Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

[Obsidian]

Looks like it. I mean there has been so many problems with Marvel movies. Some of the movies were failures (Blade: Trinity and Elektra) because they were mishandled and X3 seems to be mishandled by FOX. Yet, while all this, is happening, DC is making a comeback in movies. Batman and Superman movies are already in the works, with one coming this year and the other coming next. And more are sure to follow because Batman and Superman are iconic figures. Fantastic Four is Marvel's saving grace this year, if it fails, Marvel will suffer heavily. Plus, DC is getting real talent to take over its movies ( i.e. Christopher Nolan, Bryan Singer, etc).

[superhuman]

DC hasn't made a comeback yet, we'll see. Catwoman was a huge flop. Hopefully Batman Begins will help DC. As for Marvel, it's unfair to believe that every movie they put out will be a hit, NO studio has had consistent luck with its film properties. And Marvel has alot of great characters still to come, so let's not dog Marvel yet. Hopefully FF will be a huge hit, because you are right, if FF flops, Marvel will begin its downward spiral.

[Kable24]

Besides The average film goer, not comic book fan more than likely still has a sour taste from Batman and Robin and might think this is what they will get. Don't call X3 a mistake already just because Brian Singer is directing. Don't call BB and SR a hit because who kbnows what will happen with them.

[HighVoltage]

and DC's getting its back ............

To Great movies again,Let me see;

Catwoman;Great Movie,great acting,great performance,yeah this movie is the best example of good movies about Dc,yeah even Die Hard Bat-Fans are proudly about this movie.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/batman.gif

Constantine;With No Relation with original character,with no relationship with Alan Moore,with no great fanbase,yeah this movie is great,It's The Matrix meets Alan Moore,even Keanu Reeves looks similar to Sting.Neo is the Twin Brother of Sting.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Batman Begins Again!!!???;Yeah,people don´t remember that spectacular films about director best known as Joel Shumacher,with great actors, Batman movies are the best of the best of comic book movies,even first movies directed by Tim Burton are great films because he always just take care about the main characters of this films,yeah like Joker,Catwoman,Pengin,Max Schreck,and yes Gotham City,Tim Burton was a great director for Dc films, he was a big fan of...Joker,Er, eh No, Batman,yes Batman.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/joker.gif

[redlion2]

It's waaayyyy too early to tell if that's true. Personally, I hope DC's movies are good because not only will I be there enjoying them but this will force Marvel to stay on it's toes as a player to be reckoned with in cinema.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Gotta disagree Obsidian!

DC is not making a comeback yet. June is months away, and even if BB hits, it's not a guarantee anything else good will follow. Marvel has like 18 movies coming out in the next 2 years, and nearly all of them could be major, major blockbusters (esp. the spin-offs). The trail of DC stinkers far outweigh anything Marvel has produced in the last year or so.

DC/Warner have yet to leave their comfort zone consisting of Batman and Superman. I want to see them take some risks like Marvel is doing, instead of playing it safe all the time.

Besides, it's not like they didn't straight JACK all of the talent that made the X-Men films successful for their new Supes film. Talk about being original. :rolleyes:

[hippie_hunter]

The problem with Marvel is that the movie industry has made them rather arrogant. It made Marvel very money hungry, the quality in their comics has been affected by this arrogance because of it. Their movies are starting to see Marvel's money hunger, Blade Trinity and Elektra show this. Marvel should concentrate on their comics and make movies of Captain America, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Black Panther and Silver Surfer instead of sequels, Ant-Man, Man-Thing, and Mort the Dead Teenager

DC has put some great quality in their comics but because they are owned by WB, the movies have been rather crappy because they have no say in the movies. Superman III, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Supergirl, Steel, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and Catwoman are prime examples of crappy DC movies. The bad ones outweigh the good ones Superman the Movie, Superman II, Batman and Batman Returns. But this may change with Batman Begins and Superman Returns and may spark Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman all leading up to a JLA movie, something Marvel can never do with their Avengers

[Lightning Strykez!]

But this may change with Batman Begins and Superman Returns and may spark Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman all leading up to a JLA movie, something Marvel can never do with their Avengers


Why not? Are you saying because the studios are split with all the franchises?

[HighVoltage]

The problem with Marvel is that the movie industry has made them rather arrogant. It made Marvel very money hungry, the quality in their comics has been affected by this arrogance because of it. Their movies are starting to see Marvel's money hunger, Blade Trinity and Elektra show this. Marvel should concentrate on their comics and make movies of Captain America, Thor, Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Black Panther and Silver Surfer instead of sequels, Ant-Man, Man-Thing, and Mort the Dead Teenager

Arrogant?,Who is arrogant? Dc is arrogant,because in past years ,always that people from Dc was Arrogant,I remember the decade of 90s with Batman & Batman Returns,In words of Dc people and Dc fans,they said,"Hey look at Us,we have the best comic book movies of all time,with Superman,the greatest one,we have a great movies with Batman ,yeah,even we have the best tv cartoon of all time;Batman The Animated Series,MARVEL and his MARVEL ZOMBIES,Tell me,what projects they have; X-MEN THE SERIES and SPIDER- MAN TV CARTOON,that cartoons are not rival for Batman Animated Series,Where is X-MEN THE MOVIE or SPIDER- MAN THE MOTION PICTURE,That projects are only rumors created by MARVEL ZOMBIES", please tell me Hippie Hunter,That's not Arrogance?.

Arrogant is the movie of Catwoman,with a budget of $115 million dollars,with an actress from another comic book movie,with a great production,that movie was a big fiasco,why?,Because Warner & Dc Have loads of money,only for wasting in nothing,That Catwoman Movie was a waste of money,and Warner/Dc knew it before production of Catwoman.

That thing is Arrogance. Dude.

[The Sage]

and DC's getting its back ............

To Great movies again,Let me see;

Catwoman;Great Movie,great acting,great performance,yeah this movie is the best example of good movies about Dc,yeah even Die Hard Bat-Fans are proudly about this movie.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/batman.gif

It made more than Elektra.


Constantine;With No Relation with original character,with no relationship with Alan Moore,with no great fanbase,yeah this movie is great,It's The Matrix meets Alan Moore,even Keanu Reeves looks similar to Sting.Neo is the Twin Brother of Sting.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

And what fanbase did Blade have when it came out


Batman Begins Again!!!???;Yeah,people don´t remember that spectacular films about director best known as Joel Shumacher,with great actors, Batman movies are the best of the best of comic book movies,even first movies directed by Tim Burton are great films because he always just take care about the main characters of this films,yeah like Joker,Catwoman,Pengin,Max Schreck,and yes Gotham City,Tim Burton was a great director for Dc films, he was a big fan of...Joker,Er, eh No, Batman,yes Batman.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/joker.gif

Fortunately the buzz and the trailers are showing that this franchise is headed in the right direction, so Schumacher will be forgotten.

Hey, I'm not saying I want Marvel to do bad, I want it do really well. I want to see both DC and Marvel succeed. But right now, at least until next year it's not looking good.

[Obsidian]

Gotta disagree Obsidian!

DC is not making a comeback yet. June is months away, and even if BB hits, it's not a guarantee anything else good will follow. Marvel has like 18 movies coming out in the next 2 years, and nearly all of them could be major, major blockbusters (esp. the spin-offs). The trail of DC stinkers far outweigh anything Marvel has produced in the last year or so.

DC/Warner have yet to leave their comfort zone consisting of Batman and Superman. I want to see them take some risks like Marvel is doing, instead of playing it safe all the time.

Besides, it's not like they didn't straight JACK all of the talent that made the X-Men films successful for their new Supes film. Talk about being original. :rolleyes:

Look, I don't want Marvel to get any worse or anything because I've loved the X-Men movies, Spiderman 2, and the first two Blade movies. But Marvel has had 2 failures one after the other within a one month period. DC has yet to do that. Marvel better get their act together and convince those movie studios handling their franchises with competent directors instead of people like Rob Bowman. That's their big problem. For some reason, they're lazy. There are plenty of talented directors, Marvel should seek them out. But they don't. They settle for directors that direct box office bombs. Why? Because they're cheap. Yeah, taking risks. Ha! Oh, instead of David Fincher, Arad wanted MSJ to direct Daredevil. Fincher was willing to do Daredevil and Fincher is a much better director than MSJ. Shows you how smart Arad is.:rolleyes:

[hippie_hunter]

Arrogant?,Who is arrogant? Dc is arrogant,because in past years ,always that people from Dc was Arrogant,I remember the decade of 90s with Batman & Batman Returns,In words of Dc people and Dc fans,they said,"Hey look at Us,we have the best comic book movies of all time,with Superman,the greatest one,we have a great movies with Batman ,yeah,even we have the best tv cartoon of all time;Batman The Animated Series,MARVEL and his MARVEL ZOMBIES,Tell me,what projects they have; X-MEN THE SERIES and SPIDER- MAN TV CARTOON,that cartoons are not rival for Batman Animated Series,Where is X-MEN THE MOVIE or SPIDER- MAN THE MOTION PICTURE,That projects are only rumors created by MARVEL ZOMBIES", please tell me Hippie Hunter,That's not Arrogance?.

Arrogant is the movie of Catwoman,with a budget of $115 million dollars,with an actress from another comic book movie,with a great production,that movie was a big fiasco,why?,Because Warner & Dc Have loads of money,only for wasting in nothing,That Catwoman Movie was a waste of money,and Warner/Dc knew it before production of Catwoman.

That thing is Arrogance. Dude.

Ummmm....DC has no say whatsoever in their movies thats why the more recent ones have sucked ass. Marvel was once far better than DC comics wise and DC was better movie wise, today those roles have reversed. Funny irony huh :p

Marvel needs to go back to concentrating on the 616 Universe comics and ditch the crappy Ultimate Marvel Universe comics, and instead of making sequels, Ant-Man, Mort the Dead Teenager, Ghost Rider, and Man-Thing, concentrate on Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Namor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Silver Surfer, Luke Cage and Nick Fury.

[hippie_hunter]

Why not? Are you saying because the studios are split with all the franchises?

Yes, a live action Avengers movie will never, ever happen

[hey yo its sean]

Yes, a live action Avengers movie will never, ever happen

To add to this - Didn't Arad also say something about an Avengers movie being an estimated cost of 500+ million? I don't see how or why it'd cost that much, but if that's a legitamate figure, then yes; the Avengers will never have a live-action movie.

[Erzengel]

Marvel has had some misses to be sure with Blade Trinity and Elektra. But with Spiderman 1 & 2, X-Men 1 & 2, Blade 1 & 2 and fans divided on Hulk and Daredevil, I don't think that Marvel is "losing" it touch. FF will not make or break Marvel films. Spiderman 3 and X-Men 3 are on the horizon.

DC has everything to prove and nothing to lose in my opinion. It hasn't had a good movie since when Batman Returns (which even BR is debatable), technically Batman: Mask of the Phatasm (Best intereptation of Batman to date). I see Constantine as DC's (Blade). Batman Begins while critical to DC's credibility is not the only chance of success with Superman on it's way but I think that Batman Begins needs to be as good as Spiderman or X-Men for DC to be able to have any level of respect and sweep to the side the Catwoman, Steel, Batman and Robin debacles.

[Kmack]

When Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, X-men 3, Iron man, Hulk 2, Namor, Spider-man 3, Wolverine, Captain America, and Thor fail....I'll admit defeat:p

[CConn]

But it is to early to say...in 5 years it may be a different story; DC has Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen...not to mention all their sequels...all gearing up to be made or released. Those are DC's germs. While Marvel's already released all of most of their A-List-Superhero movies...that could give DC the edge...

But right now, we just don't know. It all depends on the quality of the movies that are being/will be made...

[Lord Blackbolt]

I actually hope they stop making Marvel movies for a while. Cause I'm a bit tired of them. I want a freaking Green Lantern movie. If I get a great GL movie...I'll be fine.

[HighVoltage]

But it is to early to say...in 5 years it may be a different story; DC has Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen...not to mention all their sequels...all gearing up to be made or released. Those are DC's germs. While Marvel's already released all of most of their A-List-Superhero movies...that could give DC the edge...

But right now, we just don't know. It all depends on the quality of the movies that are being/will be made...

Superman;Character with high risks,why? only a few people likes Superman;because He is an Alien and people fears Aliens(Specially on U.S.A),he's Not Human,he is from another planet,he don´t born in U.S.A,something else,he is perfect & so powerful,even nobody on DC can´t stop him,yeah that character is Arrogant,because he can do anything,you only see Quentin Tarantino´s Monologue about Superman. Nuff Said.

Batman Begins Again!!!???;this new movie is a re-start,ok,but what kind of re-start?;with Horrible New Bat-Costume,yeah and you know it´s true,awful Mask for Scarescrow(Is a sack of potatoes)that costumes are awfuls for a Superhero filme,now let me see the images from trailers,first trailer look similar to a Brad Pitt's filme;Seven Years On Tibet,and that images from the(Bat)cave,I think is same scenes from Batman Forever(and that's not a good signal),because bat-fans and moviegoers are not same thing,for a bat-fan that images are awesome,but for a moviegoer that images is...same thing with previous movies,why?,because people don´t forget first Batman Movies,Dc thinks wrong about Halle Berry's Catwoman and was happen,that movie was hated for general public,even when my mother saw tv commercials about new Catwoman,she said;"That´s Not Michelle",an obvious opinion about Michelle Pffeifer(Tim Burton´s Catwoman) and the new Catwoman movie,people don´t forget,and fans & moviegoers are not same thing.

Wonder Woman;First time when I saw a news about Wonder Woman was in 1998 year,with Sandra Bullock attached to project,now what´s going on,people don´t love Heroine Movies,why?,I dont Know,you just take a look about Lara Croft Movies,good action movies,but people hates that movies,because main character is a woman,Sad but Truth,now do you really thinks Wonder Woman Movie is project for a good box office, because I don´t believe it,now tell me the story about Wonder Woman,gimme a good story of Wonder Woman Comics,who is the villian?;Cheetah,no that´s bad character,something else?,no he/she is only Wonder Woman's villian.the path is very,very difficult for a Wonder Woman Movie.

Flash and Green Lantern;This is the truth,Warner/Dc Movies=Superman & Batman,sorry but no place for a Flash or Green Lantern movie,why?;you see the movie news;"Batman have a new movie","Superman have a new casting","Batman vs Superman could be a movie",Where is Justice League Movie Project?,Warner have all superfriends in same place,why Batman have a director only for him?,hey what person was the original director of THE X-MEN?,yep that Mercenary known as Bryan Singer,he was a director of a group of Superheroes,why Singer is not a director for a Justice League The Movie?,because only characters who really are important for Warner are;"The Dc Divas";Batman & Superman.Flash Movie or Green Lantern Movie are only rumours created by fans on Internet.


Now Watchmen;That movie is a Paramount production Non?,is from another studio,Watchmen is not a Warner Movie,maybe Dc is the publisher of Alan Moore Comics,but that characters don´t belongs totally to Dc;look at this example; Conan With Marvel,Conan was a MARVEL Comic for many years,but now MARVEL Don´t Owns Conan rights anymore,it´s same thing for Watchmen/Dc,maybe Dc owns Watcmen rights but no for a movie or a new story for comics,please show me a copy of Watchmen vs Justice League,if you have a copy of this crossover,Watchmen is Not a Movie from Dc.

And for;V For Vendetta;I dont know much about this comic of movie,only thing I Know is a production of Wachowski Brothers(Matrix),but only Matrix name Screams;Bad Movie.

See ya.

[hippie_hunter]

You are a dumbass :o

[Obsidian]

Superman;Character with high risks,why? only a few people likes Superman;because He is an Alien and people fears Aliens(Specially on U.S.A),he's Not Human,he is from another planet,he don´t born in U.S.A,something else,he is perfect & so powerful,even nobody on DC can´t stop him,yeah that character is Arrogant,because he can do anything,you only see Quentin Tarantino´s Monologue about Superman. Nuff Said.

Only a few people like Superman? Ummm, have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Wow, what a great and valid argument that people don't like Superman because he is an alien ( :rolleyes: ). Truth is that Superman is one of the most celebrated American icons for almost a century. His "death" in 1993 was highlighted by many media groups and television shows. People were wondering when he was going to come back. And if he would come back. Yeah, few people like Superman, that's why he's been in dozens of shows (both live action and animated) over the past few decades.:rolleyes:

Batman Begins Again!!!???;this new movie is a re-start,ok,but what kind of re-start?;with Horrible New Bat-Costume,yeah and you know it´s true,awful Mask for Scarescrow(Is a sack of potatoes)that costumes are awfuls for a Superhero filme,now let me see the images from trailers,first trailer look similar to a Brad Pitt's filme;Seven Years On Tibet,and that images from the(Bat)cave,I think is same scenes from Batman Forever(and that's not a good signal),because bat-fans and moviegoers are not same thing,for a bat-fan that images are awesome,but for a moviegoer that images is...same thing with previous movies,why?,because people don´t forget first Batman Movies,Dc thinks wrong about Halle Berry's Catwoman and was happen,that movie was hated for general public,even when my mother saw tv commercials about new Catwoman,she said;"That´s Not Michelle",an obvious opinion about Michelle Pffeifer(Tim Burton´s Catwoman) and the new Catwoman movie,people don´t forget,and fans & moviegoers are not same thing.

You're probably one of the few people that do think the Batman costume sucks. Obviously, you know nothing about the film. Yeah, Batman's cave in "Batman Forever" was full of high tech equipment and some flashy Batmobiles. That's like so similiar to the desolate cave in "Batman Begins.:rolleyes:
Awful mask for the Scarecrow?! Ha. This film is going for realism and all Scarecrow had for a costume was in fact a mask like the one in the comics. He also had straw in his costume, but it has no use in the film. We haven't seen the bat-signal in any of the trailers. Are you talking about the bat-symbol? It's alot better than the one in the previous films that basically said "shoot here". Yeah, so you account for all moviegoers? Suuuuuuuure.
And the Catwoman movie is not related to Batman Begins. Different universe altogether. Batman Begins has a stellar cast, an excellent director, and a great script. Catwoman has none of these. So don't compare these two films together. Also, the general public is not your mother. Public is a group of people, not just one person. Much of the general public doesn't really care about the previous Batman films. Many bat fans agree that none of the previous Batman films (save for Mask of the Phantasm) captured the true essence of Batman.


And for;V For Vendetta;I dont know much about this comic of movie,only thing I Know is a production of Wachowski Brothers(Matrix),but only Matrix name Screams;Bad Movie.

See ya.

It's pretty clear you're just badmouthing DC. It's being PRODUCED by the Wachowski brothers, not DIRECTED. There's a difference.

[roach]

One you have to realize that just because a movie isnt big with the fanboys doesnt make it a failure. While the Hulk may have tanked here they are talking about a sequel.
and one other thing I went to the movies and they showed the BB trailer and more than one person moaned Not another one? I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to Bats

[Obsidian]

One you have to realize that just because a movie isnt big with the fanboys doesnt make it a failure. While the Hulk may have tanked here they are talking about a sequel.
and one other thing I went to the movies and they showed the BB trailer and more than one person moaned Not another one? I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to Bats

Hulk didn't tank or flop, it got back it's entire budget, including the money spent on marketing.

And those people were moaning that another Batman film was coming, not about the quality of Batman Begins.

[CConn]

I think they should have done another movie first maybe Wonder Woman before going back to BatsI disagree simply because Batman is DC's most profitable character, and BB is going to be just so good, I doubt many (or even any) of the other DC movies will be able to top it in quality. And, in the end, quality's really the most important thing, not a misinformed non-fan that thinks BB's just another bad Schumacher film.

[The Batman]

I actually hope they stop making Marvel movies for a while. Cause I'm a bit tired of them. I want a freaking Green Lantern movie. If I get a great GL movie...I'll be fine.

I know. especially since they're just developing the lameass heroes. Cap and shellhead are pretty much the only A lister they havent done yet.


and High Voltage is just another Marvel moron who cant accept the fact that DC's is coming back and marvel's no longer the only toddler on the playground

[Saint]

Flash Movie or Green Lantern Movie are only rumours created by fans on Internet.

LMAO! Then I guess David Goyer DIDN'T announce that he's directing the Flash. What a joke.

[Chris Wallace]

I know. especially since they're just developing the lameass heroes. Cap and shellhead are pretty much the only A lister they havent done yet.


and High Voltage is just another Marvel moron who cant accept the fact that DC's is coming back and marvel's no longer the only toddler on the playground
Why does he have to be a moron? First of all, why write Marvel off just b/c you didn't like their last couple of outings? Why can't there be room for both? I'm not even gonna tell you not to count your Kryptonians b4 they emerge from their birthing matrix, but slow your roll.

[Spider-Fan]

DC may be coming back, but I don't see them grabbing Marvel's spot yet. Let us see how Batman Begins and Superman Returns turn out first, then we'll talk.

[CConn]

Why does he have to be a moron?He is a "moron" (and a troll, IMO) because his argument was not that Marvel would continue to make superior films, but rather Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern are all unpopular characters. Considering they are among the most popular superheroes ever, that's an insane statement.

Secondly his use of the English language is amazingly poor, which means (unless English isn't his first language), he is uneducated, which could also be termed, as The Batman said, a moron...though I wouldn't be quite as crass in the wording. :o

[CConn]

DC may be coming back, but I don't see them grabbing Marvel's spot yet. Let us see how Batman Begins and Superman Returns turn out first, then we'll talk.And how the Flash, etc. turn out as well. :up:

Though, BB's going to rock, I can promise you that. :o

[Spider-Fan]

Have they said when Flash will be out. Anyway, I don't get caught up in these DC vs Marvel things, because really I like both. I hope all movies on both sides turn out well.

[hippie_hunter]

The Flash is aiming for a 2007 release

[Spider-Fan]

That makes sense. Thanks btw.

[Chris Wallace]

He is a "moron" (and a troll, IMO) because his argument was not that Marvel would continue to make superior films, but rather Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern are all unpopular characters. Considering they are among the most popular superheroes ever, that's an insane statement.

Secondly his use of the English language is amazingly poor, which means (unless English isn't his first language), he is uneducated, which could also be termed, as The Batman said, a moron...though I wouldn't be quite as crass in the wording. :o
I still think that's extreme. And when I see terms like "Marvel moron" flung about I tend to think the person using it feels that way about ALL Marvel fans.

[CConn]

I still think that's extreme. And when I see terms like "Marvel moron" flung about I tend to think the person using it feels that way about ALL Marvel fans.Ah, yeah, well to me, HighVoltage represents the stupidity of biased fans of both publishers...though, in this case, it just happens to be a biased Marvel fan.

[DarthPlagueis]

The Flash is aiming for a 2007 release
Goyer and his boytoy together again. FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CConn]

Goyer and his boytoy together again. FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HighVoltage]

He is a "moron" (and a troll, IMO) because his argument was not that Marvel would continue to make superior films, but rather Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern are all unpopular characters. Considering they are among the most popular superheroes ever, that's an insane statement. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface1.gif

And Vinnie Jones!!!!,dude are you an english guy?,because Jones is perfect for a Moon Knight The Movie,I´m Just imagined an Union Jack the movie directed by Guy Ritchie with the action of Snatch Movie.

And Moon Knight The Movie directed by Luc Besson(Fifth Element).

This 2 characters just rocks.!!!!

Good ideas there HighVoltage! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Yep,you´re right CConn,I´m a Moron & a Troll because I´m A Marvel Fan!!!

AND I WANT THE MOVIES OF; MOON KNIGHT & UNION JACK.

I´m a big HAWKEYE fan,and I want an AVENGERS Movie with him,I think anothers MARVEL heroes like PUNISHER wears a bow with arrows, because is a homage for great CLINT BARTON,What do you think about this?

Welcome to the Hype! High Voltagehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif I would love to see Hawkeye on the big screen, I love him to death!

Dude you´re right Again;I´m a troll and a MARVEL Moron.

Hey Cconn,You´re so Brilliant!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[CConn]

Yep,you´re right CConn,I´m a Moron & a Troll because I´m A Marvel Fan!!!

AND I WANT THE MOVIES OF; MOON KNIGHT & UNION JACK.

Dude you´re right Again;I´m a troll and a MARVEL Moron.

Hey Cconn,You´re so Brilliant!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif


1). I never called you a moron, The Batman did. In fact, I clearly stated I would not call you that. I merely said you had terrible language skills, and ahorribly illogical argument. :o

2). I didn't say you are a troll because you're a Marvel fan. I said, you're biased in your thinking that any Superhero who is not connected to your favorite publisher, sucks. That you're a Marvel fan has little to do with it.

[Obsidian]

Yep,you´re right CConn,I´m a Moron & a Troll because I´m A Marvel Fan!!!

AND I WANT THE MOVIES OF; MOON KNIGHT & UNION JACK.





Dude you´re right Again;I´m a troll and a MARVEL Moron.

Hey Cconn,You´re so Brilliant!!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif




You are a troll. You ranted on DC's upcoming slate of movies and I proved your wrong on many points, including the fact that Superman is a widely known character. He's an American icon for Pete's sake!:rolleyes:

[CConn]

You are a troll. You ranted on DC's upcoming slate of movies and I proved your wrong on many points, including the fact that Superman is a widely known character. He's an American icon for Pete's sake!:rolleyes:Thanks for reminding me about that.

*looks at sig* :o

[DarthPlagueis]

I guarantee that Superman Returns WILL make more money then Batman Begins. But thats all DC basically has, those two characters. All the others are whatever to the mainstream. Anyways, its been forever since we've had a Superman movie. The anticipation alone is more then BB. The general audience will be confused by this BB restart cuz most of them don't even no it is one. Personally they should have taken Brian Singer's approach with Batman; IGNORE parts 3 & 4 and make a sequel to parts one and two. The first two had that bad ass dark tone to them. Even though part 3 made a lot of money. I think if Val Kilmer returned for Batman & Robin they would made Batman 5 in 2000 and we probably would have been on part seven already. You people also forget that Marvel still has X-3, Spiderman 3, Hulk 2(with a lot a Hulk Smash), and they STILL got one more BIG TIME character not unleashed yet, Captain America.:cool:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Goyer and his boytoy together again. FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I guarantee that Superman Returns WILL make more money then Batman Begins. But thats all DC basically has, those two characters. All the others are whatever to the mainstream.

I dunno Darth...I think a Wonder Woman film done right could...well, do wonders for DC's case. ;)

The problem with DC/Warners is that they are afraid to take chances...they like their comfort zones. The only reason they are venturing out now is because of the widespread success of Marvel's films, and that's a fact.

Marvel has become a trendsetter in launching multiple titles simitaneously.

Warner Brothers is afraid to get wet.

[The Batman]

Why does he have to be a moron? First of all, why write Marvel off just b/c you didn't like their last couple of outings? Why can't there be room for both? I'm not even gonna tell you not to count your Kryptonians b4 they emerge from their birthing matrix, but slow your roll.


He types like a moron, comes off as a moron, is ignorant like a moron.

Sounds like a moron to me.

I didnt say there couldnt be room for both. I'm saying that marvel fanatics are getting mad because they're not the only ones making big franchise movies now.

[Ant-Man]

DC makes one movie (BB) that is supposedly good (how can anyone know absolutely for sure yet?) and is all a sudden the king of comic book movies. If I don't recall their last 3 comic book movies were Catwoman (terrible and that's being nice), Constantine (average, nothing to get over excited about) and Batman and Robin (need I say any more).

Marvel has definitly had missteps but I wouldn't say that D.C has taken the edge from them. That has yet to be determined.

[The Batman]

and recall the last three marvel movies were Blade Trinity, Elektra, and Man-Thing, which was supposedly so bad it got put on the sci-fi channel instead of in theaters. whats your point?

[Chris Wallace]

Ah, yeah, well to me, HighVoltage represents the stupidity of biased fans of both publishers...though, in this case, it just happens to be a biased Marvel fan.
So what-anyone who makes up their mind based on the publisher rather than the merits of the picture itself is stupid? That would nullify this entire thread.

[CConn]

So what-anyone who makes up their mind based on the publisher rather than the merits of the picture itself is stupid? That would nullify this entire thread.Somewhat. Anyone that hears about a Marvel movie and goes "oh that sucks!" (or vica versa) has a very unintelligent mindset, IMO.

And the thing about HighVoltage is...it's not just that. His argument appears unintelligent from every angle:

1). Horrible grammar
2). Horrible spelling
3). Biased opinions
4). Illogical opinions not at all based in fact
5). Horribly organized arguments

How could you not say this guy's not too smart?

[CConn]

DC makes one movie (BB) that is supposedly good (how can anyone know absolutely for sure yet?) and is all a sudden the king of comic book movies.No, it's not that. It's that they have such a killer line up of movies coming. Like I said, Batman, Superman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta and Watchmen is an all-star line up no matter how you look at it. The question is...will they be good? And that's exactly where I agree with your statement below:

Marvel has definitly had missteps but I wouldn't say that D.C has taken the edge from them. That has yet to be determined.

[DarthPlagueis]

and recall the last three marvel movies were Blade Trinity, Elektra, and Man-Thing, which was supposedly so bad it got put on the sci-fi channel instead of in theaters. whats your point?
You're absolutely right on those 3 films. Especially BINO(trinity).

[Chris Wallace]

Y'know what's funny? So many of y'all want to tar & feather David Goyer b/c you didn't like "Trinity"; have you read the credits of the upcoming Batman movie that you're all pinning your hopes on?

[Obsidian]

No, it's not that. It's that they have such a killer line up of movies coming. Like I said, Batman, Superman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, V for Vendetta and Watchmen is an all-star line up no matter how you look at it. The question is...will they be good? And that's exactly where I agree with your statement below:

Don't forget the talent that will be involved in the following films (not including Batman Begins) Bryan Singer, Paul Greengrass, Natalie Portman, Kevin Spacey, Hugh Laurie, and so many more!

[Obsidian]

Y'know what's funny? So many of y'all want to tar & feather David Goyer b/c you didn't like "Trinity"; have you read the credits of the upcoming Batman movie that you're all pinning your hopes on?

Christopher Nolan rewrote much of the script.:o:p

Besides, Goyer isn't bad, he just directed a camp film...a camp film that was never supposed to be camp in the first place.

[Saint]

I don't know why everyone is trashing Trinity; I enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as the previous Blade films, but it was watchable. The writing--save for some missteps--was mostly solid. It was certainly better than Elektra.

[CConn]

Y'know what's funny? So many of y'all want to tar & feather David Goyer b/c you didn't like "Trinity"; have you read the credits of the upcoming Batman movie that you're all pinning your hopes on?Actually, most of the people who I see bashing Goyer for Blade, bash him for BB as well. :o

[Ant-Man]

DC makes one movie (BB) that is supposedly good (how can anyone know absolutely for sure yet?) and is all a sudden the king of comic book movies. If I don't recall their last 3 comic book movies were Catwoman (terrible and that's being nice), Constantine (average, nothing to get over excited about) and Batman and Robin (need I say any more).

Marvel has definitly had missteps but I wouldn't say that D.C has taken the edge from them. That has yet to be determined.

and recall the last three marvel movies were Blade Trinity, Elektra, and Man-Thing, which was supposedly so bad it got put on the sci-fi channel instead of in theaters. whats your point?

My point is this is an asinine thread and the fact that DC is starting to develop some promising properties does not qualify one to say that DC has an edge over Marvel or vice versa.

[Chris Wallace]

My point is this is an asinine thread and the fact that DC is starting to develop some promising properties does not qualify one to say that DC has an edge over Marvel or vice versa.
There's truth in what you say. Not everybody hated "Blade: Trinity" or "Elektra" & not everybody's gonna love "Batman Begins" or the new Superman flick. not everybody hated "Batman Forever & not everybody loved "Spider-Man". So it's really a matter of opinion.

[CConn]

There's truth in what you say. Not everybody hated "Blade: Trinity" or "Elektra" & not everybody's gonna love "Batman Begins" or the new Superman flick. not everybody hated "Batman Forever & not everybody loved "Spider-Man". So it's really a matter of opinion.So Howard the Duck is as good as SM2? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Darko]

Go DC.:up:

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Well I surely hope that DC gets some good flicks out, cause I sitll have the sour after taste left by CINO and B&R. I have high hopes for BB but I don't give a damn about Superman... much less for WW, maybe I'll watch Flash, cause I still remember the old made for TV movie with Dawson's Dad as Flash... and I really hope to see a kickass flash with a buttload of cgi.

Both Marvel and DC have spewed a lot of crap specially made for TV... JLA, Nick Fury Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D (David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury?! Man this is worse than Howard the feathered Ewok... err Duck!)

[Red Mask]

Other superhero films are heading for the screen as well. If I get tired of the hype between either group, I can just enjoy watching "Hellboy 2", or Disney's upcoming "Sky High" - assuming that's good. Why be a slave to either company?

[Chris Wallace]

So Howard the Duck is as good as SM2? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
Let's not get carried away here.

[Chris Wallace]

Other superhero films are heading for the screen as well. If I get tired of the hype between either group, I can just enjoy watching "Hellboy 2", or Disney's upcoming "Sky High" - assuming that's good. Why be a slave to either company?
I'm no slave. Like I always say, I'm primarily a Marvel fan. But i'm not gonna deny myself great entertainmant or willfully subject myself to crap out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I have high hopes for both :thing: and :batman: ; I'm a little skeptical of :supes: , though.

[Weadazoid]

The fact is right now Marvel OWNS, and still owns in the movies department.

They have more characters DC can shake a stick at.

This Summer it's

BB vs FF........... by the end of the summer we will see who's numbers are higher.

[Ant-Man]

BB vs FF........... by the end of the summer we will see who's numbers are higher.

Or instead you could go to both and enjoy them each for their own merits. It baffles me why people continue to make BB vs FF comments. They are two completely different movies in terms of tone and style. The only similarities they have is they are both based on comic books.

[Red Mask]

I'm no slave. Like I always say, I'm primarily a Marvel fan. But i'm not gonna deny myself great entertainmant or willfully subject myself to crap out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I have high hopes for both :thing: and :batman: ; I'm a little skeptical of :supes: , though.

I get skeptical whenever a new title comes out, or when an unknown director takes the helm. I still believe Constantine should have been a British concept, but I did enjoy watching it. (Only after I saw what happened at Chad's grave site.)

[CConn]

Actually, now with the latest DC movie news, I'll say this; if SR, Flash, and WW turn out as well as they should, Marvel will be in serious trouble.

[CConn]

The fact is right now Marvel OWNSThey didn't own last year in the comics department. DC sold more. :o
They have more characters DC can shake a stick at.More characters doesn't equal box office success. It's a combination of many things. Quality of the character, among them (in which DC has the advantage, IMO).
I'm no slave. Like I always say, I'm primarily a Marvel fan. But i'm not gonna deny myself great entertainmant or willfully subject myself to crap out of some misguided sense of loyalty.I agree. I'll admit, I prefer DC, and would love for them to do better, but I'm not going to not go see, or wish ill on Marvel movies because of it.I'm a little skeptical of :supes: , though.As am I, sadly. But I've got a lot of faith in http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/images/smilies/superhero/flash.gif and http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/images/smilies/superhero/wonderwoman.gif
Or instead you could go to both and enjoy them each for their own merits. It baffles me why people continue to make BB vs FF comments. They are two completely different movies in terms of tone and style. The only similarities they have is they are both based on comic books.Frankly, I want the best movie to make the most money. As that's the one that's most deserving, IMO. :up:

[Kmack]

LET THERE BE PEACE!!!:p

[Chris Wallace]

Or instead you could go to both and enjoy them each for their own merits. It baffles me why people continue to make BB vs FF comments. They are two completely different movies in terms of tone and style. The only similarities they have is they are both based on comic books.
Madness, I tell you!

[Chris Wallace]

LET THERE BE PEACE!!!:p
Actually this has gotten out of hand. This "competition" exists only in the minds of fanboys. We need to stop egging each other's houses & all play nice.

[roach]

The fact is right now Marvel OWNS, and still owns in the movies department.

They have more characters DC can shake a stick at.

This Summer it's

BB vs FF........... by the end of the summer we will see who's numbers are higher.

Hmmmm i dont think either one will rule the boxoffice this summer. There will be heavy competion from Episode 3 and regardless if you liked the other two prequels this last one will do extremly well. I also think the adaptation of Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy will also upset the balance....and dont count out Steven Spielburg's War of the Worlds and Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

[hippie_hunter]

Actually, now with the latest DC movie news, I'll say this; if SR, Flash, and WW turn out as well as they should, Marvel will be in serious trouble.

Exactly because if that happens DC can release JLA and team them all up, something Marvel can't do with the Avengers. Just imagine if they did make JLA though

[Chris Wallace]

And what difference would that make? Y'all make it sound like a JLA movie would put Marvel out of business. IT WOULDN'T.

[Red Mask]

A JLA movie wouldn't be the best thing to come out from Warner Bros. You're expecting too much.

[CConn]

He didn't say that. All he said was that a "group" movie is something Marvel can't do. Thusly meaning DC has the edge in that department.

[Chris Wallace]

Which doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. The JLA-like the Avengers-are not a team. They're a collection of solo heroes w/their own storlines who come together in the event of a crisis. A team is a family, where they interact 24-7. This is why movies like "X-Men" & "FF" can be done; "JLA" & "Avengers" can't. Not feasibly. Too many individuals competing for equal screen time. It doesn't make for good storytelling.

[CConn]

Is they can share time in the comic, why wouldn't they do it in the film? :confused:

[Red Mask]

The JLA usually assemble once to three times a month. Monitor duty only requires one person and constant rotation. Outside that time the superheroes tend to their own cities or adventures.

[Chris Wallace]

Is they can share time in the comic, why wouldn't they do it in the film? :confused:
Because...
the JLA comics been in print for decades, as have each of their own individual titles. At the same time, most of their solo books are still in print as well. There's no division of "Screen time" to dispute. :rolleyes:

[CConn]

Because...
the JLA comics been in print for decades, as have each of their own individual titles. At the same time, most of their solo books are still in print as well. There's no division of "Screen time" to dispute. :rolleyes:But they'll all have their own feature films by the time a JLA movie would be made. Again, how is that vastly different from the comics?

And besides, the "division" of screen time is pretty simple; Batman and Superman are the male leads, WW's the female lead. Flash, GL, and MM are the supporting cast. It's not really that hard to do...

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think a JLA movie could be done at a price that would be worth it. That would be a huge project, and cost a lot. Forget screen time, concentrate on the money.

[Red Mask]

And what's the story? A Jerry Bruckheimer rollercoaster ride against the Injustice Gang? Darkseid invades Earth? Or maybe it's the White Martians and J'onn Jonzz assembles the heroes to fight? Simply cutting up screen time for these heroes doesn't sound an appealing story if it's just a long music video.

[CConn]

I don't think a JLA movie could be done at a price that would be worth it. That would be a huge project, and cost a lot. Forget screen time, concentrate on the money.Now, that is a problem. But, two things...

1). It's way more likely to happen than a Avengers movie (which was the original point, if you'll recall)

2). WB could invest that large sum of money in it purely for the spectacle; if there is a JLA movie. It'd be HUGE in marketing, hype, story etc. If they think they could make a profit, I could see them going for it.
And what's the story? A Jerry Bruckheimer rollercoaster ride against the Injustice Gang? Darkseid invades Earth? Or maybe it's the White Martians and J'onn Jonzz assembles the heroes to fight? Simply cutting up screen time for these heroes doesn't sound an appealing story if it's just a long music video.The answer is obvious; don't get somebody like Bruckheimer to do it! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface1.gif

There's plenty of filmmakers who could make a JLA movie work.

[redlion2]

Actually, now with the latest DC movie news, I'll say this; if SR, Flash, and WW turn out as well as they should, Marvel will be in serious trouble.

How is this? When Marvel has Spider-man3, X-Men3, Ironman, Thor, coming down the pipe and Submariner, Silver Sufer/Galactus, Punisher2 and Hulk2 as well. Plus there's no garauntee that SR, Flash and WW will be good.

They didn't own last year in the comics department. DC sold more.

Where are you getting your info from? According to this, Marvel had the largest market share in 2004.
Marvel 36.54%
D.C 30.63%

Here's the link http://www.diamondcomics.com/market_share.html


More characters doesn't equal box office success. It's a combination of many things. Quality of the character, among them (in which DC has the advantage, IMO).


Your opinion. I disagree wholeheartedly.

I'm not caught up in the mindless fanboy wars either but I happen to prefer Marvel more. I want to see both companies do well with their respective movies b/c it's good for all comic fans. Both companies have had their failures and it's good to see D.C coming back but it's too early to say that they're going to grab Marvel's #1 spot. I believe Marvel is going to have a lot to say about that.

[CConn]

How is this? When Marvel has Spider-man3, X-Men3, Ironman, Thor, coming down the pipe and Submariner, Silver Sufer/Galactus, Punisher2 and Hulk2 as well.I believe I already addressed this...X3, Punisher 2, and Hulk 2 are sequels. Sequels almost never do as well as their predecessors. I do however think SM3 will be the exception, that will do very well. Probably arond BB/SR's numbers (aka, it will beat both WW and Flash). As for Iron Man and Submariner...that's simple; Flash and WW are much more well known than both of those properties. Everyone from 9-90 knows who Wonder Woman. You can't say the same about Submariner.

Plus there's no garauntee that SR, Flash and WW will be good.I've stated in like 3 posts! It's getting annoying to have to keep repeating myself. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface1.gif Basically, what I'm doing, is assuming all the movies (both DC and Marvel) will be good. Not all of them will be of course, but to have this discussion, the playing field must be level.

Where are you getting your info from?I can't say...I was mainly doing it from memory. :o

Your opinion. I disagree wholeheartedly.Fair enough. I should mention, I didn't mean DC has the best characters overall...I meant it in terms of the upcoming movies (IE WW > Punisher, etc). But in anycase, do agree that larger properties will beat smaller ones? Like, a Spider-Man movie would beat the crap out of a Dr. Midnite movie every day of the week, right?

I'm not caught up in the mindless fanboy wars either but I happen to prefer Marvel more. I want to see both companies do well with their respective movies b/c it's good for all comic fans.As do I.

Both companies have had their failures and it's good to see D.C coming back but it's too early to say that they're going to grab Marvel's #1 spot.I have always agreed with that.

To reiterate my main point...my original point...

Marvel, with the exception of FF, has already released films of all of their main properties; Spider-Man, X-Men, Punisher, Hulk, Daredevil. DC...has not. And, my belief is, main, well-known properties will always beat, smaller lesser known properties. If the situations were reversed, and DC had already released Batman, Superman, WW, Flash and GL movies, and Marvel was just coming up with Spider-Man and X-Men, I'd say Marvel could/would be tops. And I doubt any Marvel fans would be disagreeing with me then. :o

[The Batman]

How is this? When Marvel has Spider-man3, X-Men3, Ironman, Thor, coming down the pipe and Submariner, Silver Sufer/Galactus, Punisher2 and Hulk2 as well. Plus there's no garauntee that SR, Flash and WW will be good.



.

and theres garauntee that the upcoming marvel flicks will be good?

[roach]

[QUOTE=CConn]I believe I already addressed this...X3, Punisher 2, and Hulk 2 are sequels. Sequels almost never do as well as their predecessors. /QUOTE]

Where are you getting that from??? I am positive X2 did more than the first one. ESB did better than Star Wars. Superman 2 did better than Superman, Blade 2 did better than Blade. Two Towers did better than Fellowship. MI2 did better than MI.

[Red Mask]

Mission Impossible 2? That I can't agree with.

[brainchild81]

Besides The average film goer, not comic book fan more than likely still has a sour taste from Batman and Robin and might think this is what they will get. Don't call X3 a mistake already just because Brian Singer is directing. Don't call BB and SR a hit because who kbnows what will happen with them.Agreed. Let's wait & see. After Catwoman, I'll have to have watched a good DC movie before I'll say they're getting anything back. This thread seems like a big DC fan's wishful thinking to me.

[HighVoltage]

O.K. here we go again.

and theres garauntee that the upcoming marvel flicks will be good?

Marvel have control about his characters,Dc do´nt.Marvel have good ideas about searching people who can do a great comicbook movie,Dc don´t,only thing about Dc is steal Marvel´s talent for his characters,examples;

X-Men Director Bryan Singer for Superman.
Blade Director & screen writer David Goyer for Batman.
X-Men Actress Halle Berry for Catwoman.
X-Men Producer Lauren Shuler Donner for Neo Constantine.
X-Men Writer Joss Whedon for Wonder Woman.

Wow.Dc/Warner is so original.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

And about your question is;Yes,why? For example;

Elektra & Blade Trinity,ok,for us this movies are bad,why?,try to compare this movies with Spidey or The X-Men & you´ll see the difference,but,anyway this movies are great comicbookmovies because this characters are similar to comic´s counterpart,and this movies have things(easter eggs like DD Movie) specially for comic fans,& everybody knows this is truth,when I saw Blade against Drake in final Battle,wow,that fight was amazing,or Elektra fighting with Hand´s members,whoa,I can´t believe what I saw,anyway this movies are entertainment,but have flaws in comparison with others MARVEL Movies like Spidey or X-Men.But are great movies.

Now try to compare Elektra & Blade Trinity with Catwoman and (Neo)Constantine...Catwoman is an offense, and Movie Constantine is not similar to Sting.Only similar with comic is the name of John Constantine.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[CConn]

I believe I already addressed this...X3, Punisher 2, and Hulk 2 are sequels. Sequels almost never do as well as their predecessors.

Where are you getting that from??? I am positive X2 did more than the first one. ESB did better than Star Wars. Superman 2 did better than Superman, Blade 2 did better than Blade. Two Towers did better than Fellowship. MI2 did better than MI.You're wrong on about half of the movies you listed. And I can list about 5 sequels off the top of my head who did not to as well as the film before. Remember, I said almost never.

[CConn]

Agreed. Let's wait & see. After Catwoman, I'll have to have watched a good DC movie before I'll say they're getting anything back. This thread seems like a big DC fan's wishful thinking to me.Okay, let me say again, what I mentioned a little bit earlier...

Lets not look at it as companies, but as characters...

In one colum I see these movies coming out: Batman, Superman, WW, Flash.
In another I see: Spider-Man 3, Hulk 2, Punisher 2, Iron Man, Sub-Mariner.

Now, save for Spider-Man, the first colum's Superheroes are more popular with the general public. And that's why I say DC will put up some strong competition. I never said they would top Marvel. I'm saying it's possible. And I'd be saying the same thing for Marvel, if the situation was reversed. How is that biased. :confused:

[The Sage]

O.K. here we go again.



Marvel have control about his characters,Dc do´nt.Marvel have good ideas about searching people who can do a great comicbook movie,Dc don´t,only thing about Dc is steal Marvel´s talent for his characters,examples;

Are you serious? If Marvel has so much control over their characters and can find good people to do movies, then why did movies such as Punisher not go so well, why did Daredevil have so many changes and not do well, and why did Elektra have so many changes and did as bad as it did? If it's all Marvel pulling the strings in terms of movies, then that's kind of sad that certain movies did poorly, at least DC can say it was WB's fault for their movies' screw ups and not their own, LOL.


X-Men Director Bryan Singer for Superman.


I'll give you that.


Blade Director & screen writer David Goyer for Batman.


Who also happens to be a writer of one of DC's books, the JSA.


X-Men Actress Halle Berry for Catwoman.


Give you that.


X-Men Producer Lauren Shuler Donner for Neo Constantine.


Who happens to be the wife of Richard Donner, the man who brought Superman to the screen?


X-Men Writer Joss Whedon for Wonder Woman.

Wow.Dc/Warner is so original.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif


Let's not get started on originality. I'm sure DC fans could cite a number of times Marvel has "borrowed" something from DC/Warners and I'm sure the same could apply vice-versa.

The talent goes where they want, the companies don't steal anything.

Let's not forget about Superman and Batman scribe Jeph Loeb also doing some marvel work a few years back, namely Spider-Man Blue, Daredevil Yellow, and Hulk Gray.

[Weadazoid]

to help settle the argument between CCon and Roach

US Box office

1 Titanic Paramount Pictures $600,788,188 12/19/1997
2 Star Wars Twentieth Century Fox $460,998,007 05/25/1977
3 Shrek 2 DreamWorks Pictures $441,226,247 05/19/2004
4 E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Universal Pictures $435,110,554 06/11/1982
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Twentieth Century Fox $431,088,301 05/19/1999
6 Spider-Man Columbia Tristar $403,706,375 05/03/2002
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King New Line Cinema $377,027,325 12/17/2003
8 Spider-Man 2 Columbia Pictures (Sony) $373,585,825 06/30/2004
9 The Passion of The Christ Newmarket Film Group $370,704,626 02/25/2004
10 Jurassic Park N/A $357,067,947 N/A
11 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers New Line Cinema $341,786,758 12/12/2002
12 Finding Nemo Walt Disney/Pixar $339,714,978 05/30/2003
13 Forrest Gump Paramount Pictures $329,694,499 N/A
14 The Lion King Walt Disney Pictures $328,541,776 06/15/1994
15 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Warner Brothers $317,575,550 11/16/2001
16 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring New Line Cinema $314,776,170 12/19/2001
17 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones Lucasfilm/Twentieth Century Fox $310,676,740 05/16/2002
18 Return of the Jedi Twentieth Century Fox $309,306,177 05/25/1983
19 Independence Day Twentieth Century Fox $306,169,268 07/02/1996
20 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Walt Disney $305,413,918 07/09/2003
21 The Sixth Sense Hollywood Pictures $293,506,292 08/06/1999
22 The Empire Strikes Back Twentieth Century Fox $290,475,067 05/21/1980
23 Home Alone Twentieth Century Fox $285,761,243 11/16/1990
24 The Matrix Reloaded Warner Brothers $281,576,461 05/15/2003
25 Meet the Fockers Universal Pictures $277,292,460 12/22/2004
26 Shrek Dreamworks SKG $267,665,011 05/18/2001
27 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Warner Brothers $261,988,482 11/15/2002
28 The Incredibles Disney/Pixar $261,151,481 11/05/2004
29 Dr. Seuss' How The Grinch Stole Christmas Universal Pictures $260,044,825 11/17/2000
30 Jaws Universal Pictures $260,000,000 06/01/1975
31 Monsters, Inc. Disney/Pixar $255,873,250 11/02/2001
32 Batman Warner Brothers $251,188,924 06/23/1989
33 Men in Black Columbia Tristar $250,690,539 07/02/1997
34 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Warner Bros. $249,541,069 06/04/2004
35 Toy Story 2 Walt Disney Pictures $245,852,179 11/24/1999
36 Bruce Almighty Universal $242,829,261 05/23/2003
37 Raiders of the Lost Ark Paramount Pictures $242,374,454 06/01/1981
38 Twister Warner Brothers $241,721,524 05/10/1996
39 My Big Fat Greek Wedding IFC Films $241,438,208 04/19/2002
40 Ghostbusters Columbia Pictures $238,632,124 06/01/1984
41 Beverly Hills Cop N/A $234,760,478 N/A
42 Cast Away Twentieth Century Fox $233,632,142 12/22/2000
43 The Exorcist Warner Brothers $232,671,011 12/26/1973
44 The Lost World: Jurassic Park Universal Pictures $229,086,679 05/23/1997
45 Signs Touchstone Pictures $227,966,634 08/02/2002
46 Rush Hour 2 New Line Cinema $226,164,286 08/03/2001
47 Mrs. Doubtfire N/A $219,195,243 N/A
48 Ghost Paramount Pictures $217,631,306 07/13/1990
49 Aladdin Walt Disney Pictures $217,350,219 N/A
50 Saving Private Ryan Dreamworks SKG $216,540,909 07/24/1998
51 Mission: Impossible 2 Paramount Pictures $215,409,889 05/24/2000
52 X2: X-Men United 20th Century Fox $214,949,694 05/02/2003
53 Austin Powers in Goldmember New Line Cinema $213,307,889 07/26/2002
54 Back to the Future Universal Pictures $210,609,762 07/03/1985
55 Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me New Line Cinema $206,040,086 06/11/1999
56 Terminator 2: Judgment Day N/A $204,843,345 N/A
57 The Mummy Returns Universal Pictures $202,019,785 05/04/2001
58 Armageddon Touchstone Pictures $201,578,182 07/01/1998
59 Gone With the Wind MGM $198,676,459 01/01/1939
60 Pearl Harbor Touchstone Pictures $198,542,554 05/25/2001
61 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Paramount Pictures $197,171,806 05/24/1989
62 Toy Story Buena Vista Distribution Compa $191,796,233 11/22/1995
63 Men in Black II Columbia Tristar $190,418,803 07/03/2002
64 Grease Paramount Pictures $188,389,888 06/01/1978
65 Gladiator DreamWorks SKG $187,705,427 05/05/2000
66 The Day After Tomorrow 20th Century Fox $186,740,799 05/28/2004
67 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs N/A $184,925,486 N/A
68 Dances with Wolves Orion Pictures $184,208,848 11/09/1990
69 Batman Forever Warner Brothers $184,031,112 06/16/1995
70 The Fugitive Warner Brothers $183,875,760 08/06/1993
71 Ocean's Eleven Warner Brothers $183,417,150 12/07/2001
72 What Women Want Paramount Pictures $182,811,707 12/15/2000
73 The Perfect Storm Warner Brothers $182,618,434 06/30/2000
74 Liar Liar Universal Pictures $181,410,615 03/21/1997
75 Jurassic Park III Universal Pictures $181,171,875 07/18/2001
76 Mission: Impossible Paramount Pictures $180,981,886 05/22/1996
77 Planet of the Apes Twentieth Century Fox $180,011,740 07/27/2001
78 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Paramount Pictures $179,870,271 05/01/1984
79 Pretty Woman Touchstone Pictures $178,406,268 03/23/1990
80 Tootsie Columbia Pictures $177,200,000 12/01/1982
81 Top Gun Paramount Pictures $176,786,701 05/12/1986
82 There's Something About Mary Twentieth Century Fox $176,484,651 07/15/1998
83 Ice Age 20th Century Fox $176,387,405 03/15/2002
84 The Bourne Supremacy Universal Pictures $176,241,941 07/23/2004
85 Crocodile Dundee N/A $174,803,506 N/A
86 Apollo 13 Universal Pictures $173,837,397 06/30/1995
87 Home Alone 2: Lost in New York N/A $173,585,516 N/A
88 Elf New Line Cinema $173,398,518 11/07/2003
89 Air Force One Columbia Tristar $172,956,409 07/25/1997
90 Rain Man MGM $172,825,435 12/16/1988
91 The Matrix Warner Brothers $171,479,930 03/31/1999
92 Beauty and the Beast Walt Disney Pictures $171,350,553 11/22/1991
93 Tarzan Walt Disney Pictures $171,091,819 06/18/1999
94 National Treasure Walt Disney Pictures $170,845,813 11/19/2004
95 A Beautiful Mind Universal Pictures $170,742,341 12/21/2001
96 Chicago Miramax Films $170,687,518 12/27/2002
97 Three Men and a Baby N/A $167,780,960 N/A
98 Meet the Parents Universal Pictures $166,244,045 10/06/2000
99 Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves N/A $165,493,908 N/A
100 Hannibal Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer $165,092,268 02/09/2001
101 Catch Me If You Can Dreamworks $164,615,351 12/25/2002
102 Big Daddy Columbia Tristar $163,479,795 06/25/1999
103 Batman Returns Warner Brothers $162,831,698 06/19/1992
104 A Bug's Life Walt Disney Pictures $162,798,565 11/25/1998
105 The Polar Express Warner Bros. $162,775,358 11/10/2004
106 Hitch Columbia Pictures $162,159,000 02/11/2005
107 The Waterboy Touchstone Pictures $161,491,646 11/06/1998
108 Die Another Day MGM $160,942,139 11/22/2002
109 Shark Tale Dreamworks SKG $160,861,908 10/01/2004
110 The Sound of Music 20th Century-Fox $158,671,368 04/01/1965
111 The Firm Paramount Pictures $158,348,367 N/A
112 X-Men Twentieth Century Fox $157,299,717 07/14/2000
113 Scary Movie Dimension Films $157,019,771 07/07/2000
114 Fatal Attraction Paramount Pictures $156,645,693 09/18/1987
115 Who Framed Roger Rabbit? N/A $156,452,370 N/A
116 The Sting Universal Pictures $156,000,000 12/01/1973
117 What Lies Beneath Dreamworks SKG $155,464,351 07/21/2000
118 The Mummy Universal Pictures $155,385,488 05/07/1999
119 Jerry Maguire TriStar Pictures $153,952,592 12/13/1996
120 Beverly Hills Cop 2 N/A $153,665,036 N/A
121 Scooby-Doo Warner Brothers $153,294,164 06/14/2002
122 Gremlins Warner Bros $153,083,102 06/01/1984
123 Runaway Bride Paramount Pictures $152,257,509 07/30/1999
124 Rambo - First Blood Pt. 2 TriStar Pictures $150,415,432 N/A
125 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Warner Brothers $150,371,112 07/02/2003
126 As Good as It Gets TriStar Pictures $148,478,011 12/23/1997
127 Lethal Weapon 2 N/A $147,253,986 N/A
128 True Lies 20th Century Fox $146,282,411 07/15/1994
129 Lilo & Stitch Walt Disney $145,794,338 06/21/2002
130 American Pie 2 Universal Pictures $145,103,595 08/10/2001
131 101 Dalmatians N/A $144,880,014 N/A
132 The Santa Clause Buena Vista Distribution Compa $144,833,357 11/11/1994
133 I, Robot 20th Century Fox $144,801,023 07/16/2004
134 Lethal Weapon 3 N/A $144,731,527 N/A
135 The Fast and the Furious Universal Pictures $144,533,925 06/22/2001
136 Dr. Dolittle Twentieth Century Fox $144,156,605 06/26/1998
137 XXX Columbia Pictures $142,109,382 08/09/2002
138 The Jungle Book N/A $141,843,612 N/A
139 National Lampoon's Animal House Universal Pictures $141,600,000 07/01/1978
140 Pocahontas N/A $141,579,773 N/A
141 A Few Good Men Columbia Pictures $141,340,178 12/11/1992
142 Rush Hour New Line Cinema $141,186,864 09/18/1998
143 The Blair Witch Project Artisan Entertainment $140,539,099 07/30/1999
144 Deep Impact Paramount Pictures $140,464,664 05/08/1998
145 Look Who's Talking N/A $140,088,813 N/A
146 Stuart Little Columbia Tristar $140,035,367 12/17/1999
147 Sister Act N/A $139,605,150 N/A
148 The Matrix Revolutions Warner Brothers $139,313,948 11/05/2003
149 The Santa Clause 2 Walt Disney $139,236,327 11/01/2002
150 Cheaper by the Dozen 20th Century Fox $138,614,544 12/25/2003

[The Sage]

Don't sequels most of the time make more than the original?

[Weadazoid]

Don't sequels most of the time make more than the original?

No.....definately not

Spiderman 2, Star Wars, Harry Potters all of them went down compared to the origional still hihgly HIHGLY successful, but did not do as well


And look at Batman.

The Matrix was an anomily had they just made 1 bigger seuqla it would have proven beter, Reloaded had people clamoring just cause it was the in thang

by the time Revolutions came around(arguably beter in most respects then Reloaded) the coolness had warn off.


it is VERY VERY hard for the sequal to do beter the OG>

[CConn]

Don't sequels most of the time make more than the original?Not really. Off the top of my head...

Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Batman
Spider-Man
Superman
Harry Potter
Back to the Future
Rocky
Men in Black

All their sequels made less than the originals...

[Weadazoid]

Not really. Off the top of my head...

Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Batman
Spider-Man
Superman
Harry Potter
Back to the Future
Rocky
Men in Black

All their sequels made less than the originals...



exactly when it does happen it is looked at as a increadible success, now Granted Spiderman 2 was right there, and all things considered haveing eh Origional and the Sequal in the top 10 all time is near impossible, cause realy Star Wars and Star wars episode one doesn't count, leat not in my bookl.

[CConn]

Episode I still didn't beat the original. :up:

[Weadazoid]

true, though I must admitt ROTS could top em both considering this is why everyone went to episode 1, and were disapointed by a badly cast child actor.

[redlion2]

I believe I already addressed this...X3, Punisher 2, and Hulk 2 are sequels. Sequels almost never do as well as their predecessors. I do however think SM3 will be the exception, that will do very well. Probably arond BB/SR's numbers (aka, it will beat both WW and Flash). As for Iron Man and Submariner...that's simple; Flash and WW are much more well known than both of those properties. Everyone from 9-90 knows who Wonder Woman. You can't say the same about Submariner.


Fair enough. I should mention, I didn't mean DC has the best characters overall...I meant it in terms of the upcoming movies (IE WW > Punisher, etc). But in anycase, do agree that larger properties will beat smaller ones? Like, a Spider-Man movie would beat the crap out of a Dr. Midnite movie every day of the week, right?


I'll address both of these comments in one post because it basically deals with the same subject.. character popularity and how it relates to audience participation. I'll agree with your premise only up to a point. You would probably be right in most cases concerning your assumption that more popular characters will do better than obscure ones as far as films go but this is not always the case.

A glaring example would be Spider-man. Prior to Spider-man being released only the most diehard Spidey fan would've debated that Spidey could beat both Batman and Superman (which are both so-called more popular) as far as critics, fan approval and mainly box office numbers go, yet Spidey trounced both of them soundly. The same thing could happen with the upcoming BB and FF films. It's not impossible.

This is my point. As far as comics go, yeah Flash, WW and Green Lantern might be more popular than SS, Thor, Ironman, Ghost Rider and Sub-mariner but because these properties are making a transition to an altogether different medium, such as film in which they have to appeal to a broader audience, print popularity might not be an advantage for them. If for example, Green Lantern is a good movie and Thor is a better movie, I would fully expect Thor to perform better despite GL's so-called greater comic appeal. IMO.

In other words, I'm willing to compromise with your original point and that is... Marvel COULD be in trouble if those films you mentioned do well but at the same time there's a strong possibility Marvel could hold on to it's #1 spot even if those movies are released. I'm just pointing out the alternative.

As I've stated earlier, there's not enough evidence as of now to claim Marvel is losing it's edge and D.C. is getting their's back. Marvel's latest outings haven't been the best, Blade:Trinity and Elektra, but neither has D.C.'s LOEG and Catwoman. Add to that Constantine's $71,465,000 domestic b.o., offset by it's 100 mil. production cost vs. Blade with it's 70,087,718 domestic b.o. offset by it's 50 mil. production cost, one would still have to concede there's not enough proof to say D.C. is taking Marvel's #1 spot.

I only used those two franchises as examples because D.C. fans like to point out Constantine as the beginning of D.C.'s come back and Blade was Marvel's. I'm not debating the quality of those movies because that's too subjective.

[CConn]

Personally, I think DC has a bit better chance of making a come back than you do, but you basically got my point. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

But they'll all have their own feature films by the time a JLA movie would be made. Again, how is that vastly different from the comics?


In theory.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think a JLA movie could be done at a price that would be worth it. That would be a huge project, and cost a lot. Forget screen time, concentrate on the money.
I chose not to bring that up. Getting Bale & Routh to suit up for a movie which doesn't focus on their respective characters is a costly proposition in itself.

[redlion2]

Personally, I think DC has a bit better chance of making a come back than you do, but you basically got my point. :up:

I understand where you're comin' from so it's all good:)

[Red Mask]

We are many years away from ever getting a JLA movie.

[Obsidian]

O.K. here we go again.



Marvel have control about his characters,Dc do´nt.Marvel have good ideas about searching people who can do a great comicbook movie,Dc don´t,only thing about Dc is steal Marvel´s talent for his characters,examples;

X-Men Director Bryan Singer for Superman.
Blade Director & screen writer David Goyer for Batman.
X-Men Actress Halle Berry for Catwoman.
X-Men Producer Lauren Shuler Donner for Neo Constantine.
X-Men Writer Joss Whedon for Wonder Woman.


You act as if these people are bound to Marvel and can't expand their horizons to other companies! Is there some unwritten rule that people can't make other comic book movies that happen to be owned by a different company?! DC did not steal talent. The talent came to DC. They VOLUNTARILY took part in DC films. Oh damn, since Matthew Vaughn's making X-Men 3, he is officially barred from making a DC movie! :rolleyes: :p

[Red Mask]

Wait a minute - don't we mean Warner Bros. when we talk about DC? And the Marvel titles are spread throughout different companies.

[Obsidian]

Yeah

[CConn]

So wait...that means if Bats and Co. all do well, it's a given WB beats all the Marvel's movie companies...since they're divided.

Huh.

[redlion2]

and theres garauntee that the upcoming marvel flicks will be good?

There's no garauntee with either company and that's not what I was saying but what I'm implying is that even if D.C.'s major properties are released, they still might not be enough for D.C. to dethrone Marvel with all of it's upcoming releases.

[Chris Wallace]

So wait...that means if Bats and Co. all do well, it's a given WB beats all the Marvel's movie companies...since they're divided.

Huh.
Beats them how? There isn't a contest!

[Excel]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.

heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit. Marvel has another xmen/average sized franchise going with the fantastic four, and if marvel ****s that up too, their in serious trouble, as dunst is gone after spidey 3, not to mention two new hers in batman and superman, may over take him as the raining cinema comic book champion.

But honestly, who cares? For nearly twenty years 1978-1997 dc OWNED anything that tried to cross its path movies wise. with two franchiens and adjusted inflation, the eight movies they had woulda made them over 3.5 billion. so now 2000-2004 marvel wins win. they put out about 8 movies and total about 2 billion, 1.5. of it coming from two movies alone. ok. dc has a much better history MONEY WISE and they look taking the lead quality wise(lets face it-fox rushed fantastic four, cast and shot august and released 11 months later, ditto x3) because batman begins had been filming for four months before fantastic fours roles were even cast. same for superman and x3. dc is now putting a lot more time into their films, something they didnt used to do, and marvel did. now theyve switched. and as th past has shown, the franchise that puts time into their films like dc did with superman, superman 2, batman, and marvel did with xmen, x2, and spiderman, you get the most money. and dc is putting the most time in right now. Batman Begins should make them atleats even, as it looks like it could be three huge things (a. best comic book movie b)a classic c) a huge mega hit). i think theyll get even no matter how good or how well the fantasic does, just because batman is much more important.

[CConn]

Beats them how? There isn't a contest!Beats them in profits, I mean. And yes, there is a contest when it comes to the studios; they all want to make more than the other. But it was just an aside, anyway, since it doesn't have anything to do really with either DC or Marvel.

[roach]

Episode I still didn't beat the original. :up:

It would have if The original trilogy didnt get re released

[Red Mask]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.

heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-


No - it's Warner Bros., not DC. Remember who is the MASTER and who is the *****. DC is the *****.

[redlion2]

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit. Marvel has another xmen/average sized franchise going with the fantastic four, and if marvel ****s that up too, their in serious trouble, as dunst is gone after spidey 3, not to mention two new hers in batman and superman, may over take him as the raining cinema comic book champion.


First off, you're making a lot of assumptions. We know Warner/D.C. are planning for Batman and Superman to be huge but there's no garauntee. These films have to appeal to a broader audience than just the comics crowd in order to be a financial success. What if Batman fails to excite the general audience? WB/D.C. is under more pressure to deliver than Marvel. If FF fails, Marvel still has Spider-man3 and X-men3, two proven franchises, if BB fail..how much more trouble is WB/D.C in? The jury is still out on Supes, there's a lot of variables still up in the air to prematurely claim Supes is a mega-hit. If WB/D.C.'s two top dawgs fail to impress, you can kiss WW and Flash goodbye. IMO.

But honestly, who cares? For nearly twenty years 1978-1997 dc OWNED anything that tried to cross its path movies wise. with two franchiens and adjusted inflation, the eight movies they had woulda made them over 3.5 billion.

WB/D.C. was the only kid on the block back then, that's no longer the case. Overall, Marvel has parleyed three successful franchises: Blade, X-men and Spider-man.

dc has a much better history MONEY WISE and they look taking the lead quality wise(lets face it-fox rushed fantastic four, cast and shot august and released 11 months later, ditto x3) because batman begins had been filming for four months before fantastic fours roles were even cast.

That's irrelevant. The fact that BB had longer filming time or a larger budget doesn't automatically make it a better movie.

Batman Begins should make them atleats even, as it looks like it could be three huge things (a. best comic book movie b)a classic c) a huge mega hit). i think theyll get even no matter how good or how well the fantasic does, just because batman is much more important.

Hey man, I like your enthusiasm but if FF is better IMO and more financially successful....Marvel still holds on to it's #1 spot.

[CConn]

It would have if The original trilogy didnt get re releasedAnd thank God it did. :o

[CaptainStacy]

Very good points and observations, RedLion2.

[brainchild81]

Batman might do near-Spider-Man type numbers. I just don't see people lined up outside to see WW, Aquaman or, Supes. They all seem kind of vanilla. I hope all the movies are good and do well, no matter what company. That way, the consumers win. More importantly, no matter who makes better movies or makes more money, I don't care because none of it is going to my favorite charity, the brainchild81 pocket fund.

[The Sage]

Batman might do near-Spider-Man type numbers. I just don't see people lined up outside to see WW, Aquaman or, Supes. They all seem kind of vanilla. I hope all the movies are good and do well, no matter what company. That way, the consumers win. More importantly, no matter who makes better movies or makes more money, I don't care because none of it is going to my favorite charity, the brainchild81 pocket fund.

I think your disdain for Superman is preventing from seeing that a Superman movie done very well would pull in a helluva lot of money, Spider-Man numbers possibly.

[CConn]

Batman might do near-Spider-Man type numbers. I just don't see people lined up outside to see WW, Aquaman or, Supes.You could be right about Aquaman...maybe WW (though you're dead wrong about Supes, IMO). But on the other side, who's going to be lined up to see Thor and Sub-Mariner? :o

[redlion2]

You could be right about Aquaman...maybe WW (though you're dead wrong about Supes, IMO). But on the other side, who's going to be lined up to see Thor and Sub-Mariner? :o

I certainly would;)

It all comes down to the marketing.

[Weadazoid]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.

heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit. Marvel has another xmen/average sized franchise going with the fantastic four, and if marvel ****s that up too, their in serious trouble, as dunst is gone after spidey 3, not to mention two new hers in batman and superman, may over take him as the raining cinema comic book champion.

But honestly, who cares? For nearly twenty years 1978-1997 dc OWNED anything that tried to cross its path movies wise. with two franchiens and adjusted inflation, the eight movies they had woulda made them over 3.5 billion. so now 2000-2004 marvel wins win. they put out about 8 movies and total about 2 billion, 1.5. of it coming from two movies alone. ok. dc has a much better history MONEY WISE and they look taking the lead quality wise(lets face it-fox rushed fantastic four, cast and shot august and released 11 months later, ditto x3) because batman begins had been filming for four months before fantastic fours roles were even cast. same for superman and x3. dc is now putting a lot more time into their films, something they didnt used to do, and marvel did. now theyve switched. and as th past has shown, the franchise that puts time into their films like dc did with superman, superman 2, batman, and marvel did with xmen, x2, and spiderman, you get the most money. and dc is putting the most time in right now. Batman Begins should make them atleats even, as it looks like it could be three huge things (a. best comic book movie b)a classic c) a huge mega hit). i think theyll get even no matter how good or how well the fantasic does, just because batman is much more important.


SO X Men is just an average sized franchise? Considering x2 made quite a bit more then the origional I don't think you can call it of average size, X Men is set to realy break out with X3 and the way I see it the numbers will only continue to climb. Considering X2 broke the 200 Million mark on state side box office, i don't think it can be considered of only average size.

FF looks great from the show west trailer I am now realy realy into the idea of seeing this movie, I still have a wait and see attitude with batman, and while I will see it, I am not sure how critics and the general movie going audience will react. There are going to be instant comparison to Burtons films, and realy it is how the audience racts, after all Batman Forever got realy strong reviews, saying Shumaker exposed more of Batmans roots more so then Burton did in two films, and while opeing day numbers were huge they quickly dwindles cause fans and movie goers just did not see it that way.

BB needs to hit people hard wih the final trailer, and in all honesty from what I have sen so far FF has out paced them with the finalized trailer.

Superman could be great, then again they will see competion from X3, and I just don't know if Superman can be all that interesting in a returning role with no supevillain to fight Superman.

On one hand you are going to have x3 with a returning Magneto and god knows what else (sentinals, Dark Phoenix) as protagonist, and on the other hadn an all powerful superhero in Superman faceing the very smart, and politlcly powerful Lex Luthor. What kind of flashy eye candy is Lex going to provide?

[CConn]

I certainly would;)But we're not exactly members of the general public, are we? ;)

It all comes down to the marketing.Marketing, quality, and popularity of the characters are all factors...

But if they're of the same quality, I'm quite sure most people would choose Aquaman over Thor, simply because of the familiarity of the character through the TV series, etc.

[brainchild81]

obviously right now dc has an edge because marvel has released 80% of their hero movies while dc has relesed none.
I'm not sure that this "80%" is true and even if true that's not necessarily an advantage. Time will tell. What if the majority of these DC movies aren't much better than Catwoman?
heres why dc has an advantage RIGHT NOW-

while marvel seems to be simultaneously releasing smaller comic book heros, while having one huge franchise in spiderman, dc is set two have two huge franchies-batman and superman-going at the same time. plus, wonder woman and the flash are in the works, adding to their smaller films. marvel tried to have two in hulk as the second, but they failed. Batman looks to be huge and superman is a gaurenteed mega hit. 1st, X-Men is pretty huge. 2nd, Everybody has a right to opinion but sometimes when you state one like it's a fact you look very stupid. No movie is guaranteed mega hit, especially not Superman. Wait until it comes out. If Supes makes X-Men $$ I'll be surprised. Could be a hit, could be a flop. I don't think it'll be a mega hit, but I'm not gonna put my guarantee on that though. Batman seems to have a much better chance. I'd be really surprised if any of these break any records.

[CConn]

I'm not sure that this "80%" is true and even if true that's not necessarily an advantage. Time will tell. What if the majority of these DC movies aren't much better than Catwoman?True...but what if all the Marvel movies are as bad as Elektra? ;)
1st, X-Men is pretty huge. 2nd, Everybody has a right to opinion but sometimes when you state one like it's a fact you look very stupid. No movie is guaranteed mega hit, especially not Superman. Wait until it comes out. If Supes makes X-Men $$ I'll be surprised. Could be a hit, could be a flop. I don't think it'll be a mega hit, but I'm not gonna put my guarantee on that though. Batman seems to have a much better chance. I'd be really surprised if any of these break any records.Seriously, man...you are so damn wrong about Superman. That movie will have to be pretty damn bad not to make at least 250 million.

[Weadazoid]

catwoman and Elctra were equaly awful

[brainchild81]

True...but what if all the Marvel movies are as bad as Elektra? ;) Unlikely, almost impossible.

Seriously, man...you are so damn wrong about Superman. That movie will have to be pretty damn bad not to make at least 250 million.
Seriously, man...you think I am so damn wrong about Superman. We'll see who's right in about 1 year, 93 days, and 5 hours.

[CConn]

Unlikely, almost impossible.How is it that it's possible for DC's movies to be as bad as CINO, but impossible for Marvel's to be as bad as Elektra? :confused:
Seriously, man...you think I am so damn wrong about Superman. We'll see who's right in about 1 year, 93 days, and 5 hours.I don't think, I know. :)

[brainchild81]

How is it that it's possible for DC's movies to be as bad as CINO, but impossible for Marvel's to be as bad as Elektra?:confused: I did say almost impossible didn't I?

[CConn]

I did say almost impossible didn't I?So there's just as much chance all the DC movies will be bad as there is all the Marvel movies will be bad?

[brainchild81]

Technically yes. What was the last good DC movie in your opinion?

[CConn]

Technically yes. What was the last good DC movie in your opinion?Batman Returns was the last great DC moive...

[brainchild81]

I said "good"

[CConn]

Still; BR.

[HighVoltage]

Batman Returns was the last great DC moive...

It´s good to see this;

Because Constantine Movie Is Not a Dc Movie.:D

And Hellblazer Adaptation(a.k.a Constantine)is a Bad Movie.:down

[CConn]

It´s good to see this;

Because Constantine Movie Is Not a Dc Movie.:D

And Hellblazer Adaptation(a.k.a Constantine)is a Bad Movie.:downTell me, do you have the ability to speak english? :)

[brainchild81]

Still; BR.
OK. Now given the films DC & Marvel have made since then would you say the odds are more w/DC making more Catwoman style-crap or Marvel making more Elektra-stlye crap?

[CConn]

OK. Now given the films DC & Marvel have made since then would you say the odds are more w/DC making more Catwoman style-crap or Marvel making more Elektra-stlye crap?
Well, see the thing is, DC's made Batman 4 and Superman 4 and Marvel's yet to make any "4" movies, you have to eliminate them from the equation.

So, lets break it down...

Great comic book movies (in order of release):
Superman: The Movie - DC
Superman 2 - DC
Batman - DC
Batman Returns - DC
Blade - Marvel
X-Men - Marvel
X2 - Marvel
Spider-Man - Marvel
Spider-Man 2 - Marvel

Good/average comic book movies:
Batman Forever - DC
Blade 2 - Marvel
Hulk - Marvel
Daredevil - Marvel
The Punisher - Marvel
Constantine - DC

Bad/horrible comic book movies:
Superman III - DC
Catwoman - DC
Blade: Trinity - Marvel
Elektra - Marvel

So, that adds up to...
4 (50%) Great for DC - 5 (45%) Great for Marvel
2 (25%) Average for DC - 4 (36%) Average for Marvel
2 (25%) Bad for DC - 2 (19%) Bad for Marvel

So that means, DC has a slightly higher chance of being both horrible or great, and Marvel has a better chance of being average.

[brainchild81]

Batman & Robin and Steel were'nt horrible to you?

[CConn]

Batman & Robin and Steel were'nt horrible to you?Please read my whole post before you comment, I already said, for B&R:Well, see the thing is, DC's made Batman 4 and Superman 4 and Marvel's yet to make any "4" movies, you have to eliminate them from the equation.

As for Steel, I forgot that was a DC property, so, adding that in, yes, DC does have a higher chance of making a bad movie, but it has a near equal chance of making a great one.

[brainchild81]

Please read my whole post before you comment, I already said, for B&R:You didn't call it B&R. I don't usually hear people call it Batman 4. Simple misunderstanding

As for Steel, I forgot that was a DC property, so, adding that in, yes, DC does have a higher chance of making a bad movie, but it has a near equal chance of making a great one. Agreed

[CConn]

You didn't call it B&R. I don't usually hear people call it Batman 4. Simple misunderstandingAh, alright. Sorry about that.

[brainchild81]

Let's agree to make sure we don't get banned. @least until after Superman comes out.

[CConn]

Heh...I won't if you won't. :D

[Excel]

people can argue as much as they want but the bottom line this: dcs BATMAN 05/SUPERMAN 06 1-2 punch beats the hell outta fantastic four 05/x3 06, or any marvel plan for that matter.

[brainchild81]

Sounds like fanboy talk to me.:D Be smart. Wait and see.

[Excel]

SO X Men is just an average sized franchise? Considering x2 made quite a bit more then the origional I don't think you can call it of average size, X Men is set to realy break out with X3 and the way I see it the numbers will only continue to climb. Considering X2 broke the 200 Million mark on state side box office, i don't think it can be considered of only average size.

Compared to spiderman-yes, x1 made 175 million. good but not great. x2 made 210. pretty good but not great.x3 lost the biggest thing their franchise had going for it in bryan singer and is being rushed. i hardly see it as a break out.
Xmen is average sized FRANCHISE. Franchies are a series of mvies that are all hits, generll 175 million-225 million. an example of an above average franchise is shrek or spiderman. I see Batman and Superman as above average franchises.

[/QUOTE]FF looks great from the show west trailer I am now realy realy into the idea of seeing this movie, I still have a wait and see attitude with batman, and while I will see it, I am not sure how critics and the general movie going audience will react. There are going to be instant comparison to Burtons films, and realy it is how the audience racts, after all Batman Forever got realy strong reviews, saying Shumaker exposed more of Batmans roots more so then Burton did in two films, and while opeing day numbers were huge they quickly dwindles cause fans and movie goers just did not see it that way.[/QUOTE]

Having read the script for both batman and fantastic four, ill say batman blows the fantastic four outta the water on every level-characters, drama, action. well, maybe not number-of-jokes. Batman begins also has a much better cast and crew, so ill go out ona limb and say that Batman begins will open to Spider-man type reviews because something major would of had to go HORRIBLY wrong, and wevbe seen no sign of it. an example of something major-Bale sucks at batman. it wont happen, but obviously it could. I predict the audience will love this new batman. Hes more humanized like spiderman, but even more so because we know how hard hes worked to become batman and you really want to see him succeed.

[/QUOTE]BB needs to hit people hard wih the final trailer, and in all honesty from what I have sen so far FF has out paced them with the finalized trailer.[/QUOTE]
Fyi, the fantastic fours trailer isnt very hard to beat. It suffers hulk syndrome. hulk first theatrical trailer showed almost all action, which at first looked cool. but then people figured out that its all fromthe same scene. fantastic cour only has two action scenes win the whole movie and only one with them fighting in their costumes. It promises a ton of action but believe me, theres a lot more comedy then action, but its the opposite inthe trailer. therefore hulk showed action but had more drama. four shows action has more comedy.


[/QUOTE]Superman could be great, then again they will see competion from X3, and I just don't know if Superman can be all that interesting in a returning role with no supevillain to fight Superman.[/QUOTE]

The superman story angle is great. Its perfectly fits the whole "return to the big screen" that supermans doing, and its opens a month after x3. Money wise just about anyone who knows anything about movies and these two movies in particular will tell that gross wise, superman will crush x3. probably get double any money it makes domesticaly and internationaly.


[/QUOTE]On one hand you are going to have x3 with a returning Magneto and god knows what else (sentinals, Dark Phoenix) as protagonist, and on the other hadn an all powerful superhero in Superman faceing the very smart, and politlcly powerful Lex Luthor. What kind of flashy eye candy is Lex going to provide? [/QUOTE]

with a two hundered ,million austrailian budget (equivalant to 220 million u.s. budget, from what i read), i think its safe to assume itll have some kind of flash, dont you?

[redlion2]

Compared to spiderman-yes, x1 made 175 million. good but not great. x2 made 210. pretty good but not great.x3 lost the biggest thing their franchise had going for it in bryan singer and is being rushed. i hardly see it as a break out.
Xmen is average sized FRANCHISE. Franchies are a series of mvies that are all hits, generll 175 million-225 million. an example of an above average franchise is shrek or spiderman. I see Batman and Superman as above average franchises.


The problem with your analisys is the fact that studio heads never look at what is considered a successful franchise from your POV. The bottom line for them is if the film makes a positive profit. If we were to use your definition and go strictly by dollar amount, then Batman and Superman couldn't be considered above average franchises. Here's why. According to Box Office Mojo figures, taking into account adjusted inflation numbers:
1.Spider-man $434,279,700
2.Spider-man2 $373,585,800
3.Batman $393,466,400
4.Superman $358,488,300
The only comics company that has a legit above average franchise would be Marvel. The only D.C. movies that made it into the top 100 all time are the origin movies for both characters and nothing else. You consider Batman and Superman above average franchises. That's fine. That's your opinion. I don't. Superman had two movies within the series that were considered good and two that were considered sub-par. 50% good and 50% sub-par. That's just an average series. The same thing can be said about Batman.

Having read the script for both batman and fantastic four, ill say batman blows the fantastic four outta the water on every level-characters, drama, action. well, maybe not number-of-jokes. Batman begins also has a much better cast and crew, so ill go out ona limb and say that Batman begins will open to Spider-man type reviews because something major would of had to go HORRIBLY wrong, and wevbe seen no sign of it. an example of something major-Bale sucks at batman. it wont happen, but obviously it could. I predict the audience will love this new batman. Hes more humanized like spiderman, but even more so because we know how hard hes worked to become batman and you really want to see him succeed.


That's good that you have a high opinion of BB, my opinion of FF is just as high. All we have is our opinions.

Fyi, the fantastic fours trailer isnt very hard to beat. It suffers hulk syndrome. hulk first theatrical trailer showed almost all action, which at first looked cool. but then people figured out that its all fromthe same scene. fantastic cour only has two action scenes win the whole movie and only one with them fighting in their costumes. It promises a ton of action but believe me, theres a lot more comedy then action, but its the opposite inthe trailer. therefore hulk showed action but had more drama. four shows action has more comedy.


Hulk syndrome, that's funny. I like that, but the same thing can be said about BB. Just like Hulk, BB is going to be dark and moody. Batman doesn't show up until late in the film. There will be more Bruce Wayne than Batman. Batman will have too much drama and be boring. See how easy it is to make any movie sound like it has Hulk syndrome?

The superman story angle is great. Its perfectly fits the whole "return to the big screen" that supermans doing, and its opens a month after x3. Money wise just about anyone who knows anything about movies and these two movies in particular will tell that gross wise, superman will crush x3. probably get double any money it makes domesticaly and internationaly.


Why don't we all just wait and see before we declare Supes the winner, okay? There's a saying about counting one's chickens before they hatch that comes to mind.

[Kmack]

*chews on popcorn*

This is getting good.

[Weadazoid]

The problem with your analisys is the fact that studio heads never look at what is considered a successful franchise from your POV. The bottom line for them is if the film makes a positive profit. If we were to use your definition and go strictly by dollar amount, then Batman and Superman couldn't be considered above average franchises. Here's why. According to Box Office Mojo figures, taking into account adjusted inflation numbers:
1.Spider-man $434,279,700
2.Spider-man2 $373,585,800
3.Batman $393,466,400
4.Superman $358,488,300
The only comics company that has a legit above average franchise would be Marvel. The only D.C. movies that made it into the top 100 all time are the origin movies for both characters and nothing else. You consider Batman and Superman above average franchises. That's fine. That's your opinion. I don't. Superman had two movies within the series that were considered good and two that were considered sub-par. 50% good and 50% sub-par. That's just an average series. The same thing can be said about Batman.



That's good that you have a high opinion of BB, my opinion of FF is just as high. All we have is our opinions.



Hulk syndrome, that's funny. I like that, but the same thing can be said about BB. Just like Hulk, BB is going to be dark and moody. Batman doesn't show up until late in the film. There will be more Bruce Wayne than Batman. Batman will have too much drama and be boring. See how easy it is to make any movie sound like it has Hulk syndrome?



Why don't we all just wait and see before we declare Supes the winner, okay? There's a saying about counting one's chickens before they hatch that comes to mind.


Thank you Red lion everything you say is true.

Funny that when one realy thinks about it you are absolutley right these two mega fanchsies Superman and Batman, have both performed equaly.

I don't thinkg we will EVER see a Spiderman movie as poor in plot and acting as Superman 4 and Batman & Robiin.

These two movies are of the type and on a level of being forgotten or wished they never made. Now I am not saying Marvel doesn' have thosse blunders as well, but these blunders were of the lowest common denominator. The O.G. Captain America and FF and Punisher, where the comibned budget of all 3 had em 10 Million total, if that. Released straight to video all of them.

I know the Superman Budget is huge but what in the hell is it for? I don't need to see Superman battling lazers or rockets or man made weapondry, if he has any problem with anything man made he aint Superman.

Superman doesn't work acrobatic in the air like Spiderman he freaking flies, OK make him look realy cool and realy real when he flies, great, people don't come to see Spiderman wal crawls and web shoot alone in comics and in movies that would be booring as hell! They come tos ee a fight a show down. And in this day and age they aren't just going to go see a movie to see Superman really look real when he flies.

[Red Mask]

It's a pity the writers of Smallville already broke so many traditions with Spider-Man 2. Whatever Singer will do in Superman will be more of an after-effect.

[The Batman]

Batman might do near-Spider-Man type numbers. I just don't see people lined up outside to see WW, Aquaman or, Supes. They all seem kind of vanilla. I hope all the movies are good and do well, no matter what company. That way, the consumers win. More importantly, no matter who makes better movies or makes more money, I don't care because none of it is going to my favorite charity, the brainchild81 pocket fund.


You do realize that people dont give a rats ass about biased opinions?

When is someone here going to do a real estimate of how the movies will do, instead of their petty biases?

[The Batman]

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The problem with your analisys is the fact that studio heads never look at what is considered a successful franchise from your POV. The bottom line for them is if the film makes a positive profit. If we were to use your definition and go strictly by dollar amount, then Batman and Superman couldn't be considered above average franchises. Here's why. According to Box Office Mojo figures, taking into account adjusted inflation numbers:
1.Spider-man $434,279,700
2.Spider-man2 $373,585,800
3.Batman $393,466,400
4.Superman $358,488,300
The only comics company that has a legit above average franchise would be Marvel. The only D.C. movies that made it into the top 100 all time are the origin movies for both characters and nothing else. You consider Batman and Superman above average franchises. That's fine. That's your opinion. I don't. Superman had two movies within the series that were considered good and two that were considered sub-par. 50% good and 50% sub-par. That's just an average series. The same thing can be said about Batman.



That's good that you have a high opinion of BB, my opinion of FF is just as high. All we have is our opinions.



Hulk syndrome, that's funny. I like that, but the same thing can be said about BB. Just like Hulk, BB is going to be dark and moody. Batman doesn't show up until late in the film. There will be more Bruce Wayne than Batman. Batman will have too much drama and be boring. See how easy it is to make any movie sound like it has Hulk syndrome?



Why don't we all just wait and see before we declare Supes the winner, okay? There's a saying about counting one's chickens before they hatch that comes to mind..


Bias, Bias, Bias....

[The Batman]

This has gone from a "Over Excited DC Fan makes exagerated statements" thread to a "Marvel Zombies try to do damage control with their biased statements" thread

[redlion2]

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Bias, Bias, Bias....

We're all biased to some extent. We all have our favorites, our dislikes and our ambivalence. To pretend otherwise would be hypocritical.

[CConn]

This has gone from a "Over Excited DC Fan makes exagerated statements" thread to a "Marvel Zombies try to do damage control with their biased statements" threadIt has. :o

[The Batman]

And to be biased makes everyone in here unfit to decide whether or not DC has what it takes to dominate marvel.

Case closed

[CConn]

Hulk syndrome, that's funny. I like that, but the same thing can be said about BB. Just like Hulk, BB is going to be dark and moody. Batman doesn't show up until late in the film. There will be more Bruce Wayne than Batman. Batman will have too much drama and be boring. See how easy it is to make any movie sound like it has Hulk syndrome?Never ever compare BB to Hulk. That comparison is so stupid and wrong it makes my head hurt. :o

Just because they're both dark and moody does not make them similar; B89 was dark and moody, did that suffer from Hulk "syndrome"? (even though, it was released before it, I know). The truth is (and I do mean truth, not opinion), BB's script is simply better; the story's more entertaining, the dialogue is stronger, there's a lot more action, etc. It's a completely different scenario.

[redlion2]

And to be biased makes everyone in here unfit to decide whether or not DC has what it takes to dominate marvel.

Case closed

Obviously, time and fate are the only two factors that can decide the outcome of that rivalry. We're all just giving our opinions. If you're somehow too "neutral" to take this thread in the spirit in which it was started.....for fun, then why bother posting in it?

Who among us is "fit" to decide anything beyond the daily activities of our own lives? There's no cosmic game of chance here, where the "winner" of this debate decides the fate of the universe. There are no winners and losers, just people sharing their opinions. Last time I checked, that's what this site is here for.

[redlion2]

Just because they're both dark and moody does not make them similar; B89 was dark and moody, did that suffer from Hulk "syndrome"? (even though, it was released before it, I know). The truth is (and I do mean truth, not opinion), BB's script is simply better; the story's more entertaining, the dialogue is stronger, there's a lot more action, etc. It's a completely different scenario.

See, here's where you're wrong. That's still just your opinion. That's the only truth that I see here.

[brainchild81]

Obviously, time and fate are the only two factors that can decide the outcome of that rivalry. We're all just giving our opinions. If you're somehow too "neutral" to take this thread in the spirit in which it was started.....for fun, then why bother posting in it?

Who among us is "fit" to decide anything beyond the daily activities of our own lives? There's no cosmic game of chance here, where the "winner" of this debate decides the fate of the universe. There are no winners and losers, just people sharing their opinions. Last time I checked, that's what this site is here for.
Well said. Very well said.

[The Batman]

Obviously, time and fate are the only two factors that can decide the outcome of that rivalry. We're all just giving our opinions. If you're somehow too "neutral" to take this thread in the spirit in which it was started.....for fun, then why bother posting in it?

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Because I'm sharing my opinion as well.....


Thar this debate is pointless....

[CConn]

See, here's where you're wrong. That's still just your opinion. That's the only truth that I see here.Okay then...it's the opinion of me, and 95% of the people who have read the Begins script (and that's not just Batman fans, that's actual professional script reviewers). Have you read it?

[redlion2]

Because I'm sharing my opinion as well.....


Thar this debate is pointless....

So then, I guess you're as biased and "unfit" as the rest of us......

[The Batman]

I never said i wasnt....

[redlion2]

Okay then...it's the opinion of me, and 95% of the people who have read the Begins script (and that's not just Batman fans, that's actual professional script reviewers). Have you read it?

It doesn't matter if you and George W. Bush has reviewed the BB's script. It would still be just y'all's opinion of how good the script is. I can think for myself. Thank you.

[CConn]

It doesn't matter if you and George W. Bush has reviewed the BB's script. It would still be just y'all's opinion of how good the script is. I can think for myself. Thank you.That's what I asked. Have you read it?

[Paradoxium]

I dunno Darth...I think a Wonder Woman film done right could...well, do wonders for DC's case. ;)

The problem with DC/Warners is that they are afraid to take chances...they like their comfort zones. The only reason they are venturing out now is because of the widespread success of Marvel's films, and that's a fact.

Marvel has become a trendsetter in launching multiple titles simitaneously.

Warner Brothers is afraid to get wet.

It's not as influential as you think. Admittedly, it did help out but not as big as you think, mainly for Batman Begins, WB was rather anal with that property and wanted it up and done correctly before 2002 - way before the whole Spider-Man explosion. On the other hand I can say Spidey/Marvel did influence Superman/GL/Flash/Wonder Woman moreso. I think they just have more confidence in a good Batman film.

Evidently, they dumped quite a few Batman projects (The Frightening/Triumphant sequel, Batman vs. Superman, Batman Beyond, Aronofsky Year One, Joss Whedon spoke out about his pushing for a Year One as well) before officially greenlighting Begins. Nolan deserves some due credit for that - he has a strong vision and was really determined to get his project. It was shocker that a indie director like him landed something so big. I am glad he did.

[redlion2]

No, I hadn't and I prefer not to. I would like to be surprised when I go into the theater to see BB. Even if BB's script "seems" top notch to you, that still doesn't mean the movie couldn't turn out to be a disappointment. That is a possibility. Wouldn't you agree?

[CConn]

No, I hadn't and I prefer not to. I would like to be surprised when I go into the theater to see BB. Even if BB's script "seems" top notch to you, that still doesn't mean the movie couldn't turn out to be a disappointment. That is a possibility. Wouldn't you agree?Umm, no. You're trying to argue the quality of BB on nothing but hearsay. I'm sorry, but I'll take the opinions of people who have actually read it, to a guy who just thinks it "seems" like that Hulk. :o

[redlion2]

Umm, no. You're trying to argue the quality of BB on nothing but hearsay. I'm sorry, but I'll take the opinions of people who have actually read it, to a guy who just thinks it "seems" like that Hulk. :o

Uhhh no. Go back and comprehend my post. I was actually pointing out how ridiculous it is to judge the outcome of a movie based upon a very small clip of a movie and/or rumors about a movie.

The Hulk comparisons were Excel's. I used BB to point out how easy it would be to make the same comparison based upon little to no information about a movie.

[CConn]

Uhhh no. Go back and comprehend my post. I was actually pointing out how ridiculous it is to judge the outcome of a movie based upon a very small clip of a movie and/or rumors about a movie.

The Hulk comparisons were Excel's. I used BB to point out how easy it would be to make the same comparison based upon little to no information about a movie.Then why didn't you say that when I first challenged you on it. You could have ended it right there...but you didn't. Methinks you actually believe it. :o

[redlion2]

Then why didn't you say that when I first challenged you on it. You could have ended it right there...but you didn't. Methinks you actually believe it. :o

Believe what you will, but I was pointing out the flaws in Excel's debate. Yes, I could have said that when first "challenged" and it would have probably ended it but you didn't have to challenge me at all and it wouldn't have started. I was addressing Excel's points.

I thought you and I already had an understanding. You had one opinion and I had a different one.

[Kmack]

Obviously, time and fate are the only two factors that can decide the outcome of that rivalry. We're all just giving our opinions. If you're somehow too "neutral" to take this thread in the spirit in which it was started.....for fun, then why bother posting in it?

Who among us is "fit" to decide anything beyond the daily activities of our own lives? There's no cosmic game of chance here, where the "winner" of this debate decides the fate of the universe. There are no winners and losers, just people sharing their opinions. Last time I checked, that's what this site is here for.
Bravo!:up::up:

[GLREBORN]

:confused: :confused: Catwoman is helping DC get back on track?


Hardly.

[CConn]

I thought you and I already had an understanding. You had one opinion and I had a different one.So? That doesn't me we can't continue arguing for until we turn blue in the face. :D

Honestly, I'm just fed up with the whole BB/Hulk comparison. Too many people have been doing it in the Batboards...

Sorry if I took it out on you. :o

[Obsidian]

This has gone from a "Over Excited DC Fan makes exagerated statements" thread to a "Marvel Zombies try to do damage control with their biased statements" thread

I have opened Pandora's Box.:(

I have made a terrible mistake.:(

My car was almost stolen.:(

[redlion2]

So? That doesn't me we can't continue arguing for until we turn blue in the face. :D

Honestly, I'm just fed up with the whole BB/Hulk comparison. Too many people have been doing it in the Batboards...

Sorry if I took it out on you. :o

Hey CConn, we're still cool and as an FF fan I know how you feel;)

No harm done.

[MightyMouse11]

Marvel will never fall baby!
never i say never!

[MightyMouse11]

ok like every board i ever join nobody talks to me i mean its getting old

[MightyMouse11]

ok is anybody actually here cuz ive been feeling like ive been talking to my self like the whole time ive been on?

[Henry Hill]

Yes, people are here but you're last 3 posts have been stupid to say the least.

[Psycho Hulk]

Flash and Green Lantern;This is the truth,Warner/Dc Movies=Superman & Batman,sorry but no place for a Flash or Green Lantern movie,why?;you see the movie news;"Batman have a new movie","Superman have a new casting","Batman vs Superman could be a movie",Where is Justice League Movie Project?,Warner have all superfriends in same place,why Batman have a director only for him?,hey what person was the original director of THE X-MEN?,yep that Mercenary known as Bryan Singer,he was a director of a group of Superheroes,why Singer is not a director for a Justice League The Movie?,because only characters who really are important for Warner are;"The Dc Divas";Batman & Superman.Flash Movie or Green Lantern Movie are only rumours created by fans on Internet.

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Errr, the Flash movie was actually announced in a magazine. I think it was DreamWatcher or whatever the magazine is called. Ryan Reynolds (Blade:Trinity) is supposedly playing the part of the Flash. Whether the Magazines are telling lies, I dunno, but I do hope they make it.

Also, I liked the Original Flash Series...

[Psycho Hulk]

I know this isn't much of anything...but I think Marvel could have a really bright future.

If Hulk 2 sucks...I will literally smash hollywood myself. I mean, I really did like the first Hulk movie. Apart of it was my Hulk Fandom, but I enjoyed the FX and the actors. I mean, I didn't like some part of the movie and stuff, but that didn't make it a crappy movie at all. It was well put together though and they did a really good job on making the Hulk come to life, I mean come on now...it's not easy making a 12 foot green giant...walking around in broad day light. Could they have done some more fine tuning. Sure...but thats whats the sequels all about. They have the character/story set up and they have the technology...they can have so much action in this sequel, good villians and good visuals. I think Marvel should be fine with HULK 2.

I may be the only person besides a few of you in this board. But I am really looking forward to seeing the FF4 movie. I don't care if people think it looks stupid or not. I think it looks pretty cool and I can't wait to see it. From what I heard, they even spent extra money on the final battle and ending to make it even better. Thats some love right there for this movie. The actors are all pretty well known and are good actors. I wish the thing was a little bit more rockier but Hey, I can live with what I get. I see this movie to do Marvel Well...

Spider-Man 3 I know a lot of people think this movie is probably either going to be great or suck big...I still think it will surprise people and still be better then the Original Spiderman. I trust in Raimi and I believe his vision and love for the character will come together for the final product. I mean, he did a great job with Spider-Man 2...If he doesn't fix whats not broken and makes tweeks on what need them...Spider Man will be one of the best Trilogies ever...

X-men 3 I honest Don't know much about this movie. So I don't know whats exactly going on with all of this. Hell, I am not even sure it's the same director. From what I hears its someone different. I wouldn't mind seeing someone elses perspective of the film. Granted X-men and X-men 2 were fine films, but I still saw a lot of improvements that could of been made. Maybe a new director and Writer will make those happen. With out spoiling the movies/tone/chracters...

Punisher: I really was looking forward to this movie being great. But it honestly disappointed me in many ways. I just didn't always feel I was watching the punisher, I mean if I didn't see the Skull Symbol I would of been lost. It had some cool moments...but nothing that I would write home about. a new writer and director could probably save this one if they were to make a sequel.

DareDevil: Err, I may be the only loser in here who actually liked this movie. I could careless if Ben Affleck was DareDevil. I didn't even think about that while watching the movie. I enjoyed the movie. I am not a colin farrell fan, so I didn't like him to much as Bullseye..but I can't see why someone would hate this movie...Granted it had some cheesy scenes, but it was a fun flick none the less...a Sequel, I would definately go see...Just a tad bit more darker and a better casting for a villian(bullseye not KingPin)...and I am happy.

Elektra: I just watched the movie today. ( I work at BlockBuster so I can see everything in advanced before release)...and I kinda liked it too. I liked Jennifer Garner as Elektra. Story was a little weak at times and I sometimes cause myself wishing for my action. But I liked the Villlians. I only wish for more Ninja fight scenes and well, fight scenes. They were to short and simplistic for me. If they do a sequel, they should concentrate more on Her. I would love to see a darker/edgier/more violent Elektra sequel.

IMHO, I believe these movies could of all been better, even Great. For films like DareDevil and Elektra, more darker and violent tones would of served them well. It's great to have fun with the movies and scenes, but with certain characters you just need to stick to their darker stories. Make them more serious with the occasional joke. I still feel like comic movies are overly campy or cheesy in some scenes or areas. Directors and actors care to much about pleasing the world instead of sticking to whats true to the fans, story, and characters. I see a very bright future for the hopefully darker moods of Marvel(and when I mean darker, I don't mean give them black leather outfits like X-men). I just mean, more grittier. Hell, I thought Spider-Man 2 was darker then Punisher...

anyways, this is my rambling, hope I didn't lose anyone or piss anyone off...its just my thoughts.

[brainchild81]

Saw Batman Begins on Wed. Wasn't bad, but the fights were very badly shot.

[brainchild81]

Saw X3 and didn't like it. Supes may turn out to be better be better than X3 because X3 sets the bar reeeeeeeeal low.

[brainchild81]

True...but what if all the Marvel movies are as bad as Elektra? ;)
Seriously, man...you are so damn wrong about Superman. That movie will have to be pretty damn bad not to make at least 250 million.Glad to see neither of us is banned yet. Looks like I was right about Supes. Kinda looks like we both were. X-Men3(The Wolverine show 3) made me angry and Supes bored me. Not a good year for comic films so far.

[Erzengel]

Well now it looks like both Marvel and DC are losing it's edge. Marvel is essentially a one trick pony with Spider-Man and if Dark Knight is succesful that's pretty much DC's well.

[JackBauer]

Well now it looks like both Marvel and DC are losing it's edge. Marvel is essentially a one trick pony with Spider-Man and if Dark Knight is succesful that's pretty much DC's well.

I'd say Marvel is ahead by a nose. they haven't tried to make one of their biggest characters into a comedy yet. :(

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, yeah, Erzengel-because Spider-Man is the ONLY successful movie from Marvel. Even the much-lambasted FF & X3 sold well. Try another one.
And say what you will about X3; it still outsold Superman.

[KenK]

Well now it looks like both Marvel and DC are losing it's edge. Marvel is essentially a one trick pony with Spider-Man and if Dark Knight is succesful that's pretty much DC's well.

Why do people insist on ignoring Blade? To say nothing of the first two X-Men films?

Their respective third installments may have left much to be desired, but the first and second films of both franchises were great.

[Erzengel]

What else aside from Dark Knight does DC have coming out?

[Erzengel]

Oh, yeah, Erzengel-because Spider-Man is the ONLY successful movie from Marvel. Even the much-lambasted FF & X3 sold well. Try another one.
And say what you will about X3; it still outsold Superman.

Just so you know Chris Wallace. I like both Marvel and DC movies. Spider-Man 2 is my favorite actually with Batman Begins a distant second.

If you want to argue semantics with me, yes X3 did very well. But in my opinion, it's the slutty sister of X1 and X2 and I was disapointed with it. Fox with Marvel has started to turn into Slappy Studios and seem to just slap things together to get them out before the next summer. X3 seemed rushed and so does FF2 which hasn't even started to film yet.

And honestly you can't call FF a franchise yet because it has 1 movie released.

So don't go into I'm bashing Marvel, I must be a DC fan speal because honestly I'm critical about both of them.

[Erzengel]

Why do people insist on ignoring Blade? To say nothing of the first two X-Men films?

Their respective third installments may have left much to be desired, but the first and second films of both franchises were great.

Well Blade is done although you can count the TV series. I haven't watched it though. Blades 1 and 2 were really good but Blade Trinity well see my previous post about X3.

[brainchild81]

Why do people insist on ignoring Blade? To say nothing of the first two X-Men films?

Their respective third installments may have left much to be desired, but the first and second films of both franchises were great.Ditto for the most part. X-Men 1 was OK. X2 was awesome
Oh, yeah, Erzengel-because Spider-Man is the ONLY successful movie from Marvel. Even the much-lambasted FF & X3 sold well. Try another one.
And say what you will about X3; it still outsold Superman.Yeah. Arad was right when he said X3 would have a bigger audience than Supes.

[Chris Wallace]

Well Blade is done although you can count the TV series. I haven't watched it though. Blades 1 and 2 were really good but Blade Trinity well see my previous post about X3.
But you called Marvel a one-trick pony. In 28 years DC has had 16 films in wide release. 10 of those were Batman & Superman. 1 was Steel, (A comic offshoot of Superman) 1 was Supergirl, (A Superman spinoff) 2 were Swamp Thing, 1 was Constantine & the other was V For Vendetta. At least Marvel diversifies rather than just putting everything on their 2 big guns, & they have more hits than misses.

[Erzengel]

I refer to Marvel as a one trick pony only in terms of quality. I know we could argue gross til we are blue in the face but X-Men, Blade were great up until the sequels.

Yes Marvel now has more sucessful movies out and you can argue quality about many of them. DC has only 2 movies out in the past 2 years with only 1 movie in the planning stages.

[Chris Wallace]

Since the only ones I had a problem w/were Blade: Trinity & Elektra, I don't consider them a one-trick anything.
As far as DC goes, the last thing I saw from them was V For Vendetta, which I enjoyed immensely. But you'd think a production house that OWNS the comic publisher could get more varied projects out.

[Erzengel]

You really had no issue with X-3?

[Chris Wallace]

No major ones, no.
I can list a lot of major ones but nothing that just ruined my enjoyment of the movie.

[brainchild81]

X3 was crap

[Erzengel]

I think Ratner did the best that he could with what he had but turned out a very mediocre movie. Sure there were some scenes that were fun but nowhere as good as the previous two movies.

[Chris Wallace]

Besides, we don't know what's gonna happen w/"Ghost Rider", "Hulk 2", "Punisher 2" & "Iron Man".

[Erzengel]

Ghost Rider? "Maybe it's something else?" Sorry that line makes me snicker.

Hulk 2? A remake and not a sequel?

Punisher? I liked the first one actually so I am looking forward to it.

Iron Man? I'm not a fan of Iron Man but look forward to Favreau directing as long as he stays away from Tom Cruise.

[KenK]

So, you're looking forward to two Marvel films, neither of them connected to what you referred to as Marvel's "one-trick", but you want to herald them "losing their edge"? O-kay!

[Erzengel]

Well don't you need at least 2 movies before you can call it a franchise? :confused:

[Chris Wallace]

Not necessarily; as long as a follow-up is in active development.
And he didn't say anything about them being franchises.

[Erzengel]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.

[Weadazoid]

Ghost Rider? "Maybe it's something else?" Sorry that line makes me snicker.

Hulk 2? A remake and not a sequel?

Punisher? I liked the first one actually so I am looking forward to it.

Iron Man? I'm not a fan of Iron Man but look forward to Favreau directing as long as he stays away from Tom Cruise.


Hulk 2 is not a remake.... and it is not a sequal much like Superman I imagine a kind of Loose histroy will be used as an explanation.... Hulk 2 has the Hulk already out ... it is not an origin film.. there fore not a remake.

If Banna comes back well

[Chris Wallace]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.
I wasn't counting Iron Man either way; if you recall I said we DON'T KNOW what's gonna happen w/it.
I liked Punisher & I'm not even a Punisher fan. I think it would've done better at the B.O. if it hadn't had Beatrix Kiddo to compete with.

[Chris Wallace]

DC hasn't made a comeback yet, we'll see. Catwoman was a huge flop. Hopefully Batman Begins will help DC. As for Marvel, it's unfair to believe that every movie they put out will be a hit, NO studio has had consistent luck with its film properties. And Marvel has alot of great characters still to come, so let's not dog Marvel yet. Hopefully FF will be a huge hit, because you are right, if FF flops, Marvel will begin its downward spiral.
Boy was this premature. And inaccurate.

[KenK]

Alright maybe I should clarify my stance here.

First off once again, I like both Marvel and DC. In terms of quality, I feel Spider-Man is the only franchise or movie series that Marvel has up to the moment. 1 sequel with another one on the way.

In regards to Punisher 2? Well the 1st one wasn't well recieved, I liked it but all talks of a sequel are still in the planning stage.

Iron Man? Also in it's planning stage. It could be really good, it could suck. Counting it amongst the other Marvel Movies is a lil premature.

I'm just not understanding your logic; basically, the Marvel properties that have only spawned one film aren't worth mentioning? That makes no sense! You're basically talking about commercial viability. Quality is irrelevant if that's the case.

[Erzengel]

My whole "one trick pony" stance is subjective.

And the Marvel movies that spawned only one film and have no intention to have a sequel made or are in production limbo, honestly why should they be considered a commodity if they aren't going anywhere with it?

[KenK]

My whole "one trick pony" stance is subjective.

And the Marvel movies that spawned only one film and have no intention to have a sequel made or are in production limbo, honestly why should they be considered a commodity if they aren't going anywhere with it?

You're taking the stance of a Hollywood executive. You think comic fans think, "Oh, this movie didn't get a sequel, so we might as well forget it was ever made."? I don't think so.

[Erzengel]

I think we are getting our wires cross but let me add this.

Let me state again why I think Marvel is in my view a "one trick pony". Also, this is purely subjective or my view. You can agree or disagree with it.

Spider-Man - 2 movies, highly successful, loved by regular movie goers and fan alike. 3rd movie on it's way.

X-Men - 3 movies, 1 and 2 loved by fanboys and critics alike, did decent money with it. I feel the 3rd movie was barely mediocre even though it grossed more than it's previous movies. Most fans tend to agree.

Blade Movies - 3 movies, fans seem to enjoy the first 2, it but once the 3rd one came out a lot of people disappointed. All the Blade movies also don't surpass $95 million

FF - 1 movie, luke warm reviews and some disdain from longtime fans. Sequel in the works but it's being passed over because of the first movie

On many messageboards, like this one, it is the concensus that Spiderman 1, 2, X-Men 1, 2, Blade 1 and 2 are good to excellent movies.

Hulk, Daredevil, FF, X-3 are considered barely decent to average.

Blade Trinity, Punisher, Elektra are considered to be poor.

I feel that Blade, X-Men dropped the ball with their 3rd movies. FF wasn't really anything special. Honestly since Spider-Man 2, the only 2 comic book movies I was impressed with was Begins and V for Vendetta.

I understand that Marvel has Ghost Rider, FF, Iron Man waiting to be released but I think Spiderman is the only movie to consistantly deliver and the 3rd looks to be following in their footsteps.

I really hope this explains my point. :o

[brainchild81]

I wasn't counting Iron Man either way; if you recall I said we DON'T KNOW what's gonna happen w/it.
I liked Punisher & I'm not even a Punisher fan. I think it would've done better at the B.O. if it hadn't had Beatrix Kiddo to compete with.I was thinking the same thing. Saw them both on the same day and liked Punisher better. I think KB2 was pushed back for some reason if I rember right so the just happened to arrive @ the same time. Too bad for punisher. Hope the sequel is good and comes out @ a good time
I think we are getting our wires cross but let me add this.

Let me state again why I think Marvel is in my view a "one trick pony". Also, this is purely subjective or my view. You can agree or disagree with it.

Spider-Man - 2 movies, highly successful, loved by regular movie goers and fan alike. 3rd movie on it's way.

X-Men - 3 movies, 1 and 2 loved by fanboys and critics alike, did decent money with it. I feel the 3rd movie was barely mediocre even though it grossed more than it's previous movies. Most fans tend to agree.

Blade Movies - 3 movies, fans seem to enjoy the first 2, it but once the 3rd one came out a lot of people disappointed. All the Blade movies also don't surpass $95 million

FF - 1 movie, luke warm reviews and some disdain from longtime fans. Sequel in the works but it's being passed over because of the first movie

On many messageboards, like this one, it is the concensus that Spiderman 1, 2, X-Men 1, 2, Blade 1 and 2 are good to excellent movies.

Hulk, Daredevil, FF, X-3 are considered barely decent to average.

Blade Trinity, Punisher, Elektra are considered to be poor.

I feel that Blade, X-Men dropped the ball with their 3rd movies. FF wasn't really anything special. Honestly since Spider-Man 2, the only 2 comic book movies I was impressed with was Begins and V for Vendetta.

I understand that Marvel has Ghost Rider, FF, Iron Man waiting to be released but I think Spiderman is the only movie to consistantly deliver and the 3rd looks to be following in their footsteps.

I really hope this explains my point. :oGood post. Punisher was pretty good though. Blade 3 was lame. I'll watch anything w/ninjas in it, but Elektra was horrible. Begins was good, but those fights looked like they were filmed by a crackhead going "cold turkey" w/Parkinson's disease and Bale's batvoice made me laugh a few times.

[Shuley]

Marvel has had some good movies come out. DC has had more crap come out than Marvel has.

[DACrowe]

Well I think it is pretty even handed. DC has done more or bigger foul ups overall (Superman III, Superman IV, BF and X3 are both mediocre, but BF was better made, B&R was the worst superhero ever made, Catwoman was pretty close in becoming the worst superhero ever made) but Marvel has ****ed their good franchises (Elektra, Blade: Trinity, X3) and ruined good materials (FF, the Punisher, a few others).

However Marvel has Spider-Man which just hits the nail on the head and DC is pushing Batman the same way. Commerically though (for studio execs) Marvel is winning.

Past that Superman Returns has Hulk reactions and is likely to be hard pressed to get a sequel the same size. The movie itself doesn't live up to Singer's work on the X-Men. So I said and I stand by it is pretty even handed

Though I think DC won this year as V For Vendetta was quite good and Superman Returns was decent while X3 was pretty damn bad as Marvel (well more Fox) killed and ruined one of its better franchises and what was shaping to be a classic trilogy into the comic book film equivalent of the Terminator trilogy.

In the future Marvel has the Spider-Man movies (if there are anymore after 3) and Iron Man. DC seems to be relying mostly on Batman at this point and perhaps Whedon's Wonder Woman too though.

Oh well.

[brainchild81]

Haven't seen V for Vendetta yet but I want to and I've heard it's awesome. X3 AND Supes were both lousy a$$ films.

[Red Mask]

Vertigo is a safer bet than DC's costumed heroes.

[CConn]

Those will always be more mid-range budget/earners films than blockbusters, though.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think DC are winning at the moment, maybe not through box office but by quality certainly, V For Vendetta, Superman Returns and especially Batman Begins have wiped the floor with every Marvel movie since Spidey 2, which was two years ago.

[Erzengel]

I'd love to see a Flash or Wonder Woman movie. I wonder when DC would get off their asses.

[FOG3]

Word. Whats the deal with that Flash movie anyway?

[Chris Wallace]

I'd love to see a Flash or Wonder Woman movie. I wonder when DC would get off their asses.
Unlike Marvel, DC has no say in what happens with their properties in Tinseltown. It's when will WB get off their @$$es.

[Red Mask]

Unlike Marvel, DC has no say in what happens with their properties in Tinseltown. It's when will WB get off their @$$es.

Word.

[Chris Wallace]

And-in fact I think it was you who pointed this out, Red Mask. But WB isn't overly concerned about their comic book properties b/c unlike Marvel, it's not their only cash cow.

[Erzengel]

I guess in terms of grosses you are correct with X-3 but I found the last 4 Marvel Releases sorely lacking in quality. ( Blade Trinity, Elektra, FF, X3) And if Marvel is so overly concerned about their movies shouldn't they start filming FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer by now instead of slapping something together in 9-10 months?

[Chris Wallace]

I think we can consider FF & X3 more "debatable" than just outright "bad".

[Erzengel]

I'd consider them like I did Superman Returns, wasted potential.

[Chris Wallace]

Hmmm-maybe a year from now I'll be able to render a verdict on that.

[Chris Wallace]

Edit.

[Red Mask]

And-in fact I think it was you who pointed this out, Red Mask. But WB isn't overly concerned about their comic book properties b/c unlike Marvel, it's not their only cash cow.

I wasn't the only one who pointed it out. :)

But now that Marvel Entertainment is a solid entertainment group, they need to push for films that can promote their comic properties. It's all they've got. Says so in their website (over 5,000 characters).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'll say that Marvel wins in quality and boxoffice.

[The Sage]

I'll say that Marvel wins in quality and boxoffice.

At this point, I'll give boxoffice to Marvel, and quality to DC, though I am looking forward to Spider-Man 3 and see huge potential in Iron Man. So things could change and business could pick up.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

At this point, I'll give boxoffice to Marvel, and quality to DC, though I am looking forward to Spider-Man 3 and see huge potential in Iron Man. So things could change and business could pick up.I haven't seen SR but I tend to like the Marvel movies more. I'm no Marvel nut believe me, but those are the movies I like. On the other hand most DC cartoons are just awsome masterpieces that I can't stop watching. Batman Begins is my favorite DC movie and I don't really love that one. (Give it a 8/10) It's a very well made good film but the second half is where it kinda petters out for me. The first half is like a 9/10 though.

[brainchild81]

I think DC are winning at the moment, maybe not through box office but by quality certainly, V For Vendetta, Superman Returns and especially Batman Begins have wiped the floor with every Marvel movie since Spidey 2, which was two years ago.Supes Returns was lame. What Marvel movies came out in the last 2 years

[Chris Wallace]

Blade Trinity (December 2004), Elektra (January 2005), Fantastic 4 (July 2005), X3 (May 2006).

[XCharlieX]

Supes Returns was lame.

Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.

[Darthphere]

Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.


So DC is making movies solely for critics now? C'mon now...

[XCharlieX]

So DC is making movies solely for critics now? C'mon now...

So the only people who like a films film are critics? I dont think so ;) Theres plenty of folks out there who have the more sculpted view on how films should be... they are pleasing this group. Thats a strong comeback, especially for a movie of this sort. Begins, Superman Returns, V For Vendetta.

In fact thats the most sure bet no holds barred way to go about making a film for dc at this point... theyre vicious these days and Marvel needs to watch out ;) I love both but.. damn... dc learned its lesson :up:

[The Joker]

I think the Green Lantern script alone has set DC back 5 years as far as credibility goes.

[XCharlieX]

The future is theirs to lose.

[Chris Wallace]

First of all, can we stop giving DC the credit or the blame for their movies? Again, it's all WB's doing. And quite frankly, since Superman Returns couldn't make me pull out my $8.50 to see it, I have to go w/the one who's most consistently entertained me.

[Chris Wallace]

Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.
This statement makes no sense. A studio makes a movie neither for "fanboys" NOR for critics. (And again, DC doesn't make movies at all.) They make movies for the general moveigoing public. To make money. And until a DC/WB movie pulls down more money than Marvel's big moneymakers, all of these arguments are moot. There is no war & if there were, Marvel would be in the lead simply because they're putting more @$$es in seats, regardless of the individual opinions of a few anonymous people on the internet.
And what do you mean "they're running out of main iconic franchises"? Even if that WERE true, they've got plenty of second-stringers that can do well in Tinseltown & apart from that, THEY ARE USING THEM. Which is more than I can say for WB. Where's the animated DC movie that has nothing to do w/Batman or Superman? Where's the TV series that has nothing to do w/Batman or Superman? How many movies have they had in the last 28 years that didn't pertain to Batman or Superman?

[XCharlieX]

This statement makes no sense.
Gotta love this board sometimes.

Another raw debate.. very well. Seems to be an interesting past time on the board....

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They make movies for the general moveigoing public. To make money. And until a DC/WB movie pulls down more money than Marvel's big moneymakers, all of these arguments are moot. There is no war & if there were, Marvel would be in the lead simply because they're putting more @$$es in seats, regardless of the individual opinions of a few anonymous people on the internet.

Ah yes. The money argument. Its not like i actually never heard of the other side of the argument to make a pov. Thats exactly how I do it lol There have been people to argue this before, and yes while from a business perspective its priority to make money, I dont define success that way always. Sure Marvel has been running amock for a while since 00 or such, but the quality of films they are spitting out is often a rollercoaster if they were statistics of quality, not money. What do I define as quality? Something made for the art, not just to make a blockbuster that will get asses in seats. In 03 they may have made the horrific catwoman, but recently i cant help but notice they have taken a very serious mindset particularly with their main 2 franchises and have made FILMS. Does it make more money than perhaps X3 and Spiderman, Fantastic 4? Perhaps not, so sue them they wont win a peoples choice award. IMO who cares. Theyre keeping a very strong grasp on what defines a film and are coming out swinging in this manner recently. What do I define as more powerful? This always. Hands down. Money can sometimes be a shallow way to signify victory. So while a movie company may be out for money of course, a film maker or such would want to make the best film possible, and this pov rest assured is not held by a bunch of people just online. Its much more important than that, its about quality first. In this view, DC is acting like Bruce Lee right now.


And what do you mean "they're running out of main iconic franchises"? Even if that WERE true, they've got plenty of second-stringers that can do well in Tinseltown & apart from that, THEY ARE USING THEM. How many movies have they had in the last 28 years that didn't pertain to Batman or Superman?

They ARE running out of main iconic franchises. The point is, their flagship sagas are on their way out: X-Men has run its course ending with a film with some flaws as a finale and the spinoffs arent guaranteed to be any good but could be, Spiderman is reaching 3 which means its becoming a senior and who knows how long its quality will last beyond that. The backups? Hulk... the remake may be a success so theres a possibility, and the rest of its miscellaneous and not as well known characters. Captain America, Cage, Iron Man etc... theres no doubt if a good amount of these are good marvel can keep afloat when it comes to what a higher minded person sees as success. If theyre not, then theres a good chance if the existing directors stay on course for DC, the 2 main sagas paired with the ocasional backups like V for Vendetta etc can win them the future of QUALITY overall, and Batman and Superman will stomp the quality of Marvel, Also DC has 2 measly ones sure, but HUUGE icons that can tower over these if they are shallow etc.

Of course there is no real competition, however this IS a thread of comparison and there are some noteworthy ones, and this is whats being mentioned here, not a real war of comic companies.

And im well aware of DC not directly making films, WB has been entrusted to do such, but WB in turn have entrusted the correct people it looks like.

"WA-CHAAA!!!" *kick lol