Ratings

[KalKai]

Am I incorrect in thinking those are pretty decent numbers?
Weren't the highest SV numbers ever (Reckoning or Aqua?) in the 6 mil range?

No, the Pilot & Rosetta ranked much higher than those, 8-9 million range I think.

[Cmill216]

In hindsight, I have to say the ratings for "Aqua" were quite misleading in regards to the episode's actual quality.

[Brainiac 8]

But I liked Aqua mister!:cmad: :csad:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I actually think the show was 6+ million for most of Season 1 when it wasnt on against anything else Tuesdays at 9 PM

[KalKai]

Final Ratings are a little lower..

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194311 (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194311)

The CW
8:00PM SMALLVILLE 2.9/4, 4.76, 1.9/5, 1.9/5
9:00PM SUPERNATURAL 1.9/3, 3.03, 1.3/3, 1.3/3
(http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194311)

[AgentPat]

Tid-bit about Supernatural:

'Supernatural' luck?

Eric Kripke caught a break when the CW picked up his show "Supernatural" after a less than great first year in the Nielsens. He reasoned that part of that was because it followed "The Gilmore Girls" and was successful in getting the show moved behind a more compatible program, "Smallville."

Which, of course, put it right up against "Grey's Anatomy" and "CSI."

"It's been a roller-coaster ride for us," he told the Los Angeles Times. "We're fighting our hearts out to hold on to an audience. It's like we're the Japanese businessmen beneath Godzilla and Mothra."

The good news is Kelly Kahl, programming chief of the network, says the show isn't losing viewers from "Smallville" and "I don't know if there's another CW show we could put there that would do any better."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/16749242.htm

[thebigtree95]

I read an interview with that guy, he sounded like he really thought there will be a next season for Supernatural.

Ausiello said yesterday, Smallville has an excellent chance.

[Cmill216]

Ausiello said yesterday, Smallville has an excellent chance.

Well that's a bit of an understatement, really. :hyper:

[KalKai]

We didn't need Ausiello to tell us that now did we.

Anyone heard anything about Dawn getting replaced?

[thebigtree95]

Just reporting what I read.

[RakuMon]

Almost 3 million viewers. Not bad for a rerun.

Hey! While Marc's taking a much needed vacation, I'll be posting the fast nationals (though not over the weekend... you'll have to wait until Monday for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday)

Thursday 2/22/07

Overall
ABC - 11.4/18 HH, 7.0/17 A18-49, 17.599 million viewers
CBS - 10.0/15 HH, 5.1/13 A18-49, 16.483 million viewers
NBC - 5.1/8 HH, 3.5/9 A18-49, 7.844 million viewers
FOX - 9.1/14 HH, 5.9/14 A18-49, 15.524 million viewers
CW - 1.5/2 HH, 0.9/2 A18-49, 2.330 million viewers

ABC
8pm - Grey's Anatomy (R) - 6.7/10 HH, 3.2/8 A18-49, 9.732 million viewers
9pm - Grey's Anatomy - 17.0/25 HH, 11.6/27 A18-49, 27.286 million viewers
10pm - The Oprah Winfrey Oscar Special - 10.5/18 HH, 6.2/16 A18-49, 15.780 million viewers

CBS
8pm - Survivor: Fiji - 7.9/12 HH, 4.6/12 A18-49, 13.591 million viewers
9pm - CSI - 13.0/19 HH, 6.7/15 A18-49, 21.592 million viewers
10pm - Shark - 9.2/15 HH, 3.9/10 A18-49, 14.267 million viewers

NBC
8pm - My Name Is Earl - 5.5/8 HH, 3.6/10 A18-49, 8.704 million viewers
8:30pm - The Office - 5.0/7 HH, 4.2/10 A18-49, 8.237 million viewers
9pm - Scrubs - 3.7/5 HH, 2.8/6 A18-49, 5.689 million viewers
9:30pm - 30 Rock - 3.1/5 HH, 2.4/5 A18-49, 4.582 million viewers
10pm - ER - 6.7/11 HH, 4.0/11 A18-49, 9.926 million viewers

FOX
8pm - American Idol - 14.0/21 HH, 9.0/23 A18-49, 24.176 million viewers
9pm - The OC (series finale) - 4.3/6 HH, 2.8/6 A18-49, 6.676 million viewers

CW
8pm - Smallville (R) - 1.9/3 HH, 1.2/3 A18-49, 2.931 million viewers
9pm - Supernatural (R) - 1.2/2 HH, 0.7/2 A18-49, 1.730 million viewers

An added bonus (since I finally got them)... people have been asking about LAST WEEK'S Supernatural finals...
- 3.026 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/3 A18-34
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/35010753

[AgentPat]

Hmmm... well, it's not SV-related, but it's an interesting tidbit nonetheless:

From E! Online, Watch with Kristin (3/5/07):

Q: Have you heard anything about Supernatural's chances for a third season?
A: Sadly, it's not looking good. Ditto for Gilmore Girls. And The Class.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp


Is CW *that* stupid? Wow! I've never watched GG, but I do know it's second in ratings only to SV for scripted programming on their network. Why don't they dump 7th Heaven (again) and all those comedies that are consistently found at the bottom of the ratings every week?

Jeeze. What a dumb network. :rolleyes:

[avidreader]

Hmmm... well, it's not SV-related, but it's an interesting tidbit nonetheless:

From E! Online, Watch with Kristin (3/5/07):

Q: Have you heard anything about Supernatural's chances for a third season?
A: Sadly, it's not looking good. Ditto for Gilmore Girls. And The Class.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp


Is CW *that* stupid? Wow! I've never watched GG, but I do know it's second in ratings only to SV for scripted programming on their network. Why don't they dump 7th Heaven (again) and all those comedies that are consistently found at the bottom of the ratings every week?

Jeeze. What a dumb network. :rolleyes:

The girl who plays Rory, cant think of her name at the moment (wait.... its coming to me...... Alexis Bledel :cwink: ), she doesnt want to come back and do an 8th season. Could explain why?

I was reading something over at mediaweek yesterday, that said Smallville and Supernatural were the only scripted shows on the Network that were worth renewing.

:huh:

[triplet]

The girl who plays Rory, cant think of her name at the moment (wait.... its coming to me...... Alexis Bledel :cwink: ), she doesnt want to come back and do an 8th season. Could explain why?

I was reading something over at mediaweek yesterday, that said Smallville and Supernatural were the only scripted shows on the Network that were worth renewing.

:huh:

The original script runners/show creators left at the end of last season and it just hasn't been the same show for GG... creatively and personally, the cast really got a lot more out of the show with the original show runners.

I'm not surprised Alexis Bledel doesn't want to come back, I betcha Laura Graham is feeling the same way. The dialogue isn't nearly as good as it was...

I'm surprised that SPN looks like it's on the chopping block, but what else will they put in there? It's crazy... nothing else did as well after Smallville as SPN has done. They'd be nuts to cancel it.

[AssMan]

It would suck if they cancelled Supernatural those **** tards :cmad: I hope they told about it ahead of time to do a decent ending. ****ing CW if they cancel Supernatural :ninja:

[avidreader]

Now that DeKnight is moving on I guess he feels a little more confident in saying stuff like this.


There was a joke going around earlier this year that CW actually stands for the Coulda Woulda network. Hmm... Maybe it wasn't a joke after all...

That was in answer to why the Aquaman Pilot wasnt picked up. :woot:

[Migu-EL]

LOL:woot:

[Brainiac 8]

I swear I'm liking DeKnight more and more.:woot:

[AssMan]

Now that DeKnight is moving on I guess he feels a little more confident in saying stuff like this.

What is he moving on from ? Isnt there still at least one more season of Smallville confirmed (7) ?

[Brainiac 8]

Yes, but DeKnight is done with his work of Smallville as of this season.

He only has one more episode, then he's done.:csad:

[AssMan]

Yes, but DeKnight is done with his work of Smallville as of this season.

He only has one more episode, then he's done.:csad:

He should save those types of quotes until after Smallville is cancelled. Because that one episode could be his very last episode before the show is up :o

[avidreader]

He should save those types of quotes until after Smallville is cancelled. Because that one episode could be his very last episode before the show is up :o

I'm not following you on that one. :huh:

[Migu-EL]

Yeah who said anything about Smallville getting cancelled?:huh:

[AssMan]

I'm not following you on that one. :huh:

In other words talk bad about a network you work for if that network does not like it that network fires you. Im just saying he should wait until after Smallville is cancelled for those types of quotes. You never know the big bosses could be moody one day & reads that quote.

[avidreader]

In other words talk bad about a network you work for if that network does not like it that network fires you. Im just saying he should wait until after Smallville is cancelled for those types of quotes. You never know the big bosses could be moody one day & reads that quote.


Well his contract is up and he's moving on, so what's he got to lose.

[AssMan]

Well his contract is up and he's moving on, so what's he got to lose.

If thats the case then have at it Stevey & personally on the whole Smallville coming back for a Season 8 think unless they have a to die for story to tell they should end it at 7. We all know what happens to a show when it continues just because the name of the show is popular :o Look at Lost the creators of Lost want Lost to end in Season 5.

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 3/15/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.83 million, CBS: 9.59, Fox: 8.97, NBC: 7.69, CW: 4.06

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 6.0 rating/16 share, CBS and Fox: 3.5/ 9 each, NBC: 2.7/ 7, CW: 1.7/ 5

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader (Fox), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), October Road (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Raines (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Scrubs (NBC), Andy Barker, P.I. (NBC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
On a night with three series premieres, the First Round, day one of NCAA Basketball and the 8 p.m. time period premiere of Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader, ABC reigned supreme, beating distant No. 2 basketball-fueled CBS by a hefty 6.24 million viewers, and CBS and Fox by 71 percent among adults 18-49. NBC was fourth and the CW fifth.

The time period premiere of Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader opened the evening on a winning note, with a comfortable 12.18 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Comparably, that beat ABC’s competing Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 10.77 million; A18-49: 3.4/10) by 1.41 million viewers and 32 percent among adults 18-49. According to my estimations, this is the strongest show Fox has had in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour since sitcoms Martin and Living Single in 1996-97. Now all Fox needs to do is find something compatible for Thursday at 9 p.m. It should be interesting on March 29 when 5th Grader faces CBS’ Survivor: Fiji for the first time.

Over at CBS, the First Round, day one of the NCAA Basketball Tournament scored an expected 9.59 million viewers and a 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49 in prime time. This was comparable to its day one performance on the year-ago evening.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were two repeat episodes of NBC’s The Office (Viewers: #4, avg. 6.63 million; A18-49: #4, avg. 2.8/ 8) and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: 4.58 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6).

ABC’s dominance, of course, extended to 9 p.m., with the rock-solid Grey’s Anatomy at 22.38 million viewers and an 8.8/22 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that was the highest rated show of the evening. Second in the hour was the middle portion of the NCAA Basketball Tournament at 10.68 million viewers and a 3.8/ 9 in the demo. In series-premiere news, NBC Andy Richter sitcom Andy Barker, P.I. debuted with a lackluster 5.84 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 at 9:30 p.m., which was similar to recent levels for former occupant 30 Rock. Comparably, that was down from lead-in Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 6.37 million; A18-49: #3, 2.8/ 7 at 9 p.m.) by 530,000 viewers and 14 percent among adults 18-49. Why most of the critics praised Andy Barker, P.I. is beyond me.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour were back-to-back repeats of Fox’s animated Family Guy (Viewers: #4, avg. 5.76 million; A18-49: #3t, 2.6/ 7) and Supernatural on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.54 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4).

In the battle of the two new Thursday 10 p.m. dramas opposite the third hour of the NCAA Basketball Tournament on CBS (Viewers: #3, 8.43 million; A18-49: #2, 3.3/ 9), ABC’s October Road took the hour with a solid 14.34 million viewers and a 5.8/16 among adults 18-49. But the also good news for NBC’s Raines (Viewers: #2, 10.34 million; A18-49: #3, 2.9/ 8) was growth of a healthy 4.50 million viewers and 21 percent among adults 18-49 over lead-in Andy Barker, P.I. October Road was down by 8.04 million viewers and 34 percent in the demo from lead-in Grey’s Anatomy, with a loss of 1.88 million viewers (15.28 to 13.40 million) and 15 percent among adults 18-49 (6.2/17 to 5.3/15) at 10:30 p.m. Raines only slipped by 360,000 viewers (10.52 to 10.16 million) and seven percent among adults 18-49 (3.0/ 8 to 2.8/ 8).

As a basis of comparison for October Road and Raines, take a look at the two versus the most recent performances of ER and Men In Trees.

Thursday 10 p.m.
ABC
October Road – Viewers: 14.34 million; A18-49: 5.8/16
Men in Trees (Feb. 15) – Viewers: 10.87 million; A18-49: 4.0/11

NBC
Raines – Viewers: 10.34 million; A18-49: 2.9/ 8
ER (Feb. 22) – Viewers: 10.00 million, A18-49: 4.1/11

Since no one should have expected October Road to hold more of the Grey’s Anatomy lead-in, we’ll consider both dramas – October Road and Raines – off to positive starts.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

[Kaboom]

SV was not a repeat.........the CW needs a better marketing department.

[Cmill216]

SV was not a repeat.........the CW needs a better marketing department.

It doesn't say it was a repeat. It says there were two repeats of The Office.

[AgentPat]

Half hour breakdowns from Berman:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. - V: 4.17 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. - V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. - V: 3.60 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. - V: 3.47 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3


That's a pretty HUGE difference for SV. Over 800,000 viewers! :eek:

What the heck were people watching in the 8:00 - 8:30p slot? :confused:

[AgentPat]

Snip from Variety:

CW was above average with original episodes of "Smallville" (2.0/6 in 18-49, 4.6 million viewers overall) and "Supernatural" (1.4/4 in 18-49, 3.5 million viewers overall).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961286

[Brainiac 8]

I have a bad feeling for Supernatural...and I hope it sticks around...mostly for Jensen Ackles...since he got such a bad rap on Smallville it's nice he headlines what seems a well written show.

But those numbers drop so much from Smallville.:csad:

[triplet]

Half hour breakdowns from Berman:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. - V: 4.17 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. - V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. - V: 3.60 million, A18-49: 1.5/ 4
9:30 p.m. - V: 3.47 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 3


That's a pretty HUGE difference for SV. Over 800,000 viewers! :eek:

What the heck were people watching in the 8:00 - 8:30p slot? :confused:

Isn't that when "My Name is Earl" is on?

*shrug*

[RakuMon]

Isn't that when "My Name is Earl" is on?

*shrug*

Normally. Though last night NBC aired back to back repeats of "The Office."

I think last night at 8PM was stacked and I was actually surprised to see SV keep up consistent numbers considering the big guns aiming for the same hour. And the fact that it actually built an audience as the hour went on? :wow: Good job guys! :up:

[TKodami]

Hmmm... well, it's not SV-related, but it's an interesting tidbit nonetheless:

From E! Online, Watch with Kristin (3/5/07):

Q: Have you heard anything about Supernatural's chances for a third season?
A: Sadly, it's not looking good. Ditto for Gilmore Girls. And The Class.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp


Is CW *that* stupid? Wow! I've never watched GG, but I do know it's second in ratings only to SV for scripted programming on their network. Why don't they dump 7th Heaven (again) and all those comedies that are consistently found at the bottom of the ratings every week?

Jeeze. What a dumb network. :rolleyes:

Nooooo.....why CW, why?! :(

[RakuMon]

E! was also reporting that Veronica Mars is either getting canceled or getting a completely different format.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31917

[KalKai]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=255049&affid=100053&mpc=2

The CW: The new CW network is struggling on other nights, but Thursdays are stellar once again. This is the strongest season of "Smallville" in years, with real treachery, betrayal, heartbreak, loss and deadly ambition (and you thought that was all so high school). "Supernatural" has had a decent season, too, though not as stellar as that of "Smallville".

[Cmill216]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=255049&affid=100053&mpc=2

This is the strongest season of "Smallville" in years

I honestly can't say I agree. Having re-watched Season 5 in its entirety this past week, I think Season 6 has a ways to go in order to surpass that season in my mind. Season 5 started better, the arcs (Milton Fine, the election, the Clark/Lana romance, the drastic deterioration of Clark and Lex's relationship) were better, and I much preferred how issues brought up in episodes were usually immediately dealt with in the succeeding episode (ex: Milton Fine's revelation in "Splinter" being immediately dealt with in "Solitude", unlike this season with things like the complete bizarreness of the Martian Manhunter storyline).

"Supernatural" has had a decent season, too, though not as stellar as that of "Smallville".

Supernatural has been a bit of disappointment for me this season. Hopefully it'll pickup in the final handful of episodes.

[Syncos]

I honestly can't say I agree. Having re-watched Season 5 in its entirety this past week, I think Season 6 has a ways to go in order to surpass that season in my mind. Season 5 started better, the arcs (Milton Fine, the election, the Clark/Lana romance, the drastic deterioration of Clark and Lex's relationship) were better, and I much preferred how issues brought up in episodes were usually immediately dealt with in the succeeding episode (ex: Milton Fine's revelation in "Splinter" being immediately dealt with in "Solitude", unlike this season with things like the complete bizarreness of the Martian Manhunter storyline).

I have to disagree on this one bud. Obviously it's all opinions, but I've felt that season 6, (with the exception of some episodes) has been one of the strongest seasons we've had. Season 5 was good, but I'm diggin this season much more.

With episodes like "Arrow", "Hydro", "Justice", "Labyrinth"(Minus MM which is getting kinda ridicules), "Crimson", and "Freak" It's building up to be one of the strongest, if not the strongest season.

Supernatural has been a bit of disappointment for me this season. Hopefully it'll pickup in the final handful of episodes.

This is where my opinion vastly seems to differ, I've thought of this season of Supernatural to be much better than the first. It's true that the first season ended on a great note, but the first 2 thirds were throwaway episodes basically. Hit or miss, for the most parts.

[Cmill216]

I have to disagree on this one bud. Obviously it's all opinions, but I've felt that season 6, (with the exception of some episodes) has been one of the strongest seasons we've had. Season 5 was good, but I'm diggin this season much more.

With episodes like "Arrow", "Hydro", "Justice", "Labyrinth"(Minus MM which is getting kinda ridicules), "Crimson", and "Freak" It's building up to be one of the strongest, if not the strongest season.

I definitely think when it's all said and done this'll be a top 3 season for me with Seasons 2 and 5, but I just haven't been too fond (looking back at it now) of how the storylines have developed to this point in comparison with Season 5. I just really loved the election arc, the Brainiac storyline, and the lot.

Plus, I'm not sure how I feel about the placement of this 33.1 storyline with Lex. What's odd about it is that meteor freaks on Smallville have been a near rarity in the past two years, so why the heck are we now just starting to focus on Lex and his experiments on them? I don't know, but it'll be interesting to see how it comes to a head in the coming episodes. I think Season 6, though, has had some tremendous individual episodes.

I certainly loved Season 5 a few months ago, but now having watched it all again in a very short period of time, I have an even greater appreciation for it. It's really friggin' fantastic.

This is where my opinion vastly seems to differ, I've thought of this season of Supernatural to be much better than the first. It's true that the first season ended on a great note, but the first 2 thirds were throwaway episodes basically. Hit or miss, for the most parts.

They weren't necessarily throwaway in the sense that they were, for me, wonderfully executed legend-of-the-week episodes that both developed the lead characters and also created the entire atmosphere of the show. Eventually the series began creating its own mythology (which has been developed further this season), but the individual episodes this season have been far more hit-or-miss than the last, to me.

[KalKai]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070316cw01

"SMALLVILLE" AND "SUPERNATURAL" TAKE IT TO THE RACK
Released by The CW

[NOTE: The following article is a press release issued by the aforementioned network and/or company. Any errors, typos, etc. are attributed to the original author. The release is reproduced solely for the dissemination of the enclosed information.]

"SMALLVILLE" AND "SUPERNATURAL" TAKE IT TO THE RACK

Best Thursday of Season For The CW's Dramas in Women 18-34
"Smallville" Hits Season High in Women 18-34
"Supernatural" Scores Largest Audience Since October
March 16, 2007 (Burbank, California) - Against NCAA Basketball coverage, "Smallville" and "Supernatural" combined for The CW's best Thursday of the season among women 18-34 (2.1/6-tie) and its second best Thursday in women 18-49 (1.8/4-tie), according to preliminary live plus same day Nielsen ratings for Thursday, March 15.
"Smallville," which featured the wedding of Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) and Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum), hit a new high for the season in women 18-34 (2.5/7).
"Supernatural," with guest star Tricia Helfer ("Battlestar Galactica"), scored its largest audience (3.5mil) since Oct. 26, 2006.

[Cmill216]

^ Ha. A wedding episode for one and a hot Sci-Fi Channel chick for the other will do that to you.

[Serene]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070316cw01

"SMALLVILLE" AND "SUPERNATURAL" TAKE IT TO THE RACK

Hee! Thanks for posting that KalK. I reposted it in SDKs blog.. just 'cause. :cmad: :cwink:

I was doing SO good at avoiding that place too. :word:

[avidreader]

Hee! Thanks for posting that KalK. I reposted it in SDKs blog.. just 'cause. :cmad: :cwink:

I was doing SO good at avoiding that place too.

Way to go Rene! I love where you placed it. :cwink: :up:

Okay, I cant help myself, but did you see that post a few above yours. It was paragraph after paragraph of Clark bashing, and it ended with "When is Chloe going to get the guy that she deserves".

Huh!!! :wow: :word:

Ah, the amusement of it all. :D

[Serene]

Way to go Rene! I love where you placed it. :cwink: :up:

Heh. Subtext? I can do subtext. ;)

Okay, I cant help myself, but did you see that post a few above yours. It was paragraph after paragraph of Clark bashing, and it ended with "When is Chloe going to get the guy that she deserves".

Huh!!! :wow: :word:

I didn't. I refuse to read any posts that focus on Clark-bashing simply out of spite.

Ah, the amusement of it all. :D
Yeah, but I've had my quota of that place, for a while at least. It really is ridiculous, but I do like reading the comments from a few of the regulars there who seem to be more level-headed. I give them credit for being more tolerant than I am.

[triplet]

Heh. Subtext? I can do subtext. ;)

Huh?

:confused:

[AgentPat]

Hee! Thanks for posting that KalK. I reposted it in SDKs blog.. just 'cause. :cmad: :cwink:

I was doing SO good at avoiding that place too. :word:I dunno. I think Cmill called it with the whole wedding emphasis and Tricia Helfer's stunt casting in SN. I'm just hoping if people - women or otherwise - were disappointed by Promise they don't tune out for Combat. That's usually what happens. Popular episodes usually contribute to good ratings for subsequent eps, but when people drone on for 20+ pages (reference DeKnight's blog) and most seem to be negative, I start wondering how that will reflect the following week.

Olea posted final viewer ratings through the whole season. I don't have the time to verify these numbers, but I thought it was an interesting summation:

6.01 Zod -- 5.0 million viewers.
6.02 Sneeze -- 4.5 million viewers.
6.03 Wither -- 4.9 million viewers.
6.44 Arrow -- 4.7 million viewers.
6.05 Reunion -- 4.8 million viewers.
6.06 Fallout -- 5.0 million viewers.
6.07 Rage -- 4.5 million viewers.
6.08 Static -- 4.7 million viewers.
6.09 Subterranean -- 4.3 million viewers.
6.10 Hydro -- 4.7 million viewers.
6.11 Justice -- 5.3 million viewers.
6.12 Labyrinth -- 5.0 million viewers.
6.13 Crimson -- 5.0 million viewers.
6.14 Trespass -- 4.7 million viewers.
6.15 Freak -- 4.8 million viewers.
6.16 Promise -- 4.69 million viewers.

Zod and Justice are special cases because the former was a season premiere and the latter was overly hyped due to subject matter. That said, look at the lowest rated ep this season: Subterranean. What episode aired the week before? You guessed it, Static. LOL And here we are again, 10 thousand viewers shy for Promise that watched Static, followed by an episode that is similarly themed and cast as Static, and an episode that a LOT of people loathed. IF Combat does poorly, we'll have some indication as to why.

[Serene]

Popular episodes usually contribute to good ratings for subsequent eps, but when people drone on for 20+ pages (reference DeKnight's blog) and most seem to be negative, I start wondering how that will reflect the following week.

Since when have you considered SDK's blog as a barometer for anything but crazed shipper extremists? Do you not notice that it's the SAME handful of people doing all that droning on? And I'm talking about the TWOP regulars as well as the Clana fans. I'm surprised you give it that much credence.

Regarding my "subtext" post, I was specific for a reason.

I'm just hoping if people - women or otherwise - were disappointed by Promise they don't tune out for Combat.

Well, you could blame Promise if Combat does indeed pull low numbers (and I'm sure people will), but it's just as logical to assume that a lot of viewers simply don't care about an episode featuring wrestlers. If this wasn't my show.. there's no way I'd watch a show that was using wrestlers for stunt-casting. Not my cuppa...

That said, looking at the Fallout numbers, I think it's reasonable to assume that they are doing the wrestling casting again because it successfully drew in big numbers of wrestling fans the last time. So, Combat could very well do big numbers on that alone.

[Cmill216]

But not only did "Static" blow (and boy did it ever), wasn't there a week between the episodes as well? I don't know, but there just wasn't a whole lot going for "Subterranean" to begin with.

[AgentPat]

Since when have you considered SDK's blog as a barometer for anything but crazed shipper extremists? Do you not notice that it's the SAME handful of people doing all that droning on? And I'm talking about the TWOP regulars as well as the Clana fans. I'm surprised you give it that much credence.I didn't give it that much credence. If anything, I was looking at the actual ratings and wondering out loud what Combat was going to do based on what *some* people's opinions have been. Also, depending upon where you go, it's usually the "same" people that hold the floor on the message boards they frequent the most. Some even post to multiple boards. *cough* LOL

Regarding my "subtext" post, I was specific for a reason.I have no clue what you're talking about. LOL No, really. "Subtext?" What subtext? Where?

[triplet]

I dunno if it was Static that gave Sub. it's low numbers, didn't it air a few weeks before Christmas?

I think that is probably a low point in the season, why else would they have shifted it there? They had thought (wrongly) it was the weakest episode of the season and had wanted it left out on the snow to die....

Wasn't Lexmas in the same spot? Damn TV.com won't load so I can't check, but wasn't that the lowest rated episode last season?

Personally, I was perplexed by that. Lexmas was a terrific episode, it was at times romantic and chilling and was very well written and beautifully shot. It was mythic to boot.

It might be important to note that it was a far superior episode to Subterranean and followed a far superior episode than Static in Solitude. So, I'm not sure that ratings dips can be entirely blamed on the previous ep being crappy.... Following Static might not have helped Subeterranean, but I'm not sure anything does well in the holiday shoppiong season.

[Cmill216]

Lexmas earned a 4.0/6

I have no idea what that means, someone translate.

EDIT: Solitude earned a 4.1/6

[Cmill216]

"Hypnotic" looks like it was the lowest rated of the season at a 3.4/5

[triplet]

"Hypnotic" looks like it was the lowest rated of the season at a 3.4/5

I'm not sure how that exactly related to total viewers, I know the share and points more relate to the percentage of tv's that are actually turned on than the number of people watching.

Hypnotic could have had more viewers than Lexmas, but still have a lower share if more TV's were turned on then...

You get my point?

That doesn't tell you how many people watched, just the percentage of available viewers and tvs that were turned on.

And if Hypnotic was really a lower rated ep than Lexmas that proves that ratings dips probably have little to do with the previous ep being crappy, Cyborg was one of the best last season.

[AgentPat]

I dunno if it was Static that gave Sub. it's low numbers, didn't it air a few weeks before Christmas?No doubt, there's a LOT more factors that play into an episode doing good or bad than just the quality of the ep that aired before it. Obviously, advertising plays a big role. Stunt casting helps. Competition in the same time slot. Episode themes. Etc. I am UTTERLY convinced Promise did well in female demographics because of the wedding story arc, and because fair weather male viewers probably tuned out because they were watching the basketball playoffs and had ZERO interest in an episode about Lex and Lana getting married. It was a one two punch. Almost laughable in fact when seen from the POV of the genre and the target audience of the show: males 18-34.

Combat is about a fight club with two WWE wrestlers cast in guest starring roles. Watch them get about *half* of the female demo for that ep that they got for Promise. We here at the Hype don't count though; I'd watch Clark stare at his feet for an entire episode LOLOL!!! ;)

[thebigtree95]

I don't get why Smallville takes so much heat for having a pretty girl in sexy clothes or lack there of, when CSI or Grey Anatomy or Desperate Housewives has the same thing. Is it because Smallville can't get the same big audiences so they get looked down on for failing to get one. It puzzles me.

[RakuMon]

Prime Time Ratings:
Thursday 3/22/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 14.89 million, CBS: 10.52, Fox: 7.63, NBC: 7.11, CW: 3.82

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.6 rating/16 share, CBS: 3.9/11, NBC and Fox: 2.5/ 7 each, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader (Fox), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Ugly Betty (ABC), NCAA Basketball (CBS), October Road (ABC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Scrubs (NBC), Andy Barker, P.I. (NBC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
Opposite the ongoing NCAA Basketball Tournament on CBS, ABC remained firmly entrenched in the Thursday winner’s circle, with an advantage over the No. 2 Eye net of 4.37 million viewers and 44 percent among adults 18-49. Fox moved into the No. 3 spot (tied with NBC among adults 18-49) as a result of Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader, while The CW was at typical Thursday levels.

Beginning with 8 p.m. (and minus CBS’ regularly scheduled Survivor: Fiji for the second consecutive Thursday), ABC and Fox shared top-rated honors in the hour. ABC’s Ugly Betty was first in total viewers (10.47 million) and third among adults 18-49 (3.2/10); Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader on Fox was second in total viewers (10.45 million -- thisclose to Ugly Betty) and first in the demo (3.6/11 -- one-tenth of a rating point ahead of the first hour of NCAA Basketball on CBS - 3.5/11). Comparatively, however, Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader slipped from its debut in the hour from one week earlier (Viewers: 12.56 million; A18-49: 4.6/13 on March 15, based on the final nationals) by a considerable 2.1 million viewers and 22 percent among adults 18-49. But given how Fox is suddenly on the Thursday 8 p.m. map, that’s another winner’s listing for 5th Grader. Let’s see what happens next week when it faces Survivor: Fiji on CBS for the first time.

Over at CBS, the ongoing NCAA Basketball Tournament averaged a respectable 10.52 million viewers and a 3.9/11 among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m., which was slightly below levels from one year earlier.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour was an hour-long repeat episode of NBC’s My Name Is Earl (Viewers: #4, 6.73 million; A18-49: #4, 2.5/ 8) and Smallville on The CW (Viewers: #5, 4.2 million; A18-49: #5, .7/ 5).

Without CBS’ CSI in the competitive mix, it was no contest at 9 p.m., with Grey’s Anatomy on ABC a healthy first at 21.89 million viewers and an 8.7/22 among adults 18-49. Grey’s Anatomy was, of course, the highest rated show of the evening. Next was the middle hour of NCAA Basketball on CBS (Viewers: 11.88 million; A18-49: 4.2/11), followed by NBC sitcoms Scrubs (Viewers: #4, 6.84 million; A18-49: #3, 2.9/ 7) and week two of Andy Barker, P.I. (Viewers: #3, 5.40 million; A18-49: #3, 2.2/ 6). Compared to its already lackluster debut one week earlier (Viewers: 5.96 million; A18-49: 2.4/ 6 on March 15, based on the final nationals), Andy Barker dipped by 560,000 viewers and eight percent in the demo.

Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour were repeats of Fox’s animated Family Guy (Viewers: #4, 5.42 million; A8-49: #4, 2.2/ 6) and American Dad (Viewers: #4, 4.20 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 5), and Supernatural on The CW (Viewers: #5, 3.52 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4). Retention for Supernatural out of Smallville was a solid 85 percent in total viewers and 82 percent among adults 18-49 last night.

In week two 10 p.m. news, ABC drama October Road led the hour with 12.29 million viewers and a 4.9/14 among adults 18-49. But as positive as that may sound, keep in mind that:

1) October Road dipped from its final national debut performance one week earlier (Viewers: 13.93 million; A18-49: 5.6/15 on March 15) by 1.64 million viewers and 12 percent in the demo.

2) Retention out of lead-in Grey’ Anatomy was just 56 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49.

With that in mind, October Road has been down-graded to Honorable Mention this week.

Week two of NBC’s Raines was third in the hour behind October Road and NCAA Basketball, with 8.63 million viewers and a 2.5/ 7 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that was down from its national debut performance (Viewers: 10.46 million; A18-49: 2.9/ 8 on March 15) by 1.83 million viewers and 14 percent in the demo. Worth positively noting for Raines, however, was growth of 3.23 million viewers and 14 percent among adults 18-49 out of lead-in Andy Barker, P.I.

Source: Nielsen Media Research datahttp://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/98310214

[RakuMon]

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.77 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.46 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
8:00 p.m. V: 3.50 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3

[avidreader]

^^^^ Those numbers dont include any estimate for what Chicago may have done, right?

[Cmill216]

SPN's picking up some steam. Very nice. :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Good for SPN, those retention numbers are very good.

[Cmill216]

SV's doing a solid job considering everything it's up against (5th Graders and Basketball). But, IMO, those SPN numbers are just plain WOW worthy.

[triplet]

WOW worthy?

LOL!

Yeah, maybe, but I thought musta been because the tease of a werewolf Emanuelle Vaugier...

:D

[thebigtree95]

Also in the 8 p.m. hour was an hour-long repeat episode of NBC’s My Name Is Earl (Viewers: #4, 6.73 million; A18-49: #4, 2.5/ 8) and Smallville on The CW (Viewers: #5, 4.2 million; A18-49: #5, .7/ 5).


Source: Nielsen Media Research datahttp://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/98310214


I think the 18-49 is actually supose to be 1.7 and not .7, not that it matters for purposes here, but...

[Cmill216]

WOW worthy?

LOL!

Wel yeah, trip, I mean the ratings for the show for the last several episodes have been some the highest of this year, despite the now added competition of basketball on CBS. I think that's a really good sign that the show still has enough of a drawing power to bring it back for a third season. And as one of their execs (can't remember who) stated, I'm not sure how many shows they could put in that time slot that could do nearly as well.

Yeah, maybe, but I thought musta been because the tease of a werewolf Emanuelle Vaugier...

Well....hey....you gotta do what you gotta do. :hyper:

Good golly I enjoyed it, too. Funny, tense, sexy, and so damn tragic.

[The Incredible Hulk]

hey people love their werewolves. We havent had a good Werewolf TV show in a long time... and DONT say "Wolf Lake" with Lou Diamond Phillips.....

[AgentPat]

Finals from TravisYanan:

Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

Folks, those numbers are pathetic for SV. And I'm not so sure the pre-emption in Chicago is completely to blame. Here's a few interesting quotes from the posters over at Pifeedback:

Why do final numbers go down for some shows but up for others [from the fast nationals?][Smallville and] Supernatural were preempted in the Chicago market for a Bulls game, brucej. That's the third largest market in the country. Fast nationals will count every set tuned in to the Bulls game on the CW affiliate, while the finals take them out.

Also, fast nationals aren't every single small market counted. They extrapolate. That's why finals will always raise or lower at least a little. If an unusually large amount of small markets tune in, the numbers can rise more than a little....or fall if the opposite is true.

You know, it's really pathetic that a "network" like CW can be preempted in the third largest market in the country. It's going to be preempted on the 19th of April, too--also in Chicago--when Smallville and Supernatural return with new episodes. For a Cubs game.The change is only a couple of hundred thousand viewers. Chicago will not make or break any show or any ratings data. 5% may be 'significant', but it isn't bigger than other week to week fluctuations that can/do occur. Meanwhile, I'd guess that more Chicagoans watch the Bulls than watch CW's Thursday series', so of course the station is happy. At this point, the CW network is probably relieved to have a happy station in Chicago, not annoyed that said station dares to preempt their shows.One person early in the thread at Pifeedback speculated the lower numbers might have to do with last week's episode. Another poster said his wife - who is an avid SV viewer - didn't watch Combat because the story as teased didn't interest her. So it could be a combination of all of the above, which is a bummer.

And the fresh episode after the break will be pre-empted in Chicago too.

This sux! If CW is paying attention to THESE ratings, things could get dicey.

From my personal POV and humble opinion, this Lex/Lana/baby horse poop can't end soon enough, because I DO believe it has a lot to do with the recent sub-par ratings. :mad:

[Eros]

Finals from TravisYanan:

Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

Folks, those numbers are pathetic for SV. And I'm not so sure the pre-emption in Chicago is completely to blame. Here's a few interesting quotes from the posters over at Pifeedback:

One person early in the thread at Pifeedback speculated the lower numbers might have to do with last week's episode. Another poster said his wife - who is an avid SV viewer - didn't watch Combat because the story as teased didn't interest her. So it could be a combination of all of the above, which is a bummer.

And the fresh episode after the break will be pre-empted in Chicago too.

This sux! If CW is paying attention to THESE ratings, things could get dicey.

From my personal POV and humble opinion, this Lex/Lana/baby horse poop can't end soon enough, because I DO believe it has a lot to do with the recent sub-par ratings. :mad:


well I admit these are the lowest rateings all season. You would think an episode like Combat would have atleast 5 mil. Im sure if CW shows up beter previews, and the Lex/Lana/Clark soap opera settles down just alittle, rateings will go up again.

[triplet]

Wel yeah, trip, I mean the ratings for the show for the last several episodes have been some the highest of this year, despite the now added competition of basketball on CBS. I think that's a really good sign that the show still has enough of a drawing power to bring it back for a third season. And as one of their execs (can't remember who) stated, I'm not sure how many shows they could put in that time slot that could do nearly as well.

Yeah, true. I mean SPN replaced something last year and did a much better job hanging onto Smallville's viewers than what had originally followed it.


Well....hey....you gotta do what you gotta do. :hyper:

Good golly I enjoyed it, too. Funny, tense, sexy, and so damn tragic.

I really enjoyed it too, but damn was that sex scene was smokin'....

Jared is in fine shape. Having him shirtless and that being the rumored episode where he was finally going to get some might not have hurt...

;)

I know that made me more interested, and it was sexy as hell to boot.

hey people love their werewolves. We havent had a good Werewolf TV show in a long time... and DONT say "Wolf Lake" with Lou Diamond Phillips.....

LOL!

:D

[The Incredible Hulk]

Finals from TravisYanan:

Smallville
- 4.067 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.379 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

Folks, those numbers are pathetic for SV. And I'm not so sure the pre-emption in Chicago is completely to blame. Here's a few interesting quotes from the posters over at Pifeedback:

One person early in the thread at Pifeedback speculated the lower numbers might have to do with last week's episode. Another poster said his wife - who is an avid SV viewer - didn't watch Combat because the story as teased didn't interest her. So it could be a combination of all of the above, which is a bummer.

And the fresh episode after the break will be pre-empted in Chicago too.

This sux! If CW is paying attention to THESE ratings, things could get dicey.

From my personal POV and humble opinion, this Lex/Lana/baby horse poop can't end soon enough, because I DO believe it has a lot to do with the recent sub-par ratings. :mad:

I dont think it has much to do with the previews, if anything watching Clark go blow for blow with a giant alien would be more appealing to the show's target demo of males 18-34.

You've got to take into account that Smallville also had a juggernaut in it's key demo in the NCAA Tournament. There were teams playing on Thursday night from Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Memphis, Dallas, Columbus, OH, and Nashville. Those are some pretty sizable markets not to mention the overall national interest in the Tournament.

The past two seasons I think the show came back later from it's second hiatus and I dont believe that it ever went up against the Tourney,

[avidreader]

This sux! If CW is paying attention to THESE ratings, things could get dicey.

From my personal POV and humble opinion, this Lex/Lana/baby horse poop can't end soon enough, because I DO believe it has a lot to do with the recent sub-par ratings. :mad:

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldnt worry too much over one episode dipping in the ratings. The numbers have been quite consistent this season, and while I'm sure they would love to get a million more viewers each week, its still the best rated scripted show on the network. And the numbers always drop off once daylight savings starts, which started earlier this year.

I think the Network itself needs to do alot more in terms of advertising etc.

And as much as I would love 8 seasons, I think if next season is the last then I'd be a very satisfied viewer. Its a shame that they dont know for sure if it would be the last season, because if they could advertise it as such, then I think that would bring in alot more viewers.

[AgentPat]

Who writes this stuff? As printed on K-Site's "news" page, regarding ratings for Combat:

Smallville's overnight ratings were decent on Thursday night, despite pre-emption in Chicago and a general lack of enthusiasm in the fandom for a "super-hero fight club."

Say WHAT? The ratings weren't "decent." They were atrocious - the WORST of the season so far. But fan enthusiasm seemed to be pretty high nevertheless based on some of the sites I perused (Hype, BT's, K-Site, DTS, DTW, and even DeKnight's blog.) Where the hell have THEY been reading, and what "fandom" are they referring to? :rolleyes:

[KalKai]

7th Heaven Cancelled (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070330:tv-22534f95c7d70806d65af69cd00d90e3__ER:1;_ylt=AivYEd CgHc6TrvWdAkA_u2yAo9EF)

:eek: :D

[Cmill216]

7th Heaven Cancelled (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070330:tv-22534f95c7d70806d65af69cd00d90e3__ER:1;_ylt=AivYEd CgHc6TrvWdAkA_u2yAo9EF)


http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9114/noooonr5.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

7th Heaven Cancelled (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20070330:tv-22534f95c7d70806d65af69cd00d90e3__ER:1;_ylt=AivYEd CgHc6TrvWdAkA_u2yAo9EF)

:eek: :D

That show is like Jason Voorhees. You can cut off it's head and burn it's corpse and it would still come back. I wont believe it's dead again until next September when it's not in the lineup.

Looks like Dawn Ostroff blew another one....

[KalKai]

Well Kristin isn't exactly the most reliable source out there (remember this (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=75a31622-f0e6-4166-be21-798de6671716)?), but something tells me it's for real this time.

They already gave it a 2nd chance last year, and 7th Heaven isn't what it used to be ratings-wise, there isn't really a good enough reason to keep it around.

[KalKai]

Here we go, this is from Craig at TWoP:

"The CW announced this weekend that 7th Heaven IS definitely ending this year."

:)

[Serene]

Here we go, this is from Craig at TWoP:

"The CW announced this weekend that 7th Heaven IS definitely ending this year."

:)

Oh. Was that still on? :dry:

:p

[AssMan]

Here we go, this is from Craig at TWoP:

"The CW announced this weekend that 7th Heaven IS definitely ending this year."


I will believe that when I see it. The CW = 7th Heaven whores

[KalKai]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7346

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/images/breaking-news.jpg
[04.03.07 - 03:37 PM]
'7TH' HEADS TO HEAVEN, AGAIN
By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- 11 seasons, 243 episodes and one resurrection later, "7th Heaven" will officially call it quits on Sunday, May 13 at 8:00/7:00c.

The news, confirmed by the CW yesterday, comes less than a year after its much-ballyhooed reprieve by the netlet.

To date this season the series has averaged 3.24 million viewers with solid numbers among adults 18-34 (1.3 rating) and women 18-34 (1.9 rating).

The original swan song - "And Thank You" - drew 7.2 million viewers on May 8, 2006.

[Cmill216]

Editastic.

[Cmill216]

LMAO. Kal's all over the "Death of 7th Heaven" story. :D :up:

[triplet]

Here's another story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070403/en_nm/heaven_dc;_ylt=AtvKbiplZ5.A7ifRb9hn88dxFb8C

"Heaven" series finale set for May
By Kimberly Nordyke

It's a wrap for "7th Heaven." The long-running drama, which debuted in 1996 on WB Network and now airs on the CW, will have its series finale May 13 in its regular 8 p.m. slot. The hour-long episode, titled "And Away We Go," will actually mark the second time the show was scheduled to have a series finale.

"Heaven's" 10th-season finale aired on WB in May amid much fanfare about it being the series closer, delivering its highest marks in more than two years with an episode that appeared to wrap up many loose ends in the show about a minister (Stephen Collins) and his sprawling family.

But the CW, which launched in September after the merger of WB and UPN, gave "Heaven" a last-minute renewal in May, announcing that the show would return in fall 2006 in its signature Monday 8 p.m. slot as part of the CW's inaugural lineup. In October, the network switched its Sunday and Monday lineups, moving "Heaven" to 8 p.m. Sunday.

Season-to-date, the series is averaging 3.4 million total viewers and a 1.3 rating in the network's target demo of adults 18-34.

"Heaven," whose debut on August 26, 1996, marked the first-ever Monday broadcast of the then-fledging WB Network, will bow out as the longest-running family drama on television

[AgentPat]

...the show would return in fall 2006 in its signature Monday 8 p.m. slot as part of the CW's inaugural lineup. In October, the network switched its Sunday and Monday lineups, moving "Heaven" to 8 p.m. Sunday.

Season-to-date, the series is averaging 3.4 million total viewers and a 1.3 rating in the network's target demo of adults 18-34...Proving once again that time slots matter. It isn't the ONLY thing that matters, but it can be devastating.

[AgentPat]

Fast nationals are in:


Total Viewers:
ABC: 13.44 million, CBS: 12.72, Fox: 7.20, NBC: 7.06, CW: 3.81

Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.2 rating/15 share, CBS: 3.6/10, NBC: 3.1/ 9, Fox: 2.5/ 7, CW: 1.6/ 4


Smallville
Viewers: 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5.

Supernatural
Viewers: 3.58 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4.


SV might actually drop below 4M this week when the finals come in (due to the preemptions again in Chicago.)

[avidreader]

It was also pre-empted in San Antonio, although I'm not sure how big that market is.

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ 9th biggest media market in the US

[AgentPat]

It was also pre-empted in San Antonio, although I'm not sure how big that market is.Not as big as Chicago, but it'll definitely make a dent.

Apparently, a lot of shows in the 8pm time slot this week were down, so I guess this is par for the course for spring and DST. People just aren't inside watching TV early in the evening at that time, and especially in the summer.

May sweeps kick in soon, so I hope the ratings go up a little before the summer hiatus.

[Cmill216]

Blah numbers for SV. Good numbers for SPN.

[Eros]

I actually enjoyed supernatural more then smallville, last nights hollywood episode renewed my interest in the show.

[AgentPat]

I actually enjoyed supernatural more then smallville, last nights hollywood episode renewed my interest in the show.LOL!!!









Ditto :ninja:

[Prison Mike]

At least Smallville is consistent.

[AgentPat]

Finals from Travis over at PiFeedback:

Smallville
- 3.976 million viewers
- 2.4/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.9/7 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.251 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

The preemptions in various markets took its toll, which sux. Oh well.

[KalKai]

Gilmore Girls didn't do so well either:

Gilmore Girls
- 3.793 million viewers
- 2.7/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 2.1/6 A18-34

All shows took a hit after the hiatus.

[avidreader]

My kids are on Spring Break this week, and I'm sure our district isnt the only district. Its just so typical for this time of the year for the ratings to fall off a bit.

[AgentPat]

Excerpt from Variety's roundup of TV Ratings for last week:

The CW was paced as usual by Wednesday's "America's Next Top Model" (2.6/8, 5.20m), which nearly won its hour in 18-49 while prevailing in adults 18-34 (3.2/10). Net was also bolstered by the first original episodes in a while for "Gilmore Girls" (1.7/5, 3.79m) and "Smallville" (1.7/5, 3.98m).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963716


And from E-Online, the following excerpt listed as a "ratings highlight" from the TV week ended Sunday:

Smallville (88th place, 4 million) and Gilmore Girls (91st place, 3.793 million) kept the CW from being otherwise distinguished by Friday Night Smackdown (92nd place, 3.785 million).

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=96bc836a-5f9c-4813-ba8d-4f4c4b37d94c


Despite seemingly low ratings last week, SV is still CW's #1 scripted show. :)

[AgentPat]

Ratings for Nemesis:

From PiFeedback:

Smallville, Viewers: #5, 3.93 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4.
Supernatural, Viewers: #5, 3.34 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3.

Supernatural's retention out of Smallville was considerably stronger at 85 percent in viewers and 93 percent among adults 18-49.

Half hour breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.69 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 4.18 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 4

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.53 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
9:30 p.m. V: 3.16 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3


From Variety:

"Smallville" (1.5/4 in 18-49, 3.9 million viewers overall) was off about 20% vs. the same night a year ago on the WB but lead-out "Supernatural" (1.4/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall) was on par with its 2006 numbers.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963915


Thursday was the first day for May sweeps.

[Cmill216]

but lead-out "Supernatural" (1.4/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall) was on par with its 2006 numbers.

And considering those 2006 numbers weren't against Grey's Anatomy....:up:

[rumpuso]

Thanks for posting the numbers, Pat. Do you have any thoughts why Smallville's numbers were 20% off from last years numbers at this time? I know the numbers lower at this time of year, but they seem to have lowered even more within that parameter. Just curious...

[Whiteflag]

Thanks for posting the numbers, Pat. Do you have any thoughts why Smallville's numbers were 20% off from last years numbers at this time? I know the numbers lower at this time of year, but they seem to have lowered even more within that parameter. Just curious...

From a completely un-scientific point of view, I blame Lexana and the lack of a consistent arc for Clark this season.

[AssMan]

I blame Lexana

Indeed

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/i/fr/tv/s/starg.jpg

[AgentPat]

Thanks for posting the numbers, Pat. Do you have any thoughts why Smallville's numbers were 20% off from last years numbers at this time? I know the numbers lower at this time of year, but they seem to have lowered even more within that parameter. Just curious...

From a completely un-scientific point of view, I blame Lexana and the lack of a consistent arc for Clark this season.I think it's a little bit of a lot of things.

Competition:
Seems heavier now. As pathetic as it sounds, "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" took a serious bite out of everybody's ratings, even "Ugly Betty's." Last year, the two shows in that time slot on those networks were "That '70s Show" and "American Inventor." So yeah, big changes in options for the 8pm time slot.

Story arc:
Stepping back from the fandom, I think this year's antagonist arcs may have bored a lot of fans. The Phantom Zoners were a great way of upping the threat, but when you boil them down, they're just stronger FOTWs, and that gets monotonous. Last year, the Brainiac arc was a lot more meatier and carried over with the same character throughout the *entire* season.

This year, the overriding story arc has been Lex and Lana and a non baby. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif
It's by far, the most soap opera-ish the show has ever gotten. The focus isn't necessarily a bad one, but the couple in question isn't necessarily a popular one either.

Show age:
SV is getting long in the tooth. It has its dedicated fan base [raises hand] that will watch no matter what, but ratings aren't made up of 100% dedicated fans. There's a LOT of attrition; viewers come and go. The trick is hooking them so that they DO return the following week, which is hard to do with eps that aren't overwhelmingly strong or special. This plays back into story arcs and why we see a lot of stunt casting.

With increased age, the show also gets more expensive. It may be why there is less of an emphasis on promotion, which doesn't help bring in new fans - something every show wants.

Next year:
They HAVE to refocus and get the show back on a more popular track. Look at past episodes to see what drummed up the most buzz. *cough*Justice*cough*. Bring back old JLA heroes for a few eps if possible (MM is a good start). Amp up the 33.1 project and farm it for good stand-alone eps. Introduce a new nemesis like Brainiac for a recurring role (could be 33.1 related.) End the Lana/Lex marriage and get her Away. From. LEX ASAP! Get Lois working at The Planet with Olsen. Start using Lana as Clark's confidant (assuming Kreuk returns). Introduce a romantic partner for Clark (could be new or existing). Such episodes are popular with audiences (Lana, Chloe, Lois, Alicia, Kyla, Raya, etc.) and it keeps the mushy B stories (LOL!) still focused around him. And finally, for the love of Rao, include more shirtless Clark scenes! :mad: ;) :D

LOL!

I think that covers it. :hyper:

[Whiteflag]

I think it's a little bit of a lot of things.

Competition:
Seems heavier now. As pathetic as it sounds, "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" took a serious bite out of everybody's ratings, even "Ugly Betty's." Last year, the two shows in that time slot on those networks were "That '70s Show" and "American Inventor." So yeah, big changes in options for the 8pm time slot.

Story arc:
Stepping back from the fandom, I think this year's antagonist arcs may have bored a lot of fans. The Phantom Zoners were a great way of upping the threat, but when you boil them down, they're just stronger FOTWs, and that gets monotonous. Last year, the Brainiac arc was a lot more meatier and carried over with the same character throughout the *entire* season.

This year, the overriding story arc has been Lex and Lana and a non baby. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/ohwell.gif
It's by far, the most soap opera-ish the show has ever gotten. The focus isn't necessarily a bad one, but the couple in question isn't necessarily a popular one either.

Show age:
SV is getting long in the tooth. It has its dedicated fan base [raises hand] that will watch no matter what, but ratings aren't made up of 100% dedicated fans. There's a LOT of attrition; viewers come and go. The trick is hooking them so that they DO return the following week, which is hard to do with eps that aren't overwhelmingly strong or special. This plays back into story arcs and why we see a lot of stunt casting.

With increased age, the show also gets more expensive. It may be why there is less of an emphasis on promotion, which doesn't help bring in new fans - something every show wants.

Next year:
They HAVE to refocus and get the show back on a more popular track. Look at past episodes to see what drummed up the most buzz. *cough*Justice*cough*. Bring back old JLA heroes for a few eps if possible (MM is a good start). Amp up the 33.1 project and farm it for good stand-alone eps. Introduce a new nemesis like Brainiac for a recurring role (could be 33.1 related.) End the Lana/Lex marriage and get her Away. From. LEX ASAP! Get Lois working at The Planet with Olsen. Start using Lana as Clark's confidant (assuming Kreuk returns). Introduce a romantic partner for Clark (could be new or existing). Such episodes are popular with audiences (Lana, Chloe, Lois, Alicia, Kyla, Raya, etc.) and it keeps the mushy B stories (LOL!) still focused around him. And finally, for the love of Rao, include more shirtless Clark scenes! :mad: ;) :D

LOL!

I think that covers it. :hyper:

Great post, Pat! :up:

And about episodes like Justice, I wouldn't mind having other heroes back as long as they don't take the focus away from Clark. This is his show, after all.

[Brainiac 8]

If there is to be more shirtless Clark, then it's only fair that we getting more shirtless Durance in the process.....hmmm....maybe during the same scenes. :p

[KalKai]

Say goodbye to the Gilmore Girls (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964212.html?categoryid=14&cs=1)

After weeks of talks aimed at bringing the show back for a limited run next season, the CW and Warner Bros. TV have decided to wrap production on the quirky dramedy that focused on fast-talking femmes. Skein, now in its seventh season, will air its final episode May 15.

"Gilmore" was a holdover from the now-defunct WB network. Debuting in 2000, it quickly became one of the Frog's signature skeins, with crix eating up the witty banter between mom Lorelai (Lauren Graham) and her daughter Rory (Alexis Bledel). Series was set in the fictional hamlet of Stars Hollow, CT.

CW and WBTV released a joint statement noting the passing Thursday morning.

"Announcing the final season of 'Gilmore Girls' is truly a sad moment for everyone at The CW and Warner Bros. Television," statement read. "This series helped define a network and created a fantastic, storybook world featuring some of television's most memorable, lovable characters."

David Rosenthal exec produced and served as showrunner on the current season of "Gilmore," which was created by Amy Sherman-Palladino. WBTV and CW thanked the producers and cast for their work, as well as crix who supported the show with glowing reviews.

"(We) promise to give this series the send off it deserves," statement said.

[avidreader]

That's bad new about GG. I dont watch it as regularly as I used to, I just couldnt get into this season, but I would have thought that the finale had already been filmed. I hope they new then that it was going to be the end.

[AgentPat]

Thursday finals for Noir, from Travis Yanan over at PiFeedback:

Smallville
- 3.586 million viewers
- 2.1/4 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 1.6/5 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.115 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.5/4 A18-34


With GG being canceled, SN will most likely be renewed. Only question now is will they keep it in the same timeslot vs use it as a lead in like SV on another night.

[Billy Batson]

I blame that movie for the poor ratings.
SUPERMAN is dead. :csad:

[triplet]

An interesting article on the upfronts skedded for next week....

Confusion reigns at key U.S. TV upfront season
By Paul Thomasch
Wed May 9, 1:34 PM ET

The annual process of buying and selling billions of dollars worth of commercial time on U.S. television has always been a tricky business -- but never this tricky.

As media executives head into next week's annual upfront presentations, when TV networks showcase their fall programs and book commitments for about $9 billion in prime-time advertising, they face unprecedented questions over how to set prices.

That's because viewing patterns are changing, thanks to the spread of digital video recorders (DVRs) and the broadcast of some TV shows over the Internet. Audience measurement standards are changing, too, with new ratings that count how many people watch commercials or watch recordings of shows.

"I don't know that it can be any more complicated," said Lisa Herdman, vice president and associate director of network programming at RPA, an advertising and media buying agency.

The upfront, first established for auto makers to lock up commercial time back in the 1950s, amounts to one of the year's most important weeks for both broadcasters and marketers.

Each spring at landmark New York spots like Lincoln Center or Carnegie Hall, networks ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox unveil their fall prime-time lineups to crowds of marketers and media buyers. Lavish cocktail parties follow, while actual negotiations on ad deals can last well into the night.

Those deals can account for 80 percent of TV advertising time for the season, and usually include some guarantee for marketers that programs will attract a certain size audience. Last year, about $9 billion worth of deals were struck.

About the same amount of money should change hands this year, advertising executives predict, although some TV network executives have forecast a stronger market.

Both sides, however, see deals looking far different than in the past and say the whole process could be slowed down by uncertainty over how arrangements will be structured.

"I think the biggest shortcoming on the upfront is there's still a fair amount of confusion, disagreement among the agencies about what the pricing standard is going to be," Peter Chernin, chief operating officer at News Corp, which owns Fox, said on Wednesday.

ABC is owned by Walt Disney Co., CBS is owned by CBS Corp. and NBC is owned by General Electric Co.. Last year, analysts say Fox showed the biggest jump in revenue thanks to hits like "American Idol," and "24."

SEISMIC CHANGE'

The chief reason for the confusion is that DVRs and the Web have caused a wholesale shift in how Americans watch TV.

"The way people view television is changing dramatically," said Rino Scanzoni, Chief Investment Officer of WPP Group Plc's GroupM, a consortium of media buying operations. "There has been a seismic change."

DVRs, for instance, have allowed viewers to watch their favorite shows at their leisure. To date, that audience hasn't been counted in the standard ratings provided by Nielsen Media Research, accounting for a decline in prime-time TV audiences during the original broadcast hours, experts say.

CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves recently estimated that about 7 percent of the 18-to-49 year-old audience prized by advertisers is not being counted because of DVR viewership.

"That is a big chunk of the viewing pie," Moonves told investors this month, adding that he wanted to be paid for those viewers and was confident the DVR audience would be included in this year's deals.

Even those who agree DVR viewers should be counted cannot agree on how long the audience should be given to watch the recording. Should viewers who watch the recording within one day of broadcast count toward ratings? Three days? A week?

Commercial skipping is another complicating factor. With Nielsen expected to issue publicly a commercial ratings service in the coming weeks, for the first time numbers will be widely available to show how many viewership through program breaks.

But whether -- or how -- those numbers will be used as the standard rating measurement in this year's deals is unclear.

Another major variable in talks will be the issue of commercial time on the networks' Internet sites and other digital media, which are becoming a larger component of TV ad negotiations as media companies try to capitalize on the audience watching shows on the Web.

"There is just so much that buyers and sellers need to understand before we're going to jump with two feet into this market," said Bill McOwen, director of media investments for Havas media buyer MPG North America

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070509/tv_nm/advertising_upfronts_dc;_ylt=AtP7vDaAbE6hHmZti9h0u P9pMhkF

What makes this good for Smallville is that it is one of the most recorded shows on DVR...

Them counting the DVR views could have a huge positive impact for Smallville's ratings...

:up:

[avidreader]

MediaWeek:

The CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.36 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4).

This is really disheartening. Although, I believe its still doing better than most of the CW shows.

I think they seriously need to make up their minds that next season will be the last and showcase it as the last season, so they can make it BIG and SPECTACULAR and get every one back into watch it so it can go out on a high note.

[heliorei]

MediaWeek:

The CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.36 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4).

This is really disheartening. Although, I believe its still doing better than most of the CW shows.

I think they seriously need to make up their minds that next season will be the last and showcase it as the last season, so they can make it BIG and SPECTACULAR and get every one back into watch it so it can go out on a high note.

That's almost 2 million less than Justice. :csad: :cmad:

Only comparing with other shows but it seems Thrusday is too much for Smallville, at least since Promise.


I agree with you: season 7 should be the last: make it big and spectacular.

[AgentPat]

As posted by Marc Berman over at PiFeedback:

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.36 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4).
Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.84 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3).

Half hour breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.19 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 3.54 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 2.90 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.79 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3


Here are a few comments excerpted from the PiFeedback forums:

Petedagrk1:
"This week has to be a all time low for the CW especially now that its in sweeps....Top Model didn't even get 5 million this week."

Wenart25:
"Not true, the CW has low ratings back in February during sweeps. This is the only other time that Supernatural has been under 3 million viewers. The first time was with the episode "Born Under a Bad Sign," which garnered about 2.88 million viewers. So it has happened before, but for some reason, I just do not understand it."

Robert:
"...every show is waaaay down on its average numbers (minus Without a Trace). Horrible numbers for CW's shows. Season low for Betty and 5th Grader. CSI and Grey's not even close to 20 million. NBC's shows once again way down."

Xavier:
"This has to be the slowest May sweep Thursday in years. Most shows improve one week before their finales, but most everything drooped week to week, and shows that aired a year ago saw 20%+ declines. Grey's Anatomy (if nationals hold up), will tie a season low. I think the combo of the earlier DST and DVR is the true culprit. DVRing was less necessary when it was colder and dark by 8pm, but now it's daylight til 9pm or later some places and most people's viewing habits have changed as they always do in spring. I am a huge LOST fan, for instance, but missed 4 straight weeks because my whole life habits changed when spring came, so I DVRed the episodes. Same with DH, Ugly Betty, Grey's and even Heroes. Plus the spring storylines for all these shows (maybe save Heroes) have been weak and not appointment viewing, which I think is also having an impact. If my theory is true, these numbers will rebound in the fall. If I ran a network, I'd look at shortening the season to end before DST starts in March for these serialized shows (air them without repeat) and then start a new summer season with lighter easier-to-follow shows in April."

Asiancolossus:
"Everything is down, it is so easy for posters to write off all the shows they don't watch because of low ratings, but everything seems to be down across the board. Yes even American Idol! Seems that with DVR, any show that does 10 million nowadays with decent demos should be considered a hit."

Soccer7SG:
"What is up with the CW? It seems like EVERYTHING has very low ratings this week! Although this makes me less worried about my shows since it seems to be a general decline for the network..."

[The Incredible Hulk]

They're right, the CW network as a whole and pretty much every other Network has been down in May. Why that is? I'm not sure. It's not like DVR didnt exist last year, although this season was the first one where the Nets started streaming the shows on the internet, though SV doesnt have that as an excuse, although according to market survey's it is one of the most DVR'd shows, yet that wont show up in the Neilsen's until next year I believe.

I'd expect more of a shakeup at the CW on the management side of things as opposed to the content. Their marketing/promotional plan is ***** so that may (and should) change as a result. Some of the TV guys here have been hearing rumors that Ostroff may be out if they dont have a strong finish to their TV season (which is basically the next 2 weeks). They're losing two of their "heavyweights" next season in 7H and GG and are pretty desperate to replace them with something and her track record for new shows from last year is awful. I wouldnt be worried about SV, GG, or ANTM right now. Those are the only shows keeping the CW above that silly "MyNetworkTV" that replaced the WB/UPN affiliates that didnt convert to the CW last fall.

[avidreader]

^^^^ Always the voice of logic Hulk. Thanks.

I feel a little better knowing all the Networks are down and I would be very interested to see those DVR results. Are DVR'd results not included in Nielsen Ratings?

And yes, the advertising and promo trailers have been the absolute pits this season on the CW, they need to fire that guy pronto.

[Serene]

I'm not expert on the ratings game, but I did hear some TV celebrity talking on the radio today about how the usual "Sweeps weeks" are going to become a thing of the past, and very soon. Apparently there is some new system that gives an instant rating as opposed to what the current one does?? He said the name of it, but I don't remember.

[AssMan]

according to market survey's it is one of the most DVR'd shows, yet that wont show up in the Neilsen's until next year I believe

I wonder how Supernatural has been doing on the XBOX Live Marketplace. They do update with the newer episodes weekly I guess that can factor in with Supernaturals ratings

[AgentPat]

The latest on CW's woes...

5/11/07

The CW still seeks its signature series
Network survives first season
By JOSEF ADALIAN

It's crunch time for the CW.

The lovechild of CBS Corp. and Warner Bros. has survived its first season, a little battered but still kicking. It didn't turn a profit in its first season (contrary to what its leaders had boldly predicted), but it also didn't suffer the sort of wholesale viewer rejection that some believed was a very real possibility.

That's largely because the net deliberately avoided serving up much new programming during season one, focusing its energies on getting auds to tune in their old WB and UPN faves on CW. It worked well enough: Ratings for the new net were about the same as what either the WB or UPN had been averaging.

"Last year was a year for viewers to find a new network and for us to find ourselves," says CW Entertainment prexy Dawn Ostroff.

Next season promises to be tougher.

The CW is desperately looking for its "Dawson's Creek" -- a buzzworthy show that can help put it on the map as its own entity.

THE STRATEGY

With "Gilmore Girls" and "7th Heaven" both goners, it's a sure bet CW will launch at least two dramas in the fall. Unless the net chooses to move its Monday comedy block, the new blood will likely be paired with reality skeins on Tuesday and Wednesday.

[b]Thursdays should stay stable at 8, with "Smallville" leading into either the returning "Supernatural" or a new skein.[b]

Biggest scheduling dilemma for CW execs is what to do about Sunday nights. With "Heaven" closed for good, net has no incumbent players on a night that has seriously underperformed.

Monday's comedy block will have an opening or two, with "All of Us" dead and "Girlfriends" not yet renewed.

It's possible CW will shift some laffers to Sunday, giving the idea of comedy on the night another try following last fall's short-lived foray into weekend laffers.

And while "America's Top Model" and "Beauty and the Geek" have traditionally spelled each other, CW could opt to put both on in the fall. Reality has performed very well for the net this season, so it makes sense for it to load up on the genre.

THE PLAYERS

Biggest buzzmaker for the CW next fall will be "Gossip Girl," the sudsy hour about rich kids in New York from "The OC" creator Josh Schwartz. It's hyper-targeted toward the net's young female audience, but broad enough to be CW's first potential breakout hit.

"We could definitely use a home run," Ostroff says, calling "Gossip" a show that's "more than just a typical soap."

Another pilot long considered a favorite to land a slot on the sked is the Kevin Smith-helmed "Reaper." It's a combination horror/comedy hour about a man who ends up chasing souls for Satan.

And don't count out the untitled South Africa-set family drama based on the Blighty format "Wild at Heart." It could be the sort of family fare the net needs on Sundays.

On the comedy front, "Hell on Earth" -- about a mean girl who gets a second chance at life -- sounds like a contender. Execs also have high hopes for "Dash 4 Cash," a laffer about a fake reality show.

CW is also developing a slew of real reality shows. Mother-daughter beauty pageant "Crowned" is a fall contender, while dating show "Farmer Takes a Wife" could air midseason.

Then there's "CW Now," a sort of "Entertainment Tonight" for the See-Dub generation. It could be used to fill some holes midseason or perhaps in the summer.

THE QUESTION MARKS

"Veronica Mars" keeps going on and off the bubble, at least according to the Internet. In truth, it's hard to understand why the net would give such a clear underperformer another shot. If "Mars" rises from the dead, it's a sign CW is playing it safe.

Frosh laffer "The Game" is technically a question mark, though Ostroff has been clear that she considers the show a success. As for "Girlfriends," it should be back if the net can make financial sense of it.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Media coverage of the CW hasn't been kind, with national mags like Newsweek taking shots at the net's failure to wow.

Fact is, given the tough terrain for the Big Four veteran nets -- all of whom saw some of their biggest hits suffer notable ratings losses this season -- it's actually kind of impressive that CW didn't collapse upon premiere.

Ostroff also didn't really have much time to develop new shows last year. Emerging with two modest success stories -- "The Game" and reality show "Pussycat Dolls Present" -- should count for something.

Exec knows there won't be any excuses this time next year if the CW hasn't found at least one hit to call its own.

"This is the season for us to establish our identity a little further, to extend the brand," Ostroff admits. "We need to find a show that's going to get our young audience excited."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964781.html


The only new show I have any interest in is Reaper. Given Kevin Smith's involvement, the one sheet description, and the comedy-horror approach, I'm already dying to see it. I hope it gets picked up.

Everything else as described sounds like the freshest horse poop this side of Iowa. :whatever:

Anyhoo, as a reminder, the CW upfronts are this Thursday, so it should be an interesting week.

[Serene]

I'm glad to see that SV seems pretty much a sure bet though.

I agree, the Kevin Smith show sounds most interesting to me, but I bet that CW Now entertainment type show will fair well too. People LOVE celebrity gossip, and a show that focuses solely on the younger set sounds pretty promising.

[Lighthouse]

Maybe they'll dust off Aquaman and give it a try again. Sure, Hartley played GA, but they seem pretty desperate.

[AgentPat]

The latest guesses for CW's fall line-up are starting to show up. Nothing is definite until the upfronts, but some of these combinations look good, and I'm ecstatic about the SV/Reaper prediction.

Sunday
CW Now
Viewsers
Supernatural
Veronica Mars: FBI

Monday
Everybody Hates Chris
New Comedy
Girlfriends
New Comedy

Tuesday
Wild at Heart
One Tree Hill

Wednesday
America's Next Top Model
Gossip Girl

Thursday
Smallville
Reaper

Friday
WWE Smackdown!

http://www.nku.edu/~manningj1/CW2007.htm

Sunday
5:00PM Various Repeats
6:00PM Various Repeats
7:00PM America's Next Top Model Encore
8:00PM Supernatural
9:00PM Spellbound (NEW)

Monday
8:00PM Everybody Hates Chris
8:30PM Aliens in America (NEW)
9:00PM Girlfriends
9:30PM The Game

Tuesday
8:00PM Wild at Heart (NEW)
9:00PM One Tree Hill / Pussycat Dolls

Wednesday
8:00PM America's Next Top Model
9:00PM Gossip Girl (NEW)

Thursday
8:00PM Smallville
9:00PM Reaper (NEW)

Friday
8:00PM WWE Smackdown!

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2007/05/sitcomsonlinecom-2007-08-upfront_11.html

[Lighthouse]

I don't know about Reaper. The plot sounds almost exactly the same as Fox's Brimstone, which ironically had Smallville's John Glover playing the devil, and playing him very effectively I might add. I don't think Ray Wise can do as well as he did. Anyway Supernatural is already such a great companion to Smallville, and one of my favorite shows. If this move to Sunday kills it, I'll pray to the dark lord that CW falls on its ass.

[AssMan]

Supernatural on Sunday ? Those **** faces dont fix something that is not broken you stupid CW ****s. Put Reaper on Sunday you stupid dick for brains **** heads. A blond is the head of CW right ? If so that explains a whole lot

[The Incredible Hulk]

SN is barely getting 3 million viewers. I dont know if I'd say that it's "not broken."

And hey, my Mom has blonde hair... :mad:

[AssMan]

And hey, my Mom has blonde hair... :mad:

I should have included I didnt mean all blondes :cwink:

[Lighthouse]

SN deserves a hell of a lot more. I personally think its the best show on the CW, followed by Smallville. I'm glad we're at least getting one more season.

[Cmill216]

Moving SPN away from SV and Thursdays makes me sad. :(

[The Incredible Hulk]

an interesting article on whats going on at the upfronts with the Networks and the advertisers:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117919539177302866.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[avidreader]

an interesting article on whats going on at the upfronts with the Networks and the advertisers:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117919539177302866.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I couldnt read the full article without subscribing. :csad: But I think, I got the jist of it.

Times are a changing....

[O'Haire]

SN deserves a hell of a lot more. I personally think its the best show on the CW


Same here. I hope the new time slot doesn't get it canceled.:csad:

[RakuMon]

Good news folks. Looks like Supernatural is staying on Thursdays. According to Variety:

CW relying on reality hits
'Geek,' 'Top Model' the star attractions
By JOSEF ADALIAN

The CW will double up on reality this fall in a bid to launch two scripted dramas.

Meanwhile, as Fox prepared to unveil its new lineup Thursday, there was word that longtime "Law & Order" exec producer Walon Green has signed on to serve as exec producer/showrunner on the net's new drama "Canterbury's Law."

Mike Figgis directed the Juliananna Margulies starrer, which comes from exec producers Denis Leary, Jim Serpico and Dave Erickson. Sony Pictures Television is producing.

Over at the CW, draft of the Green net's sked making the rounds Wednesday has both "Beauty and the Geek" and "America's Next Top Model" on the air this fall. Skeins will likely air Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 8, respectively.

This past season, "Geek" aired while "Model" was on break. But the spring success of "Pussycat Dolls Presents" apparently convinced CW execs that more reality can be a good thing.

According to the draft sked floating around town, "Geek" will lead into the new supernatural comedy thriller "Reaper." Red-hot "Top Model" will give a lift to Josh Schwartz's "Gossip Girl," which is inheriting the 9 p.m. Wednesday timeslot where Schwartz's Fox drama "The O.C." became a pop sensation.

Look for Thursdays to stay the same, with "Smallville" and "Supernatural" continuing. Wrestling remains on Friday.

On Sundays, most believe the C-Dub will air some combination of the unscripted skeins "CW Now" and "Online Nation" in the 7 p.m. hour, with South Africa-set family drama "Life is Wild" airing at 8 p.m.

Comedies will continue to make up the CW's Monday lineup. "Everybody Hates Chris," back for its third season, remains at 8 p.m., followed by newcomer "Aliens in America." "Girlfriends" and "The Game" air from 9-10 p.m.

Net has done well with "America's Next Top Model" repeats Sundays at 9 p.m., so there's no reason to expect it will alter that game plan.

On the bench will be "One Tree Hill," which is expected to return later in the season, perhaps for a nearly uninterrupted flow of 22 episodes.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117965053.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

[The Incredible Hulk]

last night's fast nationals. SV rebounds somewhat but SN takes it on the chin..again.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/51310925

CW
Smallville (season finale)
- 4.014 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.8/6 A18-49
- 2.1/7 A18-34

Supernatural (season finale)
- 2.741 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

half hour breakdowns:
Smallville
8pm
- 3.686 million viewers
- 2.2/4 HH
- 1.6/5 A18-49
- 2.0/7 A18-34

8:30pm
- 4.342 million viewers
- 2.5/4 HH
- 1.9/6 A18-49
- 2.2/7 A18-34

Supernatural
9pm
- 2.776 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

9:30pm
- 2.705 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/4 A18-34

SN literally lost 1.6 million viewers (or about 37% of SV's audience)

[avidreader]

^^^^ I think they're watching The Office. :dry:

[The Incredible Hulk]

umm did you even read my post above yours? :confused: LOL

[Zombie_samurai]

supernaturals boring

[Cmill216]

supernaturals boring

Your face is boring. :ninja:

[triplet]

I love Supernatural, I'm glad it's getting renewed despite its relatively low ratings.

:up:

[Cmill216]

I can safely say, even from an unbiased perspective (though that's kind of hard ;)) that Supernatural is the most underrated show on television. Jensen and Jared's chemistry is superb, the show balances humor and classic horror better than any of the garbage the film industry has put out recently, and (this is the kicker) IT'S CONSISTENT. Yeah, I'm looking at you SV. :cmad: :oldrazz:

[Zombie_samurai]

Your face is boring. :ninja:
Your moms boring

[Jack O Lantern]

Can we get off of mothers, I just got off yours

[Pickle-El]

Can we get off of mothers, I just got off yours

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Wargod]

I just read that Smallville is the 4th most watched tv show in Cable television here in Brazil, with 113.309 viewers. Keep in mind that just 14% of Brazilians are subscribers of Cable television.

[AgentPat]

And herein is yet another reason why SV is important to CW: ad rates! Because if your show is one of the top FIVE shows on television where viewers actually WATCH the commercials - even if its just the group who DVR's those shows - sponsors are going to sit up and take notice.


Broadcasting & Cable
5/31/2007

Nielsen Crunches Commercial Numbers
By Marisa Guthrie

More people viewed the commercials during three days of DVR playback of The Office – compared to the show's live broadcast – than any other primetime broadcast program, according to Nielsen Media Research. The findings (based on data collected the week of April 30, 2007) are part of new commercial-minute ratings data that Nielsen began supplying networks this morning.

The data will include six streams for national commercial minutes: live, live-plus-same-day and live-plus-one, two, three and seven-days.

During three days of playback, The Office had the highest percentage of people watching its commercials at 108 percent. Fox's Family Guy, and Bones, The CW’s Smallville and ABC's Grey’s Anatomy round out the top five in viewing of commercials over three days of DVR playback.

What Nielsen didn't supply was hard data on how many viewers are skipping the commercials during playback.

"I think that some people would say that there is complete commercial avoidance," says Pat McDonough, SVP Policy, Planning & Analysis for Nielsen.

"(The data) is clearly saying there is value to some of the playback. And there is clearly evidence of commercial avoidance and we can measure it and clients are looking at it and placing a value on it. What this allows us to do is fine tune those value judgment that everybody was making all along."

With about 17 percent of households with DVR capability, Nielsen estimates that 10 percent of broadcast primetime viewing is now done via playback. Among households with DVRs, delayed viewing is 42 percent.

DVR viewing is one of the main sticking points in the upfront negotiations with networks asking advertisers to pony up for at least some viewing on DVRs as the number of households with DVR capability continues to grow. Advertisers have balked at paying for delayed viewing. But this year, many in the industry expect a consensus to be reached at live-plus-three.

However, movie studios, which make Thursday night the biggest money maker for networks, as they unspool promos for the weekend's opening fare, will continue to hold out for live-only. At a time when it has never been more important to draw audiences to movies for their opening weekend, movie ads are much less valuable to the studios when viewed on DVRs after that weekend has passed.

The new commercial minute ratings aren't expected to have a major impact on the current upfront negotiations. But the new data gives both sides more information – and consequently more (or less) leverage – in an increasingly shifting and fragmented market.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6447970.html


So it's a win-win for SV. The show may garner higher ad rates among basic goods and services sponsors because of the DVR viewing data and STILL be attractive to film studios due to its Thursday broadcast window. This is the kind of stuff the bean counters look at.

[triplet]

Interesting article from the Denver Post TV Critic and upcoming changes to the ratings system and including the ratings for recorded viewings...

Smallville actually gets a mention and it's probably not surprising. Smallville is one of the top recorded shows, even if it doesn't do as well when it's aired.

According to this article, some people are more likely to watch commercials when the show's recorded than when they watch a show as it airs.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6198213?source=rss

Come 2008, Nielsens will catch up to future
By Joanne Ostrow Denver Post TV Critic
Article Last Updated: 06/22/2007 10:18:05 AM MDT


For 50 years, television ratings tracked the number of people watching television shows. Sounds logical, but for advertisers hoping to reach those eyeballs, it was a hit-and-miss process. Some of us got really good at bolting from the room during commercial clusters.

In the digital world, it became even easier to avoid commercials. Simply fast-forward the digital video recorder without leaving the couch. Now, the ratings system is playing catch-up to technology.

Advertisers who put flashy come-ons on the Web can track exactly how many people click through their message. They want the same specificity from television about who's watching what.

Because television is now delivered on DVRs and cellphones, in sports bars, college dorms and on airplanes, it only makes sense that old-style ratings missed a growing chunk of the audience.

Recently advertisers started demanding that A.C. Nielsen more accurately measure the number of people who actually watch their commercials.

The networks resisted, worried that if advertisers saw a drop in numbers during commercial breaks, they would take their business elsewhere (hello, Internet). The networks feared losing dollars they collect on sales of their airtime for those 15-, 30- and 60-second spots.

Silly them.

The networks gave in - and now are cashing in. Turns out more people see commercials via DVR playback in the day or three after the original airing than catch them live. Hard to believe, but that's what Nielsen's claiming.

The surprise, for an avid commercial zapper, is that people are actually watching more commercials when they play back their favorite shows on DVRs - and roughly 18 percent of U.S. homes now have one.

NBC's "The Office" scored highest in terms of commercial ratings versus live program ratings when three days of DVR playback were included.

Nielsen figures it this way: "Altogether, viewing to the commercial minutes, on average, in 'The Office' after three days of DVR playback was 108 percent of the total viewing level for the live program itself."

Other series with higher ratings for the commercials after three days than in the first broadcast were "Family Guy," "Bones," "Smallville," "Grey's Anatomy," "24," "My Name Is Earl" and "Jericho" - a cross-section of young- and old-skewing shows.

Nielsen is shifting to "anytime, anywhere" ratings, measuring viewership of TV streamed on the Internet or watched on portable media devices.

Nielsen's "out of home" measurements, now in a testing phase but effective in 2008, will count folks watching on health-club treadmills, in airports, hotels and on subways. The company is testing two personal measuring devices called "Go Meters," one like a cellphone, the other more like an MP3 player.

"In the current upfront (the ritual in advance of the TV season when the bulk of commercial spending is completed), many (ad) agencies analyzed how people watch, in live and delayed modes," said Lyle Schwartz, a managing partner of Group M, one of New York's biggest advertising-buying companies. "We found that in delayed mode, about 60 percent of commercials are skipped. The networks want value for that 40 percent."

Extra hundreds of millions of dollars will flow to the networks as a result.

In the latest number crunching, for instance, the live ratings for "The Office" and "Lost" indicated zero growth. "When we took a look at how people watch, 20 percent of the audience is watching in delayed mode," Schwartz said. Added in, that's a big jump.

Why only count three days? Many big clients have time- specific messages, like movie studios advertising the weekend openings.

Schwartz terms this summer's findings "a victory for all parties to better assess what we're buying and give the client better information on what's being seen. It's good for TV. It's good for clients."

The question is how it will affect viewers. The industry knows that fat commercial clusters, sometimes as long as eight minutes, annoy viewers. Will advertisers switch to shorter, more frequent interruptions?

[AgentPat]

Interesting article from the Denver Post TV Critic and upcoming changes to the ratings system and including the ratings for recorded viewings...LOL! I think it must have been a slow news day for the Denver Post as that article reiterated everything Broadcasting & Cable printed back in May (see prior post).

I found this line interesting though:

Nielsen's "out of home" measurements, now in a testing phase but effective in 2008, will count folks watching on health-club treadmills, in airports, hotels and on subways. The company is testing two personal measuring devices called "Go Meters," one like a cellphone, the other more like an MP3 player.Makes sense.

[triplet]

Makes sense.

Yeah, they should start getting the kids in college dorms now... That should help Smallville's ratings.

Currently they aren't counted at all, even if their parents are Nielson families.

:up:

It's all good for Smallville.

[AgentPat]

Not ratings-related per se, but it's about the CW line-up going into the Fall. Worthy praise for SV and SN...


The CW Fall 2007 Premieres
Posted By: Jerrica / Source

The CW has announced its Fall 2007-08 premiere schedule. As MO has previously mentioned, Thursday night will stay strong with "Smallville” starring Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum premiering at 8 p.m. on Sept. 27 and "Supernatural” starring Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki at 9 p.m. on Oct. 4. And that really is all the network has with a solid foundation and a good bet for success and quality.

The rest of the season looks a little grim, except, ironically, for "Reaper,” a new series for Tuesday nights that will debut at 9 p.m. on Sept. 25 according to the list posted by ComingSoon. If you go by the premise and the first few minutes of the extended trailer alone, the story about an unlikely hero whose parents sold his soul to the devil and now he has to be a bounty hunter for the devil might sound a little out there, even ridiculous. Until you know that it comes from director Kevin Smith. Then, everything makes sense, and if you didn’t see the potential before, you might now.

As for what else The CW has on the lineup beyond the best, there’s a lot that comprises the rest: "Everybody Hates Chris” comes back on Mondays starting Oct. 1 at 8 p.m., new series "Aliens in America” follows at 8:30 p.m., then Wednesday has a new series called "Gossip Girl” at 9 p.m. premiering on Sept. 6, which of course follows "America’s Next Top Model” to make Wednesday night seem especially vain and empty, and finally, Sunday has three new series with "CW Now” at 7 p.m. followed by "Online Nation” both premiering on Sept. 23 and "Life Is Wild” at 8 p.m. starting Oct. 7. Like Fox, it seems that the best shows are on the same nights, real show of the drama and even teen angsty kind are being dropped, and everything else with the rare exception is reality waiting to dumb TV down even more.

Thankfully, the CW has one of the absolute best, thoroughly enjoyable and most highly underrated shows on television today "Supernatural,” and of course, the chronicles of Superman in the making with "Smallville” as smart and worthy heavy-hitters.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_12675.html


Great stuff! :up:

On a side-note, I'm looking forward to Reaper. :D

[Cmill216]

Thankfully, the CW has one of the absolute best, thoroughly enjoyable and most highly underrated shows on television today "Supernatural,”

This guy knows his stuff. ;)

[AgentPat]

Interesting article in Variety about the Thursday Fall lineup:

8/17/07
Broadcasters pig-pile on Thursday
NBC sliding 'Office' into crowded timeslot
By RICK KISSELL

It's hard to imagine, but the strongest hour of broadcast television is about to get another upgrade this fall.

One year after ABC shifted television's No. 1 drama, "Grey's Anatomy," to Thursday's middle hour to take on CBS vet "CSI," NBC is looking to make a big statement of its own by sliding "The Office" into the crowded timeslot.

The Peacock's move, while not as bold as ABC's of a year ago, underscores the importance of the night, which attracts more advertising coin than any other.

But is it simply too much popular programming in one hour? And who will get hurt if viewers have to choose one fave over another.

"The Office" aside, the broadcasters are taking a fairly conservative approach this fall to Thursday, with just one new show -- ABC 10 o'clock drama "Big Shots" -- set to bow.

Elsewhere, CBS is looking to bolster its perf by moving "Without a Trace" back to the night after it spent a year on Sundays, and Fox had added summer series "Don't Forget the Lyrics" to the night, pairing it with last season's unscripted success, "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?"

ABC narrowly topped CBS on the night in adults 18-49 last season (5.3 to 5.1), with the Alphabet having a more decisive advantage in weeks when it aired original episodes, according to Nielsen.

The Alphabet shot up by 83% while CBS declined by 23%. Still, the Eye carried the night among adults 25-54 as well as total viewers.

Here's a look at the night:

8-9 p.m.

The durable "Survivor" won this hour a year ago, and there's no reason to think it can't do so again in its 15th season (set in China), even though it will face tough reality competish from Fox's "5th Grader."

ABC's "Ugly Betty" experienced some ratings turbulence in the second half of its rookie season, but still posted an impressive average for a first-year scripted hour leading off a night.

"Betty" should be able to parlay its water-cooler buzz and awards bounty into a strong second season, winning in women 18-49; it also could help that NBC has replaced "The Office" at 8:30 with the less formidable "30 Rock."

As for "30 Rock," the 8:30 hammock slot between "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office" provides a good growth opportunity, although this narrow comedy could have a tough time opposite more mainstream competish. Show has smartly recruited Jerry Seinfeld for its season preem, ensuring more sampling.

CW's "Smallville," with some notable guest-casting lined up, should not be ignored, especially in the hunt for young men not watching "Earl" or "Survivor." And Fox's "5th Grader" should scoop up some parent/child family viewing.

9-10 p.m.

"The Office" is poised for a strong season, but at whose expense?

The older-skewing "CSI" would seem to be less affected, but it's also the more male of the dramas, so it could lose some of its men 25-45. And the aud will be there for "Grey's" at the outset, but fickle fans could flee if the show isn't delivering on the level it was a year ago -- and "The Office" will be waiting to scoop up any disgruntled young viewers.

NBC is kicking off "The Office" with four hourlong segs, which may be too much of a good thing but will at least position the net as a force to be reckoned with opposite the dramas. It should run second to "Grey's" among adults 18-34 while closing in on the still-potent "CSI" in 18-49.

Fox's "Lyrics" and CW's "Supernatural" are solid shows, but they'll be battling for crumbs in this brutal hour.

10-11 p.m.

There's nothing all that riveting here, which could be a good thing for fans of multiple shows in the 9 o'clock hour, who could use this time period as "Playback Theater."

"Without a Trace" probably lost a step since it last aired here, but it's the show to beat since it meshes so well with its lead-in. If "Trace" can hold about 90% of the "CSI" aud, it should hold off "Big Shots" and trounce NBC's fading "ER."

Wild card is "Big Shots," which could turn out to be this year's "Brothers & Sisters": The pilot doesn't quite come together, but there's enough to like in the cast and soapy storylines to keep watching.

And although "Big Shots" will skew heavily female like the rest of the net's Thursday lineup, it was probably a good idea for ABC to at least offer up something with a male point of view to close out the night.

Bottom line

It's ABC and CBS in a close battle for the 18-49 lead, with "Big Shots" the swing show.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117970460

[thebigtree95]

Interesting article about the Nielsen system.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20070913

[RakuMon]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/76510537

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 9/27/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 18.58 million, ABC: 14.36, NBC: 9.37, Fox: 6.37, CW: 3.80

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 5.8 rating/15 share, ABC: 5.7/15, NBC: 4.3/11, Fox: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.4/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), The Office (NBC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Down But Far From Out:
Ugly Betty (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Smallville (CW), Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox), Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Big Shots (ABC), ER (NBC)

---------------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 8.54 percent during premiere week in 2006 to 19.43 million percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

---------------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS opened this first Thursday of the 2007-08 season at a first-place finish in both total viewers and adults 18-49, with 4.22 million more viewers and a one-tenth of a rating point advantage in the demo over No. 2 ABC. Third overall was NBC, followed by Fox, and the CW. The biggest news, and this is not positive, was significant unexpected slippage for Grey’s Anatomy on ABC. Keep reading…

Week two of CBS’ Survivor: China opened the evening with a first-place 14.16 million viewers and a 4.6 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Second was the sophomore season-premiere of ABC’s Ugly Betty at 11.05 million viewers and a 3.8/11 in the demo. While this is certainly still a vast improvement over all programming on ABC in this time period before last season, Ugly Betty debuted on Sept. 28, 2006 with a much heftier 16.32 million viewers and a 5.0/14 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that’s a loss of a significant 5.27 million viewers and 24 percent in the demo.

Over at NBC, the one-hour season-premiere of competing My Name is Earl was on par with year-ago levels, at 8.52 million viewers (#3) and a 3.7/11 among adults 18-49 (#3). Also in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #4, 7.35 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6), and the season-premiere of the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 5.08 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5). The positive news for Smallville was a performance close to year-ago opening levels.

At 9 p.m., the battle of the two big season premieres -- CSI vs. Grey’s Anatomy -- resulted as follows:

CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 24.85 million (#1), A18-49: 8.0/19 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 20.48 million (#2), A18-49: 8.7/21 (#1)

While leadership was mixed, CSI built from it’s year-ago opener (Viewers: 22.57 million; A18-49: 7.7/18, on Sept. 21, 2006) by 2.28 million viewers and four percent among adults 18-49. Grey’s Anatomy, however, was down by 4.93 million viewers (25.41 to 20.48) and 21 percent in the demo (11.0/26 to 8.7/21). Are viewers tiring of the soggy dramatics between Meredith and Dr. “McDreamy”?

A one-hour edition of NBC’s The Office finished third in the 9 p.m. hour, with 9.67 million viewers and a series-high 5.1/12 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that built by a hefty 31 percent in adults 18-49 from the second half of lead-in My Name is Earl (3.9/11), with growth 19 percent in the demo from its year-ago season opener (4.3/11 on Sept. 21, 2006).

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics (#4, 5.39 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 4), which is a big improvement over year-ago occupant Celebrity Duets, and a repeat of the CW’s Reaper (Viewers: #5, 2.53 million; A18-49: #5, 1.0/ 2).

As expected, the sixth season-premiere of CBS’ Without a Trace led the 10 p.m. hour, with 16.73 million viewers and a 4.8/13 among adults 18-49. Comparably, former occupant Shark debuted in the time period with 14.47 million viewers and a 4.1/11 in the demo on Thursday, Sept. 21, 2006. Last season, Without a Trace kicked-off with a similar 17.56 million viewers and a 4.8/12 in the demo on Sunday, Sept. 24, 2006 at 10 p.m.

In series-premiere news, ABC’s Big Shots opened second in the hour, with 11.56 million viewers and a 4.7/13 in the demo. Under different circumstances this might have been considered positive. But retention for Big Shots out of Grey’s Anatomy of just 56 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49, and the following losses at 10:30 p.m. lands it in the loser’s listing:

Big Shots
10:00 p.m. Viewers: 12.98 million, A18-49: 5.4/14
10:30 p.m. Viewers: 9.97 million, A18-49: 4.0/11

Percent Change
Viewers: -23, A18-49: -26

Former failed occupant Six Degrees debuted with 12.56 million viewers and a 5.4/14 among adults 18-49 in this time period on the year-ago opening Thursday.

Last, but not least, was the 14th season premiere of NBC’s ER at a last-place 9.93 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. Compared to it’s year-ago opener (Viewers: 15.59 million; A18-49: 6.8/18 on Sept. 21, 2006), that was a loss of 5.56 million viewers and a 40 percent in the demo. So long, ER!

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.77 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.38 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 6

Reaper R
9:00 p.m. V: 2.66 million, A18-49: 1.0/ 2
9:30 p.m. V: 2.40 million, A18-49: 0.9/ 2

[Cmill216]

Wow. What a spike from the first half hour. :eek:

[avidreader]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/76510537

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 9/27/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 18.58 million, ABC: 14.36, NBC: 9.37, Fox: 6.37, CW: 3.80

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 5.8 rating/15 share, ABC: 5.7/15, NBC: 4.3/11, Fox: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.4/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), The Office (NBC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Down But Far From Out:
Ugly Betty (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Smallville (CW), Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox), Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Big Shots (ABC), ER (NBC)

---------------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 8.54 percent during premiere week in 2006 to 19.43 million percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

---------------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS opened this first Thursday of the 2007-08 season at a first-place finish in both total viewers and adults 18-49, with 4.22 million more viewers and a one-tenth of a rating point advantage in the demo over No. 2 ABC. Third overall was NBC, followed by Fox, and the CW. The biggest news, and this is not positive, was significant unexpected slippage for Grey’s Anatomy on ABC. Keep reading…

Week two of CBS’ Survivor: China opened the evening with a first-place 14.16 million viewers and a 4.6 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Second was the sophomore season-premiere of ABC’s Ugly Betty at 11.05 million viewers and a 3.8/11 in the demo. While this is certainly still a vast improvement over all programming on ABC in this time period before last season, Ugly Betty debuted on Sept. 28, 2006 with a much heftier 16.32 million viewers and a 5.0/14 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that’s a loss of a significant 5.27 million viewers and 24 percent in the demo.

Over at NBC, the one-hour season-premiere of competing My Name is Earl was on par with year-ago levels, at 8.52 million viewers (#3) and a 3.7/11 among adults 18-49 (#3). Also in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #4, 7.35 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6), and the season-premiere of the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 5.08 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5). The positive news for Smallville was a performance close to year-ago opening levels.

At 9 p.m., the battle of the two big season premieres -- CSI vs. Grey’s Anatomy -- resulted as follows:

CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 24.85 million (#1), A18-49: 8.0/19 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 20.48 million (#2), A18-49: 8.7/21 (#1)

While leadership was mixed, CSI built from it’s year-ago opener (Viewers: 22.57 million; A18-49: 7.7/18, on Sept. 21, 2006) by 2.28 million viewers and four percent among adults 18-49. Grey’s Anatomy, however, was down by 4.93 million viewers (25.41 to 20.48) and 21 percent in the demo (11.0/26 to 8.7/21). Are viewers tiring of the soggy dramatics between Meredith and Dr. “McDreamy”?

A one-hour edition of NBC’s The Office finished third in the 9 p.m. hour, with 9.67 million viewers and a series-high 5.1/12 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that built by a hefty 31 percent in adults 18-49 from the second half of lead-in My Name is Earl (3.9/11), with growth 19 percent in the demo from its year-ago season opener (4.3/11 on Sept. 21, 2006).

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics (#4, 5.39 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 4), which is a big improvement over year-ago occupant Celebrity Duets, and a repeat of the CW’s Reaper (Viewers: #5, 2.53 million; A18-49: #5, 1.0/ 2).

As expected, the sixth season-premiere of CBS’ Without a Trace led the 10 p.m. hour, with 16.73 million viewers and a 4.8/13 among adults 18-49. Comparably, former occupant Shark debuted in the time period with 14.47 million viewers and a 4.1/11 in the demo on Thursday, Sept. 21, 2006. Last season, Without a Trace kicked-off with a similar 17.56 million viewers and a 4.8/12 in the demo on Sunday, Sept. 24, 2006 at 10 p.m.

In series-premiere news, ABC’s Big Shots opened second in the hour, with 11.56 million viewers and a 4.7/13 in the demo. Under different circumstances this might have been considered positive. But retention for Big Shots out of Grey’s Anatomy of just 56 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49, and the following losses at 10:30 p.m. lands it in the loser’s listing:

Big Shots
10:00 p.m. Viewers: 12.98 million, A18-49: 5.4/14
10:30 p.m. Viewers: 9.97 million, A18-49: 4.0/11

Percent Change
Viewers: -23, A18-49: -26

Former failed occupant Six Degrees debuted with 12.56 million viewers and a 5.4/14 among adults 18-49 in this time period on the year-ago opening Thursday.

Last, but not least, was the 14th season premiere of NBC’s ER at a last-place 9.93 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. Compared to it’s year-ago opener (Viewers: 15.59 million; A18-49: 6.8/18 on Sept. 21, 2006), that was a loss of 5.56 million viewers and a 40 percent in the demo. So long, ER!

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.77 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.38 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 6

Reaper R
9:00 p.m. V: 2.66 million, A18-49: 1.0/ 2
9:30 p.m. V: 2.40 million, A18-49: 0.9/ 2

That's great numbers for a show in its 7th Season, on the CW network. A network that seems to reach so few homes.

[AgentPat]

As posted in Variety, the finals for Bizarro were 1.9/6, 5.18 million viewers
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973071


That's pretty good; it's higher than last season's Zod premiere. :D :up:

[Serene]

As posted in Variety, the finals for Bizarro were 1.9/6, 5.18 million viewers
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973071


That's pretty good; it's higher than last season's Zod premiere. :D :up:

I wonder how much of that can be attributed to the chick pimping? I was just at the store looking at the magazine rack, and I noticed that front and center, side-by-side were the Maxim (featuring Erica) and Stuff (featuring Laura). It was kind of cool - at least to this SV fangirl. :)

Of course they both look GORGEOUS and sexy, and we all know what SV's highest demo group is - males 18 - 34.

[AgentPat]

I wonder how much of that can be attributed to the chick pimping? I was just at the store looking at the magazine rack, and I noticed that front and center, side-by-side were the Maxim (featuring Erica) and Stuff (featuring Laura)...Quite possible. I saw the same thing multiple times in various magazine racks as I went through the airport last week. Kinda funny actually - SV saturation on magazine covers and not one of 'em with Clark. Gah! LOL

Oooo... I've got two stories to tell related to that. I'll post 'em in the TW thread. :D

[AgentPat]

The week's wrap-up from Variety:


10/2/07

ABC, NBC open well
Nets see rating declines in premiere week
By RICK KISSELL

Excerpt:

...The CW was dragged down by its disastrous Sunday lineup, led off by "CW Now" and "Online Nation," which drew a 1 share in 18-49 and fewer than 800,000 viewers. Net’s top performers were "America’s Next Top Model" (2.4/7 in 18-49, 4.90m) and "Smallville" (1.9/6, 5.18m), with new drama "Reaper" doing OK in its bow Tuesday (1.5/4 in 18-49, 3.28m).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973203


As it turns out, SV had the highest viewership (5.18M) of ALL CW programming last week. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wow2.gif

[Cmill216]

So now I can say, "Smallville, the network's #1 series....period". :D

Congratulations to Reaper. Such an awesome show. And, of course, the Winchester Boys back this Thursday after Sir Welling and Co.

[triplet]

The week's wrap-up from Variety:

10/2/07
ABC, NBC open well

Nets see rating declines in premiere week

By RICK KISSELL
Excerpt:
...The CW was dragged down by its disastrous Sunday lineup, led off by "CW Now" and "Online Nation," which drew a 1 share in 18-49 and fewer than 800,000 viewers. Net’s top performers were "America’s Next Top Model" (2.4/7 in 18-49, 4.90m) and "Smallville" (1.9/6, 5.18m), with new drama "Reaper" doing OK in its bow Tuesday (1.5/4 in 18-49, 3.28m).


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973203

As it turns out, SV had the highest viewership (5.18M) of ALL CW programming last week. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wow2.gif

Well, I hope it continues to do well, but what were Ostroff and those people thinking doing two fluffy, teen oriented magazine skeins back-to-back on a sunday?

I thought sundays was the night were most families watched TV together, or the kids go do something else while the older viewers stare blankly at the 60 minutes yawn fest...

[AgentPat]

So now I can say, "Smallville, the network's #1 series....period". :DIndeed! Not just scripted programming, but ALL programming. That's simply amazing. And considering this week's episode is Supergirl's intro, we're probably looking at another #1 week. Gotta luv it! :D :up:

Congratulations to Reaper. Such an awesome show.I've seen both episodes and I love the show. If they can keep up the humor, I'll stick with it. It's great.

I also watched Caveman tonight. Eh. It's a little heavy handed and the laughs are sparse, so I'm done with that show. Hee! One episode. That didn't take long, eh? Yeah, I'm brutal. If you don't hook me right away, I'm gone, and even after I'm hooked, you gotta WORK to keep me there.

And, of course, the Winchester Boys back this Thursday after Sir Welling and Co.I'll probably watch the premiere. I saw the finale last season and I enjoyed it, though I don't catch every ep - maybe four or five per season. The "problem" with SN for me is, I'm here on the boards jawing with everybody about SV when new eps air, so I don't really *watch* SN; it just drones on in the background most of the time. LOL :O

[Cmill216]

but what were Ostroff and those people thinking...

They weren't.

[AgentPat]

^ Exactly.

Y'know, they BETTER get their poop together on ratings, because the whole network could fold if most of their shows continue to do poorly. SV, ANTM and Reaper aren't enough to keep the network in business.

[Cmill216]

I'll probably watch the premiere. I saw the finale last season and I enjoyed it, though I don't catch every ep - maybe four or five per season. The "problem" with SN for me is, I'm here on the boards jawing with everybody about SV when new eps air, so I don't really *watch* SN; it just drones on in the background most of the time. LOL :O

Heh. I gotcha.

Tape it or pick up the DVDs if you get the chance. It's a terrific show that gets absolutely slammed in the ratings, but it's a testament to the network's faith in the series that they've brought it back for a third season considering they could put in a much cheaper show in that slot. Jensen and Jared have the best chemistry on television.

[RakuMon]

I'm also really digging Reaper. Of the season's new genre shows (namely Chuck & Journeyman) I like Reaper the best.

[mellyM]

I'll probably watch the premiere. I saw the finale last season and I enjoyed it, though I don't catch every ep - maybe four or five per season. The "problem" with SN for me is, I'm here on the boards jawing with everybody about SV when new eps air, so I don't really *watch* SN; it just drones on in the background most of the time. LOL :O

I'm going to try and watch the premier, I don't know why that show just doesn't hold my attention, I guess because its so derivative there's not much originality to it maybe? I do like Jensen though.

[Whiteflag]

I'll probably watch the premiere. I saw the finale last season and I enjoyed it, though I don't catch every ep - maybe four or five per season. The "problem" with SN for me is, I'm here on the boards jawing with everybody about SV when new eps air, so I don't really *watch* SN; it just drones on in the background most of the time. LOL :O

I watch it but I really don't care much for it. I don't mind missing episodes and I'd never buy the DVDs. I don't feel any desire to re-watch it or to comment about it.

[Kaboom]

^ Exactly.

Y'know, they BETTER get their poop together on ratings, because the whole network could fold if most of their shows continue to do poorly. SV, ANTM and Reaper aren't enough to keep the network in business.
ostroff? kill a network? when was the last time she did that?

oh wait.

[Kaboom]

...and you wonder why theyre pushing for a season 8.

its not for any creative endevaor, theyre probably just trying to break even.

[Cmill216]

I'm going to try and watch the premier, I don't know why that show just doesn't hold my attention, I guess because its so derivative there's not much originality to it maybe? I do like Jensen though.

I watch it but I really don't care much for it. I don't mind missing episodes and I'd never buy the DVDs. I don't feel any desire to re-watch it or to comment about it.

Jesus, I know it doesn't have Tom, but try not to be so harsh, ladies. :(

[mellyM]

Jesus, I know it doesn't have Tom, but try not to be so harsh, ladies. :(
I don't think I was harsh, was I?

[Whiteflag]

Jesus, I know it doesn't have Tom, but try not to be so harsh, ladies. :(

Not harsh, just honest. :yay:

But of course if it had Tom, I'd re-watch! :woot:

[Cmill216]

I don't think I was harsh, was I?

I was exaggerating a bit. I'm just defensive about the Winchesters. :ninja: :p

[triplet]

I love the winchester boys!

Not all the girls are only Smallville fans...

Jenson is gorgeous and he can act. I do like Jared, I like my men tall, but find Jenson far more appealing for some reason.

[AgentPat]

I love the winchester boys!

Not all the girls are only Smallville fans...

Jenson is gorgeous and he can act. I do like Jared, I like my men tall, but find Jenson far more appealing for some reason.Jenson's character is the ladies man, right? Yeah, I like him better; he's more fun. The other guy is too serious most of the time.

[Serene]

Jensen and Jared have the best chemistry on television.
Their chemistry MAKES that show. I'm really looking forward to this new season.

I'm also really digging Reaper. Of the season's new genre shows (namely Chuck & Journeyman) I like Reaper the best.

Reaper is probably my favorite of the new shows that I've watched. I liked Chuck too, just not as much. And I didn't care for Journeyman or Bionic Woman at all.

Bring on Friday Night Lights, I say! Now THAT is one helluva show that everyone should give a try - and no, you don't have to like football to enjoy it. It is very heavy on the characterization and drama, but it's always SO well done and it's perfectly cast.

[NHawk19]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/04/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.47 million, ABC: 12.19, NBC: 8.39, Fox: 7.15, CW: 3.76

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.9 rating/13 share, ABC: 4.8/13, NBC: 3.8/10, Fox: 2.1/ 5, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC)

-Worth Positively Noting:
Ugly Betty (ABC), My Name is Earl (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC)

-Time to Call it Quits:
ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Nothing…a positive sign for network television.

----------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from approximately 9 percent during week two in 2006 to about 20 percent at present, the overall results have been negatively impacted.

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS dominated this second Thursday of the 2007-08 season, finishing first in both total viewers and adults 18-49. But its advantage over second-place ABC was just one-tenth of a rating point (or two percent) in the demo. NBC was third, followed by Fox and the CW.

CBS’ veteran Survivor: China opened the evening first in the 8 p.m. hour, with 14.07 million viewers and a 4.4 rating/13 share among adults 18-49. Comparably, that was down by 1.76 million viewers and 21 percent in the demo from one year earlier, but it still wins the hour. And that still makes Survivor: China a winner. ABC’s Ugly Betty was second in the 8 p.m. hour in total viewers (9.78 million), and tied for No. 2 among adults 18-49 (3.4/10) with NBC’s My Name is Earl and 30 Rock. But before I get into the NBC comedies, keep in mind that the year-to-year losses for Ugly Betty are more noticeable at 4.48 million viewers (`4.26 to 9.78 million) and 24 percent in the demo (4.5/13 to 3.4/10).

Fans of NBC’s 30 Rock, take note: there is some positive news. The second season opener (featuring the over-rated Jerry Seinfeld) kicked-off with 7.38 million viewers (#4) and a record high 3.4/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#3) at 8:30 p.m. While 30 Rock is not, and will never be, a mass appeal hit, the retention out of lead-in My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 8.00 million; A18-49: #2, 3.4/10 at 8 p.m.) was 92 percent in viewers and 100 percent in the demo. This is good news, folks.

Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #3, 8.53 million; A18-49: #4, 2.3/ 7), which is a vast improvement over fall 2006 occupants ‘Til Death and Happy Hour, and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.56 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 5). With the CW’s recently introduced Reaper and Gossip Girl in search of an audience, it looks like there could be life for the veteran Smallville past this season.
ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy and CBS’ CSI shared dominance in the 9 p.m. as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 20.81 million (#1), A18-49: 6.3/16 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 18.13 million (#2), A18-49: 7.4/18 (#1)

Third at 9 p.m. was a one-hour edition of NBC’s The Office, at 8.49 million viewers and a 4.5/11 among adults 18-49. The Big three networks combined, in fact, totaled 47.43 million viewers and an 18.2/45 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. DVR usage may be up, but the network broadcasters are still a force to reckon with.

Also airing in the 9 p.m. hour was Fox game show Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Viewers: #4, 5.78 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 4), which remains a improvement from year-ago occupant The O.C., and the third-season premiere of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.97 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). One year-earlier, and opposite baseball on Fox, Supernatural averaged 3.34 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 in the demo. Retention for Supernatural out of Smallville was a typical 65 percent in total viewers and 67 percent in the demo. Give the competition in the 9-10 p.m., this is definitely livable for the CW.

At 10 p.m., CBS’ relocated Without a Trace led the troops, with 14.54 million viewers and a 3.8/11 among adults 18-49 -- one-tenth of a rating point ahead of both ABC’s Big Shots and NBC’s ER in the demo. Week two of Big Shots (Viewers: #3, 8.66 million; A18-49: #2t, 3.7/10) dipped by an expected 2.44 million viewers (11.10 million to 8.66) and 18 percent among adults 18-49 (4.5/12 to 3.7/10). Deteriorating ER averaged 9.00 million viewers (#2) and a 3.7/10 among adults 18-49 (#2t), which dropped from lead-in The Office by 18 percent in the demo. Say goodbye, ER.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Here it is

[AgentPat]

^ Interesting.

Here's the half hour breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.23 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.89 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.04 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.89 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3


Here's last year's premiere and second eps ratings:

Overnights from PiFeedback
Zod - 3.8/ 6; Viewers: 5.04 million; A18-49: #5, 2.2/ 6
Sneeze - 3.6/ 6; Viewers: 4.60 million; A18-49: #4, 2.0/ 6

Final totals after all numbers were in:
Zod - 4.96M
Sneeze - 4.52M

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I wonder whos watching more guys or girls. I would think after next weeks special scene with Kara in that red bikini I wouldnt be surprised if more girls are turned off by Kara & bolt :o

[AgentPat]

I wonder whos watching more guys or girls. I would think after next weeks special scene with Kara in that red bikini I wouldn't be surprised if more girls are turned off by Kara & bolt :oThat would be ironic since the whole idea of introducing Kara as far as CW was concerned was so they could appeal to more women. Same goes for the new female Bobbsey twin demon hunters on SN

SV's greatest viewership is in males 18-34. It is in fact, their target demo. The superhero genre is more male oriented than female oriented. Just is. But they'll take any new viewers they can get. "Marriage" episodes like last year's Promise did VERY well in the female demos. Big surprise there. But the more they lean on the mythology, the more they risk turning off general female audiences. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but we're not in the majority.

[AgentPat]

Here's the ratings finals for Kara, as posted today in Variety:


10/7/07

'Friday Night Lights' lights up NBC
Football drama ties 'Moonlight' in demo
By RICK KISSELL

Excerpt:

CW's "Smallville" (1.9/5 in 18-49, 4.95m) was on par with the previous week's season opener [1.9/6, 5.18m], while "Supernatural" didn't do much in its season preem (1.2/3 in 18-49, 2.97m).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973599


Nice numbers for SV, though it would have been even better if they cleared 5M, but that's okay. SN isn't looking so hot, however. Not even 3M for a season preem? Ouch.

Wednesday's fast nationals for ANTM was 4.52 million. Heh. I wonder if SV is going to come out on top for the week again? The numbers should all be in by tomorrow.

[Havok83]

That would be ironic since the whole idea of introducing Kara as far as CW was concerned was so they could appeal to more women. Same goes for the new female Bobbsey twin demon hunters on SN

SV's greatest viewership is in males 18-34. It is in fact, their target demo. The superhero genre is more male oriented than female oriented. Just is. But they'll take any new viewers they can get. "Marriage" episodes like last year's Promise did VERY well in the female demos. Big surprise there. But the more they lean on the mythology, the more they risk turning off general female audiences. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but we're not in the majority.
I was surprised to hear that bc I thought females made up most of hte viewership. Before, I thought this was just another WB soapish teen drama just with a superhero element. Good thing that isnt exactly the case

[AgentPat]

I was surprised to hear that bc I thought females made up most of hte viewership.Nope. It's mostly male. Yeah, blows my mind too. Here's another interesting factoid - Welling himself has said he gets more fan mail from male viewers than female. Now THAT's truly crazy, especially when you consider there's a good 90 *thousand* members over at "Dedicated to TW" - who are mostly female, of course. LOL ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Tom Welling: Women want him, men want to be him...or is that Superman? Meh same difference... :)

[heliorei]

Tom Welling: Women want him, men want to be him...or is that Superman? Meh same difference... :)

Quoted for the truth!!!

[AgentPat]

Interesting article. These new ratings will kick in for SV with next week's ep, Cure.

Trying to get ratings in a world of DVRs
by Rick Kushman
McClatchy Newspapers
10 October 2007

We’re into the third week of the new fall TV season, and here’s what is clear about the ratings: nothing.

What is clear is what’s causing all this unclearness. Yup, technology. Isn’t that always the way? The more technological advances we get, the more things slow down.

This time around, we’re specifically blaming digital video recorders - DVRs is what we wired people call them - those TiVo-like boxes that let you record soooo easily, not to mention pause and replay live TV. By the way, if you don’t have one, they are life-changing. Stop reading now and go get one. You’ll thank me. I’ll wait here.

OK, see? You can watch so much more TV now, can’t you? And congratulations, now you’re part of the problem.

Americans are adapting to DVRs faster than any TV technology ever. Last fall, when the season started, 8.5 percent of homes had DVRs. Now, we’re at 19.5 percent and skyrocketing, and the one thing everyone in the industry is sure about is that way more people than ever are recording shows and watching them later. Sometimes days and days later.

That means the ratings we normally get from Nielsen are, even more, just a partial picture, which matters a lot to advertisers, and it’s those advertisers who pay for most of what you and I watch.

Here’s what’s changed. Nielsen is still issuing its regular reports - an estimate comes overnight, and a more thorough number comes out a week later. But now, it’s also reporting a viewing total called live-plus-seven, which includes people who watched on DVRs within seven days of the original airing. (The live-plus-seven doesn’t count VCR viewing, because it needs digital technology to work.)

But that’s not all, because in the world of TV ratings, nothing is ever simple. There is also a new rating - C3 - which counts viewership of the actual commercials watched within three days of the first airing.

The live-plus-seven takes two weeks to come out, which makes some sense, since it’s covering a seven-day period added to the usual seven-day lag time. The C3 rating takes three weeks to come out because, actually, I don’t know. No one seems to know why, because, I don’t know that either.

But here are the things we do know: Viewership numbers are generally down this season for the networks, just as they have been in the past few years as people find more and more entertainment options.

And we know that the live-plus-seven can add 10 percent or more to the total ratings for some series - in particular, ones that tend to attract younger or techno-savvy viewers, and shows that are serialized.

Plus, we know that advertisers will care most about the C3 ratings, because they want to know who, if anyone, is actually watching their ads. One answer, according to research that CBS has shared with TV critics, seems to be that about 40 percent of people who record shows still watch the commercials. No one knows why this happens.

So this is where we are: Better, more final ratings on this season’s shows will be out this week. Ratings on commercials will be issued Oct. 15. In the meantime, we can extrapolate from the early, more-preliminary-than-ever current ratings.

The list of top-rated shows, so far, looks a lot like it did last season: “CSI,” “Grey’s Anatomy,” “Dancing With the Stars,” “House,” “Desperate Housewives” and “CSI: Miami” lead the pack. When you factor in shows that drew the younger viewers, “Heroes,” “The Office” and “Brothers & Sisters” join the winner’s circle.

As for new shows, there were no instant crazy hits, and everything is going to take some time to settle into a pattern, but NBC’s “Bionic Woman” and ABC’s “Private Practice” and “Pushing Daisies” look solid so far.

The vast middle ground of maybe-they’ll-work-out includes CBS’ “Cane” and “The Big Bang Theory,” NBC’s “Chuck” and “Life,” ABC’s “Dirty Sexy Money” and Fox’s “Back to You.”

The new shows that appear to be struggling include NBC’s “Journeyman,” Fox’s “K-Ville” and almost everything on CW.

CW’s apparent struggles remain something of a mystery. The network had a terrific development season, creating strong new shows like “Aliens in America,” “Life Is Wild” and, especially, “Reaper,” which has gotten nothing but love from critics across the country. Yet, CW’s ratings look to have dropped more than any other network.

(The good news for anyone who’s found “Reaper” is that it’s doing OK by CW’s modest standards and is likely to stick around a while.)

And in the very, very loser category is ABC’s “Cavemen.” The initial ratings weren’t horrendous because of the curiosity factor, but how many people are going to come back to watch the same train wreck twice?

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/49663/trying-to-get-ratings-in-a-world-of-dvrs/

[Cmill216]

Thanks for posting that, Pat. Good read.

Obviously, SV and Supernatural seem to fit the mold of a show that could see a boost thanks to the new DVR ratings system. And here's hoping The CW is satisfied with the ratings for Reaper. That show is gold.

[Lighthouse]

I'm getting the sad feeling that this will be Supernatural's final season. I'll be uber sad if it is. :(

Hope Reaper sticks around. Really enjoyed the pilot.

[KalKai]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/11/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 15.75 million, ABC: 12.75, NBC: 8.17, Fox: 6.88, CW: 3.99

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.0 rating/13 share, CBS: 4.7/12, NBC: 3.7/10, Fox: 2.1/ 5, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), The Office (NBC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Big Shots (ABC), ER (NBC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS remained in the winner’s circle on this third Thursday of the 2007-08 season, with CBS the most-watched network and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC, followed by Fox and the CW.

CBS’ still potent Survivor: China opened the evening first in both total viewers (14.00 million) and adults 18-49 (4.5 rating/13 share). ABC’s second-place Ugly Betty was also on the map, with 10.35 million viewers and a 3.5/10 among adults 18-49. But compared to one year earlier (Viewers: 13.95 million; A18-49: 4.3/12 on Thursday, Oct. 12, 2006) that was a loss of a hefty 3.60 million viewers and 19 percent in the demo. Comparably, Survivor: China was down by 1.84 million viewers and 18 percent among adults 18-49 from the Cook Islands edition one year earlier (Viewers: 15.84 million; A18-49: 5.5/15).

Also in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox sleeper Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #3, 8.16 million; A18-49: #4, 2.3/ 7), which remains a vast improvement over anything the network has aired here in years, NBC duo My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 7.74 million; A18-49: #3, 3.1/ 9) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 6.61 million; A18-49: #3, 3.0/ 8), and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.75 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5). While the NBC comedies are certainly not mass appeal hits, almost full adult 18-49 retention for 30 Rock out of My Name is Earl is a positive worth noting.

Leadership, as usual, was shared at 9 p.m. as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 19.63 million (#1), A18-49: 6.0/14 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 18.65 million (#2), A18-49: 7.7/18 (#1)

A one-hour edition of NBC’s competing The Office (Viewers: #3, 8.91 million; A18-49: #3, 4.7/11) got plenty of leverage among adults 18-49 despite facing the top two rated shows on television.

Also airing at 9 p.m. was Fox game show Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Viewers: #4, 5.60 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 4), and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.23 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3), which managed to stay somewhat alive in the toughest hour in prime-time.

CBS’ veteran Without a Trace was first in the 10 p.m. hour in total viewers, but second behind ABC’s Big Shots among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC’s needs-to-retire ER. Take a look:

Thursday 10 p.m.
Without a Trace (CBS)
Viewers: 13.63 million (#1), A18-49: 3.6/10 (#2)

Big Shots (ABC)
Viewers: 9.26 million (#2), A18-49: 3.9/11 (#1)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 8.41 million (#3), A18-49: 3.4/ 9 (#3)

Big Shots remains in the loser’s circle despite the first-place finish among adults 18-49 because of a) poor retention out of Grey’s Anatomy of 50 percent in total viewers and 51 percent among adults 18-49, and b) a loss of audience in the second half hour of 3.02 million viewers (10.77 to 7.75 million) and 30 percent among adults 18-49 (4.6/12 to 3.2/ 9). Since part of the 10 p.m. half-hour included the last few minutes of Grey’s Anatomy, it is obvious this drama is a miss.

NBC, meanwhile, should be announcing the retirement of ER any day now.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

-

Half-hour breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.50 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.32 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.14 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

[Cmill216]

Wow. The numbers for both shows were a decent percentage higher than last week's. :eek: :up:

[RakuMon]

The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).

[dsfjr1190]

Why would abyone stop watching Supernatural at the half-hour mark? I don't get it. Why bother starting it if you just change the channel at 9:30? It happens every week.

[RakuMon]

Usually, those number represent people who tuned in for the beginning of the show, then turned the channel if said show didn't hold their interest.

Conventional wisdom dictates that a show that builds as the hour progresses holds on to more viewers. This is why a lot of networks prefer episodic shows (like crime procedurals) to serialized ones (like Lost and Heroes) because more viewers can tune in to a random Law & Order and figure out what's going on. Whereas, serialized dramas require to much effort on the viewer to follow what's going on.

It ain't perfect. Then again, ratings is an inexact science.

[Captivated]

I'm getting the sad feeling that this will be Supernatural's final season. I'll be uber sad if it is. :(
Last night Supernatural was GREAT, and next week's previews looked interesting. That show has totally grown on me and I hope it makes it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).

It's always done that ever since moving to Thursdays. My only guess is that a lot of people watch a 1/2 hour skein at 8 and then click over.

SN's retention out of Smallville is still pretty weak though.

[AgentPat]

When the final numbers come in, this episode will be over five million. Watch and learn young bucks. :D

[NHawk19]

^^based on your previous article i'm really curious to see what they do to the entire CW network. Their target audience is the younger techno savy.

Of course the C3s may be a dissappointment on that net for the vary same reason :(

[mellyM]

The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).
Thats always been the case with SV,at least the last couple of seasons I've never been able to figure it out, do people flip around and then happen upon SV and start watching? weird.
EDIT: oops, Hulk already mentioned.

[mellyM]

Why would abyone stop watching Supernatural at the half-hour mark? I don't get it. Why bother starting it if you just change the channel at 9:30? It happens every week.
I'm guilty of that, I generally just leave it on the same channel after SV, realize I'm not really paying attention to SPN then flip around to see what else is on. Makes sense in a way.

[Olea]

I have some really really really great news for Smallville. Apparently Neilsen ratings has changed her system and now is adding the DVR viewing for the first 7 days after the episode aired to the Final Ratings. Have a look at the following:

The ratings for premiere week are finally in. Well, mostly. And -- surprise -- lots of people still watch "CSI" and "Grey's Anatomy."

Yes, premiere week ended 15 days ago. But Nielsen has just gotten around to releasing its updated, "live + 7" ratings, which takes in both live viewing of a show and DVR viewing up to a week later.

And while there was some shuffling in the rankings, for the most part the top shows the night after they aired remained the top shows a week later. They just picked up a couple million viewers along the way.

CBS' "CSI," for instance, was the No. 1 show of premiere week (Sept. 24-30) in the "live + same day" ratings -- which is what Zap2it reports each morning -- and remained that way in the live + 7 standings. It picked up 1.92 million viewers from the same-day figures, ending up with a total of 27.27 million.

ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" picked up the most delayed viewers that week, going from 20.95 viewers in the same-day ratings to 22.97 million in the plus-sevens, in the process passing the Monday "Dancing with the Stars" to become the second most-watched show of the week.
"The Office," which airs opposite "CSI" and "Grey's," added the highest percentage of viewers. The NBC comedy saw its viewership rise 10.9 percent from the same-day figures to the weekly numbers, finishing at 10.84 million viewers.

The seven-day numbers didn't change the top of the ratings too much, but there was some movement farther down the list. The new NBC drama "Journeyman" saw its premiere rise from 42nd to 36th in the rankings. The CW's "Smallville" also jumped six spots, from 76th to 70th.

And then there's "CW Now," the barely seen pop-culture magazine show that airs Sunday nights on its namesake network. It gained not a single viewer in the seven-day numbers, staying at the scant 777,000 viewers it attracted with its initial airing.

Network-suit types are still waiting for yet another set of numbers from Nielsen, this time measuring commercial viewing for up to three days after a show airs. Those "C3" ratings are likely to become the number advertisers watch most closely.

Do you know what that means? It might take longer to come out but they will include more groups of people who were actually not there to watch live and had to record it. HENCE, larger number ratings!!!!!!!!!

According to ABC Medianet Smallville ranked at #74 (not #76) with 5.180million viewers. At #70 was FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 2 with 5.410million viewers. But if we assume that the jump is still 6 spots and the mistake is at the numbers above (74 - 76), then it should be at #68 which was LAW & ORDER:SVU-SAT with 5.570million viewers.

From 5.180 to 5.410 or 5.570 is an average of 310.000 extra viewers.

Imagine what the retings would be if Nielsen took into account illegal downloads from torrents sites alone. That would be an average of 150.000 more viewers from all of them.

[KalKai]

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003658566

Nielsen: ABC's Grey's Most Played-Back Premiere

Marc Berman

OCTOBER 15, 2007 -

Based on results for the first official week of the 2007-08 season, Sept. 24-30, the season-premiere of ABC's Grey’s Anatomy was prime time's most played-back show, with an additional 3.89 million viewers via time-shifted viewing. The season-premiere of NBC’s The Office, however, had the highest percentage of DVR contribution, with a hefty 22.2 percent. Second by percentage was NBC’s Heroes (20.5 percent), followed by Fox’s Bones (17.9 percent), Fox’s House (17.1 percent), and Grey’s Anatomy and Fox’s Family Guy tied at 16.9 percent.

Other observations worth noting:

-Three of the most played back shows -- NBC’s Bionic Woman, ABC’s Private Practice and NBC’s Journeyman -- were series premieres.

-The competing Bionic Woman, Private Practice and CBS’ Criminal Minds all cracked the top 10 for play back usage.

-The CW’s most played back show was the season-premiere of Smallville, with 841,000 additional viewers (representing 15.0 percent of the total DVR contribution).

-The debut of CW Now was dead-last, with absolutely no additional playback viewers.

-Scripted programming had a clear advantage over non-scripted programming.

[NHawk19]

This is from USAToday

By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
Digital video recorders are rapidly changing TV viewing habits, premiere-week data out Monday from Nielsen confirms.
Take Grey's Anatomy: The Sept. 27 season premiere of ABC's medical drama averaged a healthy 19.1 million viewers at 9 ET/PT. But count those who watched up to seven days afterward and the number jumps by 3.9 million to a total of 23 million. Put another way, 17% of Grey's audience was not watching the show when it first aired.

As expected, Nielsen's numbers reveal that many of the most frequently recorded shows air in intensely competitive time slots: Wednesday's Private Practice, Bionic Woman and Criminal Minds added about 2 million viewers apiece to their "live" audience; Thursday's faceoff between Grey's, CSI and The Office led nearly 10 million to watch one or more of these shows later.

ABC researcher Larry Hyams says the most popular network shows get the biggest overall lift: "More people go out of their way to record them."

But on a percentage basis, lower-rated shows gained more: 22% of viewership for The Office was delayed, boosting its total from 8.4 million to 10.8 million. Fox's Bones, Prison Break and Family Guy each counted about 17% of their total audience as procrastinators, and CW series Beauty and the Geek, Reaper and Smallville were close behind.
The new figures "are very reassuring for us," says CBS research chief David Poltrack, by reducing year-to-year viewership declines from 7% to a "more manageable" 4% for the Big 4 networks.

DVR homes now make up 20% of Nielsen's sample, up from just 9% last fall. Still, the dramatic effect of so few homes on national ratings is "fairly significant," says Magna Global USA's Steve Sternberg, and will grow as DVR use accelerates.

Other trends: DVR usage was most prevalent among younger viewers; it favored returning shows over newcomers; and was probably more active during premiere week (Sept. 24-30) than in a typical week, as viewers juggled new and returning shows before settling on their permanent picks.

The new figures also changed the network pecking order originally reported by Nielsen, based on ratings for shows viewed live or on the same day they're broadcast. CBS, not ABC, won the first week of the season, and among young-adult viewers, NBC won outright, no longer tying with ABC.

But that's just for bragging rights. The networks will jockey over a new set of statistics, due out today, that will determine ad dollars: presumably lower ratings for commercials — not programs — viewed up to three days after first airing.

[dark_b]

i hope that someday the ratings will be big enough to spend more money on SV.

[The Incredible Hulk]

From K-Site:

DVR Ratings: Smallville Picks Up More Viewers
New "Live+7" Neilsen ratings are now being released revealing how many viewers are digitally recording their shows and saving to watch them later. Smallville benefited greatly from DVR use, with over 800,000 extra viewers tuning in to see the show's season premiere.

The viewer bump also helped lift Smallville up to #70 for the week, from #76 where it sat without DVR taken into account. Considering the very competitive timeslot, this is good news for the show, and if the DVR trend continues, it would put every episode of Season Seven at over five million viewers.

[Pickle-El]

Glad to see both Smallville and The Office doing so well.....Damn.

[Tempest19]

Awesome. I really want them to do that DVR thing with SN because chances are it'll be bumped up ALOT too.

[RakuMon]

Whoa. Smallville is definitely on the uptick this season! :wow:

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/1807

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 14.52 million, Fox: 12.25, ABC: 11.89, NBC: 8.43, CW: 4.06

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.5 rating/12 share, CBS: 4.4/12, NBC: 3.7/10, Fox: 3.6/10, CW: 4.06

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
My Name Is Earl (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC), Viva Laughlin (CBS), Big Shots (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was yet another night of mixed leadership on this fourth Thursday of the 2007-08 season, with CBS the most-watched network and ABC No. 1 among key adults 18-49 (one-tenth of a rating point ahead of CBS, which could have been considerably higher had it not been for the DOA preview of Viva Laughlin). Second in total viewers, but fourth among adults 18-49 was game five of the American League Championship Series on Fox, while NBC finished fourth in total viewers and third in the demo. The CW, of course, was last.

CBS’ Survivor: China opened the evening on a winning note, with 13.92 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Second was the Indians/Red Sox match-up on Fox (Viewers: 10.85 million; A18-49: 3.1/ 9 from 8-9 p.m., including the pre-game), followed by ABC’s rapidly declining Ugly Betty at 9.67 million viewers (#1) and a 3.1/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#2t). Comparably, Ugly Betty was down from one year earlier (Viewers: 13.17 million, A18-49: 4.4/12) by a hefty 3.50 million viewers and 30 percent in the demo. Just how long, after all, can the frumpy gimmick last?

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC comedies NBC’s My Name is Earl (Viewers: #4, 7.26 million; A18-49: #3t, 2.7/ 8) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 6.27 million; A18-49: #4, 2.6/ 7), and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 5.06 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6). While I tried to give the NBC comedies the benefit of the doubt, it’s off the loser’s list for both.

Overall, game five of the American League Championship Baseball Series on Fox averaged an approximate 12.81 million viewers and a 3.8 rating/10 share among adults 18-49 from 8:30-11 p.m. Keep in mind that fast affiliate results for any live sporting event are always approximate.

CBS’ veteran CSI and Grey’s Anatomy on ABC shared leadership in the 9 p.m. hour as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 20.80 million (#1), A18-49: 6.4/15 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 17.67 million (#2), A18-49: 7.1/17 (#1)

Also airing from 9-10 p.m. was another hour-long edition of NBC’s The Office (Viewers: #4, 8.50 million; A18-49: #3, 4.4/11), which built from lead-in 30 Rock by 69 percent among adults 18-49, and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.06 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Retention for Supernatural out of Smallville last night was 60 percent in total viewers and 65 percent among adults 18-49.

In series-premiere news, there is no singing in the halls of CBS today with musical drama Viva Laughlin previewing fourth in both total viewers (8.83 million) and adults 18-49 (2.4/ 7) at 10 p.m. Comparably, retention for Viva Laughlin out of CSI was just 42 percent in total viewers and 37 percent among adults 18-49. The year-ago time period occupant, Shark, averaged a considerably higher 13.71 million viewers and a 4.2/11 in the demo on Oct. 19, 2006. More concerning was a loss of 2.64 million viewers (10.15 to 7.51 million) and 31 percent among adults 18-49 (2.9/ 7 to 2.0/ 6) at 10 p.m. Do not expect much this Sunday when Viva Laughlin debuts in its regularly scheduled 8 p.m. time period (out of 60 Minutes). Why CBS, why?

Also airing at 10 p.m. was NBC’s veteran ER (Viewers: #2, 10.01 million; A18-49: #2, 4.0/11) and week four of ABC’s not-so Big Shots (Viewers: #4, 8.34 million; A18-49: #3, 3.3/ 9). Big Shots also took a hit at 10:30 p.m., falling by 2.0 million viewers (9.34 to 7.34 million) and 22 percent among adults 18-49 (3.7/10 to 2.9/ 8).

Source: Nielsen Media Research

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[triplet]

Whoa. Smallville is definitely on the uptick this season! :wow:

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/1807

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 14.52 million, Fox: 12.25, ABC: 11.89, NBC: 8.43, CW: 4.06

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.5 rating/12 share, CBS: 4.4/12, NBC: 3.7/10, Fox: 3.6/10, CW: 4.06

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
My Name Is Earl (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC), Viva Laughlin (CBS), Big Shots (ABC)

--------------------

-Ratings Breakdown:
It was yet another night of mixed leadership on this fourth Thursday of the 2007-08 season, with CBS the most-watched network and ABC No. 1 among key adults 18-49 (one-tenth of a rating point ahead of CBS, which could have been considerably higher had it not been for the DOA preview of Viva Laughlin). Second in total viewers, but fourth among adults 18-49 was game five of the American League Championship Series on Fox, while NBC finished fourth in total viewers and third in the demo. The CW, of course, was last.

CBS’ Survivor: China opened the evening on a winning note, with 13.92 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Second was the Indians/Red Sox match-up on Fox (Viewers: 10.85 million; A18-49: 3.1/ 9 from 8-9 p.m., including the pre-game), followed by ABC’s rapidly declining Ugly Betty at 9.67 million viewers (#1) and a 3.1/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#2t). Comparably, Ugly Betty was down from one year earlier (Viewers: 13.17 million, A18-49: 4.4/12) by a hefty 3.50 million viewers and 30 percent in the demo. Just how long, after all, can the frumpy gimmick last?

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC comedies NBC’s My Name is Earl (Viewers: #4, 7.26 million; A18-49: #3t, 2.7/ 8) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 6.27 million; A18-49: #4, 2.6/ 7), and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 5.06 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6). While I tried to give the NBC comedies the benefit of the doubt, it’s off the loser’s list for both.

Overall, game five of the American League Championship Baseball Series on Fox averaged an approximate 12.81 million viewers and a 3.8 rating/10 share among adults 18-49 from 8:30-11 p.m. Keep in mind that fast affiliate results for any live sporting event are always approximate.

CBS’ veteran CSI and Grey’s Anatomy on ABC shared leadership in the 9 p.m. hour as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 20.80 million (#1), A18-49: 6.4/15 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 17.67 million (#2), A18-49: 7.1/17 (#1)

Also airing from 9-10 p.m. was another hour-long edition of NBC’s The Office (Viewers: #4, 8.50 million; A18-49: #3, 4.4/11), which built from lead-in 30 Rock by 69 percent among adults 18-49, and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.06 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Retention for Supernatural out of Smallville last night was 60 percent in total viewers and 65 percent among adults 18-49.

In series-premiere news, there is no singing in the halls of CBS today with musical drama Viva Laughlin previewing fourth in both total viewers (8.83 million) and adults 18-49 (2.4/ 7) at 10 p.m. Comparably, retention for Viva Laughlin out of CSI was just 42 percent in total viewers and 37 percent among adults 18-49. The year-ago time period occupant, Shark, averaged a considerably higher 13.71 million viewers and a 4.2/11 in the demo on Oct. 19, 2006. More concerning was a loss of 2.64 million viewers (10.15 to 7.51 million) and 31 percent among adults 18-49 (2.9/ 7 to 2.0/ 6) at 10 p.m. Do not expect much this Sunday when Viva Laughlin debuts in its regularly scheduled 8 p.m. time period (out of 60 Minutes). Why CBS, why?

Also airing at 10 p.m. was NBC’s veteran ER (Viewers: #2, 10.01 million; A18-49: #2, 4.0/11) and week four of ABC’s not-so Big Shots (Viewers: #4, 8.34 million; A18-49: #3, 3.3/ 9). Big Shots also took a hit at 10:30 p.m., falling by 2.0 million viewers (9.34 to 7.34 million) and 22 percent among adults 18-49 (3.7/10 to 2.9/ 8).

Source: Nielsen Media Research

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Aw...

Poor DeKnight.

He's now exec producing Viva Laughlin, he shoulda gone with that Vampire skein he'd said he had also been looking at before he took that...

I'm sorry it's not looking good for the SPN boys.

:(

Although, I guess they're doing pretty good considering the competition.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I'm sorry it's not looking good for the SPN boys.


If Supernatural gets cancelled for some teen drama next year Im going to be pissed. We all know what happened to the vampire show that tried to take Angels place after that tried to air :o

[Syncos]

I'm sorry it's not looking good for the SPN boys.

That's a damned shame, considering how bang on, Supernaturals been lately. Last night's episode was amazing.

[Migu-EL]

That's a damned shame, considering how bang on, Supernaturals been lately. Last night's episode was amazing.


Yeah, I only got to see the first half and from what I saw it seemed to be on it's way towards being a great epi. I'll have to finish watching the last half today.:up:

[triplet]

Yeah, I only got to see the first half and from what I saw it seemed to be on it's way towards being a great epi. I'll have to finish watching the last half today.:up:

It was pretty damn funny...

:D

[Captivated]

That's a damned shame, considering how bang on, Supernatural's been lately. Last nights episode was amazing.We have REALLY been loving Supernatural so far this season! If you aren't watching you should try it. :yay: :up:

That show started growing on me just last year and now I can't miss it either... Which is real convenient since I have the DVD recorder on for Smallville.

The only gripe I had last night was the stereotypical depiction of the "Christian" as being a psycho nut. Not that there's not a "loony-tune" in every section of society, but I'm REEEALLY fed up with the media ALWAYS portraying Christians as either evil or stupid. :mad: Nothing could be further from the truth and it just reveals a prevalent prejudice that's getting on my last nerve.

[Cmill216]

Supernatural's ratings were down from last week's but still up from the season premiere's. I just think no one was diggin' the rabbit's foot promos.

[Syncos]

We have REALLY been loving Supernatural so far this season! If you aren't watching you should try it. :yay: :up:

That show started growing on me just last year and now I can't miss it either... Which is real convenient since I have the DVD recorder on for Smallville.

The only gripe I had last night was the stereotypical depiction of the "Christian" as being a psycho nut. Not that there's not a "loony-tune" in every section of society, but I'm REEEALLY fed up with the media ALWAYS portraying Christians as either evil or stupid. :mad: Nothing could be further from the truth and it just reveals a prevalent prejudice that's getting on my last nerve.

Well, It's been established that Sam is a Christian, and he may not be normal, but he's not crazy. Hell, they had a whole religion episode, where even Dean was questioning his ways. As far as this episode goes, It almost stands to reason, where if you're in that kind of line of work, and you see evil things tearing good people apart daily, you're either going to lose faith, or you're going to go a little nutty. I can't justify the media, but at least I can see where this is coming from.

[AgentPat]

More on DVR ratings increases:
http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1671999,00.html

Excerpt:

The CW Network saw the largest primetime viewership increases (on a percentage basis) of any network in women 18-34 for the week of 9/24/07 once DVR playback was included, according to Nielsen Live Plus Seven Day ratings.

The premiere of Smallville saw increases of 24% in women 18-34 (2.14rtg v. 1.73rtg), 27% more adults 18-34 (2.24rtg v. 1.77rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

[TWistim]

Yep! I bet anything we get an 8th season. I just hope it kicks a$$!

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/25/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 15.64 million, CBS: 13.89, ABC: 11.96, NBC: 8.17, CW: 3.88

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.8 rating/14 share, ABC: 4.6/10, CBS: 3.9/12, NBC: 3.8/ 7, CW: 1.1/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
World Series, Game 2 (Fox), Survivor: China (CBS), CSI R (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
30 Rock (NBC), Scrubs (NBC), Big Shots (ABC)

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Note: Any year-ago comparisons are based on final national ratings data.

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
Mirroring the year-ago evening, Fox scored a rare Thursday victory care of the ongoing Baseball World Series. Game two of the Colorado/Boston match-up (including the pre-game) averaged an approximate 15.64 million viewers and a 4.8 rating/14 share among adults 18-49 in prime-time. Keep in mind, of course, that fast affiliate results for any live sporting event are always approximate. One year earlier, game four of the Detroit vs. St. Louis World Series match-up averaged 16.11 million viewers and a 5.1/15 in the demo on Thursday, Oct. 26, 2006.

CBS and ABC shared the No. 2 and 3 spots, respectively, with CBS second in total viewers and ABC second among adults 18-49. CBS’ Survivor: China opened the evening on a winning note, with a healthy 14.16 million viewers and a 4.4/12 among adults 18-49. That led into a repeat of CSI (Viewers: #2, 14.76 million; A18-49: #3, 3.8/12), followed by Without a Trace at 12.75 million viewers (#2) and a 3.3/12 (#2t) in the demo at 10 p.m. ABC aired its regularly scheduled line-up of Ugly Betty (Viewers: #3, 9.84 million; A18-49: #4, 3.2/ 9), Grey’s Anatomy (Viewers: #1, 17.95 million; A18-49: #1, 7.3/15) and Big Shots (Viewers: #4, 8.08 million; A18-49: #3t, 3.3/ 7). Retention for failing Big Shots out of Grey’s Anatomy was just 45 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49. And the loss of audience for Big Shots at 10:30 p.m. was a hefty 2.10 million viewers (9.13 to 7.03 million) and 26 percent among adults 18-49 (3.8/ 7 to 2.8/ 7). Tick, tock…the cancellation clock is ticking.

NBC finished fourth overall in both total viewers and adults 18-49 with its line-up of My Name is Earl (Viewers: #4, 8.23 million; A18-49: #3, 3.6/ 7), 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 6.53 million; A18-49: #4, 3.1/ 5), The Office (Viewers: #4, 8.98 million; A18-49: #3, 4.7/ 7), the season-premiere of Scrubs (Viewers: #4, 7.03 million; A18-49: #4, 3.8/ 6), and veteran ER (Viewers: #3, 9.12 million; A18-49: #2, 3.7/ 8). Noticeable declines for both 30 Rock and Scrubs out of their lead-ins was enough to land both in the listing of losers.

The CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.50 million; A18-49: #5, 1.8/ 4) and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.27 million; A18-49: 1.3/ 3) were at typical Thursday levels.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data


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[The Incredible Hulk]

World Series took up a lot of viewers. Boston and Denver are pretty big markets. Hoepfully they'll get the DVR bump up again.

[AgentPat]

World Series took up a lot of viewers. Boston and Denver are pretty big markets. Hoepfully they'll get the DVR bump up again.I'm sure they will, but I also believe Dean Cain was a big part of the reason for last week's higher ratings. If the World Series goes seven games (and it's not looking good for the National League), then I *think* the seventh game will air next Thursday. Otherwise, the ratings should tick up a bit, especially since CW is actually promoting that episode. :eek:

[Cmill216]

No Kara = Low Ratings?

:p

[AgentPat]

No Kara = Low Ratings?

:pIt doesn't work that way. 'Shippers make the same mistake too. If anything, you'd have a better case arguing who was on the show last week as being influential to ratings this week.

Somebody over at TWOP summed it up rather well. Don't let the site it was posted on cloud the point made. This is solid and I couldn't have written it any better:

Ratings for a particular episode don't say anything about the popularity--let alone the quality--of that particular episode. People choose to watch a show before it airs. If they don't like it, they may not watch next week. Individual episodes of a TV show are not like movies or books. They are basically one-shot deals, sprung on an unsuspecting public.

Sure, it's possible to find out stuff about a show before it airs. But people who are invested enough in a TV series to hunt up online spoilers are probably going to watch the show regardless... I mean, who are we kidding? If only to log on and complain about it. As far as the general public goes, the decision whether or not to watch a particular episode is based on past experience with the series. Or there not being a game that night. If an episode gets more face time in TV Guide or EW because there's something special about the story or casting (reference Justice and Cure), then that could easily give it a little bump in the ratings, and we've seen that happen. As much as we all enjoyed Action, there was nothing "special" about it AFA the general audience was concerned, and the ep didn't get any special face time. Kara being in the episode or not wasn't something the general public would have known until after the episode was over, and at that point, it's too late to influence the ratings.

[avidreader]

Well now this is good news. From Ksite.

"Action" Ratings: 4.64 Million, Still Strong In Key Demographics
With 4.64 million viewers, the Smallville episode "Action" was down from the previous week, but actually scored very highly in key demographics.
The show won the 8PM hour and ranked #2 for the evening overall, behind only the World Series, in the Teens and Male Teens demographics. In fact, it was Smallville's best performance in the Male Teens demographic since February 2006 (which we would assume was for the "Cyborg" episode).
Hey CW, we're waiting for that Season 8 order now...

[Billy Batson]

To chime in on the Supernatural chat, I think the WB should pair up Reaper and Supernatural on the same night.

I wonder do the new rating system account for multiple repeated viewing.
I watch Thursday episode seven times, can’t get enough of the Clana midair catch scene.

[Mig-El]

If Smallville is ending this year, at least it's ending on a great ratings run.

[Cmill216]

To chime in on the Supernatural chat, I think the WB should pair up Reaper and Supernatural on the same night.

I wonder do the new rating system account for multiple repeated viewing.
I watch Thursday episode seven times, can’t get enough of the Clana midair catch scene.

Supernatural's ratings (IMO) have nothing to do with its lead-in or quality. Smallville's tone, in fact, is a lot closer to Supernatural's tone than Reaper's (a straight up comedy).

The problem is simply the time slot. You can't expect the best numbers the world has to offer when you're going against CSI and Grey's Anatomy every night.

[Billy Batson]

Supernatural's ratings (IMO) have nothing to do with its lead-in or quality. Smallville's tone, in fact, is a lot closer to Supernatural's tone than Reaper's (a straight up comedy).

The problem is simply the time slot. You can't expect the best numbers the world has to offer when you're going against CSI and Grey's Anatomy every night.

I disagree Reaper the perfect lead-in or follow up to Supernatural, Charm would've been an even better fit. Roswell would have been the perfect follow up to Smallville, although I prefer the Flash or Aquaman.

[Cmill216]

I disagree Reaper is the perfect lead-in or follow up to Supernatural, Charm would've been an even better fit.

Charmed? Yes. Definitely.

But I don't know about Reaper. I love that show to death, but it's too lighthearted in comparison to SPN. I think the reason the current pairing has worked as long as it has is because Supernatural has a comic book feel to it (irony being that it now has a comic book).

[Billy Batson]

SN has it's lighthearted and comedic moments as well.
I think the CW/WB think that a comic book may help SN out.
The comic book formula did wonders for Smallville. :cwink:

[AgentPat]

CW press release on DVR stats:

(For "Fierce" 10/11/07)

10/29/07, 4:11pm
THE CW REAPS DRAMATIC VIEWERSHIP GAINS FROM DVRS AND TIME-SHIFTING
Released by The CW

The CW Gains Additional 20% with DVRs in Adults 18-34 and Women 18-34; Scores Largest Percent Increase in Adults 18-49 for Week of 10/8/07

GOSSIP GIRL, TOP MODEL, REAPER, BEAUTY AND THE GEEK, SMALLVILLE and SUPERNATURAL Post Double-Digit Increases In Live Plus 7 Day Playback Ratings

October 29, 2007 (Burbank, CA) - The CW Network continues to score double-digit viewership increases with the inclusion of DVR playback, according to Nielsen Live Plus Seven Day ratings for the week of 10/8/07.

Overall, The CW's primetime weekly average was bolstered 20% in women 18-34 (1.86rtg v. 1.55rtg) and 20% in adults 18-34 (1.48 v. 1.23) according to Nielsen live-plus 7 day ratings vs. live only viewing. The CW also posted the largest percent gains for its weekly primetime average (19%, 1.34rtg v. 1.13rtg) of any network in adults 18-49.

"Gossip Girl," "America's Next Top Model," "Beauty and The Geek," "Reaper," "Smallville" and "Supernatural" all benefited tremendously from DVR usage, gaining 21-34% more viewers in its target demos who recorded and watched the shows within 7 days of its live broadcast.

For the week of 10/8/07:

"Gossip Girl" added 31% more women 18-34 (3.31rtg v. 2.53rtg) and 30% more adults 18-34 (2.05rtg v. 1.58rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

"Top Model" scored gains of 26% in women 18-34 (5.06rtg v. 4.02rtg) and 25% more adults 18-34 (3.13rtg v. 2.51rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

"Beauty and the Geek" added 24% more women 18-34 (2.61rtg v. 2.11rtg) and 24% more adults 18-34 (2.14rtg v. 1.73rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

"Reaper" gained an additional 29% more women 18-34 (1.57rtg v. 1.22rtg) and 34% more adults 18-34 (1.66rtg v. 1.24rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

"Smallville" saw increases of 26% in women 18-34 (2.17rtg v. 1.72rtg) and 32% more adults 18-34 (2.33rtg v. 1.76rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.

"Supernatural" posted gains of 21% in women 18-34 (1.60rtg v. 1.32rtg) and 28% more adults 18-34 (1.25rtg v. 0.98rtg) in Live+7 DVR viewing compared to those who only watched live.


http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20071029cw01

[Captivated]

That's interesting... and I'm not surprised. :yay:

I'm too impatient to wait, so I usually watch it LIVE, but the comercials are ridiculous! The second and third viewings are MUCH more enjoyable. My BF and boss always watch it recorded.

I'm glad to see better numbers for SN. That show has been great this year. I'm SO glad it follows SV because I can record them on the same DVD. Bonus. :yay:

[AgentPat]

"Thursday, the first night of sweeps, will see big-screen Supergirl Helen Slater return to her Kryptonian roots on the CW's Smallville as Clark Kent's alien mother."
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=1e88829e-3eb4-4417-8b8d-aca443e4c61b&sid=fd-news


^ That is just one of a few print and on-line articles that mention Helen Slater's appearance on SV and the November sweeps, which start tomorrow. Buddy TV points out that Slater will be in two of the three SV eps in November (Thanksgiving will be a repeat) and that will help ratings.

Here's my prediction: It's not going to mean squat. Dean Cain, yes. Helen Slater (who?), nope. I believe most of SV's audience have no clue who she is, and that goes for Marc I-am-"Hero" McClure too.

Numbers for "Lara" will be posted around noon this Friday. Lets see how this turns out. :yay:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Slater wont be a big ratings draw. The Supergirl film is like a cult movie at best.

[Moviefan2k4]

I liked the "Supergirl" film for the most part. True, it wasn't as good as the original Christopher Reeve film, but it was a lot better than Superman III or IV.

[triplet]

Slater wont be a big ratings draw. The Supergirl film is like a cult movie at best.

She's in like the only truly bad film that Russell Crowe ever made, No Way Back...

*shudders*

Poor Russell, he only took that film because he was broke. Poor guy.

Going off of that film, I'm not sure Helen can act. She was pretty awful, so I don't know how big a draw she's going to be.

[rumpuso]

I was reading some articles on Buddy TV this morning, and this one about Smallville's ratings decline this season caught my eye. I was under the impression that Smallville was kicking butt in the ratings this season. Am I wrong??

---

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/smallville-swoops-into-sweeps-13249.aspx

October 31, 2007

Smallville has been performing notably below par since returning for it's seventh season, but fear not - the Young Man of Steel's keepers are banking on the Superman franchise's princess, Helen Slater aka the original Supergirl, to bring the geeks salivating to their TV sets when Smallville flies - or runs really fast - into sweeps. Read on for the details of Slater's iconic appearance.

Slater, who played Kara in the 1984 feature film, will play the part of Lara, Clark's biological mother. Getting them together on the screen requires a bit of plot trickiness that we can't reveal here, but suffice to say Clark (Tom Welling) will be getting some one on one time with his long deceased mother.

Smallville will only feature three episodes during the sweeps period, with two of them featuring Slater. Smallville's diminished ratings have been getting an impressive double digit boost when the seven day DVR factors are taken into consideration, but by and large the show has suffered an uncharacteristic decline for what some predict may be the final season of Smallville.
Star Michael Rosenbaum, who plays Lex Luthor, has announced that he will retire from the show after this season, meaning that Luthor's transition from corporate baddie to renegade scientist/villain will take place at some point in the coming months. If this turns out to be the final season of Smallville, another transition may be waiting in the wings as well.

It has already been rumored that Tom Welling is in talks to play the part of Superman in a Justice League movie. While the productions have nothing but the property in common, it would make sense for Smallville to end in some way that dove tails with the feature film.
Since the film is not due out until 2010, there is still plenty of time for Welling to crank out another season of Smallville should the series continue, but the appearance of Welling in the iconic tights would, in most people's minds, present a paradigm shift that would essentially make it impossible for cast and fans to return to the Smallville vision of the Superman mythology. Only time will tell.


- Jon Lachonis, BuddyTV Senior Writer
(Image courtesy of the CW)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville is doing better in ratings this year than before, it gets mentioned in the ratings summary every week. This guy is just uninformed. He also says JLA is coming out in 2010, which it isnt, its coming out in 2009. Not exactly a shining example of journalism here.

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 11/01/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 15.89 million, ABC: 12.56, Fox: 8.50, NBC: 7.96, CW: 3.80

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.0 rating/13 share, CBS: 4.8/12, NBC: 3.7/ 9, Fox: 2.5/ 6, CW: 1.5/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC), Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Big Shots (ABC)

Note: The listing of winners and losers are subject to change after the fast affiliate ratings are posted at PIFeedback.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS opened the Nov. 2007 sweeps on a winning note in total viewers, while ABC was first among adults 18-49. NBC and Fox tied for the No. 3 and 4 spots, and the CW was fifth.

CBS’ veteran Survivor: China opened the evening on a winning note, with 14.32 million viewers and a 4.8 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Next was ABC’s Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 9.90 million; A18-49: #2, 3.4/ 9), which dipped by a hefty 3.72 million viewers and 23 percent among adults 18-49 from one year earlier (Viewers: 13.62 million; A18-49: 4.4/11 on Nov. 2, 2006). Tied for third in the hour was a one hour edition of NBC’s My Name is Earl and Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, which remains a vast improvement over year-ago occupants ‘Til Death and Happy Hour. Take a look:

My Name Is Earl (NBC)
Viewers: 7.29 million (#4), A18-49: 3.1/ 9 (#3)

Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox)
Viewers: 8.43 million (#3), A18-49: 2.6/ 7 (#4)

Capping off the 8 p.m. was the CW’s Smallville with a typical 4.31 million viewers and a 1.7/ 5 in the demo.

Grey’s Anatomy finished first, as usual, among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m., while inching past CBS’ CSI in total viewers. Take a look:

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 18.76 million (#1), A18-49: 7.9/19 (#1)

CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 18.75 million (#2), A18-49: 5.6/13 (#2)

Another episode of Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? was third in the hour in total viewers (#3: 8.58 million) and fourth in adults 18-49 (#4, 2.5/ 6). And NBC’s combination of The Office (Viewers: #4, 8.39 million; A18-49: #3, 4.5/11) and Scrubs (Viewers: #4, 6.68 million; A18-49: #3, 3.7/ 9) was just the opposite. At this point, it is time for Scrubs to officially end. Worth noting for The Office was the double-digit growth out of My Name is Earl among adults 18-49.

Capping off the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at 3.28 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49.

First at 10 p.m. was CBS’ Without a Trace, at 14.62 million viewers and a 4.0/11 among adults 18-49. Second was NBC’s needs-to-be retired ER (Viewers: 9.06 million; A18-49: 3.9/11), followed by Big Shots on ABC at an approximate 9.01 million viewers and a 3.7/10 in the demo. I stress approximate because the first four or five minutes of the 10 p.m. half hour included Grey’s Anatomy. With that in mind, look how much Big Shots dropped in the second half-hour:

10:00 p.m. Grey’s Anatomy/Big Shots – Viewers: 11.21 million, A18-49: 4.7/12
10:30 p.m. Big Shots – Viewers: 6.81 million, A18-49: 2.8/ 8

Note to Big Shots: tick, tock…the cancellation clock is ticking!

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/21710238

[Cmill216]

Compared to "Action", that's a stepdown in total viewers for SV. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the final numbers and DVR figures come in.

SPN saw a slight increase.

[Cmill216]

And in all reality, Helen Slater WAS the only hook to this episode, outside of the return of Kara. Very little Lana, Lex, or even Clark.

[Son of Sun]

Is 4-5 million a bad figure?

That, from someone who's from a country that has a population little over that. Guess that really popular shows top 20 million without breaking a sweat, but is 4-5 million bad enough to cancel the whole show? Or, what would be bad enough rating to cancel a show?

Or, are they just aiming to score from somewhere else than with viewer ratings, like DVD's and such.

[The Incredible Hulk]

thats about average for the show since its been on Thursday nights

[Cmill216]

Like Hulk said, it's a decent enough performance based on the average.

But it's a stepdown from where they've been at this season.

[Tomwelling4sups]

A.) She's a poor actress

Personally, I think she is a good actress and did a good job of acting motherly.

[Cmill216]

Heroes got 10 million viewers this week.

Wow, that show's fallen off rather quickly.

[avidreader]

Personally, I think she did a good actress and did a good job of acting motherly.

I thought she was good too. I loved her performance. And even though we only got a couple of lines from Lara in Memoria, I thought Helen carried that through to her performance in last night's episode.

[Prison Mike]

which episode will Kevin Sorbo be in?

[avidreader]

Read what I said. I didn't say her performance was bad.

I'm not one to argue with you Pat,:cwink: but isnt saying she's a poor actress more or less the same thing as saying her performance was bad. :huh:

Or were you implying that she's not very wealthy. :woot:

[Cmill216]

This is really cool!! Check it out:
http://scwphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3676393

Awesome link, Pat. Thanks for sharing.

[Serene]

Good actors can turn in poor performances, and bad actors sometimes get lucky. Halle Berry, anybody?


Somebody over at TWOP is keeping track of the ratings for all CW shows (overall viewership).

This is really cool!! Check it out:
http://scwphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/3676393

I don't really get all the various ratings charts but knowing that there are lots of ways to look at the numbers, what is this person using to chart with? Is that the final number of total viewers - because don't the numbers tend to change after a day or so? And what about the DVR numbers, and the key demo numbers?

I'm still mystified by how different the ratings numbers are reported to be between K-sites and other places sometimes. I stopped comparing them and just hope that SV is doing well.

I also wonder how much TPTB factor in the previous episode as being the influence on the viewership for any given episode - let alone the competing programming for that night - i.e. sports finals.

[Serene]

Oooh, I also recently saw a cool and similar charting someone on LJ did tracking which characters were googled the most. It was.. interesting. I'll have to see if I can share that.

[Iron Fist]

So have the ratings been good so far?