The "New" Doctor Who

[regwec]

If you find mild nausea fun.

[TheCorpulent1]

Doctor Who seems to have decided he has a soft spot for one of the most irritating women in Britain. He probably got turned down by Divina McCall.
I just heard about Tate in series 4 yesterday. I'm not looking forward to it. :(

[Kahoot]

didn't she marry at seventeen or eighteen?
Yeah, but Chris Evens (Not the Human Torch) was loaded and she's just devorced him after being separated for a long time. Word on the street is she let him keep his money, so that was nice of her.

[Manic]

You know, maybe I can wait for the Sci-Fi Channel to air the Tate episodes. You know, in July 2008.

[Whirlysplat]

Doctor Who seems to have decided he has a soft spot for one of the most irritating women in Britain. He probably got turned down by Divina McCall.

The most quotable post I have read on this forum since joining. Absolute Reg genius!!!!!

[Max Shrek]

I just watched Sci Fi's airing of "The Runaway Bride." If Doctor Who wanted to add someone hot to his crew, he could pick up Donna's rival Nerys. She was a douchebag, but damn. :eek:

Donna's hatred for Nerris was one of my favorite things about the episodes. I hope they keep that for Series 4. Can you see that? Dalek Caan has rebuilt the Dalek race and they're about to destroy Earth or something. "I'm so sorry, Donna... but the most evil thing in existence has returned." "*gasp* But... how did Nerris get here?" "Daleks." "Oh."

I swear I must be the only person who loves ALL 3 of them. Rose, Martha, AND Donna.

[Lord Valumart]

I swear I must be the only person who loves ALL 3 of them. Rose, Martha, AND Donna.

nobody should love martha...it should be like illegal...:dry:

[Speedball]

Donna's hatred for Nerris was one of my favorite things about the episodes. I hope they keep that for Series 4. Can you see that? Dalek Caan has rebuilt the Dalek race and they're about to destroy Earth or something. "I'm so sorry, Donna... but the most evil thing in existence has returned." "*gasp* But... how did Nerris get here?" "Daleks." "Oh."

I swear I must be the only person who loves ALL 3 of them. Rose, Martha, AND Donna.
I like Rose...I've only seen one episode with Martha, she's cute, but no Rose.

[Kahoot]

I swear I must be the only person who loves ALL 3 of them. Rose, Martha, AND Donna.
No body with taste likes Donna.

[Lord Valumart]

No body with taste likes Donna.

*cough*

i have taste. i have very good taste in some things, like movies and tv shows and music...

[Noir]

I'd like to taste Donna.

[Kahoot]

*cough*

i have taste. i have very good taste in some things, like movies and tv shows and music...
Keep telling yourself that. You don't even like Steven Moffat's episodes...

[Lord Valumart]

I'd like to taste Donna.
i agree with this 100%
Keep telling yourself that. You don't even like Steven Moffat's episodes...

hey...many people can vouch for my awesome dvd collection.

and is itmy fault his eps weren't as exciting as they were hyped to be:whatever:

[regwec]

nobody should love martha...it should be like illegal...:dry:

You shouldn't wear poor taste as a badge of virtue. That is the hallmark of the chav.

[Manic]

You don't like Moffat's episodes?

*faints*

[Cyrusbales]

JK Rowling(sp?) is writing an episode I believe....

[Lord Valumart]

JK Rowling(sp?) is writing an episode I believe....

*goes on killing spree*

[Kahoot]

JK Rowling(sp?) is writing an episode I believe....
Sure she is...

Steven Fry has said a few times he'd like to write an episode but hasn't had the time.

[Cyrusbales]

It was in a paper, probably the sun or something, so not worth a lot of thought, just thought I'd mention it as speculative rumour...

[Max Shrek]

J.K. said she'd consider it if they asked her again.

And Valumart and Kahoot, whoever someone likes or dislikes is a matter of opinon. There's no need to get snippy or rude just because someone else likes a fictional character.

[Noir]

if JK writes an ep I will send her a bomb via FED-EX.

She'd use Magic and **** but you know make it real in the WHOniverse.

[Lord Valumart]

And Valumart and Kahoot, whoever someone likes or dislikes is a matter of opinon. There's no need to get snippy or rude just because someone else likes a fictional character.

we're dr who fans....it's what we do...:dry:

[regwec]

She very well might not. She is shooting her cash cow Harry Potter precisely because she is tired of writing that kind of thing. She may very well want to write a pure sci-fi.

[Kahoot]

J.K. said she'd consider it if they asked her again.

And Valumart and Kahoot, whoever someone likes or dislikes is a matter of opinon. There's no need to get snippy or rude just because someone else likes a fictional character.
Tate isn't a fictional character, Donna is, I hate both.
if JK writes an ep I will send her a bomb via FED-EX.

She'd use Magic and **** but you know make it real in the WHOniverse.
lol, I'm sure she can write about more than just Harry Potter.

[Noir]

I don't think so, she doesn't have alot of Talent, the last Harry Potter books have been so Cliche.

[Lord Valumart]

I don't think so, she doesn't have alot of Talent, the last Harry Potter books have been so Cliche.

imo all of them have been crap and badly writen....

[regwec]

I've never read one, so I could hardly say.

[Kahoot]

I don't think so, she doesn't have alot of Talent, the last Harry Potter books have been so Cliche.
Millions disagree. I don't like them coz they are too long for a kids book.

[Cyrusbales]

They are simplistic and unoriginal kids books, full of narrative errors and non-sensical elements.

As for Tate, Donna is the best thing she's ever done that I can think of, and that was poor. :(

[Noir]

I don't like them for there basic rip-offs of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.

[Manic]

It's not like magic hasn't been used on Doctor Who before. Remember "The Shakespeare Code"? Nothing but psychic energy, and word-math.

[Kahoot]

David Tennant and John Barrowman have been on Live Earth now. Scottish David is weird to me now.

[Kahoot]

It's not like magic hasn't been used on Doctor Who before. Remember "The Shakespeare Code"? Nothing but psychic energy, and word-math.
Word science. We chose Maths and they chose Words. Stupide but forgivable.

[Lord Valumart]

David Tennant and John Barrowman have been on Live Earth now. Scottish David is weird to me now.

scottish David is awesome...

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't get why the Doctor couldn't just be Scottish after he regenerated.

[Lord Valumart]

lots of planets don;t have a scotland

[TheCorpulent1]

But Tennant's Doctor doesn't really sound like he's from the North, either. :o

[Kahoot]

lots of planets don;t have a scotland
But they do have a North of England :cmad:

The episode with that question was on UKGold today, made me laugh.

Rose: If you are an alien, how come you sound like your from the north?
Doctor: Lots of planets have a north!

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, I liked that line. I miss Eccleston. :(

[Kahoot]

Heh, I liked that line. I miss Eccleston. :(
Eccleston was the best!

David did the Scottish thing in Tooth and Claw and I only really notice he's doing it once he changes back.

[regwec]

I didn't get why the Doctor couldn't just be Scottish after he regenerated.

It would be too annoying.

[Max Shrek]

She very well might not. She is shooting her cash cow Harry Potter precisely because she is tired of writing that kind of thing. She may very well want to write a pure sci-fi.

To be fair, Doctor Who is anything but pure sci-fi. Doctor Who IS magic and fairy tales, under scientific contexts. It's science-fantasy, surely. Now, I'm with the rest of you. If she makes it more HP-magic-like, it definitely wouldn't work and I think she'd probably do something with aliens, but containing her themes from the books. But Doctor Who is about as far from pure sci-fi as you can get for sci-fi.

[Kahoot]

It would be too annoying.
What you trying to say about the Scottish accent? :ninja:

[Lord Valumart]

What you trying to say about the Scottish accent? :ninja:

asfar as i knew it was sexy....

[TheCorpulent1]

I like the Scottish accent a lot more than any English one, especially if it's from an actual Scot and not someone attempting a horrible, cartoonish version of the accent.

[regwec]

Yes, that was my point: she might want to abandon the more mythical elements and draw influences from the opposite pole of Doctor Who's mythos.

Doctor Who's science fiction is generally gibberish, even when it does feature. Everything can seemingly be put to rights by "reversing the polarity" using the sonic screwdriver.

[Max Shrek]

If you guys had to pick 10 episodes of new Who to show to someone who's never seen Who before, and get them to like it, which 10 would you chose? Warning! Episode spoilings!

1. The End of the World. Start off with a bang, literally! What an epic way to begin the show than the planet's demise? Gives you a quick recap of all the important information in Rose and then goes straight into a great story. The villain, Cassandra, is unique and deliciously evil. It's got tons of new and exciting and strange aliens, while at the same time, giving you a brilliant "murder mystery meets Douglas Adams" story. Rose is set up nicely with the phone call to her mom, and the ending, with Chris's extraordinary performance, is magnificent and sets up the arc that will go on for the next 3 years (and possibly longer).

2. Dalek. The most brilliant introduction to the Doctor's greatest enemies (plural, even if only one shows). The Daleks, in theory, could be a hard concept to get across. This pepperpot with a plunger is the deadliest thing in the universe. It takes a story like Dalek to TRULY get across the idea that they are evil incarnate. It starts off, pathetic, like you'd imagine. Someone mocks it for the plunger. Then, they get their skull crushed. After that, it's a non-stop bloodbath with a true monster. Plus, this continues the Time War set-up. We learn who the enemies who killed the Time Lords are and more details. Put that with great acting from Chris and Billie, a hilarious Henry van Statten and you have a winner.

3/4. The Empty Child and the Doctor Dances. Ooooh, Steven (What's His Middle Name?) Moffat, how fandom loves you so. Anyone wondering why Moffat is treated like God should watch this episode. The "enemies," the Empty Child and the Gas-Masked Zombies are some of the scariest enemies Doctor Who has ever produced (in new series terms only behind Choice 9), with "Are you my mummy?" by far the catchiest catch-phrase new Who's created (sorry, "Delete"/"Burn with me"). Plus, Captain Jack. I'm sorry, but Captain Jack has yet to be written as cleverly and as funny as he was in his first two appearances, even after all these years. Fantastic, as the Ninth Doctor would say, who BTW, is at his very best here. Add that to a great performance by Nancy, yummy Rose and some Glenn Miller and you've got perfection.

5. The Parting of the Ways. Going to get some flack for not including Bad Wolf, I know, I know, but that episode is nothing but set up. It's 30 minutes of pop-culture British television references, with everything else merely setting up for the next episode and to be fair, most of that is told in the opening of POTW so I just thought I'd start out with it. After ONE Dalek being presented as an enormous threat now we have an army. Together, under the Emperor, ready to destroy Earth. Not to mention, it's Chris's swan-song, his DW magnum opus in terms of acting. He acts his heart out and we love him for it. Rose is at her very best here too and the emotional parts are of course, extraordinary. It also does a very important thing in explaining regeneration to a new audience. After cheering with the defeat of the Daleks, sighing when the Doctor kisses Rose and takes on the Vortex and crying when he leaves, your new viewer'll be left in shock with one word. "Barcelona."

6. The Girl in the Fireplace. Ah, your friend's first introduction to the god of the Heavens that is David Tennant and with what a story and what a performance! I love the Doctor in this, he's got so many good lines and moments and which David delivers with absolute enjoyment. I really liked him in TCI, New Earth and T&C and loved him in School Reunion, but after this, I fell in love. Between "magic doors," "banana shakes," and such, you love him and his jokes. But then, he gets deadly serious and romantic with Reinette and he's beautiful and then, as he reads the letter at the end, heartbreaking. Sophia Myles is a gorgeous girl who's by far, Who's best female guest star. Billie Piper and Noel Clarke are also fantastic here and there's some awesomely clever plot twists (i.e. SS Madame de Pompadour, etc.). They'll love it. NOTE: Series 2's only story, sadly.

7/8. Human Nature and the Family of Blood. What an interesting story. It's so unlike any of the others on the list and yet so in style that it won't feel like it. A compelling story of a nice, if not a bit plain, teacher from Ireland who is forced to die and become an alien from Gallifrey. This is David's best work in the series by far. The last ep is pretty damn close but he really is at his best here. He makes every scene come alive and especially in the second half makes you cry. And Freema! This will be your person's first introduction to Martha Jones. Not the best introduction to Martha (REALLY sad I couldn't put Smith and Jones on here!) but it does present her, her unrequited love for the Doctor and her strong resolve and love for the human race pretty well. The villains are nasties and all the better for it. Son of Mine and Mother of Mine are too of the best over-the-top villains the new series has had, with "Headmaster, sir, good evening, sir, come to give me a caning, sir, would you like THAT, SIR?!" being a favorite of mine. Put all that together along with the brilliant and sad stuff with Tim (that ending in the present day with him and the watch...) and you get DW's best two-parter probably.

9. Blink. One of the things DW does best is scare you. Up to now, with the exception of possibly the Empty Child/the Doctor Dances (and that will fit more into the category of creeped out), I doubt your new viewer is very scared by anything. That will change when you show them the episode known as Blink. The Weeping Angels are by far the new series's best villains, insanely scary, total out there and fairy tale like, with that quality that makes you believe that anywhere on Earth, right now, there could be a statue ready to strike the second you look away. Terrifying. The plot itself is genius. The new series's first real "time-twisting" story, where everything will make sense in the end. Sally Sparrow is, as everyone says, beautiful, strong and very compelling. An awesome gal for sure. The Doctor and Martha aren't in for very long (their first Doctor-lite) but the time they do get is brilliant ("Four things, well, four things and a lizard...") and anything dealing with timey-wimey pwns and "a ball of wibbley-wobley" has became the instant solution for any kind of time problems.

10. Utopia. As stated, you want to leave them wanting more. So the final part in the final three-parter of Series 3 is fantastic. It's the culmination in an arc that's started since the End of the World. Throughout these 10 episodes, I feel the new viewer will truly sympathize with the "last of the Time Lords" by now and his eternal loneliness. And so when the Professor takes out that small gold watch (after just recently seeing Human Nature), he/she (should) be gasping, finally, realizing the Doctor was wrong (especially since no Gridlock!), there's another! And then when the Time Lord turns out to be evil, the Doctor's greatest enemy (singular)... it should hurt them as much as it hurts the Doctor. Derek Jacobi is jaw-droppingly extraordinary as both as the sweet and kind Yana and the malevolent Master (and Simm's little cameo leaves us wanting A LOT more!). We finally get Jack back and in what a way. We also finally learn all the exposition about what happened to him between POTW and now and why between Girl and Human Nature, Rose is gone and Martha's in her place. It will leave their jaws on the ground, everything finally coming together, three years in the making. And if, after all those episodes... as the Master fades away in the Time and Relative Dimension in Space and the Doctor looks on, hearts obliterated... if they don't go "Where's the next part!" I highly doubt ANYTHING will get them into new Who... just one guy's opinion.

What would you guys choose?

[regwec]

What you trying to say about the Scottish accent? :ninja:

I don't care for it. Personal taste, etc.

[Kahoot]

I like the Scottish accent a lot more than any English one, especially if it's from an actual Scot and not someone attempting a horrible, cartoonish version of the accent.
You trying to say Groundskeeper Willie isn't sexy?

He rock!

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, that was my point: she might want to abandon the more mythical elements and draw influences from the opposite pole of Doctor Who's mythos.

Doctor Who's science fiction is generally gibberish, even when it does feature. Everything can seemingly be put to rights by "reversing the polarity" using the sonic screwdriver.
I've been kind of annoyed at how the sonic screwdriver has been able to do more and more stuff over the course of the series. Unlocking doors and screwing with other technology makes sense--tearing Donna out of the Raknos' webbing except for one bit thick enough to swing from does not.

[Lord Valumart]

Yes, that was my point: she might want to abandon the more mythical elements and draw influences from the opposite pole of Doctor Who's mythos.

Doctor Who's science fiction is generally gibberish, even when it does feature. Everything can seemingly be put to rights by "reversing the polarity" using the sonic screwdriver.

but the fantastic thing about dr who is you can addapt it to your style and still be writing the same thing. one person could be writing it as a scifi heavy epic while another could be writing it as a lighthearted romp but it'll still be debated over for years by fans and hailed and average at best.:woot: :woot:

[Kahoot]

9. Blink. One of the things DW does best is scare you. Up to now, with the exception of possibly the Empty Child/the Doctor Dances (and that will fit more into the category of creeped out), I doubt your new viewer is very scared by anything. That will change when you show them the episode known as Blink. The Weeping Angels are by far the new series's best villains, insanely scary, total out there and fairy tale like, with that quality that makes you believe that anywhere on Earth, right now, there could be a statue ready to strike the second you look away. Terrifying. The plot itself is genius. The new series's first real "time-twisting" story, where everything will make sense in the end. Sally Sparrow is, as everyone says, beautiful, strong and very compelling. An awesome gal for sure. The Doctor and Martha aren't in for very long (their first Doctor-lite) but the time they do get is brilliant ("Four things, well, four things and a lizard...") and anything dealing with timey-wimey pwns and "a ball of wibbley-wobley" has became the instant solution for any kind of time problems.

The BBC Fear Forecasters gave this episode a 5.5 rating ("Off the Scale"). The only other episode with a rating above 5 is "The Impossible Planet", which received a 6 ("Beyond Fear"). A notice for parents was also attached to the top of the page, recommending that parents record the episode and watch it in the daytime with their children, as it was one of the scariest episodes yet. This warning is similar to the warning that was attached for "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances", both of which were also written by Steven Moffat
I don't care for it. Personal taste, etc.
:cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

The Impossible Planet shocked me more than scared me. When the Doctor met the big dude at the end, I was like, "Holy ****. They put Satan in a Doctor Who episode." :eek:

[Lord Valumart]

If you guys had to pick 10 episodes of new Who to show to someone who's never seen Who before, and get them to like it, which 10 would you chose? Warning! Episode spoilings!

Father's Day
Bad Wolf/PotW
Tooth and Claw
Rise/AoS
L&M
Lazarus Experiment(even if it has many many many flaws it's still awesome)
Human Nature/Family of Blood


obvious really

[Kahoot]

I've been kind of annoyed at how the sonic screwdriver has been able to do more and more stuff over the course of the series. Unlocking doors and screwing with other technology makes sense--tearing Donna out of the Raknos' webbing except for one bit thick enough to swing from does not.
I've fine with all the examples there. The Doctor Dances uses it to fix broken bared wire, that doesn't make sense.

[Lord Valumart]

I've fine with all the examples there. The Doctor Dances uses it to fix broken bared wire, that doesn't make sense.

it would if it fused the bits together but it appears to clone it....:csad:

[regwec]

Let's try something else: who were the best new monsters in the last three series?

I loved the design of the clockword droids, as well as the Jadoon, who I think were slighly plagarised from The Fifth Element. The Sycorax were nice if a bit Masters of the Universe. The Ood and the Slitheen seem quite forgettable, on the otherhand.

[Mr. Thing]

I don't care for it. Personal taste, etc.

I don't care for the English accent if I'm honest, so we're on the same boat. It's alright on TV, but in person, it's quite annoying. To me, anyhow. No offence.

[Lord Valumart]

Let's try something else: who were the best new monsters in the last three series?

top 5 or what?:huh: :huh:

[regwec]

I don't care for the English accent if I'm honest, so we're on the same boat. It's alright on TV, but in person, it's quite annoying. To me, anyhow. No offence.

Why would I take offense?

[Mr. Thing]

I think for next season we should have a new big bad enemy for the end of the season, instead of a classic one. Who's with me?

[Lord Valumart]

I think for next season we should have a new big bad enemy for the end of the season, instead of a classic one. Who's with me?

Dave Ross all the way:cmad: :cmad: :up: :up:

[Mr. Thing]

Why would I take offense?

Ah I've said that to an English person before and they went nuts.

[Kahoot]

Let's try something else: who were the best new monsters in the last three series?

I loved the design of the clockword droids, as well as the Jadoon, who I think were slighly plagarised from The Fifth Element. The Sycorax were nice if a bit Masters of the Universe. The Ood and the Slitheen seem quite forgettable, on the otherhand.

Slitheen were made into such a big thing but actually they were quite crap. The Ood looked goob but were boring. Clockword droids are by far my fave.

[regwec]

I think for next season we should have a new big bad enemy for the end of the season, instead of a classic one. Who's with me?

I suppose they went halfway to that by having the (d)evolved humans as The Master's minions. You're right, though. I wouldn't mind seeing The Sycorax or the Jadoon used in another story, either.

[Kahoot]

Dave Ross all the way:up: :up:
Totally Dave Ross :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Lord Valumart]

Totally Dave Ross :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

we should really start a sig thing with Dave Ross....:dry:

[Mr. Thing]

I suppose they went halfway to that by having the (d)evolved humans as The Master's minions. You're right, though. I wouldn't mind seeing The Sycorax or the Jadoon used in another story, either.

The Judoon are interesting. I mean, they're either allies or enemies. They could be used in some exciting ways. The Sycorax were underused in The Christmas Invasion, but that worked well with the story. They're promising and have a great design, so I'd love to see them again.

I'd like a huge new enemy though. Big **** off aliens, that are equal with the Daleks. Hard to beat, but they can be equaled.

[Kahoot]

we should really start a sig thing with Dave Ross....:dry:
I think we should really come up with a story for this guy that so far only has a name.

[Lord Valumart]

I think we should really come up with a story for this guy that so far only has a name.

i have a story for him thats going to be in the fantasy series. 2nd meeting for him, first for the dr. 2nd story with the first meeting for him and 2nd meeting for the dr will be in fantasy series two:cwink:

[Kahoot]

i have a story for him thats going to be in the fantasy series. 2nd meeting for him, first for the dr. 2nd story with the first meeting for him and 2nd meeting for the dr will be in fantasy series two:cwink:
Well, when you post it you'll need to let me know. Also I added something to my sig

[Lord Valumart]

Well, when you post it you'll need to let me know. Also I added something to my sig

don't worry, there will be information a plenty coming your way:cwink:

and good about the sig:up:

[Max Shrek]

I kind of like the sonic screwdriver doing wacky things. There IS a limit however (in Mark Gatiss's story for the 2006 Storybook, the Doctor uses it as a flamethrower, THAT is a misuse of the sonic screwdriver).

[Whirlysplat]

The Judoon are interesting. I mean, they're either allies or enemies. They could be used in some exciting ways. The Sycorax were underused in The Christmas Invasion, but that worked well with the story. They're promising and have a great design, so I'd love to see them again.

I'd like a huge new enemy though. Big **** off aliens, that are equal with the Daleks. Hard to beat, but they can be equaled.

I want Osiran level threats, I want the "gods and daemons" of the Whoverse.

[Kahoot]

I'd like to see the Doctor interact with Unit. It's almost like he's avoiding them for some reason.

[Max Shrek]

I want Osiran level threats, I want the "gods and daemons" of the Whoverse.

See: The Beast. See: Abaddon.

Personally, I love the Judoon. They should totally have the 5-man Judoon squad in a Torchwood episode, after the same threat and them arguing and fighting over who gets to capture him first and who has the authority.

[Max Shrek]

I'd like to see the Doctor interact with Unit. It's almost like he's avoiding them for some reason.

Nah, in AoL/WW3, he's invited to the same place as them before they get killed, in TCI, he's sleep most of the time and in SoD, they're working for the enemy. I'd love to see the Doctor work along side them (BRING THE BRIG BACK!) but I don't think he's been avoiding them.

[Kahoot]

Nah, in AoL/WW3, he's invited to the same place as them before they get killed, in TCI, he's sleep most of the time and in SoD, they're working for the enemy. I'd love to see the Doctor work along side them (BRING THE BRIG BACK!) but I don't think he's been avoiding them.
In AoL/WW3 he just kinda blanks them before they are killed.
In SoD wouldn't he be able to convince his friends that they are being lied to?

[Avalanche]

I don't care for the English accent if I'm honest, so we're on the same boat. It's alright on TV, but in person, it's quite annoying. To me, anyhow. No offence.
Do you know what English accent you're talking about, or are you referring to the English accent as a branching term that encompasses the tens of different accents present within England?

They're all hugely different.

[Max Shrek]

In AoL/WW3 he just kinda blanks them before they are killed.
In SoD wouldn't he be able to convince his friends that they are being lied to?

By 2007 or 2008 or whenever it is in the messed up timeline, I doubt 90% of the UNIT persona were the same as they were in the 70s. Maybe Yates, Benton, but doubt it. The Brig himself was retired in the early 90s! Plus, they were controlled by the tapppity-tap. He couldn't risk being perceived just to possibly get some help because in the 70s or 80s (again, messed up timeline), he used to work for them. The Doctor's perception filter plan worked better in the circumstances, given the knowledge that he had.

[Whirlysplat]

See: The Beast. See: Abaddon.

Personally, I love the Judoon. They should totally have the 5-man Judoon squad in a Torchwood episode, after the same threat and them arguing and fighting over who gets to capture him first and who has the authority.

But that was done terribly compared to pyramids of mars.

[Max Shrek]

But that was done terribly compared to pyramids of mars.

Still, it was done. You didn't specify quality, just that you wanted that. We got that and you didn't like how it was done. They still attempted it.

[Kahoot]

See: The Beast. See: Abaddon.

Personally, I love the Judoon. They should totally have the 5-man Judoon squad in a Torchwood episode, after the same threat and them arguing and fighting over who gets to capture him first and who has the authority.
But the Judoon could land on Earth, that's why the took the hospital to the moon.

[Max Shrek]

But the Judoon could land on Earth, that's why the took the hospital to the moon.

Plenty of ways to get around that. In S&J, that was only said so there could be a reason it was moved to the moon. They could easily come up with some excuse, saying some alien bureaucrat came up with new legislation after the Toclafane incident or something... A throwaway line created that, a throwaway line could deal with it.

[Lord Valumart]

Plenty of ways to get around that. In S&J, that was only said so there could be a reason it was moved to the moon. They could easily come up with some excuse, saying some alien bureaucrat came up with new legislation after the Toclafane incident or something... A throwaway line created that, a throwaway line could deal with it.

no one should remember that...

but no one should remember the time war so sod logic

[Whirlysplat]

Still, it was done. You didn't specify quality, just that you wanted that. We got that and you didn't like how it was done. They still attempted it.

Yes and they failed.

[Kahoot]

no one should remember that...

but no one should remember the time war so sod logic
Was it said that no one shoul remember the Time War? In the 2nd episode a tree know the Doctor was a Time Lord and he's the only Time Lord so shouldn't they be forgoten too?

As for the thing about no one remembering the Toclafane, I hate Deus Ex Machinas like that.

[Max Shrek]

Yes and they failed.

And if they tried again, what makes you think they'd do it better?

Valumart, everyone remembers the introduction to the Toclafane and their assassination of the President and such... everything up to the Paradox Machine.

[Lord Valumart]

Was it said that no one shoul remember the Time War? In the 2nd episode a tree know the Doctor was a Time Lord and he's the only Time Lord so shouldn't they be forgoten too?

As for the thing about no one remembering the Toclafane, I hate Deus Ex Machinas like that.

the time warwas a war that raged through out time thus when people died it's suggested they're deleted from time completely.

but yeh...screw it...logic don;t work with the magical three letters R T and D:csad:

[Kahoot]

And if they tried again, what makes you think they'd do it better?

Valumart, everyone remembers the introduction to the Toclafane and their assassination of the President and such... everything up to the Paradox Machine.
But a Toclafane assassinating the President is a Paradox though...

[Lord Valumart]

And if they tried again, what makes you think they'd do it better?

Valumart, everyone remembers the introduction to the Toclafane and their assassination of the President and such... everything up to the Paradox Machine.

they remember the assasination of the president...how do we know they don;t think it was saxon? i mean they over looked a big spaceship on christmas day, twice in a row, sop window dummies coming to life, big spaceship crashing into big ben, and countless other things and the public are still like "aliens? yeh...green guys from mars? lol"

[Whirlysplat]

And if they tried again, what makes you think they'd do it better?

Valumart, everyone remembers the introduction to the Toclafane and their assassination of the President and such... everything up to the Paradox Machine.


The hope people learn from the mistakes they make. It's better to see the glass half full than half empty.

[Kahoot]

As for the thing about no one remembering the Toclafane, I hate Deus Ex Machinas like that.
Did you ever see the Star Trek: Voager two parter The Year of Hell? That had a Deus Ex Machina just the same, the end was the begining and no one remembered the middle. That suck!

[Max Shrek]

the time warwas a war that raged through out time thus when people died it's suggested they're deleted from time completely.

but yeh...screw it...logic don;t work with the magical three letters R T and D:csad:

RTD's DW makes pseudo-logical sense... and pseudo-logic has always been what DW relied on. Whatever makes for a good story, do that and come up with some nonsense that tricks people into thinking it makes sense. Been doing it sine Hartnell and they're still doing it with Tennant!

[Max Shrek]

they remember the assasination of the president...how do we know they don;t think it was saxon? i mean they over looked a big spaceship on christmas day, twice in a row, sop window dummies coming to life, big spaceship crashing into big ben, and countless other things and the public are still like "aliens? yeh...green guys from mars? lol"

My point had nothing to do with that. My point had to do with the aliens and the Judoon. The humans could've ignored it and the Judoon's bosses didn't. Whatever. All my point was, just because a throwaway line explained why the Judoon couldn't be on Earth doesn't mean they can't make a throwaway line to explain why they can.

[Mr. Thing]

Do you know what English accent you're talking about, or are you referring to the English accent as a branching term that encompasses the tens of different accents present within England?

They're all hugely different.

Well so are Scottish accents. Regwec seems to generalise every Scottish accent into one.

But yeah, I know. Some annoy me more than others, like the Liverpool accent. I just meant the English accent in general, which I know I shouldn't do, but I did.

[Kahoot]

Well so are Scottish accents. Regwec seems to generalise every Scottish accent into one.

But yeah, I know. Some annoy me more than others, like the Liverpool accent. I just meant the English accent in general, which I know I shouldn't do, but I did.
How can you not love the Beatles accent?

[Mr. Thing]

How can you not love the Beatles accent?

I don't mean Beatles Liverpool, I mean Steven Gerrard Liverpool.

[Max Shrek]

*looks at Mr. Thing's location* You wouldn't happen to be running a certain Torchwood 2 would you...? :D

[Gilpesh]

Doctor Who had me at an army of Rhino-humaniod police that stole a hospital and put it on the moon so they could find a vampire.

[Max Shrek]

Doctor Who had me at an army of Rhino-humaniod police that stole a hospital and put it on the moon so they could find a vampire.

It had me at "Run!" :yay:

[Retro]

Am I the only one who thinks Martha is really hot?:heart:

[Kahoot]

Am I the only one who thinks Martha is really hot?:heart:
LV would shoot you down and say yeah you are but I'd tap her. He's no Reinette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_de_Pompadour) — Sophia Myles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Myles) but hey.

[Noir]

Martha is not hott, she is ugly as hell.
I know men that are more woman-like then her.

[Lord Valumart]

Martha is not hott, she is ugly as hell.
I know men that are more woman-like then her.

tate?

[Noir]

No, tate is very lady-like.

Martha on the other hand is so god damn manly its not funny, she looks like a futbol player.

[04nbod]

Doctor Who had me at an army of Rhino-humaniod police that stole a hospital and put it on the moon so they could find a vampire.

Is this the first series of the show you have watched?

[04nbod]

I think for next season we should have a new big bad enemy for the end of the season, instead of a classic one. Who's with me?
you're getting davros and your going to like it:o

[Max Shrek]

No. As stated, the Master serves a fundamental purpose to the mythology of Doctor Who. He is the Moriarty and the archnemesis, while the Daleks and Cybermen are classic monsters. Davros however is simply a mad scientist connected to the Daleks, and when the Daleks are around him, they are infinitely less interesting. I absolutely knew RTD could make a rival Time Lord interesting again and he could probably do it to Davros too, but my biggest point is that bringing Davros back at all defeats his purpose. That was what was so great about Genesis. It showed the Daleks at their finest. They kill the one who created them, because that's what they do. The kill things that create life.

I don't see Davros being brought back in a story with the Daleks that isn't a rehash of Evolution of the Daleks's theme of Daleks killing anything that advances them and without the Daleks, what's the point? Without them, there's nothing special, they could bring back any mad scientist, RTD should create his own. Davros should have stayed dead from Genesis onwards and every time he's brought back, it's like a little bit of the original irony that dies.

BUT... RTD hasn't let me down since and if he brings back Davros, I'm sure I'll love it but in principle, I think it's a bad idea (he's not even near the "icon" quality of the Daleks, Cybermen, or the Master either) and would prefer RTD to create his own brand new nemesis that can be reused for years to come. That's my one real complaint with the new series. Villain wise, what mark will it leave? The Slitheen, the Judoon, the Ood? RTD needs a good recurring villain and/or species for himself. Bring back the Editor, Mr. Finch and Baines too!

[COMPO]

Martha is not hott, she is ugly as hell.
I know men that are more woman-like then her.

What show have you been wtaching? She's gorgeous.

[Manic]

Martha is attractive, but she carries herself a bit like a dude. It's the shoulders, mostly.

[Bastila]

Martha on the other hand is so god damn manly its not funny, she looks like a futbol player.

lol maybe its her jacket which makes her look manly.

First Epsiode 'Rose' was on UKTV gold this morning I like that episode, just the way the Doctor is as well, Rose's mum tries hitting on him ha lol

[Kahoot]

I like the Doctors story about feeling the world flying threw space in the Rose episode.

[Bastila]

I like the Doctors story about feeling the world flying threw space in the Rose episode.

Yeah thats a nice scene and how fast it moves etc.

[regwec]

Well so are Scottish accents. Regwec seems to generalise every Scottish accent into one.

I know, and I probably have a tin ear for the differences. I think I just get fed up with the Edinburgh accent that seems to be on every advert, radio programme, and in every call centre. You can have too much of anything.

[regwec]

No, tate is very lady-like.

Martha on the other hand is so god damn manly its not funny, she looks like a futbol player.

She is actually very feminine and extremely pretty. She has large, feline eyes, a narrow jaw and a voluptuous mouth, so you couldn't describe her as masculine by any means. She also has very high hip/waist definition, which is another female trait.

Not to throw aspursions around, but I think a lot of people probably don't like her because she is black. It is not racist to find different racial features unattractive, but we should avoid ostracism of too general a nature.

[Speedball]

Martha's hot, and Tate is old looking.

[Lord Valumart]

Martha's hot, and Tate is old looking.

nothing wrong with the old womens:cwink:

[Manic]

Tate is at least in MILF territory.

[Lord Valumart]

Tate is at least in MILF territory.

not at least...

if freema came up to me nd said "i want you here and now!!!" i'd be like...no... but if tate did it i'd be like...well...words would not be exchanged...

[Kahoot]

I wouldn't say no to Martha.

[Climperoonie]

Martha rocks.
Donna sucks.
Daleks: HUMAN IS INFERIOR!
Donna: Am I bovvered?
*Donna gets exterminated*
Why couldn't they have got Tom Ellis who played Milligan?

[chamber-music]

not at least...

if freema came up to me nd said "i want you here and now!!!" i'd be like...no... but if tate did it i'd be like...well...words would not be exchanged...

Your a sick, sick man :woot:

[Lord Valumart]

Your a sick, sick man :woot:

i know:word:

[Manic]

Martha rocks.
Donna sucks.
Daleks: HUMAN IS INFERIOR!
Donna: Am I bovvered?
*Donna gets exterminated*
Why couldn't they have got Tom Ellis who played Milligan?
More like...

Dalek: Human is inferior!
Donna: Are you calling my father a wino?
Dalek: What?!
Donna: Are you calling my mum a pikie?
Dalek: Human does not make sense!
Doona: Look! Face! Bovvered? Face! Bovvered? EXTERMINATE! Bovvered? Face? I ain't bovvered!
*Donna gets exterminated*

Ladies and gentlemen, I (an American with little/no comedy experience) just wrote a Lauren Cooper sketch on par with any shown on the Catherine Tate Show. Let that simmer for a second.

[Lord Valumart]

More like...

Dalek: Human is inferior!
Donna: Are you calling my father a wino?
Dalek: What?!
Donna: Are you calling my mum a pikie?
Dalek: Human does not make sense!
Doona: Look! Face! Bovvered? Face! Bovvered? EXTERMINATE! Bovvered? Face? I ain't bovvered!
*Donna gets exterminated*

Ladies and gentlemen, I (an American with little/no comedy experience) just wrote a Lauren Cooper sketch on par with any shown on the Catherine Tate Show. Let that simmer for a second.

yeh but the tate would would fill up about 5 mins worth for the show...

[wobbly]

Am I the only one who thinks Martha is really hot?:heart:

Not at all. I think the lady is stunning.

Anyone who finds Tate hotter than Freema has curious taste to say the least.

[COMPO]

I wouldn't say no to Martha.

Me niether. nor Rose.

Tate is at least in MILF territory.

I wouldn't say that. If you put a bag on her head then, yeah.:cwink:

nothing wrong with the old womens:cwink:

More experience.

[Climperoonie]

OMG! This threads on the second page! Must save Universe from imploding!
*Ahem*
BUUUUMMP!

[Manic]

So... how about those Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood and K-9 and the Elton & Slab-Girlfriend Show?

[SpideyLad]

So... how about those Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood and K-9 and the Elton & Slab-Girlfriend Show?

Torchwood = Awesomeness
Sarah Jane Adventures = The less said about that the better:csad:

[Manic]

I hope the new season of Torchwood finds a freaking balance. Also, as much as I love Noel Clarke, he can't write anymore episodes.

[SpideyLad]

I hope the new season of Torchwood finds a freaking balance. Also, as much as I love Noel Clarke, he can't write anymore episodes.

I loved Torchwood, but I must admit, the show relys too much on sex.

[Speedball]

I loved Torchwood, but I must admit, the show relys too much on sex.
Really...
Do go on...
I've never seen an episode, but now I wanna.

[SpideyLad]

Really...
Do go on...
I've never seen an episode, but now I wanna.

Almost every single episode had some form of gay/lesbian/straight sexual encounter. Which can be expected, since every member of Torchwood in the series appears to be a bi-sexual.

[Bastila]

I loved Torchwood, but I must admit, the show relys too much on sex.


lol and sweaing as well but they are going to tone that down I read.

[Manic]

Gwen's girl-on-girl experience was due to the influence of alien pheromones. She's not bi. She just happened to be standing in the general vicinity of a woman possessed by a sex-crazed alien that feeds off orgasms.

Wow, this show really does rely too heavily on sex.

[SpideyLad]

Gwen's girl-on-girl experience was due to the influence of alien pheromones. She's not bi. She just happened to be standing in the general vicinity of a woman possessed by a sex-crazed alien that feeds off orgasms.

Wow, this show really does rely too heavily on sex.

Yeah but still, everyone else there is a bi.

[COMPO]

is the chinese one Bi or is she just a lesbian?

[SpideyLad]

is the chinese one Bi or is she just a lesbian?

Well, she did do that alien thing....I'd imagine that she's bi.

[Manic]

is the chinese one Bi or is she just a lesbian?
Japanese.

And she was bi. She was in love with Owen, but she ended up in a sexual relationship with a woman possessed by a psychic alien.

God, I think I might've stumbled on a formula to writing an episode of Torchwood.

[SpideyLad]

Japanese.

And she was bi. She was in love with Owen, but she ended up in a sexual relationship with a woman possessed by a psychic alien.

God, I think I might've stumbled on a formula to writing an episode of Torchwood.

All you need to write an episode of Torchwood is a crazy alien that wants sex for something...

[regwec]

It's a waste of an opportunity, really. I love Doctor Who and much of its heritage, but can never sit through an entire episode of Torchwood. It seems a bit like "Carry on Captain!" to me.

[COMPO]

Japanese.

And she was bi. She was in love with Owen, but she ended up in a sexual relationship with a woman possessed by a psychic alien.

Well it was that one from My Family so at least she's a good judge of character.

[04nbod]

a hilarious view of internet fandom- its long but worth it for the funny :o
http://keithtopping.blogspot.com/2007/07/well-its-been-right-funny-old-week-to.html

[The Englishman]

Well it was that one from My Family so at least she's a good judge of character.

Yeah she is worth a jump.:woot:

[04nbod]

Really...
Do go on...
I've never seen an episode, but now I wanna.

2 episodes revolved around lesbian experiances with aliens, jack is doing ianto the tea boy(who i adore!) and gwen is having an affair with her co-worker owen. That is all sex without romance, the best had to have been when we see jack with an old woman he was in love with during the war. He has to pretend he is her lovers son and still visits her :csad: that faerie episode is wonderful IMO

[chamber-music]

Torchwood is just one big alien orgy. I hope that old guy who in the last episode returns. he looks like he could be an intresting villian.

The kid in the village episode who shot gwen was in my year at school.

[Kahoot]

Torchwood is just one big alien orgy. I hope that old guy who in the last episode returns. he looks like he could be an intresting villian.

The kid in the village episode who shot gwen was in my year at school.
If he doesn't show up in Torchwood again, RTD will get him in to Doctor Who before he leaves.

[Whirlysplat]

Tochwood is so badly written, it's almost unwatchable.

[Kahoot]

Tochwood is so badly written, it's almost unwatchable.
:up:

[chamber-music]

You know I can buy into the aliens, time travellers and secret non-goverment agencies. but no way in hell can i believe anything remotely exciting happens in cardiff. Why did they have to set it there.

[Bastila]

You know I can buy into the aliens, time travellers and secret non-goverment agencies. but no way in hell can i believe anything remotely exciting happens in cardiff. Why did they have to set it there.


As of the time rip the Doctor made in season two I think thats why.

[Kahoot]

You know I can buy into the aliens, time travellers and secret non-goverment agencies. but no way in hell can i believe anything remotely exciting happens in cardiff. Why did they have to set it there.
RTD is Welsh and thinks Wales is da sexy!

[Kahoot]

As of the time rip the Doctor made in season two I think thats why.
The time rip was Season 1 episode 3...

[Bastila]

The time rip was Season 1 episode 3...

yeah that one lol couldn't remerber what season lol.

[The Batman]

Does anyone know where i can watch episodes of Dr. Who Confidential?

[Max Shrek]

Torchwood started out pretty crappy, but they DID have two incredible episodes towards the end, Out of Time and Captain Jack Harkness (both written by the same girl who's writing even more for S2, yay!), with a couple more pretty good ones (like They Keep Killing Suzie, which was mature dark, not "adolsecent mature") and RTD and crew basically realized what went wrong. So eagerly await Series 2 of Torchwood. Plus, James "Spike" Marsters (who heavily implied he'd be having some boy-on-boy action, YUM)!

[Kahoot]

Torchwood started out pretty crappy, but they DID have two incredible episodes towards the end, Out of Time and Captain Jack Harkness (both written by the same girl who's writing even more for S2, yay!), with a couple more pretty good ones (like They Keep Killing Suzie, which was mature dark, not "adolsecent mature") and RTD and crew basically realized what went wrong. So eagerly await Series 2 of Torchwood. Plus, James "Spike" Marsters (who heavily implied he'd be having some boy-on-boy action, YUM)!
:wow: What was that?!

[Max Shrek]

:wow: What was that?!

Check out his official site. He's going to be doing at least one episode of Torchwood and apparently, he did a Q&A where he said some things about it might "alienate" some fans and excite others. Knowing Torchwood that's DEFINATELY talking about male-on-male action.

[Kahoot]

Check out his official site. He's going to be doing at least one episode of Torchwood and apparently, he did a Q&A where he said some things about it might "alienate" some fans and excite others. Knowing Torchwood that's DEFINATELY talking about male-on-male action.
Only one episode :( Well that is one episode I guess :)

[Max Shrek]

AT LEAST. We have no idea how many as of right now, just that he went to Cardiff to film for Torchwood. Could be one episode, could be 13. I wonder if he's going to be in the same episode as one of Martha's. Especially if she gets a bigger role. Because it'll be the SECOND time a Buffyverse actor got upstaged by a former companion...:p

[Kahoot]

It will? Gilles didn't get up stanged.

[Max Shrek]

Bah. I loved him, but it was definitely Elizabeth Sladen's episode. Not that I'm complaining there, I love Elizabeth Sladen, but any other episode and Tony Head would've been the huge star.

[Manic]

James Marsters? I'm assuming he'll be dusting off that fake English accent of his.



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As I understand it, Martha is supposed to be 23, right? How do medical degrees work in the UK? Here, you've got to complete 4 years of undergraduate work, another 4 years at medical school, pass an exam, get your degree, and then complete 3 years of residency at a hospital before being official. From the look of things, it seems Martha is in her residency phase, which, for Americans, doesn't start until after completing exams. Also, our doctors are roughly 27 before starting residency.

[chamber-music]

who do you think Martha is gonna get it on with in torchwood. I'm hoping Toshiko. I really hope they kill off Gwen, Owen or Ianto. Those three are so annoying.

[wobbly]

RTD is Welsh and thinks Wales is da sexy!

Plus it's cheaper to film there. Auntie Beeb always counts the pennies :cwink:

[COMPO]

Does anyone know where i can watch episodes of Dr. Who Confidential?

Go to Tv-Links.

[wobbly]

James Marsters? I'm assuming he'll be dusting off that fake English accent of his.


I thought his modern day Spike accent was passable. His wimpy William one from the flashbacks was pretty ropey tho'.



--Added in hours later to avoid a double-post--

As I understand it, Martha is supposed to be 23, right? How do medical degrees work in the UK? Here, you've got to complete 4 years of undergraduate work, another 4 years at medical school, pass an exam, get your degree, and then complete 3 years of residency at a hospital before being official. From the look of things, it seems Martha is in her residency phase, which, for Americans, doesn't start until after completing exams. Also, our doctors are roughly 27 before starting residency.

I'm not entirely sure but afaik our wannabe docs can go straight into medical school at 18 and that takes them around 5 to 6 years to get the degree, the last couple of which will involve a lot of work/studying in an actual hospital (which I think counts as their residency or housemanship) then after they pass all exams they are considered officially as a Doctor or GP ('General Practioner'). They may well have to work some more time in an NHS hospital or practice before they can go off doing private work but I think that's how it works over here.

So if that is right then Martha being 23, a student Doctor and working in a hospital is all correct.

[Kahoot]

who do you think Martha is gonna get it on with in torchwood. I'm hoping Toshiko. I really hope they kill off Gwen, Owen or Ianto. Those three are so annoying.
Kill Owen, I didn't like him. Or Ianto, I don't believe someone who loved a Cyberwoman would turn gay for Jack so fast.

[SpideyLad]

Kill Owen, I didn't like him. Or Ianto, I don't believe someone who loved a Cyberwoman would turn gay for Jack so fast.

Ianto can't die....He can't!:cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

AT LEAST. We have no idea how many as of right now, just that he went to Cardiff to film for Torchwood. Could be one episode, could be 13. I wonder if he's going to be in the same episode as one of Martha's. Especially if she gets a bigger role. Because it'll be the SECOND time a Buffyverse actor got upstaged by a former companion...:p
Martha's going to be on Torchwood? I thought they were actively trying to keep Torchwood and Doctor Who separate. :confused:

[Kahoot]

Good news for UKers with Sky/Cable... UKTV Drama (Sky channel 132) is having a non-stop Doctor Who marathon with old and new doctors alike this weekend starting from 9am Saturday.

[Kahoot]

Martha's going to be on Torchwood? I thought they were actively trying to keep Torchwood and Doctor Who separate. :confused:
They were but I think that really means, The Doctor will never show up in a Torchwood episode.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, not too big a loss anyway. We already know that Jack's loyalty lies with the Doctor more than Torchwood, so any episode where the Doctor comes to Earth and Torchwood is of course tasked with capturing him wouldn't really test those loyalties at all.

Oh, have we ever seen who Jack answers to? It seems like Torchwood Cardiff has absolutely no oversight given the **** that's gone down there without a single word from any higher-ups.

[Manic]

Oh, have we ever seen who Jack answers to? It seems like Torchwood Cardiff has absolutely no oversight given the **** that's gone down there without a single word from any higher-ups.
I was under the impression Torchwood answered directly to the royal family. Queen Victoria started Torchwood, and the institute seems to have kept going all these years outside of Parliamentary control.

[Cyrusbales]

I think it's something that has yet to be explored, keeping mystery, jack did mention he had re-set up torchwood since canary wharf...

[TheCorpulent1]

I was under the impression Torchwood answered directly to the royal family. Queen Victoria started Torchwood, and the institute seems to have kept going all these years outside of Parliamentary control.
But Harriet Jones was in control of Torchwood in Who series 2. She's not a royal, as far as I know. Granted, I don't know much about how her job ties into the royal family vs. Parliament either, since I'm an ignorant American. :o

[04nbod]

harriet jones wasn't meant to know about torchwood. presumably UNIT also pulls strings in its organisation

[04nbod]

have we seen this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/christmas07.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/07/11/47099.shtml

[Kahoot]

have we seen this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/christmas07.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/07/11/47099.shtml
Those boots looks kinda kinky.

[regwec]

As I understand it, Martha is supposed to be 23, right? How do medical degrees work in the UK? Here, you've got to complete 4 years of undergraduate work, another 4 years at medical school, pass an exam, get your degree, and then complete 3 years of residency at a hospital before being official. From the look of things, it seems Martha is in her residency phase, which, for Americans, doesn't start until after completing exams. Also, our doctors are roughly 27 before starting residency.

Here you can begin to study medicine after leaving school (at about 18). The course is between 5 and 7yrs, depending on your previous scientific training. After that, you are effectively on probabtion as a junior doctor, attached to a hospital, for about another 5 yrs.

So Martha is old enough to be a trainee doctor, but only just.

[regwec]

But Harriet Jones was in control of Torchwood in Who series 2. She's not a royal, as far as I know. Granted, I don't know much about how her job ties into the royal family vs. Parliament either, since I'm an ignorant American. :o

In the UK we have this fun constitutional quirk called The Royal Prerogative. Under it, the monarch still officially has the power to declare war, dissolve parliament, make peers etc. But since the Glorious Revolution and The Act of Settlement, the person excersising the power in the Queen (or King's) name has been the Prime Minister. This makes the British Prime Minister one of the most constitutionally powerful figures in the West. For instance, our armed forces still swear loyalty to the Crown rather than to parliament, but the PM acts as surrogate for the Crown, so he can invade a foreign nation without recourse to pariliament (as we saw in the invasion of Iraq).

So in effect, Torchwood could still swear an oath to Queen Elizabeth II, which would be "transferred" to Harriet Jones as PM.

Hey, this is becoming the "explain weird Britain" thread. :yay:

[Manic]

Doesn't the PM have to be sworn in by kissing the Queen's hand or something? In theory, couldn't the Queen seize power by refusing to accept a new PM? Or kicking out the current one?

[Kahoot]

Jimmy Vee is gonna be in Voyage of the Damned, he's the wee guy who played Moxx of Balhoon.

Kylie Minogue's character's name, Astrid, is an anagram of TARDIS. It's also not a 'normal' name, what kinda name is astrid?

[Kahoot]

Doesn't the PM have to be sworn in by kissing the Queen's hand or something? In theory, couldn't the Queen seize power by refusing to accept a new PM? Or kicking out the current one?
There is no real kissing but it is called, kissing the Queen's hand.

[Cyrusbales]

The queen can dissolve parliament whenever she wants...

[regwec]

Not really.

[Max Shrek]

Eh, not too big a loss anyway. We already know that Jack's loyalty lies with the Doctor more than Torchwood, so any episode where the Doctor comes to Earth and Torchwood is of course tasked with capturing him wouldn't really test those loyalties at all.

Oh, have we ever seen who Jack answers to? It seems like Torchwood Cardiff has absolutely no oversight given the **** that's gone down there without a single word from any higher-ups.

A) That may have been true pre-Season 3 finale. But Jack willingly gave up the opportunity to travel with the Doctor in order to be with Torchwood. He said they're his responsibility. Jack and the Doctor may meet again but Torchwood is his number 1 priority right now, even before the Doctor. He flat out states that.

B) Again, see Series 3 finale. Jack himself rebuilt Torchwood after Canary Wharf. He's in charge. Also, about your thing about Torchwood capturing him, Jack says the post-Doomsday Torchwood is in the Doctor's honor. He's not the enemy anymore, he's their hero. The leadership is also kind of implied with Jack's whole "Beyond everything ever made" schtick he says at the beginning of every episode.:p

[Avalanche]

Doesn't the PM have to be sworn in by kissing the Queen's hand or something? In theory, couldn't the Queen seize power by refusing to accept a new PM? Or kicking out the current one?
In theory she could. I reality she couldn't. If the Queen ever tried anything like that she'd be completely stripped of her position. Parliament is elected. The Queen is not.

[regwec]

There have been situations where the monarch invited someone to form a government who hadn't won an election. It happened with Churchill's "national government" of 1945.

If Queen Liz just refused to invite a victorious leader to form a government, it would be difficult to see howhe situation could be resolved. I suppose she could be tried for treason, like her predecessor Charles I. More likely she would just be ignored and the whole affair would be hushed up.

[TheCorpulent1]

In the UK we have this fun constitutional quirk called The Royal Prerogative. Under it, the monarch still officially has the power to declare war, dissolve parliament, make peers etc. But since the Glorious Revolution and The Act of Settlement, the person excersising the power in the Queen (or King's) name has been the Prime Minister. This makes the British Prime Minister one of the most constitutionally powerful figures in the West. For instance, our armed forces still swear loyalty to the Crown rather than to parliament, but the PM acts as surrogate for the Crown, so he can invade a foreign nation without recourse to pariliament (as we saw in the invasion of Iraq).

So in effect, Torchwood could still swear an oath to Queen Elizabeth II, which would be "transferred" to Harriet Jones as PM.

Hey, this is becoming the "explain weird Britain" thread. :yay:
Okay, so I guess Torchwood answering directly to the royals would make sense with Harriet knowing about them, then. Thanks.
Kylie Minogue's character's name, Astrid, is an anagram of TARDIS. It's also not a 'normal' name, what kinda name is astrid?
A German one, I believe. There's a German lady where I work named Astrid.
A) That may have been true pre-Season 3 finale. But Jack willingly gave up the opportunity to travel with the Doctor in order to be with Torchwood. He said they're his responsibility. Jack and the Doctor may meet again but Torchwood is his number 1 priority right now, even before the Doctor. He flat out states that.

B) Again, see Series 3 finale. Jack himself rebuilt Torchwood after Canary Wharf. He's in charge. Also, about your thing about Torchwood capturing him, Jack says the post-Doomsday Torchwood is in the Doctor's honor. He's not the enemy anymore, he's their hero. The leadership is also kind of implied with Jack's whole "Beyond everything ever made" schtick he says at the beginning of every episode.:p
I haven't seen the series 3 finale. I was downloading the episodes as they aired, but I kind of fried my motherboard last month and haven't been able to keep up with the British episodes anymore. It was right before the episode Jack came back in, too. :(

Anyway, I rescind my comments in light of this new stuff. I guess the idea of Jack and the Doctor clashing would work pretty well in Torchwood, then, provided they could find something over which Jack and the Doctor would disagree. Maybe whoever the Doctor's companion is by then could be in danger, and Jack wants to let him/her die for some greater cause while the Doctor refuses to let him sacrifice him/her. That would not only make for a cool conflict between friends, it would also allow the Doctor to really indulge in the darker side as he only could on the more 'mature' (I use that term loosely in light of series 1) Torchwood. Bonus if the companion is Donna, since she admitted the Doctor's dark side terrified her in the Christmas special.

[Kahoot]

A German one, I believe. There's a German lady where I work named Astrid.
So she's not gonna be from Oz or from Britain? Bloody Germans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's not like only Germans can be named "Astrid."

[Manic]

Well, it's not like only Germans can be named "Astrid."
Nonsense. Finding a non-German named Astrid is like finding a non-Brit named Gareth.

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably because "Gareth" is a goofy name that should be reserved for medieval cavalrymen. "Astrid" actually sounds pretty, which is a good enough reason to name a child that as any.

Also, on a totally unrelated note, I just saw The Producers and was surprised to find John Barrowman in it. He has a pretty impressive singing voice. :up:

[regwec]

How many associates watch Doctor Who, Corp? I never imagined it would catch on in the USA, to any great extent. It would be nice if it had a global audience.

[TheCorpulent1]

No one I know watches Doctor Who, actually. I told my friend about it and he downloaded series 1 and 2, but I watched the first episode with him and his fiance and they didn't really seem into it. I doubt they've even watched any more episodes. :o

[wobbly]

There have been situations where the monarch invited someone to form a government who hadn't won an election. It happened with Churchill's "national government" of 1945.

If Queen Liz just refused to invite a victorious leader to form a government, it would be difficult to see how the situation could be resolved. I suppose she could be tried for treason, like her predecessor Charles I. More likely she would just be ignored and the whole affair would be hushed up.

In theory she also has a veto on any bill Parliament attempts to pass as law. Basically, if something gets past the commons and the Lords, she can still stop it becoming law is she wanted to.

Afaik the last time a monarch excercised this right was Queen Anne back in the early 1700's. A more recent example of when it would have been welcomed was with that vile creature Thatcher's outrageous 'Poll Tax'.

[regwec]

In theory she also has a veto on any bill Parliament attempts to pass as law. Basically, if something gets past the commons and the Lords, she can still stop it becoming law is she wanted to.
That's right, she can refuse to put her name to a bill that survives both the Commons and Lords.

Afaik the last time a monarch excercised this right was Queen Anne back in the early 1700's. A more recent example of when it would have been welcomed was with that vile creature Thatcher's outrageous 'Poll Tax'.
Be that as it may, she couldn't have vetoed any of Blair's even more disasterous wars, because, as he was speaking with her voice, she had already implicitly agreed to them. It's a really weird situation.

No one I know watches Doctor Who, actually. I told my friend about it and he downloaded series 1 and 2, but I watched the first episode with him and his fiance and they didn't really seem into it. I doubt they've even watched any more episodes. :o
I feared that it was so. I think that each series is more "glossy" than the last, so perhaps it will eventually attract a broader audience.

[chamber-music]

Doesn't the PM have to be sworn in by kissing the Queen's hand or something? In theory, couldn't the Queen seize power by refusing to accept a new PM? Or kicking out the current one?

She could but I doubt none of them would have the balls to do it.

Nonsense. Finding a non-German named Astrid is like finding a non-Brit named Gareth.

Gareth is a popular name in Australia

How many associates watch Doctor Who, Corp? I never imagined it would catch on in the USA, to any great extent. It would be nice if it had a global audience.

Its shown all around the world and is considered a cult show.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/releaseinfo

[Manic]

Gareth is a popular name in Australia
They're still Commonwealth. They don't count. They even still have a Union Jack inside their flag.

[chamber-music]

They're still Commonwealth. They don't count. They even still have a Union Jack inside their flag.

Thats cause the aussies are our Bro's :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

I feared that it was so. I think that each series is more "glossy" than the last, so perhaps it will eventually attract a broader audience.
It certainly is. I remember watching the first episode of Doctor Who with Eccleston and noting how different the whole thing looked and felt from American sci fi shows. Not so much anymore. Which isn't necessarily good or bad, I think, since every season has had its great eps and its stinkers. But if RTD would finally pull his head out of his ass and find some ways to make it look like the Doctor actually visits planets other than Earth, I think it would be more appealing to a wider fanbase. As it stands, it's basically a time travel show instead of a time/space travel show.

[04nbod]

Well, it's not like only Germans can be named "Astrid."

i think its a beautiful name and its obvious anagram is cool:woot:

[Lord Valumart]

two things

1. damnit RTD and your bastard anagrams:cmad:
2. kinky boots....nice why can;t the women posters were those?

[TheCorpulent1]

When do you ever see our lady posters' footwear? :confused:

[04nbod]

two things

1. damnit RTD and your bastard anagrams:cmad:
2. kinky boots....nice why can;t the women posters were those?

maybe astrid is a tardis like compassion was.

and who says i'm not wearing those boots:oldrazz:

[Lord Valumart]

When do you ever see our lady posters' footwear? :confused:

i dunno...i tend to imagine what posters would look like...and none of them really fit that whole "i dress like a whore" look....which is good i think:huh:

[Lord Valumart]

maybe astrid is a tardis like compassion was.

and who says i'm not wearing those boots:oldrazz:

1. *makes note to kill rtd*
2. you're not a whore...:dry:

[04nbod]

compo didn't know i was a lady until a few hours ago :D

am i manly in my writing? :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Boots don't make a whore. Faux leather boots make a whore.

[04nbod]

2. you're not a whore...:dry:

don't have to be a whore to wear boots like that over jeans.

[TheCorpulent1]

How about wearing boots like that over nothing?

[Lord Valumart]

compo didn't know i was a lady until a few hours ago :D

am i manly in my writing? :p
not in the slightest...unless you were a gay guy...in which case out of my tardis
Boots don't make a whore. Faux leather boots make a whore.
hmm....true...my ex had a pair....
don't have to be a whore to wear boots like that over jeans.
prove it:oldrazz: :cwink:

[Lord Valumart]

How about wearing boots like that over nothing?

thats whore material....

*has the flash backs*

[regwec]

It certainly is. I remember watching the first episode of Doctor Who with Eccleston and noting how different the whole thing looked and felt from American sci fi shows. Not so much anymore. Which isn't necessarily good or bad, I think, since every season has had its great eps and its stinkers. But if RTD would finally pull his head out of his ass and find some ways to make it look like the Doctor actually visits planets other than Earth, I think it would be more appealing to a wider fanbase. As it stands, it's basically a time travel show instead of a time/space travel show.

I think the signs are promising. New Earth parts I and II plus the derelict alien city at the end of the universe both showed what could be achieved with a bit more creative energy.

I would also like the time travelling yarns to go a little further afield. The range of the tardis seems to be 400 years. I would like to see Medieval Europe or 13th dynasty Egypt.

[Max Shrek]

It certainly is. I remember watching the first episode of Doctor Who with Eccleston and noting how different the whole thing looked and felt from American sci fi shows. Not so much anymore. Which isn't necessarily good or bad, I think, since every season has had its great eps and its stinkers. But if RTD would finally pull his head out of his ass and find some ways to make it look like the Doctor actually visits planets other than Earth, I think it would be more appealing to a wider fanbase. As it stands, it's basically a time travel show instead of a time/space travel show.

Um... are you suuuure? DW is the number 1 non-soap fiction program in Britain. That's VERY, VERY wide for the UK and I highly doubt adding an ep on the planet Gahoozid will get more international viewers. Plus, as said, they're working on it. I stand by RTD in saying that if Season 1 had a bunch of eps set on weird, alien planets, it wouldn't get some of the audiences it did. Now it has everything and RTD CAN set it on weird, strange planets (which he's already been doing, as said by regwec) and still keep those viewers.

[Kahoot]

maybe astrid is a tardis like compassion was.
What now?

[Kahoot]

I think the signs are promising. New Earth parts I and II plus the derelict alien city at the end of the universe both showed what could be achieved with a bit more creative energy.

I would also like the time travelling yarns to go a little further afield. The range of the tardis seems to be 400 years. I would like to see Medieval Europe or 13th dynasty Egypt.
I'm not that fussed that we don't get a lot of alien planets coz we do get a few. We do need more new alien planets with more than half a dozen aliens on it.

And why do the alien planets always need to be in the future? There must be some alien planets now that have good storys with no humans.

And yes please more time travelling. It's almost like the TARDIS can only go into the future. Sure there are a few episodes in the past but that's only three or four.

[Max Shrek]

What now?

In the books, the character of Compassion was a humanoid, sentient TARDIS, who was also a companion. Basically, he's saying it's possibly that Kylie is a Type 200 TARDIS or whatever and is a living person.

[Kahoot]

In the books, the character of Compassion was a humanoid, sentient TARDIS, who was also a companion. Basically, he's saying it's possibly that Kylie is a Type 200 TARDIS or whatever and is a living person.
Knowing RTD's love of the books becoming shows it's possible but what use is a humanoid, sentient TARDIS to an TimeLord? How can you get into her to travel? Actually I can think of a few ways but they are all rude.

[Max Shrek]

Knowing RTD's love of the books becoming shows it's possible but what use is a humanoid, sentient TARDIS to an TimeLord? How can you get into her to travel? Actually I can think of a few ways but they are all rude.

I haven't read the books so I'm not sure, but you CAN get inside her.

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... are you suuuure? DW is the number 1 non-soap fiction program in Britain. That's VERY, VERY wide for the UK and I highly doubt adding an ep on the planet Gahoozid will get more international viewers. Plus, as said, they're working on it. I stand by RTD in saying that if Season 1 had a bunch of eps set on weird, alien planets, it wouldn't get some of the audiences it did. Now it has everything and RTD CAN set it on weird, strange planets (which he's already been doing, as said by regwec) and still keep those viewers.
Yeah, it probably would've gotten other audiences. I just think the variety of locales the Doctor has visited so far is relatively boring compared to previous series and other sci fi series. It's all just random time periods--and not even very far-flung time periods for the most part, as regwec noted--and cramped space stations. Not to mention all of the frequent stops back in the present to visit his companions' obnoxious families. It gets a little tedious.

Also, I was talking about American audiences, who I think are a bit spoiled by the Sci Fi Channel and stuff like Battlestar Galactica, which has outrageously awesome special effects and frequently hops from world to world. And, to be fair, more worlds aren't necessarily the only thing that could help Doctor Who in my eyes. A greater focus on some of the lore of the universe would be nice--although, from what I've heard about the last few episodes of series 3, RTD is finally delving into that a lot.

[Manic]

I don't understand why they don't go to more planets on this show. A lack of filming locations is hardly an excuse, what with Stargate reusing the same corner of Vancouver wilderness for 10 years straight.

[Lord Valumart]

I don't understand why they don't go to more planets on this show. A lack of filming locations is hardly an excuse, what with Stargate reusing the same corner of Vancouver wilderness for 10 years straight.

cause they don;t want every planet to look like it has 4 rocks, dust and one dead tree:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Stargate builds a lot of sets and creatively redresses the ones they have, actually. I read somewhere that they built, like, one Goa'uld mothership hallway and just reconfigured the pieces for each shot, so it wound up looking like the Goa'uld ships were these sprawling, massive dungeons when in reality they were like 15 feet worth of walls moved around for each shot. After that, all they really need is one or two CGI shots to establish the ship wherever it may be and to get SG-1 onto it. So, really, a couple of CGI establishing shots, a few different landscapes, and some sets that can be redressed--that's all the BBC would really need to invest in for Doctor Who to have more varied locales.

[regwec]

The BBC is responsible for half of Rome, which looks amazing. In one way it would be nice for them to find an affluent media ally to fund an aesthetic revolution, but I would worry that the programme would lose much of its characteristic oddness in order to suit a more global palette.

I don't really mind if alien planets look a bit rubbish. I accept the limitations of budget and I am prepared to deploy my own imagination. To my mind, much of the universe looking like a quarry is preferable to a sense of trepidation on the part of the Doctor. In any case, a quarry, a camera filter, and some studio sets are all they really need to create an impression of another civilisation.

[TheCorpulent1]

The BBC is responsible for half of Rome, which looks amazing. In one way it would be nice for them to find an affluent media ally to fund an aesthetic revolution, but I would worry that the programme would lose much of its characteristic oddness in order to suit a more global palette.

I don't really mind if alien planets look a bit rubbish. I accept the limitations of budget and I am prepared to deploy my own imagination. To my mind, much of the universe looking like a quarry is preferable to a sense of trepidation on the part of the Doctor. In any case, a quarry, a camera filter, and some studio sets are all they really need to create an impression of another civilisation.
That sums it up nicely. It's not so much that going to other planets would make the show an awesome but expensive extravaganza, it's that the Doctor's total lack of interest in going to any other planets seems uncharacteristic.

[GhostPoet]

Well, there goes my hope he'd be traveling to other planets in the 3rd season. Won't they run out of story ideas sticking to one planet?

[04nbod]

Well, there goes my hope he'd be traveling to other planets in the 3rd season. Won't they run out of story ideas sticking to one planet?

they are barely on present day earth in series 3. only in the opener and parts 2 and 3 of the finale

[regwec]

Much of ep.1 takes place on the Moon, too.

[TwilightPro101]

Yeah, I agree. Series 3 was a year, where they went beyond earth more for a change, which Russell said he was working towards doing more and more as the series goes on.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's good. The Doctor's promises to Rose, Donna, and Martha of "seeing the stars" seemed more like a pipe dream in earlier seasons.

[Lord Valumart]

Yeah, I agree. Series 3 was a year, where they went beyond earth more for a change, which Russell said he was working towards doing more and more as the series goes on.

yeh but RTD is a bastard who lies and cares not for anything the fans care about. case in point, Simm ****ING DIED!!!!!!!:cmad: :cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

That's good. The Doctor's promises to Rose, Donna, and Martha of "seeing the stars" seemed more like a pipe dream in earlier seasons.

i think he only promissed madame de pomfodomfadoomfordor that

[regwec]

Don't get your hopes up: The Doctor still has yet to visit an alien planet with its own culture, aesthetic etc. It's strange, because on occassion we seem to be 99% there, but a narrative device holds us back. For instance, the second visit to new earth showed us a futuristic city state populated partly by the distinctly alien Catpeople. But we have to constantly be reminded that it is still a version of Earth, in some way, as if to prevent us growing too excited. Similarly, the planet on which the survivors live at the end of the universe has an ancient alien archetecture, but the humans are set against feral humans, rather than another species. I don't see why. A couple of prosthetics and a bit of makeup would have given us what we needed.

Edited for spoilerism.

[Lord Valumart]

regwec....how could you....how....could you:csad:

[Max Shrek]

That's good. The Doctor's promises to Rose, Donna, and Martha of "seeing the stars" seemed more like a pipe dream in earlier seasons.

Not really. They DO go to those planets. They talk about them all the time. They're just either off screen or in those hardback novels. As I said, they set it more on Earth to get in bigger audiences (again, I highly doubt the BSG crowd would watch DW just because ep 6 is on La-La-Bweggh instead of Earth) and now, will be going to alien planets more and more as each season progresses. Personally, I couldn't give two craps where it is. Earth, Metabelis 3, Draconia, Skaro, just as long as it gives me a good story, with cool characters and an awesome Doctor, that I can enjoy for 45 minutes, I'm satisfied. I mean, really, if Blink was set on the plan