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Fenris_the_blue

02-05-2005, 12:17 PM

Definately! Abe is one of my fav characters and i was a little let down that they didnt develop his character further in the 1st film. Though i do agree that he could do with toughening up a little, i did like how his gentle nature was a nice contrast to Hellboy's "kick-the-living-****-out-of-anything-thats-not-nailed-down" attitude that hes got going on.
However, despite a strong and similar response from other BPRD fans, Abes part may be downsiized again in film 2 because of the rumours that they will be introducing another freak to the Bureau, the undead spirit medium Johann Kraus, who, though undoubtedly be an interesting character, may steal the spotlight in much the same way as Myers did.

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Keyser Soze

02-10-2005, 10:10 AM

Abe Sapien was great, I'd love him to play a more central role in the story for sure. Apart from Hellboy, he's the best character.

Dr_Will

02-14-2005, 08:24 PM

more abe would be cool, and i think we all want some more freaks from the bowels of the BPRD

KingOfDreams

02-14-2005, 08:31 PM

I didn't like Myers. Throughout most of the movie, he didn't really serve much of a purpose. More Abe would be great, and the rest of the regular characters on the B.P.R.D. should show up.

monkeygust

02-16-2005, 11:55 AM

Myers may play a key role in the third film.

TheVileOne

02-17-2005, 07:17 PM

At least Johann has something interesting to bring to the table and BPRD being a disembodied spirit. Myers on the other hand isn't interesting at all.

WallCrawl

02-17-2005, 08:41 PM

Myers may play a key role in the third film.

Is it the same plans for him that were initially going to be in the sequal?

DarthPlagueis

02-18-2005, 04:47 AM

Myers may play a key role in the third film.
where did you here that?!!?!? GDT said Myers and Kroenen will get cameo's in HB2 and that Kroenen would return big time in HB3, not Myers. He just used him to introduce the audience to the HB world, his roll is over with.:xmen:

Swordmaster

02-18-2005, 06:10 PM

Why would Kroenen return.

Flexo

02-18-2005, 06:35 PM

where did you here that?!!?!? GDT said Myers and Kroenen will get cameo's in HB2 and that Kroenen would return big time in HB3, not Myers. He just used him to introduce the audience to the HB world, his roll is over with.:xmen:

GDT had a plan with Myers, put it was scrapped for Hellboy 2. You need to trust Monkeygust, I think he has some connection to Del Toro (probably thru the Hellboy movie forums.)

monkeygust

02-24-2005, 12:28 PM

Is it the same plans for him that were initially going to be in the sequal?

Yes. As far as I know.

monkeygust

02-24-2005, 12:30 PM

where did you here that?!!?!? ... He just used him to introduce the audience to the HB world, his roll is over with.:xmen:

That's not the only reason. I can't tell you the real reason Myers was hired by Broom. It would spoil it for you. GDT has asked that anyone who knows should not reveal it, as he'd like to bring it out in the films. If possible.

Kroenen will (if it works out) feature into the 3rd film. He shows up in the second one, as well.

The Democrat

02-27-2005, 02:05 AM

Thats just what Kroenen does :D

MutantGirl4ever

03-05-2005, 08:01 PM

Abe rocks period. I hated Myers he was a pansy. And Kroenen creeped me out. More Abe would rock! I'm glad Myers won't be in the second that much. More freaks would be awesome too!

Hoedowned

03-05-2005, 10:33 PM

Though i want a lot (and i mean a LOT!!!) more Abe Sapien, i've would have liked to see what Del Toro would have done with Myers after he gets used to the stuff that happens arround the BPRD. Oh well, too bad, but i'm still seeing Hellboy and Abe again, which is still friggin awsome.

Silver Lantern

03-18-2005, 07:36 AM

I hope they cast David Hyde Pierce as Abe in the sequel......yet at first I thought it was him. I thought the actor that played him first was great and Abe is my favorite one besides Hellboy.

monkeygust

03-18-2005, 05:37 PM

Everyone's confirmed to return except for Broom and Myers. It's really up to them if they want to return or not since their roles are so small. I think they will though.

guitarsingerguy

03-19-2005, 02:53 PM

My only problem with no more Meyers is that the whole first movie was about Meyers becoming Hellboy's caretaker. If Meyers is gone in the second film, doesn't that sorta make one of the plotpoints of the first null and void. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it.

monkeygust

03-19-2005, 06:47 PM

Makes it harder to make a smooth transition, to be sure, but I think it can still be done. The dialog could be added that would explain why we aren't seeing Myers.

deathshead2

03-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Kroenen was great in the first movie but I never really liked his costume after the ww2 part so if he is in the 3rd one I hope he puts his old ww2 costume on.

TheVileOne

03-21-2005, 01:52 AM

My whole problem with that is that Hellboy doesn't need a ****ing babysitter. That whole idea to me was just idiotic. That's part of why I dislike the character, including the fact that he's just a boring wimp and Rupert Evans brought NOTHING to the role at all.

Guyver X

03-23-2005, 01:28 PM

hwo strong is hell boy

Guyver X

03-23-2005, 01:29 PM

can he lift a mountain

monkeygust

03-24-2005, 11:42 PM

can he lift a mountain

not that strong.

Hellmistress

01-17-2006, 08:39 AM

There will be a LOT more Abe in the sequel, and he will see a lot of action, although he's not the kinda guy to pull out a gun and blast everything in sight - he has his own methods ... ;)

HM

AVEITWITHJAMON

01-18-2006, 07:17 AM

There will be a LOT more Abe in the sequel, and he will see a lot of action, although he's not the kinda guy to pull out a gun and blast everything in sight - he has his own methods ... ;)

HM

I thought Abe was a great character and i would love to see more of him, as well as HB and some more new characters.

One question though, is HB more powerful now because of the events at the end of the 1st movie?

Hellmistress

01-18-2006, 09:17 AM

I thought Abe was a great character and i would love to see more of him, as well as HB and some more new characters.

One question though, is HB more powerful now because of the events at the end of the 1st movie?

Hmmm ... I guess we'll have to wait for hints from GdT on that one. Although, thinking back to the comics, I don't think it will make much difference.

Personally, I would LOVE to se kate Corrigan in the film. GdT never liked her as a character until a few months ago, so who knows what he'll put in this one? HOWEVER ... there IS a new agent in this one - and I'm not speaking about Johann ...

HM

Hellmistress

01-18-2006, 09:19 AM

Oh, and no Roger. But I hope Kroenen makes it back for HB3.

AVEITWITHJAMON

01-18-2006, 09:50 AM

Sounds very intrigueig HM, any clues to the new agent?

I just thought HB might become more powerful because of Rasputins claim "you will never understand the power inside of you!"

Hellmistress

01-18-2006, 02:10 PM

Sounds very intrigueig HM, any clues to the new agent?

I just thought HB might become more powerful because of Rasputins claim "you will never understand the power inside of you!"

Nah. Guillermo is very good at giving you teasing tidbits and then leaving it at that, dern it. But he does let stuff out into the public domain on a regular basis, so as he's doing last-minute tweaking of the script at the moment you never know what he's going to come up with :D

HM

AVEITWITHJAMON

01-19-2006, 06:56 AM

Nah. Guillermo is very good at giving you teasing tidbits and then leaving it at that, dern it. But he does let stuff out into the public domain on a regular basis, so as he's doing last-minute tweaking of the script at the moment you never know what he's going to come up with :D

HM

Good, I really hope GDt is directing the sequel, he's a great director and seems a really nice guy.

Riven

02-09-2006, 09:16 AM

I hope they cast David Hyde Pierce as Abe in the sequel......yet at first I thought it was him. I thought the actor that played him first was great and Abe is my favorite one besides Hellboy.
It kinda was David Hyde Pierce. His voice at least.

I'd definitely like less John Myers. But...Abe in the first movie was a bit of an incompetent schmuck.
No he wasn't... why do you think so?

Abe was cool enough in HB1, more of him in HB2!

Hellmistress

02-09-2006, 01:39 PM

It kinda was David Hyde Pierce. His voice at least.

Abe was cool enough in HB1, more of him in HB2!

There will be a LOT more Abe in the sequel, so no fears there.

There is only one person who PLAYS Abe, and that is Doug Jones. David supplied the voice. Now, as Doug is providing the voice for Animated Abe in the new HB-Animated TV movies, who knows what will happen for HB2.

HM

TheVileOne

02-13-2006, 05:35 PM

No he wasn't... why do you think so?

He loses his protective ward when he goes underwater. And he gets the crapped kicked out of him by the Sammael creatures.

Also, in the original Hellboy story, Abe was a significant character, and his actions were crucial in the climax. Basically they wrote out Abe in the movie in favor of John Myers.

Abe was cool enough in HB1, more of him in HB2!

If he's more accurate to the comics version of him in yes, but not this Frasier stuff from the first movie.

I really don't know what they were thinking with Hyde Pierce as Abe. Abe's not a prissy intellectual type.

Hellmistress

02-13-2006, 06:37 PM

Also, in the original Hellboy story, Abe was a significant character, and his actions were crucial in the climax. Basically they wrote out Abe in the movie in favor of John Myers.

Abe didn't show up in the last part of the movie as he was supposed to, because it would have cost an extra $1 million - which they didn't have. Which is why he ended up in that tank suspended upside down, playing with a Rubik's Cube. Which just about killed Doug, by the way.

HM

TheVileOne

02-13-2006, 09:11 PM

Abe didn't show up in the last part of the movie as he was supposed to, because it would have cost an extra $1 million - which they didn't have. Which is why he ended up in that tank suspended upside down, playing with a Rubik's Cube. Which just about killed Doug, by the way.

As Abe was presented in the movie, I wouldn't have bought what he did in the climax of the original story in the movie at all. Movie Abe really isn't comic Abe. And movie Abe doesn't fight.

Hellmistress

02-13-2006, 10:08 PM

As Abe was presented in the movie, I wouldn't have bought what he did in the climax of the original story in the movie at all. Movie Abe really isn't comic Abe. And movie Abe doesn't fight.

He will fight in the sequel ... oh yeah ... he will indeed. He just does it his own way - he's not a 'let's beat the crap out of whatever it is until it stays down' sorta guy - he has his own style, which is nevertheless very stylish and deadly effective.

HM

Flexo

02-13-2006, 10:39 PM

As Abe was presented in the movie, I wouldn't have bought what he did in the climax of the original story in the movie at all. Movie Abe really isn't comic Abe. And movie Abe doesn't fight.

Yeah... remember that in Seed, Abe finished off Rasputin and rescued Liz while he was possessed. So it wasn't really Abe saving the day in the climax, just his body.

TheVileOne

02-14-2006, 01:46 AM

Yeah... remember that in Seed, Abe finished off Rasputin and rescued Liz while he was possessed. So it wasn't really Abe saving the day in the climax, just his body.
I don't think he was totally possessed. But he still had an active role in the story which he did NOT in the movie.

And as of now, it doesn't look like there's going to be a sequel any time soon.

Flexo

02-14-2006, 07:42 AM

I don't think he was totally possessed. But he still had an active role in the story which he did NOT in the movie.

And as of now, it doesn't look like there's going to be a sequel any time soon.

Are we still talking about Seed of Destruction? Abe doesn't really play a big role. He basically looks around the place and gets possessed.

And he was totally possessed. Just looked at my copy and Abe comments on how he couldn't remember anything that happened after he found the harpoon. HB even says it wasn't Abe that tossed it.

AVEITWITHJAMON

02-14-2006, 10:24 AM

Cant wait to see Abe's fighting style, i think it will be very fluid and acrobatic.

TheVileOne

02-14-2006, 05:31 PM

Are we still talking about Seed of Destruction? Abe doesn't really play a big role. He basically looks around the place and gets possessed.

And he was totally possessed. Just looked at my copy and Abe comments on how he couldn't remember anything that happened after he found the harpoon. HB even says it wasn't Abe that tossed it.

He was there investigating with Hellboy taking an active role. And he still tossed the spear that killed Rasputin, nyah :p .

Odin's Fury

02-21-2006, 12:25 PM

not to go backward too much, but I always thought Hellboy needed a caretaker in order to keep him out of the public eye. In the movie, he was still a secret weapon afterall. However, based on the events in the movie, I have a feeling he may become a public figure, which will make Myers' role unecessary. and that would be an easy way to get rid of him.

Hellmistress

02-21-2006, 02:40 PM

AVEITWITHJAMON

02-23-2006, 08:36 AM

I thought Myers was ok actually, i just would have preferred more Abe

Jolly Juggler

02-23-2006, 10:06 AM

Hellmistress

02-23-2006, 11:07 AM

I would love more Abe. Is Doug Jones still playing him?

I liked Myers, i gotta admit it. He was cool. I'm glad he'll have a Cameo, and I heard somewhere that he'll be in the beginning to show why he's leaving or something. So that'll be neat! ^_^

Although Doug isn't yet signed for HB:2, I have no doubt that he'll be back as Abe, all being well.

I'm rather fond of Myers too - and I thought Rupert did a great job with a rather thankless role, making him very human and rather gauche. I liked him a lot.

And just for the record, I think young Kevin Trainor did an awesome job of Young Broom.

HM

Jolly Juggler

02-23-2006, 11:12 AM

Although Doug isn't yet signed for HB:2, I have no doubt that he'll be back as Abe, all being well.

I'm rather fond of Myers too - and I thought Rupert did a great job with a rather thankless role, making him very human and rather gauche. I liked him a lot.

And just for the record, I think young Kevin Trainor did an awesome job of Young Broom.

HM

I swear I thought they were father and son at first. AMAZING job it was. :D

AVEITWITHJAMON

02-24-2006, 07:22 AM

I wonder will the young Broom appear in the sequel, i hope so, that guy was indeed good as him.

TheVileOne

02-25-2006, 11:36 PM

Hellboy was never a secret in the comics. There was never this idea that he couldn't be seen in public and needed a babysitter to keep him on a leash.

Now there's some good character elements in that Hellboy wants to be in public, but he can't due to his physical appearance. But the movie didn't really touch on it much.

And as I usually said, Myers was a cookie-cutter, white bread, plain jane, and obligatory character. Perfunctory doesn't even begin to describe that ridiculous character.

Deep Six

03-11-2006, 05:16 PM

Hellboy was never a secret in the comics. There was never this idea that he couldn't be seen in public and needed a babysitter to keep him on a leash.

Yeah, I think it's important they brought that element to the movie...makes it more realistic.
If HB could just walk around on the streets, in plain daylight...it be boring.
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I'm gonna get scheisse for saying this, but I think Abe was kind of a fruit in the movie..