Casting Thread for WATCHMEN (Suggestions and Announcements!!!)

[Threshold]

Hey, seeing as how Watchmen is kicking into gear, I thought I'd start up a big ol' casting thread for the flick.

First off I think that Simon Pegg of "Shaun of the Dead" fame should definitley be Rorschach. It's been rumored, I believe when Arronofsky was still attached to direct, but I hope Greengrass takes notice. He'd be awesome!

Anyone else have ideas?

[ShaneHelms]

Dennis Farina for Eddie Blake. Perfect too a T.

[The Guard]

These aren't all spot-on with the comic book characters, but...

ADRIAN VEIDT
Jude Law
Matthew McConaughey

DR. MANHATTAN
CGI/Ed Harris

NIGHT OWL
Kurt Russell

RORSCHACH
William H. Macy

SILK SPECTRE
Claire Forlani

MOLOCH
Christopher Walken

THE COMEDIAN
Harvey Keitel
Bruce Campbell

[blind_fury]

Nite Owl- John Cusack
The Comedian- Harvey Keitel or James Woods
Dr. Manhattan- Russel Crowe
Rorschach- Ray Liotta
Ozymandias- Erik Stoltz
Silk Spectre- Diane Lane or Juliane Moore

[Threshold]

I think that Gwyneth Paltrow should play Young Sally Jupiter in flashbacks and then have her mother Blythe Danner play Sally Jupiter in the present.

[GL-Corps#28]

Gary Sinise for Rorschach!

[Threshold]

Rorschach: Simon Pegg
Nite-Owl: John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan: Josh Lucas/CGI
Laurel Jane: Amanda Peet
Comedian: Dennis Farina
Ozymandias: Jude Law

[The Guard]

Am I the only person who thinks Cusack is an uninspired choice for Night Owl? And...Amanda Peet as Laurie? Yes. Oh, God, yes.

[Threshold]

I think a younger Jeff Goldblum would've made a great Nite-Owl.

[The Guard]

Morgan Freeman as Dr. Malcom Long. :)

[SpiderHam]

Jeffrey Combs for Rorschach!

[Philly Phanboy]

Am I the only person who thinks Cusack is an uninspired choice for Night Owl?

I agree with you. Nite Owl should be a little older and more out of shape than Cusack. Not to mention, I really can't see Cusack in this type of movie.

Too bad Alec Baldwin is a little too old, he'd fit the character best in my opinion.

[Emerald Knight]

Of course they'd HAVE to keep The actor of Rorschach a secret until people see him in the movie, to get the same feel as the book.

[SpiderHam]

See, that's actually a problem with my choice for Rorschach, as Combs has a very distinct voice. Good for Rorschach, but bad for the mystery.

[The Guard]

Exactly, re: Cusack. That's one reason I like Kurt Russell. VANILLA SKY showed me what I think Dan Dreiberg should be like in a WATCHMEN film. You need someone who used to kick ass and now doesn't look much like he did. And Emerald Knight, edit your post to remove that spoiler.

[Emerald Knight]

there you go, sorry about that. I just assumed that people here already read the book.

[The Guard]

So do I, sometimes, but I guess a lot of people haven't.

[Threshold]

I just read it this weekend, Watchmen was my first ever purchase from Amazon (and will not be the last)!

[Oerwinde]

I still like the idea of Val Kilmer as Veidt

[Threshold]

Yeah that would work really well.

[GL-Corps#28]

This is gonna come off as mean, but wouldn't Val fit the Dreiberg role a little better nowadays?

[Emerald Knight]

yeah, after seeing the Island of Doctor Mureau, I felt that he could pull off the crazy aspect, while with Batman Forever (decent, not great) he could convey the "hero" aspect of Veidt.

[Takeshi Kovacs]

Kiefer Sutherland for Rorschach!!:mad:

[comicmovies4eva]

So when do you think they will have this cast? Next month or two?

[GL-Corps#28]

Yeah, right.

[Threshold]

I'd suspect to hear some casting decisions in march!

[Dr. Manhatten]

My choices for the millionth time:

Rorschach: Robert Patrick
Nite Owl: James Spader
The Comedian: Dennis Farina
Laurie: Maggie Gyllenhaal
Dr. Manhatten: Christian Bale
Ozymandias: Val Kilmer
Sally Jupiter: Ellen Burstyn

[Threshold]

Simon Pegg must play Rorschach!!!

[The Guard]

Why? If anything, Pegg is even too "normal" for Rorschach.

[Threshold]

Normal? He's an actor! They play different parts! He's got a good look for Rorschach and has the wide range for it as well.

[The Guard]

Eh, could work. Haven't seen much of him before.

[Threshold]

He's really good in Spaced and his Shaun of the Dead makes him not exactly well known by the populus, but known enough to perhaps get a role in Watchmen. He's also be previously rumored for Rorschach.

[SpiderHam]

He also really wants the part.

[Threshold]

Exactly!

[igotatromboner]

I hope you guys do know that Jude Law is pretty much confirmed for Rorschach, the man has a tattoo of him and is one of the main reasons the movie is even being made.

[Philly Phanboy]

I hope you guys do know that Jude Law is pretty much confirmed for Rorschach, the man has a tattoo of him and is one of the main reasons the movie is even being made.

Huh? What makes you think that he'd be Rorschach? Simon Pegg has been listed as the only cast member signed on to Watchmen at Freezedriedmovies.com http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/film.php?id=107 and I'm pretty sure he's Rorschach.

[Threshold]

I hope you guys do know that Jude Law is pretty much confirmed for Rorschach, the man has a tattoo of him and is one of the main reasons the movie is even being made.

That statement couldn't be more false.

[Emerald Knight]

sorry to tell you this, but he's wanted to play Veidt. From what I've read in an article. He looks a hell of a lot more like the World's Smartest Man than a nutjob in a mask.

[Threshold]

He's actually wanted to play Rorschach, but realizes that he'd make for a much better Veidt instead. He'd do any role in that movie if he was asked.

[GL-Corps#28]

Law for Veidt sounds good, but Pegg just doesn't fit as Ror for me.

[Emerald Knight]

I just think that Pegg has the look for Rorschach behind the mask. The dirty hair, his face isn't an Adonis...All I need to see are some more of his acting bits to see if he could pull off the psycho we all know and love. I've only seen Shawn of the Dead, and he was awesome in that.

[Threshold]

I've no doubt that Pegg could pull off the psycho as well as that eerie monotone voice.

[Emerald Knight]

Edit: Sorry, misred your post threshold.


It would be cool, we just have to wait and see.

[snazzy J]

Morgan Freeman as Dr. Malcom Long. :)
I don't know how you can say Cusack is uninspired and then go and say this.

[Edward Brock]

Actually, I thought it was a pretty good call. But how about Charles S. Dutton?

[Takeshi Kovacs]

Sutherland for rorschach dammit!:mad:

[snazzy J]

Actually, I thought it was a pretty good call. But how about Charles S. Dutton?
Not bad. But come on. Morgan Freeman can't just be standard-older-black-guy for all comic movies. He's not Gary Oldman, for god's sake. He doesn't look a thing like Long, aside from being black, and he's far too old. Long is like 40-50 years old, tops.

[snazzy J]

I'm not so sure about Simon Pegg and Jude Law as Rorschach and Ozymandius. Law is great and all and I loved Pegg in Shaun of the Dead, but they're both about ten years too young, or at least look it. They're supposed to be 40ish and I don't think I could buy that from them.

[snazzy J]

For my cast, I really haven't decided on anyone except for Ozymandius: Cary Elwes. Think about it, he's perfect. He's the perfect age, he definitely has the whole "Aryan god" thing going on, and he's got the acting chops for it. Also, he works better as a surprise villian. You see Jude Law, you know he's gonna be important. He's not just gonna have a minor role. He's too much of a big name for that, so people would see the twist coming (though it's not like it's hard to guess it). On the other hand, everybody would buy Elwes as a minor, supporting character since, despite all his experience, he's not particularly famous. All he needs to do is bulk up a bit, and he's right off the page.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1279/CaryElwes_Aussenard_257992_400.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

You've got a good point there. I just hope that they don't label an actor for playing Rorschach during trailers...Rorschach's "face" should only be revealed by the police. I loved that mystery aspect.

[Threshold]

Ooooh, Cary Elwes as Ozymandias... I actually really dig that. He'd be awesome. Pegg is 35 by the way.

[snazzy J]

You've got a good point there. I just hope that they don't label an actor for playing Rorschach during trailers...Rorschach's "face" should only be revealed by the police. I loved that mystery aspect.
Yeah, that's we can't have a big name playing him either. If people see a big superstar carrying around the sign, they'll definitely know something's up. I really hope they don't give away who he is before it comes out. They should just not say who's been cast as Rorschach and let those who know the story figure it out on their own.

[snazzy J]

Ooooh, Cary Elwes as Ozymandias... I actually really dig that. He'd be awesome. Pegg is 35 by the way.
I know, isn't Elwes perfect? I saw somebody mention him somewhere else and he's been my man since.

About Pegg, I know he isn't that far off, age-wise, but he still looks 30-35 to me. If they could just throw on a little make-up to make him look a few years older, I'd definitely be willing to give him a shot.

[Threshold]

Yeah, bags under the eyes and such would work really well. But he has the look from the comics pretty good, all he needs to do is shave the beard. But I'm sticking with Elwes too, cause that would be inspired casting.

[Emerald Knight]

now if only WB higher-ups involved with this movie would listen to us, we'd be in business!

[snazzy J]

Now, if Elwes were Veidt, who could Jude Law play? Dr. Manhattan, maybe? I really want to find a part for him, just because he wants it so badly.

[Threshold]

yeah, I hear ya there, maybe a younger Comedian.

[Emerald Knight]

For some reason, when I think of the Comedian I think Denis Leary. Does that make me strange?

[snazzy J]

yeah, I hear ya there, maybe a younger Comedian.
There might not even be a younger Comedian in the movie, though. Think of how little he was in the comic.

[snazzy J]

For some reason, when I think of the Comedian I think Denis Leary. Does that make me strange?
No, not really. He's got the attitude and all, but I personally don't think he really has the look or the age.

[parkerpete]

O.K., Here I go, yet again:

Rorschach: Gary Sinise or Hugo Weaving
Nite-Owl: Tim Robbins, or maybe... Matthew Broderick? (screw Cusack. He's gone to crap)
Ozymandias: Val Kilmer
Dr. Manhattan: Clive Owen or Christian Bale
Silk Spectre 2: hmmm.. Naomi Watts?
Silk Spectre 1: Ellen Burstyn, or Sigourney weaver, or Anjelica Huston
The Comedian: NICK NOLTE. NICK NOLTE. DUH. I CAN'T BELIEVE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE. Or I nominate either Vincent D'onofrio (physically imposing, TERRIFIC actor, can do dark humor, and they can age him appropriately) or maybe Jeff Bridges, or... and this might be a weird choice, but it could work..... HARRISON FORD.

[Threshold]

Man, I just saw The Usual Suspects and Singer's tone for the movie would be a great match for Watchmen, had he not made X-Men, this movie would've been a great one for him to do.

[Flame on!]

I think Eric Stoltz would make a good Rorschach....he's got an interesting look to him which I think could really work.

If the flick was made at the same time that the series appeared, then Jesse Ventura would've been awesome as the Comedian....these days, I dunno who I'd pick to play him.

[snazzy J]

I want to hear some more suggestions for Manhatten. None of the ones I've heard so far have sounded all that great to me.

[reflect4ever]

Ray Liotta as The Comedian.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mgm/bandits/ray_liotta/banditspre2.jpg

Kilmer as Ozymandius
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/oscars/76th_annual_academy_awards_parties_photos/val_kilmer/oscars.jpg

Vin Diesel as Mr. Manhatten

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/tigerland/vin_diesel/tigerlandpre.jpg

[The Guard]

Vin Diesel as an intelligent, well spoken character? No. No. A thousand times no.

[reflect4ever]

Vin Diesel as an intelligent, well spoken character? No. No. A thousand times no.

It isn't like he's gonna be waxing poetic about the universe. The key to Mr. Manhatten is being aloof and distant. I can see Vin as Manhatten, but not as Silver Surfer.

Anthony Michael hall as Rorschach
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/intolerable_cruelty/anthony_michael_hall/crueltypre2.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

Anthony Michael hall as Rorschach
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/intolerable_cruelty/anthony_michael_hall/crueltypre2.jpg

Now THAT seems interesting. It would be interesting to see him as an anti-society SOB that makes Batman seem sane. I'm rooting for either Hall or Pegg now for Rorschach.

[reflect4ever]

What about Dennis Quaid as Night Owl?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/usa_films/traffic/dennis_quaid/trafficpre2.jpg

[parkerpete]

Anyone who would ask for Vin Diesel to play Dr. Manhattan.... Well, probably wouldn't be able to spell MANHATTAN.

I mean, Vin Diesel? VIN DIESEL? Have you even READ Watchmen?

And to think of how many times the fanboys complain that THEY should be running Hollywood's comic-to-film machine. Sheesh.

[snazzy J]

Just because he's bald doesn't mean he's right for the part.

[reflect4ever]

Anyone who would ask for Vin Diesel to play Dr. Manhattan.... Well, probably wouldn't be able to spell MANHATTAN.

I mean, Vin Diesel? VIN DIESEL? Have you even READ Watchmen?

And to think of how many times the fanboys complain that THEY should be running Hollywood's comic-to-film machine. Sheesh.

Yeah...I own a copy. You guys that complain about spelling are lame. You got anything better to say? If you don't agree with me fine. Other than that, see my reasoning as to WHY he could do the role. It's a freakin' opinion.

[snazzy J]

So far, my pick for Doc Manhattan is Eric Bana. I don't think he's perfect, but he's the best I've seen.

[SpiderHam]

Just because he's bald doesn't mean he's right for the part.

Kinda like all those idiots who say that Orlando Bloom should play Green Arrow.

[igotatromboner]

Okay so I was wrong with the Jude Law being Rorschachs, but I could have swore I read that somewhere, or maybe he was just interested in the character in some interview I read.

But that's not the point. You guys need to stop hating on Vin Diesel, he's not a stupid guy, i'd say he's pretty smart. He was personally picked by Steven Spielberg for a role in Saving Private Ryan, so that mean's he can act according to the biggest director in Hollywood. Sure, he's had a few flops, mainly every thing he's been in, but he's not a bad actor and I'd watch him in any of his movies over anything Jude Law has been in because Jude Law is an overrated douchebag. But whatever, we all know posters on these boards are more qualified than any director out there (Speilberg) to judge a person's acting ability.

[Threshold]

Vin's a good actor, he has some good comedic timing and he was cool as hell in the Pitch Black movie. He's just not right for Dr. Manhattan.

[Emerald Knight]

yeah, Vin's more of a young action hero type actor. Doc Manhattan is a thirty year old scientist detached from humanity, not really Diesel's forte, from what we've seen of him so far.

[snazzy J]

Okay so I was wrong with the Jude Law being Rorschachs, but I could have swore I read that somewhere, or maybe he was just interested in the character in some interview I read.

But that's not the point. You guys need to stop hating on Vin Diesel, he's not a stupid guy, i'd say he's pretty smart. He was personally picked by Steven Spielberg for a role in Saving Private Ryan, so that mean's he can act according to the biggest director in Hollywood. Sure, he's had a few flops, mainly every thing he's been in, but he's not a bad actor and I'd watch him in any of his movies over anything Jude Law has been in because Jude Law is an overrated douchebag. But whatever, we all know posters on these boards are more qualified than any director out there (Speilberg) to judge a person's acting ability.
Wow, you must be the only person in the world who doesn't like Jude Law. How is that even possible? He's so charming. :confused:

[snazzy J]

So anyone care to top my Eric Bana for Manhattan?

[Threshold]

Eric Bana would be good for either Manhattan or Nite-Owl.

[cryptic name]

i still like cusack for nite owl. not only is he good for the part, but he's my favorite actor. and simon pegg id definitely my rorschach.

ooh, what about bruce campbell for drieburg? that could be interesting

[Threshold]

Pegg for Rorschach and Cusack for Nite-Owl works for me!

[Emerald Knight]

I second that.

[Motown Marvel]

dude...how could you guys not see it? the perfect rorshach is SEAN BEAN. he looks just like walter kovacs. and defenitely jude law for ozymandias. and im not too sure about this (just popped in my head) but, maybe ewan mcgreggor for dr. manhattan....???? think it over for a sec. and i kind dig the idea of liotta as the comedian, who ever mentioned that.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I love how people bring up Vin Diesel just because he shaves his head bald and the character is bald...haha.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Eric Bana for Manhattan is a great choice. I suggested him too months ago.
And back in the early nineties, my top choice for Ozymandias was Iain Glen and the one for Niteowl was Jeff Bridges.

[Emerald Knight]

Yeah, Bana can do that whole unemotional, detached from humanity aspect of the character. Jeff Bridges does remind me of Nite-Owl, now that I think about it. That's really creepy because I just saw K-PAX, awesome movie. I'm still rooting for Pegg as Rorschach, Val Kilmer as Ozymandias, and Ray Liotta as the Comedian.

[snazzy J]

Ok, my personal cast at the moment is:

Rorschach - Simon Pegg
Nite Owl 2 - John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan - Eric Bana
Ozymandius - Cary Elwes
The Comedian - Dennis Farina

[ZeroCorpse]

I will scream this as often as I can! The perfect Rorschach is DOUG HUTCHISON. He was Percy Wetmore in "The Green Mile" and "Toomes" in The X-Files.

Burt Reynolds should be the old Comedian.

Cary Elwes is Ozymandius, or he SHOULD be!

[snazzy J]

I will scream this as often as I can! The perfect Rorschach is DOUG HUTCHISON. He was Percy Wetmore in "The Green Mile" and "Toomes" in The X-Files.

Burt Reynolds should be the old Comedian.

Cary Elwes is Ozymandius, or he SHOULD be!
Not bad, not bad at all.

[The Guard]

Other than Cary Elwes...

[Threshold]

Ok, my personal cast at the moment is:

Rorschach - Simon Pegg
Nite Owl 2 - John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan - Eric Bana
Ozymandius - Cary Elwes
The Comedian - Dennis Farina

same, and Amanda Peet as Laurie!

[snazzy J]

same, and Amanda Peet as Laurie!
Works for me.

[Threshold]

found some cool Watchmen stuff @ C2F:

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/8475/watchmenthemovie5oh.jpg

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/9229/art99806wv.jpg

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/4008/art147740sx.jpg

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/8396/12op.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

nice stuff. I love the image with Rorschach. Although they'd have to update the 2005 bit there with the big poster.

[Threshold]

yeah, here's a promising script review:

http://linux10985.dn.net/display.cgi?id=13607

[Emerald Knight]

Why should there have to be a "moral closure"?

[C.F. Kane]

My picks for Rorschach: either Andy Serkis or Brad Douriff

[Threshold]

Ask for a Watchmen Forum:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5144117

[snazzy J]

Why should there have to be a "moral closure"?
That's Hollywood, baby. I can tell you what it is if you don't know.

[Emerald Knight]

I know both endings. And frankly, I don't want any "moral f***ing closure!" I, and many others, enjoy the book the way it ends. Taking away that element takes away one of the reasons that made Watchmen so great.

I apologize for being angry, but tampering with Watchmen is like somebody tampering with stuff like "The Godfather" or "The Wizard of Oz" movies

[snazzy J]

Check out the spoils of my recent eBay shopping spree (well, it wasn't much of a spree, but still):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6513560758&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

http://www.newasiaco.com/watchmen.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6513124493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

http://highpowr.bizland.com/ebay/02185-05.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

:mad: You and your precious "e-bay."


j/k:D awesome stuff man.

[snazzy J]

I know both endings. And frankly, I don't want any "moral f***ing closure!" I, and many others, enjoy the book the way it ends. Taking away that element takes away one of the reasons that made Watchmen so great.

I apologize for being angry, but tampering with Watchmen is like somebody tampering with stuff like "The Godfather" or "The Wizard of Oz" movies
I know, I know. It's not that terrible, though. It could definitely be worse. At least, a third of New York still dies, though less messily. And the ending might have been changed in a more recent draft. As of now, I'm still willing to give the movie a chance.

[snazzy J]

:mad: You and your precious "e-bay."


j/k:D awesome stuff man.
Thanks. I think that set of buttons is actually pretty rare.

[Emerald Knight]

so am I, I just really hope that Night Owl doesn't kill Ozymandias. Either way, from what I've read in the reviews, I'm still going to enjoy it.

[Johnny DC]

Michael Madsen for Comedian Dammit! :mad::up:

[reflect4ever]

Michael Madsen for Comedian Dammit! :mad::up:

Good pick. I thought this when I was watching "Tilt" last week.

[reflect4ever]

Those buttons are phat, Snazzy.

[snazzy J]

Those buttons are phat, Snazzy.
You don't have to tell me. I still have to pay for them though...

[Threshold]

Madsen would be a great Comedian!

[snazzy J]

Madsen would be a great Comedian!
He's too young for me. Maybe in a flashback to Vietnam or something. Though he might be too old for that. Hmm...

[Emerald Knight]

That's why I think Liotta would be great as the older Comedian. He's got a bit more age to him. And I think he really looks like Blake in some angled shots.

[snazzy J]

That's why I think Liotta would be great as the older Comedian. He's got a bit more age to him. And I think he really looks like Blake in some angled shots.
He's only three years older though, and that only pushes him up to 50. Blake (or at least old Blake) should be in his 60s, that's why I'm for Farina. Just dye the hair on the top of his head black and you got yourself quite a Comedian:

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0265808/stealing_7861.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

okay, I see what you mean.

[Philly Phanboy]

He's only three years older though, and that only pushes him up to 50. Blake (or at least old Blake) should be in his 60s, that's why I'm for Farina. Just dye the hair on the top of his head black and you got yourself quite a Comedian:



Farina is a little small for the part.

In the book, the detectives comment that "..he looked beefy enough to protect himself (they thought he was against at least 2 assailants too) For a guy his age, he was in terrific shape." This doesn't sound like Farina at all.

[snazzy J]

Farina is a little small for the part.

In the book, the detectives comment that "..he looked beefy enough to protect himself (they thought he was against at least 2 assailants too) For a guy his age, he was in terrific shape." This doesn't sound like Farina at all.
Well he's 6' 2'', which I'd say is pretty decent sized. He could always just work out a bit before filming. Also, they could pad his costume/clothes a little bit to give him a little more size.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I think we can rule Bana out as Doc Manhattan. He is in the new Spielberg movie, that probably will still be rolling when they start shooting Watchmen.

[Threshold]

I was thinking Daniel Day-Lewis for Dr.Manhattan if they could get him.

[snazzy J]

I was thinking Daniel Day-Lewis for Dr.Manhattan if they could get him.
Ooh. He could definitely act it, but he's a bit old for it. Honestly, though, I think he could pull off being 30ish, especially since he'll be painted blue for most, if not all, of the time. I might just have to add him to my list.

[Philly Phanboy]

I think he could pull off being 30ish, especially since he'll be painted blue for most, if not all, of the time.

I agree, plus he really hasn't changed much in the looks department from his earlier films either. He might have to put on some weight though. DDL's in really good shape but he's a tad underweight for a supreme being.:p

[Threshold]

So I had a good idea?



YES! Take that elementary school! I proved you wrong! ;)

[Philly Phanboy]

Sorry Thresh, I'm all outta gold stars and cookies for ya. :D

[Threshold]

Okay, but you gotta write an "I O U"..... AND NO BACKSIES!!!

[Threshold]

How about Alan Alda as Nite-Owl I?

[Threshold]

Wouldn't Alan Alda be great as Nite-Owl I?

[snazzy J]

Wouldn't Alan Alda be great as Nite-Owl I?
I'm not so sure about that one. He's great and all, but he doesn't really look like the kinda' guy that used to be a big, strong masked avenger like Nite Owl. I was thinking more along the lines of a Paul Newman type for him.

[Threshold]

Just thinking out loud. Maybe he'd be better as Moloch.

[snazzy J]

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=2654

Joan Allen Up for Watchmen?
Source: IGN Filmforce
February 28, 2005


IGN Filmforce (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/591/591892p1.html) has learned that Joan Allen may be part of Paul Greengrass' Watchmen cast. Allen previously teamed-up with the director for hit sequel "The Bourne Supremacy":

We heard a rumor that Oscar-nominated actress Joan Allen - who appeared in The Bourne Supremacy as shady government operative Pamela Landy - might portray Sally Jupiter (a.k.a. The Silk Spectre I) in Watchmen.

For those unfamiliar with the Alan Moore/Dave Gibbons comic book, Sally Juspeczyk (she later changed her surname to Jupiter) was the mother of Laurie Jupiter. Both women fought crime under the guise of The Silk Spectre. Sally's relationship with the slain Comedian (Edward Blake) is a key subplot in both the comic and the screenplay adaptation by David Hayter.

Read more about the possible casting at the link above. Thanks to 'Stax' for the heads up.




On the IGN website, it says that they just heard some rumors about her and that her people wouldn't comment on it. Doesn't sound too conclusive.

[snazzy J]

I don't know about this Joan Allen business. She's a good actress, but I'd say she's about 20 years too young for Silk Spectre 1.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0372183/5593_D071_00042R_rgb.jpg

[Threshold]

Yeah, at 48 years old she seems a bit too young for the role. I think someone like Blythe Danner should have that role. I kinda want them to cast the bigger roles first though.

[Philly Phanboy]

Joan Allen?!? What are they thinking? Silk Spectre 1 is probably one of the easier characters to cast. She must be an older actress that is voluptuous and a bit of a showboat plus she should have red hair. Looking at those criteria here's my choice:

http://afm.infinit.net/chro/queens/elvira011.JPG

But you probably know Cassandra Peterson dressed up like this:

http://www.elvira.com/gfx/oscar.jpg

Yup, good ol' Elvira herself. Her looks and personality are a great match for this role.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005308/

[Threshold]

Still a little young for the role. She needs to be at least sixty.

[harley]

:o http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5154686#post5154686 :)

[Philly Phanboy]

:o http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5154686#post5154686 :)

:confused: Uhhhh...ummmmm....ok, so are you trying to tell us in a cryptic way that you want Monica Belluci?

[Philly Phanboy]

Still a little young for the role. She needs to be at least sixty.

CP's not that far from the right age. Can you think of anybody that would have as much fun with the role? Keep in mind that with the tone of the movie, Spectre's mom should be kept mostly lighthearted until she tells who the father is.

[harley]

:confused: Uhhhh...ummmmm....ok, so are you trying to tell us in a cryptic way that you want Monica Belluci?

nah!
I'm truely sorry, I'm out of my shoes this evening.I wanted to post that in the" a ame for wonderwoman" or something....
I'm tired seeing same threads with different namespopping all the time.
Sorry again.

[somnambulating]

I'm not satisfied with Joan Allen. I can only be so optimistic. Guys, I think it's time we take matters into our own hands, this is a call to arms...


they messed-up From Hell, they messed-up LXG, they messed-up Constantine, and you can bet the Watchowski's are making sure V for Vendetta doesn't break the trend.

BUT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY TOO LATE FOR THE WATCHMEN!

all this film has at the moment is a director, possibly an actress, and a teaser site. the fans still have the chance to drive the point home, alright. some are probably reading this and thinking how trite it is to be this idealistic but i'm beyond the point of caring, there has not been one exceptional film derived from the work of this truly exceptional writer.

so what is there to do about it?

watchmen needs a fan site, much like this one NOW! not three months before the film launches (and there will be plenty then, after the fact) when there's no longer anything that can be done. I don't have the means or no how but I know one of you does. I don't know what else I can say but if you want me begging on my knees, I'll do it (hey, it got Brando the Godfather, right?).

Sin City lucked-out in having Miller as part of the process but the film world has been rather unkind in adapting Moore's works and I hope we can have some small influence in assuring that this won't happen again. I'm not the man for the job, computer-illiterate you see, but I bet one of you is...

[Threshold]

I do a Watchmen movie fansite if I hadn't spent the last of my money on F411 and the Watchmen TPB.

[reflect4ever]

Why is it most of the people on this thread believe that a cast of 60-somethings should be cast for most if not all the roles in a Watchmen movie and that the movie will succeed? Not attacking anyone, just injecting conversation.

[SpiderHam]

Because the characters in question were active costumed heroes in the 40s, making them 60 at the time the story takes place.

[Philly Phanboy]

A 48 year old Joan Allen being the mother of a 35 year old character won't seem right either. Greengrass being loyal to a great actress is one thing, but she just doesn't fit this role.

Joan Allen as the character "Janey", maybe if they can make her look really young when she first dated Dr. Manhattan

[Threshold]

Maybe Greengrass can work some magic with some makeup and prosthetics and it could work. Allen would be a good choice for the part, she's got the chops.

[Philly Phanboy]

Maybe Greengrass can work some magic with some makeup and prosthetics and it could work. Allen would be a good choice for the part, she's got the chops.

Joan Allen as "Sally" or as "Janey"? The Sally character should have the look of a former pin-up model, which Joan obviously doesn't.

[Threshold]

She was pretty hot in the late Arthur Miller's "All My Sons".

[somnambulating]

c'mon guys, let's not give up on this project. look, I think if people didn't just right off Constantine as a fluke right from the get go and the studio felt sense of fnas wishes, many things would've hinged on that. I know this all seems so far ftched, but I'm in moviemaking myself, alright, as a part-time profession and I know that the slightest of suggestions here and there that a creator may stumble uponcould really get the creative juices flowing. just don't give up on the project or it'll be doomed for sure, mark my words.

look, i've heard all of one review of David Hayter's script and it has been exclusively glowing. it was being called oscar-bait material and a whole bunch of other lovely nonsense and Paul Greengrass is not a terrible director it's just that neither is the genius of Moore and Gibbons. Neither are the fans, true, but there are many of us who've grown up with this material, who've been reading it for decades now and some of us have an inkling of how this ought to be done. regardless of whether you think fan presence will have any effect, a work like Watchmen really deserves it's own spot on the web regardless, right?

[Threshold]

Who's giving up on Watchmen? Who in their right mind would ever do that? Hayter is a gigantic fan of Watchmen, this has been a dream project of his for a while. I don't know about Greengrass, but I'd be willing to bet that if he wasn't a fan before, he is now. Don't forget that Singer wasn't an X-Fan until he made X-Men and he made a great first movie and an even better sequel.

[somnambulating]

sorry, that was sort of a drunken ramble, haha.

alright, let's be constructive here. If obtaining websapace is a problem, I've got that covered, free of charge. I just can't design the thing. Folks, we need a forum to discuss this flick and comic and SHH (as exemplified in the past) won't provide this for us until it has already picked up steam... steam we're trying to influence before it's made it's way to the engine.

[parkerpete]

Joan Allen is a fine choice for Sally Jupiter. She's not the first actress who came to mind (see my previous post for that list), but she's a terrific actress who can easily play older with some minor makeup. To my mind, the most difficult casting will be for Eddie Blake. A good actor, convincingly in his sixties, but large and in excellent shape. That's a tall order. Personally, I think Nick Nolte would hit it out of the park.

As for the other characters, they're all extremely important. But not as difficult a casting job as Eddie.

[snazzy J]

Joan Allen is a fine choice for Sally Jupiter. She's not the first actress who came to mind (see my previous post for that list), but she's a terrific actress who can easily play older with some minor makeup. To my mind, the most difficult casting will be for Eddie Blake. A good actor, convincingly in his sixties, but large and in excellent shape. That's a tall order. Personally, I think Nick Nolte would hit it out of the park.

As for the other characters, they're all extremely important. But not as difficult a casting job as Eddie.
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0246464/14-CT-375.jpg

[snazzy J]

Check out the spoils of my recent eBay shopping spree (well, it wasn't much of a spree, but still):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6513560758&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

http://www.newasiaco.com/watchmen.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6513124493&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

http://highpowr.bizland.com/ebay/02185-05.jpg
Now it's a spree.

http://www.thetimecapsule.com/folders/seth10/watchmen.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6514972168&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

[somnambulating]

well, I don't have to beg for it anymore. a message board is up at the official site.

[lowercasegods]

My vote for the Comedian is Ian McShane. If anyone's seen HBO's Deadwood, McShane plays Al Swearengen, a very complicated villain on the show. He's a brilliant actor, and he's got the most deadly eyes you've ever seen. Not to mention his character on Deadwood looks very much like you'd expect the Comedian to look. I dunno. I think he's perfect for the role.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0574534/

[Threshold]

Hmmm, maybe...

[Philly Phanboy]

My vote for the Comedian is Ian McShane. If anyone's seen HBO's Deadwood, McShane plays Al Swearengen, a very complicated villain on the show. He's a brilliant actor, and he's got the most deadly eyes you've ever seen. Not to mention his character on Deadwood looks very much like you'd expect the Comedian to look. I dunno. I think he's perfect for the role.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0574534/

If Ian McShane was larger, I'd agree with your pick 100%. Too bad he's only 5'9 and not very muscular. I might suggest going with M.C. Gainey for the part of Edward Blake. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/).

http://www.bikernet.com/projroom/images/mcgainey.jpg

[lowercasegods]

Physically, I see your point. Gainey does look the part. But I just can't get McShane out of my head for The Comedian. I feel he's a very strong actor, much more so than Gainey, and based on his performance in Deadwood, he totally embodies Alan Moore's written portrayal of the character. And I gotta stress, look into McShane's eyes. There's so much raw intensity there, so much unhinged emotion, so much boiling passion that would make the Comedian breathe and thrive on screen.

If heights an issue, McShane can wear lifts in his boots, no big deal. And besides, Hugh Jackman is at least six foot tall while Wolverine is supposed to be five foot nothing, but we completely accept Jackman's portrayal. And McShane can easily work out and get toned for the role. The biggest point here is the ability to act the part, which McShane can do better than Gainey or any other actor mentioned thus far.

Anyway, I have a feeling the producers of Watchmen will be looking for a lesser known actor like McShane for the part rather than a huge name. Nobody knew who Hugh Jackman was, but now he's Wolverine. Besides being the Commish, Michael Chiklis had no real iconic characters, but he's bound to be known as the Thing from now on.

Maybe for a more mainstream character like Spider-Man they'd want to take less chances and go with a name actor. But for something as smart, dark and risky as Watchmen, you need to find an actor not known as a name, but who will embody the role and essentially become the character. Leastwise, that should be their approach. But who knows how they'll do it. I guess when we see Danny DeVito wearing a domino mask and a smiley face button we can truly know just how wrong we were.

[Threshold]

How about Bruce McGill?

[lowercasegods]

Y'know what, Threshold? You and Philly Fanboy are my kinda guys. I love that you're thinking of good, solid character actors for these roles rather than huge A-list celebrities. It's the exact same way my mind is going with casting on Watchmen, specifically the Comedian. So seriously, you guys rule.

I really like the suggestions you two have come up with, and I embarrasedly admit that I hadn't thought of either Gainey or McGill initially, but having them suggested to me, they seem like such obvious candidates. I'll be filing that under the "why the hell didn't I think of that?" category.

And you know when McGill really looked the part of the Comedian? 1978's Animal House. He had the physique, face and hair. It's kind of wild to think about.

But I still have to stand by my guy McShane (man, we love our Mc's, don't we?). But not just because of some petty "this is my choice so I'm standing by him no matter if someone better is suggested" sort of mind set. Even more so than with Gainey, McShane is a better actor than McGill. He's darker, has greater intensity, let's not forget those wicked eyes, and his voice, God help us, his voice. So gruff, commanding, powerful and expressive. And of course, with his dark hair and ability to sprout a mean mustache, he looks like the character. It all just screams the Comedian to me.

McGill has one thing that McShane doesn't, which is maybe an inch and a half over him in height. Other than that, McGill is physically much worse off for the character than McShane (while McShane has a slight ponch that could easily be remedied, McGill is pretty rotund). McGill's face seems to have kind of a perpetually confused, almost slightly drunk look to it, like he wouldn't necessarily have the smarts enough to know everything that the Comedian is supposed to know.

And lastly, McGill's voice has kind of a wimpy, nasally quality to it, which works for the goofy best friend next door character, but not necessarily for the Comedian, a guy who's seen the darkest corners of life and laughed at them through a broken bottle-ravaged face. McGill actually reminds me, in appearance and voice, of my old highschool friend Brian, who himself was a roly-poly, boozy guy. And I've purposefully kept him drunk so he wouldn't audition for the role (oh man, am I kidding!).

But I love the suggestions you guys have given, and like I said, I feel like we're on the same wavelength. It gives me some serious hope for this film to see the direction the fans' collective mindset is going here, and even more hope that the producers of The Watchmen will listen.

[Threshold]

Yeah, just throwing out ideas. But I'm not at all sold on McShane.

[RedIsNotBlue]

How about Ray Liotta?

http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/jun02/liotta061602_big.jpg

[lowercasegods]

Personally, I think everyone's ideas for casting the Comedian are on the money. There's not a one that couldn't be feasably pulled off (except maybe my wise-ass Danny DeVito comment a few posts earlier). And I think Ray Liotta could really clean house as the Comedian if they go with a big name guy. In fact, I'd say he'd be my second choice.

About a year ago when I was dream-casting this movie, I thought I'd like to see Daniel Day Lewis playing the Comedian, based on his killer performance as Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York. But Lewis is kind of highbrow, and I don't know if he'd ever allow himself to be in a comic book film (though I heard a rumor last night that he'd been considered as Jor-El for the new Superman, pre-Brando news).

So ideally, if they went with a big name for any of the roles, I'd love to see either Lewis or Liotta as the Comedian. But if they choose to go with a lesser known with serious acting chops, I'm still backing Ian McShane.

[Threshold]

Here are some new names to throw into the mix:

-Kris Kristofferson
-Chris Cooper
-Mel Gibson
-Harvey Keitel
-Brian Cox

[RedIsNotBlue]

Here are some new names to throw into the mix:

-Kris Kristofferson
-Chris Cooper
-Mel Gibson
-Harvey Keitel
-Brian Cox

If your talking about for the Comedian...

Kristofferson - No...too old and already Whistler.

Cooper- Hmmm...not sure about him. I don't think he is the kinda guy that would want to be in a comic book movie anyways.

Gibson - *Coughs*...next

Keitel- I just don't see him for the part...even though I think he is a great actor.

Cox- Again...just not right for the part and he is already Stryker to me.

[ABVH]

Comedian - Stacy Keach
he is 64 and big as a house…or just fat, either way.
Night Owl 2 - Patrick Warburton from Seinfeld

[Threshold]

I just wouldn't expect a big star for The Comedian, cause he's only going to have a few minutes of screen time.

[Assassin32]

Rorschach- Michael Keaton
Nite Owl II- John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan- Christian Bale
Ozymandias- Val Kilmer
Silk Spectre II- Jennifer Connelly
The Comedian- Burt Reynolds
Sally Jupiter- Sigourney Weaver
Moloch- Christopher Walken
Hollis Mason- Adam West

[RedIsNotBlue]

Rorschach- Michael Keaton
Nite Owl II- John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan- Christian Bale
Ozymandias- Val Kilmer
Silk Spectre II- Jennifer Connelly
The Comedian- Burt Reynolds
Sally Jupiter- Sigourney Weaver
Moloch- Christopher Walken
Hollis Mason- Adam West

Somebody loves Batman.

[x_Koby_x]

I've only read the book once, and it was awesome.

I don't really know who I would pick for a lot of the parts, but I do know who Dr. Manhattan should be. Billy Zane anybody? You know, the guy who was The Phantom? I think he would be perfect for it.

x_K_x

[Holly Goodhead]

who are the watchmen?:confused:

[ABVH]

Is that a joke????????????????????
And would you please stop with John Cusack!!!
Night Owl is a superhero who just happens to be a little bit nerdy.
John Cusack is nothing but a male version of Meg Ryan.

[Assassin32]

Somebody loves Batman.

I noticed that, too.:D It wasn't intentional, though. I really think those are the best choices.

[Assassin32]

Is that a joke????????????????????
And would you please stop with John Cusack!!!
Night Owl is a superhero who just happens to be a little bit nerdy.
John Cusack is nothing but a male version of Meg Ryan.

John Cusack is awesome.

[Threshold]

He'd be a great Dreiberg!

[lowercasegods]

This is my choice for the cast. Not intentionally, but 95% of them are British. I based my decisions on the ability to act, how they'd look as the characters, and how I felt they'd connect to portraying comic book heroes. I suppose subconciously I felt that, since Watchmen the comic is an American story filtered through a British perception, that perhaps the movie would do well to be an American story filtered through the British perception of its actors. However, I've long considered Jeff Bridges to be ideal for the role of Nite Owl, so I couldn't be Brit-exclusive in my choices. Besides that, the other actors have just felt right to me, and the fact that they were British really was a just a wild coincidence.

Dr. Manhattan: Ralph Fiennes (The English Patient)
The Comedian: Ian McShane (Deadwood)
Silk Spectre: Rachel Weisz (The Mummy)
Rorschach: Simon Pegg (Shawn of the Dead)
Ozymandias: Jude Law (Road to Perdition)
Nite Owl: Jeff Bridges (The Fisher King)

[ABVH]

Anthony LaPaglia as Night Owl
See trailer for the Winter Solstice and all will be clear.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount_classics/winter_solstice.html

[lowercasegods]

I've always liked LaPaglia as an actor, but I just don't see him as Nite owl. Sure, he can play gentle, but not as gentle as Dreiberg. LaPaglia is better as disgruntled cops or hard core mob guys.

[ThorneFox]

Rorshach: "Angel Face" from Fight Club (also the lead character in Requiem for a Dream). They'd need to do some work on him to make him look older, but if it's convincing he can definitely pull it off. If not him then they should get Edward Norton

[Antonello Blueberry]

Dr. Manhattan: Ralph Fiennes (The English Patient)
The Comedian: Ian McShane (Deadwood)
Silk Spectre: Rachel Weisz (The Mummy)
Rorschach: Simon Pegg (Shawn of the Dead)
Ozymandias: Jude Law (Road to Perdition)
Nite Owl: Jeff Bridges (The Fisher King)

Apart from Fiennes, I like your casting.
But Jeff Bridges, who was my top choice as NiteOwl back in 1990, he's now ten years too old.

[ABVH]

Rorshach: "Angel Face" from Fight Club (also the lead character in Requiem for a Dream). They'd need to do some work on him to make him look older, but if it's convincing he can definitely pull it off. If not him then they should get Edward Norton

You mean Jared Leto

[Threshold]

Rorschach: Simon Pegg
Nite-Owl: John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan: Billy Zane
Silver Spectre: Amanda Peet
Comedian: Dennis Farina
Ozyamandias: Cary Elwes

[ThorneFox]

You mean Jared Leto

Yup...thanks for that.

[snazzy J]

Rorschach: Simon Pegg
Nite-Owl: John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan: Billy Zane
Silver Spectre: Amanda Peet
Comedian: Dennis Farina
Ozyamandias: Cary Elwes
:up:

[Threshold]

I just saw Get Shorty last night and the scene between Farina and Gene Hackman cemented the fact that he has to be The Comedian.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I just saw Get Shorty last night and the scene between Farina and Gene Hackman cemented the fact that he has to be The Comedian.
And who will be the younger Comedian? Isn'it easier to choose a young actor and then age him with make-up?

[ABVH]

They can ask the Governor if he would put on a mustache and do the cameo.

[lowercasegods]

Rorschach: Simon Pegg
Nite-Owl: John Cusack
Dr. Manhattan: Billy Zane
Silver Spectre: Amanda Peet
Comedian: Dennis Farina
Ozyamandias: Cary Elwes
I gotta say, even though I have my own ideas for who should be cast in Watchmen, I really like your suggestions. They feel pretty insightful, like you're an actual fan, not just someone who thinks Jack Nicholson can play anyone in a comic book movie because he's Jack Nicholson. Your list seems feasable, and I think it would be a really great cast to see pull the characters off.

[Threshold]

And who will be the younger Comedian? Isn'it easier to choose a young actor and then age him with make-up?

That's saying that they'll be doing flashbacks.

[lowercasegods]

How would you guys feel if they cast Paul Newman as the senior Nite Owl? Maybe he's a little too obvious a choice, but I know I wouldn't mind it.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Nah. Paul needs to retire.

[Threshold]

Are you kidding me? Paul Newman is one of the worlds greatest actors. Keep him in the business as long as possible. He'd be a great Nite-Owl I, and you can definitley see him as a former hero.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I agree Newman is a great actor...but the last time I saw him his speech was almost out the window and he is getting really old.

[snazzy J]

How would you guys feel if they cast Paul Newman as the senior Nite Owl? Maybe he's a little too obvious a choice, but I know I wouldn't mind it.
That's who I was thinking, or somebody on the lines of him. He would lend some class to the project.

[snazzy J]

I agree Newman is a great actor...but the last time I saw him his speech was almost out the window and he is getting really old.
What are you talking about? He's fine, didn't you see Road to Perdition? Hell, he survived a race car crash unharmed a couple months back.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah he was great in Road to Perdition. I just think I remember seeing him on tv recently and his speech was kinda weird. I dunno.

[lowercasegods]

Back around 1989 when I was first dream casting this movie, I thought Harry Morgan from MASH would've been a good senior Nite Owl. Looking back now, though, I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
Who'd you guys like to see play Moloch? I think Joel Grey would be a really great choice, because he's a great actor, he's about the right age, and he has that somewhat creepy, elf-like appearance that Moloch has.

[ABVH]

Newer heard of Joel Grey in my life so I looked up on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1034/Events/1034/grey_joel?path=pgallery&path_key=Grey,%20Joel
Take out the smile and you got my vote.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Are you kidding me? Paul Newman is one of the worlds greatest actors. Keep him in the business as long as possible. He'd be a great Nite-Owl I, and you can definitley see him as a former hero.

Well I just heard Newman announce it. This will be his last year in the movie business.

[Threshold]

He says he think it will be, but the cardinal rule of the movie business is never say never.

[ABVH]

The question that is going thru my mind since I found out that the story is going to be set in the present day and not in the '80.
What are the chances that in the Watchmen’s version of NY City, 9/11 didn’t happen?
I mean, USA won the war in Vietnam because of Dr. M. The world is different place there.
Stopping the plane hitting the building would be a piece of cake for Blue God, if it would even happen at all.
Are they going to have enough balls to show WTC standing?
If they do, that would give enormous plus in showing the state of things in the crazy world of Watchmen.
Maybe it is to risky card to play, but W. movie has to be shocking or they will miss the point.

[snazzy J]

The question that is going thru my mind since I found out that the story is going to be set in the present day and not in the '80.
What are the chances that in the Watchmen’s version of NY City, 9/11 didn’t happen?
I mean, USA won the war in Vietnam because of Dr. M. The world is different place there.
Stopping the plane hitting the building would be a piece of cake for Blue God, if it would even happen at all.
Are they going to have enough balls to show WTC standing?
If they do, that would give enormous plus in showing the state of things in the crazy world of Watchmen.
Maybe it is to risky card to play, but W. movie has to be shocking or they will miss the point.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you just said. It would take some 'nads, but it would definitely be worth it. It would almost be like the equivalent of how, in the comics, America was clearly beating the Soviets in the Cold War. 9/11 could be the Vietnam of the movie, though Dr. Manhattan would still have stopped Vietnam too. It wouldn't have to be mentioned at all, all you need is a shot of the New York skyline, complete with the WTC.

I think it'd be very interesting if nuclear proliferation is what America is afraid of, instead of a Cold War-type scenario with China, like what we seem to be getting. If you're going to make changes so it fits with current times, you should go all out.




EDIT: I've changed my mind about Doc stopping Vietnam. That should go.

[GL-Corps#28]

It would be really interesting, but there is no way in hell anybody would have the balls to do it. The Christian "Family" groups would tear the director apart. Literally.

[snazzy J]

For a discussion on this, check the official boards:

http://www.watchmenmovie.com/board/showthread.php?p=487#post487

[snazzy J]

For a discussion on this, check the official boards:

http://www.watchmenmovie.com/board/showthread.php?p=487#post487
Here's a post I made that I'm particularly proud of:

http://www.watchmenmovie.com/board/showthread.php?p=589#post589

[Motown Marvel]

i dont know if its been posted...but heres part 1 of a 2 part interview with paul greengrass about directing watchmen. its a great interview and has me really excited for the film. after reading it, i cant think of anyone other than greengrass who would be worthy to direct this film.

http://chud.com/interviews/1914

[ABVH]

Where is part 2????????????????????????

[Emerald Knight]

it's coming on Monday (from what I've heard, and could be wrong). But that info was in part one.

[lowercasegods]

I was just on the official Watchmen boards at the movie's website, and I felt a little out of place. Is there something wrong with me that I enjoy dream casting this film rather than debating how Dr. Manhattan will affect 9/11? That board almost made me feel guilty for being a fan of the book and wanting to see the right people pull it off. Obviously the politics of Watchmen are a crucial element to the story, but it's the characters that drew me into the piece.

And as far as the whole updating the story for modern times (i.e. the possible inclusion of 9/11 events), I'm against it, soley because I'd like to see the movie stick to the comic closer than a second skin: with Nixon as President and with everything taking place in 1985.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I was just on the official Watchmen boards at the movie's website, and I felt a little out of place. Is there something wrong with me that I enjoy dream casting this film rather than debating how Dr. Manhattan will affect 9/11?
Go to the thread "Actors" and post your casting there.
I don't think Dr. manhattan would have changed the events of 9/11. In the Watchmen Universe, that was propably part of Veidt's plan. In our universe, it's a plan of someone who read Watchmen.

[ABVH]

The ultimate cast for Watchmen movie would be bunch of guys that nobody ever heard of.
No celebrities of the day, no teen idols, no MTV 15 minutes stars, no 27 times Oscar winning actor that is world wide known for the last 30 years.
Just a bunch of the relatively unknowns, so we actually go to see the movie because of the movie and not because of them.

Patrick Warburton from Seinfeld for Night Owl
Actually looks like a super hero, in his 40, and with his deep voice would be perfect for somewhat depress Night Owl #2.
(not saying that depress people have deep voices)

[snazzy J]

I was just on the official Watchmen boards at the movie's website, and I felt a little out of place. Is there something wrong with me that I enjoy dream casting this film rather than debating how Dr. Manhattan will affect 9/11? That board almost made me feel guilty for being a fan of the book and wanting to see the right people pull it off. Obviously the politics of Watchmen are a crucial element to the story, but it's the characters that drew me into the piece.

And as far as the whole updating the story for modern times (i.e. the possible inclusion of 9/11 events), I'm against it, soley because I'd like to see the movie stick to the comic closer than a second skin: with Nixon as President and with everything taking place in 1985.
Well we already know for sure that it's getting updated, so why not talk about how it'll happen?

[lowercasegods]

I didn't realize it was getting updated for certain. Now that I know, it kind of depresses me. It was plenty relevant and brilliant the way it was. Of course, that could easily be said for the bulk of the comics books turned into films that aren't Sin City. I guess knowing that it's going to be changed from its original story, I want to consider the casting even more, in the hopes that the actors will make up for it and preserve the flavor of the comic.

But you're right. Knowing that the plot will be put in modern times, we should be discussing how it'll be brought forward.

All the same, the goofy fifteen year old in me who discovered Watchmen for himself back in 1990 still gets a silly thrill dream casting his favorite comic book.

[snazzy J]

I didn't realize it was getting updated for certain. Now that I know, it kind of depresses me. It was plenty relevant and brilliant the way it was. Of course, that could easily be said for the bulk of the comics books turned into films that aren't Sin City. I guess knowing that it's going to be changed from its original story, I want to consider the casting even more, in the hopes that the actors will make up for it and preserve the flavor of the comic.

But you're right. Knowing that the plot will be put in modern times, we should be discussing how it'll be brought forward.

All the same, the goofy fifteen year old in me who discovered Watchmen for himself back in 1990 still gets a silly thrill dream casting his favorite comic book.
Have you read the interview with Greengrass? He talks about why he thinks it needs to be updated in there.

[lowercasegods]

I just saw it. I'm pretty pleased with him as director of this movie, and for the most part he seems to have a pretty good idea of how to make it happen. I'll just have to wait and see what the biggest changes will be before I cast my vote to love or hate this adaptation of the comic. Truthfully, I'm bound to find something to appreciate about the film, even if it were way off base from the comic. After all, something that's just a little inspired by the Watchmen is still inspired by the Watchmen, and that ain't all bad, right?

[Antonello Blueberry]

A lot of Italian people will read Watchmen in the next few days. Tomorrow it will be in the newstands, published with the Italian best selling newspaper for only 7 euros (10 $).

[Antonello Blueberry]

Part 2 of the Greengrass interview is online here:
http://chud.com/interviews/1985

[Mulana]

I'm sorry,

I new to this forum and haven't caught up on all the messages, but, I have to say that watchmen series will not work as a "hollywood movie". Only way this story can be told is as a TV mini-series. Case in point: Dune Mini-Series vs. the Dune movie which sucked mainly because they tried to squeeze all that great novel into a tiny-winy script.


If they can't see something this obvious, I have no use for them brecause they clearly have no idea what they're doing.I'm surprise Alan Moore is going along with this considering how badly they botched his other films.



:hq:

[Threshold]

Paul Greengrass isn't Stephen Norrington or the Hughes Bros. Thank god. The Watchmen movie will rule all of our asses. We've read the script review and they said that it was amazing and totally captured the comic perfectly.

[ABVH]

90% of all movies have screenplay that captures this and that perfectly.
Movie is more then bunch a words on a paper, they have to be very good in shooting the movie, doing music, sound, editing especially, costumes, scenery, if they are able to do all of those thing perfectly then they can capture WATCHMEN on screen.

[Seth71]

I just can't wait for this film. The material has great potential. I hope they will really get going with it this time around. I have heard way too many times they were working on it and nothing happened.

[Son Of Logan]

I can hardly wait to hear some actual casting news.

[Hunter Rider]

Paul Greengrass isn't Stephen Norrington or the Hughes Bros. Thank god. The Watchmen movie will rule all of our asses. We've read the script review and they said that it was amazing and totally captured the comic perfectly.

just bought thr book yesterday so don't know all the facst yet but i was wondering where this script review is

[Threshold]

IGN has one, AICN has one, I'm not sure of where else it is.

[Hunter Rider]

do you have a link Thresh ?

[Threshold]

I'll dig one up.

[Threshold]

Here ya go:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=13607

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks Thresh!


heres a taste of part 3 of the Greengrass watchmen interview

"I don't want to make an art film."

March 23, 2005 - CHUD (http://chud.com/interviews/2017) has published the third and final installment of their exclusive and insightful interview with Watchmen (http://filmforce.ign.com/moremovies/objects/34260.html) director Paul Greengrass. Here's a taste:


"I want you to feel that you are in Watchmen World and it's live. You are experiencing it over their shoulders. I think that will make a compelling watch, and that's why I believe in this film as a mainstream film. I don't want to make an art film of Watchmen. I think that would be doing the material a tremendous disservice," said the director.



"You go to the movies to be entertained, to be moved, and to be offered a complex collision of elements that only cinema can give you. And that's why Watchmen is such a magnificent basis for a film today. It's the absolute collision of so many different elements. Just think of what they are:

"You've got the footsteps to Armageddon, a terrifying, compelling journey. You've got the classic murder mystery. You've got a love story. You've got generational issues. It's everything. You've got a piece that speaks back, as you said, to the whole tradition of comic book storytelling. But it's not just any one of those elements, it's the collision of all of them."

Greengrass believes "the tension between Dr. Manhattan and Adrian in the story is at the heart of what I am interested in doing and exploring. I think the story – the film, the movie, the experience – that's going to be the heart of it. On top of it is the murder mystery and Rorschach trying to find out his thing and Dreiberg doing his thing, They're the narrative drivers, in the graphic novel and the film. But what lies at the back of it is this pitting of Manhattan and Adrian and they're pitted in different views of how you use power. That debate is one that is defining our world at the moment."

For much more of what Paul Greengrass had to say, check out CHUD (http://chud.com/interviews/2017). Watchmen begins filming later this year for a 2006 release.

[regwec]

Sounds good. I suppose his statement that Watchmen shouldn't be an art film is to set his project apart from Sin City.

[Edward Brock]

He sure talks alot :D

[GL-Corps#28]

http://chud.com/reviews/2075

I don't think this has been posted here, but my apologies if I missed it.

I've gotta say, this sounds really promising.:up::up::up:

[Threshold]

Bad news:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19761

[GL-Corps#28]

Wow, thanks for shoving a rock up the proverbial ass of my news.:mad::)

[Son Of Logan]

That news really puts a damper on things. :(

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Veidt- James Spader
Nite Owl- Jeff Bridges
Rorschach- gotta go with GL-CORPS and say Gary Sinise. My original pick was Michael Keaton, based on his character in Desperate Measures.

[sinewave]

Veidt- James Spader
Nite Owl- Jeff Bridges
Rorschach- gotta go with GL-CORPS and say Gary Sinise. My original pick was Michael Keaton, based on his character in Desperate Measures.

Great ****ing choices! Here's my list:

Veidt - Spader
Nite Owl - Bridges
Rorschach - Simon Pegg or Steve Buscemi
Comdian - Ron Perlman, Bruce Campbell or James Woods
Silk Specter - Diane Lane
Dr. Manhatten - Justin Theroux (dude's cut from stone)

[Threshold]

In a recent visit to the Watchmen production office they hinted at some casting bits that they are thinking of:

Rorschach: Unknown
Veidt: Brad Pitt
Nite-Owl: Joaquin Phoenix
Silver Spectre: Hillary Swank
Comedian: Ron Perlman

[NYCfilmfan120#]

I heard on empireonline that after they talked to jude law and mentioned a Watchmen movie to be made my darren aronofsky he went berserk cause he's a big fan and said he would love to be in it but then again now it's paul and david but here's a link to the interview:

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/news/NewsStory.asp?news_id=16087

Sorry if this has already been posted :(

[deDIKnight]

Bruce Campbell/Willem Dafoe - The Comedian

Rorschach - Simon Pegg/Steve Buscemi

[comicmovies4eva]

Paramount has Watchmen....no more

[Motown Marvel]

they should take it to miramax or focus features.

[Threshold]

They should take it to Dreamworks, Miramax, or the Weinsteins new company.

[deDIKnight]

It's a DC comics property, so automatically shouldnt it be a Warner Brother's Movie?

[Threshold]

Well, seeing as how it was at Paramount and Universal first, that's obviously not the case.

[deDIKnight]

Obviously Your stating the obvious to me Threshhold

I meant now that its in turnaround - shouldnt Warner automatically snap up the property as it owns the publishing rights to the DC comics incarnation?

After The Bat and Supes - Warner can clean up with Watchmen for a hat trick

[deDIKnight]

Veidt - James Spader/ Jude Law

Nite Owl - Tim Robbins

Dr. MAnhattan - Justin Theroux/ Brad pitt - if they want a headliner both are cut to Nth

Rorshach - Steve Buscemi, Simon Pegg

Comedian - William dafoe, Bruce campbell/Jason Lee - Past and Present versions or
have Lee aged up

Sally Jupiter - Rachel Weisz

[rigel7soldiers]

The Comedian looks just like Burt Reynolds, so why not him? Besides, Burt's practically *made* of leather.

[deDIKnight]

Lol

[Antonello Blueberry]

They should take it to Dreamworks, Miramax, or the Weinsteins new company.
Maybe Quentin and Robert can sponsor the movie with the Weinstein....

[deDIKnight]

Yep - works for me I'd like to see Tarantino and rodriguez do another Comicbook project

Maybe Jude LAw cos he's so big a fan of the comic - and theres a few people that want him in a comicbook film adaptation - front money for it and produce it thru his company Natural Nylon - get all his brit pack mates involved

Ray Winstone, Johnny Lee Miller, Sean Pertwee, Gary oldman, tim roth etc

[iron_man7]

i was looking on ign and this picture of brue cambelle and iam convinced he should be the comedian http://zebrasoncrack.com/uploads/files/Brucehealed120_1118967890.jpg

[deDIKnight]

TOTALLY AGREE 100% and Jason Lee should play the younger Bruce in flashbacks