Tom Welling as Superman Manips

[AgentPat]

...I do however draw the line at "Slash" and weird stuff like that...This coming from the guy who wants to see Lana and Chloe "kiss and then roll around in a tub of pudding."

:p :p :p

Sorry Hulk, I just had to. :D

[Kane]

Ew..

[The Incredible Hulk]

This coming from the guy who wants to see Lana and Chloe "kiss and then roll around in a tub of pudding."

:p :p :p

Sorry Hulk, I just had to. :D


LOL :D hey I said i'd like to see it, I didnt say that I'd create an epic trilogy about it :)

[Pickle-El]

From Neilzy at The Planet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/guardian.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/STMTWelling.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/SRTWelling.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/SVbanner.jpg

[avidreader]

There well done, but what's with the gumboots.

[The Caped Knight]

From Neilzy at The Planet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/guardian.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/STMTWelling.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/SRTWelling.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/SVbanner.jpg

Not bad, not bad at all. :supes:

[Zing79]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/luthorlegend.jpg
Found time to create a new one

[Serene]

Nice, Zing. :up:

I love the background and the disembodied Lex-head floating in the sky. :)

[BaK]

gotta love that hamburger flying.. :)

[The Caped Knight]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/luthorlegend.jpg
Found time to create a new one

Pure badass manip Zing .:supes: :up: :up:

[AgentPat]

Wow! A lot of work went into that. Day-um! Awesome job, Zing!! :up:

[Kane]

Lex iss Zordon/ I knew it!@

[GothicPowerMix1]

Lex iss Zordon/ I knew it!@

Funny

I guess we can call Chloe

Alpha Chloe

[Zing79]

I'm still 'working' on this one...but here is a preview, and if you want to see the full picture (which is a Wallpaper) click on this link:
Wallpaper Link (http://photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/?action=view&current=GoldenGateWallpaper1280.jpg)


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/preview01.jpg

[Squatlow]

From Neilzy at The Planet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/SRTWelling.jpg



There well done, but what's with the gumboots.

Well, since I have yet to see anyone in any forum actually comment on this...

Appears the natural bottom of the foot would end about 1 to 1 1/2 inches above the ground. Air Jordon's to clear the 6-2 high jump? :D

[AgentPat]

I'm still 'working' on this one...but here is a preview, and if you want to see the full picture (which is a Wallpaper) click on this link:
Wallpaper Link (http://photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/?action=view&current=GoldenGateWallpaper1280.jpg)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/preview01.jpgMan! That's phenominal, Zing, and the body is amazing. Simply beautiful!

Jeeze. It's like night and day. The boots. The cape. Even the shield. Just night and day...

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/superman.gif



PS: Squatlow, you're too funny! :D

[The Caped Knight]

I'm still 'working' on this one...but here is a preview, and if you want to see the full picture (which is a Wallpaper) click on this link:
Wallpaper Link (http://photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/?action=view&current=GoldenGateWallpaper1280.jpg)


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/preview01.jpg

:eek: SUPER manip Zing. :supes:

[Serene]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/preview01.jpg

I have to say, Zing.. I think that's my very favorite of all your manips. And I've liked all of them.

[Jedi Master]

that looks like jim lee's style...the cape reminds me of superman on top the ledge lookin over, wit batman in gotham on a ledge lookin over...yes that manip is the best one of alllll....the legs are consistant wit the chest n arms and face..looks awesome

[rumpuso]

Zing, I was wondering if you used Tom's body for this shot and just manipped the suit over it. If so, what picture did you use?

[avidreader]

Well, since I have yet to see anyone in any forum actually comment on this...

Appears the natural bottom of the foot would end about 1 to 1 1/2 inches above the ground. Air Jordon's to clear the 6-2 high jump? :D

ROTFLMAO ! :D

Too funny!

[Milkman95]

Great manip Zing, but it's even more clear to me now that I don't like the bright colors........I'm glad they went with a little darker colors and an actual Kryptonian 3-D emblem this time.............

[MJZ]

Great manip Zing, but it's even more clear to me now that I don't like the bright colors........I'm glad they went with a little darker colors and an actual Kryptonian 3-D emblem this time.............

So you like the brown/maroon color? Interesting tastes.

[Milkman95]

So you like the brown/maroon color? Interesting tastes.

No, I like the dark red color. I don't see brown anywhere.

Yes, I prefer the darker colors. To me, your tastes are interesting. To each their own.

[KikiDee]

No, I like the dark red color. I don't see brown anywhere.

Yes, I prefer the darker colors. To me, your tastes are interesting. To each their own.

You're right.. to each his own. I think he was saying that the red has a brownish hue which it does. It's a bit muddy looking. I don't think a darker red is really that bad it's just that they paired it with a bright blue. If you're going to go dark you should do it all the way. It just looks unbalanced to me.

As for the shield.....I just don't get it. I personally if I had a big (or small in this case) rubber emblem on my chest it would irritate the crap out of me. Good thing I'm not Superman huh? Maybe there's a reason for it being made like that. Instead of throwing celophane he throws these rubber emblems at people and they bounce off and come back to him like a boomerang. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif Haahaa....I do so entertain myself......

I love the manip and I wouldn't mind if they toned down the suit a bit as long as the colors make sense and you can still tell that they are red and blue and yellow. :)

[MJZ]

No, I like the dark red color. I don't see brown anywhere.

Yes, I prefer the darker colors. To me, your tastes are interesting. To each their own.

It's got a brown-ish hue. I know it can look a bit lighter or darker depending on the photo, but for the most part it's a really dull maroon. This was a huge gaff on the part of the costume designer, and should be fixed if SR warrants a sequel. It's the same style of red as Bad Superman from 3.

Darkening the colors a bit compared to Reeve's suit is no problem, but they went overboard. Alex Ross's suit colors are the way to go.

[Thunder Emperor]

I'm still 'working' on this one...but here is a preview, and if you want to see the full picture (which is a Wallpaper) click on this link:
Wallpaper Link (http://photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/?action=view&current=GoldenGateWallpaper1280.jpg)


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/preview01.jpg


the great one ghas done it agian, great zing man tis is awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:) :up:

[Milkman95]

It's got a brown-ish hue. I know it can look a bit lighter or darker depending on the photo, but for the most part it's a really dull maroon. This was a huge gaff on the part of the costume designer, and should be fixed if SR warrants a sequel. It's the same style of red as Bad Superman from 3.

Darkening the colors a bit compared to Reeve's suit is no problem, but they went overboard. Alex Ross's suit colors are the way to go.

I appreciate your opinion, but I guess I'm in the category of not caring about the shades of the colors. I'm not a traditionalist I guess, as long as it's not Tim Burton whacky. I actually would have went the Kingdom Come route, with some black accents, but that's just me.........

[Pickle-El]

I appreciate your opinion, but I guess I'm in the category of not caring about the shades of the colors. I'm not a traditionalist I guess, as long as it's not Tim Burton whacky. I actually would have went the Kingdom Come route, with some black accents, but that's just me.........


I'm with you on this one. Besides, no one has really yet to see how the colors appear in the forefront of Singer's Metropolis and coloring technique.

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/slawson-welling.jpg

:supes: :up: :up:

[Squatlow]

As for the shield.....I just don't get it. I personally if I had a big (or small in this case) rubber emblem on my chest it would irritate the crap out of me. Good thing I'm not Superman huh? Maybe there's a reason for it being made like that.

Well, since the shield was brought up...

Per our own loveable Superherohype.com:

Scooper 'L' attended the Superman Returns presentation at WonderCon in San Francisco on Saturday. The Comic-Con footage from last summer was shown and director Bryan Singer and star Brandon Routh did a Q&A with the crowd:

Nothing major was revealed...
- Singer said...[along with other things]
'The reason the "s" is so small on the costume is that they tried a larger S and it made Routh look way too small.'

Well I'd certainly call that interesting.

No flames please. Its Bryan Singer's opinion; not mine...

:D

[KalKai]

lol :D

[Milkman95]

Newsflash - a large \S/ will make anybody's chest look smaller............within the context of the film it's not plastic, rubber, or any other disrespectful thing you can come up with - it's Kryptonian in nature and it's made out of Kryptonian materials.

[Thunder Emperor]

Newsflash - a large \S/ will make anybody's chest look smaller............within the context of the film it's not plastic, rubber, or any other disrespectful thing you can come up with - it's Kryptonian in nature and it's made out of Kryptonian materials.


no \S/ on teh cap eis unforgivable.

[triplet]

TE, you really need to learn to look at your posts before you post them...

I thought you were having a problem with Superman's hat. LOL! I couldn't figure our what you were talking about. I was thinking, What cap?

:D Too funny...

Yeah, there should be a shield on the cape. I agree.

[AgentPat]

Newsflash - a large \S/ will make anybody's chest look smaller............Or maybe not...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-mike-darkb.jpg
(Manips by Mike and DarkB.)

Seriously, some of the excuses that have been suggested on various issues associated with this film are mind numbing.

within the context of the film it's not plastic, rubber, or any other disrespectful thing you can come up with - it's Kryptonian in nature and it's made out of Kryptonian materials.Not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China, but that's cool. Whether Martha sewed it or it popped in out of thin air, some folks [raises hand] actually think the shield looks better a tad larger, but everybody is entitled to their opinion, I guess. :)

[cyrus02pso]

the one on the right is really good

[AgentPat]

the one on the right is really goodAgreed. I also chose those two manips because they're ALL Welling. Nobody can say that's Reeve's body, or that's a drawing, or whatever. It's all HIM. :D

[Milkman95]

Or maybe not...



http://www.patcostello.com/temp/manip-mike-darkb.jpg
(Manips by Mike and DarkB.)

Actually it does. I don't know why I never noticed this before, but his chest needs some more work when you look at that suntan lotion pic.........

Seriously, some of the excuses that have been suggested on various issues associated with this film are mind numbing.

Hilarious. No comment.

Not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China, but that's cool. Whether Martha sewed it or it popped in out of thin air, some folks [raises hand] actually think the shield looks better a tad larger, but everybody is entitled to their opinion, I guess. :)

It has to do with the shield not being plastic within the context of the film, but Kryptonian in nature. I guess some people here can't expand their minds enough to understand that.............

Yeah, I prefer the shield to be larger as well, but I guess in the end I'm not picky........

[user123456789]

I agree with Milkman.

[AgentPat]

Actually it does. I don't know why I never noticed this before, but his chest needs some more work when you look at that suntan lotion pic.Well, I'm not gonna get sucked into the physique argument again. Been there, done that, have FAR too many T-shirts. I'm also not going to sink to insults, as you have. I think a slightly larger shield looks better, regardless of its context within the film, and whether it's made of plastic or sewn on. All that stuff is irrelevant, unless the costume designer needs to compensate for other issues such as an actor with a small chest, or an inflexible logo that wouldn't rest correctly on a padded costume. Whatever. It's all subjective opinion.

[KikiDee]

It has to do with the shield not being plastic within the context of the film, but Kryptonian in nature. I guess some people here can't expand their minds enough to understand that.............

Small minded person here...... you rang? So it's not rubber? Wow, it's good to know the production team was able to check with an actual Kryptonian. I would hate for us to see a shield that wasn't Kryptonian in nature. What?:confused:

[user123456789]

Small minded person here...... you rang? So it's not rubber? Wow, it's good to know the production team was able to check with an actual Kryptonian. I would hate for us to see a shield that wasn't Kryptonian in nature. What?:confused:

um. kikidee...

read what he posted, then read what you replied with..

[KikiDee]

um. kikidee...

read what he posted, then read what you replied with..

One word.....Sarcasm.

[Milkman95]

Small minded person here...... you rang? So it's not rubber? Wow, it's good to know the production team was able to check with an actual Kryptonian. I would hate for us to see a shield that wasn't Kryptonian in nature. What?:confused:

Not surprised by your confusion. If you couldn't understand the post, oh well.

[Pickle-El]

Well, I'm not gonna get sucked into the physique argument again. Been there, done that, have FAR too many T-shirts. I'm also not going to sink to insults, as you have. I think a slightly larger shield looks better, regardless of its context within the film, and whether it's made of plastic or sewn on. All that stuff is irrelevant, unless the costume designer needs to compensate for other issues such as an actor with a small chest, or an inflexible logo that wouldn't rest correctly on a padded costume. Whatever. It's all subjective opinion.

:o


(whistles)

[AgentPat]

:o


(whistles)...I guess some people here can't expand their minds enough to understand that.............(whistles) :o

Pickle, try seeing the difference between making cracks about an actor or movie verses people you actually converse with on a daily basis.

[KikiDee]

Not surprised by your confusion. If you couldn't understand the post, oh well.

I'm sorry, so you weren't calling me small minded for making a comment about the rubber shield? :confused:

That's how it read to me, so if I'm wrong I do apologize.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

:o


(whistles)


LMAO

PWNAGE :D

[Pickle-El]

I personally read that as something that Milkman just said in passing from what he's seen so far. And not just a general statement because many don't know just what exactly is going on with the SR production and it's every detail yet. (Such as the 3d shield that has a purpose in the film, as it's abilty to be seen, or not seen at given moments)

Besides, when it comes to the incredibly HUGE mythos and interpretations that comes with something such as Superman, nothing has ever been set in stone. Tweaks will ALWAYS occur, maybe that's what he was saying as well. Some people ARE stubborn when it comes to that. I personally have no vented interest in how big or small the S is. It won't change the characterization of Superman as an inspiration as far as I'm concerned....But, that's just me.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Of course kryptonian technology is a point to bring up. Singer is the one who stated that it being raised had a purpose... Also if the S was a billboard size AND raised do you think he could even cross his arms???? No way, it just wouldn't work. They wanted the suit to be made with incredible details for the purpose of FILM not photography, so when you see him on film being shot with the genesis camera it will be more believable that the suit isn't of earthly origin. Martha did not make his suit in SR :)

[AgentPat]

I personally read that as something that Milkman just said in passing from what he's seen so far....What. Ever. I know the difference between hurling veiled insults to one or more people verses making cracks about a film or actor. If you want to keep ignoring that point, that's your prerogative. And I could give two hoots about the origin of the costume in the film. It's irrelevant to the initial point (not to mention this thread), which was a matter of personal taste. That's all. Why the gloves had to come off and insult people for a personal opinion that's subjective in nature is baffling. And honestly, what is it about conversation in a SV forum that's so interesting, one feels the need to debate specifics of the film? Isn't it more fun to defend over in the SR forums, where people actually WANT to discuss it? I'm sure there's plenty of other people THERE to have nice, "open minded" discussion with - and be on-topic to boot. Imagine that?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What. Ever. I know the difference between hurling veiled insults to one or more people verses making cracks about a film or actor. If you want to keep ignoring that point, that's your prerogative. And I could give two hoots about the origin of the costume in the film. It's irrelevant to the initial point (not to mention this thread), which was a matter of personal taste. That's all. Why the gloves had to come off and insult people for a personal opinion that's subjective in nature is baffling. And honestly, what is it about conversation in a SV forum that's so interesting, one feels the need to debate specifics of the film? Isn't it more fun to defend over in the SR forums, where people actually WANT to discuss it? I'm sure there's plenty of other people THERE to have nice, "open minded" discussion with - and be on-topic to boot. Imagine that?

She always pulls that card when she's beaten in a discussion. "Oh yeah... well uh.. you can umm... go the SR forum to discuss it... even though you weren't the one to bring it up in here and only responded to it!" :D :D :D

Pickel pwned AgentPat :up:

[Squatlow]

Newsflash - a large \S/ will make anybody's chest look smaller............within the context of the film it's not plastic, rubber, or any other disrespectful thing you can come up with - it's Kryptonian in nature and it's made out of Kryptonian materials.

I'm not going to get into a heavy discussion here, but I do want to point out the following:

1) I quoted Mr. Singer. I didn't offer an opinion of my own. Therefore, your rebuttal should be directed to Mr. Singer. He said it, Superhero Hype reported it, and I reposted it. As I said in my post, "No flames, please, its Bryan Singer's opinion, not mine"

2) Newsflash back at you - I understand the context of the film very well. I've been reading comics, watching the TV shows and the films since 1952 (yeah I'm that old, do the math). I have NEVER been disrespectful of the character. Unless you count the times in 1955-1957 when I was running around the neighborhood with a towel around my neck and a red lipstick "S" hand drawn on my tee shirt. Boy was my grandma mad (it was her towels and her lipstick). But thats a story for another time. ;)

3) It is not Kryptonian in nature. It is not made out of Kryptonian materials. IT...is plastic or rubber.
All of which means nothing. Its the visual that Singer was commenting on. Whether its made of plastic, rubber, plutonium, or the compressed atoms of a neutron star, is irrevelent to its size. Its as big or small as it is. And Singer made an interesting observation. He said it "made Routh look way too small". Not, it 'makes the costume droop', or 'smells funny', or 'it has batteries and lights up at night'. He said "way too small". As such, he is the first maker of a Superman property to comment (at least in public) on the size of the "s" on his actor. Again, his observation not mine.

And certain posters here might agree that size does matter :D (sorry couldn't resist).

So, in closing, I hope if you again feel the need to argue the point, you'll email your thoughts directly to Mr. Singer.

Meanwhile, thank you for your input. Your opinions are uniquely your own and you are absolutely entitled to them.

[Milkman95]

The kettle is definitely black around here.

Hurling insults? People take things way too seriously on a message board sometimes. If I wanted to insult, I would, instead, I made my point sarcastically, which in the end, means no harm.......

[Squatlow]

The kettle is definitely black around here.

Hurling insults? People take things way too seriously on a message board sometimes. If I wanted to insult, I would, instead, I made my point sarcastically, which in the end, means no harm.......

No harm?

sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>

I think its so important to understand the meaning of words, don't you?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

No harm?

sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>

I think its so important to understand the meaning of words, don't you?




You are right. This post was an insult :down

Well, I'm not gonna get sucked into the physique argument again. Been there, done that, have FAR too many T-shirts. I'm also not going to sink to insults, as you have. I think a slightly larger shield looks better, regardless of its context within the film, and whether it's made of plastic or sewn on. All that stuff is irrelevant, unless the costume designer needs to compensate for other issues such as an actor with a small chest, or an inflexible logo that wouldn't rest correctly on a padded costume. Whatever. It's all subjective opinion.

Good call. :up:

[KalKai]

That's not an insult, that's just the truth, accept it, lol.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

That's not an insult, that's just the truth, accept it, lol.

Not according to the definition squat pulled up. :o

Pay attention :)

[jas01724]

This is fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Serene]

This is fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So, James.. got any cool TW as Superman manips to share. :)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

This is fun. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wait that wasn't that much fun :confused:

Posting rolleyes is mildy amusing at best.

[MJZ]

Actually it does. I don't know why I never noticed this before, but his chest needs some more work when you look at that suntan lotion pic.........



Heh, I love it. Seems like every message board poster is some ripped Navy SEAL behind their screenname.

Needs work compared to what? Ronnie Coleman?

[jas01724]

Posting rolleyes is mildy amusing at best.Much like most of what's been posted in this thread over the last few hours, right? :up:

[Milkman95]

Heh, I love it. Seems like every message board poster is some ripped Navy SEAL behind their screenname.

Needs work compared to what? Ronnie Coleman?

Needs work IN MY OPINION.

Nah, Ronnie Coleman is over-doing it IMO, but if you must know, yes, I can hold my own. That's all that needs to be said............

[Milkman95]

No harm?

sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>

I think its so important to understand the meaning of words, don't you?




Hilarious. Grow a thicker skin..........

[AgentPat]

This is fun. :rolleyes:LOL! Indeed. It IS amusing in a pathetic sort of way, init? :D

So, James.. got any cool TW as Superman manips to share. :)Oh, there will always be plenty of TW manips. The REALLY "fun" stuff is in such short supply, though. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/flirt.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/superman1.jpg


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wink.gif

Anyhoo, speaking of Navy Seals, I'm off to do my workout. Catch yas latah. :p

[Serene]

Oh, there will always be plenty of TW manips. The REALLY "fun" stuff is in such short supply, though. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/flirt.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/superman1.jpg


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wink.gif

ROFLMAO!!!
I love you, Pat. :) ;)

*coughCNcough*

[Milkman95]

I'm not going to get into a heavy discussion here, but I do want to point out the following:

1) I quoted Mr. Singer. I didn't offer an opinion of my own. Therefore, your rebuttal should be directed to Mr. Singer. He said it, Superhero Hype reported it, and I reposted it. As I said in my post, "No flames, please, its Bryan Singer's opinion, not mine"

No need. I know what he means, which is a larger \S/ in general would make anybody look smaller. He didn't want a billboard, no big deal.

2) Newsflash back at you - I understand the context of the film very well. I've been reading comics, watching the TV shows and the films since 1952 (yeah I'm that old, do the math). I have NEVER been disrespectful of the character. Unless you count the times in 1955-1957 when I was running around the neighborhood with a towel around my neck and a red lipstick "S" hand drawn on my tee shirt. Boy was my grandma mad (it was her towels and her lipstick). But thats a story for another time. ;)

Then you understood my point, thanks.

3) It is not Kryptonian in nature. It is not made out of Kryptonian materials. IT...is plastic or rubber.

I agree. Too bad I'm talking about what it will be made of within the story or the context of the film.

All of which means nothing. Its the visual that Singer was commenting on. Whether its made of plastic, rubber, plutonium, or the compressed atoms of a neutron star, is irrevelent to its size. Its as big or small as it is. And Singer made an interesting observation. He said it "made Routh look way too small". Not, it 'makes the costume droop', or 'smells funny', or 'it has batteries and lights up at night'. He said "way too small". As such, he is the first maker of a Superman property to comment (at least in public) on the size of the "s" on his actor. Again, his observation not mine.

Again, I could care less what the shield is made of or the size of it. I'm talking about what it will be made of within the context of the film, which will be Kryptonian in nature I'm sure. Bale's suit in BB was rubber, but within the film, it was armor, go figure.........

And certain posters here might agree that size does matter :D (sorry couldn't resist).

Nice.

So, in closing, I hope if you again feel the need to argue the point, you'll email your thoughts directly to Mr. Singer.

No need to argue, I agree with him.

Meanwhile, thank you for your input. Your opinions are uniquely your own and you are absolutely entitled to them.

Thanks.

[Milkman95]

LOL! Indeed. It IS amusing in a pathetic sort of way, init? :D

Oh, there will always be plenty of TW manips. The REALLY "fun" stuff is in such short supply, though. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/flirt.gif

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/superman1.jpg


http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wink.gif

Anyhoo, speaking of Navy Seals, I'm off to do my workout. Catch yas latah. :p

Great pic.

I agree, it is entertaining and pathetic here - that's why I keep coming back, it's entertaining..............:up:

[Serene]

Great pic.

I agree, it is entertaining and pathetic here - that's why I keep coming back, it's entertaining..............:up:

That's very mean-spirited. And it's basically announcing that you will never come here to contribute anything worth reading... only to stir up trouble with people.

Thanks for the warning, it's helpful.

[user123456789]

that pic is part of my avy

[Zing79]

And in an attemp to get this back on track...
Feel the love
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg

[avidreader]

That is so Super Zing! I love it! :up:

PS. I love Lois's shoes, where did you find them?

[MJZ]

That's all that needs to be said............

Okie dokie. But that "declaration" is about as useful as tits on a bull. :up:

[Spider-Gamer]

And in an attemp to get this back on track...
Feel the love
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg
Nice! :eek: :up:

[MJZ]

Hatcher's great but I think Durance is the best Lois to date (I sure would like to), IMO...

[The Caped Knight]

And in an attemp to get this back on track...
Feel the love
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg

:eek: SUPER Romance, I Love it, Superman & Lois . amazing manip Zing, please post more with SUPERMAN & Lois
. :supes:

[Milkman95]

That's very mean-spirited. And it's basically announcing that you will never come here to contribute anything worth reading... only to stir up trouble with people.

Thanks for the warning, it's helpful.

Stir up trouble? How is saying it's entertaining here causing trouble?

[Milkman95]

Okie dokie. But that "declaration" is about as useful as tits on a bull. :up:

Whatever you say Skippy...........you got me.......:rolleyes:

Great manip by the way Zing..........

[triplet]

ROFLMAO!!!
I love you, Pat. :) ;)

*coughCNcough*

LOL!

*cough*CN*cough*

:D

[Zing79]

*bump*
Re-Did the Manip
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg
Old one is gone cause I saved over top of it.

[The Caped Knight]

*bump*
Re-Did the Manip
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg
Old one is gone cause I saved over top of it.

I love it. :up: :up:

[triplet]

*bump*
Re-Did the Manip
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg
Old one is gone cause I saved over top of it.

The original was pretty damn good, so this one is even better!

:up:

Great Manip, Zing.

[The Caped Knight]

Zing I love your Erica & Tom manip as Lois & Clark/SUPERMAN . Please post more .

[Thunder Emperor]

The great one is back.............................................. ........................ ZING

[MissLane]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg

That's just... WOW :up: :up:

[AgentPat]

*bump*
Re-Did the Manip
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/LoveFlightWallSmall.jpg
Old one is gone cause I saved over top of it.Amazing as always, Zing. Beautiful attention to detail too, from Welling's actual hands right down to Durance's ... um.. well, you know. LOL ;) :D

I missed the first version though. What did you change? The trunks (or lack thereof)?

PS: Don't let anybody talk you out of your choice of red. :up:

[avidreader]

Great manip Zing! Gosh, I love those shoes. :up:

I think next season they should start darkening Erica's hair.

[Zing79]

My newest work in progress...This one is going to be a total pain in the arse since I'm creating two hero's. This is a very small preview. The actual file is 1280x1024 and the hero's take up half the screen.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/wip.jpg

[Jedi Master]

see that superman n lois pic is realllly friggin' cool..but the only thing tat makes it reall odd is the chest, cuz tom welling's chest is pretty big, n his side, n abs...like..ummm if u seen clark witout his shirt in exodus or calling, when clark showed pete the scar, u can see wellings chest is more wider...but other than that ur manip is hott....lois is hott

[Gmanofsteel]

LOVING these mannips zing :D :up:

[Zing79]

This is part of the Superman/SuperGirl manip and I thought some of you might like to see a very high rez version of Welling alone.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Zing79/WellingSuperman02.jpg

[Zing79]

*Bumping*
Mr. Welling's portion of my Superman/Supergirl manip is pretty much done (see above).

[Gmanofsteel]

very nice :):up:

[The Caped Knight]

Nice

[Spider-Gamer]

very nice :):up:
I have to agree! :up:

[user123456789]

awesome. but i think Supes left arm looks a bit wierd, especially with his head cocked like that

[superboy13]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4419/supersmallville5yh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Thunder Emperor]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4419/supersmallville5yh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


nice but Rouths frame is too small to use for Welling. it is so clear it is not his body. nice work though

[Gmanofsteel]

*more manips* :D

[user123456789]

edit

[Mr. Vengeance]

Newsflash - a large \S/ will make anybody's chest look smaller............within the context of the film it's not plastic, rubber, or any other disrespectful thing you can come up with - it's Kryptonian in nature and it's made out of Kryptonian materials.

Newsflash - no.

[Pickle-El]

Newsflash - no.


Actually, he's quite correct.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I don't think so.

[triplet]

I don't think so either but this isn't the place to discuss THAT suit, now is it?

[Milkman95]

I don't think so.

Well, you're wrong, sorry.

[superboy13]

Quick poster I made for the Series Finale...
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4837/supersmallville25ot.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[user123456789]

is that Reeve's body? i notice his trademark ribs

[Timstuff]

TW's head needs to be smaller in that pic. Either that, or Reeve's body needs to be bigger.

[superboy13]

Weird... I made TW's head exactly the same size as Reeve's.... I guess TW is just a lot bigger, and that's what is making it look odd

[user123456789]

could be TW's hair, but i think you're right superboy.

[triplet]

I think it's the body... Tom's body is just huge, he has a much broader and deeper chest than Reeve did.

[user123456789]

I think it's the body... Tom's body is just huge, he has a much broader and deeper chest than Reeve did.

i think this satisfies the people that needed an expert opinion on this matter

*points to triplet's avvy*

[triplet]

i think this satisfies the people that needed an expert opinion on this matter

*points to triplet's avvy*

ROTFLMFAO!

:D

Yeah, that's me: an expert on Tom's beautifully deep, wide and well sculpted chest! LOL!

;) :p

[AgentPat]

I think it's the body... Tom's body is just huge, he has a much broader and deeper chest than Reeve did.Mmm... I dunno. Reeve was a big guy too. In Superboy13's manip, Tom's head just looks *really* big in proportion to the body, but I'm not sure if it's because of his hair, or the fact that Welling's head really *IS* a little smaller proportionally for the size of his body.

It has a lot to do with his jaw, which is defined and square, but very short. For a guy that's 6'4", it completely throws off the entire perspective for the shape of his face and overall size of his head compared to his body...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fog5.jpg


It's more obvious when he stands next to other people...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hauer.jpg


The top of his head is more flat than round as well, which adds to the illusion...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/velocity.jpg


But this proportion oddity (for lack of a better word), is what makes him so perfect for the role, IMHO. Artists tend to draw comic book superheros with re-heeeeeeely BIG bodies (duh!) and smaller heads. It makes them look bigger than life and sets them apart from average looking Joe's. It's something you really can't do with make-up. You can make a person's head look bigger and give them exaggerated features, but it's just a lot nicer for the illusion if the actor already has the relative size features required for the character. There are times when Welling looks like he just stepped off the pages of a comic book. So yes, size really DOES matter! LOL

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/sizematters.jpg

:D

[LexCorp]

Tom can fill those boots well.:supes:

[Gmanofsteel]

Mmm... I dunno. Reeve was a big guy too. In Superboy13's manip, Tom's head just looks *really* big in proportion to the body, but I'm not sure if it's because of his hair, or the fact that Welling's head really *IS* a little smaller proportionally for the size of his body.

It has a lot to do with his jaw, which is defined and square, but very short. For a guy that's 6'4", it completely throws off the entire perspective for the shape of his face and overall size of his head compared to his body...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/fog5.jpg


It's more obvious when he stands next to other people...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promo6.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hauer.jpg


The top of his head is more flat than round as well, which adds to the illusion...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/velocity.jpg


But this proportion oddity (for lack of a better word), is what makes him so perfect for the role, IMHO. Artists tend to draw comic book superheros with re-heeeeeeely BIG bodies (duh!) and smaller heads. It makes them look bigger than life and sets them apart from average looking Joe's. It's something you really can't do with make-up. You can make a person's head look bigger and give them exaggerated features, but it's just a lot nicer for the illusion if the actor already has the relative size features required for the character. There are times when Welling looks like he just stepped off the pages of a comic book. So yes, size really DOES matter! LOL

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/sizematters.jpg

:D
when i met JS he had a nice build, but dang, welling is even bigger :D

[superboy13]

I'll try correcting the manip...(if I still have the .PSD file :P)

[Zorex]

There are times when Welling looks like he just stepped off the pages of a comic book. So yes, size really DOES matter! LOL
:D
Indeed. And there are also times when he just doesn't. ;)

Nice physical character study, Pat. You've definitely thought about this more than once :P ;)

[MJZ]

I think Pat has a doctorate in all things Welling. :)

[avidreader]

I think Pat has a doctorate in all things Welling. :)

I think there are a few of us studying at that College. Havent quite got the doctorate yet, but we've got diplomas and degrees. :)

[Serene]

I think there are a few of us studying at that College. Havent quite got the doctorate yet, but we've got diplomas and degrees. :)
Personally, I'd like to go for the Extra Credit research project. ;)

[user123456789]

Indeed. And there are also times when he just doesn't. ;)

Nice physical character study, Pat. You've definitely thought about this more than once :P ;)
I think Pat has a doctorate in all things Welling. :)
I think there are a few of us studying at that College. Havent quite got the doctorate yet, but we've got diplomas and degrees. :)
Personally, I'd like to go for the Extra Credit research project. ;)
Oh dear...

[Zorex]

Personally, I'd like to go for the Extra Credit research project. ;)
I somehow doubt it's the Extra Credit that's got you interested. :)

[avidreader]

Personally, I'd like to go for the Extra Credit research project. ;)

I'll tandum with you on that one. :)

[triplet]

You guys need a research assistant, I'll volunteer... :D

[AgentPat]

I think Pat has a doctorate in all things Welling. :)Hey, I worked hard to get that. I keep up with the refresher courses too. :D :up: LOL

BTW... did you guys see this manip by MIKE from BT's? This one's really amazing!!!

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4540/efefe20pz.png

[Thunder Emperor]

Hey, I worked hard to get that. I keep up with the refresher courses too. :D :up: LOL

BTW... did you guys see this manip by MIKE from BT's? This one's really amazing!!!

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4540/efefe20pz.png


That is some beauty stuff tight just wonderful:) :up:

[Pickle-El]

Hey, I worked hard to get that. I keep up with the refresher courses too. :D :up: LOL

BTW... did you guys see this manip by MIKE from BT's? This one's really amazing!!!

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4540/efefe20pz.png

Nice manip.

I've also noticed something here too......hehe.

[user123456789]

wat.. the RUICK?

[Spider-Gamer]

wat.. the RUICK?
So that is what it says. At first I thought it said *******! :o

[The Caped Knight]

Hey, I worked hard to get that. I keep up with the refresher courses too. :D :up: LOL

BTW... did you guys see this manip by MIKE from BT's? This one's really amazing!!!

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4540/efefe20pz.png

OMG , that a badass picture of Welling changing into SUPERMAN :up: :up: :supes:

[Chaos Bringer]

why do I keep thinking that they messed up an dshoulda cast this guy. think of the cross over potential squandered and lost...wow.

[The Incredible Hulk]

had to post this one over here... big credit ot "neilzy" over at BT for this one.. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/fanart/newSVposter.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

had to post this one over here... big credit ot "neilzy" over at BT for this one.. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/fanart/newSVposter.jpg

Awesome , :supes:

[AgentPat]

had to post this one over here... big credit ot "neilzy" over at BT for this one.. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/fanart/newSVposter.jpgVery VERY nice! Wonder why he used the SR logo though since he used the traditional one on the costume? :confused:

Awesome manip. Well done! :up:

[rumpuso]

Wow! This one is excellent.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Very VERY nice! Wonder why he used the SR logo though since he used the traditional one on the costume? :confused:

Awesome manip. Well done! :up:Because the SR logo is just as good as any logo.

[AgentPat]

Because the SR logo is just as good as any logo.I didn't say it was bad, now did I? :p I just thought it looked odd having two very different logos on the same "poster."

[avidreader]

The only thing I dont like about it, is that Lana is with the enemy. :(

[Kane]

:) Lanas going to hell :)

[Superman13]

I didn't say it was bad, now did I? :p I just thought it looked odd having two very different logos on the same "poster."No you didnt say it was bad. The thing is the logo doesnt really look any different. It does on the outfit but just standing alone it diesnt look to different.

[Thunder Emperor]

had to post this one over here... big credit ot "neilzy" over at BT for this one.. :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Darth_Neilzy/fanart/newSVposter.jpg


THIS IS IT, who made this. awesome. man new wallpaper.:) :up: :up: :up:

[AgentPat]

No you didn't say it was bad. The thing is the logo doesn't really look any different. It does on the outfit but just standing alone it doesn't look to different.S'kay. We can have a different opinion on its uniformity, or lack thereof. :)

I still think it's an AWESOME manip though. :up:

[LexCorp]

Good stuff so far....
Would like to see a Flash manip with Mike Rosenbaums head.....lol

[Whiteflag]

I love to see the REAL Superman on those manips! Thanks for them!

[RakuMon]

I didn't say it was bad, now did I? :p I just thought it looked odd having two very different logos on the same "poster."
In all fairness Pat, even the Reeve movies had "conflicting" logos from the publicity and the costume itself.

To wit:

The official movie logo:
http://www.universohq.com/cinema/images/superman_movie.jpg

The costume:
http://www.cineybso.com/fotos%20noticias/fallece%20christopher%20reeve/superman.jpg

[AgentPat]

In all fairness Pat, even the Reeve movies had "conflicting" logos from the publicity and the costume itself.But were both logos ever put on the same poster? :p

Seriously though, it's not *that* big of a deal. I'm just a little anal retentive when it comes to uniformity.

[Ultimate_Superman]

But were both logos ever put on the same poster? :p

Seriously though, it's not *that* big of a deal. I'm just a little anal retentive when it comes to uniformity.But if you want to get that way the classic \s/ is not reeve's \s/ it is in the comic which changes all the time. Hell there re-making the Daily Planet to look like SR Daily Planet.

[AgentPat]

But if you want to get that way the classic \s/ is not reeve's \s/ it is in the comic which changes all the time. Hell there re-making the Daily Planet to look like SR Daily Planet.ARGH!! How many times do I have to explain this, 'cause it doesn't seem to be sinking in? It has NOTHING to do with the \S/ itself. Pick one. Any one. I don't care which one - it's just a manip; it doesn't matter. From an artistic POV, it just looks a little weird having two DIFFERENT versions of the \S/ logo on the SAME poster, that's all. And they ARE different. Even the shield itself has a different shape.

Now, if there's a *reason* (beyond artistic license) for different logos, then I'd understand. For example, using the \8/ logo in the background would make sense - even a manip with Routh in it - but don't hold your breath waiting for THAT sacrilege. :rolleyes:

[RakuMon]

Now, if there's a *reason* (beyond artistic license) for different logos, then I'd understand. For example, using the \8/ logo in the background would make sense - even a manip with Routh in it - but don't hold your breath waiting for THAT sacrilege. :rolleyes:

Speaking of the Smallville \8/ logo. I saw this mirror that would be the PERFECT template to base the Smallville \S/ on! If you can't make it out, it's an 'S' that is shaped into an '8.' I believe it was purchased from Ikea.
Anyway, put a \ / around it and voila!

Check it out!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7446/1967/1600/s-8%20mirror.jpg

[AgentPat]

^ That's pretty cool!

I farted around with the Reeve logo a few weeks ago and came up with this...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/infinity.jpg

Kinda cool in it's own silly way. ;)

[BaK]

^ That's pretty cool!

I farted around with the Reeve logo a few weeks ago and came up with this...
maybe you should patent it Pat..
before
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http://www.patcostello.com/temp/infinity.jpg
g
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starts using it.. :)

[AgentPat]

maybe you should patent it Pat..
before Google starts using it.. :)Oh, now that would be hysterical. Not that they would, but nice use of the double oh thar, Bak! :up: :D

[Kane]

The \8/ looks stupid. I dont know why they used it.

[smsvmos]

Today I was looking if I could find new images of Tom as Superman and I came upon this so enjoy

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8781/tw0034lq.jpg

[Gmanofsteel]

made a manip :)

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8775/4645qi.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

The \8/ looks stupid. I dont know why they used it.I have to agree the \8/ doesn't look right unless it is being used in written things. I don't see why SV used it, but then again I guess they had no choice since they couldn't use the \s/

[The Caped Knight]

Today I was looking if I could find new images of Tom as Superman and I came upon this so enjoy

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8781/tw0034lq.jpg

That's awesome, can someone color it ?
From Kal, to KAL-EL

[Kane]

I have to agree the \8/ doesn't look right unless it is being used in written things. I don't see why SV used it, but then again I guess they had no choice since they couldn't use the \s/

Well sucks for them...but the \8/ is whacked.

[KalKai]

I have to agree the \8/ doesn't look right unless it is being used in written things. I don't see why SV used it, but then again I guess they had no choice since they couldn't use the \s/

lol they always used the \S/ since Season 1. If you're talking about the \8/ on Clark's chest, the \8/ in Kryptonian alphabet = S, and they did use the \S/ on Clark's chest too..

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7376/s3to.png

[AgentPat]

I have to agree the \8/ doesn't look right unless it is being used in written things. I don't see why SV used it, but then again I guess they had no choice since they couldn't use the \s/To my knowledge, SV has NOT been prevented from using the standard \S/ logo. In fact, they tease it quite a bit, and in the most least suspecting places...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/transference7.jpg

I don't know what the full history behind the \8/ is, but like many other decisions on the show, I'd imagine there was probably some creative input involved to keep things unique while adding to the mythos. C'mon now. This was beyond cool...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile3.jpg

That scene is probably the second most iconic shot after the scarecrow cross scene in the Pilot.

Jor-El tells Clark the \8/ is the mark of his ancestors, which makes more sense than it being an \S/ and also being the first letter for Superman. How convenient. LOL I like the fact that at some point, Clark apparently will change his family crest/emblem. It enriches the story by adding more information to the history of a very important symbol.

[MJZ]

That drawing is killer. I'll have to take a crack at a TW drawing sometime and post it.

[RakuMon]

I don't know what the full history behind the \8/ is, but like many other decisions on the show, I'd imagine there was probably some creative input involved to keep things unique while adding to the mythos.

Like KalKai said, the \8/ already exists in Superman lore. In the DC Comics-approved Kryptonian alphabet, \8/=S. So it jives with the comics.

[AgentPat]

Like KalKai said, the \8/ already exists in Superman lore. In the DC Comics-approved Kryptonian alphabet, \8/=S. So it jives with the comics.Oh, no doubt - there was intelligent thought that went behind it. Some people just don't like it visually though, apparently. I think it's great, and it's one of the things that sets the show apart from other versions of the mythos.

[Ultimate_Superman]

lol they always used the \S/ since Season 1. If you're talking about the \8/ on Clark's chest, the \8/ in Kryptonian alphabet = S, and they did use the \S/ on Clark's chest too..

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7376/s3to.pngI already knew that.To my knowledge, SV has NOT been prevented from using the standard \S/ logo. In fact, they tease it quite a bit, and in the most least suspecting places...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/transference7.jpg

I don't know what the full history behind the \8/ is, but like many other decisions on the show, I'd imagine there was probably some creative input involved to keep things unique while adding to the mythos. C'mon now. This was beyond cool...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exile3.jpg

That scene is probably the second most iconic shot after the scarecrow cross scene in the Pilot.

Jor-El tells Clark the \8/ is the mark of his ancestors, which makes more sense than it being an \S/ and also being the first letter for Superman. How convenient. LOL I like the fact that at some point, Clark apparently will change his family crest/emblem. It enriches the story by adding more information to the history of a very important symbol.And no they are not allowed to use the \S/ because of the movie. Believe it or not thats one of the things Smallville can not use so they had to go with the \8/ =S but still thats what they had to go with because they can't use the \s/. As I said before Smallville has lost alot of freedom they once had. But your right about the last part Pat it will be nice to show on TV how Clark came up with changing it from \8/ to \s/ though I feel Birthright already did a pretty good job of that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh, no doubt - there was intelligent thought that went behind it. Some people just don't like it visually though, apparently. I think it's great, and it's one of the things that sets the show apart from other versions of the mythos.Thats my point and problem I hate how or why he had to wear it(because SV has f up Jor-El IMO) and I just hate how it looks really. In DC One Million it looked great on the outfit of the Superman of that time(before SV came out) but I just don't agree with hoe SV did it.

[Kane]

The \8/ just looks dumb on his chest. Hes not 8-man.

I mean the \S/ on his chest (being the symbol of his kryptonian family) makes a bit more sense. \S/ doesnt mean the letter S in Kryptonian.

The only reason people called him 'Superman' during his first appearances was that was the name Lois Lane came up for him when she saw his kryptonian symbol on his chest \S/ since it looked so close to the letter S. Clark didnt intend to wear that letter on his costume tho (just his family crest).

He isnt Alphabet man either showing off the letter of the day.

And the real letter S (or in Kryptonian \8/) isnt even in the El family name. Infact Jorel, Zorel, Lara, Kara and Kal dont even have it in their first names... thats why the \S/ symbol always represented the El family line (since it doesnt mean S the letter).

[KalKai]

Tony_Montana when did they ever say that they couldn't use the \S/ on Clark's chest? They never did.

It looks much cooler than a simple letter.

[avidreader]

The \8/ just looks dumb on his chest. Hes not 8-man.

I mean the \S/ on his chest (being the symbol of his kryptonian family) makes a bit more sense. \S/ doesnt mean the letter S in Kryptonian.

The only reason people called him 'Superman' during his first appearances was that was the name Lois Lane came up for him when she saw his kryptonian symbol on his chest \S/ since it looked so close to the letter S. Clark didnt intend to wear that letter on his costume tho (just his family crest).

He isnt Alphabet man either showing off the letter of the day.

And the real letter S (or in Kryptonian \8/) isnt even in the El family name. Infact Jorel, Zorel, Lara, Kara and Kal dont even have it in their first names... thats why the \S/ symbol always represented the El family line (since it doesnt mean S the letter).

Can you repeat that? :confused:

[Kane]

It basically means if \8/ means 'S' in Kryptonian....its kinda strange. Why would Jorel put that \8/ (letter S) on Clark's chest? What does letter 'S' stand for? And its not 'Superman' because thats a name given to him by the people (namely Lois).

It wouldnt make sense for the \8/ (meaning letter S) to be crest of the El family either because how is that letter significant at all?

\S/ is the true family crest and it doesnt mean the letter S in Kryptonian. \S/ stands for the house of the El family.

When Lois sees the \S/ on Kal-El's suit, she gives him the name Superman because she mistakes the crest for the letter S.

[KalKai]

Jor-El said "This is the mark of your ancestors, you cannot fight it Kal-El."

http://theages.superman.ws/bottle-city/kryptonian-guide-big-black.gif

[Kane]

But \8/ shouldnt be the mark of his ancestors though. Thats my point. \S/ is that mark in everything else. \S/ isnt a letter, it actually stands for the house of El.

\8/ just means the letter 'S'. Why would the house of El name their house after the letter 'S' ?? It doesnt jive well.

[Ultimate_Superman]

But \8/ shouldnt be the mark of his ancestors though. Thats my point. \S/ is that mark in everything else. \S/ isnt a letter, it actually stands for the house of El.

\8/ just means the letter 'S'. Why would the house of El name their house after the letter 'S' ?? It doesnt jive well.I don't think she gets your point. I think they are thinking you dont know what it means when you are in turn saying why is the house symbol the letter S it should mean something if that was their house symol not just the letter S. But in turn SV IMO SV is using that symbol as their house symbol because of S:TM. When in Birthright they say that symbol \S/ not \8/ means something more then that because they carried it on their flags and banners.

[Milkman95]

The show has taken liberties, oh well. I really don't like the \8/ either, but oh well...........nice manips though...

[LexCorp]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/artistwell.jpg

I liked this one....

[The Caped Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/artistwell.jpg

I liked this one....

Me too, that one is pretty cool :up: :supes:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

made a manip :)

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8775/4645qi.jpg


SuperbatmanElvis :up:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Here are some older T-manips from my manip thread (which ended up spawning manip threads all over the interenet, lol)

These range from conceptual, to cool, and some are just funny manips. Some of these are like 3 years old now!

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/slimboyross/supertomfly.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/wellingwish.jpg http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/mmoodytom.jpg http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/cloud_light.jpg http://img24.photobucket.com/albums/v71/yarrum/welling_supes.jpg http://img66.photobucket.com/albums/v200/mesparrago/Art11810.jpg

[krpton2]

Tom Welling as supes, never.

[LL2K2]

Tom Welling as supes, never.

*cough*Series Finale*cough*

Quick, anybody have that AlMiles interview?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

*cough*Series Finale*cough*

Quick, anybody have that AlMiles interview?

Yeah it's on a memo from, last year ;)

[LL2K2]

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/2279/2/

Got it, thanks. (Actually, it's from this past September, so...) :)

[krpton2]

Tom Welling will make a good supes, but it will never happen.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Tom Welling will make a good supes, but it will never happen.


I dunno, he's ok for tv. I could never see him being good for a real Superman movie in the theatres, but I think he'd be alright for a tv show. Then again it would really just be L&C anyways which we've had already.

[krpton2]

Very true.

[AllThingsComic]

I don't know if it's just from watching him over the years building towards Superman, but I think TW has that goodguy boyscout mentality about him that would make him fit the role, wether it be on the small or the big screen?
Maybe I've just grown comfortable with the association of TW and Supes? I don't know either way, I think it would have been cool.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't know if it's just from watching him over the years building towards Superman, but I think TW has that goodguy boyscout mentality about him that would make him fit the role, wether it be on the small or the big screen?
Maybe I've just grown comfortable with the association of TW and Supes? I don't know either way, I think it would have been cool.True but I just see him turning out more like Dean Cain's Superman where you can't tell the two apart(acting wise).

[LexCorp]

True but I just see him turning out more like Dean Cain's Superman where you can't tell the two apart(acting wise).

True TW could turn out like that. But we have not seen him as Daily Planet Clark yet. I do not think we will see the extreme dorky and bumbling Clark in Smallville but I always assume that he could pull that off and I give him the benefit of the doubt.

[AllThingsComic]

as long as he looks like this, i'll be happy

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e32/joe11385/realsuperman1.jpg

[LexCorp]

n/m

What does n/m mean? :confused: sorry..........

[AllThingsComic]

I just think going with the whole different continuity thing, it would be cool to go with this costume, seperate itself from the movie.

[AllThingsComic]

N/m was supposed to be nevermind because I did the manip wrong and it didn't come out. sorry about that.

[LexCorp]

N/m was supposed to be nevermind because I did the manip wrong and it didn't come out. sorry about that.

That's cool. Every now and then I come across abbreviations I don't get.

[Kane]

I just think going with the whole different continuity thing, it would be cool to go with this costume, seperate itself from the movie.

He'll wear the old traditional costume, its pretty obvious. But regardless of what he wears, it wont matter to the new movies. He'll only wear it for a brief period in the very final episode anyways and after that...Smallville wont even matter anymore.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I do wonder if the \S/ will look at little like SR. And before you SV fans can say it will not you do not know this since the FOS already looks like the one from SR and things dealing with Superman in that manor has to fall in close to the movie.

[dark_b]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/welling_undiescopy.jpg [/quote]

this is just wrooooooooooooooong :eek::):up:

[Kane]

I do wonder if the \S/ will look at little like SR. And before you SV fans can say it will not you do not know this since the FOS already looks like the one from SR and things dealing with Superman in that manor has to fall in close to the movie.

It probably wont. Just a standard generic \S/ or maybe theyll surprise us with an \8/ :down

[LexCorp]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/welling_undiescopy.jpg

this is just wrooooooooooooooong :eek::):up:[/quote]

Very wrong!!! yuk!! gave me nightmares

[AgentPat]

He'll wear the old traditional costume, its pretty obvious. But regardless of what he wears, it wont matter to the new movies. He'll only wear it for a brief period in the very final episode anyways and after that... Smallville wont even matter anymore.SV is on course to be the longest running show in television history based on a comic book character. I think it's funny how some "fans" can so easily write that off - and in such a demeaning way - when the truth of the matter is, nobody knows what's in the show's future or what impact it might have to the Superman franchise in general until we're on the other side looking back.



Unless you happen to have one of these...

http://www.bekijkhetmaar.net/TGR/uploads/ArtPicBig_2904_2712-200.jpg

[LexCorp]

SV is on course to be the longest running show in television history based on a comic book character. I think it's funny how some "fans" can so easily write that off - and in such a demeaning way - when the truth of the matter is, nobody knows what's in the show's future or what impact it might have to the Superman franchise in general until we're on the other side looking back.



Unless you happen to have one of these...

http://www.bekijkhetmaar.net/TGR/uploads/ArtPicBig_2904_2712-200.jpg

I have one of those. You are right it's not all about how the show will eventualy end and the impact of it. Anyway I like this manip....but the hair bugs me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/cloud.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

SV is on course to be the longest running show in television history based on a comic book character. I think it's funny how some "fans" can so easily write that off - and in such a demeaning way - when the truth of the matter is, nobody knows what's in the show's future or what impact it might have to the Superman franchise in general until we're on the other side looking back.



Unless you happen to have one of these...

http://www.bekijkhetmaar.net/TGR/uploads/ArtPicBig_2904_2712-200.jpgIt wont have any inpact the only inpact the show has had so far was bring Black Kryptonite into the comics which upset alot of readers who were already pissed off how Supergirl was being done. The black K just added more fuel to the fire. The only Superman TV show that had a huge impact was Lois and Clark and because of that show we now have Superman and Lois married. SV is great but with the movies out now there will be nothing after it unless they want to do a follow up in All-Star Superman. I mean for you dont you think if that was the case we would see a Batman series? I mean hey the movie did so well, why not have a series? The only reason SV is still on is because it came first once the last 1 or 2 seasons are done thats it for the series it will live on with the DVD's but other then that I doubt we'll see a full time Superman series until the 3 movies have ran their course.

[AgentPat]

It wont have any impact the only impact the show has had so far was bring Black Kryptonite into the comics which upset alot of readers who were already pissed off how Supergirl was being done. The black K just added more fuel to the fire. The only Superman TV show that had a huge impact was Lois and Clark and because of that show we now have Superman and Lois married. SV is great but with the movies out now there will be nothing after it unless they want to do a follow up in All-Star Superman. I mean for you don't you think if that was the case we would see a Batman series? I mean hey the movie did so well, why not have a series? The only reason SV is still on is because it came first once the last 1 or 2 seasons are done thats it for the series it will live on with the DVD's but other then that I doubt we'll see a full time Superman series until the 3 movies have ran their course.:confused:

You can't honestly be saying the ONLY impact SV has had to the Superman mythology and fans thereof is the addition of Black K to the comics? Are you really saying that?

As far as what's to come, how 'bout we wait till AFTER the film unspools before hoisting SR up onto a shiny pedestal and bowing before its impeachable greatness to assimilate all things Superman under the new order?

[gdw]

How about how Lex and Clark were friends in smallville? That was readded.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:confused:

You can't honestly be saying the ONLY impact SV has had to the Superman mythology and fans thereof is the addition of Black K to the comics? Are you really saying that?

As far as what's to come, how 'bout we wait till AFTER the film unspools before hoisting SR up onto a shiny pedestal and bowing before its impeachable greatness to assimilate all things Superman under the new order?Yes I can because as far as the comics that is the only impact it will and can have. Now yes we can say SV is a a great show and all but thats were it will end in Smallville it will not go on past that. Superman Returns won't even have an impact on the comics expect for the new look of the Daily Planet (not unless the rumors are true of Lois in the comics having a kid). I am not saying one is better then the other but I am saying you have a better chance of flying before they put 2 different live Supermen out there for the public.

[krpton2]

Nice post Montana.

[Ultimate_Superman]

How about how Lex and Clark were friends in smallville? That was readded.As far as Clark and Lex being friends that was Lex first origin so it was brought back just like the rest of silver age Superman. SV had nothing to do with that.

[Zing79]

Yes I can because as far as the comics that is the only impact it will and can have. Now yes we can say SV is a a great show and all but thats were it will end in Smallville it will not go on past that. Superman Returns won't even have an impact on the comics expect for the new look of the Daily Planet (not unless the rumors are true of Lois in the comics having a kid). I am not saying one is better then the other but I am saying you have a better chance of flying before they put 2 different live Supermen out there for the public.
uh huh
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/phd/PHD348/SS44001.JPG
That has never been known to cause people to do what they said they would NEEEEEVER do.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I can think of several things SV achieved as a tv series and on the overall Superman history:
- First non-campy live action superhero tv show
- first Superman tv show with the presence of actors from the legendary movies including Christopher Reeve who always refused to participate in the other shows or even Supergirl movie.
- actually uses other characters from the DC Universe other than Superman and Batman in episodes that have such an impact that almost imediatly after we hear that Warner plans do to movies/shows based on them (examp. The Flash, Aquaman).
- The show has such an impact and turns into such a money maker (the company's biggest selling product - makes 100 million in dvd sales alone) for Warner that for the first time in years (around 2002) Warner decides to go ahead with a new Superman movie. Smallville is the big reason for us getting a new movie right now.
- the show's star Tom Welling makes such an impact on the public who falls in love with his more human and original portray of the character, that he is the favourite of the majority of the public to get the Superman role in the new movie. He won several polls against all comers inclunding Brandon Routh. Even Christopher Reeve made a point to calling Warner's president to tell him that Welling was his choice, thus garnering him an audition around the time the movie was under McG's regime.
- Bryan Singer decides to not do an origin story and do a movie that doesn't conflict with Smallville.
- Reintroduces the fact (that hadn't been around since the silver age I think)that Clark and Lex know each other from Smallville where they were friends when they were younger in the comic books and push for a new origin story (Birthright) to be released for the new generation of fans.
- After much protest against the film's casting, for the first time the producers of the show admit that we will see Tom Welling wear the suit at the end of the show.
- Acording to DC's president SV has made as much or more impact in this generation as George Reeve's show.


There are probably more things but these come to mind.

[AllThingsComic]

Well said Bruce.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I can think of several things SV achieved as a tv series and on the overall Superman history:
- First non-campy live action superhero tv show
- first Superman tv show with the presence of actors from the legendary movies including Christopher Reeve who always refused to participate in the other shows or even Supergirl movie.
- actually uses other characters from the DC Universe other than Superman and Batman in episodes that have such an impact that almost imediatly after we hear that Warner plans do to movies/shows based on them (examp. The Flash, Aquaman).
- The show has such an impact and turns into such a money maker (the company's biggest selling product - makes 100 million in dvd sales alone) for Warner that for the first time in years (around 2002) Warner decides to go ahead with a new Superman movie. Smallville is the big reason for us getting a new movie right now.
- the show's star Tom Welling makes such an impact on the public who falls in love with his more human and original portray of the character, that he is the favourite of the majority of the public to get the Superman role in the new movie. He won several polls against all comers inclunding Brandon Routh. Even Christopher Reeve made a point to calling Warner's president to tell him that Welling was his choice, thus garnering him an audition around the time the movie was under McG's regime.
- Bryan Singer decides to not do an origin story and do a movie that doesn't conflict with Smallville.
- Reintroduces the fact (that hadn't been around since the silver age I think)that Clark and Lex know each other from Smallville where they were friends when they were younger in the comic books and push for a new origin story (Birthright) to be released for the new generation of fans.
- After much protest against the film's casting, for the first time the producers of the show admit that we will see Tom Welling wear the suit at the end of the show.
- Acording to DC's president SV has made as much or more impact in this generation as George Reeve's show.


There are probably more things but these come to mind.All vaild and good points. All I am saying SV impact on Superman will last as long as the show last and thats it. The only thing from Superman that is not part of the comics that will last is Reeve for he was Superman. SV after it runs it course will die out because when the last season of SV airs you still have 2 Superman movies and in talks a Superman/Batman movie that will over shadow it because lets face more people care about him as Superman then before he was Superman. As I said before SV is a great show but it has not left anything long lasting on Superman. Take SV inpact on the comics for example everything they tried to add from SV into the comics the fans had a problem with.

1. You redo Lex's origin now yes I like it. But in turn you take out so many other things people loved about Lex (Perry's son is real Lex, Lex's daughter, Lex and Perry battles, etc)

2. You try to write Superman to act more like Welling. What happens many fans complain (Superman whines to much, Superman doubts himself to much, Superman is to *****y

3. You add Black K to Superman what did you get (Why the F did they puck this in there this is not SV, Keep SV out of the comics, Why the hell is this here its stupid and pointless)

This just some of the reactions you get when you try to expand on SV or make it have a bigger impact then it already does and I am not the only one who thinks this. As I say as a show SV is great but as anything else it is just a show. Just like Adam West Batman or Reeves Superman. It will never be anything more. See the problem I think is people try to think this show will reach the levels of Superman: The Movie and Superman II and it will come no where as close. Thats the problem I think Welling is great for what he has done but other then that this show will fade just any other show because all it is about is Superman's time in Smallville which has been changed more times then one. All you need to know is Superman came from Krypton, was found be a kind couple and he is now Superman because his origin has been done to death. All people care about is what he has done after SV. Now thats all I am saying yes SV is a great show I am not taking anything away from that. What I am saying is though it will not have the impact most will think.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am not taking anything away from SV I am just saying it is more in the leauge of S:TAS or B:TAS(although many bat-fans would disagree) or JLU or Xmen:TAS or Spider-Man:TAS. Thats what I am saying shows that were great and be remembered as being great show but after that dont expect to much.

[KalKai]

Yes Tony what you're saying is just your opinion. I honestly don't care about the comics or SV's impact on the comics, they aren't important to me, but before saying anything, wait until SV ends, then we'll see.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes Tony what you're saying is just your opinion. I honestly don't care about the comics or SV's impact on the comics, they aren't important to me, but before saying anything, wait until SV ends, then we'll see.I am not saying just impact on the comics but impact over all. Though the comics do matter the most because thats where it counts the most. Once again I am not taking anything away from the show but I just doubt it will have as huge of an impact as most think.

[Zing79]

All vaild and good points. All I am saying SV impact on Superman will last as long as the show last and thats it. The only thing from Superman that is not part of the comics that will last is Reeve for he was Superman. SV after it runs it course will die out because when the last season of SV airs you still have 2 Superman movies and in talks a Superman/Batman movie that will over shadow it because lets face more people care about him as Superman then before he was Superman. As I said before SV is a great show but it has not left anything long lasting on Superman. Take SV inpact on the comics for example everything they tried to add from SV into the comics the fans had a problem with.

1. You redo Lex's origin now yes I like it. But in turn you take out so many other things people loved about Lex (Perry's son is real Lex, Lex's daughter, Lex and Perry battles, etc)

2. You try to write Superman to act more like Welling. What happens many fans complain (Superman whines to much, Superman doubts himself to much, Superman is to *****y

3. You add Black K to Superman what did you get (Why the F did they puck this in there this is not SV, Keep SV out of the comics, Why the hell is this here its stupid and pointless)

This just some of the reactions you get when you try to expand on SV or make it have a bigger impact then it already does and I am not the only one who thinks this. As I say as a show SV is great but as anything else it is just a show. Just like Adam West Batman or Reeves Superman. It will never be anything more. See the problem I think is people try to think this show will reach the levels of Superman: The Movie and Superman II and it will come no where as close. Thats the problem I think Welling is great for what he has done but other then that this show will fade just any other show because all it is about is Superman's time in Smallville which has been changed more times then one. All you need to know is Superman came from Krypton, was found be a kind couple and he is now Superman because his origin has been done to death. All people care about is what he has done after SV. Now thats all I am saying yes SV is a great show I am not taking anything away from that. What I am saying is though it will not have the impact most will think.
There's one small flaw in your line of thinking. With already established fans you are probably at or near being right on. What you haven't accounted for is the hundreds of thousands (and more then likely millions) of NEW fans that are being taught about Clark Kent and his mythology thanks to SV.

This contingent has money -- LOTS of it. They're part of the most sought after demographic: Teens. And if the only way to get their money is to pander to SV (and have it impact the Superman mythology), then sho' 'nuff the pandering shall commence.

[Ultimate_Superman]

There's one small flaw in your line of thinking. With already established fans you are probably at or near being right on. What you haven't accounted for is the hundreds of thousands (and more then likely millions) of NEW fans that are being taught about Clark Kent and his mythology thanks to SV.

This contingent has money -- LOTS of it. They're part of the most sought after demographic: Teens. And if the only way to get their money is to pander to SV (and have it impact the Superman mythology), then sho' 'nuff the pandering shall commence.And there we agree. But my thing is if SV was ment to have a huge impact the Superman mythology we would have seen it by now. Kingdom Come that has had a bigger impact, Superman: For All Seasons has had a bigger impact. I agree with you Zing on everything you have said but I feel if SV is to have this big impact of the mythology as some my think then we would have seen it by now like how we did with Lois and Clark.

[Zing79]

And there we agree. But my thing is if SV was ment to have a huge impact the Superman mythology we would have seen it by now. Kingdom Come that has had a bigger impact, Superman: For All Seasons has had a bigger impact. I agree with you Zing on everything you have said but I feel if SV is to have this big impact of the mythology as some my think then we would have seen it by now like how we did with Lois and Clark.
I'm still unsure how much of an impact SV will have on the mythology, but SR's Gross will ultimately decide SV's long lasting fate. I think WB has made a conscious decision to split their relatively large pie, into two pieces capable of making more cash if they're separated.
SV + SR will probably make WB more cash then either SV or SR alone could have. It won't take long for us to find that out either. If SR doesn't outgross Spiderman's North American B.O of 403 mil, you can point the finger straight at the millions of teen SV fans who probably saw SR once but didn't go see it again and again.

If SR does somewhere around 350 mil WB will have to think long and hard about what to do with SV, and how to keep making money from it. That in turn may mean it has more of an impact on the mythology.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm still unsure how much of an impact SV will have on the mythology, but SR's Gross will ultimately decide SV's long lasting fate. I think WB has made a conscious decision to split their relatively large pie, into two pieces capable of making more cash if they're separated.
SV + SR will probably make WB more cash then either SV or SR alone could have. It won't take long for us to find that out either. If SR doesn't outgross Spiderman's North American B.O of 403 mil, you can point the finger straight at the millions of teen SV fans who probably saw SR once but didn't go see it again and again.

If SR does somewhere around 350 mil WB will have to think long and hard about what to do with SV, and how to keep making money from it. That in turn may mean it has more of an impact on the mythology.Good Point:up: but SR DVD sales will play just as big of a part like how Punishers did.

[AgentPat]

Yes I can because as far as the comics that is the only impact it will and can have...I am not saying just impact on the comics but impact over all.Well which is it? :p

And can somebody *please* explain what any of this has to do with the price of tea in China? Or Superman manips of TW? Or WHY there couldn't be two versions of Superman (television and film) at the same time if there's millions of dollars to be made from both?

Though the comics do matter the most because thats where it counts the most.http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/eyebrow.gif

HUH? What the heck are you talking 'bout, Tony? Besides a few thousand ardent comic book readers, who CARES what influence SV - or SR for that matter - has on comic books? Seriously? Comic books usually provide the foundation for TV/film, not the other way around (though there is some cross spill over). Point is, the latter two mediums are probably hundreds of millions of dollars more lucrative than the business of pulp fiction publishing.

[avidreader]

I love reading your answers Pat. They're just too damn logical. :)

[AgentPat]

Good Point:up: but SR DVD sales will play just as big of a part like how Punishers did.I wish I understood the point of this conversation since number crunching is right up my alley.

SR DVDs. Yeah? And? SV has 'em too, y'know? New box sets are made and sold Every. Year. What's gonna make more money, hmm? Here's a brief comparison with BB from Amazon.com as it stands right NOW:

Season 4, SV
Amazon sales rank: #447
Sells for $44.86
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009A5MUO/

Batman Begins (letterbox)
Amazon sales rank: #635
Sells for $17.38
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005JNJV/

Batman Begins (widescreen)
Amazon sales rank: #951
Sells for $17.38
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AU9UYC/

Somebody do the math. I'm too lazy and want to go home. [waves] :D

[Zing79]

I wish I understood the point of this conversation since number crunching is right up my alley.

SR DVDs. Yeah? And? SV has 'em too, y'know? New box sets are made and sold Every. Year. What's gonna make more money, hmm? Here's a brief comparison with BB from Amazon.com as it stands right NOW:

Season 4, SV
Amazon sales rank: #447
Sells for $44.86
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009A5MUO/

Batman Begins (letterbox)
Amazon sales rank: #635
Sells for $17.38
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005JNJV/

Batman Begins (widescreen)
Amazon sales rank: #951
Sells for $17.38
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AU9UYC/

Somebody do the math. I'm too lazy and want to go home. [waves] :D
http://www.spysource.net/cash-cow.jpg
And THAT is the sole reason why everything is off limits for SV (at least until it starts making substancially less then it does now)

[gdw]

As far as Clark and Lex being friends that was Lex first origin so it was brought back just like the rest of silver age Superman. SV had nothing to do with that.

Uh huh, and the fact that it was re-introduced coinciding with Smalllville in a series which drew several influences from the show has nothing to do with it???

Sure SV had nothing at all to do with it.

[Scooter]

Some fans can be such drama queens over this stuff. The split in the fanbase really irritates me. As a long-time Superman fan, I really don't get some of the rampant Smallville hate, at all. "Raping the character"? "A selfish murderer who has no right to claim the Superman mantle"? Are you friggin' ****ting me? My that logic, Oscar Schindler was a shameless Nazi war-profiteer and Mahatma Ghandi was selfish prima donna with body image issues.

Anyway, felt like getting that off my chest, it just bugs me.

[TKodami]

Some fans can be such drama queens over this stuff. The split in the fanbase really irritates me. As a long-time Superman fan, I really don't get some of the rampant Smallville hate, at all. "Raping the character"? "A selfish murderer who has no right to claim the Superman mantle"? Are you friggin' ****ting me? My that logic, Oscar Schindler was a shameless Nazi war-profiteer and Mahatma Ghandi was selfish prima donna with body image issues.

Anyway, felt like getting that off my chest, it just bugs me.

I know exactly what you mean. I just finished wading through the Superman Returns Prequel Comic thread...and...wow...so many people just don't get Smallville's Clark. They are entitled to their opinion--but I wonder why they don't give him the benefit of the doubt.

I had this same argument with my brother when he saw Reckoning for the first time. He whined, "Why did he have to go back and save Lana??" Simple response: "Because he wouldn't be Superman if he didn't try."

[O'Haire]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/D_Thompson/66244204246_873201.jpg

Here ya go. Just finished today.:)

[The Kid]

Wow you're really good with a pencil.
My only complaint is the lack of superman's hair style and the almost too feminine way he looks, but can't fault the art. It's so nicely done.

[KalKai]

Fantastic work, I just visited your art thread, you're really good.

Wesyeed he used this picture

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5668/smallville02335du.jpg

[O'Haire]

Fantastic work, I just visited your art thread, you're really good.

Wesyeed he used this picture

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5668/smallville02335du.jpg

Yep. It's really the only one I could find that would go well with the pic I wanted to do.

[AgentPat]

...I had this same argument with my brother when he saw Reckoning for the first time. He whined, "Why did he have to go back and save Lana??" Simple response: "Because he wouldn't be Superman if he didn't try."THANK YOU!!

I got tired of arguing too. Took me the better part of the morning just to *read* that thread. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo... New and improved:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade12.jpg

Maybe somebody can put the shield logo on the cape?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/D_Thompson/66244204246_873201.jpg

Here ya go. Just finished today.:)That's an amazing drawing. Nice work! :up:



...that choking neckline on the SR costume though.... Gah! :(

[GothicPowerMix1]

Fantastic work, I just visited your art thread, you're really good.

Wesyeed he used this picture

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5668/smallville02335du.jpg

You know I just realized a certain Superman has a Picture out there doing a similiar Pose

[Kane]

SV is on course to be the longest running show in television history based on a comic book character. I think it's funny how some "fans" can so easily write that off - and in such a demeaning way - when the truth of the matter is, nobody knows what's in the show's future or what impact it might have to the Superman franchise in general until we're on the other side looking back.


My point was once its over its over...so all that debating which the poster I responded to was describing wont matter anymore.

[Serene]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/D_Thompson/66244204246_873201.jpg

Here ya go. Just finished today.:)

Very impressive! :up:
Do you take requests? :D

[LL2K2]

Anyhoo... New and improved:

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/crusade12.jpg

Maybe somebody can put the shield logo on the cape?

Pat, do you have a screen cap of the scene before that? The one where Lois is explaining to the triage nurse, "Slight problem...he's got amnesia..."? For some reason, I imagine that red blanket with an \S/ on it...:O

[AgentPat]

Pat, do you have a screen cap of the scene before that? The one where Lois is explaining to the triage nurse, "Slight problem...he's got amnesia..."? For some reason, I imagine that red blanket with an \S/ on it...:OI don't have one at the moment, but I can make one later. IIRC, his back is to the camera in that scene and you can't see his face, which is probably why I never capped it initially - it could be anybody with a wide back under the blanket.

[dark_b]

SV is on course to be the longest running show in television history based on a comic book character. I think it's funny how some "fans" can so easily write that off - and in such a demeaning way - when the truth of the matter is, nobody knows what's in the show's future or what impact it might have to the Superman franchise in general until we're on the other side looking back.

how many shows based on a comic book character didi we have? not so many.

[smsvmos]

how many shows based on a comic book character didi we have? not so many.


Just to name a few:

The Flash
Lois & Clark
Adventures of Superman (Old Superman series)
Superboy
Batman & Robin (West Series)
Birds of Pray

and that just from DC Comics minues a few others about Superman and Batman and if I take on the other series which are not DC related I can keep on goin a bit more

[AllThingsComic]

Spiderman(70's version), Hulk, Shazam, Wonderwoman, The Green Hornet(was this a comic first?? alittle before my time?)

[smsvmos]

Spiderman(70's version), Hulk, Shazam, Wonderwoman, The Green Hornet(was this a comic first?? alittle before my time?)

Thanx for those :D I forgot all about them

[AllThingsComic]

Cool, just adding to the list. Sure there's more just can't think right now.

[AgentPat]

how many shows based on a comic book character didi we have? not so many.:rolleyes:

More shows than Singer has directed films. How's that for an answer? :p

Oh, you were being serious? Aight.

Besides Smallville? Well, here's my list. I believe the following were all live action TV shows. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

Adventures of Superman
Superboy
Lois & Clark
Batman
The Incredible Hulk
Wonder Woman
The Amazing Spider-Man
Birds of Prey
Witchblade
Mutant X
The Green Hornet
Shazam!
My Secret Identity
Dr. Strange
The Flash (1990)
The Fantastic Four (1967)
Captain America (1966)
The Sub-Mariner (1966)
The Crow: Stairway to Heaven (not sure which came first - the film or the comic book?)

I claim ignorance on the animated shows. Besides, there's too many to list anyway.

[AllThingsComic]

Wow there was a live action Sub-Mariner? Never knew that, awesome.

[avidreader]

Was The Man from Atlantis loosely based on Aquaman?

[AgentPat]

Was The Man from Atlantis loosely based on Aquaman?Mmm.... I watched that show, religiously in fact. I wouldn't say it was based on Aquaman, loosely or otherwise. The character, "Mark Harris," washed up on a beach after a storm in the Pilot. When the bio data about him was fed into a computer, the computer defaulted his origin as "last survivor of Atlantis." LOL It was a good show. They should have gotten Patrick Duffy to be in the new Aquaman series as the kid's father. That would have been too funny - but appropriate. Ah vell. 'Nutha opportunity down the drain. Pun intended. ;)

[Kane]

I think the Superman-based tv shows will always last the longest on top of those other horrible shows.

America just loves Superman... the popularity of this silly character in american history still baffles me today but they love him.

[avidreader]

Mmm.... I watched that show, religiously in fact. I wouldn't say it was based on Aquaman, loosely or otherwise. The character, "Mark Harris," washed up on a beach after a storm in the Pilot. When the bio data about him was fed into a computer, the computer defaulted his origin as "last survivor of Atlantis." LOL It was a good show. They should have gotten Patrick Duffy to be in the new Aquaman series as the kid's father. That would have been too funny - but appropriate. Ah vell. 'Nutha opportunity down the drain. Pun intended. ;)

Thanks for that. :) I remember that show quite well, but I couldnt remember the plot of it all.

Patrick Duffy would have been cool for Aquaman's dad. I see they've got Ritchie Valin playing it though. ;) Isnt he Hyspanic? I wonder how that will go. :rolleyes:

[Kane]

What does his race have to do with anything? Orin is adopted by him.

[avidreader]

What does his race have to do with anything? Orin is adopted by him.

Well excuse my ignorance, I didnt know he was adopted. I thought it was his birth father.

[Kane]

Well its not a big deal anyways. It sounds like theyve changed a load from the source material anyways.

The Mclaffery character and the Lana 2.0 character are the only ones that worry me.