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NHawk19

10-18-2006, 11:45 AM

Well, so much for "Runaway." Now, tell me why Everwood or Aquaman didn't get picked up again?

c/o THR:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003256238

'Runaway' lost in shuffle as CW axes first drama

By Staff report

"Runaway" has run aground.

The CW drama has been axed after four airings. The series from Sony Pictures Television, revolving around a family who goes on the lam after the father is wrongly accused of murder, opened to weak numbers in the Monday 9 p.m. slot behind "7th Heaven" late last month.

CW shifted "Heaven" and "Runaway" from Monday to Sunday last week, but the change didn't help "Runaway," which averaged 1.8 million viewers in its last airing. CW has pulled the show entirely and will fill the Sunday 9 p.m. slot with repeats for the time being.

"Runaway" joins the CBS drama "Smith" as one of the first causalities of the new television season, and it now has the distinction of being the first cancellation by the network born out of the fusion of UPN and WB Network. CW fielded only two new series in its first fall slate, "Runaway" and the comedy "The Game."

Sunday at 9 was a death sentence anyway. A little thing called Desperate Housewives made sure of that

Kaboom

10-18-2006, 11:55 AM

it seems to me the cw wants to go to war with the bug guys the way they scheduled their shows, when they should be doing counter-programming.

Brainiac 8

10-18-2006, 11:57 AM

I fear for when American Idol starts on Thursdays, that's going to hurt all the major shows that night.:csad:

The Incredible Hulk

10-18-2006, 11:59 AM

AI didnt really have much of an impact on SV last year. There's not much crossover in the demos

Cmill216

10-18-2006, 12:07 PM

AI didn't come on at the same night as SV. :huh:

So yeah...it had no impact. :p

Brainiac 8

10-18-2006, 12:16 PM

AI didn't come on at the same night as SV. :huh:

So yeah...it had no impact. :p

No, but the results show did.

avidreader

10-18-2006, 12:16 PM

I just found this post over at DeKnight's Blog. Very interesting...

Trek' Ratings in Black Hole

By Staff, STAFF

(Broadcasting & Cable) _ The Starship Enterprise is missing. Wormhole? Rift in the space-time continuum? No. Trouble processing ratings for The CW.

Last month, Paramount Domestic Television re-released the 40-year-old original Star Trek series into syndication for the first time in a decade and a half. But ratings for the first two weeks that the digitally remastered episodes aired on The CW fell into a black hole in the national syndicated rankings report.

It seems Nielsen has had to reprocess ratings on 20 shows running on The CW's cable and digital outlets due to the misclassification of smaller-market affiliates of the new network, which replaced UPN and The WB.

A Nielsen spokeswoman said the reprocessed ratings from the first two weekSept. 18-24 and Sept. 25- Oct. will be released sometime next week.

In its first week of actually appearing in the national rating the week ended Oct. Trek posted a 1.3 rating for its weekend runs (3 a.m. in New York). That's not far behind the 1.5 rating for WB holdover Smallville.

Never understimate the power of Shatner.

So some of the markets arent being picked up by Nielsen.

Brainiac 8

10-18-2006, 12:20 PM

That's because Shatner is the father of modern sci fi television.:o :word:

avidreader

10-18-2006, 12:34 PM

That's because Shatner is the father of modern sci fi television.:o :word:

I'm not sure if you missed my point or not, so I'll explain why I posted that. :yay:

They were confused as to why Star Trek didnt rate better and when they did some research they discovered that Nielsen wasnt picking up all the affiliate markets, or some technical garbo like that.

But if they arent picking it up for one show then it stands to reason that Nielsen arent picking it up for all the CW shows.

Cmill216

10-18-2006, 12:37 PM

No, but the results show did.

Smallville was on Wednesdays last year?! :wow:

Oh wait...I repeat: :p

Brainiac 8

10-18-2006, 12:43 PM

Smallville was on Wednesdays last year?! :wow:

Oh wait...I repeat: :p

Doh, you're right cmill, I forgot AI was on Tuesdays and Wednsdays. I was thinking Wed and Thurs for some reason. Oops. :O

And Avid, I got the point, I was just stating fact.:word: :cwink:

NHawk19

10-18-2006, 01:37 PM

I'm not sure if you missed my point or not, so I'll explain why I posted that. :yay:

They were confused as to why Star Trek didnt rate better and when they did some research they discovered that Nielsen wasnt picking up all the affiliate markets, or some technical garbo like that.

But if they arent picking it up for one show then it stands to reason that Nielsen arent picking it up for all the CW shows.

Nice thought avid. . . it may also explain some of the million fall off. Have to wait and see what the new ratings come up as.

Tempest19

10-18-2006, 02:10 PM

i should be in charge of programming for the CW, aquaman would have gotten picked up, cyborg would have been greenlit, the flasjh would be in creative development, and all would be right with the world.

;)

Right there with you!

But, to expand on that... what about MARVEL and DC team up together to create the 'superhero' station. That would ROCK!!! I mean, think of all the potential.

It's time for the heroes. The Superheroes.

Mig-El

10-18-2006, 09:16 PM

Well, so much for "Runaway." Now, tell me why Everwood or Aquaman didn't get picked up again?

c/o THR:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003256238

'Runaway' lost in shuffle as CW axes first drama

By Staff report

"Runaway" has run aground.

The CW drama has been axed after four airings. The series from Sony Pictures Television, revolving around a family who goes on the lam after the father is wrongly accused of murder, opened to weak numbers in the Monday 9 p.m. slot behind "7th Heaven" late last month.

CW shifted "Heaven" and "Runaway" from Monday to Sunday last week, but the change didn't help "Runaway," which averaged 1.8 million viewers in its last airing. CW has pulled the show entirely and will fill the Sunday 9 p.m. slot with repeats for the time being.

"Runaway" joins the CBS drama "Smith" as one of the first causalities of the new television season, and it now has the distinction of being the first cancellation by the network born out of the fusion of UPN and WB Network. CW fielded only two new series in its first fall slate, "Runaway" and the comedy "The Game."

I only have one reponse to this. BRING ON AQUAMAN!!! or Green Arrow!! lol!

avidreader

10-18-2006, 10:46 PM

According to DTS the new Thursday Smallville episode will be rerun on Sundays in the time slot previously occupied by Runaway

Cmill216

10-18-2006, 10:57 PM

^ Word? That's great. A bit more exposure for SV, I guess. :up:

The Immortal!

10-18-2006, 11:08 PM

Is anyone here worried about the drop in ratings?

Last weeks show drew a 3.0/5. Year ago it drew a 3.5/6.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=thursday

The Incredible Hulk

10-18-2006, 11:15 PM

Your only looking at the fast nationals (which doesnt include all markets), not the full ratings. It actually did a 3.6/6

http://www.kryptonsite.com/news.htm

http://www.kryptonsite.com/witherratings.htm

X-Ray

10-18-2006, 11:48 PM

Well, so much for "Runaway." Now, tell me why Everwood or Aquaman didn't get picked up again?

c/o THR:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003256238

'Runaway' lost in shuffle as CW axes first drama

By Staff report

"Runaway" has run aground.

The CW drama has been axed after four airings. The series from Sony Pictures Television, revolving around a family who goes on the lam after the father is wrongly accused of murder, opened to weak numbers in the Monday 9 p.m. slot behind "7th Heaven" late last month.

CW shifted "Heaven" and "Runaway" from Monday to Sunday last week, but the change didn't help "Runaway," which averaged 1.8 million viewers in its last airing. CW has pulled the show entirely and will fill the Sunday 9 p.m. slot with repeats for the time being.

"Runaway" joins the CBS drama "Smith" as one of the first causalities of the new television season, and it now has the distinction of being the first cancellation by the network born out of the fusion of UPN and WB Network. CW fielded only two new series in its first fall slate, "Runaway" and the comedy "The Game."

Well that just sucks. I actually enjoyed that show. The poor ratings is due to poor .. and I mean poor advertisment for the show. :cmad:

The Incredible Hulk

10-19-2006, 04:14 PM

Wonder what effect the Mets/Cardinals Game 7 is gonna have on the ratings this week?

thebigtree95

10-19-2006, 06:26 PM

From past numbers, the majority of the viewership is from the two home cities. So hopefully not too much.

avidreader

10-19-2006, 07:38 PM

I know where the Mets are from, but where are the Cardinals from?

Cmill216

10-19-2006, 07:39 PM

I know where the Mets are from, but where are the Cardinals from?

St. Louis

avidreader

10-19-2006, 07:51 PM

St. Louis

Thanks.

Just realised they're the nasties that beat the Padres.

Go Mets!

Batgort

10-19-2006, 10:11 PM

Any got ratings info for Arrow?

thebigtree95

10-19-2006, 10:30 PM

Any got ratings info for Arrow?

Usually not available until the next day around noon.

AgentPat

10-20-2006, 12:37 PM

Prime-Time Thursday Ratings:
ABC and CBS Share Leadership; MLB NLCS Game 7 Comes to Life on Fox

Thursday 10/19/06
Metered Market Ratings

Note: The following overnights exclude the Buffalo market.

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 11.1/17, ABC: 10.3/16, Fox: 10.1/15, NBC: 7.0/11, CW: 3.0/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 10/20/05)
(The CW is compared to Smallville and Everwood on the WB on the year-ago evening; Fox to repeats of failed drama Reunion).
Fox: +461, ABC: +106, NBC: -20, CW: -21, CBS: -24,

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), MLB National League Championship Series, Game 7 (Fox), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Shark (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Six Degrees (ABC)

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Fast National Ratings

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.26 million, ABC: 14.59, Fox: 14.11, NBC: 10.61, CW: 3.95

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.8 rating/15 share, CBS: 5.4/14, Fox: 4.5/11, NBC: 4.1/11, CW: 1.7/ 4

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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS remain the networks to beat on Thursday, with CBS first in the overnights and total viewers; and vastly improved ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. Game 7 of the MLB National League Championship Series on Fox ended on a high note, while the once unstoppable NBC dipped to No. 4. The CW was, meanwhile, in search of the leftovers.

Beginning with 8 p.m., ABC’s Ugly Betty was down, but far from out, finishing first over CBS’ competing Survivor: Cook Islands in the overnights (10.1/15) and second in total viewers (13.07 million) and adults 18-49 (4.3/12). Survivor: Cook Islands (which was finally better last night, by the way) was just the opposite at a 9.2/14 in the overnights (#2), 14.97 million viewers (#1) and a 5.3/14 among adults 18-49 (#1). Comparatively, that was down by 15 percent in the overnights, 2.81 million viewers and 13 percent among adults 18-49 from the year-ago telecast of Survivor: Guatemala (Overnights: 10.8/17; Viewers: 17.78 million; A18-49: 6.1/17 on Oct. 20, 2005).

Game 7 of the MLB National League Championship Series on Fox (sorry, Mets!) perked up to a series-high 12.4/19 in the overnights from 8:15-11:45 p.m., with an approximate 14.11 million viewers and a 4.5/11 among adults 18-49 in prime time.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name Is Earl (Overnights: #4, 5.7/ 9; Viewers: #4, 8.70 million; A18-49: #3, 3.5/10) and The Office (Overnights: #4, 5.3/ 8; Viewers: #4, 8.43 million; A18-49: #4, 4.0/10), and the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #5, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #5, 4.65 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 5). If NBC is really thinking about replacing 8-9 p.m. scripted programming with news and reality/game show fare (see TV Tidbits below), what will happen to My Name Is Earl and The Office?

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.

In the 9-10 p.m. battle of ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy vs. CBS’ CSI, the winning ball remains in ABC’s corner. Take a look:

Thursday 9 p.m.
Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Overnights: 15.2/22 (#1), Viewers: 21.93 million (#1), A18-49: 9.5/23 (#1)

CSI (CBS)
Overnights: 14.0/20 (#2), Viewers: 20.20 million (#2), A18-49: 6.8/16 (#2)

Fourth in the hour was NBC’s overused Deal or No Deal (Overnights: 5.8/ 8; Viewers: 9.73 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 7), followed by the CW’s Supernatural was a distant last-place 2.5/ 4 in the overnights, 3.26 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49. Considering the severity of the competition, Supernatural could actually be doing worse.

Counfounded baseball. Grrr!

<- pissed that the Mets lost on top of everything. :cmad:

Brainiac 8

10-20-2006, 12:56 PM

At least the ratings have not waivered much either way, it is staying pretty constant, which means they have viewers that are continueing to watch.

NHawk19

10-20-2006, 12:58 PM

Yup we'll have to wait till after the world series to get a really accurate picture. Lets hope they have some really good eps lined up for that time frame rather than things like Tomb.

AgentPat

10-20-2006, 01:17 PM

...Lets hope they have some really good eps lined up for that time frame rather than things like Tomb.HUSH! Bite your tongue. Don't even joke about stuff like that. LOL ;)

RakuMon

10-23-2006, 01:21 PM

Sunday 10/22/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
Fox: 12.2/18, CBS: 9.6/15, ABC: 9.2/14, NBC: 3.7/ 6, CW: 1.9/ 3

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Sunday 10/23/05)
(The CW is compared to the WB’s combination of two Reba repeats, Charmed and two episodes -- original and repeat -- of Blue Collar TV).
Fox: +15, CBS: + 4, ABC: -17, WB: -24, ABC: -51

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Fast Nationals

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 16.10 million, ABC: 13.47, CBS: 13.06, NBC: 5.14, CW: 2.34

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 5.4 rating/14 share, ABC: 5.2/13, CBS: 3.7/ 9, NBC: 2.1/ 5, CW: 0.9/ 2

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-Sunday’s Winners:
60 Minutes (CBS), The World Series, Game 2 (Fox), Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC), Desperate Housewives (ABC), Cold Case (CBS), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Sunday’s Losers:
The CW’s line-up

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Game two of The World Series (St. Louis vs. Detroit) led Fox to a rare Sunday victory, with a first-place finish in the overnights, total viewers and adults 18-49. The game averaged a 12.3/19 in the overnights from 8-11:30 p.m., with an approximate 16.47 million viewers and a 5.4/13 among adults 18-49 for the prime time portion. As always, the fast national results for any live sporting event is a rough estimate and subject to change when the final nationals come in. Comparatively, the year-ago game two World Series match-up between Houston and the Chicago White Sox averaged a slightly higher 12.9/19 in the overnights from 8:15-11:30 p.m., with 17.19 million viewers and a 5.7/14 among adults 18-49 on Sunday, Oct. 23, 2005.

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.

Earlier in the evening, an NFL Football overrun on Fox opened with a 12.0/20 in the overnights, followed by the half-hour baseball pre-game at a 9.2/14 in the overnights at 7:30 p.m.

Despite facing The World Series, ABC managed to trail overall by only two-tenths of a rating point among adults 18-49 thanks to stand-out Desperate Housewives (which is down year-to-year, but far from out) at a first-place 13.6/19 in the overnights, 19.51 million viewers and an 8.0/18 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. Comparatively, that was an increase over already potent lead-in Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (Overnights: #2, 8.3/12; Viewers: #2, 12.68 million; A18-49: #2, 4.9/12 at 8 p.m.) of 64 percent in the overnights, 6.83 million viewers and 63 percent among adults 18-49. Desperate Housewives lead-out Brothers & Sisters, which was just renewed for the full season, continued to squander the ample support with an 8.6/13 in the overnights (#3), 12.10 million viewers (#3) and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 10 p.m. That put retention for Brothers & Sisters out of Desperate Housewives of just 63 percent in the overnights, and 62 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49.

Earlier in the evening, ABC’s veteran America’s Funniest Home Videos averaged a typical 6.1/10 in the overnights (#3), 9.58 million viewers (#3) and a 3.0/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 7 p.m.

CBS came in at typically solid Sunday levels despite facing The World Series with its combination of 60 Minutes (Overnights: #1, 10.0/16; Viewers: #2, 11.79 million; A18-49: #3, 2.6/ 8), The Amazing Race 10 (Overnights: #3, 7.6/11; Viewers: #3, 10.99 million; A18-49: #3, 3.8/ 9), Cold Case (Overnights: #3, 10.0/15; Viewers: #3, 14.64 million; A18-49: #3, 4.3/10 and Without a Trace (Overnights: #2, 10.6/17; Viewers: #2, 14.83 million; A18-49: #3, 4.3/11).

NBC faced baseball with three repeat episodes of Heroes, which was barely visible at a 3.9/ 6 in the overnights, 5.70 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m.

The CW was left out in the cold, meanwhile, with its distant last-place combination of a repeat of Smallville (Overnights: 1.5/ 2; Viewers: 1.80 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2), the relocated 7th Heaven (Overnights: 2.5/ 4; Viewers: 3.25 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3) and a repeat of America’s Next Top Model (Overnights: 1.6/ 2; Viewers: 1.97 million; A18-49: 0.9/ 2). Although 7th Heaven did manage to grow from the Smallville repeat by a hefty 67 percent in the overnights, 1.45 million viewers and 57 percent among adults 18-49, year-ago occupant Charmed averaged a more potent 3.6/ 5 in the overnights, 4.26 million viewers and a 1.8/ 4 among adults 18-49 on Oct. 23, 2005.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

heliorei

10-23-2006, 01:25 PM

Smallville repeats helping 7th Heaven?

Wow...Why did they cancel Everwood?

Nautica7mk

10-23-2006, 01:28 PM

Wow...Why did they cancel Everwood?
And I so wanted to know what would happen if Ephram got that call from Madison. Sigh.

heliorei

10-23-2006, 01:33 PM

And I so wanted to know what would happen if Ephram got that call from Madison. Sigh.

Sorry but I'm still watching season 1...but so far I'm really enjoying the series.

It got cancelled by season 4, right?

thebigtree95

10-26-2006, 03:01 PM

The CW's prez Dawn Ostroff discusses her season so far ...

TVGuide.com: Justin Hartley, the actor who plays Green Arrow on Smallville (http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=100398), looks like he's your kind of star. Is there a spin-off in his future?
Ostroff: I never say never. I think he's great in the role. It's adding a lot of life to Smallville. That's a show that keeps getting stronger. The research we've done says viewers think that creatively it's the best season they've had.

Kaboom

10-26-2006, 03:08 PM

thebigtree95

10-26-2006, 03:20 PM

RakuMon

10-26-2006, 03:37 PM

You're probably right. Since she came from UPN, I think she had a WB bias, and didn't want so many of their shows on the CW. No Aquaman, Everwood, Reba. But the 7th Heaven thing kinda hurts that arguement.

Who knows what goes through the minds of studio heads, they're all loons.
I agree with you about Ostroff's WB bias. I think it's clear that the CW is very UPN/CBS-heavy (7th Heaven is actually a product of CBS Studios, so that explains that), and that's got a lot to do with the CW's struggles so far.

avidreader

10-26-2006, 03:40 PM

she doesnt want to admit she made a boo boo by passing on Mercy Reef

Did you see what else she said in the interview? She said they did the biggest promoting for Next Top Model because that show had the biggest numbers to bring over? :wow:

I think she forgot to add that it was from UPN.

Cmill216

10-26-2006, 05:11 PM

All I want is for Dawn to start giving Supernatural some more pub and give Hartley a GA spinoff, and then I might forgive her.

RakuMon

10-26-2006, 05:16 PM

Ratings Box:
What’s Hot/What’s Not

-The CW vs. UPN and the WB:
Five weeks into the new season, the CW is reporting growth over the year-ago average for the WB (with regularly scheduled programming) of 6 percent among adults 18-34 (1.7/ 5 vs. 1.6/ 5) and 5 percent among women 18-34 (2.2/ 7 vs. 2.1/ 7). The CW mirrors The WB’s scheduling model with 6 nights and 13 hours of prime time programming. Compared to UPN (which programmed only 10 hours), the CW is on par in all key demos.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

NHawk19

10-27-2006, 08:02 AM

^^I'd have thought they'd do atleast a little better than that.

RakuMon

10-27-2006, 12:29 PM

OCTOBER 27, 2006
The Programming Insider

Marc Berman

Prime-Time Thursday Ratings:
Fox Wins Despite Lackluster World Series

Thursday 10/26/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
Fox: 10.0/15, CBS: 9.4/14, ABC: 8.9/14, NBC: 5.9/ 9, CW: 3.2/ 5

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 10/27/05)
(The CW is compared to Smallville and Everwood on the WB on the year-ago evening; Fox aired a repeat of theatrical Maid in Manhattan).
Fox: +186, ABC: +98, CW: -16, NBC: -19, CBS: -32

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), CSI R (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
nothing

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Fast National Ratings

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 14.52 million, CBS: 13.21, ABC: 11.76, NBC: 8.40, CW: 4.23

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.5 rating/12 share, ABC: 4.1/11, CBS: 4.0/11, NBC: 3.0/ 8, CW: 1.9/ 5

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Opposite repeats on ABC and CBS from 9-11 p.m., game four of The World Series on Fox (Detroit vs. St. Louis) took center stage, with an 11.4/19 in the overnights from 8:30 p.m.-12:15 a.m., and an approximate 14.52 million viewers and a 4.5/12 among adults 18-49 in prime time. While that is certainly an improvement over Fox’s regularly scheduled Thursday delivery, compared to the game four match-up on Oct. 26, 2005 between The Chicago White Sox and the Houston Astros (Overnights: 14.8/24; Viewers: 19.98 million; A18-49: 6.6/18), it was also a decrease of a considerable 23 percent in the overnights, 5.46 million viewers and 32 percent among adults 18-49. Good? Yes. But a home-run? Absolutely not.

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.

Airing opposite a clips edition of CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands (which only demonstrated how deadly dull this season is) and Fox’s aforementioned baseball (including the half-hour pre-game show), ABC’s Ugly Betty dominated the 8 p.m. hour with a healthy 10.2/16 in the overnights, 13.15 million viewers and a 4.2/12 among adults 18-49. Second was Survivor: Cook Islands at a 7.9/12 in the overnights, 12.61 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. The pre-game show scored a 6.7/10 in the overnights.

Repeats of NBC’s My Name Is Earl (Overnights: 5.4/ 8; Viewers: 7.56 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 8) and The Office (Overnights: #4, 4.6/ 7; Viewers: 6.38 million; A18-49: 2.7/ 7), which will begin airing into the return of Scrubs and the relocated 30 Rock in November, finished fourth in the 8 p.m. hour. The CW’s Smallville, meanwhile, held up at a 3.7/ 6 in the overnights, 4.79 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49. Comparably, Smallville matched its season highs in adults 18-34 and 18-49.

In the battle of the repeats at 9 p.m., CSI’s advantage over Grey’s Anatomy only solidifies the value of crime solving dramas versus serialized story-telling in off-network syndication. The CSI second-run averaged a potent (and first-place) 12.2/18 in the overnights, 16.63 million viewers and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49 versus a third-place 9.0/13 in the overnights, 12.21 million viewers and a 4.5/11 among adults 18-49 for Grey’s Anatomy. As reported yesterday, Tony winner Liev Schreiber will be temporarily filling in for William Petersen on CSI beginning in January.

NBC’s competing Deal or No Deal, which the network is wisely removing from the competitive Thursday waters, scored a fourth-place 7.3/11 in the overnights, 11.03 million viewers and a 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49. The CW’s Supernatural, which like lead-in Smallville is down year-to-year, capped off the hour with a last-place 2.8/ 4 in the overnights, 3.67 million viewers and a 1.7/ 4 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that put retention for Supernatural out of Smallville at 76 percent in the overnights, and 77 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49.

In the battle of the repeats at 10 p.m., the No. 2 spot was shared between CBS’ Shark and another episode of ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy. Shark averaged an 8.1/13 in the overnights (#2), 10.37 million viewers (#2) and a 2.9/ 8 (#3) among adults 18-49, with Grey’s Anatomy at a 7.6/12 in the overnights (#3), 9.92 million viewers (#3) and a 3.8/10 among adults 18-49 (#2). A repeat of NBC’s ER was fourth with a 5.5/ 9 in the overnights, 7.20 million viewers and a 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Brainiac 8

10-27-2006, 01:00 PM

It's too bad there is so much major competition for that night now that it's doing so well.

We need to shut down the other stations...permanently.:cmad: :word:

The Incredible Hulk

10-27-2006, 01:14 PM

one thing to keep in mind is that the World Series was already over by this time last year, hence the reason Fox is +186%

NHawk19

10-27-2006, 01:38 PM

They really are going to need some strong eps once the series is over though. Hopefully they can stay strong.

Kaboom

10-27-2006, 02:42 PM

hulk, why do good shows stay away from wed? the only thing i ever really watch is lost, but i havent even seen that in over a year bc i think its gotten dumb.

The Incredible Hulk

10-27-2006, 03:01 PM

I dont know if they "stay away" from wednesdays, it's just the networks usually line up their strongest shows on Thursday nights since it's the night right before the weekend starts when people tend to spend more and the more viewers they get the more $$ they can charge for ad time, hence the reason movie studios and car companies fall all over themselves to advertise on thursday nights.
The only real "dead" nights on TV anymore are Friday and Saturday since most people are out doing things on the weekends. Wednesdays arent bad nights for TV from a marketing standpoint though. You usually pay the most for Thursdays, then Sundays (most people are home), followed by Mondays, Tuesday, and Wednesdays in some order, and then the 2 weekend nights.

Kaboom

10-27-2006, 03:27 PM

thats cool, maybe its just weird that at least for my tastes ive always loved mon, tues, and thurs, but wed has historically been bleh. oh well. thanks for th e info

avidreader

10-29-2006, 02:37 PM

From Ksite.

The CW on "Reunion" Ratings
The CW has issued a press release about the ratings for the Thursday, October 26 episode of Smallville. Here's what they had to say:

THE CW POSTS WEEK-TO-WEEK GAINS AGAINST THURSDAY COMPETITION, INCLUDING WORLD SERIES
"Smallville" Hits New Season Highs in Men Demos; Matches Season Bests in Adult 18-34 and 18-49
"Smallville" Second Only to World Series in Time Period Among Men 18-34
"Supernatural" Improves Over "Everwood" A Year Ago in Adults and Men Demos
October 27, 2006 (Burbank, CA) - Against Game 4 of the World Series and a mix of original and repeat competition, The CW scored week-to-week gains on Thursday, including 6% in viewers (4.2mil), 12% in adults 18-49 (1.9/5), 9% in men 18-34 (2.4/7), 18% in men 18-49 (2.0/6) and 6% in women 18-49 (1.8/5), according to preliminary live plus same day Nielsen ratings for Thursday, Oct. 26.
Despite facing the World Series, "Smallville" hit new season highs in men 18-34 (3.0/10) and men 18-49 (2.5/7) and matches its season best in adults 18-34 (2.5/8) and 18-49 (2.2/6). Compared to last week, "Smallville" climbed 4% in adults 18-34, 10% in adults 18-49, 15% in men 18-34 and 19% in men 18-49.
"Smallville" ranked second in the hour among men 18-34, behind only Fox.
"Supernatural" matched its season bests in adults 18-49 (1.7/4) and women 18-49 (1.8/5), and held 90% of "Smallville's" women 18-34 (1.8/5 v. 2.0/6) audience and 100% of its women 18-49 (1.8/4 v. 1.8/5) audience.
Compared to "Everwood" in the time period a year ago (10/27/05), "Supernatural" scored gains of 21% in adults 18-34 (1.7/4), 31% in adults 18-49 (1.7/4), 113% in men 18-34 (1.7/5), and 114% in men 18-49 (1.5/4).
The CW's Thursday line-up of "Smallville" and "Supernatural" is delivering considerable increases over UPN's Thursday night from a year ago, with increases of 50% in adults 18-34 (2.1/6), 36% in adults 18-49 (1.9/5), 140% in men 18-34 (2.4/7), 100% in men 18-49 (2.0/6) and 25% in viewers (4.2mil).
Versus The WB a year ago (10/27/05), The CW's Thursday is an improvement of 14% in men 18-34 and 11% in men 18-49, equaling its performance in adults 18-49.

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=22784

AgentPat

10-29-2006, 06:23 PM

^ Good stuff there. The Futon Critic also posted the press release:
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061027cw01

:D :up:

NHawk19

10-30-2006, 09:11 AM

Nice to see the improvement in the key demos. They just need to keep it up.

The Incredible Hulk

10-30-2006, 09:47 AM

Please save that posting for anytime people come in here and try saying that Smallville is targeted to a teen audience. I'm tired of repeating myself on that subject.

Brainiac 8

10-30-2006, 11:26 AM

I agree, many try to claim it's supposed to be a teeny bopper show, but that is not the demo they go after. If you look at all the press releases they do, it's more the adult demos.

People just like to complain.:whatever:

heliorei

10-30-2006, 01:15 PM

If SV's ratings continue like this, then season 7 is a lock! :yay: :up: :super:

AgentPat

11-03-2006, 11:50 AM

(Excerpts)

NOVEMBER 03, 2006
The Programming Insider
Marc Berman

Prime-Time Metered Market Thursday Ratings:
CBS Wins; DOA The Return of Fox’s The O.C.

Thursday 11/02/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 10.9/16, ABC: 10.1/15, NBC: 8.0/12, CW: 3.1/ 5, Fox: 2.7/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 11/03/05)
(The CW is compared to the WB’s combination of Smallville and Everwood)
ABC: +63, NBC: - 8, CW: -14, Fox: -23, CBS: -25

---------------

Note: The fast national results for Thursday will be posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Thursday, Nov. 2, 2006.

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
‘Til Death (Fox), Happy Hour (Fox), The O.C. (Fox), Six Degrees (ABC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
...Third in the 8 p.m. hour was NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (6.3/10) and The Office (6.0/ 9), followed by the CW’s Smallville (3.5/ 5), and the low-rated return of Fox comedies ‘Til Death (3.3/ 5) and Happy Hour (2.5/ 4). As a benchmark, Smallville on the year-ago evening scored a heftier 4.2/ 6 on the WB, while former 8-9 p.m. Fox occupant The O.C. was also at a 4.2/ 6.

At 9 p.m., residents of upscale Orange County would be wise to get their bags packed. Season four of Fox’s The O.C. opened with a series-low 2.6/ 4 in the overnights, tying the CW’s Supernatural for fourth in the hour. While the CW can live with this performance, The O.C. sunk by alarming 50 percent in rating and four share points from its third-season premiere at 8 p.m. on Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005 (5.2/ 8). Growth of only 4 percent for The O.C. out of clinker Happy Hour must mean that Mischa Barton is sorely missed.

RakuMon

11-03-2006, 12:27 PM

More numbers. Smallville actually came in fourth last night, beating the shows on FOX!

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/67510681

Prime-Time Thursday Ratings:
CBS Wins; DOA Return of Fox’s The O.C.

Thursday 11/02/06
Metered Market Ratings

*snip*

Fast Nationals

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.42 million, ABC: 14.09, NBC: 12.02, CW: 4.15, Fox: 3.56

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.6 rating/14 share, CBS: 5.3/13, NBC: 4.8/12, Fox: 1.6/ 4, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
‘Til Death (Fox), Happy Hour (Fox), The O.C. (Fox), Six Degrees (ABC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS split leadership on this first night of the November 2006 sweeps, with CBS first in the overnights and total viewers, and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. Working against ABC is the ongoing collapse of new drama Six Degrees, but considerably more alarming was the DOA return of Fox soap The O.C. NBC and the CW were both on par with typical Thursday levels.

Beginning with 8 p.m., the little ABC show that could, Ugly Betty, remained on the winning track with a 10.1 rating/15 share in the overnights (#1), 13.72 million viewers (#2) and a 4.4/11 among adults 18-49 (#2). Comparably, the last ABC series to generate any real interest in Thursday 8 p.m. time period was sitcom Mork & Mindy, and that was 25 years ago! CBS’ deadly-dull Survivor: Cook Islands is down, but far from out, with a 9.2/14 in the overnights (#2), 15.56 million viewers (#1) and a 5.5/14 among adults 18-49 (#1). Comparatively, Survivor: Guatemela on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005) averaged a healthier 10.9/16 in the overnights, with 18.28 million viewers and a 6.6/17 among adults 18-49.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Overnights: #3, 6.3/10; Viewers: #3, 9.57 million; A18-49: #2, 4.1/11) and The Office (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.87 million; A18-49: #3, 4.2/10), followed by the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.1/ 5), and the low-rated return of Fox comedies ‘Til Death (Overnights: #5, 3.3/ 5; Viewers: #5, 4.31 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5) and Happy Hour (Overnights: #5, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.18 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). As a benchmark, Smallville on the year-ago evening scored a heftier 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 5.41 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 on the WB, while former 8-9 p.m. Fox occupant The O.C. was at a 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 6.65 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49.

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.

At 9 p.m., residents of upscale Orange County would be wise to get their bags packed. Season four of Fox’s The O.C. opened with a series-low 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4t), 3.38 million viewers (#4t) and a 1.5/ 3 among adults 18-49 (#4). Comparably, the CW’s Supernatural performed at an almost identical 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4t), 3.38 million viewers (#4t) and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49 (#5). While the CW can live with this performance, The O.C. sunk by alarming 50 percent in the overnights, 4.12 million viewers and 55 percent among adults 18-49 from its third-season premiere on Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005 (Overnights: 5.2/ 8; Viewers: 7.50 million; A18-49: 3.3/10 at 8 p.m.). Growth for The O.C. out of Happy Hour of only 4 percent in the overnights, 200,000 viewers and seven percent among adults 18-49 must mean that Mischa Barton is sorely missed. Chances are Fox will move The O.C. back to Thursday at 8 p.m.

*snip*

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

NHawk19

11-03-2006, 02:36 PM

hmm wonder why it's down. Guess Ugly Betty has some kind of other appeal.

Does anyone know if they fixed the problem they were having with the CWs ratings? I think avid brought it up before.

Kaboom

11-03-2006, 02:48 PM

i dont know how to read that stuff, is smallville doing well or not?

AgentPat

11-03-2006, 09:24 PM

i dont know how to read that stuff, is smallville doing well or not?I'd venture a guess the folks at CW are more than satisfied. They beat FOX last night, and they did it on the most competitive night of the week. FOX is already canceling shows and shifting its schedule around to compete, which is eye opening...

FOX Shifts 'The O.C.,' Extinguishes 'Happy Hour'
'The Rich List' is also off the schedule

This wasn't necessarily the triumphant return from playoff baseball that FOX might have hoped for.

On Friday (Nov. 3), FOX began to shake things up, pulling two shows from its roster and making a move to try to save "The O.C."

Coming off the lowest rating World Series in history, FOX has seen freshman offerings "Justice," "Standoff," "Til Death" and "Happy Hour" come back to the schedule with viewership well below their season averages. In addition, Wednesday's series premiere of British transplant "The Rich List" was rejected by viewers, while the fourth season premiere of "The O.C." was unable to find traction against ABC's "Gray's Anatomy" and CBS' "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" on Thursday.

Given the devoted service performed by "The O.C." in recent years, FOX announced Friday that the season's second episode, "The Gringos," will air on Wednesday, Nov. 8 at 9 p.m. ET after "Bones." The following night, FOX will air another new "O.C." episode, "The Cold Turkey," in the same Thursday 9 p.m. slot where early estimates had the show bringing in under 3.4 million viewers this week. Although FOX presents this as a one-week move, it's expected that if "The O.C." is able to deliver a better audience in the Wednesday hour, the show will make a permanent move to that night, where there may be more free-floating viewers after "Lost" goes on its upcoming hiatus.

Leading into the "O.C." episode next Thursday will be a repeat of the comedy "Til Death," following a new episode. Like "The Rich List," "Happy Hour" has been removed from FOX's schedule and the odds of the sitcom returning are low, particularly after it took a beating this week from The CW's "Smallville."

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-ocmovedhappyhourcancelled,0,5976933.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines

Meanwhile, SV has been improving slightly week to week. It's picking up steam as channel flipping casual viewers are finally figuring out which stations CW can be found in their respective broadcast areas.

triplet

11-03-2006, 11:02 PM

hmm wonder why it's down. Guess Ugly Betty has some kind of other appeal.

Does anyone know if they fixed the problem they were having with the CWs ratings? I think avid brought it up before.

They were supposed to have fixed it by now, I believe, but I hadn't read about the adjusted ratings... I would have thought a press release would have been forthcoming from the CW about it if it'd held positive news.

*shrug*

heliorei

11-05-2006, 12:35 PM

Is there some table showing the ratings of Smallville since the beginning of the season?

Pickle-El

11-05-2006, 12:48 PM

If you have the numbers, and Microsoft Excel, you could make a graph.

AgentPat

11-05-2006, 09:33 PM

Is there some table showing the ratings of Smallville since the beginning of the season?If you scroll back, all of the MediaWeek reports are posted, though we're not very good about posting final figures. Yeah, we baaaad. LOL (MediaWeek's numbers are fast nationals and not full tallies.)

Here are the FINAL figures for last week's ep, Fallout, as reported today on Variety. (Excerpts)

Overall on Thursday -- the opening night of the four-week sweep -- ABC had the edge over CBS in adults 18-49 (5.5/14 to 5.4/13), with NBC third (4.8/12). The Latin Grammy Awards lifted Univision to fourth (2.6/6), followed by the CW in fifth (1.8/4) and Fox in sixth (1.5/4)...

ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" (9.0/21 in 18-49, 21.03m) again led the 9 o'clock battle over CBS' "CSI" (7.0/16, 20.77m), with NBC's "Deal or No Deal" (4.7/11, 13.22m) hitting a season high on the night.

It was neck-and-neck between Fox's "The OC" (1.5/3, 3.39m) and CW's "Supernatural" (1.4/3, 3.38m). "OC," with the tough task of bowing against sweeps episodes of the established dramas, came in with just half of its rating on the same night a year ago (3.0/8), when it aired at 8.

Net also did nothing kicking off the night, as "'Til Death" (1.7/5 in 18-49, 4.33m) and "Happy Hour" (1.4/4, 3.20m) were overwhelmed by CBS' "Survivor" (5.4/14, 15.30m). Also handily beating the Fox laffers were stronger comedies "Ugly Betty" on ABC (4.4/11, 13.62m) and "My Name Is Earl" (4.1/11, 9.48m) and "The Office" (4.2/10, 8.81m) on NBC...

Over at CW, "Smallville" (2.1/5 in 18-49, 5.01m) remained solid, placing second at 8 in men 18-34 (2.7/9).

...Compared with the opening Thursday of last year, ABC was up 90% (5.5 vs. 2.9), CBS declined 29% (5.4 vs. 7.6), NBC was flat (at 4.8), CW was on par with the WB (at 1.8) and Fox slid 35% (1.5 vs. 2.3).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117953362.html

Bear in mind that last Thursday was the first day of November sweeps. Those are very good numbers for SV! :up:

Brainiac 8

11-05-2006, 09:44 PM

It's not bad at all, especially compared to the competition it has going against it.

The Immortal!

11-05-2006, 09:57 PM

Fox cancels a show after only 1 eppy? You are kidding me? See, this is why I don't watch Fox. (except for Family Guy..but I usually catch that on Adult Swim)

avidreader

11-05-2006, 11:24 PM

YAY! They hit the 5 million. :yay:

M.O.Steel

11-06-2006, 12:41 AM

Please save that posting for anytime people come in here and try saying that Smallville is targeted to a teen audience. I'm tired of repeating myself on that subject.

Although the show has really picked up, You have to admit tho, the first two seasons were very "dawson's creek-ish". Although, in their defense, i think that makes more of an impact on the current relationships.

heliorei

11-06-2006, 09:05 AM

If you scroll back, all of the MediaWeek reports are posted, though we're not very good about posting final figures. Yeah, we baaaad. LOL (MediaWeek's numbers are fast nationals and not full tallies.)

Here are the FINAL figures for last week's ep, Fallout, as reported today on Variety. (Excerpts)

Overall on Thursday -- the opening night of the four-week sweep -- ABC had the edge over CBS in adults 18-49 (5.5/14 to 5.4/13), with NBC third (4.8/12). The Latin Grammy Awards lifted Univision to fourth (2.6/6), followed by the CW in fifth (1.8/4) and Fox in sixth (1.5/4)...

ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" (9.0/21 in 18-49, 21.03m) again led the 9 o'clock battle over CBS' "CSI" (7.0/16, 20.77m), with NBC's "Deal or No Deal" (4.7/11, 13.22m) hitting a season high on the night.

It was neck-and-neck between Fox's "The OC" (1.5/3, 3.39m) and CW's "Supernatural" (1.4/3, 3.38m). "OC," with the tough task of bowing against sweeps episodes of the established dramas, came in with just half of its rating on the same night a year ago (3.0/8), when it aired at 8.

Net also did nothing kicking off the night, as "'Til Death" (1.7/5 in 18-49, 4.33m) and "Happy Hour" (1.4/4, 3.20m) were overwhelmed by CBS' "Survivor" (5.4/14, 15.30m). Also handily beating the Fox laffers were stronger comedies "Ugly Betty" on ABC (4.4/11, 13.62m) and "My Name Is Earl" (4.1/11, 9.48m) and "The Office" (4.2/10, 8.81m) on NBC...

Over at CW, "Smallville" (2.1/5 in 18-49, 5.01m) remained solid, placing second at 8 in men 18-34 (2.7/9).

...Compared with the opening Thursday of last year, ABC was up 90% (5.5 vs. 2.9), CBS declined 29% (5.4 vs. 7.6), NBC was flat (at 4.8), CW was on par with the WB (at 1.8) and Fox slid 35% (1.5 vs. 2.3).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117953362.html

Bear in mind that last Thursday was the first day of November sweeps. Those are very good numbers for SV! :up:

The reason why I was asking for was because I wanted to see if the ratings were improving from the beginning of the season.

Is this the first time, the show gets the 5 million mark this season, right?

avidreader

11-06-2006, 10:23 AM

The reason why I was asking for was because I wanted to see if the ratings were improving from the beginning of the season.

Is this the first time, the show gets the 5 million mark this season, right?

I believe that's the first time this season that they've hit 5 million.

NHawk19

11-06-2006, 10:39 AM

I believe that's the first time this season that they've hit 5 million.

I think they've been hovering around that # for a while but havent crossed it yet.

I'm glad the key demos are still going strong though even if overalls are down

Of course I'd like to see it doing Grey's #'s but hey I'll take what I can get.

KalKai

11-07-2006, 08:03 PM

FROM 10/30/06 THROUGH 11/05/06 (http://abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=110706_05)

1) Smallville -- 5.01 M
2) Friday Night Smackdown -- 4.63 M
3) America's Next Top Model -- 4.41
4) 7th Heaven -- 3.85 M
5) Everybody Hates Chris -- 3.83 M
6) Supernatural -- 3.38 M
7) Girlfriends -- 3.13 M
8) The Game -- 2.85 M
9) Gilmore Girls -- 2.79 M
10) Veronica Mars -- 2.70 M
11) One Tree Hill -- 2.51 M
12) Supernatural-11/5 -- 1.51 M
13) America's Next Top Model-ENC -- 1.51 M

AgentPat

11-07-2006, 08:20 PM

Interesting. LA Times is slightly different, but SV is still at the top, so no matter LOL.

1 - Smallville CW 5.01m
2 - Friday Night Smackdown CW 4.63m
3 - America's Next Top Model (Wed.) CW 4.41m
4 - 7th Heaven CW 3.85m
5 - Everybody Hates Chris CW 3.58m
6 - Supernatural (Thu.) CW 3.38m
7 - Girlfriends CW 3.13m
8 - All of Us CW 3.09m
9 - The Game CW 2.85m
10 - Gilmore Girls CW 2.79m
11 - Veronica Mars CW 2.70m
12 - One Tree Hill CW 2.51m
13a - Supernatural (Sun.) CW 1.51m
13b - America's Next Top Model (Sun.) CW 1.51m

And for lack of a better place to post this, here's an interesting article from today's Variety...

Daily Variety
11/7/06

To power franchises, we may need another hero
By BRIAN LOWRY

IN A VINTAGE "Saturday Night Live" sketch, the Hulk and the Flash attend a superhero party where they mock the lesser-known Ant-Man, chortling over his ability to shrink to ant-size while still possessing "the strength of a human."

As Variety's Gabriel Snyder and Pamela McClintock reported this week, many venerable movie franchises are "played out or aging," triggering "a furious hunt for a replacement crop" of tentpole-worthy concepts. Yet when it comes to the perilous if potentially lucrative leap from comics page to bigscreen, Tina Turner misspoke in that "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" song: Maybe we do need another hero.

Special effects have evolved to the stage where it's easy to "believe that a man can fly," as the 1978 "Superman" promised on its memorable one-sheet. As a consequence, after years of uninspired, campy takes on beloved heroes, studios can "put something on screen that you never thought you could see with that level of realism," as DC Comics editor Paul Levitz said in a recent interview.

The irony, however, is that while virtually anything is now possible visually, there's a dearth of recognizable characters capable of attracting a mass audience without provoking snickers among the uninitiated, making their elevation to "franchises" a super-human task.

STRICTLY SURVEYING comic books, once you exhaust major stars at Marvel and Time Warner-owned DC Comics -- Spider-Man, X-Men and the Hulk in the former's arsenal; Superman, Batman and perhaps Wonder Woman in the latter -- the pickings become decidedly slim. Marvel is taking another pass at the Hulk after Ang Lee's overwrought stab, rolls out "Ghost Rider" next year and has "Iron Man" on the launchpad. Based on the track record of films like "The Punisher," "Hellboy" and "Constantine," none of these figure to give "Spider-Man" a run for his money.

With most of big guns already discharged, that raises the specter of marching into battle with titles like DC's the Flash and Green Lantern or Marvel's Captain America and the Black Panther. And while those spandex-clad heroes might make the pulses of comic aficionados beat faster, they're unlikely to flourish (outside the confines of Comic-con, anyway) a la "X-Men" or "Batman Begins," regardless of how well they're executed. No wonder Warner Bros. is planning a "Superman Returns" sequel despite its unspectacular box office flight: At least with the Man of Steel, people know what to expect and won't giggle at the costume.

Television isn't necessarily a solution either. George Lucas has discussed bringing the next permutation of his "Star Wars" universe there, and NBC's original concept "Heroes," along with the CW's "Smallville," are performing well in that medium. Yet adapting certain second-tier characters to TV could be prohibitively expensive, while $100-million movies based on more obscure properties risks flops of "Howard the Duck"-sized proportions.

THE CHALLENGE thus becomes whether the fantasy/sci-fi/superhero world -- such fertile theatrical fare in the last decade -- can unearth the next mega-concept or, more likely, exploit its legions of superheroes in less ostentatious ways.

"We're living in a time where the kind of stories we tell are in the heart of the culture," Levitz said. "We have an astonishing catalog to bring to the screen."

Ah, but not a catalog of household names, and hence the studios' dilemma. Wisely, Marvel and DC are pursuing a middle ground with direct-to-DVD projects, such as Marvel's animated "Ultimate Avengers" movies, an adult take on the squabbling superhero team.

DC is similarly plunging into that realm with animated versions of "Superman: Doomsday," "Teen Titans" and "Justice League: New Frontier," all chronicling wildly popular comic storylines that might warrant a quizzical look from mere mortals. The goal, says DC Comics senior VP of creative affairs Gregory Noveck, is to "appeal to core fans and not-so-core fans," allowing Warner Bros. to "take more advantage of DC as a brand and a library."

Live action is also on the drawing board, and in a best-case scenario, Noveck says, characters that pop on DVD will help point the way toward which might be developed as features. If not, they can profitably deliver doubles or singles, without having to gamble on swinging for the fences.

As for true home-run franchises, though, that still looks like a job for Superman.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117953479.html

NHawk19

11-08-2006, 08:19 AM

Interesting read Pat. Wonder if that means anything for the previously rumored DTV for SV.

Honestly though I'm looking forward to the coming onslaught of Superhero themed movies. It brings a whole new dimension to their mythologies, and provides a special effects experience that you can only really get from the big screen. In many cases one may even be able to surmise that fx are the main reason people really go to the theater.

In any case Hollywood seems to continue to be lacking in any original ideas which will boost box office. Seems like just seeing a movie in a theater isnt what it used to be (especially when you figure its a $20 night before you buy the popcorn). If effects are how the bring them in and Superhero movies are the driver I say do it. Unfortunately though they will have to find something else because soon people will begin to expect those kind of things and become complacent.

The Incredible Hulk

11-10-2006, 12:34 PM

last night's numbers:

NOVEMBER 10, 2006
The Programming Insider

Marc Berman

Prime-Time Metered Market Thursday Ratings:
ABC Wins, CBS Solid, Fox Anemic

Thursday 11/09/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household
CBS: 11.1/17, ABC: 10.3/16, NBC: 7.3/11, CW: 3.0/ 4, Fox: 2.7/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 11/10/05)
(The CW is compared to the the WB’s combination of Smallville and Everwood)
ABC: +140, NBC: -15, CW: -17, Fox: -18, CBS: -24

---------------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Shark (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
‘Til Death (Fox), The O.C. (Fox)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS led the overnight troops on this typical Thursday, with an 8 percent advantage over second-place ABC. But don’t rule out the alphabet net, which is expected to finish first among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are released. Third in the overnights was NBC, followed by the CW and an anemic Fox, which is home of the fast sinking series in prime time, The O.C.

ABC’s Ugly Betty was down, but certainly not out, with a first-place 9.6/15 in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands, which is finally beginning to heat up, was second at an also below-average 9.0/14. When the fast nationals are released, however, expect Survivor to dominate in both total viewers and adults 18-49.

Although NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (#3: 6.0/ 9) and The Office (#3: 5.6/ 8) don’t look like much based on the overnights, both are likely to remain on the map among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are released (and are posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET). Fourth in the overnights was the CW’s diluted Smallville (3.5/ 5), followed by two episodes of Fox dud ‘Til Death (8 p.m.: 2.9/ 5; 8:30 p.m.: 3.2/ 5). Apparently, everybody does not love Brad Garrett.

At 9 p.m., the winning overnight ball remained in ABC’s court, with Grey’s Anatomy at a 14.6/21 -- four percent above CBS’ CSI (14.0/20). Expect another horse race in total viewers once the fast nationals are released for the two dramas (and another rock-solid victory among adults 18-49 for Grey’s Anatomy).

NBC’s Deal or No Deal, which is getting ready to wisely exit the Thursday war zone, finished third in the overnights with a 6.5/10, followed by the CW’s Supernatural (2.5/ 4) and…gulp…Fox’s The O.C. (2.3/ 3). Comparably, The O.C. on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Nov. 10, 2005) averaged a 3.8/ 6 in the overnights at 8 p.m. Year-ago failed Thursday 9 p.m. drama Reunion even rated higher at a 2.8/ 4. Word of advice to the residents of Orange County: get those trendy bags packed!

At 10 p.m., CBS’ Shark took center stage in the overnights with a 10.4/16, and improved retention out of CSI of 74 percent. Second was NBC’s ER at a 9.6/15, followed by a repeat of Desperate Housewives at a 6.7/11 (which was an improvement over former occupant Six Degrees). Although ER will dominate among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are released (and continues to build out of Deal or No Deal), keep in mind that its overnight performance on the year-ago evening (opposite heavy competition from CBS’ Without a Trace) was a stronger 11.0/17. Who said the veteran medical drama is on a roll this season?

Don't forget, for a more detailed analysis using fast national data, go to www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m., click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night's Results, and Thursday, Nov. 9, 2006.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

avidreader

11-10-2006, 12:43 PM

What do they mean by diluted?

The Incredible Hulk

11-10-2006, 01:32 PM

I think by "diluted" they might mean that the show wasnt seen in all of it's markets. With the NHL and NBA in full swing now, in a lot of markets the CW networks show games of those teams and that pre-empts normal programming. That may be the reason why theyre re-airing this episode on Sunday night.

check out this forum for ratings discussion:

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/30710791

avidreader

11-10-2006, 01:50 PM

^^^ Interesting forum.

04nbod

11-12-2006, 06:56 PM

anyone know what the green arrow effect has been? Are ratings up on last season? i don't know how to read that ratings jargon

KalKai

11-15-2006, 06:00 AM

FROM 11/06/06 THROUGH 11/12/06 (http://abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=111406_09)

1) America's Next Top Model -- 5.37 M
2) Smallville -- 4.46 M
3) Gilmore Girls -- 4.34 M
4) Friday Night Smackdown -- 4.33 M
5) 7th Heaven -- 3.62 M
6) One Tree Hill -- 3.56 M
7) Supernatural -- 3.19 M
8) Everybody Hates Chris -- 3.18 M
9) Girlfriends -- 2.92 M
10) The Game -- 2.86 M
11) Veronica Mars -- 2.75 M
12) America's Next Top Model-ENC -- 2.01 M
13) Smallville-11/12 -- 1.63 M

AgentPat

11-16-2006, 10:22 AM

^ Nice positioning again! :up:

Looks like CW has filled in the Sunday hole left vacant by Runaway:

• For those who care, "Reba'' finally will be back Sunday with new episodes (7 p.m., Ch. 44). The WB comedy initially didn't make the cut for the new CW's fall schedule. But then the new network discovered that because of contractual obligations, it was more expensive to cancel the show than to make 13 more episodes to start burning off at some point. That point has come and, once the series has vanished for good, can someone please find a better show for star Reba McEntire? She really deserves it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/columnists/16025827.htm

Cmill216

11-16-2006, 11:44 AM

You know, I have this really amazing concept for The CW, but they'll never listen to me. :(

Spider-Gamer

11-16-2006, 11:49 AM

You know, I have this really amazing concept for The CW, but they'll never listen to me. :(
May I ask what is your concept/idea? :huh:

AgentPat

11-16-2006, 11:53 AM

You know, I have this really amazing concept for The CW, but they'll never listen to me. :(Non-stop SV episodes, 24 hours a day? Yes? :D

No? Awww.... I thought it was a good idea. :(

;) :p

Cmill216

11-16-2006, 01:20 PM

May I ask what is your concept/idea? :huh:

Well, in a way:

Supernatural * The Da Vinci Code + Relic Hunters / A Hanna-Barbera classic = My idea

;) Something like that. I'd go into further detail and post a copy of my four page proposal/outline, but I'm not sure I want to. :D

Kaboom

11-16-2006, 07:46 PM

two brothers in search of their missing father stumble across the death of a museum curator who is able to leave messages concerning his death referring to old cartoons like the jetsons and teh Flintstones which could utlimately bring about the end of the world as we know it?

Kaboom

11-16-2006, 07:46 PM

................and i feel fine.

Spider-Gamer

11-16-2006, 07:51 PM

Kaboom

11-16-2006, 07:58 PM

git these m*tha f*n snakes off the m*tha f*n plane!

RakuMon

11-17-2006, 03:07 PM

No one's posted the ratings yet? Jeez, even the faithful has turned against the crap that was last night's Smallville.

Prime-Time Metered Market Thursday Ratings:
CBS Wins; NBC’s 30 Rock Stumbles; Solid Barbara Walters on ABC

Thursday 11/16/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 11.8/18, ABC: 11.3/17, NBC: 6.5/10, CW: 3.2/ 5, Fox: 2.8/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 11/17/05)
(The CW is compared to the the WB’s combination of Smallville and Everwood)
ABC: +122, CW: -16, Fox: -20, CBS: -22, NBC: -26

---------------

Note: The fast national results for Thursday will be posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Thursday, Nov. 16, 2006. And while you’re there, leave a comment…or two.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), Barbara Walters: 30 Mistakes in 30 Years (ABC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
‘Til Death (Fox), 30 Rock (NBC), The O.C. (Fox)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS won the Thursday battle in the overnights, but with only a five-tenth of a rating point (or 4 percent) advantage over second-place ABC expect the alphabet net to dominate among adults 18-49. CBS is likely to finish as the most-watched network. The Thursday debut of NBC’s 30 Rock, meanwhile, was DOA, while Fox was buried in last place -- 12 percent below the CW’s combination of Smallville and Supernatural. As a reminder, the fast national results will be posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET.

ABC’s Ugly Betty opened the evening for ABC with a first-place 9.5 rating/14 share in the overnights -- two-tenths of a rating point (or two percent) above CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands (9.3/14). As always, expect Survivor: Cook Islands (which really heated up last night courtesy of the two contestants getting their walking papers) to win in total viewers and adults 18-49. NBC’s competing My Name Is Earl scored a typically modest 6.3/10 (#3) in the overnights in the 8 p.m. half-hour, followed by a 45-minute edition of The Office at an also third-place 6.0/ 9 from 8:30-9:15 p.m. What does NBC really think it is accomplishing by expanding a half-hour show by 15 minutes?

Also at 8 p.m., the CW’s Smallville finished fourth with a so-so 3.6/ 6, followed by two episodes of Fox’s just full season-renewed ‘Til Death (original and repeat) at a 3.2/ 5 in each half-hour. Now that Fox has given ‘Til Death a vote of confidence, how about axing Sunday’s sophomore The War at Home and positioning the more worthy ‘Til Death out of Family Guy?

CBS’ CSI took the top spot in the overnights at 9 p.m., with a 15.3/22 versus a 14.3/21 for ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy. Once the fast nationals are released (and posted you know where – www.pifeedback.com), expect CSI to rule in total viewers with Grey’s Anatomy No. 1 among adults 18-49. As a basis of comparison, CSI on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005) averaged a considerably beefier 19.5/28 in the overnights, while a 9 p.m. edition of ABC’s Primetime Live was almost invisible at a 4.4/ 6.

Over at NBC, the Thursday debut of sitcom 30 Rock fell flat, with a 45-minute edition at a distant third-place 3.7/ 5 from 9:15-10 p.m. Comparably, that declined from lead-in The Office by a significant 29 percent in rating and three share points. More importantly, let’s wait and see how much it dropped among adults 18-49.

Fourth in the overnights at 9 p.m. was the CW’s Supernatural (2.7/ 4), followed by Fox’s The O.C. at a last-place 2.4/ 3. Yes, folks, it is over, finite, kaput for The O.C.

At 10 p.m., CBS’ Shark ranked first in the overnights with a 10.6/17 (31 percent below lead-in CSI – hence its absence from the winner’s listing), but ABC was in the game courtesy of special Barbara Walters: 30 Mistakes in 30 Years, part one, at a solid 10.1/16. Compared to a repeat of Desperate Housewives one week earlier (6.7/11 in the overnights on Nov. 9), this was an improvement of a considerable 51 percent in rating and five share points. Part two of the Barbara Walters special airs tonight at 10 p.m.

Although NBC’s ER was third in the overnights with a below-average 8.8/14, expect the veteran medical drama to still dominate once the fast nationals are released.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

RakuMon

11-17-2006, 03:12 PM

One more note about SV's ratings:

Also at 8 p.m. was the CW’s Smallville at a fourth-place 4.76 million viewers and a 2.0/ 5 among adults 18-49

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/30210902/p/1

thebigtree95

11-17-2006, 05:50 PM

from TVGuide -- Smallville (with 4.77 million total viewers) was up about 300,000 week-to-week, while Supernatural held steady at 3.2 mil.

Cmill216

11-17-2006, 10:35 PM

Fourth in the overnights at 9 p.m. was the CW’s Supernatural (2.7/ 4), followed by Fox’s The O.C. at a last-place 2.4/ 3. Yes, folks, it is over, finite, kaput for The O.C.

*does a happy dance*

Kaboom

11-18-2006, 12:05 AM

just a general question, what is the number one show out there right now in terms of total viewership?

Cmill216

11-18-2006, 12:15 AM

just a general question, what is the number one show out there right now in terms of total viewership?

I wanna say Desperate Housewives. Grey's Anatomy and CSI are raping each other's ratings. :wow:

Kaboom

11-18-2006, 12:24 AM

you think sv re-uses plots, think about csi. theres three of them, and theyre all the same show.

RakuMon

11-18-2006, 11:03 AM

I wanna say Desperate Housewives. Grey's Anatomy and CSI are raping each other's ratings. :wow:
I'm pretty sure the biggest show of the season is Dancing w/ the Stars. The numbers have been so potent that ABC is considering putting it up against American Idol next year.

Serene

11-18-2006, 11:39 AM

you think sv re-uses plots, think about csi. theres three of them, and theyre all the same show.

I've never watched an entire episode of CSI. Isn't there like one for every major city now?

Pretty much every woman I know - socially and professionally - watches Gray's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives. I used to watch Gray's... but quit.. and I tried D.H. It sucks like a Hoover. I don't get it.

04nbod

11-18-2006, 01:51 PM

i hate desperate housewives and have yet to see greys anatomy. That girl from roswell's in it- should be interesting

KalKai

11-22-2006, 04:11 AM

FROM 11/13/06 THROUGH 11/19/06 (http://abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=112106_06)

1) America's Next Top Model -- 4.71 M
2) Smallville -- 4.70 M
3) Gilmore Girls -- 4.51 M
4) 7th Heaven -- 4.51 M
5) Reba -- 4.34 M
6) Friday Night Smackdown -- 4.21 M
7) Reba-SUN -- 3.69 M
8) Everybody Hates Chris -- 3.22 M
9) Supernatural -- 3.16 M
10) One Tree Hill -- 3.15 M
11) Girlfriends -- 2.98 M
12) Veronica Mars -- 2.69 M
13) The Game -- 2.43 M
14) America's Next Top Model-ENC -- 1.83 M

The Incredible Hulk

11-22-2006, 09:51 AM

who are the 4.71 people who still watch ANTM??? SHOW YOURSELVES!!!

Cmill216

11-22-2006, 10:23 AM

3.16 for Supernatural? That's so low. :(

avidreader

11-22-2006, 04:21 PM

Look at Reba. Bad girl Dawn Ostroff, bad girl.

Brainiac 8

11-22-2006, 04:23 PM

i hate desperate housewives and have yet to see greys anatomy. That girl from roswell's in it- should be interesting

Roswell was a great show. :up:

04nbod

11-22-2006, 06:18 PM

^^totally agree

Kaboom

11-22-2006, 10:30 PM

i watch greys

Serene

11-22-2006, 10:34 PM

3.16 for Supernatural? That's so low. :(

I'd be very sad if Supernatural doesn't make it. That show gets better every week. This season has been great so far.

Kaboom

11-22-2006, 10:42 PM

Serene

11-22-2006, 10:51 PM

its going against greys. it doesnt have ashot in its time slot. anything in that slot is going to lose, so itll probbaly come down to budget. put a cheap show in the time slot to bring down the margin
True, it hasn't a chance in hell of winning it's time slot, but hopefully it's fulfilling an advertising niche for the CW.. at least, enough to warrant keeping it.

Kaboom

11-22-2006, 11:03 PM

i cnfess ive never seen an episode

AgentPat

11-24-2006, 12:22 AM

who are the 4.71 people who still watch ANTM??? SHOW YOURSELVES!!!LOL! What gets me is that it beat out SV by a lousy 10k in viewership. :rolleyes:

Ah vell.

But hey, as long as it hugs the top three slots on the CW sked, it's probably "safe." Unless somebody gets hit by a bus in a boardroom somewhere, I'm hopeful a seventh season will be ordered come the spring. Barring bizarre or extenuating circumstances, they'd be stupid not to.

Serene

11-24-2006, 12:43 AM

who are the 4.71 people who still watch ANTM??? SHOW YOURSELVES!!!

Um.. I know a LOT of girls who watch that show.

I might have seen an ep or two myself. :O

AgentPat

11-24-2006, 12:47 AM

Um.. I know a LOT of girls who watch that show.

I might have seen an ep or two myself. :OLOL! The truth shall set ye free. :D

I've never watched the skein. Does it skew mostly women demos? Ida thunk it would attract male viewers too, if just for the eye candy. :hyper:

Serene

11-24-2006, 12:55 AM

LOL! The truth shall set ye free. :D

I've never watched the skein. Does it skew mostly women demos? Ida thunk it would attract male viewers too, if just for the eye candy. :hyper:
I think there are VERY few males that could watch that show for more than a few minutes. I can't take it most of the time, but my daughter loves it, so I sometimes get hooked into wanting to see which one of the skeletal bimbos is going to get kicked off at the end of the show.

It really is lame, but my daughter wants to model, so she loves the photoshoots and girly drama.

AgentPat

11-24-2006, 01:02 AM

I think there are VERY few males that could watch that show for more than a few minutes. I can't take it most of the time, but my daughter loves it, so I sometimes get hooked into wanting to see which one of the skeletal bimbos is going to get kicked off at the end of the show.

It really is lame, but my daughter wants to model, so she loves the photoshoots and girly drama.Oh, MAN! I am sooooo not into that kind of show. It burns just *thinking* about watching a show like that LOLOL!!!

avidreader

11-24-2006, 08:18 PM

LOL! The truth shall set ye free. :D

I've never watched the skein. Does it skew mostly women demos? Ida thunk it would attract male viewers too, if just for the eye candy. :hyper:

San Diego supposedly has one of the highest 18-34 male ratings in the country, and the only CW posters that you see around town here are for Gilmore Girls, Top Model and Veronica Mars. So I guess they are shooting for the girls.

Docker2.0

11-25-2006, 09:51 PM

3.16 for Supernatural? That's so low. :(
I use to watch that show but it has kind of died on me. The only show I watch on CW now is Smallville and occassionally Smackdown. I'm goin to try Supernatural this thursday and give it another chance.

triplet

11-26-2006, 02:42 AM

I use to watch that show but it has kind of died on me. The only show I watch on CW now is Smallville and occassionally Smackdown. I'm goin to try Supernatural this thursday and give it another chance.

Oh, I love Supernatural! It's one of three shows I must watch each week, although with my sked I sometimes have to watch it several days later... I never miss it.

I'll miss House or Medium or Lost and not mind it too much, but I'll never miss Smallville, Supernatural or Hereos. They are my only must sees every week.

RakuMon

11-26-2006, 04:14 AM

triplet

11-26-2006, 07:25 AM

"Hereos?" Isn't that, like, Martian Manhunter's favorite cookie or something?

;)

:p

LOL!

Cmill216

11-26-2006, 05:51 PM

Oh, I love Supernatural! It's one of three shows I must watch each week, although with my sked I sometimes have to watch it several days later... I never miss it.

I'll miss House or Medium or Lost and not mind it too much, but I'll never miss Smallville, Supernatural or Hereos. They are my only must sees every week.

I personally think Supernatural is a FAR more consistent series than Smallville. Occassionally you'll get a lame episode where the general A-plot is pretty lame, but the acting and overall look of the episode still manages to do a good enough job, unlike in SV where you'll get an episode like "Static" which makes you want to vomit.

Serene

11-26-2006, 07:57 PM

I personally think Supernatural is a FAR more consistent series than Smallville. Occassionally you'll get a lame episode where the general A-plot is pretty lame, but the acting and overall look of the episode still manages to do a good enough job, unlike in SV where you'll get an episode like "Static" which makes you want to vomit.

To be fair though.. SPN is a much smaller scale show as far as main casting goes. SV has a lot of characters to serve and it has the added difficulty of the ever-looming DC mythology to cater to as well.

SPN can be seen as a bit formulaic as well if you consider the one constant running storyline of the demons and the brothers, and then you always have the COTW (Creature of the Week. :D).

I love it though. I was worried it would get stale after last season, but it's really improved a lot this season. With just the two main leads, they really get much deeper into their individual psyches and relationship.

Oh, and I love the scary, gory stuff too. :up:

The Incredible Hulk

11-26-2006, 08:41 PM

I havent seen an episode of Supernatural since the Pilot. Just can't get into it.

triplet

11-26-2006, 08:47 PM

Cmill216

11-26-2006, 09:33 PM

It's a totally different dynamic and it does have its own share of stinkers.

The clown one (Everybody Loves a Clown)? Yikes...

I thought that was barely watchable. No show is perfect...

Well that's what I'm saying. You get an episode like that and it's simply way too generic and not all that interesting of an A-plot. However, then you've got the Ellen/Jo stuff introduced, as well as Dean starting to reach a boiling point, and for me you still have a decent enough episode.

However, we get episodes of SV with huge gaps in logic and continuity, Super Jimmy (;)), and wasted guest stars.

What I will say, though, is that when SV is good, it's good. (ex: "Zod" or "Arrow")

RakuMon

12-01-2006, 02:01 PM

I know we don't usually post repeat ratings, but I thought Smallville's numbers last night were pretty darn impressive. Has a Smallville repeat ever netted 3 million viewers (a first run Veronica Mars would kill for those viewers!)? Considering the Thursday at 8 compettition, I'd say Smallville's looking pretty good.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/15510322/p/1

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 11/30/06

Note: The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 16.49 million, CBS: 13.93, NBC: 10.41, Fox: 4.21, CW: 2.87

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.9 rating/15 share, NBC: 4.7/12, CBS: 4.4/11, Fox: 1.8/ 4, CW: 1.1/ 3

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI R (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Honorable Mention:
My Name is Earl (NBC), The Office (NBC)

-Could Be Better/Could Be Worse:
Men In Trees (ABC)

-Disappointing:
Scrubs (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
‘Til Death (Fox), 30 Rock (NBC), The O.C. (Fox)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
With two-thirds of CBS’ schedule in repeats, ABC took sole control of Thursday, beating the No. 2 network (CBS in total viewers, NBC among adults 18-49) by 2.56 million viewers and 26 percent among adults 18-49. Fox’s The O.C. remains the fastest collapsing show in prime time, while the CW was in repeats last night.

CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands (which is finally worth watching, by the way) opened with a dominant 15.54 million viewers and a 5.3 rating/14 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. As good as that is, however, keep in mind that Survivor: Guatemala on the year-ago evening (Dec. 1, 2005) was considerably heftier at 19.81 million viewers and a 7.1/19 among adults 18-49. Is there some way for CBS to keep the franchise fresh?

ABC and NBC tied for the No. 2 and 3 spots in the 8 p.m. hour. ABC’s Ugly Betty was second in total viewers (13.33 million) and third among adults 18-49 (4.1/11); NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl and The Office were third in total viewers (Earl: 10.03 million, The Office: 9.70 million) and second in the demo (Earl: 4.3/12, The Office: 4.6/11 – tied with the second half of Ugly Betty).

Capping off the 8 p.m. hour were two episodes (original and repeat) of Fox dud ‘Til Death (8 p.m.: Viewers: 4.77 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5 – 8:30 p.m. Viewers: 4.78 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5), and a repeat of the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: 3.13 million; A18-49: 1.2/ 3).

ABC led the 9 p.m. hour with ease courtesy of a hefty 24.27 million viewers and a 9.6/23 among adults 18-49 for Grey’s Anatomy. Second was a repeat of CBS’ CSI at a still solid 15.88 million viewers and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49. In season-premiere news, NBC’s veteran Scrubs returned with a lackluster (and distant third-place) 8.45 million viewers and a 3.9/ 9 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that trailed lead-in The Office by 1.25 million viewers and 15 percent among adults 18-49. Recently relocated 30 Rock took a major tumble at 9:30 p.m., meanwhile, with just 6.56 million viewers and a 3.0/ 7 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that trailed lead-in Scrubs by 1.89 million viewers and 23 percent in the demo. Hopefully, Tina Fey kept her ties to Saturday Night Live open.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was Fox’s begging to be canceled The O.C. (Viewers: 3.65 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4) and a repeat of the CW”s Supernatural (Viewers: 2.62 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 2). One year earlier, The O.C. on Thursday, Dec. 1, 2005 averaged 5.90 million viewers and a 2.7/ 7 in the demo at 8 p.m.

At 10 p.m., NBC’s veteran ER won the hour with 13.86 million viewers and a 6.0/16 among adults 18-49. Although that’s a decline of 1.58 million viewers and 12 percent in the demo from it’s year-ago delivery (Viewers: 15.44 million; A18-49: 6.8/18 on Dec. 1, 2005), it’s also an improvement over lead-in 30 Rock of 7.30 million viewers and 100 percent in the demo. In other words, ER was a “winner” again last night.

In time period-premiere news, the positive way to look at ABC’s Men in Trees was an improved 11.85 million viewers and a 4.0/10 among adults 18-49, and a second-place finish ahead of a repeat of CBS’ Shark (Viewers: #3, 10.36 million; A18-49: #3, 2.8/ 7). It was also up over the final performance of former occupant Six Degrees (Viewers: 7.40 million; A18-49: 3.1/ 8 on Thursday, Nov. 2, 2006) by 4.45 million viewers and 29 percent in the demo. But, if you really want to look at Men In Trees on Thursday realistically, retention out of lead-in Grey’s Anatomy was just 49 percent in total viewers and 42 percent among adults 18-49, and erosion in the second half-hour was 2.41 million viewers (13.06 to 10.65 million) and 24 percent in the demo (4.5/11 to 3.4/ 9). So, consider this a mixed start for Men in Trees Thursday at 10 p.m.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Brainiac 8

12-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Not bad.

Captivated

12-01-2006, 03:04 PM

Cmill216

12-01-2006, 03:06 PM

Brainiac 8

12-01-2006, 03:07 PM

The Incredible Hulk

12-01-2006, 03:10 PM

RakuMon

12-01-2006, 03:56 PM

Sorta on topic... Seems to me Smallville deserves MUCH better than it gets.

Speaking from experience, I never tuned into Smallville before last month... most likely because it was on the WB (CW, whatever) network and I had a negative assumption working about it's programming. I "discovered" SV when my boss recommended it and I rented the first season. I was totally hooked and now OWN Seasons 1 - 5 on DVD.

So here is a show that I had never watched -into it's 6th season - that I now can't miss! I'm sure there are others like me that just don't have a clue what they are missing. What is wrong with this picture!? :csad:
Interesting. If you have the time, head on over to this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257805) and let me know what you think. We kind of got into a discussion about "casual viewers" coming over to Smallville and getting hooked. My contention is that a more serialized, over-arching approach to the plot wouldn't be a turn-off to the casual viewer.

Since you (and cmill) are recent convertors, I wonder what your take on it is. Did the standalone FOTW eps help you get into the show, or did you prefer the more serialized aspect of it (the Key, the Caves, the Crystals, etc.)

Captivated

12-01-2006, 08:05 PM

Interesting. If you have the time, head on over to this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257805) and let me know what you think. We kind of got into a discussion about "casual viewers" coming over to Smallville and getting hooked. My contention is that a more serialized, over-arching approach to the plot wouldn't be a turn-off to the casual viewer.

Since you (and cmill) are recent convertors, I wonder what your take on it is. Did the standalone FOTW eps help you get into the show, or did you prefer the more serialized aspect of it (the Key, the Caves, the Crystals, etc.)
I don't know if I'm a good judge... I just know how I usually respond to other shows that are intensely built one upon another (24, LOST, etc)... if I miss the beginning I think, I have to get caught up before I dive in. And if I miss an episode or two I quit and wait for the season to be released on DVD so it doesn't get spoiled. But that's just me (and ironically I've YET to complete a season of either one of those shows, or buy them on DVD, although I meant to).

However, I do love Prison Break and set the recorder to make sure I don't miss an episode... and once hooked on a show I guess that's possible. But I wonder if the sense of missing too much would hinder some people who can't watch every show.

With Smallville I started with season 1 on DVD so there was no missing... in fact, I may be one of the few fans of the show who has watched EVERY episode IN ORDER. :yay:

I liked season 1 (after I just relaxed and accepted the whole "meteor rock phenomenon")... that each show had a story that got resolved. BUT the continuing subplots were very important... the character development and relationships that grew and changed. And later when these subplots became more complicated and major storylines took up several episodes... that was interesting too.

RakuMon

12-06-2006, 08:31 AM

Looks like CW had its best ratings week of the fall season. Unfortunately, it was a during a week that Smallville was in repeats. Let's hope "Subterranean" can ride the momentum to some good numbers tomorrow night:

From Variety:

CW posts best week yet
'The Office' hits a season high
By RICK KISSELL, RICK KISSELL

Strong showings Monday and Sunday bookended NBC's week as the Peacock notched its second demo victory of the season.

While "Sunday Night Football" and Monday's "Deal or No Deal" and "Heroes" were all big contributors, the net also saw its Thursday comedies and Friday's "Las Vegas" produce.

NBC delivered year-to-year demo gains for the sixth straight week and is up 12% in adults 18-49 through 11 weeks of the season; its rivals are all down by single-digit percentages, according to Nielsen estimates. It was also a good week for the CW, as the newbie net established highs thanks to fall-best ratings for its core skeins.

Overall for the Nov. 27-Dec. 3 frame, the Peacock's 3.7 rating/10 share in adults 18-49 bested ABC (3.5/9), CBS (3.4/9) and Fox (3.2/9), with the latter more competitive than usual thanks to football coverage on its winning Sunday. The CW and Univision tied for fifth (1.5/4).

CBS led in adults 25-54 for the 10th time this season (4.4/11), edging out NBC (4.3/10), while Fox edged out the balanced Peacock for the lead in viewers 12-34 (2.8/9 to 2.7/8).

CBS ruled in total viewers (11.8 million), extending its season-opening winning streak to 11 weeks.

For NBC, "Heroes" (6.8 rating/16 share in adults 18-49, 15.56 million viewers overall) led the way, ranking as the No. 3 show on television in the 18-49 demo -- trailing only ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" and Fox's "House." Show's delivery was its second-best to date.

"Deal or No Deal" also dominated its Monday hour (5.3/13, 17.70m), and the net closed the week with another top-10 finish from "Sunday Night Football" (5.6/14, 15.42m).

Also of note was the net's good showing Thursday with the return of a four-comedy lineup.

"The Office" (4.4/11 in 18-49, 9.07m) hit a season high, building on lead-in "My Name Is Earl" (4.1/11, 9.49m), and "Scrubs" (3.6/9, 7.72m) held up opposite tough competish at 9 with its season premiere. At 9:30, "30 Rock" (2.7/7, 5.97m) did OK.

"ER" led its Thursday hour (5.8/15, 13.36m), and "Las Vegas" hit a season high Friday with a two-hour seg (3.2/10, 10.16m).

The CW delivered its best week yet in adults 18-34 (1.8/5) and total viewers (3.8 million), thanks to some strong perfs on the closing night of sweeps.

Driving the strong week were fall highs for the Tuesday combo of "Gilmore Girls" (2.2/6 in 18-49, 4.89m) and "Veronica Mars" (1.6/4, 3.44m). "Veronica," a third-year drama that had aired previously on UPN, delivered its best ratings ever in adults 18-34 (2.0/5).

There also were season bests on Wednesday for "America's Next Top Model" (2.8/8, 5.73m) and "One Tree Hill" (1.8/5, 4.15m), with the former WB skein logging its best numbers in two seasons.

Net also was high with its Monday laffers, Friday's "WWE Smackdown" (1.5/4 in 18-49, 4.72m) and Sunday's "7th Heaven" (1.6/4, 4.23m).

At ABC, highlights included Thursday's "Grey's Anatomy" (9.5/23 in 18-49, 24.01m), the week's No. 1 primetime program in most categories. Net also was solid on the night at 8 with "Ugly Betty" (4.1/11, 13.02m) and was above average at 10 with "Men in Trees" (3.8/10, 11.34m), making its new-slot debut.

Friday's network preem of "The Polar Express" was a big draw (4.1/12 in 18-49, 13.21m), delivering the best numbers for a theatrical movie on broadcast television since February 2004 ("Shrek" on NBC). Pic did a big 6.4/20 in kids and won in most key ratings categories.

Also, Monday's "Wife Swap" (3.4/9 in 18-49, 8.87m) and "The Bachelor: Rome" (3.9/9, 9.85m) hit season highs, and Tuesday's airing of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" (4.8/13, 13.01m) was a winner. Its lead-out, comedy "Big Day," didn't do much in its premiere, though (2.8/7, 7.55m).

CBS was paced by "CSI: Miami" (5.7/14 in 18-49, 17.13m), "Survivor" (5.4/14, 15.63m) and "CSI: NY" (5.2/14, 17.92m). Also performing above average were "CSI: NY" Wednesday skedmates "Jericho" (3.1/9 in 18-49, 10.25m for its fall finale) and "Criminal Minds" (5.0/13, 17.92m).

And Tuesday's "NCIS" (4.1/11 in 18-49, 17.96m) hit season highs in both adults 25-54 (5.8/14) and total viewers, ranking as the No. 2 program of the week in the latter.

Fox benefited from the concluding 25 minutes of coverage for the late-afternoon Dallas Cowboys-New York Giants game (11.4/33 in 18-49), as the contest averaged 27.6 million viewers overall, making it the week's most watched program. Also Sunday, an 8 o'clock half-hour spec detailing the college football bowl matchups notched a solid 5.4/14 in 18-49.

Entertainment series standouts for the net were "House" (6.9/17, 17.30m), which hit a fall high, and "Prison Break" (4.0/10, 9.62m), which was above average with its fall finale.

ESPN led the primetime cable ratings race thanks to "Monday Night Football" (5.2/13 in 18-49, 12.70m for Seahawks-Packers), while TNT original movie "The Librarian: Return to King Solomon" (2.2/5, 6.17m) was the week's No. 2 cablecast.

Of note on Saturday was Hallmark Channel's original movie "The Christmas Card" (0.8/3 in 18-49, 4.27m), which logged the largest overall aud to date for the net and was the day's most-watched cable program.

On Sunday, ABC Family got its "25 Days of Christmas" off to the best start in its nine-year history thanks to the premiere of "Harry Potter & the Prisoner of Azkaban" (1.0/3 in 18-49, 2.83m). Pic propelled the net to its highest-rate day to date in key demos and total viewers.

And on Monday of the current week, TNT's special two-hour seg of drama "The Closer" drew a sizable 5.44 million viewers.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117955128.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

RakuMon

12-06-2006, 09:59 AM

Yahoo released its top searches for 2006, and Smallville made the Top Ten in the TV category:

Top 10 TV Show Searches
1American Idol
2Lost
3Days of Our Lives
4Family Guy
5Deal or No Deal
6Grey's Anatomy
7The Simpsons
8Dancing With the Stars
9Smallville
10South Park

http://buzz.yahoo.com/topsearches2006/lists/

Brainiac 8

12-06-2006, 10:24 AM

Days of our Lives. :down :cmad:

04nbod

12-06-2006, 01:35 PM

nice to no i conributed to something important this year... thanks yahoo

heliorei

12-06-2006, 04:02 PM

I can only imagine the type of hit Smallville would be if WB actually sold it to NBC back in 2001. Back when it was screening the pilot, NBC made a big time offer for the show but WB wouldnt deal because they wanted it to be the eventual flagship of the network after the Whedon shows.

WB/CW just dont do it justice with their respective promotions budgets.

I agree with you 100%. I don't live in U.S.A but I see other shows being seriously promoted like Heroes or 24.- Seeing trailers on youtube, heroes own personal site on NBC with interviews, etc.

And Smallville being their top series show on the most competetive night of the night, should more than sufficient reason to give promotion.

RakuMon

12-07-2006, 10:49 AM

Here's USA Today's report on the recent success of The CW. Again, this all happened while SV was in reruns.

New CW looks to find firmer footing
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
The new CW network is seeing renewed momentum after the fall launch proved a ratings disappointment.

When the network, which is a marriage of the now-shuttered WB and UPN, was in the planning stages last summer, executives were confident as they inherited the cream of its predecessors' crop with America's Next Top Model and Everybody Hates Chris joining the ranks of Gilmore Girls, Veronica Mars and 7th Heaven.

"We're hoping one plus one will equal three," CW and former UPN president Dawn Ostroff said at the time. So far, it has equaled less than one: CW has fewer viewers than either WB or UPN did at this time last season, though the new network is up 6% from WB among its target audience of ages 18 to 34.

But last week, Veronica earned its highest ratings ever among that younger group, One Tree Hill had its best showing in nearly a year, and Friday Night Smackdown and top-rated Top Model scored season highs. All four shows have made slight gains over last fall.

"The dust is starting to settle," Ostroff says, noting that many viewers had to find the programs on a new channel. The network is optimistic it could earn a profit this year, following years of combined losses at WB and UPN.

"There were so many elements to putting this network on the map. To expect it to start off (strongly) right away was unrealistic," she says.

She attributes the growth to viewers gradually finding the shows, but the gains also coincide with weaker competition as ABC's Dancing With the Stars ended its season and repeats elsewhere crept in.

"They're probably not doing as well as they wanted to or expected to," says Carat USA media-buying chief Andrew Donchin. "Admittedly, progress is slow, but they're headed in the right direction."

Says Starcom Media research director Sam Armando: "Clearly, this year is about CW building a brand (rather than) a programming lineup that will significantly build an audience. That's why you saw two new programs as opposed to five or six. But now the onus is on developing (new) programs."

Beauty and the Geek, WB's successful reality series, returns Jan. 3; in March, look for reality series The Search for the Next Pussycat Doll and Hidden Palms, a teen drama from Kevin Williamson (Dawson's Creek).

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-12-06-CW-cover_x.htm

RakuMon

12-08-2006, 12:33 PM

Last night's "dissappointing" ratings:

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 12/07/06

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 18.34 million, NBC: 9.87, ABC: 9.21, Fox: 4.71, CW: 3.84

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 5.9 rating/15 share, NBC: 4.4/12, ABC: 3.1/ 8, Fox: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), CSI (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
My Name Is Earl (NBC), ER (NBC)

-Disappointing:
Smallville (CW), Supernatural (CW)

-Up But Far From Safe for Renewal:
‘Til Death (Fox), The O.C. (Fox)

-Ratings Breakdown:
With Ugly Betty and Grey’s Anatomy in repeats, dominant CBS stood tall with an advantage over ABC of 8.47 million viewers and 34 percent among adults 18-49. NBC moved into second in adults 18-49, while Fox and the CW finished both categories in the distant No. 4 and 5 spots, respectively.

CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands (which, sadly, lost villain Jonathan last night) opened on a winning note, with 16.61 million viewers and a 5.5 rating/15 share among adults 18-49. Facing a repeat of ABC’s Ugly Betty (Viewers: #3, 8.73 million; A18-49: #3, 2.7/ 7) did not fuel too much extra interest in the aging, but still potent, reality/competition. For comparative purposes, Survivor: Guatemala on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Dec. 8, 2005) averaged 20.21 million viewers and a 7.1/19 in the demo. For those watching this edition of Survivor, how long do you really think the “romance” between Adam and Candice will last?

Over at NBC, two original episodes of My Name Is Earl averaged an improved 10.06 million viewers with a 4.3/12 among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Two episodes of Fox’s struggling ‘Til Death (repeat and original) had a slight advantage over the CW’s fading Smallville in total viewers (‘Til Death: 4.81 million, Smallville: 4.48 million). Both were tied among adults 18-49, with a 1.8/ 5 in the demo.

At 9 p.m., an original installment of CBS’ CSI (Viewers: #1, 23.72 million, A18-49: #1, 7.9/19) outdelivered a repeat of Grey’s Anatomy on ABC (Viewers: #2, 10.50 million, A18-49: #2, 4.0/10) by a hefty 13.22 million viewers and 97 percent among adults 18-49. Comparably, however, this was still a loss for CSI over it’s year-ago performance (Viewers: 30.95 million, A18-49: 10.6/25 on Dec. 8, 2005) of 7.23 million viewers and 97 percent among adults 18-49.

Although NBC’s Scrubs at 9 p.m. deserves brownie points for 91 percent retention among adults 18-49 out of the 8:30 p.m. installment of lead-in My Name is Earl, 30 Rock at 9:30 p.m. remains the weakest link. Take a look:

NBC/Thursday
8:30 p.m. My Name Is Earl
Viewers: 10.45 million (#2), A18-49: 4.5/12 (#2)

9:00 p.m. Scrubs
Viewers: 8.43 million (#3), A18-49: 4.1/10 (#2)

9:30 p.m. 30 Rock
Viewers: 6.80 million (#3), A18-49: 3.2/ 8 (#3)

To the folks heating up the chat room last room trying to defend 30 Rock, now you really have some splainin’ to do!

Fox’s competing The O.C. perked up, with a fourth-place 4.61 million viewers and a 1.9/ 5 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that built from it’s week-ago performance (Viewers: 3.67 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4 on Nov. 30, 2006) by 940,000 viewers and 19 percent among adults 18-49. But last year at this time an original installment of The O.C. in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour scored a considerably heftier 5.88 million viewers and a 2.7/ 7 in the demo.

Capping off the hour was the CW’s Supernatural at 3.20 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49. Comparably, retention for Supernatural out of Smallville was 71 percent in total viewers and 72 percent among adults 18-49.

At 10 p.m., CBS’ Shark and NBC’s ER shared leadership, with Shark at 14.71 million viewers (#1) and a 4.3/12 among adults 18-49 (#2); and ER at 11.94 million viewers (#2) and a 5.4/14 among adults 18-49 (#1). Comparably, that was a loss for Shark out of CSI of 9.01 million viewers and 46 percent among adults 18-49. On the flipside was ER building from 30 Rock by 5.15 million viewers and 69 percent in the demo.

Without the benefit of an original episode of Grey’s Anatomy, week two of ABC’s competing Men In Trees dipped to a last-place finish in both total viewers (8.39 million) and adults 18-49 (2.7/ 7). One week earlier, Men In Trees debuted in the hour with 11.34 million viewers and a 3.8/10 among adults 18-49. On a more optimistic note for Men In Trees was improved retention of 80 percent in total viewers and 68 percent among adults 18-49 out of the Grey’s Anatomy second-run.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/63410232

04nbod

12-08-2006, 12:44 PM

with all the confusion i'm not surprised- plus the fact the episode was floating between static and hydro

Brainiac 8

12-08-2006, 01:11 PM

That's it. I know many people who watch Smallville that had no idea it was on last night, and now my vhs is getting passed around between people.

Word of mouth should help the show with the Justice League coming up.:woot:

avidreader

12-15-2006, 02:28 PM

With the winter hiatus in force, and not much to talk about in the ratings here, I thought I'd share the ratings that Smallville does in Australia. I often keep an eye on this, just to check its popularity there. Originally they were running it on Thursday nights and it was up against some tough competition, but they moved it to Friday nights and it seems to be doing really well in that time slot. They're also throwing in an extra episode on Monday nights over the Christmas Holiday break.

You're gonna laugh at the numbers when you compare it to America, but they are good numbers when you consider Australia has 20,000,000 people as opposed to the 200 odd million people here in the U.S.

Summer has begun and Smallville has been given an additional timeslot at Monday 7.30, but how has its ratings been fairing up?
When Smallville first returned to channel 10 in late October, its ratings were hovering around 600,000 viewers and strugling to win in any key demographic. But since the premiere of Season 5 Smallville ratings have dramatically improved, winning the all important 16-39 age group with in its time slot, and last week even won the 18-49 age group which is a huge achievement for Smallville.
Season 5 Premiere 7.30 Friday
TOTAL PEOPLE: 812,000
16-39: 36.6%
18-49: 32.6%
13-17: 54.9%
16-24: 48.7%
NINE: 1,023,000 (16-39 31.6%) (18-49 32.2%)
SEVEN: 1,183,000 (16-39 31.8%) (18-49 35.1%)
First Episode to Air Monday 7.30
TOTAL PEOPLE: 781,000
16-39: 33.3%
18-49: 29.5%
16-24: 41.5%
13-17: 45.2%
50+: 12.6%
NINE: 1,236,000 (16-39 38.6%) (18-49 42.2%) (50+ 48.8%)
SEVEN: 887,000 (16-39 28.2%) (18-49 28.3%) (50+ 38.6%)
A little disapointing, not winning any demographics
Last Friday 8th of December
Total People: 787,000
16-39: 45.3%
18-49: 39.6%
13-17: 69.2%
16-24: 55.3%
50+: 12.1%
NINE: 790,000 (16-39 24.1%) (18-49 26.1%)
SEVEN: 860,000 (30.6%) (34.3%)
Massive wins in 16-39 and 18-49 in its timeslot also coming 11th for the night in total people.
Last Monday 11th of December
TOTAL PEOPLE: 825,000
16-39: 38.5%
18-49: 34.9%
13-17: 63.2%
16-24: 52.9%
50+: 17.8%
NINE: 905,000 (16-39 34.8%) (18-49 36.4%)
SEVEN: 753,000 (16-39 26.7%) (18-49 28.7%)
Another Timeslot win in 16-39

http://users.bigpond.net.au/butross/news.htm

triplet

12-15-2006, 02:54 PM

avidreader

12-15-2006, 03:18 PM

Cool, good to know it's doing well now that it's back on down under.

I wonder if last year's awesomeness with James Marsters as Fine has anything to do with the season doing better down there?

I wouldnt think so, Buffy wasnt that big a deal down there. I think its more to do with the fact that Seasons 1 to 4 were available on DVD, whereas Season 5 hasnt been released as yet.

triplet

12-15-2006, 04:18 PM

I wouldnt think so, Buffy wasnt that big a deal down there. I think its more to do with the fact that Seasons 1 to 4 were available on DVD, whereas Season 5 hasnt been released as yet.

I didn't watch Buffy at all, well--- maybe once or twice, so I barely knew who marsters was but his storyline was pure gold and he pulled off Fine so well that he was a pure pleasure to watch.

Well, I'm glad it's doing well, no matter what the cause....

:up:

RakuMon

12-15-2006, 04:36 PM

For what it's worth, Smallville's doing okay considering it's in reruns. 3 million ain't bad.
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/77410142

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 12/14/06

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 13.25 million, ABC: 8.21, NBC: 7.65, Fox: 4.40, CW: 2.64

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.0 rating/11 share, NBC: 3.4/10, ABC: 2.8/ 8, Fox: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.0/ 3

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), CSI R (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
‘Til Death (Fox), The War at Home (Fox), The O.C. (Fox), 30 Rock (NBC)

-Ratings Breakdown:
With more than half of the Thursday schedule in repeats, CBS dominated, beating the No. 2 network (ABC in total viewers, NBC among adults 18-49) by 5.04 million viewers and 18 percent in the demo. Opposite a repeat of ABC’s Ugly Betty, the second-to-last episode of CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands opened the evening with a winning 14.51 million viewers and a 5.0 rating/14 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Second was the one-hour holiday installment of NBC’s The Office at 8.48 million viewers and a 3.9/11 among adults 18-49. The Ugly Betty second-run was third at 8.13 million viewers and a 2.5/ 7 in the demo, followed by Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (Viewers: 4.77 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 6) and The War at Home (Viewers: 4.25 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5), which is being tested on Thursday. Obviously, that was a failing grade!

Last in the 8 p.m. hour was a repeat of the CW’s Smallville at 3.14 million viewers and a 1.2/ 3 among adults 18-49.

In the battle of the 9-10 p.m. repeats, the winning ball was in CBS’ court with CSI at 15.08 million viewers and a 4.3/12 among adults 18-49. Second was ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy second-run at 10.04 million viewers and a 3.7/10 in the demo. As expected, forensic crime solving dramas perform better than shows of a serialized nature in repeats.

Although an original episode of NBC’s Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 7.78 million, A18-49: #2, 3.8/10) managed to finish second among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m., an also original installment of 30 Rock sunk to 5.96 million viewers (#3) and a 2.9/ 8 in the demo at 9:30 p.m. Comparably, that put retention for 30 Rock out of Scrubs of 77 percent in total viewers and 76 percent among adults 18-49. Opposite repeats of CSI and Grey’s Anatomy that should have been better. Sorry fans of 30 Rock, but this is another losing performance.

Also at 9 p.m. was Fox’s fading The O.C. (Viewers: 4.29 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 6), and a repeat of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: 2.13 million, A18-49: 0.8/ 2). To the fans of The O.C. clinging to hope, yesterday’s performance was up by 40,000 viewers and 11 percent among adults 18-49 from lead-in The War at Home. But, realistically, this is still not good.

The networks were all in repeats at 10 p.m., with the results as follows:

Shark R (CBS)
Viewers: 10.15 million (#1), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)

ER R (NBC)
Viewers: 7.59 million (#2), A18-49: 3.0/ 9 (#1)

Men In Trees R (ABC)
Viewers:
Viewers: 6.47 million (#3), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#3)

Particularly disappointing for Men In Trees was erosion at 10:30 p.m. of 1.38 million viewers (7.16 to 5.78 million) and 22 percent among adults 18-49 (2.6/ 7 to 2.1/ 6).

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

avidreader

12-15-2006, 04:40 PM

That's something I've read in CW Press releases and such, is how well Smallville does for the network even with repeats.

Good to know the interest is kept up. They just need to start advertising the return of the new episodes during the repeats and not just at the end.

heliorei

12-17-2006, 07:25 AM

Did anyone get the results of the series fo the CW during the week the episode Subtarrenean was aired? I would like to see where Smallville was standing.

Kaboom

12-17-2006, 10:52 AM

i swear heli, youve been posting hee forever but only 145? lol

heliorei

12-17-2006, 11:29 AM

i swear heli, youve been posting hee forever but only 145? lol

Well, in the superherohype forums, I only post here at the Smallville forum: I first registered back in April 2004 when it began the famous casting wars about the upcoming Superman movie, back then.

But then i was "off" for a long time and only a year ago I began visiting these forums again and only recently I began posting here too.

This Smallville forum is actually the only one forum that we can all discuss Smallville and Clark Kent seriously and without the ships and constant bashing like it happens in other forums.

KalKai

12-20-2006, 12:34 PM

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/home-page-blog/inside-tv-ratings-and-predicti-2669.aspx

"Over at BuddyTV, we've created a system that we call our Fan Popularity Rankings. We get these ratings by calculating the amount of online traffic each program receives on our site. The internet is a great indicator of how popular a show really is and the potential it has as a franchise. Those likely to buy DVDs of a show are the same ones likely seek online information about it. They're the ones who will remain loyal, create fan sites, and watch reruns, among other things. Here are our Fan Popularity Rankings from December 4th through December 10th:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/FPRS.jpg

Smallville (http://www.buddytv.com/smallville.aspx) is my favorite example. Smallville is a show that you will never see on the Nielsen's Top 20. The appeal isn't that broad. However, it's viewers are about as loyal and internet savvy as you can get. Smallville typically ranks very high in the sales of their season DVDs amongst competitors. It's no wonder the show obtains such a high FPR."

Cmill216

12-20-2006, 12:37 PM

^ Nice to see Supernatural on that list.

Brainiac 8

12-20-2006, 12:44 PM

That's cool. Number four is not bad at all.

Four CW shows is really good. :up:

avidreader

12-20-2006, 01:01 PM

I think that's fantastic considering they're into Season 6. Those other shows above it, are first season, third season and I have no idea about Top Model and I dont think I want to. :ninja:

Billy Batson

12-20-2006, 01:21 PM

So Smallville still doing pretty good.?
I've stop watching. what 's the point?
I've move on to HEROES. #3 :oldrazz:

Brainiac 8

12-20-2006, 01:43 PM

They are both worth watching for different reasons.

I watch Smallville and Heroes.

avidreader

12-20-2006, 03:10 PM

So Smallville still doing pretty good.?
I've stop watching. what 's the point?
I've move on to HEROES. #3 :oldrazz:

Am I missing something? Arent you allowed to watch more than one TV show? :cwink:

Kaboom

12-20-2006, 04:09 PM

ATM at 1..........its Kaboom's first sign that the apocalypse might be nigh at hand.

Eddie Brock

12-20-2006, 05:33 PM

suprised to see ANTM at the top......i expected Lost to be in Top 2, Heroes fell where it should (if not higher)
SV is losing me....it just isn't the same SV as seasons 1, 2, 3, and 4
5 was a little iffy, but overall, great with all the Superman elements

04nbod

12-20-2006, 07:32 PM

its one hour of your week- hold on and it will be better.
i bet marvel are kicking themselves- how many years have people said do a live action x men series and people will watch- now heroes comes along with basically the same premise and is ratings gold.its a lesson for anyone in listening to the fans- and smallville should listen

Billy Batson

12-21-2006, 01:40 PM

Am I missing something? Arent you allowed to watch more than one TV show? :cwink:

:woot: no!
:cwink: Watching (two) too many shows with people who has powers, may make me a true believer! :spidey: I must stay grounded :csad:

its one hour of your week- hold on and it will be better.
i bet marvel are kicking themselves- how many years have people said do a live action x men series and people will watch- now heroes comes along with basically the same premise and is ratings gold.its a lesson for anyone in listening to the fans- and smallville should listen

:up:

AgentPat

01-05-2007, 11:27 PM

Did I miss this news in another thread somewhere? Nobody is talking about it?? :confused:

It's Official: The O.C. is history

THE SUN SETS ON "THE O.C." WHEN THE SERIES FINALE AIRS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, ON FOX

The sun will set for the last time on THE O.C. when the series ends its four-season run Thursday, Feb. 22 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. The countdown has begun, with all-original episodes airing from Thursday, Jan. 4 through the last episode on Feb. 22.

THE O.C. stars Peter Gallagher (Sandy Cohen), Kelly Rowan (Kirsten Cohen), Benjamin McKenzie (Ryan Atwood), Adam Brody (Seth Cohen), Melinda Clarke (Julie Cooper), Rachel Bilson (Summer Roberts), Autumn Reeser (Taylor Townsend) and Willa Holland (Autumn Reeser).

Set in Orange County, California, THE O.C. premiered in August 2003. It follows a group of friends and families whose lives were changed by the arrival of an outsider - Ryan Atwood - to their ocean-side community of Newport Beach.

THE O.C. revived the teen drama genre while including humorous and heartfelt adult storylines. Shortly after its summer premiere, THE O.C. was a pop culture phenomenon - its actors are household names and its indie music (and subsequent six soundtracks) and hip California wardrobe are sought-after in stores. The show's Newport Beach locale also has become a popular tourist attraction as fans visit the real locations featured in their favorite episodes.

"THE O.C. Season Four finale will also be the series finale. This feels like the best time to bring the show to its close," said Josh Schwartz, creator and executive producer of THE O.C. "Thanks to the hard work of our cast, crew and writers, we have enjoyed our best season yet, and what better time to go out than creatively on top. It has been an amazing experience and a great run. For a certain audience, at a certain time, THE O.C. has meant something. For that we are grateful."

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700015645&rssDate=12345678

This might hurt SN somewhat as more people might be interesting in seeing The O.C. before it ends its run.

Venom160

01-06-2007, 12:05 AM

^ Nice to see Supernatural on that list.agreed but I kinda wish it was alittle higher up on that list though.

bootspark

01-12-2007, 04:23 PM

Ratings for HYDRO....
5th place - 3.6/5 share

what is that? about 4.5 to 5 million viewers?

that means that JUSTICE will be huge... im predicting 6 to 7 million for next week

RakuMon

01-12-2007, 04:31 PM

Here's the whole shebang:

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 1/11/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.54 million, CBS: 9.97, NBC: 9.85, Fox: 4.15, CW: 3.92

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.7 rating/15 share, NBC: 4.4/11, CBS: 3.0/ 8, Fox: 1.8/ 7, CW: 1.7/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), My Name is Earl (NBC), The Office (NBC), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Smallville (CW)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Armed & Famous (CBS), ‘Til Death (Fox), The War at Home (Fox), The O.C. (Fox), Supernatural (CW), Men in Trees (ABC)

-Ratings Breakdown:
Opposite repeats of CBS’ CSI and Shark, ABC scored an easy Thursday victory, with an advantage over the No. 2 network (CBS in total viewers, NBC in adults 18-49) of 5.57 million viewers and 30 percent among adults 18-49. ABC’s Ugly Betty kicked-off the evening as the most-watched show in the 8 p.m. hour, but NBC’s My Name is Earl and The Office were No. 1 among key adults 18-49. Ugly Betty averaged 13.42 million viewers with a second-place 4.4/12 in the demo; while the NBC comedies rose to a season-high as follows:

8:00 p.m. My Name is Earl
Viewers: 10.90 million (#2), A18-49: 4.7/13 (#1)

8:30 p.m. The Office
Viewers: 10.18 million (#2), A18-49: 5.0/13 (#1)

Over at CBS, episode No. 2 of the ridiculous Armed & Famous (which I incorrectly referred to as Armed & Dangerous yesterday) finished third in both total viewers (7.81 million) and adults 18-49 (2.7/ 7). Comparably, Armed & Idiotic…oops, I mean Armed & Famous… debuted one night earlier with a similar 8.07 million viewers and a 2.9/ 8 in the demo.

Also at 8 p.m. was the CW’s healthy Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.62 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 5), and struggling Fox comedies ‘Til Death (Viewers: #4, 4.68 million; A18-49: #4t, 1.8/ 5) and The War at Home (Viewers: #5, 4.32 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5).

At 9 p.m., Grey’s Anatomy on ABC reigned supreme with 22.94 million viewers and a 9.3/22 among adults 18-49. Next was a repeat of CBS’ CSI (Viewers: #2, 11.87 million; A18-49: #2t, 3.4/ 8), and NBC comedies Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 7.82 million; A18-49: #2, 4.0/10) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #3, 6.06 million; A18-49: #3, 2.9/ 7). To demonstrate how weak 30 Rock is, take a look at the four NBC comedies and notice the erosion.

NBC/Thursday
8:00 p.m. My Name is Earl
Viewers: 10.90 million (#2), A18-49: 4.7/13 (#1)

8:30 p.m. The Office
Viewers: 10.18 million (#2), A18-49: 5.0/13 (#1)

9:00 p.m. Scrubs
Viewers: 7.82 million (#3), A18-49: 4.0/10 (#2)

9:30 p.m. 30 Rock
Viewers: 6.06 million (#3), A18-49: 2.9/ 7 (#3)

In other words, from 8 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. NBC dipped by 4.84 million viewers and 38 percent among adults 18-49. Is 30 Rock really a show worth keeping?

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was Fox’s soon-to-conclude The O.C. (Viewers: #4, 3.80 million; A18-49: #4, 1.7/ 4) and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.21 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). Sorry Supernatural, but retention of just 69 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49 out of Smallville (opposite the repeat of CSI) lands you in the loser’s circle for the first time this season.

NBC’s ER led the 10 p.m. hour with 12.06 million viewers and a 5.0/13 among adults 18-49, but to the analysts who consistently refer to the veteran medical drama as up in the ratings, the year-ago average was a considerably heftier 13.97 million viewers and a 6.2/16 in the demo. Isn’t it time to think of finally retiring ER?

Second at 10 p.m. was ABC’s Men in Trees (Viewers: 10.26 million; A18-49: 3.6/ 9), followed by a repeat of CBS’ Shark (Viewers: 10.21 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 8). As much as I am personally rooting for Men in Trees, retention of just 45 percent in total viewers and 39 percent among adults 18-49 out of Grey’s Anatomy, and erosion in the second half hour (Viewers: 11.48 to 9.03 million; A18-49: 4.1/11 to 3.0/ 8) is concerning and worthy of being labeled a loser.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/19910672

Cmill216

01-12-2007, 05:17 PM

the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.21 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). Sorry Supernatural, but retention of just 69 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49 out of Smallville (opposite the repeat of CSI) lands you in the loser’s circle for the first time this season.

Dang.

Serene

01-12-2007, 05:42 PM

^Bummer. :(

The Incredible Hulk

01-13-2007, 10:54 AM

I must admit I just just cant get into Supernatural, so I'm one of those 30% who isnt retained.

AgentPat

01-13-2007, 11:02 AM

Here's a few excerpts from Marc Berman's Pifeedback forum (MediaWeek):

Half-hour breakdowns (fast nationals) for SV and SN for 1/11/07:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.33 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.92 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.30 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.12 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3

SV's numbers increased to 4.684 million viewers. I'm not sure if those are the *finals* (including college and time shifting figures), but SV is in the Top Ten of delayed viewing - among ALL shows, ALL networks, not just the CW, so it might go up even further still. Maybe .2 ish.

Berman also pointed out that there will be a panel at the Winter Press Tour next week on Supernatural, which bodes well for it returning next season.

Eros

01-13-2007, 11:09 AM

they should just cancel supernatural, because that show is is neither scary nor interesting.

Spider-Gamer

01-13-2007, 11:13 AM

they should just cancel supernatural, because that show is is neither scary nor interesting.

I like the show, but I will admit I never once got scared by any episodes so far.

AgentPat

01-13-2007, 11:22 AM

they should just cancel supernatural, because that show is is neither scary nor interesting.I've never understood this mentality. I don't watch SN - tried to get into it but it just didn't do it for me. So I personally could give two hoots whether it lives or dies in the ratings. Likewise, if you don't find the show scary or interesting (I didn't, but other people DO), why not just flip the channel? :huh:

Cmill216

01-13-2007, 11:36 AM

I'm a huge fan of Supernatural. This season they haven't really tried to deliver the by-the-books scares and instead have focused more on the show's own internal mythology.

It's not one of those series, at this point, that you just hop into and completely gel with. You've gotta watch Season 1. And to be honest, I find it to be far more consistent than SV, though, SV has a lot more going on within its universe.

AgentPat

01-13-2007, 11:47 AM

Yeah, I watched the first couple of episodes and bits and pieces of the rest of the series (usually while posting here as the ep aired in the background LOL.) The only time I really turn around to *want* to see what's happening is when they play a cool piece of music. That's one thing SN has that I haven't found on any other show - they play Classic Heavy Rock! Wow! What a concept for today's tv. I mean... hello? Old Rush? WOW! :wow:

Eros

01-13-2007, 11:59 AM

I've never understood this mentality. I don't watch SN - tried to get into it but it just didn't do it for me. So I personally could give two hoots whether it lives or dies in the ratings. Likewise, if you don't find the show scary or interesting (I didn't, but other people DO), why not just flip the channel? :huh:

I dun watch the show anymore, because of the reaosns already stated. Hence why i think it should be canceled, now what part of that did you not follow?:huh:

avidreader

01-13-2007, 12:29 PM

I dun watch the show anymore, because of the reaosns already stated. Hence why i think it should be canceled, now what part of that did you not follow?:huh:

I think the question that she's asking is; why should the show be cancelled just because YOU dont like it? What about the other 3 and a half million people out there that do like it, dont their opinions count?

Wouldnt it be a more reasonable acton on your part to just change the channel.

AgentPat

01-13-2007, 12:44 PM

I dun watch the show anymore, because of the reasons already stated. Hence why i think it should be canceled, now what part of that did you not follow?:huh: The part where one individual's negative opinion of any show correlates with its need to be canceled.

This isn't the 50's anymore. The statement, "'Show X' sux, ergo it should be canceled," makes ZERO sense when there's hundreds of other alternatives to choose from in 'Show X's' time slot. Just because YOU don't like the show, it doesn't mean that other viewers agree with you or that the show should be canceled. If 'Show X' sucked in the public eye, everybody would flip the channel, the ratings would plummet, and the show *would* be canceled. But that doesn't seem to be the case right now, which is where the failure in logic arises, hence my confusion.

That better?

Serene

01-13-2007, 01:18 PM

I dun watch the show anymore, because of the reaosns already stated. Hence why i think it should be canceled, now what part of that did you not follow?:huh:
And yet you continue to come here to ***** at all of us about it... Really, if you don't even watch anymore, it's time to move on.

Curiouser and curiouser..

Serene

01-13-2007, 01:39 PM

I like the show, but I will admit I never once got scared by any episodes so far.

Oh, I don't find it that scary at all. After all, it's TV! Generally, I seldom find TV shows "scary" and only once in a while are movies "scary." Books.. now books can scare the living **** out of me. I guess it has more to do with the untapped limitations of imagination.

I'm kind of big horror fan, but that's probably only my secondary reason for liking SPN so much. Yes, those guys are pretty.. VERY pretty, but it's their great chemistry that I find beyond charming to watch. They really ARE like brothers, in emotion and humor. The humor is my favorite part - I'm always cracking up at Dean's affinity for classic rock, and their constant teasing of each other. Now that I think of it, it's really similar to what I enjoyed about BtVS - humor and great character/actor chemistry.

Eros

01-13-2007, 01:58 PM

The part where one individual's negative opinion of any show correlates with its need to be canceled.

This isn't the 50's anymore. The statement, "'Show X' sux, ergo it should be canceled," makes ZERO sense when there's hundreds of other alternatives to choose from in 'Show X's' time slot. Just because YOU don't like the show, it doesn't mean that other viewers agree with you or that the show should be canceled. If 'Show X' sucked in the public eye, everybody would flip the channel, the ratings would plummet, and the show *would* be canceled. But that doesn't seem to be the case right now, which is where the failure in logic arises, hence my confusion.

That better?

The supernatural rateings are not to good. Why do you give a damn if i think a show should get canceled, how does my opinion effect you at all? Heres a thought, if you dun like my feelings on the show, so the hell what?

Eros

01-13-2007, 02:00 PM

And yet you continue to come here to ***** at all of us about it... Really, if you don't even watch anymore, it's time to move on.

Curiouser and curiouser..

This is the first time ever i have commented on the show supernatural, when are these other times i have come here and **** about to all of you?

Serene

01-13-2007, 02:12 PM

This is the first time ever i have commented on the show supernatural, when are these other times i have come here and **** about to all of you?

Oops. My bad.
I apologize, Eros. I thought you were talking about SV.

But it still shouldn't be canceled. :oldrazz:

AgentPat

01-13-2007, 02:41 PM

The supernatural rateings are not to good. Why do you give a damn if i think a show should get canceled, how does my opinion effect you at all? Heres a thought, if you dun like my feelings on the show, so the hell what?First off, calm down. Second off, reread my first post. I said "I've never understood this mentality." I said that because it's something I see often - somebody doesn't like a show and then says "it should be canceled." It's a mentality that never made sense to me. I didn't chastise you on your feelings about SN. In fact... I AGREED with you. I don't watch it either.

I don't watch MOST shows on TV today. I find most of the BS they slap on television to be worthless tripe and completely boring. But I've never suggested that such shows be canceled. It just seems like an odd thing to say - as if my single opinion should change what a network does because *I* don't like the material. :huh:

The Incredible Hulk

01-13-2007, 07:52 PM

Unnecessary use of the bold. 10 yard penalty. Still 1st down.....

(sorry I'm in football mode today...)

avidreader

01-14-2007, 05:20 AM

Unnecessary use of the bold. 10 yard penalty. Still 1st down.....

(sorry I'm in football mode today...)

Man. I cant wait for it to end. I live in a house with four other males, and all I've heard for the last week, is the Chargers this, the Chargers that.

Put me out of my misery and tell me when's the Superbowl?

RakuMon

01-19-2007, 12:24 PM

These numbers have got to be a season hight for SV on the CW, right?

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/68410882
Thursday 1/18/07

What follows are the fast national results for Thursday, Jan. 18, 2007. Overall averages appear first (in order of the highest rated network), followed by a half-hour breakdown in the order of ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and the CW. Household rating and share is listed first, followed by total number of viewers (in millions) and adult 18-49 rating and share.

CW
8:00 p.m. Smallville
2.9/ 5 -- 4.97 million -- 2.2/ 6

8:30 p.m. Smallville
3.2/ 5 -- 5.53 million -- 2.4/ 6

9:00 p.m. Supernatural
2.1/ 3 -- 3.60 million -- 1.6/ 4

9:30 p.m. Supernatural
1.9/ 3 -- 3.15 million -- 1.3/ 3

avidreader

01-19-2007, 12:30 PM

I find it interesting that it always picks up steam in the second half. Do people just channel flick during the first half, and then depending on how things are going, settle in for the second.

AgentPat

01-19-2007, 12:44 PM

These numbers have got to be a season hight for SV on the CW, right?Yes. Expect a press release from CW on this VERY soon!

SV posted its best numbers of the season with 5.3 million total viewers and was up 30 percent week-to-week in adults 18-34, to a 2.6 rating.

The Incredible Hulk

01-19-2007, 12:47 PM

wow, nice numbers for Smallville, and those are just the fast nationals so I'm sure the actuals will be even a bit better although SN's retention out of SV is pretty bad losing like 35%+ of the viewers.

Eros

01-19-2007, 01:03 PM

I was expecting more viewers, but this is still very good.

AgentPat

01-19-2007, 01:13 PM

I was expecting more viewers, but this is still very good.Very good? LOL SV was #2 behind only NBC in adult demos.

I'm tellin' yas, CW is gonna play this up, and well they should. :D

The Incredible Hulk

01-19-2007, 01:58 PM

I'd love to know what the Tivo/DVR figures were for this episode

Serene

01-19-2007, 02:56 PM

Yes. Expect a press release from CW on this VERY soon!

SV posted its best numbers of the season with 5.3 million total viewers and was up 30 percent week-to-week in adults 18-34, to a 2.6 rating.

Yay! I thought it would do well, but I'm really glad to have it confirmed.

Perhaps this bodes well for a spin-off of some sorts. :D :up:

AgentPat

01-19-2007, 03:15 PM

I'd love to know what the Tivo/DVR figures were for this episodeProbably pretty high. As it is, SV often lands in the top 10 of time-shifted programming, which is amazing in itself.

Yay! I thought it would do well, but I'm really glad to have it confirmed.

Perhaps this bodes well for a spin-off of some sorts. :D :up:Tough to say, but here's the latest regarding SV from Mark Berman, who is currently attending the CW winter press tour and posting updates as they're announced:

"There is no early pick-up, but you can count on Smallville returning."

Geeze Marc, tell us something we don't already know. LOL ;)

avidreader

01-19-2007, 04:15 PM

"There is no early pick-up, but you can count on Smallville returning."

Geeze Marc, tell us something we don't already know. LOL ;)

Woohoo!!:woot:

Brainiac 8

01-19-2007, 04:24 PM

Good to know that Smallville is still doing well, especially since the competition is pretty fierce that night.

Hello....second rated show on CW....like we all didn't figure it would come back.:oldrazz:

RakuMon

01-19-2007, 04:26 PM

Variety's take:

Thursday wealth divided
Ratings Flash -- Rick Kissell
By VARIETY STAFF
ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" and CBS' "CSI" put up the best numbers once again on Thursday this week, but it was a night for less celebrated skeins like "Ugly Betty," "Smallville" and "Shark" to also shine. The Alphabet led in adults 18-49, and CBS in total viewers.

According to preliminary nationals from Nielsen, "Ugly Betty" (4.5 rating/12 share in adults 18-49, 14.1 million viewers overall) — coming off its Golden Globes victory on Monday — matched its second best demo delivery to date and drew its largest overall audience since Oct. 5. The hourlong comedy led its timeslot among young adults, overtaking NBC laffers "My Name Is Earl" (4.2/11 in 18-49, 9.7 million viewers overall) and "The Office" (4.5/11 in 18-49, 9.3 million viewers overall). CBS ran third in demos with a repeat of "CSI" (3.4/9 in 18-49, 12.3 million viewers overall).

Also in the hour, the Justice League episode of "Smallville" established season highs for the skein (2.3/6 in 18-49, 5.2 million viewers overall), which ranked second for its hour in men 18-34 (2.8/9).

At 9 o'clock, "Grey's Anatomy" (8.7/20 in 18-49, 21.9 million viewers overall) led in key demos over CBS' "CSI" (6.9/16 in 18-49, 21.3 million viewers overall), although both were down vs. their most recent firstrun perfs. NBC's "Scrubs" (2.9/7 in 18-49, 6.6 million viewers overall) was on the low end with a musical episode, and "30 Rock" (2.4/6 in 18-49, 5.1 million viewers overall) was below average as well.

It was another slow night for Fox's "Til Death" (2.1/6 in 18-49, 5.1 million viewers overall), "The War at Home" (1.9/5 in 18-49, 4.4 million viewers overall) and "The OC" (1.7/4 in 18-49, 3.9 million viewers overall), although "Death" logged its best score since late September.

At 10, a repeat "ER" on NBC (2.5/7 in 18-49, 6.1 million viewers overall) provided an opportunity for rival dramas "Shark" on CBS (4.4/12 in 18-49, 15.0 million viewers overall) and "Men in Trees" on ABC (3.7/10 in 18-49, 10.7 million viewers overall) to shine. "Shark" matched its best delivery to date in key demos while "Men" was a tick off its best score since moving behind "Grey's" on Nov. 30.

Preliminary 18-49 averages for the night: ABC, 5.6/14; CBS, 4.9/12; NBC, 3.2/8; Univision, 2.1/5; CW, 1.9/5; Fox, 1.8/5.

In total viewers: CBS, 16.2 million; ABC, 15.6 million; NBC, 7.2 million; Univision, 4.7 million; Fox, 4.3 million; CW, 4.3 million.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957776.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

Cmill216

01-19-2007, 04:27 PM

What the heck is skein?

RakuMon

01-19-2007, 04:29 PM

What the heck is skein?

Variety-speak for TV series.

Cmill216

01-19-2007, 04:30 PM

Variety-speak for TV series.

Eww. Kinda lame. *shrugs*

explode7

01-19-2007, 07:36 PM

Smallville JL episode should have at least a 10M rating last night.

chosen1

01-19-2007, 08:16 PM

Shouldnt be that surprising you have to kind of look at it like this.. Who's been watching. If your getting the same amount of numbers every week there is'nt going to be a big jump in ratings.

"If you with us, you with us." -- Chris Partlow

Serene

01-19-2007, 08:26 PM

Eww. Kinda lame. *shrugs*

:) A "skein" is commonly used to describe a length of yarn, but the definition is often broadened to include any long connected series of things.

AgentPat

01-23-2007, 08:59 PM

From HR... final ratings are in for Justice:

"CW's highlight of the week was Thursday's "Smallville" (5.3 million, 2.6/8 in adults 18-34), which hit its highest marks of the season."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ia674a4eb4d4077c0a611558cb6c15224

The Incredible Hulk

01-23-2007, 09:00 PM

cool, I knew they'd be up a bit from the fasts

AgentPat

01-24-2007, 04:47 PM

Aight, damned if I know exactly what the percentages mean, but the rankings ARE interesting...

Top Television Show Search Terms Among Television Category Websites for 2006

Rank Search Term Share
1 weather 0.98%
2 espn 0.71%
3 weather.com 0.57%
4 qvc 0.56%
5 cnn 0.55%
6 nick.com 0.49%
7 disney channel 0.44%
8 cartoon network 0.41%
9 food network 0.40%
10 american idol 0.40%
11 american idol 0.40%
12 deal or no deal 0.29%
13 days of our lives 0.27%
14 oprah 0.21%
15 dancing with the stars 0.20%
16 lost 0.17%
17 smallville 0.16%
18 charmed 0.11%
19 passions 0.10%
20 wheel of fortune 0.09%

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=99671

Note: rankings based on a 52 (non-rolling) weekly industry search term report.
The search terms sending traffic to the Adult category have been excluded from the sample.
Data is based from sample of 10 million US Internet users.
Source: Hitwise

avidreader

01-25-2007, 11:42 AM

From http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=24194

Comics2Film Wed, 24 Jan 2007 6:31 AM PST
The weekly rankings for the week of January 15th - 21st have been released including the final number of viewers for each show. 'Smallville' ranked at #69 with 5.62 million viewers for its January 18th episode "Justice" which makes it the highest rated episode for season six.

RakuMon

01-26-2007, 01:05 PM

Looks like "Labyrinth" dropped a little. Still beat out Fox though.

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 1/25/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 15.81 million, ABC: 14.07, NBC: 5.64, Fox: 4.34, CW: 4.16

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.3 rating/14 share, CBS: 4.6/12, NBC: 2.7/ 7, CW: 1.7/ 5, Fox: 1.7/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
CSI: Miami R (CBS), Ugly Betty R (ABC), My Name is Earl R (NBC), The Office R - 8:30 p.m. (NBC), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), Shark R (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
The War at Home (Fox), The O.C. (Fox)

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS shared Thursday leadership, with CBS the most-watched network and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. Third was NBC, while Fox and the CW tied for the No. 4 and 5 spots. A night without American Idol on Fox, no doubt, makes quite a difference.

In the battle of the repeats at 8 p.m., a Thursday edition of CBS’ CSI: Miami took the hour in total viewers (12.43 million), while tying with ABC’s Ugly Betty for second among adults 18-49 (3.3/ 9 each). Ugly Betty was second in total viewers at 9.83 million. First in the hour in adults 18-49 were repeats of NBC’s My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 8.40 million; A18-49: #1, 3.4/10) and The Office (Viewers: #3, 7.80 million; A18-49: #1t, 3.7/10). While neither NBC sitcom is setting the world on fire in total viewers, keep in mind that it’s the young adult demographic results that really count.

An original installment of the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.98 million; A18-49: #4, 2.1/ 6) and Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (Repeat – Viewers: #4, 5.34 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.0/ 6) and The War at Home (Viewers: #5, 4.70 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5) capped off the 8 p.m. hour.

In the battle of the originals at 9 p.m., ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy led the hour with 21.40 million viewers and an 8.8/21 among adults 18-49. Second was CSI on CBS with 20.94 million viewers and a 6.6/16 in the demo. Although growth for CSI out of the CSI: Miami repeat was a hefty 8.53 million viewers and 100 percent among adults 18-49, a repeat telecast of the forensics crime solving drama on the year-ago evening (without Grey’s Anatomy in the competitive mix) was still more potent at 21.82 million viewers and a 7.3/18 among adults 18-49.

A distant third in the 9 p.m. hour behind Grey’s Anatomy and CSI were repeats of NBC’s Scrubs (Viewers: 4.98 million; A18-49: 2.4/ 6) and the ailing 30 Rock (Viewers: 3.86 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4). Next was Fox’s soon-to-conclude The O.C. (Viewers: #4, 3.65 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4), followed by the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.35 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). Considering the severity of the Thursday 9 p.m. time period, retention for Supernatural out of Smallville of 67 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49 is not bad (and likely worthy of a renewal for 2007-08).

At 10 p.m., ABC and CBS shared the top spot, with a repeat of the Eye net’s Shark first in total viewers (14.04 million) and second among adults 18-49 (3.8/10); and an original installment of ABC’s Men in Trees just the opposite at 10.98 million viewers (#2) and a first-place 3.9/11 in the demo. While retention for Men in Trees out of Grey’s Anatomy of 51 percent in total viewers and 44 percent among adults 18-49 could certainly be much better, worth positively nothing for the Anne Heche drama this week was a series-high rating in the demo. Retention for the Shark encore out of CSI of 67 percent in total viewers and 58 percent among adults 18-49 was better despite not being an original.

Last in the 10 p.m. hour were two more repeat episodes of NBC’s The Office at an average 4.41 million viewers and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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Brainiac 8

01-26-2007, 01:17 PM

That's good news. :up:

Cmill216

01-26-2007, 01:31 PM

followed by the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.35 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). Considering the severity of the Thursday 9 p.m. time period, retention for Supernatural out of Smallville of 67 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49 is not bad (and likely worthy of a renewal for 2007-08).

*does a happy dance* :hyper:

Migu-EL

01-26-2007, 02:49 PM

Yesterday's episode of Supernatural was based out of the city I live in, Milwaukee.:woot:

avidreader

01-26-2007, 03:51 PM

I read some interview somewhere the other day, I'll see if I cant dig it up, that the CW werent providing any advertising/trailer dollars to shows other than GG, ANTM and The Geek and that the shows themselves if they want something special were having to do the trailers out of their own show budgets.

Anyway, my point was that the Supernatural trailers are so good, because the Producers of the show are the ones that are actually doing them and not the CW.

Here's the link if anyone is interested.

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12755/index-14.html

AgentPat

01-26-2007, 03:58 PM

Ratings' excerpt from Daily Variety, 1/26/07:

According to preliminary nationals from Nielsen... ...The CW was solid with its drama combo of "Smallville" (2.1/6 in 18-49, 5.0 million viewers overall) and "Supernatural" (1.4/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall), as the net tied Fox on the night among adults 18-49.

Preliminary 18-49 averages for the night: ABC, 5.3/14; CBS, 4.6/12; NBC, 2.7/7; Fox, 1.7/5; Univision, 1.7/5; CW, 1.7/4.

In total viewers: CBS, 15.8 million; ABC, 14.1 million; NBC, 5.6 million; Fox, 4.3 million; CW, 4.2 million; Univision, 3.8 million.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117958156.html

triplet

01-28-2007, 12:00 PM

Here's an interesting article on Variety about the netlet's health mid-season.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117958189.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

They have nice things to say about Smallville and Supernatural...

Dramas "Smallville," "Supernatural" and "Gilmore Girls" have put up solid to good numbers, while "Veronica Mars," paired with "Gilmore Girls," is up slightly vs. last year, but could still do better.

"Smallville" is the net's No. 1 scripted program in 18-34 (2.1 rating), followed by "One Tree Hill" (1.9) and "Gilmore Girls" (1.8).

The Incredible Hulk

01-28-2007, 01:19 PM

^ interesting article and good to hear yet another source say how well the show is doing.

One thing that boggles my mind is that the Network knows Smallville is done after next season. (even if they want them past that I think Michael and Tom are going to walk). Where are the plans to retain their most profitable audience? CW has NOTHING in the pipeline to keep Smallville's audience. You'd think that there would be SOMETHING DC Comics related in the works, and that they'd want to start establishing that audience before Smallville is done, similar how they got all the Buffy fans to jump to Angel, and then Buffy went away. Ostroff has done virtually NOTHING in terms of adding original programming to the Network. Her legacy so far is "The Game."

AgentPat

01-28-2007, 01:43 PM

One thing that boggles my mind is that the Network knows Smallville is done after next season. (even if they want them past that I think Michael and Tom are going to walk).Rosenbaum, probably. Kreuk, definitely. Welling? I think that one is very much up in the air.

Welling is one of their golden boys. He loves playing Clark, and he makes a ton of money doing it. They throw him all sorts of bones like directing - something he wouldn't necessarily have the chance at elsewhere. Only thing he hasn't done yet is write an episode. With SV being CW's top scripted skein, its chances for a seventh season pick-up are in the bag. IF the show continues to do well in the 7th season, and IF CW wants to keep the ball rolling, Warners might want to shoot for the next plateau in syndication value (200 eps). If Welling is teetering on the decision to re-up his contract for two more seasons, I bet they dangle a producer's credit with associated pay check in front of him. Given his young age and the fact that he's got a long career ahead of him regardless, I don't think two more years would be a poor decision/commitment.

Eros

01-28-2007, 07:16 PM

Rosenbaum, probably. Kreuk, definitely. Welling? I think that one is very much up in the air.

Welling is one of their golden boys. He loves playing Clark, and he makes a ton of money doing it. They throw him all sorts of bones like directing - something he wouldn't necessarily have the chance at elsewhere. Only thing he hasn't done yet is write an episode. With SV being CW's top scripted skein, its chances for a seventh season pick-up are in the bag. IF the show continues to do well in the 7th season, and IF CW wants to keep the ball rolling, Warners might want to shoot for the next plateau in syndication value (200 eps). If Welling is teetering on the decision to re-up his contract for two more seasons, I bet they dangle a producer's credit with associated pay check in front of him. Given his young age and the fact that he's got a long career ahead of him regardless, I don't think two more years would be a poor decision/commitment.

If Kreuk and Rosenbaum leave, no point in going on period. How long can they stretch the thing out, 7 seasons is a good way to go out before they force you out.

AgentPat

01-28-2007, 07:21 PM

If Kreuk and Rosenbaum leave, no point in going on period. How long can they stretch the thing out, 7 seasons is a good way to go out before they force you out.The only thing the suits care about is ratings. If people are still watching, then there IS a point to continuing. If you see that as dumb, you don't have to watch it. I think American Idol is complete and utter madness, but a lot of people seem to disagree with me on that. Go figure? :oldrazz:

thebigtree95

01-28-2007, 07:32 PM

avidreader

02-01-2007, 04:42 PM

Numbers for last week.

01. Smallville - 5.00
02. Smackdown - 4.50
03. Gilmore Girls - 3.72
04. Reba - 3.56
05. Supernatural - 3.42
06. Veronica Mars - 3.23
07. 7th Heaven - 3.16
08. Beauty and the Geek - 3.11
09. Everybody Hates Chris - 2.83
10. Reba - 2.61
11. All of Us - 2.46
12. The Game - 2.25
13. Girlfriends - 2.25
14. One Tree Hill - 2.23
15. Beauty and the Geek (Enc) - 1.88

triplet

02-01-2007, 11:46 PM

Hey, here's an interesting article from the LA Times on struggling shows that are doing okay despite the odds against them, they talk a lot about SPN and how it's a good fit with Smallville.

Last season, the show was given a sound lead-in with "Gilmore Girls," but the gap in tone between the two genres hurt "Supernatural's" numbers. Then in a be-careful-what-you-wish-for scenario, Kripke successfully lobbied to have the show moved to Thursday nights at 9 p.m., following the popular and well-regarded "Smallville." He reasoned that "Smallville" seemed a better fit with sci-fi thriller themes. His request was greenlighted by the WB, and the two shows did indeed mesh well together.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-sophomore2feb02,1,460249.story?track=rss

This is actually a very entertaining article.... I loved what the exec producer of Close to Home said about David James Elliott:

"We're doing our best to get his shirt off as much as we can this season, though this is difficult because he's a district attorney."

LOL!

:D

Cmill216

02-01-2007, 11:51 PM

Hey, here's an interesting article from the LA Times on struggling shows that are doing okay despite the odds against them, they talk a lot about SPN and how it's a good fit with Smallville.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-sophomore2feb02,1,460249.story?track=rss

I personally liked:

"They're really doing yeoman's work," said Kelly Kahl, programming chief for the CW. "I don't know if there's another CW show we could put there that would do any better."

In other words, "We have no choice but to bring it back for a third season." :word:

RakuMon

02-02-2007, 01:09 PM

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 2/01/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 16.18 million, CBS: 15.84, NBC: 9.47, Fox: 4.38, CW: 4.14

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 6.3 rating/16 share, CBS: 4.7/12, NBC: 4.3/11, Fox: 1.8/ 4, CW: 1.7/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Ugly Betty (ABC), My Name is Earl (NBC), The Office (NBC), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS)

-Down but Not Out:
ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
The War at Home (Fox), Scrubs (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC), Men in Trees (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC led the troops on this first night of the Feb. 2007 sweeps, outdelivering No. 2 CBS by 340,000 viewers and 34 percent among adults 18-49. NBC finished a competitive third in adults 18-49 (with a more distant No. 3 finish in total viewers), followed by American Idol-less Fox and the CW.

Beginning with 8 p.m., ABC’s Ugly Betty was the most-watched program with 13.98 million viewers, and tied for first among adults 18-49 (4.7/12) with NBC sitcoms My Name Is Earl and The Office. My Name is Earl scored 10.66 million viewers (#3) with a 4.5/12 in the demo (#1) at 8 p.m., followed by The Office at 1010 million viewers (#3) and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 8:30 p.m. Chalk up another winner’s listing for the ABC and NBC teams.

Also worth positively noting at 8 p.m. was a repeat of CBS’ CSI at 12.16 million viewers (#2) and a 3.4/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#3). Rounding off the hour was the CW’s still-worth-renewing Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.94 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.0/ 5), and Fox comedies ‘Til Death (Viewers: #4, 5.42 million; A18-49: #4, 2.3/ 6) and waiting-to-be axed The War at Home (Viewers: #5, 4.47 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5). ‘Til Death will, no doubt, benefit with the upcoming exposure out of American Idol in February.

At 9 p.m., ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy led the hour with 23.92 million viewers and a 10.2/23 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that beat CBS’ once unstoppable CSI (Viewers: #2, 21.29 million; A18-49: #2, 6.8/16) by 2.63 million viewers and a hefty 50 percent among adults 18-49. A distant third in the 9 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms Scrubs (Viewers: 6.88 million; A18-49: 3.4/ 8) and 30 Rock (Viewers: 5.66 million; A18-49: 2.9/ 7), which continue to drop the ball from the growing momentum of lead-in The Office. Take a look at the four NBC comedies, and notice the ongoing slide from 9-10 p.m.

NBC/Thursday
8:00 p.m. My Name is Earl
Viewers: 10.66 million (#3), A18-49: 4.5/12 (#1)

8:30 p.m. The Office
Viewers: 10.10 million (#3), A18-49: 5.0/12 (#2)

9:00 p.m. Scrubs
Viewers: 6.88 million (#3), A18-49: 3.4/ 8 (#3)

9:30 p.m. 30 Rock
Viewers: 5.66 million (#3), A18-49: 2.9/ 7 (#3)

Remember failed 1989-90 CBS sitcom The Famous Teddy Z, which featured Alex Rocco in the breakout (and Emmy winning) role of agent Al Floss? Alec Baldwin as Jack Donaghy is a sadly similar situation. He may be good, but he can’t save 30 Rock.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour were Fox’s soon-to-conclude The O.C. (Viewers: #5, 3.82 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4) and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.34 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). Retention this week for Supernatural out of Smallville -- Viewers: 68 percent, A18-49: 70 percent -- was more than acceptable given the competition.

At 10 p.m., CBS’ underrated Shark was the most-watched show with 14.08 million viewers and tied with ABC’s Men in Trees for second among adults 18-49 (3.9/10 each). Men in Trees was third in total viewers with 10.64 million. NBC’s veteran ER finished second in total viewers (11.77 million), but first in the demo (5.1/13). Since the way to analyze these results falls heavily on retention from the lead-in, take a look at the percent changes for Shark out of CSI, ER out of 30 Rock and Men in Trees out of Grey’s Anatomy:

Shark (CBS)
Viewers: -34, A18-49: -43

ER (NBC)
Viewers: +88, A18-49: +59

Men in Trees (ABC)
Viewers: -56, A18-49: -62

While ER, of course, is not what it used to be, the double-digit percent growth out of 30 Rock is worth noting. Although Shark’s retention out of CSI is slowly growing (and now worthy of a renewal for season two), losing more than half of the Grey’s Anatomy audience remains a concern for Men in Trees (which also dipped by 3.54 million viewers -- 12.41 to 8.87 million -- and 34 percent among adults 18-49 -- 4.7/12 to 3.1/ 8 -- at 10:30 p.m.).

As for Grey’s Anatomy, I propose the following question: What is so special about this medical drama? I watched it last night and just don’t get all the hoopla. What am I missing here?

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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KalKai

02-08-2007, 02:06 AM

Say goodbye to Veronica Mars, things are looking pretty bad, doubt it'll make it to next year.

thebigtree95

02-08-2007, 03:32 AM

I know we did alright with the last cycle of Survivor, but with its return this week I hope we keep up the admirable pace we have going.

RakuMon

02-09-2007, 12:49 PM

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Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 2/08/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 17.84 million, ABC: 16.72, NBC: 8.78, Fox: 4.14, CW: 3.75

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 6.5 rating/16 share, CBS: 5.6/14, NBC: 4.0/10, Fox: 1.8/ 4, CW: 1.5/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Fiji (CBS), Ugly Betty (ABC), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
My Name is Earl (NBC), The Office (NBC), Shark (CBS), ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
The War at Home (Fox), 30 Rock (NBC), The O.C. (Fox), Supernatural (CW), Men in Trees (ABC)

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS shared leadership on this second Thursday of the Feb. 2007 sweeps, with CBS the most-watched network (1.12 million more viewers, on average, than ABC), and the alphabet net No. 1 among adults 18-49. NBC finished a typical third, followed by Fox and the CW’s combination of Smallville and Supernatural.

In season-premiere news, CBS’ Survivor: Fiji finished first in both total viewers (16.68 million) and adults 18-49, with a 5.8 rating/15 share in the demo. That beat ABC’s second-place Ugly Betty (Viewers: 14.30 million; A18-49: 4.7/12) by a healthy 2.38 million viewers and 23 percent among adults 18-49. Comparatively, the year-ago edition of Survivor: Panama opened with 19.19 million viewers and a 7.0/18 among adults 18-49 on Feb. 2, 2006, and the more recent Survivor: Cook Islands kicked-off with 17.43 million viewers and a 6.5/18 in the demo on Sept. 21, 2006. While each edition of Survivor tends to lose some steam, it remains a viable top 10-rated entity for CBS. And last night’s launch was considerably more satisfying creatively than recent editions. One look at the Sylvester Stallone clone and I knew his name had to be Rocky!

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC comedies My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 9.56 million; A18-49: #2t, 4.2/11) and The Office (Viewers: #3, 8.85 million; A18-49: #3, 4.4/11), which are worthy of honorable mention due to the strength of the demos, the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.67 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5), and Fox sitcoms ‘Til Death (Viewers: #4, 5.02 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 5) and The War at Home (Viewers: #5, 4.41 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5). There was nothing unusual to report from 8-9 p.m. last night.

ABC maintained dominance at 9 p.m. care of Grey’s Anatomy, which launched its three-part episode with a hefty 24.95 million viewers and a 10.7/25 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that built from already potent lead-in Ugly Betty by 10.65 million viewers and 128 percent among adults 18-49. A solid second in the hour was CBS’ CSI (Viewers: 22.28 million; A18-49: 6.8/16), followed by NBC’s Scrubs (Viewers: 6.22 million; A18-49: 3.1/ 7) and 30 Rock (Viewers: 5.09 million; A18-49: 2.5/ 6) in the distant No. 3 spot. Given the ongoing erosion, is anyone really convinced that 30 Rock will really catch on?

Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour were Fox’s soon-to-conclude The O.C. (Viewers: 3.57 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4) and the CW's Supernatural (Viewers: 2.83 million; A18-49: 1.2/ 3), which disappointed with retention out of Smallville of 61 percent in total viewers and 67 percent among adults 18-49. Sorry, Supernatural, but competing The O.C.’s advantage of 740,000 viewers and 33 percent among adults 18-49 makes you a loser this week.

CBS and NBC shared bragging rights at 10 p.m., with ABC’s recently relocated Men in Trees tied with the Eye net’s Shark for No. 2 among adults 18-49. Take a look:

10-11 p.m.
Shark (CBS)
Viewers: 14.56 million (#1), A18-49: 4.1/11 (#2t)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 11.50 million (#2), A18-49: 4.8/13 (#1)

Men in Trees (ABC)
Viewers: 10.90 million (#3), A18-49: 4.1/11 (#2t)

As a basis of analysis, here is the percent change from the lead-in for all three series:

Shark out of CSI
Viewers: -35, A18-49: -40

ER out of 30 Rock
Viewers: +126, A18-49: +92

Men in Trees out of Grey’s Anatomy
Viewers: -56, A18-49: -62

In a nutshell:
1. Shark is strong enough for a second season, but the fall-off from CSI this week demotes it to honorable mention.
2. Growth for ER out of 30 Rock is admirable, but the continued audience erosion from recent season makes it also worthy of only honorable mention.
3. Too much fall-off for Men in Tees out of Grey’s Anatomy means the network is sharpening the axe.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Half hour breakdown for CW's Smallville:

8:00 p.m. V: 4.42 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.93 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5

Half-hours for Supernatural please:
9:00 p.m. V: 2.95 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.71 million, A18-49: 1.1/ 3

AssMan

02-09-2007, 02:39 PM

Not to bad

Brainiac 8

02-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Yea, it's too bad Veronica Mars is doing so poorly...I know several people who love that show.

AssMan

02-09-2007, 02:47 PM

Yea, it's too bad Veronica Mars is doing so poorly...I know several people who love that show.

The O.C. got canned maybe shes next :wow:

AgentPat

02-09-2007, 11:16 PM

Finals courtesy of TravisYanan @ Pifeedback:

THURSDAY FINALS

SMALLVILLE
- 4,742,000 viewers
- 2.8/4 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49
- 2.1/6 A18-34

SUPERNATURAL
- 2,838,000 viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/3 A18-34

Looks like SV will be #1 again this week on the CW. :up:

Serene

02-09-2007, 11:27 PM

Yay! SV.

:( SPN.

Spider-Gamer

02-09-2007, 11:41 PM

Yay! SV.

:( SPN.

And it was a good episode this week to for SPN. :csad:

RakuMon

02-13-2007, 10:29 AM

This seems to be the de facto Supernatural thread, so here's info on DC's upcoming Supernatural comic:

http://images.newsarama.com/dccomics/May07/SUPNAT_Cv1_solicit.jpg

SUPERNATURAL: ORIGINS #1
Written by Peter Johnson and Geoff Johns
Art by Matthew Dow Smith and Phil Hester
Cover by Tim Bradstreet
The hit CW television show arrives in comics form with an incredible new look into the mythos of the series with Supernatural: Origins! After witnessing the murder of his wife at the hands of a demon, patriarch John Winchester begins a journey into the dark world of the supernatural, seeking a way to hunt down and kill the creature that took his wife. But what of his two young sons, Dean and Sam? How can a newly widowed father balance fighting evil with raising his children? Is fatherhood a distant second to his obsessive hunt?
Plus, don’t miss an amazing back-up story by fan-favorite writer Geoff Johns (52, TEEN TITANS) and artist Phil Hester (GREEN ARROW)!
On sale May 2 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

KalKai

02-16-2007, 12:16 PM

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Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 2/15/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 17.97 million, ABC: 16.81, NBC: 8.70, Fox: 4.36, CW: 4.13

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 6.4 rating/16 share, CBS: 5.7/14, NBC: 3.9/10, Fox: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.7/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Fiji (CBS), Ugly Betty (ABC), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), Shark (CBS)

-Still a Player, But Spiraling Downward:
ER (NBC)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
‘TIl Death (Fox), The War at Home (Fox), Scrubs (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC), The O.C. (Fox), Supernatural (CW)

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS shared Thursday bragging rights, with CBS the most-watched network (1.16 million viewers ahead of ABC) and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49 (with a 12 percent advantage in the demo). The once unstoppable NBC remained a distant third, followed by Fox and the CW at similarly lackluster results.

CBS’ creatively improved Survivor: Fiji led the 8 p.m. hour, with 16.35 million viewers and a 5.6 rating/15 share in the demo. Second was bona fide ABC hit Ugly Betty, with 13.63 million viewers and a 4.5/12 among adults 18-49. Next up were NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Viewers: 9.10 million; A18-49: 3.9/11) and The Office (Viewers: 8.83 million; A18-49: 4.4/11). Of positive note for The Office was growth of 13 percent in the demo out of My Name is Earl. Fox and the CW were virtually tied in total viewers from 8-9 p.m., with Fox fourth in the hour among adults 18-49. Fox’s ‘Til Death opened the evening with 5.25 million viewers (#4) and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#4), followed by The War at Home at a similarly disappointing 4.91 million viewers (#5) and a 2.3/ 6 in the demo (#4). The CW’s veteran Smallville delivered 5.07 million viewers (#5) and a 2.0/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#5).

ABC’s red-hot Grey’s Anatomy took center stage at 9 p.m., with a hefty 25.59 million viewers and a 10.7/25 among adults 18-49 -- 138 percent above lead-in Ugly Betty among adults 18-49 and the highest-rated show of the evening. Second, of course, was CBS’ still potent CSI at 22.47 million viewers and a 7.2/17 in the demo. With 48.06 million viewers tuning into ABC and CBS, there was obviously not much audience left elsewhere from 9-10 p.m. And a distant third, as usual, were NBC chucklers Scrubs (Viewers: 6.26 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 7) and 30 Rock (Viewers: 4.96 million; A18-49: 2.4/ 6), which do not have the legs to face Grey’s Anatomy and CSI. While I hate to beat a show when it’s already down, erosion for 30 Rock out of Scrubs of 1.30 million viewers and 20 percent among adults 18-49 means that the axe should be sharpening.

Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour were the second-to-last episode of Fox’s The O.C. (Viewers: 3.63 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4) and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: 3.19 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3), which suddenly does not seem like such a good fit out of Smallville with retention of just 63 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49.

Results at 10 p.m. mirrored recent weeks as follows:

Shark (CBS)
Viewers: 15.10 million (#1), A18-49: 4.3/12 (#2)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 11.52 million (#2), A18-49: 4.8/13 (#1)

Men in Trees (ABC)
Viewers: 11.21 million (#3), A18-49: 4.1/11 (#3)

Percent change for the three shows out of their lead-ins were:

Shark (out of CSI) - Viewers: -33, A18-49: -40
ER (out of 30 Rock) – Viewers: +132, A18-49: +100
Men in Trees (out of Grey’s Anatomy) – Viewers: -56, A18-49: -62

Based on the retention, here are three things to make note of:
1. Shark is similar to season one of Without a Trace out of CSI, and is a shoo-in for renewal in 2007-08.
2. ER is a shell of its former self, but the growth out of 30 Rock is still worth noting (and also worthy of a renewal).
3. ABC assures me that it is satisfied with Men in Trees creatively, but erosion this steep is, no doubt, disappointing and concerning.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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Brainiac 8

02-16-2007, 12:26 PM

Considering the competition, Smallville is doing awsome.:woot:

I feel sorry for Supernatural fans though, it's not doing so hot this season.:csad:

Migu-EL

02-16-2007, 12:26 PM

:csad:

AgentPat

02-16-2007, 12:30 PM

Brainiac 8

02-16-2007, 12:32 PM

You know what didn't help Supernatural last night, that goofy corny alligator promo they played before hand.:huh:

The Incredible Hulk

02-16-2007, 01:18 PM

Half hour breakdowns from Marc Berman (2/15/07):

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.83 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.30 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.35 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.04 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3

it's amazing how Smallville always gains like 1/2 a million viewers in the 2nd half hour. What the hell are they watching from 8-8:30???

Brainiac 8

02-16-2007, 01:22 PM

Till Death...?:huh: :oldrazz:

Migu-EL

02-16-2007, 01:33 PM

Paint drying, grass growing.:huh:

avidreader

02-16-2007, 01:34 PM

it's amazing how Smallville always gains like 1/2 a million viewers in the 2nd half hour. What the hell are they watching from 8-8:30???

I thought it was My Name is Earl.

AgentPat

02-16-2007, 01:53 PM

it's amazing how Smallville always gains like 1/2 a million viewers in the 2nd half hour. What the hell are they watching from 8-8:30???Good question. What do other hour-long dramas usually do in the 8pm slot? Maybe it's the time slot? People still eating dinner? That sort of thing?

SV would probably do better numbers in a 9pm slot, but they NEED it at 8pm as an anchor to lead into weaker shows. Some folks over at Pifeedback have been grousing about SN and how it might do better numbers on another night. Well, that may be true because of competition in its current window, but its pairing with SV is probably saving it too. Can you imagine how much poorer SN would do following a show like GG or ANTM? Please. LOL

Assuming CW renews both shows, they really need to keep 'em together, IMHO. And since I *seriously* doubt CW will want to risk any other show in the 8pm Thursday slot (can you say "slaughter?"), I don't foresee SN going anywhere, which is probably a good thing. Bouncing a show around the sked doesn't help its perceived stability... SV being the exception to that rule of course.

All in all, SV has been one helluva resilient series for the WB and now CW. Of the many things the show will be remembered for, that will certainly be one of 'em.

avidreader

02-16-2007, 02:21 PM

^^^^ I think its interesting to note too that as show's get older their numbers drop, (CSI probably being an exception) but Smallville in its sixth season is still the Network's number one scripted drama. So applying that logic, these new shows such as SN have a real battle on their hands to stay on screen for more than 4 seasons.

Migu-EL

02-16-2007, 02:25 PM

Good question. What do other hour-long dramas usually do in the 8pm slot? Maybe it's the time slot? People still eating dinner? That sort of thing?

SV would probably do better numbers in a 9pm slot, but they NEED it at 8pm as an anchor to lead into weaker shows. Some folks over at Pifeedback have been grousing about SN and how it might do better numbers on another night. Well, that may be true because of competition in its current window, but its pairing with SV is probably saving it too. Can you imagine how much poorer SN would do following a show like GG or ANTM? Please. LOL

Assuming CW renews both shows, they really need to keep 'em together, IMHO. And since I *seriously* doubt CW will want to risk any other show in the 8pm Thursday slot (can you say "slaughter?"), I don't foresee SN going anywhere, which is probably a good thing. Bouncing a show around the sked doesn't help its perceived stability... SV being the exception to that rule of course.

All in all, SV has been one helluva resilient series for the WB and now CW. Of the many things the show will be remembered for, that will certainly be one of 'em.

I agree completely. The reason I started watching SN was because it happened to come on after SV and I thought it looked pretty interesting.