View Full Version : Which FF member is best suited for a solo movie?
CaptainStacy
01-30-2005, 11:22 PM
I hear that X-Men 3 is going to start filming this summer, and then a solo Wolverine movie project gets underway the following year....There's even talk of a Storm movie spin-off.
So if, a few sequels down the road, a movie featuring one of the FF was being considered....which member would you be most interested in seeing?
The Phantom
02-06-2005, 10:50 AM
The Human Torch would be cool. The Characterization would probably be a lot like Spider-man, but without the whole secret identity business.
But I think as a spin-off, the best way to go would be a movie either about Silver Surfer with Vin Diesel in the titular role, or a movie featuring both the Human Torch and the Thing as crimefighting partners. It'd be like the Odd Couple, but with super powers.
Spider-Fan
02-06-2005, 01:13 PM
I think the Thing would make the most interesting spin off movie.
surfergirl
02-06-2005, 08:35 PM
very good question ... i could see a Human Torch or Thing spin off :up:
Cypher
02-06-2005, 09:19 PM
very good question ... i could see a Human Torch or Thing spin off :up:
I agree! I also would love to see a Torch - Spidey movie :)
CaptainStacy
02-06-2005, 10:04 PM
NOW you're talking! A Torch/Spider-Man movie would be awesome!
Still, out of the FF alone, i'd have to go with Ben. His solo comic lasted longer than any of Johnny's books, so i believe he has the bigger fan base.
Cypher
02-06-2005, 10:46 PM
NOW you're talking! A Torch/Spider-Man movie would be awesome!
Still, out of the FF alone, i'd have to go with Ben. His solo comic lasted longer than any of Johnny's books, so i believe he has the bigger fan base.
But Johnny had more recently his solo book.
I want a Torch-Spidey movie!!!! :)
MichaelRGrimm
02-07-2005, 04:21 PM
I'll vote the Thing. BUT, the character from this movie I still maintain that would be perefectly suited for a solo sequel is Doctor Doom! Give em an excellent chance to flesh out his villainous character and motivations and history. my humble opinion
CaptainStacy
02-09-2005, 12:09 PM
You know, it's funny, but a few months back when it became apparent that Doom's back story was being heavily condensed for the upcoming movie, i started thinking how cool it would have been if Fox had filmed a direct to dvd "mini movie" featuring him and all the details of his origin....i think that would have been interesting and maybe generated some publicity for the FF movie...
Iron Maiden
02-09-2005, 12:47 PM
I agree with you guys about a Doom solo movie. After all, it's not that far-fetched of an idea since a Magneto movie is in the talking stage at Fox along with one for Wolverine. I always thought Doom to be a more complex villain than Magneto, at least during the Lee/Kirby years. I used to get into some flame wars with a guy over at another board because it was my contention that Claremont just used the Doom origin as a template (subbing Jew for Gypsy, the Holocaust for the persecution of Victor's Romany tribe) and slapped it on Erik. I also used to argue that it was easy for him to find consistency to Magento's actions since he pretty much had a champion of sorts with Claremont almost exclusivesly handling the character for years whereas anyone and his pet monkey would drag Doom into a story ( *** having a bad flashback to Squirrel Girl ***) His backstory is at least as interesting as Magneto's if done properly.
But I digress. I voted for the Thing but would prefer a Doom solo movie, with Julian McMahon of course! Unless they back into his younger days.
BTW, would you believe that Marvel has plans to validate Squirrel Girl's existence by including her in the West Coast Avengers title this year. :p I hope they come up with a Doombot explanation for her encounter with Doom.
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CaptainStacy
02-09-2005, 07:40 PM
Wait...what? A new West Coast Avengers book? Details or a link, if you please!
Iron Maiden
02-09-2005, 07:48 PM
Wait...what? A new West Coast Avengers book? Details or a link, if you please!
OOoops. Sorry, I got my Avengers' squads mixed up. I meant to say Great Lakes Avengers. It was in the April solicits, which you can see here:
http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2005-04/marvel.php
Scroll down and you will see the cover with (* shudder * ) Squirrel Girl on the right. But I am turning into a Dan Slott fan so this should be good. :)
G.L.A. #1 (of 4)
Written by Dan Slott
Pencils & Cover by Paul Pelletier
They are the Great Lake Avengers, the guys who got the shortest end of the super-hero stick. But with the real Avengers disassembled, they’re going to try to step up to the plate and deal with one of their most powerful villains! Can they save the day? Well, we just hope these guys can save themselves!
This Issue: A Great Lake Avenger Dies! (Besides Mr. Immortal, duh.) Special appearances by: Captain America, Thor, the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, and Hawkeye.
April 6 :: 32 pages :: Marvel PSR :: $2.99
deadpool00
02-09-2005, 10:00 PM
i dont know if fantastic four would do well as a solo picture for any of the characters. i dont see how it would work, though i could be wrong.
:doom:
thebatmanbegins
02-13-2005, 02:52 AM
Dam can't vote on this one no Doom. I think it would be great to see a solo Doom movie.:doom:
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CaptainStacy
02-19-2005, 08:25 AM
If Doom were to get his own movie, what would be the premise? Should he battle the FF, or ANOTHER Marvel hero?
Or...should he battle another VILLAIN? (Magneto?)
The Phantom
02-19-2005, 07:49 PM
Hey, how about making a Doom movie Scarface style? Take out the 70s Cuban Miami vibe, implement Doom's castle, and just have him run chaos.:p
theunknowngoat
02-22-2005, 06:53 AM
they should have Doom taking over Latveria, if they were to make one
Darth Eklypze
02-24-2005, 01:42 PM
what about a Hulk and Thing crossover?
CaptainStacy
02-25-2005, 05:09 PM
I'd be all over that!
Invincible
02-25-2005, 09:41 PM
Human Torch
wetgorilla
02-26-2005, 10:12 PM
If they were to create a cross-over movie or even a t.v. series, a good idea would be to emulate the old issues of Strange Tales. Strange Tales highlighted the adventures of Ben and Johnny as they kicked butt and faced bizarre situations.
What do you think?
WetGorilla
CodeDrifter
02-27-2005, 12:18 AM
Torch/Spidey movie
CaptainStacy
02-27-2005, 12:47 AM
I woudn't mind a Strange Tales animated series, wetgorilla...
wetgorilla
02-27-2005, 02:59 PM
I woudn't mind a Strange Tales animated series, wetgorilla...
I'm sure the poll being taken here supports that spinoff.
Wetgorilla
Cypher
02-28-2005, 02:11 AM
Yeah! We need a Torch/Thing Spinoff movie :D
psycho
03-07-2005, 10:19 AM
The thing gets my vote
Cypher
03-08-2005, 01:41 PM
The First FF Spinoff Movie starring:
http://img200.exs.cx/img200/52/fantasticfour526imagebig8zg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
CaptainStacy
03-08-2005, 04:37 PM
Nice work, Cypher.
Any chance of making a logo, or movie tagline? Something like..."Thing/Torch: Strange Tales", or whatever?
TheSaintofKillers
03-10-2005, 01:31 AM
A Doom spinoff movie, where he is throw in another dimension, without his armor, without anything. Yet, he is still the most dangerous man alive on the planet.
Something like Chuck Dixon's Doom limited serie. :cool:
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Bad..ASS! :doom:
That, or how he conquered Latveria, of course.
TheRiddlerkid
03-12-2005, 07:39 PM
I think the Torch makes a movie,
but seeing how Thing is more popular to the fans, that's probably what they would do.
I agree with you guys about a Doom solo movie. After all, it's not that far-fetched of an idea since a Magneto movie is in the talking stage at Fox along with one for Wolverine. I always thought Doom to be a more complex villain than Magneto, at least during the Lee/Kirby years. I used to get into some flame wars with a guy over at another board because it was my contention that Claremont just used the Doom origin as a template (subbing Jew for Gypsy, the Holocaust for the persecution of Victor's Romany tribe) and slapped it on Erik. I also used to argue that it was easy for him to find consistency to Magento's actions since he pretty much had a champion of sorts with Claremont almost exclusivesly handling the character for years whereas anyone and his pet monkey would drag Doom into a story ( *** having a bad flashback to Squirrel Girl ***) His backstory is at least as interesting as Magneto's if done properly.
well let's compare motivation. if you think Doom is more complex, it should be a simple matter to prove. he has been around longer than Magneto, afterall. he should be more layered. of course, *i* personally haven't seen that to be the case.
here's Doom in a nutshell...
hyper-intelligent narcissist with a god complex who wants to rule the world. dime a dozen in the marvel universe. we've seen Doom rule the world. he just gets bored. why? because he's got nothing else going on. he's as much a machine as his Doombots. that's why you can't tell them apart. fight bad guy, boast, prove your superiority w/ some hi-tech kirby weapon, boast some more, lose, flee, repeat.
stuff added on to Doom to make him seem more interesting. back ground as underprivileged romani child who was 'cheated' of his throne and that's why he became evil. the uncanny ability to have any skill (ex. lion wrestling) needed to make him come out on top. oh and he wants to save his mother's soul from hell.
here's Magneto in a nutshell...
deathcamp survivor with a messiah complex who, after a twist of fate, gains power and becomes like his tormentors. struggles with realization of this fact. attempts to play on the side of the angels but can never shake his demons/his memories of the holocaust. spurred on by several brushes with death and failed assassination attempts by humans. a man plagued with natural abilities that, both, make him a god and threaten to destroy him mentally and physically. a man who has the undeniable charisma to lead others but, frequently, loses all desire but to isolate himself from the world. a truly tragic figure who, for right or wrong, actually had a *reason* to become the man he did. a man who possesses the ability to reevaluate his ideology and choices instead of just taking his own superiority as proof of his rightness.
what i think Doom has over Magneto:
- he's smarter because he, originally, had no superhuman abilities of his own.
- the big name writers won't let him fail unless he has succeeded first
what i think Magneto has over Doom:
- his powers are explainable & indicative of self-improvement instead of the product of a quick-fix ex. i have this kirby device that will siphon the Silver Surfers powers.
- his intellect, while genius-level, is more realistic for his upbringing. and it shows strength of character that, even with one of the most dangerous powers on the planet, Magneto has still taken it upon himself to study the sciences. he's even made nobel prize-worthy discovery.
- even though it would seem like the reverse, Magneto has to try harder/plan more efficiently for his wins. they aren't handed to him. he usually takes as many hits as his enemy. much more satisfying to see the villain struggle, imo.
- humanity. where is Doom's humanity/his human side? Magneto was horrified at the thought of harming Kitty Pryde. he took her to the Holocaust museum. he took over Xavier's school at a dying friend's request. he had close relationships with several women; none of them mutants. he risked war to meet his granddaughter. he's been on trial. he still has his tear ducts. he can relate to others well enough to convince others to follow him without the threat of force. he, secretly, saved a family from a burning building. he still visits his wife's grave. he's spared lives without boasting about it.
- humility. Magneto has been humbled and learned from it. he's not a blusterer who often underestimates his opponents. he's been shown gauging the strength of his opponents and learning, on the fly, how to counter it ex. his fight w/ the Phoenix force. and it should be noted that his opponents (all of them) actively train for the sole purpose of defeating *him.* that's why there are Magneto Protocols, instead of Doom protocols. that's why the CIA was outfitted w/ those anti-magneto vests that he quickly tore apart. that's why congress met to discuss the assassination of the man. that's why the most current New Mutants are fighting a holographic image of the man.
- a very easily understood background. he survived a deathcamp, attempted to start a family, had that dream crushed, volunteered at a hospital, was attacked by nazis, started hunting nazis for an intelligence organization, was betrayed by them, and became a mutant terrorist to insure that these injustices didn't continue. it would be simple to make that into a movie. try explaining Doom's heritage to someone, his attempts to contact his dead mother, his hooking up w/ some cult who now follows him, and choosing to become a really over-the-top supervillain and monarch of Latveria. and remember to include how he got the Ovoid mind switch, learned to wrestle lions, and still had the time to become the Sorceror Supreme-in-training. most of those developments were to make Doom, a regular human, seem more formidable after Squirrel Girl trashed him. meanwhile, Magneto's still the Master of Magnetism.
both characters started out as raving mad men with colorful costumes and the need to do evil. Magneto, no matter when he got a personality and backstory, has become a more complex individual than Doom. and his backstory is more relatable. but i'm definately biased, so feel free to correct me. :)
psylockolussus
04-07-2005, 06:59 AM
human torch
DarthPlagueis
04-15-2005, 07:17 PM
The Thing. He could fight Juggernaut or Hulk BUT we all know they would hand The Thing his *******.:doom:
Chris Wallace
04-16-2005, 12:01 AM
None.
Kmack
04-16-2005, 02:54 PM
I wouldn't like a solo movie of either, but if I had to pick. . . . Johnny:D
muhammady
04-17-2005, 12:28 AM
The Thing could definately have a solo movie to himself.He is in fact the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four.I also chose the Thing because he's my favorite character of the Fantastic Four team.The Human Torch could handle his own solo movie also because he's the second strongest of the Fantastic Four.
JOELLY
04-17-2005, 12:41 AM
The Thing has more of having a movie they dont have to waste to much money on
budget or production,plus he's my favorite.
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Aragorn501
04-17-2005, 04:40 AM
i'd like a human torch
Lady Stormcrow
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
I would rather have another F4 than a spinoff, but if there was one it'd probably be the Thing that they'd pick.
However, I count myself proud to be one of the two people that voted Mr Fantastic to have his own spinoff!! (That would be one awesome film. But only for me, and the other person.)
CaptainStacy
05-11-2005, 06:47 PM
Oh, i'd LOVE a Mr. Fantastic movie! I voted for The Thing, as he's my favorite, but i could see Reed in a solo film...maybe taking a trip to the Negaive Zone or something...
Lots of people have a hard time imagining Reed as an adventurer, as he's usually more cerebral. To that i say; pick up a copy of FF #200 to see how well Reed works alone.
Diamondhead
05-11-2005, 07:10 PM
Watt wingfoot
Even though is of Native American heritage, I think WWF wrestler "the Rock" would be perfect for that role
And China would be perfect as her girlfriend (the she Hulk.)
Just a suggestion if marvel wants to introduce new potential character from these movie franchises.
But I haven't read FF comics for years and I don't even know if this character
“Watt wingfoot” is still around (even though he didn't really play an active role I think he was cool
They should put him in the FF movies
Well…At least the second one
CaptainStacy
05-12-2005, 12:46 AM
Agreed.
Zues4Life
05-30-2005, 12:28 AM
The Thing because he's my favorite Fantastic Four character and superstrength is my favorite superpower.A solo movie for him would be the most interesting and I think that he can hold his own in any fight against anyone.
Isn't he partially invulnerable too?
HillValley85
06-03-2005, 01:03 PM
Actually, I can't see either of the 4 doing a solo movie.
I agree - I'd rather see a full-on sequel, since the characters as mainstream audiences are soon to see them are meant to be a family of sorts. It would seem like an overtly obvious attempt to have a spin-off movie for one or more of them to make money... Sequels would be best. But if it was going to happen, it'd probably be a toss-up between Thing and the Human Torch.
However, I do say Doom for X3! lol. Fox owns both series, and with X3 not yet fully on the move (as in filming or set script), you never know... :P lol. Nah... (but it would satisfy the wishes above about seeing Doom and Magneto go up against each other)... j/k
A movie based on Doom might be interesting, but I don't know... Like I said, I'd rather see sequels, but once the first movie comes around then maybe we'll see...
peasant girl
06-26-2005, 07:49 AM
hi
This is a little off topic. but I would love to see Ioan Gruffudd (aka Mr. Fantastic) as James Bond. Considering they don't have a James Bond and Ioan will do it, they should just pick him and get on with it already.
peasant girl
06-26-2005, 07:50 AM
I also agree though that no member of the FF should go solo. I remember Ioan saying that the FF are unique in that they really get their strength from being a team.
Hunter Rider
06-26-2005, 07:52 AM
Human Torch
Zues4Life
06-27-2005, 01:04 AM
I think that a Human Torch solo would be good and I'd defiantely go to see it.
griffolyon12
07-08-2005, 11:43 PM
I really couldn't see any of them have their own movie,but if they did make one I would say the Human Torch.
griffolyon12
07-08-2005, 11:45 PM
hi
This is a little off topic. but I would love to see Ioan Gruffudd (aka Mr. Fantastic) as James Bond. Considering they don't have a James Bond and Ioan will do it, they should just pick him and get on with it already.I too feel he'd be a good James Bond. :ff:
Ceb-Man
07-09-2005, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing each character.. Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, The Human Torch, The Thing, and Dr. Doom each getting their own spin-off film. Each persons are strong characters.
The Ceb-Man!
Zues4Life
07-09-2005, 11:43 AM
That's a good idea.But Doom is a villain so he's probably the only one who won't get his own spin-off movie.
Donald Thomas
07-09-2005, 02:16 PM
NOW you're talking! A Torch/Spider-Man movie would be awesome!
Still, out of the FF alone, i'd have to go with Ben. His solo comic lasted longer than any of Johnny's books, so i believe he has the bigger fan base.
Aloha,
I would agree Capt. Based upon all of the solo comics of the FF, Ben had the greatest run. Enjoyed the movie btw.
Spidey rules
PerfectStorm
07-09-2005, 06:32 PM
HOW ABOUT THING/HULK MOVIE.
Hulk done corectly.
CaptainStacy
07-09-2005, 10:06 PM
Aloha,
I would agree Capt. Based upon all of the solo comics of the FF, Ben had the greatest run. Enjoyed the movie btw.
Spidey rules
Glad to hear it Donald. So did i, for the most part.
rodhulk
07-10-2005, 01:11 AM
The Thing would get my vote for just a single member. I usually like the big strong guys and with what they can do with their strength.
Aragorn501
07-12-2005, 06:32 AM
That's a good idea.But Doom is a villain so he's probably the only one who won't get his own spin-off movie.
and how many villans have had their own spinoff movie?
:ff:
Sogmot1969
07-12-2005, 09:56 AM
Personally, I don't feel any of these characters would work too well as solo stars (Have any of the FF-related solo comics ever worked long-time? Besides the Marvel Two In One, which wasn't a solo book for THING...all of the solo efforts have not sustained their sales enough. How long did the old THING solo last?
Even the current Human Torch/Spidey book has flopped, in spite of having Marvel's biggest star in it...
heathm
07-13-2005, 09:32 PM
none
SpiderSensesTingling
07-18-2005, 06:47 PM
Nooooo! They're a team! They're a family! Make single-hero movies of anyone else, but leave the Fantastic Four as a foursome.
My opinion.
SpiderSensesTingling
07-18-2005, 06:51 PM
Aloha,
I would agree Capt. Based upon all of the solo comics of the FF, Ben had the greatest run. Enjoyed the movie btw.
Spidey rules
Oh no, say it ain't so! The two people I respect most on all the boards, and neither one is saying to leave the FF intact.
Ah well, it's true they did break up the foursome in the comics sometimes. It's just that I wish this foursome would make their mark in the genre of comic book movies as the superheroes who were always family and always about teamwork. Not a rational wish perhaps, but it's mine.
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SolidRoar
07-25-2005, 10:15 PM
The Thing.
The Thing 2005
07-26-2005, 12:25 AM
The Thing.
:thing: None. The're a group, not individuals. Wouldn't work at all. The're only great as a TEAM.:doom:
gerbstat
07-26-2005, 08:19 PM
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lovesteppenwolf
07-28-2005, 01:46 PM
I agree! I also would love to see a Torch - Spidey movie :)itll never happen fox has the rights to f4 and colombia has got spidey
DeGenerate10
07-30-2005, 05:55 AM
I couldn't imagine a movie about any of them by themselves. But if I had to see one of them have their own movies it would be the Thing.
CaptainStacy
07-30-2005, 12:18 PM
Oh no, say it ain't so! The two people I respect most on all the boards, and neither one is saying to leave the FF intact.
Ah well, it's true they did break up the foursome in the comics sometimes. It's just that I wish this foursome would make their mark in the genre of comic book movies as the superheroes who were always family and always about teamwork. Not a rational wish perhaps, but it's mine.
Oh, don't get me wrong; i'm not saying i want a solo Thing movie INSTEAD of a Fantastic Four movie...just that i wouldn't mind a solo Thing (or even Human Torch) movie in ADDITION to an ongoing FF movie franchise...
I'm greedy like that, lol.
Kmack
07-30-2005, 02:39 PM
None, especially while the characters are still owned by Fox. Though if any character was suited for a solo film it would be Doom.
Flash Fearless
07-30-2005, 07:31 PM
Whoa...I voted for the Torch, but a Torch/Thing movie ala Strange Tales would be much better! They could make that movie as comedic as all get out without affecting the story. Remember when they "Meet The Beatles"?
I'd also like to see a matchup of Johnny Storm with the ORIGINAL Human Torch - something to tie in the Marvel Golden Age..
A Torch/Thing movie would be awesome. The best parts of the Fantastic Four felt like a Torch/Thing buddy movie.
For a while now I've been thinking about how cool a movie would be with Namor fighting the original Human Torch in 1930s/40s New York, relying kind of heavily on Alex Ross's artwork from Marvels. Of course, a movie like this would never be made. I feel like Don Swan whenever I think about it.
3dman27
07-31-2005, 07:45 AM
i've said before and i say again
the ever lovin' blue eyed THING
Zues4Life
07-31-2005, 11:14 PM
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Zues4Life
07-31-2005, 11:18 PM
Anyway,I can't see Doom having his own movie because he's a villain and he'd need to have a hero fight him.Unless Doom is on some planet someway and the planet's name is Latveria or something and he has to overthrow the government to rule the planet.That would be cool to see.
Mr. Bleek
08-05-2005, 03:57 AM
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Mr. Bleek
08-05-2005, 03:57 AM
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Gamma Ray
08-07-2005, 02:30 AM
DOOM would be cool.
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 07:07 AM
It'll most likely be the thing. Probably a lot of angst.
Odin's Lapdog
08-11-2005, 07:23 AM
i don't think the torch can work on his own, you can't have the comdey without the seriousness....
i personally think sue could actually make a great film on her own....
especially a porno...:o
;)
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 07:25 AM
i don't think the torch can work on his own, you can't have the comdey without the seriousness....
i personally think sue could actually make a great film on her own....
especially a porno...:o
;)
Umm...I can't really comment on that. But q Sue Storm SPinoff (ooh, alliteration) would be VERY interesting.
Odin's Lapdog
08-11-2005, 07:30 AM
you mean you could comment, but you choose not to;)
anyway, i was only saying that in jest....
as for the films, i just enjoy people with vast potential with their powers struggling with keeping them under check and not letting them it corrupt them...
this approach to superhero films has yet to be truelly approached yet as all the heroes seem to have their powers under control, or are morally strong enough to deal with corruption.
this is the only reason i would like to see venom pop up in a spidey film as it would have parker dealing with the ultimate corruption of ultimate power.
i think the same could be shown for susan here, if done correctly.
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08-11-2005, 07:31 AM
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Uh, I'm just a newbie, but wouldn't it be easier and less annoying to just use the emoticon a lot of times? Like so:
:doom: :doom: :doom: :doom: etc.
But still, this is kind of immature, no?
And although anti-heroes are quite popular nowadays, I don't think Hollywood is ready to do a film where the main character is all-out maniacally evil.
Oh...and by the way, your post reminded me of the last ever episode of Black Adder goes forth, if anyone's seen it.
"I wrote a poem, I call it: The German Cannons.
Boom, boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom, boom"
"Uh, Boom, boom, boom?"
"How did you guess?"
"Oh...just intuition..."
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 07:32 AM
you mean you could comment, but you choose not to;)
anyway, i was only saying that in jest....
as for the films, i just enjoy people with vast potential with their powers struggling with keeping them under check and not letting them it corrupt them...
this approach to superhero films has yet to be truelly approached yet as all the heroes seem to have their powers under control, or are morally strong enough to deal with corruption.
this is the only reason i would like to see venom pop up in a spidey film as it would have parker dealing with the ultimate corruption of ultimate power.
i think the same could be shown for susan here, if done correctly.
Sounds interesting, I'd watch it. Nice idea :)
Odin's Lapdog
08-11-2005, 07:35 AM
of course you'd watch it, you wouldn't have a choice...
you'd watch the thing on a midget bicycle for 2 hours as long as it was an official marvel movie...
face it, every member of this board will watch whatever is thrown at us by the industry, we're all addicted...
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 07:36 AM
*sighs* True...I've always been more of a DC person, but I'll watch almost anything once. Not too sure whether I'd watch it again though...
Odin's Lapdog
08-11-2005, 07:42 AM
you may have a point, but i'm at the point where just for the sake of feeling complete, i buy the dvds to marvel films that i'm not even that fond of:o
i just think its good to be able to form a valid opinion on something and i don't think you can really do that on a single viewing of a film, so i like to analyse scenes in order to make sure there is evidence to back up my views...
i'm a hardcore fan junkie:(
but it's all in decent fun...
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 07:53 AM
True, true.
I automatically go for anything that has the name of my favourite characters, even when I don't like what it is.
But hey, I'm obsessed and proud.
Odin's Lapdog
08-11-2005, 09:14 AM
hardcore, i like it...
;)
Marina-Myst
08-11-2005, 09:17 AM
Hehe, thanks. I'm a hardcore newbie bat-fan. l've only rekindled my love for comics in the past year, but I'm already working on nurmerous boards and writing reviews and generally ebing a nerd,.
i_play_SEGA
09-08-2005, 03:41 PM
i dont think any of the ff would be good for a solo film. the ff together is how it should be.
I SEE SPIDEY
09-24-2005, 01:08 PM
Human Torch.
MattC
09-24-2005, 02:02 PM
I would say The Thing, although Human Torch would probably be a more popular movie.
DarthDevil007
10-18-2005, 09:20 PM
Definitely DOOM or TORCH!
Darth Elektra
10-18-2005, 09:25 PM
I dont know who would be best in a solo movie,but Jessica alba as the invisible woman was damn hot!
3dman27
10-19-2005, 05:25 AM
at this point the clobberin' timer has the lead
Honestly, I don't think any of them should have a solo movie. They are the Fantastic Four, not the Fantastic One has Ben said in a recent issue...
Darko
10-21-2005, 11:58 PM
The Thing hands down. Just as long as they don't go with the "Hulk" as reference.
earlyfan
10-24-2005, 05:05 PM
The Human Torch would be cool. The Characterization would probably be a lot like Spider-man, but without the whole secret identity business.
But I think as a spin-off, the best way to go would be a movie either about Silver Surfer with Vin Diesel in the titular role, or a movie featuring both the Human Torch and the Thing as crimefighting partners. It'd be like the Odd Couple, but with super powers.
Now, THAT would work!
Sparta*
10-28-2005, 02:20 PM
I'd say Human Torch
CaptainStacy
10-29-2005, 10:38 AM
Hmmm. Seems like fans find Reed Richards the least interesting of the group....
Hmmm. Seems like fans find Reed Richards the least interesting of the group....
i don't necessarily find him uninteresting i just don't think he's a solo kind of guy...Right now i'm reading the MK Morrison*Lee arc where Reed is doing some very powerful fighting w/ his own mind....very interesting stuff now that i've gotten into this arc....was alittle afraid too after looking at the artwork....not what i've come to know in the MK series....but the story is very interesting....and extremely hard to understand if you really don't concentrate on the reading....
and again....let me say that i actually don't think any of them should have a solo movie...they are they F4 and thats how they should stay....:)
CaptainStacy
10-29-2005, 11:47 AM
i don't necessarily find him uninteresting i just don't think he's a solo kind of guy...Right now i'm reading the MK Morrison*Lee arc where Reed is doing some very powerful fighting w/ his own mind....very interesting stuff now that i've gotten into this arc....was alittle afraid too after looking at the artwork....not what i've come to know in the MK series....but the story is very interesting....and extremely hard to understand if you really don't concentrate on the reading....
and again....let me say that i actually don't think any of them should have a solo movie...they are they F4 and thats how they should stay....:)
Yeah, Reed was in some solo action in the beginning of the current arc by JMS that was pretty good too. But i can agree that if done properly, he could come off as too cerebral to entertain a mainstream audience.
I aslo agree the four should remain together on the big screen for the forseeable future.
Red X
11-17-2005, 02:26 PM
Yeah! We need a Torch/Thing Spinoff movie :D
Can't they just edit Sue & Reed out of the orginal movie?
Quentin Beck
11-25-2005, 05:06 PM
I'd love a Thing solo movie :)
3dman27
11-25-2005, 05:13 PM
I'd love a Thing solo movie :)
that sounds like a plan:thing:
Darth Elektra
11-26-2005, 02:23 AM
I'd love a Thing solo movie :)
I aggree!
The Thing 2005
11-26-2005, 12:52 PM
I'd love a Thing solo movie :)
The Thing vs The Hulk. Be still my beating heart. :thing: :hulk:
Mr. Socko
11-30-2005, 10:28 AM
None Of Them!
earlyfan
12-01-2005, 01:59 PM
Johnny might actually make an interesting solo figure, but quite honestly, they're all at their best when they're together. The infighting, the love, the teamwork, the irritation and the loyalty...they make each other what they are. In a solo movie I think any of the four would be diminished.
CaptainStacy
12-09-2005, 07:49 PM
Well, two of the four, Reed and Ben, have very interesting backstories that might be worth fleshing out a bit....such a storyline probably would never be attempted in an FF feature film, although i personally feel that a bit more of Ben's earlier life could be briefly touched on...possibly in conversation with Alicia.
Johnny might actually make an interesting solo figure, but quite honestly, they're all at their best when they're together. The infighting, the love, the teamwork, the irritation and the loyalty...they make each other what they are. In a solo movie I think any of the four would be diminished.
b-i-n-g-o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FooYu
12-10-2005, 09:25 PM
The thing, wouldn't mind a Doom spin off.
Hiruu
12-10-2005, 11:01 PM
None!...I've always enjoyed the Fatnastic Four, best, as a team. each characters has a composite, so different from the others, that only together, have they every painted a complete picture for me. The Avengers and Xmen can do solo stories much better, so I can only hope that stays true.
Johnny...the brash side
Ben...stoic and a torture, although, not as much as in the past
Reed...brillant, and sometimes absent-minded
Sue...motherly but independent and fierce!
Fantastic Four is really one of the best teams in print, as they provide near flawless balance.
CaptainStacy
12-18-2005, 03:38 PM
The thing, wouldn't mind a Doom spin off.
Well....thing is, they changed him so much from the comics....i dunno, maybe they could still incorporate the gypsy background, and the death of his parents into a spin off movie, then just show him coming to America and starting a science research facility from there.......it might be ok.
CYBER-ME
12-31-2005, 12:16 PM
1. The Human Torch
2. The Thing!
i'm going to stand up one more time and scream from the highest mountain top that they are a family, a team........as individuals they are at their weakest point.....they are at their strongest when they work together.....no solo movies for any of them......you break the Fantastic Four up you destroy what makes them different from all the other comics....and they become just another superhero....
CaptainStacy
01-04-2006, 06:00 PM
And again; i agree...to a point. However, even going back to the Lee & Kirby era, both Ben and Johnny often had solo adventures. That IS a part of their history, as much as the family aspect...
I would never want the team to "break up" per se, but sometime after the fourth of fifth FF movie, i wouldnt be opposed to Ben and/or Johnny being featured in a solo movie, with the FF, Baxter Building, and such as background material....
I believe Fox is planning to do this with The X-Men and Wolverine, and the X-Men also have a very strong family vibe.
And again; i agree...to a point. However, even going back to the Lee & Kirby era, both Ben and Johnny often had solo adventures. That IS a part of their history, as much as the family aspect...
I would never want the team to "break up" per se, but sometime after the fourth of fifth FF movie, i wouldnt be opposed to Ben and/or Johnny being featured in a solo movie, with the FF, Baxter Building, and such as background material....
I believe Fox is planning to do this with The X-Men and Wolverine, and the X-Men also have a very strong family vibe.
So you are telling me...that Ben and Johnny going solo is AS MUCH as in equal, as in as important to their history as the family aspect....did i read that correctly?????? Their family aspect which is dealt w/ in almost every arc...is equaled to and as important as a few times when Johnny and Ben had their solo adventures???? is that what you are saying..??? as to the other part...X-men have a family vibe, Fantastic Four have a family relationship....to me theres a huge difference in the two....Good Lord, i'm actually taking this personally....LMAO!!!!
CaptainStacy
01-04-2006, 09:50 PM
So you are telling me...that Ben and Johnny going solo is AS MUCH as in equal, as in as important to their history as the family aspect....did i read that correctly?????? Their family aspect which is dealt w/ in almost every arc...is equaled to and as important as a few times when Johnny and Ben had their solo adventures???? is that what you are saying..??? as to the other part...X-men have a family vibe, Fantastic Four have a family relationship....to me theres a huge difference in the two....Good Lord, i'm actually taking this personally....LMAO!!!!
I don't believe i said it was as "important", no, simply that it was as much a viable and recognized part of their continuity and history as characters.
In other words; Marvel (Stan Lee) felt that Johnny and Ben were interesting enough to explore adventures outside the family dynamic...Ben's solo adventures were chronicled for about fifteen years worth of stories and featured interactions with many Marvel characters besides the Fantastic Four...and he's currently got yet another ongoing series up and running....
So no, i don't really see a problem somewhere down the line with The Thing being given a shot at a solo movie, especially if it gives a chance to delve into his early years (which fascinates me to no end), and also allows even MORE great Marvel characters to be given the shot at the big screen, such as Aunt Petunia, or Bill Foster, or whoever...
Basically; when Strange Tales (featuring Johnny) and later Marvel Two In One (featuring Ben) were launched, those books in no way took anything from the "family aspect" of the Fantastic Four book...so i really don't see any reason to think it would take anything away from the Fantastic Four movies.
My comparisons to what Fox is planning with Wolverine and X-Men was merely to show that the same studio that is handling the FF franchise would not be opposed to doing the same with the FF dynamic....X-Men are probally more important to the modern comics fan, but the older generation from the sixties and seventies who currently are taking their own children out to the movies, would probably be even more interested in any FF spin offs...
I don't believe i said it was as "important", no, simply that it was as much a viable and recognized part of their continuity and history as characters.
In other words; Marvel (Stan Lee) felt that Johnny and Ben were interesting enough to explore adventures outside the family dynamic...Ben's solo adventures were chronicled for about fifteen years worth of stories and featured interactions with many Marvel characters besides the Fantastic Four...and he's currently got yet another ongoing series up and running....
So no, i don't really see a problem somewhere down the line with The Thing being given a shot at a solo movie, especially if it gives a chance to delve into his early years (which fascinates me to no end), and also allows even MORE great Marvel characters to be given the shot at the big screen, such as Aunt Petunia, or Bill Foster, or whoever...
Basically; when Strange Tales (featuring Johnny) and later Marvel Two In One (featuring Ben) were launched, those books in no way took anything from the "family aspect" of the Fantastic Four book...so i really don't see any reason to think it would take anything away from the Fantastic Four movies.
i think some of the disagreement also comes from your years of reading, and the fact that you love the characters of Ben and Johnny...and my newness to the comics, and the fact that the thing that draws me to this particular comic as opposed to others is the family dynamic. So i still disagree w/ you, but i certainly understand where you are coming from....and i think i understand why i take this so personally....lol...but i'm not sure you answered my question....are you saying that their times as solo acts are as much a part of the Fantastic Four as the family relationship of the 4?
CaptainStacy
01-04-2006, 10:02 PM
No. I'm not saying its as much a part of the FF as much as its a part of Ben and Johhny's personal history...
And don't worry; your passion for the FF as you personally see them is a thing of beauty, in MY eyes.
No. I'm not saying its as much a part of the FF as much as its a part of Ben and Johhny's personal history...
And don't worry; your passion for the FF as you personally see them is a thing of beauty, in MY eyes.
i think i actually understand our difference of opinion...you have grown to love each individual character over the years....as a young kid, i doubt that the family thang was that important to you....as a kid you wanted to be thing and Johnny....as for me as an adult woman...the thing that draws me to them is that relationship factor...i think thats why i like the MK version the best....the writers tend to really bring out the relationship aspect more than others....
Buslady
01-21-2006, 02:01 AM
I would love to see a Ben movie. He's deep...I like how he was portrayed in the movie...I think Mike could pull off a hell of a performance in a solo flick. Cause Ben's not always beatin the crud outta bad dudes...he's not ALWAYS with the F4...
3dman27
01-21-2006, 11:52 AM
don't forget just because they are both a family and a team that doesn't mean they cant handle themselves in solo action
don't forget just because they are both a family and a team that doesn't mean they cant handle themselves in solo action
Thats a given....thats not in dispute, of course they can....but "to me", "in my opinion", "in my heart"....they are a family....that is their strongest point...that is what makes the different "to me", from Spiderman, Superman, even the X-men....the X-men have a team, and even a family at times...but relationship is the key to the F4, "in my opinion"...and thats what draws me, and i would venture to say many more women like me to this particular comic movie...if its based on action, then to me its no different than any other comic book movie, but if its based on relationship of this family, along w/ the powers that they have as individuals and a family makes them that much more appealing....
gerbstat
01-21-2006, 09:37 PM
I'd love a Thing solo movie :)
How about a "Strange Tales" type TV series featuring Ben and Johnny? They could easily make it "family friendly" like the old comic and play it for some laughs. But no "Thing Ring do your thing" nonsense!
Or, how about putting HERBIE up against the Terminator in a crossover? Or HERBIE vs. Kit from Knightrider?
supermarvelman
02-04-2006, 02:33 PM
a spin off would be good but i dont think they should really do any spin offs, why waste the time wqith a character who already has a movie franchise when you can develop characters who are still sitting on the shelf like Iron man and the Avengers, why do i wanna see a a FF movie when its only the Terrific 2, i would rather have charcters from exiating movies and having them make cameos in other exsisting franchises or upcoming Franchises. I like Wolverine and Magneto but they have a place already. they have so many good characters why hold back especially since marvel will soon be making there own movies
SpiderHulkThing
02-19-2006, 12:24 AM
torch
CaptainStacy
03-18-2006, 11:48 PM
a spin off would be good but i dont think they should really do any spin offs, why waste the time wqith a character who already has a movie franchise when you can develop characters who are still sitting on the shelf like Iron man and the Avengers, why do i wanna see a a FF movie when its only the Terrific 2, i would rather have charcters from exiating movies and having them make cameos in other exsisting franchises or upcoming Franchises. I like Wolverine and Magneto but they have a place already. they have so many good characters why hold back especially since marvel will soon be making there own movies
Who says there can't be an Iron Man or Avengers movie right along side an FF spin off movie?
I think there's room for ALL that, as well as a continued FF franchise.
Spoarz™
03-20-2006, 03:28 PM
I voted the Human Torch :ff:
fangrl06
03-25-2006, 08:31 PM
There could never be a FF movie with only one FF member. The FF is all about family, it's not like X-men where Wolverine could have his own movie. Wolverine's character doesn't need any of the other x-men, but the FF need each other.
3dman27
03-26-2006, 07:14 AM
There could never be a FF movie with only one FF member. The FF is all about family, it's not like X-men where Wolverine could have his own movie. Wolverine's character doesn't need any of the other x-men, but the FF need each other.
you're making them sound as incompetent as JOXER THE MIGHTY on their own i' m sure thats NOT what you're trying to do:thing: :thing:
you're making them sound as incompetent as JOXER THE MIGHTY on their own i' m sure thats NOT what you're trying to do:thing: :thing:
i think she means pretty much what i've been saying....there strongest point is not their individual powers, but their relationship w/ each other.....that relationship is what has pulled them through their toughest times....they are at their best as the 4....unfortunately right now Marvel is looking to change that....so they are probably about to lose a new fan who was one of their biggest....sad....sad....sad.
supermarvelman
03-26-2006, 05:17 PM
Who says there can't be an Iron Man or Avengers movie right along side an FF spin off movie?
I think there's room for ALL that, as well as a continued FF franchise.
I'm not saying they cant do it, What I'm saying is that the time and money they spend on a human torch movie could be used to make a movie for some one like Black Panther. It's to much, Wolverine is one thing cause his clouded history, but someone like Thing having his own movie is stupid where would the rest of the FF be, it would just be another FF movie, I dont wanna see Thing by himself I wanna see the whole FF. If they made an Avengers movie i wouldnt want them to make a Ironman movie or a Cap America movie cause they already have a spot. These movies dont just appear out of thin air they require time and money which also doesnt appear out of thin air or grow on trees. Dont give characters there own movies if there already part of a team.
supermarvelman
03-26-2006, 05:28 PM
Actually screw putting Galactus in the FF sequal, he's the one who deservses his own spinoff fanchise. You could involve more than just the FF, why would the X-men just sit back and let Galactus destroy the earth.
fangrl06
03-26-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm not saying they cant do it, What I'm saying is that the time and money they spend on a human torch movie could be used to make a movie for some one like Black Panther. It's to much, Wolverine is one thing cause his clouded history, but someone like Thing having his own movie is stupid where would the rest of the FF be, it would just be another FF movie, I dont wanna see Thing by himself I wanna see the whole FF. If they made an Avengers movie i wouldnt want them to make a Ironman movie or a Cap America movie cause they already have a spot. These movies dont just appear out of thin air they require time and money which also doesnt appear out of thin air or grow on trees. Dont give characters there own movies if there already part of a team.
Amen
fangrl06
03-26-2006, 10:49 PM
Actually screw putting Galactus in the FF sequal, he's the one who deservses his own spinoff fanchise. You could involve more than just the FF, why would the X-men just sit back and let Galactus destroy the earth.
Man I argeed with you 100% until you went down that road...
supermarvelman
03-26-2006, 11:07 PM
Im just kidding, all this crap about spin offs, i felt like throwing a wrench in the gears.
Hey fangrl06
HOW YOU DOIN
gerbstat
04-03-2006, 03:58 PM
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Mr. Socko
04-07-2006, 12:01 AM
None None None None None None None None None None None None!
TheFalcon
04-28-2006, 07:38 PM
The Human Torch
Spider - Man
05-07-2006, 05:50 PM
More of a Thing fan, but from the first movie, I'd say The Torch.
FrankCastle6
05-11-2006, 10:29 PM
I would like to see the thing...a very cool character to me...and would make an interesting spin off
Carp Man
05-14-2006, 07:15 PM
I would like to see the thing...a very cool character to me...and would make an interesting spin off
Who would he battle ? The Hulk ?
Dynasty
06-02-2006, 01:38 PM
"Who would he battle ? The Hulk ?"
I hope i live to the day where i can see that on film, how amazing would that be.
Image
06-02-2006, 02:06 PM
I vote The Human Torch.
iceberg325
06-02-2006, 02:20 PM
Ummmm lets see, invisible woman or course so we could see more ALBA!!!!! lol
halfapple
06-03-2006, 10:18 AM
NOW you're talking! A Torch/Spider-Man movie would be awesome!
Still, out of the FF alone, i'd have to go with Ben. His solo comic lasted longer than any of Johnny's books, so i believe he has the bigger fan base.
/Agree! Oh Yeah!
That would be Awesome! Torch & Spidey - oh dam that would own!
You know that could be a good way to get Spidey to eventually meet the rest of the FF team - perhaps a follow up movie or something.
Torch & Spidey - Yeah I could see that, Hell Yeah I could see that :)
Oh.... but somewhere in that film, have Jonny take Peter out to meet a few of his friends at a bar to get him hammered -
Pete needs it he always seems so laid back or stuck reading a book.
Would like to see Jonny unleash the wild side of Pete - Yeah that would be great!
Torch & Spidey would be definately something to see in action together on the big screen tho.
Hot dam that could be so action packed - Like an edge of the seat kinda thing to see!
halfapple
06-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Ummmm lets see, invisible woman or course so we could see more ALBA!!!!! lol
.....or that too
Nothing wrong with more Alba.
And to be honest .... Alba is the only reason why I am going back to see the FF2 movie when its released :)
Dude, thats getting alittle old....lol....
CaptainStacy
06-11-2006, 07:08 PM
So i see that The X-Men's Magneto is definitely getting a solo movie.
Thats great. He's a cool character and all, but honestly; if only ONE Marvel villain was to get a spin-off movie, shouldnt it be Doom?
I think so.
3dman27
06-12-2006, 08:56 AM
you have a point captain
iceberg325
06-12-2006, 09:19 AM
Well the Magento movie is going to be a prequel right? Its good that way because we can see his origins. The doctor doom movie would have to be more of a spin off because the FF4 movie showed what happened to him so it wouldnt make sense for them to show it again.
Shadow_Knight
06-19-2006, 02:44 AM
Oh yeah I think Thing needs his own solo movie that would rule.
3dman27
06-19-2006, 02:34 PM
oh yea the clobberin' timer on his own would rule
Shadow_Knight
06-19-2006, 03:51 PM
Damn straight.
I like them best together....no solos...
batdude
06-20-2006, 04:47 PM
I'd say the Torch or Torch/Thing.
U.S War Machine
06-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Mr. Fantastic
The thing & the torch, those both movies would be great I think
xii22_loop
07-06-2006, 12:29 PM
oh yeah torch, only for more excuse to see him smoldering all shirtless and yeah.
jessica alba, more excuse for her to be blonde and soo hot.
The Rocketeer
07-16-2006, 04:00 PM
I think The Thing would do best for a spinoff movie, because he's the one with the biggest problem.............he hates his powers. They could make something similar to x-men 3 where people find a (CURE) for his powers and he has to decide whether or not to get the treatment.:thing: :up:
:supes:
comicgenius2111
07-17-2006, 06:55 AM
I think the the thing should have his own solo movie. because he got more problems about how he is looks.:thing:
CaptainStacy
07-29-2006, 02:30 PM
I think The Thing would do best for a spinoff movie, because he's the one with the biggest problem.............he hates his powers. They could make something similar to x-men 3 where people find a (CURE) for his powers and he has to decide whether or not to get the treatment.:thing: :up:
:supes:
You're on to something! You guys ever read Marvel Two In One #50? Reed develops a cure for Ben, but it turns out it would only work if applied shortly after Ben was first transformed into The Thing, so Ben goes back in time to give it to himself, and ends up getting into a vicious fight with his earlier version....
That might be cool to see.
weezerspider
08-07-2006, 08:38 PM
The Thing, but I would't be real thrilled about a solo movie. I don't think any 5 of them{including DOOM} would do quite well.
Green Goblin 1964
08-08-2006, 08:12 PM
i think the thing would be cool
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/Invisible%20Woman-Malice%202.gif
I think the invisible woman should have her own solo movie involving the malice, mistress of hate storyline
3dman27
08-09-2006, 08:37 AM
that might work
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/sue6jrfw8.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/sue7jrkc8.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/Invisible%20Woman-Malice%201.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/Invisible%20Woman-Malice%202.gif
The malice storyline will definitely work, imagine malice, mistress of hate defeating the rest of the fantastic four!
CaptainStacy
08-30-2006, 03:07 PM
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/sue/Invisible%20Woman-Malice%202.gif
I think the invisible woman should have her own solo movie involving the malice, mistress of hate storyline
The thing about that is the fact that what made it so effective was Sue turning on her family.....if they appear with her in her "solo" movie, then it just becomes another FF sequel, no?
pinkfloydstarr
09-03-2006, 11:33 PM
:thing: The Thing all the way
CaptainStacy
09-25-2006, 03:33 PM
So if The Thing DID get a solo movie....who would be a good adversary for him?
Maybe that would be a good opportunity to introduce Alicia's step father, Puppet Master,and perhaps even his occasional ally, The Mad Thinker? (that way, we'd at least get a great slug-fest between Ben and the Thinker's Android)...
TripleF
09-25-2006, 06:28 PM
None, in my opinion.
Spidey-Jason
10-10-2006, 02:55 AM
the Thing
Micronauts
10-29-2006, 07:52 AM
The Thing. The premise for the movie would be quite easy to get him on a solo adventure. It's an old format, but would work well IMHO. The beginning of the film starts off with Ben having a big fight with Alicia. Then the constant barrage of gags pulled on him by the Torch, but also the Yancy Street gang. Ben is fed up and needs a vacation away from everybody.
Then he goes away someplace remote for what he thinks is a nice quiet vacation. Except here, (insert villian here) learns the Thing is nearby and thinks he is there to disrupt the villians plans. Then all hell brakes loose.
Whoever the villian would be, would have to be somebody with lots of underlings (living or robot) for the Thing to "clobber". Who would want to see a Thing movie if he is not punching the daylights out of his enemies?
Crimson_L
11-08-2006, 02:23 PM
These characters don't seem fit to be solo. But the Torch could work...maybe...
TripleF
11-10-2006, 06:28 PM
Fit?
CaptainStacy
11-25-2006, 03:05 PM
Fit?
Last time i checked, Ms. Alba was looking QUITE fit....
Quite fit, indeed. :cwink:
TripleF
11-26-2006, 08:20 PM
Last time i checked, Ms. Alba was looking QUITE fit....
Quite fit, indeed. :cwink:
I'm right there with ya.:woot:
Valerie_f4
11-30-2006, 08:24 PM
Fit? You lost me!
Mike059jig
12-01-2006, 06:50 PM
I really like them as a team..but a solo FF movie be about ben grimm....the thing.....his character has so much potential and depth.....
Strong Guy
12-02-2006, 10:59 PM
I want a Mr. Fantatsic solo movie.It'd be one of those geek heaven kinda type of movie.Besides,Mr. Fantastic is kinda cool,don't you think?
Valerie_f4
12-03-2006, 05:09 PM
Hmm, I don't know. It's hard to say.
CaptainStacy
12-27-2006, 09:37 AM
I really like them as a team..but a solo FF movie be about ben grimm....the thing.....his character has so much potential and depth.....
Agreed. Lots of history concerning Ben's early life.
javon
12-30-2006, 05:09 PM
Sue would be best for a solo film IMO.
The Female Torch
12-30-2006, 08:30 PM
If Ioan would be playing Mr. Fantastic I vote him! :up:
Valerie_f4
12-31-2006, 06:20 PM
I like them all. That's why it would be hard to comment on it.
coreymb16
06-05-2007, 06:06 PM
I would like to see a Mr. Fantastic movie.
Prop_Replicas
06-08-2007, 01:20 PM
I'd say the Thing... the Human Torch is funny and has cool powers.. but he kind of lacks character depth in my opinion... he's not really tortured or complex. He'd be FUN to watch.. but i don't think he'd be that interesting storywise.
CaptainStacy
06-21-2007, 07:20 AM
I'd say the Thing... the Human Torch is funny and has cool powers.. but he kind of lacks character depth in my opinion... he's not really tortured or complex. He'd be FUN to watch.. but i don't think he'd be that interesting storywise.
Well, maybe a solo movie could develop his character...
Strong Guy
06-21-2007, 07:38 AM
Oh..speaking about interesting.Having a Mr. Fantastic solo movie would be boring.Since he's a science guy and we know alotta people are not into science,i guess it won't be that appealing for people to watch.
The Human Torch would obviously be the most reasonable and interesting to watch.
Valerie_f4
05-08-2008, 12:45 AM
the human torch and spiderman.
X-Maniac
05-14-2008, 07:56 AM
Torch would be best, but i don't want a solo movie. I want another, much better FF movie.
Valerie_f4
05-15-2008, 12:23 AM
They said it in the last movie. He's much a better solo act.
Galactus_357
05-31-2008, 09:34 PM
I honestly don't think any of them should get a solo movie but if I had to choose, it'd be the Torch for sure.
bubbadoom
05-31-2008, 11:54 PM
Wow, just like the Torch had his own solo comic series for 3 years...[and yes, I know they teamed him up with the thing for the last year or so of the series].
Valerie_f4
06-01-2008, 01:09 AM
I like it. <3
Angamb
06-02-2008, 11:33 AM
Oh, I voted wrong, I wanted to vote to Human torch, but voted for MR fantastic by mistake, hehe.
bubbadoom
06-02-2008, 01:42 PM
Angamb - it's a shame you are not from Florida, then you could have blamed the ballots!
Angamb
06-02-2008, 02:26 PM
I don't understand that, hehe, sorry... I'm spanish, and have translated it but still don't understand it, hehe.
Valerie_f4
06-03-2008, 12:35 AM
You are doomed! Nah, just kidding......Did I convince you?
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