Death's in X3?

[fallenAngel]

Since the Phoenix saga was a tragic saga in the comics, what with the death of Jean and all. Should the movies mirror this by killing off a major character. Or would it be too much like the ending of X2?

[Lethal Venom]

No more kills :(

[TheVileOne]

Did Jean even really die in the Phoenix saga?

[fallenAngel]

Well very few people ever really die in the comics. My point was at the time people thought she was dead, until they brought her back. She sacrificed herself.

[Liam Goody UK]

I think killing off Magneto would make a emotional scene between Eric and Xavier. It would also make way for the Magneto Movie.

[fallenAngel]

Yeah Magneto is who I thought, because he would have the most weight without messing with the franchise too much.

[TNC9852002]

The death of Magneto has been discussed around here a few times..

-TNC

[Liam Goody UK]

The death of Magneto has been discussed around here a few times..

-TNC


I think everything here has been discussed at least 5 times, I blame the lack of news and bordom.

[fallenAngel]

The death of Magneto has been discussed around here a few times..

-TNC

Yeah I kinda figured, but the X - men threads are dead so ...........what are ya gonna do.

[Liam Goody UK]

Yeah I kinda figured, but the X - men threads are dead so ...........what are ya gonna do.

When things are dead, talk about death lol

[TNC9852002]

I wonder if he will be the first to get crushed by Dark Phoenix... :p

-TNC

[fallenAngel]

When things are dead, talk about death lol

What better thing to try and lift X fans spirits.

[Lisea]

The death of a major character would ensure, or at least make very likely, that the franchise would be discontinued after the trilogy.

Milking it for more money out of greed is a good idea when you want to destroy a successful franchise, much like what happened with the Star Trek franchise. If the movies are discontinued after X3 at least for a little breather, I'd be ever so happy.

[Night]

Killing Magneto would be weird...Isn't he always been a big part of the X-men. They need to do Astroid M and stuff, Man.

[fallenAngel]

The third one will most likely be that last, for a while atleast. if they were to continue it they would have to get rid of some characters. They have way too many as it is and fans still aren't satisfied. They don't have to kill anybody but it usually works better in terms of story then just having a character leave (or atleast makes more of an impact). If they continue with the amount of characters they would have to make tons of movies for everyone to atleast get some story lines and development. Even the comics usually only have a limited amount of characters at any different time.

It's sad but the character that would be the best and easiest to get rid of is the one they never will. Despite the fact he is getting his own spinoff.

[the a1ant]

Jean Grey never really died in the original comic Phoenix saga. Her true body was in some cacoon under the ocean, apparently. The body everyone else was seeing was a clone, or something. It's really confusing, lol.

Pejo....get in here! :p

[Almighty Pejo]

Pejo....get in here! :pWhile piloting the damaged Starcore space shuttle through a solar flare, Jean Grey's telekinetic sheild failed. If not for the fact that she were in zero gravity, she would have been dust. She was pretty much dead. All that remained was her counsciousness. But then she heard music. She saw a light. Standing in that light was a figure; a figure which offered to save her life if the two may become one. Jean took the creature's hand and the woman known as Phoenix was born. Much to her surprise, a spark of Jean's consciousness remained in her original body. She could not abandon herself, so she wrapped her wounded body in a cacoon of sustaining and healing energy until a time at which it would thrive. Upon Phoenix' death, the portion of Jean's cousiousness that lived on whithin Phoenix was released and eventually reintegrated into the original Jean, whose healed body was discovered by the Avengers some time after her death.

Now...as for death in X-Men 3...I don't see it as much of a necessity, especially not with Jean. She died once, and she came back. If she's anything at all like her comic counterpart, she'll come back, over and over and over again; not so much because it's suddenly fashionable these days, but rather, she is a Phoenix, and that is what they do. And I like all these characters too much *cough*lie*hack*killstorm*cough*So no...no death for me.

[N_z0]

Robitussin.

[Jan Irisi]

Quit smoking!!!


Anyhow, I think any death would be of the generic kind. The "third mutant from the left in act II sene four" or something like that. No major characters will probably die, although Magneto seems like an obvious choice for another of those "is he or isn't he" dead scenes.

[Kmack]

I think killing off Magneto would make a emotional scene between Eric and Xavier. It would also make way for the Magneto Movie.
I agree, but then again no one really dies in X-men history do they:p I say have him seemingly killed.

[reflect4ever]

I agree, but then again no one really dies in X-men history do they:p I say have him seemingly killed.

It'd be cool if they thought they killed Magneto, so he could disappear for a movie or two, and then he comes back with Asteroid M. "Ha!Ha! Had you going there, X-Fools!!!"

[Thundahjack]

if magneto dies, he should come back in the next movie as "MAGNETO THE WHITE!"




bah!

[fallenAngel]

Or maybe have him turn into a baby and then come back younger.

Just kidding, though then people who claim Ian is too old would complaining. Oh who am I kidding they will never stop.......

[Crowley9]

When I first saw Daredevil, I wished they had the guts to let Elektra stay dead. Right now I don't have much faith in any major character dying.

[liverlips]

I liked the Thunderbird character from wayback, and thought in the movie, they should have a student die for the cause like he did. I think it would add more realism. I read he had a brother called Warpath that blamed Xavier for his death and was bent on revenge. Maybe they could make him part of the Brotherhood.

I always wanted to see Wolverine and Thunderbird square off as they were the two hotheads of the group. I think the whole reason X-Men bacame popular in the '70's was for pretty basic reasons. Yeah, the characters were richer than the original mutants but let's face it...they were more violent! Young boys hyped on testosterone would rather read about guys battling it out with their genetically enhanced dukes instead of laser beams and snowballs.

[GoldGoblin]

Yes there should be a death or two.It makes it more real.It also shows that the mutants can be very dangerous and why humans are afraid of them.

[TNC9852002]

When I wrote my outline, the only three main/minor characters that died were Phoenix/Jean (maybe), Magneto, and Bolivar Trask..

I'm still wondering if Jean should live in the end or not..

-TNC

[Almighty Pejo]

Damn double post...

But I usurp this one to say that having Jean die at the end of X-men 3 would be kinda pointless. She died at the end of the second movie (which makes it redundant) and she'll be coming back from it in the third movie. If death couldn't hold her once, what makes one think it will have any effect the second time around?

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[Almighty Pejo]

I liked the Thunderbird character from wayback, and thought in the movie, they should have a student die for the cause like he did. I think it would add more realism. I read he had a brother called Warpath that blamed Xavier for his death and was bent on revenge. Maybe they could make him part of the Brotherhood.

I always wanted to see Wolverine and Thunderbird square off as they were the two hotheads of the group. I think the whole reason X-Men bacame popular in the '70's was for pretty basic reasons. Yeah, the characters were richer than the original mutants but let's face it...they were more violent! Young boys hyped on testosterone would rather read about guys battling it out with their genetically enhanced dukes instead of laser beams and snowballs.Jean died for the cause, so that's already been taken care of. And I don't think the machismo of Thunderbird/Wolverine really had anything to do with the success of the X-Men in the 70's, especially since Thunderbird was there for like 3 issues, died, and then his personality got transferred to Wolverine. The success of the X-Men of the 70's can be summed up in two words: Girl Power. The 80's...well, that's a different story.

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***EDIT*** Warpath blamed Banshee for Thunderbird's death, not Xavier. Just caught that and wanted to correct it for you.

[EternalMaster]

I say leave out the death. If anything have Magneto get seeminly killed, so people can speculate. "Did the building crush him? Did he make it out?"

[TNC9852002]

Damn double post...

But I usurp this one to say that having Jean die at the end of X-men 3 would be kinda pointless. She died at the end of the second movie (which makes it redundant) and she'll be coming back from it in the third movie. If death couldn't hold her once, what makes one think it will have any effect the second time around?

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That's exactly the thing I'm trying to consider...Sometimes redundancy works in films if done correctly..I'm sure I can think of a way for Jean to die again in a way that doesn't connect itself to the situation of the end of the second film, but, maybe that could prove too difficult and unsatisfying. The easy way out would be for her to finally be brought back to live, after seeming to be strucken dead after Phoenix has (left her/dissapated/??). I'll have to think about that, but I'm sure the movie will go with the latter..

-TNC

[Almighty Pejo]

That's exactly the thing I'm trying to consider...Sometimes redundancy works in films if done correctly..I'm sure I can think of a way for Jean to die again in a way that doesn't connect itself to the situation of the end of the second film, but, maybe that could prove too difficult and unsatisfying. The easy way out would be for her to finally be brought back to live, after seeming to be strucken dead after Phoenix has (left her/dissapated/??). I'll have to think about that, but I'm sure the movie will go with the latter..

-TNCI do agree that sometimes redundancy can be a good thing, but the redundancy I would have is not really her death, but her sacrifice. If Dark Phoenix is taken to the extreme extents of all things evil, then she has to do something to redeem herself. I think exhausting all her powers to stop the sentinels in the final climax will show her as the epitome of heroism (they dont just call her Phoenix because of the bird, you know ;)) and not only eliminate the sentinels, but her dangerously wicked power as well. All will end in a something of a wash (I know, very deus ex machina, but whatcha gonna do? :p) and one can leave us with an open-ending, but still maintain some sense of finality and closure.

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[TNC9852002]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

-TNC

[bosef982]

Magneto. It seems likely. Also, Jean, something tragic. Magneto dies. Period. But it all depends on the way they go, anyways... :rolleyes:

[swifty]

if magneto dies, he should come back in the next movie as "MAGNETO THE WHITE!"




bah!


will he have to utter the words..."fly you fools" before dying? :D

[DarthPlagueis]

Um, this is the movies not the comics. I think killing off a few characters would make room for new characters in future sequels. And I hope they don't bring back Sabretooth(maybe in the Wolverine movie) or Toad. Let new mutants get some screentime dammit.

[X-Maniac]

No, no, no.....

Jean dying again would just not work in the movies. In the movieworld, we want to see redemption - she is either stripped of all power, or stripped of the Phoenix power. it would be good to see that resolution, followed by her marriage to Scott and the birth of Rachel and/or Cable, with Storm clearing the clouds on the wedding day.

Magneto might appear to die, as in the comics, but needs to be around to reflect on his past in the solo movie. Perhaps he is just very badly injured.

I think it would make sense for a young mutant to die - perhaps Pyro is consumed by the Phoenix fire when he foolishly tries to control it and wrest control of it from Jean? Perhaps another young student is killed by wreckage or a blast in a Sentinel attack, or as an indirect result of Jean's corruption to Dark Phoenix (such as when part of a building collapses during a Phoenix moment).

[JewishHobbit]

I think since there's so much controversy for Storm coming back and she won't do it unless given a bigger role. I say make her roll bigger and then kill her and just finnish the need of her. I don't know how that would tie in with the Phoenix Saga but I'm sure it could work. It would keep the character of Storm with the same face but stop the sensless debate of if she's coming back for another or not.

[Kmack]

Love your avvy:):up:

[JewishHobbit]

Thanks :D

[aosist]

Love your avvy:):up:

Wow. Nice contribution.

I love sarcasm.

Back on point, I think they should waste a **** load of them. Take out Mags, any Brotherhood guys he has with him, and at least two X-Men. I'd go with Cyke and Storm. The former because it would be fitting, the latter because I hate her.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah JewishHobbit, but with that logic, shouldn't everyone be killed off then?.. :p

-TNC

[EternalMaster]

Actually the more I think about it... maybe it really is time to kill off Magneto. At least for this X-Men series. Because let's face it: Ian is pretty old, and at the pace these films are being made, he won't be around that much longer. So either X3 has the finish of the series, or Magneto has to get killed off.

But hey, the X-Men have plenty of villains, and Magneto has had a good run in the series so far. As long as he has a fitting finish, I'd be ok with it.

[reflect4ever]

I think they could kill anybody in the franchise except Wolverine and nobody would choke on their popcorn. I think we can do without offing any major players. Kill some low-level baddies or good-guys (Pyro, Iceman, etc.). The movieverse is different from the comics. I think the best bet though is the end of Magneto. Sir Ian is up there in age and I think the only way to get out of a Magneto storyline is to have him die or be presumed dead.

[TNC9852002]

I don't think age has much to do with it, considering that X3 is supposed to be the last installment in this X-Men series anyway...

So, whenever they start back with another series of X-Men movies, there'll most likely be an entire new cast anyway..

-TNC

[X-Maniac]

I am very disappointed in most of you.

Your decisions are based on your personal dislikes and on things like age discrimination. How pathetic.

Why not make decisions based on the storyline, on the logical organic flow of events so far? On the need for a resolution to the story arc? Are you all so moronic that this escapes you.

Instead we have 'I hate 'insert name' - he/she should be killed off' blah-friggin-blah!

Come back and make sensible suggestions when you have had a brain implant.

How the effin' hell could they kill off Magneto if he has a solo movie coming up? You do not kill off a character who is about to be the central character of a solo spin-off movie. Use your heads people.

I am very disappointed in this debate and in several other debates on here. Stupid fanboy morons need destroying before X3, never mind who will be destroyed in X3 itself. Then perhaps we could have reasoned debate. Oh, how I dream of that.

[TNC9852002]

Well for me X-Maniac, to my understanding, there has not been much confirmation on the Magneto movie so far...

Also, from what I hear, it is supposed to be a PREQUEL, establishing events mostly leading from Magneto's concentration camp survival up to only a few decades before X-Men 1, so not only would Ian McKellen not be required in the film, but it wouldn't be affected by any circumstances that has already occured in the films so far and upcomng...

That's still not the reason why he should die or anything like that..His death scene in my outline in X3 would be sacrificial and symbolic. Even though he knows Phoenix has been capable of destroying humans, she/it has also capable of destroying mutants also. Magneto sacrifices part of his beliefs of a mutant-superior world by helping Xavier in destroying it. In doing this, Magneto is severely wounded. He dies, but he also saves human lives in the process. It is not exactly necessary for him to die, but I think it would add more drama and underly the theme for the ending of the X-Men series.

See?...I THOUGHT about it!.. :p

-TNC

[reflect4ever]

I am very disappointed in most of you.

Your decisions are based on your personal dislikes and on things like age discrimination. How pathetic.

Why not make decisions based on the storyline, on the logical organic flow of events so far? On the need for a resolution to the story arc? Are you all so moronic that this escapes you.

Instead we have 'I hate 'insert name' - he/she should be killed off' blah-friggin-blah!

Come back and make sensible suggestions when you have had a brain implant.

How the effin' hell could they kill off Magneto if he has a solo movie coming up? You do not kill off a character who is about to be the central character of a solo spin-off movie. Use your heads people.

I am very disappointed in this debate and in several other debates on here. Stupid fanboy morons need destroying before X3, never mind who will be destroyed in X3 itself. Then perhaps we could have reasoned debate. Oh, how I dream of that.

Well, obviously your the smart one in here. Or didn't you notice that I was saying that a logical conclusion to a Magneto arc is the death of Magneto. And as far a solo movie goes, it may be a prequel. So don't assume...cuz you make....well your so smart, figure it out.

[X-Maniac]

Well, obviously your the smart one in here. Or didn't you notice that I was saying that a logical conclusion to a Magneto arc is the death of Magneto. And as far a solo movie goes, it may be a prequel. So don't assume...cuz you make....well your so smart, figure it out.

Ok, let's spell it out for you. Magneto's solo movie IS going to be a prequel, that has been established already. But since McKellen is now associated with the character in moviegoers' minds, he will have to play some part in it - as a voiceover, as a character having flashbacks while reflecting (or possibly while recovering from terrible injuries, or even - yes - possibly while dying).

But his death is somehow unlikely, since he is the philosophical opposite to Xavier. As in the comics, he is the crucial counterbalance to the X-Men, who sees things in the opposite way and reminds them of why they are what they are and why they do what they do.

[TNC9852002]

Bah,...we really don't know anything, so we can still only speculate, hmmm?.. :p

I can speculate that there could be just as much good for him NOT to die than there is for him TO die...Perhaps the two ideas can mesh to where Magneto is thought to be dead for a period of time in the movie (like I've suggested), then he comes back...Whether or not he REALLY dies again for sure,..I'm not sure..

-TNC

[reflect4ever]

But his death is somehow unlikely, since he is the philosophical opposite to Xavier. As in the comics, he is the crucial counterbalance to the X-Men, who sees things in the opposite way and reminds them of why they are what they are and why they do what they do.

Which is why, in the event they plan to go past X3, in order to divorce the Magneto character from the storyline and bring in another villian they may kill him off or leave to think he is dead. If X3 doesn't have Magneto everyone will sit around going "Where's Mags? He's only the baddest man on the planet."

[Doomsday21]

I think killing off Magneto will be a HUGE mistake. He is the badest of the bad and plus I would like to see him battle Apoc in a X movie (If Apoc will ever be in an X movie).

[liverlips]

Jean died for the cause, so that's already been taken care of. And I don't think the machismo of Thunderbird/Wolverine really had anything to do with the success of the X-Men in the 70's, especially since Thunderbird was there for like 3 issues, died, and then his personality got transferred to Wolverine. The success of the X-Men of the 70's can be summed up in two words: Girl Power. The 80's...well, that's a different story.

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***EDIT*** Warpath blamed Banshee for Thunderbird's death, not Xavier. Just caught that and wanted to correct it for you.

Thanks for the history lesson...I stopped reading the comic in ' 80. I agree that Storm and Phoenix were a big factor in getting girls to read the mag, but I still think it was the addition of Wolverine, Nightcrawler & Colossus that made it a hit with the guys. Before them, it was only the Beast who got his hands dirty. Plus, did "Wonder Woman" have a huge female fan base?

[the a1ant]

I think Wolverine should die in X3. Well, at least appear to be dead, with his body going through some total abuse. Then somehow that can lead into the spin-off, with him being 'reborn' so to speak. And start a whole new chapter in his journey. He can even find himself in Japan training in the martial arts. Oh wait...that sounds too much like Elektra :o :p

[TNC9852002]

^I bet if someone pitched in an idea like that, they'd be fired right on the spot.. :p

-TNC

[Spider-Fan]

I think, the movie verse should go with the "dead means dead" policy. Bringing people back is stupid. Perfect example, Collosus (my favorite X-Men character). Had a great death, and he should have been left alone. Instead, he comes back, making his sacrafice meaningless. This is one of the many things that has turned me off of X-Men books right now, but I should have expected it from that hack Whedon (I have not liked him for years.)

[disturbed-psyco]

I think, the movie verse should go with the "dead means dead" policy. Bringing people back is stupid. Perfect example, Collosus (my favorite X-Men character). Had a great death, and he should have been left alone. Instead, he comes back, making his sacrafice meaningless. This is one of the many things that has turned me off of X-Men books right now, but I should have expected it from that hack Whedon (I have not liked him for years.)
He's your favorite x-man yet you can't spell his name right, you must be some big fan.

[Silver Lantern]

I dont know who they should kill but I want to see Mr. Sinister as the villain and hope the rumors of Beast and gambit and sentinels and Angel are true. If they dont make Rogue any tougher or fly like the comics I say kill her...her character right now really has no point in the movie.

[TNC9852002]

^I dare you to make a thread on that argument... :p

-TNC

[Electrix]

Dont tempt them TNC.........

[fallenAngel]

Feel free to ignore this......I made it along time ago and just thought it was funny reading it.

And only one person mentioned Cyclops.

[MJB]

The only problem I have is Cyke being killedooff. It doesn't further the stroy what so ever. I can accept Xavier being killed, and i like that he have moved to a new body, which has been done in the comics by some telepaths, so no biggie. I'm royally pissed at the handling of Scott.

[kevhulk73]

Did Jean even really die in the Phoenix saga?
don't know if that was rhetorical or not ... but factually .... yes and no

The Dark Phoenix saga

The plan was that Yes she would die ( as a penance Byrne/claremont reasoned, for the killing o Billions of lifeforms on other planets. there were actually pages drawn for an alternate ending where she lived, but was no longer a mutant)).

so for years she stayed dead.... bUt was resurrected . the rationale was that the Phoenix force duplicated her genetic stucture and created a cloned form to inhabit and left Jean alive in a cocoon in the ocean. She was found by, funnyy enough, the Fantastic Four!

thus technically the Phoenix force died not Jean.

[BloodyWolverine]

I would like to comment on the death issues if i may. Magneto can't be killed off until maybe the finale movie. They say this the last x-men movie but i think there will be a fourth to keep up with spiderman 4. My point is that Magneto should redeem himself before he dies. Magneto is a villain that does do bad things and yet also redeems himself.

I think Xavier is not truely dead in the fact he has dead before or was thought dead before in the comics. If you don't see a dead body then he most likey is not dead. We are just lead to believe he is.

As for Cyclops his fall has alot to do with Bryan Singer. He started his less of a role part in X-2. If you kill off jean in this there is nothing for Cyclops to do the way his characters has been set up.
The truth is they should recast Cyclops and put him with Psylock and renew him in X-men 4. Or was it Emma Frost he dated other then Jean. Anywho i personally am not a Cyclops nut so it doesn't effect me that much.
Killing Xavier does if it happens to be true that he doesn't return.

[ironmaidenrules]

Since the Phoenix saga was a tragic saga in the comics, what with the death of Jean and all. Should the movies mirror this by killing off a major character. Or would it be too much like the ending of X2?

this is all your fault! oyu made this happen! his blood is on your hands! **** you god damn you! this is all your fault! you had to give them to ****ing idea! grr razzle yasya booo to you! booooo!
WELL, I'M BETTER

[union_jak]

If they made an X4, it won't star any of the initial team from X1. Aside from the obvious 3 deaths, Halle Berry has just said she's done with superhero movies (although she also just said she was willing to do Catwoman 2), and Hugh Jackman will be satisfied with his own Wolverine movie.

Rebecca Romijn has said she won't be going blue anymore, and if Rogue is cured, then she could be ruled out as well.

The only characters I see returning would be Iceman, Angel, Beast, Shadowcat, Colossus and maybe Jubilee.
From Ian McKellen's reaction on Jonathon Ross last week, I'm convinced he wants to return, and we know Vinnie Jones wants to come back.

A side question, but since there'll be no more psychics in the X-Men- what will happen to cerebro? Will they simply lock the door and become unable to locate mutants?

[Knightsaber Priss]

I'm going to die and go to heaven when I see Ben Foster as Angel. Does that count?