The "New" Doctor Who

[livrule]

It's possible since their won't be another Doctor Who series until 2010, they'll have Tennant appear in Series 2 of SJA and Series 3 of Torchwood, so people can get some of The Doctor aside from the movie specials. Also Tennant is more than likely done after those specials so maybe they are trying to have Jack and Sarah's companions meet a Doctor that Jack and Sarah are both familiar with.

Tennant would be too busy ...

The whole reason they are only doing the specials is that he is not available much next year.

[psychocheeseman]

wasn't he going to do a little theater or something? you know, so he doesn't feel like he's being type cast - typical Actor vanity.

[Captain_BluTac]

It's official Torchwood is a mini series next year all five episode running in the same week, Oh and I actually like Tom Bakers Doctor now.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Is there anything about why it's a mini?
wasn't he going to do a little theater or something? you know, so he doesn't feel like he's being type cast - typical Actor vanity.
Given how big a Doctor Who fan he seems to be, I doubt he's worried about being typecast. Although I'm sure playing Hamlet will help to alleviate whatever fears of typecasting he may have.

[SpideyLad]

It's official Torchwood is a mini series next year all five episode running in the same week, Oh and I actually like Tom Bakers Doctor now.:o

Link to the officalness?

And I find Tom Baker very overrated....

[ttotheusher]

LOL, that reminded me, I recently met Tom Baker in Play.Com Live. I asked him whether he would appear in the show, like Peter Davison, and he said no basically, but he dragged it out for, like, 10 minutes, explaining how he's so busy with things like Little Britian, and he's so well known now that RTD and co are "afraid" of asking him. What a crock. I mean, I liked him as the Doctor, but he was a bit obnoxious to me.

[regwec]

I find Tom Baker very overrated....
*Takes a long run up*

*Kicks SpideLad hard in the nuts*

[Captain_BluTac]

Link to the officalness?

I CBA to find a decent site so I will link DS.

'Torchwood' cut down for third season?

Tuesday, June 3 2008, 22:26 BST
By Ben Rawson-Jones (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a97369/torchwood-cut-down-for-third-season.html#), Cult Editor
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/08/06/160x120_torchwood_episodics_s02_e06_5.jpg
Torchwood is to be drastically reduced in length for its forthcoming third season.

Executive producer Julie Gardner told TV Guide: "We've decided to do a five-part mini-series, one big story that will run during one week. I wanted to make a really big noise about the show."

Gardner, who confirmed that John Barrowman will be back as Captain Jack, remained coy about any additions to the cast following the death of two regular characters in the second season finale. However, she said that fans of the show "will be pleased with the casting".

Filming for Torchwood's next season will commence in the Autumn for broadcast in early 2009. In the meantime, fans will be able to listen to a special audio adventure (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a92371/radio-4-to-air-one-off-torchwood.html) on BBC Radio 4 this summer.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a97369/torchwood-cut-down-for-third-season.html

And I find Tom Baker very overrated....

Well I never liked him when I was a kid, but I've been watching "The Invasion Of Time" all this week on UKTV Drama and have really enjoyed it.:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Why do I get the feeling that Martha's going to join Torchwood full time?

[JustABill]

Because she's probably going to. There's rumors that she and Mickey will replace Tosh and Owen.

[Speedball]

Because she's probably going to. There's rumors that she and Mickey will replace Tosh and Owen.
For real?!
OH S*** I'm excited now!
I knew Martha would...but I never even thought of Mickey joining...

[JustABill]

Eh, I'm alright with Martha joining. She's not my favorite, but at least I can stand her. I however despise Mickey.

[Speedball]

He hasn't done anything to make me hate him...so...
I'm very forgiving...
And great Avvy. :)

[SpideyLad]

*Takes a long run up*

*Kicks SpideLad hard in the nuts*

*Dodges*

*Cuts off regwec's testicles*

[Manic]

I liked Mickey. I hope he joins Torchwood for what's going to be an incredibly short season.

[chamber-music]

Link to the officalness?

And I find Tom Baker very overrated....
Choke on your lies :grin:
I liked Mickey. I hope he joins Torchwood for what's going to be an incredibly short season.
I agree, Noel has written for the show so he may as well be in it. I don't want anymore of that 'nudge nudge, wink wink crap!' Captain Jack and Martha had about travelling with the Doctor though.

[ihateusernames]

I never really watched Torchwood, do they mention the Doctor a lot in it?

[chamber-music]

I never really watched Torchwood, do they mention the Doctor a lot in it?

Not really, Captain Jack shares the most links with the Doctor and he never talks about his past.

Torchwood started off a more more adult orientated show than Doctor Who so they I think they didn't want to many references to The Doctor so kids didn't watch it. Last reason they made an edited version so kids could watch though and martha jones was in it so there where slight nods to the doctor.

[SpideyLad]

Choke on your lies :grin:


They aren't lies...:cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Not really, Captain Jack shares the most links with the Doctor and he never talks about his past.

Torchwood started off a more more adult orientated show than Doctor Who so they I think they didn't want to many references to The Doctor so kids didn't watch it. Last reason they made an edited version so kids could watch though and martha jones was in it so there where slight nods to the doctor.
An edited version? You mean the fact that the cursing and "let's have sex with everything, including inanimate objects" mantra were toned down? Those were positive all around for me. Maybe RTD should pander to kids more often. :up:

[Captain_BluTac]

Choke on your lies :grin:

I agree, Noel has written for the show so he may as well be in it. I don't want anymore of that 'nudge nudge, wink wink crap!' Captain Jack and Martha had about travelling with the Doctor though.

He has also written 2 movies, one of which was very successful and the other one isn't released till next month.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

It sounds so ridiculous and so far fetched but it only makes sense.

1. He was there in the end of the universe "with him"
2. Jack mention he has been pregnate, both as jack and bow
3. He lives forever

and last 4:
I'm not quite sure if this has been posted, too lazy to check. I'm really not sure what i heard, but I believed that RTD addressed River Song as a he. Did anyone else notice it, or it's just me.

TD

People on Digital Spy are nuts, I mean is this bloke on crack or something?

[Mister Sinister]

New books announced

Beautiful Chaos by Gary Russell - With The Tenth Doctor, Donna and Wilf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beautiful_Chaos)
The Eyeless by Lance Parkin - With The Tenth Doctor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyeless)
The Story of Martha by Dan Abnett and a whole bunch of short stories by others - With Martha, the Tenth Doctor and The Master (presumably) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Martha)

[Captain_BluTac]

Double Post

[Captain_BluTac]

Are those the ones coming out in December or October?

[Manic]

I never really watched Torchwood, do they mention the Doctor a lot in it?
:lmao:
They go out of their way to not mention the Doctor. It's always "I'm just looking for the right kind of doctor, wink wink, nudge nudge, hint hint. But we're not saying it! Listen, it's the sound of the TARDIS! But we're not showing it!"
Maybe RTD should pander to kids more often. :up:
Farting Slitheen. :csad:

[The Lizard]

It sounds so ridiculous and so far fetched but it only makes sense.

1. He was there in the end of the universe "with him"
2. Jack mention he has been pregnate, both as jack and bow
3. He lives forever

and last 4:
I'm not quite sure if this has been posted, too lazy to check. I'm really not sure what i heard, but I believed that RTD addressed River Song as a he. Did anyone else notice it, or it's just me. -TD

People on Digital Spy are nuts, I mean is this bloke on crack or something?

As much as I hate to admit it, when River Song mentioned she had been with the Doctor to the "end of the universe", I briefly thought about Jack and thought "Ew! Sex-change?" However, Jack had already meet the Doctor and would not be "spoiling" the future by meeting him sooner than what was supposed to happen like River said she was doing.

Plus, that would just be too incredibly lame, even for RTD.

[TheCorpulent1]

New books announced

Beautiful Chaos by Gary Russell - With The Tenth Doctor, Donna and Wilf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beautiful_Chaos)
The Eyeless by Lance Parkin - With The Tenth Doctor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyeless)
The Story of Martha by Dan Abnett and a whole bunch of short stories by others - With Martha, the Tenth Doctor and The Master (presumably) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Martha)
Hey, Dan Abnett writes awesome comics. That's cool. :up:

[The Englishman]

Whats the point in this mini series bollocks??!!?

[Captain_BluTac]

Whats the point in this mini series bollocks??!!?

Just to finish the series by the sounds of it.

[livrule]

To me Torchwood was a great idea ruined by pure confusion ... the show does not know what it wants to be.

It was born within what is more or less the biggest family show on British TV yet the first series was pure 'adults only' ...

That didn't work so the next series has less edge and for me was starting to get interesting. Now we have Martha????

Captain Jack as a character deserves more than this and I hope it ends with this bizzare mini-series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Martha hasn't been confirmed for season 3, has she?

[JustABill]

No, she's not confirmed, but it wouldn't surprise me as Freema has said she would always be Martha Jones whenever they needed her, so.

[regwec]

Mickey? Was there really a groundswell of popular demand for his return?

Why must crap be foisted upon us?

[Manic]

What was wrong with Mickey?

[JustABill]

All he did was ***** and nag at Rose about how she was traveling with The Doctor. He was also a terrible actor when it came to acting ''badass".

[Manic]

The only time he tried to act badass was as Ricky, and it was revealed that Ricky's badassness was a farce, as he was wanted for a misdemeanor. I've never gotten the impression Mickey has tried to be a badass.

I also didn't get that "trying to be badass" vibe from Martha during the Sontaran 2-parter, as some of you have.

The only characters I've noticed trying to be badass on this show (other than villains) are both Doctors and Jack.

[JustABill]

Yes, but with Tennant/Eccelston/Barrowman it worked. I'll agree I didn't get the whole thing with Martha in the Sontaran story, but Mickey definitely was trying to act badass even after Ricky was long dead and gone.

[Manic]

With Barrowman, it only works on Doctor Who. He tries way too hard sometimes on Torchwood.

I will admit that Mickey was probably trying in Army of Ghosts/Doomsday, when he tried to protect Rose from what he thought was going to be a Cyberman in the void ship. That's really about it.

Anyway, he's a likable guy. As long as he isn't trying to compete with the Doctor over Rose's affections, he's fine. And we haven't really seen that since The Christmas Invasion. In School Reunion, Girl in the Fireplace, and the Cyberman 2-parter, it looked more like he was just trying to be a part of their team.

[JustABill]

Not really, even then he was *****ing and nagging if I recall correctly. It has been a while since I saw the episodes with Mickey traveling on the Tardis though. I really don't feel like pulling the DVD out to watch them again either.

[Manic]

In School Reunion, he was *****ing about being the "Tin dog." He was complaining about not doing enough to be a part of the team.

In Girl in the Fireplace, he complained when he and Rose were captured by the clockwork androids, and the Doctor wasn't there to save them.

At the beginning of the Cybermen 2-parter, he complained about the Doctor forgetting he was there when he held down a button for 30 minutes straight. Then when Rose went off to find her father and the Doctor followed her, he complained about the Doctor going after Rose instead of him.

The focus of his b****-moaning shifted from Rose spending all of her time with the Doctor in series 1, to the Doctor not paying enough attention to him in series 2.

[JustABill]

Still no one likes a whiner.

[regwec]

Mickey is just a pointless hanger-on, of the type that really dents the appeal of the show at times. Why can't The Doctor associate himself with more interesting people? I would drag The Unicorn into my Tardis, kicking and screaming. :)

[04nbod]

Mickey's a cutee, he tries so hard.

[Kevin Roegele]

Anyone read the Dr Who comics?

A new trade paperback has just come out called The World Shapers, featuring the Sixth Doctor, Peri and Frobisher. It's great.

http://www.alteredvistas.co.uk/assets/images/CyberImage102.jpg

[chamber-music]

Anyone read the Dr Who comics?

A new trade paperback has just come out called The World Shapers, featuring the Sixth Doctor, Peri and Frobisher. It's great.

http://www.alteredvistas.co.uk/assets/images/CyberImage102.jpg
Is that a penguin wearing a hat?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mickey is just a pointless hanger-on, of the type that really dents the appeal of the show at times. Why can't The Doctor associate himself with more interesting people? I would drag The Unicorn into my Tardis, kicking and screaming. :)
I could see him going to Torchwood if they're doing a 1-to-1 replacement for Toshi and Owen. Martha's a doctor, so she fills Owen's role, and Mickey was shown to have some hacking experience, so he could fill Toshi's tech role. It'd be a bit silly to equate some guy who did a little hacking on his home computer with a woman who had actual jobs in the tech field and was supposedly a super-genius to begin with, but I doubt the people behind Torchwood would really be so discerning.

[04nbod]

Is that a penguin wearing a hat?

That is Frobisher the penguin companion. Screw superman's space monkey the sixth doctor knows his designer animals

[livrule]

Well, that was all kinds of wonderful ....

Loved the 'fake' ending.

[regwec]

Probably the best episode since the beginning of the show's revival, or at least on a par with The empty Child double and Dalek. The multiple layers of story were handled well, the devouring microbes cut a threatening figure in the guise of skeletal zombies, and its a rare thing to see The Doctor actually develope throughout a story.

The only weakness, I thought, was in the character arc of The Doctor's future companion. Her demise was very sensitively handled, but she hadn't built up enough likeability for me to really feel it.

Just realised that one of the characters was the lead from the dreadful St Trinian's movie!

[chamber-music]

Good episode overall

I knew Professor Song would bite the dust. Didn't like getting cut to the Donna stuff, it kind of killed the atmosphere.

[black_dust]

That was the better of the 2 parters, thought it lost the plot with donna arriving at CAL then it all levelled out! :D

[ttotheusher]

I thought it was quite interesting how their adding to the mythology by giving the Doctor a name, a name thats really secret. It'll be interesting how they play that out.

[Lord Valumart]

i'm pretty sure that the dr doesn't know his name...it was mentioned that he doesn't know it in TGITFP...i'm sure of it...i just can't be bothered watching that again to find out...

[Gallagher]

Why do I really want his name to be Dave?

Anyway, great episode :up:

[black_dust]

Well those people in the rome episode said something like "The Doctor... but your true name is hidden deep away"

If they dont know hell who does!

[Lord Valumart]

also the ending...

did anyone else think "oh...thats really evil and mean of the dr to stick her with people she really barely knew and with fake kids for eternity":huh:

[04nbod]

Why do I really want his name to be Dave?

Anyway, great episode :up:

Dave Ross! Wouldn't that be a dramatic twist.:wow:

[livrule]

also the ending...

did anyone else think "oh...thats really evil and mean of the dr to stick her with people she really barely knew and with fake kids for eternity":huh:

Mmmmm, I did sort of feel that but she seemed happy enough to see them and I think her mind will accept her new life much like Donna did.

[regwec]

Well, she thought that she had consigned herself to oblivian, so an afterlife with the hot girl from St Trinians and a few extras counts as a bonus.

Was anyone else impressed with the design and realisation of the spires and pits of the library? It seemed to take Doctor Who to a new level. I really want to see how other alien planets are handled, now. Bring on Skaro!

[Lord Valumart]

Mmmmm, I did sort of feel that but she seemed happy enough to see them and I think her mind will accept her new life much like Donna did.

yeh, but donna started to question it and got annoyed...i'm assuming that sooner or later she'll get annoyed with her "life"...

Bring on Skaro!

we've seen skaro many a time before...:csad::csad:

[black_dust]

yeh, but donna started to question it and got annoyed...i'm assuming that sooner or later she'll get annoyed with her "life"...



we've seen skaro many a time before...:csad::csad:

Well i felt she was pissed off about it anyway!

"Aggh Doctor!..... cant let anything rest!"

Or something like that

[regwec]

Yes, we have seen Welsh quarries under an array of different names; I am asking for an imaginative design and competent realisation of the Dalek's home planet, using modern technology.

[Captain_BluTac]

Probably the best episode since the beginning of the show's revival, or at least on a par with The empty Child double and Dalek. The multiple layers of story were handled well, the devouring microbes cut a threatening figure in the guise of skeletal zombies, and its a rare thing to see The Doctor actually develope throughout a story.

The only weakness, I thought, was in the character arc of The Doctor's future companion. Her demise was very sensitively handled, but she hadn't built up enough likeability for me to really feel it.

Just realised that one of the characters was the lead from the dreadful St Trinian's movie!

Tallulah Riley :heart:

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh and I think it's safe to say with this River Song dying we now know what the Ood meant when it said "your Song must come to an end"

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh and just to make it a triple post, where do you thing River Song (awesome name BTW) heard The Doctor's Name? Personally my mind went straight to a wedding.:o

[Manic]

i'm pretty sure that the dr doesn't know his name...it was mentioned that he doesn't know it in TGITFP...i'm sure of it...i just can't be bothered watching that again to find out...
In "The Girl in the Fireplace" when the Doctor was reading Reinette's mind, she started reading his back, and looking at his childhood. Her exact words were "Doctor... Doctor who? It's more than just a secret, isn't it?" Maybe the Doctor does know his own name, but he keeps it locked so far into his mind that no psychic can see it.
Was anyone else impressed with the design and realisation of the spires and pits of the library? It seemed to take Doctor Who to a new level. I really want to see how other alien planets are handled, now. Bring on Skaro!
Actually, I was very impressed by that. This was one of the few times we've looked at an alien world's exterior in the sunlight, and it was one of the most believable green screen environments I've seen on this show.

I loved the fake-out ending, where the Doctor realized at the last minute that he could save River's life. I was a little curious about him leaving River's TARDIary just sitting there for anyone to pick up, but all the humanoids are leaving, and I doubt the Vashtanarada can read.

[Speedball]

So...uhh...anyone seen the Journey's End spoiler pics?

[Manic]

I'd like to retract a previous statement. I think the Doctor really didn't know his name before River told him.

[ttotheusher]

So...uhh...anyone seen the Journey's End spoiler pics?

No, but I'm sure a little link might solve that...

[livrule]

So...uhh...anyone seen the Journey's End spoiler pics?

I've seen a fair few pics of them filming the episode but nothing final.

[The Englishman]

These are two of the best episodes ive seen on The "New" Doctor Who, great characters and great story. Cant Moffat take over now!!??!.....

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't like this two-parter much. The little girl was annoying, River Song is probably the most insufferable character I've ever seen, the Doctor felt decidedly unDoctorish throughout, and the Vashta Nerada got boring really, really, really quickly. The ending was so cheesy, too.

[Speedball]

No, but I'm sure a little link might solve that...
It's a torrent and it's an MPEG4 slideshow video, sorry...:o
I'm not revealing anything....but I am saying that a few pics don't look, to me, what people are making them out to be.

[livrule]

I didn't like this two-parter much. The little girl was annoying, River Song is probably the most insufferable character I've ever seen, the Doctor felt decidedly unDoctorish throughout, and the Vashta Nerada got boring really, really, really quickly. The ending was so cheesy, too.

Really?

What was it about the Dr that felt 'unDoctorish' to you?

[Bastila]

But ok so who is she!!!!!!! Like who she is, his wife....best buddy lol or something...

Knew she would die, but I liked her character....

'Spoiler's' - they said that alot maybe we should take note and not read spoilers lol.


This weeks looks ok......but these last two episodes have been very good I enjoyed them a lot.

[Savage]

Finally, a really good episode these season. Great episodes, these last two. It really made me wonder just how many alternate Doctors are running around out there. It boggles the mind even more because that could mean alternate versions of every time lord out there meaning trillions of the suckers. Even had a theory going that the entire race of time lords was just the one guy but then I realized I'm thinking way too deeply into this. :oldrazz:

Really sad and emotional ending. I mean what a conundrum. The doctor now knowing the fate of of this future companion and is left to deal with it.

[Gallagher]

Finally, a really good episode these season. Great episodes, these last two. It really made me wonder just how many alternate Doctors are running around out there. It boggles the mind even more because that could mean alternate versions of every time lord out there meaning trillions of the suckers. Even had a theory going that the entire race of time lords was just the one guy but then I realized I'm thinking way too deeply into this. :oldrazz:

Really sad and emotional ending. I mean what a conundrum. The doctor now knowing the fate of of this future companion and is left to deal with it.


You just blew my ****ing mind.

[Bastila]

Really sad and emotional ending. I mean what a conundrum. The doctor now knowing the fate of of this future companion and is left to deal with it.

Yeah I liked that, was nice as if he knew he at that time he would be all scared etc, but she knew him and to die knowing he didn't know her at that time must have been sad, as they must have really loved/trusted each other and to die with him not knowing you must have been sad.

I do hope we see her becoming his assisent though.

[Captain_BluTac]

The only way she could be the assistant was if Moffatt decided to age the Doctor after (I.E a jump in the Doctor's time line after next years specials) which I would be all for.:o

[The Lizard]

also the ending...

did anyone else think "oh...thats really evil and mean of the dr to stick her with people she really barely knew and with fake kids for eternity":huh:

I assumed that she might one day get a chance to come back to life with a new body, but who knows.

Another thing that ending made me think about was how the Doctor perceives death. Normally, one would assume that the Doctor didn't fear death and just saw it as a part of life, the next transition to another state of being, a great adventure, etc etc.

However, since RTD seems intent on beating the attitude of "There is nothing after death except empty blackness, so enjoy life to the fullest" into our heads on Torchwood, I wonder if some of that philosophy is bleeding over into Doctor Who now.

[Manic]

I have this theory about death on those shows. The way death is described in Torchwood is eerily similar to the way the Void between dimensions was described by the Doctor in Army of Ghosts. It's darkness, nothingness, and some people even knew the Void as "Hell." Perhaps the energy of someone's lifeforce moves into the Void. After all, just because there's "nothing" after death, that doesn't mean you're not going anywhere. You could just be going into a realm where there is nothing else. In a way, that opens up the possibility of bringing someone back from death if you could somehow navigate the infinite emptiness of the Void, and you weren't afraid to collapse your home dimension to enter it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really?

What was it about the Dr that felt 'unDoctorish' to you?
Mostly the stuff with River. It's weird to see him lose his composure and be so distracted. The fact that I found River completely annoying didn't help, either; we saw the Doctor kind of off his game because of Jenny in "The Doctor's Daughter," but I actually liked that.
'Spoiler's' - they said that alot maybe we should take note and not read spoilers lol.
Good God, I was about ready to break my TV if someone said "spoilers" again about halfway through the episode. :o

[The Lizard]

Mostly the stuff with River. It's weird to see him lose his composure and be so distracted. The fact that I found River completely annoying didn't help, either; we saw the Doctor kind of off his game because of Jenny in "The Doctor's Daughter," but I actually liked that.

Good God, I was about ready to break my TV if someone said "spoilers" again about halfway through the episode. :o

Yes, I have to admit that River's apparent smugness kind of annoyed me at certain times too, as well as the repetition of "spoilers" and "until the end of the universe!"

I'm sometimes afraid that RTD and the current staff of writers seem hell-bent on "leaving their mark" on the Doctor Who franchise by introducing as many radical concepts as possible to the mythos before their run on the series ends. Change is good of course, and they've obviously hit on a winning formula based on the popularity of the series. But some of the fanboy-ish, shipper-type material that's getting thrown into the show on a regular basis now seems a bit egocentric on the part of the writers.

[Manic]

Give a bunch of grown men & women the chance to write episodes for a TV show they grew up watching. It's a guarantee for "canon fan fiction" if there ever was one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but sometimes that actually turns out really well. Kurt Busiek's a total fanboy of the entire Marvel universe, which he translated into some of the best stories that universe has ever seen after he grew up.

[Lord Valumart]

Give a bunch of grown men & women the chance to write episodes for a TV show they grew up watching. It's a guarantee for "canon fan fiction" if there ever was one.

thats so true...

i know that personally i'd change things and create my own more adult who(less fart jokes and more blood really) and allow the dr to once again be the lonely god that he was at one point not so long ago:csad:

i'd also keep the snapping fingers...

[Captain_BluTac]

I assumed that she might one day get a chance to come back to life with a new body, but who knows.

Another thing that ending made me think about was how the Doctor perceives death. Normally, one would assume that the Doctor didn't fear death and just saw it as a part of life, the next transition to another state of being, a great adventure, etc etc.

However, since RTD seems intent on beating the attitude of "There is nothing after death except empty blackness, so enjoy life to the fullest" into our heads on Torchwood, I wonder if some of that philosophy is bleeding over into Doctor Who now.
Moffat has made it clear (on Doctor Who Confidential) that in his vision of Doctor Who there is no afterlife so death isn't a transition it is an end, and although the Doctor will allow himself to die (thus Donna's line about how he keeps finding things to die for, but not to live for) but he tries to guard the life of others wherever he can.

[Captain_BluTac]

Just thought I would piss off LV and post this before him.:o

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/Gluben/NewDavros.jpg

It hasn't been Photoshopped and it is a new Dalek next to him so I guess that's Davros confirmed then.

[SpideyLad]

Not a good idea to post that Blutac...The BBC has done some pretty bad **** to the OG for posting it.

[psychocheeseman]

Just thought I would piss off LV and post this before him.:o

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/Gluben/NewDavros.jpg

It hasn't been Photoshopped and it is a new Dalek next to him so I guess that's Davros confirmed then. Man that is so cool! Can't wait for Davros to come back, hope they don't mess him up too much.

The only way she could be the assistant was if Moffatt decided to age the Doctor after (I.E a jump in the Doctor's time line after next years specials) which I would be all for.:o
I'm almost hoping they leave her out of the series maybe leave it for the books perhaps - I don't think she actually says that they travel together anyway, maybe he just visits her alot throughout her life or something?

[the_ultimate_evil]

bad bad make up job,

[04nbod]

Aged doctor is davros?

[The Lizard]

Not a good idea to post that Blutac...The BBC has done some pretty bad **** to the OG for posting it.

Ha! SHH might run scared from Sony Pictures, but we don't take any crap from the Beeb! :cmad:

[Captain_BluTac]

Not a good idea to post that Blutac...The BBC has done some pretty bad **** to the OG for posting it.

The BBC did nothing other than request the photo was removed, when SHH gets the same request I'm sure it will be promptly removed.:o

[Lord Valumart]

Just thought I would piss off LV and post this before him.:o

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/Gluben/NewDavros.jpg

It hasn't been Photoshopped and it is a new Dalek next to him so I guess that's Davros confirmed then.

wow....thats....well thats just poor...:down

[Captain_BluTac]

I like the new Davros it reminds me of my nan.:o

[SpideyLad]

wow....thats....well thats just poor...:down

We can only hope it looks better in the episode. :csad:

[Lord Valumart]

I like the new Davros it reminds me of my nan.:o

old davros works on corrie now... he plays emily bishop...:o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Emilyb.jpg/200px-Emilyb.jpg

[psychocheeseman]

wow....thats....well thats just poor...:down
yeah upon closer inspection they could have done made him look a little more twisted, the big dangley chin doesn't do it for me.
I like the new Davros it reminds me of my nan.:olol. although does look alittle more realistic than these:

[SpideyLad]

yeah upon closer inspection they could have done made him look a little more twisted, the big dangley chin doesn't do it for me.
lol. although does look alittle more realistic than these:

Nah...Classic Dave is far better.:cmad:

[Captain_BluTac]

yeah upon closer inspection they could have done made him look a little more twisted, the big dangley chin doesn't do it for me.
lol. although does look alittle more realistic than these:

I like all of them, they're fun, but no one in a wheelchair can be scary, also I just heard that rthe Lumis dudey was supposed to be RTD's reinvention of Davros like the Judoon and The Ood.:o

[Lord Valumart]

Nah...Classic Dave is far better.:cmad:

we must wait for the full body comparison shot...

[04nbod]

I don't care about crappy old tennant davros when the finale has Judoon! (with rumoured adipose and slitheen!)

[Captain_BluTac]

I don't care about crappy old tennant davros when the finale has Judoon! (with rumoured adipose and slitheen!)

There's also been rumoured Autons, Gelth, Lady Cassandra, The Jagrafess, Reapers, Killer Robots, Nanites, Cat Nuns, Werewolves, Krillitane, Cybermen, Satan and a whole bunch of other crap I CBA to list as well as the White Guardian and the kitchen sink.:o

[04nbod]

There's also been rumoured Autons, Gelth, Lady Cassandra, The Jagrafess, Reapers, Killer Robots, Nanites, Cat Nuns, Werewolves, Krillitane, Cybermen, Satan and a whole bunch of other crap I CBA to list as well as the White Guardian and the kitchen sink.:o

BWAH! :D

really though its said the shadow proclamation takes them in after their planets disappear hence the Judoon who are there to keep the peace.

[Lord Valumart]

There's also been rumoured Autons, Gelth, Lady Cassandra, The Jagrafess, Reapers, Killer Robots, Nanites, Cat Nuns, Werewolves, Krillitane, Cybermen, Satan and a whole bunch of other crap I CBA to list as well as the White Guardian and the kitchen sink.:o

personaly i'd like more werewolves...

[The Lizard]

I want Silurians and Sea Devils!


- and Zygons.

[SpideyLad]

I want Silurians and Sea Devils!


- and Zygons.

I want decent writing and less Rose! :cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

new who needs more zygons...hell classic who needed more zygons!

[The Lizard]

new who needs more zygons...hell classic who needed more zygons!

And goofy Loch Ness monster puppets! :up:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2549/skarasenvu1.jpg

[Captain_BluTac]

OH NOES!:csad:

Tennant yet to consider 'Dr Who' future


http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/08/22/160x120_dw_episodics_s04e08_4.jpg


David Tennant has yet to consider his long-term future in Doctor Who as he hasn't been asked to take part in any further series.
Addressing speculation about whether he will return for the show's fifth season in 2010, Tennant told BBC One's The Andrew Marr Show: "I've not really been asked yet... if and when I'm asked then I'll consider the question. "The Scottish actor confirmed that he will be appearing in several specials in 2009 to bridge the gap between the current fourth season and the fifth. "We're definitely doing them," he stated. "I go back to it in January and I think we're doing four now." It has already been announced that a new showrunner will take charge of Doctor Who for its fifth season, with Steven Moffat replacing Russell T. Davies. Oh and has anyone else come across this site, it's all ********, but I can't stop reading it.:o
http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/

[Captain_BluTac]

STEAMPUNK DALEK! :wow::wow::wow:

http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/steampunk_dalek1.jpg

[04nbod]

I want decent writing and less Rose! :cmad:

:waa:

[Manic]

STEAMPUNK DALEK! :wow::wow::wow:

http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/steampunk_dalek1.jpg
Doesn't Willy Wonka drive one of those?

[SpideyLad]

:waa:

Nothing personal. *Hugs*

[COMPO]

And goofy Loch Ness monster puppets! :up:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2549/skarasenvu1.jpg

GO! GO! POWER RANGERS!

[Lord Valumart]

And goofy Loch Ness monster puppets! :up:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2549/skarasenvu1.jpg
you gotta admit that the zygons were above dr who at that point...
:waa:

he's right you know

rose sucked andthe writing is getting worse...

[Captain_BluTac]

LV making other people seem less arrogant in comparison since 1980 something.:o

[Lord Valumart]

1988 i'll have you know...:o

[Captain_BluTac]

1988 i'll have you know...:o

You couldn't talk (or type) in 88.:o

[Lord Valumart]

You couldn't talk (or type) in 88.:o

then it'll be 90/91...

[Captain_BluTac]

then it'll be 90/91...

You were 3 when you learnt to talk? god you must of been a slow child.:o

[Lord Valumart]

You were 3 when you learnt to talk? god you must of been a slow child.:o

idunno when kids are supposed to talk...why should i know:huh:

[Captain_BluTac]

idunno when kids are supposed to talk...why should i know:huh:

Most kids can talk (to some extent) by the time they're 1 if not earlier.:o

[Lord Valumart]

Most kids can talk (to some extent) by the time they're 1 if not earlier.:o

then i'd have been making other people seem less arrogant since 89 then...

[Captain_BluTac]

then i'd have been making other people seem less arrogant since 89 then...

You took your time, but you got there eventually.

[Lord Valumart]

You took your time, but you got there eventually.

yes...yes...

but i beleive i had some kind of valid point to begin with...

[Captain_BluTac]

yes...yes...

but i beleive i had some kind of valid point to begin with...

Sadly as usual you did not.:o

[Lord Valumart]

Sadly as usual you did not.:o

i did...it was about zygons...

[livrule]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn35/livrule/davros_drinking_revelation_150_150x.jpg

[The Lizard]

i did...it was about zygons...

Back in the early '80s (long before LV was born :csad:) I actually had a t-shirt that I bought from the Doctor Who Fan Club of America that had a little pic of a Zygon and said "Zygons are suckers".

None of the other kids at my school had a clue what it meant, which was not as cool a thing back then as it is now...

[Lord Valumart]

that sounds like one of the best tshirts ever...

but still...if new who can bring back the macra then they can bring back fan favourates like zygons, silurians, ice warriors, yeti...

man i want a poorly crated fully CGI yeti for the intro to one of the specials next year...like we're joining the dr at the end of a different adventure before the real one starts...

[Captain_BluTac]

They have finally released the name for episode 12 it's "The Stolen Earth" so not really that spoilerish, but at least it's a nice up yours to all those loons going on about it had to be "War On Skaro".:o

[regwec]

Another Earth invasion?

How is it that Doctor Who manages to make me feel bored with the planet I live on?

[Manic]

Looking back, I just realized something: Steven Moffat tends to write the episodes where people tend not to get killed-- at least permanently.

Empty Child 2-parter: With the exception of the countless people dying during WWII at the time, everybody lived. All the people transformed by the nanites were fixed, and some even came out healthier than before (like the woman who lost her leg, but gained it back).

Girl in the Fireplace: The only character to die was Reinette of old age.

Blink: Kathy and Billy died of old age.

Silence in the Library 2-parter: Dave, Dave, Anita, River, and Evangelista were eaten (except for River, who fried her own brain), but thanks to a fluke in 51st century technology, their minds were saved and uploaded into a virtual reality. In the only Moffat episode in which people actually get killed, some remnant of them still manages to survive. It appears that they're fully aware and in possession of their memories, too. From what Lux said about the reality they created for his aunt (where all the others were saved), it even looks like they'll be able to spend the rest of eternity living out whatever fictional and biographical tales they can find in the library database. They're the least death-like deaths I've ever seen without someone becoming undead.

[chamber-music]

Looking back, I just realized something: Steven Moffat tends to write the episodes where people tend not to get killed-- at least permanently.

Empty Child 2-parter: With the exception of the countless people dying during WWII at the time, everybody lived. All the people transformed by the nanites were fixed, and some even came out healthier than before (like the woman who lost her leg, but gained it back).

Girl in the Fireplace: The only character to die was Reinette of old age.

Blink: Kathy and Billy died of old age.

Silence in the Library 2-parter: Dave, Dave, Anita, River, and Evangelista were eaten (except for River, who fried her own brain), but thanks to a fluke in 51st century technology, their minds were saved and uploaded into a virtual reality. In the only Moffat episode in which people actually get killed, some remnant of them still manages to survive. It appears that they're fully aware and in possession of their memories, too. From what Lux said about the reality they created for his aunt (where all the others were saved), it even looks like they'll be able to spend the rest of eternity living out whatever fictional and biographical tales they can find in the library database. They're the least death-like deaths I've ever seen without someone becoming undead.
intresting

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have a problem with everyone surviving in Moffat's stories. The Doctor would look like a rather piss-poor hero if everyone kept dying around him in every episode.

[Captain_BluTac]

Looking back, I just realized something: Steven Moffat tends to write the episodes where people tend not to get killed-- at least permanently.

Empty Child 2-parter: With the exception of the countless people dying during WWII at the time, everybody lived. All the people transformed by the nanites were fixed, and some even came out healthier than before (like the woman who lost her leg, but gained it back).

Girl in the Fireplace: The only character to die was Reinette of old age.

Blink: Kathy and Billy died of old age.

Silence in the Library 2-parter: Dave, Dave, Anita, River, and Evangelista were eaten (except for River, who fried her own brain), but thanks to a fluke in 51st century technology, their minds were saved and uploaded into a virtual reality. In the only Moffat episode in which people actually get killed, some remnant of them still manages to survive. It appears that they're fully aware and in possession of their memories, too. From what Lux said about the reality they created for his aunt (where all the others were saved), it even looks like they'll be able to spend the rest of eternity living out whatever fictional and biographical tales they can find in the library database. They're the least death-like deaths I've ever seen without someone becoming undead.

That's already a pretty well established fact, he even joked about it in DWC.

[Manic]

They don't air Confidential in the US on Sci-Fi Channel. BBC America airs about 10 seconds worth of Confidential between commercial breaks. Also, I'm running on limited hard drive space, so I never download it.

[Captain_BluTac]

Just found out a couple of interesting things about episode 11: Turn Left, it's set in Rose's universe, in which Donna never met The Doctor (dunno how that's gonna work) and judging from the promo pics, Rose has her own TARDIS, but it looks broken and Donna's street looks like a ghetto (not Chavvy ghetto more a Nazi Germany ghetto) so I think it will be interesting, but it was written by RTD so it could be somewhat tacky.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Could be"?

[Manic]

Anyone else think tomorrow's episode might be the low point of the season/series? I just can't look forward to it after seeing the trailer.

[union_jak]

"It's coming fooor meeee waa waaa" I want to smack that woman everytime I see that trailer. I hope she is bumped off first.

[Captain_BluTac]

Your in for some disappointment Jak, In the RT interview the woman (Leslie Sharp) said that her character gets possessed and some other crap which made it sound like she's the episodes villain.

[Captain_BluTac]

Promo Pics for Davros and the Red Dalek

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/Main/Davros2.jpghttp://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/Main/RedDalek2.jpg

Edit - The other Davros pic was deleted from my Photobucket account.:cmad:

[livrule]

Nice, to be fair its hard to moan about Nu-Davros ... all I could have hoped for really.

[Captain_BluTac]

Yeah I quite like the New Davros, but the height of the red Dalek worries me, please god don't let Harriet Jones be in there!

[livrule]

Yeah I quite like the New Davros, but the height of the red Dalek worries me, please god don't let Harriet Jones be in there!

I have a horrible feeling she will be.

[Captain_BluTac]

I have a horrible feeling she will be.

Maybe she could be like "The Bride Of Davros" :D

[livrule]

Maybe she could be like "The Bride Of Davros" :D

They could hold hands as they trundle around ....

[TheCorpulent1]

There are red Daleks now? When do we get the day-glo Daleks and the neon pink Daleks?

[Gold Samurai]

There have been red daleks in the past with "invasion of earth". I found that out when someones avatar was changing images to the red daleks

High quality images of davros and the red dalek
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3809/82898134so2.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8536/92252831lg8.jpg

[SpideyLad]

Well, RTD is gonna be getting an OBE for being "One of the best writers in Television today"....

[Red X]

Madness.

[chamber-music]

They give away OBE's like cotton candy these days anyway

[chamber-music]

There are red Daleks now? When do we get the day-glo Daleks and the neon pink Daleks?

I wanna see day-glo Darleks having a mass rave up :oldrazz:

[04nbod]

There have been red daleks in the past with "invasion of earth". I found that out when someones avatar was changing images to the red daleks

High quality images of davros and the red dalek
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3809/82898134so2.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8536/92252831lg8.jpg

EDIT-actually screw that, a lurker would put what i said on digitalspy and I would have hell to pay. Lets just say there is one more picture doing the rounds. I will NOT post it.

[04nbod]

I have a horrible feeling she will be.

What i've been told-

Harriet is not the supreme dalek.

A Harriet is killed by 3 simultaneous dalek blasts

Donna appears to die in 'Turn Left' Her last words are bad wolf

The cliffhanger of Turn Left is Rose seeing the words bad wolf EVERYWHERE

[Lord Valumart]

*sigh*...i remember when rose was never going to come back cause she was trapped in an other universe...:csad:

[04nbod]

*sigh*...i remember when rose was never going to come back cause she was trapped in an other universe...:csad:

I remember when you were cool:csad:

[Lord Valumart]

I remember when you were cool:csad:

i'm still cool...it's the rest of you thats changed...

[04nbod]

i'm still cool...it's the rest of you thats changed...

:bh:
rawwwrrrr!!!!

[Lord Valumart]

:bh:
rawwwrrrr!!!!

don't rawr me...i'll grr you...

grrrr...

[Manic]

They give away OBE's like cotton candy these days anyway
I think there are even some non-Brits who were given those. Doesn't Spielberg have one?

[livrule]

Very interesting episode ... much better than the 'filler' episode I was expecting.

The fear and paranoia was intense and all involved did well.

[Lord Valumart]

who the hell sunbathes in a bath robe? who?!?!

[black_dust]

"Flipbbl Floobble flip frland"

Best line of the series :D

Really like that episode. hats off to the blonde woman she had to learn everyones lines! (im sure ive seen her in summit else)

[Dr Lee]

Definate 'Whaaat!' moment when Rose appeared again.

Next week looks crazy..... How many episodes are left?

[union_jak]

I'm surprised. The trailer made that episode look like a generic, unintelligent family horror set on a space ship. I expected a lot of running and a lot of people dying, but it was actually very well done.

Quite liked that they kept it all to a minimum of scenes and settings. I presume they filmed this at the same time as the Doctor-less episode, which explains why Catherine Tate was hardly in it.

[Captain_BluTac]

"Flipbbl Floobble flip frland"

Best line of the series :D

Really like that episode. hats off to the blonde woman she had to learn everyones lines! (im sure ive seen her in summit else)

Leslie Sharpe she's pretty well known, she was in Afterlife and that program with CE about the second coming.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

I think there are even some non-Brits who were given those. Doesn't Spielberg have one?

He has a CBE.

[Captain_BluTac]

who the hell sunbathes in a bath robe? who?!?!

So rather than admitting that RTD wrote a good episode you pick out an insignificant goof, real mature.:whatever:

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh and the thing on Donna's back looks like some weird beetle looking thing, people are already saying it was a Racnoss Baby.

[livrule]

So rather than admitting that RTD wrote a good episode you pick out an insignificant goof, real mature.:whatever:

Indeed, RTD deserves praise for that one imo ...

[ttotheusher]

IMO, its never been the dialogue and character writing RTD has had problems with, its always been his finales and their lame climaxes.

[Captain_BluTac]

IMO, its never been the dialogue and character writing RTD has had problems with, its always been his finales and their lame climaxes.

I liked the finales of series 1 and 2, it was only really last year's that was ****e.:o

[Lord Valumart]

So rather than admitting that RTD wrote a good episode you pick out an insignificant goof, real mature.:whatever:
i'll be mature when i want to be...

and rtd has writen some good eps, rose was brilliant and i loved love & monsters. it's just when he actually tries to go all sci fi with proper aliens and what not that it all goes a bit annoying comedy camp...
Oh and the thing on Donna's back looks like some weird beetle looking thing, people are already saying it was a Racnoss Baby.

personally i'm hoping for a 3rd dr reference to pop up but i doubt it:csad:

[Captain_BluTac]

i'll be mature when i want to be...

and rtd has writen some good eps, rose was brilliant and i loved love & monsters. it's just when he actually tries to go all sci fi with proper aliens and what not that it all goes a bit annoying comedy camp...

With the lack of an emote I cant tell if your being sarcastic or not.:o

[union_jak]

It was nice to see Kyla from Holby City in it, and I know the Professor was the 2nd Doctor's son, but where would I know the professor's student from? I recognised her.

[Lord Valumart]

With the lack of an emote I cant tell if your being sarcastic or not.:o

there was not even a hint of sarcasm...

[Captain_BluTac]

there was not even a hint of sarcasm...

But everyone hated LAM and the Absorbaloff.

[Lord Valumart]

But everyone hated LAM and the Absorbaloff.

yes...and everyone loved blink and GITF....:whatever:

[Captain_BluTac]

yes...and everyone loved blink and GITF....:whatever:

They did!:cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

They did!:cmad:

no...

blink was not in the slightest bit scary and really it just wasn;t good...

and GITF was just poorly put on screen and the love story felt forced in there...

[Captain_BluTac]

no...

blink was not in the slightest bit scary and really it just wasn;t good...

and GITF was just poorly put on screen and the love story felt forced in there...

OMG you hate Moffat! You now must die!:cmad:

[Lord Valumart]

OMG you hate Moffat! You now must die!:cmad:

no... the empty child/the doctor dances are two of the best episodes in series 1...it's just like with most of the other writers he's gotten worse from then on....

[Captain_BluTac]

no... the empty child/the doctor dances are two of the best episodes in series 1...it's just like with most of the other writers he's gotten worse from then on....

Not really.

[Lord Valumart]

Not really.

nothing has lived up to series 1...nothing...they've just went over old ground and then when they get to trying to fix it by giving us something newish that we haven't seen in the past 3 years it all goes wrong with the return of rose...

[black_dust]

Leslie Sharpe she's pretty well known, she was in Afterlife and that program with CE about the second coming.:o

Thats the one!!! the crazy lady from afterlife

[Captain_BluTac]

nothing has lived up to series 1...nothing...they've just went over old ground and then when they get to trying to fix it by giving us something newish that we haven't seen in the past 3 years it all goes wrong with the return of rose...

You're wrong.

[Lord Valumart]

You're wrong.

about what part?

and ican;t be wrong, it's opinion...opinion is never wrong...it's never right either but still...

[Captain_BluTac]

about what part?

and ican;t be wrong, it's opinion...opinion is never wrong...it's never right either but still...

No you're wrong.

[Lord Valumart]

I cant believe Dr Who is so well praised. It has some of the worst acting I have ever seen, period. The dialogue is cheesy, bland, often cringe worthy and shockingly wooden.
yes...and we love it casue it's freakin awesome...
No you're wrong.

again...how? how am i wrong?

[Captain_BluTac]

It has the acting of a standard daytime soap opera, if not worse. :huh:

Okay let me guess you're an overweight American or Canadian teenager, that loves Batman and has never known the touch of a woman chances are you also have very few friends and distinctly average grades and despite feeling that you were meant for something better each year your fear that you will end up in some crappy minimum wage job gets worse and worse so your way of compensating for this fact is being cynical and critical about anything and everything.

[Captain_BluTac]

yes...and we love it casue it's freakin awesome...


again...how? how am i wrong?

You just are.

[livrule]

no...

blink was not in the slightest bit scary and really it just wasn;t good...

and GITF was just poorly put on screen and the love story felt forced in there...

Thats all wrong.

[Hunter Rider]

Stop the bickering.

I cant believe Dr Who is so well praised. It has some of the worst acting I have ever seen, period. The dialogue is cheesy, bland, often cringe worthy and shockingly wooden.

If you think it is that bad and you are smart then you aren't watching it anymore right ? So you don't need to be coming in this thread again.

[Lord Valumart]

You just are.
thats not a reason
Thats all wrong.

and it's not wrong, it's what i thought...it's neither wrong or right...

[Speedball]

It's his opinion...so...
Anyway...I hope the new episode downloads before I can leave...
It's gonna be three weeks of no Doctor Who or TV in general, at least not in Italian...

[SpideyLad]

I quite liked 'Midnight'. Rather good episode. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I just watched "Blink" again with some friends last night (they're watching the new Doctor Who episodes for the first time on DVD). I'm pretty sure that it's my absolute favorite episode of the new Doctor Who series now.

[ihateusernames]

I liked Midnight, suprisingly good episode.
Next weeks looks pretty good too.

[Manic]

Midnight was a decent episode, but I don't like how it ended. It felt unresolved. Here's this alien lifeform living on a diamond planet, and the moment it sees other lifeforms it... what? Possesses the most frightened one, and tries to steal the Doctor's voice for no real reason? Wow. Gotcha. And here I was hoping Sky's "She said she'd get me" would play a factor later in the episode.

[ihateusernames]

Yeah, it really didn't have any resolution at the end.
I just put it to the thing that possesed Sky dieing as it had possesed a human body, and with the sun making it impossible to do anything, they just gave in to a lost cause.

[ttotheusher]

I quite liked the episode, but you cant help but think "filler" afterwords. I wonder what RTD has planned for us in the coming weeks.

[Manic]

This is going to be another 3-part finale, right?

[ttotheusher]

I assume so.

[ttotheusher]

BTW, Manic, what DO those phone numbers have in common?

[SpideyLad]

This is going to be another 3-part finale, right?

It certainly is.

[Manic]

They're all songs.

"777-9311" by The Time

"634-5789" by Wilson Pickett

"867-5309" by Tommy Tutone

[ttotheusher]

They're all songs.

"777-9311" by The Time

"634-5789" by Wilson Pickett

"867-5309" by Tommy Tutone

Oh, cool. Never would of guessed it in a million years. :yay: But, of course, The Doctor would have.

[union_jak]

Have. Would have. Not of.

[livrule]

Midnight was a decent episode, but I don't like how it ended. It felt unresolved. Here's this alien lifeform living on a diamond planet, and the moment it sees other lifeforms it... what? Possesses the most frightened one, and tries to steal the Doctor's voice for no real reason? Wow. Gotcha. And here I was hoping Sky's "She said she'd get me" would play a factor later in the episode.

Thats what I liked best about this episode ....

For once viewers were not force-fed reasons and motives for what happened ... the lifeform was without question evil but why it did what it did we will never know.

A mature and intelligent story that forces us to use a little imagination.

[Captain_BluTac]

Thats what I liked best about this episode ....

For once viewers were not force-fed reasons and motives for what happened ... the lifeform was without question evil but why it did what it did we will never know.

A mature and intelligent story that forces us to use a little imagination.

My thoughts exactly, the fact that we didn't know who or what it was kept it scary and kept it tense and I also like how the Hostess saved them all in such a simple (but for the circumstances realistic) manner when we are so used to the Doctor saving the day with clever words and complex (well sorta) processes .

[The Lizard]

Sorry to be a voice of dissent here, but "Midnight" was awful -- among the worst of this season and possibly among the worst of all the new episodes.

The "escalation" of the transport passengers into witch-burning levels of hysteria was not remotely convincing or realistic. It seemed totally contrived and forced. RTD was obviously trying to make a statement about human nature akin to the classic Twilight Zone episode "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street), but these days he seems to lack the subtlety and restraint to do it right.

This episode turned out to be the pointless, poorly-executed filler I was afraid of. :csad:

[Manic]

I think a story where the villain is pure evil without a motive is the exact opposite of an intelligent story. It's a simplified story where the viewer isn't forced to think, because all we have to know is "villain=bad." Every villain on New Who has had a reason to be the bad guy, even if it was something as simple as survival, the desire for more power, or the way they were programmed. This episode just felt... lazy.

[JustABill]

Okay. This is just a random stupid question I was thinking of. If you could make it so there's no legal rights, no problems with crossing them over into the Whoverse, what fictional character from another TV show would you want to see travel with The Doctor as his companion?

I think The Doctor would have some interesting chemistry with Buffy or Veronica Mars. :o

[SpideyLad]

Okay. This is just a random stupid question I was thinking of. If you could make it so there's no legal rights, no problems with crossing them over into the Whoverse, what fictional character from another TV show would you want to see travel with The Doctor as his companion?

I think The Doctor would have some interesting chemistry with Buffy or Veronica Mars. :o

The Doctor and Indiana Jones! :cmad:

[ttotheusher]

The Doctor and either crew from Star Trek TOS/TNG.

[Gallagher]

The Doctor Vs James Nesbit's Jekyll and Hyde would be amazing :wow:

[Lord Valumart]

The Doctor and Indiana Jones! :cmad:

that wouldn't happen...

indy would make the villians run away with the very smell of him...the dr would thus be useless and turn to drink and the ways of evil where it turns out that the dr, dressed in drag after several nights of heavy drinking, picked up the masters ring and they are now fighting over control of the remote casue one wants to watch Ghostbusters on ITV while the other wants to watch 50 way to leave your lover on sky one....

also the daleks would melt when they got near indy...

[Obsidian]

I think a story where the villain is pure evil without a motive is the exact opposite of an intelligent story. It's a simplified story where the viewer isn't forced to think, because all we have to know is "villain=bad." Every villain on New Who has had a reason to be the bad guy, even if it was something as simple as survival, the desire for more power, or the way they were programmed. This episode just felt... lazy.

It really depends on the writing. I'm inclined to think that more will be answered about whatever it was in the upcoming episodes.

[the_ultimate_evil]

possible major spoilers

http://www.altnation.com/forums/television/135132-doctor-who-spoilers-remainder-series.html


though i don't think donna read about her death in the library

i don't know how true they are, but they basically give away the entire plot of the last 3 episodes.

[ihateusernames]

I hate it when someone posts a link that basiclly reveals whats going to happen.

I mean, seriously, I'm only human.
I can't resist **** like that.

DAMN IT!

[JustABill]

I very much doubt those spoilers.

[TheCorpulent1]

How did everyone like Midnight? That was probably the most annoying, awful hour of television I've ever had the displeasure of sitting through. :huh:

[Magneto29]

It would have been better if they hadn't left it at a cliffhanger to what the "monster" was. Or maybe if it had more to it than them all bickering amongst themselves. But overall, it was decent; freaky in a good way. Gotta give the actors credit for having to match their voices.

[The Lizard]

How did everyone like Midnight? That was probably the most annoying, awful hour of television I've ever had the displeasure of sitting through. :huh:

QFT

[Manic]

I liked it more than "Daleks in Manhattan."

[ttotheusher]

How did everyone like Midnight? That was probably the most annoying, awful hour of television I've ever had the displeasure of sitting through. :huh:

Correction, the worst 45 minutes you've ever sat through. :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked it more than "Daleks in Manhattan."
That at least had more of a plot than "Doctor gets trapped on a tram and plays 'shadow' for half an hour with something that's never ever explained."

[Gallagher]

So, didn't exactly miss a masterpiece on saturday then?

Good to know.

[SpideyLad]

I very much doubt those spoilers.

Worry not, they're all false. Notice how it missed out Midnight in the synopsis?

That at least had more of a plot than "Doctor gets trapped on a tram and plays 'shadow' for half an hour with something that's never ever explained."

That fact that it's never really explained is sort of the point. The Doctor is trapped, and for once, he's completely helpless. I reckon the fact that it's never really explained what that thing was made it slightly unnerving.

[JustABill]

Yeah, I figured they were after thinking about it. The thing that stood out most to me that made them fake was that...

Jackie and Sarah Jane offer their lives because of their age, yet, Jackie is either pregnant or has a baby and Sarah Jane just gained a son in the form of Luke on her show. That'd make them both pretty bad ass dead beat moms if they were really willing to do that.

[black_dust]

So how many people have so far killed themselves to save the Doctor this series? 3? how many more to come i wonder....

[Savage]

Worry not, they're all false. Notice how it missed out Midnight in the synopsis?



That fact that it's never really explained is sort of the point. The Doctor is trapped, and for once, he's completely helpless. I reckon the fact that it's never really explained what that thing was made it slightly unnerving.

Yeah, that was definitely what did it for me. Seeing the Doctor so helpless was part of what made this one of my favorite episodes this season. The little Goblin poem actually made me consider the possibility of this being some kind of Goblin and that creeped me out even more. The unexplained is always scarier than something that you know the science too and if it creeps out the Doc then you know it's something freaky. I mean for once something shut him up and curiosity went out the window. Curiosity really did almost kill the cat in this case.

[Lord Valumart]

That at least had more of a plot than "Doctor gets trapped on a tram and plays 'shadow' for half an hour with something that's never ever explained."

it never being explained is better than the dr blasting us with the entire history of the race,thats why i didn;t like the shadowy chicken eaters, casue the dr knew EXACTLY what they were and thus took most of the fear away from them. the fact that there's something out there the dr doesn't know about provides us with more fear and makes the monster much more than just a woman muttering. if the dr had goneand said "oh...it's a plasticotica vortrana...blah blah..." it would have instantly killed the episode...

[TheCorpulent1]

Okay, fine, I get that the unknown aspect is creepier. But really, about half of the episode is devoted to people just repeating or speaking in synch. I almost stopped watching a couple of times during that ridiculously drawn out nonsense. Plus, we don't know anything about the other characters on that tram, so how do we even know the thing was influencing them? Maybe they really are just some of the worst examples of humanity and that thing was just talking. The whole thing was boring and muddled to me.

[Dope Nose]

I very much doubt those spoilers.

some of them could be true given the "There's something on your back!" and "None of this was meant to happen." scenes from the Turn Left trailer.

[Gold Samurai]

so we'll just have to weed out what's truth and what's not from those spoilers. I think


Donna will sacrifice herself in some way.

We've already seen studio photos of davros and the red dalek.

In the turn left trailer Rose mentions traveling between universes

the medusa cascade was mentioned again in midnight.

Something on donna's back being a spider which inturn goes right back to the Racnos.

[SpideyLad]

some of them could be true given the "There's something on your back!" and "None of this was meant to happen." scenes from the Turn Left trailer.

They were seen in set reports months back, and this set of spoilers is pretty old to. So, what most people have theorised is that this is essentially everything we 'know' so far, stuck together with some really bad filling material.

[livrule]

it never being explained is better than the dr blasting us with the entire history of the race,thats why i didn;t like the shadowy chicken eaters, casue the dr knew EXACTLY what they were and thus took most of the fear away from them. the fact that there's something out there the dr doesn't know about provides us with more fear and makes the monster much more than just a woman muttering. if the dr had goneand said "oh...it's a plasticotica vortrana...blah blah..." it would have instantly killed the episode...

Amen ... well said.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Yeah, I figured they were after thinking about it. The thing that stood out most to me that made them fake was that...

Jackie and Sarah Jane offer their lives because of their age, yet, Jackie is either pregnant or has a baby and Sarah Jane just gained a son in the form of Luke on her show. That'd make them both pretty bad ass dead beat moms if they were really willing to do that.

have you never seen something by RTD, that would be the norm for him, hopefully your right

[Lord Valumart]

Amen ... well said.

aha!! i win!!

BOO YA!!!

[JustABill]

have you never seen something by RTD, that would be the norm for him, hopefully your right
Yes, and he's not that BAD of a writer. He's actually a decent writer, not the best on the Who staff, that goes to Moffat, but he's not bad like everyone makes him out to be and even he knows a mother would never leave their baby/son. :rolleyes:

I mean If Jackie has lost the baby maybe I can see her saying it, as she probably sees Rose as old enough to take care of herself, but Sarah Jane know, she has a 15 year old who can't take care of himself, so yeah.

[Captain_BluTac]

so we'll just have to weed out what's truth and what's not from those spoilers. I think


Donna will sacrifice herself in some way.

We've already seen studio photos of davros and the red dalek.

In the turn left trailer Rose mentions traveling between universes

the medusa cascade was mentioned again in midnight.

Something on donna's back being a spider which inturn goes right back to the Racnos.



We already know the thing on Donna's back in Turn Left is a beetle not a spider.:o

[Captain_BluTac]

so we'll just have to weed out what's truth and what's not from those spoilers. I think


Donna will sacrifice herself in some way.

We've already seen studio photos of davros and the red dalek.

In the turn left trailer Rose mentions traveling between universes

the medusa cascade was mentioned again in midnight.

Something on donna's back being a spider which inturn goes right back to the Racnos.



We already know the thing on Donna's back in Turn Left is a beetle not a spider.:o

[JustABill]

Jenny better be the series 5 companion. :o

[Manic]

Jenny or Sally Sparrow. Yes, I'm still holding out hope for Sally. Moffat needs to stop introducing characters with companion potential like Sally, or future companions like River.