How Do You Feel About Singer NOW Thread

[DIRECTOR]

With the casting of Kal Penn as lead henchman for Lex as well as all the other amazing cast of Jor-El, Lora, John, Zod, it looks like this will officially be Superman 3

Unlike Batman Begins, Superman Returns is starting to look like what a Superman 3 would have been if Donner directed it.

Are you happy with the way Singer is taking the franchise so far, as what they say "a continuation of the Superman series and Smallville combined?
Express your opinions.

**UPDATE**
all the cast above except Kal Penn's are debunked.

[Pickle-El]

This is why you fail.

[Obsidian]

We don't even know if this widescale casting is true.:o

[The Sage]

It can't be a Superman 3 considering the Kryptonian villains won't even be referenced or maybe not exist in this story. That alone kills this movie being a Superman 3 and more like using the first two films as vague history.

[krisboyuk]

I feel the same about Singer as I did when he was announced. He's f**kin awesome.

[DIRECTOR]

It can't be a Superman 3 considering the Kryptonian villains won't even be referenced or maybe not exist in this story. That alone kills this movie being a Superman 3 and more like using the first two films as vague history.

true, but they did say they will uses Supes 1 & 2, and start after that. So, is this like a Superman 3 film? Because 3 & 4 are forgettable. It's just that i see Singer picking crubs or Donner's vision and not using his own. Why o why is Penn (Kumar) casted as a Henchman, was Otis a henchman?

[The Sage]

true, but they did say they will uses Supes 1 & 2, and start after that. So, is this like a Superman 3 film? Because 3 & 4 are forgettable. It's just that i see Singer picking crubs or Donner's vision and not using his own. Why o why is Penn (Kumar) casted as a Henchman, was Otis a henchman?

No, it's like a Superman film that will incorporate some elements from the past two films into a vague history so an origin story won't have to be told.

[DIRECTOR]

No, it's like a Superman film that will incorporate some elements from the past two films into a vague history so an origin story won't have to be told.
i just hope so man

than again, i'm actually fine with the casting of all those characters, but Singer choosing to cast an Otis type of character is alittle ifffy. Singer isn't quite being orginal, especially getting his old buddies like Jean Grey to play birthmother to Kal-El

[pimpernel]

We can't say how this affects our view of Singer yet cos we don't know if its true.

[johnsonuk]

We can't say how this affects our view of Singer yet cos we don't know if its true.
:up: :up: :up:

[The Sage]

i just hope so man

than again, i'm actually fine with the casting of all those characters, but Singer choosing to cast an Otis type of character is alittle ifffy. Singer isn't quite being orginal, especially getting his old buddies like Jean Grey to play birthmother to Kal-El

Who said the guy was an Otis type? Singer doesn't seem like the type of person to do camp.

Next, that new scoop isn't confirmed. And Singer not original? How many directors have brought on actors that they've worked with? Did anyone moan about Keaton getting the Batman role because Burton worked with him previously in Beetlejuice? Or how about Raimi casting his brother as Jameson's assistant? Or about Raimi casting Campbell not only in the Hercules/Xena series, but in cameos in both Spider-Man films. Not to mention Scorese bringing on actors he's worked with for new movies, or even the same role. I swear Joe Pesci plays nearly the same character in both Goodfellas and Casino, and both films were directed by Scorese.

[Alonsovich]

No, it's like a Superman film that will incorporate some elements from the past two films into a vague history so an origin story won't have to be told.

I'm not entirely sure it's not an origin. I actually think Singer is doing a "pleasing everybody" film. Superman is out for 6 years and it could happen that Clark is also out for those 6 years thus when he returns he'd have to re-establish his relationship with all the characters and that could be seen like a semi-origin. But at the same time it's in a world where Superman already existed and that could make it as a kind of semi-sequel.

[screech_turbo]

i still don't know. a part of me is upset about him c**k-blocking x-3, but another part of me is happy that he got superman instead of mcg and abrams.

[superfever]

I feel the same about Singer as I did when he was announced. He's f**kin awesome.
what he said.

[KaptainKrypton]

what he said.
What they said.

[Zooks]

It can't be a Superman 3 considering the Kryptonian villains won't even be referenced or maybe not exist in this story. That alone kills this movie being a Superman 3 and more like using the first two films as vague history.
so... General Zod being the movie does not reference the kyptonian villains?

[IT is Batgirl]

General Zod's not in the movie.

[pimpernel]

General Zod's not in the movie.

Major Zod maybe? Lieutenant Zod? ;) :p

[zanos]

Singer lacks in many departments as a director. First of all he's not very good when it comes to casting actors for specific roles. Second, he doesn't know how to budget a film which is why alot of films tend to look low budget. Third, he doesn't have the vision or skills to direct a scifi fantasy/action film. It's simply not where his strengths lie as a director. Which is why he should really turn down future projects like this. You don't see John Carpenter stepping over to comedy do you?

[Invincible]

:supes: I still have fait is singer for now !

[hippie_hunter]

Maybe this film will be a restart but will be more like B'89 in terms of having an established Superman. If this is the case we can always have our orign film someday (wishful thinking I know). But if this is the way Singer is doing it, I'm all for it

[Pickle-El]

Singer lacks in many departments as a director. First of all he's not very good when it comes to casting actors for specific roles. Second, he doesn't know how to budget a film which is why alot of films tend to look low budget. Third, he doesn't have the vision or skills to direct a scifi fantasy/action film. It's simply not where his strengths lie as a director. Which is why he should really turn down future projects like this. You don't see John Carpenter stepping over to comedy do you?


Dude you are so full of it. All you do is post this same garbage in different ways.....get over yourself already.

[murp27]

I feel the same about Singer as I did when he was announced. He's f**kin awesome.

Seconded.

[The Sage]

Singer lacks in many departments as a director. First of all he's not very good when it comes to casting actors for specific roles. Second, he doesn't know how to budget a film which is why alot of films tend to look low budget. Third, he doesn't have the vision or skills to direct a scifi fantasy/action film. It's simply not where his strengths lie as a director. Which is why he should really turn down future projects like this. You don't see John Carpenter stepping over to comedy do you?

You know, as long as I've known on these boards, you've brought nothing but negativity. Can you say anything positive?

[StarvingArtist]

Dude you are so full of it. All you do is post this same garbage in different ways.....get over yourself already.

You know, as long as I've known on these boards, you've brought nothing but negativity. Can you say anything positive?

I third.

[Motown Marvel]

singer has never done me wrong....he's been one of my favorite directors for many many years...he's never been anything but amazing!

[Rage]

I don't get all the critisizim of Singer...especially about bringing in "his actors". Every director has actors who they love to use. M.N.S. has Bruce Willis and Jaqueim Pheonix...Paul Thomas Anderson has Phillip Seymor Hoffman and John C. Reilly...Martin Scorsese has Deniro and Pesci...EVERYONE DOES IT!!!

So Singer likes Famke and Marsden...it's not like they are playing Superman and Lois...they are playing bit parts in the film.

And...AND...if anyone is c0ckblocking anyone...it's "Fox-blocking" because Fox is attempting to stop Singer from using their X-men actors by pusing up production on paper to bind actors to a shooting schedule that will never happen!!

As for the rumour about Law, Lewis, Jannsen, Bacon and Pepper...it is just a rumour until it is confirmed...even if the source is reputable. We know that Famke is signed for X-3 and we know that Fox doesn't want their actors to do the Superman movie...so I would take this one with a grain of salt.

Rage

[Bad Superman]

. . .Are you happy with the way Singer is taking the franchise so far, as what they say "a continuation of the Superman series and Smallville combined?
Express your opinions.

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[DIRECTOR]

i would be panicing as well. I mean, i want to trust Singer, but, i wish he would do what Batman Begins is doing, a fresh restart, a new franchise, why mess with Reeve's legacy?

[The Sage]

I'm not understanding how using some of the elements from the first two films is messing with Reeve's legacy....

Does anyone feel Nolan's messing with the Burton legacy by using a costume that's similar to the past Batman films?

[Sverdlovski]

Oct. 1, 2004
Washington Square News, New York

Those who closely follow Singer's career have been by and large surprised that the director has opted out of making a third "X-Men" film.

"There was a lot of pressure to do the new 'X-Men' movie," he said, "but that negotiation was taking forever, and then suddenly the director on the J.J. Abrams version of 'Superman' fell out. And I had expressed interest in doing 'Superman' a number of times.

"But I wanted to do my own version. I didn't want to do that script. I had been offered it a year and a half ago and passed on it ... It [was] revisionist, it tells the same story we've seen in 'Smallville.'

"But then when that opportunity came, we all kinda sat down together - Dan, Mike, myself and our production designer, we're all friends - we all sat down together when we got back from Hawaii, and we sort of mapped out the story."

And how is that elusive script, by the way?

"The script is... astonishing! Right?" Singer turned to his faithful writers and received a double nod. "We toured the Daily News the other day," he added excitedly. "[A lot of] 'Superman' takes place at the Daily Planet, so we wanted to see that."

Such research seems relatively light compared to the work at hand Down Under.

"The plan now is to rent an 8- to10-acre piece of land in Sydney and build the first free-standing back lot in the continent," Singer said. "And probably the largest in the world."

It is not a job to be taken lightly. Singer knows that it is an unquestionable burden to be responsible for the future of Superman.

"I almost had [a panic attack] when I pitched 'Superman' to [producer] Alan Horn," he admitted. "I knew it would happen. I knew Alan liked the pitch ... he said they were going to throw out fifty million dollars from previous expenses. Eleven years of development. I felt it. That they were going to throw it all out.

"I said, 'I want to do 'Superman'...and he just goes, 'Oh. What's your story?' And I just told it... And then he said, 'All right. You want to stay and watch 'King Arthur' at my house with my kids?' And I said, 'No,' because I was about to puke and pass out."

Much of the resonance in the first "Superman" film stemmed from the subtle elements of its design. Singer, a fan himself of the Donner film, recognizes that certain aspects must be preserved in this newest addition. He plans to extract parts of the original score, and the costume will need no major revamping.

Then there's the story. Unlike the variety of mutants in Singer's "X-Men" films, there is nothing particularly outstanding about Superman's physical appearance. The hero has succeeded as a character when he is placed within a believable world, so that his personal conflicts provide a backdrop to his broader motivations.

Singer believes he has the balance between story and effects down pat.

"I have a really terrific collaborative relationship with Dan and Mike," he said. "I'm very involved in the development of the script. To me, that's a priority. That is always is a priority, even when I get into a production meeting ... I'm always altering story and always trying to accommodate the story and make sure that the story, above all, is maintained.

"You can have all the spectacle and cool effects that you want. If the story sucks ... I won't name the movies, but you know these movies. People don't respond, don't care. That's why 'Star Wars' was so great."


BELIEVE :supes: :up: :up:

[Bad Superman]

i would be panicing as well. I mean, i want to trust Singer, but, i wish he would do what Batman Begins is doing, a fresh restart, a new franchise, why mess with Reeve's legacy?

That's exactly the way I feel. With the film's current direction, with what could be deduced, Singer has little to gain and much to lose.

[DIRECTOR]

I'm not understanding how using some of the elements from the first two films is messing with Reeve's legacy....

Does anyone feel Nolan's messing with the Burton legacy by using a costume that's similar to the past Batman films?

costume and elements from previous films (Zod for example) is what will mess with Legacy. Isn't Brandon Routh stepping in Reeve's shoes and filling in literally, since they are starting where they left off.

[The Sage]

costume and elements from previous films (Zod for example) is what will mess with Legacy. Isn't Brandon Routh stepping in Reeve's shoes and filling in literally, since they are starting where they left off.

I don't know if they're starting where the past films left off, considering that A) Lex will probably be a businessman, B) according to Batgirl, the Kryptonian criminals won't be referenced, which could mean they don't exist in this story. Sounds like a "vague history" to me.

And the costume, that's something that just can't be stopped. It's Superman's costume, the design stays the same.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I feel he is doing a 50/50 job his casting could be much better then what it is.

[Alonsovich]

Oct. 1, 2004
Washington Square News, New York

Those who closely follow Singer's career have been by and large surprised that the director has opted out of making a third "X-Men" film.

"There was a lot of pressure to do the new 'X-Men' movie," he said, "but that negotiation was taking forever, and then suddenly the director on the J.J. Abrams version of 'Superman' fell out. And I had expressed interest in doing 'Superman' a number of times.

"But I wanted to do my own version. I didn't want to do that script. I had been offered it a year and a half ago and passed on it ... It [was] revisionist, it tells the same story we've seen in 'Smallville.'

"But then when that opportunity came, we all kinda sat down together - Dan, Mike, myself and our production designer, we're all friends - we all sat down together when we got back from Hawaii, and we sort of mapped out the story."

And how is that elusive script, by the way?

"The script is... astonishing! Right?" Singer turned to his faithful writers and received a double nod. "We toured the Daily News the other day," he added excitedly. "[A lot of] 'Superman' takes place at the Daily Planet, so we wanted to see that."

Such research seems relatively light compared to the work at hand Down Under.

"The plan now is to rent an 8- to10-acre piece of land in Sydney and build the first free-standing back lot in the continent," Singer said. "And probably the largest in the world."

It is not a job to be taken lightly. Singer knows that it is an unquestionable burden to be responsible for the future of Superman.

"I almost had [a panic attack] when I pitched 'Superman' to [producer] Alan Horn," he admitted. "I knew it would happen. I knew Alan liked the pitch ... he said they were going to throw out fifty million dollars from previous expenses. Eleven years of development. I felt it. That they were going to throw it all out.

"I said, 'I want to do 'Superman'...and he just goes, 'Oh. What's your story?' And I just told it... And then he said, 'All right. You want to stay and watch 'King Arthur' at my house with my kids?' And I said, 'No,' because I was about to puke and pass out."

Much of the resonance in the first "Superman" film stemmed from the subtle elements of its design. Singer, a fan himself of the Donner film, recognizes that certain aspects must be preserved in this newest addition. He plans to extract parts of the original score, and the costume will need no major revamping.

Then there's the story. Unlike the variety of mutants in Singer's "X-Men" films, there is nothing particularly outstanding about Superman's physical appearance. The hero has succeeded as a character when he is placed within a believable world, so that his personal conflicts provide a backdrop to his broader motivations.

Singer believes he has the balance between story and effects down pat.

"I have a really terrific collaborative relationship with Dan and Mike," he said. "I'm very involved in the development of the script. To me, that's a priority. That is always is a priority, even when I get into a production meeting ... I'm always altering story and always trying to accommodate the story and make sure that the story, above all, is maintained.

"You can have all the spectacle and cool effects that you want. If the story sucks ... I won't name the movies, but you know these movies. People don't respond, don't care. That's why 'Star Wars' was so great."


BELIEVE :supes: :up: :up:

No... still not. I don't find any sense to do a vague sequel to a movie of 1981. That was already done in 1983 with Richard Pryor... and the casting, with the exception of Spacey and giving Routh the benefit of the doubt, is VERY disappointing... literally BB's cast pisses all over SR's cast right now... :o

[Ultimate_Superman]

I mean to me after Supes and Lex his casting sucks I mean come on this guy is suppose to be one of Lex's bad guys
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[Comikaze]

The only thing I'm glad about is that the WB is serious about their superhero films again. Daniel Day Lewis? Spacey? Kevin Bacon? These are few of the best character actors working in hollywerid today and the fact that they are in this film gives me hope that were gonna have a very good movie coming up.

The question is that if two of the main characters in Xmen are in this film where does that leave X3?

[Alonsovich]

The only thing I'm glad about is that the WB is serious about their superhero films again. Daniel Day Lewis? Spacey? Kevin Bacon? These are few of the best character actors working in hollywerid today and the fact that they are in this film gives me hope that were gonna have a very good movie coming up.

The question is that if two of the main characters in Xmen are in this film where does that leave X3?

DDL and Kevin Bacon are just a rumor. The only sure one is Spacey.

[The Sage]

SHH debunked that rumor with DDL last night.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/5995/legal015my.jpg

Which path would you take,
and
Why?

[Flyboy]

im gonna wait til the movie comes out...because truefully we're not going to have any idea how this movie will be until it actually does come out...so the best thing to do is just wait before passing judgement on any part of this movie

[Wolverine_05]

I think except for Spacey as Luthor, he's miscast this whole movie IMHO.

[Jesster32388]

im gonna wait til the movie comes out...because truefully we're not going to have any idea how this movie will be until it actually does come out...so the best thing to do is just wait before passing judgement on any part of this movie

I agree.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

im gonna wait til the movie comes out...because truefully we're not going to have any idea how this movie will be until it actually does come out...so the best thing to do is just wait before passing judgement on any part of this movie

agreed

[Bad Superman]

I will go into exile ;)

[Sverdlovski]

No... still not. I don't find any sense to do a vague sequel to a movie of 1981. That was already done in 1983 with Richard Pryor... and the casting, with the exception of Spacey and giving Routh the benefit of the doubt, is VERY disappointing... literally BB's cast pisses all over SR's cast right now... :o

WTF??!!!!!? I find incredible funny that people choose to believe in 'insiders' rather than the people that are making this movie.

IT WILL NOT BE A SEQUEL!!!!! IT WILL NOT BE SUPERMAN 3!!!!!!!

It will be a return-kind of story, when Superman is already established in Metropolis, left and has now returned. Bryan Singer himself said this multiple times.

It'll not be another origin story, a remake of STM or whatever... it's a NEW story, yet faithful to the character... Jeff Robinov said it.

It's not a 're-invention' like McG's, Burton's or Ratner's version... it's a true Superman story, with a Superman feel to it...

[The Incredible Hulk]

Is "Critisizing" like Super-sizing?? :confused:

[The Sage]

Choose your destiny?

For some reason I hear the Mortal Kombat music...

[hellblazer88]

I follow singer blindly. :supes: hurray my first post

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am at the cross roads because I feel Singer has dropped the ball with his casting.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Choose your destiny?

For some reason I hear the Mortal Kombat music...

we can have that arranged...
[not at the moment though]

[Pksoze]

I mean to me after Supes and Lex his casting sucks I mean come on this guy is suppose to be one of Lex's bad guys
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Funny pic, but you know maybe the guy can be versatile, it does happen.

Remember before Batman Michael Keaton was friggin Mr. Mom.

[johnsonuk]

I mean to me after Supes and Lex his casting sucks I mean come on this guy is suppose to be one of Lex's bad guys
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if he is a good actor then he will be able to play a villain.truth is we don't know who exactly he is playing.What type of characture he is.i mean could a quiet welshman known for playing a butler or a vet ever be a decent nasty piece of work?









anthony hopkins.and no i am not comparing the two,he is just an example of what is possible

[Ultimate_Superman]

Funny pic, but you know maybe the guy can be versatile, it does happen.

Remember before Batman Michael Keaton was friggin Mr. Mom. But he still made it look serious at the same time. With him all I can see is that picture or him riding some white horse through the woods with a goofy smile on his face or him sliding off some chicks back through a window.

[muscles]

I really think I am on the fence, I am being supported and will see the movie on the first day, however I am trying to reserve my judgement till after I see the movie. I might say best movie in the world and have chill bumps after I see it, or I might be like GOD I rather have seen Waxworks with zach gallagan rereleased in theaters LOL.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

i agree on some of the flaws in singer's casting for Superman Returns... but for X2 and X-Men... he was spot on...

maybe we can make a vague assumption on the weight of his choices for SR when we actually get a glimpse of Routh in costume... and a couple of pics each, of all the characters of the movie...
better yet... the teaser or the trailer!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Halle Berry was terrible as Storm IMO, she seemed to think she was so above the part that it showed in the way she seemed to go through the motions. Was also never really crazy about Marsden as Cyclops but he was a last minute fill in so it's forgiveable. Didnt like the fact he made Rogue a teenager either.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Halle Berry was terrible as Storm IMO, she seemed to think she was so above the part that it showed in the way she seemed to go through the motions. Was also never really crazy about Marsden as Cyclops but he was a last minute fill in so it's forgiveable. Didnt like the fact he made Rogue a teenager either.

so... which path are u taking?

[The Incredible Hulk]

so... which path are u taking?

I'm still at "Wait and see", though outside of Spacey I feel the casting is lacking, and I wanted a total restart of the franchise instead of some vague pseudo continuation of Superman II. I'm being critical of what we know, and trying not to make assumptions about things we dont...

[triplet]

I'm still at "Wait and see", though outside of Spacey I feel the casting is lacking, and I wanted a total restart of the franchise instead of some vague pseudo continuation of Superman II. I'm being critical of what we know, and trying not to make assumptions about things we dont...

:up:

An origin is also what I woulda preferred...

[Venom71]

In Singer I Trust! :cool:

[Sverdlovski]

I'd rather have something true to the character and at the same time new like Bryan Singer is planning to do than a complete restart, another origin story, like Burton and McG/Ratner were planning to do... :o

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Is "Critisizing" like Super-sizing?? :confused:
not by a long shot

[That-Guy]

I'm going to wait until the movie comes out. Although I really like Singer, he has made some slight casting errors before (Halle Berry as Storm... I don't know about the rest of you, but I thought she totally blew, James Marsden as Cyclops... too young and very little stage presence); but on the other hand, some of his casting choices have been AWESOME (Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, Ian McKellan as Magneto).

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

i guess the guy with the horrible casting spree is Joel Shumacher... remember the batman movies?

[Bad Superman]

i guess the guy with the horrible casting spree is Joel Shumacher... remember the batman movies?

I think the Batman movies casting was good with the exception of George Clooney. As for the rest, I think they did a great job.

[The Singularity]

Is "Critisizing" like Super-sizing?? :confused:

Only difference is you don't get extra fries...

[Dark Knight]

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Which path would you take,
and
Why?


I choose to criticize Singer until he actually casts a big name star that is not over 55 years old as Jor-El.....and until someone gets a script review of the 1st draft.

[Dark Knight]

i do agree with others here...that the casting has been lacking and is average at best....besides Spacey. That why i think another big time star is needed for the role of Jor-El. Much like what Brando did for the original film.

[King Krypton]

How do I feel? I feel the fans are such egotistical, selfish crybabies that nothing Singer does will get a fair shake.

I don't get the fans at all. Turn Batman into atwo-time ex-con who only learns killing is wrong after being chewed out by his latetst disposable girlfriend and turn Ra's Al Ghul into a stock crazy tree-hugger with a stupid master plan and a dual identity that makes no sense whatsoever, and can be easily killed in a train wreck, and you're a creative genius beyond reproach. Write a script where Krypton doesn't explode and Lex Luthor is Kryptonian in some way or another, and you're praised to the skies for being inventive and not being tied to the mythology. But use the Reeve movies as backstory and tweak the costume with a new belt buckle and a two-sided cape? You're the Antichrist because you didn't rehash the origin in nauseating detail or you didn't convert Smallville into a movie. I can't for the life of me understand this. Fans will gladly celebrate and support stuff that takes a pickaxe to these characters and changes them for the worse, but tiny tweaks that don't hurt anything at all and using a time-tested version of the characters as a starting point bring out the torches and pitchforks. Am I the only one who doesn't get this mentality of "worship trash, but tear down anything that might actually be respectful"?

This kind of attitude is the real danger this movie faces now. The fans can't be trusted, and I am deeply ashamed to admit that I'm a part of the comic book fandom. :mad:

[Lobo]

im gonna wait til the movie comes out...because truefully we're not going to have any idea how this movie will be until it actually does come out...so the best thing to do is just wait before passing judgement on any part of this movie

agreed

[DIRECTOR]

From what i see, Christopher Nolan is doing everything right thus far, from Casting to villians to story (restart)

singer is giving us doubts, especially with the casting of Kal Penn, like....what is that about, now he is "superman's best friend"????????????????? what is he going to be, Superman's OTIS???

[Bad Superman]

How do I feel? I feel the fans are such egotistical, selfish crybabies that nothing Singer does will get a fair shake.

I don't get the fans at all. Turn Batman into atwo-time ex-con who only learns killing is wrong after being chewed out by his latetst disposable girlfriend and turn Ra's Al Ghul into a stock crazy tree-hugger with a stupid master plan and a dual identity that makes no sense whatsoever, and can be easily killed in a train wreck, and you're a creative genius beyond reproach. Write a script where Krypton doesn't explode and Lex Luthor is Kryptonian in some way or another, and you're praised to the skies for being inventive and not being tied to the mythology. But use the Reeve movies as backstory and tweak the costume with a new belt buckle and a two-sided cape? You're the Antichrist because you didn't rehash the origin in nauseating detail or you didn't convert Smallville into a movie. I can't for the life of me understand this. Fans will gladly celebrate and support stuff that takes a pickaxe to these characters and changes them for the worse, but tiny tweaks that don't hurt anything at all and using a time-tested version of the characters as a starting point bring out the torches and pitchforks. Am I the only one who doesn't get this mentality of "worship trash, but tear down anything that might actually be respectful"?

This kind of attitude is the real danger this movie faces now. The fans can't be trusted, and I am deeply ashamed to admit that I'm a part of the comic book fandom. :mad:

YEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

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[batman44]

I believe Singer will do justice to the film, I have faith in him. This is sort like his dream project, why would he fail?

[muscles]

Do you guys think Singer even knows about us all on this website and some of the criticism he gets. I wonder if he has an allias name on here.

[Dark Knight]

This is why you fail.


LOL.....good one.... :joker:

[BH/HHH]

I'm gonna wait and see it before I critcize anything.

[StarvingArtist]

How do I feel? I feel the fans are such egotistical, selfish crybabies that nothing Singer does will get a fair shake.

I don't get the fans at all. Turn Batman into atwo-time ex-con who only learns killing is wrong after being chewed out by his latetst disposable girlfriend and turn Ra's Al Ghul into a stock crazy tree-hugger with a stupid master plan and a dual identity that makes no sense whatsoever, and can be easily killed in a train wreck, and you're a creative genius beyond reproach. Write a script where Krypton doesn't explode and Lex Luthor is Kryptonian in some way or another, and you're praised to the skies for being inventive and not being tied to the mythology. But use the Reeve movies as backstory and tweak the costume with a new belt buckle and a two-sided cape? You're the Antichrist because you didn't rehash the origin in nauseating detail or you didn't convert Smallville into a movie. I can't for the life of me understand this. Fans will gladly celebrate and support stuff that takes a pickaxe to these characters and changes them for the worse, but tiny tweaks that don't hurt anything at all and using a time-tested version of the characters as a starting point bring out the torches and pitchforks. Am I the only one who doesn't get this mentality of "worship trash, but tear down anything that might actually be respectful"?

This kind of attitude is the real danger this movie faces now. The fans can't be trusted, and I am deeply ashamed to admit that I'm a part of the comic book fandom. :mad:

Who the hell thought making Luthor Kryptonian and having Krypton not explode was a good idea?

[Pickle-El]

From what i see, Christopher Nolan is doing everything right thus far, from Casting to villians to story (restart)

singer is giving us doubts, especially with the casting of Kal Penn, like....what is that about, now he is "superman's best friend"????????????????? what is he going to be, Superman's OTIS???


That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.

[Sverdlovski]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.

Wow, owned. :up:

[Sam]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.


YEAH! Amazing! :)
I think this gonna be my signature from now on!!

Agree 100%!

[Zooks]

many actors don't want to be in these types of movies because people will typecast them. what happens when an actor like kal penn joins the movie? he gets typecasted for a previous role. bravo. it's like if tom hanks was casted in Batman89 for a role. everyone would be making stupid references to Dragnet, Bachelor Party, and the Burbs, doubting his ability to do a serious role.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

......another big time star is needed for the role of Jor-El. Much like what Brando did for the original film.

thats logical enough... but u gotta understand... casting big names does not always elevate movie quality... the script, music and direction are the most vital elements here... plus... Jor El has a minor role in the movie, as far as the speculation goes

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.:eek::eek: OWned

[Superman]

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/5995/legal015my.jpg

Which path would you take,
and
Why?Merging...

[Alonsovich]

WTF??!!!!!? I find incredible funny that people choose to believe in 'insiders' rather than the people that are making this movie.

IT WILL NOT BE A SEQUEL!!!!! IT WILL NOT BE SUPERMAN 3!!!!!!!

It will be a return-kind of story, when Superman is already established in Metropolis, left and has now returned. Bryan Singer himself said this multiple times.

It'll not be another origin story, a remake of STM or whatever... it's a NEW story, yet faithful to the character... Jeff Robinov said it.

It's not a 're-invention' like McG's, Burton's or Ratner's version... it's a true Superman story, with a Superman feel to it...

WTF? I find incredible that you believe a director that's just hyping his own movie and trying to make publicity. I'll judge it for the facts, not for some crap thrown to the wall in a local radio interview. Since you like Singer so much we'll take his quotes.

"No, this is not an origin story. It actually puts the origin, the earlier films into a kind of, uh, the best way I can describe it is “vague history."

How will this not be a vague sequel? Then WHY THE HELL DOES HE TAKE THE TWO FIRST TWO MOVIES AS A BASE??? CARE TO EXPLAIN??? As far as I remember Superman III was also a vague sequel as this one: no mention of Jor-El, no kryptonian villains, a character that resembled the buisnessman Lex... how is that original? Care to explain me how it is original? Because last I checked Superman II was also a "vague history" to Superman I & II.

How do you compare Routh, Laurie, Penn to Neeson, Oldman, Bale... I'm sorry to say that if we've waited 25 years since a Superman movie (note: I consider III and IV as mere BS) just to get a "vague history" with a mediocre to awfully bad cast... I'll be the first one to just DL this from BitTorrent just for WB and Singer NOT getting my friggin' money.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.

very good points.

Bravo! :up:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

WTF? I find incredible that you believe a director that's just hyping his own movie and trying to make publicity. I'll judge it for the facts, not for some crap thrown to the wall in a local radio interview. Since you like Singer so much we'll take his quotes.



How will this not be a vague sequel? Then WHY THE HELL DOES HE TAKE THE TWO FIRST TWO MOVIES AS A BASE??? CARE TO EXPLAIN??? As far as I remember Superman III was also a vague sequel as this one: no mention of Jor-El, no kryptonian villains, a character that resembled the buisnessman Lex... how is that original? Care to explain me how it is original? Because last I checked Superman II was also a "vague history" to Superman I & II.

How do you compare Routh, Laurie, Penn to Neeson, Oldman, Bale... I'm sorry to say that if we've waited 25 years since a Superman movie (note: I consider III and IV as mere BS) just to get a "vague history" with a mediocre to awfully bad cast... I'll be the first one to just DL this from BitTorrent just for WB and Singer NOT getting my friggin' money.

so... i guess ur keeping an open mind :rolleyes:

[Alonsovich]

so... i guess ur keeping an open mind :rolleyes:

I've already been 21 years with an open mind with Superman and I've never got anything more that CRAP. You know... it gets a little tiring.

[Alonsovich]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.

Let me see... Michael Mann, Chris Columbus... yep, better suited for this movie than Singer (a guy that has only done dark stuff... I must say none of his previous work demonstrates he can do Superman. He got hired only because he had done X-Men unfortunately...). David Franzoni, John Logan, Lawrence Kasdan... yep better suited that Dougherty and Harris...

[Sverdlovski]

WTF? I find incredible that you believe a director that's just hyping his own movie and trying to make publicity. I'll judge it for the facts, not for some crap thrown to the wall in a local radio interview. Since you like Singer so much we'll take his quotes.

How will this not be a vague sequel? Then WHY THE HELL DOES HE TAKE THE TWO FIRST TWO MOVIES AS A BASE??? CARE TO EXPLAIN??? As far as I remember Superman III was also a vague sequel as this one: no mention of Jor-El, no kryptonian villains, a character that resembled the buisnessman Lex... how is that original? Care to explain me how it is original? Because last I checked Superman II was also a "vague history" to Superman I & II.

How do you compare Routh, Laurie, Penn to Neeson, Oldman, Bale... I'm sorry to say that if we've waited 25 years since a Superman movie (note: I consider III and IV as mere BS) just to get a "vague history" with a mediocre to awfully bad cast... I'll be the first one to just DL this from BitTorrent just for WB and Singer NOT getting my friggin' money.


BWHAHAHA.. where's that Joker picture?

[Alonsovich]

BWHAHAHA.. where's that Joker picture?

Yeah... it's sooooooooooooooooo great to be 20 years through a lot of crap to only get a sequel of a movie that was made 25 years ago... wow....:rolleyes:

[Sverdlovski]

Yeah, and once again you choose to believe in 'insiders' reports than what Singer, Harris, Spacey etc have said...

[Alonsovich]

Yeah, and once again you choose to believe in 'insiders' reports than what Singer, Harris, Spacey etc have said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You crack me up. I based my posts on a quote by Singer dude. Look up... :rolleyes:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

dear god people... if Chris Reeves (god bless his soul) were alive today... he'd be running his wheel chair over you right about now...

just wait for some kind of indication... like a trailer... an official picture even, before making rash judgements!

PLEASE!

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I've already been 21 years with an open mind with Superman and I've never got anything more that CRAP. You know... it gets a little tiring.

yup... kinda see ur point there... i went through the same thing with Raimi when Spidey 1 came out... i was soo soo pissed at Raimi for picking Kirsten Dunst as MJ and T Maguire as Peter Parker... the only stuff i was happy abt was Willem Dafoe and the casting of Harry...

i *****ed abt that stuff too... but look what happened... Spider-Man became an international blockbuster!

i think Singer should be given a chance... as Sam Raimi was with Spider-Man

[Sverdlovski]

First, your quote is wrong. Second, this is not a sequel, it's just not an origin story.

This is what Bryan Singer said in that radio interview:


"It's not an origin story. It actually puts the origin of the earlier films into a kind of, the best way I can describe it, a vague history, you'll see a moment of flashback, you'll see a bit of him as a young man, but no, this really takes off several years after he's arrived, that he's done many hero deeds, he's already a known figure... it's kinda like the first Batman film, I guess it's the best analogy, because Batman already existed, he was part of Gotham City... and here Superman existed in Metropolis, had a relation of a kind with Lois Lane and is now gone. This is a story of a return."


Get your facts straight.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

btw... my thread got merged with this one...
[now its all mixed up] muhahhahhahahhaha... [crying]

someone answer the question put forth on my thread

[Alonsovich]

First, your quote is wrong. Second, this is not a sequel, it's just not an origin story.

This is what Bryan Singer said in that radio interview:




Get your facts straight.

How did I get wrong the quote? As far as I remember Singer DID say this, which is what I posted and you also posted it:

"No, this is not an origin story. It actually puts the origin, the earlier films into a kind of, uh, the best way I can describe it is “vague history."

Key word: Earlier Films.

Excuse me... Where does Singer say this is NOT a sequel? Because last I checked, any film that follows vaguely or not earlier films is nothing more that a sequel... and anything that the director or the screenwriter to make it seem awesome and all that bullcrap is nothing more that that... bullcrap. I repeat: show me one single quote by Singer where he says textually that this is not a sequel. Stop having blind faith and kissing Singer and WB's asses...

[Sverdlovski]

How did I get wrong the quote? As far as I remember Singer DID say this, which is what I posted and you also posted it:

"No, this is not an origin story. It actually puts the origin, the earlier films into a kind of, uh, the best way I can describe it is “vague history."


"It's not an origin story. It actually puts the origin of the earlier films into a kind of, the best way I can describe it, a vague history..."

Excuse me... Where does Singer say this is NOT a sequel? Because last I checked, any film that follows vaguely or not earlier films is nothing more that a sequel... and anything that the director or the screenwriter to make it seem awesome and all that bullcrap is nothing more that that... bullcrap. I repeat: show me one single quote by Singer where he says textually that this is not a sequel. Stop having blind faith and kissing Singer and WB's asses...

Where does Singer say THIS IS as sequel??????????

Stop assuming things based on some 'insiders' reports...

[Alonsovich]

Where does Singer say THIS IS as sequel??????????

Stop assuming things based on some 'insiders' reports...

Read my post again. Key word: Earlier Films. Those two words are enough. And it's not based on insiders (BTW, S-V is quite reliable I must say...), it's based in Singer's own words. Remember: EARLIER FILMS.

[Sverdlovski]

Ok, if you wanna see that way... your problem... :rolleyes:

[Alonsovich]

Ok, if you wanna see that way... your problem... :rolleyes:

If you want to believe everything that someone in the movie buisness says... your problem... :rolleyes:

[DIRECTOR]

That's YOUR, Zanos, and MANY others problem.

JUMPING TO FRIGGIN CONCLUSIONS!

Some of THE most close-minded, one-sided, pride-filled fans EVER fill up these boards...and why????

Because you think YOU can come up with a better story and cast. :rolleyes:

Why don't you pitch your idea to WB and bless us with a leave of absence. Thanks.

am not sure how old u are, but u got some tension in you. Stop trying to be Singer's lawyer here. We are just expressing our opinions, so you just have to tolerate it

[Sverdlovski]

If you just wanna take the supposed 'bad' parts of what the director says about his idea for a movie, that's your problem... again.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Alonsovich]

If you just wanna take the supposed 'bad' parts of what the director says about his idea for a movie, that's your problem... again.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm sorry for you but I think Singer and WB already have very good lawyers... nice try though... :o

[DIRECTOR]

If you just wanna take the supposed 'bad' parts of what the director says about his idea for a movie, that's your problem... again.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

well, u can't wait for the movie to release to express ur thoughts because than we don't need the Superman forum until it's release. All we can do is express our opinions on the choices that Singer is making. I'm not sure where he is going with Kal Penn's character, that just seems over the top wierd. I like the idea that he isn't doing an orgin story, but if he is just picking off of what Donner is doing, than where is the originality.

I remember him saying that this movie will be similar to the first Batman movie, where Batman was already established as Batman in the city of Gotham City. So, from there i was happy.

but i hear about Kal Penn's casting and Martha Kent being a widow and she saying that it is picking of after Superman 2, than i'm starting to see that Singer is just doing what Donner would have been doing with Superman 3.

[Pickle-El]

am not sure how old u are, but u got some tension in you. Stop trying to be Singer's lawyer here. We are just expressing our opinions, so you just have to tolerate it


You are basically spamming, trolling, antagonizing, whatever you want to call it. It's the SAME thing. Don't make yourself out to be the victim here.

1.) I'm a little shakey on what Singer has told us so far about the film...Not to pumped about it. Etc.

Or

2.) Singer has NO VISION, his past movies ALL sucked, he can't think outside the box, this is nothing more than a Donner clone-S 2.5, Routh is a horrible actor, Spacey sucks too, howcome they are just copying Superman 1 and 2?? (Not to mention SPiderman 2) THIS MOVIE IS A TRAINWRECK!!! ITS GONNA FAIL...

(see the slight difference in weighing opinions and just dribbling at the mouth?)

[DIRECTOR]

well, all i see is u complaining on other people's opinion instead of giving your own

All u say is, "wait for the film to release and than give ur opinion". so, i suggest u leave the forum, and than come back after the film and stop wasting our time :rolleyes:

[Sverdlovski]

From IESB.net

Q: Singer has said that this new film will resemble Superman 1 and 2, can you see that?

Kevin Spacey: I think that it will resemble those films but at the same time it won’t. From what I have been told fans of the first films will recognize plenty but this film will also stand alone. Superman has been around way before the films of the 70's and 80's so the world has an understanding of he is. You also have a great TV show that is showing Clark’s younger years and that is shaping up who Superman will eventually become.

[AndrewGilkison]

A lot of the complaints seem to come from fans who wanted John Byrne's Man Of Steel Miniseries on the big screen and are upset they are not getting it. Because Singer didn't go with what they wanted, he is apparently a no talent hack. Aw, fanboys. :rolleyes:

I fail to see how ANYTHING that we have heard about this movie thus far is as bad as what Tim Burton was going to give us with Superman Lives, or what McG was going to give us with the Kryptonain civil war and completely changing Superman's origin into something that rips off Star Wars Episode One and The Matrix.

Some people should learn to count their blessings. Hollywood could have given us worse.

[The Sage]

well, u can't wait for the movie to release to express ur thoughts because than we don't need the Superman forum until it's release. All we can do is express our opinions on the choices that Singer is making. I'm not sure where he is going with Kal Penn's character, that just seems over the top wierd. I like the idea that he isn't doing an orgin story, but if he is just picking off of what Donner is doing, than where is the originality.

I remember him saying that this movie will be similar to the first Batman movie, where Batman was already established as Batman in the city of Gotham City. So, from there i was happy.

but i hear about Kal Penn's casting and Martha Kent being a widow and she saying that it is picking of after Superman 2, than i'm starting to see that Singer is just doing what Donner would have been doing with Superman 3.

Well let's see, Saint isn't the director, nor has she read the script, so I doubt she really knows anything besides the fact, that her Ma Kent is a widow and Pa Kent is dead.

[DIRECTOR]

but maybe she heard it from Singer, like a brief descriptino of the plot, if so, why would she say that than????

[Sverdlovski]

From IESB.net

Q: Singer has said that this new film will resemble Superman 1 and 2, can you see that?

Kevin Spacey: I think that it will resemble those films but at the same time it won’t. From what I have been told fans of the first films will recognize plenty but this film will also stand alone. Superman has been around way before the films of the 70's and 80's so the world has an understanding of he is. You also have a great TV show that is showing Clark’s younger years and that is shaping up who Superman will eventually become.

[Bad Superman]

How did I get wrong the quote? As far as I remember Singer DID say this, which is what I posted and you also posted it:

"No, this is not an origin story. It actually puts the origin, the earlier films into a kind of, uh, the best way I can describe it is “vague history."

Key word: Earlier Films.

Excuse me... Where does Singer say this is NOT a sequel? Because last I checked, any film that follows vaguely or not earlier films is nothing more that a sequel... and anything that the director or the screenwriter to make it seem awesome and all that bullcrap is nothing more that that... bullcrap. I repeat: show me one single quote by Singer where he says textually that this is not a sequel. Stop having blind faith and kissing Singer and WB's asses...

The following supports the evidence towards a sequel direction and I quote:

Eva Marie Saint Talks About Superman
Source: Robert February 5, 2005


IESB.net caught up with Eva Marie Saint this weekend and asked about her playing Martha Kent in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman movie. Here are several clips:

Eva said her shoot will be in March and will last for approximately 3 weeks. We can only assume then that the first few scenes must be shot on the Kent farm.

She also acknowledged that she is playing a widow. She is playing the same Martha Kent character that was married to Glenn Fords character, Pa Kent in the first film. This storyline will continue from where Superman 2 left off as previously reported.

1-She's playing a widow (Donner continuity)

2-This storyline will continue from where Superman 2 left off as previously reported.

So I guess this is a sequel AKA Superman III. If they chose to use the "vague history continuity" crap and ignore important details and storylines this could very well be another "Tarzan and the Lost City".

[Sverdlovski]

Vague history means that you don't have to watch STM or SII to understand SR... they assume you know who Superman is, he flies etc... they'll start from there. According to Bryan Singer himself, the best analogy would be Batman 89 when Batman is already a known figure in Gotham City.

Someone at The Planet made an analogy with El Mariachi and Desperado, and I think it's great.

[DIRECTOR]

ya true, i can see that. But, i saw both El Mariachi and Desperado, and i saw Desperado first, and that movie didn't quite tell the story right, because all the story was in the El Mariachi movie. It doesn't help with a vague history, because that is like say that you have to see STM and SII to understand the vague history they are telling, especially if Zod is in the film. Why even have Zod, oh why Singer????

[IT is Batgirl]

ya true, i can see that. But, i saw both El Mariachi and Desperado, and i saw Desperado first, and that movie didn't quite tell the story right, because all the story was in the El Mariachi movie. It doesn't help with a vague history, because that is like say that you have to see STM and SII to understand the vague history they are telling, especially if Zod is in the film. Why even have Zod, oh why Singer????
Who said Zod is in it...?

[zman]

bringing back Zod is a blatant lack of originality, no one is gona make me think other wise...

[DIRECTOR]

Who said Zod is in it...?


isn't he?

[IT is Batgirl]

isn't he?
No.

[Mentok]

no zod.... :(

[DIRECTOR]

but, it's already confirmed though in a way by everyone, Zod will be used in the film one way or the other. Either in flashback sequences or something

[Mentok]

I dont mind him not being in this movie.... I have always believed that the best thing would be to give Superman emotional battles at first..... then in the next films build up the physical battles.... ZOD, METALLO... whatever.

[superfever]

3 more weeks to go! just wonderful. :)

[Mentok]

3 more weeks to go! just wonderful. :)


That means the first suit pics should be coming in soon :up:

[Venom71]

In Singer I Still Trust!!!!!!!!!!! :supes: :cool:

[DarkKnightJRK]

Personally, I think Singer's using too much of the Donner films, but, I'm trying to keep an open mind. :up:

[The Sage]

Personally, I think Singer's using too much of the Donner films, but, I'm trying to keep an open mind. :up:

And which draft of the script did you realize this from? :o

[gregtestagent]

is Singer openly gay?

[The Sage]

is Singer openly gay?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/knight13/keaton6.jpg

[TheSuperBatFan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/knight13/keaton6.jpg

what he said.

[Pickle-El]

but, it's already confirmed though in a way by everyone, Zod will be used in the film one way or the other. Either in flashback sequences or something

see dude, your just making stuff up and going from there....it's ALL speculation. Which is what your crying about.

[Mister Sinister]

I don't like the fact that he left both X3 and Logan's Run to do this, whereas he was more than happy to do both of those at the same time.

[Sverdlovski]

He's still doing Logan's Run and Superman is one of his dream projects. I guess he's more happy now then ever.

[Mister Sinister]

Singer hasn't moved on with LR in over a year and it's slated for release this year, yet in a few months, he's cast most of Superman's lead characters for 2006.

[Sverdlovski]

Singer will pre-viz 80-90% of Logan's Run while filming Superman. Singer himself said that. Logan's Run will probably be released in 2006.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Once again with the leatest on casting I must say Singer has dropped the ball again.

[superfever]

singer is perserving what superman is and not reinventing him like the perviously did but failed. we are gonna have the superman movie we have been waiting for a long long time. so far, there isn't any negative news, why still complaining???

[Ultimate_Superman]

His story is okay to me just with casting I feel like he dropped the ball.

[DarkKnightJRK]

And which draft of the script did you realize this from? :o

It's just this "connection" that this film is supposed to be having to the first two. I didn't like the Donner movies so I'm worried that this one will be as bad as well.

However, as I said before, I'm keeping an open mind. :up:

[DIRECTOR]

why are the makers of the film thinking that everybody know who Superman is???? i have some friends who don't know who the man is, so, how can they continue off of the older movies and just have a vague history in the new film???

[Mister Sinister]

why are the makers of the film thinking that everybody know who Superman is???? i have some friends who don't know who the man is, so, how can they continue off of the older movies and just have a vague history in the new film???
DVD re-releases

[The Sage]

why are the makers of the film thinking that everybody know who Superman is???? i have some friends who don't know who the man is, so, how can they continue off of the older movies and just have a vague history in the new film???

Your friends are deprived, and you're even worse friend for not telling them about Superman. :p

[DIRECTOR]

well, I told them all about it, so..........I mean, they have an idea and stuff, but they just don't know the history, and they will be so lost with "Superman Returns". think about it, it's been a llooooonnnngggg time since a Superman film, which was in what, in the early 80's, the time when most of us were born.

[Hannibal King]

why are the makers of the film thinking that everybody know who Superman is???? i have some friends who don't know who the man is, so, how can they continue off of the older movies and just have a vague history in the new film??? Well he is supposedly the second most recognizable character in the world. That's gotta account for something.

[DIRECTOR]

second, whose first??

[IT is Batgirl]

second, whose first??

Oprah.

[DIRECTOR]

really, Orpah? THe world knows her? I think i saw that in some VH1 special.

[Hannibal King]

Character... I believe it was Mickey Mouse. (But a report is a report, they don't really mean anything)

[P. Cushing]

This is how I interpret the vague history thing:
If you've seen the first two Donner movies or the Reeves origin or the STAS origin or read his origin in the comics, you'll be fine watching this movie. All the vaguie history means is that they're not going to tell the origin for the umpteenth time. All you need to know is that Superman's been around for a bit and then he ****ed off. He's not remaking Superman 3. He appears to be doing a mixture of pre and post crisis elements.

[Sverdlovski]

Oprah.

THAT was soooooo wrong.....

[johnsonuk]

This is how I interpret the vague history thing:
If you've seen the first two Donner movies or the Reeves origin or the STAS origin or read his origin in the comics, you'll be fine watching this movie. All the vaguie history means is that they're not going to tell the origin for the umpteenth time. All you need to know is that Superman's been around for a bit and then he ****ed off. He's not remaking Superman 3. He appears to be doing a mixture of pre and post crisis elements.


spacey said(i think) if you have never seen any of those films befour it does not matter as this film will stand on it own.

[Sverdlovski]

Singer already said that, but some people just forgot it... :o

[johnsonuk]

Singer already said that, but some people just forgot it... :o
i knew someone did:D

[Sverdlovski]

Spacey said this film stands on its own, Singer never said this is going to be a sequel, that you have to watch the earlier movies... he said that everybody has a conception of who is Superman, a vague memory (ha!) if you wish... you know, he flies, bullets bounce of him ect.

[DIRECTOR]

i'm just realizing something that i hadn't before.....

Finding out that Singer casted Kal Penn as Riley, Lex Luthor's lead henchman, is showing how Singer is going to portray Lex Luthor. I think he is going the Gene Hackman's Lex way, because i see how Kal Penn (who will be eventually be portrayed as a comical character in the film), will essence make Lex Luthor a campy character as well. Now i'm getting worried because i don't think Lex Luthor isn't going to be the ruthless and manipulate business man that we grown to love in Micheal Rosenbaum's portrayal in Smallville, it's enivitable. And i don't think awaiting to read the script can tell us what we already know that Lex Luthor will be a campy character

[P. Cushing]

i'm just realizing something that i hadn't before.....

Finding out that Singer casted Kal Penn as Riley, Lex Luthor's lead henchman, is showing how Singer is going to portray Lex Luthor. I think he is going the Gene Hackman's Lex way, because i see how Kal Penn (who will be eventually be portrayed as a comical character in the film), will essence make Lex Luthor a campy character as well. Now i'm getting worried because i don't think Lex Luthor isn't going to be the ruthless and manipulate business man that we grown to love in Micheal Rosenbaum's portrayal in Smallville, it's enivitable. And i don't think awaiting to read the script can tell us what we already know that Lex Luthor will be a campy character
Luthor is going to be a ruthless businessman and Kal Penn is playing a scientist in Luthor's employ. He's not playing Otis and Spacey isn't doing a warmed over Hackman impression.

[Alonsovich]

i'm just realizing something that i hadn't before.....

Finding out that Singer casted Kal Penn as Riley, Lex Luthor's lead henchman, is showing how Singer is going to portray Lex Luthor. I think he is going the Gene Hackman's Lex way, because i see how Kal Penn (who will be eventually be portrayed as a comical character in the film), will essence make Lex Luthor a campy character as well. Now i'm getting worried because i don't think Lex Luthor isn't going to be the ruthless and manipulate business man that we grown to love in Micheal Rosenbaum's portrayal in Smallville, it's enivitable. And i don't think awaiting to read the script can tell us what we already know that Lex Luthor will be a campy character

I have another bad feeling with Penn's character... remember Peters' fixation with having a gay robot in Superman Lives or a gay Jimmy in JJ Abrams' Superman? Well... watch out for Penn's character, because with Peters on board I think the possibility of getting a gay Luthor henchman is more than possible.

[superfever]

wonder me... is gay such marketable in movie box office?

btw, your sig explains excellently.

[DIRECTOR]

Luthor is going to be a ruthless businessman and Kal Penn is playing a scientist in Luthor's employ. He's not playing Otis and Spacey isn't doing a warmed over Hackman impression.

but scientist is extremely different from LEAD HENCHMAN. I would be happy with the scientist route

edit: PLUS, WHERE THE HELL DID U HEAR THAT FROM?????

[The Sage]

i'm just realizing something that i hadn't before.....

Finding out that Singer casted Kal Penn as Riley, Lex Luthor's lead henchman, is showing how Singer is going to portray Lex Luthor. I think he is going the Gene Hackman's Lex way, because i see how Kal Penn (who will be eventually be portrayed as a comical character in the film), will essence make Lex Luthor a campy character as well. Now i'm getting worried because i don't think Lex Luthor isn't going to be the ruthless and manipulate business man that we grown to love in Micheal Rosenbaum's portrayal in Smallville, it's enivitable. And i don't think awaiting to read the script can tell us what we already know that Lex Luthor will be a campy character

There's no way Penn can be playing another Otis considering they said a genius henchmen under Luthor. Otis wasn't a genius. Penn must be playing a scientist.

To add, MR's Lex Luthor is nowhere near the true ruthless Lex Luthor. He's not even a bad guy on the show. No, the best interpretation of the true ruthless Lex Luthor outside of comics is Superman TAS.

[Mentok]

HENCHMAN

Didnt singer say in an interview that THAT word should never be used?

[Hannibal King]

Yeah, its Henchperson now...

Thats not a joke, its the sad truth.

[DIRECTOR]

There's no way Penn can be playing another Otis considering they said a genius henchmen under Luthor. Otis wasn't a genius. Penn must be playing a scientist.

To add, MR's Lex Luthor is nowhere near the true ruthless Lex Luthor. He's not even a bad guy on the show. No, the best interpretation of the true ruthless Lex Luthor outside of comics is Superman TAS.

well i don't mean MR's lex luthor is all the way ruthless, since Lex is not truly evil yet in the show. I'm just saying that is how Lex Luthor should be, and worse, i can really see Kevin Spacey doing that, hope Singer don't ruin that. Again, this whole continuation is worrying me with the portrayl of Lex

[Pickle-El]

what doesn't worry you about this film?

[The Sage]

well i don't mean MR's lex luthor is all the way ruthless, since Lex is not truly evil yet in the show. I'm just saying that is how Lex Luthor should be, and worse, i can really see Kevin Spacey doing that, hope Singer don't ruin that. Again, this whole continuation is worrying me with the portrayl of Lex

It's one of the many things Lex should be but there are other layers to him.

[AgentPat]

what doesn't worry you about this film?The flying scenes using that crane contraption they created. My gut instinct is, they'll be beautifully done.

[DIRECTOR]

what doesn't worry you about this film?

- The Acting by all the actors
- The Music
- Action sequences
- The flying scenes (not to worried about that since they have a good team working on that already)
- The Ending leading to a possible sequal
- Superman's Costume, including Lois and Lex's wardrobes
- the whole look of the film (camera positioning, locations (Kent Farm), the color tone of the film (hopefully red and blue will stand out more)

I'm not like some people here who are really worried and already debunked their hopes for this film because it's not going their way.

All i'm worried about is the continuation that Singer is taking with the film, that is all. Singer needs to be more specific about his intentions. His audio interview before, he said that this movie will be like the first Batman film, which is great, i understood that. That is fine with me, we don't need an origin story, we already have that with Smallville (even though it's all skrewy and mismatched). But, it's the word "continuation" thing that i keep hearing, especially from actress portraying Martha Kent.

Continuation could mean:
- Lois and Superman/Clark kent will never be together
- Lex Luthor wont' be evil enough and more of a comical character like Gene Hackmans'
- Pa Kent is dead (which is already confirmed and i'm still pissed about)
- Clark Kent will act dorky in the Daily Planet and not be himself

That is another thing, in Smallville, they are doing a good job at showing Clark Kent as Clark Kent. Clark Kent is the man that is afraid of every step he makes because he is hiding his powers, so he makes up lies, stumbles, and sometimes stutter. When he turns in to Superman, he is able to express his powers, and use his powers for good. In Superman TM, I didn't like Clark Kent's character because I think Clark Kent should have the same personality that Tom Welling has in Smallville.

But i'm not going through this again. I'm just saying with Singer's continuation thingy, we can assume that Clark Kent won't be the guy that we see in SMallville and "Lois & Clark", but the dorky Clark.

[b]I WANT LOIS TO FALL IN LOVE WITH CLARK DAMMIT, after she falls for Superman as well of course[B]

I dont' think many people will read this whole post, oh well.....just my two cents

[Mentok]

It's one of the many things Lex should be but there are other layers to him.


:up:

He's not a generic bad guy.

He is complex.












And he kicks ass.... :p

[BlueTights]

The flying scenes using that crane contraption they created. My gut instinct is, they'll be beautifully done.

Pat, you're nice and all most of the time, but it really amazes me that you have zero confidence in Singer as a Director and Chris Lee as a Producer and their ability to make good films.

[BlueTights]

well i don't mean MR's lex luthor is all the way ruthless, since Lex is not truly evil yet in the show. I'm just saying that is how Lex Luthor should be, and worse, i can really see Kevin Spacey doing that, hope Singer don't ruin that. Again, this whole continuation is worrying me with the portrayl of Lex

quit worrying about Lex... or any of the characters portrayal. Singer's a big Superman fan... this movie is a passion for him, and all those involved. Not a paycheck. Passion doesn't come from something you have no interest in at all. Passion indicates a love for the material, a love for the material indicates that he's got every intention of treating it right.

[The Sage]

Pat, you're nice and all most of the time, but it really amazes me that you have zero confidence in Singer as a Director and Chris Lee as a Producer and their ability to make good films.

She had confidence six months ago though. :up:

[green]

Pat, you're nice and all most of the time, but it really amazes me that you have zero confidence in Singer as a Director and Chris Lee as a Producer and their ability to make good films.


She's got her boxsets of Smallville to watch over and over.........

[Pickle-El]

Chill out on the Pat-smack....she's a very cool gal.

(even if I disagree with her on many things..no need to rub SV in her face)

[BlueTights]

yeah, most of the time Pat's cool, and I'm a Smallville fan myself, and love welling on the show. But it amazes me that she's basically centering all her opinions around that one actor. Like no movie by anyone could be good unless they chose him. Contrary to her signature, Tom Welling is NOT Superman. He's a model turned actor named Thomas Welling, who plays the role of a young Clark Kent on a tv show. A young man who has extraordinary powers and is deciding what to do with them and what to make of his extraordinary life. He's never even PLAYED Superman. I've got 3 comics immediately in front of me. Action #824, Superman #213, and Superman/Batman #17, and all three have different interpretations of Superman, but none is difinitive. How can you marry yourself to one single vision of Superman and still enjoy the breadth and width of his vast, epic, lifespanning story? Makes absolutely no sense to me how you can be a fan of something that has been presented in serial format for AGES, but insist that it has a definitive version.

[Pickle-El]

I guess I just wish EVERYONE could go into this with an open mind....trainwrecks and lowest of low expectations aside. :o

[BlueTights]

well, people having open minds is their own business. If they choose not to, nothing you can do about it.

[Smegger56]

I like the thought of Singer doing Superman. He virtually revitalised the comic films genre with X-Men, tho i'm gutted he's left X-Men.

But whats with this 'using the first two films as a vague history'? Why didn't he just go back and start it from scratch. Origins story and all. They're doing it with Bats. Tho i'm sure the film will be cool, starting again i would have preferred... but thats just me.

Also, Singer said he's be using the John Williams music in his film, which is a huge relief. Will he also use the superman title. You know, the way the word 'Superman' are designed?

[Steelsheen]

How do i feel about Singer NOW?

i feel like he's a very gifted director and has the potentials to be one of the greatest directors of all time (think Spielberg)

but if you mean how do i feel about Singer's work over this Superman film? jury's still out on that one, but i dont like the feeling that my confidence level in him for this film is not increasing as more tidbits filter out. that's usually a bad sign.

btw, you can really feel the love in this thread over the past several posts, specially on the last page. really guys, and you pride yourselves to be the matured, respected posters of SHH?....

[The Sage]

Sorry if it wasn't the most pleasant thing to read, but the creator of this thread has made at least two others like it, so it's a bit obnoxious. :o

[DIRECTOR]

How do i feel about Singer NOW?

i feel like he's a very gifted director and has the potentials to be one of the greatest directors of all time (think Spielberg)

but if you mean how do i feel about Singer's work over this Superman film? jury's still out on that one, but i dont like the feeling that my confidence level in him for this film is not increasing as more tidbits filter out. that's usually a bad sign.

btw, you can really feel the love in this thread over the past several posts, specially on the last page. really guys, and you pride yourselves to be the matured, respected posters of SHH?....

thanks for sharing.....here is a tissue :rolleyes:
the thread is to express ur thoughts on Singer's decision, meaning....each time some new news comes out, you come here and tell us whether Singer made the right choice or if you think he is on the right path and how u feel about Singer "NOW", at the moment.


Sorry if it wasn't the most pleasant thing to read, but the creator of this thread has made at least two others like it, so it's a bit obnoxious. :o

sorry Sage, but i'm not quite sure what other threads i made here that is similar to this, next time, get ur facts straight ;)

[The Sage]

sorry Sage, but i'm not quite sure what other threads i made here that is similar to this, next time, get ur facts straight ;)

Didn't you make a thread about the Super or the Man, or started a topic of the same kind in another thread? ;)

[DIRECTOR]

no, that was not me :D
i guess i stood out in that thread than

[The Sage]

Yes you did. :D

[DIRECTOR]

no, i did a search on all the threads that i made in this forum, and my last one was about Topher Grace being Jimmy Olsen debunked

[ETHERSPIN]

geez.. why the assumption that penn has to play a comical character!! silly me.. "comic" actors cant do serious and serious cant do comical.. geez imagine if say.. deniro was cast in a comedy.. that would never work... ohh wait...

[DIRECTOR]

Deniro is different, he has a different comical style. Penn's role is a henchman, which is not exactly anybody can picture him as.

[The Guard]

How do I feel? Now having read the script, I'm not worried at all.

Oh, wait, that was SUPERMAN LIVES. My mistake. Carry on. :)

Is he joking?

[Margomuljo]

Also, Singer said he's be using the John Williams music in his film, which is a huge relief. Will he also use the superman title. You know, the way the word 'Superman' are designed?

I hope Singer use the Superman title like Salkind's Superman (crystal/glasses?) with some modification i.e. Coloured Glasses (yellow fir front and red for whole side maybe?). Keep the John Williams music in Superman Returns.

[superfever]

How do I feel? Now having read the script, I'm not worried at all.

Oh, wait, that was SUPERMAN LIVES. My mistake. Carry on. :)

Is he joking?

you happy with superman lives??? this is outrageous!!! :D

[Smegger56]

I just gotta know, why not start from scratch with supes. What Donner did was wonderful, but thats in the past. Why not make his own mark. Obviously keep the suit and the music, and the title.

[Steelsheen]

thanks for sharing.....here is a tissue :rolleyes:
the thread is to express ur thoughts on Singer's decision, meaning....each time some new news comes out, you come here and tell us whether Singer made the right choice or if you think he is on the right path and how u feel about Singer "NOW", at the moment.
well since you put it that way... :rolleyes:

i feel he's too far up Donner's ass in trying to live up to the glory that was the first Superman films to realize that he can make this film his own. i feel that there is no clear direction, no clear definition of what this Superman film is supposed to be. its like a half-baked, half-hearted attempt to breath life into a franchise that got stuck in development hell a little too long for its own good.

btw, you said that we come to this thread for the purpose of "each time some new news comes out, you come here and tell us whether Singer made the right choice or if you think he is on the right path". dude, isnt that the purpose of all threads in this forum?

dont mean to be sarcastic, but then i didnt start it.

[S_H_F_4839]

I have faith in singer because he did good work with x-men, and I have faith in Routh as superman, because he has shone me he can pick unknowns, considering how jackman was as wolverine, I seem to be one of the only ones a little iffy about spacey, I like the casting of bosworth, and the casting of perry white, I am not sure about a few of the other's. I think this will be good, but hopefully if it doesn't do as well then the sequel will pull an x2 and completely wipe the floor with the first one.

For those that question my logic for being iffy on spacey, its because I just see the way he was in Austin Powers 3, him playing doctor evil in speildbergs movie in the movie, that stands out and keeps me wondering a little, my original pic for luthor would have been billy zane, but thats just me. I still have hope for this but I am worried.

[David33]

I mean to me after Supes and Lex his casting sucks I mean come on this guy is suppose to be one of Lex's bad guys
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/malibu_s_most_wanted/_group_photos/jamie_kennedy10.jpg
OH yea I am shaking right now.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I agree with you here.I find the casting of Penn awful.....

[The Sage]

well since you put it that way... :rolleyes:

i feel he's too far up Donner's ass in trying to live up to the glory that was the first Superman films to realize that he can make this film his own. i feel that there is no clear direction, no clear definition of what this Superman film is supposed to be. its like a half-baked, half-hearted attempt to breath life into a franchise that got stuck in development hell a little too long for its own good.

btw, you said that we come to this thread for the purpose of "each time some new news comes out, you come here and tell us whether Singer made the right choice or if you think he is on the right path". dude, isnt that the purpose of all threads in this forum?

dont mean to be sarcastic, but then i didnt start it.

I was gonna explain how the movie isn't gonna be a continuation of Donner's stuff, but Bluetights put it more delicately. :)

well, as I've stated before, and will repeat in just a moment so that it can be ignored again, the connections to the Donner film(s) and Smallville are only "allowed" connections, not explicit. Singer's allowing *gasp!* the viewer to make the connection on their own. Basically, he's not stepping on their toes, or trying not to. If you've never seen either of them, you can still enjoy the **** outta this film. If you've seen them and loved them, they can serve to you, in your heart and home, as a prequel to this film. I don't know how to make that any clearer. He's not negating things from those previous versions of parts of the tale. Now, you're probably gonna have to suspend a little disbelief in holding on to both this new kid and Wellign as young Clark, but ****, it's a flying man who shoots fire from his eyes. . . either suspend your disbelief or don't.

More....

sorry is I seemed snippy, wasn't trying to be.

and there's no one saying the new supes films won't be a maxiseries.
Okay, have you read Batman Hush?! It was a self-contained year long story in Batman, a story that didn't have any specific prequels to it, yet it DID reference things like Batgirl's injury, Jason's death, etc. It wasn't a sequel to those, but they were a part of it's past. It also introduced NEW flashback elements to Bruce's Childhood. Think of Supes like that. this is a new Superman story arc being created, and there are elements of past issues that might be coming up, but the story is all it's own.

[The Singularity]

In nomine patri, filius et spiritus sancti...

[pimpernel]

In nomine patri, filius et spiritus sancti...

The power of Singer compels thee. :p

[The Sage]

Not exactly a Latin speaker gentlemen, what does that mean?

[Alonsovich]

Not exactly a Latin speaker gentlemen, what does that mean?

In the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit...

[The Sage]

In the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit...

Thanks. You have to forgive my uncultured self. :)

[The Singularity]

In the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit...

Damn you and you're multi-lingual ways... :p :o

I have giving my blessing to this film.

[Alonsovich]

Damn you and you're multi-lingual ways... :p :o

I have giving my blessing to this film.


The advantadges of speaking 5 alive languages and 2 dead ones... :o

[The Singularity]

Ibergekumene tsores iz gut tsu dertseylin...

[Alonsovich]

Ibergekumene tsores iz gut tsu dertseylin...

Nice german... correct spelling and all that... :o

[Steelsheen]

I was gonna explain how the movie isn't gonna be a continuation of Donner's stuff, but Bluetights put it more delicately. :)

More....
granted Sage.

but i've got an underlying fear about this film. i cant explain it other than its like "spidey sense". perhaps its an apparent feeling of lack of direction. i might as well speak out some of my fears, but i'm afraid this film is gonna be a flop. Singer's first flop and it happens to be a film about the greatest superhero in all of human history (hush Batfans! ;)). i know its unfounded, and it may just be a "false positive", but then i know better than to doubt intuition.

[The Singularity]

German?!? Damn I thought it was Yiddish...! :o

I'll get my coat...

[Alonsovich]

German?!? Damn I thought it was Yiddish...! :o

I'll get my coat...

Az vicc volt... :o

[The Sage]

granted Sage.

but i've got an underlying fear about this film. i cant explain it other than its like "spidey sense". perhaps its an apparent feeling of lack of direction. i might as well speak out some of my fears, but i'm afraid this film is gonna be a flop. Singer's first flop and it happens to be a film about the greatest superhero in all of human history (hush Batfans! ;)). i know its unfounded, and it may just be a "false positive", but then i know better than to doubt intuition.

Understood. Perhaps knowing more details would allay this internal feeling.

[Wargod]

I'm pleased with what i heard until now. Not because i'm a blind follower, but because i liked all movies that Singer did, and because although "Superman Returns" doesn't have any A-lister actor, the ones that we have are good. And despite the fact that i wanted an origin movie, i'm not negative about the vague connection to the previous movies becouse as pointed by others it worked in other movies ("Goldeneye", "mask of zorro").

[Alonsovich]

In nomine patri, filius et spiritus sancti...

Ave, ego sum antitheus... :o

[Mentok]

I see the casting of Penn like this.

Look at Jamie Foxx...

He went from being a comic... Doing The Jamie Foxx Show... Movies like Booty Call.

Now look at him... easily one of the best young actors out there.

Now look at Penn.

Actor/Comic... Doing "DUDE" movies.

He has been cast in Superman Returns for a reason... I highly doubt it is for comic relief.

[The Sage]

I see the casting of Penn like this.

Look at Jamie Foxx...

He went from being a comic... Doing The Jamie Foxx Show... Movies like Booty Call.

Now look at him... easily one of the best young actors out there.

Now look at Penn.

Actor/Comic... Doing "DUDE" movies.

He has been cast in Superman Returns for a reason... I highly doubt it is for comic relief.

Indeed. I doubt anyone will rag on Jamie Foxx after seeing Collateral and Ray, the latter being absolutely outstanding.

[The Singularity]

Absolutio an ad manus...

[Wargod]

Originally posted by davsin50
I see the casting of Penn like this.

Look at Jamie Foxx...

He went from being a comic... Doing The Jamie Foxx Show... Movies like Booty Call.

Now look at him... easily one of the best young actors out there.

Now look at Penn.

Actor/Comic... Doing "DUDE" movies.

He has been cast in Superman Returns for a reason... I highly doubt it is for comic relief.

I agree. The same thing that happenned to Jamie Foxx could easily happen to Penn.
I don't understand why so many people can't accept when a comedy actor try to do a dramatic work or something totally different from what he has done before.

[The Sage]

I agree. The same thing that happenned to Jamie Foxx could easily happen to Penn.
I don't understand why so many people can't accept whe a comedy actor try to do a dramatic work or something totally different from what he has done before.

Keaton went from comedian to Bat, and I doubt many will dispute his acting ability now.

[Mentok]

Keaton went from comedian to Bat, and I doubt many will dispute his acting ability now.


Keaton OWNZ :up:

[KAZUYA]

same as b4 I guess.

[KAZUYA]

Keaton OWNZ :up:He was a good actor but did not look like Bruce Wayne.

[DIRECTOR]

yes, he didn't look like a Bruce Wayne

[TheBatman1979]

I agree. The same thing that happenned to Jamie Foxx could easily happen to Penn.
I don't understand why so many people can't accept when a comedy actor try to do a dramatic work or something totally different from what he has done before.

The Biggest suprise in that context was Jim Carrie, going from Ace Ventura and Cable Guy to Man on the Moon and The Truman Show. Or from The Grinch to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That's an amazing transition.

[The Sage]

The Biggest suprise in that context was Jim Carrie, going from Ace Ventura and Cable Guy to Man In the Moon and The Truman Show. Or from The Grinch to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That's an amazing transition.

Carrie definitely was a surprise.

[DIRECTOR]

oh crap, i was watchijng Superman TM again and realized something else

With this new movie, we won't see Bosworth and Routh relationship from the beginning, we will be put smacked down into the middle of their relationship. So, while we saw Kidder and Reeve's character from the beginning of their meetings, were gonna have to be convinced of Bosworth's and Routh's chemistry. I would like to see how they met and stuff like from the original film, but it looks like we wont' see that in the new film

[IT is Batgirl]

oh crap, i was watchijng Superman TM again and realized something else

With this new movie, we won't see Bosworth and Routh relationship from the beginning, we will be put smacked down into the middle of their relationship. So, while we saw Kidder and Reeve's character from the beginning of their meetings, were gonna have to be convinced of Bosworth's and Routh's chemistry. I would like to see how they met and stuff like from the original film, but it looks like we wont' see that in the new film
They're going to have to reestablish their relationship.

[DIRECTOR]

but, i don't think we will see the beginnings, which really sucks in my opinion. How can we love their relationship if we didn't see it from the beginning, especially with new cast members

[The Sage]

but, i don't think we will see the beginnings, which really sucks in my opinion. How can we love their relationship if we didn't see it from the beginning, especially with new cast members

Did we love the relationship between Bruce and Alfred in Batman 1989? I'm sure we did, and we didn't see the beginnings of it. We didn't see Alfred nurturing Bruce as a child, did we? Did we need to see the beginnings of the Murdock/Foggy friendship to enjoy it? Do we need to see the beginning of the relationship between Cyclops and Professor X to enjoy their father-son bond? Did we see the beginning of the relationship between Peter Parker and Uncle Ben to know they were close? Did we need to see the beginning of the Harry Osborn/Norman Osborn relationship to know they were close? Did we need to see the origin of Wolverine in order to enjoy him? Did we need to see Bond's origin to enjoy him? How about the first interaction between Bond and Q? Or Moneypenny? Did we have to see Bond's first ever mission to know he was that damn good?

[krisboyuk]

Sage. :up:

Plus the origin has already been done, and it was perfect. Why waste time trying to top something that cannot be topped?

[DIRECTOR]

Did we love the relationship between Bruce and Alfred in Batman 1989? I'm sure we did, and we didn't see the beginnings of it. We didn't see Alfred nurturing Bruce as a child, did we? Did we need to see the beginnings of the Murdock/Foggy friendship to enjoy it? Do we need to see the beginning of the relationship between Cyclops and Professor X to enjoy their father-son bond? Did we see the beginning of the relationship between Peter Parker and Uncle Ben to know they were close? Did we need to see the beginning of the Harry Osborn/Norman Osborn relationship to know they were close? Did we need to see the origin of Wolverine in order to enjoy him? Did we need to see Bond's origin to enjoy him? How about the first interaction between Bond and Q? Or Moneypenny? Did we have to see Bond's first ever mission to know he was that damn good?

how can u compare their relationships to an epic love story between Lois and Clark. Are we going to love Bruce and Alfred beginning relationship in Batman Begins more, HHHEEELLL YEEESSS

[The Sage]

how can u compare their relationships to an epic love story between Lois and Clark. Are we going to love Bruce and Alfred beginning relationship in Batman Begins more, HHHEEELLL YEEESSS

That's not what I said. Did you love the Bruce and Alfred relationship in Batman 89? Yes or no? ;)

[DIRECTOR]

yes, but that is totally different between two lovers like Clark and Lois. And ur comapring Cyclops and Prof. X to Clark/Lois???????

[The Sage]

yes, but that is totally different between two lovers like Clark and Lois. And ur comapring Cyclops and Prof. X to Clark/Lois???????

I was referencing relationships that you didn't need to see the beginning of to know they cared about each other.

And how is it different?

Also, did we need to see the beginning of the relationship between Cyclops and Jean Grey to know they were in love? Did we need to see their first date?

[DIRECTOR]

u want me to bother in answering that question??? There are some relationships in which u must see the beginning of to appreciate their current relationship

[green]

They're going to have to reestablish their relationship.

CK/Superman re-establish relationship with Lois.
Superman re-establish his "super"ioriety over Luthor
Clark Kent re-establish his working relationships at the Planet.
Superman re-establish his trust with the people of the world....

That's a lot of re's....kinda sounds like a re-start.

[Sverdlovski]

Superman changes his costumes in a phone booth, STM didn't need to explain that, but when Clark looked at that 'modern' phonebooth in the movie, everybody got the joke. I guess it's the same thing with this movie, people know who Superman is, he flies etc, same thing with CK and Lois... I think...

[C. Lee]

u want me to bother in answering that question??? There are some relationships in which u must see the beginning of to appreciate their current relationship
Knowing the beginning may help you to "understand" the relationship...but it doesn't have to keep you from appreciating it.

[Sverdlovski]

CK/Superman re-establish relationship with Lois.
Superman re-establish his "super"ioriety over Luthor
Clark Kent re-establish his working relationships at the Planet.
Superman re-establish his trust with the people of the world....

That's a lot of re's....kinda sounds like a re-start.

IMO it is a re-start, but will not renegate the Reeve's movies that were good...

[The Sage]

u want me to bother in answering that question??? There are some relationships in which u must see the beginning of to appreciate their current relationship

If you need to see the beginning of the relationship to appreciate it, then that means the relationship must not be worthwhile. I didn't need to see the beginning of the relationship between Bruce and Alfred in Batman 89 to appreciate it, I didn't need to see the beginning of the relationship of Cyclops and Jean to appreciate it, and I'm sure if I met you and your girlfriend, I wouldn't need to see the beginning of it to know you and your girl have chemistry and y'all are a sweet couple. ;)

[IT is Batgirl]

u want me to bother in answering that question??? There are some relationships in which u must see the beginning of to appreciate their current relationship

I don't think you realize that SR is a back-to-basics Superman. Singer knows that we haven't seen Superman on the screen in a long time. So what has he done? He's created a film where an established Superman has to reestablish his relationships with the people of Metropolis. In this instance, SR is like an origin. It's almost like he's meeting these Metropolitans for the first time. You see, 6 years is a long time. People change.

[green]

IMO it is a re-start, but will not renegate the Reeve's movies...

It's re-invigorating the franchise. In a Re-ally interesting way. :D

[The Sage]

I don't think you realize that SR is a back-to-basics Superman. Singer knows that we haven't seen Superman on the screen in a long time. So what has he done? He's created a film where an established Superman has to reestablish his relationships with the people of Metropolis. In this instance, SR is like an origin. It's almost like he's meeting these Metropolitans for the first time. You see, 6 years is a long time. People change.

So he's really gone for 6 years?

[IT is Batgirl]

So he's really gone for 6 years?
It seems to be 6 years, although I don't think the script explicitly states it.

[C. Lee]

So he's really gone for 6 years?
Give or take a day or two....could have forgot all about leap year.

[Sverdlovski]

It's re-invigorating the franchise. In a Re-ally interesting way. :D

:D :D :D

Like Jeff Robinov said, it's a fresh story yet true to the mythology... :up:

[DIRECTOR]

do u guys think that maybe Superman has been gone, but Clark Kent is still at the Planet, meaning, Clark chose to stop being Superman for that 6 years, or am i stepping into Spiderman boundry here?

[Alonsovich]

So he's really gone for 6 years?

No... he just turned time forward... :o

[IT is Batgirl]

do u guys think that maybe Superman has been gone, but Clark Kent is still at the Planet, meaning, Clark chose to stop being Superman for that 6 years, or am i stepping into Spiderman boundry here?

No. It's not like Spider-man where CK just stops choosing to be Superman or whatever. CK/Kal/Supes is *gone*.

This is from Variety in January.

"It's a little like 'X-Men,' where the mutants existed when the movie began," Singer said. "It's not an origin story; I didn't want to remake what Richard Donner did so well in the original, and didn't want to tread on the great work they're doing on 'Smallville.' He's already part of the culture; he has left the planet. This is the story of his return."

[superfever]

do u guys think that maybe Superman has been gone, but Clark Kent is still at the Planet, meaning, Clark chose to stop being Superman for that 6 years, or am i stepping into Spiderman boundry here?
which line demarkate the boundary?

[DIRECTOR]

this is one thing that i like what Singer is doing according to the latest article at www.superman-v.com

SHH received an anonymous tip that bryan Singer has cast Stephan Bender in the role of Young Clark Kent. We had heard that Singer was in L.A recently looking at boys to play a teenage Clark but it was unknown if someone had been cast. His agency listed "Superman Returns' on his CV but quickly removed it. Superman Returns will feature some flashback scenes where some of Clark's life in Smallville is explored. We hear that Singer wants to show a young Clark experimenting with his powers.

I wonder how long this film will be, since so many things are going on

[Bad Superman]

this is one thing that i like what Singer is doing according to the latest article at www.superman-v.com

SHH received an anonymous tip that bryan Singer has cast Stephan Bender in the role of Young Clark Kent. We had heard that Singer was in L.A recently looking at boys to play a teenage Clark but it was unknown if someone had been cast. His agency listed "Superman Returns' on his CV but quickly removed it. Superman Returns will feature some flashback scenes where some of Clark's life in Smallville is explored. We hear that Singer wants to show a young Clark experimenting with his powers.

I wonder how long this film will be, since so many things are going on

My guess is not less than 2 hours. They've got alot of gaps to fill and a good story to deliver. Anything less than that would be too rushed.