Of Angels and Devils: Symbolic imagery in SMALLVILLE

[AgentPat]

This thread is by popular request! :)

Symbolism in SV is ubiquitous. Religious and spiritual metaphors often share the same stage with general references to the Superman mythos. Here are a few images to start us off. These don't require any explanation...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot2.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/gone.jpg

Next? :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

most of mine are on my home computer, heres one I do have here:

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season4/406/Transference628.jpg

[darkzombiemutt]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/gone.jpg

That is a very cleaver shot by them, the lighting is perfect.

[triplet]

That is a very cleaver shot by them, the lighting is perfect.

Actually, that's one thing the show does very consistantly well: the lighting.

My hubby is a lighting designer so I notice these things...

I think Memoria is proabably one of the better examples of how well the DP lights the show.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

What do you guys use to print screen? I know I can press the print screen on my keyboard but it doesnt work to capture from a DIVX.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Quicktime Pro

[Dr Magneto Doom]

Thanks dude :)

Here are some more, not sure if they count but anyways:

http://www.wtfhost.com/userfiles/Meownica/Ray/Sups01.JPG
http://www.wtfhost.com/userfiles/Meownica/Ray/Sups02.JPG
http://www.wtfhost.com/userfiles/Meownica/Ray/Sups03.JPG

[The Incredible Hulk]

Here's one thats a little tough to see in this cap from "Prodigal". I'm not home so I cant cap it myself maybe someone else can grab a better one, however if you look closely you should see it. Interesting choice of farm tool they gave Lex no?

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/215/Prodigal_348.jpg

[AgentPat]

These are REALLY good!! This is a great thread. Keep 'em coming guys!

[darkzombiemutt]

good eye hulk, thats a good one.

[triplet]

Quicktime Pro

You can use Quicktime Pro to screen cap?

Mmmm... I have that and never tried that. How do you do that?

[The Incredible Hulk]

here's another one from "Perry" they seem to like the use of the bright light coming into the darkness. The beer sign off to the side makes it a bit humorous..

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/305/Perry_0319.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

You can use Quicktime Pro to screen cap?

Mmmm... I have that and never tried that. How do you do that?


I dont have it here at work to tell you you exactly how to do it, but I believe there's a "save frame" or "export frame" option that allows you to do it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

dont know if I'm pushing the "Jesus" thing on this one. Also from "Perry" BTW

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/305/Perry_0782.jpg

[triplet]

I dont have it here at work to tell you you exactly how to do it, but I believe there's a "save frame" or "export frame" option that allows you to do it.

I have Power DVD at home which allows you to cap, my computer at work has Intervideo DVD and that doesn't do that....

[The Incredible Hulk]

Here's another few from Rosetta. Interesting pose

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/217/Rosetta_038.jpg

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/217/Rosetta_186.jpg

[Dr Magneto Doom]

dont know if I'm pushing the "Jesus" thing on this one. Also from "Perry" BTW

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/305/Perry_0782.jpg

lol that one is pushing it I think :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

thought this one was another good example. Check out the fire plus that face on the wall above it. From "Precipice"

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/219/normal_Precipice_693.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

Exodus. rather heavenly

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/223/normal_Exodus_260.jpg

[Flash48]

I cant exactly find the picture but in the episode Stray could possibly be a picture. When he punches through the garbage truck and recues ryan in the light

[The Incredible Hulk]

One of my favorite scenes of all time from "Hourglass". Very evil...

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season1/106/normal_Hourglass_769.jpg

[Serene]

Neat thread! I feel like I have to go back and look at all the caps so I can contribute now.
Can I just add that I think Clark looks angelic in almost all his scenes? :D

Btw.. spoilers for the Finale are up on K-site...

[Lara]

I'm impressed I hadn't noticed alot of these.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

Neat thread! I feel like I have to go back and look at all the caps so I can contribute now.
Can I just add that I think Clark looks angelic in almost all his scenes? :D

Btw.. spoilers for the Finale are up on K-site...

The Finale spoilers are whoa, sounds like a crazy episode...

[triplet]

The Finale spoilers are whoa, sounds like a crazy episode...

It's like... <triplet pulls her best Keanu Reeves imitation>

WHOA!

[Serene]

Hey trip - I'm on my way out.. but wasn't there a scene we talked about way back when that was very Pieta'-like? I remember because it's one of my favorite art pieces and we posted a picture of it in comparison.. I think. :confused:

[AgentPat]

Hey trip - I'm on my way out.. but wasn't there a scene we talked about way back when that was very Pieta'-like? I remember because it's one of my favorite art pieces and we posted a picture of it in comparison.. I think. :confused:This one?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/slumber3.jpg

:D

There's also the scene in Crusade, right after the Clark and Kal-El struggle. Martha comforts an exhausted but reposed Clark on the cave floor. She holds his head and brushes his hair off his face as the camera dollies back and the scene fades out. I don't have that cap handy, but it's quite nice. :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Here's a few from "Crisis", the first one leads into the second. Sort of appropraite for Good Friday no?

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/316/normal_crisis_0491.jpg

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/316/normal_crisis_0517.jpg

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/316/crisis_0528.jpg

[darkzombiemutt]

This thread is one of the best threads Ive seen in a long time. Good work people.

[I_am_budders]

Great topic idea, I love to see what everyone's posting.

[triplet]

This one?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/slumber3.jpg

:D

That's the one. :up:


There's also the scene in Crusade, right after the Clark and Kal-El struggle. Martha comforts an exhausted but reposed Clark on the cave floor. She holds his head and brushes his hair off his face as the camera dollies back and the scene fades out. I don't have that cap handy, but it's quite nice. :)

You mean this one?

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/9196/crusade5004sc.jpg

[AgentPat]

This thread is one of the best threads Ive seen in a long time. Good work people.DITTO!! I'm really enjoying the photos in this thread.

You mean this one?

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/9196/crusade5004sc.jpgYup, that's it. It's not as "Pieta'-ish" as the other one, but it still has that deep, emotional feel. I dunno. Yeah, I'm reaching, but I do love that scene. :)

[triplet]

DITTO!! I'm really enjoying the photos in this thread.

Yup, that's it. It's not as "Pieta'-ish" as the other one, but it still has that deep, emotional feel. I dunno. Yeah, I'm reaching, but I do love that scene. :)

Yeah, me too..

:sigh:

[Spider-Gamer]

Nice Thread. Keep them pictures coming! :cool:

[The Incredible Hulk]

"Resurrection" - Martha and/or Clark are always shown near this window in the hospital. Lex and Lionel are usually never seen near it unless its with Clark.

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/315/normal_resurrection_0431.jpg

"Truth"
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/318/normal_truth_0383.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

now compare this to a typical Luthor scene backdrop:

"Skinwalker" - the "demonic" face

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/210/normal_Skinwalker_200.jpg

"Precipice"

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/219/Precipice_712.jpg

nothing good ever happens by the fireplace.... The only time Clark was scene near it is when he was on Red K

[Spider-Gamer]

Nice. :cool:

[rumpuso]

Dear God I love this show. It's just so smart!

Great thread...don't know why I haven't checked it out until this morning.

[Squatlow]

"Resurrection" - Martha and/or Clark are always shown near this window in the hospital. Lex and Lionel are usually never seen near it unless its with Clark.

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/315/normal_resurrection_0431.jpg

"Truth"
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season3/318/normal_truth_0383.jpg

Well, as long as we're going all "X-Files"-ish here looking for symbolic imagery and hidden meanings...:D

I've always thought TPTB/SV delighted in the little "inside jokes" and meanings through out the series.

For example (and as pointed out by many others in this thread), there's the whole "messiah" connection thing going on. In the pictures above I think an obvious one pops out. In both pictures the cherub (little angel) is in the presence of those who know "the secret" (Ma, Pete, and of course Clark), and is clearly (to me anyway) acknowledging that fact ("Shhhhh, its a secret").

However, note in the first picture, the camera angle is such that the little angel appears to actually be facing directly at Ma and Pete. He (the angel) is addressing them directly ("Shhhhh").

In the second picture (and in the presence of the "messiah") the camera angle is such that the angel appears to be averting his gaze downward as though he is unworthy to look at Clark directly. But his message is still the same ("Shhhh, its still a secret").

OK there boyz and girlz, if you think that's a stretch, wait until my next post. (See below)

Disclaimer: All discussions of this show comparing Clark to a messiah, Jesus, Christ, etc are just that...discussions; and as such, are not intended to profane, libel, or otherwise denigrate any actual messiahs (living, dead or otherwise), or other religious icons, or likewise any other supernatural beings, in any form or manner, either printed or spoken, and such comments are to be taken as scholarly discussion only. Further, any reproduction or rebroadcast of this telecast, except with the express written permission of Smallville Minor League Baseball is strictly prohibited.

(had to get that out there...after the elections and this weeks events its not easy being a Agnostic of Branch Vader anymore. Might need to get back in the old "broom closet" again! :D)

[triplet]

Well, as long as we're going all "X-Files"-ish here looking for symbolic imagery and hidden meanings...:D

I've always thought TPTB/SV delighted in the little "inside jokes" and meanings through out the series.

For example (and as pointed out by many others in this thread), there's the whole "messiah" connection thing going on. In the pictures above I think an obvious one pops out. In both pictures the cherub (little angel) is in the presence of those who know "the secret" (Ma, Pete, and of course Clark), and is clearly (to me anyway) acknowledging that fact ("Shhhhh, its a secret").

However, note in the first picture, the camera angle is such that the little angel appears to actually be facing directly at Ma and Pete. He (the angel) is addressing them directly ("Shhhhh").

In the second picture (and in the presence of the "messiah") the camera angle is such that the angel appears to be averting his gaze downward as though he is unworthy to look at Clark directly. But his message is still the same ("Shhhh, its still a secret").

OK there boyz and girlz, if you think that's a stretch, wait until my next post. (See below)

Interesting... Never noticed any of this stuff.


Disclaimer: All discussions of this show comparing Clark to a messiah, Jesus, Christ, etc are just that...discussions; and as such, are not intended to profane, libel, or otherwise denigrate any actual messiahs (living, dead or otherwise), or other religious icons, or likewise any other supernatural beings, in any form or manner, either printed or spoken, and such comments are to be taken as scholarly discussion only. Further, any reproduction or rebroadcast of this telecast, except with the express written permission of Smallville Minor League Baseball is strictly prohibited.

(had to get that out there...after the elections and this weeks events its not easy being a Agnostic of Branch Vader anymore. Might need to get back in the old "broom closet" again! :D)

That disclaimer is frickin' hilarious! :D

You always crack me up....

[Squatlow]

"Precipice"
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/219/Precipice_712.jpg



Now for some real fun...

Please note the painting on the wall through the doorway in the upper right quadrant (good scifi word; quadrant!) of the picture.

Someone with the right software, please zoom in, repixillate, enhance, clarify, etc..etc the picture and tell me thats not good ole' Supes from the waist up, facing right with his cape kinda blowing around him. I've seen several examples of that kind of inside "wink" that I think they (TPTB/SV) stick in the background as "easter eggs" for the fans. Hey, how appropriate is that as today is Easter! (Old Pagan holiday for the record...hey no flames, just fact).

To the one with the right software; we await your brilliant discovery with shock and awe.

[Serene]

This one?

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/slumber3.jpg

Yeah.. thanks. And just for comparison, here's the "original." ;)

http://www.geocities.com/panuwatsuppakul/Pieta.JPG

[AgentPat]

Disclaimer: All discussions of this show comparing Clark to a messiah, Jesus, Christ, etc are just that...discussions; and as such, are not intended to profane, libel, or otherwise denigrate any actual messiahs (living, dead or otherwise), or other religious icons, or likewise any other supernatural beings, in any form or manner, either printed or spoken, and such comments are to be taken as scholarly discussion only. Further, any reproduction or rebroadcast of this telecast, except with the express written permission of Smallville Minor League Baseball is strictly prohibited.HAHAHAHAH!!! :up: :up: :up:

...To the one with the right software; we await your brilliant discovery with shock and awe.Well, I'm trying to see it, but it's like looking at one of those ink blot psych tests and only seeing butterflies. LOL Here's the enlarged version...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/memoria-a.jpg

They're always throwing some nondescript paintings in the background, especially in Lex's mansion. Here's a nice one from Memoria...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/memoria-b.jpg

Also from Memoria, this one kinda looks like they were trying to convey the dragon and St. George story...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/memoria-c.jpg

I tend to notice the statues more. Last one, from Memoria as well...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/memoria-d.jpg

Interesting composition. I'd say they were definitely making a statement with this one. *giggle*

[triplet]

Yeah.. thanks. And just for comparison, here's the "original." ;)

http://www.geocities.com/panuwatsuppakul/Pieta.JPG

:sigh:

That's one of my favorites ever. I love that sculpture.

[The Incredible Hulk]

nice catches :up: I was away most of the weekend, but I'll see what else I can dig up if I get the chance today..

[AgentPat]

nice catches :up: I was away most of the weekend, but I'll see what else I can dig up if I get the chance today..One came to mind this morning, but I don't have the cap handy. I can make it later if nobody else does before me. It's quick, so you have to be ready for it...

In the teaser to Exodus (before the opening credits), Clark goes to the storm cellar when he hears Jor-El's voice. The ship changes shape, rotates, and does some pretty neat things before becoming a globe. Well, right after it stands on edge, it very clearly becomes the shape of a cross. It's pretty unmistakable, but it quickly changes so as not to make it too overt.

[The Incredible Hulk]

this one?

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/223/normal_Exodus_013.jpg

[Serene]

this one?

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/223/normal_Exodus_013.jpg

WHOA!
And a happy belated Easter to you too!
:D

[AgentPat]

this one?

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/223/normal_Exodus_013.jpgYeah, that's the scene. That's pretty good, but there's an even *better* one as the camera pulls around behind the ship and you see Clark in the background. That's the one I was thinking about. I'll cap it tonight. :D

Either way though, see what I mean about it being rather obvious? LOL ;)

[AgentPat]

Another angle on an all-too familiar scene...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot4.jpg

Behind the scenes...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot5.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot7.jpg http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot6.jpg

Looks pretty freakin' cold! ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yeah, that's the scene. That's pretty good, but there's an even *better* one as the camera pulls around behind the ship and you see Clark in the background. That's the one I was thinking about. I'll cap it tonight. :D

Either way though, see what I mean about it being rather obvious? LOL ;)


couldnt find it here. DTS must only cap every 5 seconds or so...

[triplet]

couldnt find it here. DTS must only cap every 5 seconds or so...

Does anyone have a cap of when Clark rescues Ryan from the garbage truck in Stray?

Clark has a halo there....

[The Incredible Hulk]

looked for that one, but DTS's caps pnm Season 1 are sparse. I'll try to dl that ep later and cap it myself..

[supersunpwrmofo]

I suppose the whole Superman mythos does kind of poke fun at the whole Christianity affair. I kind of like that.

I'll take CK over JC as my personal saviour ANY DAY!! oh yeah..

[darkzombiemutt]

Hulk, your avatar sucks, who drew that, a monkey?

[Serene]

Hulk, your avatar sucks, who drew that, a monkey?

I think it's amazing. But you already know that.
;) :up:

[AgentPat]

I suppose the whole Superman mythos does kind of poke fun at the whole Christianity affair. I kind of like that.

I'll take CK over JC as my personal saviour ANY DAY!! oh yeah..I hate admitting to stuff like this 'cause it's gotten me in WAY deep trouble in public forums in the past, but.... :up: :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hulk, your avatar sucks, who drew that, a monkey?

dunno, you got a tail and throw your own feces? :p :D :supes:

[AgentPat]

Yeah, that's the scene. That's pretty good, but there's an even *better* one as the camera pulls around behind the ship and you see Clark in the background. That's the one I was thinking about. I'll cap it tonight. :D

Either way though, see what I mean about it being rather obvious? LOL ;)Here's both angles...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exodus1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/exodus2.jpg

Does anyone have a cap of when Clark rescues Ryan from the garbage truck in Stray?

Clark has a halo there....http://www.patcostello.com/temp/stray1.jpg

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/stray2.jpg

Alllriiiiighty then. Any more requests? I'm ready for yas! :D

[The Incredible Hulk]

wasnt there another shot of him in the graveyard in the episode where Whitney's dad buys it?

[Serene]

Well I think this qualifies as heavenly....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/gone.jpg
from DTS (www.devotedtosmallville.com)

[triplet]

Well I think this qualifies as heavenly....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/gone.jpg
from DTS (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/)

Yes, that is.

Too bad that one shot with Clark in the fog of tear gas in Transference isn't very clear....

That's a perfect example of the Angel symbology.

[Serene]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/crush.jpg

grr.. I tried to post a link to the audio clip, but it won't work. Sneaky Amazon bastards.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I knew it. Thanks Serene :up:

[riotgirl77]

cool thread :)

[KAT1173]

I love this thread. That's one of the things I love about Smallville is looking for hidden things. I found a couple things, not nearly as good as the previous ones. I never even saw the connection in the telephone pole. In Accelerate during the frozen rain Emily's grave has an angel on it and Clark is shown in the same frame with just him and the angel. In Jinx, in the lockeroom. I know everyone has commented on the Red Zone and the shoes, but in the very beginning, there is a ray of light coming down and the way Clark is posed, it looks like he is praying with the ray of light striking him. Its quite nice.

[RakuMon]

Looks like Lex is getting in on the Jesus poses:
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season4/417/Onyx032.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

I liked this one of Bad Lex fropm the other night, there was an even better one where he's standing directly in front og the fire but DTS didnt have a cap..

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season4/417/Onyx507.jpg

[BRisSuperman]

Tom really does have that angelic look to him. Especially in the first episode of this season when he had the cape/towel on.

[ScratcH]

Exodus. rather heavenly

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/dtsgallery/albums/screencaptures/season2/223/normal_Exodus_260.jpg

That's a great photo... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Lara]

Any new Devil imagery from Onyx?

[The Incredible Hulk]

the pic I posted above is from "Onyx"

[AgentPat]

Pilot:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pilot8.jpg

Pariah:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/pariah8.jpg

^ BTW... "RIP," Allison Anne Dunn, aka Dr. Allison Dunn, aka Allison Dunn, SV Set Decorator...

From Magnetic:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/magnetic2.jpg

End credits:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/magnetic3.jpg

This show KILLS me sometimes. LMAO!!! :up: :D

[triplet]

This show KILLS me sometimes. LMAO!!! :up: :D

Did you notice Holly Harold was one of the names of peopple called to get their diplomas in Commencement...

They do that stuff all the time and I think it's great.

:up:

[avidreader]

This is great... I knew this show had great writing/set skills.

The power of positive thinking, such a wonderful tonic.

Now I'll be looking ever ever so closely for these little references, and I have something to justify to my husband why I need to watch an episode repeatedly.

[AgentPat]

Did you notice Holly Harold was one of the names of people called to get their diplomas in Commencement...

They do that stuff all the time and I think it's great.I remember the name, but it didn't click with me initially. Nice catch.

Here's something I brought up over at BTs recently...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/hourglass.jpg

No, there isn't any angel or devil imagery in that capture from Hourglass (Cassandra's vision of President Luthor), but the wind was blowing in the did-you-catch-that direction, so I figured I'd post it. Notice the stars in the presidential seal. There's 52 of 'em. ;)

That scene was shot on the West Wing set. So the real question is, is the seal like that on West Wing too, or were the SV prop people having too much fun that day? :D

[revolucion]

there was a really big one in the first episode with angel wings.

[RakuMon]

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8188/501085wp.jpg

[HUMAN]

Anybody ever notice that Clark ends up in the crucifix position a lot? (Legs together with arms extended to the sides, like a cross)

[AgentPat]

Anybody ever notice that Clark ends up in the crucifix position a lot?:D

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6671270&postcount=25

[BaK]

I see dead links
:(

Does anybody have all of these pics somewhere ?

Please
:)

[RakuMon]

Quoting Sage from the "Hidden" discussion thread:

Death:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3717719.jpg

Burial:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718022.jpg

Empty tomb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718157.jpg

Resurrection:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718443.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718704.jpg

Ascension:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3719592.jpg

That concludes Bible study for tonight. :)

[The Sage]

Mary Madgalene seeing Jesus, I think:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4184/vlcsnap40031247oy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Sage]

Oh, something else. Besides reflecting Jesus going into the mountains to counsel with God for 40 days, I always thought Clark entering the FOS was akin to Moses approaching the Burning Bush.

[MJZ]

Oh, something else. Besides reflecting Jesus going into the mountains to counsel with God for 40 days, I always thought Clark entering the FOS was akin to Moses approaching the Burning Bush.

Hey don't give em all away! ;)

[The Sage]

Hey don't give em all away! ;)
;)

Here's another possible religious reference: Anyone notice how they switched from the flames of the rocket propelling to Clark laid out in the FOS? I believe that when Jesus died, he descended into Hell to get the keys of life and death before resurrecting. Just a thought.

:O

[The Sage]

Burning bush:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5756/vlcsnap42005878ot.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

Singing Bush!




Ned you just shot the invisible swordsman!

[RakuMon]

Whatever happened to this thread?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2851/wither1tk3.jpg

Oh and this is technically not SV, but it's relevant to the thread:

Superman #660:
http://images.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan07/superpics/SM_Cv660_NEW.jpg

[KalKai]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1377/ckwither2dj2.jpg

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/5886/ckjesusdr3.jpg

[BaK]

wow.. wings on superman..

non-redundant on a symbolic level and cool colors too.. :)

[Venomfan]

Oh, something else. Besides reflecting Jesus going into the mountains to counsel with God for 40 days, I always thought Clark entering the FOS was akin to Moses approaching the Burning Bush. im sorry i just have to nitpick and say that Jesus went into the DESERT for 40 days to be tempted by the devil

[BaK]

40 days alone in desert versus clark on red k..

hmm..your preferences may vary..

[Brainiac 8]

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/5886/ckjesusdr3.jpg

What is interesting about this picture is the area where Clark is shot is the same place they speared Jesus.

[avidreader]

What is interesting about this picture is the area where Clark is shot is the same place they speared Jesus.

Jesus was speared? I thought he was crucified. :huh:

[Brainiac 8]

Jesus was speared? I thought he was crucified. :huh:

While he was hanging they speared him in the side.

[avidreader]

While he was hanging they speared him in the side.

Not in any of the movies I saw. I hate it when they mess with the mythology.

[Brainiac 8]

Not in any of the movies I saw. I hate it when they mess with the mythology.

This is in Matthew:

46 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “E´li, E´li, la´ma sa·bach·tha´ni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·li´jah.” 48 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it with sour wine and put it on a reed and went giving him a drink. 49 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·li´jah comes to save him.” [[Another man took a spear and pierced his side, and blood and water came out.]]

[BaK]

This is in Matthew:

46 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “E´li, E´li, la´ma sa·bach·tha´ni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·li´jah.” 48 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it with sour wine and put it on a reed and went giving him a drink. 49 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/) But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·li´jah comes to save him.” [[Another man took a spear and pierced his side, and blood and water came out.]]
anyone with caps of this?

kalkai ?

[avidreader]

anyone with caps of this?

kalkai ?

LMAO!

And B8 just because its in the bible, doesnt mean that you cant change the story. :whatever: :oldrazz:

[Brainiac 8]

LMAO!

And B8 just because its in the bible, doesnt mean that you cant change the story. :whatever: :oldrazz:


Oh I wasn't saying that they can't use creative liscence. I was just pointing out another instance where they used a similarity in the bible with the Superman mythos. I just thought that where he was shot was interesting.

[avidreader]

Oh I wasn't saying that they can't use creative liscence. I was just pointing out another instance where they used a similarity in the bible with the Superman mythos. I just thought that where he was shot was interesting.

Psst..... you know I was joking dont you. :cwink:

I was just making fun of the fact that everybody says Smallville changes the mythology. I guess my attempt at humour was just TOO subtle.

[Brainiac 8]

hehe, sorry, humor is lost nowadays. :O

I'm tired, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.:ninja:

[avidreader]

hehe, sorry, humor is lost nowadays. :O

I'm tired, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.:ninja:

Fair enough! :yay:

[04nbod]

it was such a long time ago but didn't the fake kara always wear white in covenant. a symbol of virtue, innocence and purity. she looked like an angel in places- tempting clark home.

[triplet]

it was such a long time ago but didn't the fake kara always wear white in covenant. a symbol of virtue, innocence and purity. she looked like an angel in places- tempting clark home.

True...

She wore white except when she was naked.

;)

[Kaboom]

True...

She wore white except when she was naked.

;)
i like naked

[04nbod]

:wow: don't we all:woot:

[Captivated]

This little thread caught my eye, especially since last night...

I go to a GREAT Bible study on Mondays (by Beth Moore) and we are studying the book of Daniel. Last night she mentioned that the name Dani-EL means "God is my judge" and that in Hebrew, "EL" means God (that can be THE GOD or other gods). Very interesting...

I looked it up...
El

Main article: El (god) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29)
The word El (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29) appears in other northwest Semitic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages) such as Phoenician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_language) and Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language). In Akkadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language), ilu is the ordinary word for god. It is also found also in Old South Arabian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_South_Arabian) and in Ethiopic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_language), and, as in Hebrew, it is often used as an element in proper names. In northwest Semitic texts it often appears to be used of one single god, perhaps the head of the pantheon, sometimes specifically said to be the creator.
El (Hebrew: אל) is used in both the singular and plural, both for other gods and for the God of Israel. As a name of God, however, it is used chiefly in poetry and prophetic discourse, rarely in prose, and then usually with some epithet attached, as "a jealous God." Other examples of its use with some attribute or epithet are: El `Elyon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60Elyon) ("Most High God"), El Shaddai ("God Almighty"), El `Olam ("Everlasting God"), El Hai ("Living God"), El Ro'i ("God of Seeing"), El Elohe Israel ("God, the God of Israel"), El Gibbor ("God of Strength"). In addition, names such as Gabriel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel) ("Strength of God"), Michael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael)Raphael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael) ("God's medicine") and Daniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel) ("God is My Judge") use God's name in a similar fashion. ("He Who is Like God"),


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

[The Sage]

im sorry i just have to nitpick and say that Jesus went into the DESERT for 40 days to be tempted by the devil

I think he fasted and prayed for 40 days, then at the end the devil tempted him.

[Captivated]

I think he fasted and prayed for 40 days, then at the end the devil tempted him.You guys are funny... and are all partially right.

After being baptized, Jesus went into the "wilderness" and fasted and prayed for 40 days. (Godly men, like Moses and Elijah were often alone with God for a long time... where they learned more about HIM... where they learned his will and got focused. Often this was done before embarking on an important work for God. Jesus did it before starting his ministry.)

In his physically weakened condition the devil then came and "tempted" him... He challenged Jesus to use his "power" to prove himself... but that would have been going against his purpose on earth.

The first temptation was with food because he was very hungry, and he had the power to make the stones into bread... Then the devil took him to the pinnacle of the temple and challanged him to prove himself by jumping... Then the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world. He told him that he would give ALL this to Jesus if he would worship him... This is where the devil reveals his ultimate purpose... to inspire disobedience, to separate us from God and to be like God.

Jesus answered the devil each time with scripture - "it is written..." (No wonder the Bible refers to the WORD of God as a "sword.")

[Venomfan]

You guys are funny... and are all partially right.

After being baptized, Jesus went into the "wilderness" and fasted and prayed for 40 days. (Godly men, like Moses and Elijah were often alone with God for a long time... where they learned more about HIM... where they learned his will and got focused. Often this was done before embarking on an important work for God. Jesus did it before starting his ministry.)

In his physically weakened condition the devil then came and "tempted" him... He challenged Jesus to use his "power" to prove himself... but that would have been going against his purpose on earth.

The first temptation was with food because he was very hungry, and he had the power to make the stones into bread... Then the devil took him to the pinnacle of the temple and challanged him to prove himself by jumping... Then the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world. He told him that he would give ALL this to Jesus if he would worship him... This is where the devil reveals his ultimate purpose... to inspire disobedience, to separate us from God and to be like God.

Jesus answered the devil each time with scripture - "it is written..." (No wonder the Bible refers to the WORD of God as a "sword.")
this one speaks the truth!

[BaK]

... He told him that he would give ALL this to Clark if he would worship him... Yep.. Great scene.. :up:

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/1/5/1/Zod_591.jpg (http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/1/5/1/Zod_591.jpg?v=0)

[Super_Child]

I love this thread! Anymore demon-ish images of Lex?

[The Sage]

No Lex pictures. But when I look at Lex & Lana, all I have to say is the wolf is truly dwelling with the lamb. But hopefully a little child won't be leading them.

[AgentPat]

This thread has been long overdue for a bump!!!

Note the stained glass panels in these scenes from Promise:

Lex:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promise6a.jpg

Lana:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promise6b.jpg

No further elaboration needed. :D

[Serene]

^^Those are great.

Let's not forget about Lois though. :D

The stained glass triptic appears to make another appearance in Noir:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7858/noired1lt4.jpg

Clearly a "hero" image in the center. :up:

[SamuraiSon6]

This little thread caught my eye, especially since last night...

I go to a GREAT Bible study on Mondays (by Beth Moore) and we are studying the book of Daniel. Last night she mentioned that the name Dani-EL means "God is my judge" and that in Hebrew, "EL" means God (that can be THE GOD or other gods). Very interesting...

I looked it up...
El

Main article: El (god) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29)
The word El (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29) appears in other northwest Semitic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages) such as Phoenician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_language) and Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language). In Akkadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language), ilu is the ordinary word for god. It is also found also in Old South Arabian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_South_Arabian) and in Ethiopic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_language), and, as in Hebrew, it is often used as an element in proper names. In northwest Semitic texts it often appears to be used of one single god, perhaps the head of the pantheon, sometimes specifically said to be the creator.
El (Hebrew: אל) is used in both the singular and plural, both for other gods and for the God of Israel. As a name of God, however, it is used chiefly in poetry and prophetic discourse, rarely in prose, and then usually with some epithet attached, as "a jealous God." Other examples of its use with some attribute or epithet are: El `Elyon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60Elyon) ("Most High God"), El Shaddai ("God Almighty"), El `Olam ("Everlasting God"), El Hai ("Living God"), El Ro'i ("God of Seeing"), El Elohe Israel ("God, the God of Israel"), El Gibbor ("God of Strength"). In addition, names such as Gabriel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel) ("Strength of God"), Michael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael)Raphael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael) ("God's medicine") and Daniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel) ("God is My Judge") use God's name in a similar fashion. ("He Who is Like God"),


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism



really cool find Captivated, thanks!:woot:

p.s. my fiancee just got done doing beth moore's 'daniel' bible study and loved it! she is starting another beth moore study now, but i'm not sure which it is yet...:yay:

[avidreader]

This thread has been long overdue for a bump!!!

Note the stained glass panels in these scenes from Promise:

Lex:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promise6a.jpg

Lana:
http://www.patcostello.com/temp/promise6b.jpg

No further elaboration needed. :D


I tried to post about this the other day and my internet kept cutting out, and I gave up, but Samurai's post brought it to my attention again.

I'm trying to figure out how the stories in the stain-glass windows match up with Lana and Lex, and I'm coming up with nothing. I think I missed Bible Study classes, so could you help a friend out and explain what you think each window is symbolising. :yay:

[triplet]

I tried to post about this the other day and my internet kept cutting out, and I gave up, but Samurai's post brought it to my attention again.

I'm trying to figure out how the stories in the stain-glass windows match up with Lana and Lex, and I'm coming up with nothing. I think I missed Bible Study classes, so could you help a friend out and explain what you think each window is symbolising. :yay:


Yeah, I'm close to being a heathen so I didn't quite get it either...

Glad someone else asked.

:confused: