Who is Batman's most underrated villian?

[Spider-Kurt]

I dunno

[Anubis]

Rashal Gual ( Damn how do you spell that )

[Dorian Gray]

Ra's Al Ghul ^^ i think thast the closet i think i came


yea hes way underated (althought he Animated series picted him alot in the series but he went campy towards his last appearance in the Batman Superman Adventures) he chracter is completely dark and morbid even in Batman Beyond he sacraficed Talia to stay alive even though he was in her body

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Arucard
Ra's Al Ghul ^^ i think thast the closet i think i came


yea hes way underated (althought he Animated series picted him alot in the series but he went campy towards his last appearance in the Batman Superman Adventures) he chracter is completely dark and morbid even in Batman Beyond he sacraficed Talia to stay alive even though he was in her body

That guy stole Batmans secret files on the JLA and nearly killed them all. Man he needs to get more credit for his greatness as a villian.

[Dorian Gray]

Originally posted by Anubis


That guy stole Batmans secret files on the JLA and nearly killed them all. Man he needs to get more credit for his greatness as a villian.

yea thast why i think hes to extreme for the big screen it would give the film a R rating. (which i would love to see batman in R rated for liek hes suspose to be:mad: :mad: ;) )

[Spider-Kurt]

What about Hugo Strange?

[The Ever Living]

Im gonna have to go with Scarecrow. I feel that he had a lot of potential to be a great villian. i just think he got the short end of the stick. $.02.

[Catman]

Ra's Al Ghul is to great and well known to be underrated.

Scarecrow is perhaps an underrated villan but I think Man Bat is the most underrated Batman villain.

Man Bat is a pretty cool character I think.

[Goblinfan53]

Killer Croc is underrated....but maybe the most underrated is Zeis...or even Firefly...

[Squee]

I always thought the mad hatter was underated.I've never really read a good story about him in any dc comic and the only storys I enjoyed him in were the few he showed up on in the animated series.I also think man bat and scarecrow are way underated.

[~†~§iX~†~]

Mr Zsasz! I swear I am the only fan of this guy, but I find the character so interesting. I loved the tension in the showdown between him and Batman in the Catholic girls school during the Knightfall saga!......

[mage]

Ras Al Ghul isn`t that under rated. He gets quite a bit of credit.

I think the two villains that need the most credit are Zsaz and Black Mask.

the showdown in the school with Zsaz was cool. I especially liked it in the KnightFall novel.

and a really cool story arc with BlackMask was probably in BatMan issues 484 & 485. But I think only fans that enjoy a darker BatMan would like it.

They should make a movie with an opening action sequence of the catholic school girls & Zsaz and BlackMask as the main villain with Killer Croc as one of his goons. It would make sense that Killer Croc joins the false face society .

PS. all the above villains kick ass too though

[Zilleraut #66]

I'll go with Freeze. If the animated series didn't come along this great character would be dead.

[Dwarf lord]

I'll say Riddler because even though he is the big 4 alot of people disrespect him

[Spectre722]

Bane is so underrated. He's been written off as a muscleheaded strong man. The guy is actually criminal overlord mastermind type who just happens to be really really really strong.

Plus he broke Batman's back. That's gotta count for something.

[snipe]

I'm in agreement that Ra's al Ghul is not over rated. If he were, he wouldn't be appearing in the film :o
I'd go with Zsasz. He's quite an amazing character and is painfully under-used. Black Mask also, but he's dead now.

[hippie_hunter]

the Reaper

[DSprangthlgnd]

I say the Scarecrow is the most underrated.Jonathan Crane is quite the scary individual,but he doesn't seem to turn up nearly as much as some other villains.I could do without penguin for a while.I could even stand to see the Joker take a break for a little while.(even though he IS the best in the buisness.) Bring up Scarecrows stock.

[Aptman]

I agree that Bane is totally underrated...
He's this mastermind who is actually physically capable of taking down Batman.
And Mr. Zsasz is awsome too.

...And whoever it was that was capitalizing the letter "M" in "Batman", stop that.

[BatBruce]

Mr. Zsaz hands down for me. I love how purely psycotic and evil he is. He could play some good mind games with Batman if given the oportunity.

[BatmanfanDan]

I have to agree and say that Mr. Freeze hasn't been used well in the comics. The cartoon made him great and the comic has made him well I'd say he's up there with clayface as a hey we need to not use a villian people see often, ---:batman: FANDAN

[Ben Urich]

Originally posted by DSprangthlgnd
I say the Scarecrow is the most underrated.Jonathan Crane is quite the scary individual,but he doesn't seem to turn up nearly as much as some other villains.I could do without penguin for a while.I could even stand to see the Joker take a break for a little while.(even though he IS the best in the buisness.) Bring up Scarecrows stock.

You'll be happy to know that the next Batman arc, As the Crow Flies, features the Scarecrow.
Zsasz is horribly underrated, as is Bane.
Bane was used really well in the No Man's Land novelization by Greg Rucka (which rapes the comic series, btw) though.

[That-Guy]

BANE!

[Ceb-Man]

Hugo Strange. Like Riddler got the big push in Hush, Hugo needs it now.
Hugo was great in the 1970's and early 1980's.When Knightfall and all the other stories came where was Hugo?
Other villians who needs more of a big push are Black Mask (What villian really stays dead in Comics??) , Mr. Zsasz, Killer Croc (Hasn't been good since the mid-1980's and recent Broken City) , Bane, and Man-Bat.

The Ceb-Man!!!

[BigDaddyPayne]

Most people know Bane is my all time Batman villain, so I obviously vote for him. Also, Mr. Zsasz is awesome. He's got the potential to be one of the greatest Batman rogues EVER.. all he needs is ONE good story...

[Hurricane]

Scarecrow. Hopefully with him being the new movie he'll start getting some great stories.

[CFE]

Mr. Zsasz. He's the Hannibal Lecter of the Bat-universe. They need to use him in an up-coming arc or something ;)

CFE

[Franklin Richards]

Riddler... he could be better at prep-time than Batman. :p

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[mrbarbar]

Its got to be Crazy Quilt. Any one remember him?????

[jaydawg]

Its the Riddler. This man freaking is smarter than all of Bats rogues. All of them. Who gets the shaft? He does. He was the mastermind behind Hush, yet whats happening in Gotham Knights? Oh thats right, being Hush's ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^. Yeah, Loeb really put him in the frontlines.

[Xan-El]

Originally posted by Anubis
Rashal Gual ( Damn how do you spell that )

Ra's Al Ghul!

[TheBatman1979]

I'll agree with Mr. Zsasz, Ra's Al Ghul was never under rated he's been called the most dangerous man in the world for a reason. The Scarecrow has been around a lot. Mr. Zsasz hasn't really been allowed to do a lot of damage, hence being underrated.

[NeoSamurai]

I think Scarecrow and Mr. Zsasz as well.
Both have psychological impacting value that has been well underplayed in the comics.

Mr. Zsazs is a serial killer on par with Hannibal Lector on intellect and sophistication. The few times I saw him ("The Last Arkham" story, "Knightfall" and "No Man's Land") hinted at the manipulative and unadulterated evil in him akin to Charles Manson. He needs more impact on Batman...maybe have him kill the girl Robin or something.

Many times, Scarecrow has been relegated to a crook with Fear gas. He's often underplayed as a homicidal maniac with a background in psychiatry. The guy has tons of potential in mixing it up with Batman other than the use of Fear gas on people.

[hippie_hunter]

Mr. Zsasz killing Robin IV brutally thats a good idea

[SHADOWBAT69]

the riddler. he has never gotten the respect he deserves. even after hush he's being treated like a b#tch.

[Spectre722]

Bane: see my previous post

Scarecrow: this guy's got a creepy schtick. he can manipulate, expand upon, and exploit ur every fear. or he can make new ones for u. he could make u afraid of food so u'd starve to death. he could make batman afraid of heights. or poison ivy afraid of plants. clayface afraid of dirt. joker afraid of laughing or smiling. or he could make a supermodel afraid of clothes and well...make her...well it wouldn't kill her or anything but hey she'd be naked!

[GL-Corps#28]

I loved in Knightfall when Scarecrow and Joker teamed up to torture Mayor Krol, and the Scarecrow kept threatening to use his gas on the Joker and he was like "Bring it on! I'm looking forward to it!".

[Rocky Batboa]

Originally posted by GL-Corps#28
I loved in Knightfall when Scarecrow and Joker teamed up to torture Mayor Krol, and the Scarecrow kept threatening to use his gas on the Joker and he was like "Bring it on! I'm looking forward to it!".


Yeah, i thought that was funny, myself.

I believe the joker said something , like: "Quit teasing me, or you going to do it or not?" It was like the Joker was actually looking forward to it...and i also think (but could be wrong) the Joker kept puposely mistaking ScareCrow's name....it was fun, but unsatisfying at the end, as all "antagonist team-ups are...one always makes the other look like a putz..and at the end of the day, it was obvious the "putz" was going to be the Scarecrow...that's why i hate these teamups. NONE of the A-list antagonists should ever come across as schmucks...

Most underated?

Deadshot
Mr. Zsasz
Mad Hatter
Dr. Hugo Strange
(and a host of others. Still, DC is pretty good about using them occasionaly, the real sore spot is the major leaguers that DC continuously drops the ball with....Riddler, anyone?)

[Supermaniac]

hands down the msot under rated batman villain is definatly without a question....

Bat Mite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ultimatefan]

I´m in the minority, but Scarface. To me he has all the elements of the classic bat-foe that Bill Finger and Bob Kane used to create. The schizophrenic relationship between the Ventriloquist and the dummy is both incredibly disturbing, creepy and funny in a grotesque way. And I love a Batman villain who has this old school gangster quality to him.

[Sandman138]

Zsasz no contest.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by ultimatefan
I´m in the minority, but Scarface. To me he has all the elements of the classic bat-foe that Bill Finger and Bob Kane used to create. The schizophrenic relationship between the Ventriloquist and the dummy is both incredibly disturbing, creepy and funny in a grotesque way. And I love a Batman villain who has this old school gangster quality to him.

He's an awesoume villian... but he's no Zsasz.

[ultimatefan]

I actually haven´t read any Zsasz story... I stopped reading the bat-titles for a while.

[jaydawg]

But heres the thing about Zsasz and Scarecrow... they've actually had good stories. The only good Riddler stories have been the ones from The Animated Series comic and the show itself.

[Sandman138]

Originally posted by jaydawg
But heres the thing about Zsasz and Scarecrow... they've actually had good stories. The only good Riddler stories have been the ones from The Animated Series comic and the show itself.

You haven't read many Riddler stories.

[Kade]

The Reaper kicks ass.

[Shampoo!]

Clayface... probably one of my fav episodes from the Batman series was when Robin fell in love with that girl, who was really a part of Clayface... then she "dies" and it was actually kind of sad, for a cartoon... he's a bit underrated.

same for Hatter and Freeze.... tortured souls. but at least Freeze has gotten some good face time.

[Motown Marvel]

Zsasz, hands down. just the idea and possibilities of what his caharacter can be if fully realized and respected has made him one of my favorite batman villians.

heres a personal cheap plug....my rendition of Zsasz:
http://www.action-boy.com/images/g-zsasz_r2_c2.gif

[jaydawg]

Sandman138, what are you talking about? the only remotely good comic book Riddler story (thats not simply Riddler having a cameo) is Run Riddler Run.

[Kurosawa]

I'd say it's either Hugo Strange, or maybe Clayface I (Basil Karlo). I like him a lot better than the later Clayfaces even though he had no powers. But any character that's basically Karloff is cool.

I've always liked Professor Milo as well. He was incredibly cruel in the animated series.

[batman8205]

my vote goes for P N Guin.

[jimthecomicguy]

Mr Zsasz

[Rockbottom]

Bane is a great character, i think he is underated. Also he got raped in B&R...

[Bat Attack]

Catman.

[Kebab gud]

Catman.
Catman hassent shown his face in Batman Comics for decades..
and he is smooooth now after Ollie and Roy pined him agains a wall and he was eaten by a monkey.....


that sounds so weird.. even for a comic..

[batmaluco]

The Ventriloquist.

BTW, holy thread ressurrection, Batman! :woot:

[CaptainStacy]

Bane.

[Joker]

Bane.

Bane broke Batman and took over the criminal underworld in Gotham. How many villains in Batman's rogues gallery can say they've done that??

[CaptainStacy]

Bane broke Batman and took over the criminal underworld in Gotham. How many villains in Batman's rogues gallery can say they've done that??

This is true, but it seems that after his third storyline or so, he hasnt been much of a challenge or threat to Batman.

Like others have said, he's quite brilliant as well as physically strong. I'd like to see another major storyline with Bane, using his brains as well as his brawn.

[Nepenthes]

How the hell are Bane, Scarecrow, Freeze and Croc underated? They're solid rogues gallery villains.

To me 'underrated' means villains that don't usually feature in a rogues gallery line-up or are not well known by your average comic reader.


Mad-Hatter....has NEVER had his own good story
Firefly......has much more potential than 'a guy with a jetpack and flame-thrower'

[itsthebatman]

How the hell are Bane, Scarecrow, Freeze and Croc underated? They're solid rogues gallery villains.

To me 'underrated' means villains that don't usually feature in a rogues gallery line-up or are not well known by your average comic reader.


Mad-Hatter....has NEVER had his own good story
Firefly......has much more potential than 'a guy with a jetpack and flame-thrower'

Mad-Hatter has never had his own good story because he is a one-trick pony. And the pony is dead. Even Loeb and sale couldn't do much with him in that Halloween special from way back. I do like Firefly, I have to admit. I wish they hadn't killed Black Mask - he was great, just the kind of ruthless intelligent villain Bats needs.

[The Empire Ape]

The Mad Hatter II.
In the early 80s the Mad Hatter I claimed that he killed him, but years later he returned without any comment? And now, 20 years later, we haven't got an answer.

[Kraven]

Bane.
The only story I've seen with Bane in it is Batman & Robin.:dry: :csad:

[batmaluco]

The only story I've seen with Bane in it is Batman & Robin.:dry: :csad:
Very sad, indeed.
In that film he was portrayed as a gorilla with a hen's brain...:csad:

[Nepenthes]

Mad-Hatter has never had his own good story because he is a one-trick pony. And the pony is dead. Even Loeb and sale couldn't do much with him in that Halloween special from way back. I do like Firefly, I have to admit. I wish they hadn't killed Black Mask - he was great, just the kind of ruthless intelligent villain Bats needs.

Yeah, he been treated as one trick pony so far. But I think there's alot that could be done to update him. Take away the stupid costume and play up his identification with children. It doesn't necessarily have to be paedophilic either. It's more about children being 'order in chaos', innocence and all that. The world makes sense for children, everything is simple and the world is out of their control. And then they grow up. But if you can control adults you bring order back. The world goes back to a fairytale that he can control.

[trustyside-kick]

I feel the Mad Hatter, The Ventriloquist and Scarface, and Firefly are some of the most underrated villains:

- Mad Hatter uses Mind Control devices...so many different stories could accumulate that would be great. And with his obsession with Alice and Wonderland as some writers show, it makes it all more interesting.

- The Ventriloquist was born into a Mafia family. There are so many interesting stories that could've came out that would've made this foe much more epic with his doll Scarface. I mean...Mafia family; 'nuff said. Maybe there could have been Huntress cameos and such to spice it up even more.

- Firefly is a pyro-freak for crying out loud. He has that deadly arsenal, and wears the suit. I really do not understand how he doesn't pose as much of a threat; poor writing has been done with him.

[Kevin Roegele]

The Ventriloquist is such a fantastic villain, and such a purely Batman villain as well.

[trustyside-kick]

Too bad he is dead.

[Two-Face]

He is dead? how?

[trustyside-kick]

You didn't read Batman OYL? I figured you of all people would've since it featured Harvey and how he became Two-Face once again.

[Nepenthes]

Yep. The Hatter and Firefly should be the next two rogues to get an update. Plus Firefly needs a new name. It's gayer than my uncle.

[Spiderine]

I feel the Mad Hatter, The Ventriloquist and Scarface, and Firefly are some of the most underrated villains:

- Mad Hatter uses Mind Control devices...so many different stories could accumulate that would be great. And with his obsession with Alice and Wonderland as some writers show, it makes it all more interesting.

- The Ventriloquist was born into a Mafia family. There are so many interesting stories that could've came out that would've made this foe much more epic with his doll Scarface. I mean...Mafia family; 'nuff said. Maybe there could have been Huntress cameos and such to spice it up even more.

- Firefly is a pyro-freak for crying out loud. He has that deadly arsenal, and wears the suit. I really do not understand how he doesn't pose as much of a threat; poor writing has been done with him.
These three have got to be the most underated villains. The potential stories that could be written for them can be great. The Ventriloqiust mental state, Hatter's influence over people's mind, and the dangerous equipment that Firefly has at his disposal makes him a huge threat. Many other villains may be under used in these days but at some point they have gotten the attention and respect, these three villains never have gotten that.

[bestever23]

I always liked the Arkham Asylum Mad Hatter. He was a Sick old Child Molester and loved girls named Alice. It was sick and twisted and also In Gotham central he played a good role In it was slated he was very smart and "don't always rhyme...he Isn't crazy"

[The Empire Ape]

The Wrath from "The Player on the other Side"