Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[Genesis 1.0]

Bah, one against the tides since I think he's quite capable of turning this one on a dime.

Wonderman

[DeGenerate10]

Wonderman

[Warhammer]

Wonder Man is garbage compared to Black Bolt.

I say Black Bolt.

[Colossal Spoons]

Um, Blackbolt.

[PaleRider]

Black Bolt

[Jecht]

Black Bolt

[Jecht]

Black Bolt
Heh, welcome back. Haven't seen you in a while.

[Anubis]

Black Bolt

[newmexneon]

Bb.

[seamaharaj]

Thorit has 2 be Thor!!!!!!

[Warhammer]

^^Huh?

[comicbookmaster]

BLACK BOLT,BUT NOT BY MUCH!!
WONDER MAN IS HARDER TO GET RID OF THAN AN ULGY CHICK IN YOUR BED!!
:eek:

[Anubis]

Or in your case, a dead cat.

[Sparta*]

BLACK BOLT,BUT NOT BY MUCH!!
WONDER MAN IS HARDER TO GET RID OF THAN AN ULGY CHICK IN YOUR BED!!
:eek:

The secret is to not let ugly/fat chicks into your bed to begin with :up:

[POWdER-man]

The secret is to not let ugly/fat chicks into your bed to begin with :up:

Easier said than done for some us......under certain conditions....

[Anubis]

A man gets lonely, and ugly chicks are easy. And sometimes, as a good wingman, you gotta just take one for the team.

[Toby_Temple]

Black Bolt. One shout from him will send Simon to kingdom come.

[This I.........]

Black Bolt, its easier to get rid of fat chicks just tease them with a sneakers bar as if shes a doggy then throw it out ur window or door

[POWdER-man]

WTF is a sneakers bar...

[Jecht]

http://boingboing.net/images/chocosneak.jpg

[Anubis]

lol

[Toby_Temple]

WTF is a sneakers bar...

i think he mean snickers..........sneakers means shoes. lol

[This I.........]

Wait Wait Shoes R Called Sneakers? O ****

[Vanguard07]

Old Wonderman, New Wonderman it makes no difference. Black Bolt could take both of em at once.
Hey you guys ever wonder what he says on those rare occasions where he speaks? Simon charges, Black Bolt opens his mouth.
"BOOBIES!"
Simon dies instantly.

[rodhulk]

Black Bolt.

[White_Howling]

Black Bolt

[Bastila]

Black Bolt

[Sparta*]

30 - 3 is the final tally for Black Bolt :up:

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


V E N O M
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Venom2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


C Y B E R
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Cyber.jpg

[Sparta*]

Cyber 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_%28comics%29)
Cyber 2 (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cyber.htm)


Venom 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28comics%29)
Venom 2 (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/v/venom.htm)

[Sparta*]

I'm going to give this one to Cyber. His adamantium skin would prevent Venom from doing as much damage as Cyber will be doing to him, plus Cyber has a healing factor, and Adamantium claws that dispense a hallucinogen, and poison.

[spartin2008]

Yeah Venoms a beast but i got to aggre with you there good buddy.

[Andykin]

Hate to say it, but Cyber would win

[POWdER-man]

Yeah I am not sure how Venom would win this unless the symbiote left Eddie (which it has done in the past) and merge with Cyber creating Venom-Cyber.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, Cyber-Venom would have been awesome to see had Cyber not had that little rn-in with those beetles.

I vote for Cyber.

[Ahura Mazda]

Cyber

[STR1]

Venom is one of my favorites but I don't see anything he can do to Cyber. Cyber takes this win.

[Quentin Beck]

Cyber

[Jecht]

Venom

[blah]

Cyber, Adamantium Rulezzzzzz!
BTW, Dr. Lehnsherr, your avvi is cool.

[bkhedr]

Venom

[TheFalcon]

Cyber

[Horseman Gambit]

Cyber

[White_Howling]

V E N O M

[Phaedrus45]

Venom

[Genesis 1.0]

Cyber's laced, just as Hawkeye's spine was laced with admantium, Hawkeye's was broken so this isn't the end all. Cyber died from friggin' beetles that ate his flesh and left the metal, so he can be harmed despite his healing factor. As to the poison and hallucination inducing claws, I very much doubt that Venom's going to affected by the poison and he's more than a little crazed as it is, he bonds with an alien creature that torments him on occassion, I think he can handle it. Couple that with his intense strength and he'll knock Cyber out at best, effectively ending this one.

Venom

[Midnight Ice]

Cyber:xmen:

[Anubis]

Cyber

[Sparta*]

12 - 5 for Cyber so far...

[Mazrim Taim]

venom

[Chunin]

venom, coolest ever

[Silver Sable]

Brock

[DeGenerate10]

Cyber

[Victor Creed]

Cyber

[Hellstormer]

Cyber

[Logan Howlett]

WE VOTE ......VENOM! Uh I mean....venom

[1987olds442]

Venom

[Warhammer]

Cyber.

[iambilly81]

cyber should be able to rip venom apart but it will be close

[kamesan]

Cyber.

[Kmack]

Cyber

[Calendar Man]

Venom.

[Vanguard07]

Venom is one of my favorites but I don't see anything he can do to Cyber. Cyber takes this win.

Umm i do. Venom has a quite obvious way of beating cyber. Suffocate da b****. It's not like Cyber could tear away a constantly shifting organic liquid substance like the symbiote. and that same substance could keep cyber too far away to do any damage. Plus Venom's much stronger and faster.
I'd give this one to venom.

[Sparta*]

19 - 12 for Cyber so far...

EDIT - 19 - 12 is the final tally!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg

Howard the Duck
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/HowardtheDuck.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp

Squirrel Girl
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/SquirrelGirl.jpg
























APRIL FOOLS!!!

[Zoken]

Squirrel Girl owns Duck-Boy in a first round knock out. (I know you're joking, but I don't care). Hey, where did you get these pics?

[Sparta*]

Squirrel Girl owns Duck-Boy in a first round knock out. (I know you're joking, but I don't care). Hey, where did you get these pics?

Lol, with this match-up being a joke and all, I don't care if people don't vote based on who would win in a fight :p You guys can base the outcome of this match-up on whatever you want

The pics are from the 1997 Marvel QFX card set :up:

[3dman27]

s.g

[Zoken]

Dude... she went toe to toe with Thanos, Dr. Doom, the Mandarin, and MODOK. she can take an over grown drake.

Excuse me, waiter, Duck al'orange, and make it well done.

[Sparta*]

Dude... she went toe to toe with Thanos, Dr. Doom, the Mandarin, and MODOK. she can take an over grown drake.

Excuse me, waiter, Duck al'orange, and make it well done.

I know she has...this match-up isn't who would win in a fight...I guess it's who you like better...or who's the bigger joke lol. You guys can base it on whatever, just say what you based it on if you feel the need to :up:

[Quentin Beck]

LMAO cool matchup :p My vote is for Squirrel Girl

[Zoken]

SQUIRREL GIRL ON SHEER COOLNESS FACTOR

**hugs a Monkey-Joe plushie**

[POWdER-man]

Weren't you suppose to post the Thanos/HE matchup....

Howard the Duck

[spartin2008]

Howard the Duck

[TheFalcon]

Squirrel Girl

[DeGenerate10]

Howard

[Silver Sable]

Squirrel Girl

[cerealkiller182]

Squirrel Girl

[rodhulk]

Howard.

[Horseman Gambit]

Squirrel Girl

[blah]

Howard Wins!

[This I.........]

Howard the Duck, howard the duck movie must underrated comic book movie ever

[Jecht]

Howard

[Sachsmachine]

Howard

[Genesis 1.0]

Squrriel Girl.

[Logan Howlett]

Howard the duck! Ya know why? Because he is so carzy that he would alter reality, mess with the deminsional status of the universe and **** with continuity until he could merge himself with Lobo and become.....




http://www.lobobrasil.com.br/revistas/estadosunidos_lobo/lobotheduck.jpg






Happy April fools day!

[Sparta*]

9 - 8 is the current tally for Howard the Duck.

I am going to post a match-up from the Contest of Marvels that is currently a tie that needs to be broken. All I ask is that you guys read the debate(s) before picking who you will vote for. The Squirrel Girl vs Howard the Duck match-up will still be on, so feel free to mention your choice between those two when you vote on the new match-up if you desire to do so :up:

[Vanguard07]

Howard the duck. Everything SG's ever done has been ridiculously unbelievable. I refuse to believe she could beat anyone under any circumstances. She couldnt beat Uncle Ben in a being-alive-contest.

Plus Howard knows quack-fu.

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg

HIGH EVOLUTIONARY
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/HighEvo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp

T H A N O S
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Thanoss.jpg

[Sparta*]

Phaedrus45: Defending High Evolutionary

Known Powers: The High Evolutionary possesses vast psionic power, further augmented by his armor.
Extrasensory Powers of Clairaudience, Clairvoyance, Cosmic Awareness and a form of Danger Sense;
Works to High Evolutionary's advantage. Thanos wouldn't be able to sneak up on him, and he'd have a sense as to what Thanos is up to.


Astral Projection; He can survive apart from his physical body for an indefinite period of time.
Maybe the biggest advantage in this match-up, just like Dr. Strange, HE's physical body isn't needed in this match-up.

Mental Invisibility; the High Evolutionary is normally undectable even by other powerful telepaths
HE would be undetectable to even Thanos, who has vast psionic powers.

Aside from telepathically communicating with other humans, the High Evolutionary can also telepathically communicate with animals and cybernetic systems

There are various types of creatures throughout the negative zone. HE would be able to telepathically communicate and coerce those creatures in an attempt to attack Thanos and help with distract Thanos from HE's main attack.

Telekinesis used for levitation, flight, forcefields and blasts
Great for defensive situations.

He is an expert in linguistics and can even use a form of ventriloquism
Total Memory

High Evolutionary would know everything about Thanos. He would have a record of all of Thanos' conquests and defeats. He would realize what Thanos' weaknesses are.

Matter Creation--all types including lifeforms simply by his intense force of will.
Not only can HE manipulate the creatures in the Negative Zone; but, HE is so vastly powerful, he can create lifeforms at will.

His suit is designed to protect it's wearer at all costs

His suit can regenerate his body or create a new body for him if needed.

HE's suit is the other advantage in this battle. It will protect him from Thanos' direct attacks, and any damage caused will be quickly regenerated.

Known Abilities: Skilled in science, especially relating to genetics and engineering.

The final advantage to bring up is that HE would have knowledge of Thanos' genetics. With this knowledge, he would have the biggest advantage of knowing Thanos' weakness.

Winner - High Evolutionary

I'm going to ask for a JH ruling on this matter. The difference between the Kang match-up and High Evolutionary's ability to create being to fight Thanos are very different. For Kang, you are bringing in people to assist you in a battle. High Evolutionary's ability is part of his power. Just as Jamie Madrox can make upteen duplicates of himself, High Evolutionary would go into this battle with just him. But, after that, the gloves are off.

Also, High Evolutionary will have complete knowledge of the Negative Zone. He will know where he is and where to go where some beings are to manipulate. He will have this ability for flight with his armor.

I do totally agree this is a great match-up. Very close, and I can see either of us winning this. We could probably go back and forth about who has more power. But, for now, I will wait for a ruling to respond any further.

[Sparta*]

Johnny Blaze: Defending Thanos

This is, in my opinion at least, the best match up thus far in this thing. Both characters are master planners and extremely intelligent. Both have an impressive array of powers that are pretty high in strength level (at least most are). The Evolutionary has an impressive piece of armor and psionic powers that would make Xavier jealous. As far as knowledge goes, both opponents should have a good amount of info on each other as both are huge knowledge whores.

High Evolutionary's cosmic awareness would make it extremely difficult for Thanos to get in any type of sneak attack, but the Titan could still track him down; he's not invisible to technological means of tracking and the Titan has some of the best tech out there. So, that would force a face to face confrontation.

Both are sophisticated beings, but I doubt there'd be much banter between them before they begin to throw down. Probably be a lot of verbal jabbing during the fight though.
The Evolutionary has the ability to rearrange matter at the molecular level, but Thanos has shown to be extremely resilient against reality manipulations, such as in Thanos Quest. The Titan would be able to resist any attempt to change his molecular structure. Thanos has shown to be able to manipulate matter as well, but I don't think it would work on the Evolutionary, himself, either.

The Evolutionary can create life, psionically, and, potentially, create an entire army for Thanos to face. This would more than likely be against the rules though, so I won't go in on this (I was told I could not use any of Kang's servants and it's basically the same deal).

As far as telepathically manipulating the creatures in the N-Zone to attack Thanos, that would work. However, the N-Zone is a colossal place and, personally, I don't think the Evolutionary would be able summon that many creatures in the area before the fight is over. What creatures he does/is able to summon, the Titan would make short work of. Granted, there are, potentially, powerful creatures in the N-Zone that could, conceivably, be in the area for the Evolutionary to summon to his aid. But, Thanos has been shown to take out entire armies single-handedly (Cosmic Powers) and has taken down beings even more physically powerful than himself (such as his Magus clone). Add to the fact Thanos' tech and intelligence compared to that of some N-Zone creature, and the Titan would have little trouble in dispatching the fodder.
The only way this would really be handy for the Evolutionary is if he needed to get Thanos off of him to regroup.

As far as the Evolutionary's armor goes, it's powerful, but hardly indestructible. It is an extremely tough nut to crack, but one with sufficient strength can tear it apart, as the Hulk has shown when he confronted the Evolutionary. Now, Thanos is just as strong as the Hulk (base strength), and is also able to increase his physical powers to higher degrees via cosmic energy manipulation. He would definitely be strong enough to tear the High Evolutionary's armor off of him.
The Evolutionary's suit can also "heal" him and bring him back to his perfect state of human evolution from pretty much any injury, even a single cell. But, this is not instantaneous. Mortal injuries, such as having half of his body vaporized for example, would take some time to regenerate. It would definitely not heal fast enough for him to continue the fight.
Also, something to keep in mind, is that under the armor, the Evolutionary is a human. Albeit the ultimately advanced human, but a human none-the-less. Without his armor he's far less durable than the Titan and would not be able to take, for instance, a blast of cosmic energy from the Titan, full force.

As far as energy blasts go, I've never really seen the Evolutionary use them much. So, I can't rightly say whether they are weaker or stronger than Thanos' cosmic blasts. However, I can say that Thanos is able to increase the potency of his blasts enough to knock Galactus on his ass.

As with the energy blasts, I've not seen enough of the Evolutionary's force fields to rightly comment on their potency. But, I can say that Thanos' are some of the most powerful I've seen in comics. His personal forcefields have even withstood a blast from Omega, a being twice as powerful as Galactus. And he pretty much always has them on him when he's knowingly going into a fight.

As for intelligence, I'd say they're about even scientifically, with the Evolutionary having the edge in genetics and the like. As far as tactical planning and battlefield strategy goes, Thanos has the edge. The Titan also has the experience edge, having been in the game hundreds of years longer than the Evolutionary has.

Thanos also has an impressive array of devices he could use. I've mentioned the stasis gun before, but he could also bring in the power orb which he stole from Tyrant to increase his power levels. He could also create a device to harness the negative energies of the N-Zone to use as a weapon against the Evolutionary, such as creating an explosion of anti-matter.

All in all, this is a very good match up and should be an excellent game of wits as well as a good old fashion brawl. Still, Thanos has battled and outmaneuvered being just as powerful as him, and some more powerful. So, he's no stranger to being in the fight of his life. The Titan also has much more experience in huge fights compared to the Evolutionary. And that experience should help.
As I've said a couple of times now, this will be a damn good fight. But, in the end, the Mad Titan should pull out the victory.

[blah]

Sorry, I saw the match up when those two posts were "edit" and "edit2". Disregard my vote please.

[Sparta*]

You haven't even read the debates yet...you must read the debates before voting or do not vote.

EDIT - debates are now up!

Also, unlike my other match-ups, this one has 24 HOURS PREP-TIME!!

[Sparta*]

LOCATION OF FIGHT

This week's matches will be held in the Negative Zone which is a universe parallel to Earth. The two have many similarities, but a few noteworthy differences include: all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged; the Negative Zone is entirely filled with a pressurized, breathable atmosphere; and near the center of the Negative Zone is a deadly vortex of unspeakable power. Since the Negative Zone is largely uninhabited, several would-be conquerors have attempted to bridge the gap to Earth and take over it's population.

[Sparta*]

BIOS

HIGH EVOLUTIONARY 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Evolutionary)
HIGH EVOLUTIONARY 2 (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/highevolutionary.htm)

THANOS 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos)
THANOS 2 (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thanos.htm)

[spartin2008]

After reading thoughs and hearing of prep time... i have to go with Thanos. He is to intelectual to not come up with something to take out High Evo. I just think that Thanos would be one step ahead of him.

[Hellstormer]

Thanos

[Colossal Spoons]

Just a though: Do artists always use the same blue/black color combo when drawing cosmic power?

[Sparta*]

Just a though: Do artists always use the same blue/black color combo when drawing cosmic power?

Lol, seems that way.

I'm going to stay true to my vote from the Contest of Marvels and say High Evolutionary :up:

[POWdER-man]

This was a hard decision for me before and it still is. But I am going to stay true to my original vote since nothing has changed from the last scenario.

EDIT I guess it would be nice to actually say who I voted for....Thanos

[TheFalcon]

Thanos

[Calendar Man]

High Evenator.

[POWdER-man]

High Evenator.

:rolleyes:

[Andykin]

After reading the debates, I think Thanos would be the victor

[Calendar Man]

:rolleyes:

Its my nick name for him. :rolleyes:

[Andykin]

And Howard :D

[wiegeabo]

High Evolutionary

[Logan Howlett]

THANOS!


But Guys don't forget to vote for Howard! :)

[Horseman Gambit]

Thanos

[Silver Sable]

Thanos

[Anubis]

Thanos

[Victor Creed]

Thanos

[This I.........]

Thanos:wolverine

[Harlekin]

High Evo convinced me after all.

[Quentin Beck]

Thanos

[Sparta*]

12 - 4 is the final tally for THANOS!
10 - 8 is the final tally for Howard the Duck!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg

N A M O R
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Namor.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



SPIDER-MAN
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Spiderman.jpg

[Calendar Man]

Good one. Spider-man.

[Victor Creed]

That Namor picture is creepin me out.

Spider-Man.

[3dman27]

your friendly neighborhood SPIDER-MAN

[TheFalcon]

Spider-Man

[Quentin Beck]

Spider-Man

[spartin2008]

I like spiderman but i think namor would honestly win.

[JeanGrey[GR]]

Spidey!

[ssj wolverine]

Spidey!!!!
Namor is nothing more than brute strength. The webslinger has more than that going for him.

[POWdER-man]

My head says Namor, but my heart says Spidey.....

If it's anywhere near water than Namor. if not, I will give it to Spidey. He has beaten foes as strong (if not stronger) than Namor. As for Speed, he is quick but so is Spider-man plus SM has his Spidey sense to keep him one step ahead. So I give it to Spider-man.

[DeGenerate10]

Spider-Man

[1987olds442]

Wow I can't believe that there are so many votes for Spider-Man. Namor would so beat his ass.

Namor

[Hellstormer]

Namor

[POWdER-man]

That Namor picture is creepin me out.

Spider-Man.

It doesn't bug me but it is very homo erotic...

[XwolverineX]

Namor, Easily as HELL.

[Anubis]

What are you people, high? Namor

[Silver Sable]

Spidey

[Horseman Gambit]

Namor, would destroy him

[Horseman Gambit]

and yes that is a creepy picture, but it takes a real man to wear fish scale underware

[XwolverineX]

I am confused. How th' hell are ya guy's votin' fer Spidey? :confused::down

[Anubis]

Cuz Spidey's, Spidey and Namor's, Namor. Popularity wins out in the end.

[POWdER-man]

That's BS. Some people may be voting that way but I gave my reasons and I could see it going to Spidey's favor.

Like I said if it's by water than Namor will take this. However if it's outside a large water source, Namor will get weaker and weaker. Plus Spider-man has faced strong characters like Rhino, Juggernaut, Morlun, Firelord and Hulk so he is no stranger to foes with vasts strength and power levels. Plus Peter is smart enough to think on his head and he would surely know the longer Namor stays out of water the better chance he has in winning.

I have also seen Daredevil hold his own against Namor at least for a long while because of his special senses. So logic would lead you to believe if Daredevil's sense could keep him ahead than Spider-man's stronger spidey sense could keep him away from attacks by Namor.

If you don't respect people who have different reasoning that's fine but you don't have to call them pretty much idiots for doing so.

[bkhedr]

Namor

[Anubis]

That's BS. Some people may be voting that way but I gave my reasons and I could see it going to Spidey's favor.

Like I said if it's by water than Namor will take this. However if it's outside a large water source, Namor will get weaker and weaker. Plus Spider-man has faced strong characters like Rhino, Juggernaut, Morlun, Firelord and Hulk so he is no stranger to foes with vasts strength and power levels. Plus Peter is smart enough to think on his head and he would surely know the longer Namor stays out of water the better chance he has in winning.

I have also seen Daredevil hold his own against Namor at least for a long while because of his special senses. So logic would lead you to believe if Daredevil's sense could keep him ahead than Spider-man's stronger spidey sense could keep him away from attacks by Namor.

If you don't respect people who have different reasoning that's fine but you don't have to call them pretty much idiots for doing so.

I never said anybody was an idiot, I just said that Popularity wins out in the end. And if thats not a true statement, then I don't know what is.

[POWdER-man]

I never said anybody was an idiot, I just said that Popularity wins out in the end. And if thats not a true statement, then I don't know what is.

What are you people, high?

That's pretty close enough.

[Vanguard07]

Okay Spiderman could hold his own in this cause of his speed and agility & of course spider sense. (I'd just like to point out for those of you who think Spidey's completely outmatched here that Spiderman when written properly is capable of fighting the entire x-men or fantastic four to a standstill. he used to do it regularly back when he was in highschool Hell he's even stood up to cosmic leveled chars like SS or Firelord. Firelord he even outright beat) And yes Spiderman has fought with people much stronger than himself. Stronger than Namor even like Hulk, Thor, Mr Hyde, Juggernaut etc. But Namor has a lot of speed to go with his strength. Spidey wouldnt be able to take Namor down with brute force or skill or anything. he'd have to stay out of Namor's reach long enough to find an area advantage he can work with.

So this fight to me depends on where they're fighting. And since i'm given no information on where its happening i'm assuming that there are no area advantages for either.
That being the case Spidey'd dodge and strike untill Namor finally got his hands on him then the fight'd be over.
So i'm grudgingly giving this one to Namor.

[Anubis]

That's pretty close enough.

You shouldn't pay too much attention to those anti drug adds, you don't have to be an idiot to get high. It just tends to impair your judgement.

[POWdER-man]

Okay Spiderman could hold his own in this cause of his speed and agility & of course spider sense. (I'd just like to point out for those of you who think Spidey's completely outmatched here that Spiderman when written properly is capable of fighting the entire x-men or fantastic four to a standstill. he used to do it regularly back when he was in highschool Hell he's even stood up to cosmic leveled chars like SS or Firelord. Firelord he even outright beat) And yes Spiderman has fought with people much stronger than himself. Stronger than Namor even like Hulk, Thor, Mr Hyde, Juggernaut etc. But Namor has a lot of speed to go with his strength. Spidey wouldnt be able to take Namor down with brute force or skill or anything. he'd have to stay out of Namor's reach long enough to find an area advantage he can work with.

So this fight to me depends on where they're fighting. And since i'm given no information on where its happening i'm assuming that there are no area advantages for either.
That being the case Spidey'd dodge and strike untill Namor finally got his hands on him then the fight'd be over.
So i'm grudgingly giving this one to Namor.

I am certainly not saying it would be an easy win....in fact when is it ever an easy win for Spider-man?

I can see your reasoning and I happy to see you acknowledge it would not be a clear cut win for Namor.

As for location, I said myself that it would be completely in favor of Namor if they are near water. However there is unfortuntely no grey area in between them both, to say neither one would have the advantage. If it's by water-Namor, if it's not Spider-man would have the advantage. So there's no way to go in between. However, if this was in or by water Namor is damn near invincible, so that would not be a fair fight for anyone. If it's away, Namor does weaken but he still has some great power, so I think it would be more fair to have it in the middle of the city.

As for speed, Namor is quite fast (faster in water), but away from water I wouldn't say he'd be faster than some of SM opponents he has faced. Especially since Namor not only gets weaker but slightly slower too. Spider-man would surely recognize who Namor is and would realize that keeping him going for awhile while he weakens, or at least stall him until he comes up with a plan.

I just keep thinking of when Daredevil faced Namor and how he damn near beat him while using his cunning and senses, and since SM is just as cunning, has better senses and has stronger abilities i think he would have a chance.

I could easily see how Namor could win this but I can also see how Spider-man could win this. So I gave it to him because I believed in him.

[POWdER-man]

You shouldn't pay too much attention to those anti drug adds, you don't have to be an idiot to get high. It just tends to impair your judgement.

Yeah well I also said (which wasn't directed solely to you) that we're are "pretty well" being called idiots.

And to me there's is not much difference in calling us high/impaired/lacking judgement/unable to come up with clear reasoning and calling us "pretty well" idiots.

[supermarvelman]

Honestly not what my heart says.

Namor would take spidey, Spidey has taken down some tough opponents but, come on really, it usually takes the whole FF to take Namor down.


NAMOR

[This I.........]

it doesnt matter if the fight is near water look at hyrdo man he is water and spider still wins
Spider Man:spidey: :spidey: :spidey: :spidey: :spidey:
ps. if u have a girlfriend dont take her to see slither

[Darth Hyperion]

Namor, Spidey would not be able to knock Namor out IMO. And as stated before it takes the whole FF to defeat Namor.

[Jecht]

Spider-Man

[kytrigger]

Namor would take it.

[STR1]

Namor is too much for Spider-Man. I too like Spider-Man but he can't take out Namor.

[Victor Creed]

Namor is too much for Spider-Man. I too like Spider-Man but he can't take out Namor.

Yea, ok, because Namor is stronger than Thor, lol. :rolleyes:

[Warhammer]

Namor is just too much.

[Zoken]

Its Namor, no conest.

[Sparta*]

I'm voting for the Sub-Mariner as well :up:

[Sparta*]

15 - 12 for Namor so far...

[Zoken]

much love as I have for Spidey, Namor would just wipe the floor with him. I'd imagine Peter looking at him and saying "Just my luck... I had to live in a COSTAL city... And I thought Hydro-Man was bad."

[iambilly81]

im a spiderman fan threw n threw. but.....no way could he beat namor. only way is if he out smarted him big time in to some trap or something.

namor wins this one

[Victor Creed]

much love as I have for Spidey, Namor would just wipe the floor with him.

I'm just wondering, but how would Namor wipe the floor with Spider-Man?

[Zoken]

He would grab the web slinger, rip his mask off, turn him upside down, dunk his head in the east river, and then rub it along any number of dirty floors in the New York area. Namor is faster, stronger, and can fly. He's also pretty damn smart (A king after all)

[Warhammer]

Yea, ok, because Namor is stronger than Thor, lol. :rolleyes:

I'm just wondering, but how would Namor wipe the floor with Spider-Man?

Not to dog on you, but you must be a die-hard Spider-Man fan right?

:cool:

[Victor Creed]

Not to dog on you, but you must be a die-hard Spider-Man fan right?

:cool:

Actually not at all. A friend of mine told me about times that Spider-Man has taken on Thor and since I saw everyone saying Spidey would lose without thought I was curious as to how.

[Zoken]

all due props to Thor, but he's not exactly a rocket scientist.

[Victor Creed]

all due props to Thor, but he's not exactly a rocket scientist.

I just don't think you're giving Spider-Man any credit.

[Zoken]

Hey man, I love Spidey, on my top ten list, but Namor would Own him. Spidey usually outsmarts his obscenely strong villains, but he wouldn't be able to outsmart Namor.

[taskmaster]

Namor

[Victor Creed]

Hey man, I love Spidey, on my top ten list, but Namor would Own him. Spidey usually outsmarts his obscenely strong villains, but he wouldn't be able to outsmart Namor.

I just seriously doubt it would be as one sided a victory as that though.

[Toby_Temple]

Namor. But it won't be easy. Spider-Man is quite clever. But Namor's strength, durability, and speed will give him the win.

[Midnight Ice]

Namor:xmen:

[Sachsmachine]

Namor

[Vanguard07]

I wonder if Spidey's new stingers (as much as i hate em) would be able to pierce Namor's skin. Cause if so then Spidey'd no doubt be able to plant a few good strikes with em. then sit back and wait for the drugs in em to go to work.
I also wanna know how potent the drug in them is. I dont care one way or another they gotta go. But seeing as how he has them for now I just kinda wanna know specifically what the deal is.

[Zoken]

Doesn't matter, he doesn't have the powers. rules of the MCCT state that the character has the powers he had at the time the picture was "taken"

[supermarvelman]

I just don't think you're giving Spider-Man any credit.

I just seriously doubt it would be as one sided a victory as that though.

Enough credit

This match is way closer than it shopuld be last time i checked it was 15-12 Namor a lot closer than it should be. Almost everybody who has voted for Namor have stated that there SM fans.

Those new stongers might help a little though.

[Victor Creed]

Enough credit

This match is way closer than it shopuld be last time i checked it was 15-12 Namor a lot closer than it should be. Almost everybody who has voted for Namor have stated that there SM fans.

Those new stongers might help a little though.

Yea, but I was under the impression that this wasn't Ultimate Namor or anything. Ultimate Namor I could see winning, but the old Namor, I can't see it. Also, as the fact that everyone keeps saying that Namor is faster than Spidey, isn't that just in water.

[supermarvelman]

I wasnt talking Ultimate Namor either, i dont think i ever implied that.

[Vanguard07]

Doesn't matter, he doesn't have the powers. rules of the MCCT state that the character has the powers he had at the time the picture was "taken"

Ah I see. I just assumed it was their abilities when they were last seen.
I'm not changing my vote though. Namor'd win but not with ease.
Yeah Namor's fought the entire fantastic four but so has Spidey.
He fought them to a standstill at 16 for god's sake. And he used to do the same thing to the X-men all the time. And Spiderman's gotten considerably more powerful and more skilled since then. Namor hasnt improved nearly as much since then.

[supermarvelman]

Yea, but I was under the impression that this wasn't Ultimate Namor or anything. Ultimate Namor I could see winning, but the old Namor, I can't see it. Also, as the fact that everyone keeps saying that Namor is faster than Spidey, isn't that just in water.

He's faster than him on surface, but way faster than him under water.

It would be Spideys best bet to stay out of water though since Namor Strength level drops the longer he's out of water, but all he needs to do is dunk himself in some water and he's at full strength again.

[Victor Creed]

I wasnt talking Ultimate Namor either, i dont think i ever implied that.

Yes, but I had seen reference to his fighting of the FF4 which happened in Ultimate. Not that big a feat considering his powers. He can see the Invisible Woman, Flamer can't burn him, the Thing is a rock for god sakes, and Stretch Armstrong isn't all that great, lol.

[supermarvelman]

I love Spider-man but lets be realistic about it.

[supermarvelman]

Yes, but I had seen reference to his fighting of the FF4 which happened in Ultimate. Not that big a feat considering his powers. He can see the Invisible Woman, Flamer can't burn him, the Thing is a rock for god sakes, and Stretch Armstrong isn't all that great, lol.

In all the years Namor and the FF have been around in the 616, your saying Namor has never taken on the whole FF. OKAY...

Invisible Women doesnt just turn invisible, she's like a telekinetic, a jedi without a lightsaber.

[Victor Creed]

In all the years Namor and the FF have been around in the 616, your saying Namor has never taken on the whole FF. OKAY...

I never said that so don't be a smart ass.

I know he has worked against the FF4 before, but the only time IMHO he was ever a real threat was in Ultimate.

[Vanguard07]

Then you've obviously never read any of the comics where Namor declared war on the surface world.

[Victor Creed]

Then you've obviously never read any of the comics where Namor declared war on the surface world.

I haven't and I never once said I had. Nor did I say that I couldn't be wrong. I'm man enough to admit that if it turns out to be so.

[newmexneon]

Namor is in the 80 ton range and has limited invulnerability.

Spidey is way outclassed in this match.

Namor

[POWdER-man]

Namor is in the 80 ton range and has limited invulnerability.

Spidey is way outclassed in this match.

Namor

So does Rhino....as for speed, Firelord has speed, strength and invulnerability near if not more than Namor. As well as SS when the Carnage symbiote merged with it.

If this was on an even play field, Namor wouldn't have access to the water. Since that would be too much of a great advantage for him. So Namor can weaken as much as the 40 ton Range which is far inferior than some of SM's past foes he has faced.

I actually think SM is being underestimated. If I could find the pics of Namor facing Daredevil I would. But anyways he held his own for A LONG time against Namor. And SM's powers and abilities are far superior than Daredevils.

This would be a hard fight, but there is no way that Namor will blow him out of the water unless they are next to water. And even in the city (NY) it would be a great distance for Namor to travel to get to the water. Which I really don't see Namor doing in a middle of a fight.

[Zoken]

also remember that Namor has over sixty years of experience in the fighting game.

[supermarvelman]

He's a veteran even compared to Spider-man.

[Vanguard07]

true. But that wouldnt help him land a hit. It's Namor's endurance over Spideys that'd decide this.

[POWdER-man]

Yeah endurance would be definitely in Namor's favor, but it wouldn't be the first time SM "takes a break" and tries to get a little distance to have a breather...

[Calendar Man]

In comics the more popular character usually wins. I bet the writers would find a way for Spidey to win this contest on most occasions. Maybe not in a fair fight but he would outsmart Namor some how. Also Namor deserves to lose this based on how horrible that picture of him is.

[gliderpilotgirl]

Spider-Man. He's smarter!

[Sparta*]

20 - 13 is the final tally for Namor!

[Sparta*]

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CAPTAIN AMERICA
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GHOST RIDER
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[Victor Creed]

Great Matchup Sparta*.

I'm gonna have to give this to Captain America though. He has that damn shield and all, lol.

[Calendar Man]

Captin America.

[Quentin Beck]

Captain America

[3dman27]

the living legend of wwII

[spartin2008]

Cap

[Andykin]

Cap, cuz ghost rider's head scares me. jk

[supes_el]

Cap

[blah]

hmmmm.....
Captian Amerikaner!

[JeanGrey[GR]]

Captain America

[Ahura Mazda]

Cap

[TheFalcon]

Captain America

[POWdER-man]

Captain America, it's hard not to vote for Cap unless you believe there is absolutely no chance of him winning....

[gliderpilotgirl]

Cap

[1987olds442]

Ghost Rider... Cap is tough but not tough enough to take the Ghost Rider.

[STR1]

Ghost Rider... Cap is tough but not tough enough to take the Ghost Rider.

My thoughts too.


Ghost Rider!

[bkhedr]

Cap

[XFanTim]

How the hell is Cap winning this by so much? I can't think of any way he could possibly hurt Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider has unbreakable bones (and even when he has been blown apart, he can pull himself back together), he has an indestructable bike with wheels made of hellfire (which he can mentally control), he has an unbreakable chain that he can mentally control, which he can turn into weapons ranging from a spear to shuriken, he has a significant amount of superhuman strength (probably more than Spider-Man but less than the Thing), he has the "penance stare" which forces people to experience all the pain they've ever caused others.

Cap has fighting skills, an unbreakable shield, and a whole lot of spirit.

I know Captain America has a knack for triumphing even when the odds are stacked against him, but how would he even hurt Ghost Rider? I can't think of any time he's been seriously harmed except by magic (be it spells, magical creatures, or other forms of magical attacks), or by technology that was specifically designed to work against magic.

Unless you can actually think of reasonable way Cap would win, then saying "He'd find a way because he's Captain America" is an enormous cop out.

I vote Ghost Rider:ghost:

[Silver Sable]

Cappy

[XFanTim]

Oh, and to those who may respond to that argument by saying how is Ghost Rider going to hurt Cap (who is faster, more agile, and more skilled in fighting), I'd say that even if Cap can dodge and block GR's attacks indefinitely (which personally I find doubtful), the fact is Ghost Rider will never tire and never weaken because he's not human. Cap has enhanced endurance from the super soldier serum, but he's still a human being with human limits like the need for food and sleep. Eventually, he'll slow to the point that Ghost Rider hits him, at which point Cap's resistance to injury consists of what, chain mail? Ghost Rider, by comparison, is indestructible. Unless Cap happens to find a gun that shoots hellfire in the course of the fight, he's pretty much screwed.

[wiegeabo]

Ghost Rider

[Midnight Ice]

I vote for Cap, bringing the final score to

15-5

Winner: Captain America

Next match up soon.:xmen:

[Midnight Ice]

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Lady Deathstrike

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Hawkeye
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[3dman27]

Clint

[Logan Howlett]

Lady D

[TheFalcon]

Lady Deathstrike

[bkhedr]

If she ever got close to him she'd win
but he could put an arrow through each pupil before she did

Clint wins

[XFanTim]

I vote for Cap, bringing the final score to 15-5
Winner: Captain America
Or 1-0 for Ghost Rider if we're counting those who actually made a cogent argument :p

[XFanTim]

Lady Deathstrike
Cybernetically enhanced strength, agility and reflexes
Adamantium skeleton and claws
Healing factor

vs.

Hawkeye
world's greatest archer
arsenal of trick arrows (explosive, etc).
olympic level agility and reflexes

Given that Deathstrike has superhuman reflexes, it may be hard for Hawkeye to land a shot in the short time it would take her to cover the distance to him and kick his ass in hand-to-hand combat. (I know he's insanely accurate, but it's not like he can change the arrows direction in mid-air once she starts to dodge.) Plus, she'd shrug off many of the arrows in his arsenal, and is he really going to go straight to the high-explosive stuff against an opponent who looks more-or-less human?

I'd say Deathstrike wins this, unless they're starting at opposite ends of a field (in which case Deathstrike would have to charge through a prolonged barrage of arrows with no cover to get to Hawkeye).

[XFanTim]

but he could put an arrow through each pupil before she didBut how often does Clint attack in such a ruthless way? Maybe as a last ditch effort in a prolonged life-or-death fight . . . but this wouldn't be a prolonged fight. The moment Deathstrike gets near him, it's all over.

Also, given that Deathstrike is mostly machine and has a "cybernetic healing factor", I'm not even sure two arrows in the eyes would stop her. Hasn't she stood up to some pretty ruthless attacks from Wolverine's claws? But I'm not sure Clint is familiar enough with her to realize what kind of measures are called for -- at least not before it's too late.

[STR1]

As soon as Lady Deathstrike gets ahold of Hawkeye....its over! :eek:

I don't see any other way Hawk can win other than throwing arrows which I doubt will hurt the Lady.

Lady D wins.

[Lady Stormcrow]

lady deathstrike

[Silver Sable]

Yuriko

[JeanGrey[GR]]

lady deathstrike

[Horseman Gambit]

Hawkeye

[Hellstormer]

Deathstrike

[Nimrandir]

Lady Deathstrike

[spartin2008]

Lady Deathstrike

[Sparta*]

I can't believe Captain America trampled Ghost Rider that badly...I know everyone likes Cap, and he is lots of people's faves, but one on one against Ghost Rider with no prep, he would probably lose.

I'm sick of people just voting for who they like more, so i've decided to impliment the rule where if you don't explain why you think the character you are voting for would win in at least 2 - 3 sentences then your vote will not count.

Based on that rule, Ghost Rider won the last match-up with a vote of 1 - 0 thanks to XFANTIM's arguement. I know this new rule will greatly decrease the amount of valid votes in the thread, but that is a loss i'm willing to take.

It's hard enough as it is trying to find match-ups to post, or match-ups that will be close in votes because I can't put any popular character against a less popular character, regardless of skill, because the popular character always wins...it's ridiculous, and i'd be lying if I said it didn't piss me off. Either a lot of you just don't know very much about the characters in the match-ups, or are just ignoring my constant yammering about voting for who would ACTUALLY WIN. This isn't just in regards to the Cap vs Ghost Rider match-up...but many, many, other ones. I'm at my wits end about this...so thats why the new rule is in effect.

Anyways...my vote in the new match-up is for Lady Deathstrike. All she has to do is get close enough to Hawkeye and the fight is over. Her cyborg enhanced body makes her faster, stronger, and more agile then Hawkeye, and her adamantium claws are deadly.

[Logan Howlett]

Well my explination for Lady D is that she is a superhuman/mutant/cyborg, and Hawkeye is just a guy with a realy good eye and a few trick arrows. Hawkeyes fighting Lady D would basicaly be him fighting the female version of Wolverine, WITH cybernetic implants and MORE adimantium! She is insanely fast, and has an inhuman mechanical agility that would allow her to pounce on him and slash his throaght before he could reach the quiver!

[Colossal Spoons]

Finally, this will definately weed out the fanboys. Sparta, be sure to include the new rule when yo post a new match-up; at least for a while so nobody can say "Hey, I didn't know". :up:

New rule being in effect: I vote Lady Deathstrike just because I don't think Clint has anything in his arsenal to stop Yuriko before she slit his throat. Unless he's got some new arrows I'm unaware of.

[DeGenerate10]

Hawkeye

[kytrigger]

I can't believe Captain America trampled Ghost Rider that badly...I know everyone likes Cap, and he is lots of people's faves, but one on one against Ghost Rider with no prep, he would probably lose.

I'm sick of people just voting for who they like more, so i've decided to impliment the rule where if you don't explain why you think the character you are voting for would win in at least 2 - 3 sentences then your vote will not count.

Based on that rule, Ghost Rider won the last match-up with a vote of 1 - 0 thanks to XFANTIM's arguement. I know this new rule will greatly decrease the amount of valid votes in the thread, but that is a loss i'm willing to take.

It's hard enough as it is trying to find match-ups to post, or match-ups that will be close in votes because I can't put any popular character against a less popular character, regardless of skill, because the popular character always wins...it's ridiculous, and i'd be lying if I said it didn't piss me off. Either a lot of you just don't know very much about the characters in the match-ups, or are just ignoring my constant yammering about voting for who would ACTUALLY WIN. This isn't just in regards to the Cap vs Ghost Rider match-up...but many, many, other ones. I'm at my wits end about this...so thats why the new rule is in effect.

Anyways...my vote in the new match-up is for Lady Deathstrike. All she has to do is get close enough to Hawkeye and the fight is over. Her cyborg enhanced body makes her faster, stronger, and more agile then Hawkeye, and her adamantium claws are deadly.

hey Sparta, I agree with your new rule as it will create "better" competitions, but I have one question. Let's say somebody has a great argument on why Ghost Rider would beat Cap (like XFanTim). If everything (and more) that I would have said was included in his post, can I simply say that I agree with XFanTim's statements and vote Ghost Rider, or would I have to say more for my vote to count?

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm voting for Deathstrike because of the fact that her reflexes would probably be fast enough to either destroy or deflect anything Clint tosses at her, should he try one of his capture arrows with some implements to contain her for a moment, she's slice it like a hot knife through butter. Eventually she would close and then Hawkeye's a boxed lunch.

Lady Deathstrike

(btw Sparta, THANK YOU for the new rule)

[Jecht]

Lady Deathstrike, because she's a better fighter. Hawkeye's aiming and accuracy won't do much to an almost unstoppable cyborg.

[Logan Howlett]

Lady Deathstrike



Veiw new rule!

[ookami]

Hawkeye

[Vanguard07]

Lady Deathstrike. She's an unstoppable killer cyborg. Hawkeye wouldnt be able to keep her away and as soon as she got close she'd rip him to pieces.

[spartin2008]

I already voted for Lady Deathstrike but here is my argument, if, and that is only if Hawkeye could get enough distance and time then he might last long, but Lady Deathstrike would as everyone else have stated, rip him to shreads...if Hawkeye had prep time. he would last longer, but there is still only like a %10 chance then that he would win. So there for Deathstrike takes this one.

[bkhedr]

But how often does Clint attack in such a ruthless way? Maybe as a last ditch effort in a prolonged life-or-death fight . . . but this wouldn't be a prolonged fight. The moment Deathstrike gets near him, it's all over.

Also, given that Deathstrike is mostly machine and has a "cybernetic healing factor", I'm not even sure two arrows in the eyes would stop her. Hasn't she stood up to some pretty ruthless attacks from Wolverine's claws? But I'm not sure Clint is familiar enough with her to realize what kind of measures are called for -- at least not before it's too late.

You've convinced me
Lady D wins

[Sparta*]

hey Sparta, I agree with your new rule as it will create "better" competitions, but I have one question. Let's say somebody has a great argument on why Ghost Rider would beat Cap (like XFanTim). If everything (and more) that I would have said was included in his post, can I simply say that I agree with XFanTim's statements and vote Ghost Rider, or would I have to say more for my vote to count?

It wouldn't hurt if you tried to think of something else to add, but if you couldn't, then you could just say you agree with whomever's arguements. I don't want to see that everytime though...it can happen once in a while, but try to be original as much as you can :up:

[Sparta*]

I'm voting for Deathstrike because of the fact that her reflexes would probably be fast enough to either destroy or deflect anything Clint tosses at her, should he try one of his capture arrows with some implements to contain her for a moment, she's slice it like a hot knife through butter. Eventually she would close and then Hawkeye's a boxed lunch.

Lady Deathstrike

(btw Sparta, THANK YOU for the new rule)

No problem man...I think it'll help out a bit around here :up: :D

[supermarvelman]

Lady Deathstrike, simply because Hawkeye is a normal human with no super abilities, just highly accurate aiming ability. That can only do so much.

[Warhammer]

Deathstrike.

[kytrigger]

I think that while Hawkeye might be able to fend off Deathstrike for a while, there was no way he would be able to completely incapacitate her. She would just keep getting closer until Hawkeye ran out of arrrows, and then he is screwed.

[Anubis]

Lady D

[Calendar Man]

Hawkeye.

[Andykin]

I sat here for ten minutes trying to think of how in the world Hawkeye would win this battle. I REALLY, REALLY want Hawkeye to win, but the only way he'd win would be dumb luck. Deathstrike would tear his ass up one side and down the other. Every thing has been said as to how and way the Lady would win; all I can add is, sorry Hawkeye, you just got served.

Deathstrike