Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[Anubis]

The only way I could see him winning is if he just happened to have those God Arrows that Thor gave him.

[This I.........]

Hawkeye

[Sachsmachine]

Lady Deathstrike

[Ahura Mazda]

I am voting for Deathstrike unless he has prep time and some kind of trick arrow that could put her down. If the range is gone, the combat would be a foregone conclusion.

[1987olds442]

How the hell is Cap winning this by so much? I can't think of any way he could possibly hurt Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider has unbreakable bones (and even when he has been blown apart, he can pull himself back together), he has an indestructable bike with wheels made of hellfire (which he can mentally control), he has an unbreakable chain that he can mentally control, which he can turn into weapons ranging from a spear to shuriken, he has a significant amount of superhuman strength (probably more than Spider-Man but less than the Thing), he has the "penance stare" which forces people to experience all the pain they've ever caused others.

Cap has fighting skills, an unbreakable shield, and a whole lot of spirit.

I know Captain America has a knack for triumphing even when the odds are stacked against him, but how would he even hurt Ghost Rider? I can't think of any time he's been seriously harmed except by magic (be it spells, magical creatures, or other forms of magical attacks), or by technology that was specifically designed to work against magic.

Unless you can actually think of reasonable way Cap would win, then saying "He'd find a way because he's Captain America" is an enormous cop out.

I vote Ghost Rider:ghost:Exactly :up:

I would like to see how anyone could explain exactly how Cap could actually beat the Ghost Rider. I thought this was suppose to be a tournament of whom could defeat whom not who they like the best.

And for the current match I vote for Lady Deathstrike.

[Quentin Beck]

Lady Deathstrike

[Sparta*]

so far it is 12 - 1 for Lady Deathstrike (only counting votes with explanations)

if Midnight Ice doesn't post a new match-up in the next little while, i'll post one :up:

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, let's see a Leifield Cap pic.

[Sparta*]

Yeah, let's see a Leifield Cap pic.

lol, never...not in my thread! :p

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, I slipped ONCE, let it DIE damn you!

*Cries*

[Sparta*]

lol, I slipped ONCE, let it DIE damn you!

*Cries*

.......you brought it up, not me :O



:p

[POWdER-man]

Deathstrike, and you can only beat a redundant horse so much, but anyways...

It's obvious that physically she has the advantage in speed, agility, strength and durability. Not only that but she also is quite technologically inclined and does use an arsenal of her own weapons that she could use in greater distances. However, she will be on top of him before he knows it, and a few smaller powered arrows won't do much against her cybernetic frame. Than on top of that she has her adamantium claws...so yaddi, yaddi, yaddi...Deathstrike....

[Colossal Spoons]

I love seeing all these explanations. :up:

How about Tanaraq vs Wendigo or Sasquatch vs The Brute, or tag-team them up.

[XFanTim]

Thumbs up to the explanation rule :up:

[spartin2008]

Yeah, no new match still though.

[Genesis 1.0]

~Thor vs Gladiator~

[Warhammer]

Has there been a Magneto vs. Doctor Polaris?

[blah]

I think there was a Polaris vs Dr. Polaris

[Midnight Ice]

so far it is 12 - 1 for Lady Deathstrike (only counting votes with explanations)

if Midnight Ice doesn't post a new match-up in the next little while, i'll post one :up:
So, am I only supposed to count votes with explanations now?:xmen:

[Midnight Ice]

I can't believe Captain America trampled Ghost Rider that badly...I know everyone likes Cap, and he is lots of people's faves, but one on one against Ghost Rider with no prep, he would probably lose.

I'm sick of people just voting for who they like more, so i've decided to impliment the rule where if you don't explain why you think the character you are voting for would win in at least 2 - 3 sentences then your vote will not count.

Based on that rule, Ghost Rider won the last match-up with a vote of 1 - 0 thanks to XFANTIM's arguement. I know this new rule will greatly decrease the amount of valid votes in the thread, but that is a loss i'm willing to take.

It's hard enough as it is trying to find match-ups to post, or match-ups that will be close in votes because I can't put any popular character against a less popular character, regardless of skill, because the popular character always wins...it's ridiculous, and i'd be lying if I said it didn't piss me off. Either a lot of you just don't know very much about the characters in the match-ups, or are just ignoring my constant yammering about voting for who would ACTUALLY WIN. This isn't just in regards to the Cap vs Ghost Rider match-up...but many, many, other ones. I'm at my wits end about this...so thats why the new rule is in effect.

Anyways...my vote in the new match-up is for Lady Deathstrike. All she has to do is get close enough to Hawkeye and the fight is over. Her cyborg enhanced body makes her faster, stronger, and more agile then Hawkeye, and her adamantium claws are deadly.
ok, gotcha! This will help a lot! It is hard to come up with good matches.:xmen:

[STR1]

Whens the next battle?

[Midnight Ice]

Final Count 13-1 for Deathstrike!!

New matchup in a sec...:xmen:

[Midnight Ice]

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Fantastic Four&She-Hulk
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Classic Avengers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/ClassicAvengers.jpg

Remember people...explanations!!:xmen:

[Anubis]

The Classic Avengers. Too much power for the FF to handle. Thor and Hulk are just too much of a match for Ben and She-Hulk. And Reed is a very smart guy, but so is Stark and Dr. Pym. They just got them beat in too many areas.

[This I.........]

Fantastic 4 and She Hulk, because the hulk will most likely end up fighting his own team, plus come on besides me who would turn on family

[XFanTim]

Well, let's see . . .

ROUND 1

Human Torch vs. Thor: Thor's hammer can absorb the energy of Torch's nova flame, and Thor can whip up a huricane and blow Torch out of the sky. Thor wins.

She-Hulk vs Iron Man: Both have strength and duribility, but Iron Man has flight and repulsor blasts too. (I don't know much about Iron Man's classic armor, but I'm assuming he had the same basic powers that he has now.) Iron Man wins.

The Thing vs. Hulk: Two bruisers, but the Hulk is flat-out stronger. Hulk wins.

Mr. Fantastic vs. Captain America: Cap's fighting skill won't do him any good as Reed's body simply absorbs the impact of all his blows. Reed tangles Cap up and takes him out. Mr. Fantastic wins.

Invisible Woman vs. Wasp and Ant-Man: Sue goes invisible, eliminating her opponent's chance at using their small size to take her by surprise. Then she traps them in a couple of invisible bubbles, and the diminutive Avengers soon pass out from lack of oxygen. Invisible Woman wins.

ROUND 2

Invisible Woman vs. the Hulk: Sue tries to hold Hulk in one of her invisible forcefields, but this only makes him angry. As Hulk gets madder, well, you know what happens. Unable to hold him much longer, Sue tries a desperate tactic, creating an invisible bubble in his lungs and forcing the air out of them. With an invisible forcefield blocking his windpipe, Hulk can't get another breath, and falls to the ground unconscious. Invisible Woman wins. (Bit of an upset here, but I'm trying to give the FF every chance, since I consider them the underdogs.)

Mr. Fantastic vs. Thor: Reed stretches to and fro, dodging Thor's lightning bolts. But Thor whips up a tornado that sucks Reed into it, spinning him round and round and disorienting him. A final blast of lightning takes Reed out of the fight. Thor wins.

ROUND 3

Invisible Woman vs. Thor and Iron Man: I guess Tony skipped the previous round to go make a beer run, but now he's back with a vengeance. And between him and Thor, Sue is simply overwhelmed. Her forcefields barely stood up to the pounding Hulk gave them, and now with Iron Man and Thor blasting away at them in unison, her shields give way. Sue manages to put a few dents in Stark's armor, but then mighty Mjolnir knocks her out cold.
Avengers win

[Sparta*]

I'm really glad I scanned that Classic Avengers card :up: It's cool. Nuts to you for using it before I could MI :p

I'm giving this match-up to the Avengers. I think the Hulk and Thor would take out Human Torch, Thing, and She-Hulk, and still have fight in them. Then Iron Man would be able to take out Reed, and Sue get's a cheapshot from the Wasp. Sue would be the last to go...she would be their only line of defense...but the poor woman cant hold Hulk, let alone Hulk and Thor.

[Sparta*]

Has there been a Magneto vs. Doctor Polaris?
I think there was a Polaris vs Dr. Polaris

This is the MARVEL Comics Character Tournament :p

[Sparta*]

So, am I only supposed to count votes with explanations now?:xmen:

Yup. Only votes with a decent explanation get counted towards the final tally because those are the people who vote with reason, and not just for who they like more :up:

[STR1]

The Thunder god and Hulk are too much for the Fantastic Four. Thor has too many ways to fight that FF won't be able to countertack. But not only is Thor and Hulk a threat but also the brains of Pym and Iron Man. She-Hulk might be an obstacle to the Avengers but nothing the Green Giant can't handle quick.

Avengers win.

[Zoken]

Classic Avengers without even Antman and Wasp. Thor and Hulk are more powerful than any member of the other team, just on their own.

[Calendar Man]

Yup. Only votes with a decent explanation get counted towards the final tally because those are the people who vote with reason, and not just for who they like more :up:

This is lame. Who has that kind of time on their hands?

[Sparta*]

This is lame. Who has that kind of time on their hands?

If you have time to stop by the thread and vote, you have time to write a few sentences explaining why you think whichever character would win. I'm doing it in an attempt to make this thread a little more meaningful and intelligent. If you don't like it, you don't have to explain why you voted the way you did, but your vote won't officially count in the final tally. I don't like counting votes from people who just vote for whoever they like more...if people explain, the final results will be a lot more fair because those people back up why they think their character would win.

Besides, there are enough vs threads now where people can just mindlessly pick a character that they like...I try to encourage intelligent debates and discussions about the fights using everyones knowledge of skill levels and previous encounters of the characters fighting. I like discussion and I like people who are willing to argue their points and defend them when necessary...if everyone here did that, it would be great :up: (a lot of you guys do already, and thats awesome :up: you know who you are ;))

[Calendar Man]

If you have time to stop by the thread and vote, you have time to write a few sentences explaining why you think whichever character would win. I'm doing it in an attempt to make this thread a little more meaningful and intelligent. If you don't like it, you don't have to explain why you voted the way you did, but your vote won't officially count in the final tally. I don't like counting votes from people who just vote for whoever they like more...if people explain, the final results will be a lot more fair because those people back up why they think their character would win.

Fair enough.

[Toby_Temple]

Classic Avengers! Hulk and Thor are more than enough for the Fantastic Four. Add Iron Man to the two and its check mate! She-Hulk might be an additional muscle for FF but Iron-Man can match her even with his old armor.

[spartin2008]

I will admit here, I like the FF better, but i think that Avengers would win because Thor and Hulk are nearly too much for The hole FF, and then you got Stark and Pym who are geniuses.

[1987olds442]

The Classic Avengers. Too much power for the FF to handle. Thor and Hulk are just too much of a match for Ben and She-Hulk. And Reed is a very smart guy, but so is Stark and Dr. Pym. They just got them beat in too many areas.What he said...

The Classic Avengers.

[Silver Sable]

Classic Avengers

[Vanguard07]

Classic Avengers have way more power between Thor and Hulk. Plus they've got better leadership from Cap than the FF does with Reed (IMO at least. It's probably actually pretty close) And Iron Man and Antman match up with the brains. They outnumber, outmaneuver and overpower.

Classic Avengers

[Sachsmachine]

Fine don't count my vote but I'm still voting Avengers.

[iambilly81]

hulk and thor alone could take them down. let alone a guy like cap to lead the way and guide them.

[Toby_Temple]

Classic Avengers

Ah... You need to put an explanation if you want your vote to be counted.

[Calendar Man]

What he said...

The Classic Avengers.

What he said, he said...

The Classic Avengers

[Colossal Spoons]

Fine don't count my vote but I'm still voting Avengers.


Wasted vote...and post.

[Ahura Mazda]

I have to go with Classic Avengers. I honestly think either Hulk or Thor could take out the whole team.

Xfanttim's tactic of the force field in the lung is great but has she ever used it and if she did could she not just put down everybody.

in addition, I don't even see what F4 + She hulk could even do against Thor. They are outclassed in power by far. Of course if Reed somehow gets his hand on the ultimate nullyfier ;)

[Quentin Beck]

Classic Avengers. Mainly because they have a thunder god on there team plus the more Hulk fights the more angry and strong he gets! :)

[3dman27]

The Classic Avengers. Too much power for the FF to handle. Thor and Hulk are just too much of a match for Ben and She-Hulk. And Reed is a very smart guy, but so is Stark and Dr. Pym. They just got them beat in too many areas.
i agree with anubis on this
is this acceptable sparta/

[POWdER-man]

With two powerhouses like Hulk and Thor, they will just be too much for Thing and She Hulk in either individual matchup.

Johnny, Sue and Reed might have better luck on their end against the other avengers with Cap, Iron Man, Ant-man and Wasp. Iron man could take Johnny since they both have flight but IM's suit would give him more durability against Johnny's attacks, and his repulsor beams will still hit Johnny and probably be enough to knock him out.

Wasp and Ant-man against Reed. At first glance you might think he has the advantage but Ant-man can shrink Reed when he touches him and Wasp has her powerful energy stings that will be too much for Reed once he has shrunk. He can absorb blasts but in his shrunken state I would think it would have more impact on him.

Which leaves Sue and Cap, and unfortunately for Cap he got the ****ty end of the stick on this one. Sue will more than likely take this individual matchup but it's at a moot point since she will have to deal with the rest of the Avengers right after, if they haven't come in to help Cap before then.

So, yaddi, yaddi, yaddi.....Avengers

[blah]

The classic Avengers because they are built as a strong army unit, but the FF are more of adventurers. They outnumber their strong guys with a 3:2 ratio and got a member who gets stronger as the battle goes on. Thor can conjure rain to dampen the hothead, Ant-man and wasp can handle the lovely couple using their powers of shrinking to wreak havoc with their inner ear and balances.

[TheFalcon]

Classic Avengers

[Sparta*]

i agree with anubis on this
is this acceptable sparta/

Yes :up: Thanks for quoting who you are agreeing with.

[Midnight Ice]

This is lame. Who has that kind of time on their hands?
Apparently you do. With a post count high like yours since December, it shouldn't be hard to write a couple extra sentences. :up:

Saparta* is right, it should make this thread better and help it stand out even more amongst the other VS threads.:xmen:

[Silicon Surfer]

I have to go with the FF. The classic Avengers depicted were nowhere near as powerful as the ones you are familiar with. The Wasp and Ant Man had very little firepower. Ironmans armor was wimpy compared to even the armor of the 70's. Even in the early days when his flame was much weaker Johnny proved that neither Iron Man nor the Hulk could stand up to his flame. The She Hulk likewise could peel Iron Mans' armor like a banana. Sues' forcefield has withstood the power of Galactus and could easily contain the entire Avengers teamuntil they ran out of air. Or she could expand the field rapidly taking them out by rapid decompression.Even without the She Hulk the FF are out of the Classic Avengers league.





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[Hellstormer]

well I don't think that civilians would win and She-Hulk would sit out because she's bee on both teams so I say Avengers

[Midnight Ice]

well I don't think that civilians would win and She-Hulk would sit out because she's bee on both teams so I say Avengers
civilians....both teams...what??:xmen:

[Midnight Ice]

Well, total score:

16-2 Classic Avengers!!

Next match up soon...

[Midnight Ice]

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Hulk
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Hulk.jpg

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Hulk 2099
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Hulk2099.jpg

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Juggernaught
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Juggernaut.jpg
Remember people...explanations!!:xmen:

[Sparta*]

I can't decide lol I need to think about it some more :D

[STR1]

How about a bio for Hulk 2099 before I make a decision. I am guessing that is the classic Juggy and not the weak one we have know?

[XFanTim]

Is that Professor Hulk?

[Sparta*]

How about a bio for Hulk 2099 before I make a decision. I am guessing that is the classic Juggy and not the weak one we have know?

It's classic Juggy

I can't really find out much about Hulk 2099, but here is a little bit of info...


Biography:A noble group called the Knights of Banner attempted a gamma radiation experiment to create a new Hulk. The former Hollywood producer, John Eisenhart, discovered and reported them. When law enforcement tried to destroy the Knights for their evil actions, Eisenhart defended them and was subjected to an accidental gamma explosion and became a green behemoth. He used his powers to battle all the malevolence occuring in Marvel's dark future. Hulk thwarted plots by Alchemax and the other evil corporations until Herod wrested control of America from Doom. Herod sent out an order to exterminate all super-heroes, he sent SHIELD agents after Hulk. These agents found and destroyed the green giant.

Powers and Weapons:Hulk 2099's primary power is the same as Hulk of presnt time's: he is unfathomably strong! He can also leap great distances, akin his 20th century counterpart. To this dangerous demenaor Hulk 2099 makes the addition of nasty fangs and claws.

[Sparta*]

Is that Professor Hulk?

It looks like Professor Hulk on the card, so i'm assuming so :up:

[XFanTim]

Hmm . . . I guess I'll give this to the Professor Hulk. With his superior intelligence, he could probably manipulate the other two into fighting each other (shouldn't be too hard, as they're both kind of hot-headed.) I'd say Juggernaut's the most indestructible of the three, since he's actually rendered totally invulnerable by the magic of Cytorrak. So he'll eventually triumph over Hulk 2099, but not without a protracted battle. The professor can use that time to whip up some sort of weapon to take down Juggernaut (with his superpowered leaps taking him wherever he needs to go to get the necessary tech). Juggernaut may be immune to brute force, but he's been hurt by an ultrasonic attack before (when he fought Nimrod), and the Professor is smart enough to build something like that.

So I give this match to Hulk.

[Silicon Surfer]

Juggernaut tediously but certainly. The sonic attack or similar techniques will probably not work again. Juggy rarely falls for the same trick twice.In the end neither of the other 2 can hurt him while he can most certainly hurt them. Remember his shield will stop most attacks before they even touch him.

[Sachsmachine]

Juggs, as far as I know the only power that overrides his has to be one of a mystical source more powerful than Cyttorak's.

[kytrigger]

This is a tough one. I think that since it's as Professor Hulk it will actually help Juggernaut win this battle. Either way, I Don't think 2099 will stand much a a chance. His "added power" of claws is basically pointless in this fight seeing as how Hulk can regenerate from it in no time, and Juggs is basically indestructible.

I imagine Professor Hulk going after 2099 Hulk first. Since he still has the mentality of Banner, I feel that deep down he is still somewhat afraid of the Hulk, and after seeing 2099 Hulk I think that would be his first priority. While Juggs is by no means smart, I think he has enough brain power to stay out of the match for most of it unless he really sees an opportunity to take one of the others down. So this would basically leave Juggs vs a Hulk who has just had one hell of a battle. It is also known that while Professor Hulk starts off stronger than savage and grey Hulk, he isn't as good at "raging up" as the others, and I think he would tire more easily than anothe Hulk form. I think this would give enough of an edge for Juggs to win.

[Toby_Temple]

Professor Hulk! His intellect will give him this battle. He'll just watch as those two idiots square off each other. It will take some time before one of them falls down(I think Juggernaut will lose to Hulk 2099), then he'll invent/make a device to defeat any of them, one for Juggy and one for the other Hulk. He's smart enough to do that.

[Vanguard07]

I never liked the Prof Hulk. He was always so wimpy. Yeah he probably COULD build devices to beat his enemies but he always ended up just jumping in and hitting stuff. and considering he's by far the weaker of the other two combatants the running in and hitting stuff wouldnt work in his favor.

Hulk 2099's a cheap immitation.

I say Juggernaut for the win.

[Silver Sable]

Juggy

[1987olds442]

Hulk - The original one...

The Professor Hulk has fought the Juggernaut and and was able to put a bit of a hurting on him in the past. He has also fought several heavy hitters as the Merged/Professor and taken them down. Not to mention that he has a genius level intellect.

[Sachsmachine]

But none are the original, you get prof. hulk and 2099 hulk

[Toby_Temple]

Juggy

Dammit! *holds keyboard and slams it on table*<felt stupid>*got another keyboard* Don't you read? You need to supply your reasons why "character name" will win.

[1987olds442]

But none are the original, you get prof. hulk and 2099 hulkHe is still Bruce Banner "The Original 616 Hulk"

[Sachsmachine]

Yeah yeah get technical after I correct you.

[bkhedr]

Juggs wins because he's literally invulnerable.
The idea of Proffersor Hulk building a weapon to neutralize Juggs is an intruiging one, but I still have to go with the Juggernaut since I've acctually seen him beat the Prof (Savage Hulk would probably give Juggs more trouble)

I think 2099 might beat the Proffesor too. Assuming he's just as strong as the Hulk (base strength) and has the same regenerative powers, then it really comes down to Banner vs. Eisenhart and in that fight I go with Eisenhart because of his mean streak

[White_Howling]

Hulk 2099

[Ahura Mazda]

I give it to Professor as I see Hulk 2099 (incidentally killed by agents of Shield :rolleyes:) fighting Juggernaught who I doubt he will be able to defeat. However, Professor could use weapons and could create something that would knock Juggernaught out.

[Toby_Temple]

I give it to Professor as I see Hulk 2099 (incidentally killed by agents of Shield :rolleyes:) fighting Juggernaught who I doubt he will be able to defeat. However, Professor could use weapons and could create something that would knock Juggernaught out.

I was thinking about that, too. Cyttorak is not all-powerful. Juggy relies so much on his magical steroids.:mad:

[spartin2008]

I really want to go with Juggernaut...but im not...I do think that Hulk 2099 would fall to Juggs and Hulk...i dont think a copy is as good as an original...and unless Hulk gets calm(not going to happen) then he would just get stronger and stronger the more mad he gets...so therefor i go HULK.(AND FOR THE RECORD, I CANT STAND THE HULK!!!)

[blah]

Hulk 2099, because regular Hulk's raw power and the Juggernaut's unstoppable might cancells each other out. While Hulk 2099 have been fighting longer than both of the other two, so he has more experience and he's a lot more vicious and bloodthirsty.

[XFanTim]

Hulk 2099, because regular Hulk's raw power and the Juggernaut's unstoppable might cancells each other out. While Hulk 2099 have been fighting longer than both of the other two, so he has more experience and he's a lot more vicious and bloodthirsty.
How is Hulk 2099 more experienced than the other two? :confused:

EDIT: You know it's a different Hulk, right? Not the same Hulk 100 years later.

[blah]

How is Hulk 2099 more experienced than the other two. :confused:
He's from the future, duh!

[XFanTim]

See my edited comment above. He was created in the future, so he wasn't actually around all that long.

[blah]

No, I didn't know that.
But still I won't change my vote.

[POWdER-man]

You must be thinking about Maestro, although he looks completely different.

[blah]

No, I actually thought Hulk 2099 was Bruce Banner. I didn't read any of the 2099 books, I just hear about them here and there.

[TheFalcon]

Hulk

[STR1]

Juggernaut. If it would of been the savage Hulk my vote would of changed. Juggernaut can take out Hulk 2099 and even the Prof. Juggy is no where near as smart as Banner but is there really any way to stop the unstoppable?

[XFanTim]

No, I actually thought Hulk 2099 was Bruce Banner. I didn't read any of the 2099 books, I just hear about them here and there.
He was actually some entertainment exec or something. (I don't remember exactly -- I only bought the first book of his series when it came out.)

[Silicon Surfer]

It takes time and resouces to create weapons of any sophistication. There would not be any where near the time necessary even if you ignore the fact that Juggy would wait until the Hulk gets 3/4 done then smash it to pieces. And he would probably use the Hulk as his club

[Genesis 1.0]

Juggernaut has never had a decisive win over Hulk and same vice versa, there's always some funny business involved. As cited in Hulks own Guide, he got knocked out by Juggernaut, unarmored, granted he caught him by surprise but still. Hulk 2099 doesn't have enough experience in the comics to have a real factor here and I think that he'd be overmatched compared to the other two's experience. My money's on Juggernaut, generating that force field gives him the overrall edge here, especially since Hulk is going to have his attention split.

Juggernaut

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He's the Juggernaut BIATCH!

[Hellstormer]

Juggernaut because he has the cooler costume

[Anubis]

I'm gonna go with Classic Juggs. He's the only one that is virtually unkillable. There really isn't anything that either of them could do to take him down.

[iambilly81]

the classic hulk can get stronger with more anger, but juggs is just to unstoppable.

im going with juggernaut

[POWdER-man]

Juggs. It doesn't appear that Hulk 2099 is all that, and there is no way for Prof to stop it from attacking him as well as Juggs since there is no connection. I can see Hulk 2099 going out quickly by either juggs or prof, and than it will come down to juggs and prof and there is nothing physically Prof could do to him and he won't have time to construct anything.

[Anubis]

Now if it was 2099 Hulk possesed by Proteus, (Like it is right now in Exiles) then we would have ourselves a clear defined winner.

[Genesis 1.0]

If we in turn made Juggs into Trion or even 8th Day, it'd be a match again. Either way 2099 is out in the cold.

[Anubis]

The same could be said with Prof Hulk with Prep time.

[Genesis 1.0]

But of course, but I'm guessing that STILL leaves 2099 out back with the KY Jelly?

[Anubis]

I don't know, 2099 always seemed like an astroglide kinda guy to me.

[Genesis 1.0]

Bah, we both know Astroglide went out of business in 2098.:o

[XwolverineX]

Th' Hulk.

[Genesis 1.0]

Th' Hulk.

Yeah....you have to actually explain your choices or they aren't even counted.

[Midnight Ice]

Ok, only counting votes that were explained reasonably teh final score is:

Hulk 2099:1

Hulk: 5

Juggernaught: 10

WINNER: JUGGERNAUGHT


Next match up soon...

[Midnight Ice]

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Sabretooth
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Sabretooth.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp

The Lizard
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Lizard2.jpg

Remember people...explanations!!:xmen:

[Anubis]

The Lizard wins, easily. He's far stronger, and faster. Theres really nothing else I can say.

[spartin2008]

oooo...this is a toughfy...im going to think on this for about an hour...i will vote soon.

[POWdER-man]

Sorry Midnight Ice, this matchup isn't even close. Lizard is stronger and faster than SM, and he is quite durable and he can pull his opponent's punches. Then there is his tail that he has hit SM so many times with, even with SM's superhuman abilities and spidey sense. Sabretooth has advanced abilities but I would not put him anywhere around SM let alone Lizard, who Peter usually has to outsmart to beat him. And Sabretooth, well, isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not an idiot, just not that resourceful.

So Lizard.

[Zoken]

I'm going to say the Lizard.

[XFanTim]

I'll vote for the Lizard. Lizard is a tough fight for Spider-man, and Sabretooth is a tough fight for Wolverine. But Wolverine should never be in Spidey's league (some stupid fights between them notwithstanding). Totally different levels of strength and speed. And so, by annalogy . . .

Lizard wins.

[Sachsmachine]

Sorry Midnight Ice, this matchup isn't even close. Lizard is stronger and faster than SM, and he is quite durable and he can pull his opponent's punches. Then there is his tail that he has hit SM so many times with, even with SM's superhuman abilities and spidey sense. Sabretooth has advanced abilities but I would not put him anywhere around SM let alone Lizard, who Peter usually has to outsmart to beat him. And Sabretooth, well, isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not an idiot, just not that resourceful.

So Lizard.I agree I vote Lizard as well. I feel a vote should count if we agree with someone elses explanation.

[1987olds442]

Yeah yeah get technical after I correct you.What correction? :joker: You made it seem like that the Professor Hulk wasn't Bruce Banner.

[1987olds442]

The Lizard wins, easily. He's far stronger, and faster. Theres really nothing else I can say.Exactly that's why I'm voting for - The Lizard

[spartin2008]

Im going against everyone and going Sabertooth...He has healing factor so any damage done to him by Lizard would heal in time, enhanced sences which would alow him to be ready for an attack by Lizard, he could tear through Lizard with his claws and teeth, and he is exalant in hand to hand, he was trained by the CIA so my vote goes to

SABERTOOTH!

[omega smith]

sabertooth. too strong, healing factor, natural hunter, trained by weaponX, has a killer instinct, lizard is garbage

[XFanTim]

Im going against everyone and going Sabertooth...He has healing factor so any damage done to him by Lizard would heal in time, enhanced sences which would alow him to be ready for an attack by Lizard, he could tear through Lizard with his claws and teeth, and he is exalant in hand to hand, he was trained by the CIA so my vote goes to

SABERTOOTH!
Yeah, but the Lizard has his own regenerative abilities -- that's what made him into the Lizard in the first place.

Plus, if Lizard's fast enough to land hits on Spider-Man, I don't see Sabretooth getting out of the way . . . enhanced senses or no.

[Sparta*]

Sabretooth definatley does have killer instinct...but Lizard has more of a killer instinct because that is the sole thing that drives his actions...he is an animal...and animals survive because of their killer instinct.

I was wondering how many of you guys are happy with the new explanation rule? I want to hear some feedback on it.

[STR1]

It will be a good fight if they do it. Sabertooth does have a fast healing factor that will be an advantage to him plus the claws he posses. But those claws wont be enough to a skin that is hard to penetrate. Besides Lizard also can recover from severe damage and his tail can whip up to 70mph. A tough hit if your ask me. After a long battle with the fighting skills/experience and type of rivals Sabertooth has fought in the past I give him a very close fight in the end.

Sabertooth.

[XFanTim]

sabertooth. too strong, healing factor, natural hunter, trained by weaponX, has a killer instinct, lizard is garbage
You clearly don't know anything about the Lizard. Read a bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_%28comics%29).

As the Lizard he has superhuman strength, speed, agility, and reflexes equaling that of Spider-Man. He possesses great resistance to injury surpassing that of Spider-Man in that his tough scaly skin is more resistant to being lacerated or punctured by concussive force. The Lizard can also regenerate damaged areas of his body, even to the extent that he can regrow his limbs and tail if severed.

In addition to this, the Lizard's tail is superhumanly strong and can whip at up to 70 miles per hour. He can scale walls almost as well as Spider-Man can, and can telepathically control all reptiles within a one mile radius of himself.

That makes him stronger, faster, more agile, and a better healer than Sabretooth (unless 'tooth has been regenerating limbs lately).

It's one thing to say Sabretooth would win, but quite another to act like he's out of Lizard's league. :rolleyes:

[Toby_Temple]

I'm voting for Lizard. With his strength, he'll toss Sabretooth around. With his agility, he'll land more hits on Sabretooth. With his superior healing factor, he'll make Sabretooth wish he was fighting Wolverine instead. Over all, Lizard will make Sabretooth realize that he does not know who he is messing with.

[Toby_Temple]

Sabretooth definatley does have killer instinct...but Lizard has more of a killer instinct because that is the sole thing that drives his actions...he is an animal...and animals survive because of their killer instinct.

I was wondering how many of you guys are happy with the new explanation rule? I want to hear some feedback on it.

About the new explanation rule, its a dream come true for me.:)

[XFanTim]

I was wondering how many of you guys are happy with the new explanation rule? I want to hear some feedback on it.
I'm definitely a fan of the new rule. Forces people to put some thought into things, not just vote for who they like or simply use the thread to pad their post count.

[spartin2008]

I was wondering how many of you guys are happy with the new explanation rule? I want to hear some feedback on it.

It dont bother me, mabey others, but not me...i usualy end up explaining myself anyway cause im crazy so, I WILL JUST COME CLEAN...I LOVE IT, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

[POWdER-man]

I like the rule (I explain usually anyways)....

nevermind...

[Anubis]

I've been using it for the other threads as well.

[Warhammer]

Lizard will destroy Sabertooth.

[Silver Sable]

Victor

[Vanguard07]

Doesnt the current Sabertooth have adamantium? From my understanding the recent imrovements to Sabes by weapon X (including the adamantium) put him out of Wolvie's league. He was damn hard to beat for Wolvie when only Wolvie had the metal. When Sabes' got the metal too I cant see Logan standing up to him anymore.

That said i think Adamantium would make a HUGE difference in this fight. It'd allow Sabes' healing factor to make a difference. Without the metal Lizzie'd be able to just swipe Creed's head off. With it Creed could take the hits and probably get a chance to go shot for shot. The metal'd also help him get past the lizard's scales. Once you get past the scales Lizard can be brought down relatively easilly (assuming he doesnt kill and eat you first).

So unless i'm wrong about Sabes' current status i'm voting Sabertooth. If however this fight takes place at a time when he didnt have adamantium then I'm giving it to Dr Connors.

[Anubis]

THey go by the picture don't they? That was pre Adamantium. At least thats what I figured when I voted. Remember, Pre adamantium, the guy got beaten by Iron Fist. Not saying Iron Fist aint s**t, but he for damn sure couldn't take the Lizard.

[Vanguard07]

I dunno... Iron Fist killed Collossus in an exhiles issue a while back. Its not canon but it's the same abilities. I would think Piotr'd be a lot harder to kill than the Lizard.

[Anubis]

Well, if you recall, Colossus didn't try to avoid the punch. Sure, he might be able to break the Lizards skin, but I doubt he could get a good shot in with his speed. But Rand did kill a dragon didn't he? Thats gotta count for something.

[Vanguard07]

exactly. I've been saying for years that Danny Rand is one bada** mofo. He's one of the most skilled fighters in the whole MU and he's got an attack that can do damage to just about anybody. Throw in his Chi healing and whatnot and I think he's more of a threat than his partner Cage is. I'd put my money on Iron Fist over Lizard for sure.

[XFanTim]

THey go by the picture don't they? That was pre Adamantium. At least thats what I figured when I voted. Remember, Pre adamantium, the guy got beaten by Iron Fist. Not saying Iron Fist aint s**t, but he for damn sure couldn't take the Lizard.
Are you talking about Sabretooth's loss to Iron Fist in Creed's first ever appearance back in 1977? I kind of think you've got to give him a pass on that one, since at the time he was basically a nobody.

Not that Danny Rand couldn't give him a run for his money anyway.

[Vanguard07]

they've fought since. but i dont remember any decisive victories for either side.

[This I.........]

Sabertooth, 1. because of the whole weapon x thing 2.because he has fought alot more tougher guys then the lizard and won. who else besides spiderman:spidey: has the lizard fought?

[Colossal Spoons]

Victor

You must really not want your votes counted.

[Calendar Man]

Lizard wins. Smarter, stronger, faster, sharp teeth, etc.

[Quentin Beck]

Sabretooth mainly because of his healing factor.

[Ahura Mazda]

Welll given that Lizard is in the 10 ton range as well as being agile I do not see how sabretooth could win. So I will go with Lizard.

[Midnight Ice]

So far:

9-5 for The Lizard


And Sparta*, I love the new explanation rule.:up: :xmen:

[Midnight Ice]

Sorry Midnight Ice, this matchup isn't even close. Lizard is stronger and faster than SM, and he is quite durable and he can pull his opponent's punches. Then there is his tail that he has hit SM so many times with, even with SM's superhuman abilities and spidey sense. Sabretooth has advanced abilities but I would not put him anywhere around SM let alone Lizard, who Peter usually has to outsmart to beat him. And Sabretooth, well, isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not an idiot, just not that resourceful.

So Lizard.
Sorry to dissapoint you POWdER-man, I try to come up with good matches like you, Phaed, and sparta*. I'll try to do better.:up:

[3dman27]

exactly. I've been saying for years that Danny Rand is one bada** mofo. He's one of the most skilled fighters in the whole MU and he's got an attack that can do damage to just about anybody. Throw in his Chi healing and whatnot and I think he's more of a threat than his partner Cage is. I'd put my money on Iron Fist over Lizard for sure.
i agree with this too bad old dragon face is fighting sabertooth not the fist
about the explanation rule no offense sparta but i'm not crazy about having to justify every poll vote i make

[POWdER-man]

Sorry to dissapoint you POWdER-man, I try to come up with good matches like you, Phaed, and sparta*. I'll try to do better.:up:

Ohh man don't apologize. It's actually turning out closer than I thought it was going to be so I was wrong...I guess...;)

[Colossal Spoons]

I vote Sabertooth just due to the quality of matches he's had with Wolverine. Every example of Sabertooth going berserks and reverting to his most primal instincts are far more intimidating that Lizard.

[blah]

The Lizard. That's the problem with fighting Spider-man, you become used to other opponenets' speeds. Nothing can realy take you by surprise, because you fought the person who cannot be surprised.

[TheFalcon]

Lizard, because he's stronger, faster etc.

[Cap1970]

Lizard

[Genesis 1.0]

Sabertooth has the experience edge, both have a healing factor, Lizard has the trump in Strength and Speed. As to Durability, both of them have dense structures and both have Healing, so that's a moot point. I've seen a reason as Lizard being animalistic, I'm guessing you've never read Sabertooh, he was animalistic to a point that made Logan look nice and cuddly, so I don't really think he has anything to worry about in that area. I give this one to Lizard based on Speed, NOT Strength, he can be overtopped and outthought to cheat the Strength but his Speed is the Ace in this one, but by NO means is this a squash, that's just flatline thinking.

Lizard

[Horseman Gambit]

Lizard has Strenght and Speed, Sabretooth has the healing factor, Flips a coin

Lizard

[Silicon Surfer]

Lizzie is stronger, faster, tougher, and more agile. He has a healing ability that is at least comparable.His armored hide is an important advantage. Skill I don't think counts for much since they would both drop dead of humiliation if they were ever caught using their brains in a fight.

[Genesis 1.0]

Tougher? That's far too relative for you to simply throw out there.

[Silicon Surfer]

His hide is armored like that of crocadilians except possibly tougher. He is literally armor plated.

[Genesis 1.0]

That leans more towards physical Durability, while 'tough' is a very relative term to be taken from any number of points. Mentally tough, physically tough, ect. You see people say 'he'd be tough to beat' all the time, and if that's the criteria then Sabertooth's 'tougher' than Lizard based on opponents. No, I think you mean Lizard's more Durable.

[Hellstormer]

Lizard

[comicbookmaster]

WHAT!!!THE LIZARD IS BEATING SABRETOOTH???
you men to tell me that the lizard is a better enemy for wolverine,that spider-man could easily beat sabretooth,because spider-man has always beaten the lizard very quickly and had a hard time with sabretooth. Sabretooth is a vicious killer,sadistic,and really enjoys he work!!
lizard is rarely in control of himsellf,sabretooth would beat the hell out of the lizard!!!!

[Anubis]

Dude, I don't think you really know anything about the lizard to make such a statement.

[XFanTim]

WHAT!!!THE LIZARD IS BEATING SABRETOOTH???
you men to tell me that the lizard is a better enemy for wolverine,that spider-man could easily beat sabretooth,because spider-man has always beaten the lizard very quickly and had a hard time with sabretooth. Sabretooth is a vicious killer,sadistic,and really enjoys he work!!
lizard is rarely in control of himsellf,sabretooth would beat the hell out of the lizard!!!!
Buddy, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Since when has Spidey "always beaten the Lizard quickly"? The Lizard has always been a tough match for Spidey. Sabretooth is a tough match for Wolverine who is not as powerful a hero as Spidey. (Far less strength, far less speed, far less agility, far slower reflexes. Wolvie has an excellent short-range weapon, but unlike Spidey he has no longer-range weapon. Wolvie can withstand more damage thanks to his healing factor and unbreakable bones, but Spidey's spider sense and reflexes mean he's a lot less likely to take any damage in the first place.)

To say that a basically Spidey-level villain is weaker than a basically Wolverine-level villain is ridiculous. And if you don't realize Lizard is Spidey-level, you should read a few more of his appearances before making such bold pronouncements.

[Sparta*]

This has turned out to be a great match-up MI :up: You are doing a great job.

We just need another match-up now :p

[iambilly81]

creed would win , it would be a bloody fight, but his healing factor makes all the difference

[Sparta*]

I don't know where MI is, so i'm going to post a new match-up :up:

FYI: 10 - 6 is the final tally for the LIZARD!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg

GOBLIN QUEEN
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/GoblynQueen.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



PROFESSOR X
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/ProfessorXavier.jpg

[Vanguard07]

Xavier. He's may not have the same power but he's got more skill and experience with telepathic battles.

[Midnight Ice]

I don't know where MI is, so i'm going to post a new match-up :up:

FYI: 10 - 6 is the final tally for the LIZARD!
Oh man, I get the new match code all typed up in word then to find out you came up with a match, lol. No worries. I will use it tomorrow! Funny thing, I almost used Goblin Queen a couple times.

[Ultimate Doom]

Xavier

[Sparta*]

Oh man, I get the new match code all typed up in word then to find out you came up with a match, lol. No worries. I will use it tomorrow! Funny thing, I almost used Goblin Queen a couple times.

Sorry man! You usually have the match-ups posted by a certain time, so I got worried and posted one. I can take this one down if you want...just let me know.

[Horseman Gambit]

Xavier

[Silver Sable]

Charles

[Sachsmachine]

Xavier

[kytrigger]

Interesting battle. While I think that Xavier's powers are greater than Queen's (especially since I think I remember her being powered down) I would say Xavier has the edge. The only question I would have is that she can siphon other psychics powers to increase her own, but I don't know if she has ever had trouble doing this with psychics of great power, like Xavier. Seeing as how it seems most siphoners in the Marvel Universe have trouble doing it to great powers (like Rogue), I would say she probably has trouble too. Seeing as how I think she would have trouble draining Xavier, I give this match to him.


Xavier wins


Hey Sparta, I was just wondering if we still had to say why we pick someone. I saw a bunch of non-descriptions and wasn't sure if we still had to or not.

[Sparta*]

Interesting battle. While I think that Xavier's powers are greater than Queen's (especially since I think I remember her being powered down) I would say Xavier has the edge. The only question I would have is that she can siphon other psychics powers to increase her own, but I don't know if she has ever had trouble doing this with psychics of great power, like Xavier. Seeing as how it seems most siphoners in the Marvel Universe have trouble doing it to great powers (like Rogue), I would say she probably has trouble too. Seeing as how I think she would have trouble draining Xavier, I give this match to him.


Xavier wins


Hey Sparta, I was just wondering if we still had to say why we pick someone. I saw a bunch of non-descriptions and wasn't sure if we still had to or not.

Nobody HAS to explain why they are voting for who they choose...but if you want your vote to count towards the final tally then you have to explain.

[kytrigger]

Nobody HAS to explain why they are voting for who they choose...but if you want your vote to count towards the final tally then you have to explain.

right, that's what I meant...just making sure. thanks

[Sparta*]

I'm giving this battle to the Goblin Queen. Not only does she have the same powers as Jean Grey, she also has the power of black magic to help her. She has the ability to release the dark side of an opponents personality, inturn making them evil, and her telekenesis could even warp reality. She can also teleport herself over long distances by "psychokinetically shunting herself in and out of the astral plane". Madelyn is also able to siphon the psychic energies from another mutant to boost her own powers, so Professor X himself would be his greatest enemy.

[Sparta*]

2 - 1 for Xavier so far...

[Horseman Gambit]

Professor X, Is the most powerful Telepath there is,all he'd have to do is think hard and Goblin Queen is down, that count?

[Silicon Surfer]

I have to go with the Goblin Queen. Xavier is weak in a fight. If it is a purely telepathic battle he does fine but in the physical world he does poorly. His lack of combat experiance means that he does not multitask at all well. Shifting back and forth from physical to the telepathic or both at the same time would be his undoing. Maddy has too many options.

[Spycat]

Its close, but I will give the edge to the Goblin Queen.
I think the multi-facet...ummm...ness of her powers might
prove to be the deciding point.

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[XFanTim]

I'll give this to Xavier. He could force the battle onto the astral plane, where the Goblin Queen's physical powers wouldn't be any use. And I'd say he's more powerful than Madeline when it comes to telepathy . . . and definitely more experienced.

[XwolverineX]

Prof. X.

[JeanGrey[GR]]

Professor X of course :D

[Red X]

Professor X

[kytrigger]

Do her powers to turn someone evil also let her control them too? If they do, then that would be a different story, but if all they do is turn the person evil then that would be her biggest mistake. Evil Xavier would be much harder to beat than regular Xavier IMO.

[Hellstormer]

Gobline Queen

[Genesis 1.0]

There are few people that can go toe to toe with Xaiver straight up but I very much doubt that the Queen would take the 'honorable' route, so you can expect her to offset Xaiver's weak points and meld telekentic & telepathy, she does know him well after all. If it does progress to the astral plane, then the Queen gets the hammer no doubt about it, but the key is for the battle to get that far, I don't think she'll allow it.

Goblin Queen

[The BatDude]

Xavier would win

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/30/Profx3.JPG/150px-Profx3.JPG

[Sparta*]

4 - 4 tie so far...

[Jecht]

Xavier. As XfanTim pointed out, Xavier could always force the battle to take place in the Astral Plane. It will then come down to who will be more experienced and more powerful, which means Xavier takes it.

BTW- I like the new rule, but I honestly think you shouldn't allow people to post if they have no explanation, altogether. If you allow it, the thread is almost going to be a spam thread.

[Midnight Ice]

And the winner is Xavier!

5-4

Next match up here in a minute...

[Midnight Ice]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


Cosmic Spider-Man
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/CosmicSpiderman.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



Silver Surfer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/SS1.bmp

[blah]

Cosmic Spidey, his Uni-power was amazing! He would bind the Surfur with mind controlled webbing, then give him an energy bolt or somethin'. He was too tough.

[Logan Howlett]

I must conqer. Cosmic Spidey is pure power plus pure intelect, a power rivaled by few. In this match up Spidey owns Surfer in horribly degrading, sadomising ways that he will never forget. And the glowing is cool too :)

[Quentin Beck]

Cosmic Spider-Man

[Sparta*]

I must conqer. Cosmic Spidey is pure power plus pure intelect, a power rivaled by few. In this match up Spidey owns Surfer in horribly degrading, sadomising ways that he will never forget. And the glowing is cool too :)


Last time I checked, Magneto got the upperhand on Cosmic Spidey...and Silver Surfer is more powerful then Magneto. That was just poor writing though...

Midnight Ice, here is a scan for the Silver Surfer
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/SilverSurfer.jpg

[wiegeabo]

Silver Surfer. He has far more experience. And while Spidey's spider-sense may be amplified, the Surfer could still force him into an energy battle and overpower him.

[The BatDude]

Silver Surfer would win in the end

[XwolverineX]

Cosmic Spider-man

[1987olds442]

Silver Surfer - He has much more experience in using cosmic powers.

[The BatDude]

Silver Surfer - He has much more experience in using cosmic powers.yup Cosmic Spidey is a n00b

[Zoken]

Spider-Man is experienced in facing off against foes who are far more powerful than he is, so I think he has the experience necessary to wield the uni-power against Silver Surfer. that and I'm a Spidey-Fan

Cosmic Spidey gets my vote.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Spider-Man is experienced in facing off against foes who are far more powerful than he is, so I think he has the experience necessary to wield the uni-power against Silver Surfer. that and I'm a Spidey-Fan

Cosmic Spidey gets my vote.

Here is the problem.

1) Cosmic Spidey is dated compared to how much SS has been upgraded.

2) SS has taken on Thanos with the IG not to mention many others far more powerful than Cosmic Spidey.

3) No one really knows how old Norrin Radd is or how long he served Galactus for, therefore he could have countless decades if not centuries of experience on Spidey.

4) If you read the comics where Spidey had the uni-power he was a noob with them until he took on the Tri-Sentinal and lost them.

[Zoken]

Hasn't Peter taken on Thanos?

also, Peter does his best work on the fly, learning how to fight his opponent as he fights them.

[XwolverineX]

yup Cosmic Spidey is a n00b



No. :o

[Guyverjay]

Silver Surfer. He has far more experience. And while Spidey's spider-sense may be amplified, the Surfer could still force him into an energy battle and overpower him.


Over power him??

The only thing surfer has over Parker imo is experience

The unipower has advantages over the power cosmic such as matter transmuting for example

Funnily enough that picture is from Maximum Carnage , it isn't cosmic spidey:D

Here is the problem.

1) Cosmic Spidey is dated compared to how much SS has been upgraded.

No, the spider-man isues are from the 80's not the 60's

2) SS has taken on Thanos with the IG not to mention many others far more powerful than Cosmic Spidey.

If you mean he got his ass kicked then the whole marvel universe has taken on Thanos with the IG

3) No one really knows how old Norrin Radd is or how long he served Galactus for, therefore he could have countless decades if not centuries of experience on Spidey.

4) If you read the comics where Spidey had the uni-power he was a noob with them until he took on the Tri-Sentinal and lost them.

Irrelevent, once he actually becomes captain universe ALL the knowledge needed to wield the uni power is passed on

[XFanTim]

This is a tough one . . . I think Cosmic Spidey may be a bit more powerful even than the Surfer, but not by leaps and bounds. And Surfer had been using his powers for a lot longer, and has fought a lot more cosmic level foes. Ultimately, I think experience carries the day here. I vote Surfer.

[Guyverjay]

What if? Cosmic spidey wins though

He beat an opponent that that the combined might of the avengers couldn't stop... in a few seconds:up:

A slight exaggeration:o

[Silver Sable]

Cosmic Spidey

[Genesis 1.0]

Silver Surfer, although Cosmic Spidey did indeed gain the knowledge he needed to wield the Uni Power, Surfer has far more experience in dealing with people on THAT level. Knowing how to weild your own power is one thng, having experience countering those ON your level is quite another. And the Surfer has the wide range and the strength to do it and since the Cosmic Spidey deal was a limited time thing, I've leaned towards the Surfer and the wide range of feats and opponents he's faced, as to Guyver's points, they are all valid. However, had Cosmic Spidey been around as long as Surfer, we'd of seen the weakness as well as the uppers of this particular form, Surfer's been around longer so he's naturally had his flaws exposed more often.

Silver Surfer

[TheFalcon]

Silver Surfer

[Vanguard07]

According to all of the info i've found regarding the uni-power, when bonded to an already superhuman it improves their abilities by a factor of fifty as well as adding various other abilities ie flight, energy bolts, teke, matter transmutation etc.
Now there's nothing captain universe (cosmic spidey) can do that SS cant and SS does have more experience with cosmic abilities by far but Spiderman is Spiderman. He's fought the silver surfer alone on more than one occasion (two that i know of) and managed to hold his own. (He didnt win but it was a good showing nonetheless).
so with that in mind I strongly believe that if you amped Spidey up by that much then he'd have even odds at least of taking SS down.

So i'm giving this one to Spidey. Ya gotta bet on the underdog.

[iambilly81]

surfer, knows how to use his powers alot better.

[JeanGrey[GR]]

silver surfer

[Guyverjay]

Now there's nothing captain universe (cosmic spidey) can do that SS cant .




Surfer can rearrange matter but he cannot transmute one element into another.
Cosmic spider-man can hence why he could turn you into a farm animal

Also I don't see the surfer with mind controlled webbing:confused:

Spidey is stronger imo (having knocked both Thor and Hulk into outerspace with one punch) and more adept at fighting hand to hand. Not to say Norrin isn't as I've seen him whupp the abomination quite handedly.

[Vanguard07]

I'm sure if SS really wanted to he could whip up some mind controlled webbing lol

[Toby_Temple]

I'm voting for Silver Surfer. His experience in controlling the power cosmic is way better compared to Spider Man with the uni power.

[Warhammer]

Silver Surfer is wayy too much for Cosmic Spidey.
Cosmic Spidey is cool, but i like Surfer better.

JW, Isnt Silver Surfer considered Marvel's strongest hero or at least one of the top 5?
I dont think he is the strongest, but i'm not a Surfer reader.

[White_Howling]

Silver Surfer

[POWdER-man]

I don't usually hold much weight with experience unless it's for tactical/strategic purposes or it's an extremely even match. With that said I vote for Cosmic Spidey. Great power can easily trump experience, and CS has that in tenfold.

[Sparta*]

Are you posting match-ups this week POWdER-man?

[Ultimate Doom]

silver-surfer

[Silicon Surfer]

The Surfer. Experiance and full cosmic awareness will beat the uni-power.Knowing how to do what you want and knowing what you want to do are 2 different things. the Surfer is not supposed to be able to transmute elements but he has on several occasions performed feats that would require transmutation. he has created a bouquet of flowers out of thin air and recreated his former home on Zenn-La in the same manner.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Over power him??

The only thing surfer has over Parker imo is experience

The unipower has advantages over the power cosmic such as matter transmuting for example

Funnily enough that picture is from Maximum Carnage , it isn't cosmic spidey:D



Irrelevent, once he actually becomes captain universe ALL the knowledge needed to wield the uni power is passed on

Refering to your quote of my quote. From the 80's as you say, umm 15+ years, yes dated. Not in terms of what Cosmis Spidey can do, but in terms of how powerful Norrin is now. The guy is one of the most if not the most powerful superhero in Marvel. Often portrayed porely or for the simple fact that there has to be some type of situation that gives him trouble.

If you are counting what if? Usually I though we do not. What about when SS amped himself up in Infinity Crusade? Yes he was a mindless bomb, but he could easily do that to equal Cosmis Spidey's raw strength and who says that it also does not increase the power of his other abilities?

Plus are we talking Cosmis Spidey, who for the most part was getting used to his powers. Or are we talking Captain Universe, when all the flood of knowledge was finally opend to him?

If we are talking the Former, Chrome Dome definately takes him. If the later, it could go either way, the other problem is both are known to hold back and I doubt seriously that either would go all out on each other.

I still give the edge to Surfer 6/10

[Ahura Mazda]

Well having read the what if with Spiderman where he kept the uni powers I would have to give it to him. He is Spiderman enhanced in every way plus many added powers. Plus he loses a a part of his humanity making him a bit more viscious in combat. I think he would take it.

[Sparta*]

6 - 5 is the final tally for Cosmic Spider-man!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


TREVOR FITZROY
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Fitzroy.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



G I D E O N
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Gideon2.jpg

[Sparta*]

FITZROY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Fitzroy)
FITZROY 2 (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=337)

GIDEON (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/gideon.htm)
GIDEON 2 (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=496)

[Ahura Mazda]

I don't know much on each but it seeems one can absorb life energies and the other copy other people's powers. The way I see it and may be very wrong, is that unless Gideon has a defense against somebody draining his energy he should be defeated, or if Fitzroy takes time to drain I think he should go down.

I will go with Gedeon because I prefer the second solution. But I do not really know either of these guys.

[POWdER-man]

Are you posting match-ups this week POWdER-man?

I wasn't sure when my schedule was up again. I should have figured it was right after MI. I could start posting tonight if you want.

[POWdER-man]

Hmm Gideon was killed by Selene who drained his life force, and Fitzroy can potentially drain all his energy so there is not much difference. So I give it to Fitroy.

[TheFalcon]

Fitzroy

[XFanTim]

Yeah, but I think Selene killed Gideon "off camera" (i.e., X-Force just found his dead body and found out she killed him), and to me her victory never really made sense. (In real life, I'm pretty sure the reason the Externals were killed off was to avoid a lawsuit from the creators of "Highlander".) Anyway, I always thought Selene was a good bit more powerful than Fitzroy.

I don't see why Gideon couldn't just copy Fitzroy's powers and drain his life-force right back. And Gideon seemed to usually be better at using the powers he copied than the person he copied them from.

I vote Gideon.

[Hellstormer]

G I D E O N

[Silver Sable]

Trevor

[Vanguard07]

Fitzroy was a wussy. He never really showed any aptitude for combat at all to my knowledge. Gideon on the other hand was one dangerous mofo. And being an external i'd assume he'd have a better chance of surviving being drained. (or it'd take longer at least)
I vote Gideon for sure.

[Horseman Gambit]

Gideon

[Genesis 1.0]

Geez, all these one word votes and none of them will count, don't people read anymore?

Bah! I'm going to vote for Fitzroy BECAUSE of the fact that he's just as likely to wait and hide rather than take on someone head on. The abilities are quite similar so it's kinda lame to vote based on that alone, I simply think that Fitzroy being the sneaky cowardly type would wait till the right moment and nail Gideon, whereas Gideon would want to take this right down the middle. As they say, 'fools rush in'.

Fitzroy

[Sparta*]

3 - 2 is the current tally for Gideon

[Jecht]

Geez, all these one word votes and none of them will count, don't people read anymore?

I agree :rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm voting for Fitzroy. Powder-Man already pointed out that Selene was able to drain Gideon's life force, and that's good enough for me. He is still a human, after all. Also, if Gideon tries to copy Trevor's powers, he still wouldn't have enough experience.

[POWdER-man]

Actually he is an external, thought to be immortal like all externals.

I still vote for Fitzroy no matter the comic politics. If fitzroy starts draining energy before Gideon copies Fitzroy's powers than Gideon will be in an already weaker state.

And I don't think Gideon knows how to use the character's powers better or they are stronger, IMO I think he just knows how to use them right away.

[comicbookmaster]

Dude, I don't think you really know anything about the lizard to make such a statement.

you suck!!!

[POWdER-man]

WTF?

Umm yeah that was like 3-4 matches ago. And if Anubis says you suck, you surely do suck....

[Sparta*]

Are you up for posting this week POWdER-man?

[POWdER-man]

Yeah I can do it. It's currently 3-3 so it would be nice to get a deciding vote.

Btw you must not have seen the post above....:D

[Sparta*]

Yeah I can do it. It's currently 3-3 so it would be nice to get a deciding vote.

Btw you must not have seen the post above....:D

Alright, i'll be the deciding vote :)

I'm going to give this one to Gideon. He has been around a very long time and has a ton of experience using his powers to use other people's powers :p Plus he is a way better fighter then Fitzroy and won't try to sleaze out of the fight like Fitzroy would do.

I saw the above post lol

[comicbookmaster]

Buddy, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Since when has Spidey "always beaten the Lizard quickly"? The Lizard has always been a tough match for Spidey. Sabretooth is a tough match for Wolverine who is not as powerful a hero as Spidey. (Far less strength, far less speed, far less agility, far slower reflexes. Wolvie has an excellent short-range weapon, but unlike Spidey he has no longer-range weapon. Wolvie can withstand more damage thanks to his healing factor and unbreakable bones, but Spidey's spider sense and reflexes mean he's a lot less likely to take any damage in the first place.)

To say that a basically Spidey-level villain is weaker than a basically Wolverine-level villain is ridiculous. And if you don't realize Lizard is Spidey-level, you should read a few more of his appearances before making such bold pronouncements.

you suck!!!ask ookami she'll tell ya!!!she's a hottie!!!ya!!!
spider-man and black cat both took on sabretooth and were scared *****less,the only way the got away was when spidey web sabretooth in the face and sabretooth damn neared took off his own face!!!read Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man #116 and #119
then read and uncanny x-men mutant massacre
Uncanny X-Men #210 (Prologue)
Uncanny X-Men #211
Uncanny X-Men #212
Uncanny X-Men #213
this should prove that sabretooth will kick the crap out of the lizard!!

[POWdER-man]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg

FANTOMEX
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/fantomex-x-men-mutante.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp

TASMASTER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Taskmaster3.jpg

[POWdER-man]

Fantomex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantomex

Taskmaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskmaster

[POWdER-man]

4-3 was the final score for Gideon.

[Silver Sable]

Taskmaster

[Warhammer]

Well, multiple brains is a plus, but I think Taskmaster would win this one.

[Vanguard07]

In hand to hand or close combat Taskmaster'd have it all up over Fantomex. But fantomex does his like smoke and mirrors thing. He's great at misdirection and illusions and stuff. He could likely get the drop on Taskmaster....

hmmm...

Okay i'm going with Taskmaster cause he tends to be pretty well equipped. between his mad skills and his gear I think he could handle Fantomex's tricks.