Alright let's talk about tonight's ep "Pariah"

[The Incredible Hulk]

I know it's not on for 5 hours, but the forum is starting to degenerate into the same ol, same ol...

What's your expectations for the show tonight? Outside of the spoilers that you know already... Personally I'm really looking forward to seeing Clark catch the car myself :up:

Here's the link to the trailer:

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/files/smallville/trailers/season4/412.wmv

and then that 30 second clip of awkwardness:

http://www.thewb.com/exclude/MediaCenter/MediaPlayer/1,17761,,00.wvx?clipName=SM412-Clip_300k

[darkzombiemutt]

Im really excited for this episode. I think cuz I want to see him catch a car. Actually, I'm more excited to see how (you know who) finding out, handles the knowledge.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

All I have to say is, you lucky f**ks! I have to wait a day or 2 I think till it comes on the net so I can download it. :(

[darkzombiemutt]

I feel bad for ya DOOM. That blows chunks.

[Mike_D]

Hehe, I guess we'll find out tonight of Alicia is really psychotic or not. My guess is that Clark THINKS she went psycho again but it was probably something else. She ends up leaving Clark because of the mis-trust, leading to another possible future cameo.

A lot to assume being that the episode is 4.3 hours away.

-Mike

[AgentPat]

...A lot to assume being that the episode is 4.3 hours away.Agreed! There is a lot to assume about this ep, and not much concrete to sink our boots into. The big spoiler is cool, but nobody knows if Alicia is really bonkers or not, or if she makes it out of the ep in one piece. Personally, I love the chemistry between her and Clark, so I hope they don't off her at the end. Quite frankly, if she's "cured," I wouldn't mind seeing her character develop further and hook up with Bart and his new "club." LOL

[ducks]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/target.gif

Oh stop! I knew people would throw tomatoes at that suggestion. LOL

[Lara]

I'm thrilled the sheriff is back! I don't know why but I love it when she chews out Clark.

[Tomwelling4sups]

shes such a wise ass :D

[Serene]

I can't stand that sheriff! She makes my skin crawl for some reason. :eek:

I am so curious to see how they resolve Alicia's story.. and how Clark resolves his feelings for her. If she truly tricks him into showing Chloe his powers, then that's a betrayal I don't think he can forgive.. or should.

I think they've done a really great job with the character of Alicia.. she's one of the best they've had.. but I still think she needs just a *few* more therapy sessions. ;) (with a new doctor, of course!)

[triplet]

Im really excited for this episode. I think cuz I want to see him catch a car. Actually, I'm more excited to see how (you know who) finding out, handles the knowledge.

:up:

Same here. You know who reacting I will be very curious to see...

Are you folks getting the ep pre-empted or delayed due to the State of the Union?

It's on at the same time here but it's not getting pre-empted, luckily.

I guess our WB affiliate has decided not to show the SOTU....

[AgentPat]

Are you folks getting the ep pre-empted or delayed due to the State of the Union?RATS! I forgot about that. If they preempt in Boston, I'm gonna be PISSED!!


Oh, and BTW... totally OFF TOPIC, but Variety *just* announced Star Trek: Enterprise has bit the big one. UPN axed it. It's history folks. RIP. :(

[darkzombiemutt]

oh crap! They better not pre-empt the episode! I had no idea that was going on tonight. I'll be ultra pissed if it happens.

[triplet]

RATS! I forgot about that. If they preempt in Boston, I'm gonna be PISSED!!

The Right Coasters and Central time people don't have anything to worry about, the SOTU is on after Smallville.

It's the Western and Mountain time zones that would have to worry. My affiliate isn't carrying the SOTU, so I'm OK, but I was wondering if anyone else was going to have the problem.


Oh, and BTW... totally OFF TOPIC, but Variety *just* announced Star Trek: Enterprise has bit the big one. UPN axed it. It's history folks. RIP. :(

Crap. It was getting better this season too...

Did they say if they'd complete the season?

[Serene]

*whew*.. Just checked..we're still a go here in Chicagoland. You had me worried!


SOTU.. I'll give them a SOTU.. grrrrr...

[darkzombiemutt]

Whew, Im in Minneapolis, I guess I'm safe.

Too bad about Enterprise, it was an ok show, sounds like they get to finish the season off, then thats it.

[Serene]

ARRRRGH! Just got a call.. I've got something unavoidable to do tonight.. right at the end of SV! I know it'll be TiVO'd and I'll just have to watch it a little later this evening, but watching it live is something I look forward to all week.

Ah well.. at least I don't have to wait as long as our overseas friends to see it. (See how I'm talking myself out of kicking something?) ;)

[AgentPat]

Did they say if they'd complete the season?Here's the report:

'Enterprise' scuttled

Skein least successful 'Trek' since original
By JOSEF ADALIAN

Set phasers to 'over': UPN is pulling the plug on "Star Trek: Enterprise."

Par-produced skein will limp off the air May 13, ending a four-season run on the net. Despite a strong start, "Enterprise" never caught on with auds the way previous incarnations of the "Trek" franchise did, and as a result, "Enterprise" will go down in the star logs as the least successful "Trek" since the original skein.

A move to Fridays this season didn't help matters. Embarassingly, skein has ended up losing to Sci Fi's "Stargate SG-1," which airs at the same time on Fridays.

With "Enterprise" exiting, and no firm plans in place for a new feature film or TV spinoff announced, Par will find itself "Trek"-less for the first time since "Star Trek: The Next Generation" relaunched the franchise in 1986. UPN, which launched with "Star Trek: Voyager" 10 years ago, has never known a season sans "Trek."

Par Network TV prexy David Stapf said the studio was "grateful" for the work of "Enterprise's" cast and crew, and left open the possibility of future skeins.

"We all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise," he said.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117917301?categoryid=14&cs=1

That sux. Ah vell.

[Superfreak]

All I have to say is, you lucky f**ks! I have to wait a day or 2 I think till it comes on the net so I can download it. :(

but it'll be on the net, before the episode even airs on TV????? You could probably get the episode before it's aired, if you really nurse the download

[Superfreak]

Oh, and BTW... totally OFF TOPIC, but Variety *just* announced Star Trek: Enterprise has bit the big one. UPN axed it. It's history folks. RIP. :(

Enterprise has been good this season, friday night really doesn't treat a series well though. Anyhow, I noticed they've been repeating plots this season already, so maybe it was time to go. Hopefully they'll finish out the season, and the series properly, ending the season where it needs to, in federationville

[Caliber]

I hope its interseting because Clark should have done it with Alicia because she is hot!

[Tomwelling4sups]

sv in a couple hours!!!!! :D

[Spider_man96]

I hope its interseting because Clark should have done it with Alicia because she is hot!


Agreed!!

And tonight Episode will be good because theres not one smallville episode that wasnt good except maybe for magnetic.

[triplet]

Enterprise has been good this season, friday night really doesn't treat a series well though. Anyhow, I noticed they've been repeating plots this season already, so maybe it was time to go. Hopefully they'll finish out the season, and the series properly, ending the season where it needs to, in federationville

They got a new show runner and writers this year, and the show runner (lead writer, kinda like Jeph Loeb is for Smallville) was supposed to be their savior...

With a few eps this past season I kept wondering "Why did they bring in a whole new staff just to deliver derivative drek like this?"

They're creatively spent, 'tis true.

Prolly for the good.

But I got a question for Pat: what the heck is a skein?

You use the term and that Variety report used it too, I know it's a series (I got that from the context clues...) but I'm not sure how the word came to mean "series."

Here's the definition I found online:

A skein:
1. A loosely coiled length of yarn or thread wound on a reel
2. Something suggesting the twists or coils of a skein

If you can enlighten, I'd appreciate it...

[triplet]

Agreed!!

And tonight Episode will be good because theres not one smallville episode that wasnt good except maybe for magnetic.

Well, there was also Delete and Bound...

[Obsidian]

They need to bring John Savage (Dark Angel, Deer Hunter) in the show, maybe as the sherrif after they kill off the current one or something.

[Super_Ludacris]

Should be a good one

[Obsidian]

Just an observation from the previous episode:

When Alicia moves in front of Clark and takes the bullet for him, it reminded me of a similiar situation that happened in the comics. It's not recent at all, but was in one of the first comics of Superman done by the creators. I can't remember much from it, but the girl who "threw" herself in front of Superman died. Don't ask me why I remember this. I read it a long time ago, although I am not that old.

[Mike_D]

Well, its pretty obvious that Alicia didnnt try and kill Lana becauase of the sand/dirt.

-Mike

[SoulManX]

Oh please kill Lana Lang:joker:

God I can't stand her...Lois is so much better.

[SoulManX]

So we have someone who is trying to frame her....hmmm. Could be Timmy boy...those lone nerd type...you got to watch out for ;)

[Mike_D]

HAHA, I knew it, Alicia isnt psycho. BOO YA!!

...clark's friends are bastards.

-Mike

[SoulManX]

THAT WAS ****ING SWEET....catching that car in mid air is like off the chain...and now Chloe Ace Report for a great small high school newspaper has the story of a lifetime.

[Mike_D]

awww that sucks, alicia was hot (and not psycho)...

-Mike

[GYUVER]

HEEEELLLLLL YEAH! This ep is awsome!

*spoiler*





When Clark finds Alicia dead he looks just Like Reeve in Superman 1. That look in his eye when he went after Timmy and tried to kill him was great.

[SoulManX]

Is it me or is Tommy's acting getting so much better...man I wish Chris Reeves was here to see that. All Clark now needs to do is turn the world back....still should have killed the SOB Tim.

[AmazinUncleBen]

Hmm I wonder what they're gonna do with Chloe now...

[SoulManX]

Yea Singer better hope this unknown can live up to the hype...cuz Tommy going to show people he is Superman.

[AmazinUncleBen]

Is it me or is Tommy's acting getting so much better...man I wish Chris Reeves was here to see that. All Clark now needs to do is turn the world back....still should have killed the SOB Tim.

His acting might be getting better but its still not great, and when I saw that scene it did remind me of the scene in Superman: The Movie.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

:O they killed her off?? :((( Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[AmazinUncleBen]

Clark needs to grieve better, which all those powers I'd be running around the world instead of sitting in my loft.

[SoulManX]

True but in the right director's hands Tom Welling could be our Superman or next big thing....remember right director.

[Obsidian]

Great approach with Chloe discovering the truth but not letting Clark know that she knows.

[AgentPat]

But I got a question for Pat: what the heck is a skein?

You use the term and that Variety report used it too, I know it's a series (I got that from the context clues...) but I'm not sure how the word came to mean "series." ... If you can enlighten, I'd appreciate it...Hehehe... "Skein" is Variety's slanguage. It's just another term for "TV series."



Annnnyhooooo... regarding tonight's episode. Lemme just say....

Wow!
(Why can't they ALL be like that? Day-um, that was gooood!)

[Obsidian]

I'm astounded. Alicia is Clark's 2nd girlfriend that dies. And Lana and Jason didn't even come to comfort him, only Chloe. Chloe shouldn't die damnit!:mad:

[SoulManX]

But now 2 people know...and you know what happen to Pete.....though I think Chloe may die with this secret.

[Batman]

Chloe knows Clarks secret.....


Is it me,or is everyone and their mother gonna know about Clark before Lana?:(

[Mike_D]

That sucks man...alicia died...HOPE YOUR HAPPY LANA LOVERS!!!

Next week's trailer looks awesome though, Tom is REALLY startin to show emotion throuugh the character.

-Mike

[Dr Magneto Doom]

From what I'm reading so far from you guys, it looks like this episode might be the turning point of what I’d call a mixed bag of crap and good season so far.

Will anyone be kind enough to PM me or post here if they find a torrent anytime soon so I can download? I live in the UK so I can't watch it other than that way. Thanks

[AgentPat]

From what I'm reading so far from you guys, it looks like this episode might be the turning point of what I’d call a mixed bag of crap and good season so far.

Will anyone be kind enough to PM me or post here if they find a torrent anytime soon so I can download? I live in the UK so I can't watch it other than that way. ThanksI don't know any place where you can DL it though. Sorry. :(

But for what it's worth, that ep was re-heeeeely good. LOTS of homages to the Donner pic, not to mention more bricks in Clark's reasoning wall for donning the tights down the road. I really enjoyed this ep. And yeah, Welling has come quite a way. He's just been knocking 'em out of the park left and right. The last two episodes have been awesome! I just hope they can keep up the momentum now.

[Tomwelling4sups]

this was a great ep :up:

anyone get a flashback of S:TM ? :D

[riotgirl77]

Ok I'm confused what was the real motive of that person who assaulted Jason and Lana.....must've missed it? BTW great episode tonite!

[Obsidian]

He's really conservative:o

[The Incredible Hulk]

See thats what you call a damn good episode. Everything fit well, the pacing was good, and even though I detest Chloe in all her forms, the way they handled her finding out but keeping quiet was great. The villain in it was really secondary to the overall story, you didnt know why he had those powers and it didnt matter, that means the writers did thier job in keeping you interested in the overall arch's of the story.

Good character development all around , the plot moved forward, and Tom was great with his range of emotions. Like everyone else I thought of SUperman the movie when he let out the screams when he found Alicia dead. I also thought he was going to pop that guy's head off at the end...

:up: :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ok I'm confused what was the real motive of that person who assaulted Jason and Lana.....must've missed it? BTW great episode tonite!


He just seemed like a real nutjob conservative who deemed their relationship immoral and thought they should be punished

[AgentPat]

Okay, so the homage to S:TM was sledgehammer obvious.
Anybody catch the one from "The Great Escape?" Hee!!

I love this show!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cloud9.gif

[Hush]

I found tonights ep and last weeks ep (kinda a 2 parter) to be the best eps of the season they were just acted well through and through i got chills when welling got mad like that, HE NEARLY KILLED A GUY. i was wowed tonight the girl who plays alicia can act in my opinion, she really made me feel for her tonight in the talon. thats my 2 cents.

[Sun_Down]

This episode left me with kinda mixed feelings...SPOILERS AHOY...



I was a little surprised to see Alicia back so soon, but it actually makes sense. People don't just disappear in real life because they've embarassed themselves or eloped. Speaking of which, I really wonder how Lois knew about the whole marriage thing...just how does Clark explain THAT? Anyway, the tragedy of Alicia Baker continued on and finally came to a very poignant end. Clark finding her and proceeding to kick the **** out of that creepy kid was GREAT. Although it did kinda add to the whole mixed feelings thing. The end of last week's ep was done so well and was so touching, but it just seemed so sudden when she died. It seems like they wasted a lot of time on the Jason and his creepy mom thing when they could've/should've allowed a little more time for such a big occurence. Overall, another great episode.

[AgentPat]

I must admit Jane was looking hot in her scene with Lex.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/joker.gifLOL! Y'know, I'm a woman and even *I* noticed that. JS hasn't let age get the best of her, nuh uh!!

[SoulManX]

I must admit Jane was looking hot in her scene with Lex.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/joker.gif

[SoulManX]

Yea Jason is wearing thin IMO....just like Lana...

[storyteller]

I like how they closed that. I mean i'm satisfied. Now to end the lana bit(get her off the show) and jason. Also jor el has to be ended.

[Mike_D]

Guys...if the season finale is anything like the episode tonight...my life should just end...it shall be complete...


...on second thought, season 5 is just around the corner :D

-Mike

[Morg]

Chloe knows Clarks secret.....


Is it me,or is everyone and their mother gonna know about Clark before Lana?:(


From the hints Lana has said I think she already knows or suspect.


Now for the episode: WOW great show,.

Clark was going to kill that guy if Lois wasn't there, Chloe nows knows Clark secret(some) she doesn't know he is a alien though but probably think he a meteor freak. That talk with Lois pretty much says she will keep his secret to herself.

[Obsidian]

The fact that Alicia wasn't the real perp, she was framed, and then she was killed was the best "plot twist" I've seen in this show.

What is Genevieve's motive against Lana?

[Batman]

From the hints Lana has said I think she already knows or suspect.


True......:o

[The Guardian]

DAMN, THAT WAS A SWEET EPISODE, LOIS WAS AS HOT AS EVER AS WERE THE REST OF THE LADIES!:D ;) :supes:

[AgentPat]

Guys...if the season finale is anything like the episode tonight...my life should just end...it shall be complete...I think we can safely assume the season finale will be amazing. They've ALL been amazing.

...on second thought, season 5 is just around the corner :DThis season is barely half over and I'm *already* jonsing for the 5th season. Bizarre!

[Frantik]

I loved every minute of it. I have so many questions that will be answered as the season progesses. What is going to happen to Chloe? I think I know but for real? When does Lana and Clark make this friendship happen that will last for all time? When will Jason leave? (I can't wait) And oh poor Clark. I just wanna hug him.;)

[Morg]

The fact that Alicia wasn't the real perp, she was framed, and then she was killed was the best "plot twist" I've seen in this show.

What is Genevieve's motive against Lana?

That is a big unknown, I often wonder if it has to do when she was turned into a witch.

[kamuiiv]

All I have to say is, you lucky f**ks! I have to wait a day or 2 I think till it comes on the net so I can download it. :(

http://btefnet.net/index.php - the episode should be up on this site within the next couple hours..if you know how to use bittorrent you are set

[The Incredible Hulk]

uggh I made the mistake of going over to the boards over at K-Site, what a bunch of whiney, little, know-nothing, idiots..... There's a guy who dedicated a whole thread to saying Smallville sucks because Alicia didnt have a "nice goodbye" with Clark??? :confused: I swear those people need t o go back and watch their Buffy DVD's or pickuip a Supermna comic once in a while and just STFU.... :rolleyes:

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://btefnet.net/index.php - the episode should be up on this site within the next couple hours..if you know how to use bittorrent you are set



Nice job, good thing WB doesnt scout these boards regularly or anything... hope thats not your personal site :up:

[kamuiiv]

Nice job, good thing WB doesnt scout these boards regularly or anything... hope thats not your personal site :up:

Nope...not my site...but still a pretty good site...if anyone misses a show you can catch it up on the site a couple hrs later usually.

[Thunder Emperor]

The fact that Alicia wasn't the real perp, she was framed, and then she was killed was the best "plot twist" I've seen in this show.

What is Genevieve's motive against Lana?


This sucks, I am at work now, and i can't wait to get home to watch the eps. from the sounds of it, it is a solid one. thanks God for Tivo.by the way Obsidian who is the hot chick in your avatar. thanks ;)

[supercrashmac]

Did you notice the 2 William Shatner jokes within a minute. First they said Jason "pulled a T.J. Hooker and busted open the door" and then Chloe said Alicia could teleport better than Captain Kirk!

[AgentPat]

uggh I made the mistake of going over to the boards over at K-Site, what a bunch of whiney, little, know-nothing, idiots..... There's a guy who dedicated a whole thread to saying Smallville sucks because Alicia didnt have a "nice goodbye" with Clark??? :confused: I swear those people need t o go back and watch their Buffy DVD's or pickuip a Supermna comic once in a while and just STFU.... :rolleyes:Too funny! I just took a swing by DTS to see what *they* were saying, and it's the complete opposite. Much to my utter amazement, most of the folks posting over at DTS actually liked the ep. Last week, they were ready to pull out their Uzis (sp?). Go freakin' figure? LMAO!!!

[Serene]

SPOILERS... in case anyone is trying to avoid them......



I can't believe the intensity of mixed feelings this episode left me with. What an amazing job everyone did on this one.

Since my head is still reeling.. here are just a few comments.

I was really upset when Alicia "showed" Chloe Clark's powers. I dunno.. I guess I just hated seeing him so betrayed, knowing how hard he's worked to keep his abilities a secret. It was so .. invasive. I'm not really explaining well, I'm having a hard time putting it into words. :(

You could have knocked me over with a feather when he found Alicia hanged. I didn't see it coming, and the effect was as it should have been, a complete shock. I love it when a show successfully surprises me. Watching Clark's reaction had me almost in tears. It's hard to watch a character you love go through such pain... and Tom did another wonderful job with this scene. The guy gets more and more impressive with each episode.

I officially love Genevieve. Yeah, okay.. she's bad, but I love the presence she brings. Power to the sexy old broads. ;) :up:

Jason and Lex working together... I like it. <befg>

I liked Lois more in this ep than I have in any others. ED really seems a lot more comfortable and.. relaxed.. in the role. I still think she'd be great in her own show.

I reallly don't want to rag on Chloe.. but I'm afraid I have to, a little bit. I *hate* her knowing. I can't help it, I just do. She's going to use the knowledge.. just like she did tonight at the frickin' graveside.. to say the right things to Clark to get him closer to her again. I don't think there's any chance that she would ever betray his secret.. but I do think she'll use the knowledge to her advantage. She's going to do everything she can to coerce him into revealing it to her himself. I think he will too, and when he does, I wonder if she'll ever tell him that she already knew, because of Alicia (knowing how much that would hurt him).

Edited to add my :up::up::up::up:

[Timstuff]

Wow, what an episode! Easily one of the best this season. This season we've seen quite a few less than stellar eps, but this one is easily one of the better episodes, for the series in general for that matter. So much emotion, so much drama! Excellent! :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Too funny! I just took a swing by DTS to see what *they* were saying, and it's the complete opposite. Much to my utter amazement, most of the folks posting over at DTS actually liked the ep. Last week, they were ready to pull out their Uzis (sp?). Go freakin' figure? LMAO!!!


Theyre just so stupid, they all have the attention span of my cat and miss key things in the show, then they scream "plot hole" or "stupid episode", for instance the part with Alicia getting captured and hung. Most of them didnt see the rather obvious scene of her wilting when the guy put the rag over her mouth, implying that he had chlorofom on it. And then they say it's a logistical problem with the show because she didnt teleport out of the noose?? :confused:

Then they cant understand why she didnt have a "better death".. Umm hello, she's getting framed the whoel show by this dude. He's not going to just killer her and make the cops think the killer is still at large. He needs to make it look like she offed herself, as it implies her guilt and also makes them stop looking for someone....

I swear people need a frickin map to get 1+1 to equal 2 nowadays... Theyd have hated TV in the 70's when people used to actually have to draw their own conclusions on things because the writers wanted you to think.....

[Johnny DC]

I didn't know the spoiler when I watched it tonight. When Chloe found out and it cut to commercial my head just about exploded.

I'm not sure how I feel about Chloe knowing. IMO, this can only mean bad news for her. Everyone elso who's found out has died.

Are they still introducing her into the comics this year?

[AgentPat]

LOL! Hulk, the same things are being questioned over at DTS, but at least they still liked the ep.

Some things aren't always made clear by the writing or setting. For example, why would everybody and their mother know that Clark and Alicia got married? How in bloody hell would he explain THAT one to his friends? Too much beer? Rohypnol? C'mon! But the chloroform seemed rather obvious. Guess these youngins haven't seen enough 60's and 70's cop shows to know about that stuff. LOL!!! ;)

[Dr Magneto Doom]

the torrent is already online lol whoa! yey.

[DarkKnightJRK]

That was awesome. I really liked when Clark finds Alicia's dead body and all the grief/anger that came with it in the episode. If the rest of the episodes are as good as this, I'll be a happy man. :up:

[I_am_budders]

I think it's great she knows, though it kind of makes her look like she's trying to move in now that Alicia and Lana are out of the picture, playing the whole supportive friend with out Clark knowing role.

They've also been dropping hints that she's losing her Journalistic drive, about as much as they were doing at the beginning of the season to imply that she'd find out Clark's secret. Perhaps fate will have something else in store for Chloe other than death or journalism. The more that Chloe's losing faith/interest in journalism, the more we're seeing Lois picking up the slack. I don't think this is being done by chance.

[SoulManX]

Something about a black dress makes women very sexyhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Would love to see Martha in onehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL! Hulk, the same things are being questioned over at DTS, but at least they still liked the ep.

Some things aren't always made clear by the writing or setting. For example, why would everybody and their mother know that Clark and Alicia got married? How in bloody hell would he explain THAT one to his friends? Too much beer? Rohypnol? C'mon! But the chloroform seemed rather obvious. Guess these youngins haven't seen enough 60's and 70's cop shows to know about that stuff. LOL!!! ;)


I swear I want to go off on people there, but I dont feel like hearing some 17 year old mod give me a lecture about "everyone having valid feelings"... Meh maybe I'll just go get banned, I cant stomach posting there anyway...

[Serene]

Some things aren't always made clear by the writing or setting. For example, why would everybody and their mother know that Clark and Alicia got married? How in bloody hell would he explain THAT one to his friends? Too much beer? Rohypnol? C'mon!

Here's my theory.. not to speak ill of the dead, buuut..

Remember in Obsession when Pete was congratulating Clark on getting caught with Alicia in his room and Clark wondered how Pete (and the rest of the school) knew? Clark even said that no one knew except him and Alicia.. Then Pete says, "Well, I guess she's not as secretive as you."

Methinks Alicia likes to brag about what she considers "hers." It would only take telling one person in a small town like SV for word to get around.

[triplet]

Okay, so the homage to S:TM was sledgehammer obvious.
Anybody catch the one from "The Great Escape?" Hee!!

Didn't quite catch that, but you're so right! LOL!

Cue Cheryl Crowe "Like Steeeeevvvvve McQueeeeeeeen......"


I love this show!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/cloud9.gif

I love this show!

[JcDc]

SPOILERS... in case anyone is trying to avoid them......



I can't believe the intensity of mixed feelings this episode left me with. What an amazing job everyone did on this one.

Since my head is still reeling.. here are just a few comments.

I was really upset when Alicia "showed" Chloe Clark's powers. I dunno.. I guess I just hated seeing him so betrayed, knowing how hard he's worked to keep his abilities a secret. It was so .. invasive. I'm not really explaining well, I'm having a hard time putting it into words. :(

You could have knocked me over with a feather when he found Alicia hanged. I didn't see it coming, and the effect was as it should have been, a complete shock. I love it when a show successfully surprises me. Watching Clark's reaction had me almost in tears. It's hard to watch a character you love go through such pain... and Tom did another wonderful job with this scene. The guy gets more and more impressive with each episode.

I officially love Genevieve. Yeah, okay.. she's bad, but I love the presence she brings. Power to the sexy old broads. ;) :up:

Jason and Lex working together... I like it. <befg>

I liked Lois more in this ep than I have in any others. ED really seems a lot more comfortable and.. relaxed.. in the role. I still think she'd be great in her own show.

I reallly don't want to rag on Chloe.. but I'm afraid I have to, a little bit. I *hate* her knowing. I can't help it, I just do. She's going to use the knowledge.. just like she did tonight at the frickin' graveside.. to say the right things to Clark to get him closer to her again. I don't think there's any chance that she would ever betray his secret.. but I do think she'll use the knowledge to her advantage. She's going to do everything she can to coerce him into revealing it to her himself. I think he will too, and when he does, I wonder if she'll ever tell him that she already knew, because of Alicia (knowing how much that would hurt him).

Edited to add my



Well said :up:

I also have a problem with how Chloe found out from Alicia telling her. Then Alicia gets hung :-/ I was hoping they'd let it come a little more full circle.

[Obsidian]

You think Clark will resent Lana and Jason for awhile because they treated Alicia like dirt?

[GothicPowerMix1]

AWESOME EPISODE


Tom Willing really surprised me with how well he handeled Alicias death

& I hate Lana even more because she could NOT even apologize to Clark for accusing Alicia after finding out the truth Heck Lois & Chloe did it wouldnt kill the writers to add in a 5 min apology from BOTH Lana & Jason the stupid idiots

DIE LANA

[triplet]

Too funny! I just took a swing by DTS to see what *they* were saying, and it's the complete opposite. Much to my utter amazement, most of the folks posting over at DTS actually liked the ep. Last week, they were ready to pull out their Uzis (sp?). Go freakin' figure? LMAO!!!

LOL!

Makes perfect sense, their "block" to Clana is gone!

I'm just gonna have to watch it again... the kids are in bed and my hubby is working late and there ain't a damn thing on because the Prez is still talking...

I'll just have to sufffer.

I loved this episode. It's right behind Transference, Run, and Crusade so far this season....

Most excellent, especially with all the nods to Superman:TM, hints at his decision making process leading up to him finally pulling on the tights, and Tom's acting.

Excellent ep.

[Serene]

You think Clark will resent Lana and Jason for awhile because they treated Alicia like dirt?

If he does, he'll have to resent Jonathan, Martha, Lois, Chloe, and pretty much the rest of the town as well. Alicia was set-up and everyone, including Clark, thought she was guilty.

Regardless of the attack in this episode.. I think Lana is TOTALLY within her rights to not want anything to do with Alicia EVER, recovered or not.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Chole & Lois BOTH


APOLOGIZED

to Clark about the way they treated Alicia
Its everyone else he should hate

[JcDc]

I think it taught Clark a lesson, to TRUST... His feelings were influenced by EVERYONE else talking about her. Should have made up his own mind and trusted his instinct :o

[JcDc]

Jonathan and Martha should have felt guilty. It seems kind of hypocritical to have this son that's "different" and know what can happen as a result of that, then turn away a girl who is also different and is trying to be something better. :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Thats one thing I forgot it would have been nice to see his parents APOLOGIZE on screen I am guessing they did it off screen

Because if I was Clark & they came up here without saying they were DEAD wrong about someone Id love

Id be VERY TICKED OFF

[triplet]

LOL! Hulk, the same things are being questioned over at DTS, but at least they still liked the ep.

Some things aren't always made clear by the writing or setting. For example, why would everybody and their mother know that Clark and Alicia got married? How in bloody hell would he explain THAT one to his friends? Too much beer? Rohypnol? C'mon! But the chloroform seemed rather obvious. Guess these youngins haven't seen enough 60's and 70's cop shows to know about that stuff. LOL!!! ;)

I figured the marriage bit came out once Alicia had ended up in the hospital with a bullet in her. They woulda had to report it to the police and it woulda came out why Dr. McBride tried to shoot Clark... then people woulda talked. That didn't bother me.

What really bothers me now is we'll never know how Alicia found out about the Red-K....

I thought for sure we'd find out tonight! Dammit all to hell.

Great ep, aside from that! :D :up: :up:

And to not know about Chloroform? Kids nowadays... ;) Sheesh.

[triplet]

I think it taught Clark a lesson, to TRUST... His feelings were influenced by EVERYONE else talking about her. Should have made up his own mind and trusted his instinct :o

Yeah, true.

I bet he won't make that mistake again.

Jonathan and Martha should have felt guilty. It seems kind of hypocritical to have this son that's "different" and know what can happen as a result of that, then turn away a girl who is also different and is trying to be something better. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface1.gif

I thought they did feel guilty when they were talking to him in the loft.... I'll have to watch again.

Oh, how I'll suffer! ;)

[Obsidian]

Clark would have been better of with Kyla. Damn guys with guns!:mad:

[GYUVER]

Mind telling me how to use bit torrent

[The Master]

A very good episode. I thought that Alicia dying was a good twist and helped the show to mature from the norm of Clark always saving damsel in distress all the time.

I will say that Clark losing Alicia and going after that "sandman" character reminded me of the whole "Death of Gwen Stacy" story, but that's a small thing to me. I still loved the episode.

[Mike_D]

About the kryptonsite message boards:

last year i registered with the boards. they were talking about "obsession" (first appearance of alicia baker). I posted a message (jokign around obviously) saying "yea, a girl whose psychotic...what else is new, LOL".

...they banned me, LOL.

but yea, I must say, once again, that this episode was one of the greats.

-Mike

[Timstuff]

The conversations Clark had after loosing Alicia I think were some very good and subtle hints at Clark's future as Superman. Also, her death will likely fuel his desire to become Superman down the rode. I think that this could possibly be the best episode of the season.

[Kaiser]

Tonight's episode was great. At the end, though, was Chloe thinking how could she have missed that Clark was who he is (a "freak") at the end?

Also, the episodes have a different feel towards them now. They seem even darker than they were before. The score in tonights episode was awesome.

[GothicPowerMix1]

One Thing I Think Will Happen Is

I think we will see a BIG change with Chloe the rest of the season
I mean if shes willing to take down the wall of weird because of her finding out about Clark who knows whats next

[Zing79]

Nice job, good thing WB doesnt scout these boards regularly or anything... hope thats not your personal site :up:
Actually TV has been just about the ONLY medium that hasn't openly stated they have problems with Bittorrent and file sharing.

For them it's not a real issue. The episode already aired (so they got paid); no matter how good the encode, it'll still never be as good as what you'll get on the DVD (hence you buying the DVD). So from their perspective it's nothing more then a free way to build pub.

Trust me - TV is just about the only medium not having an ass fart over file sharing. But as always, things could change.

Oh...and awesome ep.
/looks around to make sure he's in the right forum
Makes me long for what could have been.

[triplet]

/looks around to make sure he's in the right forum
Makes me long for what could have been.

Yeah, me too.

He was so superman like in this one. His anger, his dispair, the weight of the consequences... It was just totally wow.

My Gawd. The scene where he finds Alicia is even more effective upon a second showing, but I do wish he woulda hugged her there... but that's my only regret about that scene.

Tom totally rocked in this episode!

[Lara]

I actually cried Darn Smallville. Well at least Alcia has her place now having helped him on the road to becoming Superman. Great episode.

[Super_Child]

ARGHHHHHHH ALICIA DIES?!?!?!?

Still no torrent up on the websites I go to yet BAH!

Damn being in the UK!

[The Lizard]

I liked the ep overall, but I'm torn between being impressed at Chloe learning Clark's secret and PISSED at how Alicia was killed off.

There was MORE than enough opportunity for Alicia to teleport away between the time Tim grabbed her and when the chloroform took effect. If she can teleport away faster than Clark can grab her, then she should have easily been able to get away from Tim.

Yes, I realize that the whole point was that she had to die before the end of the episode, but that was just sloppy writing IMO.

Clark's anger however, was awesome, and Chloe's little speech at Alicia's grave was so sad. I can't wait for Chloe and Pete to get together and figure out that they each know the big secret.

[RakuMon]

My wife cried when Clark found Alicia. And she cried all the way through to the scene b/w Clark and Chloe at the cemetery. Very effective episode. It too makes me long for what could've been. My wife, who's not a follower of the comics but loves the show, was actually MOVED by Tom's perf. That should say something to the suits at WB. They had an awesome Superman and let him go.

I was really expecting Clark to launch fist first into the sky and turn the world backwards to save Alicia.

[The Incredible Hulk]

For a someone Alicia's size, lets say she weighs like 105 lbs for arguments sake, if there's enough Chloroform on that rag she goes down in about 2-3 seconds. That ****e works pretty quick. Being that the guy snuck up behind her and surprised her, it probbaly take her at least half of that time to figure out what the hell was going on. If he had come at her from the front, I'd agree she had enough time to tp, but I thought the fact she got surprised was beliveable.

As for her death, like I said earlier, it goes with the plot of the overall episode. Sand boy is framing her the entire show, so he cant just kill her off or else that basically absolves her of the other crimes. He's got to make it look like a suicide, as it makes her look guilty, and also deters the cops from continuing to look for a killer. I thought in context it made a lot of sense, even though it wasnt as dramatic as some wouldve liked.

[galmorzu]

You know what's weird, but him screaming when he found Alicia dead was heart wrenching to the core, but the best moment in the entire episode was just before Chloe started taking down the wall. For so long her character grated on my nerves by seeming to be such a whiny brat sometimes, and I half expected her to flip out and be all, "oh my god! He lied to me! That jerk, why would he be like that!" just like from Clark's own nightmares. But instead it was like she realized what his own problem was and felt bad for being so cold to him for so long. That sense from her that it was time to put this stuff behind her, grow up, and try and show Clark that he really does have a friend who understands him now was very touching and made me smile (through the tears of course).

And her speech to him at the grave was so well written. I can't believe that just a bit of heart in her character like this has totally changed my opinion about her. I can't wait to see how she treats Clark from here on out (with warmth and understanding for the first time instead of bewildered shock and outrage).

Wonderful episode, one of the best, if not the best best episodes I've seen from this series to date.

[Serene]

And her speech to him at the grave was so well written. I can't believe that just a bit of heart in her character like this has totally changed my opinion about her. I can't wait to see how she treats Clark from here on out (with warmth and understanding for the first time instead of bewildered shock and outrage).

I can't say that I've totally changed my opinion of her, but after rewatching the episode I do feel a little better about her knowing. I'll feel a LOT better once she tells him that she knows. Even if he doesn't want her to know, not telling him that she does just feels wrong to me.

Wonderful episode, one of the best, if not the best best episodes I've seen from this series to date.

:up: :)

[Serene]

For a someone Alicia's size, lets say she weighs like 105 lbs for arguments sake, if there's enough Chloroform on that rag she goes down in about 2-3 seconds. That ****e works pretty quick. Being that the guy snuck up behind her and surprised her, it probbaly take her at least half of that time to figure out what the hell was going on. If he had come at her from the front, I'd agree she had enough time to tp, but I thought the fact she got surprised was beliveable.

Exactly.. you have to allow a second or two for her shock at being grabbed and being smothered by a chloroform soaked rag. I didn't find it unbelievable at all that she wouldn't have teleported in that scenario. The times she teleported away from Clark were premeditated.

Just thought of something... good thing Clark never made her put a lead bracelet back on.. Can you imagine his GUILT if he realized that she couldn't save herself because he made her put the bracelet back on! Yikes.

[Lara]

Her death was supposed to make us angry I think some people are taking that out on the writers saying she deserved better etc... but that was the whole point it was tragic and senseless.

[Lobo]

I enjoyed the episode. Alicia dying madme me :mad: but I guess it had to happen :(
The homage to Reeve was great I had a total geekgasm. Can't wait 4 next week

[newbrando]

(small voice) I didn't like this episode. I thought the acting was terrible and the story made very little sense. (/small voice) But I want to be a part of everybody praising it so I'm just going to focus on what I liked.

Chloe in the end scene - she rocks. She was actually crying. She's such a good actress. Does anybody else watch with the closed captioning on? I noticed that the cc said the song they were playing was, "You Don't Know Me" which is an awesome song. I think they decided against putting it in the show though because it's a little too romantic for the situation. Anyway, who knew Minnie Driver could sing?!?!

[Lara]

(small voice) I didn't like this episode. I thought the acting was terrible and the story made very little sense. (/small voice) But I want to be a part of everybody praising it so I'm just going to focus on what I liked.

Chloe in the end scene - she rocks. She was actually crying. She's such a good actress. Does anybody else watch with the closed captioning on? I noticed that the cc said the song they were playing was, "You Don't Know Me" which is an awesome song. I think they decided against putting it in the show though because it's a little too romantic for the situation. Anyway, who knew Minnie Driver could sing?!?!

REPENT! REPENT! :p :) j/k kinda ;)

[triplet]

You know what's weird, but him screaming when he found Alicia dead was heart wrenching to the core, but the best moment in the entire episode was just before Chloe started taking down the wall. For so long her character grated on my nerves by seeming to be such a whiny brat sometimes, and I half expected her to flip out and be all, "oh my god! He lied to me! That jerk, why would he be like that!" just like from Clark's own nightmares. But instead it was like she realized what his own problem was and felt bad for being so cold to him for so long. That sense from her that it was time to put this stuff behind her, grow up, and try and show Clark that he really does have a friend who understands him now was very touching and made me smile (through the tears of course).

And her speech to him at the grave was so well written. I can't believe that just a bit of heart in her character like this has totally changed my opinion about her. I can't wait to see how she treats Clark from here on out (with warmth and understanding for the first time instead of bewildered shock and outrage).

Wonderful episode, one of the best, if not the best best episodes I've seen from this series to date.

Excellent points! :up:

I totally agree, but I've always loved Chloe. I think in the long run it will be good for her character to know... it is an interestting twist that she knows but Clark doesn't realize it yet.

I loved the scene at the graveside... Allison Mack did a wonderful job there and her speech was brilliant.

[triplet]

I can't say that I've totally changed my opinion of her, but after rewatching the episode I do feel a little better about her knowing. I'll feel a LOT better once she tells him that she knows. Even if he doesn't want her to know, not telling him that she does just feels wrong to me.


You still feel that way even after Lois' speech?

I think Chloe will have some dilemas to deal with in what to do and when (or if) it's a good idea to let Clark know she knows, but I think her knowing finally has made her understand him better.

I think, this might be just my subjective take on the sitch, that I saw hints of what I was hoping for: that her knowing will finally allow her to give up on her unrequited love for him.

Especially given her taking down the Clark related Wall of Weird items and then her speech to him at Alicia's grave... I think she's ready to just be his friend.

[The Incredible Hulk]

(small voice) I didn't like this episode. I thought the acting was terrible and the story made very little sense. (/small voice) But I want to be a part of everybody praising it so I'm just going to focus on what I liked.

Chloe in the end scene - she rocks. She was actually crying. She's such a good actress. Does anybody else watch with the closed captioning on? I noticed that the cc said the song they were playing was, "You Don't Know Me" which is an awesome song. I think they decided against putting it in the show though because it's a little too romantic for the situation. Anyway, who knew Minnie Driver could sing?!?!

what did u find at fault with the acting and storyline? :confused: Hell even JcDc gave Welling props on his acting, so I'd be interested to hear this...

[Bad Superman]

REPENT! REPENT! :p :) j/k kinda ;)

Well said. . . .

REPENT. . . . REEPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/Bad_Superman/Inquisitor.jpg

[Bad Superman]

Me and my girl cheered when Clark showed up at the Talon with Alicia specially when Lana exploded with jealousy. . . I thought for a second Clark was going to fry Jason with his heat vision when Jason came close to Clark.

[GL-Corps#28]

The conversations Clark had after loosing Alicia I think were some very good and subtle hints at Clark's future as Superman. Also, her death will likely fuel his desire to become Superman down the rode. I think that this could possibly be the best episode of the season.
I thought it was excellent, but better than Transference and Run?

[triplet]

I thought it was excellent, but better than Transference and Run?

Good question... Hmmm.

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/u_thinking02y.gif


I think not, but for me I'd probably put it in fourth behind them and Crusade.

[GL-Corps#28]

Hey Triplet, is the quote in your sig about Routh?

[Super_Child]

Yes it is, it's from an article a while back about what various famous people said about Routh's signing on as Superman and thats what Alex Ross had to say.

[The Lizard]

For a someone Alicia's size, lets say she weighs like 105 lbs for arguments sake, if there's enough Chloroform on that rag she goes down in about 2-3 seconds. That ****e works pretty quick. Being that the guy snuck up behind her and surprised her, it probbaly take her at least half of that time to figure out what the hell was going on. If he had come at her from the front, I'd agree she had enough time to tp, but I thought the fact she got surprised was beliveable.



Wait-- maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during this part. How did Tim "surprise" Alicia? She catches him stealing some of her stuff to frame her again, then he quickly grabs her and puts the chloroform rag on her face.

How was she surprised? Did I maybe look away and miss a part where he sand-shifted behind her or something?

[triplet]

Hey Triplet, is the quote in your sig about Routh?

Why yes it is.

You have a problem with that?

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/518.gif

[triplet]

Wait-- maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during this part. How did Tim "surprise" Alicia? She catches him stealing some of her stuff to frame her again, then he quickly grabs her and puts the chloroform rag on her face.

How was she surprised? Did I maybe look away and miss a part where he sand-shifted behind her or something?

No, but she clearly didn't expect him to grab her. She had a surprised look on her face.

[newbrando]

what did u find at fault with the acting and storyline? :confused: Hell even JcDc gave Welling props on his acting, so I'd be interested to hear this...

Hmm, I don't want to bring down the mood of the thread. Please stop reading here if you don't want to hear me ramble about bad writing, acting, etc.

1)I'll start with this. Everybody looked tired. Was that just me seeing that or maybe it was shot that way to make it seem spooky? Even Lana and especially Lois looked haggarded in her scene where she is trying to get Chloe to open up about what's bothering her. I know that certain sets in SMALLVILLE are shot to exaggerate the colors to tell you how Clark feels - for instance the farm and school are bright - but everything was drab. And all their emotional reactions were hostile.

2)Lois seemed out of character. When Lois says into the mic, "First you marry her, and then you date her" I just thought Lois seemed especially harsh. See Allison could actually pull a line like that off without seeming mean, because Allison usually turns Chloe's digs into self-depreciating comments. For example, in Heat when Clark is in jail, Chloe explains that Lex's wife gets her power from pheramones and she adds, "Fortunately Clark is immune to some members of the opposite sex." Hee. See, that was funny because Clark had just dumped her at the dance and you know Chloe's character is more talking about herself than trying to hurt Clark. I didn't understand Lois' motivations when she said that. She just came to town to visit. She's a busy body and she just comes off as a stuck up brat in this episode. Even when the dopey guy asked her for a date, she just looked like, "C'mon I'm too good for this."

3)TW put some much energy and charisma in his performance in Unsafe, but in this episode he just seemed to be going through the motions. There was so much affection and charm with Alicia in Unsafe even before he is on RedK and in this episode Clark and Alicia mind as well be brother and sister. I can understand them being agitated because everyone thinks Alicia killed someone, but they also seemed blazee' about the whole thing. Alicia, when she teleported Chloe into the car was just like, "Hey watch this." When Alicia realized Clark didn't believe her, she was just like, "Ok, I'll go away now." This from a girl who cried her way thru last week?!! I was confused.

4)The scenes went on too long. Them singing "I Love Rock 'n Roll" in the beginning is case in point. Allison looked bored to death.

5)Lex shows up out of nowhere and seems forced into the episode. At first, when the scene opens in the mansion, I was seriously thinking, "Hey, what's this" and then I remembered Lex is in the series. Seriously, he's underused. And he said "My enemy's enemy" which annoyed me because Jason's mother is not his enemy. Nor is Jason his mother's enemy. If he meant Lionel's enemy is Jason's mother, they could have written that better. Also, now we're just to assume that Lionel and Jason's mom are enemies for some reason and Lex would get involved in their mess by playing both Jason and his mom. It's a tall storyline they are heading into and it came from no where.

6)When the sandman guy finds Alicia didn't it seem like she knew him? She starts talking to him and then she says, "It was you (trying to kill people)." Again, out of the blue.

7)Man, I love Tom. But sometimes when I'm watching him do the tears thing and everything, it makes me uncomfortable because he can't act. He should save that kind of stuff until he's really good at it. I really don't need to see him fake cry. I'm always so aware then that he's acting when he all of a sudden goes from normal low key Keanu acting to yelling and weeping like a bad Mel Gibson scene.

I've got more but I feel horrible critiquing the show. I just like to watch it and space out. I wish they would get back to Clark and Lex though. Hello, you're supposed to be giving Lex another chance Clark. Chloe storyline with Clark is also good. Everything else just seems like padding.

Sorry :(

[GL-Corps#28]

Why yes it is.

You have a problem with that?

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/518.gif
No, I think it makes me like Alex Ross a little more.

You may not like me that much though, I would've taken Welling over Routh, but I wanted Caviezel more than anybody.

[RakuMon]

A couple points.

I like the twist with having Chloe know the secret while having Clark not know she knows. Very reminiscent of old Superboy comics in which Pete (who secretly discovered Clark was Superboy) would cover for Clark. Clark would just be completely oblivious that his best friend was helping him. Instead, he'd just assume it was luck or coincidence that Pete covered for him.

As far as Lois being out of character. I have to respectfully disagree. I loooooovvvveeeddd her in this episode. The crack at the beginning where she makes fun of Clark and Alicia dating after they marry wasn't meant to be hurtful. She was saying it to Chloe, but it was accidentally picked up by the mic. To me, it was a perfect awkward moment between Lois and Clark and very in character. I've already commented on how much I loved the fact that it was Lois who witnessed Clark's grief, and it was Lois who talked him out of killing sandboy. Really setting the spiritual connection the two will ultimately share.


I think the Lex/Teague family scenese were intentionally cryptic. We don't know what Lex is up to. Is he helping Genivieve or is he playing Jason, or both. I don;t think we can read to much into that yet. All we can do is hope the writers don't forget about that plotline. Also remember, it has been hinted in the past that the Teagues and the Luthors are rivals. They are, after all, two of the richest families in Metropolis. Just be grateful that they've seemingly dropped the Lex/Lana romance. Thank god for that.

The only gripe I had was the FotW. It was obvious from the opening scene that Tim was the bad guy. As soon as Lois pointed to him, I knew he'd be this week's villain. The only thing I thought the writers could've done better was to NOT reveal that the mysterious killer had different abilities from Alicia. As soon as we saw he moved via sand, it was obvious Alicia wasn't the perp. Sometimes dramatic irony works, but I thought, in this case, it may have been more effective if the audience suspected Alicia as much as the characters did.

All in all, though, it was a BRILLIANT episode.

I'm actually of two minds about Smallville now that the show seems to be hitting its stride. It's seriously getting better with each episode. Now, while that is a great thing, it's also melancholy in a way. One of the great appeals of the show is that you get to see Clark literally BECOME Superman with each passing week. But now that I know we will never actually SEE this Clark BECOME Superman, it kind of leaves a hole in my stomach. As if the show's a big 4- (hopefully 5-) year tease with no climax. I will be so deflated if the series finale blows my mind and then have to walk in to see Singerman. Nothing against that movie (seriously) but it won't be the ultimate culmination of five years of storytelling that SV has become.

Anyway, that's my rant.

[The Lizard]

No, but she clearly didn't expect him to grab her. She had a surprised look on her face.

Maybe, but if I walked up and found a guy stealing my stuff, and then I realized that this guy had tried to kill a couple people and blame it on me, I'd consider any sudden moves he made to NOT be in my best interest.

At the end of the day I realize the script demanded that Alicia had to die, but I maintain that Tim catching her so easily was sloppy writing and could have been handled much better.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hmm, I don't want to bring down the mood of the thread. Please stop reading here if you don't want to hear me ramble about bad writing, acting, etc.

1)I'll start with this. Everybody looked tired. Was that just me seeing that or maybe it was shot that way to make it seem spooky? Even Lana and especially Lois looked haggarded in her scene where she is trying to get Chloe to open up about what's bothering her. I know that certain sets in SMALLVILLE are shot to exaggerate the colors to tell you how Clark feels - for instance the farm and school are bright - but everything was drab. And all their emotional reactions were hostile.


Cant say I noticed that, though a lot of the scenes in the episode seemed to be happening at night (the opening, Clark catching the car, etc.) Maybe that was why? :confused:


2)Lois seemed out of character. When Lois says into the mic, "First you marry her, and then you date her" I just thought Lois seemed especially harsh. See Allison could actually pull a line like that off without seeming mean, because Allison usually turns Chloe's digs into self-depreciating comments. For example, in Heat when Clark is in jail, Chloe explains that Lex's wife gets her power from pheramones and she adds, "Fortunately Clark is immune to some members of the opposite sex." Hee. See, that was funny because Clark had just dumped her at the dance and you know Chloe's character is more talking about herself than trying to hurt Clark. I didn't understand Lois' motivations when she said that. She just came to town to visit. She's a busy body and she just comes off as a stuck up brat in this episode. Even when the dopey guy asked her for a date, she just looked like, "C'mon I'm too good for this."


See I didnt think that was out of character for Lois Lane at all. She's always opening up her mouth and saying stupid things at bad times. Thats how she always wound up in trouble so much. I think it was supposed to come across blunt and crude. She basically speaks first and thinks later. It seemed to me she just meant for Chloe to hear that but forgot she was holding a microphone. As for her being stuck up, I thoguht the reaction was normal. She really didnt seem interested in the guy, and most girls in college want nothing to do with guys in high school. Remember her character like Clark and Lex's isnt evolved fully into the ones we know from the comics anyway.


3)TW put some much energy and charisma in his performance in Unsafe, but in this episode he just seemed to be going through the motions. There was so much affection and charm with Alicia in Unsafe even before he is on RedK and in this episode Clark and Alicia mind as well be brother and sister. I can understand them being agitated because everyone thinks Alicia killed someone, but they also seemed blazee' about the whole thing. Alicia, when she teleported Chloe into the car was just like, "Hey watch this." When Alicia realized Clark didn't believe her, she was just like, "Ok, I'll go away now." This from a girl who cried her way thru last week?!! I was confused.


Totally gotta disagree with you there. I thought Welling ran the gamet of emotions in the final 15 minutes of the show and nailed each one of them. The sadness, anger, and then grieving/self-doubt scenes I thought were all really well done. Actually thought it was better than his performance in "Unsafe". I think his feelings toward Alicia were understandably quelled after the Red K last week. I thought he seemed appropriately cautious about her.


5)Lex shows up out of nowhere and seems forced into the episode. At first, when the scene opens in the mansion, I was seriously thinking, "Hey, what's this" and then I remembered Lex is in the series. Seriously, he's underused. And he said "My enemy's enemy" which annoyed me because Jason's mother is not his enemy. Nor is Jason his mother's enemy. If he meant Lionel's enemy is Jason's mother, they could have written that better. Also, now we're just to assume that Lionel and Jason's mom are enemies for some reason and Lex would get involved in their mess by playing both Jason and his mom. It's a tall storyline they are heading into and it came from no where.


This was really the 1st ep this year he hasnt had a bigger story. His scenes were more there to build things up for coming eps. They'll seem more poignant in the coming weeks. Thats the deal with a weekly show is it's almost impossible to judge every scene as some are meant only to build things, not to be clear right away. Realistically, he would've seemed forced into the episode if he had been into the plot more, especially since they had 5 or 6 other characters heavily involved.
I didnt get it all that Jason's Mom and Lionel were "enemies". I think Jason's Mom is a lot like Lionel in that she was using any leverage she had to get Lex to do something for her. Honestly, I think she's the one that got him out of prison to begin with. Then again, everyone seems to be enemies with Lionel, Understaneably so... Then Lex will of course work it to his advantage someway that will screw her over in turn. Basically I just think it's all too incomplete now to judge.


6)When the sandman guy finds Alicia didn't it seem like she knew him? She starts talking to him and then she says, "It was you (trying to kill people)." Again, out of the blue.


They went to the same high school and grew up in the same small town. I didnt find that, that unrealistic.


7)Man, I love Tom. But sometimes when I'm watching him do the tears thing and everything, it makes me uncomfortable because he can't act. He should save that kind of stuff until he's really good at it. I really don't need to see him fake cry. I'm always so aware then that he's acting when he all of a sudden goes from normal low key Keanu acting to yelling and weeping like a bad Mel Gibson scene.


Again I disagree. I thought his scenes of sadness and remorse were well played by him.

[triplet]

No, I think it makes me like Alex Ross a little more.

You may not like me that much though, I would've taken Welling over Routh, but I wanted Caviezel more than anybody.

LOL!

Sorry for being testy, but I've gotten a lot of flack over my sig and now I'm keeping mostly outta spite. Once I see just how "ginormous" Whathisname has gotten, I may change it.

But it was HWSNBN chief cheerleader and Prez of the BJR fanclub, IT is Batgirl, who said that he's looking huge. So I'll take that with a major grain of salt.

And I won't hold you wanting Cavs against you... ;)

My first choice was Welling, my second was a talented and accomplished unknown.

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/Sigh.gif

I guess you can't get everything! :D

[newbrando]

As far as Lois being out of character. I have to respectfully disagree. I loooooovvvveeeddd her in this episode. The crack at the beginning where she makes fun of Clark and Alicia dating after they marry wasn't meant to be hurtful. She was saying it to Chloe, but it was accidentally picked up by the mic.
Yeah but is it okay for Lois to make rude cracks about Clark behind his back? It just seems so unLois. Lois was always so self-absorbed. I don't think she would care who was dating who. That's sooo high school cheerleader trite. Also why did Lois point at that guy while she was singing her song and then act shocked and miffed that he would ask her out? Lois - back away from the high school boys. I'm losing respect.

I think the Lex/Teague family scenese were intentionally cryptic. We don't know what Lex is up to. Is he helping Genivieve or is he playing Jason, or both. I don;t think we can read to much into that yet. All we can do is hope the writers don't forget about that plotline.
Er, I kind of hope they drop that plotline. They haven't tied up the "who is Jason's mother and what does she want with Lana" plotline. To tie Lex AND Lionel into it is a bit much. Baby step, writers, baby steps.

Also remember, it has been hinted in the past that the Teagues and the Luthors are rivals.
When was this exactly? I'm sorry I missed it. Was it in Spell? Because I never saw that episode.

I agree with a lot of the other stuff you said though.

[newbrando]

a lot of the scenes in the episode seemed to be happening at night (the opening, Clark catching the car, etc.) Maybe that was why?
Maybe, but I’m also talking about how everyone looked kind of downy. I’ll have to go back and see what they were wearing. Also, they just looked like they had bags under their eyes. You know what, maybe I should watch the tape with my glasses on, that might help.

I thought Welling ran the gamet of emotions in the final 15 minutes of the show and nailed each one of them.
I think maybe this is what I have a problem with. I can understand him running the gamete of emotions in 15 minutes on a soap opera, but it just seemed forced and unnecessary in this script. I don’t think yelling, “Nooooo” is something that TW would do in every day life. Maybe that’s why he seemed uncomfortable and strange doing it.

Actually thought it was better than his performance in "Unsafe". I think his feelings toward Alicia were understandably quelled after the Red K last week. I thought he seemed appropriately cautious about her.
This is true. Although they were all crying and hugging each other at the end of Unsafe after the RedK incident.

This was really the 1st ep this year he hasnt had a bigger story.
No, not really. He wasn’t really in Unsafe either. He had 2 scenes in that with his father. He’s closed off from Clark’s storylines right now. That could be purposeful on the part of the writers but then they need to make it appear that what Lex is doing is still an integral part of SMALLVILLE. I mean, he could be living in Metropolis already for all we see of him.

Thats the deal with a weekly show is it's almost impossible to judge every scene as some are meant only to build things, not to be clear right away.
He has enough things to already clear away, but I’m afraid the writers have dropped those. Maybe this is a swift turn to the dark side. If it is, at least he’s going somewhere. If it’s not, he’s being shoehorned.

I didnt get it all that Jason's Mom and Lionel were "enemies".
I’m talking about the wording used by Lex. Jason asked Lex why Lex would want to work with him. Lex said, “Well, you know, my enemy’s enemy.” Playing on the saying, “Your enemy’s enemy is your friend.” It would have made sense if Lex said, “We’re the sons of two enemies” but otherwise, the saying didn’t fit there.

They went to the same high school and grew up in the same small town. I didnt find that, that unrealistic.
I think the Lizard articulated this better than I did. That scene was awkward. She walked up like, “Hey friend” meanwhile he was stealing her stuff.

Again I disagree. I thought his scenes of sadness and remorse were well played by him.
Yeah we just disagree on the acting. And I hate being hard on Tom because I think he’s great. But I do hope he gets better.

[Maelstrom]

I’m talking about the wording used by Lex. Jason asked Lex why Lex would want to work with him. Lex said, “Well, you know, my enemy’s enemy.” Playing on the saying, “Your enemy’s enemy is your friend.” It would have made sense if Lex said, “We’re the sons of two enemies” but otherwise, the saying didn’t fit there.

Honestly, i didn't getthat at all...I just thought it was obvious to Lex that Genevieve was trying in some way to manipulate him, and Lex HATES being manipulated...thus he considers Genevieve somebody to watch out for, hence his "enemy"....I didn't get the feeling that Lionel had much of anything to do with it.


As for the ep itself, I thought itwas good, but predicatable. My wife hates it when I do that, but as soon as I saw Alicia, I said, "they'll probably kill her off tonight"....check.

I also predeicted it would be Chloe that found out, but that she wouldn't tell anyone she knew, including Clark.

Not that that is a bad thing, as it's actually what I would do if I was writing it, but it was predictable.

The Tim Sandman villain was Sccoby-Doo predicatble, even worse...hey here's some guy we've never seen before everyone seems to know...guess he must be the FOTW.


The whole Jason thing is just annoying. It's really about time for him to do something hat really moves the plot in any way at all....


I enjoyed the episode, really, but it seems like this season is dragging, and very uncohesive...and after Season 3, that's a letdown.


I just hope Clark actually deals with Alicia's death, and doesn't just forget her after two episodes, her name never to be mentioned again.


I loved the Reeve tribute...personally I think the ultimate ending to this series would end Clark going to the Daily Planet, meeting up with Lois again there, etc, etc... until finally something terrible happens, and you see Clark dash out, rip open his shirt and display the 'S' emblem prominently ...freezeframe...zoom in until nothing but the 'S' appears on screen..classic Superman theme plays, fade to black, credits role..series over.

He doesn't even need to show up in the full outfit, just that would make the whole series worth it for me.

[Doobie88]

I loved every moment they showed a dumbfounded Chloe after she found out.

[Maelstrom]

Yeah, i'm just not sure if Chloe is more dumbfounded that Clark has powers, or that she didn't figure it out for herself...

she really should have had an "it all makes sense" moment similar to the one Lionel had when he was in Clark's body.

[Asr]

But can she do that kind of face and be convincing?

John Glover's acting > 10 * Allison Mack's :p

[AgentPat]

Once I see just how "ginormous" Whathisname has gotten, I may change it. But it was HWSNBN chief cheerleader and Prez of the BJR fanclub, IT is Batgirl, who said that he's looking huge. So I'll take that with a major grain of salt....http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hahaha.gif

[Pause]
[Stops breathing for a minute]
[Starts to turn blue]
[BUSTS OUT LAUGHING!!!]

Oh, that just made my day. Thanks, Trip. Too damn funny!

"Ginormous," huh? Hee! Righto. Okie dokey. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

[RakuMon]

I loved the Reeve tribute...personally I think the ultimate ending to this series would end Clark going to the Daily Planet, meeting up with Lois again there, etc, etc... until finally something terrible happens, and you see Clark dash out, rip open his shirt and display the 'S' emblem prominently ...freezeframe...zoom in until nothing but the 'S' appears on screen..classic Superman theme plays, fade to black, credits role..series over.

He doesn't even need to show up in the full outfit, just that would make the whole series worth it for me.
Ya know, it that's how they end Smallville...
I don't need to see Singerman AT ALL. That's it. That's Superman. Good Night!!! :D

[WallCrawl]

Maybe, but if I walked up and found a guy stealing my stuff, and then I realized that this guy had tried to kill a couple people and blame it on me, I'd consider any sudden moves he made to NOT be in my best interest.

At the end of the day I realize the script demanded that Alicia had to die, but I maintain that Tim catching her so easily was sloppy writing and could have been handled much better.

I feel the same way you do. I was really surprised that she didn't just teleport away, and I felt that she had enough time to do so. I had enough time to yell, "Oh come on! Teleport!" before she stopped struggling and went unconscious.

[AgentPat]

Ya know, it that's how they end Smallville...
I don't need to see Singerman AT ALL. That's it. That's Superman. Good Night!!! :D:up: :up: :up:

Hey, btw, regarding why Alicia didn't teleport out while she was being Chloroformed - She was being HELD. Remember, when she teleports, anything she's touching goes with her, so that wouldn't have helped the situation any. If she passed out in mid transport... well, you guys have seen enough transporter malfunctions on Star Trek, right? LOL

[RakuMon]

Smallville finally overtook NBC in the ratings!!!!!
If there was no American Idol, SV would actually place THIRD! How 'bout them apples, naysayers!

per K-site:

"Pariah" Overnight Ratings!

NBC's Top Model rip-off series fell below Smallville's ratings levels last night, although the hour was still dominated by American Idol.

Here's the overnight ratings breakdown:
Rank Show Network Overnight Rating (Last week's ranking in parentheses)
#1 American Idol FOX 17.9/26 (#1)
#2 Lost ABC 7.5/11 (R) (#2 (R))
#3 60 Minutes CBS 5.2/8 (#3)
#4 Smallville WB 4.4/6 (#5)
#5 SI Swimsuit Model Search NBC 3.5/5 (#4)
#6 Road to Stardom w/Missy Elliot UPN 1.8/3 (#6)

(R) denotes repeat airing

[The Incredible Hulk]

why do so many people watch American Idol? :confused: What am I missing? Lost, I can understand but AI is just pure pop crap. What is the attraction?
Oh well, good to see Smallville taking down one of the Big Nets shows... :up:

[AgentPat]

Smallville finally overtook NBC in the ratings!!!!!I just read the prelims. NBC led WB in households, but WB nailed 'em in total viewers. Six million, in fact. Not too shabby. :D

[triplet]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hahaha.gif

[Pause]
[Stops breathing for a minute]
[Starts to turn blue]
[BUSTS OUT LAUGHING!!!]

Oh, that just made my day. Thanks, Trip. Too damn funny!

"Ginormous," huh? Hee! Righto. Okie dokey. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

LOL!

BTW: Her word, not mine... pretty funny, though.

[triplet]

I just read the prelims. NBC led WB in households, but WB nailed 'em in total viewers. Six million, in fact. Not too shabby. :D

Excellent.

You know over on DTS they said it was number 5 still and it had gotten ratings only just above Unsafe...

WTF are they smokin' over there?

[The Incredible Hulk]

They were probably looking at households not in total viewers..

I have a question though, is this just from people with Nielsen boxes or do they measure people with digital cable boxes now too??

[AgentPat]

BTW: Her word, not mine... pretty funny, though.Even better. I'm adding it to the Lexicon as we speak. It should fit in quite nicely over in the Drool thread. *ahem* ;)

You know over on DTS they said it was number 5 still and it had gotten ratings only just above Unsafe...

WTF are they smokin' over there?It depends on which figures they're looking at. Ratings are just statistics, and statistics can be presented in all sorts of ways. What's important is how The WB uses them, and *they* are most likely looking at the share percentages in the 18-49 demos.

[RakuMon]

It's a major coup for a netlet like WB to take down one of the icons of network television. I mean it's NBC for god's sake! ABC, NBC and CBS are the granddaddys of 'em all. (Fox doesn't really count because it's relatively a new player in the networks.)

[triplet]

It's a major coup for a netlet like WB to take down one of the icons of network television. I mean it's NBC for god's sake! ABC, NBC and CBS are the granddaddys of 'em all. (Fox doesn't really count because it's relatively a new player in the networks.)

They must be pretty happy.

[newbrando]

Kryptonsite message boards had those numbers at first too. Later on someone posted that the more accurate number is 3.3. I think it's hard for them to get the ratings this week because in some markets, Smallville was showing against the presidential stuff on all the other networks. So that should have boasted Smallville's ratings big time because for people who didn't want to watch the president, they were most likely turning to Smallville. I don't know how they factor that in.

[Happenstance]

:up: :up: :up:

Hey, btw, regarding why Alicia didn't teleport out while she was being Chloroformed - She was being HELD. Remember, when she teleports, anything she's touching goes with her, so that wouldn't have helped the situation any. If she passed out in mid transport... well, you guys have seen enough transporter malfunctions on Star Trek, right? LOL


Actually what Alicia originally said was that she can take anything with her that she wants to, I know its still more likely that its anything shes touching but you never know

[Venom71]

His acting might be getting better but its still not great, and when I saw that scene it did remind me of the scene in Superman: The Movie.
Yep that scene reminded me of Superman:The Movie also. I almost thought he was gong to fly off and spin the world around and turn back time. ;)

[RakuMon]

Yep that scene reminded me of Superman:The Movie also. I almost thought he was gong to fly off and spin the world around and turn back time. ;)
:up: And I am sure you weren't the only one!

[Serene]

You still feel that way even after Lois' speech?

Yeah, I do. I thought Lois' speech was great in the context of Lois' future with Clark/Supes, but I don't like it applied to the situation with Chloe and Clark. In my mind, Chloe knowing about Clark and not telling him is essentially lying to him. Sure, he's lied for years about it, but he had his reasons. I don't see her reasons for not telling him that she knows.


I think Chloe will have some dilemas to deal with in what to do and when (or if) it's a good idea to let Clark know she knows, but I think her knowing finally has made her understand him better.

I think, this might be just my subjective take on the sitch, that I saw hints of what I was hoping for: that her knowing will finally allow her to give up on her unrequited love for him.

Especially given her taking down the Clark related Wall of Weird items and then her speech to him at Alicia's grave... I think she's ready to just be his friend.

I agree she has a much better understanding of not only him, but of all meteor freaks. I hope you're right about her being ready to be just his friend, that's the role I've always wanted Chloe to take. He needs that, and so does she.

[Serene]

I've got more but I feel horrible critiquing the show. I just like to watch it and space out. I wish they would get back to Clark and Lex though. Hello, you're supposed to be giving Lex another chance Clark. Chloe storyline with Clark is also good. Everything else just seems like padding.

Sorry :(


Aww... never apologize for having your own opinion. If we ran everyone out who had a different opinion, we'd be.. well, some *other* board. ;)

I do have to wonder if we watched the same ep though.
:D

[Serene]

2)Lois seemed out of character. When Lois says into the mic, "First you marry her, and then you date her" I just thought Lois seemed especially harsh.


Just a quick comment on this...
Lois is the quintessential smartass.. I thought that was a perfect line for her for her character to deliver. It's one of her most endearing qualities to deliver lines like that. Like someone else pointed otu though, she didn't exactly mean for that to go over a loudspeaker.

[Serene]

"Ginormous," huh? Hee! Righto. Okie dokey. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

I love that word.. it was used in a fairly recent movie.. "Dodgeball" maybe? We use it at work all the time. I'll spare you the details of how.

[triplet]

Aww... never apologize for having your own opinion. If we ran everyone out who had a different opinion, we'd be.. well, some *other* board. ;)

I do have to wonder if we watched the same ep though.
:D

LOL! Yeah, really!

Hey, you like my new avatar?

<-----

I did it from a screencap from Pariah...

He looks very supermanly in that cap, so I just had to use it.

[Swordmaster]

They killed Alicia off...
I knew they would, the bastards

[Serene]

I just read the prelims. NBC led WB in households, but WB nailed 'em in total viewers. Six million, in fact. Not too shabby. :D

WhooHoo! The more the merrier. :up: :)

[Serene]

Hey, you like my new avatar?

<-----

I did it from a screencap from Pariah...

He looks very supermanly in that cap, so I just had to use it.

I do! I meant to comment on it, and I'm proud to say that I figure it was from Pariah.

[triplet]

Yeah, I do. I thought Lois' speech was great in the context of Lois' future with Clark/Supes, but I don't like it applied to the situation with Chloe and Clark. In my mind, Chloe knowing about Clark and not telling him is essentially lying to him. Sure, he's lied for years about it, but he had his reasons. I don't see her reasons for not telling him that she knows.

Point taken. I guess we'll see what happens.




I agree she has a much better understanding of not only him, but of all meteor freaks. I hope you're right about her being ready to be just his friend, that's the role I've always wanted Chloe to take. He needs that, and so does she.

Yep. I totally agree.

[triplet]

I love that word.. it was used in a fairly recent movie.. "Dodgeball" maybe? We use it at work all the time. I'll spare you the details of how.


LOL! :D ;) :up:

[Superfreak]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! !!!

I thought that was kind of funny, pure cliche, couldn't help but giggling. Much better episode this week. Liked everything except the suddenly Alicia is dead kind of jump. Felt like something was missing there. Otherwise, quite a solid episode, high above the norm for smallville

[Super_Ludacris]

Am I the only one who screamed out "It was you!!!" when the bad guy in this episode came on? You know when they were wondering who attacked Lana?

[The Squirrel]

Good episode...was shocked when they killed Alicia....didn't enjoy the Sand-Man villian rip off though...can't wait to see where they go with Chloe knowing Clark's secret.

[Super_Ludacris]

Welling has stepped his acting game something serious

Still worried about Lana, even Jason has now become more interesting :(. That's like the Clippers or the Bulls surpassing your favourite NBA team in the standings

[The Batman]

Wow....


How Clark can be friends with anyone in that town is amazing...

[Lara]

I love that word.. it was used in a fairly recent movie.. "Dodgeball" maybe? We use it at work all the time. I'll spare you the details of how.
It was Elf he was in a publc restroom and said "These toliets are Ginormaus!" That movie is freak'n hysterical :D

[primemover]

I also have an issue with her being 'surprised' by sand-boy and not teleporting away, but I can chalk it up as her just being sloppy since she isn't a professional super-hero. She basically made a bone-headed movie and actual approached him, allowing him to gag her.

I think a more elegant solution is to have her still be wearing the bracelet at that moment where she sees him, he starts telling her he's looking for evidence to frame her, she realizes she is in danger, realizes she cannot teleport away, she starts to fiddle with her cuff area trying to get the bracelet off, he sees this, questions her, then chases her down and gags her.

One thing that keeps rolling around in my head though, is she doesn't seem to be an instant teleporter, ie there is a delay from when she dissapears to when she reappears. Maybe in between she is in this ethereal bodiless form, and maybe she actually escaped from her body before she died, meaning she might be floating around disembodied, which, this show being based on a comic book, could lead to a myriad of things.

Another thing that bugged me, but I hope recitifies itself in the coming episodes, is that Clark really didn't seem that worried or concerned that Alicia called him crying that she was in a runaway car and she needs saving, then when he gets there, the car is empty. He just seems to go, 'hrm, no biggie' and takes off. I would imagine he'd use his x-ray vision or something to look around to see if anybody was around, and he would have easily found Alicia and Chloe.

I hope he slowly starts to mull this over and puts two and two together and he himself, as a future reporter would do, figure out that Chloe knows his secret. He should be able to figure out Alicia set him up with that car stunt, their conversation earlier was just about him telling about his secret, which she left quite dissapointed. Also, I sense, as shown at the end of the episode with Chloe tearing down the wall of weird, that Chloe will change dramatically, which will be noticed by Clark. Then hopefully he will realise Alicia let Chloe in on his secret with the car stunt.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Prime I can almost picture the writers doing something like that with Alicia like she tried to teleport out but couldnt fully but herspirit or w/e is out there & she needs a new body that worries me for a future episode

[Dr Magneto Doom]

I just finished watching it at last.

It was on ok episode, you guys kind of gave me the idea that it was the best yet or something but I don't know... something about the pace of this episode sucked.

Does everyone in Smallville have a VERY bad case of short-term memory loss? She calls from the car crying and than after he catches the car and leaves everything is normal like it didn't happen... Also the Noooooooooooo everyone was hyping about was ok but damn you guys exaggerate too much comparing it to that of Christopher reeves in the movie. Tom Welling isn't and will never be a good actor, just like the whole Friends cast and many other TV stars.

I was also disappointed with the way they killed off Alicia, it just was too fast and felt like they wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible… Clark says how he loved her when he fights that dude… well when he was with her it never looked like he loved her, the guy was scared to even touch her, is Clark Kent gay or something? I don’t get it seriously, if that is love than damn.

I guess I shouldn’t criticize this too much after all it IS just a TV show but things like that can piss you off in the long run when you have been watching it for so long.

Now to the positive, it was still an enjoyable and much better than the last few episodes. The best bit was obviously him catching the car and Chloe finding out at last. I really can’t think of anything much else.

I realized though that there is hardly any Lex/Clark moments together anymore… que pasa? They used to be the best bits in series 1, 2 and 3 to me, ah well.

I'd give this episode a 3/5 probably, sorry for being fussy but I'm annoyed at some of the stuff they do sometimes.

[Serene]

It was Elf he was in a publc restroom and said "These toliets are Ginormaus!" That movie is freak'n hysterical :D

THAT was it! I saw both of those movies around the same time. Thanks, Lara. :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

I also have an issue with her being 'surprised' by sand-boy and not teleporting away, but I can chalk it up as her just being sloppy since she isn't a professional super-hero. She basically made a bone-headed movie and actual approached him, allowing him to gag her.

I think a more elegant solution is to have her still be wearing the bracelet at that moment where she sees him, he starts telling her he's looking for evidence to frame her, she realizes she is in danger, realizes she cannot teleport away, she starts to fiddle with her cuff area trying to get the bracelet off, he sees this, questions her, then chases her down and gags her.


Thats an excellent point, I was gonna bring this up earlier. That would've made her seem more "noble" and wouldve given Clark a MASSIVE guilt trip because he was the one who wanted her to wear it ,and it wouldve cost her her life....

[The Incredible Hulk]

e. Tom Welling isn't and will never be a good actor, just like the whole Friends cast and many other TV stars.



It's truely ashame that you already have that decided in your head ahead of time, the guy isnt Tom Hanks yet but he's leaps and bounds ahead of where he was in Season 1.

[Serene]

Thats an excellent point, I was gonna bring this up earlier. That would've made her seem more "noble" and wouldve given Clark a MASSIVE guilt trip because he was the one who wanted her to wear it ,and it wouldve cost her her life....

*ahem*.. I did bring that point up earlier.. post #116. ;)
The guilt would have been horrible for Clark if he had made her wear the bracelet again. I'm kind of glad they didn't go that way with it, that may have been laying the guillt on a leettle bit thick.

[Super_Ludacris]

I think this was one of Welling's best performances though, way better than his tear jerking mope last week.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

You know what, I think I was being a bit harsh yesterday. I just watched the episode again and it was a much better viewing, I suppose watching something at 3 am in the morning and 12 pm in the afternoon is a big difference lol I was probably just tired and moody. Tom Welling did pretty good, much better than his earlier acting as some of the people said. I think though it's obvious that the highlight of this episode is Chloe finding out and what she might do or will do with that information in the coming episodes.

[Bad Superman]

why do so many people watch American Idol? :confused: What am I missing? Lost, I can understand but AI is just pure pop crap. What is the attraction?
Oh well, good to see Smallville taking down one of the Big Nets shows... :up:

I watch it rarely for a few laughs. There are amazing cases of bad singing and performing it's really funny.

[Lara]

Thats an excellent point, I was gonna bring this up earlier. That would've made her seem more "noble" and wouldve given Clark a MASSIVE guilt trip because he was the one who wanted her to wear it ,and it wouldve cost her her life....
I think her embracing her power and demanding acceptance instead of hiding is one piece of his becoming Superman. I'm glad she stayed true to her convictions that they shouldn't have to hide. I think her putting on the bracelet would have taken away from her character and what she was trying to teach Clark.

[Superfreak]

Also the Noooooooooooo everyone was hyping about was ok but damn you guys exaggerate too much comparing it to that of Christopher reeves in the movie. Tom Welling isn't and will never be a good actor, just like the whole Friends cast and many other TV stars.




no kidding, that Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! scene should have been the first thing that was edited out of the episode. At least Welling is trying to act well

[RakuMon]

Tom Welling isn't and will never be a good actor, just like the whole Friends cast and many other TV stars.

It's truely ashame that you already have that decided in your head ahead of time, the guy isnt Tom Hanks yet but he's leaps and bounds ahead of where he was in Season 1.
And we all know how that TV star Tom "Bosom Buddies" Hanks' career turned out. Not to mention Denzel "St. Elsewhere" Washington, Leonardo "Growing Pains" DiCaprio, Ben "Ben Stiller Show" Stiller, Helen "Mad About You" Hunt, Bruce "Moonlighting" Willis, Will "Fresh Price" Smith, Johhny "21 Jump Street" Depp, Jamie "In Living Color" Foxx, etc. Yeah, none of those TV stars are movie stars.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

And we all know how that TV star Tom "Bosom Buddies" Hanks' career turned out. Not to mention Denzel "St. Elsewhere" Washington, Leonardo "Growing Pains" DiCaprio, Ben "Ben Stiller Show" Stiller, Helen "Mad About You" Hunt, Bruce "Moonlighting" Willis, Will "Fresh Price" Smith, Johhny "21 Jump Street" Depp, Jamie "In Living Color" Foxx, etc. Yeah, none of those TV stars are movie stars.

You missed the point, there is a difference between being a movie star and a good actor. Ben Affleck is a movie star, is he a good actor?

Tom Welling is what now, in his 30’s? Or nearly there? He still has no charisma, emotion or anything else in his acting. Trust me on this he’ll never be a ‘movie star’ or even a good actor. I’ll be the first to eat my words if he does but I think any hardcore movie fan can see that he can’t act for ****.

[The Incredible Hulk]

great, and again, here we go with the "hardcore fan" card as justification for an opinion. :rolleyes: Please, get over yourself.

[RakuMon]

You missed the point, there is a difference between being a movie star and a good actor. Ben Affleck is a movie star, is he a good actor?

Tom Welling is what now, in his 30’s? Or nearly there? He still has no charisma, emotion or anything else in his acting. Trust me on this he’ll never be a ‘movie star’ or even a good actor. I’ll be the first to eat my words if he does but I think any hardcore movie fan can see that he can’t act for ****.
The former tv stars I listed are not only movie stars but brilliant actors.
Tom Hanks and Denzel are 2-time Oscar winners, Helen Hunt has an Oscar and more Emmys than god, Leo, Jamie Foxx, Johnny Depp and Will Smith are Oscar-nominated actors. My point is quality acting is subjective. But it would be hard to argue that because someone's on TV, that negates their acting ability. I think some people who consider themselves "hardcore fans" probably enjoy Mr. Welling's acting.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

It still doesn't change the fact that he isn't a good actor (yet anyways), they can enjoy all they want but he hasn't shown any ability that he can pull off a movie as a leading role or be a big movie star like the ones you mentioned. I think it’s pointless sometimes to argue with people who can’t handle criticism over something/someone they like too so I’ll stop and let everyone get along with it (This wasn't directed at you lokmon) ;).

[The Incredible Hulk]

Perhaps people could "handle criticism" better if you gave actual reasons as to why disliked the guy so much, other than just stating that he's a "**** actor" or that "any hardcore movie fan can see he sucks"...Usually when you say to people "Well I'm not gonna argue with you, but if you had half a brain you could plainly see it" people arent going to respond all too well to you

[jas01724]

It still doesn't change the fact that he isn't a good actor ... he hasn't shown any ability that he can pull off a movie as a leading role or be a big movie star like the ones you mentioned.You're forgetting an important element: this is only your opinion. Plenty of people disagree with you. Your opinion is perfectly valid, but likewise different opinions are perfectly valid too.

So please, stop behaving as though you speak for everyone when, y'know, you don't.

[newbrando]

Aww... never apologize for having your own opinion. If we ran everyone out who had a different opinion, we'd be.. well, some *other* board. ;)

I do have to wonder if we watched the same ep though.
:D

Yeah! Thank you. I guess I am just experiencing shell shock from the "other" board.

I wish I would have "seen" the same show you did because it's still my favorite show and I love reading all the positive responses to the show anyway. And the NEW "What should be done about the Tom Welling factor" thread on the Supes Movie board made me giggle. So it's been a good week.

[AgentPat]

...And the NEW "What should be done about the Tom Welling factor" thread on the Supes Movie board made me giggle. So it's been a good week.Oh GAWD! You're kidding?

Must. Avoid. Supes'. Forum.
(I'll NEVER finish work today if I go there.)

[triplet]

Oh GAWD! You're kidding?

Must. Avoid. Supes'. Forum.
(I'll NEVER finish work today if I go there.)

I just went over there and I didn't see it...



What's the title of the thread, newbrando?

[newbrando]

I just went over there and I didn't see it...



What's the title of the thread, newbrando?
Oops sorry. It's the public perception on casting thread. Everyone agrees that we just must to something to get this TW out of people's heads. Brainwashing them with over promotion of the movie seems to be an option.

[triplet]

Oops sorry. It's the public perception on casting thread. Everyone agrees that we just must to something to get this TW out of people's heads. Brainwashing them with over promotion of the movie seems to be an option.

Oh, OK. I didn't really read that one.

It sounds like just another excuse to flame fest Welling fans...

[The Incredible Hulk]

that sad part for them is the public gets a "kick in the nuts" reinforcement of Welling's Superness on a weekly basis. The more he develops into Supes the bigger his shadow grows. I actually feel bad for HWSNBN, not only are his talents in question, but he's got an 800 lb gorilla in Reeve hanging over him, as well as a contemporary actor already playing most of his character that's been bought into by the public at a growing rate.

[Thunder Emperor]

You missed the point, there is a difference between being a movie star and a good actor. Ben Affleck is a movie star, is he a good actor?

Tom Welling is what now, in his 30’s? Or nearly there? He still has no charisma, emotion or anything else in his acting. Trust me on this he’ll never be a ‘movie star’ or even a good actor. I’ll be the first to eat my words if he does but I think any hardcore movie fan can see that he can’t act for ****.


what else has he done besides smallville , whihc requires he to be restrained in a certain acting mold for 4 seasons and counting. sheeez :D

[Mike_D]

Cheaper by the Dozen....I guess...LOL.

I'd still rather him play Superman. As far as I'm concerned, Routh is in the same boat as Welling with his career.

-Mike

[Super_Ludacris]

Look I was skeptical of Welling too, but dude was great on the last episode and not because of that "Nooooooooo!!!!" outburst.Like when he got angry. I was like Damn that's Supers after all!
The dude is doing great this year

[AgentPat]

Oops sorry. It's the public perception on casting thread. Everyone agrees that we just must to something to get this TW out of people's heads. Brainwashing them with over promotion of the movie seems to be an option.LMFAO!! Uhkay, I did see that thread. In fact, I think I posted in it. A snarky post, no doubt. LOL

(Still not going there today though - I've got a LOT of work to do, and I don't want to get frustrated. Or worse... pissed off. *sigh*)

[AgentPat]

Smallville finally overtook NBC in the ratings!!!!!And then some. HR and Reuters posted some updated Nielsen figures last night for Wednesday...

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - President Bush's state of the union speechifying was no match Wednesday for Fox's "American Idol."

The 8 p.m. sing-off led Fox to an easy victory, drawing 25 million viewers and a 10.4 rating/27 share in the adults 18-49 demographic, according to preliminary estimates from Nielsen Media Research.

"Idol" had no real competition to speak of, as ABC served up a rerun of "Lost" (10.1 million, 3.1/8), while CBS' "60 Minutes Wednesday" (6.8 million, 1.3/3) and NBC's "Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Model Search" (4.5 million, 1.6/4) scraped the Nielsen cellar.

WB beat CBS and NBC in the hour in adults 18-49, and topped NBC in viewers with a fresh episode of "Smallville" (4.8 million, 2.2/6). In East Coast and Midwestern markets, the rest of the night was taken up by Bush's address and follow-up news coverage. Preliminary estimates indicate only a modest turnout for the presidential address.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=7533573

[j-man]

i thought this episode was very bad. if chloe isn't saying anything to anyone (which by the way is awfully out of character) about clarks secret, then there is no point of her knowing to begin with. don't you guys find it strange that next episode clark is all happy again after his girlfriend died!!!???

[triplet]

i thought this episode was very bad. if chloe isn't saying anything to anyone (which by the way is awfully out of character) about clarks secret, then there is no point of her knowing to begin with. don't you guys find it strange that next episode clark is all happy again after his girlfriend died!!!???

Yeah, there is a point. She can be Clark's friend and finally get over her incessant mooning over Clark. It's time that they became just friends, something they both need.

As for Clark being happy in the next Ep, well I don't know about that since we haven't seen it yet. However I will also be unhappy if they do that because the standalone eps thing shouldn't go as far as having him losing Alicia not matter.

[HulkofSteel]

All very true. I'm uncomfortable with Chloe knowing the secret, but that'll make me want to watch even more. That makes her demise inevitable, even though it pretty much was before.

I hope they haven't forgotten about last week's episode already! I haven't.

:supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes:

[AshtonFoster]

From what I'm reading so far from you guys, it looks like this episode might be the turning point of what I’d call a mixed bag of crap and good season so far.

Will anyone be kind enough to PM me or post here if they find a torrent anytime soon so I can download? I live in the UK so I can't watch it other than that way. Thanks

I use overnet/edonkey to watch Smallville episodes from the US - Go to www.edonkey.com....download the free version of 'edonkey/overnet', then type in 'Smallville' in the 'search' bar once you've downloaded and installed the programme, and you'll see like every Smallville episode since the first season there in amazing TV-Rip quality. :) You can also find torrent files to download for the more recent episodes.
Should download really fast if you have a fast internet connection...

[Superman1980]

i enjoyed the episode and I'm glad that Chloe has found out Clarks secret. I've been a big fan of the Chloe character for a while now (it's just something about her that I love) I've read a few comments in this thread that it's totally out of character for Chloe to know his secret and not tell anyone but i thought her reaction was spot on. she was initially shocked as I'm sure most people would be but she was obviously playing over in her mind what to do about it. after speaking to Lois she's decided to be a very good friend and be supportive and hope that one day he finally tells her himself. the last scene with her in the grave yard with Clark was excellent and it really showed a warm loving side to Chloe.

[triplet]

i enjoyed the episode and I'm glad that Chloe has found out Clarks secret. I've been a big fan of the Chloe character for a while now (it's just something about her that I love) I've read a few comments in this thread that it's totally out of character for Chloe to know his secret and not tell anyone but i thought her reaction was spot on. she was initially shocked as I'm sure most people would be but she was obviously playing over in her mind what to do about it. after speaking to Lois she's decided to be a very good friend and be supportive and hope that one day he finally tells her himself. the last scene with her in the grave yard with Clark was excellent and it really showed a warm loving side to Chloe.

I totally agree. :up:

Chloe was great, although I think agree with what someone said about her scene in the Talon seeming a bit weird... it was.

She nailed it later in the Torch and graveyard scenes. I've always loved Chloe and I am very glad she knows now.

[The Lizard]

Clark was really broken up over Alicia's death last week, so do you think we'll see him all sad and depressed on tonight's new episode?

This was what the Smallville episode recapper over at www.televisionwithoutpity.com had to say about it...
Next week: The emotional fallout from [Alicia's] death continues to devastate Clark as he struggles to find meaning behind the choices he's made and the weight of the secret he keeps while the town mourns a person they horribly misjudged.....naw, just f---ing with you. It's about college football being awesome. Woohoo! Football makes everything better. Think I'll go watch the Super Bowl now.

[The Incredible Hulk]

thats pretty funny, I hope they just dont start with a clean slate this ep, I hope there's some carry over from the previous episode

[triplet]

Clark was really broken up over Alicia's death last week, so do you think we'll see him all sad and depressed on tonight's new episode?

This was what the Smallville episode recapper over at www.televisionwithoutpity.com (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/) had to say about it...

That's hilarious, but he's right: I hope they don't make it disappear.

I mean Pete left and he was his best friend since grade school and his leaving gets one mention in the next episode and that's it. Has he even been mentioned once since Covenant?

I don't think so...

Pretty sucky if they fail to show Clark still dealing with her death and his guilt over it.

[jas01724]

Last week's final ratings are in, and...

Smallville was The WB's highest rated show last week.

1. Smallville - 4.776 million viewers - 2.2/6 in Adults 18-49
2. Gilmore Girls - 4.677 million viewers - 2.2/6 in Adults 18-49
3. Everwood - 4.252 million viewers - 1.6/4 in Adults 18-49

[Lara]

Last week's final ratings are in, and...

Smallville was The WB's highest rated show last week.

1. Smallville - 4.776 million viewers - 2.2/6 in Adults 18-49
2. Gilmore Girls - 4.677 million viewers - 2.2/6 in Adults 18-49
3. Everwood - 4.252 million viewers - 1.6/4 in Adults 18-49
So to all the doomsdayers :rolleyes: :p

[LadyVader]

Clark is an idiot.
I don't expect that much of him except to look good, smile pretty and occasionally reveal a pec or two but seriously now: the writers are delulded if they expect me to believe that Clark wouldn't simply tell Alicia to TELEPORT out of the speeding car instead of catching it with his bear hands. I admit it was a good scene but come on now...

[Lara]

Clark is an idiot.
I don't expect that much of him except to look good, smile pretty and occasionally reveal a pec or two but seriously now: the writers are delulded if they expect me to believe that Clark wouldn't simply tell Alicia to TELEPORT out of the speeding car instead of catching it with his bear hands. I admit it was a good scene but come on now... He couldn't leave the car speeding like that so it could crash into innocent people!

[Super_Ludacris]

He couldn't leave the car speeding like that so it could crash into innocent people!


Yeah but.....it didn't look like anyone was around :o

but point taken

[triplet]

He couldn't leave the car speeding like that so it could crash into innocent people!

Yeah, I figured that's why she was calling... for him to stop the car so it wouldn't hurt anyone.

[AgentPat]

Yeah, I figured that's why she was calling... for him to stop the car so it wouldn't hurt anyone.http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pariah9.jpg


Bumping old threads is a fine art, doncha know? LOL

Didn't want to lose this one either.