The "New" Doctor Who

[COMPO]

Freema is hot, Billie Piper looks like she works at ASDA.

If you watch 'the secret diary of a callgirl' on thursday you'll change your mind. :cwink: :woot:

[GhostPoet]

There was a Time War between the Daleks and Time Lords. Details are very ambiguous but it is implied that the Doctor ended the war by exterminating both species supposedly, and destroying Gallifrey in the process!......


You think? I always thought that The Time Lords were responsible for destroying their own planet, possibly by accident while trying to destroy the Daleks. The Doctor managed to escape the blast.

Hmm...I may need to watch the previous seasons a bit more.

[Venom_14]

They sent the doctor back to when dalek life started in order to change their dna to make them less war-like. But while he was gone the daleks won somehow

[GhostPoet]

I say we need a Who movie to explain the whole thing. :)

[Lord Valumart]

You think? I always thought that The Time Lords were responsible for destroying their own planet, possibly by accident while trying to destroy the Daleks. The Doctor managed to escape the blast.

Hmm...I may need to watch the previous seasons a bit more.
the dr was in the eye of the storm...thus saved...
They sent the doctor back to when dalek life started in order to change their dna to make them less war-like. But while he was gone the daleks won somehow

what...:huh:

[GhostPoet]

I guess I don't understand why the doctor would do something that would risk the lives of his people?

[Lord Valumart]

I guess I don't understand why the doctor would do something that would risk the lives of his people?

the daleks are the nazis of space and time...if you had the chance to kill the nazis but kill your own troops in the process wouldn;t you take it so that the rest of the world would be safe from them?

[Savage]

And then he was going to do the same thing to the earthlings so that the other humans out there would be safe.

Man, I am just a much bigger fan of Christopher Eccleston's Doctor. He was funnier, quirkier, and even more badass. I like Tennant's too but this guy, when he got angry it was like both of your parents and your boss yelling at you. You just feel like a complete dumbass. Tennant's just more sarcastic and condescending than anything else.

[Bastila]

Man, I am just a much bigger fan of Christopher Eccleston's Doctor. He was funnier, quirkier, and even more badass. I like Tennant's too but this guy, when he got angry it was like both of your parents and your boss yelling at you. You just feel like a complete dumbass. Tennant's just more sarcastic and condescending than anything else.

I :heart: Eccleston as the Doctor I so wanted him to stay on, he was amazing, I loved that season so much.

[~†~§iX~†~]

You think? I always thought that The Time Lords were responsible for destroying their own planet, possibly by accident while trying to destroy the Daleks. The Doctor managed to escape the blast.


The Doctor says that he destroyted a Dalek fleet and the Time Lords inadvertantly were killed. Combined with his details of the Time War to the Master, saying Gallifrey burnt I can easily imagine him seeing it happen. That and I have a feeling that he might have killed himself (to the point of regeneration) trying to wipe out the Daleks, as in Rose he has not even seen himself in his ninth incarnation.

It carries through Tenant as well in early series 3, where he avoids the subject at all costs with Martha showing his guilty complex!......

[Mister Sinister]

Anyone catch Revenge of the Slitheen today?

[Orko Is King]

Should I get the Sonic Screwdriver LED light or the pen? Which one is more show-accurate?:huh:

[Savage]

Get the light. Though the pen'd probably be of more use.

[~†~§iX~†~]

Should I get the Sonic Screwdriver LED light or the pen? Which one is more show-accurate?:huh:
Forget the LED torch; I have read terrible reviews of how it breaks very quickly. The pen is durable, does the sound effects and comes with the psychic paper. What more could you want?!......

[Max Shrek]

the dr was in the eye of the storm...thus saved...


what...:huh:

He's referring to this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks The start of the Time War.

[chamber-music]

Anyone see Family Guy Star Wars episode special. When Peter/Han Solo jumped to hyper space they played the old Doctor Who opening credits.

[Savage]

Yeah, I mentioned it earlier but I guess I'm the only one. Got a good laugh out of it. That was unexpected. :D

[Lord Valumart]

He's referring to this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks The start of the Time War.

...you really think you have to tell me that?

i was reffering more to the random nature of the starting or the time war stated by the poster

[GhostPoet]

And then he was going to do the same thing to the earthlings so that the other humans out there would be safe.

Man, I am just a much bigger fan of Christopher Eccleston's Doctor. He was funnier, quirkier, and even more badass. I like Tennant's too but this guy, when he got angry it was like both of your parents and your boss yelling at you. You just feel like a complete dumbass. Tennant's just more sarcastic and condescending than anything else.


I think that's why I prefer Tennant more...I don't like the "badass" approach to the Doctor. Condescending to me, is much more in tune with how the Doctor should act to "less intelligent" species. :)

[Orko Is King]

Savage says light, Six says pen. I'm soooo conflicted!

[04nbod]

Anyone catch Revenge of the Slitheen today?

yes! I watched it with my flatmate- she loved it but i thought it was so cheesy. I guess if the kids like it is the main priority though

[Savage]

Savage says light, Six says pen. I'm soooo conflicted!

Well does the pen have a light? If it does then that pretty much breaks the deal. If the pen doesn't have a light and you're just looking for something as close to the prop as possible then get the light.

[Lord Valumart]

Savage says light, Six says pen. I'm soooo conflicted!

get the pen. the light is crappy and breaks with ease. the pen is much more show acurate even if it took them 5 attempts to get it. it's only a bit bigger than the actual prop and they even use it in the show some times for distance shots cause the actual prop is easily broken.

on another note also get the lazer screwdriver:oldrazz:

[Manic]

get the pen. the light is crappy and breaks with ease. the pen is much more show acurate even if it took them 5 attempts to get it. it's only a bit bigger than the actual prop and they even use it in the show some times for distance shots cause the actual prop is easily broken.

on another note also get the lazer screwdriver:oldrazz:
They sell the laser screwdriver? I gotta get one! Who'd have sonic?

[Lord Valumart]

They sell the laser screwdriver? I gotta get one! Who'd have sonic?

yeh...check out the argos price up date thingy...

i got mine, held it up high and shouted "here! come! the drums!" in the staff room at work

[04nbod]

If you watch 'the secret diary of a callgirl' on thursday you'll change your mind. :cwink: :woot:

I saw the first one on ITV.com last thursday. Its so funny and there is a definite air of sadness about it

[Noir]

okay.
Those who don't understand the Time War it goes something like this:
The CIA sent the 4th Doctor to destroy the Daleks.
The Daleks strike back by placing clones in the Time Lord High Council.
President Romana passed an act of "Master Retribution" which gave peace to both sides (and led to the TV movie.)
The something Horrible happened, battle of Arcadia and such.

Doctor Destroyed Time Lords and Daleks by tossing the Eye of Harmony into a supernovae causing a huge burst of energy.

Thats what the Tardis Wikia says.

[Golgo-13]

okay.
Those who don't understand the Time War it goes something like this:
The CIA sent the 4th Doctor to destroy the Daleks.
The Daleks strike back by placing clones in the Time Lord High Council.
President Romana passed an act of "Master Retribution" which gave peace to both sides (and led to the TV movie.)
The something Horrible happened, battle of Arcadia and such.

Doctor Destroyed Time Lords and Daleks by tossing the Eye of Harmony into a supernovae causing a huge burst of energy.

Thats what the Tardis Wikia says.

The CIA..?

[Savage]

Yeah. The CIA? :huh:

[Kahoot]

If you watch 'the secret diary of a callgirl' on thursday you'll change your mind. :cwink: :woot:
I hear that's on ITV2, I might try and download it. British TV is always hard to get.

[Kahoot]

The CIA..?
Celestial Intervention Agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Intervention_Agency

Newbs...

[LexCorp]

Anyone watching the Sarah Jane stuff?

[redmarvel]

yeh...check out the argos price up date thingy...

i got mine, held it up high and shouted "here! come! the drums!" in the staff room at work

:wow: And you're still employed? (jk) :oldrazz:

[Max Shrek]

It's never been confirmed it was the CIA who sent him back. Just speculated...

"Doctor Destroyed Time Lords and Daleks by tossing the Eye of Harmony into a supernovae causing a huge burst of energy." Uh... no. We have no idea how he did it. All we know is that both were wiped out in a great inferno and the Doctor held the trigger.

[Noir]

It's never been confirmed it was the CIA who sent him back. Just speculated...

"Doctor Destroyed Time Lords and Daleks by tossing the Eye of Harmony into a supernovae causing a huge burst of energy." Uh... no. We have no idea how he did it. All we know is that both were wiped out in a great inferno and the Doctor held the trigger.
I'm going by what the Tardis Wikia says.

[Noir]

Coolest almost news ever:

http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=191711&command=displayContent&sourceNode=191710&contentPK=18501174&folderPk=112383&pNodeId=191800

[Lord Valumart]

okay.
Those who don't understand the Time War it goes something like this:
The CIA sent the 4th Doctor to destroy the Daleks.
The Daleks strike back by placing clones in the Time Lord High Council.
President Romana passed an act of "Master Retribution" which gave peace to both sides (and led to the TV movie.)
The something Horrible happened, battle of Arcadia and such.

Doctor Destroyed Time Lords and Daleks by tossing the Eye of Harmony into a supernovae causing a huge burst of energy.

Thats what the Tardis Wikia says.
none of that is confirmed, just spectulation. all we know for fact is that Skaro was destroyed which was duing mccoy's dalek ep so only two dr that we know of have been invovled in the time war...or three...or four...depending on if you count this series dalek eps as part of the war....
:wow: And you're still employed? (jk) :oldrazz:

yes...only one person saw me and she's cool like me...

[SpideyLad]

I'm going by what the Tardis Wikia says.

Yeah...But that's NEVER been confirmed, and Tardis Wikia can probably be edited by anyone with half a brain cell...

[Savage]

Martha is actually...incredibly hot in this episode. :up: I guess it was just the ponytail that wasn't doing her any good.

And The Master is just freakin awesome. :up::D:up:

[Golgo-13]

The Master is one sick mutha****er! :up:

Great ep....very epic. Sad that next week is the last of the season. Any news on next season..or if Tennent is coming back?

Oh, and btw Martha is hot in EVERY ep to me! :D

[Savage]

Oh yeah. Definately an awesome character. I love villains like these. Perfect matches for the hero. Captain America has his Red Skull, Thor has his Loki, Sherlock Holmes has Moriarty, and The Doctor has The Master. Good stuff. Really good stuff. Each Master reflects the current Doctor in some way. I would have loved to see what Eccleston's Master would have looked like.

Only downside is I have that crappy pop song stuck in my head now...Which ironically did not even have drums in it.

[Noir]

I've always thought the Master was a Doctor Mubuse type.

Greatest Villain IMO.

[Punisher RULES]

Man oh man, How great was the Master in the past 2 episodes? I had low expectations especially at the end of Utopia, he seemed too flamboyant to be all that threatening and after watching the last two episodes I was turned on my head and amazed by how great and "alive" of a villian he is now. Very, very entertaining and it's a shame he's dead.

[04nbod]

a new soundtrack is out for series 3 on november 5th
The news of the world and the daily express are running the 'Billie to return to doctor who' story

[Lord Valumart]

isn't there always a "billie to return" story floating about?

still i suppose it would make for a resonably good special...:huh:

[Max Shrek]

The Master is one sick mutha****er! :up:

Great ep....very epic. Sad that next week is the last of the season. Any news on next season..or if Tennent is coming back?

Oh, and btw Martha is hot in EVERY ep to me! :D

Yes. Series 4 will have Donna (from the Runaway Bride) and Martha as companions with Tennant as the Doctor still. Then in 2009, they take a break and instead will have 3 TV movies/specials, starring Tennant, with Series 5 in 2010, but it is unknown if Tennant will be in that.

[Golgo-13]

Yes. Series 4 will have Donna (from the Runaway Bride) and Martha as companions with Tennant as the Doctor still. Then in 2009, they take a break and instead will have 3 TV movies/specials, starring Tennant, with Series 5 in 2010, but it is unknown if Tennant will be in that.

Nice.:yay:

[04nbod]

isn't there always a "billie to return" story floating about?

still i suppose it would make for a resonably good special...:huh:

they ask her all the time but these papers are reporting RTD has sent her scripts and DT is persuading her

[Bastila]

they ask her all the time but these papers are reporting RTD has sent her scripts and DT is persuading her

Oh I hope so, that would be so cool if she did and her and David where great.

[Fry's Girl!!]

a new soundtrack is out for series 3 on november 5th

Like the last one?

Yey, cause I prefer Martha's theme to Rose's one despite my feelings about her.

[Lord Valumart]

they ask her all the time but these papers are reporting RTD has sent her scripts and DT is persuading her

bah!!

a pox on rose returning!!

move on damnit...she's gone...we got sarah jane back we don;t need anymore...:cmad: :cmad:

[Happenstance]

From what ive read they are only asking her back for a 3 episode arc, I think that would be pretty good

[04nbod]

bah!!

a pox on rose returning!!

move on damnit...she's gone...we got sarah jane back we don;t need anymore...:cmad: :cmad:

:ghost:

damn you to hell! :cmad: :cmad:

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=37909

[Kahoot]

Coolest almost news ever:

http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=191711&command=displayContent&sourceNode=191710&contentPK=18501174&folderPk=112383&pNodeId=191800
So good you didn't feel you needed to post it here... :cmad:



http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=37909
TinTin Sucks...

[Bastila]

bah!!

a pox on rose returning!!

move on damnit...she's gone...we got sarah jane back we don;t need anymore...:cmad: :cmad:

You don't mean that LV ! I know you don't! lol.

[Lord Valumart]

:ghost:

damn you to hell! :cmad: :cmad:
bah!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=37909
bah!
You don't mean that LV ! I know you don't! lol.

i do:cmad:

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/02/49473.shtml

They're back.

[Lord Valumart]

damn...the one place no one checks for news...the bbc website...

[04nbod]

TinTin Sucks...

Moffat sucks- its a match made in heaven

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/02/49473.shtml

They're back.

woo hoo:ninja:


I don't care:woot:

[Noir]

Moffat doesn't suck. Blink was genius.

[04nbod]

Moffat doesn't suck. Blink was genius.

he intended it to be scary- it wasn't- it failed.
Have you notice all his villains are the quiet sneak up on you kind?

[GhostPoet]

I agree. Blink was absolute genius and I found it very spooky.

[Lord Valumart]

woo hoo:ninja:


I don't care:woot:

how can you not care...it's better than freaking daleks and CGI macra

[Noir]

he intended it to be scary- it wasn't- it failed.
Have you notice all his villains are the quiet sneak up on you kind?it was a psychological episode. It worked very well. And you cannot say that "Empty Child/Doctor Dances" wasn't just as ****ing amazing and thrilling.

[redmarvel]

I agree. Blink was absolute genius and I found it very spooky.

I'm with you. That and the Empty Child were two of the scariest Who's in my book.

[chamber-music]

I agree. Blink was absolute genius and I found it very spooky.

Co-Signed Mon De Moffat

[04nbod]

how can you not care...it's better than freaking daleks and CGI macra

I've never been interested in the sontarans. I can't think of any villain in doctor who that i really need back other than john simm's master!

it was a psychological episode. It worked very well. And you cannot say that "Empty Child/Doctor Dances" wasn't just as ****ing amazing and thrilling.
I loved the empty child and the doctor dances but girl in the fireplace was crap and blink didn't scare me. I think he needs to work on his villains because whereas they have been OK up to now they have all been 'quiet and stealthy' and i'd like to see how he would deal with a big brash monster like a dalek

[Lord Valumart]

I've never been interested in the sontarans. I can't think of any villain in doctor who that i really need back other than john simm's master!

well he'll probably be back at some point so be happy...

[Noir]

Okay. Seriously.. The Girl in The Fireplace was amazing. It's the Doctor Equal to Torchwood's Captain Jack Harkness.

[Lord Valumart]

the girl in the fireplace had an EXTEREMLY unnessesary, and complelty pointless, love plot that dragged it down beyond the depths on hell.

it did have a good idea, with the spaceship balsting a hole in time and space, the clockwork robots leaps of insane logic, the dr on the horse, but it was ultimately killed by an over bearing love plot that was pointless in the first place since the dr was supposed to be in love with rose as the beach scene was going to tell us, which it thankfully didn;t, cause really he died for her and even prepared he for the regeneration and put up with her mother...

[GhostPoet]

the girl in the fireplace had an EXTEREMLY unnessesary, and complelty pointless, love plot that dragged it down beyond the depths on hell.

it did have a good idea, with the spaceship balsting a hole in time and space, the clockwork robots leaps of insane logic, the dr on the horse, but it was ultimately killed by an over bearing love plot that was pointless in the first place since the dr was supposed to be in love with rose as the beach scene was going to tell us, which it thankfully didn;t, cause really he died for her and even prepared he for the regeneration and put up with her mother...

Boo!
I liked the love plot. :)

[GhostPoet]

I'm with you. That and the Empty Child were two of the scariest Who's in my book.

Oh, heck yeah. Empty Child is right up there too. Creepy little things.

[Noir]

the girl in the fireplace had an EXTEREMLY unnessesary, and complelty pointless, love plot that dragged it down beyond the depths on hell.

it did have a good idea, with the spaceship balsting a hole in time and space, the clockwork robots leaps of insane logic, the dr on the horse, but it was ultimately killed by an over bearing love plot that was pointless in the first place since the dr was supposed to be in love with rose as the beach scene was going to tell us, which it thankfully didn;t, cause really he died for her and even prepared he for the regeneration and put up with her mother...But. Rose loves Micky too, and Micky was stumbling around with her. The Doctor needed someone to "dance" with ;)

[Noir]

Oh, heck yeah. Empty Child is right up there too. Creepy little things.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Theemptychild.jpg

ARE YOU MY MUMMY?

[Bastila]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Theemptychild.jpg

ARE YOU MY MUMMY?


Why did you post that! tis scary lol those episodes always freaked me out lol just the 'mummy' part :ninja:

[04nbod]

well he'll probably be back at some point so be happy...

I hear december will be a good month to be in cardiff ;)

Okay. Seriously.. The Girl in The Fireplace was amazing. It's the Doctor Equal to Torchwood's Captain Jack Harkness.

How can you compare the awesomeness of CJH to the atrocity of TGITF. Its like saying jack was completely out of character and tosh was ignored.:wow:

[04nbod]

But. Rose loves Micky too, and Micky was stumbling around with her. The Doctor needed someone to "dance" with ;)

Rose broke up with mickey like 3 times without the poor man getting the message! Remember it was the doctor who invited mickey onboard- rose didn't want him

[Noir]

Personally. I don't see how you thought the Doctor was out of character? Because he had another love interest other than Rose? You know up to this point he didn't even show interest in love. The mans been through possibly the worst War ever, let him have an extra girl.

[04nbod]

Personally. I don't see how you thought the Doctor was out of character? Because he had another love interest other than Rose? You know up to this point he didn't even show interest in love. The mans been through possibly the worst War ever, let him have an extra girl.

Didn't the entire first season count for anything. I swear people think eccleston just didn't happen. It might have been OK if madame was likable but she was giggling over the kings mistress DYING! Plus look at how the doctor treats rose like a spare part up until the last 5 minutes yes he was out of character.

[Noir]

Didn't the entire first season count for anything. I swear people think eccleston just didn't happen. It might have been OK if madame was likable but she was giggling over the kings mistress DYING! Plus look at how the doctor treats rose like a spare part up until the last 5 minutes yes he was out of character.Seriously love, thats how the boys are. When someone cuter comes along they pay attention to them until the moment really counts.

Eccleston didn't really show "love" towards Rose, he never kissed her, sure there was hints but you know.. that was open to interpretation.

Tom Baker summed it very well when he said:
"Your a very beautiful woman, Probably."


You've also got to take into account that the Doctor really has no set personality his personality is the result of the story. Do you think Pertwee would have loved Rose? Hell I don't even like Rose.

[04nbod]

Seriously love, thats how the boys are. When someone cuter comes along they pay attention to them until the moment really counts.

he's not a boy- he's a man, he should know better. Plus he's a over a thousand years old he should know how women work. Not even on a romance level- he treats her like crap as a friend.

Eccleston didn't really show "love" towards Rose, he never kissed her, sure there was hints but you know.. that was open to interpretation.
there was a reason the parting of the ways ends with a kiss and you know it! RTD doesn't think a kiss can happen without a 'twist'.
as for other instances i can't hope to convince you but here are some comments from the cast and crew
http://community.livejournal.com/oh_she_knows/24038.html

Tom Baker summed it very well when he said:
"Your a very beautiful woman, Probably."

Peter Davison also said that he couldn't put his arm around the female companions just in cast people thought their was hanky panky in the tardis- they are from a different era that doesn't apply these days

You've also got to take into account that the Doctor really has no set personality his personality is the result of the story. Do you think Pertwee would have loved Rose? Hell I don't even like Rose.

I do think three would love rose. She is very like jo in a lot of ways.

[Noir]

Well. What it boils down to is that I think TGITF is a wonderful ep, even if you people think its crap. Its what Doctor Who should be, a companion not in love, robots with a twist, and the Doctor Discovering something new everyday, mainly that love can go either way and in the end doing what right and drifting away.

And, last I checked 9 said he was 900 years old, even if we know better, continuity now states he is 900 not 1 Thousand.

[Noir]

Just watched Torchwood, greatest twist ever:

Jack: I'm cap..
Other Man: I'm Cap..
Jack: Okay, you go first.
Other Man: I'm Captain Jack Harkness..

[LexCorp]

Just watched Torchwood, greatest twist ever:

Jack: I'm cap..
Other Man: I'm Cap..
Jack: Okay, you go first.
Other Man: I'm Captain Jack Harkness..

Yeah it was nice to see the guy he takes his name from.

[Manic]

The last couple episodes of Torchwood don't make up for the ass-hole they portrayed Captain Jack as in every other episode.
"Ianto, go in there and kill your girlfriend, or I'll kill you both!"

[Kahoot]

Moffat sucks- its a match made in heaven
Moffat is the best :cmad:

Every Moffat eppisode is the best of the seasons.



he intended it to be scary- it wasn't- it failed.
Have you notice all his villains are the quiet sneak up on you kind?
The Clockwork men weren't sneaky... They just went for it.

[redmarvel]

Well, they did hide under beds and things like that.

[Kahoot]

Well, they did hide under beds and things like that.
But they weren't trying to kill her then, when she came of age they just went, "F**k it, get the b*tch!"

[Bastila]

Just watched Torchwood, greatest twist ever:

Jack: I'm cap..
Other Man: I'm Cap..
Jack: Okay, you go first.
Other Man: I'm Captain Jack Harkness..

That part was cool, I was like ohhhh whats his real name then?

[04nbod]

And, last I checked 9 said he was 900 years old, even if we know better, continuity now states he is 900 not 1 Thousand.

yes but in utopia he says that boomtown was lifetimes ago. lifetimes plural meaning more than 70 years

[04nbod]

The Clockwork men weren't sneaky... They just went for it.

yes they were. We never knew where they were and all that was there to recognise them was the clock ticking hence why the under the bed scene makes you jump

[Lord Valumart]

Well. What it boils down to is that I think TGITF is a wonderful ep, even if you people think its crap. Its what Doctor Who should be, a companion not in love, robots with a twist, and the Doctor Discovering something new everyday, mainly that love can go either way and in the end doing what right and drifting away.

And, last I checked 9 said he was 900 years old, even if we know better, continuity now states he is 900 not 1 Thousand.

you die now

[Noir]

yes but in utopia he says that boomtown was lifetimes ago. lifetimes plural meaning more than 70 yearsDon't see how thats possible, seeming as how he jumped from one companion to another and Rose certainly didn't look 70 or even 30 and neither does Martha.

[Lord Valumart]

Don't see how thats possible, seeming as how he jumped from one companion to another and Rose certainly didn't look 70 or even 30 and neither does Martha.

he had time between the end of runaway bride and the start of smith and jones...any period of time could have passed

[Noir]

I guess.. Maybe I shall re-watch Smith and Jones and see if there is any mention of past adventure.

[Lord Valumart]

I guess.. Maybe I shall re-watch Smith and Jones and see if there is any mention of past adventure.

he says something like "i wasn;t looking for trouble really, really i wasn;t. but i just sort of noticed ______ and checked myself in here to see what was going on", suggesting he's gotten tired of adventures, or more likely, lone adventures, as when martha joins he gets his aventure seaking side back...

[Noir]

I'm watching girl in the fireplace again.. Watch it again, notice how the Doctor is always trying to get away from Rinette trying to be romantic. Its all her doing the picking up, but he finally gives in once she reads his secrets.

[04nbod]

Don't see how thats possible, seeming as how he jumped from one companion to another and Rose certainly didn't look 70 or even 30 and neither does Martha.

its a show about time travel:huh:

[Noir]

its a show about time travel:huh:
Your right, but you can time travel all you damn want but your not gonna get any younger, from your perspective time will still pass as normally, you'll age normally.. And I highly doubt the Doctor was ready to go on another adventure right after leaving Rose.

[04nbod]

Your right, but you can time travel all you damn want but your not gonna get any younger, from your perspective time will still pass as normally, you'll age normally.. And I highly doubt the Doctor was ready to go on another adventure right after leaving Rose.


the doctor travels for years and years and years and then one day lands in 2006 and meets martha jones. Its just the same as meeting a companion in 1926 or 200BC. The doctor doesn't age normally. He regenerates in each middle aged body that by human standards have at most 40 years? If he did age normally he would continually regenerate because the bodies wear out like the first doctor did

[Noir]

Your right, but I don't see were that fits into continuity, I thought that after he was done Helping Donna he went and investigated the Hospital, or atleast thats what it seemed like.

[04nbod]

Your right, but I don't see were that fits into continuity, I thought that after he was done Helping Donna he went and investigated the Hospital, or atleast thats what it seemed like.

Well thats what big finish does and the books. They look through for these gaps and fill them out. The show can be considered 'selected adventures' IMO

[Noir]

yeah but, you've got to consider that Big Finish hasn't got anything to do with the New Series and all of the 10th Doctor books take place with either Rose or Martha no single journey implying nothing between TRAB and Smith and Jones.

[Kahoot]

yeah but, you've got to consider that Big Finish hasn't got anything to do with the New Series and all of the 10th Doctor books take place with either Rose or Martha no single journey implying nothing between TRAB and Smith and Jones.
Not 100% true... The Sally Sparrow short story doesn't have Rose or Matha.

[Noir]

Not 100% true... The Sally Sparrow short story doesn't have Rose or Matha.wasn't that a short trips?

[Kahoot]

wasn't that a short trips?
Does it matter? It was a trip without Rose or Martha...

[wobbly]

the doctor travels for years and years and years and then one day lands in 2006 and meets martha jones. Its just the same as meeting a companion in 1926 or 200BC. The doctor doesn't age normally. He regenerates in each middle aged body that by human standards have at most 40 years? If he did age normally he would continually regenerate because the bodies wear out like the first doctor did


Here's a question though...The first Doctor was said waay back in his day to be over 900 years old, and over the last few decades, through his subsequent regenerations, his age has been referenced again and again at being over that original 900 mark. This was even mentioned as recently as the 9th Doctor, so this doesn't allow for any of his other forms to have had any unseen extended run (at least no more than a few years here and there) in-between what we have ever seen in any series.

So basically this means the Hartnell Doctor managed to survive for 9 centuries with that one body but in just a few decades since he has gone and eaten up most of his remaining regenerations?

[Manic]

Wikipedia covers the Doc's wacky age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_%28Doctor_Who%29#Age

Basically, nobody can agree on how old he is.

[04nbod]

Here's a question though...The first Doctor was said waay back in his day to be over 900 years old, and over the last few decades, through his subsequent regenerations, his age has been referenced again and again at being over that original 900 mark. This was even mentioned as recently as the 9th Doctor, so this doesn't allow for any of his other forms to have had any unseen extended run (at least no more than a few years here and there) in-between what we have ever seen in any series.

So basically this means the Hartnell Doctor managed to survive for 9 centuries with that one body but in just a few decades since he has gone and eaten up most of his remaining regenerations?

it is always implied that he stayed on gallifrey and started a family until he got tired of the timelords and stole a tardis and went on the run with susan which is where we first meet up with him. His life prior to this remains very shady. Because of his more risky exploits on his travels he gets into 'accidents' that a safe life on gallifrey wouldn't have seen. Look at nine he lasted about a year if we assume 'Rose' is his first adventure! Ten has since not said his age only that 'boomtown' was 'lifetimes' ago.
The audio adventures are made to get extra stories in the gaps. For example peri and 5 between planet of fire and androzani even had another companion on board with them that was never seen on screen

[wobbly]

Wikipedia covers the Doc's wacky age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_%28Doctor_Who%29#Age

Basically, nobody can agree on how old he is.

Thanks for that. I dont know where I got the idea the first doc was always said to be so old but those references do allow for each regeneration since him to have had a decent enough innings.

[Noir]

Here's a question though...The first Doctor was said waay back in his day to be over 900 years old, and over the last few decades, through his subsequent regenerations, his age has been referenced again and again at being over that original 900 mark. This was even mentioned as recently as the 9th Doctor, so this doesn't allow for any of his other forms to have had any unseen extended run (at least no more than a few years here and there) in-between what we have ever seen in any series.

So basically this means the Hartnell Doctor managed to survive for 9 centuries with that one body but in just a few decades since he has gone and eaten up most of his remaining regenerations?Hartnell was never said to be 900. The first recorded mention of his age was Troughton who placed it somewhere in the 3-4 hundreds. Get your facts right wobbly.

[Noir]

it is always implied that he stayed on gallifrey and started a family until he got tired of the timelords and stole a tardis and went on the run with susan which is where we first meet up with him. His life prior to this remains very shady. Because of his more risky exploits on his travels he gets into 'accidents' that a safe life on gallifrey wouldn't have seen. Look at nine he lasted about a year if we assume 'Rose' is his first adventure! Ten has since not said his age only that 'boomtown' was 'lifetimes' ago.
The audio adventures are made to get extra stories in the gaps. For example peri and 5 between planet of fire and androzani even had another companion on board with them that was never seen on screenbut here is the thing, they've never been referenced onscreen and therefore not canon.

[wobbly]

Hartnell was never said to be 900. The first recorded mention of his age was Troughton who placed it somewhere in the 3-4 hundreds. Get your facts right wobbly.

Yup. I already conceded my error a while back. My bad :csad::o

[Noir]

Yup. I already conceded my error a while back. My bad :csad::o
your right, but I love to bask in the glory of other people being wrong.

[wobbly]

your right, but I love to bask in the glory of other people being wrong.

Who doesn't? (no pun intended) :cwink:

[Lord Valumart]

but here is the thing, they've never been referenced onscreen and therefore not canon.

actualy the audio Davros was mentioned on screen...

[Noir]

^Which Ep?

[Lord Valumart]

i dunno, but it's based on a throw away line in either C baker's or McCoy's dalek story...

[Noir]

:dry:

[The Question]

They...they cut out the Scissor Sisters. :csad:

[Golgo-13]

Great Finale.

Does anyone know when the next season starts up again here in the states..?

And could someone explain to be the bit about Jack at the end..it must have been something that happened earlier on in the season, where Jack refers to himself as the poster boy of.....something.....

[The Question]

Great Finale.

Does anyone know when the next season starts up again here in the states..?

And could someone explain to be the bit about Jack at the end..it must have been something that happened earlier on in the season, where Jack refers to himself as the poster boy of.....something.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Faceofboe.jpg

The Face of Boe was a character The Doctor met in the distant future a few times. He was said to be one of the oldest and wisest beings in the universe, and was the one who told The Doctor that he was not alone (predicting The Master's return). The implication is that The Face is in fact a future version of Captain Jack.

[Noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Faceofboe.jpg

The Face of Boe was a character The Doctor met in the distant future a few times. He was said to be one of the oldest and wisest beings in the universe, and was the one who told The Doctor that he was not alone (predicting The Master's return). The implication is that The Face is in fact a future version of Captain Jack.
I just now noticed, he has testicles for hair.

[Damiean Dark]

Dr Who has always been the show that could be imo it has some great writing but it sometimes doesnt quite hit the mark this is common of all tv shows i know but it happens far to often in Dr Who for my liking. also it looks far too low budget i want sets and FX to rival star trek deep space nine/TNG if it had these it would be the best show ever.

[Golgo-13]

Dr Who has always been the show that could be imo it has some great writing but it sometimes doesnt quite hit the mark this is common of all tv shows i know but it happens far to often in Dr Who for my liking. also it looks far too low budget i want sets and FX to rival star trek deep space nine/TNG if it had these it would be the best show ever.

I think that's Dr.Who tradition. Keeping things looking low-budget and somewhat campy. I actually like it.

The shrunken Doctor effects in this past ep looked awesome imo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Faceofboe.jpg

The Face of Boe was a character The Doctor met in the distant future a few times. He was said to be one of the oldest and wisest beings in the universe, and was the one who told The Doctor that he was not alone (predicting The Master's return). The implication is that The Face is in fact a future version of Captain Jack.

Thanks.

[Max Shrek]

Dr Who has always been the show that could be imo it has some great writing but it sometimes doesnt quite hit the mark this is common of all tv shows i know but it happens far to often in Dr Who for my liking. also it looks far too low budget i want sets and FX to rival star trek deep space nine/TNG if it had these it would be the best show ever.

Um... watch "Gridlock" and the exterior of New New York or "Parting of the Ways" with the thousands of Daleks in space. Tell me that looks low budget. And never watching Doctor Who on Sci-Fi. They cut out I Can't Decide! :(

[Noir]

Dr Who has always been the show that could be imo it has some great writing but it sometimes doesnt quite hit the mark this is common of all tv shows i know but it happens far to often in Dr Who for my liking. also it looks far too low budget i want sets and FX to rival star trek deep space nine/TNG if it had these it would be the best show ever.
...so your point basicly says: "I don't like Doctor Who because its not perdy."

Listen, us as fans have came to respect story over effects. Hell looking back on some of the greatest stories of all time they didn't have top notch sets or anything but there hearts (count 'em 2) were in the right place. Even the most feared creatures are nothing more than Traffic Barrels with Plungers but the way the story flows and the way its acted out, it doesn't matter. If you can't accept Doctor Who because it doesn't have as much eye-candy as other series then we don't really want cha.

That of course was IMO.

[DocHoliday]

That was a good finale. The last bit between the Master and the Doctor was brilliant. You put yourself in the Doctor's postion and I think I would have reacted the same way.

[Noir]

idk. I think RTD kinda homoized the Doctor and Master relationship. Listen to the conversation they have on the fone it sounds like a dominatrix sexline.

[The Question]

idk. I think RTD kinda homoized the Doctor and Master relationship. Listen to the conversation they have on the fone it sounds like a dominatrix sexline.

They didn't sound gay. They sounded like best friends, with one of them just happening to be criminally insane.

[Max Shrek]

For all the people who had to watch it on Sci-Fi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGoTxNrhrk0

I'm sorry you missed this.:csad:

[Golgo-13]

For all the people who had to watch it on Sci-Fi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGoTxNrhrk0

I'm sorry you missed this.:csad:

LOL! That made me smile..and angered me at the same time. So your saying that Sci-Fi edites the eps..?

Must buy the dvd then.:csad:

The actor that plays The Master is an awesome actor!

[Manic]

Sci-Fi took that scene out?
*hugs his British bootleg*

And yes, Sci-Fi sometimes edits scenes out of Doctor Who. "Last of the Time Lords" runs almost 10 minutes longer than your average Who episode. They can get away with that in the UK because (apparently) the BBC has no commercial breaks. Something to do with paying a TV license tax or something. The Sci-Fi Channel, on the other hand, sells far too much ad space to Enzyte, and it looks like they had to take a few minutes out of the episode to make room for more "natural male enhancement."

[Bastila]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Faceofboe.jpg

The Face of Boe was a character The Doctor met in the distant future a few times. He was said to be one of the oldest and wisest beings in the universe, and was the one who told The Doctor that he was not alone (predicting The Master's return). The implication is that The Face is in fact a future version of Captain Jack.


See this is what I don't get how does Jack become some huge face and werid things then stuck in a jar lol write how that happens RTD and I'll be happy, but for now I am like what and how? lol.

[The Question]

See this is what I don't get how does Jack become some huge face and werid things then stuck in a jar lol write how that happens RTD and I'll be happy, but for now I am like what and how? lol.

That happens over one million years in the future. Crazy **** can happen in a million years.

[Bastila]

That happens over one million years in the future. Crazy **** can happen in a million years.

Well its going to bug me for a million years then lol.

[Manic]

I still stand by the "the folks back home were making a pun" theory. Jack was the most famous kid to come out of Boeshane, so his neighbors used to call him the "Face of Boe," which I believe every other jackass would follow-up with "you know, like the big ass head from the Silver Devastation! Get it? Get it? Haha!"

[The Question]

I stand by the "Jack eventually becomes the Face of Boe" theory because it's ****ing bad ass.

[Lord Valumart]

I stand by the "Jack eventually becomes the Face of Boe" theory because it's ****ing bad ass.

no it's not

it's sloppy and poorly though out...

[Manic]

no it's not

it's sloppy and poorly though out...
That's where you're wrong. It wasn't thought out at all.

[Lord Valumart]

That's where you're wrong. It wasn't thought out at all.

it was given three sceond of thought by RTD when he wrote the line...thus it was thought out

[Bastila]

That's where you're wrong. It wasn't thought out at all.

lol I thought it was random, but its too many questions really like how and why.

[Manic]

it was given three sceond of thought by RTD when he wrote the line...thus it was thought out
I don't believe RTD thinks when he writes.

[Savage]

When has anything ever really made sense on this show till the Doctor explained it? Really. I mean look at what the Doc turned into when he was age. Maybe it's a natural evolutionary step that we may never know about because we won't get to live that long. I think that it's a pretty cool idea that we all become giant heads with testicles. One could argue that's what we are now. :o

Awesome, awesome, awesome finale. Best way to finish the season. :D Just saw the finale on youtube. Scifi chopped the hell out of it. The Master's awesome and I'm glad he's still alive out there. The writers are...****in' geniuses. I mean to completely hate and love a character so much at the same time and then feel bad when he dies and a sense of both joy and dread to know he's still out there, that's just good stuff. I wonder what else they've written.

Don't quite understand how the Doctor came back but that's what Wikipedia is for.

[Lord Valumart]

I don't believe RTD thinks when he writes.

i'm almost 100% he never has...New Earth proves this

[Bastila]

it was given three sceond of thought by RTD when he wrote the line...thus it was thought out

I'll drink to that lol its so true.

[Lord Valumart]

I'll drink to that lol its so true.

stop trying to get me drunk so you can have more LV in your life:woot: :oldrazz:

[Bastila]

stop trying to get me drunk so you can have more LV in your life:woot: :oldrazz:

lol nope I got enough thank you.

You want me drunk! lol.

[Manic]

Don't quite understand how the Doctor came back but that's what Wikipedia is for.
*deep breath*

Remember "The Shakespeare Code," and how the Doctor explained that the right combination of words, shapes, and enough psychic energy was the basis of the Witches'/Carrionites' powers? Martha used a year to tell everyone on Earth to say the Doctor's name at the exact same time. Combined with the psychic matricies of the Master's Archangel satellite network (which he used to hypnotize everyone into loving him), the entire human race's psychic energies were channeled directly to the Doctor, who used all that power to transform himself.

[Lord Valumart]

lol nope I got enough thank you.

You want me drunk! lol.

why would i want you drunk:huh:

[Bastila]

why would i want you drunk:huh:

I don't know you said I wanted you drunk so I said the same to you lol

im too tired been at work all day lol I'm going now you've confussed me lol.

[Savage]

*deep breath*

Remember "The Shakespeare Code," and how the Doctor explained that the right combination of words, shapes, and enough psychic energy was the basis of the Witches'/Carrionites' powers? Martha used a year to tell everyone on Earth to say the Doctor's name at the exact same time. Combined with the psychic matricies of the Master's Archangel satellite network (which he used to hypnotize everyone into loving him), the entire human race's psychic energies were channeled directly to the Doctor, who used all that power to transform himself.

Oh yeah! Makes complete sense now. I wish they explained it better though. It came off slightly cheesy and a bit of a deus ex machina.

[DocHoliday]

I wonder if BBCAmerica cuts out part of the episode.

[The Lizard]

^ It's my understanding that BBCA doesn't edit out anything, not even the naughty bits from Torchwood.

[Manic]

At most, BBCA seems to mute out the F-word. Which takes all the fun out of watching Gordon Ramsay.

[LexCorp]

At most, BBCA seems to mute out the F-word. Which takes all the fun out of watching Gordon Ramsay.

lol

What about sub titles?

[Noir]

BBC America is great for one reason: Hyperdrive.

[Fried Gold]

BBC America is great for one reason: Hyperdrive.You are aware that Hyperdrive is crap, right?

[LexCorp]

You are aware that Hyperdrive is crap, right?

I second that

[Spider-Kid]

Im lookin forward to the chrsitmas special. :up:

[DocHoliday]

Im lookin forward to the chrsitmas special. :up:

Same here. It'll be cool to see the Doctor on the Titanic.

[GhostPoet]

idk. I think RTD kinda homoized the Doctor and Master relationship. Listen to the conversation they have on the fone it sounds like a dominatrix sexline.


Eh...I see what's on YOUR mind.

but to me, it didn't sound that way at all. Why is it everytime two guys sound at all emotional, suddenly it means gay?

[Noir]

Eh...I see what's on YOUR mind.

but to me, it didn't sound that way at all. Why is it everytime two guys sound at all emotional, suddenly it means gay?Because when two guys are emotional with each other it is gay.

[Noir]

I second that

You are aware that Hyperdrive is crap, right?...:csad: I like it. Its a fun no brains show.

[Lord Valumart]

Because when two guys are emotional with each other it is gay.
fail
...:csad: I like it. Its a fun no brains show.

and hyperdrive is funny...

[DocHoliday]

Because when two guys are emotional with each other it is gay.

That is silly bro. They are the last two of their kind in the universe, naturally they have an interesting dynamic toward one another. Was the 9th Doctor gay for the Dalek in "Dalek"?

[Noir]

fail
LV, your telling me didn't get the gay vibe from them? I know they aren't but RTD just.. idk, his writing is so homosexual and he doesn't know it.. or maybe he does which is why he made Queer as Folk?

[Noir]

That is silly bro. They are the last two of their kind in the universe, naturally they have an interesting dynamic toward one another. Was the 9th Doctor gay for the Dalek in "Dalek"?Last time I watched "Dalek" it didn't sound like him and the Dalek were going to have phone sex.

Master: Use my name.
Doctor: master.
Master: Ohh. I like it when you use my name..
and so on.

[Lord Valumart]

LV, your telling me didn't get the gay vibe from them? I know they aren't but RTD just.. idk, his writing is so homosexual and he doesn't know it.. or maybe he does which is why he made Queer as Folk?

i got the old freinds vibe from them...

you're just homophobic

[Noir]

i got the old freinds vibe from them...

you're just homophobicHow can I be homophobic when I'm admittedly bi-sexual?

[Lord Valumart]

How can I be homophobic when I'm admittedly bi-sexual?

two things...

1. i dunno
2. didn;t know that
3. be happy with one

[Noir]

Can't be happy with one, I'm like Captain Jack baby.

[DocHoliday]

How can I be homophobic when I'm admittedly bi-sexual?

Yeah disagreeing with you is one thing. Calling you homophobic is a bit of a stretch, lol. Curious, do you consider Zod and Supes to be homoerotic as well? I just ask because to me it's the same dynamic and I do not get that vibe from either.

[Noir]

Yeah disagreeing with you is one thing. Calling you homophobic is a bit of a stretch, lol. Curious, do you consider Zod and Supes to be homoerotic as well? I just ask because to me it's the same dynamic and I do not get that vibe from either.I don't see it in Supes, but in Zod I always kinda felt like he was BDSM kinda guy, you know controlling and pain for pleasure.

[DocHoliday]

So waht do you guys think about the rumored "Who" film? I am all for it but I don't really want Rose Tyler back. I mean I like Donna and Martha so I understand that different people prefer different companions I just think that the Rose story is sorta finished. As for a movie itself I'd be first in line.

[Noir]

Link to this proposed Who film?

[DocHoliday]

Link to this proposed Who film?


http://gallifreyone.com/news.php?id=seriesnews


Rumors are circulating through the media of a forthcoming Doctor Who movie. Billie Piper, rumored to be set to return as Rose for series four, is now being cited as starring alongside current Doctor David Tennant in the film. "It's all been hushed up ... but yes, it's definitely happening," a source reportedly told the Daily Star. "David and Billie were a superb combination on the small screen, so it seems only right that they appear in the film."

These reports are coming out following a statement made by BBC Head of Fiction Jane Tranter,who recently told Media Guardian that she is keeping the possibility of a Doctor Who film open. Tranter is quoted as saying, "I would not rule out a film version of Doctor Who, no." There has been no announcements regarding the return of Piper or a forthcoming film released by the BBC.

[Lord Valumart]

why the hell can;t people get over rose:huh:

she's just one companion!!!

and you know what? there have been better!!!

[DocHoliday]

why the hell can;t people get over rose:huh:

she's just one companion!!!

and you know what? there have been better!!!

Agreed...and again I mean her story was told and they went through alot to sorta make it definitive. Now the movie rumors and.... The rumor of her and her family in the finale next season. It's a little overkill.

[Lord Valumart]

they brought back SJS, you know why? cause she was freakin awesome...they brought back jack, cause he was freaking awesome...rose was bloody avarage and then annoying...

i'm glad she's stuck in an alt. U with no way of getting back...i hope she gets shot aswell...

[Noir]

I hope she gets molested by Cushing.

[DocHoliday]

they brought back SJS, you know why? cause she was freakin awesome...they brought back jack, cause he was freaking awesome...rose was bloody avarage and then annoying...

i'm glad she's stuck in an alt. U with no way of getting back...i hope she gets shot aswell...

Exactly...I think it's in poor taste to retcon the stuck in the Alt. Universe thing.

[Kahoot]

BBC America is great for one reason: Hyperdrive.
But that show sucks...
You are aware that Hyperdrive is crap, right?
I second that
I third that!

[psychocheeseman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/10/02/49473.shtml

Sorry i know someone already posted the link, but the awesomeness of "Mike the cool Man" being a Sontaran is worthy of being repeated!

[The Question]

I rather liked Rose, and I wouldn't mind seeing her return at all. But it would probably work best as a brief, one time only thing. Still, the one companion I'd like to see return is Susan. In fact, I'd think her return would really lend itself to a film plot. It'd be emotional enough, for sure.

[Noir]

Am the only person of the mind that Susan was just a Gallefrian and not a Time Lord.

[The Question]

Am the only person of the mind that Susan was just a Gallefrian and not a Time Lord.

Isn't that a distinction without a difference?

[Noir]

Isn't that a distinction without a difference?No its been implied that Time Lords are a different spieces from just "Gallefryians"

[The Question]

No its been implied that Time Lords are a different spieces from just "Gallefryians"

Why would The Doctor have a grandaughter of a different speicese? Besides, I thought the non-Time Lord Gallifreans were just a hand full of primitive hunter/gatherer tribes.

[Noir]

Why would The Doctor have a grandaughter of a different speicese? Besides, I thought the non-Time Lord Gallifreans were just a hand full of primitive hunter/gatherer tribes.I know, it doesn't make sense but then again.. Doctor Who doesn't really make alot of sense when your try and decode pre-UEC.

[04nbod]

I rather liked Rose, and I wouldn't mind seeing her return at all. But it would probably work best as a brief, one time only thing. Still, the one companion I'd like to see return is Susan. In fact, I'd think her return would really lend itself to a film plot. It'd be emotional enough, for sure.


I would love to see susan back!

Am the only person of the mind that Susan was just a Gallefrian and not a Time Lord.

I want them to make her half human (or 3/4 human) just for the fandom lol's :woot:

[Max Shrek]

No its been implied that Time Lords are a different spieces from just "Gallefryians"

Yep. It's been implied in non-TV material that Time Lords and Gallifreyians were different, yes, but that Time Lords are a higher social standing of the species, Gallifreyians. Personally, I think neither make sense. If someone asked your species, you'd say "human" not "rich" or "poor." Time Lord is very clearly the SPECIES name, not the social class. And Susan is very clearly of the same species as the Doctor.

And as Lance Parkin says, Doctor Who, in the end, really does make sense. 95% of Doctor Who makes perfect sense in its own little universe, ALL Doctor Who, books, comics, audios, etc., it's just that one little 5% (it'll take every 20-40 or so adventures to get a story that MAY contradict something else; and even that can usually be explained away with any number of throwaway explanations) that everyone keeps arguing and arguing and arguing.

[psychocheeseman]

I would love to see susan back!
I want them to make her half human (or 3/4 human) just for the fandom lol's :woot:

that is the corniest chesiest idea ever....

I think she's too long gone, i mean, is was a while ago now...its only the old fans who remember her. Although it would be funny if they used an Unregenerated Carol Anne Ford, have the whole, older younger person....
But i think it would start to give too much of the Doctor away, he's meant to be an enigma.... It coulod work i spose, but only if she's not around for long enough to give away too many of his secrets.... or just makes overly vague references to stuff... Gotta bring back the mystery of Dr who!

With the whole Gallifrain vs Time lord thing, I always assumed they were the same species, but it was only the time lords who could regenerate (and it was something learnt - ie such mental; control of every cell in the body that they were able to change the phenotype of some cells)
It shows the hypocracy of the time lords with their whole "every thing has its time/Everything dies" kinda thing whilst they themselves prolong their own lives....

[Manic]

I've seen the TV movie, and I want to hear what the more long-term fans think:

The Doctor: Half human, or all Time Lord?

[Kahoot]

I've seen the TV movie, and I want to hear what the more long-term fans think:

The Doctor: Half human, or all Time Lord?
All Time Lord :cmad:

[Noir]

I've seen the TV movie, and I want to hear what the more long-term fans think:

The Doctor: Half human, or all Time Lord?Half Human :csad: no matter what its officially canon now. I love the "I'm half stupid" he said, "On my mother's side."

[Spider-Kid]

Half Human :csad: no matter what its officially canon now. I love the

He's no half human.

[04nbod]

He's half human people! We cant just pick and choose canon that we like or don't like. Mcgann is canon, half human is canon. Both the doctor and the master say it without the other hearing it. That is no coincidence. Its not so bad. It could explain why he always regenerates into a human

[Manic]

It would certainly explain why his are the only regenerations that go awry.

[Lord Valumart]

we can choose canon if we want....just not things that are on film...

anyhow...it all depends on how you think regeneration works...he could have regenerated into a half human form for 8th for whatever reason, or he could have been half human from the start, thus why his regenerations always go a bit wrong...

[04nbod]

we can choose canon if we want....just not things that are on film...

anyhow...it all depends on how you think regeneration works...he could have regenerated into a half human form for 8th for whatever reason, or he could have been half human from the start, thus why his regenerations always go a bit wrong...

As paul cornell says its only 5% of who that contradicts everything else and that is what is always fought over. For me the audio's are canon and the new books the BBC publish are canon. The Virgin new adventures are more vague.

I think it takes a lot of fanwank to make only 8 half human and nothing in the show points to why he would after 7 regenerations suddenly become half human. Plus if he can change species on a more than cosmetic level as the TVM suggests could he regenerate again. What time lord attributes could be missing? You can't change species and stay basically the same as the eighth doctor does.

[Manic]

The 8th Doctor said he was half human on his mother's side, though. His mother was human. He didn't just regenerate into a half-human.

I think the writer of that movie was, in a way, trying to explain the Doctor's love for humanity. He's always spending time on Earth, bragging about Earth art, recruiting human companions (usually). "He likes humans so much because his mum was one."

[LexCorp]

As paul cornell says its only 5% of who that contradicts everything else and that is what is always fought over. For me the audio's are canon and the new books the BBC publish are canon. The Virgin new adventures are more vague.

I think it takes a lot of fanwank to make only 8 half human and nothing in the show points to why he would after 7 regenerations suddenly become half human. Plus if he can change species on a more than cosmetic level as the TVM suggests could he regenerate again. What time lord attributes could be missing? You can't change species and stay basically the same as the eighth doctor does.

A new word to add to my HYPE dictionary

[Kahoot]

He's half human people! We cant just pick and choose canon that we like or don't like. Mcgann is canon, half human is canon. Both the doctor and the master say it without the other hearing it. That is no coincidence. Its not so bad. It could explain why he always regenerates into a human
But the Eye of What's-it-Called isn't in the TARDIS :cmad:



It would certainly explain why his are the only regenerations that go awry.
That we know of... Others might have trouble with regenerations too.

[04nbod]

But the Eye of What's-it-Called isn't in the TARDIS :cmad:


correction - the last time we saw the eye of harmony it wasn't in the tardis. That does not mean it wasn't put there in the meantime. OR that the eye isn't in the tardis and as you cross over the threshold you get transported to gallifrey.

[04nbod]

That we know of... Others might have trouble with regenerations too.

the master didn't and romana did it with ease several times(:cmad:)

[The Englishman]

correction - the last time we saw the eye of harmony it wasn't in the tardis. That does not mean it wasn't put there in the meantime. OR that the eye isn't in the tardis and as you cross over the threshold you get transported to gallifrey.
When was the last time we saw the Eye of Harmony?

[Kahoot]

the master didn't and romana did it with ease several times(:cmad:)
And? Maybe the Doctor is like the Time Lord's version of a left handed person.

[04nbod]

When was the last time we saw the Eye of Harmony?

I'm not a classic series expert and haven't seen them all but the last time i saw it prior to the movie was in 'the deadly assassin'

[The Question]

correction - the last time we saw the eye of harmony it wasn't in the tardis. That does not mean it wasn't put there in the meantime. OR that the eye isn't in the tardis and as you cross over the threshold you get transported to gallifrey.

Or, the Eye in the TARDIS could have been the TARDIS' link to the actual Eye on Gallifrey that it uses to power it's operating systems concerning time/space manipulation, similar to a Green Lantern's individual power battery being a link to the Central Power Battery on Oa.

[Kahoot]

I'm not a classic series expert and haven't seen them all but the last time i saw it prior to the movie was in 'the deadly assassin'
I don't remember it in that one, I think it was the one just before or just after The Deadly Assassin.

[04nbod]

the master was trying to use it in the deadly assassin IIRC

[Jan Irisi]

And? Maybe the Doctor is like the Time Lord's version of a left handed person.

Don't know why, but this post just made me spit coffee all over the place. :woot:

[Kahoot]

Don't know why, but this post just made me spit coffee all over the place. :woot:
Why? Coz leftys are actually spawns of satan? You know it's ture...

My dad's a lefty and my mum's a red head, back in the olde days they were both considered evil, I am the anity christ! :cmad:

[04nbod]

the latin for left handed is 'sinister'

says it all really ;):p

[Bastila]

the latin for left handed is 'sinister'

says it all really ;):p

Your new avvy is so sweet I love it, nice one :up:

[Lord Valumart]

the latin for left handed is 'sinister'

says it all really ;):p

lefty's can do thing differently than the right handed...it's a rather special thing...:wow: :ninja:

[04nbod]

Your new avvy is so sweet I love it, nice one :up:

i nabbed it from LJ. I was gonna put better pics in it because LJ has a limit of 40kb and SHH has 80kb but never got round to it

[Jan Irisi]

Why? Coz leftys are actually spawns of satan? You know it's ture...

My dad's a lefty and my mum's a red head, back in the olde days they were both considered evil, I am the anity christ! :cmad:

Oh, not sure really. I read that after I got home following a grueling night at work, and it was just something that took me by surprise is all. :woot:

But yeah, I see your point about the whole satany/antichrist thing.

(for the record, I do everything but write with my left hand, so I guess that only makes me a part-time evil spawn.)

[The Question]

So, who here has a feeling that they're going to bring back Omega some time soon? I mean, he existed outside of time and space when Gallifrey blew, so he could have easily survived and remained undetected by The Doctor. And he could be a very good villain if he got just half as good a treatment as The Master did.

[Savage]

That's actually a pretty awesome idea. He seems like a cool villain. I need to catch up with more old school Dr. Who.

[The Question]

That's actually a pretty awesome idea. He seems like a cool villain. I need to catch up with more old school Dr. Who.

My only problem is that, once he's free of that other dimension, his motivation is kind of gone. But I guess he could be so far gone with his insanity that he could be a sort of cosmic version of The Joker when he gets out.

[Savage]

The Master was already pretty joker-like though. I mean I relate his whole "Voodoo Child" and "I Can't Decide" sequences to Joker's "Prince" sequences in Batman. Very similar. Even his boardroom scene with the gas. His character was just so delightfully insane and he even had his own Harley Quinn. I wonder if the writers had any basis for this incarnation on The Joker.

[The Question]

The Master was already pretty joker-like though. I mean I relate his whole "Voodoo Child" and "I Can't Decide" sequences to Joker's "Prince" sequences in Batman. Very similar. Even his boardroom scene with the gas. His character was just so delightfully insane and he even had his own Harley Quinn. I wonder if the writers had any basis for this incarnation on The Joker.

True. In fact, I tend to describe The Master as the mind numbingly badass butt-baby of Lex Luthor and The Joker. But my point with the Joker comparison for Omega is that he'd be so far gone from sanity that he can't really be considered a more classical criminal mastermind. No major goals or motives. Just him being tucked away in his own little world and everyone else dealing with the consequences.

[Max Shrek]

As paul cornell says its only 5% of who that contradicts everything else and that is what is always fought over. For me the audio's are canon and the new books the BBC publish are canon. The Virgin new adventures are more vague.

I think it takes a lot of fanwank to make only 8 half human and nothing in the show points to why he would after 7 regenerations suddenly become half human. Plus if he can change species on a more than cosmetic level as the TVM suggests could he regenerate again. What time lord attributes could be missing? You can't change species and stay basically the same as the eighth doctor does.

Well, aside from the fact that IN the movie, the Eighth Doctor says regeneration can change your species. And Destiny of the Daleks' (comedic) regeneration pretty much 100% confirms it. Romana regenerates into a few different species before deciding on Lalla Ward.

[Spider-Kid]

The Master was already pretty joker-like though. I mean I relate his whole "Voodoo Child" and "I Can't Decide" sequences to Joker's "Prince" sequences in Batman. Very similar. Even his boardroom scene with the gas. His character was just so delightfully insane and he even had his own Harley Quinn. I wonder if the writers had any basis for this incarnation on The Joker.

Defintly.

[Kahoot]

So, who here has a feeling that they're going to bring back Omega some time soon? I mean, he existed outside of time and space when Gallifrey blew, so he could have easily survived and remained undetected by The Doctor. And he could be a very good villain if he got just half as good a treatment as The Master did.
Defintly, could be cool.


My only problem is that, once he's free of that other dimension, his motivation is kind of gone. But I guess he could be so far gone with his insanity that he could be a sort of cosmic version of The Joker when he gets out.
Isn't the problem that he doesn't really exist anymore so can't get out?

He'd be really hard to get right but Omega could be cool and could be the answer to bringing the time lords back.

[The Question]

Defintly, could be cool.



Isn't the problem that he doesn't really exist anymore so can't get out?

What do you mean? He existed in another universe when Gallifrey blew. He should be alive and as bat**** insane as ever.

He'd be really hard to get right but Omega could be cool and could be the answer to bringing the time lords back.

I think we should see that a handful of Time Lords survived the war, either by turning into another speicese or escaping to another universe. No more than a few thousand, though. I'd like to see them struggling to keep their civilization together.

[Kahoot]

What do you mean? He existed in another universe when Gallifrey blew. He should be alive and as bat**** insane as ever.

Omega was the one with the big gold head that when he took it off he wasn't really there anymore so he couldn't leave. He only exists coz of his will power in the other universe.

[The Question]

Omega was the one with the big gold head that when he tolk it off he wasn't really there anymore so he couldn't leave. He only exists coz of his will power in the other universe.

I don't remember that. Regardless, his whole goal was getting out. so the big problem with him isn't that. It's what he does afterwards. I could easily see him just being randomly crazy and evil due to his millenia of solitude driving him mad.

[redmarvel]

lefty's can do thing differently than the right handed...it's a rather special thing...:wow: :ninja:

I'll agree with you on that one ;)

[LexCorp]

I'll agree with you on that one ;)

I can use both hands

[04nbod]

Well, aside from the fact that IN the movie, the Eighth Doctor says regeneration can change your species. And Destiny of the Daleks' (comedic) regeneration pretty much 100% confirms it. Romana regenerates into a few different species before deciding on Lalla Ward.

I know he said he can change species. Im arguing that if he did change species then he would be fundamentally different. For example his intelligence or capacity for knowledge comes from his time lord nature right? If he was to change to half human wouldn't that be affected? We saw john smith- although an intelligent man had distinctly had his 'time lord' taken out.

in other news - don't have time to see if this is already posted.
The stowaway is online (http://www.myspace.com/silvascreenrecords)
it will feature at christmas of course!

[Max Shrek]

I know he said he can change species. Im arguing that if he did change species then he would be fundamentally different. For example his intelligence or capacity for knowledge comes from his time lord nature right? If he was to change to half human wouldn't that be affected? We saw john smith- although an intelligent man had distinctly had his 'time lord' taken out.

in other news - don't have time to see if this is already posted.
The stowaway is online (http://www.myspace.com/silvascreenrecords)
it will feature at christmas of course!

Maybe. Romana seemed to be 100% Time Lord in her other bodies. I assume that while external "species" may change, the Time Lord mind and essence is still Time Lord. Hence why the Master is still considered a Time Lord even when he stole other bodies.

[COMPO]

when did the master steal bodies?

[Lord Valumart]

when did the master steal bodies?

TMV...

[Kahoot]

TMV...
TMV? Is that somehow short for TV Movie?

[Captain_BluTac]

i was disapointed with the season finale

[Captain_BluTac]

/\ /\ season 3

[COMPO]

it was amazing!

[Kahoot]

Finnal wasn't as good as the build up to to it... But it was fantastic!

[04nbod]

Maybe. Romana seemed to be 100% Time Lord in her other bodies. I assume that while external "species" may change, the Time Lord mind and essence is still Time Lord. Hence why the Master is still considered a Time Lord even when he stole other bodies.

exactly. both romana and the master were 100% 'time lords' in species no matter what their external appearance was. The master looks human but he is not and so has not changed species. To turn species is more than a cosmetic change

[Max Shrek]

TMV...

Before that too. His Anthony Ainley incarnation was the Doctor's companion Nyssa's father's body.

[Jan Irisi]

*dances around like an idiot*

Beg, borrow or steal, I'll find a way to be with my lover on Christmas day...


Teehee, I really like that little ditty. I really really do.

*dances around some more*

[Captain_BluTac]

i would hateforany more timelords to appear now its bad enough there is always more daleks they shouldnt do it with timelords

[04nbod]

*dances around like an idiot*

Beg, borrow or steal, I'll find a way to be with my lover on Christmas day...


Teehee, I really like that little ditty. I really really do.

*dances around some more*

sshhh...you'll piss off noir and LV! ;)

[Captain_BluTac]

i prefered rose to martha

[Noir]

Please.. lets not get into the Rose/Martha thing again :(

[Noir]

Before that too. His Anthony Ainley incarnation was the Doctor's companion Nyssa's father's body.
on Traken.