The "New" Doctor Who

[Lord Valumart]

It wasn't deadly gas was it? Cos now it's gone off that would mean millions of fatalities in a mid-series episode...

it doesn;t matter....the kids will only care that marthas back....woo...yay...snore....sniffle...cough...tum bleweed....:dry:

[Captain_BluTac]

The Martha clone has got to die.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

I liked tonight's ep of DW, probs the best of the series so far, but that little American brat Ryan Sampson played seemed pointless, as if he was just there to say "these twats are born evil yet have magically learnt the art of silent W's" RTD's anti American ism striks again.:o meh

[04nbod]

The Martha clone has got to die.:o

the doctor will kill martha without realising she was a clone:woot:
What she was acting differently?

[Lord Valumart]

the doctor will kill martha without realising she was a clone:woot:
What she was acting differently?

normal martha - "luv me doktas!!!11!" and strange eye thing when ever she put any "emotion" into anything
clone martha - trying and failing to be bad ass...

so yeh...kinda different...

[Manic]

I liked tonight's ep of DW, probs the best of the series so far, but that little American brat Ryan Sampson played seemed pointless, as if he was just there to say "these twats are born evil yet have magically learnt the art of silent W's" RTD's anti American ism striks again.:o meh
I didn't catch that Ryan Sampson's character was American at first, but when I heard him talk to the Doctor, not only did I notice the American accent (good job, by the way. Better than anything that came from "Daleks in Manhattan"), but the Doctor immediately corrected his English as if to say "You're a Yank. What do you know of the Queen's English?" Not only was there really no point in his character being there, but there was pretty much no point in making him American other than to say "See? It's the Americans who'll destroy this planet!"

So there you go. According to RTD, all Americans are strippers, pigs, hobos, or willing to sacrifice the human race for our own benefit and survival. We're the kid who gassed the world. We're the idiot who fused with a Dalek. We're the jerk who gets killed by the Toclaphane. We're the redneck who chains and antagonizes sleeping Daleks.

[regwec]

Haven't been here in a long while, since the last round of pointless b****ing about Freema left me feeling slightly depressed, and I note that little has changed.

Well, I've enjoyed the series so far, and I'm delighted to see Martha back. I think she is a good foil to the Doctor, intelligent where other companions are merely insubordinate, and absolutely gorgeous.

Right, back to your b****ing! :)

[regwec]

I didn't catch that Ryan Sampson's character was American at first, but when I heard him talk to the Doctor, not only did I notice the American accent (good job, by the way. Better than anything that came from "Daleks in Manhattan"), but the Doctor immediately corrected his English as if to say "You're a Yank. What do you know of the Queen's English?" Not only was there really no point in his character being there, but there was pretty much no point in making him American other than to say "See? It's the Americans who'll destroy this planet!"

So there you go. According to RTD, all Americans are strippers, pigs, hobos, or willing to sacrifice the human race for our own benefit and survival. We're the kid who gassed the world. We're the idiot who fused with a Dalek. We're the jerk who gets killed by the Toclaphane. We're the redneck who chains and antagonizes sleeping Daleks.

I think the Doctor corrected his grammar because he judged that he was arrogant and unused to correction. I don't think the intention was to denounce his speech because he was American.

You are right that there are a lot of unflattering portrayals of Americans in the series, but there are some exceptions. The most notable is Captain Jack, but I also recall the American president from the episodes with The Master being likeable enough. In any case, English people have to put up with the constant stereotype proliferated by Hollywood that we are all sadistic homosexuals. It isn't fun, I know.

[Manic]

Donna is turning out lot better than I thought she would. Tate brings a womanly element to the character, which is a breath of fresh air after all these little girls kept falling for the Doctor. They're also playing up Donna's strengths, which include her stubbornness, heart, and overall desire to learn more. Not to mention the whole bit where she (a temp) thought to check a factory's personnel files.

[Manic]

I think the Doctor corrected his grammar because he judged that he was arrogant and unused to correction. I don't think the intention was to denounce his speech because he was American.

You are right that there are a lot of unflattering portrayals of Americans in the series, but there are some exceptions. The most notable is Captain Jack, but I also recall the American president from the episodes with The Master being likeable enough. In any case, English people have to put up with the constant stereotype proliferated by Hollywood that we are all sadistic homosexuals. It isn't fun, I know.
Jack isn't American. He's from another planet in the future. The accents are just similar.

You might have a point about the "sadistic homosexuals" thing. Of course, Hollywood doesn't do the English nearly as bad as Hong Kong has. If an Englishman shows up in a Hong Kong action film, he's always the villain. He's also probably wearing a really nice suit.

[regwec]

Jack isn't American. He's from another planet in the future. The accents are just similar.
Sure, but subliminally, British audiences think he is an American, just like the Doctor is an honorary Englishman. :yay:

[wobbly]

I didn't catch that Ryan Sampson's character was American at first, but when I heard him talk to the Doctor, not only did I notice the American accent (good job, by the way. Better than anything that came from "Daleks in Manhattan"), but the Doctor immediately corrected his English as if to say "You're a Yank. What do you know of the Queen's English?" Not only was there really no point in his character being there, but there was pretty much no point in making him American other than to say "See? It's the Americans who'll destroy this planet!"

So there you go. According to RTD, all Americans are strippers, pigs, hobos, or willing to sacrifice the human race for our own benefit and survival. We're the kid who gassed the world. We're the idiot who fused with a Dalek. We're the jerk who gets killed by the Toclaphane. We're the redneck who chains and antagonizes sleeping Daleks.

Though I cant dispute American characters have not fared too well in the series, neither have many British characters too: Many have been portrayed as @-holes in one way or another (Harriet Jones, Cassandra, the creator of the alt. universe Cybermen, the sneering Dad in the empty child, the balding boss in the previous Ood episode, etc), and with Daleks in Manhatten it's a little unfair to write off some characters as simply 'strippers', 'pigs' & 'hobos'. The characters themselves, regardless of lack of wealth (it was meant to be in the middle of the great depression after all) , were not in any way evil (other than the appalling accents that is :cwink:)

And in the interests of fairness it should be noted we Brits have spent the last couple of decades watching Hollywood use us as the villain in many a film (that or our actors have been playing them).

[The Englishman]

Haven't been here in a long while, since the last round of pointless b****ing about Freema left me feeling slightly depressed, and I note that little has changed.

Well, I've enjoyed the series so far, and I'm delighted to see Martha back. I think she is a good foil to the Doctor, intelligent where other companions are merely insubordinate, and absolutely gorgeous.

Right, back to your b****ing! :)
Here here i have to agree she is a good companion and i like the even stronger Dr. Martha Jones: Agent of U.N.I.T.
By the way who was the actor playing Unit soldier Ross who travelled with The Doctor. he looks famillier??

[Manic]

And in the interests of fairness it should be noted we Brits have spent the last couple of decades watching Hollywood use us as the villain in many a film (that or our actors have been playing them).
We only do that because deep down we still associate you with "the oppressors." Yes, I know, that was centuries ago, but we Americans are a grudge-holding people. We like our movie villains to be flaming homosexual Brits, boot-clicking German Nazis, mob-connected Italians, borscht-sipping Russian commies, tongue-flapping Arabs, and gun-toting Chinese hitmen. We're a very xenophobic and racist country, and we do a very bad job of hiding it. It's a wonder we have so many immigrants, really.

[chamber-music]

I liked tonight's ep of DW, probs the best of the series so far, but that little American brat Ryan Sampson played seemed pointless, as if he was just there to say "these twats are born evil yet have magically learnt the art of silent W's" RTD's anti American ism striks again.:o meh

I thought he was Northern Irish :huh:

[SpideyLad]

I thought he was Northern Irish :huh:

I was confused with him....He sounded American at some parts, and Irish at others...

[Lord Valumart]

i knew i'd see the evil kid somewhere before....he was in after you've gone...which i liked...but he annoyed the hell outta me in this...

[Captain_BluTac]

"After You've Gone" was good and so was "The Things I Haven't Told You" so really I think it was just a crap character, not a crap actor, I still wanna know why his character is supposed to magically understand how silent W's work, as no offence to any American's, but as of yet I haven't met any that do.:o

[Lord Valumart]

there's way to much random in this story to really understand most of it...like how the sontarans got so short...and why they're going on the sneak attack...the W's aren;t really that much of a problem when you think about how this is gonna end up...

[Captain_BluTac]

In a green gooey blood bath?

[the_ultimate_evil]

Northern Ireland don't consider themselves part of Britain because they're not part of Great Britain! Britain is England, Wales and Scotland. The United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


umm the majority of people have have talked to over the course of my life consider Northern Ireland part of Britain

[regwec]

It is politically part of the United Kingdom, and it is part of The British Commonwealth, but I'm afraid those people are mistaken if they think it is part of Britain. Britain is an island, and a different island from Ireland.

[union_jak]

umm the majority of people have have talked to over the course of my life consider Northern Ireland part of Britain
Then they are confusing GB with UK!!

The title of all the nations is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, but not a part of Great Britain (which is the physical island).

It is politically part of the United Kingdom, and it is part of The British Commonwealth, but I'm afraid those people are mistaken if they think it is part of Britain. Britain is an island, and a different island from Ireland.
Exactly. To make things even more confusing, Britain is just England and Wales, Great Britain is England, Wales and Scotland lol

[Manic]

Okay, I think I got it. Just because something is part of the British Commonwealth, that doesn't make it British. Like Canada or Jamaica.

[04nbod]

on topic. I've taken to doing mock DVD covers (I'm bored, pee off!)

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/04nbod_icons/DVD%20covers/deadbig.png
wallpaper- http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/04nbod_icons/wallpapers/unquietdead.png

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/04nbod_icons/DVD%20covers/rosebig.png
wallpaper- http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/04nbod_icons/wallpapers/rose.png

[The Lizard]

Then they are confusing GB with UK!!

The title of all the nations is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, but not a part of Great Britain (which is the physical island).


Exactly. To make things even more confusing, Britain is just England and Wales, Great Britain is England, Wales and Scotland lol

I didn't mean to stir up a political debate with my comment, sorry. :o I should have just said "English", since my point was that there are more redheads occuring in Ireland and Scotland, therefore most of the ginger-abuse comes from England.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't know "Britain" and "Great Britain" referred to two different groups of countries.

[regwec]

We like to keep things complicated over here. Our national flag is more or less impossible to reproduce properly, too. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

I tried drawing it once. It really is hard to get completely right.

[regwec]

Yes, it's on a par with Superman's insignia as a test of the doodler.

[04nbod]

I can't draw most flags. Its the damn stars!

[The Englishman]

I can't draw most flags. Its the damn stars!
What Stars??... Theres no stars on our flag.....

[Lord Valumart]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/trailermaker/view/7frqjb

:dry:

[04nbod]

What Stars??... Theres no stars on our flag.....

who said there were stars in our flag. I was talking flags in general. Although come to think of it- this isn't hard
http://www.info-poland.com/flagPoland.jpg

[Captain_BluTac]

Most of the British flags are pretty simple, well that's what I always thought.:o

[regwec]

The Union flag isn't, however. The overlay of the insignia of Ulster over the cross of St Andrew is slightly eccentric, and difficult to draw by hand.

[union_jak]

Funny how they forgot to include the Welsh flag in the Union Jack, but it's not a proper country anyway, it's a Principality to England. They might as well add a picture of the Tardis to the flag, it's quite representative of Wales these days :oldrazz:

[regwec]

Well, you're right that there was never any union with Wales. England just absorbed it in the 13th century, so it is controversially represented by the emblem of England. This is reflected in the Royal Standard, too, which has the arms of Scotland, Ireland, and England...twice.

[04nbod]

Funny how they forgot to include the Welsh flag in the Union Jack, but it's not a proper country anyway, it's a Principality to England. They might as well add a picture of the Tardis to the flag, it's quite representative of Wales these days :oldrazz:

wales has the best damn flag of all! Its a DRAGON! that is just too amazing

[IronLion]

http://www.thefullfonty.com/download/full/WalesFlag.gif


its good, i always wondered why it wasnt part of the union flag.

[regwec]

Look two posts above! In any case, there was no standard flag of Wales at the time which it was conquered, nor was it a single polity. You can trace English hegemony over the Welsh back beyond Edward I to Athelstan and Hywel Dda.

Anyway, Doctor Who is great and Freema is yummy. :)

[IronLion]

ok will get back on topic.:yay:

[Captain_BluTac]

"The Poison Sky" looks good,but I'm not looking forward to the Sontaran Hacka tomorrow.

[TheCorpulent1]

Waiting for the stupid Sci Fi Channel to catch up so I can watch Doctor Who legally sucks. :(

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh no you have to wait a couple of weeks, boohoo, if it wasn't for downloading I could't of seen Heroes Volume 2 until last week.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Three weeks. :cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

it's not like thats long...

beside this two parter is sucking hard just now...and ep 6 looks likely to stir up all kinds of hell...

[regwec]

The two parter is actually quite good.

[Captain_BluTac]

I agree Regwec, I was thinking it's definitely above standard so far and from the reviews I've read the second half should be good, I still wanna know why no on though of breaking the car window at the end of the ep though.:o

[Manic]

This is Doctor Who we're talking about. Nothing short of several gun shots from military-grade automatic weapons can shatter car windows. They can't pierce the body of a car at all, though.

That, or Martha bought one damn tough automobile last season.

[Captain_BluTac]

I still think a brick could break the window.:o

[livrule]

I still think a brick could break the window.:o

Indeed.

Or just get that guy from GTA4 to do it with his elbow.

[Gold Samurai]

Three weeks. :cmad:

It's not that long if you don't think about it.

Heck I lost the scifi channel two weeks ago because the cable company screwed up and gave us expanded cable for FOUR years! I do have a source where I can get the latest episodes now :)

When I had scifi I was amazed at the small gap we had with BBC airings and Scifi. It was only two weeks apart!

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm distracting myself with comics and other TV shows. :)

Speaking of comics, I found a pretty weird oddity this week. I picked up Avengers Annual #22 from the back issue box at my shop because it had a story featuring the Black Knight in it. What I didn't realize is that it also had a second story featuring these guys called the Anachronauts (a bunch of characters plucked from time for something or other). In the story, the Anachronauts go searching for a mystical meteor rock, but along the way they stumble onto a plot by a bunch of Dalek-looking machines to destroy the entire space/time continuum. The machines all talk like Daleks too, only they keep chanting "IN-CIN-ER-ATE" instead of "exterminate." They also meet one Dr. Joseph Alphonse Gamble, an ex-employee of the Time Variance Authority and a dead ringer for a Second/Seventh Doctor combination. One of the Anachronauts, upon seeing Gamble, keeps repeating, "Who?!" It was very odd.

[The Question]

Yeah, I'm distracting myself with comics and other TV shows. :)

Speaking of comics, I found a pretty weird oddity this week. I picked up Avengers Annual #22 from the back issue box at my shop because it had a story featuring the Black Knight in it. What I didn't realize is that it also had a second story featuring these guys called the Anachronauts (a bunch of characters plucked from time for something or other). In the story, the Anachronauts go searching for a mystical meteor rock, but along the way they stumble onto a plot by a bunch of Dalek-looking machines to destroy the entire space/time continuum. The machines all talk like Daleks too, only they keep chanting "IN-CIN-ER-ATE" instead of "exterminate." They also meet one Dr. Joseph Alphonse Gamble, an ex-employee of the Time Variance Authority and a dead ringer for a Second/Seventh Doctor combination. One of the Anachronauts, upon seeing Gamble, keeps repeating, "Who?!" It was very odd.

Just references. Not that odd. In Legion of Super Heroes, there was a character for a while who's civilian clothes kept alternating between The Doctor's various outfits from each regeneration.

[Lord Valumart]

i wish to state my instant annoyance at the over all average as hell two parter and at the fact chris from skins gets to touch davisons spawn...i'd kill to touch davison's spawn...

[kez1984]

Pretty poor episode.
Shame, had a great concept, great villain (Christopher Ryan was awesome as General Staal) but it was rubbish, very poorly executed, this could have been one of the best.

[Dr Lee]

Anyone spot the second Rose shot of the season?

[Lord Valumart]

Anyone spot the second Rose shot of the season?

it was two full seconds...it was hard to miss and annoyed me.

they finaly tried to fix the series and shoved rose right into it to **** things up...let her die already...hopefully she gets shot...

[Captain_BluTac]

Well I though the Sontaran episode was good enough to hold my interest, much better than Helen Raynor's last attempt.:o

[Manic]

What was her last attempt?

[Lord Valumart]

Sec's in the City...

it was horrible....

[Captain_BluTac]

So on a more tangenty note, what do you guys think episode 12 will be called?

[Manic]

Sec's in the City...

it was horrible....
She's the bint who wrote the Dalek 2-parter?!
SHE HAS TO DIE! :cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

She's the bint who wrote the Dalek 2-parter?!
SHE HAS TO DIE! :cmad:

yeh...but four daleks in new york trying to figure out how to make new life and the human emotion called love? who wouldn;t watch that for 9 years and then go see a movie about it?:wow:

[Captain_BluTac]

She's the bint who wrote the Dalek 2-parter?!
SHE HAS TO DIE! :cmad:

Way ahead of you *sharpens axe*:o

[union_jak]

I liked the "Are you my mummy?" line.

[Captain_BluTac]

I liked the "Are you my mummy?" line.

I LOL'd.:grin:

[Dr Lee]

Blimey..... I've just googled the name of the girl playing the doctors daughter next week.

Her father is Peter Davidson (I forget which number Dr he was) Which literally does make her the Dr's Daughter:wow:

Was that part of the reason they cast the girl?

[Captain_BluTac]

Blimey..... I've just googled the name of the girl playing the doctors daughter next week.

Her father is Peter Davidson (I forget which number Dr he was) Which literally does make her the Dr's Daughter:wow:

Was that part of the reason they cast the girl?

Most people know about Georgia Moffet, but I dunno if it was the reason she got cast.:o

[Manic]

If the rumors of the Doc's daughter being a genetically engineered life form are true, do you suppose they'll say they used DNA from the Doctor's 5th incarnation?

[Captain_BluTac]

If the rumors of the Doc's daughter being a genetically engineered life form are true, do you suppose they'll say they used DNA from the Doctor's 5th incarnation?

From the preview I'm guessing not.:o

[Manic]

Right. I keep forgetting you guys have already seen that episode's trailer.

I'm "acquiring" The Poison Sky at the moment.

[Lord Valumart]

If the rumors of the Doc's daughter being a genetically engineered life form are true, do you suppose they'll say they used DNA from the Doctor's 5th incarnation?

since the dr is aware of her and recognises her as his daughter i'm going to assmue she's not a dna clone....:cmad::cmad:

[Manic]

Oooh. Joyous news! I'm so glad she's not a clone or some kind of weird.

[Lord Valumart]

Oooh. Joyous news! I'm so glad she's not a clone or some kind of weird.

the goves are off now...:cmad::cmad:

FISTICUFFS DAMNIT!!!:cmad:

[Manic]

You got a problem? I'm a gun-wielding, warmongering American idiot who'd bring about the end of the human race, like RTD portrays us roughly once per series! :cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

it doesn't matter how gun-weilding and idiotic you are....i'll defeat you be being slightly comical, witty and smart...

[Manic]

Not before I endanger the lives of my own employees!

No, wait...

Seriously, what was your problem with me being glad blondie isn't a clone? Is it that "the Doctor is a sexless character" thing? Because I'm one of the bunch who think Susan was really his grandkid.

[Lord Valumart]

apart from the fact that he's stated that he'd know if there were other time lords alive? granted she might not be a timelord, just a bog standard gallifreian, but still... also i don;t like when they take all the mystery away from the dr... thats why the colin baker era sucked, cause you knew everything and then you got that big trial and found out more...then you got mccoy and you got the mystery back, and it was interesting again!

so sure it's fun to find these things out but i'd rather things just hinted at and not 100% set in stone...

[Manic]

The Doctor probably couldn't sense her because she might only be 1/4 Time Lord.

That's right. I said only 1/4.

I'm fine with the reveals of the Doctor's past, so long as we don't find out his real name. I like the teasing, and the fact that not even powerful psychics can find it.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, but by actually seeing his daughter that takes away from the alien-ness of his character imo. sure susan is his grandaughter, but no one said what the dr had...son, daughter, both...the title it's self took away mystery and the eps probably gonna take away anything that was left...

if you look at mccoy's era you just got little bits here and there that suggested the dr might be more than just a timelord...thats what we should have had...little bits throughout the series ending up with the big massive slam in the face of the drs daughter and the 5th dr coming back again for some reason or another... it's to much for a mid series ep to do...but then again i think most of tokyo died in the last ep so who knows:huh:

[black_dust]

Good ep this week i thought some nice lil touches like Rose in the monitor and "Are you my mummy?" line that cracked me up :)

[livrule]

Good ep this week i thought some nice lil touches like Rose in the monitor and "Are you my mummy?" line that cracked me up :)

Agree, it was good ... almost great. In general I think they did the Sontarans justice.

Next week looks very decent and like last series could mark the beginning of a run of quality episodes.

[livrule]

apart from the fact that he's stated that he'd know if there were other time lords alive? granted she might not be a timelord, just a bog standard gallifreian, but still... also i don;t like when they take all the mystery away from the dr... thats why the colin baker era sucked, cause you knew everything and then you got that big trial and found out more...then you got mccoy and you got the mystery back, and it was interesting again!

so sure it's fun to find these things out but i'd rather things just hinted at and not 100% set in stone...

Agree .... Trouble is modern TV viewers NEED in-your-face facts.

Mystery will only get a show so far before it becomes dull for many.

[Lord Valumart]

Agree .... Trouble is modern TV viewers NEED in-your-face facts.

Mystery will only get a show so far before it becomes dull for many.

see i like the mystery element in tv shows. like in journeyman it's never fully explained as to why he travels or why he has to do what he does but it's hinted at several reason why. it's a shame it was cancelled casue i'd like to see what they did with it as time went on...

but shows like lost that have mystery as the main point in the first series then switched to the tactic of "confuse the hell outta everyone and they'll forget about the smoke and the polar bear and keep watching to see if the hint of plot from 5 episodes back surfaces in this ep..." just take it to far. the new series was getting a nice ballance, we never even got gallifrey mentioned until the 2nd christmas special. they gave us tiny bits at a time. now it looks like they'll explode half the fandom into a fit of rage, 1/4 in to confusion, 1/8 into panic and the rest into "hot crakers...i'd do her just so there would be the possibility of getting to touch peter davison..."

i have low hopes for this ep and await the next two parter...

[The Englishman]

Good ep this week i thought some nice lil touches like Rose in the monitor and "Are you my mummy?" line that cracked me up :)
Yes i liked these as well espeicially the "Are you my mummy line", brillient. Also a mention for The Brigadier which was cool, but whys he stranded in Peru???

[the_ultimate_evil]

I liked the "Are you my mummy?" line.

agreed i though cheeky bugger, i didn't mind the 2 parter though i did get annoyed at one thing bullets could go through the sontarian(sp) armour but took a few hits but your going to tell me not one solider could get a head shot on the one with no helmet.

[IronLion]

i missed the 'mummy' line......who, what, where?

[Manic]

When the Doctor first put on the gas mask, he asked "Are you my mummy?" Get it? The Empty Child?

[IronLion]

bloody hell, i missed that, totally. i will have to watch it again. caught the brigadier line, v funny.

[Captain_BluTac]

What brigadier line?

[TheCorpulent1]

I broke down and downloaded the last two episodes. Kind of... all right. The ending of the second part was the most interesting part of the whole thing.

[regwec]

So, the Brigadier disappeared in Peru. Sounds like a plot setup to me!

Thought the two-parter was pretty good, the Sontarans were well realised; and I'm glad that Donna's "family moments" tends to be sufficient to give her more texture, without subjecting us to the endless, tedious, kitchen sink drama we experienced with the Tylers.

Oh, and I could happily watch Freema all day...

Next one looks crap, but fingers crossed!

[SpideyLad]

So, the Brigadier disappeared in Peru. Sounds like a plot setup to me!

Thought the two-parter was pretty good, the Sontarans were well realised; and I'm glad that Donna's "family moments" tends to be sufficient to give her more texture, without subjecting us to the endless, tedious, kitchen sink drama we experienced with the Tylers.

Oh, and I could happily watch Freema all day...

Next one looks crap, but fingers crossed!

He hasn't disappeared, he's merely stuck...

[TheCorpulent1]

The two-parter had a good setup, but the second part fell flat. The big plot twist with the Sontaran's real plan was kind of boring, to be honest.

[IronLion]

Next One Looks Like Its Gonna Be A Bit ****e Really, But We Will See And Hopefully It Wont Be That Bad. Just Thinking, They Said To The Doctor He Hasnt Officially Resigned From Unit, Do You Think This Will Come Into Play And They Use Him For Some Thing?

[Manic]

Next One Looks Like Its Gonna Be A Bit ****e Really, But We Will See And Hopefully It Wont Be That Bad. Just Thinking, They Said To The Doctor He Hasnt Officially Resigned From Unit, Do You Think This Will Come Into Play And They Use Him For Some Thing?
Looks like someone tried to type in all-CAPS.

[TheCorpulent1]

The next one looks like really fun fan-service to me. How well they'll pull it off we won't know until Saturday, but it looks like it could be fun.

[Lord Valumart]

The next one looks like really fun fan-service to me. How well they'll pull it off we won't know until Saturday, but it looks like it could be fun.

you lie!!

YOU LIE!!!!!:cmad::cmad::csad::csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm a little confused about why the Doctor's daughter is so spry and kung fu-ish. That's... kind of an odd choice for a junior Time Lord (Lady?).

[regwec]

Purely because it's derrivative, I think. The notion might have been stolen from Resident Evil, of all places. If there is one thing that bothers me about RTD, it's that he seems to enjoy putting us through different genres in each episode, while subscribing to every convention of the genre and offering little new. This is most evident in his "horror" themed episodes, as with the werewolf and with the naked Event Horizon rip off in series 3.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which one was the Event Horizon ripoff? I don't think I ever saw that movie.

[regwec]

The Impossible Planet.

[Logan's Lady]

What the :huh:

I've been watching season 4..... but us Americans are 2 or 3 weeks behind y'all. I just saw Fires of Pompeii on Friday :dry:

So, what's this about The Doctor having a grandchild?? :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

The Doctor's had a grandchild since the very first episode of the series. Susan, his first companion, was his granddaughter.

[Lord Valumart]

What the :huh:

I've been watching season 4..... but us Americans are 2 or 3 weeks behind y'all. I just saw Fires of Pompeii on Friday :dry:

So, what's this about The Doctor having a grandchild?? :huh:

the dr's always had a granddaughter since the very start of the show...

but now they're gonna explode everything and actually show that the dr has a daughter and piss off a whole bunch of people...

[Logan's Lady]

The Doctor's had a grandchild since the very first episode of the series. Susan, his first companion, was his granddaughter.
Oh... as you can tell I'm a newcomer to the whole Dr Who show :p
I mean I saw a few episodes back Fifth Doctor timeline.. but when I was a little kid.

the dr's always had a granddaughter since the very start of the show..

but now they're gonna explode everything and actually show that the dr has a daughter and piss off a whole bunch of people...
Well it only makes sense that if he had a granddaughter, that he had a son or daughter somewhere that was the parent right?
So, why would it piss people off? :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

People like the mystique of not knowing too much about the Doctor's past. Plus, a lot of people think the Doctor + sex = icky. Which makes sense after 30 years of avoiding any sort of sexual situations between the Doctor and anyone (except maybe Romana, I think, but I haven't seen those episodes so I don't know for sure).

[Lord Valumart]

Well it only makes sense that if he had a granddaughter, that he had a son or daughter somewhere that was the parent right?
So, why would it piss people off? :huh:

cause he's said many many many times this series that his family is dead and that if there were otheres alive he'd be able to tell...i'm not really sure why it annnoys me really but i know it's just wrong...:huh:

[Logan's Lady]

hmm alright.......

and what's this about Rose?
(it really sucks being 3 weeks behind you all) :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Rose has appeared for brief flashes in at least two episodes so far--once at the end of "Partners in Crime," and once on the TARDIS' monitor for an instant in whatever the last episode (that aired in the UK) was called.

[Logan's Lady]

Rose has appeared for brief flashes in at least two episodes so far--once at the end of "Partners in Crime," and once on the TARDIS' monitor for an instant in whatever the last episode (that aired in the UK) was called.

Gosh I really gotta pay more attention.... I watched "Partners in Crime" and I don't remember seeing that part!!
I know..... I fail :(

Anyway, I'll keep my eyes open in a few weeks for the monitor flash of Rose :p

[Lord Valumart]

Rose has appeared for brief flashes in at least two episodes so far--once at the end of "Partners in Crime," and once on the TARDIS' monitor for an instant in whatever the last episode (that aired in the UK) was called.

the poison sky...

and i'm still annoyed that rose is coming back...so very annoyed...

[TheCorpulent1]

Me, too. At least with Martha the sexual tension was all one-way, toward the Doctor. It's just... weird... for the Doctor to be all mushy over a 20-something chick. It gives me a really gross, old-man-and-his-trophy-wife feel.
Gosh I really gotta pay more attention.... I watched "Partners in Crime" and I don't remember seeing that part!!
I know..... I fail :(

Anyway, I'll keep my eyes open in a few weeks for the monitor flash of Rose :p
It's when Donna's alone in the TARDIS and she runs over to look at the monitor. Just for an instant, before she turns the monitor to look at the screen, Rose's face is on it and she's screaming something we can't hear.

The cameo at the end of "Partners in Crime" was a big one. That blonde girl Donna talks to about leaving her keys for her mother nearby? She turns around and :wow: it's Rose! Then she just vanishes.

[chamber-music]

the dr's always had a granddaughter since the very start of the show...

but now they're gonna explode everything and actually show that the dr has a daughter and piss off a whole bunch of people...

They probabley added the Doctors daughter because shes young and hot. They needed to balance out Donnas middle aged frumpyness now that Martha and Rose are only bit part characters.

[Lord Valumart]

They probabley added the Doctors daughter because shes young and hot. They needed to balance out Donnas middle aged frumpyness now that Martha and Rose are only bit part characters.

hey, donna's the sex...better than horse mouth piper...and no talent freema...

[chamber-music]

How old is Donna, her mum and granddad supposed to be?

[Dr Lee]

Don't forget that the Dr is only something like three regenerations away from full death. What will happen if they just let him die, they need to try and create some way for the Dr Who franchise to continue after his death.

I'm going to wait and see the episode b4 i start maoing about how bad it might be

[regwec]

Don't forget that the Dr is only something like three regenerations away from full death. What will happen if they just let him die, they need to try and create some way for the Dr Who franchise to continue after his death.
Well it had better not be a ****ing generic/extreme/sassy/kickarse Timebabe with irritating kooky nuances.

I can honestly say I would never pay my license fee again.

Yeah, you heard that, BBC.

[chamber-music]

hey, donna's the sex...better than horse mouth piper...and no talent freema...

I agree Piper has a horse mouth and freema isn't the best actress in the world.

New Who needs some Brian Blessing

[Lord Valumart]

Don't forget that the Dr is only something like three regenerations away from full death. What will happen if they just let him die, they need to try and create some way for the Dr Who franchise to continue after his death.
new sets of regenerations can be given as stated in the five drs ep, so the 13 lives thing is probably a limit set by the timelords and since they're not around anymore it's possible for them to regenerate forever...
I agree Piper has a horse mouth and freema isn't the best actress in the world.

New Who needs some Brian Blessing

he was the best thing about trial of a time lord...along with glitz...

[ihateusernames]

hey, donna's the sex...better than horse mouth piper...and no talent freema...
How old are you, exactly?

[The Squirrel]

hmm alright.......

and what's this about Rose?
(it really sucks being 3 weeks behind you all) :(

I've seen all the episodes off of either youtube or veoh....

So I'm all caught up :D.

[Captain_BluTac]

Apparently Jenny is supposed to be the product of "singular progenation" which means Jenny has no mother, only The Doctor.:o

[Lord Valumart]

How old are you, exactly?

19...but whats that got to do with this:huh:

[black_dust]

Me, too. At least with Martha the sexual tension was all one-way, toward the Doctor. It's just... weird... for the Doctor to be all mushy over a 20-something chick. It gives me a really gross, old-man-and-his-trophy-wife feel.

It's when Donna's alone in the TARDIS and she runs over to look at the monitor. Just for an instant, before she turns the monitor to look at the screen, Rose's face is on it and she's screaming something we can't hear.

The cameo at the end of "Partners in Crime" was a big one. That blonde girl Donna talks to about leaving her keys for her mother nearby? She turns around and :wow: it's Rose! Then she just vanishes.

I think he was mouthing DOCTOR!!!!!

[The Lizard]

I don't mind the Doctor having two companions in the TARDIS at once, but Martha's already had her go, so I hope she doesn't stick around too long after the next ep.

At first I had thought that the missing bees on earth was going to be the reoccurring mystery this season, but now that we've got Rose doing a "Bad Wolf" routine, I'm not sure...

[union_jak]

What if the final episode comprises of the Doctor, Martha, Donna, Rose, Jenny, Captain Jack, Gwen, Ianto and Sarah Jane all in the Tardis together? Would it be a first? The threat would have the be the biggest yet if it were to bring them together.

[Lord Valumart]

who the hell is jenny:huh:

[union_jak]

Isn't that the Doctor's daughter's name?

I just think she'll return. RTD introduces things halfway through the series and then they get picked up again at the end with relevance, I can see it happening with her.

[Lord Valumart]

i dunno what her name is....surely it should be the nurse or something:huh:

and i don;t think she's coming back...we'd have heard about it by now

[ihateusernames]

19...but whats that got to do with this:huh:
Honestly, I thought you where 35+.

You just remind me of a guy a work with whos really into old Dr Who, all he ever does is complain about the new stuff, even though he watches it every time it's on.

[Lord Valumart]

Honestly, I thought you where 35+.

You just remind me of a guy a work with whos really into old Dr Who, all he ever does is complain about the new stuff, even though he watches it every time it's on.

i'll admit i've probably skiped from childhood to middle age without the teenage or youngadult years but meh...old who was better...tell him i agree...

[ihateusernames]

i'll admit i've probably skiped from childhood to middle age without the teenage or youngadult years but meh...old who was better...tell him i agree...
Oh no, I agree with the both off you.
My dads a massive Who fan, so I've been watching them for 21 years, haha.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind the Doctor having two companions in the TARDIS at once, but Martha's already had her go, so I hope she doesn't stick around too long after the next ep.

At first I had thought that the missing bees on earth was going to be the reoccurring mystery this season, but now that we've got Rose doing a "Bad Wolf" routine, I'm not sure...
Technically Donna already had her go, too. ;)

[ihateusernames]

I read in an interview tih D.T in which he said by the last episode the Tradis is pretty damn full and has pretty much everyone in it.

I think it was in Radio Times.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind that at all. I've always found it a bit silly that the Doctor just finds one companion to take along with him at a time. I liked when Jack and Mickey tagged along with Rose for a while at different times.

[The Lizard]

What if the final episode comprises of the Doctor, Martha, Donna, Rose, Jenny, Captain Jack, Gwen, Ianto and Sarah Jane all in the Tardis together? Would it be a first? The threat would have the be the biggest yet if it were to bring them together.

I never want to see anyone from Torchwood as a Doctor Who companion (other than Jack, obviously). :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I never want to see anyone from Torchwood other than Jack, really. They killed off their one good character.

[Lord Valumart]

I never want to see anyone from Torchwood other than Jack, really. They killed off their one good character.

yeh...damn them for killing off Tommy...damn them:cmad:

[chamber-music]

I never want to see anyone from Torchwood as a Doctor Who companion (other than Jack, obviously). :cmad:

We all know the Doctor would boot Gwen off the Tardis for being incompetent. He likes his companions to have atleast one skill worth while. Gwen has none. He would let Ianto stay as long as he didn't bump uglys with Jack while they where in the Tardis.

[TheCorpulent1]

So Ianto and Jack would be gone too, then.

[Lord Valumart]

We all know the Doctor would boot Gwen off the Tardis for being incompetent. He likes his companions to have atleast one skill worth while. Gwen has none. He would let Ianto stay as long as he didn't bump uglys with Jack while they where in the Tardis.

why's he got martha then?

[TheCorpulent1]

Martha can hike really well. Didn't you see her hiking all over the world in the last few episodes of series 3?

[chamber-music]

why's he got martha then?

Martha is a medical doctor and see is uber loyal to the Doctor

[Manic]

The Doctor doesn't pick his companions based on skill. Donna was completely clueless and useless when the Doctor first met her, and he still invited her to come along. She just didn't accept until a year later, after she'd started looking at the weird crap around her.

Mickey didn't really have any skills other than making Rose uncomfortable whenever she was around them both. The Doctor still invited him to come along. Mickey rejected the idea until Sarah-Jane convinced him a year later.

The only skills Rose displayed when she first met the Doctor was... what? She spotted the London Eye? Of course, Rose did save his life, but so did Martha.

[Lord Valumart]

Martha can hike really well. Didn't you see her hiking all over the world in the last few episodes of series 3?
we saw her land back in the UK near the start of the last ep...
Martha is a medical doctor and see is uber loyal to the Doctor

medical knowlage she uses twice...and one of those times just to show off...and she's only loyal cause she's all "luv me dokta manz!!:("

[TheCorpulent1]

The Doctor doesn't pick his companions based on skill. Donna was completely clueless and useless when the Doctor first met her, and he still invited her to come along. She just didn't accept until a year later, after she'd started looking at the weird crap around her.

Mickey didn't really have any skills other than making Rose uncomfortable whenever she was around them both. The Doctor still invited him to come along. Mickey rejected the idea until Sarah-Jane convinced him a year later.

The only skills Rose displayed when she first met the Doctor was... what? She spotted the London Eye? Of course, Rose did save his life, but so did Martha.
Mickey was one of those awful, fictionalized TV-hackers who can make a computer do anything with a few keystrokes because they happen to surf the web a lot. :o

[Captain_BluTac]

Mickey was one of those awful, fictionalized TV-hackers who can make a computer do anything with a few keystrokes because they happen to surf the web a lot. :o

You mean you cant?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I left my L337 skillz in my other p4ntz. :o

[Captain_BluTac]

No, I left my L337 skillz in my other p4ntz. :o

You should buy a holder.:o

[union_jak]

I heard a rumour that Captain Jack won't be appearing without at least one of his Torchwood teammates. Shame Toshiko is dead.

[Manic]

Mickey was one of those awful, fictionalized TV-hackers who can make a computer do anything with a few keystrokes because they happen to surf the web a lot. :o
What did Mickey ever hack? The Doctor told him to launch the missiles from UNIT's website. I think he accessed the Cybermen database from within their own building. Other than that, I don't remember him touching a computer.

[chamber-music]

Georgia Moffet talks Doctor Who

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GEORGIA Moffett has told how she messed up filming Doctor Who - by ripping David Tennant's jacket.

The actress revealed how she tore star man Tennant's coat after he gave her it to keep warm.

Moffett, 23 - the daughter of former Time Lord Peter Davison - plays the title character in The Doctor's Daughter this weekend.

She explained: "It was winter in Cardiff when we filmed and I was wearing very little, so you can imagine how cold that was.

"David kindly lent me his jacket between takes. I put it on, bent over and ripped the back of it. He's a good 6ft-something and he's never ripped it. I'm 5ft 2in, put it on and destroyed it."

Moffett told how her father can't believe she's in the series.

She added: "I think he's still in shock. Mind you, I don't think he's grasped the fact I'm an actress, let alone doing a show he did 20-odd years ago."

Moffett says her character is an "action hero" who the Doctor becomes "very proud of".

Asked whether "Jenny" was really the Doctor's daughter, Moffett said: "In a strange sort of way. It's never quite as simple as that on Doctor Who."

Source (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/entertainment-news/2008/05/07/i-managed-to-rip-david-tennant-s-coat-reveals-doctor-who-s-daughter-86908-20407946/)

Wow didn't know she was Davidsons daughter. Also shes kind of a Milf as well because she had a kid when she was 16.

[Bastila]

Looking forward to this weekends episode (shame about Martha still in it....)
But I want to know who the mother is, and well if the kid has two hearts and other things.
Wonder if we get a Rose type thing in this weeks episode again.

But does look good, so far this season least favourite episode has been the Ood one...they freak me out..........

[Magneto29]

Being that it was said that its "not as simple", there probably is no mother. Although I think it would be more interesting if there was.

[Captain_BluTac]

I hate how websites steal interviews, that interview was in RT a few days before they posted it.:cmad:

[The Lizard]

Also shes kind of a Milf as well because she had a kid when she was 16.

Doesn't that make her a chav? :oldrazz:

[chamber-music]

Doesn't that make her a chav? :oldrazz:

I am so not touching that one :rolleyes:

[Lord Valumart]

Doesn't that make her a chav? :oldrazz:

leave the spawn of peter davison the hell alone:cmad:

[Captain_BluTac]

Wow didn't know she was Davidsons daughter. Also shes kind of a Milf as well because she had a kid when she was 16.

*cough* 17 *cough*

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, well that makes everything not better at all, really...

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh, well that makes everything not better at all, really...

It makes a difference in the sense that in reality (with her being 17 when her son was born) no laws were broken with her getting pregnant at 16, take way a year and make her 15 when she gets pregnant she's a law breaking whore.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, well, when you put it that way...

Seriously, though, 16 or 17, a year doesn't make much difference in terms of how hard a situation that must've been for all involved to get through.

[Captain_BluTac]

Haha, well, when you put it that way...

Seriously, though, 16 or 17, a year doesn't make much difference in terms of how hard a situation that must've been for all involved to get through.

She would of had it a lot easier than some, lets face it her family isn't exactly poor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that much is true. Still, must've been tough emotionally. Although there aren't as many bible-thumpers over there in the UK, so she might not have gotten all the stigma she would've gotten here in the US for getting pregnant so young. People have a way of lightening up when you take that good ol' Christian guilt out of the picture. ;)

[union_jak]

Oh we really don't do religion much in the UK. It's rare to find a teenage girl over 17 who hasn't had a baby these days, sadly.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, it's rare to find a teenage girl over 17 who hasn't had a baby in some extremely religious parts of the US, so it's not like you're alone.

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh we really don't do religion much in the UK. It's rare to find a teenage girl over 17 who hasn't had a baby these days, sadly.

I wouldn't go that far *remembers sisters age when she was first pregnant* Oh wait:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Dang, my sister's pushing 30 and is still baby-free. I'm glad; I'm sure I'd make a terrible uncle, what with my penchant to consider children stupid brats and all.

[SpideyLad]

She would of had it a lot easier than some, lets face it her family isn't exactly poor.

Her family was incredibly supportive. More proof that Davison rocks......:up:

[Manic]

Being that it was said that its "not as simple", there probably is no mother. Although I think it would be more interesting if there was.
She can't be created solely from the Doctor's DNA, or she'd be male. Unless they do an X-23 thing (Wolverine's clone/little sister), and say something like "we replaced the broken Y chromosome with a second X chromosome."

[TheCorpulent1]

You're assuming Time Lord DNA works the same way human DNA does. Has that been shown? I would think a race that's scientifically advanced enough to clone a Time Lord at all would be able to do whatever they want with the clone.

[Manic]

I was going over last season's finale again when I had a thought. What the hell happened to the Master's TARDIS? He had to have used it to reach the end of the universe the first time. Even though the Doctor rigged his TARDIS to only go back to 2008 (give or take a year and a half), the Master didn't seem to have any limit to where he could go (he did say he went to Utopia, and tried to find Gallifrey). Theoretically, couldn't the Master find his own TARDIS and use to travel whenever the hell he wanted?

[Captain_BluTac]

I was going over last season's finale again when I had a thought. What the hell happened to the Master's TARDIS? He had to have used it to reach the end of the universe the first time. Even though the Doctor rigged his TARDIS to only go back to 2008 (give or take a year and a half), the Master didn't seem to have any limit to where he could go (he did say he went to Utopia, and tried to find Gallifrey). Theoretically, couldn't the Master find his own TARDIS and use to travel whenever the hell he wanted?


here was me Hoping you were gonna mention the cameo from The Rani, so I could go all knowledgey on you.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

I'm going to bed, but before I do I will just mention RTD confirmed (on the DW series 3 DVD commentary) that the hand the picked up The Master's ring was The Rani, it wouldn't be followed up, it was just something he put in there for the old Who fans.:o

[Manic]

I have a theory about the Rani. She worked with the Master before, right? They both could've run away and disguised themselves as humans. In Rani's case, as Lucy Saxon (Mrs. Rook probably didn't notice Lucy's false identity because there was nothing spectacular about it). Then, because the Master is an evil bastard, he decided to make Lucy his b**** rather than revive the Rani. After constant exposure to Time Lords, something probably clicked in Lucy's head (the same way they clicked with Professor Yana), convincing her to open her... I don't know, pocket watch or make-up compact or jewelry or something. The Rani's probably been staying on Earth (in her's or the Master's TARDIS) under the cloud of the Archangel Network.

[The Question]

I prefer Lucy as her own separate character. Mostly because it leaves open the possibility of The Master having a personal connection with someone other than The Doctor that's a bit complex. But having The Rani revive The Master would be interesting. Might be interesting if she brought him back to use her for something, but he turned the tables on her and forced her to help him with one of his schemes. Maybe accessing technology for reviving the dead to orchestrate a reunion of "The Deca."

[The Squirrel]

This is funny:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PWIgfP_OghQ

It's the video Martha fast forwards in "Human Nature", I guess it was a on the dvd, but I don't remember seeing it on there.

[kez1984]

Bad episode, really bad.

[Manic]

Uh oh. Am I in store for disappointment when the video is readily available to me in a few hours?

[kez1984]

Uh oh. Am I in store for disappointment when the video is readily available to me in a few hours?

Probably. It was like a really dumb playstation game.

[Lord Valumart]

i actually feel like the bbc should have paid me with solid gold and tied me up and forced me to watch it at gun point...

it was terrible...

[Darkfly]

anybody just finish watching the latest episode on BBC 2 a few min's ago, hardly the greatest Doctor Who but this was the first episode of new series which I thought was any good.

I was totally telling my Dad but she's got two hearts so she'll come back to life but he said no cause she's only made of his tissue and then I said but she is a time lord cause she has 2 hearts then I went quiet when she didn't come back to life but I was right in the end, but I had 1 problem why didn't her body change like all Time Lords do.

[Lord Valumart]

anybody just finish watching the latest episode on BBC 2 a few min's ago, hardly the greatest Doctor Who but this was the first episode of new series which I thought was any good.

I was totally telling my Dad but she's got two hearts so she'll come back to life but no he said but she's only made of his tissue and then I said but she is a time lord cause she has 2 hearts then I went quiet when she didn't come back to life but I was right in the end, but I had 1 problem why didn't her body change like all Time Lords do.

in answer to your problem...

bad writing...

[Darkfly]

nice to see a reference to his family since in the first Doctor Who film from the 60's he had a grandaughter, maybe they could explore that further in a future episode.

[Lord Valumart]

nice to see a reference to his family since in the first Doctor Who film from the 60's he had a grandaughter, maybe they could explore that further in a future episode.

*slaps head*

just...just leave...

[Darkfly]

or maybe they could just try & explain that the grandaughter is just the daughter of his daughter from this episoder . I take it Lord Valumart that you'd rather they never explore that side of the Doctor's life or do you just hate the film?

[union_jak]

LV I'm telling you

she'll return for the finale

just my thoughts, and I might be wrong, but it's been set up that way.

[Lord Valumart]

or maybe they could just try & explain that the grandaughter is just the daughter of his daughter from this episoder . I take it Lord Valumart that you'd rather they never explore that side of the Doctor's life or do you just hate the film?

the films aren;t cannon...

they're an attempt to bring dr who to a much larger group of people. they have almost nothing in common with the REAL dr who...

[Lord Valumart]

LV I'm telling you

she'll return for the finale

just my thoughts, and I might be wrong, but it's been set up that way.

i'd MUCH rather have mccoy show up...:cmad:

[Darkfly]

I hope she returns, I'd much prefer her over Donna, Rose, or Martha as a companion plus she's cute.

I bet you hate me for saying that :D

[Lord Valumart]

I hope she returns, I'd much prefer her over Donna, Rose, or Martha as a companion plus she's cute.

I bet you hate me for saying that :D

i don;t hate you...i'm annoyed at your lack of knowlage about the classic series...

[Manic]

Question: how did the Doctor feel about the fruit of his... uh... tissue sample using a gun?

[black_dust]

I thought Jenny was pretty dam hot. Id show her my sonic screwdriver anyday of the week

[SpideyLad]

nice to see a reference to his family since in the first Doctor Who film from the 60's he had a grandaughter, maybe they could explore that further in a future episode.

1) His family has been made reference to in a few New Series episodes.
2) Watch some Classic Series.....
3) I have nothing more to say to you ...

[kez1984]

LV I'm telling you

she'll return for the finale

just my thoughts, and I might be wrong, but it's been set up that way.


Hope not. While his daughter is attractive looking, she's rubbish. About the most unconvincing solider iv ever seen on a television screen. This episode was the worse of this season currently imo. Martha crying when she and her fish buddy were at Mount Doom was unintentionally funny because she cant act worth crap. The set looked tacky, it's like they visited laser quest, while smaller scale tackyness can be shall we say "British" and charming, in this case, it was not. The relationships seemed overly smug that any real danger didn't really register. The Ending seems totally contrived, it was way over ambitious, it needed to pull it's head out of it's ass, seriously.

[Darkfly]

Okay checked it up the film isn't considered cannon (suppose it isn't properly official then) but I'll admit defeat but like I said I ain't the biggest Doctor Who, but I know enough to get by give me Torchwood anyday, don't hate me.


EDIT:
And SpideyLad if the BBC starts repeating some old episodes I'd gladly watch'em since I was pretty young when I saw the classic series, BBC 3 did show some a while ago but I don't believe they have recently.

[SpideyLad]

Okay checked it up the it isn't considered cannon (suppose it isn't properly offical) but I'll admit defeat but like I said I ain't eh biggest Doctor Who, but I know enough to get by give me Torchwood anyday, don't hate me.

And SpideyLad if the BBC starts repeating some old episodes I'd gladly watch'em since I was pretty young when I saw the series, BBC 3 did show some a while ago but I don't believe they have recently.

Too late for us to not hate you now...

And buy the DVD's!!!!!!:cmad:

[Darkfly]

Can't afford them with Uni coming up in a few months and the fact I just bought a new computer.

[union_jak]

You'd have to be a big fan to buy the DVDs, how many are out so far??

I'm a completist, so if I bought one, something inside me tells me it's nothing without all the others.

[Manic]

Hope not. While his daughter is attractive looking, she's rubbish. About the most unconvincing solider iv ever seen on a television screen. This episode was the worse of this season currently imo. Martha crying when she and her fish buddy were at Mount Doom was unintentionally funny because she cant act worth crap. The set looked tacky, it's like they visited laser quest, while smaller scale tackyness can be shall we say "British" and charming, in this case, it was not. The relationships seemed overly smug that any real danger didn't really register. The Ending seems totally contrived, it was way over ambitious, it needed to pull it's head out of it's ass, seriously.
Dear god, you mean Martha had to... emote? :wow:

*has "42" flashbacks*

[SpideyLad]

You'd have to be a big fan to buy the DVDs, how many are out so far??

I'm a completist, so if I bought one, something inside me tells me it's nothing without all the others.

There are many...

Dear god, you mean Martha had to... emote? :wow:

*has "42" flashbacks*

It was hilarous, it really was...

[regwec]

Pretty boring episode. I found myself absent mindedly doodling naked sci-fi babes, so it may have been subconscously effecting.

The best I can really say is that I quite liked the alien designs, which were reasonably original, but they had the same problem as the Ood in that they were only convincing from the neck up.

[wobbly]

Just watched the latest episode. Thought it was ok, nothing brilliiant, but not bad either (certainly not as bad as the fatty pokemon opener).

The Good:
Martha did some actual doctoring for once (it was on an alien and she was guessing, but what the hell).
Confirmation the Doctor had a real child & grandchild (afaik the only reference in the new series to this was Eccleston's saying he'd been a father before?). Sadly, also confirmed they are dead (though if the Time Lords are ever resurrected I expect they could have them return then).
The Aliens looked alright.

The bad:
Martha's OTT crying over a dead alien she barely knew?
Donna & Doctor again going through the "were not together" routine (getting old that one, and wasn't all that funny the first time)

And Donna. In general. Continues to irritate the hell out of me (Got a laugh out of the music after she said she'd be travelling with the Doctor "forever" though).

Re: Jenny's non-regeneration. I'd simply put this one down to her not being a true time-lord (if she were then the Doctor would 'sense' her presence again, wouldn't he?) so though she has enough TL DNA to heal the injury, there's not enough to create an entirely different form.

[regwec]

Oh yeah, the music. In three words, JUST SHUT UP!

[livrule]

Mmmmmmmm,

Not great but had a few tiny 'moments' that were decent .... It was one of Tennants better episodes this series from an acting point of view.

But .... the word that is starting to hang over this series is ... average, not terrible just .... ok.

They need to find some quality episodes fast.

[the_ultimate_evil]

not great but okay, i wish they had done a better way for the daughter rather than bing ohh there she is with your dna

though i must admit this thread is getting very close to fanboy elitism any time some likes something in the new series that does not have connections to the old, personally i never liked the old and never once watched it, it was the new one with piper and eccleston that got me interested

[Captain_BluTac]

not great but okay, i wish they had done a better way for the daughter rather than bing ohh there she is with your dna

though i must admit this thread is getting very close to fanboy elitism any time some likes something in the new series that does not have connections to the old, personally i never liked the old and never once watched it, it was the new one with piper and eccleston that got me interested

I was thinking the same thing, 2 people in particular will not shut up with their *****ing when it comes to the new series, if they hate it that much, why do they watch it?

[Lord Valumart]

I was thinking the same thing, 2 people in particular will not shut up with their *****ing when it comes to the new series, if they hate it that much, why do they watch it?

question: am i one of the two?

[Captain_BluTac]

question: am i one of the two?

Oh well I will give you a hint in the form of a well known saying "Speak of the devil..."

[Lord Valumart]

Oh well I will give you a hint in the form of a well known saying "Speak of the devil..."

ah...i see...:csad:

[Captain_BluTac]

ah...i see...:csad:

Do you really?

[the_ultimate_evil]

LV you can at times come across as elitist, but most its done in a joking matter, sadly in most cases online that sort of discussion developed into mindless flame wars once if someone takes offence.

[Lord Valumart]

Do you really?
yes...and i assume that the other one is spideylad...?
LV you can at times come across as elitist, but most its done in a joking matter, sadly in most cases online that sort of discussion developed into mindless flame wars once if someone takes offence.

i understand...it just annoys me some times that people who clame to be fans don;t know basic backstory...

[regwec]

It's the needless and constant *****ing about Freema that irritates me, frankly.

[livrule]

I was thinking the same thing, 2 people in particular will not shut up with their *****ing when it comes to the new series, if they hate it that much, why do they watch it?

:applaud

Amen.

Everybody can have an opinion but this thread can be difficult to enjoy at times.

[Lord Valumart]

It's the needless and constant *****ing about Freema that irritates me, frankly.

it's not constant...but did you see her try to be badass in the sontaran eps? or try to be sad in the latest ep? the woman can;t act...

[Manic]

She wasn't trying to be badass in the Sontaran episodes. She's part of UNIT, but they didn't make her a soldier. She gave the orders she needed to give, and just sorta did her job.

If you want to see someone fail at acting badass, watch John Barrowman in Torchwood.


That said, Freema Agyeman isn't a good actress. She has no range of emotions. So long as they don't ask her to cry or freak out from imminent danger, she's tolerable. Also hot.

[The Squirrel]

Good episode, I'm glad Jenny did come back to life or the episode would have been a complete waste. Hope she returns in time for the finale.

I don't think Freema added anything to the episode other than hotness.

[The Lizard]

I'm glad that Jenny wasn't dead permanently. After all, if she's cloned from a Time Lord and has two hearts, then why shouldn't she regenerate?.

I liked the character, but I must say that the way she was used in this episode seemed quite contrived, and her predictable fate annoyed me. She's a real cutie, however.

[Manic]

I finally saw the episode. A few thoughts...

I would say it was the lowest point in the season thus far, but that award goes to "Partners in Crime" aka "The Sarah Jane Adventures Pilot Redux."

I kinda liked Jenny. Maybe it was helped by the fact that Georgia Moffet is cute. I don't know. I did find it strange that she only semi-regenerated at the end, but I guess that can be attributed to her not being a natural-born Time Lord/Lady. But hey, at least she didn't regenerate half a dozen times as if she was trying on new clothes.
I liked Jenny's decision to fly off into space and travel like the Doctor, but I thought the way it was filmed was just terrible. We saw her wake up one second, and we literally saw her hijacking a shuttle immediately after. It'd be neat (maybe) if she stumbled onto a mode of time travel while she was out there.

You were right, SpideyLad. Martha's crying scene was hilarious. Hell, it looked like she was on the verge of laughing.

Donna's whole "I was a temp" shtick is getting kinda weird. Using that experience to know how to work and navigate the Adipose building? Fine. Using it to know to check ATMOS' personnel files? Cool. But mastering the Dewey Decimal System while working at a library, and using that knowledge to know when she's looking at a backwards date? The Dewey Decimal System has nothing to do with dates. It's a categorization system based on a text's subject, not date of publication. It really had nothing to do with what she figured out. Her temp experience is just getting ham-fisted into the dialogue.

[regwec]

I quite like Donna's work experience paying off in alien war zones, actually. It's cheering for those of us stuck in menial jobs for which we are absurdly over qualified...

[Manic]

I have no problem with Donna's work experience coming into play. It's just that she brought up working at a library and mastering the Dewey Decimal System, even though that all had nothing to do with anything. I loved her "Super-Temp" moment in "The Sontaran Stratagem" because it made perfect sense. Hell, the first time we met Donna, she found out the head of Human Resources (basically the same thing as Personnel) was in league with an alien empress.

But with this last one, she basically said "I temped at a library. Libraries use the Dewey Decimal System. I mastered the Dewey Decimal System. The Dewey Decimal System has numbers in it. The numbers on these walls have numbers on them. I know what these numbers mean, and it has nothing to do with working at a library or how the Dewey Decimal System works." If she had related the library job to publication dates, book due dates, or anything related to dates, it would've been fine. But she related it to a non-mathematic categorization system.

[Lord Valumart]

i got that the fact she mastered it within a short time was only to suggest she was good with numbers....

[Darkfly]

Does anybody love Donna or Martha, cause I tend to find Donna truly Hi-Larious at times then some of the stuff she's says is just lame, & Martha's acting is hit or miss, though I do prefer her over Donna & Rose.

[Manic]

i got that the fact she mastered it within a short time was only to suggest she was good with numbers....
That makes sense, but the dialogue was a little padded. It's like she had to tell her life story to get to the point.

[Lord Valumart]

Does anybody love Donna or Martha, cause I tend to find Donna truly Hi-Larious at times then some of the stuff she's says is just lame, & Martha's acting is hit or miss, though I do prefer her over Donna & Rose.
donna is awesome, the first real companion the new series has had. martha was close to that with the sontaran eps but went back to being useless in the latest ep...
That makes sense, but the dialogue was a little padded. It's like she had to tell her life story to get to the point.

she was trying to impress the dr and jenny...

also it's a shame we didn;t get to see donna use her womanly charm...

[Darkfly]

donna is awesome, the first real companion the new series has had. martha was close to that with the sontaran eps but went back to being useless in the latest ep...


she was trying to impress the dr and jenny...

also it's a shame we didn;t get to see donna use her womanly charm...

Probably save it for when Capt. Jack turns rouge & is the bad guy at the end of the series (just a guess) & they need to escape, Donna could totally charm Jack, well actually anybody could I suppose since he'll **** anything with a postal code. And I suppose this means that he will never want to **** the Doctor since he doesn't have a postal code or not for a long time anyway (taking that they had Postal code's on Gallifrey).

[SpideyLad]

I was thinking the same thing, 2 people in particular will not shut up with their *****ing when it comes to the new series, if they hate it that much, why do they watch it?

Hello....:woot:

[chamber-music]

I quite like Donna's work experience paying off in alien war zones, actually. It's cheering for those of us stuck in menial jobs for which we are absurdly over qualified...
I told everyone on the boards all the Doctors companions have a skill (useful plot device) that comes in handy.

Does anybody love Donna or Martha, cause I tend to find Donna truly Hi-Larious at times then some of the stuff she's says is just lame, & Martha's acting is hit or miss, though I do prefer her over Donna & Rose.

I prefer Martha as sees less anoying than the other two although Jacks my favourite companion in the new series.

Catherine Tate just does the characters she did on her own show only she condenses them into the one character of Donna. Its kind of boring because I've seen it all before.

anyone else tired of seeing all the companions dysfuntional familes. I really don't care about rose mum, Marthas family or Donna's mum who looks not much older than Catherine Tate and her crack pot grandad who comes cross like a poor mans Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses.

[Lord Valumart]

anyone else tired of seeing all the companions dysfuntional familes. I really don't care about rose mum, Marthas family or Donna's mum who looks not much older than Catherine Tate and her crack pot grandad who comes cross like a poor mans Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses.

donna's family have only been in four episodes(counting the two chrstmas ones) and they were barely in the sontaran ones...

anyhow wilf is better than anyother family member so far...apart from pete...all hail the might pete...

[Manic]

We really didn't need to see Donna's mother past the Christmas episode. Donna is a grown ass woman, but RTD is writing her home life a little too similar to Rose's. At least Martha had moved out, had her own place, and didn't have to explain to anybody where the hell she was.

[Lord Valumart]

wasn;t it established that donna had moved back in with her mum at some point:huh:

[regwec]

Donna's grandfather is at least half likeable. I hated the Tylers and the moronic Mickey, and the Jones's were just boring and forgettable, after showing some initial disfunctional promise.

[Darkfly]

They are only introducing all the families of all the companion's to make Doctor Who that more believable (who wouldn't want to see their family at some point on a whirlwind adventure) but I think its not needed especially since no matter how good Doctor Who is, it shouldn't start becoming more serious or realistic cause it ain't & never has been, & that's the way I like it.

[Manic]

wasn;t it established that donna had moved back in with her mum at some point:huh:
Yeah, because Donna was crazy enough to stop working.
Donna's grandfather is at least half likeable. I hated the Tylers and the moronic Mickey, and the Jones's were just boring and forgettable, after showing some initial disfunctional promise.
I would've loved to see the Joneses always at each other's throats, but I think they pretty much established that Martha's dad and her mom's eyebrows were the only ones who didn't get along.

I liked Jackie Tyler, if only because they kept hinting that she was a complete slut, and nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

[ihateusernames]

i understand...it just annoys me some times that people who clame to be fans don;t know basic backstory...
Thats unfair.
My sister, whos 15, and likes nothing I like, enjoys watching Dr Who.
She gets excited about up coming episodes, has posters on her wall, and asked me to get her a figure of the doctor for her birthday.

She has no idea about his back story, has no intention of looking it up, has no interest in listening to me talk about it, yet I'd call her a fan of the show.
she gets me to record the episodes on my sky+ box and then comes to my house at least 4 times a week to re watch them.

It's not fair to say someone isn't a fan because they don't know as much as you. her argument to not wanting to know it is she likes the mystry that comes with his past, all the aliens seem fresh to her, even the Daleks and Cybermen.

[regwec]

What an ace sister!

[ihateusernames]

What an ace sister!
Nah, she's a *****.
Don't get me wrong, I love with everything I've got, She just does my head in.

[the_ultimate_evil]

£5 jenny either comes back for the finale, or gets her own series

[Bastila]

£5 jenny either comes back for the finale, or gets her own series

You know thats thought at the end :p

But I'm glad she lived really, was sad she 'died' but you knew she wouldn't some how, no one really dies in DW.
I was hoping Martha would, but some how she doesn't....

So this weeks one was ok really I liked it, fish things where well....weird, how the hell could they understand one another lol

[Captain_BluTac]

I liked the Hath, but felt I was more upset about Pek dying than Martha was.:o

P.S I also think Jenny will get her own series, or will end up in either Torchwood or SJA, but I don't think she will be back for the finale it will already have too many actors, I don't think there's enough room for her.:o

[IronLion]

£5 jenny either comes back for the finale, or gets her own series


thought that too. probably end up in torchwood or sarah jane.

[Bastila]

Jenny might come back next season, or xmas special (have no idea whos in that...well I don't :p ) Also the Doctor might here word about a Jenny saving people as well. Who knows but she'll be back.

[Magneto29]

Even if the episode was written rather blah-ish, I did enjoy Tennant's acting.

[The Lizard]

thought that too. probably end up in torchwood or sarah jane.

If Captain Jack or any other annoying Torchwood character ends up shagging her, I will NOT be happy. :cmad:

[Obsidian]

If Captain Jack or any other annoying Torchwood character ends up shagging her, I will NOT be happy. :cmad:

I'm sure the Doctor won't be happy either.

[Obsidian]

Even if the episode was written rather blah-ish, I did enjoy Tennant's acting.

actually it was a well-written episode, especially the parts with the Doctor and his daughter. Everything else was just alright.