Ultimate Fantastic Four Discussion

[Zaptoitnow]

Well, this board is pretty slow, but I figure that this way we can at least keep one thread up there so we can keep the Ultimate discussion together. Hey, it worked great in the Spidey forum!

SPOILERS FOR #16

Anyways, just read UFF #16, thought it was pretty well done. I like that they did something with the skin cells that they mentioned earlier in the arc. I also liked that they are balancing out Reed's big brain with Ben's logic and reasoning. I really liked the talk last issue where Ben rationalizes that maybe the guys left at the end of chaos and destruction wouldn't be the nice fluffy guys afterall, and here Reed sees that Ben was spot on. I can't wait to see how they fix Johnny, and what effect it has on his powers, or how Reed and Ben escape there little problem. I figure that if Reed wanted to he could just stretch his chest out through the opening and form a seal over Ben and his faceplates.

[CaptainStacy]

I liked Ben's reasoning as well. Definitely some good dialogue between him and Reed through out the entire N Zone arc, particularly the previous issue about the inhabitants...

[Ant-Man]

I liked it fairly well. The little rant Reed gave on the second visit to Nihil was sweet! (I made it my sig and all). I like the creepy feeling this arc has to it. Very alien-esque. The one thing that did bother me though was the implication that Reed would rather stay and do science, than race home to get help for Johnny. That was cold!

[Zaptoitnow]

I don't know, as soon as Sue says that it's his powers that are killing him, Reed seems to snap out of it and gets set on going immediately. I think it shows that Reed still feels guilty and responsible for all of this.

[Ant-Man]

I don't know, as soon as Sue says that it's his powers that are killing him, Reed seems to snap out of it and gets set on going immediately. I think it shows that Reed still feels guilty and responsible for all of this.

Yea, he did, guess I didn't really notice, kinda read it quickly.

[Caliber]

Whats up with Ult Annihilis? What is he exactly?

[TheS4ndman]

It's like everywhere I go there's another Vic Van Damme, another Mole Man. They're all the frickin' same. The universe is this fantastic place, full of ideas and, you know, cool stuff. And everyone else seems to think it's somewhere to setup their frickin' butt-hat franchise.

-Ultimate Reed Richards



cant imagine 616 reed saying that......

[Emerald Knight]

because this ISN'T the 616 universe.

[TheS4ndman]

thats a good awnser i think.....

[Emerald Knight]

Well, what about UFF don't you like? It's supposed to be different.

[TheS4ndman]

i like the uff but they make doom a freaking spaz thts a good a reason enough

[Emerald Knight]

:up: I think that this is an intriguing take with the character of Doom. Granted, this is only one person's opinion. Yeah, I can see why some would be upset the drastic changes: the "armor," the powers, etc. I don't think that he's so much a "spaz," as he actually thinks of himself to be perfect. In his flashbacks we saw how he was raised. He was beaten to "perfection" by his father. He could never be wrong, in his mind. If anything went wrong, it was somebody else's fault, it couldn't be him: Victor was "perfect." That kind of characterization intrigues me. Technically, Van Damme (I too hope he changes his name, it'd be kinda renouncing his humanity, I think, which could be pretty cool) is part of a destroyed royal lineage, but not many know that (in the Ultimate Universe).

I think that this is FF year one: The characters, yes even Doom, are considerably younger than when Stan wrote them out. With Doom's background (in this story) it's kind of cool. He considers himself perfect. For him to be wrong, would bring pain. He can't feel the pain when he's wrong, so in his mind, he's always right. I really hope that the preceding sentence made any sense. He also knows how to draw a crowd, either with tools or without. Yes, he's not the tyrant we all know and love, but just because something hasn't happened yet, does not necessarily mean that it won't. He's still young. He'll hopefully find the tricks of the trade as a true ruler. We only saw a glimpse of things to come. Things can only (and hopefully) get better from here.

But, hey. To each their own. :) :cool: :up:

[TheS4ndman]

yea i thought of that too but i guess i just took dooms defeat to seriously...but the fact he cannot accept that he is not perfect makes him weak:doom:

[Ant-Man]

because this ISN'T the 616 universe.

Some people are never going to get that. Trust me!

Personally I would be really dissapointed if the Ultimate universe characters were simply cardboard cutouts of their 616 counterparts. The Ultimate Marvel Unviverse is supposed to be different. They made it that way!

[Caliber]

Some people are never going to get that. Trust me!

Personally I would be really dissapointed if the Ultimate universe characters were simply cardboard cutouts of their 616 counterparts. The Ultimate Marvel Unviverse is supposed to be different. They made it that way!

Exactly but its a way to the crap out of the marvel u and make it better.

[Zaptoitnow]

One thing people need to realize is that Ultimate Doom also has plenty of room to grow. Now instead of being introduced to this evil genious that has his empire, we get a chance to see the development behind it. That's a strong point of the Ultimate universe if you ask me, the fact that now all the charecters that are introduced are more thought out and fleshed out than the 616 charecters usually were upon introduction.

[Emerald Knight]

That's how I think of this. It's FF (and Doom) Year One. We get to SEE Doom make his mark as a ruler in the making.

[Zaptoitnow]

Which is the real strength of the Ultimate Universe. Now writers that want to add some big developmental aspect to some charecter can so so without having to retcon it in. They just introduce the charecter with these aspects to begin with.

[Ratcrawler]

Hey, considering Ultimate Reed has no organs, does he need to breathe?

[Zaptoitnow]

I wouldnt imagine that Reed would have designed the suits the way he did if he and Ben didn't need to breath. I can't imagine him not Having tested it either. Just because he doesn't have internal organs doesn't mean his body has found a new way to absorb oxygen. But then again, who really knows.

[Lord Valumart]

well, i think he only designed the suits be cause it was an alien place, and there might not be oxygen, just as a safety thing.

he still doesn't know what he can/cannot do.

[KingOfDreams]

Issue #16 is good. In fact, it's the only Ultimate book that I've ever bought, much less liked. That just goes to show that it's almost impossible to **** up an FF book. But saying that, the main reason I bought the issue was because of Ultimate Innihilus. He looks really cool and I like his characterization. I probably won't be following the series after the next couple issue unless something equally cool comes along. The previous Ultimate FF issues didn't really grab me either, not that they were technically bad or anything.

[Zaptoitnow]

Waiting for #16 to hit on wednesday, interested to see how Reed and Ben work their way out of this.

Besides this, what figures from 616 FF do you want to see? I can't wait till the team finnaly goes public, and the kids are allowed some contact with the outside world. I want to see the Ultimate Yancy Street gang, lol. Would love to see Alicia, and maybe even Namor, if he could be done well.

[<Mr.Spider>]

the n-zone arc has to be my fav right know for the UFF ,Doom comes in second ,as mentoned above...the whole reed and ben talk was the most interesting thing in the book,,,,,it leaves you thinking but I can't wait to pik up the next issue tommorrow

[Zaptoitnow]

Got #17 today, great issue. It has a good scene with Ben fighting basically everyone, as well as some decent lines between him and Reed. I really like the dialogue that those two can get into, it really feels like they are friends and like Reed enjoys teaching Ben whatever he can. I also love that Ben gets to vent finally.

[Ant-Man]

That was sweet. Ben OWNED in this issue. I really like the Ultimate version of Annilus, he is very creepy. And the chase scene was awesome!

[Ratcrawler]

For the record, I know zilch about 616 Annihilus, but if he's anything as awesome as his ultimate counterpart, I'd like to know more.

[mre]

It's like everywhere I go there's another Vic Van Damme, another Mole Man. They're all the frickin' same. The universe is this fantastic place, full of ideas and, you know, cool stuff. And everyone else seems to think it's somewhere to setup their frickin' butt-hat franchise.

-Ultimate Reed Richards



cant imagine 616 reed saying that......

Alright, I knew they made the characters younger, but reading this knowing it came from Reed shocks me... I know it's a different version but... Why even make Reed young in the first place?
Can I ask how they got these powers? Because they definatly were not on a mission out to space. I don't think NASA would be too happy about a bunch of kids going out to space. Is "Van Damme" a young kid as well??? (By the way, I think the design of Ultimate Dr Doom is terrible, but thats a different topic.)

[Lord Valumart]

they got their powers via an N-zone experement that went wrong, Reed discovered the N-zone when he was just a kid, 13 or some thing, got drafted by the "Think Tank" thingy, built a big N-zone thing so he could send things in to it, Ben turned up, they watched, Van Damme changed the positioning codes, acident=powers.

"Doom" is also a young kid, about the same age as Reed, he also got transformed by the N-zone acident.

[Zaptoitnow]

I think the updated orgin was done very well though. Doom thinking his calculations were right and Reed's wrong was what destroyed Doom. The same kind of event giving the FF it's powers. I actually think they did a very good job coming up with a new orgin that nods to the old one in so many ways.

[Saph]

I'd like to mention Reed is 21 in the Ultimate Universe. A kid he is not.

[Lord Valumart]

well, he's probably 22-23, if you beleive that the 3 arcs have happened over several months, since it would take a while to construct all the stuff they've used in them, that ship alone could have taken atleast 5 weeks.

[Zaptoitnow]

Well, many people got their wish today, the Ultimate F4 are now in the public eye. I loved it when Reed tossed General Ross the gun and he went all happy on him, lol. Had me cracking up. I also really like Johnny's charecter in this book.

[Lord Valumart]

DAMN mail ordering!!!!

[Lady Stormcrow]

DAMN mail ordering!!!!

And damn the fact that the only comic book shop any where near me gets them several days after they are supposed to come out!!! (Though I did get the graphic novel of Knights: 4, 'wolf at the door' and it was, yes, fantastic!. :up:

[Lord Valumart]

And damn the fact that the only comic book shop any where near me gets them several days after they are supposed to come out!!! (Though I did get the graphic novel of Knights: 4, 'wolf at the door' and it was, yes, fantastic!. :up:
are you by any chance near Carlisle?

[Orko Is King]

I hope they get the :ff:s on their uniforms now.

[Caliber]

I hope they get the :ff:s on their uniforms now.

I like their costumes without the four. Its different.

[Lady Stormcrow]

are you by any chance near Carlisle?
Nope. Im from Wolverhampton.

[Lord Valumart]

what....oh right, sorry, i've just relised i've used a personal joke there, no one will understand.

[Lady Stormcrow]

what....oh right, sorry, i've just relised i've used a personal joke there, no one will understand.

I can pretend to understand :
hahahahaha, that was a good joke.
feel better? I knew you would.

[Ratcrawler]

I loved Nihil's demise in the last ish.

[Lord Valumart]

he blew his brains out, now he can't come back:(

leaves room for DOOM!!!

[SuperStead]

So when is Millar/Land taking over the book and how long will they be on it, anyone know?

[R_Hythlodeus]

Millar and Land are taking over in July (issue 21) for at least 3 issues

[DareDemon]

he blew his brains out, now he can't come back:(

leaves room for DOOM!!!

How did he get his brains blown out?

[Dr Doom]

He wouldnt shut up, so Reed grabbed a weapon off the ground and shoved it in Nihil's mouth. Then Nihil tried to take it out by the trigger.



-Doom :doom:

[DareDemon]

ha...nice

[Lady Stormcrow]

He wouldnt shut up, so Reed grabbed a weapon off the ground and shoved it in Nihil's mouth. Then Nihil tried to take it out by the trigger.



-Doom :doom:

That bit made me laugh. Reed just says 'No you stupid jerk, dont pull it out by the trigger'
Cant wait for the next issue.

[Regent77]

I doubt that's it for annihilus.

The 616 incarnation has returned from much worse.

Pretty sure the ultimate one has just as many lives.

[Lord Valumart]

brains, blowen out, the body would then probably be taken away and cut up to see what makes(made) him tick, then be incinerated, thats what we do with aliens.

[Lady Stormcrow]

brains, blowen out, the body would then probably be taken away and cut up to see what makes(made) him tick, then be incinerated, thats what we do with aliens.

Do we? aha! I believe you may be a government official, who has now leaked secret information onto the web.
That we have annihlus!
Yeah, he probably will be back, he is just too indestructable. He'll probably have two wings agin too.

[Lord Valumart]

but we do, and you CAN build a neuclear power satation using smoke alarms.

[Lady Stormcrow]

but we do, and you CAN build a neuclear power satation using smoke alarms.

Really? And in which bunker is the eco (and I mean economy) friendly electric car hidden in?

[Lord Valumart]

er...we haven't made it, but we do have a timemachine, and no it is neither a phonebooth, car or police call box, or platform.

it's a simple toilet cubicle.

[Zaptoitnow]

I doubt they bring Anihilus back. His death seemed about as clear cut as it can be. I just can't think of any way for him to return, and frankly, he was only ok to begin with.

[Ant-Man]

Splash page from Mark Millars upcoming crossover from Wizard Magazine.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/t_leon/FF%20Comics/wizff2008.jpg

Pretty nice job by Land.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Whoa, whered you find that? And can you tell me what it says, or make it bigger so I can read it please?

[Lord Valumart]

616 Reed looks like hes just been slaped on the cheek for suggesting something naugty to sue

[Lady Stormcrow]

lol! That picture makes 616 Reed look younger than his Ultimate counterpart.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh the grey looks out of place.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Nah, Nothing of Reeds can ever look outt've place :p

[Lord Valumart]

what about the stupid atitude of Ult Reed??

[Lady Stormcrow]

Perhaps. Especially in the last issue where he kept calling Annihlus 'Stupid Jerk'. Though I did like it when he said 'I cant believe the engines are still firing after I shot them'

[Lord Valumart]

they were made by Stark, what do you expect.

he could do to mature more, or be more kid like, he shifts to much around at the moment.

hes what 24? he should be sitting at home, unemployed playing X-box, but no, he has to destroy universes, ruin peoples lives and act like a fool.

[Lady Stormcrow]

he could do to mature more, or be more kid like, he shifts to much around at the moment.

hes what 24? he should be sitting at home, unemployed playing X-box, but no, he has to destroy universes, ruin peoples lives and act like a fool.

I agree with the shifting remark, but most of the unfortunate events on that list were accidents. Could've happened to any super-smart kid who works on a multi million dollar project and gets his friends and loved ones turned into freaks.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, but he should have a set personality, the Doom arc had him with the best peronality. pick it if you can.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I sadly missed the Doom arc, Im hoping to pick up the trade paperback of it.

[Lord Valumart]

your comic shop not stock back issues?

if not, its out soon in UK format TPB so no import costs, plus it should only be something like £8.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Whu-hey! Thanks for the good news! I've been looking for the Doom arc for ages!! No, the only comic book store near me is a Forbidden Planet, and they dont stock old issues, grrr. I wish there was an independant seller near me.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh it should be out UK sooon, part one is out now, incase you didn't know.

about the independent thing, try yell.com, under comic and magazine section, you may find one there

[Lady Stormcrow]

You know, I never thought about looking throught the ol' yellow pages, or the online one. (Despite the fact the adverts on tv are very funny) Thanks.

[Lord Valumart]

hey, James is good in them ad's.

"the IT man cometh"

"get outa here, or i'll give you another haircut"

but you must be Blonde not to think of checking them, sorry had to be said.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Grr. Amazingly, im not blonde! I am crummy brown, but my mum wants me to dye it blonde (yeah, like im going to dye it blonde) I do want purple hair, but thats not allowed.

'Life is good, life is fine, cos ive got a girl and no one likes yoooou.'

[Lord Valumart]

don't dye you hair, it messes it up in the long run, beleive me.

plus brown hair is nicer than blonde, IMO, but thats just me.

OH, if you can't find a shop on Yell.com try other ones, like Thompsomlocal, and the master list, theres a link some where for it, i'll look for you.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Oo thank you very much.

I had a look on Yell, no luck. Oh well, Ill probably just stick with Forbidden Planet.

[Lord Valumart]

don't FP charge like 2 times the price?

i never use FP for comics, i always use it for figs and such. but i only get there like 5 times a year. if i see a comic i think will be good, i'll go to my local comic shop the next day, ah, the wonders of non large chain comic shops.

and your welcome.

[Lady Stormcrow]

FP are horribly expensive, but I dont have an alternative. Its that, or start buying magazines like 'shout' 'OK' and *shudders* 'Hello'.

[Lord Valumart]

dear god no!!!

don't that, you'll ruin everything in you that made you buy comics and sign on to these borads!!!!!

we should burn every copy of those mags.

[Lady Stormcrow]

They are so similar, I wouldnt be surprised if they are all made by the same company, in the same factory. So It'll be easy, just put a spanner in the works. mwa hahaahaha. Now the people of britain will not know when Jordan has her next boob job etc.

[Lord Valumart]

no one cares about Jordan, or the midget shes marrying, he got lost in her breats once, or "how Jade got back on top" or "why Angelina Jolie likes Pepsi":confused:who needs to know that?

[Lady Stormcrow]

It is extremely annoying. This is why more people should read comic books, something new every week. And they can be educational (Im sure to learn more about literacy from a comic then an article about Jade and how 'She is like sooo hot right now, whateva '.)
(The Xmen film actually helped me in a test I did some years ago. I just remembered magneto saying 'A bolt of lightning into a huge copper conductor.' Once again proving that you can learn things from comic-lore.)

[Lord Valumart]

comics have helped me through so many tests, more notably imaginative writing, just think of a story that fits the question, then turn it in to something humorous, and then fail tha paper.....

well, when i had this batman reading paper about the movie i answered the entire thing really sarcasticly and passed!!!! i love the fact that most of the other people failed:D

[Lady Stormcrow]

Wait, one of your tests was on the Batman film??
(or did I read that wrong)
And I am also guilty of putting a scynical twist on my tests. On the last one I spent a paragraph complaining about the governments targets, and I had been asked to write a letter about uniform in schools! mwa haha. Though after I learnt that it isnt a good idea to cheek the boss of the guy marking the test. (oops)

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, the first batman movie, it had an extrac from a review or some thing, the questions were allabout how the Joker uses humor and to name an example from the text and so on and so forth....

but i once spend 3 paragraphs on complaining that ties were evil things when i was writing an essay on some thing or other.

the worst i've done is...challenging my teaqcher to watch Reservoir Dogs, Python movies, Die Hard and the Ussual Suspects to try to find thre faults with them all, they replyed by putting a * next to the paragraph and saying that it was a stupid thing to write and that the paper could have been more constructive.

i say balls to them.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Yeah! *punches the air in defiance of 'the man'*

[Lord Valumart]

the woman English teacher that i'm related to, actualy:rolleyes:

[Lady Stormcrow]

erm...

tell her...
well done teaching is a tough proffession with pupil defiance everywhere
*runs for the hills*

[Lord Valumart]

yeh did you hear aout the 15 year old who raped his teacher?

WTF???

[Lady Stormcrow]

really? eeeeeewww.

Its so sad when people want to hurt other people like that.

In fact thats another reason more people should read comics. They spread a message of justice etc, so I bet if more people read them, it would decrease the yob culture that's growing.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, it's true.

but people should read comics, then firemen could do their job, with out being pwlted with rocks.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Yeah. Oh, I cant wait for the next UFF, but I think in the last one, the new artist made the thing kinda look like he was made outt've cake.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, some peopel go over board with the Thing and thw rock skin, they should keep it simple, large rocks mostly and smaller rocks only on the face and arms.

[Lady Stormcrow]

yeah, you really shouldnt mess with a classic look unless you really know what you're doing.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, some people just go mad with tiny, really tiny, bits of rocky skin.

[Lady Stormcrow]

yeah. But sometimes they dont do enough, and he just looks like a walking rock with a couple of cracks. (or cake)

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, it all depends on how lazy the artist is. but they should all be made to follow a set code for all Marvel characters.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I dont know really. sometimes its good to get some variety. You can practically tell when a spidey was drawn purely from the style. It can make them more contemporary. I mean, the guy was great, but imagine if artists were still drawin spidey in the Ditko style.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh i suppose. but come on, cat beast????

[Lady Stormcrow]

cat beast? :confused: whose that?

what about man-thing?

[Lord Valumart]

theres this thing about some artist in x-men drawing Beast like a cat

no problem with Man-thing, never even hear of him until that thing in UFF.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Hey, a load of people drew Beast like a cat, because that was his 'secondary mutation' right?

[Lord Valumart]

no, his secondary mutation was the truning hlue and furry, not looking like a cat.

[Emerald Knight]

I don't think that Beast turned blue and furry due to mutation. Wasn't it because of a laboratory accident of some sort?

[Lord Valumart]

i beleive he drank some form of formula designed to stop his mutation, but it just made him mutate into the beast we know, not the cat thing.

[DareDemon]

Since when does Beast drinking a formula and becoming a cat beast have anything to do with Ultimate Fantastic Four?

[Lord Valumart]

we sort of got off track for the last 2 pages.

it's all Mrs. richards fault......







....ish

[Lady Stormcrow]

Hey! You wernt exactly saying 'slow down Mrs F, shouldnt we talk about UFF' Mister!

*waggles finger acusingly*

[Lord Valumart]

yes i know...

*looks down in embaresment*

BACK TO UFF!!!!

[DareDemon]

I'm sorry I sounded mean :(
It was meant as a compliment...sort of. I enjoy reading your discusstions.

[Lord Valumart]

didn't we talk meaningless jibberish???

[Lady Stormcrow]

We did. But it was good.

So sayeth Doometta :doom: (that was my second choice of screename, but I just love Mr Richards waaay too much)

[Lord Valumart]

yeh its simpler to spell:D

checked out the Only in Britian thread in community? it's got some funny stuff.

[Lady Stormcrow]

No! well, I didnt know such a thread existed! Ill go check it out. By the way, do you know when the F4 movie figures are out in england, and where to get them? thanks. I think I mightve asked before though...

[Ratcrawler]

New ish kinda sucks. Don't like the art, villains seem annoying and Willie Lumpkin's a military dude. Turns me off more than any Ultimate book I've read yet.

[Lady Stormcrow]

How many have you read? I like it, I think its good. I cant wait to see when they officially become public superheroes.

[Lord Valumart]

UFF=best ultiamte book out there, most of the rest suck.

[Zaptoitnow]

I'm not a fan of Jae Lee's work, in fact I kinda hate it. This issue just seemed boring. There was no real feel of intrest in it and I hate Willy lumpkin being a military man. Here's hoping this arc pans out a little better, then bring on Millar/Land/.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I bought the latest UFF yesterday. And however much it pains me to say this (because im a huge fan of Kubert) I really liked the artwork in it. Its different from anything ive ever seen, and I found it to be really striking and effective, especially for johnny, Ive never seen him drawn like that before. It was realistic, without being photo-like. It was like pop art. I have to say though, the writing wasnt as witty as it has been in this book, and the evil girl was kinda creepy, and I dont like the fact she out-smarted reed at the end. Other than that, I think it was money well spent and I cant wait for next issue. I like the two parter stories, its a nice break from drawn out 6 issue ones.

[Zaptoitnow]

Well, I wasn't sure until this issue just who this girl was supposed to be, but now we know she's the Ultimate Thinker. Interesting charecter, but I'm still glad that arc is over and now we can move on to Cross over.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I cant wait for that crossover! Storyline sounds interesting, and the art looks great!

[The Bruce]

Have you guys seen this? (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Ultimate/UFF/UFF021_PREVIEW.htm)

[hammerhedd11]

I cant wait for that crossover! Storyline sounds interesting, and the art looks great!

I can't wait either! I'm surprised they would do something like this.

[Lord Valumart]

I can't wait either! I'm surprised they would do something like this.
why?

it was only a matter of time. Reed knows about tonnes of diff U's, it was in the arcwith Thing clones i think, he held a conference with the other him's.

[Lady Stormcrow]

why?

it was only a matter of time. Reed knows about tonnes of diff U's, it was in the arcwith Thing clones i think, he held a conference with the other him's.

really? do you have a picture?

[Lord Valumart]

might have, but i think it was the last story before waids run, so it might take some time finding it. but i'll try.

[Lady Stormcrow]

might have, but i think it was the last story before waids run, so it might take some time finding it. but i'll try.

Oh Thanks! I dont want to be any bother though.

[Lord Valumart]

nah, it's fine, got he issue right here, just scanning it now, then off to photobucket it goes, then on to this thread it appears.

[Lord Valumart]

here ya go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/valumart/1.bmp

[Lady Stormcrow]

Wow! Thanks! Hehe, is that manga reed I see?

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, theres also cyborg Reed, behind Sue.

[Lady Stormcrow]

oo, wierd.

[Lord Valumart]

yeh, and a sort of hippy Reed in the top right hand cornner.

so many U's so little time....

[Zaptoitnow]

I liked the preview thats for sure. Can't wait to see how Millar takes the series. Also hope he can win his little bet, all the little Bendis haters will love to see Bendis in a blonde curly wig so they should all go out and buy this book!

[kbtoyz902]

Thanks for the preview.

I honestly hope UFF outsells NA. Millar's Avengers > Bendis' Avengers by a LONG shot. PLUS... Land is is a better artist imo than Finch, even when Land's women usually look very similar lol. But that preview had me sold, along with the crossover idea.

[Lady Stormcrow]

The preview looks really good. Im glad they changed Johnny's hair. It always seemed to me they should, because it didnt really keep with the contemporary feel of the book.

[chris moore]

That Think tank mini arc was awful! I found myself skipping pages, or pretty much flicking through it cos it was so dull. And the artwork was so washed out...

Loving the look of the next arc though - Grag Land is quickly becoming one of my all time favourite artists - he can draw any character from any book extremely well!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I LOVE UF4 but the last 2 issues have been crap. I have never been a fan of Jae Lee's artwork and this just reassured me that I'm not missing anything but avoiding books he does. I have followed UF4 since issue #1 but I skipped reading the last 2 issues (still bought them) because the artwork was so bad.

PLEASE tell me Jae Lee is done with UF4, I can't take much more of his art.

[Zaptoitnow]

He's done, thank goodness. I just dont like the way he draws people at all. I actually really thought It worked extremly well with The Sentry, but that was more because everything was supposed to seem a little off, and that exactly what his work made it look like. It looked like I may or may not be looking at the Marvel U through a crazy man's eyes. Same with that Hulk fill-in arc he just did, crazy magic hulk insanity going on. Outside of that mini and the Hulk arc, I have not really enjoyed his work.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So now Land is taking over the book? I still the the best ones are with Kubert....there's just something about that whole family's style that I am really really amazed by.

[Charlie No-One]

I can't wait to see what will hapen with the crossover stuff. There is somethings I do not like: 1. How did they get there names and fours on their suits? We never saw them do this. 2. I hate Sue's costume. It kinda get's rid of the team feel.
(based on the preview)

THANK GOD JAE LEE IS GONE!

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I haven't seen any 4's on their costumes as of the last issue. I did browse through the Jae Lee issues but I don't remember seeing any logos on their costumes. I also don't recall Reed being called "Mr. Fantastic", and I have no idea what you're talking about with Sue's costume....it's just like the rest.

Sure you're talking about ULTIMATE F4?

[Charlie No-One]

I haven't seen any 4's on their costumes as of the last issue. I did browse through the Jae Lee issues but I don't remember seeing any logos on their costumes. I also don't recall Reed being called "Mr. Fantastic", and I have no idea what you're talking about with Sue's costume....it's just like the rest.

Sure you're talking about ULTIMATE F4?

It is on the preview with Greg Land

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Haven't seen it....they changed her costume?

[Ratcrawler]

Ya think they'll ever have a Twisted Toyfare Theater crossover?

[Dr Doom]

Haven't seen it....they changed her costume?

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0506/25/ultimateff23.jpg

[Charlie No-One]

Terrible!

[Caliber]

Doesn't look too bad I like th costumes without the four.

[Dr Doom]

I actually kinda like it. It's keeping with the whole "setting them in the present" theme the Ultimate universe is doing.

[Webber]

That looks horrible, it looks like she has one massive boob.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That looks horrible, it looks like she has one massive boob.

So....what would be wrong with that??

[Charlie No-One]

I perfer two of them.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Hey, whatever does it for ya.

[Lord Valumart]

That looks horrible, it looks like she has one massive boob.
one singlar curved line could change that.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Why would they go and change her costume? it's worked so well up until this point....go figure.

[Charlie No-One]

Why would they go and change her costume? it's worked so well up until this point....go figure.

I hope they A) Explain the change B) Her costume turns back after this run. This could possibly ruin their run.

[DareDemon]

I hope Doom returns soon, and that he has his lightening blasts powers. He just seemed to...weak, in his last appearance.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I hope they A) Explain the change B) Her costume turns back after this run. This could possibly ruin their run.

I doubt a costume change is going to ruin and entire run, but it is odd.

[jayr727]

Maybe the new costume is just for the cover?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Could be....I'm also curious to see how they get their individual names.

[Charlie No-One]

No. The costume is the same as the cover in the preview.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Might not be. They've been having '4's on thier uniforms on the covers for ages.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That is true.

[Charlie No-One]

I saw the preview...it is somewehre in this thread...I read it....they have names and costumes.

[Orko Is King]

I think "Sue's new costume" is just a jacket version of her regular uniform. I saw Reed wearing one in the Doom arc.

[Webber]

one singlar curved line could change that.

Right, thanks for pointing out the single most obvious thing ever. Why don't you contact the artist and tell him that then?

[Lady Stormcrow]

I just picked up the latest issue. Whoa! What a cool last page! Very creepy. I cant wait to see the next one! And it looks like UFF is starting to speed up too, and I loved the scenes between Sue/Reed and..well..Reed/Reed

[Aragorn501]

i've only read a few of these and they r ok but there not MK4 standards

[Zaptoitnow]

The Reed/Reed scenes were great. I loved the twist, and the way I think this is playing out is that some how, 616 Reed will save Ultimate Reed from the dimension that the Reed that was guiding him sent him to. I think it may turn out that the older Reed we saw is an Evil Reed of sorts.

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, it only took 21 issues for them to start wearing a "4" logo and call themselves the Fantastic Four.

[Zaptoitnow]

apparently, 616 Reed will not be making an appearance at all. They said in the SDCC that as long as Joey Q is EIC, Ultimate will never meet 616.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

What the hell is 616 Reed? am I totally out of it or what?

[Dr Doom]

616 is the name of the Marvel Universe.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

uh ok.

[Lord Valumart]

wait!!!


what iss are we on???

[Lady Stormcrow]

The Reed/Reed scenes were great. I loved the twist, and the way I think this is playing out is that some how, 616 Reed will save Ultimate Reed from the dimension that the Reed that was guiding him sent him to. I think it may turn out that the older Reed we saw is an Evil Reed of sorts.

Yeah, I thought that the apparently '616 Reed' we saw was just an evil reed from another dimension, because at the end evil reed says 'ever got the feeling you've been had'

[Mr. Edward Hyde]

Finally, this series is starting to get better. :up:

[Caliber]

Sue looked hot in this issue. I can't wait to see F4 vs UltF4.

[Zaptoitnow]

Well you're gonna have to, since this ain't our ever loving FF from the 616 we all know and love. Check it out for youselves.

http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=4664

[SLVRSR4]

Sue looked hot in this issue. I can't wait to see F4 vs UltF4.

I think sue looked best during think tank but always looks good:up:

[Frank]

Well you're gonna have to, since this ain't our ever loving FF from the 616 we all know and love. Check it out for youselves.

http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=4664
I would have liked it if they weren't all zombified. I really don't want to see the UFF own the real FF..which is probably what will happen since they're bad guys.

I'm wondering more abot how they took over.. I mean how'd reed get infected? Who could bite into rubber? And Wolverine..you'd figure his healing factor would fight off the infection.

[Ratcrawler]

Dammit! They stole my super-zombies idea! Ah well...

[Zaptoitnow]

Still, you can't help but love 28 Fantastic Days Later. lol

[Shadowknight]

This has kinds been done before, there was a What If...? where Wolverine became lord of the vampires and started vampiring super-powered denizens of the Marvel U.

[Flash Fearless]

There was an issue of the FF (right before Waid and Weiringo began their run) where Reed calls a meeting of Reed Richardses from a number of alternate universes to help him solve a problem with the Thing. So, if 616 Reed ever did stumble across the ultimate universe, it probably wouldn't seem like a big deal to him. As soon as Reed began talking to ultimate Reed, I knew that something was wrong because of how fascinated 616 Reed was with the ultimate univserse.

[Lord Valumart]

There was an issue of the FF (right before Waid and Weiringo began their run) where Reed calls a meeting of Reed Richardses from a number of alternate universes to help him solve a problem with the Thing. So, if 616 Reed ever did stumble across the ultimate universe, it probably wouldn't seem like a big deal to him. As soon as Reed began talking to ultimate Reed, I knew that something was wrong because of how fascinated 616 Reed was with the ultimate univserse.
yeh, i think i posted a pic of the in here some where.

[Flash Fearless]

yeh, i think i posted a pic of the in here some where.

I missed it when I skimmed through the thread the first time.

I had forgotten all about that Mangaverse thing that Marvel did until I saw that pic again.

[Gregory Brannon]

I picked up the new Ultimate FF #19 with Greg Land artwork. It's Fantastic. I kinda hope that in the sequel to the movie that the uniforms are similar in style from the ones in this issue.

I've never bought the Ultimate FF series, I've been more of a fan of the Marvel Knights "4" but I liked Greg Land's artwork so much in X-Men "Phoenix Endsong" mini series that it prompted me to pick it up. Oh, the story "Crossover" is interesting. I'm glad that I picked this title up. I can't wait for #20 to come out :)

[Lady Stormcrow]

I had forgotten all about that Mangaverse thing that Marvel did until I saw that pic again.

I read a bit of that in the shop. Something about reed stretching his brain cells. Wonder why he doesnt do that much in the normal MU.

[TheAdmiral]

Still, you can't help but love 28 Fantastic Days Later. lol



Resident Fantastic....Four!

[Ratcrawler]

Reed of the Dead

[Caliber]

So what are those zombie F4?

[Webber]

Another universe very similar to the original marvel universe's Fantastic Four.

[terry78]

Yeah, I read #21 for the first time at Borders last night. That last page made me jump back a bit. Last thing you need is superpowered beings with zombie tendencies.

[Orko Is King]

I think this is the buffest I've ever seen Namor. How does this guy not sink like a rock with all that muscle?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/nov05/ULTFF025_cov_col.jpg

[Doctor Goblipus]

So what issue can we expect to see Namor ?

[The Dude]

I'm thinking we'll get Namor pretty soon, probably the arc after "Crossover" ( Can't wait till next issue) but that just a guess. Sooner than later though.

[Lady Stormcrow]

I think this is the buffest I've ever seen Namor. How does this guy not sink like a rock with all that muscle?



How do you know its not just all airbags? :rolleyes:

[Lord Valumart]

what sodd is how shiny he is, it's made to look like they are under water, but nothing underwater can be that shiny!

[Orko Is King]

So what issue can we expect to see Namor ?

#24 I'm guessing.

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1005/ULTFF024_cov_col.jpg

THE STORY: “TOMB OF NAMOR”

The shocking secret of the Storm family is finally revealed! Locked away at the bottom of the ocean for 5,000 years, Namor the Sub-Mariner’s Atlantean tomb has been breached and now he’s back to rule a planet. This is a Namor you’ve never seen before with an agenda vastly different. This is Ultimate Namor! Learn about the ties between Atlantis, the Ultimate Inhumans and the super-races who existed before man ruled the Earth. We’re building the Ultimate Universe like never before! Part 1 (of 3).

[DareDemon]

Does anyone know why in the Doom arc, at the very begining, when it shows Reed flashing back to the accident it shows Man-Thing? I've tried to figure out WHY he was there, and the only thing I can think of is to finish the "Water, Air, Fire, Earth, Metal" thing with "Plant". But that still doesn't make sense as to why he'd randomly be there.

[Lord Valumart]

wood and metal are the other two elements, not many people know that, i beleive Man-Thing represents the "wood" part.

BTW, Ultimate Man-Thing is a dog.

[KingOfDreams]

I'm really liking this new creative team, especially Greg Land's art. UFF is actually the only Fantastic Four comic I get now. Ever since Waid and Wieringo left the regular title it hasn't really interested me. And ever since that time travel arc in Marvel Knights 4 ended, that title has been kind of boring.

[Charlie No-One]

wood and metal are the other two elements, not many people know that, i beleive Man-Thing represents the "wood" part.

BTW, Ultimate Man-Thing is a dog.

WHAT?

[terry78]

http://www.samruby.com/Series/UltimateTeamUp/UltimateTeamUp10_small.JPG

[Dr Doom]

BTW, Ultimate Man-Thing is a dog.

Where'd you get this from? And if you're joking, I dont get it.

[Lord Valumart]

Where'd you get this from? And if you're joking, I dont get it.
before the accident there is a dog, after there is not, think about it.

[psycho]

I remember that dog, While reading the TPB was always wondering what happened to him, I guess it kinda makes sense now.

[Lord Valumart]

see, it all fits, plus since the dog was the only non human thing there, it is possible that it was transformed into a human like state, due to the different types of "powers" going through all of the other humans. i made the conection, im smart!!!

[Charlie No-One]

I don't like that kind of transformation..I thought Man-Thing was the apple..lol

[Lord Valumart]

no, the apple didn't go anywhere, it just frozze.

[Blade87]

I was wondering, is the crossover arc going to affect the whole ultimate universe or its just going to affect the fantastic four?

[terry78]

I also like that the zombies still maintain their personalities and intelligence. That's even scarier than them just being mindless.

[Lord Valumart]

I was wondering, is the crossover arc going to affect the whole ultimate universe or its just going to affect the fantastic four?
well, didn't it say that what happened in "crossover" would affect the entire Ultimate universe, i think, it sai something like that on the marvel website, when the first part was coming out.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Maybe they're just going to replace all the 'ultimate' books with 'zombie' books. like zombie fantastic four, and zombie spiderman. Showing thier adventures as they wander aimlessly, moaning and doing random and pointless acts of destruction.

hee hee

[Lord Valumart]

if it was written by Simon Pegg, i'd buy it:up:

[Lady Stormcrow]

lol!
I only bought issue 22 today. I cant wait for the final one. I dont see how they can tie up all the loose ends in one issue, but I have faith *crosses fingers*

[Lord Valumart]

it's Marvel, they'll have a masive fight till the last page then torch will go nova and burn the zombies to death.

yeh, sounds right

[terry78]

Magneto is gonna toss more cars.

[Lady Stormcrow]

hey, theres nothing wrong with a bit of car tossing.
especially when its drawn by greg land :D

[Lord Valumart]

it's good to blow things up, lets hope they blow up the zombies

[Lady Stormcrow]

hey, i still dont understand how reed was infected. I thought you couldnt puncture his skin?

[Lord Valumart]

hey, i still dont understand how reed was infected. I thought you couldnt puncture his skin?
more to the point, how could you bit the Thing?

[Caliber]

So Ult Namor is going to hook up with Sue because it seems every guy wants Sue.

[Lady Stormcrow]

more to the point, how could you bit the Thing?

hey, i bet hulk or thor could have enough bite for the job.

So Ult Namor is going to hook up with Sue because it seems every guy wants Sue.

Not if Ult Mr F is as proactive as I think he is...

[Lord Valumart]

Not if Ult Mr F is as proactive as I think he is...
just because you think it, don't make it so, i know:(

[Caliber]

Not if Ult Mr F is as proactive as I think he is...

Good I'm getting tired of everyone having a turn with Sue. I want to him see get pissed and beat the s*** out Namor.

[Lord Valumart]

Good I'm getting tired of everyone having a turn with Sue. I want to him see get pissed and beat the s*** out Namor.
isn't Sue the Marvel byc...i can't, i can't do it.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Good I'm getting tired of everyone having a turn with Sue. I want to him see get pissed and beat the s*** out Namor.

ditto! I think hes more powerful then he lets on. he just uses his intelligence as his main asset.

[Caliber]

isn't Sue the Marvel byc...i can't, i can't do it.

Say it.

[Lord Valumart]

Say it.
Sue is the Marvel bycicle:(

[Caliber]

Sue is the Marvel bycicle:(

I knew it.

[Lady Stormcrow]

lol! hey, emmas more of a bicycle

[Lord Valumart]

I knew it.
Reed, Namor, Doom, a Skrull at some point in time, others......

[Lord Valumart]

lol! hey, emmas more of a bicycle
Frost?

....yes, your right.

[Lady Stormcrow]

ha! the only folks I can think of that sue has had a relationship with is reed, namor, and now the black panther (knights 4).

[Caliber]

Reed, Namor, Doom, a Skrull at some point in time, others......

Wow and people call a motherly figure.

[Lady Stormcrow]

a skrull? doom? okay im confused. when was it with doom?
wait, why am I defending her? she stole Mr F from the world
why am I talking like this about a fictional character?
why am I talking to myself?
just stop talking mrs richards. just watch the avatar.

[Lord Valumart]

ha! the only folks I can think of that sue has had a relationship with is reed, namor, and now the black panther (knights 4).
well,it was Reed in Dooms body, and there was more than likely some skrull thing in iss #2 with them looking like the FF

[Lord Valumart]

a skrull? doom? okay im confused. when was it with doom?
wait, why am I defending her? she stole Mr F from the world
why am I talking like this about a fictional character?
why am I talking to myself?
just stop talking mrs richards. just watch the avatar.
you know what it is to be me, crazy and hungry for pancakes.

[Caliber]

well,it was Reed in Dooms body, and there was more than likely some skrull thing in iss #2 with them looking like the FF

Even aliens can get with Sue.

[Lord Valumart]

Even aliens can get with Sue.
yeh, who knows who Frankilns real father is, the accident may have left Reed with an inability to have kids.

[terry78]

http://members.fortunecity.com/jmolinamuscara/girl17.jpg


I'm surprised old Hulk hasn't had a turn. Poor Sue would be limping for weeks.
:(

[Lord Valumart]

hulk don't think like that

[terry78]

All he wants is to be left alone, huh?

[Lord Valumart]

possibly, last i heard he wanted to kill Wolvie.

[Lady Stormcrow]

everyone wants to kill wolverine

[Spider-Gamer]

Even I want to kill Wolverine! :o

[DareDemon]

Why would they call him MAN-Thing if he was a dog? :(

[Blade87]

I wonder how the zombies managed to infect the hulk?