What should GR's main power be in movie?

[Riding Ghost]

What should GR's main power be in the movie?

1. Penance Stare

2. Chain

3. Hellfire Blasts

[Riding Ghost]

sorry

[Riding Ghost]

I thought an interesting topic was being discussed in one of the threads and felt a vote should be taken. So, if it were up to you and only one power could be used most often in the movie, what would you choose?

[BIGGUN]

Chain...lots of possibilities there.

the Hellfire and Penance Stare should be used sparingly in the movie since they are the most powerful

[FlameHead]

Right-O. Agreed.

[Riding Ghost]

Cool, thanks for responding, I decided on a poll. please feel free to add yours to the tally

[FlameHead]

you should have created the poll in this one... and why did you create 3 total threads?

I'll pm the mods to get them merged... when I get home.

[Uncanny Orb]

Chain for sure, but I doubt it'll be used much if at all.

[WarBlade]

Impossible-in-real-life stunt riding tactics. He is after all the Ghost Rider.

[SuperFerret]

He needs the chains and the hellfire shotgun, but the Penance Stare is what I'm looking forward to.

[Hunter Rider]

The chain as i think the penance stare should be just used once at the end as a mind blowing money shot effect

[Fettstyl]

The chain as i think the penance stare should be just used once at the end as a mind blowing money shot effect

Just once? I would prefer my mind blown throughout :D

I voted hellfire, I like the chain. but I think the hellfire is a better way to deliver penance. When someone/thing is inveloped by hellfire(or soulfire as it was sometimes refered to) in the Blaze series it was a more visual indication of what was happening to the soul, for as we all know it didn't burn the body, just the soul. The penance stare was kinda bland to me. I mean he holds 'em, his eyes turn red and they cringe in pain. The penance stare was cool in that they still got their soul burnt, but imo hellfire was way way cooler. And as for the shotgun thing, I don't like it, makes no sense to me.

[Fettstyl]

hellfire

[Fettstyl]

Basically I always felt they should've kept Ghost Riders powers EXACTLY the same as vol.1, just added the chain.

[Riding Ghost]

you should have created the poll in this one... and why did you create 3 total threads?

I'll pm the mods to get them merged... when I get home.

yes, you are correct. My bad.

I'd never posted a poll before and you see the result :)
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to clutter the board, but I know what I'm doing now. It won't happen again. Thanks for contacting the mod.

[Reaper]

Impossible-in-real-life stunt riding tactics. He is after all the Ghost Rider.

Your right. His bike is a pretty awesome weapon as well as a wicked mode of transportation.

[War Lord]

The penance stare should be the big power.

[Night]

Chain for sure, but I doubt it'll be used much if at all.
I wouldn't be so sure, the chain seems like his normal weapon in the comics and MSJ is really good about that. I mean Daredevil has a have of quarter staff to hit people with and MSJ has it just like the comics. I mean there were more stuff to it, but MSJ seems to want to bring the character from the comics and he does do a better job from what i hear then anyone else.

[Bathrat]

He better be kickin the **** out of people with the chain.

[Uncanny Orb]

I wouldn't be so sure, the chain seems like his normal weapon in the comics and MSJ is really good about that. I mean Daredevil has a have of quarter staff to hit people with and MSJ has it just like the comics. I mean there were more stuff to it, but MSJ seems to want to bring the character from the comics and he does do a better job from what i hear then anyone else.
Well I hope your right, but he does alot more than just swing it around. If he uses it and the links turn into throwing stars like in the book I'll be in heaven.

[FlameHead]

Ok, two of 3 have been merged thanks to CLee. Yay.

Go Chains Go.

[Riding Ghost]

I wouldn't be so sure, the chain seems like his normal weapon in the comics and MSJ is really good about that. I mean Daredevil has a have of quarter staff to hit people with and MSJ has it just like the comics. I mean there were more stuff to it, but MSJ seems to want to bring the character from the comics and he does do a better job from what i hear then anyone else.

Yes, but it depends what comic your talking about. The Blaze version, which movie is based on, had no chain. Now MSJ already said it would have everything, we are just not sure to what degree each will be used. So, we will all get something, I'm asuming(sp).
BTW My vote was hellfire for most used. It's simply what I'm looking forward to seeing used to most.

[FlameHead]

Hellfire is gonna be baddass, no doubt about that.

I'm hoping that Ghost Rider has dozens of enemies to defeat at some point. That way, he'll have a chance to go mad and destroy everyone using everything that he has available. I want one hand being used to hold the chain tightly around the baddies neck and the other shootin some hellfire (either from his hand or gun). Then, I want a boot or two kickin some ass, literally.

[BIGGUN]

Hellfire is gonna be baddass, no doubt about that.

I'm hoping that Ghost Rider has dozens of enemies to defeat at some point. That way, he'll have a chance to go mad and destroy everyone using everything that he has available. I want one hand being used to hold the chain tightly around the baddies neck and the other shootin some hellfire (either from his hand or gun). Then, I want a boot or two kickin some ass, literally.

definately...but i think its a sure bet you will see some ass kickin :eek:
another idea is seeing him ramming his hellcycle at full speed into Blackheart or one his demon associates.

[FlameHead]

Oh yeah... that's a definate Ghost Rider action. I think I've posted some pics of our boy doing just that. It'll look even better in motion and 3D and real.

[Dr.Dude]

The chain should naturally be used the most, and it would have the biggest amount of possibilites---wrapping it around a target, throwing it, and so on. Though I'd like to see a good amount of hellfire in the movie too. :cool:

The penance stare should only be used at a few pivotal points in the movie, maybe only showing its full effects on the victim during the climatic scene or something, but hinting at what these effects of the stare are throughout the film.

[InVictus]

Apart from the chain, i hope to see Ghost's supernatural strenght, punching through walls, ripping apart cars, breaking many bones.

[FlameHead]

Oh yeah. Now you're talkin'!

[Caliber]

All of those options.

[FlameHead]

And you'll likely get that. MSJ has confirmed so already... of course, things do and will change.

[slimedy]

gotta have hellfire...and loads of it!!!!!

[FlameHead]

Oh welll have Hellfire, we'll have hellfire, we'll have lots and lots of hellfire... mainly because the dude is made entirely of it. Well, that and bone.

[redlion2]

The chains the most but definately the hellfire several times.

[1987olds442]

Since in the movie it's going to be the Zarathos/Blaze Ghost Rider his powers should be Hellfire Blasts from his hands like in the original comic. The Penance Stare and Chain are the Spirit of Vengence/Ketch Ghost Riders powers. But I would like to see the entire story arch of the Ghost Rider hopefully with a couple of sequels so we could see Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire blast shotgun riding with the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider.

[FlameHead]

I doubt we'll ever see Dan Ketch on screen... or 2 Ghost Riders for that matter. The story would become pretty confusing perhaps. You never know though, I guess. I mean, after the original story is told, there isn't a whole lot to do with Blaze... unless they invent some new stuff. A very good human story would be him finding out about another Ghost Rider after ridding himself of Zarathos only to find out that it's his long lost brother who now inhabits the demon. What better story could you go with?

I still don't want to see hand blasted hellfire shots though... but that's just me.

[InVictus]

I didn't like too the hellfire blasting hands, but it really depends on how they are going to portray it.
In the "Heart of darkness" mini GR90 toke off one glove to burn Blackheart, and when Vengeance goes mad in the later serie it has a very explosive kind of hellfire blast. I really liked when he incinerated some gangster by standing out the hand palm . Oh, that was also merit of Salvador Larroca pencils.:)

[GhostRider]

I didn't like too the hellfire blasting hands, but it really depends on how they are going to portray it.


To each their own,of course, but I don't get that. Whats not to like about it??
I understand it can be redundant and tedeous seeing various heros shoot energy blasts and what not from their hands, but with GR it actually makes sense he can do it. I mean he is made of the stuff, why not shoot it? That is one of the cool things about the Blaze GR, he had the power to shape about anything he wanted from hellfire. In one issue he made a wall of hellire, of course can make his bike, fireballs, thats about all I remember him making, but it was understood he could make other stuff if he so chose. I think perhaps some of you confuse seeing some human looking "hero" somehow being able to conjure massive power and shoot it out their hands(which I agree is stupid, more times than not) with GR's ability to do that with the hellfire he is freakin made of. Or maybe you simply prefer the penance stare, since you enjoy the Ketch GR more. I don't know, like I said, to each their own, but I loved the hellfire blasts bigtime and it will look coolashell in a movie.

[1987olds442]

To each their own,of course, but I don't get that. Whats not to like about it??
I understand it can be redundant and tedeous seeing various heros shoot energy blasts and what not from their hands, but with GR it actually makes sense he can do it. I mean he is made of the stuff, why not shoot it? That is one of the cool things about the Blaze GR, he had the power to shape about anything he wanted from hellfire. In one issue he made a wall of hellire, of course can make his bike, fireballs, thats about all I remember him making, but it was understood he could make other stuff if he so chose. I think perhaps some of you confuse seeing some human looking "hero" somehow being able to conjure massive power and shoot it out their hands(which I agree is stupid, more times than not) with GR's ability to do that with the hellfire he is freakin made of. Or maybe you simply prefer the penance stare, since you enjoy the Ketch GR more. I don't know, like I said, to each their own, but I loved the hellfire blasts bigtime and it will look coolashell in a movie.Very well said http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/ghostrider.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

http://home.comcast.net/%7Esjrife/images/ghost-rider/1.jpg

[Retroman]

Chain and Hellfire blasts. Or combo of all his powers.

[Jester J]

Chain and Hellfire blasts. Or combo of all his powers.

word
combo seems the way they're going
gonna be wild stuff

[FlameHead]

If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little...

Very well said http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/ghostrider.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif



I'm with you all the way on that one. I'd love to see the Spirits of Vengeance ride together; one flamey headed spirit and a gunsliger with a hellfire shotgun.

Seeing a combination of characters in the movie is good for me though. At least we'll see a little bit of Dan's spirit that way.

[Fettstyl]

Very well said http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

It would actually ruin the movie for a little if the Zarathos/Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider had Dan Ketch Ghost Rider's powers since they were two separate spirits altogether. And to clarify when I said earlier that I would like to see Blaze and the Ghost Rider eventually riding together I didn't mean as two Ghost Riders, but as Johnny Blaze with his Hellfire shotgun and the Spirit of Vengeance Ghost Rider. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/ghostrider.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

http://home.comcast.net/%7Esjrife/images/ghost-rider/1.jpg

I agree too, well said GhostRider.
And thats a good cover pic, Spirits of Vengeance was about my favorite thing from the Ketch era. I had some problems with the premise, but they were good solid stories.

[Fettstyl]

Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little...

That would indeed be awesome

[hellfiremaster]

[QUOTE=FlameHead]If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little.../QUOTE]

FH,
Here is the problem I have with that. Almost every Marvel hero shoots something from his or her hands. Spiderman and his webs, the human torch already uses fire, all the freaks with "power bursts" its over done, way over done. This needs to be more personal and dark.. the stare is everything you need, and would be the most terrifying. Imagine that up to the moment stare, he grabs someone pulls him face to face.. slowly.. you know its coming, but the anticipation to that point, scary music, then the fire, the pain, the scream of his victim. C'mon tell me thats not the nuts.
The chain, especially the breakaway chain, is a must. He needs hand to hand, alot of it. Using his chain, in such a way to disarm and hog tie escapees.
Maybe as a once or twice gimmick he can fling a flame ball, but really I don't think I would be dissapointed if he didn't.
When he takes off on his bike, a sonic boom must be there. Pavement and cement must buckle, when he hits the accelerator, pavement must be flung and dug up. In fact there should be "the scream of tormented souls" instead of a loud vroom.. you need to know death is coming. The Blaze GR was nice for his time, but GR is dark, very dark.

HM

[Zrthsgr]

The chain and penance stare are cool, but I voted hellfire because I think the Hellfire blasts are what is going to be the most amazing looking part of the movie during the fight scenes.

[FlameHead]

[QUOTE=FlameHead]If the hellfire blasts that come from his hand are not a continuous stream of fire, that would be alright by me. Maybe he could toss fireballs or something... Yeah, now that would be freakin' awesome!! Picture him flying down the road tossin' explosive hellfire fireballs. Oh baby... that turns me on a little.../QUOTE]

FH,
Here is the problem I have with that. Almost every Marvel hero shoots something from his or her hands. Spiderman and his webs, the human torch already uses fire, all the freaks with "power bursts" its over done, way over done. This needs to be more personal and dark.. the stare is everything you need, and would be the most terrifying. Imagine that up to the moment stare, he grabs someone pulls him face to face.. slowly.. you know its coming, but the anticipation to that point, scary music, then the fire, the pain, the scream of his victim. C'mon tell me thats not the nuts.
The chain, especially the breakaway chain, is a must. He needs hand to hand, alot of it. Using his chain, in such a way to disarm and hog tie escapees.
Maybe as a once or twice gimmick he can fling a flame ball, but really I don't think I would be dissapointed if he didn't.
When he takes off on his bike, a sonic boom must be there. Pavement and cement must buckle, when he hits the accelerator, pavement must be flung and dug up. In fact there should be "the scream of tormented souls" instead of a loud vroom.. you need to know death is coming. The Blaze GR was nice for his time, but GR is dark, very dark.

HM

I'm with you 100% on that one Hellfire. Always have been. I don't like the hellfire blasts at all and have never really liked anythign flying out of superhero/mutants hands. What I meant was that if they are gonna have anything fly out of Ghost Rider's hands, I would want it to be Fireballs and not streams of hellfire.

I want the Chain. I want the Pennance Stare. Ahh, who am I kidding... I want it all.

[GhostRider]

Thanks to those who voiced agreement with me. To those who didn't, I understand and agree with what your saying about it being overused with other heros, but I believe my previous post addressed that fairly well in regards to ghost rider. It is different with ghost rider.

[FlameHead]

It is differnet w/ ghost rider because he is made entirely of the stuff that he can shoot, I agree. I do like the wall of Hellfire that you mentioned in your last post as well. Maybe if he was able to control fire around him, that would be interesting.

[InVictus]

I agree. Some sort of a elemental or pyrokinetic control would be very cool, shooting stuff from hands could be too "cartonish".
But it always depends how it is portrayed, and the scenario.
As example, some years ago i found myself working on different ways GR coul use or create chain.
There was this idea of the blazing medallion mark in the palm of the gloves that could be used as a portal, from witch endless chain , or hellfire weapons could be created out of, or be used as to "mark" the sinners quite like Lobster Johnson in HellBoy.
I though also the chain as part of GR body, inside the clothes, acting as tendons and muscles, an infinite red hot chain engulfed in hellfire, a way to explain GR "mechanical" golem-like way of moving its body, like a being only forced to move in a humanoid shell.
I developed this idea to follow up the engine style heart of GR/Noble Kale...

[FlameHead]

I really like the idea of having the medallion symbol as a portal... and as a branding tool. That's just awesome! It'll give the endless chain some more believability. Beisdes, seeing GR brand somebody as a sinner would be neato.

I'm not such a big fan of having the chain be his tendons and such though. Mainly becuase of the fact that his definition comes from Hellfire and nothing more. Just bone and hellfire and I've always like that about him.

[InVictus]

Just now i've realized how the branding medallion symbol recalls the cow branding, this thing could definitively fit well in a western BG:D
I remember also a way to represent the chain elongation ring by ring, at the two end of it(or one), with a *tchink!* sound, as if it is forged in real time in locus by an invisible hammer/hand:P, maybe with some sparks/little flame bursts, starting elongating slow, and if longer chain is required, the autoforging could turn so fast to be a flaming blur...

[FlameHead]

You've thought about the chain a lot, I see. Quite wonderful descriptions of how it exists you have there. Makes me really excited to actually hear and see it on screen. I really hope it's there. It better be there. MSJ has said "there was going to be a lot of powers used but never confirmed exactly what.

[Riding Ghost]

Hmmmm, I'm very surprised at how close this is.

[knighted]

Well this is a no brainer
GR shooting hellfire all over the place is gonna be what makes this movie kick all ass!!
I also hope we have a pompous and arrogant Ghost Rider like the Blaze GR. A demon who acts like a demon.

[FlameHead]

Pompos and arrogant is good, yes. I hope he's scary and intimidating more though. That's what a demon is to me.

[nedkelly404]

duh!:yellow:

[Riding Ghost]

Pompos and arrogant is good, yes. I hope he's scary and intimidating more though. That's what a demon is to me.


I agree. Pompos, arrogant, scary, and intimidating like a sob. All that will make a great GR. :ghost:

[firemt]

I look forward to the burning of the souls of the guilty. The shear anguish and pain inflicted on the bad guys is gonna be hardcore on screen

[FlameHead]

I wonder how much time they'll have to inflict pain on random people? I mean, the bulk of the story is going to be taken up with the actual story of Johnny Blaze. There might not be time to have as much pain infliction and anguish as some of us would like.

Btw, Welcome to the hype!

[BPrulz182]

Wait, I just started getting into Ghost Rider not too long ago; what exactly are all of his powers? Are they just the ones listed on the poll?

[Mr Nick]

I hope they don't go overboard with any flame powers he might have. Don't want him becoming Pyro. I'd like to see him use the chain and his fists more than anything. Maybe they should leave the penance stare for the big bad guy at the end. Leave him a gibbering, sobbing wreck while GR just coolly strides away.:cool:

[FlameHead]

Oh yeah, save the penance stare. I agree about the hellfire blasts as well. The less the better for my liking.

Wait, I just started getting into Ghost Rider not too long ago; what exactly are all of his powers? Are they just the ones listed on the poll?

Everything you need to know about Ghost Rider can be found...

Here.
http://giantsizedghostrider.co.nr/

Here.
http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/GRMain.html

And here.
http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/

As for his powers, it varies, depending on which Ghost Rider we're speaking of. Generally speaking, he has super being strength, an extreme unwillingness to die, a neverending chain which can meld into flying surikens or a staff, hellfire blasts, penence stare... and some other cool stuff...

[Wise]

I've seen the story boards of the final fight and can say that GHost Rider uses the Chain, the Penance Stare as well as a Wall of Fire sort of move. He also uses a Shotgun which flames up when it's in his hands.

[HighVoltage]

Penance Stare,The Chain & The Hellfire(Not Emma Frost´s Club):p :p

[Uncanny Orb]

It would be cool if Blaze picked up a shotgun and hellfire came out, as for GR, I do not want to see him using a shotgun EVER! I'd be more than happy just to see him use his fists and chain as weapons and use the penance stare as a finisher. If at any point Blaze loses control of GR to Zarathos then introduce the flame thowing and turn him loose.

[Riding Ghost]

It would be cool if Blaze picked up a shotgun and hellfire came out, as for GR, I do not want to see him using a shotgun EVER!

Agreed. But there may in fact be a problem. The recent Arad interview talked about it Being a western movie, and on MarveMovies GR site it has a pic of a action figure with a gun :confused: due out sometime next year. When I first saw it I thought perhaps every figure of that particular line had to have some sort of gun or something, just like I got a toy that is GR in a car. However now it seems that may be a foreshadowing of whats to come if Wise is as wise as he proclaims.
So this is what we may have?? GR riding a hellfire powered mechanical horse with hellfire coming out of its eyes, with GR wielding a shotgun :down . We spent all our time pondering what attributes the movie GR is gonna have of Blazes GR and which attributes of the ketch GR, we generally failed to consider Carter Slade western GR. When we we talkin previously about GR having a westrn feel, I thought we were talkin like out in the desert, loner type stuff, not this. If all GR does is use his chain and a damn shotgun, I, for one, am gonna be pissed :mad:

[Fettstyl]

I agree RG. Now I could deal with GR coming across a gun, picking it up and firing it once or twice, I wouldn't like it but I could deal with it. But yeah, if its all chain and shotgun with maybe a penance stare or two thrown in with absolutely NO hellfire blasts.....that would indeed suckaroo.
Maybe before the movie comes out they will change GRs outfit to all white with a cowboy hat and spurs :rolleyes:
You see, this is the situation we find ourselves in. They never should have made the change from zarathos to noblek. There was no good reason for it. If they wanted to make them that different they should have just named the ketch gr something like the riding flame or something and gone about their business, not marginalize an awesome character. Now we have what is really two completely different ghost riders apart from the obvious appearance similarities. That puts 2 different generations of readers against each other. You got people like Flamehead who is tickled pink whenever any info about the movie comes out that is more ketch than blaze and not to be disparaging towards Flamehead because I'm the same way just on the other side. of course there are people who find the best in both and have no major problems, but most people fall generally on one side or the other.
Then throw in the western gr, I'm having more and more doubts about this the closer we get to show time.

[InVictus]

Well..it could have been worse, if they added in also the 2099 GR :D a chainsaw armed cowboy in a chopper :D
Seriously, i don't think there's this generations conflict about the way GR dress.
He IS the old GR, just a little more actual and appealing to younger readers. GRII DID reach a larger audience also because of is look, then why don't use some of it?
I love also the classical GR blue outfit, but i also think that in modern era it looks a little ridiculous, especially the scart... But i would love to see the shirt weared by JB under the jumpsuit, or even under GR jacket, as a homage.It doesn't take nothing to put it in the movie, but still i'm not a fan of some clothes, i am a fan of a character.
Also, GRII is NOT entirely Noble Kale, the first issues were imo great just because we didn't know who was him. And i don't think any GR fan (i mean real fans, hardcore readers either of the first or of the second) is going to criticize the movie after all the false starts in the last... how much? 10 years?
The average GR fan has faith, has patience, and is incredibly longlasting:)

[Riding Ghost]

Well..it could have been worse, if they added in also the 2099 GR :D a chainsaw armed cowboy in a chopper :D:)

LOL.........don't give 'em any ideas.

And i don't think any GR fan (i mean real fans, hardcore readers either of the first or of the second) is going to criticize the movie after all the false starts in the last... how much? 10 years?
The average GR fan has faith, has patience, and is incredibly longlasting:)

I hear you, thats a good point, but man would it be terribly disappointing to see GR himself with a shotgun.

[FlameHead]

The question was posed long ago whether or not this would be more of a western than anything. When I first heard reports of there being a saddle maker hired, I pictured the movie being a western but instead of them riding horses, they'd have motorcycles.

Yes, I get very excited when I see Dan's legacy involved. He's my favorite. Of course I get excited. I get excited about Blaze too though... And Vengeance as well. I love the whole legacy, even Carter Slade... albeit just for the namesake. I wouldn't care if they took a little bit of every instance, including the western side. I'm just happy they're taking it from the comics.

[Riding Ghost]

I hope they don't go overboard with any flame powers he might have. Don't want him becoming Pyro.

Yep, don't want a flaming skeleton becoming pyro :rolleyes:

[CaptainStacy]

I think the Pennance Stare is one of the more original powers in comics, and am really hoping it's represented efficiently on the big screen...

[Fettstyl]

Yep, don't want a flaming skeleton becoming pyro :rolleyes:

LOL

[MightyMouse11]

do any of you guys have any idea what the movie would be rated?

[MightyMouse11]

[QUOTE=Mr Nick]I hope they don't go overboard with any flame powers he might have. Don't want him becoming Pyro.
hmmmm--umm do you realize what you just said? because he is kinda a skeleton thats on fire like riding ghost just said....

[Mr Nick]

[QUOTE=Mr Nick]I hope they don't go overboard with any flame powers he might have. Don't want him becoming Pyro.
hmmmm--umm do you realize what you just said? because he is kinda a skeleton thats on fire like riding ghost just said....

OK, OK, maybe I should've phrased that a little better.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

I don't want him shooting fireballs from his fingers or eyes or anything like that. In the comics I read (the early 90's run) he didn't do stuff like that. I remember when Blackout bit him and there was a huge explosion, but that was out of his control.

Does anyone know if he's ever been able to manipulate fire?

:p

[Riding Ghost]

[QUOTE=MightyMouse11]
Nothing to see here. Move along.


Glad you have a good sense of humor, sorry about my little quip, its just....you know....I couldn't resist :D

And yes, the Blaze GR only used fire. He fried peoples souls with hellfire, not the penance stare. He created his cycle from hellfire, not by transforming a regular bike into another bike with flaming wheels. He created a wall of fire once and used fireballs once or twice, which he threw, not shoot out his fingers or eyes :rolleyes: Of course when he fried souls or made his bike the hellfire came from his hands and I tell you, with all the heros and such that shoot stuff out of their hands, GR is one of the few it makes sense for him to do it. He's a flaming skeleton, it works. Basically the blazegr was "pyro".
I know you like the ketchgr and are not accustomed to this from GR, but fear not, it appears that although this is supposed to be the Blazegr they aren't going to let him use any fire powers accept from a ******** shotgun. So you are most likely going to get your way.

[TheShadow]

I dont care what power ghost rider really uses in the movie, I've heard many things of what he will use. But I just wanna see the hell cycle in action. That will be the **** honostly that bike has got to be the coolest bike i've seen in awhile. But If i could choose to see a power mostly used by ghost rider in the movie it would be his hell blasts from his hands and not a shot gun. But if he's on his bike I would be guessingit would be his chain? I dont know since int his scene they said ghost rider rides so fast on his bike it blows cars and things of that nature out of his way?

[Riding Ghost]

do any of you guys have any idea what the movie would be rated?

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http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163047

[BPrulz182]

Oh yeah, save the penance stare. I agree about the hellfire blasts as well. The less the better for my liking.



Everything you need to know about Ghost Rider can be found...

Here.
http://giantsizedghostrider.co.nr/

Here.
http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/GRMain.html

And here.
http://www.vengeanceunbound.com/

As for his powers, it varies, depending on which Ghost Rider we're speaking of. Generally speaking, he has super being strength, an extreme unwillingness to die, a neverending chain which can meld into flying surikens or a staff, hellfire blasts, penence stare... and some other cool stuff...

A delayed thanks to you for the links, FlameHead.

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[Mr Nick]

Is he definitely going to use a shotgun? Not sure what to think of that. It certainly fits with MSJ's description of the film as a 'supernatural western', but I have trouble seeing GR using one. Blaze had to use one in the Spirits of Vengeance comics because, well, he'd have gotten minced without it, but Ghost Rider using a gun? Hmm. Smacks of The Punisher to me.

I want him to get in there with his fists and whack a bunch of bad guys with his chain. His chain could split into a bunch of shurikens anyway to take people out from a distance.

I dunno. You homosapiens and your guns.

:p

[Riding Ghost]

but Ghost Rider using a gun? Hmm. Smacks of The Punisher to me.
:p

My thoughts exactly.

Regardless of how he delivers the hellfire blast you can count on a lot of chain action, I'm sure.

I hate to beat the hell out of a dead horse and be a broken record and all that............but I must say again that it will be completely lame to not have at least 1 instance where GR uses hellfire blasts from his hands. The main reason I say that is because that is ALL the Blaze GR did for a full 81 issues. He ONLY used hellfire blasts from hands to deliver the effect of the penance stare. To not show that at least once would be sacrilege and since that is ALL the Blaze GR did it sould be done at least once in homage to the way it was. Even those of you who do not like the "powers from hands thing" (despite the sheer logic of GR doing it) should agree with that, IMHO.

The shotgun to me seems so terrible, I swear I'd rather have him use only the chain and the penance stare than to see him with a shotgun. It really does change the look and feel of the character dramatically.

[Mr Nick]

Blaze as Ghost Rider delivered the Penance Stare with Hellfire blasts? Wow, that's weird. I didn't know that. I'm of the Ketch era myself, so I only ever saw him staring into a terrified baddie's eyes and freaking him out for life.

In that case, yeah, it would be nice to have a blast or two in there.

:)

[The Geek Vault]

What does the stare do again? How would they do that making it look cool he just stares at them

[Master Kenobi]

That sounds cool!

[Mr Nick]

What does the stare do again? How would they do that making it look cool he just stares at them

The Penance Stare is a wonderful idea. It's the ultimate in poetic justice. What the Ketch Ghost Rider did was stare deep into the eyes of a villain and he'd be bombarded with all the pain and suffering he'd ever inflicted in his entire life. Usually this would leave the poor sod a gibbering, remorseful wreck. However, on certain super-villains like Scarecrow it didn't work.

If I remember right, there'd be a supernova flare in his eye sockets when he did it. I wouldn't want to see anything but gaping blackness in them at all other times though. That'd work for me in the movie, followed by a blitz of images showing the bad guy hurting people and ending with him screaming and sobbing like a loon. Then GR should just walk away, ultra-cool, job done.

:ghost:

[Uncanny Orb]

I hope there is at least one guy who recieves it that is so evil that the stare is so intense and long that he finally just explodes or bursts into flames.
As for the shotgun maybe they will be showing a previous GR from back in the wild west (they did have horses on set). Seeing GR streak across the plains on a black horse with a mane and tail of fire then whippping out a shotgun wouldn't be so bad.

[Mr Nick]

Previous Ghost Riders... That is a very interesting thought, Orb.:cool:

[BIGGUN]

its possible that the shotgun may only be used in one scene in the movie...probably during the final battle w/ Blackheart.

[Riding Ghost]

As for the shotgun maybe they will be showing a previous GR from back in the wild west (they did have horses on set). Seeing GR streak across the plains on a black horse with a mane and tail of fire then whippping out a shotgun wouldn't be so bad.

Yep, I could live with that, but i don't think thats the case. In another thread where the reporter from the latino review got to go on set and look at story boards, he said, that the shotgun looked like the bike, which if true, seems to indicate it goes with the bike. :(

[Riding Ghost]

its possible that the shotgun may only be used in one scene in the movie...probably during the final battle w/ Blackheart.

my fingers are crossed that thats the case :up:

[BIGGUN]

my fingers are crossed that thats the case :up:


i see it like this...if i were GR (and who doesnt wish that? heh) and i had 3 weapons at my disposal which ability would you use the most? hellfire of course...you can cause massive amounts of damage to beings at a distance (either physical or spiritual). the chain and stare would have to be fairly close range and although they are powerful they arent as effective as a concussive blast of hellfire. if it was limited (whether its from the hands or shotgun) it would force GR to use the other powers more...either he doesnt know he could use hellfire that way or it may even weaken him by throwing huge amounts of what is basically his life essence.
also ive always felt that wild hellfire bouts were done when GR was out of control or when Zarathos had taken over. as you remember Blaze was in control in the beginning and used the hellfire sparingly ....but when GR became more powerful he went crazy at times frying bad guys left and right.
would be cool to see that as GR becomes more powerful (and remembers who he really is) in other films he would use the hellfire more and more and possibly realize hes powerful enough not to need something to channel his blasts anymore. he can do it right from his hands and as much as he wants to.

[Hunter Rider]

I read that the Hellfire shotgun is an amazing design.i think the key will be how MSJ works it into the story to make sense

[Riding Ghost]

i see it like this...if i were GR (and who doesnt wish that? heh)

That would be sweet

and i had 3 weapons at my disposal which ability would you use the most? hellfire of course...you can cause massive amounts of damage to beings at a distance (either physical or spiritual). the chain and stare would have to be fairly close range and although they are powerful they arent as effective as a concussive blast of hellfire. if it was limited (whether its from the hands or shotgun) it would force GR to use the other powers more...either he doesnt know he could use hellfire that way or it may even weaken him by throwing huge amounts of what is basically his life essence.
also ive always felt that wild hellfire bouts were done when GR was out of control or when Zarathos had taken over. as you remember Blaze was in control in the beginning and used the hellfire sparingly ....but when GR became more powerful he went crazy at times frying bad guys left and right.
would be cool to see that as GR becomes more powerful (and remembers who he really is) in other films he would use the hellfire more and more and possibly realize hes powerful enough not to need something to channel his blasts anymore. he can do it right from his hands and as much as he wants to.

Good points BG.
I suppose for me, just like some say that the powers from hands are over used, whats more overused than guns? I've just always liked to think of Zarathos as a very powerful demon with no use for such things. Stuff like guns can be left to the human vermin(as Zar would say)

[FlameHead]

BG, you mentioned Ghost Rider becomming more powerful in other films... I think that's something we're going to see happen in this first film. I remember MSJ mentioned that Ghost Rider evolves in the film. Perhaps he'll start off with just the chain and grow into using the hellfire blasts and what not.

Of course, we would want him to becomve even MORE powerful in the future flicks.

I'd have to go with the Chain.. seeing as how he can whip it around like a lasso cutting through all his enemies as Blade did in the Trinity...

I hate that they used that in Blade:Trinity. The first thing I thought of was Ghost rider and his Chain. There's no doubt in my mind Goyer took that idea from our boy.

I hope there is at least one guy who recieves it that is so evil that the stare is so intense and long that he finally just explodes or bursts into flames.

As awesome as that sounds, I can't see that happening. Being burnt from the inside isn't one of Ghost Riders abilities. I think Man-Thing does that though...

[Mr Nick]

[QUOTE=FlameHead]


I hate that they used that in Blade:Trinity. The first thing I thought of was Ghost rider and his Chain. There's no doubt in my mind Goyer took that idea from our boy.



Don't worry, Flamehead. The only memorable thing in Blade: Trinity is Hannibal King.

:cool:

[FlameHead]

Yeah, loved seein' Canadian boy Ryan Renolds (note; he does not go by that name) in the flick though I think there was too much of him. Funny as he is...

[Riding Ghost]

BUMP :ghost:

[InVictus]

Yep, I could live with that, but i don't think thats the case. In another thread where the reporter from the latino review got to go on set and look at story boards, he said, that the shotgun looked like the bike, which if true, seems to indicate it goes with the bike. :(

With the last MSJ revelations of the effect of hellfire on metal i think it's more probable that the shotgun is some kind of desperation weapon used by Blaze in the final battle, that it changes by the hellfire Johnny can now control without being GR...or something like that.

[FlameHead]

Hmmm... that would be interesting and more along the lines of the comics. I'm not sure if you're right about that though. The reason why I say that is because we've seen pics of Cage with a normal shotgun and we know it changes to the hellfire one.

Maybe as the course the movie goes, Blaze becomes more aware of what his innner self can do. Therefor, he equipts himself with 'fire'power that he knows will alter in his demon form. He knows he's going to need all the help he can get when facing Blackheart.

[Riding Ghost]

With the last MSJ revelations of the effect of hellfire on metal i think it's more probable that the shotgun is some kind of desperation weapon used by Blaze in the final battle, that it changes by the hellfire Johnny can now control without being GR...or something like that.

It would be fine if they justy had Blaze use it, but MSJ already said that Ghost Rider himself would be using it instaed of hellfire blasts from his hands :(

[InVictus]

Well, we don't know already if the two personalities are really split and how much...maybe in the end there's some kind of fusion...

[FlameHead]

It's quite possible... and from what I can tell from the reports, the relationship between Blaze and the demon is more like Ketch's relationship with the demon. Blaze isn't fighting what he has inside of him. He accepts it and is dealing with it. I like that.

As for the shotgun. I say we just wait and see what it looks like before we really jump to conclusions.

[northpole]

I heard johnson is gonna use the shotgun instead of hellfire. Hes gonna **** this up like hedid daredevil

[FlameHead]

There's not going to be any hellfire blasts if thats what you mean. There will be some hellfire balls that he throws though... which is pretty damn cool if you ask me.

[FlameHead]

MSJ answered a few of our questions in this thread today; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188064

One of them being about his powers...

-- There have been a few long time fans of GR who were upset over the fact that the character would use a "Hellfire Shotgun" instead of shooting flames from the hands like in the original 70's comic. Is it possible that the shotgun is a rare occurrence and GR would instead use the chain and Penance Stare for most of the movie? Why did you feel it was necessary for GR to use a shotgun instead of shooting Hellfire from his hands?

The Shotgun only appears later in the film. For most of the movie GR uses the chain and the Penance Stare. And he throws fire as well!!
-- Will there be any scenes, such as in the Goyer script, where Ghost Rider completely unleashes Hell and just thrashes through everyone in his path? The Penance Stare and his variety of other uses with chains and Hellfire I assume will all be present, including a new weapon in the Shotgun. I'm actually a fan of this idea, and can't wait to see it being used in a "Free For All" kick butt fight!

There's plenty of ass kicking done by GR in the movie, don't worry! He truly gets to utilize all of his abilities in the movie. However, I do hold to the idea of the comic that he will not take a human life. Demons, on the other hand, are totally on the menu. And humans have to endure the Penance Stare, which is a fate worse than death.

[FlameHead]

An update from here; http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0508/20/ghostrider.htm

Some new, some not.

Johnson: You bet. The main weapon is the hell-chain. And of course, there's the hellcycle. And he's got the penance stare from the comics. I just thought that was a cool ability to have, to make someone feel all the sins they've committed against others.

And he does have fire. He can manipulate fire. We've got fire throwing, fire balls, the chain and the hellfire shotgun. All of his weapons, all of the things I've loved from the comics from both Johnny and Danny, are in there.

[Riding Ghost]

Well obviously I was really looking forward to the hellfire blasts, but throwing fire and fireballs is similar and should suffice for me. Plus the gun is only used at the end, so all in all its sounding pretty good to me.

[FlameHead]

It's soundin' real good to me. I'm looking forward to the fireballs actually. I think that's a great adaptation on the whole hellfire blast thing. It should look pretty darn cool.

[Riding Ghost]

In the fth comercial spot they show Blaze throw some fire while still in human form. Pretty cool :ghost:

[Selene]

Chains cuz they sound cool when the make contact.. woosh!!

[Riding Ghost]

I didn't realize it until they mentioned it on the extra on the dvd, but GR did use hellfire from his hands in the movie. Thats how he killed wallow. It was so quick, I never realized it before until they mentioned it and I payed close attention. It was quick, but I'm glad they threw that in there. :up: :ghost:

[Reaper]

^^Agreed.

In the theatre I couldn't tell what was going on, it just looked like a bunch of flashes of light and fire to me. Now that I know what it is, I can tell and its one of my favorite scenes. Shame it was so brief.

[DoomRulz]

I didn't realize it until they mentioned it on the extra on the dvd, but GR did use hellfire from his hands in the movie. Thats how he killed wallow. It was so quick, I never realized it before until they mentioned it and I payed close attention. It was quick, but I'm glad they threw that in there. :up: :ghost:

Wait, when was this?