Ratings

[triplet]

Are they deleting older threads? I couldn't find the Ratings thread, so I'm starting a new one.

Here are the ratings for last night's episode:

This is from Media Week's Programming Insider column (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp):

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were CBS' 60 Minutes (Overnights: #3, 7.3/11; Viewers: #2, 10.40 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.2/ 6), the season, or series, finale of NBC's Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Model Search (Overnights: #4: 4.6/ 7; Viewers: #4, 5.55 million; A18-49: #4t, 2.2/ 6), the WB's fading Smallville (Overnights: #5: 4.3/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.73 million; A18-49: #3, 2.4/ 6), and UPN's The Road to Stardom with Missy Elliott (Overnights: #6, 2.3/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.73 million; A18-49: #6, 1.3/ 3).


Although why they're calling Smallville fading when it again came in third for 18-49 year olds, I have no idea.

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow #3 again in the "monkey market" of Adults 18-49, nice :up:Not sure why theyd say "fading" since it's beating out NBC and CBS and going up against AI and Lost??

[triplet]

wow #3 again in the "monkey market" of Adults 18-49, nice :up:Not sure why theyd say "fading" since it's beating out NBC and CBS and going up against AI and Lost??

Hulk, I hate to be the one to point this out, but you've got a typo in your new sig:

It should be "your" not "you're"... Just an FYI.

:up:

You know I love ya!

http://www.mckinney.to/emoticons/images/emoticons/491.gif

[The Incredible Hulk]

oops

[AgentPat]

Are they deleting older threads? I couldn't find the Ratings thread, so I'm starting a new one.It's buried, but here it is:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142209

I didn't want to bump it since the title of this thread is more to the point.

Although why they're calling Smallville fading when it again came in third for 18-49 year olds, I have no idea.They're probably comparing the figures to last year. But many of the WB's shows are down compared to where they were a year ago. There was a recent article in Variety that addressed that fact. I'll dig it up if folks want to read it, but it didn't mention SV specifically IIRC.

And yes, coming in THIRD -again- in THAT demographic is great!

[triplet]

oops

:D :up:

[Doomed_hero]

Was this last week cause Lost ewas a rerun.

[triplet]

Was this last week cause Lost ewas a rerun.

No, the ratings were for yesterday's ep: Recruit.

Considering Lost was a new ep last night, they should probably be very happy.

[AgentPat]

Was this last week cause Lost ewas a rerun.:confused: The ratings posted above are for last night.

[Bad Superman]

wow #3 again in the "monkey market" of Adults 18-49, nice :up:Not sure why theyd say "fading" since it's beating out NBC and CBS and going up against AI and Lost??

Maybe it was written by JcDc ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

who knows?, funny typoe on my part writing "monkey" market instead of "money" market....LOL :D

[jas01724]

Considering Lost was a new ep last night, they should probably be very happy.And they are. Pay no attention to numbnuts who say otherwise.

[AgentPat]

Had to laugh at this. It shows ya how those in the industry view things...

"...American Dreams (NBC) moves to Wednesdays at 8 p.m. ET beginning March 9, which pits the series against 'Lost,' 'Smallville' and 'American Idol.' That doesn't even seem like a fair fight."

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,276%7C93578%7C1%7C,00.html


Nope. Sure doesn't. ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

now there's a dieing quail of a show if I've ever seen one

[AgentPat]

now there's a dieing quail of a show if I've ever seen oneWill be interesting to see what happens since a repeat episode of "Transference" is skedded to air on the day AD's is first moved.

[muscles]

Doesnt it make you guys wonder why the WB were A Holes to Welling and making changing there minds on him. Sometimes I just dont understand it.

[AgentPat]

Doesnt it make you guys wonder why the WB were A Holes to Welling and making changing there minds on him. Sometimes I just dont understand it.Don't try to understand it, Muscles, otherwise your head asplode. ;)

[muscles]

I think if we would have gotten some closure from Singer, WB, or Welling it might be easier, but since they have put us all in limbo its like HELLO whats up ?

[triplet]

Had to laugh at this. It shows ya how those in the industry view things...

"...American Dreams (NBC) moves to Wednesdays at 8 p.m. ET beginning March 9, which pits the series against 'Lost,' 'Smallville' and 'American Idol.' That doesn't even seem like a fair fight."

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,276%7C93578%7C1%7C,00.html


Nope. Sure doesn't. ;)

Oh. My. God.

No Way!

I used to love that show until it became the "oh-woe-is-me-my-parents-don't-understand-me" hour....

I guess you can kiss that show good bye too, it's NBC's newest sacrificial lamb that it will offer up to the evil Lost....

[jas01724]

I think if we would have gotten some closure from Singer, WB, or Welling it might be easier, but since they have put us all in limbo its like HELLO whats up ?It's like the gormless cousin who lives miles away and whom you don't see very often - you love him, but you still want to smack him around the head whenever he visits...

[vyperman7]

I think they refered to the show as fading, because of what it used to get in the ratings.

During the first season, Smallville pulled in 6-7 million viewers an episode.

During the second season, it pulled in between 7-8 million viewers an episode, with an all time high of just over nine million for Rosetta.

Now when you compare the ratings, Smallville is practically only getting half of what it used to. While the ratings are still decent for a WB show, there has been a considerable decline from when the show was at its peak, popularity wise.

[The Incredible Hulk]

well the show doesnt exist in a vacuum, moving to one of the most highly contested time slots in tv with it going up against AI the past two seasons, and now Lost as well this year, has caused the ratings decline. A more telling sign of just how popular the show has become is the fact that the DVD sales have gone up as each season was released...

[AgentPat]

It's like the gormless cousin who lives miles away and whom you don't see very often - you love him, but you still want to smack him around the head whenever he visits...James, you crack me up. LMAO!!!






Poor Muscles. :D

[clarkkent]

smallville should be pulling in 6 million easy wtf :confused:

[vyperman7]

A lot of people just don't like the show's direction anymore C.K..

If they could give us the Clark of season one, the Lex of season three that was fading into darkness, and give us back the interaction between Clark and his parents, I would be one happy camper. As I have said, I have loved season four. Only two episodes I have disliked. But certain elements really get under my skin. Making Lana into this huge character involved with the mythology bugs me, because she is supposed to be a secondary character that starts out as CK's first true love and she ends up his confidant with the secret. Not some Kryptonian witch. Also, Lex has had really limited screen time this season.

[johnsonuk]

well i am just into season 4 here,just watched ep 4.I have to say i am very dissapointed so far.Allthough next weeks DOES look good from the trailer.But i honestly feel like they are trying to squeeze as much out of it as possible and it harms the show.I now feel less enthusiastic about the show as i used to.now please do not say i am bashing the show because i have always watched it and liked it.At the same time i have never wanted welling in the new film.
But i think the fact that the new film is into casting and nearly starting filming has reduced my entusiasm for the show and could be the same with many others.
like i said i liked the show but i DO hope this is the final season.Freak of the weeks(series fillers) just make me want to turn off.

[jas01724]

Recruit got 4.91 million viewers, second for WB behind Gilmore Girls. AND GG was airing its 100th episode which probably gave it a boost.

[Super_Ludacris]

That's ok

[johnsonuk]

ok i am not an american so i don't know this.But isn't 4.91m viewers a low amount for the states?

[AgentPat]

ok i am not an american so i don't know this.But isn't 4.91m viewers a low amount for the states?Depends on the network. That figure represented the second most watched show for The WB last week. ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX are in more markets so they get more viewers by default.

[AgentPat]

Krypto ratings for last night
(Based on the fast affiliate ratings, 8pm timeslot)

ABC, Lost (Overnights: #1, 12.5/19; Viewers: #1, 17.99 million; A18-49: #1, 6.7/18)

CBS, 60 Minutes (Overnights: #2, 6.4/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.81 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 6)

Fox, That ‘70s Show (Overnights: #2t, 6.2/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.66 million; A18-49: #2, 4.1/11)
Fox, The Simple Life 3: Interns (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #2, 8.96 million; A18-49: #2, 4.0/10)

NBC, Medium (Overnights: #4, 5.6/ 8; Viewers: #4, 6.44 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 6)

WB, Smallville (Overnights: #5, 4.2/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.11 million; A18-49: #3, 2.4/ 6)

UPN, The Road to Stardom with Missy Elliott (Overnights: #6, 2.4/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.00 million; A18-49: #6, 1.4/ 4)



SV is still kicking major ass in the 18-49 demo.

[Pickle-El]

More bleh ratings......then again, it's to be expected. More eppy's like Crusade and Run would easily have Smallville in the 6 to mid Million range.

70 years of history you guys, lets use some of it!

And don't get me started on next week's preview...

To go off on a rant for a sec, I SERIOUSLY don't get some of you guys with SR after watching some of the stuff goin on in Smallville. *Some* people won't let Singer get away with a vague history(moot point with some I know) which could really mean anything. Yet, have the gall to call this witch storyline 'fun' and 'entertaining' and looking forward to next week? WTF???? This stuff is getting HORRIBLE...it's going absolutely nowhere. I read some people calling last night's episode really good...I'm sorry but take the Smallville Blinders off for a sec, they are taking whatever liberties they have with the show and REEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY stretching it out thin. Take last night for example, the only mildly entertaining thing was the chemistry between L&C. THATS IT! Maybe it's just me, but I can't believe these are the same guys that gave us Rosetta, Run, and all those cliffhangers. And people will talk of how Singerman reeks of Donner worship....I think some people need to look at what's right in front of them with an objective view. IF SR, turns out to be a crappy film I'll be happy to say it....just like I really like (d) Smallville. But now, I have no problem saying a lot of it is really just turning me off to future viewings. (Bar season enders or something that really grabs me in the trailer)

Rant over, sorry had to let that out.

[AgentPat]

Slow day in the Superman forum, Pickle? :p

[Pickle-El]

Just feeling Pick-ley today.

;)

[triplet]

Slow day in the Superman forum, Pickle? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

LOL!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Just feeling Pickl-ey today.

Double LOL!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Pickle-El]

P.S.

More shots of Erica Durance in that green shirt on a cold Smallville night= RATINGS!!!!

:D

(that WAS on topic wasn't it?)

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont see what the issue with last night's show is? Shelby is right out of SFAS. people complain about them not using the comics, then they go ahead and do so, and they still complain?

As for next weeks show, it's finally going to tie in the crystals with the whole Lana/witch thing, while also resolving the Dr. Swann death and it will even include Jor El, in effect giving a plot summary, and moving forward the main theme of the season of Clark collecting the crystals, yet people are still complaining? :confused:

What does any of this have to do with Singerman or the price of tea in China?

[triplet]

I dont see what the issue with last night's show is? Shelby is right out of SFAS. people complain about them not using the comics, then they go ahead and do so, and they still complain?

As for next weeks show, it's finally going to tie in the crystals with the whole Lana/witch thing, while also resolving the Dr. Swann death and it will even include Jor El, in effect giving a plot summary, and moving forward the main theme of the season of Clark collecting the crystals, yet people are still complaining? :confused:

What does any of this have to do with Singerman or the price of tea in China?

Too true.

It seems like the same people who complain about freaks of the week are also complaining about the witch storyline and the eps that bring in stuff from the comics.

Some people are just never happy, unless they can replay Lois coming down the stairs over and over again... ;)

BTW: I asked C. Lee to come on over here and merge some of these threads... it's getting confusing with like ten threads on Mulana and ten on Krypto.

[Pickle-El]

They could chosen a different preview, then I could have been disappointed, saying 'WTF' while watching it, not before.

'I got a bad disease, from my brain is where I bleeeeeeeeeeeeed.'

:D

I don't think I am gonna actually post anymore, just quote lyrics in songs to express how I feel about a given situation...how's that?

[Lara]

More bleh ratings......then again, it's to be expected. More eppy's like Crusade and Run would easily have Smallville in the 6 to mid Million range.

70 years of history you guys, lets use some of it!

And don't get me started on next week's preview...

To go off on a rant for a sec, I SERIOUSLY don't get some of you guys with SR after watching some of the stuff goin on in Smallville. *Some* people won't let Singer get away with a vague history(moot point with some I know) which could really mean anything. Yet, have the gall to call this witch storyline 'fun' and 'entertaining' and looking forward to next week? WTF???? This stuff is getting HORRIBLE...it's going absolutely nowhere. I read some people calling last night's episode really good...I'm sorry but take the Smallville Blinders off for a sec, they are taking whatever liberties they have with the show and REEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY stretching it out thin. Take last night for example, the only mildly entertaining thing was the chemistry between L&C. THATS IT! Maybe it's just me, but I can't believe these are the same guys that gave us Rosetta, Run, and all those cliffhangers. And people will talk of how Singerman reeks of Donner worship....I think some people need to look at what's right in front of them with an objective view. IF SR, turns out to be a crappy film I'll be happy to say it....just like I really like (d) Smallville. But now, I have no problem saying a lot of it is really just turning me off to future viewings. (Bar season enders or something that really grabs me in the trailer)

Rant over, sorry had to let that out. The movie is a one shot deal they HAVE to get it right. You can't compare that with over 88 hours of a Tv show. We can enjoy certain storylines and not others and still overall enjoy the show. TV shows don't face the same level of scrutiny and criticism. Let's face it Smallville has raised Superman's profile, been a fairly sucessful show and not been overally geeky. The movie is up in the air it could possiblly damage the character. There's just more at stake.

[Pickle-El]

'His face seemed pulled and tense, like he's riding on a motorbike in the strongest winds.'

[Dr.Fear]

More bleh ratings......then again, it's to be expected. More eppy's like Crusade and Run would easily have Smallville in the 6 to mid Million range.

70 years of history you guys, lets use some of it!

And don't get me started on next week's preview...

To go off on a rant for a sec, I SERIOUSLY don't get some of you guys with SR after watching some of the stuff goin on in Smallville. *Some* people won't let Singer get away with a vague history(moot point with some I know) which could really mean anything. Yet, have the gall to call this witch storyline 'fun' and 'entertaining' and looking forward to next week? WTF???? This stuff is getting HORRIBLE...it's going absolutely nowhere. I read some people calling last night's episode really good...I'm sorry but take the Smallville Blinders off for a sec, they are taking whatever liberties they have with the show and REEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY stretching it out thin. Take last night for example, the only mildly entertaining thing was the chemistry between L&C. THATS IT! Maybe it's just me, but I can't believe these are the same guys that gave us Rosetta, Run, and all those cliffhangers. And people will talk of how Singerman reeks of Donner worship....I think some people need to look at what's right in front of them with an objective view. IF SR, turns out to be a crappy film I'll be happy to say it....just like I really like (d) Smallville. But now, I have no problem saying a lot of it is really just turning me off to future viewings. (Bar season enders or something that really grabs me in the trailer)

Rant over, sorry had to let that out.

finally someone who agrees that smallville now sucks.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Serene]

This thread is making my brain hurt.

I just want to say how funny I think it is that I absolutely don't even remember Lois in a green shirt. :)

Lemme take a wild guess... it was a little tight along the bosoms? Kinda hard not to be. ;)

[AgentPat]

The movie is a one shot deal they HAVE to get it right. You can't compare that with over 88 hours of a Tv show. We can enjoy certain storylines and not others and still overall enjoy the show. TV shows don't face the same level of scrutiny and criticism. Let's face it Smallville has raised Superman's profile, been a fairly successful show and not been overly geeky. The movie is up in the air it could possibly damage the character. There's just more at stake.Wow! Excellent! Well said, Lara. :up:

I just want to say how funny I think it is that I absolutely don't even remember Lois in a green shirt. :)Hah! Me too. In complete and all honesty, the only time I ever notice what people are wearing is when Lana is in pink (love to make fun of that), Chloe has some silly flower jewelry or pattern on her blouse (equally funny), Lex is decked out in purple, or when Clark is in his red & blues.

...or when he's shirtless. THAT I sit up for. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

[Serene]

Wow! Excellent! Well said, Lara. :up:

I agree. Nicely said, Lara.


or when Clark is in his red & blues.

Clark in black makes my irises disappear. ;)


...or when he's shirtless. THAT I sit up for. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup.gif

Well... D'uh! Speaking of which.. whatever happened to all the gratuitous nekkid Clark scenes that people were so up in arms about? Dammit.

Isobel seemed to prefer Clark semi-nekkid... hopefully she'll come through for us next week. :D

[AgentPat]

Isobel seemed to prefer Clark semi-nekkid... hopefully she'll come through for us next week.Hah!! I forgot about that. There may be hope for next week's episode after all. :D





J/K ;)

[JcDc]

More bleh ratings......then again, it's to be expected. More eppy's like Crusade and Run would easily have Smallville in the 6 to mid Million range.

70 years of history you guys, lets use some of it!

And don't get me started on next week's preview...

To go off on a rant for a sec, I SERIOUSLY don't get some of you guys with SR after watching some of the stuff goin on in Smallville. *Some* people won't let Singer get away with a vague history(moot point with some I know) which could really mean anything. Yet, have the gall to call this witch storyline 'fun' and 'entertaining' and looking forward to next week? WTF???? This stuff is getting HORRIBLE...it's going absolutely nowhere. I read some people calling last night's episode really good...I'm sorry but take the Smallville Blinders off for a sec, they are taking whatever liberties they have with the show and REEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY stretching it out thin. Take last night for example, the only mildly entertaining thing was the chemistry between L&C. THATS IT! Maybe it's just me, but I can't believe these are the same guys that gave us Rosetta, Run, and all those cliffhangers. And people will talk of how Singerman reeks of Donner worship....I think some people need to look at what's right in front of them with an objective view. IF SR, turns out to be a crappy film I'll be happy to say it....just like I really like (d) Smallville. But now, I have no problem saying a lot of it is really just turning me off to future viewings. (Bar season enders or something that really grabs me in the trailer)

Rant over, sorry had to let that out.


You make valid points, but don't expect to get recognized by some of the more pronounced Smallville apologists. Their idea of a good episode is Clark taking off his shirt. They think Tom Welling is hot, therefor nothing can be wrong with the show. :o

[Serene]

Hah!! I forgot about that. There may be hope for next week's episode after all. :D

J/K ;)

I think it's totally cool that you don't like the Lana/witch storyline, Pat. I have enough respect for your opinion as an intelligent and informed SV fan that I always enjoy reading your viewpoints concerning the show.. whether or not we agree on things. :)

I'm glad we're not a bunch of lemmings in here.. contrary to what some people might think.

[AgentPat]

I think it's totally cool that you don't like the Lana/witch storyline, Pat. I have enough respect for your opinion as an intelligent and informed SV fan that I always enjoy reading your viewpoints concerning the show.. whether or not we agree on things. :)

I'm glad we're not a bunch of lemmings in here.. contrary to what some people might think.Hee! No prob, Serene. The true regs in this forum know each other well enough to know that nobody here thinks the show is perfect. We all have our personal issues with the writing *cough*witch subplot*cough*, the characters *cough*Jason*cough*, and wow, even the actors *cough*KK*cough*. Liking a show doesn't mean we have blind faith to it or its producers *cough*Singerman*cough* Gee, imagine that? ;)

Anyhoo, I'm off to the land of nod. I think I'll run the tape back to see that scene of Lois in the green blouse. It appears to have been a hit with the gents and I just gotta see what all the fuss was about. :D

[triplet]

The movie is a one shot deal they HAVE to get it right. You can't compare that with over 88 hours of a Tv show. We can enjoy certain storylines and not others and still overall enjoy the show. TV shows don't face the same level of scrutiny and criticism. Let's face it Smallville has raised Superman's profile, been a fairly sucessful show and not been overally geeky. The movie is up in the air it could possiblly damage the character. There's just more at stake.

Good onya, errr.... Lara! ;)

:up:

Excellent post.

[Serene]

Good onya, Serene!

:up:

Excellent post.

lol.. I think you meant, Lara. :)

Understandable mistake though.. I think we look a lot alike.. in here at least. ;)

[JcDc]

You do seem like Lara, only difference is... She used to hate me, and you still do :o

[triplet]

lol.. I think you meant, Lara. :)

Understandable mistake though.. I think we look a lot alike.. in here at least. ;)

Ooops... I didn't see the top of the post and forgot who I was replying to....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

Sawwy... Of course I know you're not Lara. :(

[Lara]

You make valid points, but don't expect to get recognized by some of the more pronounced Smallville apologists. Their idea of a good episode is Clark taking off his shirt. They think Tom Welling is hot, therefor nothing can be wrong with the show. :o :confused: You seem to think someone being critical is directly related to being logical. I think it's more a personality style. I don't enjoy being critical and tend to have a very positive, loyal personality. I also don't like to upset people which is why I stopped posting about the movie.That being said when I'm sick of a show I just stop watching for example, X-files and Enterprise. I also tend to have unpopular opinons for example I think MR is just an ok actor and is somewhat effeminite. Just because I don't continually state certain opinons doesn't mean I slavishly love every aspect of the show. I'm not assuming your talking about me but I felt the need to try to explain a different type of fan.

[AgentPat]

...I'm not assuming your talking about me but I felt the need to try to explain a different type of fan.This begs the question... who IS JC referring to? We're ALL highly critical in this forum, some more than others. But that's okay. We're all fans of the show, and we're all pretty damn knowledgeable about it. Some of us actually read the comics too. *ahem* That said, it's re-heeely starting to bug me that so much emphasis is being placed on the fans verses their opinions. It's why I left the Supes' forums; I'm tired of all the BS there.

[AgentPat]

Looks like SV led the WB pack again last week, rating #1 in the 18-34 demo:
"It was status quo at the weblets, with the WB, led by "Smallville" and "Gilmore Girls," topping UPN in adults 18-34 (1.6/5 vs. 1.4/4)."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117918412?categoryid=14&cs=1


Ratings for Wednesday's episode, Sacred, according to MediaWeek:

Overnights:
1. Lost (ABC) (12.6/18)
2. 60 Minutes (CBS) (7.2/11)
3. That '70s Show (FOX) (6.3/ 9) and The Simple Life: Interns (6.2/ 9)
4. Crossing Jordan (NBC) (5.2/ 7)
5. Smallville (WB) (4.3/ 6)
6. The Road to Stardom with Missy Elliott (UPN) (2.6/ 4)

18-49 Demo:
1. Lost (7.5/20)
2. That '70s Show (3.9/10) and The Simple Life: Interns (3.6/ 9)
3. 60 Minutes (2.5/ 6)
4. Smallville (2.2/ 6) (5 million viewers (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=7735247))
5. Crossing Jordan (1.8/ 5)
6. The Road to Stardom with Missy Elliott (1.4/ 4)

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's disturbing to me how many people in thsi country actually watch "The Simple Life".. How a network that launched shows like "The Simpsons", "The X-Files", and "Arested Development" can air crap like that, I'll never understand.. :confused:

[Serene]

Looks like SV led the WB pack again last week, rating #1 in the 18-34 demo:
"It was status quo at the weblets, with the WB, led by "Smallville" and "Gilmore Girls," topping UPN in adults 18-34 (1.6/5 vs. 1.4/4)."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117918412?categoryid=14&cs=1

You should email Craig at K-Site with this and the explanation of why the demo breakdown is so important. He posts the overall viewership ratings weekly, which is great.. but it doesn't give the whole picture. And I think that since his is probably the SV site with the most traffic, it would make the fans there feel better to know that the ratings aren't as dire a situation as they may seem.

[Serene]

It's disturbing to me how many people in thsi country actually watch "The Simple Life"..

I weep for this country when I see how many people watch shows like "The Simple Life."

[jas01724]

Interesting. Gilmore Girls got 5.24m viewers last week, Smallville got 5.26m. (Its highest since Spell, and #8 for the season in terms of overall viewers.)

Yet GG got an overall 3.7/6 and SV got 3.2/5.

It kinda sums up that there's both fewer viewers and less competition on a Tuesday, allowing a higher rating from a smaller viewer-base. In a wacky system where the rating is almost more important that total viewership, that allows GG to, technically, be a more successful show.

If SV had never moved from Tuesdays at 9pm it would probably still have viewers upward of 6.5m - that compared to One Tree Hill getting about 4.25m last week in SV's old slot.

[AgentPat]

It kinda sums up that there's both fewer viewers and less competition on a Tuesday, allowing a higher rating from a smaller viewer-base. In a wacky system where the rating is almost more important that total viewership, that allows GG to, technically, be a more successful show.

If SV had never moved from Tuesdays at 9pm it would probably still have viewers upward of 6.5m - that compared to One Tree Hill getting about 4.25m last week in SV's old slot.But that's what they're looking at. If SV were to be swapped out with GG - or any other WB show for that matter - the replacement *probably* wouldn't do as well as SV has. It's the only skein they have that's strong enough to put up a good fight in that particular time slot - ironic sounding as that is considering the show's premise. LOL

That said, last night's ep was poor, and the ratings reflect it...

On this night of mixed leadership, NBC won Wednesday in the overnights, while the half-hour voting edition of American Idol was enough for Fox to maintain the No. 1 spot in total viewers and adults 18-49. ABC's Lost, as usual, got off to a winning start with a 12.6/19 in the overnights, 18.83 million viewers and a 6.9/19 among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. An 8 p.m. edition of NBC's Dateline featuring an interview with Scott Peterson's sister was on the map, finishing second in the overnights (8.4/14) and total viewers (11.12 million), and third among adults 18-49 (3.3/ 9).

In season-premiere news, America's Next Top Model 4 on UPN got off to a solid start with a 4.5/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 5.21 million viewers (#5) and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#4). Comparatively, that was an advantage over the WB's competing Smallville (Overnights: #6, 3.8/ 6; Viewers: #6, 4.50 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5) of 18 percent in the overnights, 710,000 viewers and 21 percent among adults 18-49. It was also the most-watched Top Model opening to-date, and an improvement from the season-premiere of Top Model 3 in households, viewers, adults 18-34 and adults 18-49. Among adults 18-34, Top Model ranked third in the hour.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were two episodes (original and repeat) of Fox's That '70s Show (Overnights: #3, avg. 5.7/ 8; Viewers: avg. #3, 8.06 million; A18-49: #2, 3.8/10) and 60 Minutes on CBS (Overnights: #4, 5.6/ 8; Viewers: #4, 7.66 million; A18-49: #6, 1.6/ 4).

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 are based on the fast affiliate ratings.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

[jas01724]

But that's what they're looking at.Don't get me wrong, I know that. I know that even though it's not technically The WB's most successful show right now, it's still invaluable to their overall schedule performance.

However.

Most will look at the performance against other shows and say that it's not doing well. Me's just trying to correct that misconception. :)

Smallville (Overnights: #6, 3.8/ 6; Viewers: #6, 4.50 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5)That's not as bad as it sounds; which is of course easy for me to say. :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

I had a feeling last night's rating would be lower, especially with the premeire of Top Model. That show usually dies after it's premeire however, so when we come back on the air in 6 weeks, I wouldnt be too worried about it

[darkzombiemutt]

They do a poor job promoting Smallville.

[RB652]

I had a feeling last night's rating would be lower, especially with the premeire of Top Model. That show usually dies after it's premeire however, so when we come back on the air in 6 weeks, I wouldnt be too worried about it


Actually top model ratings slowly increase especially when the competiton has a few remaining contestants. Dont be too suprise if top models is beating smallville later on as well.

[The Incredible Hulk]

actually according to www.zap2it.com the ratings have gone down for the show each season, and each episode after the premeire with the exception of the finale went down from the previous one, though it's still by far the highest rated show on a terrible network...

[Super_Ludacris]

They do a poor job promoting Smallville.


When your in your 4th Season your audience is established, so there's no need for mass promotion
Plus people aint really checking for a show about Superman. I'm sorry but the reality of it all is, it won't trump an OC or a Lost in that aspect

[Lara]

They hardly advertised Lucy. Plus if they had shown the truck jump in the adds people probably would have tuned in. Even I thought it looked boring.

[darkzombiemutt]

I thought the episode prior to lucy looked awful, yet it was one of the best they've done. Its bad when hardcore fans are put off by the commercials for the show. Someone needs to hire a new advertising staff.

[AgentPat]

Excerpt from the futon critic:
(Definitely read the whole article though - it's quite interesting)

...one of the strongest messages we've tried to get across in our Nielsen Ratings analysis over the years is that a show's overall rank doesn't really matter in the long run. The key is to "help" the network, or rather improve its time period performance. Nobody is expecting every new show to be a top 10 hit, they simply want to see it build on what's come before.

WEDNESDAYS - The addition of ABC's "Lost" as competition didn't give as harsh a bruise to "Smallville's" ratings in the Wednesday, 8:00/7:00c hour as expected, with the series off a manageable 8.95%. That means there's little reason to think "Smallville" won't stay put next season as the lead-in to a new drama.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/gofuton.cgi?action=rant&id=20050317

The "new drama" will probably be "Supernatural." If so, I think The WB might have finally found the magic elixir for Wednesday nights. Oh, and it seems rather obvious at this point that SV's fifth season is probably a lock. :D

***********************

In other news, waz dis mean? Are they referring to this season, or next season?

On Smallville, Kevin is a hottie who can erase people's memories.

http://www.filmjerk.com/new/article1229.html

On that same page, notice the poll about what voters think will be the biggest film this summer. There are currently 516 votes (not a big sample by any stretch), but the big winner is Star Wars with 37.91%. BB is currently at 7.35%. Hmmm... Interesting.

[Serene]

In other news, waz dis mean? Are they referring to this season, or next season?

On Smallville, Kevin is a hottie who can erase people's memories.

http://www.filmjerk.com/new/article1229.html

That's weird. I believe they are referring to the upcoming new ep, "Blank" where the FOTW is named Kevin.. but in what context they are mentioning it, I can't figure out. It's like they forgot a sentence to go with it!

[KikiDee]

They do a poor job promoting Smallville.


I agree with you. I think they are trying to wind Smallville down because they have definitely done better in the past.

I watch because it's set on my cable box and wouldn't miss it if there were a toronado a brewing. I love Tom and the crew that much. I think the WB bigwigs suck and don't don't know crap from a hole in the ground. We need new top execs......they get paid too much and suck the life out of good storylines.

Thank God I don't work for them if I did I'd tell them something not so polite.
Of course, I have to also think of the poor actors having to endure significantly higher pay than I as a school teacher, they might want to go on to even higher outrageous pay as feature film actors. Hey, if I could I would, but alas I am one of the unfortunate many that will go undiscovered because of our not so "Hollywood Looks". :D

[AgentPat]

I've been keeping track of the show's repeat ratings just for the helluvit. They're down substantially, but it's to be expected when going up against other shows that are NOT showing repeats (Lost, America's Next Top Model, etc.) The 8pm slot has been taking a beating, which as I say, is not unexpected. What IS interesting however, is how the REPEAT episodes have been doing in the 9pm slot.

Here's an excerpt from yesterday's ratings report at MediaWeek (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp):

...a repeat of the WB's Smallville was last in the [8pm] hour with a 2.3/ 4 in the overnights, 2.73 million viewers and a 1.2/ 3 among adults 18-49.

In the battle of the low-rated 9-10 p.m. drama repeats, another episode of the WB's Smallville (Overnights: #5, 2.3/ 4; Viewers: #5, 2.76 million; A18-49: #5, 1.1/ 3) outdelivered UPN's Kevin Hill (Overnights: #6, 1.7/ 2; Viewers: #6, 2.03 million; A18-49: #6, 1.0/ 2) by 35 percent in the overnights, 730,000 viewers and 10 percent among adults 18-49.
Coming in 5th is no major accomplishment, but it's a repeat, and it's been beating Kevin Hill! (I don't expect KH to be renewed, btw.) If repeats of Jack&Bobby were still airing, KH would have trounced it.

Now I know airing two episode of SV back to back isn't anything new, but it goes to show WHY The WB does it. Even repeats put up against weaker shows still win in the ratings. The more I see this get proved week after week, the more utterly amazed I'll be if SV is NOT renewed for a 5th season. Just sayin'.

[RakuMon]

Some interesting tidbits from a USA TODAY article about keeping shows on the air:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-04-12-sos-story_x.htm

Once trigger-happy networks have become more patient with struggling shows that show potential. One Tree Hill appeared DOA last season before blossoming into a WB hit. Reilly is a fan of Committed, a romantic comedy that he thinks could flourish given the right time slot. And WB has shown unusual faith in Jack & Bobby, which has struggled mightily in two tough time slots, averaging 2.3 million viewers — low even by that network's modest standards.

WB
Renewed (or a shoo-in)
Charmed

Everwood

Gilmore Girls

One Tree Hill

Reba

7th Heaven

Smallville

What I Like About You

[RakuMon]

Overnights for Wed. 4.13:

NBC won the 8 p.m. hour, drawing a 7.4/12 with a "Dateline" special on "The Da Vinci Code." ABC's "Lost" rerun was second at 6.9/11. CBS took third with "60 Minutes," although "The Simple Life 3," 3.9/7, and the premiere of Pamela Anderson's comedy "Stacked," 5.0/8, averaged more total viewers for FOX. "America's Next Top Model," 3.6/6, put UPN in fifth, ahead of The WB's "Smallville."

Why don't they give SV's numbers?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville was preempted by basketball and baseball in a few key markets so the ratings data is really incomplete... The one's up on K-Site arent really accurate because of that

[NHawk19]

Damn individual stations and their quest for ratings via sports. Dont they know that's why god invented ESPN.

[Xzio]

I think they refered to the show as fading, because of what it used to get in the ratings.

During the first season, Smallville pulled in 6-7 million viewers an episode.

During the second season, it pulled in between 7-8 million viewers an episode, with an all time high of just over nine million for Rosetta.

Now when you compare the ratings, Smallville is practically only getting half of what it used to. While the ratings are still decent for a WB show, there has been a considerable decline from when the show was at its peak, popularity wise.


I thiink that has more to do with the WB moving Smallville from Tuesday nights where it dominated pretty well to Wednesday nights where it faces stiff competition from American Idol and Lost. The WB always seems to do things like that with their shows.

[Lara]

Another problem is Smallville is only advertised like most shows on it's own network. Since the Wb has a low amount of viewers in general it's easy to miss when the new episodes start. For anyone with the info are the Lex centered episodes lower rated? I think I remeber Bound being a problem also.

[AgentPat]

Hmm... well, here's the prelims. SV info in red. Other relevant info in bold...

At 8 p.m., a repeat of ABC's Lost remained at competitive option with a 7.2/12 in the overnights (#1), 9.84 million viewers (#1) and a 3.1/10 among adults 18-49 (#2), while America's Next Top Model on UPN certainly did not disappoint at a 4.2/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 4.23 million viewers (#5) and a 1.9/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#4). Last in the hour was the WB's Smallville, with a 3.8/ 6 in the overnights, 4.14 million viewers and a 1.7/ 6 among adults 18-49.

At 9 p.m., and trailing Fox's American Idol and NBC's Revelations, were CBS comedies King of Queens (Overnights: #3t, 6.1/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.25 million; A18-49: #4, 2.9/ 7) and Yes, Dear (Overnights: #2, 6.5/ 9; Viewers: #2, 9.04 million; A18-49: #4, 3.2/ 8), ABC's overrated Alias (Overnights: #4, 6.2/ 9; Viewers: #4, 8.36 million; A18-49: #3, 3.2/ 8), a repeat of UPN's Kevin Hill (Overnights: #5, 2.1/ 3; Viewers: #5, 2.54 million; A18-49: #5, 1.1/ 3), and Jack & Bobby on the WB (Overnights: #6, 1.9/ 3; Viewers: #6, 2.07 million; A18-49: #6, 0.8/ 2). Considering the magnitude of stars appearing on season (or series) finale of Jack & Bobby on May 11 (see below), the critically acclaimed but minimally seen drama will certainly be going out in style.

The WB in May:
Programming Items of Note

With the start of the May sweep just one week away, here is what you will be seeing on the WB:

Season Finales:
-Jack & Bobby: Wednesday, May 11, 9 p.m. ET (could be the series ender)
-Gilmore Girls: Tuesday, May 17, 8 p.m. ET
-Smallville: Wednesday, May 18, 8 p.m. ET (90-minutes, and featuring 8-minutes of footage from upcoming theatrical, Batman Begins.
-What I Like About You: Friday, May 20, 8 p.m. ET (could be the series ender)
-Reba: Friday, May 20, 9 p.m. ET
-Charmed: Sunday, May 22, 8 p.m. ET
-7th Heaven: Monday, May 23, 8 p.m. ET
-Everwood: Monday, May 23, 9 p.m. ET
-One Tree Hill: Tuesday, May 24 (two hours)

Specials
-The Ron White Show: Thursday, April 28, 8:30 p.m. ET
-Mobile Home Disaster: Thursday, April 28, 9 p.m. ET

Guest Stars:
-Tim Robbins, Lou Diamond Phillips, Gore Vidal and Norman Lear on Jack & Bobby, Wednesday, May 11, 9 p.m. ET
-Luke Perry (Beverly Hills, 90210) on What I Like About You, Friday, May 13, 8 p.m. ET

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

[triplet]

Another problem is Smallville is only advertised like most shows on it's own network. Since the Wb has a low amount of viewers in general it's easy to miss when the new episodes start. For anyone with the info are the Lex centered episodes lower rated? I think I remeber Bound being a problem also.

Memoria, I believe, was one of the lowest rated eps ever and it was one of the best.

Onyx was sooo good, too bad people came back to see Spirit. They probably won't be back to see Blank after last night's ep.

[AgentPat]

Memoria, I believe, was one of the lowest rated eps ever and it was one of the best.

Onyx was sooo good, too bad people came back to see Spirit. They probably won't be back to see Blank after last night's ep.Not if DTS is anything to go by. They almost ALL LOVED it. I'm slackjawed. One person said it was better than Memoria. Did I see the same episode everybody else did last night? I'm really starting to wonder. The Clana bit at the end was nice and all, but is THAT the reason they're all gushing? Really? :confused:

Hey, I'm GLAD folks liked it, but I was thinking like you, Trip. With the recent news of the BB trailer, I thought there might be some more viewers (read: comic book fans) tuning in last night for the helluvit. It DEFINITELY was NOT an episode I'd recommend to folks to turn them on to the show. Well, not unless they were fourteen or thereabouts LOL.

[The Incredible Hulk]

WB really needs just to get rid of "Jack and Bobby", I mean it's gotten worse ratings than "Birds of Prey". The producer of that show must have pictures of the WB head cheating on hsi wife or something, it's just not happening for that show... As much as "Angel" bored me to tears, at least it brought a bit of an audience with it to Smallville. WB needs to smarten up and get another watchable genre show and pair it with Smallville, and not that thing with "Mr. No screen Personality" Jensen Ackles either...

[triplet]

Not if DTS is anything to go by. They almost ALL LOVED it. I'm slackjawed. One person said it was better than Memoria. Did I see the same episode everybody else did last night? I'm really starting to wonder. The Clana bit at the end was nice and all, but is THAT the reason they're all gushing? Really? :confused:

Hey, I'm GLAD folks liked it, but I was thinking like you, Trip. With the recent news of the BB trailer, I thought there might be some more viewers (read: comic book fans) tuning in last night for the helluvit. It DEFINITELY was NOT an episode I'd recommend to folks to turn them on to the show. Well, not unless they were fourteen or thereabouts LOL.

The Clana set were all totally satisfied with the dance at the end, it was sweet and romantic and with Jason watching sets up some conflict for later, nice touch by the scribe, Luke Schelhaas. And the Lifehouse song was perfect. However, that didn't make up for the rest.

I'm going to give it only about middling grade. As fun as it was, it also had some serious plot holes....

I'm going to have to watch it again before I review it.

[darkzombiemutt]

The one thing about this episode was that I thought everyone in it acted very well. In fact, I actually liked Lana in it. I normally cant stand her. But she was good as Lana and good as the possessed prom queen wannabe.
The one thing I thought was funny, but wasnt meant to be was after possesed chloe punches Pa Kent and he tumbles down the stairs, Clark shows up and Jonathan says, "Chloe isn't acting like herself" He gets punched in the face, falls down stairs and all he has to say is, "Chloe isn't acting like herself"? Come on. I actually laughed. I was like, WTF?!? Whatever though, it doesnt matter really, I would have expected more of a reaction then that though.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL she didnt just punch him, she basically hit him with the butt end of an axe.... :D But hey Jonathan's a pretty tough guy, I mean after all he did shirk off a gun shot from just last week. :D

[darkzombiemutt]

lmao, thats right, I guess falling down stairs is nothing compared to a bullet wound. Im suprised the show doesnt have higher ratings, seeing as how there are apprently 2 men of steel in the show

[The Sage]

lmao, thats right, I guess falling down stairs is nothing compared to a bullet wound. Im suprised the show doesnt have higher ratings, seeing as how there are apprently 2 men of steel in the show

Of course, the majority of the public doesn't know that. Around this time last year, barely anyone in the public knew about Batman Begins.

[AgentPat]

Of course, the majority of the public doesn't know that. Around this time last year, barely anyone in the public knew about Batman Begins.Sage, buddy, I think you missed the joke. :p :D

[triplet]

Sage, buddy, I think you missed the joke. :p :D


Yeah, he did!

LOL!

:D

[Lara]

Memoria, I believe, was one of the lowest rated eps ever and it was one of the best.

Onyx was sooo good, too bad people came back to see Spirit. They probably won't be back to see Blank after last night's ep.
I think the general audience isn't as enamored of Lex as the online comunity. Is something really special going on with the Model show? :confused: Their ratings have increased right? It's not just Smallville going down is it?

[Lara]

Another question do most shows decline in ratings over a period of years? I'm thinking it might be a natural decline peoples attention spans are notoriously short. It would be interesting to compare ratings for other shows in their 4th + season with thier inital ratings or ratings peak.

[Serene]

Not if DTS is anything to go by. They almost ALL LOVED it. I'm slackjawed. One person said it was better than Memoria. Did I see the same episode everybody else did last night? I'm really starting to wonder. The Clana bit at the end was nice and all, but is THAT the reason they're all gushing? Really? :confused:

I loved it, but I wouldn't put it in the same ballpark as Memoria. The Clana was Primo for the series though, so that does score bigtime points on my list of all time favorite eps. The rest of the ep was just fun to watch. Remember, we all come to this show with different expectations and desires. I sorta like everything. :) I love the Supes stuff, I love the characters, I love the drama, and I love it when they stray off the path and get a little campy. There are a few things I really don't like, but I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to my favorite show.

[AgentPat]

I think the general audience isn't as enamored of Lex as the online comunity...This is a tough one. I know very few people who watch SV and are NOT also big into the Internet - or at least don't participate in SV/Superman-related message boards. One person is my mom. She's 66 and started watching SV because of my suggestion and because she grew up reading comic books. Currently though, I think she only watches it now for one reason: TW. (I kid you not. Hey, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, doncha know? LOL) The other person is my husband. He could care less about the comic book tie-ins; he just LOVES Lex, and to a lesser extent Lionel. So it's a 50/50 split among the folks I know off-line.

Another question do most shows decline in ratings over a period of years? I'm thinking it might be a natural decline peoples attention spans are notoriously short. It would be interesting to compare ratings for other shows in their 4th + season with their initial ratings or ratings peak.This is another tough question because the reasons for a show's improvement or decline are not always the same. Plus, the network it's on plays a key role.

Northern Exposure, for example, aired 110 episode over the course of six seasons. It started as a summer replacement show in 1990 with only 8 episodes. It got a great response. CBS was blind sided by its popularity, but thought it was a fluke, so they tested the waters by ordering seven more episodes for a 2nd season. Bingo bango, people LOVED it - and the ratings proved it. So CBS did a most unprecedented act and ordered not one, but TWO FULL seasons of the show. That's pretty rare folks. By the fourth season, even popular clothing manufactures were being influenced by demand for "NX" related clothes: flannel, plaid (too funny!) and moose motifs. But then things got weird. CBS moved the show from the time slot it had OWNED for two years (Mondays at 10p) to a new one - probably to shore up a much weaker night. The plan backfired, apparently. By the fifth season, ratings were starting to dip and nobody was really able to explain why. Then the bottom dropped out. The star of the show, Rob Morrow left to pursue a features career in the series' sixth season. Everybody hated his replacement because the dynamic between characters was no longer there. The show was canceled during the shooting of the finale episode. It was a sad day for cast, crew, and fans. So who's fault was it? CBS for moving time slots? Morrow for leaving the show? The writers for not compensating with a *good* replacement character? Or did viewers just grow tired of the show after six years? Meh. Who knows? Probably a combination of all the above.

I loved it, but I wouldn't put it in the same ballpark as Memoria. The Clana was Primo for the series though, so that does score bigtime points on my list of all time favorite eps. The rest of the ep was just fun to watch. Remember, we all come to this show with different expectations and desires. I sorta like everything. :) I love the Supes stuff, I love the characters, I love the drama, and I love it when they stray off the path and get a little campy. There are a few things I really don't like, but I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to my favorite show.Oh, trust me, I'm as forgiving as they come. SV IS my favorite show, bar none. And ANY opportunity to see Clark blissed out like he was at the end is wicked fine by me LOL. If anything, I was just bummed Lana didn't plant one on him. I mean, come ON now! Wouldn't YOU?! Hello? She's just dumb. DUMB I tell ya.

*ahem*

Sorry - some things bother me more than others. LOL Iz one of the reasons why I liked Alicia so much. She saw something she wanted and made sure she got it. That's my girl. ;)

[Serene]

If anything, I was just bummed Lana didn't plant one on him. I mean, come ON now! Wouldn't YOU?!

You're not really asking ME a question like that? Moi? You should know that if that had been me, as soon as that dance was over the rating on the show would have been updated to NC-17!
*ahem* indeed! ;)

Sorry - some things bother me more than others. LOL Iz one of the reasons why I liked Alicia so much. She saw something she wanted and made sure she got it. That's my girl. ;)

Yeah, psycho nutjobs are always pretty good about that. :p
Although I will always be grateful to dear departed Alicia for the lovely scenes she left us with...

[HillValley85]

Aren't ratings reported by different people, is it possible that Smallville has a higher spot on Wednesday.

[AgentPat]

In case folks were curious...

The WB's 90-minute season finale of "Smallville" was solid (2.5/7 in 18-49, 5.47m) despite opposing "Lost" and "Idol."http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117923208&c=1275

[Lara]

Ok here's the end of the year round up from EW Smallville 4.3/118 in 18-49/ down 14. It is tied with Everwood and one Tree Hill but still beats everyone but Gilmore Girls in the key demo. Girlmore Girls is 4.7/106. The highest rated 7th Heaven is 5.3/ 123. So it appears that Smallville is the third highest rated overall and second in overall demo's not just male viewers.Not bad considering the horrible competiton it had =)

[Lara]

Ok to add more here's how next years competiton preformed this past year. The OC 7.0/60 down 28. Alias 10.4/34 up 21. Joey 10.1/34

[triplet]

Here are this week's ratings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/mediaweek/20050715/ad_bpimw/primetimethursdayratingscbsstandsheadandshouldersa bovetherest;_ylt=AkZIjOciYyXLLQs3vzdu_09xFb8C;_ylu =X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)... Yikes.

A repeat of the WB's Smallville moved into its new fall time period with a last-place 1.7/ 3 in the overnights, 1.66 million viewers and a 0.7/ 2 among adults 18-49..... Opposite Survivor this fall, Smallville would be wise to start packing!

This bodes ill, methinks.

[Sioux]

I think once the WWF Smackdown moves to Fridays, the ratings will change a little. I've been looking at the ratings for Thursday's for the past few weeks since I heard Smallville was moving, and Smackdown was usually the 2nd highest rated show for that timeslot (even beating out NBC, ABC and FOX). As the #1 show for men, I think SV's biggest competition was Smackdown, not the OC. Frankly, SV is NEVER going to beat Survivor and probably not most of the big four networks, but if it can consistently beat UPN and bring in decent demographics, we'll be fine.

I can't imagine why any major media outlets would start commenting on ratings for a new timeslot this early in the game. For one thing, this isn't the actual line-up, and for another, it's all repeats (and actually repeats of repeats in the case of SV).

We'll have to wait and see. No need to fret yet.

[Joaqenix]

Haha...I don't think anyone with half a brain ever thought Smallville would have any chance of beating Survivor in the ratings, but it has lots of other tough competition as well. Survivor, Smallville, The O.C., and Alias, are all younger skewing shows.

I still the WB is smoking something fierce to think that moving Smallville to Thursdays at 8 was a good idea. Thursdays at 8 is THE most competitive time slot on network television every single year. It was pretty bold for the WB to move Smallville and Everwood to Thursday nights, but I doubt they'll keep them there for long.

[avidreader]

I can't imagine why any major media outlets would start commenting on ratings for a new timeslot this early in the game. For one thing, this isn't the actual line-up, and for another, it's all repeats (and actually repeats of repeats in the case of SV).


Appears quite a ridiculous comment considering it is off season and iSmallville's 18-34 viewing audience are probably mostly away on vacation somewhere. I wonder how the ratio of the other networks compared to their usual ratings.

Whilst reading articles like that are disconcerting, I would think that the WB would only be concerned if come Fall they were still having bad ratings.

Lets hope the WB can pull their socks up and do some decent advertising of their programs as well.

I'm not that good at reading these things but it looks like it was fairly comparable to the O.C. I would imagine WB would be happy with that and to be fair it was its first time airing at that time. How did it do the night before?

[Super_Ludacris]

Haha...I don't think anyone with half a brain ever thought Smallville would have any chance of beating Survivor in the ratings, but it has lots of other tough competition as well. Survivor, Smallville, The O.C., and Alias, are all younger skewing shows.

I still the WB is smoking something fierce to think that moving Smallville to Thursdays at 8 was a good idea. Thursdays at 8 is THE most competitive time slot on network television every single year. It was pretty bold for the WB to move Smallville and Everwood to Thursday nights, but I doubt they'll keep them there for long.


meh.........guys it's the last season anyway so what have they got to lose?

[AgentPat]

Excerpt from:
http://www.brandrepublic.com/bulletins/digital/article/486717/tivo-does-volte-face-ad-skipping-new-interactive-services/

TiVo does volte face on ad skipping with new interactive services
by Staff Brand Republic 19 Jul 2005

The new services will mean that viewers are now able to send their personal information directly to advertisers, choosing which products and services they are interested in. ...

As part of the development, TiVo has signed a deal with General Motors and the WB Television Network. ...

The WB Television Network, which makes shows including 'Charmed' and 'Smallville', will use the new technology to screen promotions for upcoming shows. The promotional ads will allow users to press the green "thumbs-up" button on the TiVo remote, to programme it to record a single episode or the full season of a show.
With technology like this - where viewers can send their personal preferences about what they like and watch DIRECTLY to advertisers - Nielsen ratings will becoming less and less important in the future.

[TheStrider]

5th season is the last season? That makes me sad.

[triplet]

No, it's not certain... They have a plan for up to seven seasons.

I think a lot of people are assuming that once SR is out then Smallville must stop.

I don't know why people are thinking that because everyone involved in both the movie and with Smallville have said the two universes are seperate.... They can co-exist.

[TheStrider]

I sure hope they do, Smallville is my favorite show of all-time.

[Serene]

Smallville is relocating this fall to what is becoming the most contentious hour of the week, 8 p.m. Thursday. In addition to incumbents Survivor, The O.C. and Joey/Will & Grace, ABC has shifted Alias into the time slot and UPN has scheduled the most promising newcomer of the season there, Everybody Hates Chris.

Are we worried? Damn.. could it be up against any stiffer competition?

[TheStrider]

Erm, Smallville ownz them all!

[triplet]

That's pretty stiff competition...

[TheStrider]

With that type of competition it won't get near the rating it usually would, which means it might be less likely for more seasons. Not cool.

[Spider-Gamer]

That's pretty stiff competition...
I have to agree.

[AgentPat]

Are we worried? Damn.. could it be up against any stiffer competition?The "trick" with this sort of thing is, read the posts in general newsgroups and see what people are saying. Here's a long thread in rec.arts.tv:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/browse_frm/thread/216bf8e21101bf65/

It starts out specific to James Marsters' casting, and then goes all over the place. Interesting read. Here's a few excerpts:

<snip all the posts about how Alias has jumped the shark>

Post #34: "So "Smallville" is up against "Suvivor 27" <yawn>, "Joey" (I know how much you can't miss *that*!), "The O.C." (ditto), and the new UPN Chris Rock-inspired sitcom. IOW, "Smallville" has a 'clear shot' with this viewer. :) "

#35: "What? You would watch Smallville over The O.C.? Who are you and what have you done with the real ijball?"

#36: "Yes. It's not even very close, surprisingly.

"Smallville" is a show I don't take even remotely seriously and, as a result, I have a heck of a lot of fun with it. :)

It's simple - like "One Tree Hill" before it (which, ironically, I'll actually be *forced* to watch this Fall - because it has *zero* timeslot competition!), "The O.C." showed me in season #2 that the people behind it have no clear idea what they're doing.

"The O.C.'s" writers are clearly making it up as they go along, without so much as even a season-long storyarc in hand.

So, again, like OTH, they throw a quickly rotating series of guest stars at us, in the vain hope that we won't see that there's no "there" there. (And, with all these casting announcements for the new seasons of both "The O.C." and "One Tree Hill", it's clear neither show has learned its lesson.)

"The O.C." ends up a little better in comparison to OTH, because the former is a 'dialogue-driven' show (so the plot details tend to get obscured somewhat by the witty banter), while the latter is all plot-driven (and, so, when the plot goes "bad", it takes all of OTH down with it!).

Anyway, after season #2, my 'rose-colored glasses' are off in regards to "The O.C."

I'd probably watch it if it were up against light timeslot competition.

But this Fall it ain't, so I ain't watching it!"

[triplet]

Here's an interesting article on the fight for Thursday night ratings and includes comments on why The WB moved two of its bigger shows (Smallville, Everwood) there:


http://www.detnews.com/2005/screens/0507/29/0ent-261290.htm

Here's the important bit that touches on their reasoning for committing what looks to be ratings suicide (Smallville came in dead last (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7c96646%7c1%7c,00.html)night, btw...):


It's unlikely all these competitors will live to see a season beyond 2005-2006. Some may scurry for a safer time slot sooner rather than later. But all the networks are willing to give Thursday a shot for one simple reason: big money.

"From an economic standpoint ... it's because it is the day before movies open," said Garth Ancier, chairman of The WB.

With films opening Friday, movie studios routinely buy ad time Thursday night. All the networks gun for young viewers, because they're the target audience of most movies today. Thursday is useful for other advertisers, Ancier said, because it's the night "before people make their spending decisions of where they're going to shop this weekend. Thursday has long been the most important night in terms of advertising dollars.

Is it surprising that everybody wants to be competitive on that night? Not at all."

The WB expects to increase its ratings in the time period, even though ratings for individual shows, including "Everwood" at 9 p.m. Thursday, are likely to decline from what the shows garnered in their previous time slots.

"Do they have to perform at exactly the same levels?

No," said David Janollari, Entertainment president of The WB.

[triplet]

Yet another article on the perils of Thursday night programming, this one from Rednova (http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=213110&source=r_technology) had this to say about The WB's decision to move Smallville and Everwood:


Even The WB, which has never enjoyed much success on Thursday, aggressively moved two popular series to the evening - "Smallville" at 8 p.m., followed by family drama "Everwood."


" 'Smallville' and 'Everwood' have loyal audiences, audiences that go to a lot of movies," explains WB Entertainment president David Janollari, "and the thought was to go after some of that movie (advertising) money on Thursdays." So far, however, summer repeats of those programs haven't found sizable audiences in their new time slots.


See the entire article here:


http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=213110&source=r_technology

[Max]

That's because they're repeats of repeats of repeats. I'm a huge Smallville fan, but even I have not been watching the repeats on Wed and Thurs; I've already seen them, both on TV, during their second run showing, AND I have them on tape.

They can't determine anything until the new season starts. I'm glad they moved the "Smackdown." That would have been the toughest competition for Smallville. My only concern, at the moment, is that the UPN show with Chris Rock, which is going to be airing in SV's timeslot and is getting good buzz, is going to air a week BEFORE Smallville's premiere.

We'll have to wait and see come September.

[triplet]

Mmmmm... I've been watching them anyway, even ones I don't particularly like, because there is always something of interest in a Smallville episode...

Like last night's episode was Bound, which I loathed, but there was some great scenes between Clark and Lionel and Clark and Lex... Great acting and great dialogue, even if the story totally sucked.

[Max]

I usually watch the repeats also, but it's been a busy, crazy summer. I'm just saying I don't put much weight into the ratings for the summer, especially since some of the airings are double-repeats.

[AgentPat]

More on the time slot change...


Question: Why in the world did the WB move "Smallville'' and "Everwood'' to Thursday nights, where the competition is so strong?

Answer: The same reason ABC put "Alias'' and the remake of "The Night Stalker'' on Thursdays, UPN shuffled in its new and very hot "Everybody Hates Chris'' and Fox scheduled one of its big new shows, "Reunion,'' after "The O.C.'' that same night.

While none of those networks thinks it can challenge CBS's powerhouse Thursday lineup, they all see viewers (particularly younger viewers) to be had, now that NBC's schedule is no longer must-see TV. There's also big money to be made if a show gets even halfway decent ratings -- as "The O.C.'' did last year -- because Thursday is the night when the Hollywood studios pour millions into advertising their new films.

In other words, a show such as "Smallville'' could make more money for its network by drawing a smaller audience on Thursdays than it would by playing to more people elsewhere in the week.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/entertainment/television/12440840.htm


Something to keep in mind. :D

[RakuMon]

By the by, anybody catch the latest ish of EW?
Their Fall Movie preview gives a little rundown for each of the hotly contested nights.
For their Thursday night analysis, the mag focused (naturally) on the 8PM battle. While predicting Survivor would take the crown (no surprise there), they also gave a shout out to the "underdog" claiming Smallville will be Seth Cohen's "kryptonite."
It looks like the night will break down like this:

1. Survivor
2. Joey? (Even this is debatable.)
3. - 6. is up for grabs between Alias, Everybody Hates Chris, the OC and Smallville.

[Max]

From what I've read, and correct me if I'm wrong, even if Smallville pulls in less viewers than last year, if the ratings for the WB in the 8:00pm timeslot is the highest it's ever been (even at say 3.5) for the network, the move would be considered a success, correct? My worry at the moment is UPN's Chris; it's getting alot of good buzz.

It will be interesting to see how the OC's ratings are tonight?

[triplet]

That's true... even if Smallville's viewership goes down it might still be considered a win because of the extra ad dollars generated on thursdays because of movies opening on Friday.

All those "Opening tomorrow" ads for films bring in big bucks for Thursday TV shows. Likely another factor is that there are a lot of genre films coming out this fall, so look for ads for the Sci-Fi and horror films to be placed with Smallville or possibly Alias rather than with The OC or Joey....

[Max]

Thanks Trip! I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Smallville produces some good numbers for the WB or at least what they are hoping to see. It appears we are going to be getting so much this season: Supervillans, superpowers, Lex/Clark dynamic, the FOS, ect.)

[triplet]

I think this is promising to be the best season yet!

I just hope the more casual viewers catch onto this fact and tune in again letting Smallville improve on what it did last year despite landing in an even tougher timeslot.

:up:

[Max]

You know what's interesting, and I don't want to appear to be trolling, but alot of the complaints on the SR forum is what they state will be lacking in the new film, and yet the things Superman fans want to see is exactly what we are getting in Smallville this year: More villians - Brainiac, the Kryptonian villans, and of course Lex. Special effects and hopefully, some new powers. We'll see Aquaman, which should be fun. We'll see the FOS finally. I can't wait to see how that fortress builds itself!

Maybe that will help lure in additional Superman fans, perhaps those that have not yet discovered Smallville (is that possible?)

[triplet]

The Smallville fans have been complaining about the same things, btw.

So, Millar and Gough are obviously listening to what fans want and some people still aren't happy.

(I was just over on the planet (http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=5525), btw... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)

Yikes.

Let's just say I'm glad to stay over here most of the time.. ;) :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Normally I dont like to lower myself to the level of some of the mental midgets over there, but that one particular one who has what we call "diarhea of the mouth" needed to be put in his place. Plus sometimes it's fun just to argue ;)

[AgentPat]

...the things Superman fans want to see is exactly what we are getting in Smallville this year: More villains - Brainiac, the Kryptonian villains, and of course Lex. Special effects and hopefully, some new powers. We'll see Aquaman, which should be fun. We'll see the FOS finally...Apparently, such laments haven't gone unnoticed, and certain mild-mannered individuals with clear goals who are also lucky enough to be in decision-making positions have adjusted various story and character elements in an effort to move things along, and maybe convert a few non-believers in the process.

<-- Loves run-on sentences.

;)

[avidreader]

Apparently, such laments haven't gone unnoticed, and certain mild-mannered individuals with clear goals who are also lucky enough to be in decision-making positions have adjusted various story and character elements in an effort to move things along, and maybe convert a few non-believers in the process.

<-- Loves run-on sentences.

;)

Are you referring to our boy? :rolleyes:

[triplet]

Here's a rundown on one media outlet (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050911-9999-lz1c11battles.html)'s thinking on the competition on thursdays at 8/7 Central:

THE MUST-SEE SMACKDOWN

"Alias" (ABC), "Everybody Hates Chris" (UPN), "The O.C." (Fox), "Will & Grace" (NBC)

The Time: Thursdays at 8 p.m.

The Contenders: "Alias" (ABC); "Survivor: Guatemala" (CBS); "Joey" and "Will & Grace" (NBC); "The O.C." (Fox); "Everybody Hates Chris" and "Eve" (UPN); "Smallville" (WB).

The Media Melee: With "Joey" flailing and "Will & Grace" wheezing into its last season, competition for NBC's must-see cachet is ferocious. The safe money is on the mighty "Survivor" franchise, but Chris Rock's brash "Everybody Hates Chris" could deliver big laughs and stiff competition, while Jennifer Garner's real-life pregnancy could inspire the tabloid rubberneckers to join the faithful for their weekly "Alias" drool-fest. The bloom is off the "O.C." beauties, which could mean more fresh eyeballs for "Smallville."

Viewing Strategy: Multitaskers can record "Alias," watch "Everybody Hates Chris" and skip over to "Survivor" in time for elimination campfire. Superman needs all the ratings' help he can get, so anyone on the "Smallville"/ "O.C." fence should watch the former and tape the latter. The rest of us can read the Television Without Pity recaps. Everyone can skip "Joey" and "Will & Grace."

[avidreader]

Here's a rundown on one media outlet (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050911-9999-lz1c11battles.html)'s thinking on the competition on thursdays at 8/7 Central:

THE MUST-SEE SMACKDOWN

"Alias" (ABC), "Everybody Hates Chris" (UPN), "The O.C." (Fox), "Will & Grace" (NBC)

The Time: Thursdays at 8 p.m.

The Contenders: "Alias" (ABC); "Survivor: Guatemala" (CBS); "Joey" and "Will & Grace" (NBC); "The O.C." (Fox); "Everybody Hates Chris" and "Eve" (UPN); "Smallville" (WB).

The Media Melee: With "Joey" flailing and "Will & Grace" wheezing into its last season, competition for NBC's must-see cachet is ferocious. The safe money is on the mighty "Survivor" franchise, but Chris Rock's brash "Everybody Hates Chris" could deliver big laughs and stiff competition, while Jennifer Garner's real-life pregnancy could inspire the tabloid rubberneckers to join the faithful for their weekly "Alias" drool-fest. The bloom is off the "O.C." beauties, which could mean more fresh eyeballs for "Smallville."

Viewing Strategy: Multitaskers can record "Alias," watch "Everybody Hates Chris" and skip over to "Survivor" in time for elimination campfire. Superman needs all the ratings' help he can get, so anyone on the "Smallville"/ "O.C." fence should watch the former and tape the latter. The rest of us can read the Television Without Pity recaps. Everyone can skip "Joey" and "Will & Grace."

Whoever wrote that doesnt really seem to know what he wants to watch other than not watching Joey & Will & Grace. Weird!

[triplet]

Whoever wrote that doesnt really seem to know what he wants to watch other than not watching Joey & Will & Grace. Weird!

I'm thinking the writer doesn't know what to think...

The ball is totally up in the air on that timeslot, aside from Survivor winning the slot there are no givens there.

[avidreader]

I'm thinking the writer doesn't know what to think...

The ball is totally up in the air on that timeslot, aside from Survivor winning the slot there are no givens there.

I wouldnt be surprised to see some viewers getting a little bored with Survivor too. I saw an article from one critique who called it a snorathon.

[Super_Ludacris]

Here's a rundown on one media outlet (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050911-9999-lz1c11battles.html)'s thinking on the competition on thursdays at 8/7 Central:

THE MUST-SEE SMACKDOWN

"Alias" (ABC), "Everybody Hates Chris" (UPN), "The O.C." (Fox), "Will & Grace" (NBC)

The Time: Thursdays at 8 p.m.

The Contenders: "Alias" (ABC); "Survivor: Guatemala" (CBS); "Joey" and "Will & Grace" (NBC); "The O.C." (Fox); "Everybody Hates Chris" and "Eve" (UPN); "Smallville" (WB).

The Media Melee: With "Joey" flailing and "Will & Grace" wheezing into its last season, competition for NBC's must-see cachet is ferocious. The safe money is on the mighty "Survivor" franchise, but Chris Rock's brash "Everybody Hates Chris" could deliver big laughs and stiff competition, while Jennifer Garner's real-life pregnancy could inspire the tabloid rubberneckers to join the faithful for their weekly "Alias" drool-fest. The bloom is off the "O.C." beauties, which could mean more fresh eyeballs for "Smallville."

Viewing Strategy: Multitaskers can record "Alias," watch "Everybody Hates Chris" and skip over to "Survivor" in time for elimination campfire. Superman needs all the ratings' help he can get, so anyone on the "Smallville"/ "O.C." fence should watch the former and tape the latter. The rest of us can read the Television Without Pity recaps. Everyone can skip "Joey" and "Will & Grace."



Thing is, the OC seems to be more accessible to a mainstream audience (in comparison to Smallville, which is kinda mainstream but people have fell off it) . It's weird how SV gets 5 million per week to watch the show but it's not talked about like the OC. Plus the soap opera angle has worked with the OC and with them being more draker this season that could gravitate more viewers to the California and not Kansas

[triplet]

I wouldnt be surprised to see some viewers getting a little bored with Survivor too. I saw an article from one critique who called it a snorathon.

Last season was kinda boring, I will stop watching it if there are no good people on it.

I think that was the main problem with last season... it was like no one was engaging on the show, except for the guy who ended up winning, I didn't really like any of them. I only watched it mostly out of habit, I didn't really care who won last time out.

[avidreader]

Last season was kinda boring, I will stop watching it if there are no good people on it.

I think that was the main problem with last season... it was like no one was engaging on the show, except for the guy who ended up winning, I didn't really like any of them. I only watched it mostly out of habit, I didn't really care who won last time out.

I cant believe you watch Reality TV.:eek:

[triplet]

I cant believe you watch Reality TV.:eek:

LOL!

Why is that so hard to believe?

When it's good, it can be great....

I mean the Survivor with the All-Stars, the one right before that with Rupert, and the one from Australia were all great....

It can be a facinating people study. As a writer, I find that intriguing even though I know a lot of that conflict is contrived and even down right made up thanks to creative editing.... They know how to make use of the Kuleshov effect and do they ever. (Okay, showing off the film school education... ;) )

Actually, some of the best reality TV was last year's Project Greenlight. Man, that was reality TV at its best.

It took a total introverted geek of a director with zero self esteem and turned him into a confident film artist who, by the end of the film shoot, took control of the film and was making decisions with confidence.

It was phucking brilliant...


And the film looks to be good too, unlike the previous two. (Anyone seen Stolen Summer or The Battle of Shaker Heights? 'Nuff said. ;) )

Too bad that there may never be another Project Greenlight. Bravo and Miramax were cool on reviving the franchise and exec producer Chris Moore decided to move onto directing and left the prodco he helped form that produced the show (Liveplanet).....

[Max]

Well, the OC brought in about 7 million viewers on Thursday, down 12-13%, which according to the critic was surprising since it was up against repeats on WB, UPN, and the other channels.

I'm curious to see how "Everyone Hates Chris" does next week. That's the real determining factor. Although, alot of people are anticipating the Smallville premiere. We'll have to wait and see.

[avidreader]

Well, the OC brought in about 7 million viewers on Thursday, down 12-13%, which according to the critic was surprising since it was up against repeats on WB, UPN, and the other channels.

I'm curious to see how "Everyone Hates Chris" does next week. That's the real determining factor. Although, alot of people are anticipating the Smallville premiere. We'll have to wait and see.

Was that a new episode?


Why is that so hard to believe?

When it's good, it can be great....

I mean the Survivor with the All-Stars, the one right before that with Rupert, and the one from Australia were all great....

I dunno. I just thought with you being that "wannabe writer" that you wouldnt be interested in something like that.

It can be a facinating people study. As a writer, I find that intriguing even though I know a lot of that conflict is contrived and even down right made up thanks to creative editing.... They know how to make use of the Kuleshov effect and do they ever. (Okay, showing off the film school education... ;) )

Well okay, now I understand. ;)


Actually, some of the best reality TV was last year's Project Greenlight. Man, that was reality TV at its best.

It took a total introverted geek of a director with zero self esteem and turned him into a confident film artist who, by the end of the film shoot, took control of the film and was making decisions with confidence.

It was phucking brilliant...

Missed that one. Anything that is reality TV turns me off right away. I cant understand why we need to watch other people living every day lives, when we do that ourselves. When I watch TV I want to escape and get lost in the unreality of it all.

Just personal tastes I guess.


And the film looks to be good too, unlike the previous two. (Anyone seen Stolen Summer or The Battle of Shaker Heights? 'Nuff said. ;) )

ah....nope.


My brother-in-laws daughter was on the latest version of Australia's Big Brother. Last I heard she was doing really well. Must email my sister and find out what the outcome was.

[triplet]

My brother-in-laws daughter was on the latest version of Australia's Big Brother. Last I heard she was doing really well. Must email my sister and find out what the outcome was.

I used to watch an internet radio station that was based in Sidney, the Basement.com.au, and they would always talk about Big Brother... (it stopped streaming about two or three years ago..)

Is that more of a phenonmena down there than it is up here? I think we have too many reality TV shows and our market is saturated...

[avidreader]

I used to watch an internet radio station that was based in Sidney, the Basement.com.au, and they would always talk about Big Brother... (it stopped streaming about two or three years ago..)

Is that more of a phenonmena down there than it is up here? I think we have too many reality TV shows and our market is saturated...

HUGE, HUGE! especially among 12 to 25 year olds. Its on every night at 7.00, with explicit airing at 9.30. Then on Sunday nights they do their evictions and have an on the couch session.

Fortunately there is only one series a year that lasts for about 3 months.

They do have alot of Reality TV, but no where near as much as what you see here. And of course they air the more popular American ones, such as Survivor.

Just for your information, its Sydney not Sidney. ;)

And I'm really off topic here, but as you like character studies, have you read Wicked. I'm reading it at the moment and finding it somewhat unusual.

[triplet]

HUGE, HUGE! especially among 12 to 25 year olds. Its on every night at 7.00, with explicit airing at 9.30. Then on Sunday nights they do their evictions and have an on the couch session.

Fortunately there is only one series a year that lasts for about 3 months.

They do have alot of Reality TV, but no where near as much as what you see here. And of course they air the more popular American ones, such as Survivor.

See, I thought so... the vj's on the Basement were always talking about that show and would give updates when they were broadcast as the breakfast show for some music channel down there....

Just for your information, its Sydney not Sidney. ;)

You see, I can never remember that... my mom's name is "Sidney" so I always type in the wrong thing for some reason....



And I'm really off topic here, but as you like character studies, have you read Wicked. I'm reading it at the moment and finding it somewhat unusual.

Serene recommended I pick that up, actually, but haven't yet...

[Max]

Avid,

Yeah, the OC has their season premiere on Thursday.

[Serene]

When I watch TV I want to escape and get lost in the unreality of it all.

Just personal tastes I guess.

Pretty much the same here.. although I admit (with slight embarrassment) to having watched "Beauty and the Geek." I offer no explanation, I have none. :P

I've heard "The Amazing Race" is a really good show.. but never seemed to catch it.

The BIG show right now amongst the teens in our area is "Laguna Beach," a show I just don't get. I think it's a reality show, but I'm not sure. I'm also not interested enough to watch more to find out.

My problem with reality shows is that they're NOT really real. Everyone knows there's a camera in their face.. so how genuine do you really think they're being? So I have a hard time accepting it as reality. I just get annoyed.

[avidreader]

Avid,

Yeah, the OC has their season premiere on Thursday.

Well then how can they make a big deal about its ratings last week when it was also a repeat.:confused:

You see, I can never remember that... my mom's name is "Sidney" so I always type in the wrong thing for some reason....



I'll bet you remember from here on end.:D

Pretty much the same here.. although I admit (with slight embarrassment) to having watched "Beauty and the Geek." I offer no explanation, I have none. :P

I've heard "The Amazing Race" is a really good show.. but never seemed to catch it.

The BIG show right now amongst the teens in our area is "Laguna Beach," a show I just don't get. I think it's a reality show, but I'm not sure. I'm also not interested enough to watch more to find out.

My problem with reality shows is that they're NOT really real. Everyone knows there's a camera in their face.. so how genuine do you really think they're being? So I have a hard time accepting it as reality. I just get annoyed.

Ah, a closet reality tv junkie.;)

[triplet]

I'll bet you remember from here on end.:D

Yep. I probably won't make that mistake again.

[Max]

Avid,

I meant to say "The OC HAD their premiere last Thursday." It wasn't a repeat.

[avidreader]

Avid,

I meant to say "The OC HAD their premiere last Thursday." It wasn't a repeat.

Okay, well I guess that would be disappointing for them.

[AgentPat]

hehehehe... :D :up:


Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), Smallville (WB), Everybody Hates Chris (UPN), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

Ratings Breakdown:
Although CBS, as usual, remains the network to beat on Thursday, the story worth telling last night was on the WB, courtesy of the relocated Smallville. Veteran Smallville opened season five with an impressive 4.4/ 7 in the overnights (#4), 5.74 million viewers (#5) and a 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#4) at 8 p.m., beating the season-premiere of ABC’s relocated Alias by 8 percent in the demo (see below). Comparably, that was the best metered market rating for the WB in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour since the one-hour launch of sitcom Family Affair on Sept. 12, 2002. Versus two episodes (original and repeat) of former occupant Blue Collar TV on the year-ago evening (Overnights: #5, 3.0/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.11 million; A18-49: #6, 1.3/ 4 on Sept. 30, 2004), that was an increase of a considerable 47 percent in the overnights, 2.63 million viewers and 100 percent among adults 18-49.

While retention for the WB’s Everwood at 9 p.m. (Overnights: #4t, 3.2/ 5; Viewers: #5, 3.57 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4) out of Smallville was modest at 73 percent in the overnights, 62 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49, it was still enough to outdeliver competing sitcoms Eve and Cuts on UPN. It was also the WB’s best overnight rating in the Thursday 9 p.m. hour with regularly scheduled programming since March 2003...

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

[KikiDee]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_47.gif Yippee!!!

[AgentPat]

The real key now is to see if they can keep up that momentum. Here's to hoping!

[Bad Superman]

Survivor:Guatemala sucks. GO SMALLVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[triplet]

hehehehe... :D :up:



Yesterday’s Winners:

Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), Smallville (WB), Everybody Hates Chris (UPN), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

Ratings Breakdown:
Although CBS, as usual, remains the network to beat on Thursday, the story worth telling last night was on the WB, courtesy of the relocated Smallville. Veteran Smallville opened season five with an impressive 4.4/ 7 in the overnights (#4), 5.74 million viewers (#5) and a 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#4) at 8 p.m., beating the season-premiere of ABC’s relocated Alias by 8 percent in the demo (see below). Comparably, that was the best metered market rating for the WB in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour since the one-hour launch of sitcom Family Affair on Sept. 12, 2002. Versus two episodes (original and repeat) of former occupant Blue Collar TV on the year-ago evening (Overnights: #5, 3.0/ 4; Viewers: #6, 3.11 million; A18-49: #6, 1.3/ 4 on Sept. 30, 2004), that was an increase of a considerable 47 percent in the overnights, 2.63 million viewers and 100 percent among adults 18-49.

While retention for the WB’s Everwood at 9 p.m. (Overnights: #4t, 3.2/ 5; Viewers: #5, 3.57 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4) out of Smallville was modest at 73 percent in the overnights, 62 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49, it was still enough to outdeliver competing sitcoms Eve and Cuts on UPN. It was also the WB’s best overnight rating in the Thursday 9 p.m. hour with regularly scheduled programming since March 2003...


http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Wow... that's great news... But why are the numbers that Zap2It (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7c97782%7c1%7c,00.html) have are so different?


"Survivor: Guatemala" ruled the 8 o'clock hour for CBS with a 10.5/17. NBC finished second with "Joey," 5.2/8, and the live season premiere of "Will & Grace," 6.5/10. "Alias" began its fifth season with a 5.4/9 for ABC, while "The O.C." was fourth for FOX. "Smallville" scored a 3.5/5 with its season premiere on a new night for The WB. "Everybody Hates Chris" (3.5/6) dipped some in its second week, combining with "Love, Inc." (2.3/4) to average 2.9/5 for UPN.

[avidreader]

If the media plays enough hype from last night's episode they can only build from there.


Way to go Smallville! :up:

Hope everyone on set is having a good day today. :)

[AgentPat]

Wow... that's great news... But why are the numbers that Zap2It (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7c97782%7c1%7c,00.html) have are so different?Ya got me hangin' by my thumbs. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

Maybe they're rounding? I dunno. But I'll take Mediaweek's numbers over Zap2it's any day of the week. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

[triplet]

True... they're the end-all, be-all of ratings...

[avidreader]

I dunno where Craig gets his numbers from, but wherever it is, he says they're the most accurate. But I'll go with Pat on this one, and accept Mediaweek over Zap2it. I think they have it in for the WB and they probably fudge the numbers.;)

Can someone explain how all those numbers work to me. I never really get it? :confused:

[AgentPat]

I dunno where Craig gets his numbers from, but wherever it is, he says they're the most accurate. But I'll go with Pat on this one, and accept Mediaweek over Zap2it...Heh! Well it just gets better!!!! Zap2It can eat me LOL!!! Check it out:

From an official PRESS RELEASE from The WB, and reprinted over at The Futon Critic. Sorry for all the caps, but I didn't feel like retyping it for etiquette...


Burbank, CA. Friday, September 30, 2005
Released by The WB

THE WB NEW THURSDAY STRATEGY CLICKS AS "SMALLVILLE" AND "EVERWOOD" DELIVER 120% YEAR-TO-YEAR GAINS IN ADULTS 18-34

"SMALLVILLE" WINS ITS TIME PERIOD, PLACING #1 AMONG MEN 18-34 AND MEN 12-34

"SMALLVILLE" SCORES ALL-TIME TIME THURSDAY RECORD FOR THE WB AMONG MEN 18-34, MEN 18-49 AND MEN 12-34 AND SETS A NEW NETWORK TIME PERIOD RECORD IN ADULTS 18-34, ADULTS 18-49. PERSONS 12-34 AND TOTAL VIEWERS (5.9 MILLION)

"EVERWOOD" ACHIEVES TREMENDOUS YEAR-TO-YEAR GROWTH OVER IN THE TIME PERIOD, INCLUDING +63% IN ADULTS 18-34 AND +200% IN MEN 18-34

The WB's aggressive Thursday strategy of placing two of its signature series on one of television's toughest nights paid early dividends as SMALLVILLE and EVERWOOD delivered +120% year-to-year gains in adults 18-34 (2.2/6). The network also scored +82% gains in adults 18-49 (2.0/5), +110% in persons 12-34 (2.1/7) and +85% in total viewers (4.7 million).

The premiere of SMALLVILLE, from Tollin-Robbins Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television, soared to #1 RANKS, WINNING ITS TIME PERIOD among men 18-34 (3.5/12) and men 12-34 (3.3/11) and was #2 among men 18-49 (2.9/9). It was the first time in the history of The WB that the network earned a #1 rank in an adult demographic against major broadcast competition on a Thursday as it toppled everything else on television, including Survivor.

The super series scored THE WB THURSDAY'S HIGHEST RATINGS EVER in men 18-34, men 12-34 and men 18-49, and delivered NEW ALL-TIME TIME PERIOD RECORDS FOR THE WB in total viewers (5.9 million), adults 18-34 (3.1/9), persons 12-34 (3.0/9) and adults 18-49 (2.6/7). In the time period, SMALLVILLE easily outdistanced the premiere of Alias across the 18-34 and 12-34 demos, as well as in adults 18-49 and men 18-49, and the show also defeated the second week of Everybody Hates Chris in adults 18-34, adults 18-49, persons 12-34, men 18-34, men 18-49 and men 12-34. SMALLVILLE posted triple-digit growth over last year's fall premieres in the time period including a gain of +138% in adults 18-34 and +131% in persons 12-34.

EVERWOOD, from Warner Bros. Television, improved the time period dramatically versus the parallel night a year ago. The show posted TRIPLE-DIGIT GROWTH in male demos, men 18-34 (+200%), men 18-49 (+150%) and men 12-34 (+100%) while gaining +63% in adults 18-34 (1.3/3), +33% in women 18-34 (1.6/4), +44% in persons 12-34 (1.3/4), +33% in women 12-34 (1.6/4) and +31% in women 18-49 (1.7/4).

EVERWOOD defeated the debut of Night Stalker on ABC in women 18-34 and women 12-34, and tied it in female teens.

The two quality dramas combined to equal the best Thursday night rating ever for The WB among men 18-49 (1.9/5) and scored its highest total viewer number (4.7 million) since October 2001. The WB Thursday also delivered its best ratings since January 2003 in adults 18-34 (2.2/6), men 18-34 (2.2/7) and all 18-49 demos - adults (2.0/5), women (2.0/5) and men (1.9/5).

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/pr.cgi?id=20050930wb01


Day-um!!! I smell seven seasons EASY if they can keep this up.

[KikiDee]

I dunno where Craig gets his numbers from, but wherever it is, he says they're the most accurate. But I'll go with Pat on this one, and accept Mediaweek over Zap2it. I think they have it in for the WB and they probably fudge the numbers.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Did you notice that Craig put up a disclaimer now?

It was the first time in the history of The WB that the network earned a #1 rank in an adult demographic against major broadcast competition on a Thursday as it toppled everything else on television, including Survivor.

I just have to do it.....
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_75.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_9_1.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_46v.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_55.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_11.gif

[Pickle-El]

These are all thursday records right? Not taking Tuesday and Wednesday of the last few years into account?

Anyone know how it did in relation to last years premiere, and last years season finale?

[AgentPat]

Did you notice that Craig put up a disclaimer now?I just e-mailed him with the WB Press Release, so hopefully Craig will post the new info. Breaking records isn't something The WB does every day. :p

[KikiDee]

I just e-mailed him with the WB Press Release, so hopefully Craig will post the new info. Breaking records isn't something The WB does every day. :p

Don't cha love it when you're right?!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_11.gif

[triplet]

That is way cool! Heee.....

[triplet]

I just e-mailed him with the WB Press Release, so hopefully Craig will post the new info. Breaking records isn't something The WB does every day. :p

Well, when I sent him my review he replied to my email and said that he was going out for the evening and didn't expect to get back in until late... But he'd post it then, so don't expect any changes right away.

:up:

They must be out partying in Vancouver! What great news... their gamble may just have paid off.

[AgentPat]

These are all thursday records right? Not taking Tuesday and Wednesday of the last few years into account?

Anyone know how it did in relation to last years premiere, and last years season finale?"'Smallville' averaged a 2.6 average rating, way up from its 2.0 average last season at 8 p.m. Wednesday. The episode gave the WB a 136 percent boost versus last week’s 1.1 8 p.m. average."

http://medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_428.asp

[The Incredible Hulk]

Nice :up: you should also send that to the knucklehead who was telling us that SV couldnt compete with "The O.C."....

[Serene]

"SMALLVILLE" SCORES ALL-TIME TIME THURSDAY RECORD FOR THE WB AMONG MEN 18-34, MEN 18-49 AND MEN 12-34 AND SETS A NEW NETWORK TIME PERIOD RECORD IN ADULTS 18-34, ADULTS 18-49. PERSONS 12-34 AND TOTAL VIEWERS (5.9 MILLION)
*snip*
The premiere of SMALLVILLE, from Tollin-Robbins Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television, soared to #1 RANKS, WINNING ITS TIME PERIOD among men 18-34 (3.5/12) and men 12-34 (3.3/11) and was #2 among men 18-49 (2.9/9). It was the first time in the history of The WB that the network earned a #1 rank in an adult demographic against major broadcast competition on a Thursday as it toppled everything else on television, including Survivor.

The super series scored THE WB THURSDAY'S HIGHEST RATINGS EVER in men 18-34, men 12-34 and men 18-49, and delivered NEW ALL-TIME TIME PERIOD RECORDS FOR THE WB in total viewers (5.9 million), adults 18-34 (3.1/9), persons 12-34 (3.0/9) and adults 18-49 (2.6/7). In the time period, SMALLVILLE easily outdistanced the premiere of Alias across the 18-34 and 12-34 demos, as well as in adults 18-49 and men 18-49, and the show also defeated the second week of Everybody Hates Chris in adults 18-34, adults 18-49, persons 12-34, men 18-34, men 18-49 and men 12-34. SMALLVILLE posted triple-digit growth over last year's fall premieres in the time period including a gain of +138% in adults 18-34 and +131% in persons 12-34.

I love you for posting this, Pat. :D
It's just makes it *that* much sweeter to know that this show that we all love (most of us at least) is being seen and appreciated by a lot of others.

*sniff* I'm so proud.. ;):)

[triplet]

Nice :up: you should also send that to the knucklehead who was telling us that SV couldnt compete with "The O.C."....

ROTFLMFAO!!!

:D :up:

[KikiDee]

ROTFLMFAO!!!

:D :up:

I have one for that too.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_6.gif

Sorry, nothing better to do.

[Lara]

Wow I'm impressed. So what do you guys think is it getting away from Lost or the focus on a more Superman theme?

[AgentPat]

The ratings news has been getting around. I particularly like The New York Times (!!) comments on it...


Arts, Briefly
Compiled by LAWRENCE VAN GELDER
Published: October 1, 2005

Clark Kent Muscles In

As the torrent of network premieres continued, CBS's "Without a Trace" (21.13 million), NBC's "Will & Grace" (9.65 million), ABC's "Alias" (8.09 million) and "Night Stalker" (7.13 million), and WB's "Smallville" (5.74 million) and "Everwood" (3.57 million) made their fall debuts on Thursday night. CBS was No. 1 by a wide margin in Nielsen's estimates, as it nearly always is on Thursdays, but it was "Smallville" that provided the night's surprise upsets. The Season 5 opener was the top-ranked show in the 8 p.m. hour among men 18 to 34, its target audience, beating even CBS's "Survivor" (17.13 million total viewers) in that group. "Smallville" also surpassed "Alias" among 18-to-49-year-olds. Also at 8 p.m. was the second episode of UPN's "Everybody Hates Chris," which was down from its debut last week (from 7.78 million to 5.65 million) but still a ratings improvement over wrestling, which formerly occupied the time period. CBS's "CSI" was the night's most-watched show (27.20). KATE AURTHUR

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/arts/01arts.html


:D

[The Incredible Hulk]

save that article and post it everytime so dope comes on here and tells us the show is aimed at teenagers... :up:

I've also come to the conclusion that some people will watch CBS no matter what repetitive crap they put on the network. I mean for the love of god, how many crime dramas can you watch? :down

[avidreader]

This is all such great news, it certainly stirs the emotion pot in me to know that this show that we all love is finally starting to be appreciated.

Way to go Smallville production!

Thanks for posting the news Pat and that last one from the New York paper.

And am I right in saying that the WB shares with UPN in some places and perhaps Smallville wasnt even seen by some people at the 8.00 Thursday time slot? Does this effect the figures?

Nice http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif you should also send that to the knucklehead who was telling us that SV couldnt compete with "The O.C."....

If I had one of Kiki's cute little symbols I'd insert it, but I dont so I'll just go with a LOL :D and you tell 'em.

[KikiDee]

Wow I'm impressed. So what do you guys think is it getting away from Lost or the focus on a more Superman theme?

I think it's both honestly. Look at what it's up against. The only new show is UPN's "Everbody hates Chris" everything else is kind of stale. (Who cares about the OC?) I never watched any of those shows anyway and reluctantly watched Joey if I actually watched anything on Thursday.

[avidreader]

I've also come to the conclusion that some people will watch CBS no matter what repetitive crap they put on the network. I mean for the love of god, how many crime dramas can you watch? :down

You know something, I dont even know what channel CBS is on here where I live. And I watched enough crime dramas in the '70's that I was done in for life. I dont tune in to them anymore at all.

[Billy Batson]

I think they refered to the show as fading, because of what it used to get in the ratings.

During the first season, Smallville pulled in 6-7 million viewers an episode.

During the second season, it pulled in between 7-8 million viewers an episode, with an all time high of just over nine million for Rosetta.

Now when you compare the ratings, Smallville is practically only getting half of what it used to. While the ratings are still decent for a WB show, there has been a considerable decline from when the show was at its peak, popularity wise.

:up: :up: :up:

You hit the nail on the coffin!
Smallvile at it's peak IMHO(Season 2) repeat episodes pull-in 5.8 Million.
The rating for this seaon premier, IS NOT GOOD!
Although, ratings are down across the board for THE WB as a whole! UPN is winnning the rating war between the little networks.

Hardcore SMALLVILLE viewers are SUPERMAN fans who watch the show to observe Clark's evolution to KAL'El / SUPERMAN.
The fans were lead to believe that at the end of the series, a film or films would continue the escapades of KAL'El / SUPERMAN. :up:
SUPERMAN Returns kills that! :down
what's the point in continuing to watch smallville if CLARK is NOT allowed to become SUPERMAN. :o where is the payoff in continued viewing of the show?
Sign me off! SMALLVILLE is like,SO OVER! :mad:

[Serene]

Sign me off! SMALLVILLE is like,SO OVER! :mad:
Oookay.
Bye.

[Pickle-El]

Read in the LA Times today that Smallville had 5.9 Million viewers for Thursday

[AgentPat]

...The rating for this season premier, IS NOT GOOD!Come back when you know what you're talking about. You obviously know NOTHING about how ratings really work.

Hardcore SMALLVILLE viewers are SUPERMAN fans who watch the show to observe Clark's evolution to KAL'El / SUPERMAN.Hysterical. Truly hysterical!

The fans were lead to believe that at the end of the series, a film or films would continue the escapades of KAL'El / SUPERMAN.They were? That's a new one.

SUPERMAN Returns kills that!:rolleyes: Y'know, I'm FAR from being a fan of SR, but the last thing the film will do is hurt SV.

what's the point in continuing to watch smallville if CLARK is NOT allowed to become SUPERMAN.WTF? This season is Superman in Training. If you want to see him flying around in the tights, SV is not for you. The whole premise of the show is to elaborate on the events in Superman's life *before* he became known to the world as Superman.

where is the payoff in continued viewing of the show?If you don't enjoy it now, five seasons in, you never will. Please, stop watching it before you hurt yourself.

Sign me off! SMALLVILLE is like,SO OVER! :mad:Later dude. Life is tough. Get a helmet. ;)

[Billy Batson]

Later dude. Life is tough. Get a helmet. ;)

Oookay.
Bye.

Thankyou, you guys are sweet.:O

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville has a higher "share" now then they've ever had. the show is also on a hell of a lot more competitive night than it was in S1 and S2. Comparing the "rating" number between seasons without taking into account those other pretty big considerations is short-sighted.

[LarryLegend]

Smallville has a higher "share" now then they've ever had. the show is also on a hell of a lot more competitive night than it was in S1 and S2. Comparing the "rating" number between seasons without taking into account those other pretty big considerations is short-sighted.

Excellent post. :up:

[Zing79]

These ratings are pretty much ridiculous. I never expected the show to rate that high -- I still don't believe they can sustain this level. Thurs night is a death day for any show that isn't popular. I was expecting a successful night to be somewhere in the high 2's.

It's even better news when you consider that Smallville beat shows that air on networks that have FAR more reach then the WB. If Smallville was airing on NBC, CBS, ABC, or FOX it would have done even better then it did.

[AgentPat]

These ratings are pretty much ridiculous. I never expected the show to rate that high -- I still don't believe they can sustain this level...Yeah, they usually do quite well out of the gate on premiere night and then start losing numbers before leveling off. This is typical for MOST returning shows, particularly ones with cliffhangers from the previous season. Networks usually pay more attention to a show's ratings figures during its second and third week into the season, which is why some Nets wait a week or so before premiering - it makes other shows look bad when *their* numbers drop. The World Series and football season are going to take a toll too, but at least those threats will apply to everybody except the network they're broadcast on. Anyhoo, I seriously don't expect the ratings for Mortal to be as high as they were for Arrival, but I'm hoping the decline is modest.

Three days and counting. ;)

[NHawk19]

Well I'm glad to see SV getting some good recognition. With winning their slot in men 18-34 winning overall viewership can't be far behind.

Hopefully this means that the end is near for Survivor. I really cant stand that show.

[AgentPat]

^ Definition of an eternal optimist

;)

[NHawk19]

^ Definition of an eternal optimist

;)

Just want something to change. There arent many original shows on network TV now. Everything is a CSI, L&O, or ER knock off.

I'm hoping that continued high ratings by SV may pave the way for some better programming.

[avidreader]

Just want something to change. There arent many original shows on network TV now. Everything is a CSI, L&O, or ER knock off.

I'm hoping that continued high ratings by SV may pave the way for some better programming.

I'm hoping with you.

[The Black Mask]

who will save smallville tv show?

[AgentPat]

who will save smallville tv show?:confused:

[triplet]

Why does it need saving?

:confused:

[RakuMon]

The final tally of Thursday night's ratings courtesy of MediaWeek:

Ratings Box:
What’s Hot/What’s Not

-Final Thursday Nationals:
In another mammoth Thursday victory, must see CBS outdelivered No. 2 NBC by 85 percent in households, 10.93 million viewers and 44 percent among adults 18-49. The retooled WB, meanwhile, bested rival UPN by 25 percent in households, 750,000 viewers and 18 percent among adults 18-49 despite the presence of UPN’s highly touted Everybody Hates Chris. Although Everybody Hates Chris suffered double-digit losses in week two, if the sitcom levels off at Thursday’s 6.01 million viewers (#5) and a 2.4/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#6), the future looks promising. Smallville jump-started the WB in the Thursday 8 p.m. hour, with 5.90 million viewers (#5) and a 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#5).

In series-premiere news, although ABC’s The Night Stalker could not take a bite out of the competition at a distant third-place 7.12 million viewers and a 2.6/ 6 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m., it was still considerably better than year-ago occupant, life as we know it. That led out of the season-premiere of Alias at a modest 8.21 million viewers (#3) and a 2.5/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#5). Over at Fox, episode three of drama Reunion dipped to a series-low (and fourth-place) 4.55 million viewers and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49, with retention of 69 and 77 percent, respectively, out of The O.C. (Viewers: #4, 6.56 million; A18-49: #3, 3.0/ 8).

What follows are the final national ratings for Thursday, Sept. 29:

-Households:
CBS: 13.9/22, NBC: 7.5/12, ABC: 4.8/ 7, Fox: 3.6/ 6, WB: 3.0/ 5, UPN: 2.4/ 4

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 22.13 million, NBC: 11.20, ABC: 7.02, Fox: 5.56, WB: 4.71, UPN: 3.96

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 7.2/19, NBC: 5.0/13, Fox: 2.6/ 7, ABC: 2.2/ 6, WB: 2.0/ 5, UPN: 1.7/ 4

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

[AgentPat]

...ratings are down across the board for THE WB as a whole! UPN is winnning the rating war between the little networks.Not to dig up this debate again, but SV is to The WB like Lost and Desperate Housewives is to ABC. It's *other* shows on The WB that are dragging their overall ratings into the mud.

Friday's ratings (10/30/05)

Also struggling on Friday is the WB, which ranked last in every half-hour with its sitcom combination of What I Like About You (HH: 1.4/ 3; Viewers: 2.06 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 4), Twins (HH: 1.5/ 3; Viewers: 2.18 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 4), a depressed Reba (HH: 2.1/ 4; Viewers: 3.03 million; A18-49: 1.2/ 4), and a should-be-funnier Living With Fran (HH: 1.7/ 3; Viewers: 2.42 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 3). If Fran really wants to find her way, she needs to dump wooden Charles Shaugnessy as her ex-husband, and drag Renee Taylor out of retirement (or wherever she is) and bring her back as her whiny mother. Mama Renee would be plotzing is she saw how young her live-in love Riley is!

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

[avidreader]

Not to dig up this debate again, but SV is to The WB like Lost and Desperate Housewives is to ABC. It's *other* shows on The WB that are dragging their overall ratings into the mud.

Friday's ratings (10/30/05)


Also struggling on Friday is the WB, which ranked last in every half-hour with its sitcom combination of What I Like About You (HH: 1.4/ 3; Viewers: 2.06 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 4), Twins (HH: 1.5/ 3; Viewers: 2.18 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 4), a depressed Reba (HH: 2.1/ 4; Viewers: 3.03 million; A18-49: 1.2/ 4), and a should-be-funnier Living With Fran (HH: 1.7/ 3; Viewers: 2.42 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 3). If Fran really wants to find her way, she needs to dump wooden Charles Shaugnessy as her ex-husband, and drag Renee Taylor out of retirement (or wherever she is) and bring her back as her whiny mother. Mama Renee would be plotzing is she saw how young her live-in love Riley is!

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Considering that the WB doesnt reach everywhere across the country, and they are such an iddy biddy station compared to the big networks, are those ratings really that bad?

[RakuMon]

USA Today's take on the ratings:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-10-04-nielsen-analysis_x.htm
•Fighting for second. CBS' Survivor easily took the top spot in the Thursday at 8 p.m. ET/PT battleground. Its 17.3 million viewers more than doubled second-place Alias (8.2 million), which was separated from sixth-place Smallville by just 2.3 million viewers. After a record-setting premiere for UPN, Everybody Hates Chris dropped 23% to 6 million viewers in its second week. Among young-adult viewers, however, Smallville finished fourth in its new time period, boosting WB's performance.

[AgentPat]

This was an absolutely hysterical read. And it was refreshing to finally see at least ONE TV critic not laud Everybody Hates Chris like it was the second coming of All in the Family or something. :rolleyes:

Here's an excerpt...

Between the networks’ aggressive Kill ‘Em All, Let Nielsen Sort ‘Em Out programming tactics and an unusual amount of new shows that don’t make you want to repeatedly bash your skull against the TV screen until the sweet release of cathode blackout takes hold (well, once Head Cases was canceled), scheduling quality time with the new television season has been a beeotch. My own overworked TiVo is substituting its factory-standard “bloop bloop bloop” sound effect for “Christ! Read a book or something already!”

To make your/my busy life simpler, True TV is going to tell you exactly what to watch first, what to record for later viewing and what to avoid like Jennifer Garner at Baby Gap.

Thursdays

Watch: When Fox’s Major League Baseball coverage mercifully ends in November, The O.C. and Reunion are too soaptastic to experience without commercial breaks in which to ask yourself, “WTF?” Until then, try Smallville and Everwood on The WB—less funny, more flannel. Or maybe Everybody Hates Chris (UPN) … nah.

Record: Alias (ABC), CSI and Without a Trace (CBS), due to their obvious storylines that make as much sense in fast-forward as they do in real time.

Avoid: Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), The Night Stalker (ABC) and everything on NBC and UPN.

http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2005/tube_2005-10-06.cfm

[avidreader]

I'm guessing that's a good response for Smallville. :rolleyes:

[triplet]

This was an absolutely hysterical read. And it was refreshing to finally see at least ONE TV critic not laud Everybody Hates Chris like it was the second coming of All in the Family or something. :rolleyes:

Here's an excerpt...



Between the networks’ aggressive Kill ‘Em All, Let Nielsen Sort ‘Em Out programming tactics and an unusual amount of new shows that don’t make you want to repeatedly bash your skull against the TV screen until the sweet release of cathode blackout takes hold (well, once Head Cases was canceled), scheduling quality time with the new television season has been a beeotch. My own overworked TiVo is substituting its factory-standard “bloop bloop bloop” sound effect for “Christ! Read a book or something already!”



To make your/my busy life simpler, True TV is going to tell you exactly what to watch first, what to record for later viewing and what to avoid like Jennifer Garner at Baby Gap.

Thursdays

Watch: When Fox’s Major League Baseball coverage mercifully ends in November, The O.C. and Reunion are too soaptastic to experience without commercial breaks in which to ask yourself, “WTF?” Until then, try Smallville and Everwood on The WB—less funny, more flannel. Or maybe Everybody Hates Chris (UPN) … nah.

Record: Alias (ABC), CSI and Without a Trace (CBS), due to their obvious storylines that make as much sense in fast-forward as they do in real time.

Avoid: Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), The Night Stalker (ABC) and everything on NBC and UPN.



http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2005/tube_2005-10-06.cfm

Actually, I caught the pilot of Everybody Hates Chris when it was streamed on Google last week (or the week before) and I didn't find it a bit funny....

I do like Chris Rock, but I didn't think that his comedy was very likable.

I think once the bloom is off his rose, the ratings for that show will settle down into more typical UPN-like ranges...


I love that line: less funny, more flannel... :up: :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

well pretty much anything on UPN is going to suck, of that I'm fairly convinced..

[Super_Ludacris]

Except Everybody Hates Chris. I agree with the critics it's good

[triplet]

Except Everybody Hates Chris. I agree with the critics it's good

I didn't find it all that funny....

[RakuMon]

More evidence as to how important Smallville is to the WB.

From MediaWeek:

In 8 p.m. season-premiere news, the WB’s relocated One Tree Hill failed to impress at a last-place 2.8/ 4 in the overnights, 3.78 million viewers and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49. Comparatively, year-ago occupant Smallville scored a considerably heftier 5.0/ 8 in the overnights (#5), 5.45 million viewers (#5) and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#4).

[Billy Batson]

:eek: wow!
Smallville beat out 7th heaven,first time ever?
Smallville is The WB # 1 rated show, number wise Smallville viewership is down!

[Brainiac 8]

I don't see the WB getting rid of it anytime soon. Like it was said, even at it's low, it is still one of their top shows.

[triplet]

For the preem they did about what they did last year, I thought, but given the added revenue they can pull in from movie ads I think they'll probably leave it where it is even if overall viewership goes down.

[Billy Batson]

I don't see the WB getting rid of it anytime soon. Like it was said, even at it's low, it is still one of their top shows.

My concern is with the show falling off with viewers/fans, not with the WB dumping the show.

[mellyM]

My concern is with the show falling off with viewers/fans, not with the WB dumping the show.

its all about money and the WB is making plenty off of Smallville..ratings aren't as cut and dry as it seems

[RakuMon]

Especially considering the numbers for One Tree Hill -- the show that replaced Smallville on Wednesday nights at 8. As demonstrated in my earlier post, OTH lost 2.5 million viewers from the same time slot last year when Smallville was leading off the night.

I think it's safe to say that Smallville is one of the WB's only bright spots (along with Supernatural) ratings-wise this season.

[triplet]

Well, Gilmore Girls is still doing well I thought... I was reading an article that said that GG and Supernatural have made a surprisingly strong pairing.

[LarryLegend]

Smallville still gained 450,000 viewers from the premier last year (5.9 vs 5.45). That's great news especially considering the slot its in (so compettive). Plus it had the best ratings for 18-34 males, that should draw in movie ads.

[avidreader]

Primetime Thursday Ratings:
CBS Dominates; The WB Most Improved

Thursday 10/06/05
Metered Market Ratings

Note: The following overnights exclude the Miami and New Orleans markets.

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 14.9/22, NBC: 8.5/13, Fox: 6.2/ 9, ABC: 5.0/ 8, WB: 3.9/ 6, UPN: 3.0/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 10/07/04):
WB: +77, Fox: +24, ABC: + 9, CBS: - 6, UPN: -21, NBC: -29

----------

Fast Affiliate Ratings

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 22.46 million, NBC: 10.55, Fox: 7.21, ABC: 6.42, WB: 4.94, UPN: 3.58

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 7.5/19, NBC: 4.7/12, Fox: 2.4/ 6, ABC: 2.2/ 6, WB: 2.2/ 6, UPN: 1.4/ 4

----------

-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), Smallville (WB), Everybody Hates Chris (UPN), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Everwood (WB)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Joey (NBC), Love, Inc. (UPN), Night Stalker (ABC), Eve (UPN), Cuts (UPN), Primetime Live (ABC)
The WB, meanwhile, has finally found a spot on the Thursday map courtesy of the relocated Smallville, which opened with a comfortable 4.5/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 5.72 million viewers (#5) and a third-place 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Former occupants Blue Collar TV and Drew Carey’s Green Screen averaged a considerably weaker 3.0/ 4 in the overnights, 3.12 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49 on the year-ago evening. Although lead-out Everwood is no Smallville, a 3.3/ 5 in the overnights, 4.16 million viewers (#5) and a 1.8/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#5) at 9 p.m. is a marked improvement from what the network has had in the hour in years.

[triplet]

Excellent news for Smallville. :up:

The WB's gamble looks to be paying off.

[jas01724]

Hardly what I would call a gamble, though. It was always pretty much guaranteed to give them better ratings than they had in the timeslot before.

Whether they expected the ratings to be this good is another matter entirely ...

[AgentPat]

Excellent news for Smallville. :up:

The WB's gamble looks to be paying off.Yes, it looks like it has. And I love that line, "Everwood is no Smallville..." Hah! :up:

PS: Supernatural's back nine has been picked up. If somebody wants to post it in the appropriate forum, knock yourself out. I'm getting lazy in my old age. And I'm sick today, thanks to the lovely weather (not!) in New England. :(

[The Incredible Hulk]

man Alias is really taking the pike this year. Has Ben Affleck's career killing virus seeped over to Jennifer Garner?

[avidreader]

Yes, it looks like it has. And I love that line, "Everwood is no Smallville..." Hah! :up:

I loved that bit too. Keep up the good work Smallville.:up:

PS: Supernatural's back nine has been picked up. If somebody wants to post it in the appropriate forum, knock yourself out. I'm getting lazy in my old age. And I'm sick today, thanks to the lovely weather (not!) in New England. :(

Oh, come down here to San Diego, its beautiful! 90degrees, not a cloud in the sky, slight breeze. I love the weather here.

Supernatural has definitely gotta be a follow up for Smallville next year, it just makes so much sense.

[Superman=Routh]

One thing about Smallville which I dont like is that every year the season opens with a BANG!!! Then always the 2nd episode always just doesnt have that same feeling or just is blah all together. Wasnt episode 2 last yr kryp tuck? which most people didnt like.

[triplet]

Hardly what I would call a gamble, though. It was always pretty much guaranteed to give them better ratings than they had in the timeslot before.

I'm not sure they thought it would do better, just make more money. The WB's prez had said that even if viewership went down it would still be worth it because they'd be making money off of film ad revenues....

It was a gamble.

Whether they expected the ratings to be this good is another matter entirely ...

Natch... ;)

[avidreader]

One thing about Smallville which I dont like is that every year the season opens with a BANG!!! Then always the 2nd episode always just doesnt have that same feeling or just is blah all together. Wasnt episode 2 last yr kryp tuck? which most people didnt like.

No it was Gone. And I loved Mortal and according to Gough Hidden, in his opinion, is one of the best of the series.

[avidreader]

man Alias is really taking the pike this year. Has Ben Affleck's career killing virus seeped over to Jennifer Garner?

According to one critic, she's not looking too good.

[triplet]

One thing about Smallville which I dont like is that every year the season opens with a BANG!!! Then always the 2nd episode always just doesnt have that same feeling or just is blah all together. Wasnt episode 2 last yr kryp tuck? which most people didnt like.

No, it was Gone.

And you're forgetting the terrific Preem/2nd episode combo of Exile/Pheonix.

The second episode is always more quiet and provides good character development, but I thought that Mortal was a better follow on for Arrival than Gone was for Crusade.

(Facade was the third episode last season, btw.)

[triplet]

No it was Gone. And I loved Mortal and according to Gough Hidden, in his opinion, is one of the best of the series.

I can't wait for next week.

:up:

[avidreader]

I can't wait for next week.

:up:

Me too! I'm gonna have those tissues ready.:(

[jas01724]

The WB's prez had said that even if viewership went down it would still be worth it because they'd be making money off of film ad revenues....Wasn't that referring to Smallville losing overall viewers, not to the Thursday @ 8:00 timeslot losing viewers? It was always going to perform better than Blue Collar TV ...

[NHawk19]

What was SV up against last year? Lost??? If that was the case, now that those 2 are on at separate times you've freed up a major portion of the group who would watch SV.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think the opener was so good it got people to view in for a second time, this episode was an early step in the wrong FOTW direction and hopefully the next episode gets back into the story line being opened from the first. If not ratings could be gradually decreasing. GET BACK TO THE STORY! I don't want 5 minutes of story telling and the rest to be filler crap. :mad:

[triplet]

Wasn't that referring to Smallville losing overall viewers, not to the Thursday @ 8:00 timeslot losing viewers? It was always going to perform better than Blue Collar TV ...

True.

[Brainiac 8]

What was SV up against last year? Lost??? If that was the case, now that those 2 are on at separate times you've freed up a major portion of the group who would watch SV.

Lost was owning that time slot last year, it was terrible. Smallville seems to be in a great timeslot now, though. I'm thinking it will do well this year, especially since it seems the writing is much better than last year.

A loyal audience good writing makes.:supes:

[Chicken&IceTEA]

I think the opener was so good it got people to view in for a second time, this episode was an early step in the wrong FOTW direction and hopefully the next episode gets back into the story line being opened from the first. If not ratings could be gradually decreasing. GET BACK TO THE STORY! I don't want 5 minutes of story telling and the rest to be filler crap. :mad:yeah but Mortal was a boring piss poor ep IMO

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think the opener was so good it got people to view in for a second time, this episode was an early step in the wrong FOTW direction and hopefully the next episode gets back into the story line being opened from the first. If not ratings could be gradually decreasing. GET BACK TO THE STORY! I don't want 5 minutes of story telling and the rest to be filler crap. :mad:


this wasnt just a FOTW episode, if thats all you saw then you missed the point. Yes there were freaks, but they were being used by Lex to test Clark, they werent just random freaks who went after Lana for no reason... That entire episode last night was dedicated to storytelling, I'm not sure what you were watching...

yeah but Mortal was a boring piss poor ep IMO

Ladies and Germs, may I present, the latest incarnation of "muscles"

[Brainiac 8]

this wasnt just a FOTW episode, if thats all you saw then you missed the point. Yes there were freaks, but they were being used by Lex to test Clark, they werent just random freaks who went after Lana for no reason... That entire episode last night was dedicated to storytelling, I'm not sure what you were watching...

Agree with you the whole way. You have to not see bad guys with powers and automatically assume just another FOW. Look at the overall plot and story. The pacing was wonderful, and the FOW had to do with the overall plot of the show. Like Hulk said they weren't just Lanasizing.

You should try to be more open-minded.

[AgentPat]

Ladies and Germs, may I present, the latest incarnation of "muscles"Mmm... I don't think so. He's still here, but that's not him. :cool:



Muscles, my teeth are gonna explode one of these days. :p

[triplet]

More good news from The WB on the ratings front... The press release was on Kryptonsite:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/s5ratings2.htm

More Good Ratings For Smallville

The WB has issued a press release detailing the ratings success of "Mortal," the second episode of Smallville Season Five. Here it is:

THE WB THURSDAY ACHIEVES ITS BEST-EVER PERFORMANCE IN MEN 18-34 AND MEN 18-49 FOR SECOND CONSECUTIVE WEEK

“EVERWOOD” JOINS THE WB'S THURSDAY NIGHT PARTY WITH +240% YEAR-TO-YEAR GROWTH IN ADULTS 18-34 AND ADULTS 18-49 AS “SMALLVILLE” RANKS #1 IN ITS TIME PERIOD AMONG MEN 18-34 AND #2 IN ADULTS 18-34, PERSONS 12-34 AND MEN 12-34
“EVERWOOD” RANKS #3 IN ITS TIME PERIOD AMONG WOMEN 18-34 AND WOMEN 12-34

THE WB IS #3 FOR THURSDAY IN ALL 18-34 AND 12-34 DEMOS AND SCORES +167% GAINS OVER THE PARALLEL WEEK LAST SEASON IN ADULTS 18-34

The WB's Thursday lineup built on its outstanding opening performance last week again achieving THE NETWORK'S ALL-TIME BEST-EVER THURSDAY RATINGS among men 18-34 (2.5/8) and men 18-49 (2.2/6) and its highest ratings in adults 18-49 (2.2/6) since October 2001. Among adults 18-34 (2.4/7), persons 12-34 (2.2/7) and women 18-49 (2.1/5), The WB achieved its best Thursday ratings since January 2003.

EVERWOOD achieved tremendous year-to-year gains compared to the parallel week last year in all key demos, including +240% in adults 18-34 (1.7/5), +240% in adults 18-49 (1.7/4) and +220% in persons 12-34 (1.6/5) as well as +239% in total viewers (4 million). Impressively, EVERWOOD, which was #3 in its time period among women 18-34 and women 12-34, showed greater gains in male demos (+250% in men 18-34), despite going up against a baseball playoff game on Fox.

EVERWOOD also established itself as a winner on Thursday compared to its first outing this season with +31% gains among adults 18-34 and adults 18-49 as well as +23% in persons 12-34 and +15% in total viewers.

SMALLVILLE, in its second week on Thursday, again established itself as a major player on the night. SMALLVILLE WON ITS TIME PERIOD, RANKING #1 in men 18-34 and was #2, defeating “Joey” and “Will and Grace” on NBC, “Alias” on ABC, “Everybody Hates Chris” on UPN and baseball on Fox, in adults 18-34 (3.0/10), persons 12-34 (2.8/9) and men 12-34 (3.0/11) and was #3 in women 18-34 (2.6/8) and women 12-34 (2.6/8). SMALLVILLE improved its time period over the parallel week last season in all 18-34, 18-49 and 12-34 demos, including +131% in adults 18-34, +86% in adults 18-49 and +115% in persons 12-34, as well as +87% in total viewers (5.9 million).

For the night, the record-breaking WB lineup, was #3 across all 18-34 and 12-34 demos from 8-10 p.m. and built over the parallel week in all 18-34, 18-49 and 12-34 demos, including +167% in adults 18-34 (2.4/7), +144% in adults 18-49 (2.2/6) and persons 12-34 (2.2/7) as well as +129% in total viewers (4.9 million).

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Because of the second episode being meidocre just watch the ratings go down next week :down

They should have better continued from episode 1, possibly making it a 2 parter :o

[avidreader]

More good news from The WB on the ratings front... The press release was on Kryptonsite:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/s5ratings2.htm

More Good Ratings For Smallville

The WB has issued a press release detailing the ratings success of "Mortal," the second episode of Smallville Season Five. Here it is:


THE WB THURSDAY ACHIEVES ITS BEST-EVER PERFORMANCE IN MEN 18-34 AND MEN 18-49 FOR SECOND CONSECUTIVE WEEK


“EVERWOOD” JOINS THE WB'S THURSDAY NIGHT PARTY WITH +240% YEAR-TO-YEAR GROWTH IN ADULTS 18-34 AND ADULTS 18-49 AS “SMALLVILLE” RANKS #1 IN ITS TIME PERIOD AMONG MEN 18-34 AND #2 IN ADULTS 18-34, PERSONS 12-34 AND MEN 12-34
“EVERWOOD” RANKS #3 IN ITS TIME PERIOD AMONG WOMEN 18-34 AND WOMEN 12-34

THE WB IS #3 FOR THURSDAY IN ALL 18-34 AND 12-34 DEMOS AND SCORES +167% GAINS OVER THE PARALLEL WEEK LAST SEASON IN ADULTS 18-34

The WB's Thursday lineup built on its outstanding opening performance last week again achieving THE NETWORK'S ALL-TIME BEST-EVER THURSDAY RATINGS among men 18-34 (2.5/8) and men 18-49 (2.2/6) and its highest ratings in adults 18-49 (2.2/6) since October 2001. Among adults 18-34 (2.4/7), persons 12-34 (2.2/7) and women 18-49 (2.1/5), The WB achieved its best Thursday ratings since January 2003.

EVERWOOD achieved tremendous year-to-year gains compared to the parallel week last year in all key demos, including +240% in adults 18-34 (1.7/5), +240% in adults 18-49 (1.7/4) and +220% in persons 12-34 (1.6/5) as well as +239% in total viewers (4 million). Impressively, EVERWOOD, which was #3 in its time period among women 18-34 and women 12-34, showed greater gains in male demos (+250% in men 18-34), despite going up against a baseball playoff game on Fox.

EVERWOOD also established itself as a winner on Thursday compared to its first outing this season with +31% gains among adults 18-34 and adults 18-49 as well as +23% in persons 12-34 and +15% in total viewers.

SMALLVILLE, in its second week on Thursday, again established itself as a major player on the night. SMALLVILLE WON ITS TIME PERIOD, RANKING #1 in men 18-34 and was #2, defeating “Joey” and “Will and Grace” on NBC, “Alias” on ABC, “Everybody Hates Chris” on UPN and baseball on Fox, in adults 18-34 (3.0/10), persons 12-34 (2.8/9) and men 12-34 (3.0/11) and was #3 in women 18-34 (2.6/8) and women 12-34 (2.6/8). SMALLVILLE improved its time period over the parallel week last season in all 18-34, 18-49 and 12-34 demos, including +131% in adults 18-34, +86% in adults 18-49 and +115% in persons 12-34, as well as +87% in total viewers (5.9 million).

For the night, the record-breaking WB lineup, was #3 across all 18-34 and 12-34 demos from 8-10 p.m. and built over the parallel week in all 18-34, 18-49 and 12-34 demos, including +167% in adults 18-34 (2.4/7), +144% in adults 18-49 (2.2/6) and persons 12-34 (2.2/7) as well as +129% in total viewers (4.9 million).




That is so totally cool! And with next week's episode looking like a real winner things are looking good.:up: :)

[Brainiac 8]

I was gonna post this and you did first, oh well.:o


Let's hope they keep it up, because it is just great that it is doing so well!:up: :)

Let Everwood stick that in it's pipe and smoke it. hehe:D

[Lara]

I think with all the actual realistic drama from this week things will continue to do well. One great mythology episode then one very dramatic character driven one, next Marsters, things are looking good =)

[Michael Corleone]

Well it is great to see the ratings take such a nice jump. I hope WB and the producers recognize this and keep moving towards a strong story and not give us clark and lana up and downs. Lets keep the story moving with Lana being a major character. Not just the girl that keeps getting pissed at him everytime he runs off. I hope they keep their promise. Have Clark step up and be the man he is meant to be. But overall I havent had any real complaints. Lana and Clark getting together was handled with class.

[avidreader]

Lana and Clark getting together was handled with class.

It was really beautiful wasnt it.:)

[AgentPat]

Here's a recap, for those making comparisons:

Arrival:

Men 18-34 (3.5/12) #1
Men 18-49 (2.2/9) #2
Men 12-34 (3.3/11) #1

Adults 18-34 (3.1/9)
Adults 18-49 (2.6/7)
Persons 12-34 (3.0/9)
Households: 3.5/6
Total viewers (5.9M)

Gain over last year's time period:
+138% in adults 18-34
+131% in persons 12-34


Mortal:

Men 18-34 (2.5/8) #1
Men 18-49 (2.2/6)
Men 12-34 (3.0/11) #2

Women 18-34 (2.6/8) #3
Women 18-49 (2.1/5)
Women 12-34 (2.6/8) #3

Adults 18-34 (3.0/10) #2
Adults 18-49 (2.6/7) #3
Persons 12-34 (2.8/9) #2
Households (3.6/6) (up 2.86%)
Total viewers (5.9M)

Gain over last year's time period:
+131% in adults 18-34
+86% in adults 18-49
+115% in persons 12-34
+87% in total viewers


Rating: Percentage of all households. Each point represents 1,102,000 households, or 1 percent of the nation's estimated 110.2 million TV homes.
Share: Percentage of in-use televisions tuned to a given show.
#: Overall rank of program in said category for the night

Example (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/ratings.cgi?id=sample) of how ratings work.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well it is great to see the ratings take such a nice jump. I hope WB and the producers recognize this and keep moving towards a strong story and not give us clark and lana up and downs. Lets keep the story moving with Lana being a major character. Not just the girl that keeps getting pissed at him everytime he runs off. I hope they keep their promise. Have Clark step up and be the man he is meant to be. But overall I havent had any real complaints. Lana and Clark getting together was handled with class.


on point

[The Incredible Hulk]

Because of the second episode being meidocre just watch the ratings go down next week :down

They should have better continued from episode 1, possibly making it a 2 parter :o

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/pics/broken_record.jpg

[avidreader]

Here's a recap, for those making comparisons:





Rating: Percentage of all households. Each point represents 1,102,000 households, or 1 percent of the nation's estimated 110.2 million TV homes.
Share: Percentage of in-use televisions tuned to a given show.
#: Overall rank of program in said category for the night

Example (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/ratings.cgi?id=sample) of how ratings work.

Thanks for posting that Pat.

"-- The number of actual total viewers CANNOT be determined from the household rating/share. Unfortunately, we do not have access to the total viewers numbers on a daily basis."

Does this mean they cant tell how many people within a household watches?

[avidreader]

http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/pics/broken_record.jpg

I agree, if I wanted to read so many negative posts I'd go over to Ksite. I'm sick to death of it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I agree, if I wanted to read so many negative posts I'd go over to Ksite. I'm sick to death of it.


See I dont mind negative posts, if they at least give some well thought out reason as to why they feel the show fell short. When I have an issue with the show, I explain it from my perspective in more than 3 words. It's the crap where people post:

"FOTW :down:"

"Lame"

"It's raping the mythology" (even though they've never read a pre-Byrne comic)

"teh epsiode was suXX0rx"

when you know theyre doing it just to try and be jerks and troll the forums. :down:

[AgentPat]

Thanks for posting that Pat.

"-- The number of actual total viewers CANNOT be determined from the household rating/share. Unfortunately, we do not have access to the total viewers numbers on a daily basis."

Does this mean they cant tell how many people within a household watches?Correct. Nielsen boxes (and other forms of devices used for recording viewership) can't confirm that a television that's turned on and tuned into a particular channel at a particular time actually has a set of eyes watching it. The only thing they know is the demographic of members living in the households rigged with such devices.

[avidreader]

See I dont mind negative posts, if they at least give some well thought out reason as to why they feel the show fell short. When I have an issue with the show, I explain it from my perspective in more than 3 words. It's the crap where people post:

"FOTW :down:"

"Lame"

"It's raping the mythology" (even though they've never read a pre-Byrne comic)

"teh epsiode was suXX0rx"

when you know theyre doing it just to try and be jerks and troll the forums. :down:

Precisely.

And your right, negative criticism can be good, as it can enable you to see things in a different light, and perhaps a rebuttal can also make the initial critic see things in a different light as well. That is what discussion is all about.

[avidreader]

Correct. Nielsen boxes (and other forms of devices used for recording viewership) can't confirm that a television that's turned on and tuned into a particular channel at a particular time actually has a set of eyes watching it. The only thing they know is the demographic of members living in the households rigged with such devices.

I dont have a Nielsen box, so I guess I dont count. But during Arrival there were six people watching in my house watching on one TV set, and last night there were six people again, watching on two TV sets.

[KikiDee]

Correct. Nielsen boxes (and other forms of devices used for recording viewership) can't confirm that a television that's turned on and tuned into a particular channel at a particular time actually has a set of eyes watching it. The only thing they know is the demographic of members living in the households rigged with such devices.

It seems to be an archaic way of getting a percentage to me. Do they make sure that every household that gets one has access to all of the channels? I just think the system needs to be updated.