Road to Damnation Mini - Pre Release Discussion

[FlameHead]

Need I really say more? Perhaps. Do you think we'll get a new series?

I know I'd rather see a new ongoing but, we'll probaly only get a limited series... if that. Chances are, we'll get a comic version of the movie and that's all.

I guess it all depends on how the movie does and if they plan to use a comic as a promotional tool.

[BIGGUN]

from what i understand Garth Ennis is still slated to write the new mini-series. who knows ...they maybe working on it now! its possible they want to wait to announce it officially in order to help build some hype for the film. maybe sometime in the middle or late this year i bet.
its also possible they want to tie it in somehow w/ the movie....which would be cool... :cool:

[FlameHead]

Like a prequel type thing? Yeah, that would be nice.

I'm sure they're developing something... but I wish that something woudl be an ongoing, as I've mentioned. I really don't understand why this character has not survived in the comic world. Why did it end? So very strange...

[BIGGUN]

Like a prequel type thing? Yeah, that would be nice.

I'm sure they're developing something... but I wish that something woudl be an ongoing, as I've mentioned. I really don't understand why this character has not survived in the comic world. Why did it end? So very strange...

i can say this....the different story directions that the book took, the seemingly unending crossovers, the characters that were introduced then never fully explored really killed it in the end. reader-ship had gotten so low at the end they didnt even bother printing the last issue! they had the story and from what i understand even the artwork was done....but Marvel decided they would lose more money by printing the issue so they canned it.
i think GR is one of those characters that will just have a hard time maintaining a ongoing series. people will get tired of it and then just move on...the die hard fans like us will keep reading it of course but there are not enough of us to keep it going.
i think Marvel always planned on bringing comic back once they got the movie up and going. thats where they will make $$...comics dont cut it on their own anymore. its all up to how the film does and the merchandising it will create.
from what i remember the whole point of that "Hammer-Lane" mini-series was to reintroduce readers to GR since they thought the movie was going to come out really soon by Goyer and Norrington.....and we all know how that turned out..heh

as far as it being a prequel....i dont know if it would work. from what i gathered from the story synopsis Blaze becomes GR for the 1st time in the movie when he is much older. he does make a deal w/ Mephisto ...but it was a long time ago when he was alot younger and that was to save his father i think. if anything i hope its a continuation of the movie...they can do a lot more w/ that imo.

[BIGGUN]

Yup.....after a good wait GR makes it back to Marvel w/ a 6 issue mini-series Starting in Sept. Garth Ennis will write and Clayton Crain will paint (!!) the mini-series.
from: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26096

man check out that pic!

http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/GriderElephant.jpg

dont know if its tied into the movie but it sounds like it might touch on it just a bit.:
"the storyline for the miniseries starts in Hell, with Blaze paying for selling his soul (which originally gave him his supernatural powers). In order to escape, Blaze agrees to hunt a runaway demon down on earth, and then becomes embroiled in a plot involving minions and Heaven, Hell, and everywhere in between"

thanks to RabidWolfe from vengeanceunbound.com for the heads up....

[MarvelMovies]

Woah!

Awesome news.. and picture too!

I knew that Garth Ennis was writing.. but now a painter... 6 part.. and a plot..

Might have to skim through that Wizard issue..

Excellent news (and find) Biggun!

:D

[venom892]

This is great news.art looks good and so does the plot.I'm looking forward to it.

[Invincible]

cool

[CaptainStacy]

Very encouraging!

[ThatOneGuy]

awesome

[TheBatman1979]

In the new Issue of Wizard they state that a new GR series is in the works with Garth Ennis writing and it will be fully painted. They give a pic of sample art along with the article. Is this the answer to all GR fans? Start talking.

[BIGGUN]

awesome

yup... :up:
September cant get here fast enough...heh

[FlameHead]

Isn't that artwork just baddass? Awesome!

I can't wait to see Ennis words on top of that. What a nice combo that is gonna make.

Mmm, Delicious.

[FlameHead]

I certainly would be nice to have an ongoing, but you're right, the readers just aren't there... but there could very well be after this movie. I just don't think 6 issues is enough, ya know?

As for Hammer-Lane, the series that was meant to get people hyped for the movie, it was crap. If they're gonna make a series like that, how can they expect to get people interested? Maybe we're lucky that it was crap though. If a lot of people liked it, the movie probably would have been made then... and rushed. Then, that would have sucked too. At least now, it looks like we'll have a great movie... one which will be closer to the character we know and love.

A continuation of the movie would be good, but I have a feeling they'll be telling the story from the start again. They've said that it starts with Johnny in hell making a deal with Mephisto... but that could be either the original pact that created Ghost Rider... or the pact with him to destroy Blackouts plans.

Either way, 6 issues just isn't gonna cut it. Not for this flaming headed Flamehead fan.

[Jasmine]

Looks great. Role on September. :cool:

[FlameHead]

It cant come fast enough.

[FlameHead]

I just found what seems to be Clayton Ryder Crain's website; www.heycat.com. It states that his currect project is Ghost Rider... which we know is true. The best part though, is this...

http://www.heycat.com/images/fullsize/art/GhostRider.jpg

[BIGGUN]

Awww man!
thats awesome.....
i wonder if GR's look in the film will be similar to that? we know he will have that "classic Tex look" as described by MSJ but it could till be a bit different that what was seen in the 90s series.
cant wait...

[InVictus]

Holy.
Crap.
That thing is Huge!
Massive chain, massive spikes!Really good shoulder pads!Great colors and flame texture!And it has a good skull too!
Maybe the bike is a little too big, "toyish", but all the rest is great!

[FlameHead]

I love the look of the bike actually. The bigger upper wheel is so nice lookin.

I really love how Clayton's fire design looks. It's almost more like Lava than flame, which is totally fantastic. I really can't wait for this series to start. At least that'll tide me over until the movie comes out... maybe.

Btw, My roommate has the copy of Wizard that has the article in the first post of this thread. I may try and find the entire article for you guys or type it all out. There isn't much more than was already mentioned. The pic is bigger than the one originally posted though. I'll try and get a pic of that as well. It's not much of a difference, but it's something.

[BIGGUN]

Vengeance Unbound finally came back online...w/ 2 promotional pics for the new comic in Sept!
go here to see bigger versions: http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/images/thumbnails/tn_crane_gr04.jpg

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/images/thumbnails/tn_crane_gr03.jpg

that top pic looks like he is holding a mace...very interesting. wonder if hes gonna use a wide variety of ancient weapons besides the chain?

[MarvelMovies]

Woo Hoo!

Vengeance Unbound is back online..

IGR is currently down, because of bandwidth.. but it'll be back soon, I assure you.

Awesome find FlameHead.. that picture is kick butt!!

This is like a hidden thread!

:D

[FlameHead]

Biggun found the pics MM...

Awesome news that VU is back online. Crappy news that IGR is offline... even crappier news is that the Giant Sized Ghost Rider page is subsequently also offline.

Those pics are indeed kickarse!!

[InVictus]

Very good skull, amazing flame effects, but what actually really intrigues me is GR stance on the bike! That zombie/animated thing look fits very well with the charactrer, imho. Although that mace bothers me a little, the red sparks/lightnings are surely promising...:ghost:

[Riding Ghost]

Very good skull, amazing flame effects, but what actually really intrigues me is GR stance on the bike! That zombie/animated thing look fits very well with the charactrer, imho. Although that mace bothers me a little, the red sparks/lightnings are surely promising...:ghost:

The mace bothers me also and I'm not sold on the bike either.
Really, I'm not thrilled by what I've seen. I don't hate it, but not thrilled either. I guess I'm skeptical, I'll just have to wait and see.

[MarvelMovies]

Biggun found the pics MM...

Awesome news that VU is back online. Crappy news that IGR is offline... even crappier news is that the Giant Sized Ghost Rider page is subsequently also offline.

Those pics are indeed kickarse!!

Yup..

Like killing 2 birds with one stone..

I was hoping it would return sometime today.. but no such luck..

Just hoping that the bandwidth isn't out for the rest of the month..

:eek:

At around the time of the Star Wars trailer, it did this as well.. but only lasted a day.. so keeping my fingers crossed..

I updated the page whenever it gets back online..

Oh yeah..

I e-mailed Clayton Crain just to say congratulations and welcome to the world of Ghost Rider.. and I hope that the series is awesome..

He replied saying Thank you..

:)

Cool guy.

[FlameHead]

Damn. I emailed him a while ago too and he never replied. Perhaps it was lost in his junk mail folder.

Yeah, I have a pretty big update for the GSGRR site as well. The bonus of it being down was that I worked on an update for longer than I normally would.

[Hunter Rider]

My place in the GR alumni must be under threast ,how the hell have i missed this thread:(

The art and plot sound awesome ,i just hope i can get hold of it but im thinking i'll have to wait for TPB's

[MarvelMovies]

Damn. I emailed him a while ago too and he never replied. Perhaps it was lost in his junk mail folder.

Yeah, I have a pretty big update for the GSGRR site as well. The bonus of it being down was that I worked on an update for longer than I normally would.

Very true..

I did the normal updates, although... seeing as how it's still down and tomorrow is a day full of computer sitting..

There will be some things to show..

:D

[FlameHead]

I hope it's not down for the remainder of the month. That would really suck for both of us and the rest of the Ghost Rider community.

A least people are visiting. That's a good thing.

My place in the GR alumni must be under threast ,how the hell have i missed this thread:(

The art and plot sound awesome ,i just hope i can get hold of it but im thinking i'll have to wait for TPB's

No worries HR, you're still an ultimate fan. Good luck w/ finding the comics as they come out and not having to wait.

[Hunter Rider]

thanks flame hopefully i can get hold of it

I made this avvy with the new art

http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/th_GRMini.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/?action=view&current=GRMini.gif)

[MarvelMovies]

Awesome HR..

I think an Avatar section needs to be up when the site does get back up..

:D

[FlameHead]

Awesome work on that avvy HR! Good idea to use the new images too.

BTW, what program do you use for making your avatars?

[Hunter Rider]

Awesome work on that avvy HR! Good idea to use the new images too.

BTW, what program do you use for making your avatars?

i use Unlead Gif animator 5,you can use that avvy if you want but i understand if you want to keep with your classic

[FlameHead]

Found this little tidbit of info.

The upcoming Ghost Rider Marvel Knights mini-series by Garth Ennis and Clayton Crane will feature all digital art. Quesada compared it to Ennis' work on Preacher.

Found it here: http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/printthread.php?t=32776

All digital art eh?

[crystal_flame6]

Hopefully I will be able to find them also, if you guys don't by the stores out;)

[FlameHead]

LoL. That's a strong possibilty.

[crystal_flame6]

Well, leave at least one in there for me and don't mess with the transportation trucks that haul them to the stores. I don't care if you take the stand they were on though.

[FlameHead]

If there's a sticker or any referance at all to Ghost Rider on the Stand... It's mine!

[crystal_flame6]

If the movie goes as others before it, you can expect more than comics. Though someone needs to warn Marvel to haul the merchandise in armored trucks.

[crystal_flame6]

Does anyone have a clue as to what the storyline is going to be?

[Riding Ghost]

If there's a sticker or any referance at all to Ghost Rider on the Stand... It's mine!

LOL

[crystal_flame6]

Just don't mess with the delivery trucks and let others and me have a shot at getting some of the merchandise.
I hope that Marvel re-issues some of the comics in a line of graphic novels from both lines, Johnny Blaze and Dan Ketch.

[DarkHellRider]

thanks flame hopefully i can get hold of it

I made this avvy with the new art

http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/th_GRMini.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/?action=view&current=GRMini.gif)


i have been waiting for a new ghost rider comic to buy. Also hey could you save this for me till i get 3 hunred post i need it cause im playing host rider in the marvel rpg and this would be awesome

[crystal_flame6]

Hopefully the movie will spur Marvel into re-releasing the old GR comics, both Johnny/GR and Dan/GR would be nice. They could also release them in the Graphic novels like what they did with the punisher series. So if any of the "officials" read this, Please do a Dan/GR graphic novel and a Johnny/GR graphic novel for those of us unfortunate to have missed them when they first came out.

[DarkHellRider]

oh most definatlly

[crystal_flame6]

We just need to find out how serious a possibilty this is or if Marvel has even though about it.

[FlameHead]

There's no doubt in my mind that they'll be releasing some TPB's or Graphic Novels in the very near future. This is Marvel we're talking about here; you know they'll try and make as much money as possible on this... and we thank them for it. Well, those of us who aren't almost completed their collection of original prints.

I'm surprised we haven't hear any new news on this in a while.

[John Constantine]

Is this a good start regarding Ghost Rider TPBs? ;) :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785118381/qid=1116797989/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-5433053-5400637?v=glance&s=books

[Hunter Rider]

Is this a good start regarding Ghost Rider TPBs? ;) :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785118381/qid=1116797989/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-5433053-5400637?v=glance&s=books

awesome:eek: :up: the first time ive seen you outside the wrestling thread and you bring great news:D

[John Constantine]

Oh, I post outside the wrestling thread(s) at times, it's just I do it rather steathily ;)

To be honest though, I think the Essential book might be the extent of TPBs released to coincide with the movie. They might also have a movie TPB that contains a couple of GR issues, but that might be about it....:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh, I post outside the wrestling thread(s) at times, it's just I do it rather steathily ;)

To be honest though, I think the Essential book might be the extent of TPBs released to coincide with the movie. They might also have a movie TPB that contains a couple of GR issues, but that might be about it....:confused:

will it be in colour or B&W like the other essentials ?

[John Constantine]

I'm guessing black and white. But sometimes, the stories read better without any color.

Plus, it's like 20 plus issues for less than 20 bucks US. I mean, that's a great ****ing deal :up:

[BIGGUN]

excellent find John C!
looks like Marvel is indeed starting the GR publicity push in 2005...makes sense too.
i hope they reprint some of the issues from the middle and end of the series....they were the best GR stories.

[FlameHead]

It's totally awesome that they've started the Ghost Rider promotional push. The more Ghost Rider things there are out there, the better.

I'm not a huge fan of those Essentials though... mainly because of the Black and White-ness of them. Plus, I'd rather have the single issue comics as my collection than the trades and such... but that's just me of course.

In other news, I'm not sure if anyone noticed this but on the VU website (http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html) there is news about the new Ghost Rider series. Not much, but it does say that there will be posters available for the new Ghost Rider Mini. Pretty cool stuff.

[Hollywood Ghost]

I started a thread asking if garth ennis had already done a ghost rider book and that was before this news was posted. I am absolutely sure i saw a ghost rider trade at a comic store a few months back and it was written by garth ennis. Anyway, if it wasnt written by garth ennis then it was written by somebody else, the point is i saw a brand spanking new ghost rider trade... it was him on the cover, looked like a paitning. Anyone know what i am talking about?

[FlameHead]

Nope. I know of no knew Trades. The only trades I do know of right now are
GHOST RIDER RESURRECTED TRADE PAPERBACK and THE HAMMER LANE TRADE.

They are releasing an Essentials Ghost Rider very soon though. Is that what you're talking about?

[FlameHead]

Wow! Did you people see this??

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/images/thumbnails/tn_crane_grpage1.jpg
http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/images/thumbnails/tn_crane_grpage2.jpg

First posted on http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html. Check it out.

I'd like to find some bigger versions... but they look pretty awesome! Thanks VU

[Hunter Rider]

cool find flame,looks awesome ,i enlarged them

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/9144/13jv.gif

http://img213.echo.cx/img213/6227/26gr.gif

[FlameHead]

Nice job! Thanks. They look really awesome... though I do wonder if all the pages will have a big layout like that. Seems like they are using a lot of room for each panel thus not having a lot of space for story.

I really dig the artwork though. I can only imagine what Ennis' words are gonna do to it.

[BIGGUN]

man...that looks cool!
great find FH...and Hunter for the blow up! heh

[MarvelMovies]

thanks flame hopefully i can get hold of it

I made this avvy with the new art

http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/th_GRMini.gif (http://photobucket.com/albums/v112/collateralxxx/?action=view&current=GRMini.gif)

Pretty cool..

:D

*I don't think I can leave the microwave behind.. but certainly makes me think about it*

[MarvelMovies]

Also, about those new preview pages..

www.ComicsContinuum.com posted enlarged versions.. in better quality.. so I also put those on IGR too.. but CC is a great place that I find myself at everyday..

[FlameHead]

Pretty cool..

:D

*I don't think I can leave the microwave behind.. but certainly makes me think about it*

Yeah, it's hard givin' up an avvy... especially one as hilarious as yours. Having said that, you're right, that new one is pretty darn cool.

I still have to send some pics off to HR to make me a new avvy. I just cant narrow it down to a certain number of pics.

[ScottishFogg]

i love the angels' look and design! can't wait to read this . . .

[FlameHead]

Me either. The look, so far, is pretty neat. Very crisp. I can't wait to read what words are gonna go with it.

[FlameHead]

New information has been released about the series, including the following synopsis. This info was found on the great and wonderful GR site Vengeance Unbound; http://www.vengeanceunbound.com. Go there for more!

UPCOMING: SEPTEMBER 2005
GHOST RIDER # 1 (of 6)
Written by Garth Ennis
Pencils & Cover by Clayton Crain

"ROAD TO DAMNATION"
The eagerly anticipated series begins here with stunning art and a story that only Garth Ennis could tell. He's paying the price for his deal with the Devil-- is the Ghost Rider condemned to ride the highways of Hell for all eternity? His saving grace could be in the form of an unlikely ally-- an industrious angel with a deal that would free Ghost Rider once and for all! Miss this series at the risk of your very soul!
32 pages :: Parental Advisory :: $2.99

[crystal_flame6]

They better get them near where I live or else......
I prepare to be broke.
UPCOMING: SEPTEMBER 2005
ESSENTIAL GHOST RIDER VOL. 1 TPBCollecting MARVEL SPOTLIGHT #5-12, GHOST RIDER #1-20 and DAREDEVIL #138.
560 pages :: $16.99
UPCOMING: SEPTEMBER 2005
GHOST RIDER # 1 (of 6) $2.99

[FlameHead]

Just noticed that Vengeance Unbound posted a couple more preview pages of the upcomming mini.

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html

I'm curious...

... blowing fire?... and Chains??

[BIGGUN]

Just noticed that Vengeance Unbound posted a couple more preview pages of the upcomming mini.

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html

I'm curious...

... blowing fire?... and Chains??


WTF?! is an understatement!
art is fantastic....but the whole blowing fire and chains out of the mouth is just....weird.

[MarvelMovies]

I saw those preview pages on VU before.. but now, it's down!

Dang...

I really want to look at them again, since I didn't have much time before!

The art was unbelievable though...

I was talking on AIM and I instantly changed the conversation.. and was like "HOLY GOSH!"

Clayton Crain and Garth Ennis look to be making a winner!

[FlameHead]

A winner maybe but I don't know how I feel about those chains coming out of his mouth. The fire is kinda cool but CHAINS? What the heck is that?

[Fettstyl]

I just picked up the Marvel Premier issue that the pics are in. The artwork looks great, but the chains out of the mouth was.....well, wierd is a good way to describe it. I think whenever they start a new series(or movie for that matter) with GR they just tell the writer "hell, do whatever you want, don't worry about previous continuity or established facts, just make a interesting read (or viewing)." No respect at all for GR. They'll never start having the human torch shoot his fire out of his mouth or ass or whatever, but GR no problem. Speaking of human torch, I'll be going to see the movie next week, even though I know I'm gonna be pissed seeing all the cool stuff with fire they're going to let human torch do and knowing when GR comes out Hes gonna have a ****ing shotgun.:mad:

[Riding Ghost]

A winner maybe but I don't know how I feel about those chains coming out of his mouth. The fire is kinda cool but CHAINS? What the heck is that?

Yeah, I thought the same thing, I thought it was kinda cool he rode up beside the guy and spit fire on him, I guess Ghost rider can use hellfire anyway he wishes. But the chains being spit out, thats bizzare.

And I agree with you Fettstyl, but I'm holding out hope that when MSJ said "all of that" in response to a question about which powers Ghost Rider would use, that he meant it. If the shotgun is a brief indulgence, and everything else is there, it should be fine.

[Fettstyl]

And I agree with you Fettstyl, but I'm holding out hope that when MSJ said "all of that" in response to a question about which powers Ghost Rider would use, that he meant it. If the shotgun is a brief indulgence, and everything else is there, it should be fine.

How the tables have turned. I remember a couple month ago I was trying to chill you out a little on the shotgun. Now I'm the one goin nuts about it. I think it was hearing more of the rumors and actually seeing it on the ET that have really given me a worse and worse feeling about it. I'm tellin you the shotgun is draining my hype man!

[Riding Ghost]

How the tables have turned. I remember a couple month ago I was trying to chill you out a little on the shotgun. Now I'm the one goin nuts about it. I think it was hearing more of the rumors and actually seeing it on the ET that have really given me a worse and worse feeling about it. I'm tellin you the shotgun is draining my hype man!

By no means am I happy about the shot gun, Its just that I'm remaining optomistic because there are increasing evidence that it is not going to be a big part of the movie. Try to relax, unless we get more distressing info.

[MarvelMovies]

What's wrong with the shotgun now?

It looks pretty much like a regular shotgun on the back of Nic Cage in the Entertainment Tonight footage.

About it morphing into a hell-shotgun which can shoot Hellfire, I think it's a pretty awesome idea.. but maybe that's just me.

As Riding Ghost said..

I guess Ghost rider can use hellfire anyway he wishes

Really, how many times in a movie can you have a guy whip through another's face with a chain or completely drain him with the Penance Stare, or take his butt out using a Hellcycle. A billion, but that's not the point.. it just gives Ghost Rider 1 more weapon to use.. which maximizes his arsenal.

Anything he touches seems to be affected by Hellfire, so the shotgun is no different... and I heard it looks somewhat like the Hellcycle style, so it will look none the less.

[MarvelMovies]

I just picked up the Marvel Premier issue that the pics are in. The artwork looks great, but the chains out of the mouth was.....well, wierd is a good way to describe it. I think whenever they start a new series(or movie for that matter) with GR they just tell the writer "hell, do whatever you want, don't worry about previous continuity or established facts, just make a interesting read (or viewing)." No respect at all for GR. They'll never start having the human torch shoot his fire out of his mouth or ass or whatever, but GR no problem. Speaking of human torch, I'll be going to see the movie next week, even though I know I'm gonna be pissed seeing all the cool stuff with fire they're going to let human torch do and knowing when GR comes out Hes gonna have a ****ing shotgun.:mad:

I'm not sure if I completely understand this...

But, Human Torch is just a guy on fire, who can also manipulate fire so he's able to shoot it, or rather.. throw it.

When you say "All the cool stuff they're going to let Human Torch do," it's a little confusing, since all he does is fly around on fire.. and once in a while do a Mario Brothers and throw a fireball.

I've been following Fantastic Four to make www.Fantastic411.com and Ghost Rider with www.IGR.notlong.com .... and I don't think they're underusing Ghost Rider's powers at all.

I'm not sure what your deal is with the shotgun either, but I already talked about that in my last post.. so going to skip that.

I have to ask though, what powers and things are you looking Ghost Rider to do? Also, it amazes me that you know that Ghost Rider is already doing nothing while Human Torch is having all the fun, when we haven't even seen 1 second of movie footage... and with the shotgun, all we saw was it plastered to his back.

Not sure what really what you're saying when you say that they're not utilizing Ghost Rider to his maximum.

[MarvelMovies]

Try to relax, unless we get more distressing info.

More distressing info?

Where was the first bit of distressing info... unless this is still Shotgun talk.. in which cause I have to bring up..

Why are we talking about this in the Comic forum?

[Riding Ghost]

Well, I'll go ahead and answer your valid questions about this exchange since I saw in another thread that Fettstyl is rather pissed about the shotgun and news that the soundtrack may be more southern rock than metal(which I agree doesn't sound too hot to me either), I don't expect to see him for a while.
We got breifly sidetracked on the shotgun due to the correlation Fettstyl drew between them changing the powers in the upcoming mini, i.e. spitting chains and fire out of his mouth and them changing/adding a shotgun to GRs arsenal in the movie.
Changing OR Adding the shotgun I believe is the issue here for Fettstyl and really for myself as well. What I mean is, are they going to change GRs power from shooting hellfire from his hands to shooting hellfire from a shotgun OR are they in fact simply adding another weapon to his arsenal. If they are adding the shotgun and GR shoots hellfire from his hands sometimes and from a shotgun others, that although not good IMO, is acceptable. However if they are doing away completely with hellfire blasts from GRs hands and replacing that with the shotgun that is where the problem really is. I think I got that right-Fettstyl feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- I know thats my problem with it.
See I'm a big fan of the Original/Blaze GR and have always(25yrs) looked forward to a GR movie and for them to finally do a movie about what is supposed to be the Blaze version and not include at least 1 hellfire blast from the hands and in fact replace that with a shotgun, is a real pisser because as has been said in other threads that is most of what the Blaze GR did and anybody who was a big fan of the BlazeGR would inherantly have to like that and want to see that in the movie because it was a HUGE part of what BlazeGR did.
BTW, awesome job on your site. It keeps getting better and better :up: most definately the best site on the web IMHO.

[Crowley9]

The chain-spitting was weird and unnecessary. Why couldn't GR have the exact same result by swinging the chain in his hand and having it extend forward? And what's been revealed about the storyline has several things which sound uncomfortably close to Ennis' earlier writing in Preacher. Hopefully he'll manage to keep it original and interesting.

[Sauron]

sounds cool. Can't wait.

[MarvelMovies]

Well, I'll go ahead and answer your valid questions about this exchange since I saw in another thread that Fettstyl is rather pissed about the shotgun and news that the soundtrack may be more southern rock than metal(which I agree doesn't sound too hot to me either), I don't expect to see him for a while.

Thanks for the quick response...

We got breifly sidetracked on the shotgun due to the correlation Fettstyl drew between them changing the powers in the upcoming mini, i.e. spitting chains and fire out of his mouth and them changing/adding a shotgun to GRs arsenal in the movie.

Ok, that makes sense then...

Neither new "power" really bothers me, but I can see why they bother many...

Changing OR Adding the shotgun I believe is the issue here for Fettstyl and really for myself as well. What I mean is, are they going to change GRs power from shooting hellfire from his hands to shooting hellfire from a shotgun OR are they in fact simply adding another weapon to his arsenal. If they are adding the shotgun and GR shoots hellfire from his hands sometimes and from a shotgun others, that although not good IMO, is acceptable. However if they are doing away completely with hellfire blasts from GRs hands and replacing that with the shotgun that is where the problem really is. I think I got that right-Fettstyl feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- I know thats my problem with it.

I don't think the Shotgun will replace the Hellfire from his hands, just simply be another weapon for him to use. I think the Shotgun will be more like Hellfire bullets in a way, instead of a ball of fire being launched.

That said, I'm kind of interested in the idea of a Shotgun and would like to see how MSJ does this. I think I'd rather see a slightly improved translation of the comics in order to modernize the character sometimes. For instance, in Spider-Man, though many people were not fans of them... I thought Sam Raimi's idea of using Organic Webshooters was beyond brilliant. Although not a power in the comics, I always thought it was tedious that Spider-Man would run out of webbing at the worst times, such as fighting a middle while swining through the air with hundreds of explosions. Explaining the webshooters as a power helped the movie out I think, and was a good change... IMO, though not in all opinions.

I think the Shotgun might be something like this, but I guess only time will tell.

See I'm a big fan of the Original/Blaze GR and have always(25yrs) looked forward to a GR movie and for them to finally do a movie about what is supposed to be the Blaze version and not include at least 1 hellfire blast from the hands and in fact replace that with a shotgun, is a real pisser because as has been said in other threads that is most of what the Blaze GR did and anybody who was a big fan of the BlazeGR would inherantly have to like that and want to see that in the movie because it was a HUGE part of what BlazeGR did.

Yeah, I can see your point... I'd rather see a faithful comic adaption too, although 25 years is quite the stretch.. hehe...

BTW, awesome job on your site. It keeps getting better and better :up: most definately the best site on the web IMHO.

Hahah.. Thank you very much!

Without these boards, it would probably be the worst site on the internet.. :D ...

[jayr727]

wow this mini looks HOT! [cause with the flames and everything]

hope this is a better turn out than the marvel knights mini a few years back.
i wasn't very fond of it . . .

[FlameHead]

Just Found this on http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103705.html

It says that you can buy the first issue of Ghost rider V4 with Garth's Signature on it. Check it out.

[Riding Ghost]

I'm glad you see my point


I don't think the Shotgun will replace the Hellfire from his hands, just simply be another weapon for him to use.

I hope your right.

Although not a power in the comics, I always thought it was tedious that Spider-Man would run out of webbing at the worst times, such as fighting a middle while swining through the air with hundreds of explosions. Explaining the webshooters as a power helped the movie out I think, and was a good change... IMO, though not in all opinions.

I don't have a problem with organic web power either, but they also were shown to run out in SM2.

[FlameHead]

Hmmm... I just visited the http://www.comicbookresources.com/ site and seen an add on the top for Ghost Rider # 1 of the new series. It seems that this site http://www.dcbservice.com/ is selling the comic for a low low price... however, I cannot seem to find where to buy it on that site.

This is on the top of the page though....
http://www.dcbservice.com/images/homepage/July2005.jpg

[MarvelMovies]

Just Found this on http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103705.html

It says that you can buy the first issue of Ghost rider V4 with Garth's Signature on it. Check it out.

Dang, I need $20 quick!

[MarvelMovies]

I don't have a problem with organic web power either, but they also were shown to run out in SM2.

True, but in a different way.

Which, in the end, worked for the best... in my head anyways.

[MarvelMovies]

FlameHead...

http://www.dcbservice.com/

If you search "Ghost Rider," you'll be able to find the comic for 75 cents!!

Wow, def a low price.

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.dcbservice.com/_flash/homepage/DCBS_home_July2005.swf

AWESOME!

[BIGGUN]

http://www.dcbservice.com/_flash/homepage/DCBS_home_July2005.swf

AWESOME!


verrryyy nice find there MarvelM... :up:
cant wait to read it!
btw...http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html recently posted some mo' images from the comic.

[FlameHead]

I was just lookin' at those... marvelling at those actually. VERRY nice...

And that teaser thingie for series is freakin' awesome!! Is there any way to save that? Man... so nice.

[Hunter Rider]

verrryyy nice find there MarvelM... :up:
cant wait to read it!
btw...http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/main.html recently posted some mo' images from the comic.

The art is stunning,i can't wait to get the TPB

[MarvelMovies]

I was just lookin' at those... marvelling at those actually. VERRY nice...

And that teaser thingie for series is freakin' awesome!! Is there any way to save that? Man... so nice.

This?

http://www.dcbservice.com/_flash/homepage/DCBS_home_July2005.swf

*Right Click, Save Target As*

[FlameHead]

Awesome! Thanks MM. Great addition to my Ghost Rider collection.

[FlameHead]

VU has some new information on what's coming in October. This includes the 2nd issue of this series. Check it out. http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/upcoming.html

[BIGGUN]

Cool!
thanks for the tip FH...i also noticed this:

UPCOMING: OCTOBER 2005
GHOST RIDER # 1 DIRECTOR'S CUT
Written by Garth Ennis
Pencils & Cover by Clayton Crain

This all-new expanded edition reprints GHOST RIDER #1, plus a hefty helping of high-octane DVD-style extras - including Garth Ennis's original series proposal; published and unpublished cover sketches by Clayton Crain; and a soup-to-nuts behind-the-scenes featurette detailing the progression from script to thumbnail to final art.
48 pages :: Parental Advisory :: $3.99

now why couldnt they have had those extras on the original 1st issue? Lame marketing attempt by Marvel if you ask me. seems they are trying to go the same route many companies are doing w/ their dvd releases :down :mad:

but anyway...this caught my eye...."Parental Advisory"....heh.
i think this is the very first time a GR comic is being released w/ that warning. very nice :up:

[crystal_flame6]

How many of the original comics do you think they will reprint?

[FlameHead]

I don't think a reprint of this comic is necessary... but they know all of us freako's are gonna buy it.

I hope they don't reprint the entire series again. I wanna see some new stuff.

[FlameHead]

Just a little tidbit from MSJ's update in this thread; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188064

-- Will the movie have any of the same elements of the upcomming Ghost Rider comic. Like is Matt Long's story much like what happens in Garth Ennis's storyline or are they completly seperate things?

I haven't read Garth's storyline, but I do understand that we both thought up the same idea -- that the Ghost Rider is a bounty hunter from Hell!

[FlameHead]

Anybody know when exactly this one is coming out? Which week of September?

[Riding Ghost]

MSJ " but I do understand that we both thought up the same idea -- that the Ghost Rider is a bounty hunter from Hell!"

So it was not a carefully planned coordination between comic and movie.....but a coincidence....Amazing luck....one might even say unbelievable.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, it's pretty neat that they both have the same kinda concept... though it's a little disappointing that they're not related more than that. It may confuse some people...

I just found out from this thread; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193376

... that the comic comes out in the first week of September; (On-Sale 9/7/05). Yee-haw!!

[BrollySupersj]

When was the last time Ghost Rider even has his own comic series??

[BURNFOREVER]

When was the last time Ghost Rider even has his own comic series??

Hey, man.
The last time GR has an ongoing series was in 1998. On february that year the title was cancelled, in the 93th issue.
A sad day to us all, hardcore GR fans.
But it was not the worse part, no sir.
The series ended without an end. The final issue of the last saga, "The last temptation", who explains the origin of the Spirit of Vengeance, would happens in # 94, unpublished, on a very sadistic move of Marvel comics.
Absolutely no respect for the fans.
He returns in 2000-2001, on the "Hammer Lane", a six-issue mini-series.
Very bad stuff, believe me.
And as it seems, the triumphant return will happens in september 2005, by Garth Ennis and Clayton Crain, once again, 6-part mini-series.
Of couse we all want a ongoing series, but it´s a start.
Well, i hope it help you.
Take care.

[FlameHead]

By the way, if you interested, you can read the unpublished script for Ghost Rider #94 and see a image of what the cover would have been here;

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/news07.html

I'm still so pissed that they never even bothered to print it. So freakin' sad.

[FlameHead]

Marvel released their info for November, including this piece of cover art for the 3rd issue in the series.

http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/images/GRv403clean.jpg

Info was found here: http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/upcoming.html

[BIGGUN]

pretty trippy lookin there...
i assume that in the comics the demons will look mostly human so it can be somewhat similar w/ the demons in the movie. cant wait for the book now.....just a few more weeks though.

[FlameHead]

I'm not sure if they had the movie in mind at all when developing this comic, from reading MSJ's comments. It's interesting that it's happened that way though.

A few short weeks indeed. I can barely wait...

[Gamma Warrior]

I cant wait for the new GR series.We have not had good Gr issues since the beginning of ketch's run.

[FlameHead]

I hear that. I think all of us here are foamin' at the mouth for the first week of September.

[Arach Knight]

I never really followed Ghost Rider or liked the character much. I picked up a copy of Ultimate Spider-Man Annual at my local comic shop, and I received a copy of Comic Shop News. After reading the interview with Clayton Crain, I must say that I becamse a bit more interested in the title (maybe because my birthday is in September, and i'll be able to afford the book). Anyways, I find there is more fun in jumping into a book from its begining, than later on when you have a lot of ground to cover. I know the Ghost Rider is a pretty old character. For the longest time, I didn't even know that Dan Ketch had died, leaving John Blaze to return to being the only Ghost Rider. Basically, i'm just trying to find out if i'm going to have to study up on the character, or if thie new Ennis/Crain run is going to be an all new take on an old character. Even if it is going to be backstory heavy, i'll probably pick the book up, just because I like the idea of collecting a six issue run. Comic values have jumped up lately. House of M #1's Quesada variant cover is worth $30. New Avengers #2 is worth $80. How much could a Ghost Rider mini series be worth down the road? I think that is a nice feeling...to own something of worth, because of its mark on history.

[Uncanny Orb]

I don't think it's a restart, it seems to me that John Blaze has finally run out of time and his soul was collected by Mephisto to remain in hell for all time. so I guess it's more of a continuation. The previous GR was not Zarathos which is the demon that posesses Blaze, I hope they do touch on just how Mephisto did finally get Blaze though.

[Arach Knight]

Thank you for the information.

[FlameHead]

There's an article about this very question that I found yesterday. Had to sign up to the site to get it but here it is...

Breathing new life into 'Ghost Rider'

By ANDREW A. SMITH
August 29, 2005

With "Ghost Rider" blazing onto screens in 2006 (as played by Nicolas Cage), it was inevitable that Marvel Comics would revive this long-defunct character. The only question remaining is: Which one?

Originally, Ghost Rider was a Western character, a lawman named Rex Fury who pretended to be a ghost with the help of glow-in-the-dark phosphorescence. His costume glowed, his horse glowed and he often went about, ironically, exposing crooks who were also pretending to be supernatural (although he did meet a vampire or two).

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He first appeared as a character named The Calico Kid in the back pages of "Tim Holt" No. 5 (March 1949) by Magazine Enterprises, which starred the movie star of the same name. In issue No. 11, however, editor Vin Sullivan (Superman's first editor), writer Ray Krank and artist Dick Ayers abruptly revamped the character as the pseudo-spook, who was a lot more popular than The Calico Kid, and received his own title. But the Comics Code of 1954 put a damper on spooky characters, and "Ghost Rider" was canceled with its 14th issue. GR began appearing less and less, finally disappearing altogether - along with Magazine Enterprises - in 1955.

Until Marvel Comics lifted the character almost wholesale for a short-lived series in 1967. This very familiar Ghost Rider was still drawn by Ayers, but was now secretly schoolteacher Carter Slade. Unfortunately, the Rider's second go-round only lasted seven issues. A brief revival in 1970's "Western Gunfighters" followed (albeit with federal Marshal Lincoln Slade, Carter's brother, as the new civilian identity), before this character slipped into a series of reprints (for various reasons renamed "Night Rider" and then "Phantom Rider"). There is still a glow-in-the-dark Phantom Rider active in the modern West in Marvel Comics (who is a real ghost), but his appearances are infrequent.

Which brings us to the best-known version of the character.

In 1972's "Marvel Spotlight" No. 5, Marvel re-imagined the character as Johnny Blaze, a modern-day motorcycle stunt rider for a circus. Blaze made a deal with the devil to save the life of his employer (and his girlfriend's father) - and you know how those deals usually go. Cursed to host the demon Zarathos, Blaze would periodically turn into a phantom biker who appeared to be, for all intents and purposes, a blazing skeleton in cycle leathers.

The story wasn't much, but the visual was striking, and GR had a hot run for a few years. He eventually faded, but the flaming-biker look was just too cool to abandon. Marvel re-launched the character in his own title in 1990, although this time the secret identity was high-school student Danny Ketch.

Ketch was later revealed to be Blaze's long-lost brother, but even the re-introduction of the original stunt rider didn't save the series. Once again, that hot visual gave the character brief sales success, followed by oblivion.

Which brings us to September's "Ghost Rider" No. 1 (of 6, $2.99). Written by superstar Garth Ennis and drawn by Clayton Crain, it would be fair to wonder whether this blazing biker will star Rex Fury, Carter Slade, Lincoln Slade, Johnny Blaze or Danny Ketch.

Which actually isn't that much of a mystery. Although Marvel hasn't mentioned a civilian ID for the new book, Sony's movie and a new GR videogame by Climax Entertainment (both due next year) star Johnny Blaze. Plus, Marvel is releasing Blaze's first 29 adventures in "Essential Ghost Rider" Vol. 1 ($16.99) this month. As the most popular of the various Ghost Riders, and as Ketch and both Slades are dead, Blaze is where to place your bet.

Elsewhere in September:

- DC Comics revived Hal Jordan as their flagship Green Lantern a few months ago, which meant his organization couldn't be far behind. Ergo, "Green Lantern Corps: Recharge" No. 1 (of 6, $3.50).

- Comics legend Jack Kirby was renowned for a lot of major titles, but one secret pleasure was his relatively obscure "Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth" for DC in the '70s. Kamandi was a survivor of a great cataclysm (he was named for his bunker, Command D), and when he emerged he was faced with a "Planet of the Apes" scenario, where all animals were sentient and quite chatty. If that sounds like fun, check out "Kamandi Archives" Vol. 1 ($49.99).

- DC's "A History of Violence" will soon be a movie (starring Viggo Mortensen), so naturally it's being re-released ($9.99).

(Contact Andrew Smith of the Memphis Commercial Appeal at capncomics(at)aol.com or visit www.captaincomics.us/forums.)

Source: http://www.kitsapsun.com

[BIGGUN]

nice find FH!
very nice article i thought....funny how he didnt mention "Hammer Lane". i guess everyone really does want to forget that series ever happened :D

[FlameHead]

I know I do.

Yeah, I liked the article too. Nice read and it shows that many are becommin' interested once again in this awesome character.

[Mr Nick]

Nice little potted history there. Ta, Flamehead.

I've heard you bashing this Hammer Lane thing before. Is it like the Star Wars Holiday Special of Ghost Rider or something?

:confused:

[Arach Knight]

So then, the story takes place in current continuity and just picks up where Johnny Blaze left off?

[FlameHead]

Nice little potted history there. Ta, Flamehead.

I've heard you bashing this Hammer Lane thing before. Is it like the Star Wars Holiday Special of Ghost Rider or something?

:confused:

Worse. It's not even worth talkin' about actually. It hurts my head to even think about it. There is a thread on the topic though, in you're interested... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147208

[NDX]

At least the artwork in Hammer Lane was good. At least I think so.

Just one question, when and how the hell did Ketch die?

Mini's first issue and Essential GR Vol. 1. Looks like I have a few things to pick up this month.

[Arach Knight]

Does anybody have the release date for the first issue? I called my local comic shop, but they said that the publisher hasn't provided them with a specific release date.

[Mr Nick]

The Marvel Ghost Rider wallpaper says September 7th.

Dear Lord, don't tell me it's slipped!!

:eek:

[Arach Knight]

That's cool. Three days before my birthday. I guess i'll scoop it up then. Thanks.

[Dan Ketch]

Just one question, when and how the hell did Ketch die?


For real, when did this happen?

[Arach Knight]

Well I just picked up book 1 today. So hopefully I can get around to reading it sometime this weekend. Perhaps the story will tell a little something about what happened to Dan Ketch, and why the story focuses on Blaze and not Ketch.

[FlameHead]

Don't expect to ever read anything about Ketch again... Especially in this book. Ennis has stated that he never heard of Ketch before and does not know the 90's series.

[Arach Knight]

That is too bad. I thought he had a much better outfit, bike and gimmick going on than Blaze.

[FlameHead]

I personally like Dan way more as well. It's more than likely because that's the first GR I fell for but I still loved everything about it.

[MarvelMovies]

I finally FINALLY... read all 6 issues of the Ennis / Crain series.

Just bought them off eBay for a good price and now have 3 issues of #1 from that series.

So just a couple thoughts... the art was obviously amazing.. the writing was pretty good.. and the story was alright, in that order I'd say.

Really cool to read FH's writing in issue #4 too. :D

There were a few gripes I had with the drawings, though they are all very minor and in the end, it was all something that every Ghost Rider fan should be able to see.

The story could've used some tweaks here and there, though I loved many of the scenes with Ghost Rider. I could've done without that fat greedy business man, but then again, without him, the story really couldn't work. The Ghost Rider bounty hounter type of character is a cool idea that I think will last long into the future -- props to MSJ for coming up with that. Hoss and Ruth were alright characters, along with Buttview, though I would have rather just saw more Ghost Rider kicking butt then those two... granted they did move along the story and cause for some good battle scenes.

Father Adam was a descent character, though again, seemed a bit extra and a distraction from Ghost Rider. He did shoot Ghost Rider with that bullet though which sent him back to Hell, so I guess he works in with the story too. On a scale of 1 - 10, I'd probably give this story a 7. Maybe I'd give the story a 6, and the overall series a 7 maybe. The writing was great and I would like to see Garth work another Ghost Rider series, which I guess is why we're getting another mini series from Ennis and Crain -- so that works out.

Anyways, good series, and a great restart to the character. And... now that we have Ghost Rider #1 and a new ongoing, the series just seems even sweeter.

I'll probably do some kind of write-up and stuff in a future Flame Bits.