Ratings

[Iron Fist]

That's good to hear.

[triplet]

Oh, Smallville may get a small boost this next ratings week.

I got my diaries from Nielsen's and started filling it out today.

:up:

I even watched Smallville twice. (Does that count? I hope so.)

:D

And tonight's Supernatural was terrific.

Dean telling Bella, "Don't objectifiy me."

LOL!

But did Jenson look good in that tux or what?

:heart:

And Tom!

:heart: :heart: :heart:

*sigh*

Gorgeous!

[AgentPat]

Looking good. Last night's ep should push past 5 million when the finals come in this afternoon. :D

From PiFeeback:

Smallville: Viewers: #5, 4.95 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5.
Supernatural: Viewers: #5, 3.01 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3.


1/2 hour Breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.48 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.71 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.15 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.86 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

[AgentPat]

BTW - before anybody asks, there IS a typo in the ratings, but Berman hasn't said where it is. It's either in the overall average based on the half-hour breakdowns, which would make it 4.595 million viewers, or there's a typo in the half-hour breakdowns. When the error is determined, I'll update my last post. :)

[rumpuso]

Looking good. Last night's ep should push past 5 million when the finals come in this afternoon. :D

From PiFeeback:

Smallville: Viewers: #5, 4.95 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5.
Supernatural: Viewers: #5, 3.01 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3.


1/2 hour Breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.48 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.71 million, A18-49: 1.9/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.15 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 2.86 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3

Supernatural may have a very vocal fanbase rooting for it, but their ratings surely don't show for it. Kind of reminds me of the rabid Veronica Mars fanbase...a critical darling, but never a ratings winner.

Yay for Smallville, however!

[AgentPat]

Fast National ratings for "Blue" from PiFeedback:


Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 11/15/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.85 million, ABC: 12.98, NBC: 8.06, Fox: 7.81, CW: 3.69

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 5.1 rating/13 share, ABC: 5.0/12, NBC: 3.7/ 9, Fox: 2.5/ 6, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox), The Office (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
30 Rock (NBC), Scrubs (NBC), Women’s Murder Club (ABC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
Led by Jorja Fox’s departure on CSI, CBS finished first in both total viewers and adults 18-49 on this third Thursday of the Nov. 2007 sweeps -- one tenth of a rating point (or two percent) above second-place ABC in the demo. A distant third in both categories was NBC, followed by Fox and the CW.

First in the 8 p.m. hour was CBS’ Survivor: China, with 14.76 million viewers and a 4.8 rating/13 share among adults 18-49. One year earlier, the Cook Islands edition averaged 15.35 million viewers and a 5.3/14 in the demo. Tied for second was ABC’s deteriorating Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 10.73 million; A18-49: #3, 3.5/10) and NBC comedies My Name is Earl (Viewers: #4, 7.97 million; A18-49: #2, 3.6/10) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #4: 6.47 million; A18-49: #3, 3.2/ 8). Comparably, Ugly Betty was down by 2.22 million viewers and 10 percent in the demo from the year-ago evening (Viewers: 12.95 million; A18-49: 3.9/11 on Nov. 16, 2006).

Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #3, 9.60 million; A18-49: #4: 3.0/ 7), which remains a significant improvement over year-ago occupant The O.C., and Smallville on the CW (Viewers: #5, 4.49 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5).

At 9 p.m., CBS’ CSI netted an above average 21.29 million viewers (#1 for the evening) and a second-place 6.4/15 among adults 18-49. First in the demo was Grey’s Anatomy on ABC (#1 for the evening: 8.1/19), with a second place-finish in total viewers (19.28 million).

Also airing from 9-10 p.m. was NBC’s The Office (Viewers: #3, 8.86 million; A18-49: #3, 4.8/11) and Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 6.04 million; A18-49: #3, 3.2/ 7), Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Viewers: 6.01 million; A18-49: #4, 2.1/ 5), which fits well out of Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.89 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). Worth positively noting for The Office was growth of 50 percent among adults 18-49 out of lead-in 30 Rock. Say what you want about 30 Rock, but it will never be anything more than a core favorite.

At 10 p.m., CBS’ Without a Trace led with a solid 14.49 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. Next was NBC’s veteran ER (Viewers: 9.52 million; A18-49: 3.8/11), which was down by a hefty three million viewers and 31 percent among adults 18-49 from the year-ago evening (Viewers: 12.52 million; A18-49: 5.5/15 on Nov. 16, 2006), followed by a Thursday edition of Women’s Murder Club on ABC (Viewers: 8.93 million; A18-49: 3.3/ 9). Retention for Women’s Murder Club out of Grey’s Anatomy was just 46 percent in total viewers and 41 percent among adults 18-49.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/39810768

[The Incredible Hulk]

pretty average.

Gemini isnt going to look as good in 3 weeks. Those "tweener" episodes in between the fall and winter blocks never do well.

[AgentPat]

Just stumbled on this now, and holy information overload, Batman! This site has it ALL:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/

^ Bookmark that one folks. :wow: :up:

[Syncos]

Supernatural may have a very vocal fanbase rooting for it, but their ratings surely don't show for it. Kind of reminds me of the rabid Veronica Mars fanbase...a critical darling, but never a ratings winner.

Yay for Smallville, however!

Supernatural has a lot of heavy hitting shows on other networks pulling against it. If it were in a different time slot on a different day, the ratings might look better.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Just stumbled on this now, and holy information overload, Batman! This site has it ALL:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/

^ Bookmark that one folks. :wow: :up:

Holy crap excellent site Pat thanks for linking :woot:

[AgentPat]

Holy crap excellent site Pat thanks for linking :woot:I know, right? :eek:

I'm still surfing around there. It's like a maze. LOL

Here's a page listing all of the strike-affected shows:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/11/13/updated-show-by-show-strike-status/

It's useful because it's being kept up-to-date. :up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I know, right? :eek:


If there was ever a best news site awards contest that site would win without a doubt

[Serene]

Just stumbled on this now, and holy information overload, Batman! This site has it ALL:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/

^ Bookmark that one folks. :wow: :up:

Hee! Already had that one bookmarked, but I've always preferred having you to give me the breakdowns. :D

<--lazy

[Whiteflag]

Just stumbled on this now, and holy information overload, Batman! This site has it ALL:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/

^ Bookmark that one folks. :wow: :up:

Thanks so much, Pat! :up:

[AgentPat]

Ratings' discussion has come up in various other threads over the last few days, so I'm going to continue that here.

Regarding a Supergirl spin-off, I'll be SHOCKED if CW actually goes for it. Look at last night's ratings for Bionic Woman from Pifeedback: Viewers: 5.99 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 5. That's six million viewers. SIX! For an NBC show airing at 9pm on a weekday? Honestly, what were they thinking? They brought back a sci-fi show from the 70's that was itself a spin-off and only lasted 60 episodes. Ouch. At least 6MDM made it to the magic 100th ep - and then got canceled. :p Maybe BW would do better on cable - Sci-Fi Channel, perhaps? I dunno. Point is, the female superhero angle just isn't selling today. I seriously doubt CW would have much success with a Supergirl spin-off, no matter how much they try to promote LV.

And speaking of over promotion, look at the numbers for the already renewed Gossip Girl: Viewers: 2.98 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 4. That might seem pretty good compared to CW's other new programming, but ANTM had over 5 million in the previous hour, which means GG lost over two million viewers - 40% of ANTM's audience.

CW will be facing some pretty tough decisions come spring.

[Mikelus]

I agree with Pat, I don't think a Supergirl spin-off would work, taking into account the ratings from "Kara heavy" episodes this season, it is very evident Supergirl doesn't increase ratings at all, sad but true. Even a guest appeareance of Dean Cain is more popular, the ratings for "Cure" were at the same level of "Bizarro".

[Cmill216]

Actually, weren't the "Cure" ratings higher than "Bizarro"?

Maybe Knox should get a spin-off. :p

[AgentPat]

Here's the run-down so far...

Fast Nationals and Finals for S7 (DVR not included):

01. Bizarro 9/27 - 5.08 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 5.184M)
02. Kara 10/4 - 4.56 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (Finals were 4.586M)
03. Fierce 10/11 - 4.75 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.819M)
04. Cure 10/18 - 5.06 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (Finals were 5.18M)
05. Action 10/25 - 4.50 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (Finals were 4.648M)
06. Lara 11/1 - 4.31 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (Finals were 4.383M)
07. Wrath 11/8 - 4.595 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.644M)
08. Blue 11/15 - 4.49 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.513M)

LV was in Bizarro (teased), Kara, Fierce, Cure, Lara and Blue.
Dean Cain was in Cure.
Helen Slater was in Lara and Blue.
Christina Milian was in Action.

Edited due to idiocy. :p

[triplet]

Here's the run-down so far...

Fast Nationals and Finals for S7 (DVR not included):

01. Bizarro 9/27 - 5.08 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 5.184M)
02. Kara 10/4 - 4.56 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (Finals were 4.586M)
03. Fierce 10/11 - 4.75 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.819M)
04. Cure 10/18 - 5.06 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (Finals were 5.18M)
05. Action 10/25 - 4.50 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (Finals were 4.648M)
06. Lara 11/1 - 4.31 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (Finals were 4.383M)
07. Wrath 11/8 - 4.595 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.644M)
08. Blue 11/15 - 4.49 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.513M)

LV was in Bizarro (teased), Kara, Fierce, Cure, Lara and Blue.
Dean Cain was in Fierce.
Helen Slater was in Lara and Blue.
Christina Milian was in Action.

Actually, I'd filled in my Neilsons book the last two new thursdays for Smallville, for Wrath and Blue.

I watched Wrath twice that Thursday (so one viewing woulda been under DVR viewings), but I didn't watch Blue twice until after I'd mailed in my diary.

[avidreader]

Here's the run-down so far...

Fast Nationals and Finals for S7 (DVR not included):

01. Bizarro 9/27 - 5.08 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 5.184M)
02. Kara 10/4 - 4.56 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (Finals were 4.586M)
03. Fierce 10/11 - 4.75 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.819M)
04. Cure 10/18 - 5.06 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (Finals were 5.18M)
05. Action 10/25 - 4.50 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (Finals were 4.648M)
06. Lara 11/1 - 4.31 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (Finals were 4.383M)
07. Wrath 11/8 - 4.595 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.644M)
08. Blue 11/15 - 4.49 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.513M)

LV was in Bizarro (teased), Kara, Fierce, Cure, Lara and Blue.
Dean Cain was in Fierce.
Helen Slater was in Lara and Blue.
Christina Milian was in Action.

Actually, Dean Cain was in Cure. :cwink:

[AgentPat]

Okay? What I meant by "DVR not included" was that I wasn't posting those figures. The "Finals" are the numbers at the end of the day *before* DVR figures are added by the following week.

Or were you making another point? I'm confused. LOL

[AgentPat]

Actually, Dean Cain was in Cure. :cwink:LOL! I knew that. Why I typed Fierce, I have no idea. LOLOL!!!

I'll go back and edit it.

[avidreader]

LOL! I knew that. Why I typed Fierce, I have no idea. LOLOL!!!

I'll go back and edit it.

Its obvious, isnt it?? You loved that episode so much that it truly stands out in your mind. :cwink: :woot:

[triplet]

Okay? What I meant by "DVR not included" was that I wasn't posting those figures. The "Finals" are the numbers at the end of the day *before* DVR figures are added by the following week.

Or were you making another point? I'm confused. LOL

No, I was just saying those were the weeks I filled out the diary, I don't think I really had a point.

*shrug*

[Serene]

Here's the run-down so far...

Fast Nationals and Finals for S7 (DVR not included):

01. Bizarro 9/27 - 5.08 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 5.184M)
02. Kara 10/4 - 4.56 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 5 (Finals were 4.586M)
03. Fierce 10/11 - 4.75 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.819M)
04. Cure 10/18 - 5.06 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (Finals were 5.18M)
05. Action 10/25 - 4.50 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (Finals were 4.648M)
06. Lara 11/1 - 4.31 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (Finals were 4.383M)
07. Wrath 11/8 - 4.595 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.644M)
08. Blue 11/15 - 4.49 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (Finals were 4.513M)

LV was in Bizarro (teased), Kara, Fierce, Cure, Lara and Blue.
Dean Cain was in Cure.
Helen Slater was in Lara and Blue.
Christina Milian was in Action.

Edited due to idiocy. :p

Interesting numbers. Looking at the final numbers, it's really interesting to see that Cain brought in numbers equal to the PREMIERE. My thinking is that it's not so much "Cain" as what he represents - another Superman. Gee, people like Superman, can you imagine that? :p

The tough issue to speculate about is do people who don't normally tune in decide to watch one night because of the previous week's episode, or because of the advertising for that night's episode? Also, I guess you have to factor in that some episodes may just be unfortunately scheduled against some BIG competition in the same time slot - i.e. sports finals.

As an aside, my son was just home for holiday break and caught up on ALL the episodes he'd missed while he was away at school. I kept telling him how much he'd like Wrath, but you know which one he seemed to like the most? BLUE! LOL...I liked Blue too, especially after a second viewing, but no way was it my favorite.

Actually, I think he just likes any episode that Kara is in now. ;)

[Prison Mike]

judging by the numbers, it looks like kara is this year's lexana.

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 12/13/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.46 million, Fox: 8.25, NBC: 5.75, ABC: 5.63, CW: 3.52

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.9 rating/13 share, NBC: 2.7/ 7, Fox: 2.6/ 7, ABC: 1.9/ 5, CW: 1.4/ 4

----------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox), Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
30 Rock (NBC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
A night of all original programming led CBS to an easy Thursday victory, virtually doubling No. 2 Fox in total viewers with a first-place finish in every half hour. NBC held the No. 2 spot among adults 18-49, while repeat riddled ABC sunk to No. 4 in both total viewers and the demo. The CW was, of course, fifth.

CBS’ still addictive Survivor: China opened the evening with 14.47 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m., which was similar to Cooks Island on the year-ago evening. Don’t forget that the season finale airs this Sunday beginning at 8 p.m. ET. Fox was on the map care of older skewing Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #2, 8.97 million; A18-49: #3, 2.5/ 7), while a one-hour repeat edition of NBC’s Emmy winning The Office was third in total viewers (5.87 million) and second among adults 18-49 (2.7/ 8).

Capping off the 8 p.m. hour was a repeat of ABC’s Ugly Betty (Viewers: #4, 4.97 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4), which does not play well in repeats, and an original episode of the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.84 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4).

CBS mega-hit CSI (which does not get the recognition it deserves) scored a solid 19.79 million viewers and a 6.1/16 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. Fox sleeper Don’t Forget the Lyrics, which fits well out of Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? and is a vast improvement over year-ago occupant The O.C., was second in total viewers (7.53 million) and tied with NBC for No. 2 among adults 18-49 (2.7/ 7). NBC aired a 9 p.m. edition of 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 5.58 million; A18-49: #2, 2.8/ 7) and the first half-hour of a 90-minute Saturday Night Live Christmas repeat (Viewers: #4, 5.52 million; A18-49: #2t, 2.7/ 7). Elsewhere in the hour was a repeat of Grey’s Anatomy (Viewers: #3, 7.18 million; A18-49: #4, 2.6/ 7), another show that does not have much of an audience outside of originals, and a new installment of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.20 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3).

Without a Trace kept CBS’ large dominance alive at 10 p.m., with a healthy 15.13 million viewers and a 4.0/12 among adults 18-49. Second was the 10-11 p.m. portion of NBC’s Saturday Night Live Christmas encore (Viewers: 5.82 million; A18-49: 2.7/ 8), followed by a repeat of ABC’s Private Practice (Viewers: 4.75 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5). Overall, Saturday Night Live Christmas averaged 5.72 million viewers and a 2.7/ 8 among adults 18-49 from 9:30-11 p.m.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/89910029

[Prison Mike]

wow, smallville sucks in ratings.

[avidreader]

That viewership total compared to the rating share doesnt look right to me. :huh:

[Cmill216]

A bit of a nosedive for SV in comparison to "Blue".

But SPN's number were actually higher this week than for the last episode.

[jr24tw]

It really seems to pain CW to actually promote Smallville. A lot of people probably thought reruns were on. While Supernatural was promoted way more for airing a new episode, complete with radio announcements.

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow, smallville sucks in ratings.

actually its ratings have been quite good this season, this episode not withstanding. Gemini's ratings are what happens when you air one new episode in between 6 week blocks of repeats... Lexmas and Subterranean had similar figures in prior years. In season 1 - 4 the show used to go on break from the week before Thanksgiving until late January, at least now they break it up a little bit.

[Serene]

It really seems to pain CW to actually promote Smallville. A lot of people probably thought reruns were on. While Supernatural was promoted way more for airing a new episode, complete with radio announcements.

I wonder why the lack of promos, especially in this time of stike-induced reruns?

You'd think someone would have the idea of pimping the fact that SV was a NEW episode.

It seems to have done fairly par for the course, but it just seems like there was potential for it to have done better.

[Mikelus]

actually its ratings have been quite good this season, this episode not withstanding. Gemini's ratings are what happens when you air one new episode in between 6 week blocks of repeats... Lexmas and Subterranean had similar figures in prior years. In season 1 - 4 the show used to go on break from the week before Thanksgiving until late January, at least now they break it up a little bit.

Well said, although the CW could do a better job promoting the show.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Interested to see what the DVR numbers will look like this week. even if a lot of people forgot it was on, a lot of people set their DVR's to record all new eps of Smallville and that would now be sitting out there for all of them...

[avidreader]

Interested to see what the DVR numbers will look like this week. even if a lot of people forgot it was on, a lot of people set their DVR's to record all new eps of Smallville and that would now be sitting out there for all of them...

Hmmm.... good point. Reminds me, I must go check my DVR and make sure it recorded, its been misbehaving.

Earlier in the day I had to set Smallville to manually record on the DVR as it wasnt highlighted in the list. I just went and checked the DVR and even after setting it to record it didnt record as a new episode. Weird!

[AgentPat]

Interested to see what the DVR numbers will look like this week. even if a lot of people forgot it was on, a lot of people set their DVR's to record all new eps of Smallville and that would now be sitting out there for all of them...

Hmmm.... good point. Reminds me, I must go check my DVR and make sure it recorded, its been misbehaving.

Earlier in the day I had to set Smallville to manually record on the DVR as it wasnt highlighted in the list. I just went and checked the DVR and even after setting it to record it didnt record as a new episode. Weird!You're not the only one. Many people are reporting that their DVRs didn't recognize either Smallville or Supernatural as new episodes last night. Craig had this to say:

I think aside from the online bunch, no one realized SV would be new.

I agree with the comment that shows should be back to back. I'm speculating that might be what the CW does with the remaining six episodes when it finally comes back. (Sadly, I'm hearing "Feb. 7" now for a return - a week later than originally hoped)

The "three weeks holiday hiatus" episode has only done well once in my memory - for "Lexmas." I could be wrong; I'm sure someone has better data there.

Hopefully they'll re-air "Gemini" in the week preceding "Persona" so no one is lost.

[triplet]

You're not the only one. Many people are reporting that their DVRs didn't recognize either Smallville or Supernatural as new episodes last night. Craig had this to say:

My TiVO crapped out on me and only recorded part of SPN, I was pissed.

:mad:

And it's interesting that Craig seems to imply that there will only be the next 6 episodes...

Or is he just saying that in case if negotiations do go well, that any continuination of the season would necessarily be later, after these six are done?

:confused:

[AgentPat]

And it's interesting that Craig seems to imply that there will only be the next 6 episodes...

Or is he just saying that in case if negotiations do go well, that any continuination of the season would necessarily be later, after these six are done?I'm not following you? There's only six left, right? Or do you mean episodes after the strike ends? 'Cause I think the assumption is this is it for the season. I think Craig is assuming the strike will not end in time for them to finish the season properly. Sadly, he's probably right. I really don't think the strike is going to end any time soon. :(

[Whiteflag]

I knew the ratings would be lower this week. I went to peek at the K-site threads for Gemini during and after the episode aired and there was no one there, which is highly unusual; and that was not the only empty place. I think most people thought there would be a rerun.

[Whiteflag]

*Double post*

[triplet]

I'm not following you? There's only six left, right? Or do you mean episodes after the strike ends? 'Cause I think the assumption is this is it for the season. I think Craig is assuming the strike will not end in time for them to finish the season properly. Sadly, he's probably right. I really don't think the strike is going to end any time soon. :(

Well, I think offficially TPTB for Smallville are planning on trying to finish out the season if the strike is over in time, but from what Craig said there it sounds like hope is dimming for that possibility to happen...

That's all I'm saying.

I think that's the first time I'd seen him be even a bit pessimistic about it...

[AgentPat]

I knew the ratings would be lower this week. I went to peek at the K-site threads for Gemini during and after the episode aired and there was no one there, which is highly unusual; and that was not the only empty place. I think most people thought there would be a rerun.I noticed that here as well. It was pretty quiet on the boards last night.

Well, I think offficially TPTB for Smallville are planning on trying to finish out the season if the strike is over in time, but from what Craig said there it sounds like hope is dimming for that possibility to happen...

That's all I'm saying.Gotcha!

I think that's the first time I'd seen him be even a bit pessimistic about it...Yeah, it's a bummer. I guess he's just being a little more realistic about it too though.

[Captivated]

I told my boss (he was the fan that turned me on to SV) that I was excited to see a new episode... He didn't even know... and left work early to set his DVD recorder. :woot:

[triplet]

I noticed that here as well. It was pretty quiet on the boards last night.

You'd think with the cliff-hanger like that they woulda promoted it up the wazoo....

"Watch an all new Smallville Thursday!"

"AND DON'T Miss the Last 5 minutes! For Clark, it changes everything...."

etc, etc...

(or something to that effect)

I would have drawn people in that are loyal to the show.

It's perplexing they don't promote the middle of December episodes more, good episodes like this one and Lexmas deserve more of an audience and yet they generally get such bad ratings.

Sad.

:(

Gotcha!

Yeah, I guess I can make sense sometimes when I try hard enough...

;) :D

Yeah, it's a bummer. I guess he's just being a little more realistic about it too though.

Sad, but true.

:(

[AgentPat]

I told my boss (he was the fan that turned me on to SV) that I was excited to see a new episode... He didn't even know... and left work early to set his DVD recorder. :woot:I just watched the episode again tonight w/ hubby, who didn't get to see it last night. He's not a "fan," but he watches the show w/ me and has seen *every* episode multiple times. He could hold his own in a SV conversation, which is pretty funny for somebody who only watches the show because his wife watches the it, but I digress...

Hubby really liked Gemini and consequently, the "next episode" came up in conversation, which is rare. Normally, he doesn't give a squat LOL. He started talking in terms of "next week" and I said nuh uh... aint gonna be next week. He asked when and I told him not until February sometime. His response: "Oh, they're gonna lose people." Yeah, ya think? *sigh*

I get the reasoning for running repeats in December - everybody's off doing holiday shopping and attending office parties and whatnot - but after the holidaze are over, it makes more sense to me to run the eps together until they're done.

But nobody consulted me. :mad: ;)

You'd think with the cliff-hanger like that they woulda promoted it up the wazoo....

"Watch an all new Smallville Thursday!"

"AND DON'T Miss the Last 5 minutes! For Clark, it changes everything...."

etc, etc...

(or something to that effect)

I would have drawn people in that are loyal to the show.

It's perplexing they don't promote the middle of December episodes more, good episodes like this one and Lexmas deserve more of an audience and yet they generally get such bad ratings.It's an interesting little conundrum they have. "Do we promote a show in its seventh season that will be going out to pasture *real* soon, or do we put all of our advertising dollars into shows we want to become the new signature shows of our network?" It's a tough choice made even more complicated with the writer's strike, because the marketing emphasis right now is CW's reality programming going into the beginning of the new year. I think most if not all of the networks have given up hope on an early resolution to the strike and are now starting to dig in like German soldiers during WWI. "We're gonna be here for a while boyz; lets get comfy."

[AgentPat]

According to research contracted through Wired.com, the top ten most downloaded TV Shows of 2007 are...

1. "Heroes"
2. "Prison Break"
3. "Top Gear"
4. "Smallville"
5. "Desperate Housewives"
6. "House, M.D."
7. "Lost"
8. "Grey's Anatomy"
9. "24"
10. "Dexter"

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/12/YE_best_of_p2p

[The Incredible Hulk]

what the hell is 'Top Gear?"

[TWistim]

what the hell is 'Top Gear?"

LOL! I didn't recognize that one either.

[04nbod]

what the hell is 'Top Gear?"

top gear is a british show about cars. Its hilarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eiJkQzpzRc

[TWistim]

top gear is a british show about cars. Its hilarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eiJkQzpzRc


Thanks, no wonder I hadn't heard of it!

[Serene]

According to research contracted through Wired.com, the top ten most downloaded TV Shows of 2007 are...

1. "Heroes"
2. "Prison Break"
3. "Top Gear"
4. "Smallville"
5. "Desperate Housewives"
6. "House, M.D."
7. "Lost"
8. "Grey's Anatomy"
9. "24"
10. "Dexter"

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/12/YE_best_of_p2p

We're talking illegal (i.e. bit torrent) type downloads, right?

:ninja: Go Smallville! :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

it would have to be since you cant legally download Smallville anywhere

[triplet]

Well, well, well....

This is interesting.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i017145c042c6beda08d8d5010273010c

I hope it's not bad news for the Winchester boys:

CW launches new schedule 'experiment'
By Kimberly Nordyke

Jan 5, 2008

The CW is shaking up its schedule, relocating the Monday comedy block to Sundays and putting freshman dramas "Gossip Girl" and "Reaper" on new nights.

On the reality front, "Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious" is set to debut Feb. 18, airing Monday nights, while "Beauty and the Geek" will debut March 11, leading into "One Tree Hill" on Tuesdays.

"We are really trying to take advantage of admittedly a very changed schedule now because of the strike," said Kelly Kahl, senior executive vp program operations at CBS, who oversees scheduling for both CW and CBS. "With the strike, we have an interesting opportunity to experiment, and with the nice stability from our reality shows, we can get a look at how some of these (scripted) shows do in other time periods."

On Feb. 10, the Monday comedy block -- comprised of "Everybody Hates Chris," "Aliens in America," "Girlfriends" and "The Game" -- will move to Sunday nights, where it briefly aired when the CW launched in September 2006. It will displace freshman drama "Life Is Wild," which has aired its initial order.

"Our Sunday schedule has not been setting the world on fire," Kahl said. "The comedies have very loyal audiences, and we're going to give them a chance to thrive somewhere else. To be fair, we really never gave them a chance (on Sundays) the last time."


Starting Jan. 28, "Gossip Girl" will move from 9 p.m. Wednesday to anchor Monday nights at 8 p.m., leading in to "Pussycat Dolls." The move to Mondays will get "Gossip Girl," which has been getting a lot of buzz but has garnered only modest ratings, out of the path of Fox's "American Idol."

"We're trying to get it away from heavy competition and get it some sampling on Monday night because it's such an important show for the CW," Kahl said. "No one is expecting miracles, but it's all kind of additive at this point."

Meanwhile, "Reaper" will return at 8 p.m. Jan. 15 before moving to 9 p.m. Thursdays on Feb. 28, leading out of "Smallville." "Reaper," which had previously led out of "Beauty and the Geek," will replace "Supernatural," which is taking a break from the schedule.

"We're trying to give 'Reaper' a chance as well, moving it away from (Fox's) 'House' on Tuesday (at 9 p.m.) and seeing if we can find a bit more of a compatible lead-in in 'Smallville,' " Kahl said.

CW's dramas are running out of originals because of the writers strike. "Gossip Girl" has one new episode remaining before going into reruns, "Reaper" has three, and "Smallville" and "Supernatural" have several. Things look better on the comedy side, where "Chris" has completed its season and the other comedies have a number of episodes in the can.

"Pussycat Dolls" also will repeat on Wednesdays after "Top Model," which is returning for its 10th season with new judge Paulina Porizkova. The strategy worked well during the first season of "Pussycat Dolls."

"Putting the two numbers (from the first-run and repeat episodes) together made it a very strong show," Kahl said.

Still to come is dating competition series "Farmer Wants a Wife," which Kahl said will likely debut in May after the season finales of "Top Model" and "Pussycat Dolls."

CW's new midseason schedule:

Monday
8-9 p.m. "Gossip Girl" (Jan. 28)
9-10 p.m. "Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious" (Feb. 18)

Tuesday
8-9 p.m. "Reaper" (Jan. 15)
8-9 p.m. "Beauty and the Geek" (March 11)
9-10 p.m. "One Tree Hill"

Wednesday (Feb. 20)
8-10 p.m. "American's Next Top Model"
9-10 p.m. "Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious"*

Thursday
8-9 p.m. "Smallville"
9-10 p.m. "Reaper" (Feb. 28)

Friday
8-10 p.m. "WWE Friday Night SmackDown!"

Sunday (Feb. 10)
7-7:30 p.m. "CW Now"
7:30-8 p.m. "Everybody Hates Chris"*
8-8:30 p.m. "Everybody Hates Chris"
8:30-9 p.m. "Aliens in America"
9-9:30 p.m. "Girlfriends"
9:30-10 p.m. "The Game"

*Repeat

[AgentPat]

Well that IS interesting. Futon Critic says more info will be released by CW on Monday, but it looks to me like they want to use SV to bolster Reaper, knowing that SN is A-okay. I am surprised they aren't re-running the latter though. I don't think its ratings were bad - certainly not any poorer than GG, their new "signature show." But I guess we'll see what the official word is come Monday.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7531

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think they want to space out the new, remaining eps of SV and SN, their Thursday night heavy hitters. No sense on airing them together and using up all the new shows in 6 weeks and then getting clobbered on Thursdays until May when they can air SV for 6 weeks in February/March and then replace it with the final 6 episodes of SN for April/May.

I'd take this as another sign that there wont be more than 15 episodes of Smallville or Supernatural this season.

[triplet]

Well that IS interesting. Futon Critic says more info will be released by CW on Monday, but it looks to me like they want to use SV to bolster Reaper, knowing that SN is A-okay. I am surprised they aren't re-running the latter though. I don't think its ratings were bad - certainly not any poorer than GG, their new "signature show." But I guess we'll see what the official word is come Monday.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7531

Well, if they're starting reaper after SPN runs out of new eps, which might be why they're waiting to switch it to thursdays until the end of Feb, then it might not be bad for SPN at all...

If it gives new life to reaper, I like it although I only watch it when my kids do, I'd be all for it.

[AgentPat]

A poster over at PiFeedback pointed out that SN has 4 new eps left and Reaper has 3. The belief is that CW will run the remaining fresh eps of Reaper in its current Tuesday time slot for sweeps, and then move it to Thursdays for repeats. Everybody is scratching their heads about the fate of SN, however.

[Cmill216]

...Someone tie me down, because I'm about to go crazy. :dry:

[AgentPat]

...Someone tie me down, because I'm about to go crazy. :dry:JL forum crazy? Or SN crazy? LOL Could be both given the timing. ;)

[Serene]

...Someone tie me down, because I'm about to go crazy. :dry:

I just saw this and I was bummed too. I hope you guys are right though, and they are just saving the SPN eps for later as opposed to kicking it to the curb. :(

[AgentPat]

Here's Variety's report on CW's schedule changes:

Variety
1/4/08

'Gossip Girl' moves to Monday
'Pussycat Dolls ' returning for second season
By MICHAEL SCHNEIDER

OMG, The CW is moving "Gossip Girl" to Monday nights, for realz. Lol.

"Gossip Girl"- already a hit among the net's target Millennial crowd - will move to Mondays at 8 p.m. starting Jan. 28. Then, on Feb. 18, the show will be joined at 9 p.m. by the second season of "Pussycat Dolls Present."

This time out, the Pussycats are forming a new band, "Girlicious." (That's not a typo.)

Because of the writers strike, "Gossip Girl" will be in repeats this midseason. But by moving the show from Wednesdays, the netlet believes it can to expose it to a whole new audience on Mondays.

"I don't think anyone's expecting miracles in terms of running series repeats, but at the same point there's a unique opportunity to get some new eyeballs on it," says CBS scheduling topper Kelly Kahl, who also handles the C-Dub's lineup. "There's great buzz and a great reaction to 'Gossip Girl' - now we just want to grow the audience a bit. The Wednesday night competition is tough, and it will get tougher with 'American Idol' moving in."

The move is just one of several midseason shuffles the CW announced on Friday. On Tuesdays, netlet will replace repeats of "Crowned" at 8 p.m. with repeats of "Reaper" until March 11, when "Beauty and the Geek" returns. ("One Tree Hill" remains at 9 p.m.)

"America's Next Top Model" continues Wednesdays at 8 p.m., while repeats of the Monday "Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious" will run at 9 p.m. starting Feb. 20.

"We're employing a similar strategy to the last time we had 'Pussycat Dolls' on," Kahl said. "We aired an original earlier in the week, then a repeat behind 'Top Model.' The repeats did almost as well as the original. Add the audiences together, and that's a nice little number for the show."

On Thursdays, "Smallville" will continue at 8 p.m., while a handful of remaining original "Reaper" segs will run at 9 p.m. starting Feb. 28.

"We're giving 'Reaper' a few Thursday airings, which means for the first time a real compatible lead-in for the show, from 'Smallville,'" Kahl said.

Fridays remain the same with "WWE Smackdown." Then, on Sundays (starting Feb. 10), the CW will shift its Monday night urban-skewing comedy lineup.

That includes repeats of "Everybody Hates Chris" at 7:30 p.m. (following the "CW Now" pre-sold magazine show), and original segs of "Chris" (which had already completed its season when the strike began) at 8 p.m. "Aliens in America" will air at 8:30, followed by "Girlfriends" at 9 and "The Game" at 9:30.

When the CW originally launched in fall 2006, the urban comedies were slated for Sunday night. But after a disasterous launch, the net quickly moved the laffers back to Monday (where they aired on UPN). Kahl said he hoped auds would be more aware of the schedule shift this time around.

Not in the mix: "Supernatural," which goes on hiatus, but will return at some point; and family drama "Life is Wild," which isn't expected to return. On the reality side, "Crowned" ends its run at the start of February; other shows, including "Farmer Takes a Wife," are still waiting in the wings.

By running non-scripted skeins on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday nights (as well as some original fare on Thuesdays and Sundays), Kahl said he believed the net has crafted a schedule that flows well.


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978521

[rumpuso]

I think that show One Tree Hill went on hiatus last year too and is now coming back for a return run starting in January. It know it was retooled and is coming back "5-years later". Anyway, maybe the CW is planning the same type of hiatus for Supernatural. Maybe it'll return for back to back episodes next January after they fix it a bit. I know a lot of fans were irritated with the addition of the 2 new girls this season.

[Serene]

I think that show One Tree Hill went on hiatus last year too and is now coming back for a return run starting in January. It know it was retooled and is coming back "5-years later". Anyway, maybe the CW is planning the same type of hiatus for Supernatural. Maybe it'll return for back to back episodes next January after they fix it a bit. I know a lot of fans were irritated with the addition of the 2 new girls this season.

I hope you're right, rump.

I like both of the girls they added - which is just one more reason for me not to dive into SPN fandom. ;)

Good to see you, btw! Happy New Year to you. :)

[Cmill216]

JL forum crazy? Or SN crazy? LOL Could be both given the timing. ;)

The latter. I just don't understand the way they've treated the show. And this new development is just.....*wow*

[triplet]

The latter. I just don't understand the way they've treated the show. And this new development is just.....*wow*

It looks like people have fretted for nothing, the show will be back on the 31st according to Ausiello:

One other major CW programming note: any remaining new Reaper episodes (there are two, by Ausiello's count) will piggyback Smallville starting Feb. 28. But don't fret, Supernatural fans — a CW rep assures me the series will be back Jan. 31, as planned, to air three or four new episodes in a row.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Gossip-Girl-Moves/800030311

That's a relief, I was worried...

[jr24tw]

It's very true. CW has released several things that state Reaper will be on the SN timeslot starting Feb. 28. All the SN episodes left for this Season will be shown in a row while Smallville will already be airing repeats mid February.

Don't like that they put a show after Smallville that gets 10 times the promotion for one episode than Smallville got all Season. But Reaper will have to go against shows like Lost in that timeslot. So I'm really not that mad. Good for SN.

[mellyM]

It's very true. CW has released several things that state Reaper will be on the SN timeslot starting Feb. 28. All the SN episodes left for this Season will be shown in a row while Smallville will already be airing repeats mid February.

Don't like that they put a show after Smallville that gets 10 times the promotion for one episode than Smallville got all Season. But Reaper will have to go against shows like Lost in that timeslot. So I'm really not that mad. Good for SN.

Reaper is a new show and SV is in its 7th season, I think it makes sense it gets a lot more promotion. I'm still not going to watch it though:)

[AgentPat]

From Craig:

Remember this summer how much the CW was promoting Gossip Girl and not SV or Supernatural at all... yet, both of those shows outdid Gossip Girl.

I'd say there's no way we'll be getting a Season 9. Of course, I'm sure if people look back far enough, they'd find me saying "there will never be a Season 8."

I know when I'm going in to writing the Season 7 book I'm doing it with the assumption that there's another season after this one. Though I may ask some "what would you think if it was over" questions just in case.Well that's... kind of odd. I'm not sure if I should be reading any more into that post? :confused:

[avidreader]

From Craig:

Well that's... kind of odd. I'm not sure if I should be reading any more into that post? :confused:

What's odd about it????

:huh:

[AgentPat]

What's odd about it????

:huh:I dunno, it's like Craig is saying one thing but then turning around and suggesting something else. Is he hinting around at something or just rambling out various thoughts like any of us would? I can't tell.

I don't want to disassemble his post, but I kind of have to in this case. He starts out by saying SV and SN outdid GG in the ratings despite CW pouring tons of ad dollars into the latter. Okay. And? I could have told you that was going to happen last summer LOL. Of course, I would have just been speculating based on how completely dumb the show looked, but that's neither here nor there. What's Craig's point in stating the obvious? (I'm not busting on him.)

His next paragraph seems to address that very question. He jumps completely over S8 and suggests (I think?) that because SV is CW's ratings champ - apparently beating out even their darling GG - there could be a NINTH season of SV, even though his gut feeling (I guess?) tells him there won't be. He points out that if you look back far enough, you would find comments from him saying there'd never be a S8. (Hell, I didn't think there'd be a S6, never mind eight. LOL) It's like he's stepping outside the box of what he knows the producers have said ("S8 is IT!") and is looking at the ratings knowing that SV is one of the few shows that CW can actually count on - and do so by practically ignoring. Sure, it's expensive, but so was FRIENDS (think of the million plus salaries each of that cast got per episode.) If anything, SV is one of the few shows CW can basically guarantee their sponsors will get eyes. And that's worth something.

But wait! Craig flip flops what I thought was his point by saying he's going into writing his book with the assumption of an 8th season, but he's going to ask those that he interviews "what would you think if it was over," just in case. Just in case what? Just in case there isn't an eight season? Wait! Back up. Why wouldn't there be an eighth season when you just talked about how unsurprising it would be for CW to buy into a 9th?

I'm confused. LOL

Now lets factor in something that hasn't been addressed yet. This isn't related to Craig's post, but it's something I've been wondering for the last few days. The air sked for the remaining episodes has been posted, with the exception of one: the finale. Why is that? As of right now, they have not started shooting the 15th episode, but they will in about two weeks(ish). If something were to happen between now and then that would make THIS season the last (*cough* see rumors LOL), what is the possibility G&M have been sitting on a show finale script, possibly one that's two hours long (again, see rumors), and would use it if the poop hit the fan? CW would want to have a special slot for that ep, especially if it was longer than the standard hour format.

The brain: I can't shut it off when it comes to this sort of stuff. :(

[avidreader]

^^^ First off, LOL, not in a a derrogatory way, but just the thought process that you've put into all that. I'm impressed. :yay:

Secondly, I think Craig is just thinking out loud, and perhaps blowing his own trumpet a little bit, in that he is going to be in a position where he can ask the "what if" question. "Look I'm writing a book for the 7th Season and I get to talk to the cast." :cwink:

Thirdly, my speculation about the airdate for Veritas is that they want to be absolutely sure that it will be the season finale, i.e. the writers wont be returning to work, before they lock it into the schedule. If it is going to be the finale, then they may hold it back a few weeks, so that the summer hiatus isnt quite so long.

[JackMercy]

Now lets factor in something that hasn't been addressed yet. This isn't related to Craig's post, but it's something I've been wondering for the last few days. The air sked for the remaining episodes has been posted, with the exception of one: the finale. Why is that?

The brain: I can't shut it off when it comes to this sort of stuff. :(


\8/



:word:

[Serene]

\8/



:word:

Srsly, Jack. You're killin' me, dude.

:csad:

[AgentPat]

\8/



:word:BAHAHAHAHA!!!!

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/close.jpg




http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/nails.gif

[triplet]

Srsly, Jack. You're killin' me, dude.

:csad:

So quoted for truth it ain't even funny...

:(

[Mikelus]

Well that's... kind of odd. I'm not sure if I should be reading any more into that post? :confused:

You shouldn't, there's no way S7 is the last, they can't finish the series properly at this point, they need S8 to do so, unless the strike ends soon and we get the 22 episodes.

[NHawk19]

ok I've got 3 interpretations for Jack's double-entendre. Can someone help me wittle it down to the standard 2 . . . .or maybe one

[RakuMon]

What are your interpretations?

[triplet]

ok I've got 3 interpretations for Jack's double-entendre. Can someone help me wittle it down to the standard 2 . . . .or maybe one

I think my Jack Mercy post decoder ring is broken, I got nothin'...

:(

What are your interpretations?

I'd like to hear too.

[AgentPat]

You need at least two for it to work. :word:

http://www.espionageinfo.com/images/eeis_01_img0402.jpg



There's always more than one option folks.



(Stop laughing, Jack.) :mad: ;) :p

[triplet]

:confused:

If that was supposed to clear things up, I can tell you it didn't...

Am I being extra obtuse today or is this going over everyone's heads?

:confused:

[Serene]

:confused:

If that was supposed to clear things up, I can tell you it didn't...

Am I being extra obtuse today or is this going over everyone's heads?

:confused:

No, you're not being obtuse. Maybe Pat can decode for us a bit more.

My impression is that, we know \8/ stands for Tom as Supes - the question is, in what medium are we talking? Since the convo was about the finale not being scheduled yet, perhaps Jack is saying that he thinks the finale is going to be IT, and Tom will don the suit - end of story. Or maybe that's just a jumping point to other situations where he'll continue to wear that suit. :supes:

That's my best guess anyway. *shrug*

[JackMercy]

\8/








"...is the magic number..."


(Let's sing, everyone...)


;)

[AgentPat]

You guys are too funny.

"Eight." What's eight mean in context with SV? Huh? Huh? C'mon, I know y'all can do it. ;)

Hint: We're in season seven right now.



Enigma machines aint cheap y'know? :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

No, you dummies. Geez, so obvious some times........

Obviously what Jack is saying is that Tom Welling will be playing the Willie Ames role in the movie version of "Eight is Enough" DUH!

"There's a plate of homemade wishes on the kitchen window silllllll..........."


Apparently Welling is a big fan of the large family movie genre... :eek:

[triplet]

Well, if that was all that he was saying then why not say it?

It's not a big mystery, I mean they didn't really get to finish the 7th season and the rumor's been around for months that they'd do 8 if this ended up being a shortened season...

*sigh*

I love ya, Jack, but sometimes you make my head hurt.

;)

[zerohour films]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2145/jackmercycomicbz0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jackmercycomicbz0.jpg)

:woot:

[AgentPat]

No, you dummies. Geez, so obvious some times........

Obviously what Jack is saying is that Tom Welling will be playing the Willie Ames role in the movie version of "Eight is Enough" where ironically enough Tristan lake Lebeau will play 'Nicholas"

"There's a plate of homemade wishes on the kitchen window silllllll..........."


Apparently Welling is a big fan of the large family movie genre... :eek:LMAO!!


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/bonk2.gif


Well, if that was all that he was saying then why not say it?

It's not a big mystery, I mean they didn't really get to finish the 7th season and the rumor's been around for months that they'd do 8 if this ended up being a shortened season...

*sigh*

I love ya, Jack, but sometimes you make my head hurt.

;)Mmm... I think there may be a leeetle bit more going on, but my EM ran out of paper, and Staples is closed. So... tomorrow maybe. Yeah, maybe tomorrow.



http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif

[Serene]

Oh. Okay, so a season 8?

I guess that means no Tom as Supes on the big screen. Maybe?

*sigh* Whatever... I'll watch.

[avidreader]

edit

[triplet]

Hmm.....

*sigh*

I think my blonde roots are showing, but I think I got it now...

Okay, if the \8/ stands not just for season 8 of Smallville but for Tom in the suit and you combine that with Pat's obscure reference to tomorrow it's most likely the following:

The mystical, and alleged, cut-off date for Warner's to get all their ducks lined up in a row for officially "green lighting" the JLA film was supposed to be on the 15th. The inference being that Tom had better be signed by close of business tomorrow or the film ain't gonna happen.

However, Jack's posts are missing usual negative comments that's he's given before when we've had bad news, so maybe Pat's hoping we'll be hearing some good news tomorrow and Tom has something to keep himself occupied for a few months starting in about three weeks.

:confused:

Am I close?

[AgentPat]

Hmm.....

*sigh*

I think my blonde roots are showing, but I think I got it now...

Okay, if the \8/ stands not just for season 8 of Smallville but for Tom in the suit and you combine that with Pat's obscure reference to tomorrow it's most likely the following:

The mystical, and alleged, cut-off date for Warner's to get all their ducks lined up in a row for officially "green lighting" the JLA film was supposed to be on the 15th. The inference being that Tom had better be signed by close of business tomorrow or the film ain't gonna happen.

However, Jack's posts are missing usual negative comments that's he's given before when we've had bad news, so maybe Pat's hoping we'll be hearing some good news tomorrow and Tom has something to keep himself occupied for a few months starting in about three weeks.

:confused:

Am I close?Hah! Sounds good to me. I'm just playing along like everybody else. :D

Now I'm off to the S7 spoiler thread with a yummy tidbit. Sorry, Trip. :csad:

[triplet]

Hah! Sounds good to me. I'm just playing along like everybody else. :D

Well, I guess we'll find out eventually, it doesn't seem real that it would ever actually have a finite date and time...

If tomorrow comes and goes with no new word, I'll figure the world is still spinning on it's axis and the sun will rise Wednesday morning to the East like normal.

However, if we actually have good news, I think I'll have to check my pulse to make sure I haven't finally died and gone to heaven.

:ninja:

Now I'm off to the S7 spoiler thread with a yummy tidbit. Sorry, Trip. :csad:

All the action seems to be going on in the spoiler threads...

:(

Bummer, might be a sign that maybe I should go do the dishes or do some writing or something.

:(

[NHawk19]

What are your interpretations?

You guys got out of it what I did. These were my initial anyway.

1. the 8 in \8/ is the key meaning that he thinks S8 will happen.
2. the \8/ refers to TW and the increased size means he's getting a bump from mild mannered.
3 it's both and he wears the suit in S8.

But after Jack's last post I'm thinking that 2 is out for this season with possible exception to the finale

[Serene]

You guys got out of it what I did. These were my initial anyway.

1. the 8 in \8/ is the key meaning that he thinks S8 will happen.
2. the \8/ refers to TW and the increased size means he's getting a bump from mild mannered.
3 it's both and he wears the suit in S8.

But after Jack's last post I'm thinking that 2 is out for this season with possible exception to the finale

Good to see you around, Hawk. :)

[NHawk19]

Good to see you around, Hawk. :)


Thanks, I still read from time to time but I got a promotion last year and posting has been difficult.

[JackMercy]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2145/jackmercycomicbz0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jackmercycomicbz0.jpg)

:woot:

Cute.

Thanks for that, Zero.

:word:

[zerohour films]

Cute.

Thanks for that, Zero.

:word:

You're welcome. Anytime.

[AgentPat]

I know the schedule shift between Reaper and Supernatural was discussed, but I don't remember if there was ever a resolution to it. Well, now there is...

...There are four new episodes of Supernatural; after they air, Supernatural is giving up its time slot to Reaper as of Feb. 28. No further episodes of Supernatural, repeat or otherwise, are scheduled to air this season. Sam and Dean would agree: That's a bad omen.

If anyone was thinking that The CW secretly liked Supernatural and was just giving it a friendly breather, the network's unaccountable disdain for this excellent show is revealed in its explanation of the reshuffle: "We're giving Reaper a few Thursday airings," said CBS and The CW scheduler Kelly Kahl earlier this month, "which means for the first time a real compatible lead-in for the show, from Smallville."

It sounds like this means (a) they think Reaper is a better fit for Smallville than Supernatural, and (b) they're more excited about Reaper than either of these shows. Now, don't get me wrong: I like Reaper. But it doesn't need Smallville; if anything, a fresh new show with tons of buzz and a hip attitude should be on its own, not paired with a veteran slogging doggedly though a positively byzantine seventh season. Meanwhile this move leaves Supernatural with no good place on the schedule at all (what's it going to pair with, Gossip Girls?), which is obviously why they left it off – something they wouldn't do if they cared.

Time and time again, American TV networks create solid, high-quality science fiction and fantasy series, and then kill or bury them when they don't get the Grey's Anatomy-level ratings. Seriously, what's up with that? These shows generate serious fan loyalty almost every time at bat, which is more than you can say for some of the paint-by-numbers melodramas and CSI clones out there. In this case, we've got one genre show shoving out another, which is even more irritating...

http://scifi.about.com/b/2008/01/19/show-return-updates-supernatural.htm

[triplet]

Oh, that sucks... I like Reaper, but I love SPN.

:(

[jr24tw]

I don't get it. Reaper is a better pair for Smallville? Did I miss something? If anything when it comes to drama, suspense and maybe darkness Supernatural and Smallville are better off on one night.

I really hope that the next new episodes of Reaper just tank because of the tough competition in their timeslot. Because when competition gets tough it helps tremendously to have an established and loyal fanbase. Which SN has. Doubt that goes for Reaper too. I take Supernatural over Reaper any day of the week. As if I needed another reason to despise CW.

[avidreader]

I guess with the writer's strike no one is terribly interested in the ratings lately, but I found this news item at Ksite which warrants posting, and a little hooray!!

"Siren" Ratings Update
The CW was apparently pleased with the ratings improvement for Smallville over its previous week. Here's what they had to say about the show's gains in many target demographics:

"SMALLVILLE (1.8/5) achieved double-digit growth over last week among Persons and Males 18-34, 18-49 and 12-34 and Households (2.7/4, +13%), including a +24% gain in M18-34 (2.1/7). Plus, the drama ranked #2 in the competitive 8pm hour and #4 (tied) for the night overall with M18-34."

[Billy Batson]

IMHO, Reaper is a better fit for Supernatural than Smallville.

:huh:

[NHawk19]

What nobody is updating this?

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 2/14/08

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 11.24 million, ABC: 9.22, NBC: 9.09, Fox: 3.90, CW: 3.30

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 3.5 rating/10 share, CBS and NBC: 3.2/ 9 each, Fox and CW: 1.4/ 4 each

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Micronesia (CBS), Deal or No Deal (NBC), Lost (ABC)

-Fading Fast:
Smallville (CW)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
The 39th Annual NAACP Image Awards (Fox), Lipstick Jungle (NBC), Eli Stone (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was a night of split leadership on this third Thursday of the Feb. 2008 sweeps, with CBS the most watched network and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. The Eye net’s Survivor: Micronesia led the 8 p.m. hour, with 13.12 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49. But comparably that only managed to beat NBC’s competing Deal or No Deal (Viewers: #2, 12.04 million; A18-49: #2, 3.4/10) by 1.08 million viewers, and the year-ago edition set in Fiji averaged a healthier 16.08 million viewers and a 5.6/15 in the demo. Deal or No Deal, in fact, led the 8:30 p.m. half-hour in viewers. Take a look at the break down:

Survivor: Micronesia (CBS)
8:00 p.m. - Viewers: 12.98 million (#1), A18-49: 4.4/13 (#1)
8:30 p.m. - Viewers: 13.25 million (#2), A18-49: 4.6/13 (#1)

Deal or No Deal (NBC)
8:00 p.m. – Viewers: 10.63 million (#2), A18-49: 2.9/ 9 (#2)
8:30 p.m. – Viewers: 13.45 million (#1), A18-49: 3.9/11 (#2)

Also at 8 p.m. was a repeat of ABC’s Lost (Viewers: #3, 6.21 million; A18-49: #3, 2.0/ 6), which features ongoing text commentary at the bottom of the screen, The 39th Annual NAACP Image Awards on Fox (Viewers: #4, 3.90 million; A18-49: #4t, 1.4/ 4 from 8-10 p.m.) and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). Compared to the year-ago evening, this original edition of Smallville dipped by a hefty 1.07 million viewers (4.76 to 3.67 million) and 21 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.5/ 4). If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring.

ABC’s very confusing Lost won the 9 p.m. hour, with 13.62 million viewers and a 5.7/15 among adults 18-49. Also airing from 9-10 p.m. was a repeat of CBS’ CSI (Viewers: #2, 10.96 million; A18-49: #3, 2.9/ 8), NBC’s Celebrity Apprentice (Viewers: #3, 9.09 million; A18-49: #2, 3.7/10), the second half of the aforementioned 39th Annual NAACP Image Awards on Fox (Viewers: #4, 3.98 million; A18-49: #4, 1.4/ 4), and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.94 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). As for Celebrity Apprentice, no matter how obnoxious Piers Morgan is (and he is indeed no bargain), fame seeker Omarosa is considerably worse.

Tied for first at 10 p.m. was a repeat of CBS’ Without a Trace (Viewers: #1, 9.63 million; A18-49: #3, 2.3/ 7) and week three of quirky ABC drama Eli Stone (Viewers: #2, 7.82 million; A18-49: #1, 2.8/ 8). Week two of NBC Sex and the City-wannabe Lipstick Jungle dipped to 6.13 million viewers (#3) and a 2.5/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#2). Compared to one week earlier (Viewers: 7.54 million; A18-49: 2.9/ 8 on Feb. 7), Lipstick Jungle was down by 1.41 million viewers and 14 percent in the demo after its already disappointing start.

Retention for Lipstick Jungle out of Celebrity Apprentice was 67 percent in total viewers and 68 percent among adults 18-49; while Eli Stone out of Lost was just 57 percent in total viewers and 49 percent in the demo.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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I'll try to find some others later if I get time

Unfortunately we have to take the good with the bad right :(

[NHawk19]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 2/21/08

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 17.85 million, CBS: 12.19, ABC: 8.87, NBC: 6.09, CW: 2.90

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 6.6 rating/16 share, ABC: 3.4/ 8, CBS: 3.3/ 8, NBC: 2.5/ 8, CW: 1.2/ 3

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
American Idol (Fox), Lost (ABC), CSI R (CBS), Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox), Without a Trace R (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Survivor: Micronesia (CBS), Supernatural (CW)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Eli Stone (ABC), Lipstick Jungle (NBC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Thanks to a Thursday night edition of American Idol, Fox remained in the winner’s circle with a strong advantage over normally dominant ABC or CBS. The Eye net and ABC tied for the No. 2 spot (CBS was second in total viewers, ABC No. 2 among adults 18-49), with NBC fourth and the CW fifth.

The first live American Idol results show opened the evening with a hefty 23.17 million viewers and an 8.4 rating/21 share among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Comparably, that clobbered CBS’ still potent Survivor: Micronesia (Viewers: #2, 12.55 million; A18-49: #2, 4.0/10) by whopping 10.62 million viewers and 110 percent in the demo. If you are not watching this Micronesia edition, you are missing a truly addictive edition of the veteran franchise. As for American Idol, three of the four people I personally picked were eliminated: Joanne Borgella, Amy Davis and Garrett Haley. The fourth was Colton Berry, who nasty Simon told straight out that he had no future as a singer. Nice guy, isn’t he?

Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was an “enhanced” repeat of ABC’s Lost (Viewers: #3, 5.47 million; A18-49: #3t, 1.7/ 4), which features pop-up text commentary at the bottom of the screen, two repeat episodes of NBC’s My Name is Earl (Viewers: #4, avg. 4.47 million; A18-49: #3t, 1.7/ 4) and a repeat of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.57 million; A18-49: #5, 1.0/ 3) in place of the regularly scheduled Smallville.

ABC moved into the 9-10 p.m. winners circle care of Lost at a healthy 13.53 million viewers and a 5.7/13 among adults 18-49. Don’t forget: once original episodes of Grey’s Anatomy return, Lost moves to Thursday at 10 p.m. Second in the hour was Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Viewers: 12.52 million; A18-49: 4.8/11), which got a lift airing out of American Idol, of course.

Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour was a repeat of CBS’ CSI (Viewers: #3, 11.92 million; A18-49: #4, 3.1/ 7), NBC’s Celebrity Apprentice (Viewers: #4, 8.03 million; A18-49: #3, 3.2/ 8) and an original installment of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: 3.22 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Supernatural rose to its second largest audience of the season, and best among adults 18-34 (1.4 rating), women 18-34 (1.4) and men 18-34 (1.4).

A repeat of CBS’ Without a Trace led the 10 p.m. hour, with 12.09 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49 (actually building from the CSI encore by 170,000 viewers). Second was ABC’s Eli Stone (Viewers: 7.61 million; A18-49: 2.7/ 7), which lost more than half of the Lost audience in the demo, followed by NBC’s Lipstick Jungle at a very disappointing 5.78 million viewers and a 2.5/ 6 among adults 18-49. While the scenes of Manhattan are certainly appealing on Lipstick Jungle, the show itself tries too hard to be Sex and the City.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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These are last weeks

[KalKai]

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/02/24/top-timeshifted-broadcast-shows-jan-28-feb-3/2722

Persona

Smallville Has A 26.6% Increase Via DVR Viewing
For the week of Jan 28 - Feb 3, CW’s Smallville’s audience increased by 26.6% over the 3.43 million that watched it Live giving it a Live+7 audience of 4.34 million, again making it the leading broadcast show for % increase in viewing via DVR.

Rank: 1 - Programs: SMALLVILLE - Network: CW - Persons Live+7 (000): 4,340 - Persons Live (000): 3,429 - Timeshifed Audience (000s): 911 - % Increase Over Live: 26.6%

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/02/25/top-timeshifted-broadcast-shows-february-4-10/2753

Siren

Smallville had its audience increase by 26.1% over its Live airing placing it second for the week. Lost, Terminator: Sarah Connor Chroniclesand Las Vegas round out the largest % increase Top 5. Fox and CW tied for the most time-shifted shows on a % basis with 6 of the 20.

Rank: 2 - Programs: SMALLVILLE - Network: CW - Persons Live+7 (000): 4,528 - Persons Live (000): 3,590 - Timeshifed Audience (000s): 938 - % Increase Over Live: 26.1%

[The Incredible Hulk]

that's one of the issues with Smallville and CW is all to blame. With the writer's strike, the causal fan has no clue when the new episodes are airing because there's next to no marketing, so the live ratings dip. However, those people likely have the DVR's pre-programmed to record all new episodes so those figures jump up...

[NHawk19]

^^I would tend to agree with you Hulk. I would never know when the new ones are on if it wasnt for this place

[RakuMon]

This thread hasn't been updated in a while:

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/706107511

Smallville on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.49 million; A18-49: #4, 1.4/ 4).
repeat of the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 2.10 million; A18-49: #5, 0.8/ 2).

[triplet]

Intesting stat:

Smallville is in the top ten of time shifted shows, it gets a 30% increase over the ratings for live broadcast:

1 OFFICE NBC 9,520 6,743 2,777 41.2%
2 REAPER CW 2,625 1,887 738 39.1%
3 BEAUTY AND THE GEEK CW 1,901 1,388 513 37.0%
4 GOSSIP GIRL CW 3,158 2,319 839 36.2%
5 LOST ABC 13,102 9,764 3,338 34.2%
6 SMALLVILLE CW 4,521 3,471 1,050 30.3%
7 GREY’S ANATOMY ABC 17,744 13,688 4,056 29.6%
8 ONE TREE HILL CW 3,127 2,418 709 29.3%
9 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL CW 5,170 4,056 1,114 27.5%
10 HOUSE FOX 16,997 13,443 3,554 26.4%
11 BONES FOX 10,741 8,645 2,096 24.2%
12 GHOST WHISPERER CBS 9,462 7,756 1,706 22.0%
13 SUPERNATURAL CW 3,428 2,814 614 21.8%
14 UGLY BETTY ABC 9,369 7,719 1,650 21.4%
15 MEDIUM NBC 9,811 8,092 1,719 21.2%
16 AMERICAN IDOL-TUE FOX 26,029 21,520 4,509 21.0%
17 DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES ABC 18,349 15,314 3,035 19.8%
18 NUMB3RS CBS 11,054 9,231 1,823 19.7%
19 CRIMINAL MINDS CBS 14,535 12,174 2,361 19.4%
20 MY NAME IS EARL NBC 7,853 6,584 1,269 19.3%

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/05/office-again-tops-broadcast-shows-w-412-time-shifting-gain/4035

It did better than shows that get a lot more viewers.

[NHawk19]

^^Even more interesting CW makes up almost half of that list.

guess that means people are watching CW just not when they are supposed to.

[triplet]

^^Even more interesting CW makes up almost half of that list.

guess that means people are watching CW just not when they are supposed to.

Can you imagine how much worse the ratings would be if they didn't do the recorded views?

Yikes... It's bad enough already.

[NHawk19]

Can you imagine how much worse the ratings would be if they didn't do the recorded views?

Yikes... It's bad enough already.

I dont want to think about it. . . .

That said I wonder what's in store for the major nets as people continue to alter their viewing habits and the quality of cable programs continues to rise. Right now I think we would be safe to assume that since CW targets teens-20 somethings and they are the more tech savvy that they are also the ones DVRing everything. As their tastes in TV changes while their love of tech stays the same I wonder what will be in store for the major nets.

[RakuMon]

Last night's results:

The CW season premiere of Smallville led off with 4.383 million viewers and a 1.8/6 in both demo categories. It was down around 14% versus last year’s season premiere (9/27/07) of 5.08 million viewers, but only down about 5% among 18-49 year olds where last year it had a 1.9.

The drop in viewers for Smallville was offset somewhat by the gain in viewers for the premiere of one of my favorite shows, Supernatural which averaged 3.956 million viewer from 9p-10p and a 1.7/5 among 18-49 year olds. Last year’s season premiere on 10/4/07 had of 2.97 million viewers and an 18-49 rating of 1.2, so the gains in viewers are ~33% versus last year and ~42% among 18-49 year olds. Way to go Supernatural!

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/19/thursday-september-18-flashpoint-nightmares-and-supernatural-score/5193

[Cmill216]

Holy hell @ the Supernatural numbers! :eek:

That's amazing.

[The Incredible Hulk]

as someone who buys ad time for a living I can tell you that the 18-49 # is really the more important of the two since thats where the disposable income resides. Smallville is virtually unchanged (1.9 to 1.8) but Supernatural had a pretty impressive jump.

One thing to take into account as well is that baseball season is still in full swing (pun-tacular!) so in a few markets where the CW is a sports affiliate, the show's didnt air until later in the night. Chicago, being a big one.

I'm also interested to see what the DVR figures look like when they come in a week or so. Considering the way The CW promotes Smallville, many people may not have realized it was even starting again and found a present in their "recorded shows" this morning....

[Prison Mike]

horray for Supernatural, boo for Smallville.

[O'Haire]

I think Supernatural is the better of the two shows. So it makes me really happy it's ratings have gone up. I hope it stays that way.

[Migu-EL]

I think Supernatural is the better of the two shows. So it makes me really happy it's ratings have gone up. I hope it stays that way.

BOO!!!:oldrazz: j/k

[maveholic31]

they did pretty well considering the lack of promotion compared to past seasons.

[Mig-El]

So which CW show has the highest ratings so far?

[Docker2.0]

As a fan of both Smallville and Supernatural, I'm happy that they both did ok. I'm really hoping that both shows beat out Gossip Girl and 90210 in the next couple of weeks. Becuase if they don't, I'm not sure how long Dawn will keep them on.

[The Incredible Hulk]

As a fan of both Smallville and Supernatural, I'm happy that they both did ok. I'm really hoping that both shows beat out Gossip Girl and 90210 in the next couple of weeks. Becuase if they don't, I'm not sure how long Dawn will keep them on.

90210 has been getting kicked in the teeth since it's premiere with a little over 3 million viewers the past two weeks (the premiere had almost double that). If that keeps up I'm not sure how many network decisions Dawn will still be making...

[Serene]

I just posted about Odyssey being #3 at iTunes right now, but that has me wondering what, if any, affect that has on overall ratings? Are iTunes downloads factored in, or just looked at as another piece in the puzzle?

Anyone?...Bueller?

[triplet]

I just posted about Odyssey being #3 at iTunes right now, but that has me wondering what, if any, affect that has on overall ratings? Are iTunes downloads factored in, or just looked at as another piece in the puzzle?

Anyone?...Bueller?

It doesn't affect ratings, just another data point of how popular the show is despite the relatively low ratings...

[Tomwelling4sups]

CW already has its diehard teeniebopper drama show: OTH. They need to start thinking outside the box and stop tossing in the same rehashed teen stuff. Gossip girl...90210...ugh

[The Chris]

CW already has its diehard teeniebopper drama show: OTH. They need to start thinking outside the box and stop tossing in the same rehashed teen stuff. Gossip girl...90210...ugh

Which is funny considering Gossip girl's ratings aren't really all that good.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ratings 9/25/08


Against real competition, Kitchen Nightmares just got crushed in both hours, shedding almost a third of its viewers and demo adults from last week. Compared to that carnage, Smallville’s loss of only 6% of its viewers and a tick in each demo (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/19/thursday-september-18-flashpoint-nightmares-and-supernatural-score/5193) seems positively heroic. Supernatural, on the other hand, lost 18% of its viewers and about a quarter of its demo adults from last week (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/19/thursday-september-18-flashpoint-nightmares-and-supernatural-score/5193).

Time Net Show Viewers Live+SD (Millons) 18-49 Rating/ Share 18-34 Rating/ Share
8:00
CBS Survivor: Gabon (8-10p) (premiere) 13.052 4.5/13 2.8/9 ABC Ugly Betty (premiere) 9.775 3.3/9 3.5/11 NBC My Name is Earl (premiere) 6.398 2.7/8 2.6/8 FOX Kitchen Nightmares 4.177 1.9/5 1.9/6 CW Smallville 4.104 1.7/5 1.7/5


http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/26/thursday-september-25-greys-anatomy-boosts-abc/5332

not too shabby, still north of 4 million. SN didnt fare as well unfortunately

[NHawk19]

Beat me to it Hulk but check this out

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Down But Far From Out:
Survivor: Gabon (CBS), Ugly Betty (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):

My Name is Earl (NBC), Kitchen Nightmares (Fox), ER (NBC)


----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC won this first Thursday of the 2008-09 season with ease, beating second-place CBS by a hefty 32 percent in the overnights. Keep in mind, however, that CBS aired a repeat of CSI at 10 p.m. last night. In the distant number three spot was NBC, followed by Fox and the CW.


The two-hour season-opening edition of CBS’ Survivor: Gabon kicked-off at a depressed 7.5 rating/12 share from 8-10 p.m., with the half-hour breakdown as follows:


Survivor: Gabon (CBS) – season premiere
8:00 p.m. 7.6/12 (#1)
8:30 p.m. 7.8/12 (#1)
9:00 p.m. 7.4/11 (#2)
9:30 p.m. 7.3/11 (#2)

One year earlier, Survivor: China opened with an 8.7/14 in the overnights on Thursday, Sept. 20, 2007. And the year before that was Survivor: Cook Islands at a 10.2/16 on Sept. 21, 2006. So, yes, Survivor is down…but not out by any means. Keep in mind that Survivor will easily win the 8 p.m. hour among adults 18-49.


Survivor: Gabon led into a repeat of CSI at a second-place 6.8/11 at 10 p.m. -- 15 percent ahead of the season-premiere of NBC’s veteran ER (5.9/10). Comparably, ER declined by a considerable 20 percent from it’s year-ago season-opener on Sept. 27, 2007 (7.4/12). While ER is, of course, ending this season, it probably should have concluded three or four years ago.


Earlier in the evening on NBC was the one-hour season premieres of My Name is Earl (#3: 4.3/ 7 from 8-9 p-.m.), which was down by 23 percent year-to-year, and The Office (#3: 5.8/ 9 from 9-10 p.m.), which actually increased by four percent. Worth noting for The Office was growth of 29 percent from the second half of My Name is Earl. And keep in mind, of course, that The Office always manages to generate solid interest among the key young adult demographics. As for My Name is Earl, I just don’t get it. Do you?


The third season-premiere of ABC’s Ugly Betty finished second in the 8 p.m. hour, with a 6.7/11 in the overnights. Comparably, that was down by 18 percent from it’s year-ago season-opener (8.2/13 on Sept. 27, 2007). Ugly Betty led into the two-hour season-premiere of Grey’s Anatomy, which won the 9-11 p.m. block with an 11.0/17 in the overnights -- the highest rated show of the evening. As good as that still it, Grey’s was down by 13 percent from the 12.6/19 it opened in the overnights with one year earlier. And that was opposite an original installment of CSI. Here is the half-hour breakdown:


Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
9:00 p.m. 10.8/16 (#1)

9:30 p.m. 11.1/17 (#1)

10:00 p.m. 11.0/17 (#1)
10:30 p.m. 11.0/17 (#1)

Two episodes of Fox’s Kitchen Nightmares could not compete, with an average 3.2/ 5 in the overnights from 8-10 p.m. And original episodes of the CW’s Smallville (#5: 2.8/ 4) and Supernatural (#5: 2.5/ 4) were close to week-ago levels. Considering the severity of the competition this week, that is not a bad thing. As a reminder, Smallville is not ending in midseason as I reported on my Fall TV Preview webcast earlier this week. It could, in fact, return for a ninth season if the audience stays with the show. Are you game, folks?


As a reminder, there is a LIVE chat today at 12 p.m. ET at PIFeedback on everything TV! Click www.PIFeedback.com, then Go (top left), Chat Rooms and TV Talk


Source: Nielsen Media Research data

[AgentPat]

Half hour breakdowns from Marc Berman at PiFeedback:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.97 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.24 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.20 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.28 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3



EDIT:

Gabriela in the Pifeedback forums posted the finals from last week as well. Look!

1 SMALLVILLE P 4,344
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 4,262
3 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4,083
4 SUPERNATURAL P 3,955
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON 3,732
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON 3,369
7 90210 3,288
8 PRIVILEGED 2,432
9 90210-ENC R 1,923
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R 1,553
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC R 1,178
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC R 1,098

Wow. :)

[Brainiac 8]

See those numbers CW...start putting your major money and backing behind the real powerhouse show...not your lame-o soapy copycat shows. :cmad:

[Zing79]

Half hour breakdowns from Marc Berman at PiFeedback:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.97 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.24 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.20 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.28 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3



EDIT:

Gabriela in the Pifeedback forums posted the finals from last week as well. Look!

1 SMALLVILLE P 4,344
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 4,262
3 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4,083
4 SUPERNATURAL P 3,955
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON 3,732
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON 3,369
7 90210 3,288
8 PRIVILEGED 2,432
9 90210-ENC R 1,923
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R 1,553
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC R 1,178
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC R 1,098

Wow. :)
This show is just f'n unbelievable. It's audience is so loyal.

You can almost set a clock to the number of viewers watching it week in week out. If any other show on any other network saw as little promotion as Smallville does it would slowly die a ratings death.

It's really sad that I can name the top shows on NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX based on the way they promote them. With CW you'd think Gossip Girl, 90210 and ANTM were number one.

To further confuse the situation for me; it's not as if Smallville is #1 in categories that don't generate ad revenues. Smallville is #1 in overall viewers on CW, and it beats the tar out of most shows (on any network) in the key demo's.

This has to be case of serious hubris. With some exec at CW just determined to shove stuff down people's throats instead of using their top money maker to generate even more revenue.

[Migu-EL]

LOL @ 90210 being 7th after all that hype during the summer.:grin:

[Migu-EL]

Imagine if Smallville was on NBC or Fox.

[Brainiac 8]

LOL @ 90210 being 7th after all that hype during the summer.:grin:


The problem with the CW is they seem to feel that all they need to do to stay afloat is keep putting on shows about rich people doing bad things.

I mean 90210, privileged, and Gossip Girl are practically the same show with different characters. A person could turn on any of them and think it was one of the other shows. I mean ARRGH! :down

[Migu-EL]

The problem with the CW is they seem to feel that all they need to do to stay afloat is keep putting on shows about rich people doing bad things.

I mean 90210, privileged, and Gossip Girl are practically the same show with different characters. A person could turn on any of them and think it was one of the other shows. I mean ARRGH! :down

LOL..Yeah I don't get it. I have yet to watch one episode. And to think the CW gives us those shows instead of a Green Arrow spin off.:down

[Brainiac 8]

Yea, to be fair, if it was still the WB, we would have an Aquaman show to enjoy (assuming it was good) but it was the merger that axed it.

But I'm actually glad they didn't go through with it, since then we got Green Arrow and the Justice League. Green Arrow being one of my favorite additions to the Smallville universe. :up:

[Migu-EL]

Yea, to be fair, if it was still the WB, we would have an Aquaman show to enjoy (assuming it was good) but it was the merger that axed it.

But I'm actually glad they didn't go through with it, since then we got Green Arrow and the Justice League. Green Arrow being one of my favorite additions to the Smallville universe. :up:

Yeah I guess in hindsight everything worked out. I think Hartley is an awesome Green Arrow. Hopefully when the show is over we can get some sort of spin-off.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL @ 90210 being 7th after all that hype during the summer.:grin:

go out to Monster.com and see if u can find Ostroff's resume...

Imagine if Smallville was on NBC or Fox.

It almost was on NBC. They wanted it BADLY, but WB kept it to themselves. They also stole TW right out from under Fox's nose too. Fox loved him on "Undeclared" and wanted to ink him to another skein at the time AL & Miles came in and offered him Smallville.

[Migu-EL]

go out to Monster.com and see if u can find Ostroff's resume...



It almost was on NBC. They wanted it BADLY, but WB kept it to themselves. They also stole TW right out from under Fox's nose too. Fox loved him on "Undeclared" and wanted to ink him to another skein at the time AL & Miles came in and offered him Smallville.

Yeah I heard that NBC wanted to buy Smallville. That would have been interesting. Never knew that Fox wanted to sign Welling though.

[Zorex]

Crazy to think what Smallville may have been like on NBC.

[Webhead2006]

Good to hear smallville stay above 4million viewers. Also good to see its still the number 1 scripted drama show on the network. To bad stupid Dawn O is all for the crap woman demo stuff. As for a jla/ga solo spinoff is less likely to happen while Dawn O is in charge. And yea if smallville was on nbc/cbs/even fox or abc man ratings probably would be in the 10-20million range.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Crazy to think what Smallville may have been like on NBC.

they would've likely had some more budget to play with, then again on that Net 4-5 million viewers doesnt cut it.

or it could've been turned into some lame combination of Friday Night Lights and Heroes. *shudders*

Good to hear smallville stay above 4million viewers. Also good to see its still the number 1 scripted drama show on the network. To bad stupid Dawn O is all for the crap woman demo stuff. As for a jla/ga solo spinoff is less likely to happen while Dawn O is in charge. And yea if smallville was on nbc/cbs/even fox or abc man ratings probably would be in the 10-20million range.

actually her boss Les Moonves was the one who allegedly put the kibosh on the Aquaman series, saying he "didnt want any more Superhero shows," meanwhile the Sci Fi shows on the Network are the ones saving his ass from complete and total failure.

[Serene]

or it could've been turned into some lame combination of Friday Night Lights and Heroes. *shudders*

You are not bashing on my 2nd TV love, FNL, are you Hulk?
'Cause, I'd have to take you down if you are. I'm a lot tougher than I look too.

:ninja::oldrazz:

[Docker2.0]

Half hour breakdowns from Marc Berman at PiFeedback:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.97 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.24 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.20 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.28 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3



EDIT:

Gabriela in the Pifeedback forums posted the finals from last week as well. Look!

1 SMALLVILLE P 4,344
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 4,262
3 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4,083
4 SUPERNATURAL P 3,955
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON 3,732
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON 3,369
7 90210 3,288
8 PRIVILEGED 2,432
9 90210-ENC R 1,923
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R 1,553
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC R 1,178
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC R 1,098

Wow. :)

Didn't CW cancel Smackdown? That is their 3rd highest rated show of the season and they canned it! :huh: It seems like all the shows that Dawn wanted to succeed(90210, GG, Privaleged) didn't do to hot, but the ones she didn't care about(Smallville, Supernatural, Smackdown)all did great. All of them just happen to start with an S to. :huh:

[Lighthouse]

Being that this is the last season for Smallville, isn't following ratings kind of pointless now? I'm not saying its stupid to follow it, but whenever I followed any ratings, it was for the sole purpose of the show being renewed. Now that its not really an issue anymore, is there really any point to it?

[AgentPat]

Being that this is the last season for Smallville, isn't following ratings kind of pointless now? I'm not saying its stupid to follow it, but whenever I followed any ratings, it was for the sole purpose of the show being renewed. Now that its not really an issue anymore, is there really any point to it?Yes, because the show's producers and some of its cast keep talking about a 9th season. Even Marc Berman of Media Week noted that possibility today:

...As a reminder, Smallville is not ending in midseason as I reported on my Fall TV Preview webcast earlier this week. It could, in fact, return for a ninth season if the audience stays with the show.
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i6d1955ff988810b8798daf1fe1c38132

[AgentPat]

Upon further review of Berman's PiFeedback forum, it appears the network doesn't want it to end at seven. Dawn Ostroff called Berman personally to inform him of such. It's all in the forums there. Even Craig from K-Site posted a few comments.

What a revelation. Season nine? Wow. Just wow... :wow:

[heliorei]

Half hour breakdowns from Marc Berman at PiFeedback:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.97 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.24 million, A18-49: 1.8/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.20 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.28 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3



EDIT:

Gabriela in the Pifeedback forums posted the finals from last week as well. Look!

1 SMALLVILLE P 4,344
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 4,262
3 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN 4,083
4 SUPERNATURAL P 3,955
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON 3,732
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON 3,369
7 90210 3,288
8 PRIVILEGED 2,432
9 90210-ENC R 1,923
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R 1,553
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC R 1,178
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC R 1,098

Wow. :)

It still doesn't count the Tivo numbers right?

It's incredible of Smallville being CW's number 1 show. #1 OF.ALL.CW's. SHOWS.

And being in its eight season. :cwink:

[Webhead2006]

It has been the number one scripted drama show on the network since it started on cw in season 6.

[Serene]

Upon further review of Berman's PiFeedback forum, it appears the network doesn't want it to end at seven. Dawn Ostroff called Berman personally to inform him of such. It's all in the forums there. Even Craig from K-Site posted a few comments.

What a revelation. Season nine? Wow. Just wow... :wow:

Interesting stuff, Pat. :up:

As much as I love SV, I really am ready for them to wrap it up this season. This potential of a 9th season is like a dangling carrot for TPTB to drag the story out longer than it should be as opposed to giving us a fantastic final season.

And there is absolutely NO WAY they should even consider continuing this show without Tom Welling on board at Clark.

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/02/08

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 11.15 million, ABC: 10.25, NBC: 9.45, Fox: 3.95, CW: 3.76

-Adults 18-49:
NBC: 3.7 rating/9 share, CBS: 3.5/ 9, ABC: 3.3/ 8, Fox: 1.6/ 4, CW: 1.5/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Gabon (CBS), The Vice Presidential Debate, which totaled a hefty (and approximate) 33.99 million viewers and an 11.7 rating/27 share on ABC, CBS, NBC from 9-10:30 p.m.

-Continues to Lose Steam:
Smallville (CW)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Ugly Betty (ABC), My Name is Earl (NBC), Hole in the Wall (Fox)

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 20 percent at this same point last year to approximately 28 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS and NBC shared leadership on this atypical second Thursday of the 2008-09 season, with CBS the most-watched network (900,000 viewers ahead of second-place ABC) and NBC No. 1 among adults 18-49 (six percent above second-place CBS). The big news last night, of course, was the vice presidential debate between Democratic nominee Joe Biden and Republican nominee Sarah Palin.

CBS’ veteran Survivor: Gabon opened the evening with a still dominant 12.85 million viewers and a 4.3 eating/12 share from 8-9 p.m. But one year earlier, Survivor: China was stronger at 14.14 million viewers and a 4.5/13 in the demo. Tied for second in the hour were ABC’s Ugly Betty and two episodes of NBC’s My Name is Earl as follows:

Thursday 8 p.m.
Ugly Betty (ABC)
Viewers: 8.58 million (#2), A18-49: 2.6/ 7 (#3)

My Name is Earl (NBC)
Viewers: 7.01 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#3)

Compared to the year-ago evening, Ugly Betty dipped by 1.32 million viewers (9.90 to 8.58 million) and 24 percent among adults 18-49 (3.4/10 to 2.6/ 7). My Name is Earl, meanwhile, slipped by 970,000 viewers (7.98 to 7.01 million) and 21 percent in the demo (3.3/10 to 2.6/ 7). That is significant for both.

Rounding off the 8-9 p.m. hour were the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5: 3.95 million; A18-49: #4: 1.6/ 4), which dipped year-to-year by 640,000 viewers (4.59 to 3.95 million) and 16 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.6/ 4), and two episodes of Fox’s ludicrous Hole in the Wall (Viewers: #5, avg. 3.54 million; A18-49: #5, avg. 1.5/ 4). I smell a new addition for Mr. TV’s annual TV Turkeys column, don’t you?

Each of the Big 3 networks were on the map courtesy of coverage of Joe Biden vs. Sarah Palin from 9-10:30 p.m. Keeping in mind that results for any live event are always approximate, here are the results:

Vice Presidential Debate: 9-10:30 p.m.
ABC – Viewers: 11.58 million (#1), A18-49: 3.9/ 9 (#2)
NBC – Viewers: 11.32 million (#2), A18-49: 4.4/10 (#1)
CBS – Viewers: 11.09 million (#3), A18-49: 3.4/ 8 (#3)

Fox, meanwhile, averaged 4.37 million viewers and a 1.8/ 4 in the demo from 9-10 p.m.

The CW stuck with its regularly scheduled Supernatural, which scored 3.57 million viewers and a 1.5/ 3 among adults 18-49, with retention out of Smallville of 90 percent in total viewers and 83 percent in the demo.

The half-hour analysis on The Big performed as follows in the overnights at 10:30 p.m.

Vice Presidential Debate Analysis – 10:30 p.m.
ABC – Viewers: 9.23 million (#1), A18-49: 3.0/ 8 (#2)
NBC – Viewers: 8.75 million (#2), A18-49: 3.3/ 8 (#1)
CBS - Viewers: 7.91 million (#3), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#3)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/375107461

[Cmill216]

Ouchies. Not a very good hold for Smallville dropping below 4 million.

Amazing for Supernatural to go up 300,000 while facing the VP Debate.

[Migu-EL]

I wonder if Major League Baseball's playoffs had anything to do with Smallville's low numbers?

[Brainiac 8]

Which if that is the case Tivo numbers should be up.

[Migu-EL]

Yeah, I still gotta watch last nights episode that's on my DVR. Unfortunately I had to watch the Phillies destroy Sabathia and my Brewers in the 2nd inning.:csad:

[mellyM]

I wonder if Major League Baseball's playoffs had anything to do with Smallville's low numbers?

Maybe, I know a couple of people who said they weren't watching because they thought it was all about Oliver, so who knows the reason.

[Migu-EL]

^^^I forgot, that also could have been a reason that not as many people watched?

[The Incredible Hulk]

I wonder if Major League Baseball's playoffs had anything to do with Smallville's low numbers?


It's quite possible. You had some large TV markets in Philly, LA, and Chicago, involved in games that aired during the time SV was on. Smallville also shares its main target demo (18-49 males) with MLB so its quite possible. I'd be interested to see what the DVR figures looked like for last night...

[Mikelus]

No one should be surprised if ratings go down a bit, any show after 8 years (plus losing key characters) would. I expected ratings to be around 4 million or less, gone are the 5 million of "Bizarro" and "Cure". With a S9 they're risking losing even more, so maybe this will make them end the show this season. Hope Tom Welling is smart enough to realize this and decides to move on.

[heliorei]

Ouchies. Not a very good hold for Smallville dropping below 4 million.

Amazing for Supernatural to go up 300,000 while facing the VP Debate.


Well, I've been checking out the ratings of other scripted shows and this year, the rule is everyone is getting lower ratings with a few exceptions: Supernatural is one of them.

House M.D is losing two to three million viewers. Termiantor: The sarah Connor Chronicles lost 3 to 4 million, just to name a few. The new shows haven't a massive success: for example Fringe which was supposed to be the new massive success, is getting 9-11 million on Fox when the network was expecting a 14-16 million viewers. Talking about letdowns...

Smallville lost a little yes, but I'm betting it still is the number one scripted show at Cw this week and Cw still needs this show.

Besides, people talked about baseball night and so I'm betting it lost some viewers.

[Webhead2006]

hey i was wondering if any one got the ratings for the 8-9pm friday cw shows and smackdown ratings over at mynetwork?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Back up over 4 million this week even going up against the MLB playoffs :up:


Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/09/08

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 15.96 million, ABC: 11.54, NBC: 8.80, Fox: 6.54, CW: 3.61

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.9 rating/13 share, ABC: 4.0/10, NBC: 3.9/10, Fox: 2.1/ 5, CW: 1.5/ 4

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Gabon (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), SNL Weekend Update (NBC)

-Solid Sampling:
Life on Mars (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
My Name is Earl (NBC), Eleventh Hour (CBS)

----------

Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 20 percent at this same point last year to approximately 28 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS led this third Thursday of the new season, with a first-place finish in both total viewers and adults 18-49. Second in both categories was ABC, followed by NBC, Fox and the CW. Last night featured three series premieres – NBC’s Kath & Kim, CBS’ Eleventh Hour and ABC’s Life on Mars.

CBS’ Survivor: Gabon was down, but far from out with a still dominant 13.31 million viewers and a 4.3 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. One year earlier, Survivor: China averaged 14.22 million viewers and a 4.6/13 in the demo. Tied for the No. 2 and 3 spots after Survivor was ABC’s Ugly Betty and NBC’s combination of My Name is Earl and the series-premiere of Kath & Kim. Take a look:

Thursday 8 p.m.
Ugly Betty (ABC)
Viewers: 8.48 million (#2), A18-49: 2.6/ 7 (#3)

My Name is Earl (NBC) – 8 p.m.
Viewers: 7.09 million (#3), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#2)

Kath & Kim (NBC) – 8:30 p.m. (series premiere)
Viewers: 7.46 million (#3), A18-49: 3.2/ 9 (#2)

The positive news for Kath & Kath was the growth out of My Name is Earl of 370,000 and 19 percent among adults 18-49, and year-ago occupant 30 Rock (Viewers: 6.60 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 8 on Oct. 11, 2007) of 846,000 and seven percent in the demo.

Game one of the Major League Baseball Playoffs: Los Angeles at Philadelphia averaged an approximate (and fourth place) 6.80 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49 for the primetime portion (from 8:30-11 p.m.). The half-hour pre-game opened the evening with 5.26 million viewers (#4) and a 1.5/ 5 (#4t) in the demo at 8 p.m. As a reminder, results for any live sporting event are always approximate.

Capping off the 8 p.m. hour was the CW’s Smallville at a typical 4.08 million viewers and a 1.6/ 4 among adults 18-49.
The ninth season-premiere of CBS’ CSI took center stage at 9 p.m. (and for the evening overall), with a hefty 22.98 million viewers and a 7.0/17 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that built from the year-ago telecast (Viewers: 19.79 million; A18-49: 6.1/15 on Oct. 11, 2007) by 3.19 million viewers and 15 percent in the demo. Grey’s Anatomy on ABC, which normally dominates in the demo, had to take a backseat with 14.54 million viewers and a 5.5/13 among adults 18-49. One year earlier, declining Grey’s Anatomy averaged 19.04 million viewers and a 7.9/19 in the demo. Do the math and that’s a slide of 4.50 million viewers and 30 percent among adults 18-49.

NBC had positive results care of the first of three live half-hour politically themed editions of Saturday Night Live Weekend Update, with 10.59 million viewers (#3) and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49 (#3) at 9:30 p.m. Compared to lead-in The Office (Viewers: #3, 9.00 million; A18-49: #3, 4.6/11 at 9 p.m.), that was an increase of 1.59 million viewers and nine percent in the demo. Considering the competition, kudos to both The Office and this abbreviated Thursday edition of SNL.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at 3.14 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49. Retention out of Smallville was 77 percent in total viewers and 87 percent in the demo.

In the battle of the two 10 p.m. series premieres -- ABC’s Life on Mars and CBS’ Eleventh Hour – both were neck and neck. But considering Eleventh Hour had a much stronger lead-in, Life on Mars is off to a better start. And because of the stronger lead-in, ER won the hour among adults 18-49. Take a look:

Thursday 10 p.m.
Life on Mars (ABC)
Viewers: 11.60 million (#1), A18-49: 3.8/10 (#2)

Eleventh Hour (CBS)
Viewers: 11.59 million (#2), A18-49: 3.4/ 9 (#3)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 9.34 million (#3), A18-49: 4.0/10 (#1)

Retention for Life on Mars out of Grey’s Anatomy was respectable at 80 percent in total viewers and 69 percent among adults 18-49. But Eleventh Hour was noticeably weak at 50 percent in total viewers and 49 percent in the demo. Yes…that’s worthy of being labeled a loser.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/582102661

[Brainiac 8]

Awesome....maybe some of the more casual watchers just were not into a Green Arrow-centric episode.

[Migu-EL]

^^That could be true:up:. The promo made it look like Clark wasn't even in the episode. It's good to see Smallville get back on track to stay above 4 mil despite the MLB playoffs and the lack of promotion.

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/426105761

up once again over last week with 4.15 million viewers and it beat that ridiculous Hole in the Wall show.


Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/16/08

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 14.58 million, ABC: 10.42, NBC: 7.81, Fox: 3.98, CW: 3.60

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.2 rating/11 share, ABC: 3.7/10, NBC: 3.4/ 9, Fox and CW: 1.4/ 4 each

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-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Thursday, October 18, 2007):
NBC: - 5, CBS: - 8, ABC: -15, CW: -17, Fox: -74

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Note: The fast affiliate results for Thursday will be posted at PIFeedback by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Thursday, October 16, 2008.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Gabon (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), Eleventh Hour (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC), SNL Weekend Update (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
My Name is Earl (NBC), Kath & Kim (NBC), Hole in the Wall (Fox), Life on Mars (ABC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS dominated Thursday, beating second-place ABC (which took a hit as a result of Life on Mars) by 4.16 million viewers and 14 percent among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC, while Fox and the CW tied for the number four and five positions.

CBS’ veteran Survivor: Gabon opening the evening on a winning note, with 12.88 million viewers and a 4.2 rating/12 share among adults 18-49. One year earlier, Survivor: China averaged 14.03 million viewers and a 4.6/13 in the demo. Next was ABC’s deteriorating Ugly Betty (Viewers: #2, 8.21 million; A18-49: 2.6/ 8), which dipped by 1.63 million viewers and 19 percent among adults 18-49 from one year earlier. Third overall were NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Viewers: 6.54 million; A18-49: 2.6/ 8) and Kath & Kim (Viewers: 6.01 million; A18-49: 2.5/ 7), followed by the CW’s aging Smallville (Viewers: 4.15 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5), and two episodes of Fox clinker Hole in the Wall (Viewers: avg. 3.62 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 4). Compared to its week-ago debut, Kath & Kim dropped by a sizeable 1.51 million viewers (7.52 to 6.01 million) and 22 percent among adults 18-49 (3.2/ 9 to 2.5/ 7). Am I the only one who can’t stand Molly Shannon?

Leadership at 9 p.m. was split between CBS’ CSI and Grey’s Anatomy on ABC as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 18.84 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/13 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 14.57 million (#2), A18-49: 5.8/14 (#1)

Now take a look at both shows versus their year-ago national averages:

CSI (CBS)
10/18/07 – Viewers: 21.22 million; A18-49: 6.5/15
10/16/08 – Viewers: 18.84 million; A18-49: 5.1/13
Viewers: -2.38 million; A18-49: -22 percent

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
10/18/07 – Viewers: 18.04 million; A18-49: 7.3/17
10/16/08 – Viewers: 14.57 million; A18-49: 5.8/14
Viewers: -3.47 million; A18-49: -21 percent

Part of that erosion can be attributed to SNL Weekend Update on NBC, which fits like a glove out of lead-in The Office. Too bad it’s not a regularly scheduled series.

NBC/Thursday
9:00 p.m. The Office – Viewers: 8.07 million (#3); A18-49: 4.1/10 (#3)
9:30 p.m. SNL Weekend Update – Viewers: 8.61 million (#3), A18-49: 4.1/10 (#3)

Capping off the 9 p.m. hour was a repeat of Fox’s Kitchen Nightmares (Viewers: #4, 3.45 million; A18-49: #4, 1.4/ 3) and Supernatural on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.06 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3).


Source: Nielsen Media Research data

[Brainiac 8]

Fantastic. I hope the numbers keep rising. :up:

[04nbod]

we have that hole in the wall show in the UK as well. It got a WTF? from me too. Who would debase themselves like that?

[NHawk19]

Anybody find the adjusted ratings from the previous week? I'm curious how far up it went.

[AgentPat]

TV by the numbers (http://tvbythenumbers.com/) has the best chart data for ratings.

For time-shifted viewing for the week of September 15-21, Smallville had a 22.7% boost in DVR viewing over its Live viewing. That put it at 9th highest in percentage increase and 12th highest in audience among time shifted viewing among ALL shows on broadcast television (not just CW) for that week:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/06/house-has-most-dvr-viewers-90210-has-greatest-dvr-increase/5759


Here are the Live + SD ratings for CW since SV's 8th season premiere:

September 15-21
1 SMALLVILLE - 4,344,000
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 4,262,000
3 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN - 4,083,000
4 SUPERNATURAL - 3,955,000
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 3,732,000
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON - 3,369,000
7 90210 - 3,288,000
8 PRIVILEGED - 2,432,000
9 90210-ENC - 1,923,000
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC - 1,553,000
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC - 1,178,000
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC - 1,098,000

September 22-28
1 FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN - 4,411,000 (show finale on CW)
2 SMALLVILLE - 4,181,000
3 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 4,131,000
4 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 3,331,000
5 SUPERNATURAL - 3,177,000
6 ONE TREE HILL-MON - 3,135,000
7 90210 - 2,940,000
8 90210-ENC - 2,266,000
9 PRIVILEGED - 1,807,000
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC - 1,461,000
11 ONE TREE HILL-ENC - 1,368,000
12 PRIVILEGED-ENC - 1,222,000

September 29 - October 5
1 SMALLVILLE - 4,051,000
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 4,034,000
3 SUPERNATURAL - 3,508,000
4 ONE TREE HILL-MON - 3,420,000
5 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 3,398,000
6 90210 - 3,249,000
7 EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS - 2,108,000
8 GAME, THE - 1,952,000
9 PRIVILEGED - 1,873,000
10 90210-ENC - 1,660,000
11 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC - 1,435,000
12 VALENTINE - 1,146,000
13 EASY MONEY - 1,077,000
14 IN HARM’S WAY - 665,000

October 6-12
1 SMALLVILLE - 4,119,000
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 3,935,000
3 SUPERNATURAL - 3,145,000
4 90210 - 3,116,000
5 PRIVILEGED - 2,290,000
6 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 1,819,000
7 GAME, THE - 1,805,000
8 90210-ENC - 1,780,000
9 EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS - 1,697,000
10 PRIVILIGED-10/6 - 1,551,000
11 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC - 1,401,000
12 VALENTINE - 1,020,000
13 IN HARM’S WAY - 770,000
14 EASY MONEY- 753,000

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-shows-by-network/cw-tv-ratings


^ Two things come to mind after seeing these numbers for CW:

1. The network is hanging on by a thread, and...
2. Count on a ninth season of SV *if* the network survives, and *if* they can get Welling to resign.

[Prison Mike]

I think there'll be a ninth season...

[LexFactor]

If Welling doesn't sign then I hope there's not.

[Prison Mike]

If Welling doesn't sign then I hope there's not.

that's a given. there's no show without Welling.

[LexFactor]

that's a given. there's no show without Welling.

I agree but didn't TPTB intimate that they would consider continuing the show without Welling if they had to?

[heliorei]

^ Two things come to mind after seeing these numbers for CW:

1. The network is hanging on by a thread, and...
2. Count on a ninth season of SV *if* the network survives, and *if* they can get Welling to resign.


Well, IMO, I think it's Dawn Ostroff's job is hanging on by a thread and not so much the network.

As for Smallville, I really think the next two months will be essential for the negotiations with Welling. The ratings are solid and in fact, so far, the ratings are increasing. Everyone agrees this season is way better than the previous two (6 and 7) and the word of mouth is actually starting to spread.

And now with the new PTB and the new direction of the show, I'm pretty much sure Welling is a lot happier and is again in the director list for this season. It all points for a resign for welling for another year and I wouldn't be surprised if he will actually become an executive producer for the series.

[Mikelus]

If PS3 want to keep going sans Welling, then is not Smallville anymore, is something else (Arrowville, JL, whatever) or just "The Graysons". :meanie:

[Mikelus]

I hope Welling doesn't resign, we don't need a dragging of Clark taking the final step to become \S/, they have everything set up to end the series this season.

[NHawk19]

^ Two things come to mind after seeing these numbers for CW:

1. The network is hanging on by a thread, and...
2. Count on a ninth season of SV *if* the network survives, and *if* they can get Welling to resign.

Thanks Pat.

No. 2 seems like a more likely scenario for next year. With No. 1 following if they dont get anything to catch on in the fall.

I'd even go so far as to say the net may be betting it all on Graysons, because of the lack of stad-outs in the rest of the pack. Pilot season should be interesting.

[Prison Mike]

I agree but didn't TPTB intimate that they would consider continuing the show without Welling if they had to?

really? how would they do that? Please NO Chloe show!

[ord0g]

They're definitely going to go for a ninth season provided that they can sign Welling. I'm willing to bet that they'd even be prepared to do away with the rest of the cast just to keep the show going. The CW is practically living off Smallville. Without it it's screwed.

[LexFactor]

really? how would they do that? Please NO Chloe show!

I'm sure I read something about it with Green Arrow taking over. I maybe wrong.

And I agree, no Chloe show!

[Serene]

The only way I want to see a 9th season is if they rename the show "Metropolis."

Bonus points for moving to a bigger network. ;)

If Tom doesn't want to sign, then all bets are off.

[The Incredible Hulk]

nice gain again this week up to 4.22 million viewers

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/282100961

The CW capped off Thursday with veteran Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.22 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5), which dipped by 430,000 viewers and 11 percent among adults from one year earlier, and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.25 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Is Robin the Boy Wonder heading to the CW Thursday next season?

[Prison Mike]

I actually watched this episode when it aired on tv. I'm part of the gain in numbers! yay!

[Brainiac 8]

The CW capped off Thursday with veteran Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.22 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5), which dipped by 430,000 viewers and 11 percent among adults from one year earlier, and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.25 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Is Robin the Boy Wonder heading to the CW Thursday next season? It is important to note that these numbers do not include Prison Mike.

Sorry Mike, it actually doesn't include your viewership. :(



;)

[Migu-EL]

Sorry Mike, it actually doesn't include your viewership. :(



;)

LOL:oldrazz:... What next your gonna tell the poor kid there's no Santa Clause.:csad:

[Brainiac 8]

LOL:oldrazz:... What next your gonna tell the poor kid there's no Santa Clause.:csad:


Of course there is...and according to Wierd Al, he is a raving psychotic alcoholic that killed all of his reindeer. :p

[Migu-EL]

Of course there is...and according to Wierd Al, he is a raving psychotic alcoholic that killed all of his reindeer. :p

And yet Clark still saved him in "Lexmas".:wow:

[Prison Mike]

Sorry Mike, it actually doesn't include your viewership. :(



;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :cmad:













:oldrazz:

LOL:oldrazz:... What next your gonna tell the poor kid there's no Santa Clause.:csad:

then where do all my presents come from, smart guy? :cwink:

[Migu-EL]

then where do all my presents come from, smart guy? :cwink:


Ahh.......:confused:Sup...er...man??:huh: I mean...Tom Welling.:cwink:

[AgentPat]

Here are the finals for last night's ep as posted by Travis Yanan over at PiFeeback:

Smallville
- 4.155 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.7/4 A18-49
- 1.7/5 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.251 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.2/3 A18-34


Here is the updated live + same day ratings for the week of October 13-19 on CW from TV by the Numbers:

1 SMALLVILLE - 4,183,000
2 ONE TREE HILL-MON - 3,475,000
3 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 3,308,000
4 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 3,207,000
5 SUPERNATURAL - 3,061,000
6 GAME, THE - 1,814,000
7 EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS - 1,791,000
8 90210 R - 1,730,000
9 90210-ENC R - 1,654,000
10 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R - 1,346,000
11 PRIVILEGED R - 1,222,000
12 VALENTINE - 743,000
13 EASY MONEY - 712,000
14 IN HARM’S WAY - 623,000

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-shows-by-network/cw-tv-ratings


And finally, the running tally for SV since its 8th season premiere, and the show's rank on the CW for those weeks:

09/18/08 - 4,344,000 #1
09/25/08 - 4,181,000 #2
10/02/08 - 4,051,000 #1
10/09/08 - 4,119,000 #1
10/16/08 - 4,183,000 #1
10/23/08 - 4,155,000 #1

[Webhead2006]

Nice to see smallville is continuitly to grow and and stay at or over 4million.

[Prison Mike]

Ahh.......:confused:Sup...er...man??:huh: I mean...Tom Welling.:cwink:

I guess I'll be sending my "thank you" card to him from now on.

[AgentPat]

Variety included this tasty little nugget in last week's ratings rap-up:

Of note at CW was above average performances from "Smallville" (1.7/5 in 18-49, 4.2 million viewers overall) and "Supernatural" (1.3/3 in 18-49, 3.3 million viewers overall), with the former achieving a season high in 18-34 (1.9/5).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994588

[Zing79]

Pat you must remove that sig :) Leroy is a last year thing. As funny as it is (and it is!!!) you must move on to the newest internet sensations :p

[AgentPat]

Pat you must remove that sig :) Leroy is a last year thing. As funny as it is (and it is!!!) you must move on to the newest internet sensations :pTrue, the video is so last year, but the achievement is new; I just got my "Jenkins" title a few days ago, so nyeh! :p :D

And hallelujah, the zombies are finally gone. That got super old, super fast. :dry:

[triplet]

:confused:

Leroy Jenkins?

[Brainiac 8]

:confused:

Leroy Jenkins?


I don't know what they are talking about either. :p

[AgentPat]

LMAO! If you have to ask, you just wouldn't understand. :p





(Internet gaming - World of Warcraft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zll_jAKvarw )

[Brainiac 8]

Ah...I'm not a WOW player myself...was never interested in it. If it has to do with that, then I wouldn't understand. :(

[Lighthouse]

*sigh* Supernatural deserves to be doing so much better.

[p4poetic]

^Yeah, it looks like a good show.

See, I haven't even seen it and I think it deserves better.

[AgentPat]

Early ratings report from PiFeedback (not finals):

CW capped off Thursday with veteran Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.24 million; A18-49: #4, 1.7/ 5), which was on par from one year earlier, and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.53 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4), which still works relatively well at 9 p.m. despite the hefty competition. Looking ahead, there is no reason to believe the CW will abandon its strategy of airing sci-fi dramas on Thursday next season.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/642106071


That's the most viewers a SV ep has had since the 8th season premiere. And final numbers when posted are usually higher than the prelims.

[Zing79]

Early ratings report from PiFeedback (not finals):




That's the most viewers a SV ep has had since the 8th season premiere. And final numbers when posted are usually higher than the prelims.
It's the show quality + the new coat of paint in my opinion. They continue to make sure the quality stays up and I wouldn't be surprised if it picked up viewers all the way to 5 mil at the end of the season.

The only thing that could derail that is the fact that the show goes on hiatus for months while Reaper takes its spot.

It's amazing what quality will do. You keep viewers from week to week, and pick up new/old ones along the way.

[The Incredible Hulk]

agreed. the feedback for the show so far this season has been the most positive since like Season 2 or 3. Last I checked it was still kicking ass on iTunes too.

[Brainiac 8]

Huge kudos to PS3 for the quality.

Heck, even the "stinker" of the season Toxic wasn't that bad, in my opinion. That one also had the lower ratings that I'm sure was because it was advertised as a Green Arrow episode, and people don't watch Smallville for GA. :p

[Migu-EL]

Nope, I watch it for Shelby.:csad:

[Brainiac 8]

Heh...sorry Migu...you don't get to see him much. :(

[Migu-EL]

Yeah It's only been one episode so far this season. I guess I'll have to settle for that Clark Kent guy.:oldrazz:

[AgentPat]

Finals as posted by TravisYanan on PiFeedback:

Smallville
- 4.323 million viewers
- 2.7/4 HH
- 1.7/5 A18-49
- 1.8/6 A18-34

Supernatural
- 3.550 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34


Here is the Live + Same Day running tally for SV since its 8th season premiere, and the show's rank on the CW for those weeks:

09/18/08 - 4,344,000 #1
09/25/08 - 4,181,000 #2
10/02/08 - 4,051,000 #1
10/09/08 - 4,119,000 #1
10/16/08 - 4,183,000 #1
10/23/08 - 4,155,000 #2 *
10/30/08 - 4,323,000 (Rank TBD)


* In my haste last week, I listed SV as being #1 for the week of 10/23, but that week's ratings were not complete at the time of posting. I should have wrote, "TBD." My bad for going the ole cut-n-paste route. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/oopz.gif

[Mikelus]

The CW is happy:

“SMALLVILLE” AND “SUPERNATURAL” ON THE RISE,

PERFORMING AT OR NEAR SEASON HIGHS

SMALLVILLE Matches Season Highs in Key Demos

SUPERNATURAL Scores Second Best Performance of the Season

On First Night of Nov. 2008 Sweep, SMALLVILLE and SUPERNATURAL Combine

for Year-to-Year Growth on Thursday

October 31, 2008 (Burbank, CA) - The CW’s Thursday combination of SMALLVILLE and SUPERNATURAL were on the rise last night, as both series climbed to deliver ratings that were at or near season highs, according to Live Plus Same Day Nielsen ratings for Thursday, Oct. 30, 2008

SMALLVILLE matched its season highs in adults 18-34 (1.8/6), men 18-34 (2.2/7), men 18-49 (2.1/6) and total viewers (4.3mil). SMALLVILLE improved over last week’s telecast by 6% in adults 18-34, 10% in men 18-34, 11% in men 18-49 and 4% in viewers.

SUPERNATURAL climbed to its best performance in adults 18-34 (1.4/4), adults 18-49 (1.5/4) and total viewers (3.6mil) since its season premiere (9/18/08). SUPERNATURAL grew week-to-week by 17% in adults 18-34, 45% in men 18-34, 15% in adults 18-49, 33% in men 18-49 and 9% in total viewers.

On the first night of the Nov. 2008 Sweep, The CW climbed to its best Thursday of the season in men 18-34 (1.9/6-tie) and second best in adults 18-34 (1.6/5), adults 18-49 (1.6/4) and total viewers (3.9mil). Compared to the first night of the Nov. 2007 Sweep a year ago, The CW is up in adults 18-49, men 18-34, men 18-49 and total viewers.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/smallville-and-supernatural-on-the-rise/7337

[Whiteflag]

That one also had the lower ratings that I'm sure was because it was advertised as a Green Arrow episode, and people don't watch Smallville for GA. :p

:up:

[04nbod]

Huge kudos to PS3 for the quality.

Heck, even the "stinker" of the season Toxic wasn't that bad, in my opinion. That one also had the lower ratings that I'm sure was because it was advertised as a Green Arrow episode, and people don't watch Smallville for GA. :p

I disagree Brainy. If people watch for clark then they should watch every episode regardless. He has a big part to play despite advertising. If people see a trailer that is clark lite and think the episode must feature very little clark in a show called smallville I would have to question their intelligence.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The CW is happy:

Nice. Both shows have really taken things to a new level this year. It's the best 2 consecutive hours of TV on all week.

[mellyM]

I disagree Brainy. If people watch for clark then they should watch every episode regardless. He has a big part to play despite advertising. If people see a trailer that is clark lite and think the episode must feature very little clark in a show called smallville I would have to question their intelligence.

the ep did feature a lot less Clark than normal, and I know a few people who at the time said they weren't going to bother watching. I didn't really watch it myself. There was too much shirtless Oliver flitting around on an island to hold my interest

[Whiteflag]

I disagree Brainy. If people watch for clark then they should watch every episode regardless. He has a big part to play despite advertising. If people see a trailer that is clark lite and think the episode must feature very little clark in a show called smallville I would have to question their intelligence.

In a show called Smallville Clark appeared 5 minutes in an episode called "Static", for instance. So yeah, if viewers see a trailer that focuses on the GA, they may think it's going to be Clark light and therefore decide not to watch. In fact, that's exactly what happened not only with Toxic, but with other episodes that were centered around other characters and got the lowest ratings in past seasons.

[AgentPat]

Here is the updated live + same day viewer ratings for the week of October 27 - November 2 on CW, from TV by the Numbers:

1 SMALLVILLE - 4,323,000
2 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL-5 - 3,903,000
3 SUPERNATURAL - 3,550,000
4 ONE TREE HILL-MON - 3,206,000
5 90210 - 3,156,000
6 GOSSIP GIRL-MON - 3,047,000
7 PRIVILEGED - 1,916,000
8 STYLISTA - 1,756,000
9 EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS - 1,266,000
10 GAME, THE - 1,255,000
11 AMERICA’S TOP MODEL5-ENC R - 1,044,000
12 VALENTINE R - 801,000
13 IN HARM’S WAY R - 795,000
14 EASY MONEY R - 623,000

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-shows-by-network/cw-tv-ratings


And the running tally:

09/18/08 - 4,344,000 #1
09/25/08 - 4,181,000 #2
10/02/08 - 4,051,000 #1
10/09/08 - 4,119,000 #1
10/16/08 - 4,183,000 #1
10/23/08 - 4,155,000 #2
10/30/08 - 4,323,000 #1

[Brainiac 8]

Wow, Smallville is leading by a large margin. I'm sure another season will happen. With the fresh direction, and the strong ratings, CW would be idiots to not renew it. Of course this is CW we are talking about here. Being idiots is nothing new to them. :p

[avidreader]

Wow, Smallville is leading by a large margin. I'm sure another season will happen. With the fresh direction, and the strong ratings, CW would be idiots to not renew it. Of course this is CW we are talking about here. Being idiots is nothing new to them. :p

I'm not up with the latest news, but has Tom Welling signed on for an extra season, 'cause it just aint Smallville without the star of the show.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not yet. As of now, he's still only signed through the end of this season. ANd actually I dont think anyone is signed past this season currently.

[mellyM]

Not yet. As of now, he's still only signed through the end of this season. ANd actually I dont think anyone is signed past this season currently.

Allison is

[Prison Mike]

they get Allison BEFORE Tom? Shouldn't they ask the main actor first?

[LexFactor]

Allison's contract ran out at the end of season 7. Tom was signed through to season 8. So I assume when they went to negotiate with Allison to come back for season 8 they got her to sign for season 9 too.

I think it's a similar situation with Justin too but I've been wrong before.

[Prison Mike]

I guess it all depends on Tom now. I'm pretty sure CW will ask for another season given the ratings so far.

[superherouniver]

Wonder if Smallville will go on forever?

[Brainiac 8]

Does any show go on forever? :whatever:

[Cmill216]

The news?

[Brainiac 8]

Not even that, I hear it's up for cancellation come next season. :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

Allison is

where did you see that? I was under the impression that at this point in the show they were only doing 1 year deals with the cast after their initial 7 year contrats expired.

[Brainiac 8]

You are informed correctly. As far as they have ever said, season 8 is as far as anyone is signed. Noone is signed for season 9 as of yet, especially considering they don't even know if the show is renewed for another season.

[superherouniver]

The Simpsons has been on over 20 years.

[Brainiac 8]

But in the case of science fiction oriented television, the longest running is Stargate SG1 and it was only on for 10 seasons. The main claim to fame Smallville has is it's the longest running Superman themed television show.

[superherouniver]

It's the longest running superhero show I'm sure.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm pretty sure you are correct there.

[BenReilly19]

You are informed correctly. As far as they have ever said, season 8 is as far as anyone is signed. Noone is signed for season 9 as of yet, especially considering they don't even know if the show is renewed for another season.

Brian Peterson has mentioned that Allison Mack, Aaron Ashmore and most of the cast (excluding Welling) are signed on for a ninth season:

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/smallville/the_brian_behind_smallville.php?page=10

OG: Are Tom Welling and Allison Mack already signed on for a Season Nine?

BP: Allison is. And we are very hopeful for Tom.

OG: He'd be the one person that...

BP: Yeah, he's pretty pivotal. The other person I haven't mentioned is obviously Green Arrow and Justin (Hartley). We were sad that some of his other projects didn't work out, but we were so excited to have him. We've been wanting to have him as a season regular for a while. That's a really nice change this year.

OG: I liked him in Aquaman. I was really surprised that didn't become a show.

BP: Yeah, that was in that transition from WB to CW. There was a lot that happened. He was amazing in it, and he brings so much to the character of Green Arrow. He's a great character for us because he has such a different take on everything than Clark. So he can really push Clark in ways that I think a lot of the other characters can't.

OG: Is Aaron Ashmore also signed on for Season Nine?

BP: Yes, I believe so. I believe we have most of the cast.

[Brainiac 8]

Thanks for the correction Ben. It's interesting that everyone else is signed on except Welling, considering that if he refuses to do another season, then it all crashes down.

[Prison Mike]

Thanks for the correction Ben. It's interesting that everyone else is signed on except Welling, considering that if he refuses to do another season, then it all crashes down.

that's what I was thinking. It would be easier to sign Tom on first then at least you'll know you have the main guy. If there's no Tom, then there's no show.

[superherouniver]

Unless he goes on to Metropolis and Supergirl comes back. That would be canceled for sure though after a half a season.

[Prison Mike]

Unless he goes on to Metropolis and Supergirl comes back. That would be canceled for sure though after a half a season.

then it would be a spin-off about Supergirl. Although I would rather they make a Green Arrow show instead

[Brainiac 8]

then it would be a spin-off about Supergirl. Although I would rather they make a Green Arrow show instead


This. :up:

[LexFactor]

Smallville got 4.81 million.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/07/thursday-ratings-csi-wins-viewers-greys-anatomy-demo-plus-oprah/7772#more-7772

[Zing79]

That's higher than the season premier! It's not often that happens (and this wasn't a small jump either). In fact there's a good chance with the DVR numbers it might get up to 5 mil for the week. Once again a testament to what happens when you take a show seriously, and try to build a story.

Where is hulk with his references to Christ riding a bike though - it should have happened by now?

[AgentPat]

I think the numbers may be a little misleading. Denver preempted SV for a sporting event last night. Football, I believe. This may be one of those rare occasions where the finals for SV go down from the fast affiliate figures. We'll know in about three hours. Stay tuned. :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

even so, Denver isnt a monster market that will knock it down a ton. worst case scenario, it drops to what? 4.65-4.7?

[AgentPat]

That would be my guess. We're all just so used to the numbers going up that I thought I'd curb the enthusiasm just a little bit to avoid potential disappointment. This way, if the numbers hold, awesome! If they don't, folks will know why. ;)

[Zing79]

I think the numbers may be a little misleading. Denver preempted SV for a sporting event last night. Football, I believe. This may be one of those rare occasions where the finals for SV go down from the fast affiliate figures. We'll know in about three hours. Stay tuned. :D
How many viewers can it really lose from Denver? It's at 4.8 now. The season premier was 4.34. It's not losing 500k from one market.

So my logic still stands :)

[Zing79]

even so, denver isnt a monster market that will knock it down a ton. Worst case scenario, it drops to what? 4.65-4.7?

ahem

where is hulk with his references to christ riding a bike though - it should have happened by now?

[RakuMon]

Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 11/06/08

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 13.75 million, ABC: 11.16, NBC: 7.64, Fox: 4.55, CW: 4.27

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 4.0 rating/10 share, ABC: 3.9/10, NBC: 3.3/ 8, Fox: 2.1/ 5, CW: 1.8/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Gabon (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
The Office (NBC), 30 Rock (NBC)

-Disappointing:
Eleventh Hour (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
My Name is Earl (NBC), Kath & Kim (NBC), Kitchen Nightmares (Fox), Life on Mars (ABC)

----------

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS led this 8th night of the November 2008 sweeps, beating second-place ABC by 2.59 million viewers and three percent among adults 18-49. Third overall in both categories was NBC, followed by Fox and the CW.

CBS’ veteran Survivor: Gabon kicked-off the evening first in the 8 p.m. hour, with 12.18 million viewers and a 3.9 rating/10 share among adults 18-49. But one year earlier (on Nov. 8, 2007), Survivor: China averaged a considerably stronger 14.86 million viewers and a 4.8/13 in the demo. How did you like that Susie last night? She is clearly not as dumb as her Kota tribe members seen to think. As for Randy…there always seems to be one obnoxious contestant who manages to go far.

Second at 8 p.m. was ABC’s Ugly Betty at 8.95 million viewers and a 2.7/ 7 among adults 18-49 (and also down considerably from the year-ago night’s 10.83 million viewers and a 3.5/ 9 in the demo). Rounding off the hour were weak NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 6.62 million; A18-49: #2, 2.6/ 7) and the abysmal Kath & Kim (Viewers: #3, 5.57 million; A18-49: #3, 2.4/ 6), which should never have been picked-up for the full season, the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.81 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.0/ 5), and a repeat of Kitchen Nightmares on Fox (Viewers: #4, 4.41 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.1/ 5). Needless to say, My Name is Earl should no longer be anchoring the night.

It was business as usual at 9 p.m., with CBS’ CSI and Grey’s Anatomy on ABC sharing leadership as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 18.11 million (#1), A18-49: 5.1/12 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 15.63 million (#2), A18-49: 5.9/14 (#1)

But compared to the year-ago evening, the declines were steep. Take a look:

CSI (CBS)
11/08/07 – Viewers: 21.94 million; A18-49: 6.4/15
11/06/08 – Viewers: 18.11 million; A18-49: 5.1/12
Percent Change – Viewers: -17, A18-49: -20

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
11/08/07 – Viewers: 19.50 million; A18-49: 8.0/19
11/06/08 – Viewers: 15.63 million; A18-49: 5.9/14
Percent Change – Viewers: -20, A18-49: -26

Third in the 9 p.m. hour were NBC’s The Office (Viewers: 8.35 million; A18-49: 4.2/10) and 30 Rock (Viewers: 8.00 million; A18-49: 3.9/ 9), featuring a guest appearance by Oprah Winfrey. The positive news for 30 Rock was almost full retention from The Office and its above-average season-opener one week earlier, and growth of 1.73 million viewers and 26 percent in the demo from year-ago occupant Scrubs (Viewers: 6.27 million; A18-49: 3.1/ 7 on Nov. 8, 2007). As for the show itself…oh, yeah…it was good. Damn funny, in fact.

Rounding off the 9 p.m. hour was an original installment of Fox’s Kitchen Nightmares (Viewers: #4, 4.69 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 5) and Supernatural on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.73 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4).

Top-rated honors at 10 p.m. were shared between CBS’ Eleventh Hour and NBC’s soon-to-conclude ER as follows:

Thursday 10 p.m.
Eleventh Hour (CBS)
Viewers: 10.97 million (#1), A18-49: 3.1/ 8 (#2)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 8.64 million (#3), A18-49: 3.3/ 9 (#1)

But before anyone cracks open a bottle of bubbly at CBS, keep in mind that retention for Eleventh Hour out of the second half of lead-in CSI (Viewers: 18.19 million; A18-49: 5.2/12 at 9:30 p.m.) was just 60 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49. And this pales in comparison to year-ago occupant Without a Trace (Viewers: 21.68 million; A18-49: 6.4/19, which featured a crossover with CSI).

Rounding off the 10 p.m. time period was ABC’s struggling Life on Mars, at 8.92 million viewers (#2) and a third-place 2.9/ 8 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that out retention out of the second half of lead-in Grey’s Anatomy (Viewers: 15.99 million; A18-49: 6.2/15) of just 56 percent in total viewers and 47 percent in the demo.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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