The "New" Doctor Who

[SpideyLad]

One of the best episodes of the series

[regwec]

I couldn't disagree more. I find it hugely frustrating that, with all the scope possible with Doctor Who, we're still effectively three miles away, five minutes into the future. The episode was genuinely creepy, and it did maintain its tone throughout, and both are to be commended, but there was an awful lot of dead weight in the form of unnecessary distractions for Mickey and Rose.

And I was bloody livid that it was delayed by half an hour to allow yet more of Graham Nought-On's fillibuster.

[Happenstance]

It was delayed half an hour because the FA Cup final went into extra time and penalties. Which Liverpool won, Wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

[grey_jeanie]

It was delayed half an hour because the FA Cup final went into extra time and penalties. Which Liverpool won, Wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't think they were going to!

[regwec]

OK, I had forgotten that was on BBC 1.

More opinions on the episode? (I hate ranting to myself).

I did at least think that the Cybermen were very well realised.

[Happenstance]

It must have been a great match to watch for a neutral fan. As im a Liverpool fan it was nailbiting as hell. West Ham played amazingly well and Liverpool for most of the first half were way too sloppy.
Thankfully though they didnt give up and got some great goals and Reina made some great saves.

Once again, WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

[Happenstance]

OK, I had forgotten that was on BBC 1.

More opinions on the episode? (I hate ranting to myself).

I did at least think that the Cybermen were very well realised.

I wasnt too happy with Rose and Mickey in this episode, you would think by now they'd learn to listen to what the Doctor has to say

[Mister Sinister]

I ****ING HATE FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I work SATURDAYS AND I HAD IT SET TO RECORD, BUT THE ****ING FOOTBALLERS HAD TO GO AND NOW I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER ****ING DAY!!!!!!!!!!

[grey_jeanie]

I wasnt too happy with Rose and Mickey in this episode, you would think by now they'd learn to listen to what the Doctor has to say

Rose, I feel, is incomparable with the sharpness and poise of Madam de Pompadore in last weeks episode. She seems.. a bit plain now. And Mickey, I wish he'd get lost and leave the Doctor and Rose to it.

The Cyber men were good on the whole. I would have redesigned them a bit differently myself and they looked a bit unrealistic in their movement at times.

[Whirlysplat]

Rose, I feel, is incomparable with the sharpness and poise of Madam de Pompadore in last weeks episode. She seems.. a bit plain now. And Mickey, I wish he'd get lost and leave the Doctor and Rose to it.

The Cyber men were good on the whole. I would have redesigned them a bit differently myself and they looked a bit unrealistic in their movement at times.

I think Mickey might stay with his alternate Nan and Ricky might go with the Doctor and Rose. :) Just a thought!

I read about that too. Never was too clear on when they dropped the whole "for kids" angle though.

I am not sure it was or has been dropped. Although it was always a full BBC drama production. Which is weird.

Get a black Dr :)

Good idea!

Quite a good episode tonight, not a lot of action but thats usual for a two parter.
Unfortunately though Roger Lloyd Pack's acting was awful.

Most of the acting is terrible.

- Whirly

[black_dust]

I liked that one i was just getting into it and BOOM!

TO BE CONTINUED.....


God dammit!

[Mr. Thing]

I liked that one i was just getting into it and BOOM!

TO BE CONTINUED.....


God dammit!

Just like the old stuff.

[black_dust]

Means i have to wait a whole week!

I have to say Mickey (or Rickey) was cool as a bad ass! :D Pitty i makes Mickey look like a real whimp!

[regwec]

Except that the actor has absolutely no ability to even impersonate a tough guy. He looked constipated.

[Lord Valumart]

It was delayed half an hour because the FA Cup final went into extra time and penalties. Which Liverpool won, Wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
the bastards:mad: :mad: :(

anyhow....it was a good ep...but a terrible thing happened...whilst recording that ep there was a power cut...and the disc was wiped:( which means i have to buy the damn boxset now:mad:

[Lady Stormcrow]

Overall, I really liked it as an episode. The way the cybermen came into focus near the end was really good (though someone else's review I read said it was for tension, I thought it stayed blurry so long because it was a 'doctor's point-of-view' shot, and he wasn't wearing his glasses.)

I thought Roger Lloyd-Pack's acting was really good, though so far few people agree with me on that one...
I also liked the dark humor when those homeless folks were being turned into cybermen, and the minion put that jolly music on.
One complaint I have was that there was too little of the doctor in it. Another is that we're in london. earth. again.
Also the fact that Rose's family are in it again. It'll cause problems when Billie Piper leaves, because they wont just have to find another companion, they'll have to get rid of Roses's family too. Its been a side to dr who that wasnt shown much at all in the old series; the effect on the families, but I think its been a bit over kill really. I mean, are they going to recruit a whole new family too go with the next companion too?
I did think it had some great dialogue too, and the 'to be continued' at the end just knocked me off my seat. I thought it would end after the doctor surrendered, and they'd just be taking Rose and him away, but instead we get an even more fabulous cliffhanger! The cybermen looked great too, and the scene with the Tardis falling out of the vortex was something special.
Wow, Ive been wittering a long time. I'll shut up now. :)

[regwec]

I pretty much agree with that. Lloyd-Pack played a two-dimensional "baddie", but he played it pretty well.

The "contemporary chav London" element of the series is beginning to drag a little. The novelty has worn off- it now seems indulgent and idle to include large sections of soap opera in a science fiction adventure. The Doctor should keep Rose away from her family, dump Mickey, and take Cleopatra and an alien on board.

[Mr. Thing]

The Doctor should keep Rose away from her family

That's not very nice is it? :p

[Captain Villa]

"Trigger" could not carry his role off - Very wooden.

[The Amazing Lee]

I f**king missed this episode.

::Cries:

[Rambo, John J]

Except that the actor has absolutely no ability to even impersonate a tough guy. He looked constipated.

I actually thought he did the two halves - 'tough guy Ricky' and 'wet blanket Mickey' - very well! I genuinely got a sense of menace from Ricky and Mickey... well same old, same old...

Although from next weeks' preview, methinks Mickey's going to do an oul' 'H' Rimmer > Ace Rimmer switcheroo.

And i'm not overly put out by Rose's constant family reunions and jealousy schtick. Seems to me the character of Rose is simply having the point driven home to her that life with the Doctor is not all adventure and excitement. As far as i'm aware Billie Piper hasn't confirmed whether she's staying on at the end of the series and as such the writers are giving her character an understandable reason for leaving.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Today's the day we find out how the doctor and pals escape the cyberdudes. Hopefully in this episode I'll have better luck hearing them, the electronic voices were a bit tricky for me to decipher, though everone else I know had no trouble!

[Whirlysplat]

Today's the day we find out how the doctor and pals escape the cyberdudes. Hopefully in this episode I'll have better luck hearing them, the electronic voices were a bit tricky for me to decipher, though everone else I know had no trouble!


I also found the voices hard work.

- Whirly

[Avalanche]

Part II of the Cybermen:

Hmm, I'll be honest, overall, the Cybermen have been one of the weaker plots for me. I can't get into the the homages to past Doctor Who evils. They show their age.

The reaction of Roses' father was, I don't know, strange. You would think he'd want to know a little more about the other universe in which he had a daughter.

And Mickey is staying in the parallel universe. Good. I was getting sick of his 'no one cares about me' crap.

The Doctor, he does look rather fetching in a tux. Much appreciated. :p

Next weeks episode: looks more like my type of episode, though it is another earth episode.

[Lady Stormcrow]

***Spoilers for anyone who didnt watch it**


I liked the episode, I thought it was brilliant, but also disturbing
(And like you said Avalanche, looks like earth again next week. Good, I was getting a bit tired of them scooting off to the far reaches of the univer- oh, wait)

Anyway, back to the age of steel. Like I said before, really great episode, with some really exciting elements. Mickeys gone, and part of me rejoices, and part of me is slightly sad about it, because he was beginning to seem alright.
More doctor this time- woo! And it seems theyve chosen to materialise the Tardis in Roses's house..for a change... which seemed odd for some reason..

The disturbing parts were in particular the cyberjackie, and the cyberperson called sally, looking for greg I think. That was really sad.

[SpideyLad]

Not a bad episode. Mickey is gone :D

But, Earth again next week.....Can't they think of anywhere else to take them to?

[Lord Valumart]

oh....such a good ep....it was the best ever....

such disturbing bits.....such evil bits.....such a brilliant way for alt. pete to go(all freaked out and such)...

12/10

[Red X]

Great episode.

Best line...

Mickey: You're just making this up as you go along
The Doctor: Yeah, but I do it brilliantly.

[Bat Brain]

Thanks God they got rid of Mickey, he was realy pissing me off with his awful acting and constant whining. Overall, pretty good episode. I thought the dying Cyberman bride was a bit crap though.

[Lord Valumart]

there's a point...how does Micky still know that Ricky's gran is still alive??

she had ear thingys...anything could have happend to her...i'll list them

1. she became a cyberman and danced herself to death
2. she wasn;t compatible and got crispy fried
3. she wasn;t converted, got lost in the factory and got cripsy fired
4. she was killed by a cyberman
5. the stair crapet got her...DAMN THAT CARPET!!! DAMN YOU!!!
6. she was wondering around and got hit by a car

6 is a long shot..but panic, running and blindess don;t really go well together do they?

[SpideyLad]

there's a point...how does Micky still know that Ricky's gran is still alive??

she had ear thingys...anything could have happend to her...i'll list them

1. she became a cyberman and danced herself to death
2. she wasn;t compatible and got crispy fried
3. she wasn;t converted, got lost in the factory and got cripsy fired
4. she was killed by a cyberman
5. the stair crapet got her...DAMN THAT CARPET!!! DAMN YOU!!!
6. she was wondering around and got hit by a car

6 is a long shot..but panic, running and blindess don;t really go well together do they?


Damn that carpet!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: And no.......Panic, running AND Blindness don't go well at all

[black_dust]

Great episode this week loved it :)

"Id call you a genius..... but im in the room"

Bring on some more like that and i`ll be happy

[Whirlysplat]

I am in the minority I guess, I liked Mickey.

- Whirly

[Flame on!]

there's a point...how does Micky still know that Ricky's gran is still alive??

she had ear thingys...anything could have happend to her...i'll list them

1. she became a cyberman and danced herself to death
2. she wasn;t compatible and got crispy fried
3. she wasn;t converted, got lost in the factory and got cripsy fired
4. she was killed by a cyberman
5. the stair crapet got her...DAMN THAT CARPET!!! DAMN YOU!!!
6. she was wondering around and got hit by a car

6 is a long shot..but panic, running and blindess don;t really go well together do they?
Even more ammusing is that the cites his Gran being there as reason to stay, but then bogs off to Paris at the end.

[The Amazing Lee]

I missed this complete arc :mad:

[Whirlysplat]

Even more ammusing is that the cites his Gran being there as reason to stay, but then bogs off to Paris at the end.

Yes the plot holes really are cheesy when compared to most american Sci Fi shows.

- Whirly

[Lady Stormcrow]

Great episode this week loved it :)

"Id call you a genius..... but im in the room"

Bring on some more like that and i`ll be happy

ooh, you beat me to it! I was going to post that quote :p

[Bat Brain]

Even more ammusing is that the cites his Gran being there as reason to stay, but then bogs off to Paris at the end.
:D You make a good point.

The first thought that came to my head as they drove off in the van was ''If they have their own spin-off show, the world will implode'' Seriously, they are two of the worst actors on TV at the moment.

[Whirlysplat]

:D You make a good point.

The first thought that came to my head as they drove off in the van was ''If they have their own spin-off show, the world will implode'' Seriously, they are two of the worst actors on TV at the moment.

I believe Roses family are moving into Albert Square. BBC execs feel that the hyperbole surrounding Doctor Who would bolster Eastenders ratings ;).
I get the feeling this series is going horribly wrong :down

- Whirly

[SpideyLad]

ooh, you beat me to it! I was going to post that quote :p

What about this one?

"Oh yes...that....Hash, and of course, my favourite....SEND!"

[Captain Villa]

Very good episode.

[Mister Sinister]

Lumic falling to his death was jaw-dropping

Idiot's Lantern next week then another two-parter in the form of the Doctor and Rose's first trip to an alien planet.

[Lady Stormcrow]

What about this one?

"Oh yes...that....Hash, and of course, my favourite....SEND!"

hehe, I love the pointing he did with his finger when he said 'send!'

[Whirlysplat]

But, Earth again next week.....Can't they think of anywhere else to take them to?


Probably be some old abandoned building again :lol:

It's the BBC it's cheap and looks it.

- Whirly

[3dman27]

is dr.who preempted on scifithis week for a holiday movie marathon?

[regwec]

The second part was much better than the first. The Cybermen, their leader and their factories were well realised, and the Doctor's method of overcoming them was in the spirit of textbook Doctor Who.

I did feel underwhelmed by the premise of the next episode, but it is written by Mark Gatiss, who should bring some genuine interest to it.

[Whirlysplat]

their factories were well realised

:( Well in the case of the outside it was Battersea, god that should be pulled down I see it everytime I go to Victoria which is about once a week and it's just got worse over my lifetime almost 40 years. I thought the conversion machines cgi looked BBC top draw, cheap and ten years behind the times.

- Whirly

[Hollow Wood Director]

:( Well in the case of the outside it was Battersea, god that should be pulled down I see it everytime I go to Victoria which is about once a week and it's just got worse over my lifetime almost 40 years. I thought the conversion machines cgi looked BBC top draw, cheap and ten years behind the times.

- Whirly

You don't seem to have anything good to say about the new series of Doctor Who. I've read several of your posts over the past few pages and you come down heavy on more or less everything. I'm aware you're a long term Doctor Who fan who has a deep passion for the original show, but man it really makes for a depressing read everytime I see one of your posts. Isn't there anything good about this show? I haven't seen the second season because I now live in America, but I'm starting to ge a very bad vibe after some of the negative press I read around here and other forums like Outpost Gallifrey.

[Mister Sinister]

Well the news is that Gabriel Woolf who played the fantastic Sutekh in Tom Baker's Pyramids of Mars (great episode, well worth a look) will be playing Satan in The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two parter. Some speculation leads this to believe that it is Sutekh he's playing. Also...

THE ABZORBALOFF!!!

http://www.drwho-online.co.uk/newseries/abzorbaloff-2.jpg

http://www.drwho-online.co.uk/newseries/abzorbaloff-1.jpg

[Lord Valumart]

wow.....he looks like someone puked on a fat guy.....

[Bat Brain]

I believe that's the monster that was designed for the Blue Peter contest.

[Whirlysplat]

You don't seem to have anything good to say about the new series of Doctor Who. I've read several of your posts over the past few pages and you come down heavy on more or less everything. I'm aware you're a long term Doctor Who fan who has a deep passion for the original show, but man it really makes for a depressing read everytime I see one of your posts. Isn't there anything good about this show? I haven't seen the second season because I now live in America, but I'm starting to ge a very bad vibe after some of the negative press I read around here and other forums like Outpost Gallifrey.

I can only give my honest opinion, I liked some of last season. In regards to this season at times it is still quirky and has imagination, but and its a big BUT the show is not slick enough. It's charm wears thin, it's plots could be written on a postage stamp, it's effects vary in quality from the good to the very cheap. The acting is not to the standard of something like Battlestar Galactica. The BBC hype it to the extreme and the sheep are excited because they are not used to British Sci Fi. I grew up on it everything from the Tommorrow People, through Blakes 7 to Quatermass. That was long ago, this has the British feel to it but it's still to much a soap opera and leaves me feeling it's a glass half empty rather than a glass half full. It's a hollow show at the moment lacking something inside to fill it out. I shall keep watching hoping it improves but..... I think Davies can fool some of the people, some of the time only.

- Whirly

[SpideyLad]

Yuck.......That looks horrible.....

[regwec]

Is that some kind of Slitheen varient?

[regwec]

I can only give my honest opinion, I liked some of last season. In regards to this season at times it is still quirky and has imagination, but and its a big BUT the show is not slick enough. It's charm wears thin, it's plots could be written on a postage stamp, it's effects vary in quality from the good to the very cheap. The acting is not to the standard of something like Battlestar Galactica. The BBC hype it to the extreme and the sheep are excited because they are not used to British Sci Fi. I grew up on it everything from the Tommorrow People, through Blakes 7 to Quatermass. That was long ago, this has the British feel to it but it's still to much a soap opera and leaves me feeling it's a glass half empty rather than a glass half full. It's a hollow show at the moment lacking something inside to fill it out. I shall keep watching hoping it improves but..... I think Davies can fool some of the people, some of the time only.

- Whirly

I suppose this is all a matter of different priorities. I can go to see Henry V on stage and enjoy non-naturalistic battle scenes involving a handfull of people, without thinking that is sucked in comparrison to Braveheart.

It's true that Doctor Who doesn't offer as many bangs and flashes as some of the more meat-headed shows produced by richer networks, but I don't feel that damages the charm for me.

What does incur my displeasure is when the show is incapacitated by a lack of imagination. I'm prepared to use my own imagination to paper over the cracks and meet the BBC's meagre budget halfway, but there's no excuse to indulge in stale, contemporary-earth-bound tales revolving around second rate Eastenders extras.

[Whirlysplat]

I suppose this is all a matter of different priorities. I can go to see Henry V on stage and enjoy non-naturalistic battle scenes involving a handfull of people, without thinking that is sucked in comparrison to Braveheart.

It's true that Doctor Who doesn't offer as many bangs and flashes as some of the more meat-headed shows produced by richer networks, but I don't feel that damages the charm for me.

What does incur my displeasure is when the show is incapacitated by a lack of imagination. I'm prepared to use my own imagination to paper over the cracks and meet the BBC's meagre budget halfway, but there's no excuse to indulge in stale, contemporary-earth-bound tales revolving around second rate Eastenders extras.

I agree totally however the BBC should be a very rich network considering all our licence fees. If Chris Moyles wasn't given £650,000 a year they might be able to afford a new set occasionally.

- Whirly

[Hollow Wood Director]

I can only give my honest opinion, I liked some of last season. In regards to this season at times it is still quirky and has imagination, but and its a big BUT the show is not slick enough. It's charm wears thin, it's plots could be written on a postage stamp, it's effects vary in quality from the good to the very cheap. The acting is not to the standard of something like Battlestar Galactica. The BBC hype it to the extreme and the sheep are excited because they are not used to British Sci Fi. I grew up on it everything from the Tommorrow People, through Blakes 7 to Quatermass. That was long ago, this has the British feel to it but it's still to much a soap opera and leaves me feeling it's a glass half empty rather than a glass half full. It's a hollow show at the moment lacking something inside to fill it out. I shall keep watching hoping it improves but..... I think Davies can fool some of the people, some of the time only.

- Whirly


How times have changed. I do remember not so long ago when the BBC did not seem interested in reviving or marketing a new Doctor Who and the fans felt like Aunty Beeb didn't give this show the respect it deserved considering how much money it earned them in books / videos and all manner of merchandise. Now the fans have a brand new show but the BBC get criticised for over hyping the show. :) I guess they are damned if they do damned if they don't. I also grew up on many science fiction / fantasy shows both British and American and looking back on them now they weren't always as good as I remembered them. It's a weird coupling, nostalgia and childhood memories. I am most certainly not a sheep and neither are you, but I guess in this day and age a show has to appeal to the general public if it wants to be a success so for me I forgive it's shortcomings and celebrate it's strengths and it has many of them. The little nods to classic Who continuity should be commended because there are very few shows out there that consider past stories an integral part of their mythology. ( Star Trek being the exception ) Battlestar Galactica is a total reboot which frees up the writing, but also tramples on anything established in the original show. The fans did not like this at the time and although they've warmed to the format of the new series there are still a few loyal supporters who continue to dislike the direction it has taken. I love the old show and enjoy the new one, however there are lots of things about Battlestar Galactica 2.0 I could nit pick to death and I certainly don't see it being superior to Who it's just different. I totally agree the new family friendly Doctor Who stories are more simple in structure when comparing them to the heavy political more adult themes used in Battlestar Galactica but the same goes for anything else you may want to compare alongside that show. Stargate SG1 and it's sister show Atlantis seem very drama light when aired on the same nightly scheduel as Battlestar Galactica in America. As for special effects Doctor Who has come a long way since the early days and I think they're pretty fine. I've seen dodgy effects in nearly every American TV show you care to mention so that's hardly something that can only be targeted at British sci- fi shows. Still it was nice of you to share your feelings with me and I hope one day a new batch of Doctor Who writers will be brought onboard to beef it up so that the likes of your good self will end up loving "Who" again.

[Hollow Wood Director]

I agree totally however the BBC should be a very rich network considering all our licence fees. If Chris Moyles wasn't given £650,000 a year they might be able to afford a new set occasionally.

- Whirly

I really dislike Chris Moyles.:(

[Whirlysplat]

How times have changed. I do remember not so long ago when the BBC did not seem interested in reviving or marketing a new Doctor Who and the fans felt like Aunty Beeb didn't give this show the respect it deserved considering how much money it earned them in books / videos and all manner of merchandise. Now the fans have a brand new show but the BBC get criticised for over hyping the show. :) I guess they are damned if they do damned if they don't. I also grew up on many science fiction / fantasy shows both British and American and looking back on them now they weren't always as good as I remembered them. It's a weird coupling, nostalgia and childhood memories. I am most certainly not a sheep and neither are you, but I guess in this day and age a show has to appeal to the general public if it wants to be a success so for me I forgive it's shortcomings and celebrate it's strengths and it has many of them. The little nods to classic Who continuity should be commended because there are very few shows out there that consider past stories an integral part of their mythology. ( Star Trek being the exception ) Battlestar Galactica is a total reboot which frees up the writing, but also tramples on anything established in the original show. The fans did not like this at the time and although they've warmed to the format of the new series there are still a few loyal supporters who continue to dislike the direction it has taken. I love the old show and enjoy the new one, however there are lots of things about Battlestar Galactica 2.0 I could nit pick to death and I certainly don't see it being superior to Who it's just different. I totally agree the new family friendly Doctor Who stories are more simple in structure when comparing them to the heavy political more adult themes used in Battlestar Galactica but the same goes for anything else you may want to compare alongside that show. Stargate SG1 and it's sister show Atlantis seem very drama light when aired on the same nightly scheduel as Battlestar Galactica in America. As for special effects Doctor Who has come a long way since the early days and I think they're pretty fine. I've seen dodgy effects in nearly every American TV show you care to mention so that's hardly something that can only be targeted at British sci- fi shows. Still it was nice of you to share your feelings with me and I hope one day a new batch of Doctor Who writers will be brought onboard to beef it up so that the likes of your good self will end up loving "Who" again.

Trust me this series will not live up to the expectations you have from the first series. The simple structure of Doctor is OK to a point, but week in and week out it wears thin. I think it's not so much a damned if you do, but a damned if you do it badly with fans, I would have liked a total reboot (but that's me). I agree with you on the nostalgia factor, some shows from the past are unwatchable -Space 1999 and UFO spring to mind. Some shows though last really well, like STOS and STNG. You are also right nothing matches BSG for depth at the moment, I could also nitpick its faults but I will not. I love SG and SGA although their tone is much lighter. Let's hope we do get some new writers on Doctor Who, I will keep hoping and watching and something I did not share Doctor Who taught me to read. At infants school despite being very good at maths I had real problems reading, I am slightly dyslexic despite a couple of degrees these days. I did not enjoy the banal stories we were given. My mum gave me a Doctor Who book, I think it was published by Target and had "The Yeti" in it. It was set in the London Underground, I could hardly read a word and I persevered, by the time I was 12, I was reading Perry Rhodan, by 13, Dune and LOTR. The Doctor did a lot for me. He means a lot to me. I

I really dislike Chris Moyles.:(

He really is a fool isn't he, he is tabloid radio. Nice chatting to you by the way.

- Whirly

[Hollow Wood Director]

Trust me this series will not live up to the expectations you have from the first series. The simple structure of Doctor is OK to a point, but week in and week out it wears thin. I think it's not so much a damned if you do, but a damned if you do it badly with fans, I would have liked a total reboot (but that's me). I agree with you on the nostalgia factor, some shows from the past are unwatchable -Space 1999 and UFO spring to mind. Some shows though last really well, like STOS and STNG. You are also right nothing matches BSG for depth at the moment, I could also nitpick its faults but I will not. I love SG and SGA although their tone is much lighter. Let's hope we do get some new writers on Doctor Who, I will keep hoping and watching and something I did not share Doctor Who taught me to read. At infants school despite being very good at maths I had real problems reading, I am slightly dyslexic despite a couple of degrees these days. I did not enjoy the banal stories we were given. My mum gave me a Doctor Who book, I think it was published by Target and had "The Yeti" in it. It was set in the London Underground, I could hardly read a word and I persevered, by the time I was 12, I was reading Perry Rhodan, by 13, Dune and LOTR. The Doctor did a lot for me. He means a lot to me. I



He really is a fool isn't he, he is tabloid radio. Nice chatting to you by the way.

- Whirly

Seems a shame that the second series of Doctor Who doesn't build on what the first series tried to do. Sounds like you're saying it's becoming too formulaic. :( I really don't want this show to go down hill. I, like you really have a soft spot for this character and all it represents. I found UFO and Space 1999 very camp and twee when viewing them with middle aged eyes, but you know what the funny thing is I still enjoyed them even though they weren't as good as I remembered. I guess that nostalgia factor kicked in and made me think of happier youthful times, I find myself doing that more and more as I get older. :( By the way your personal account about your childhood dyslexia and how a Doctor Who novel helped you to overcome it really warmed the cockles of my heart. What a great story and if you don't mind me saying I happen to think you are one of the most eloquent posters I have had the pleasure to read on these forums.

[Whirlysplat]

Seems a shame that the second series of Doctor Who doesn't build on what the first series tried to do. Sounds like you're saying it's becoming too formulaic. :( I really don't want this show to go down hill. I, like you really have a soft spot for this character and all it represents. I found UFO and Space 1999 very camp and twee when viewing them with middle aged eyes, but you know what the funny thing is I still enjoyed them even though they weren't as good as I remembered. I guess that nostalgia factor kicked in and made me think of happier youthful times, I find myself doing that more and more as I get older. :( By the way your personal account about your childhood dyslexia and how a Doctor Who novel helped you to overcome it really warmed the cockles of my heart. What a great story and if you don't mind me saying I happen to think you are one of the most eloquent posters I have had the pleasure to read on these forums.

Thank you for your kind words, it's been a pleasure reading your posts also. Nostalgia certainly does affect us more as we get older I think it's because time flies by so fast. It's a cliche but the more we have behind us the faster we travel forward. I look forward to chatting with you again.

- Whirly

[regwec]

I'm not sure that I agree that this series is of any lesser quality than the last. "Rose", "Boomtown", "Father's Day" and "Bad Wolf" were all, in my opinion, very weak episodes in which a theme was stretched to breaking point. I haven't yet seen an episode from the new series that I had to endure rather than enjoy. I think that the crucial difference- and this is really obvious- is that the dramatic balance between the the principle players is now quite different. With Christopher Eccleston in the title role, the show was about a haunted alien wizard who adopted a novice with whom to share the universe and find personal redemption. With Tennant as the Doctor, the premise is a bit like Scooby Doo, with a few friends naively involving themselves in mysteries and adventures. That's not to say that Tennant (and the new series with him) cannot evolve, but the existing staus quo is probably incapable of producing an episode with the tension and substance of "Dalek".

[Whirlysplat]

I'm not sure that I agree that this series is of any lesser quality than the last. "Rose", "Boomtown", "Father's Day" and "Bad Wolf" were all, in my opinion, very weak episodes in which a theme was stretched to breaking point. I haven't yet seen an episode from the new series that I had to endure rather than enjoy. I think that the crucial difference- and this is really obvious- is that the dramatic balance between the the principle players is now quite different. With Christopher Eccleston in the title role, the show was about a haunted alien wizard who adopted a novice with whom to share the universe and find personal redemption. With Tennant as the Doctor, the premise is a bit like Scooby Doo, with a few friends naively involving themselves in mysteries and adventures. That's not to say that Tennant (and the new series with him) cannot evolve, but the existing staus quo is probably incapable of producing an episode with the tension and substance of "Dalek".

Another guy whose posts are a pleasure to read.
:up:

I agree totally Reg, its actually a more precise summary than mine Hollow of the new series.

- Whirly

[Flame on!]

I honestly don't think that this season has been as good as last seasons, but it's less to do with the writing/acting/directing etc and more to do with the overall character arcs.

The 9th Doctor was fascinating. Still reeling from the effects of the Time War, he was very stand-offish to all except Rose and had an enormous chip on his shoulder.

Tennant hugs people too often.

It was much better when the Doc didn't like Jackie and the domestic angle that Rose brings.

With that said, there has yet to be a 'weak' episode in the Long Game, Rose, Boom Town-esque way, and the character of Mickey has really come a long way from the ridiculous lad that got swallowed by a bin.

[Helos_00]

The problem is tension. There's not enough of it. Looking back at last season's episodes, most time you could cut the tension with knife...Rose/Doctor/Ricky; Doctor/Jack/Rose; the Doctor's dark secret with the Time War; the way death follows the Doctor everywhere; the fact that Rose was likely to never see her Mom again and her Mom would never know her fate. This was great stuff! But this season, the Doctor gets along with everyone; Rose and the Doctor are clearly in a relationship; everyone gets along with the Doctor; Rose has little concern with seeing her family (was she ever worried about getting home to her real Mom last week?); and the Time War is never mentioned anymore. Not to mention that all the build up of "the oncoming storm", death follows the Doctor...all that dramatic weight is never mentioned this season. There is simply no TENSION.

[regwec]

There is some potential tension, most particularly the concept of the Doctor having hardened and embittered. "You only get one warning" now seems to be his maxim.

It needs to be further explored, though.

[Lady Stormcrow]

There is some potential tension, most particularly the concept of the Doctor having hardened and embittered. "You only get one warning" now seems to be his maxim.

It needs to be further explored, though.

ah, I agree. For you see I was very surprised at how the doctor deals with the cybermen at the end of that arc. Not only did he 'deal with them' in a rather horrific way (by them going so crazy thier heads explode), but he seemed to not be too bothered about it, apart from saying 'sorry' to one of them. This perplexed me for a while, until I remembered that line from school reunion; 'I used to have so much mercy', and then it made sense that perhaps a past incarnation would've done it differently, but because of everything that's happened, perhaps this doctor is a bit more ruthless.

Then I begin to wonder, if it had been the 10th doctor making that choice in 'parting of the ways', (die as a human or live as a dalek), I think he would've killed all the humans and daleks.

[Mister Sinister]

Love and Monsters details.

Victor Kennedy is a Doctor stalker. The Doctor and Rose feature less in it and it spans across both the 9th and 10th Doctor's timeline.

[Flame on!]

Love and Monsters details.

Victor Kennedy is a Doctor stalker. The Doctor and Rose feature less in it and it spans across both the 9th and 10th Doctor's timeline.
Yeah, it would've been awesome if they could've gotten Eccleston for some hot cameo action.

[The Red Skull]

Good episode. I actually expected less from Gatiss this time around, having been less than impressed with last year's The Unquiet Dead.

[Whirlysplat]

Good episode. I actually expected less from Gatiss this time around, having been less than impressed with last year's The Unquiet Dead.

Again poorly acted imo. With a plot you could write on the back of a postage stamp. I'm bored with the same makeup effects.

- Whirly

[Lord Valumart]

right up until ROse got her face stolen it was brilliant.....then it went to hell:(

much like New Earth it suffered from having to smush to much into 45 mins:(
COME ON BBC!!! MAKE IT AN HOUR!!!

[Mr. Thing]

Well, tonights was pish. Billie in nylons made it worth watching though...:o

[Happenstance]

I thought it was weak compared to the rest of season 2 but still enjoyable

[regwec]

I thought it was rather good. It was nice to have both the historical setting and the historical context rather well wrought. With the airing of each episode of this series, some of you complain that there is too little plot, whilst the other half complain that there is simply too much story to squeeze into 45 minutes. You can't all be correct.

As it is, I do think that the episodes need to be longer. The biggest problem with the existing format is that it allows only one perspective to be represented in each storyline. I dimly remember that some of my favorite moments in the older series' were long periods of plot exposition, voiced by groups of Daleks in the depths of some mechanical catacomb, with the Doctor nowhere to be seen.

I am warming to David Tennant. He is clearly an actor with a lot of presense and charisma. I only fault him for the abrupt manner with which he hops from "happy-go-lucky" to "P!SSED". I'd like to see a few more shades in between. But of course that would require more screen time.

[black_dust]

I thought it was ok :)

But here again GET OFF EARTH! dammit! its been like what 6 episodes on earth so far.

Yes i am aware that next week they are on another planet (they better well dam be anyway!)

[Mister Sinister]

Yes, it's the Impossible Planet next week and it looks...so...amazing!

[3dman27]

i have a question regarding sci fi channel's airing of doctor who
i noticed that sci fi is airing a movie in its timeslot again this week i could see last week as it was a holiday marathon did the timeslot get changed?

[Whirlysplat]

i have a question regarding sci fi channel's airing of doctor who
i noticed that sci fi is airing a movie in its timeslot again this week i could see last week as it was a holiday marathon did the timeslot get changed?

It probably has been dropped for a while.

- Whirly

[Hollow Wood Director]

i have a question regarding sci fi channel's airing of doctor who
i noticed that sci fi is airing a movie in its timeslot again this week i could see last week as it was a holiday marathon did the timeslot get changed?

No, they just didn't air it on Memorial Weekend, it's back to normal next week.

[Hollow Wood Director]

Again poorly acted imo. With a plot you could write on the back of a postage stamp. I'm bored with the same makeup effects.

- Whirly

But surely still better or on equal footing than some of the make up effects utilized in most American or Canadian TV shows.

Let's be honest here Star Trek TNG had the bumpy forehead ( Cornish pasty ) alien of the week syndrome and only occasionally did it break that mold and be a bit more adventurous. In fact it became a joke to most fans and it was only the good writing and excellent acting that kept the visuals from becoming a farce on times. You have to admit the make up did get boring after a while.

As the franchise moved onward Michael Westmore's ( B.U.M. ) ( boring unimaginative make up's ) work did pretty much the same thing with the spin off shows like DS9 / Voyager and Enterprise. There were some stand out aliens, but they were few and far between in my opinion and not that impressive when you consider the fact that Westmore's make department was given more money as the franchise got more and more successful. As far as I'm concerned he did what was required and no more on a limited TV budget and remember TNG's effects budget was still much higher than the one available to the current Doctor Who production crew. I don't think Mr. Westmore will ever match the sheer artistry his Grandpa Bud Westmore achieved for films such as This Island Earth and The Creature From The Black Lagoon. The creatures may look a little dated by today's standards and he certainly had the luxury of a movie budget and more time to work on the projects, but as concepts go Bud tapped into designs that were technically quite advanced and beautifully realized for their day.

If I had to pick a brilliant make up artist who valiantly tried to overcome the limitations of a meager TV budget then I'd have to pick Wah Chang who worked on the original Star Trek show and who also did a lot of very cool stuff for the original Outer Limits. This guy could churn out some really bizarre creations on the cheap.

One show that had some great make up effects visuals was Babylon 5. Optic Nerve did some really great stuff back in the 90's and I'm trying not to be biased here ( name dropping moment ) since I'm friends with Will Huff and Greg Funk. From an objective stance what I saw on screen was far superior to Trek in the way prosthetics were fabricated applied and operated. The number of alien make up's per episode and their pliability. It's funny, but the "Ood" who appear in the next Doctor Who episode the "Impossible Planet" look a lot like the Pak'mara from B5, who also have a striking resemblance to the Quarren species in the Star Wars movies which in turn owe their form to HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu. A case of good designs strongly influencing other good designs.

The make up effects in Buffy and Angel were sometimes quite interesting and often of movie quality in their execution, but apart from a few dashes of excellence in certain episodes of X-files and Earth 2, shows like Andromeda / Space Above And Beyond / Hercules / Xena Warrior Princess / Beast Master / Conan / Earth Final Conflict / Stargate SG1 / Firefly / Stargate Atlantis don't cut the mustard. Hell, some shows like Battlestar Galactica 2.0 go out of their way to construct stories that avoid fantastical elements such as aliens so they can ground it in reality, but this inevitably takes away any potential awe or spectacle from the universe they have created. The original Battlestar Galactica may have been cheesy, but the scope of the world they created that time around was much more interesting and open to so many possibilities.

Farscape had a really good make up and puppet design department, but that goes without saying when the work was done by the Australian branch of Henson's creature shop and I'd liken the stuff I've seen so far on the new Doctor Who to that. In my opinion Doctor Who is in good company. It's effects are of a high level and as good as anything else that is out there, unless you want to compare it to stuff seen in movies.

Of course your entitled to your share your opinions, but I don't see where you are coming from when you say you are getting bored with the same make up effects. I was under the impression a lot of the creatures this season were CGI not make up. The few make up characters I've seen online look very different to each other, but obviously I haven't seen the new episodes yet, but it would be interesting for me if you could elaborate a little more and explain what you mean. Sounds like you think the make up effects are too similar or something.

[Whirlysplat]

But surely still better or on equal footing than some of the make up effects utilized in most American or Canadian TV shows.

Let's be honest here Star Trek TNG had the bumpy forehead ( Cornish pasty ) alien of the week syndrome and only occasionally did it break that mold and be a bit more adventurous. In fact it became a joke to most fans and it was only the good writing and excellent acting that kept the visuals from becoming a farce on times. You have to admit the make up did get boring after a while.

As the franchise moved onward Michael Westmore's ( B.U.M. ) ( boring unimaginative make up's ) work did pretty much the same thing with the spin off shows like DS9 / Voyager and Enterprise. There were some stand out aliens, but they were few and far between in my opinion and not that impressive when you consider the fact that Westmore's make department was given more money as the franchise got more and more successful. As far as I'm concerned he did what was required and no more on a limited TV budget and remember TNG's effects budget was still much higher than the one available to the current Doctor Who production crew. I don't think Mr. Westmore will ever match the sheer artistry his Grandpa Bud Westmore achieved for films such as This Island Earth and The Creature From The Black Lagoon. The creatures may look a little dated by today's standards and he certainly had the luxury of a movie budget and more time to work on the projects, but as concepts go Bud tapped into designs that were technically quite advanced and beautifully realized for their day.

If I had to pick a brilliant make up artist who valiantly tried to overcome the limitations of a meager TV budget then I'd have to pick Wah Chang who worked on the original Star Trek show and who also did a lot of very cool stuff for the original Outer Limits. This guy could churn out some really bizarre creations on the cheap.

One show that had some great make up effects visuals was Babylon 5. Optic Nerve did some really great stuff back in the 90's and I'm trying not to be biased here ( name dropping moment ) since I'm friends with Will Huff and Greg Funk. From an objective stance what I saw on screen was far superior to Trek in the way prosthetics were fabricated applied and operated. The number of alien make up's per episode and their pliability. It's funny, but the "Ood" who appear in the next Doctor Who episode the "Impossible Planet" look a lot like the Pak'mara from B5, who also have a striking resemblance to the Quarren species in the Star Wars movies which in turn owe their form to HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu. A case of good designs strongly influencing other good designs.

The make up effects in Buffy and Angel were sometimes quite interesting and often of movie quality in their execution, but apart from a few dashes of excellence in certain episodes of X-files and Earth 2, shows like Andromeda / Space Above And Beyond / Hercules / Xena Warrior Princess / Beast Master / Conan / Earth Final Conflict / Stargate SG1 / Firefly / Stargate Atlantis don't cut the mustard. Hell, some shows like Battlestar Galactica 2.0 go out of their way to construct stories that avoid fantastical elements such as aliens so they can ground it in reality, but this inevitably takes away any potential awe or spectacle from the universe they have created. The original Battlestar Galactica may have been cheesy, but the scope of the world they created that time around was much more interesting and open to so many possibilities.

Farscape had a really good make up and puppet design department, but that goes without saying when the work was done by the Australian branch of Henson's creature shop and I'd liken the stuff I've seen so far on the new Doctor Who to that. In my opinion Doctor Who is in good company. It's effects are of a high level and as good as anything else that is out there, unless you want to compare it to stuff seen in movies.

Of course your entitled to your share your opinions, but I don't see where you are coming from when you say you are getting bored with the same make up effects. I was under the impression a lot of the creatures this season were CGI not make up. The few make up characters I've seen online look very different to each other, but obviously I haven't seen the new episodes yet, but it would be interesting for me if you could elaborate a little more and explain what you mean. Sounds like you think the make up effects are too similar or something.

Many of the points in this post are true however, Doctor Who likes the mannequin blank face effect far to much and it is easily the cheapest of the lot. The Autons, the episode with the gas masks, last nights to name but a few. There have been others. Even the Cybermen are a variation on this.

- Whirly

[regwec]

But it is effective, and it worked in the context of the story. Why does it matter how expensive it was? Far apart from the last episode; Moxx of the Balhoon, The Slitheen, the Face of Bo and Cassandra have all been much more "alien" (vis. certainly not a man in a rubber mask) than almost any alien in any other sci fi TV show.

In any case, next week's looks to be genuinely alien, and fairly prosthetic-happy.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/images/photoincludes/main-episode2-8.jpg

[Whirlysplat]

But it is effective, and it worked in the context of the story. Why does it matter how expensive it was? Far apart from the last episode; Moxx of the Balhoon, The Slitheen, the Face of Bo and Cassandra have all been much more "alien" (vis. certainly not a man in a rubber mask) than almost any alien in any other sci fi TV show.

In any case, next week's looks to be genuinely alien, and fairly prosthetic-happy.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/images/photoincludes/main-episode2-8.jpg

I think they have been imaginative but looked poorly executed, all of the above appeared incredibly inorganic and lifeless to me and then we go back to the blank mannequin effect (which is meant to be lifeless I realise) it kind of sums up much of the show.

Yes, next weeks looks like it might be better, a penny for each time i've said that.

- Whirly

[Lady Stormcrow]

http://www.gallifreyone.com/images/photoincludes/main-episode2-8.jpg

What happened to Dr. Zoidberg?? :p

Next weeks episode looks really good from what I can gather from the previews. Well, anything that's not on earth goes in on a C grade straightaway in my book!

I really liked the idiots lanturn though, it had some great lines (only an idiot hangs the union flag upside down- shame on you) , and I thought the plot was exciting too.
On the subject of alien makeup, its great that you got such a strong presence from 'the wire' without it didnt even have a tangible body in the episode. Its imaginative, when alien invasions in movies and tv are so common, to have something a little bit different. Even with a small move from the usual like that, it gives the episode that little bit extra.

[regwec]

If I might go back into history, did anyone else think that Don Warrington was pretty superb as the British President? I would approve if he could somehow be introduced to our dimension and put in charge of UNIT.

[3dman27]

thank you gentlemen

[Mister Sinister]

"Don't






turn






AROUND" (www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho)

[regwec]

Gosh. That's very atmospheric.

[Captain Villa]

I was not too impressed with tonight's episode.

[Lord Valumart]

well....i liked it.....

best bit: where toby was out side and broke the glass
worst bit: where dave said "i'm sorry, i'm so sorry" or something like that

[livrule]

Tonights was awesome ..... Event Horizon meets Alien.

Trapped on a planet which is actually a prison for Satan ... whats not to like?

IMO this show just keeps getting better and better ... it is VERY consistant and always enjoyable.

[SpideyLad]

I liked it too.

Tattoed Tobey was freaky, and the Ood were pretty cool.

[Happenstance]

The only problem with this episode, they killed the fit girl first!!!

[Whirlysplat]

A better episode but again at times the sets and effects were very creaky, Marker Pen Makeup lol. Why, oh why the comment about Walford, the BBC has to make it a soap:(. Although I liked the plot a lot this episode. I'm still not sure about Tennant.

- Whirly

[Captain Villa]

The only problem with this episode, they killed the fit girl first!!!


20 years old, my arse. Knocking on 35.

[black_dust]

I thought it was ok

"Im gonna rip you a new BUTTHOLE *****!!!!!"
"What did you say?!"
*tap tap* "Would you like some sauce?"


Did anyone else notice the doom sound effects ALL THE WAY THROUGH! haha

[Lady Stormcrow]

I really liked it!
(Toby looked really scary, though I think that was more to do with his eyes, his performance, and that voice which was so very creepy, but I agree the writing looked like it had been done with marker pens.)
I cant wait for next weeks episode, but did anyone else notice that they put a trailer for the satan pit in- at the end of the credits! So I missed most of it. But did they do that for the cybermen ones too, and I just missed it then?

[Bat Brain]

I thought it was ok

"Im gonna rip you a new BUTTHOLE *****!!!!!"
"What did you say?!"
*tap tap* "Would you like some sauce?"


Did anyone else notice the doom sound effects ALL THE WAY THROUGH! haha
I thought I was imagining that. :D

Overll, I loved the latest episode. I can't wait for part 2. Thank God they've finally left Earth :)

[black_dust]

I thought I was imagining that. :D

Overll, I loved the latest episode. I can't wait for part 2. Thank God they've finally left Earth :)
Haha :)

They were in somthing else i watched the other day as well they are used for everything very odd...

[JokerFish]

I cant believe how much im enjoying this series.

Im still watching season one on SciFi but im catching up and watching season 2 online.

Love Tennant but I miss Eccleston's facial agrression when he means buisness.

Can't wait for the Satan's Pit to air.

Plus, Ive ordered the Regeneration and 10th Doctor action figures and they are coming in the mail.

[Mister Sinister]

Satan Pit site's up with a first look at Satan, do turn the sound down.

[JokerFish]

Very cool :up:

Love the way it looks

[TankerX]

Cant wait till Saturday

[JokerFish]

Where are all of you guys getting your WHO avatars?
Ive been looking forever for a really good one....

[regwec]

I enjoyed the episode a great deal- it managed to preserve a dramatic tension, the absence of which in previous episodes I have lamented before. As I see it, there where but two problems, one minor, and one less so.

1- How can a translator be lethal?

2- Tennant was out-acted and eaten from the screen by the captain, the archaeologist, and the head of security. He needs to learn that there is a difference between shrillness and charisma.

[SpideyLad]

Satan Pit site's up with a first look at Satan, do turn the sound down.

Yeah....Definatley turn the sound down, I nearly died when I first went on cause I had quite alot of volume up:(

[Mister Sinister]

I enjoyed the episode a great deal- it managed to preserve a dramatic tension, the absence of which in previous episodes I have lamented before. As I see it, there where but two problems, one minor, and one less so.

1- How can a translator be lethal?
Is it really a translator though?

[Mister Sinister]

We FINALLY have found out about Fear Her

The Doctor takes Rose to see the 2012 Olympics only to find that there's a girl ('Her') who has mysterious powers that her mother is trying to hide, The Doctor then steps in to help the girl.

[Lord Valumart]

bump

anyhow...i felt that the satan pit was somewhat of a let down...it could have been so much better...but that being said anything could have been so much better....like my dinner, or Batman Begins...

[Lord Valumart]

also....you lot probably know about this...but...

http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_1165_1707_1708&zenid=b5dc52c70af64a6ee9251cce21d5bcb4

:eek::eek:

[SpideyLad]

Not a bad episode........Satan was pretty cool, and Tobey's death was brilliant :D

Only one problem now though........Back to Earth again next week :mad:

[Bastila]

Not back to Earth next week lol.

I did like it when he was talking to the Satan monster i love the way he like he just carries on talking when figuring out things.

But i just didn't like the whole Satan thing not really Whoish really. But Tobys death was funny.

[SpideyLad]

Not back to Earth next week lol.

I did like it when he was talking to the Satan monster i love the way he like he just carries on talking when figuring out things.

But i just didn't like the whole Satan thing not really Whoish really. But Tobys death was funny.


Well, it certainly looks like it.

[Bat Brain]

I thought the effects for the Satan Beast thing were pretty impressive for the BBC.

[regwec]

also....you lot probably know about this...but...

http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_1165_1707_1708&zenid=b5dc52c70af64a6ee9251cce21d5bcb4

:eek::eek:
Aha! New ones! The werewolf and cyberman look great, and this Rose is much better than the last one, though it seriously needs articulation.

[Lord Valumart]

Aha! New ones! The werewolf and cyberman look great, and this Rose is much better than the last one, though it seriously needs articulation.
it had articulation in the TV ad....it looks like the one on there is the prototype as there aren't even hip joints...still....a Chip fig...*squeeee*

[TankerX]

I thought the effects for the Satan Beast thing were pretty impressive for the BBC.
I agree,i was actually suprised that they put so much detail into it instead of putting a bloke in a costume and enlarging him 100 times

[Bastila]

I thought the rocket blasting off and space and the black hole looked good.

I love the way the tardis got the ship and was carrying it. And the Doctor's face when he saw it.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I thought the effects for the Satan Beast thing were pretty impressive for the BBC.

I whole heartedly agree! Very impressive.
I really enjoyed the episode, apart from the line 'I believe in her!'. It just seemed like it couldve been a bit better...
Oh, also, I got a tad bored with the whole 'humans are brilliant' lines from the doctor. It wouldve been better in small amounts.
The ood were very creepy, and so was the beasts voice, and the actor who played Toby did a magnificent job.

[Whirlysplat]

bump

anyhow...i felt that the satan pit was somewhat of a let down...it could have been so much better...but that being said anything could have been so much better....like my dinner, or Batman Begins...

I guess you're coming round to my way of thinking. It just didn't do it for me.

I wonder how much longer I will stay watching?

- Whirly

[Lord Valumart]

I guess you're coming round to my way of thinking. It just didn't do it for me.

I wonder how much longer I will stay watching?

- Whirly
well...it ias also possible that since i've spent the last week watchin all my pertwee stuff that i've gotten more into the classic series.....the storys never felt rushed or dragged out, they felt fully formed and each was perfect in it's own way

but the new one is going down now....but last time it just got better and better:(

[black_dust]

More Doom sound effects this week!

Was ok i supose, tourch wood came up again, and Rose is going to die oh no`s! But those 2 weren`t as good as the cybermen ones.

Next week. Earth Sigh :(

[Whirlysplat]

well...it ias also possible that since i've spent the last week watchin all my pertwee stuff that i've gotten more into the classic series.....the storys never felt rushed or dragged out, they felt fully formed and each was perfect in it's own way

but the new one is going down now....but last time it just got better and better:(

I agree with you totally, I just hope it improves Tennant is to light. As is the show since Eccleston left.

- Whirly

[regwec]

We need the resurrection of the Time Lords.

When they lived, the Doctor's travels generally had some kind of loose purpose. Often, as in Genesis of the Daleks, he was charged with a specific mission, the completion of which framed the story with a structure and its own inherent tension. In that partcular story, his mission was subverted by both philisophical qualms and practicalities on the ground. That's endlessly gripping.

The current formula sees the Doctor and Rose wandering around aimlessly, and encountering trouble, usually by mistake. There are a few problems with this. Firstly, we have no investement in any single story, at least until the last twenty minutes, when it is clear what is going on and why. Secondly, it defies credibility that, wherever and whenever tha Doctor goes, he finds himself at the centre of a cataclysmic series of events. Which brings me to the third problem. If we are expected to believe that alien invasions, insurrections and doomsdays are occuring in all of space all of the time, then why is the Doctor so keen to waste time in taking Rose on a series of frivalous day trips to see pop concerts and celebrities? The formula casts him in the role of an apethetic and selfish tourist.

That couldn't be more wrong for Doctor Who. I do, however, have a degree of faith that future writers could not fail to see that this is unsustainable, and will re introduce the Time Lords, UNIT etc as narrative staples.

[Zaphod]

The current formula sees the Doctor and Rose wandering around aimlessly, and encountering trouble, usually by mistake. There are a few problems with this. Firstly, we have no investement in any single story, at least until the last twenty minutes, when it is clear what is going on and why.

Now, I agree with you on this. What has been often the case in the sereis so far is that due to the length and pacing of each 45-minute episode, the story rushes to a climax in the last twenty-minutes, usually with the Doctor just standing their having a fit and lamenting that he's solved the mystery of whats going on. Dont get me wrong, this can't outweigh the good that these stories have to offer, at least not yet, but I can see it grating, so I do agree there needs to be some sort of story-arc involving the Doctor performing a mission of some sort, with clear intentions and aims etc.

[C.F. Kane]

Satan trapped underground in an alien planet...


correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the plot of Doom 3?

[Mister Sinister]

Yes, Doom 3 was a heavy influence on this episode.

[Lord Valumart]

wait...your saying the entire episode was stolen from Doom 3??

makes sence.....

[TheCorpulent1]

"The Satan Pit" was kind of a weird episode for Doctor Who. It was all right, but a little too fantasy/horror-ish for the Doctor. Granted, that's my opinion as someone who's seen roughly one episode of the original series, the '96 TV movie, and the current series. But my favorite of the current series is still "The Girl in the Fireplace."

[Avalanche]

^ Loved that episode too. The ending was beautiful.

I liked Satan Pit on the whole, though it took a while to pick up and get interesting. The Doctors quirkiness irritated me in this episode though, as did his refusal to explain things to Rose as though she were incapable of knowing the truth.

[Mister Sinister]

Love/Monsters site's up.

[black_dust]

Yes, Doom 3 was a heavy influence on this episode.
Well not just 3 one as well ;) All those door sounds were from doom1 :D

[Mister Sinister]

Yes, the news has been confirmed...Billie Piper has quit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/06_june/15/who.shtml

[regwec]

Too bad. Still, I have been hoping for some time that Doctor Who might fulfill me fantasy of having a crew of historical figures with whom to chit-chat. How about Cleopatra and Soctrates for companions?

[Mister Sinister]

Hold on, an eccentric time traveller with hostorical figures as companions traveling in a phone box?

Bill and Ted anyone?

:D

[Avalanche]

Now, I agree with you on this. What has been often the case in the sereis so far is that due to the length and pacing of each 45-minute episode, the story rushes to a climax in the last twenty-minutes, usually with the Doctor just standing their having a fit and lamenting that he's solved the mystery of whats going on. Dont get me wrong, this can't outweigh the good that these stories have to offer, at least not yet, but I can see it grating, so I do agree there needs to be some sort of story-arc involving the Doctor performing a mission of some sort, with clear intentions and aims etc.
I see what people are saying, but the purpose of this is to leave us as a viewer unsure as what is happening. Put us in the same position as the Doctor and Rose. We don't learn what is happening until they do, or slightly before as is often the case.

I agree though, it would be nice to have an episode where the Doctore set out to investigate rather than just stumbled across something.

[Avalanche]

Yes, the news has been confirmed...Billie Piper has quit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/06_june/15/who.shtml
I thought she'd changed her mind and agreed a new deal?

[3dman27]

We need the resurrection of the Time Lords.

When they lived, the Doctor's travels generally had some kind of loose purpose. Often, as in Genesis of the Daleks, he was charged with a specific mission, the completion of which framed the story with a structure and its own inherent tension. In that partcular story, his mission was subverted by both philisophical qualms and practicalities on the ground. That's endlessly gripping.

The current formula sees the Doctor and Rose wandering around aimlessly, and encountering trouble, usually by mistake. There are a few problems with this. Firstly, we have no investement in any single story, at least until the last twenty minutes, when it is clear what is going on and why. Secondly, it defies credibility that, wherever and whenever tha Doctor goes, he finds himself at the centre of a cataclysmic series of events. Which brings me to the third problem. If we are expected to believe that alien invasions, insurrections and doomsdays are occuring in all of space all of the time, then why is the Doctor so keen to waste time in taking Rose on a series of frivalous day trips to see pop concerts and celebrities? The formula casts him in the role of an apethetic and selfish tourist.

That couldn't be more wrong for Doctor Who. I do, however, have a degree of faith that future writers could not fail to see that this is unsustainable, and will re introduce the Time Lords, UNIT etc as narrative staples.
i think this adds to what a poster said about the differences between british and american sci fi tv americans seem to want thier heroes as ethier reporters soldiers or law enforcement agents as for frivoulous day trips maybe the doctor has BURNT OUT of his timelords responsibilites due to the events of the time war he mentiioned in the second episode

[Lady Stormcrow]

Well, I guess it bye bye Billie then. I wonder who'll they'll have as a new companion. I hope they dont get someone similar. Billie was great, but it'd be nice to have a big change.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope they have a couple of companions to replace Rose. They kind of made too big a deal about Rose and the Doctor, I thought. Maybe bring back Captain Jack and two other humans to make it more of an ensemble. That'd be interesting, since Rose covered the solo companion bit for about a season and a half altogether already.

[Avalanche]

Maybe bring back Captain Jack and two other humans to make it more of an ensemble. That'd be interesting, since Rose covered the solo companion bit for about a season and a half altogether already.
Captain Jack will be busy over in Torchwood won't he?

I'd like another female companion. It does seem to be the Doctors things, as was mentioned a few episodes back. He likes to show women the mysteries of the universe. It's what he does.

Perhaps throw someone else into the mix though. Someone who isn't nearly as annoying as Mickey was preferably.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Captain Jack will be busy over in Torchwood won't he?

I'd like another female companion. It does seem to be the Doctors things, as was mentioned a few episodes back. He likes to show women the mysteries of the universe. It's what he does.

Perhaps throw someone else into the mix though. Someone who isn't nearly as annoying as Mickey was preferably.

:eek: bring back K9!!!

[regwec]

Hold on, an eccentric time traveller with hostorical figures as companions traveling in a phone box?

Bill and Ted anyone?

:D
Bill and Ted own your soul.

Cleopatra would be a fantastic companion, because she would be an awful companion. She could be scheming, selfish, narcissistic, arrogant, pouting and ruthless; like a Cassandra with feminine charms.

Someone like Socrates would be interesting as a companion whose mind is possibly equal to the Doctor's, in many respects, but who has no comprehension of his technology.

And K-9, because he's K-9.

[Avalanche]

:eek: bring back K9!!!
K-9 was rubbish!

[Lady Stormcrow]

K-9 was rubbish!

I used to think he was- but he was so cute in 'school reunion!'. ah, you cant tell me you didnt think 'awww', when the doctor says 'good dog' and he says 'affirmative', and wags his little tail.
Then I bet you cried a silent 'hurray!' when he turns up alright at the end.


oh good lord, ive never sounded as girly girly as I did in that last paragraph.

[black_dust]

Wow tomorrow has hardley any of the Dr or Rose tomorrow, so they say...

[Lord Valumart]

Wow tomorrow has hardley any of the Dr or Rose tomorrow, so they say...
who are they??

those people in the woods??
the wizards??
rabid doctor who fans??
some bloke in the RadioTimes??
Wossy??

anyhow...the dude from Hustle.....
WWWOOOOOOO!!!!

[1987olds442]

Hello all, I just wanted to check in on the Doctor Who thread...

I was a fan of Dr. Who as a child during the Forth Doctor era... I really enjoyed the First season of the new series with the ninth Doctor, I hated to see him go at the end of the season. I was wondering how has the new season been and the Tenth Doctor?

[Lord Valumart]

you want the honest truth??

it's been above average, tennant is such a happy go lucky doctor, then *snap* "one warning, that's all" and an evil look....i has been getting better...and i hold out hope that with billie leaveing it will get a lot better

(thats right you head me use the word average to describe doctor who, 'tis a sad day)

[1987olds442]

Sounds like a big personality change from the ninth... I really liked Christopher Eccleston portrayal of the character... I just read on wikipedia that he is being seriously considered for the role of The Joker to the sequel of Batman Begins.

I would actually look forward to the character Rose leaving the show. I didn't really care for her character.

[SpideyLad]

Wow tomorrow has hardley any of the Dr or Rose tomorrow, so they say...

Yeah, its suppose to centre around Jackie

[Avalanche]

And I'm guessing the group of Doctor Wgo fanatics who have been hunting him down.

I'm not a huge fan of Peter Kay, so not particularly looking forward to him putting in an appearance.

[Mr. Thing]

Yeah, its suppose to centre around Jackie

Nope, she's in it, but it's centred around this guy Elton Pope.

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah, its suppose to centre around Jackie

Eastenders music plays :( What the feck are the BBC doing with my licence fee.

- Whirly or in his letter to the BBC "Disgusted from Bromley"

[TheCorpulent1]

Sounds like a big personality change from the ninth... I really liked Christopher Eccleston portrayal of the character... I just read on wikipedia that he is being seriously considered for the role of The Joker to the sequel of Batman Begins.
Funny, I think Tennant's Doctor is a lot closer to the Joker. Eccleston would be a great Joker from a physical perspective, though. You really couldn't ask for a better "Joker" nose. :)

[Whirlysplat]

Awful, just awful.

- Whirly

[The Red Skull]

I have to agree. I've at least enjoyed every other episode of the series, but this was just crap, plain and simple.

And what a bizarre, tacked-on ending.

[regwec]

The first one I haven't bothered to watch.

[The Red Skull]

The first one I haven't bothered to watch.

I wish I hadn't bothered. It was utterly risible stuff.

[Red X]

Terrible.

Doc and Rose had 5 mintues of screentime.

[Bastila]

I kind of like this week episodes, it was different but i was like come on lets see the Doctor.

[Lord Valumart]

i loved that:D:D:D:D

it was fantastic:D

i don't care about the fact that the doc and rose were in it for about 10 mins...i don't care that the alien(can;t be bothered trying to spell the name)had a bolton accent....it had Marc Warren....MARC WARREN!! as the star of it allit was the best ep so far:D

15ish/10

[SpideyLad]

God, that was an awful episode....Worst of the series

[Bat Brain]

I actually enjoyed that episode. It was different, granted, but it was a nice idea and done well. It had an annoyingly cheesy ending though.

[JokerFish]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5082668.stm

Sorry if thats been said...

[Mr. Thing]

I liked that.

Better than the last three episodes for me.

In other news, I can't wait to pick up my Inferno dvd!

[Avalanche]

For the first 5 minutes of the episode I hated it.

For the next 15 minutes I changed my mind, and loved it. Peter Kay in human form actually put in a decent turn.

After about 25 minutes I hated it again, particularly the look of Peter Kay's alien form.

I appreciate that they tried to do something different, but the episode suffered heavily due to the lack of Rose and the Doctor. I did enjoy Elton's character, but he didn't warrant an episode of his own without us first getting to know him.

[JokerFish]

Man, that monster was just a fat bastard clone.

Sure I was dissapointed that the Doctor wasnt in it as much, but the episode was decent.

Just didnt like the ending with Ursula still alive....stupid....

But its kinda fun seeing someone elses perspective of the Doctor.

[black_dust]

Boring and pointless :down:

where was Rose when the Dr went back to Elton house when he was 3? she was onwhere to be seen.

[Baggers]

Boring and pointless :

where was Rose when the Dr went back to Elton house when he was 3? she was onwhere to be seen.

Well couldn't that have happened after this current season...you know after Rose 'goes'??

:venom: Baggers :venom:

[Whirlysplat]

Well couldn't that have happened after this current season...you know after Rose 'goes'??

:venom: Baggers :venom:

No because the Doctor remembered the incident. I wish I could forget the whole episode.


- Whirly

[Baggers]

No because the Doctor remembered the incident. I wish I could forget the whole episode.


- Whirly

D'oooh!! and there goes a good idea by me...oh well lol

Maybe Rose went to the toilet?? :p

:venom: Baggers :venom:

[Lady Stormcrow]

I loved it!
It felt so fresh, it was like watching the last series for the first time again. So far this series, dr who has been a bit 'meh' for me, but I really loved it.
Peter Kay was fabulous, I hope they bring him back. His line about being from the twin planet of raxicori- whatever, was just spot on. Also, he was quite intimidating a Victor. The ending (with the concrete slab in Elton's room) was laughable, but also very sweet.
I hardly noticed the lack of the Doctor and Rose, I enjoyed seeing it from a new perspective, because the presence of the doctor was felt, despite him not actually being on screen.
That episode was a highlight of the series for me.

[JokerFish]

Raxacoricofallapotorius :D

[Mister Sinister]

Raxacoricofallapotorius :D
"You're from Raxocoricofallapotorius's twin planet, I didn't know Raxocoricofallapotorius had a twin planet, what's it called?"
"Plom"

I don't care what anyone says, that was the best episode of the series yet.

[regwec]

I think I can imagine Davies' ideal Doctor Who episode.

After Credits- Jackie, Mickey and a character from Coronation Street are huddled around a television set, watching Eastenders.

Fifteen Minutes- Jackie eats a Mars Bar.

Twenty Minutes- Mickey goes to the toilet.

Twenty-Eight Minutes- Mickey Returns.

Thirty-Nine Minutes- Jackie farts.

Forty-Two Minutes- The spare part from Corrie makes a cup of tea.

Forty-Four Minutes- The Doctor enters, makes a pop-culture reference, and giggles. Credits role.

Next Week- Earth, 2006: Mickey's cousin goes to the dentist.

[Whirlysplat]

I think I can imagine Davies' ideal Doctor Who episode.

After Credits- Jackie, Mickey and a character from Coronation Street are huddled around a television set, watching Eastenders.

Fifteen Minutes- Jackie eats a Mars Bar.

Twenty Minutes- Mickey goes to the toilet.

Twenty-Eight Minutes- Mickey Returns.

Thirty-Nine Minutes- Jackie farts.

Forty-Two Minutes- The spare part from Corrie makes a cup of tea.

Forty-Four Minutes- The Doctor enters, makes a pop-culture reference, and giggles. Credits role.

Next Week- Earth, 2006: Mickey's cousin goes to the dentist.

:up: It's funny because it's probably true.

Classic stuff Reg!!! :up:

- Whirly

[Avalanche]

where was Rose when the Dr went back to Elton house when he was 3? she was onwhere to be seen.
I'd presume the Doctor had yet to meet Rose when he was present in Elton's house. He was doing this long before Rose came along.

[Whirlysplat]

I'd presume the Doctor had yet to meet Rose when he was present in Elton's house. He was doing this long before Rose came along.

No, because then he would look different.

- Whirly

[Mister Sinister]

I'd presume the Doctor had yet to meet Rose when he was present in Elton's house. He was doing this long before Rose came along.
He was in his tenth incarnation though.

[regwec]

...and Rose came along during his ninth incarnation.

[Bastila]

You know the Doctor said the shadow killed that boy's mum as he was to late?? How can he be late his a Time Lord lol.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Raxacoricofallapotorius :D

bingo! hehe. I could only remember it until a few minutes after the episode finished, and before then, she asked me the name of the planet, and i said 'Raxacoricofallapotorius' and she said 'Im glad to see your years of schooling were not wasted' :p

[black_dust]

He was in his tenth incarnation though.
Thats what i thought at first "Wait shouldn`t he look like Chris?" but then i thought oh he must have gone before he saw him again in the ware house.

Still no idea where Rose is though!

[Lord Valumart]

it is possible that he dropped her off somewhere....like visiting her mum and he went off for a bit...no? well i tried

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked the episode. Not one of the best of the current season, but I generally like seeing the spillover of the main characters' actions on other people in anything I watch or read or whatever, so this was a treat for me. The best part for me was Jackie trying to seduce Elton. :D

The fact that the Doctor was in his tenth incarnation when he visited Elton's younger self and the fact that Rose is nowhere to be seen are both immaterial, as I see it. The Doctor can appear at any time in any incarnation, really, and Rose goes off by herself once or twice in nearly every episode that I've seen. Neither of them strike me as gaping plot holes either way.

[regwec]

I think we just need a lot more darkness, spectacle and theatre. No matter how cleverly these soap operas on contemporary earth are, they always feel like a criminal under use of the show's premise, which allows for any kind of adventure, in any time, in any place, with any one.

[black_dust]

well 3 more left and this weeks one will be on EARTH AGAIN! so that will be 8 so far out of the 13.

[Bastila]

only three more left, it can't end so soon.

[black_dust]

Yeah only feels like it started a few weeks back. So far i dont think its been a very memorable series

[TheCorpulent1]

I think we just need a lot more darkness, spectacle and theatre. No matter how cleverly these soap operas on contemporary earth are, they always feel like a criminal under use of the show's premise, which allows for any kind of adventure, in any time, in any place, with any one.
I agree with that. I was kind of annoyed through season 1 when the Doctor and Rose kept ending up on Earth in different time periods. This season's been even worse for the outlandishness that Doctor Who came to be synonymous with in its earlier seasons. It seems like every other episode the Doctor and Rose have ended up on Earth in the 20th century. It's too bad about the Time Lords' destruction, too. It would've been nice to see Gallifrey and the Time Lords with more modern costuming and effects.

[FreeRadical]

After the Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit (did you see the devil! WOW), we are back on Earth again?

Love and Monsters?!?

WTF

And that love life line at the end.......with a pavement slab? :eek:

[Mister Sinister]

Great DVD news

October - The Sontaran Experiment (4th Doctor, Harry and Sarah Jane)
November - The Invasion (2nd Doctor, Jamie, the Brigadier, Sgt. Benton and Zoe)

A problem with the Invasion is that the first and fourth episodes are missing, but the audio is intact, therefore it MIGHT be animated.

And what I'm about to say is no joke, this was confirmed in Doctor Who Magazine with the others;

January - Return of the Master boxset: The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis and Castrovalva (4th Doctor, 5th Doctor, Adric, Nyssa and Tegan)

For those who don't know, the last two stories feature the 4th Doctor's death and regeneration

[JokerFish]

WTF

And that love life line at the end.......with a pavement slab? :eek:

Its called oral sex...... for those that dont know :)

[FreeRadical]

What is up with this series? The way The Doctor and Rose act with no care in the world, with all the schoolkid giggling and stuff, it looks like if the writers are setting them up a big fall for them, especially with Billie leaving...

Russell's writing is all over the place, too many in your face gags like farting aliens, and 'domestic' stuff like Boomtown and Earth based stories.

[TheCorpulent1]

And that love life line at the end.......with a pavement slab? :eek:
I know. I was so dreading after he said "we even have a love life, of sorts" that he'd slowly lower the pavement slab onto his pants and his eyes would start fluttering. :eek:

[black_dust]

Yeah the slab thing was very very odd!

[SpideyLad]

The 'Fear Her' site is up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/

[regwec]

Looks crap, and extremely derrivative.

[Whirlysplat]

Looks crap, and extremely derrivative.


Agreed.

- Whirly

[The Englishman]

Not ****ing London again!!!! :down

[The Amazing Lee]

hahahahhahaha.

Yeah, it would be nice to get out of London, even if I'm proud to watch the city in Doctor Who :up:

BUT

it would be nice for more episodes like The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit!

[TheCorpulent1]

It would be nice for more episodes that don't involve Earth in any way. All the other production crews managed to take Dr. Who to other worlds all the time on their budgets. You'd think Davies' crew could do the same more than a quarter of the season.

[Whirlysplat]

It would be nice for more episodes that don't involve Earth in any way. All the other production crews managed to take Dr. Who to other worlds all the time on their budgets. You'd think Davies' crew could do the same more than a quarter of the season.

Agreed, they have our licence fees as a flagship show and merchandising to support the show financially. Their are a lot of Doctor Who products.

- Whirly

[Lady Stormcrow]

Im not that hyped up about 'Fear Her' either. The only thing that seems interesting about it, is that it was written by the guy that did 'Life of Mars'

[regwec]

I suppose that, following an Event Horizon varient in one episode, they decided that they would plagarise Carrie/The Omen etc this time.

[JokerFish]

WOOO!!!!!

Doctor Who marathon for me!!

http://wms1.jasondolan.co.uk/Scotland

For all those americans who cant watch Doctor Who. I love this guy who runs the streaming video thing. Sometimes he does radio and sometimes Doctor Who :)

Usually updated every sunday with the latest episodes. Today hes playing all 10 episodes :D