Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[Ahura Mazda]

Llyron

[psycho]

Llyron.

[Silicon Surfer]

Nita

[Venom.Symbiote]

It seems that Nita has a couple of more powers and I'm guessing she's got a bit more fighting experience so I'm going with her. Besides, she's hot! I wouldn't be able to fight her because I'd be staring to much and trying to ask her out. Then again, I don't know much about this Llyron dude, he may not even like hot, sexy women. :venom:

[Sparta*]

Sparta clear your PM's.

I made some room :up: fire away

I've had a busy day and I have to jet to work right now so there won't be a new match-up posted until tonight :( sorry guys :down

[Sparta*]

12 - 7 is the final tally for Namorita!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


FALCON
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Falcon.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


U.S.AGENT
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/U.jpg

[Red]

U.S.AGENT

And Sparta you get my PM's?

[Sparta*]

Yes I did.

EDIT - it's done Red X :up:

[theoneandonly]

agent

[3dman27]

Usagent

[1987olds442]

U. S. Agent

[JeanGrey[GR]]

US Agent

[XFanTim]

I vote U.S. Agent. A better fighter and better physical stats.

[Silver Sable]

Agent

[Venom.Symbiote]

USAgent. He actually took Cap's place for a while. They wouldn't just let anyone do that, he's got to have some serious skills. I never liked his attitude but he's an excellent fighter. :venom:

[Anubis]

USAgent

[The BatDude]

U.S.Agent

[Warhammer]

U.S. Agent.

Just because...

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Agent, this should be a landslide

[Genesis 1.0]

No kidding?

USA Agent

[Sparta*]

It's not like Captain America trained the Falcon or anything :rolleyes:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It matters not

[Steve_Rogers]

Falcon..........just because I don't like jumping on bandwagons for stuff like this.

[Sparta*]

I'll vote for Falcon as well :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Falcon..........just because I don't like jumping on bandwagons for stuff like this.

So if it was Galactus vs. bullseye and everyone was voting Galactus, you wouldn't?

[Sparta*]

So if it was Galactus vs. bullseye and everyone was voting Galactus, you wouldn't?

This is far from Galactus vs Bullseye. Falcon actually has a chance in hell of beating U.S.Agent while Bullseye would be vaporized in a millisecond.

[comicbookmaster]

the falcon-black power!!!

[Steve_Rogers]

This is far from Galactus vs Bullseye. Falcon actually has a chance in hell of beating U.S.Agent while Bullseye would be vaporized in a millisecond.
Exactly.....I wouldn't do it if I didn't think one of the participants could go up against the other.

[blah]

The Falcon!

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

This is far from Galactus vs Bullseye. Falcon actually has a chance in hell of beating U.S.Agent while Bullseye would be vaporized in a millisecond.

My point wasn't the match-up and that wasn't his reasoning for voting the way he did Sparta. His reason was he didn't want to jump on the bandwagon. Lame.

[Steve_Rogers]

For one thing......I would have still voted for Falcon even if I hadn't been noticing everyone else had been voting for U.S.Agent. I believe the reasoning rule should be reinstated. why was it taken off anyway?

Agent, this should be a landslide
That right there was the reason I chose the bandwagon reasoning.

[Venom.Symbiote]

I think it would be a landslide because in my opinion the Falcon hasn't been used to his full potential. From what I've seen of both characters, USAgent should win this matchup but maybe if the Falcon were written better my vote would have gone the other way. My two cents. :venom:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

For one thing......I would have still voted for Falcon even if I hadn't been noticing everyone else had been voting for U.S.Agent. I believe the reasoning rule should be reinstated. why was it taken off anyway?


That right there was the reason I chose the bandwagon reasoning.

You say you would have voted Falcon anyway, yet you state that you chose to do so to not follow the bandwagon. Contradicting a little?

I really don't care, but you say two things. That's all.

[spiderwasp]

I vote for Falcon (Oh, and this has nothing to do with the silly bandwagon argument at all)

[Silicon Surfer]

Agent

[rodhulk]

Agent

[Sparta*]

Tough break for the Senators tonight Rodhulk :down

Oh well, they can go golfing with the Flames now :o

[Hellstormer]

U.S. Agent but I hate that particular costume
http://comicscentral.tripod.com/marvelheroes/c/images/usagent2.jpg better:)

[bkhedr]

US Agent

[TheFalcon]

US Agent

[Vanguard07]

I'm going with falcon. Think about it guys, a flyer against a guy with no real ranged abilities and no flight. The high ground is practically the biggest advantage you can have in a fight.

[theoneandonly]

this is close isnt it?

[rodhulk]

Tough break for the Senators tonight Rodhulk :down

Oh well, they can go golfing with the Flames now :oYeah.....:( I tried to pm you a couple of times but your inbox is full. :mad: :D

What a year of upsets. Your Flames, my sens, add the wings to that and maybe NJ.

Oh, well, next hockey season will be here soon and we'll start all over. :)

[Sparta*]

Yeah.....:( I tried to pm you a couple of times but your inbox is full. :mad: :D

What a year of upsets. Your Flames, my sens, add the wings to that and maybe NJ.

Oh, well, next hockey season will be here soon and we'll start all over. :)

Yeah, I thought you might have tried to PM me. I made some room for new messages now :up:

Now that Edmonton is the only Canadian team left, I'll be rooting for them. I'm also rooting for New Jersey...but not as much as Edmonton :p

[Sparta*]

17 - 6 is the final tally for U.S.Agent.

Next match-up in a bit...

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


MEGGAN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Meggan2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


SHADOWCAT
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Shadowcat.jpg

[Harlekin]

Meggan, she just has more power than Kitty could deal with.

[theoneandonly]

my freind i have to say shadowcat

[Sparta*]

I can't make up my mind........

I'm leaning more towards Meggan though

[Anubis]

Meggan

[rodhulk]

Meggan

[The BatDude]

Kitty

[Hellstormer]

Meggan, and she may even break a sweat.

[Toby_Temple]

I don't know. Can Shadowcat remain intangible to an indefinite period of time or does she have a limit? I'll base my vote to the question's answer.

[Silver Sable]

Meggan

[comicbookmaster]

meggan-shadowcat has to hit meggan

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hmmm, tough one. This really can go either way. If it's near the british Isles I say Meggan, but if not, say in New York, Kitty takes it. 50-50 for me.

[Silicon Surfer]

I have to go with Shadowcat.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Last time I checked Meggan was just a shapeshifter and Kitty could phase. What's to stop Kitty from picking up something, phasing it and when Meggan comes in to attack, stick it inside her and let it go? I think the pain from having a solid object fusing with your body on an atomic level would be too much for anyone. I'm sorry Meggan but Kitty wins this one. :venom:

[Magneto X]

Last time I checked Meggan was just a shapeshifter and Kitty could phase. What's to stop Kitty from picking up something, phasing it and when Meggan comes in to attack, stick it inside her and let it go? I think the pain from having a solid object fusing with your body on an atomic level would be too much for anyone. I'm sorry Meggan but Kitty wins this one. :venom:

Yeah. Shadowcat.

[Toby_Temple]

Well, I guess Shadowcat takes this. I'm voting for Shadowcat.

[Midnight Ice]

Kitty:xmen:

[DJWolfmanjack]

Meggan does have elemental powers and could probably disrupt kittys phasing abilities oh and Tony_Temple the last i read kitty had to make a conscious effort to being tangible so her natural state is intangible hope that clears that up

[1987olds442]

Meggan

[Ahura Mazda]

Kitty

[bkhedr]

Kitty

[TheFalcon]

Shadowcat

[Harlekin]

Last time I checked Meggan was just a shapeshifter and Kitty could phase. What's to stop Kitty from picking up something, phasing it and when Meggan comes in to attack, stick it inside her and let it go? I think the pain from having a solid object fusing with your body on an atomic level would be too much for anyone. I'm sorry Meggan but Kitty wins this one. :venom:
Then the last you checked is wrong. She is a pretty darn powerful elemental, and in the end Kitty still needs to breathe.

[theoneandonly]

sparta do you just guess when to stop the fight

[Brainiac 8]

Kitty.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Then the last you checked is wrong. She is a pretty darn powerful elemental, and in the end Kitty still needs to breathe.

It has been a while since I've read anything about her, but if Kitty's natural state is intangible I still think she could take Meggan out quicker if she really wanted to. :venom:

[psycho]

Shadowcat.

[Genesis 1.0]

Meggan's easily more powerful, however Kitty has shown herself to be immensely tactical in the past, she knows how to dip into her resources and pull out a win since 9 times out 10 she's facing off with people stronger than herself. I think she pulls a Vizh type win here with the phasing strikes.

Shadowcat

[Sparta*]

sparta do you just guess when to stop the fight

No, I usually post a match-up every night but I have a very bad virus on my comp and it's screwing everything up. I was lucky even being able to come on here right now. I'm pretty sure I have the sasser virus/worm and its pissing me right the **** off.

[theoneandonly]

No, I usually post a match-up every night but I have a very bad virus on my comp and it's screwing everything up. I was lucky even being able to come on here right now. I'm pretty sure I have the sasser virus/worm and its pissing me right the **** off.

oh i feel for you mate

[Warhammer]

I agree with Genesis.

Shadowcat gets my vote.

[Shang-Chi]

ShadowCat

[Toby_Temple]

It has been a while since I've read anything about her, but if Kitty's natural state is intangible I still think she could take Meggan out quicker if she really wanted to. :venom:
Well, that info had been refuted by the fact that Kitty sleeps and does not pass through her bed. You can check it in wikipedia.org.

[Silicon Surfer]

There has never been a limit to how long she could stay intangible to my knowledge.

[wiegeabo]

Kitty has to breath. And she has to dephase in order to do so. If nothing else, her phasing limit is how long she can hold her breath.

Still, I say Shadowcat.

[Silicon Surfer]

She didn't use to have to dephase. The only time she had to hold her breath was when she passed through solid matter.

[Vanguard07]

Kitty. It's an incredibly deadly power and she's an experienced X-man and she's ninja (litterally). I'm confident she's resourcefull enough to pull off this win.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Well, that info had been refuted by the fact that Kitty sleeps and does not pass through her bed. You can check it in wikipedia.org.

If she's intangible, wouldn't that make her weightless as well? If she has no weight how would she fall through her bed? She can "walk" through the air when phased so I'm guessing that she is weightless when phased. This of course brings up the question "Why doesn't she float away when she phases?" If she were a DC character she'd probably use the "phase force" an imaginary force that's the answer to all of our phasing questions, but since she's not I guess gravity has some kind of effect on her. Much the same way viruses don't float into space, they have to have some weight even though its not enough to register on any of our instruments. At least none that I know of. :venom:

[DJWolfmanjack]

As far as i know she got hit with an energy spear thrown by harpoon which disrupted her powers and she couldn't regain her solidity until Doctor Doom and Reed Richards helped her but she could then only resume a solid form through concentration.

[Toby_Temple]

If she's intangible, wouldn't that make her weightless as well? If she has no weight how would she fall through her bed? She can "walk" through the air when phased so I'm guessing that she is weightless when phased. This of course brings up the question "Why doesn't she float away when she phases?" If she were a DC character she'd probably use the "phase force" an imaginary force that's the answer to all of our phasing questions, but since she's not I guess gravity has some kind of effect on her. Much the same way viruses don't float into space, they have to have some weight even though its not enough to register on any of our instruments. At least none that I know of. :venom:
Not necessarily. A hologram is intangible. Light is intangible. But you don't see those two being blown away by a wind or float in the air.

[DJWolfmanjack]

you do know that kitty can travel the length of one and a half football fields per second if she wanted to

[Bastila]

Got to be Kitty such a cooler and better character.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Not necessarily. A hologram is intangible. Light is intangible. But you don't see those two being blown away by a wind or float in the air.

That's my point, I only used viruses as an example because they are living things, but its the same principle. If she's got no weight while intangible, how could she "fall" through her bed while asleep? She should just stay right where she laid. Now say Colossus were to pick up her bed while she were sleeping, then she should pass through it, or it would pass through her to be more accurate. :venom:

[JeanGrey[GR]]

Kitty!

[Sparta*]

I'll vote for Meggan bringing the final tally to 19 - 8 for Shadowcat

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg




DOCTOR DOOM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/DoctorDoom.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



MISTER SINISTER
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/MisterSinister.jpg

[Sparta*]

REMEMBER: This match-up has no prep-time whatsoever, and there is nothing at the battle location that would be beneficial to either combatant.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Doom hands down, I shouldn't have to explain myself.

[Sparta*]

Doom hands down, I shouldn't have to explain myself.

I wouldn't mind an explanation. Considering the malleable state of Sinister's body, I'm curious as to what Doom would do without any preptime or extra gadgets to keep Sinister down for good.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I wouldn't mind an explanation. Considering the malleable state of Sinister's body, I'm curious as to what Doom would do without any preptime or extra gadgets to keep Sinister down for good.

1. Doom is one of the most rescourceful villains in all of comic book kingdom
2. He's battled the mightest of heroes and villains
3. Next to Dr. Strange he is one of most powerful practioners of the mystical arts. That alone should secure a victory for him.

[Sparta*]

he has zero prep, and only has what he would normally have on him.

[XFanTim]

I don't think it'd be that easy a battle, but I'd still give it to Doom.

He doesn't generally use his magical abilities, so I'm assuming he's pretty much relying on his armor. But can't his armor produce forcefields that can stand up to Thor, etc.? I'd say that's good enough to hold off Sinister's attacks (energy blasts, etc.) Doom's blasts won't do much to Sinister either (Bishop blew a whole straight through him and it didn't slow him down), but eventually maybe the cumulative damage would have some sort of effect. Or maybe Doom's blasts eventually bring a building down on Sinister, and even for him it might take a while to ooze out from under that.

So, neither has a great way to hurt each other, meaning a long, drawn-out battle . . . but one which I'd say Doom eventually wins.

If this were a prep-time match, Doom would win more easily (except Sinister would probably be smart enough to avoid the fight, at best just sending a bunch of his underlings to get trounced by Doom.)

[XFanTim]

Kind of an unusual fight, though, since neither of these guys ever seems to enter into a fight without it being part of some kind of master plan.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I don't think it'd be that easy a battle, but I'd still give it to Doom.

He doesn't generally use his magical abilities, so I'm assuming he's pretty much relying on his armor. But can't his armor produce forcefields that can stand up to Thor, etc.? I'd say that's good enough to hold off Sinister's attacks (energy blasts, etc.) Doom's blasts won't do much to Sinister either (Bishop blew a whole straight through him and it didn't slow him down), but eventually maybe the cumulative damage would have some sort of effect. Or maybe Doom's blasts eventually bring a building down on Sinister, and even for him it might take a while to ooze out from under that.

So, neither has a great way to hurt each other, meaning a long, drawn-out battle . . . but one which I'd say Doom eventually wins.

If this were a prep-time match, Doom would win more easily (except Sinister would probably be smart enough to avoid the fight, at best just sending a bunch of his underlings to get trounced by Doom.)

Agreed, but that's usually because he has prep time and can in other ways harm his opponets. Since he can't with Sinister, I say that he would resort to his magical abilitis after a short battle. Resulting in a victory for Doom

[Genesis 1.0]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Doom is the man and he kicks people's ass because he usually goes looking for them or he draws them to him via a plan. So he always got something specially fitted to that person to take them down. Sinister's usually the same way but his body is ALWAYS prepared to tear someone down and unlike Doom, Sinister is damn near immortal with his regenerative powers. When it comes to intelligence, Sinister is by no means dwarfed by Doom, Sinister creates life in a dish so I don't need to remind anyone that's just one of the things he does for fun. Add onto that fact that he has that concussive force that usually levels most of anything and we've got a score card. Doom: Intelligence. Sinister: Range, Durability, and his healing factor and concussive force. I'm a total Doombot when it comes to most of the guys going head to head with him, but any damage he does will be repaired in a matter of seconds, minutes at most. He effectively has no way to put Sinister down for good and no, he doesn't carry around the implements necessary to take down Sinister, unless he's taken to carry Scott Summers in his ass pocket.

Mr. Sinister

[Sparta*]

2 - 1 for Doom so far...

[Toby_Temple]

I'll give this to Mr. Sinister. Without prep time, Sinister will overpower Doom. Telekinesis and telepathy combined with his energy blasts will be a powerful combination of attacks. Sinister is also highly resistant to injury and can regenerate himself. It would be a tough fight, but Mr. Sinister would take it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I give this to Sinister too. The element of surprise will be his advantage.

[Anubis]

I'm gonna go with Doom. Like what was stated earlier, magic. Do we even know what kinda effect such powers would have on Sinister? The fact that we don't means it could be the deciding factor. Telepathy is blocked out because the armor has defenses against such things. He can keep a demon out of his head he can keep Sinister out as well. I just gotta give it to Doom. The guys taken down freakin extradimensional entities with god like power. It wont be easy, but I'm sure he can take Sinister.

[Warhammer]

Despite Sinister being a beast, I still have to give this to Doom.

Winner: Doom.

[Silver Sable]

Doom

[Sparta*]

5 - 3 for Doom so far...

[Vanguard07]

Hmm... If it werent for Doom's magic i'd give this one to Sinister for sure. He's got too many advantages without prep time. But Magic is a big factor and it tends to trump almost anything that isnt magic. Also Doom's not just some second rate magician. He's next in line to be sorcerer supreme.
THAT kinda magic, I think would tip the scales.

Doom. (but it'd be close)

[rodhulk]

Tough, but I'll give it to Doom with his smarts finding a way to win, even without prep.

And his magic really could be the deciding factor. Despite not having prep, his magic still works, and if it can affect Sinister, then this really helps Doom stand the better chance.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Doom is the man and he kicks people's ass because he usually goes looking for them or he draws them to him via a plan. So he always got something specially fitted to that person to take them down. Sinister's usually the same way but his body is ALWAYS prepared to tear someone down and unlike Doom, Sinister is damn near immortal with his regenerative powers. When it comes to intelligence, Sinister is by no means dwarfed by Doom, Sinister creates life in a dish so I don't need to remind anyone that's just one of the things he does for fun. Add onto that fact that he has that concussive force that usually levels most of anything and we've got a score card. Doom: Intelligence. Sinister: Range, Durability, and his healing factor and concussive force. I'm a total Doombot when it comes to most of the guys going head to head with him, but any damage he does will be repaired in a matter of seconds, minutes at most. He effectively has no way to put Sinister down for good and no, he doesn't carry around the implements necessary to take down Sinister, unless he's taken to carry Scott Summers in his ass pocket.

Mr. Sinister

He's been known to do so on occassion :up:

[Sparta*]

I'd pay good money to see this match-up in comic book form :D :up:

[Venom.Symbiote]

I think Sinister would win the first battle, but I don't think Doom would really lose. I think he'd find some way of escaping once he figured out that he couldn't beat Sinister. Then he'd go off, do a little reaserch and come back and beat Sinister like a dog in the street. First victory (the one that counts here) goes to Sinister though. He's got too much going for him in a surprise encounter. :venom:

[psycho]

I think Doom would win this one.

[Ahura Mazda]

I wiould give this Doom if it had prep time. but without it, I would go with SInister even though if it ever did come up in the comics you would probably see Doom winning.

[POWdER-man]

Nice Matchup.....I am favoring Sinister without prep-time although Doom will be a tough one to handle even without....

[TheFalcon]

Dr. Doom

[Brainiac 8]

Doom would ultimately win. He could do enough damage to Sinister over time that would eventually overload his molecular repairs.:)

[Red]

Mr. Sinister

[blah]

Doom is an excellent manipulator and a resourceful fellow, however it will not aid him under this situation. Mr. Sinister simply has too much raw power at his disposal for doom to win. Eventually, Doom's Armour's Weapons will be exhausted while Sinister still enjoys the benefits of his natural mutant power.
Although it pains me to say so, Doom may not survive. I vote for sinister.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Do people not understand that Doom is pretty much only second to Dr. Strange in terms of magical might?

[bkhedr]

Doom

[3dman27]

vicious vic

[Hellstormer]

Mister Sinister

[PaleRider]

the more I thought of this the tougher it was, I think I have to go with Doom.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sinister

[1987olds442]

Doctor Doom :supes:

[Sparta*]

14 - 10 for Doctor Doom thus far...

[Zoken]

Doctor Doom, because he's Victor Von Doom biznatch.

[bulok]

Why's this even a contest?

http://members.aol.com/doomscribe/Hrdoom.gif


Doom baby!

[theoneandonly]

doom

[comicbookmaster]

:doom: dr.doom-if he has never been beaten(defeated or locked up in the vault)he has taken the silver surfer's powers,taken the beyonders powers,and messed with reed richards mind on countless occasions,and what has sinster done to compare to what doom has accomplish and will do in the future!
:doom:

[Genesis 1.0]

:doom: dr.doom-if he has never been beaten(defeated or locked up in the vault)he has taken the silver surfer's powers,taken the beyonders powers,and messed with reed richards mind on countless occasions,and what has sinster done to compare to what doom has accomplish and will do in the future!
:doom:

All these feats came with prep time.:o

[Mazrim Taim]

SinIster

[XFanTim]

:doom: dr.doom-if he has never been beaten(defeated or locked up in the vault)he has taken the silver surfer's powers,taken the beyonders powers,and messed with reed richards mind on countless occasions,and what has sinster done to compare to what doom has accomplish and will do in the future!
:doom:
Doom accomplished those things using resources and prep that he doesn't have in this fight.

I voted for Doom, but saying he would win based on achievements like that is kind of distorting things. I mean, Thanos once killed half the universe, but that doesn't mean he'd win a no prep fight with Odin.

[Wilderbeast]

Sinister because he can grow anything back, so doom can't do any damage without time.

[Chunin]

doom's overrated, mr. sinster has concussive force and he's just as smart as viccy.

mr. sinster

[Sparta*]

REMEMBER: NO PREP-TIME FOR EITHER COMBATANT!!!

18 - 13 for Vic so far...

[Kmack]

Dr. Doom

[wiegeabo]

Sinister

[Toby_Temple]

:doom: dr.doom-if he has never been beaten(defeated or locked up in the vault)he has taken the silver surfer's powers,taken the beyonders powers,and messed with reed richards mind on countless occasions,and what has sinster done to compare to what doom has accomplish and will do in the future!
:doom:

Mr. Sinister created the being that is destined and skilled enough to kill Apocalypse. He faced both the X-Men and the X-Factor. He was powerful enough to erase Jean Grey's memory. He can create superhuman abilities and can enhance and control mutant abilities. He is also a skilled psychologist, making him a skilled manipulator.

Doom is an egomaniac. Sinister can capitalize on that.

[Silicon Surfer]

Dooms armor doesn't have any weapons that will bother Sinister in the slightest. He can think of any plan he wants but he can't put any of them to use. That takes prep time he doesn't have.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Holly hell, does magic not count for anything?

[Logan Howlett]

Doom!...............I'll rant later.........

[Venom.Symbiote]

Holly hell, does magic not count for anything?

Magic counts for a lot but just like with Dr. Strange, Doom would need to know what spells to use against Sinister and that takes prep time. Besides I don't think he's got every spell memorized anyway, plus I'm sure some of them need artifacts or something to focus them. :venom:

[Guyverjay]

Magic counts for a lot but just like with Dr. Strange, Doom would need to know what spells to use against Sinister and that takes prep time. Besides I don't think he's got every spell memorized anyway, plus I'm sure some of them need artifacts or something to focus them. :venom:


LOL you underesimate Dr Strange.

Time freeze spell followed by teleportation into a black hole = Sinister ****ed:o

[Venom.Symbiote]

So maybe Dr. Strange wouldn't need the prep time, that's why he's number 1 and Doom's number 2. :venom:

[DJWolfmanjack]

I think doom simply because he is super smart so can think on his feet and he has defeated two of galactus's former heralds

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So maybe Dr. Strange wouldn't need the prep time, that's why he's number 1 and Doom's number 2. :venom:

You just don't get it. Magic pretty much trupms everything. Just because Doom doesn't use his magical abilities all that much does not mean he is that far behind Strange.

[XFanTim]

But Doom is far, far behind Strange when it comes to magic. If he were anywhere remotely close to Strange's level, he'd crush the Fantastic Four in under four seconds. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't got a clue how powerful Strange is.

Doom needed a power up from some demons to make himself a serious magical threat to the FF in "Unthinkable".

[XFanTim]

I already posted this link in the "How powerful is Dr. Strange?" thread, but here's a sample of what Dr. Strange is capable of. (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t367940.html)

Doom is nothing compared to Strange when it comes to magic. (Then again, the same could be said of just about everyone else.)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I already posted this link in the "How powerful is Dr. Strange?" thread, but here's a sample of what Dr. Strange is capable of. (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t367940.html)

Doom is nothing compared to Strange when it comes to magic. (Then again, the same could be said of just about everyone else.)

Yes I've seen it, you're right he is that far behind. But my point it, Sisnter=No magic or defense against it. Doom= a decent sorcerer in his own right.

[Venom.Symbiote]

But the thing you're forgetting is that the magic that Doom and Strange both wield is the type of magic that requires incantations, artifacts, amulets and sometimes even small ceremonies. They don't use some silly power where all they have to do is say the words backwards. Since this is a totally impromptu battle, Doom doesn't have the time to gather anything or prepare the proper spells. If he had time I have no doubt that Doom would emerge VICTORious, but since he doesn't I had to give it to Sinister. :venom:

[Genesis 1.0]

I think doom simply because he is super smart so can think on his feet and he has defeated two of galactus's former heralds

Man, do people not read anymore? I'll say it again, Essex is a LEGIT genuis his damn self, we're not talking about a battle between a genuis and a crash dummy.:o

[Sparta*]

Great debating guys :up: That's what I like to see around here :D

This match-up was closer then I thought it would be which is great. Doom wins though with a final tally of 20-14. Next match-up shortly...

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg



SPIDER-MAN(With Symbiote)
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


IRON MAN
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/IronMan.jpg

[Genesis 1.0]

Hmmmmm. Stark always seems to have sonics on his armor.

Iron Man

[XFanTim]

Iron Man. He has regular Spidey outclassed, and he probably has the necessary weaponry to deal with the Symbiote.

[Colossal Spoons]

Um, if Tony doesn't have some kind of supersonic device in his armor I'll be sueprised. I vote IronMan.

Only was I could see Spidey winning is if he somehow managed to get a little sliver of the symbiote onto Tony's armor, then it could get into it and do some damage.

[theoneandonly]

spidey

[Anubis]

Iron Man

[psycho]

Iron Man

[LongDong]

Iron man easy.

[Darth Hyperion]

Once again i have to stick to my i don't vote aganist Doom rule. Sinster would give Doom a hell of a fight but if he need to Doom would result to the use of his magic. Even though he hasn't used it in a while I can imagine someone like Doom letting his magical ablilities getting rusty. And factor in that we are unclear as to the effect of magic on Sinister I think that it would be the X factor to the Doom the winning edge.

Winner Victor Von Doom

[Darth Hyperion]

um well this is imbarassing. My pc must have been lagging cause the doom fight was the last fight on the page. Just ignore the previous post. sorry

As of for this fight Iorn Man

[Kmack]

Iron man

[Lobo]

Iron Man but I dont think it would be easy

[Toby_Temple]

Iron Man. A loud explosion will bring Spidey to his knees.

[Toby_Temple]

Man, do people not read anymore? I'll say it again, Essex is a LEGIT genuis his damn self, we're not talking about a battle between a genuis and a crash dummy.:o

I feel your pain.:up: Who knows, with prep time, Sinister could even make a clone of Victor Von Doom.

[Vanguard07]

The symbiotes bring weaknesses. Spidey'd be better off without the symbiote (at least then you cant beat him with a pack of matches and an airhorn).

I'll give this one to Iron Man.

[Silver Sable]

Iron Man

[1987olds442]

Iron Man

[comicbookmaster]

spidey

[rodhulk]

Iron Man

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The symbiote suit might actually hurt Pete more than it would help. Since Iron Man has everything including the Foreman grill in his armor it wouldn't be that hard to take spidey out. If he doesn't know about the sonics Pete could bring him to his knees.

Plus Tony would probably hold back against Spidey I doubt he would be willing to kill him or seriously injure him.

Still though I have to say Stark wins this.

[The BatDude]

Iron Man could just blast Spidey with some type of sonic attack then he just needs to pimp slap Spidey and the fights over.

[foxx5]

Iron Man would take spidey!

[Zoken]

Well I doubt Iron Man knows that Symbiot Spidey is vultnerable to sonic attacks. so I doubt he would know to use them. I mean Stark is smart, but he isn't the kind of heroes who knows every other heroe's weakness (that's Nick Fury, Dr. Doom, etc.)

I see Spidey taking this fight because he has the brains, and he thinks that way. Spider Man often takes on foes that are stronger, faster, or smarter than himself. he out works them. and remember, Spidey is a genius too. Spider-Man does think in a way to say "Okay, IF I came against him, how would I take out Iron Man, also I do believe he is less merciful when wearing the symbiote (I could be wrong) so there's another edge.

I vote Spidey.

[XFanTim]

Spidey's smart, but I don't think he's anywhere close to Stark's level. He's also not remotely as strong, or as durable. I'm not even sure what Spidey could do to damage Iron Man, to be honest.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Spidey may not be as strong as Iron Man but he's just as, or even more, resourceful when fighting stronger foes. I think he'd figure a way to neutralize the armor before ole Shellhead managed to fry him. :venom:

Spidey

[XFanTim]

Please suggest a way Spidey could "neutralize" Iron Man's armor. I can't really think of any. At least none that Stark is dumb enough to be taken by.

EDIT: Let me put it another way: Spidey is good at beating stronger foes who are not as smart as he is. Beating Tony Stark isn't like beating the Rhino or Titania or even Firelord.

[3dman27]

your friendly negiborhood SPIDER-MAN:spidey: :spidey: :spidey:

[Red]

Iron Man

[bulok]

Hello???? Spidey knocked da fawk out of Firelord, Richie Rich don't stand a chance. ok edit since I didn't realize it was Spidey with symbiote.

Peter doesnt need no stinkin' lame o symbiote. The plain vanilla Spidey will knock that iron helmet off of Iron man and give the guy a heart attack. Symbiote's just a sissy wet pants, start crying after loud noises.

[Colossal Spoons]

Please suggest a way Spidey could "neutralize" Iron Man's armor. I can't really think of any. At least none that Stark is dumb enough to be taken by.

Like I said a page ago, what if Spidey shoots off a piece of the symbiote onto Tony's armor and it does some damage.

[bkhedr]

Well I doubt Iron Man knows that Symbiot Spidey is vultnerable to sonic attacks. so I doubt he would know to use them. I mean Stark is smart, but he isn't the kind of heroes who knows every other heroe's weakness (that's Nick Fury, Dr. Doom, etc.)

I see Spidey taking this fight because he has the brains, and he thinks that way. Spider Man often takes on foes that are stronger, faster, or smarter than himself. he out works them. and remember, Spidey is a genius too. Spider-Man does think in a way to say "Okay, IF I came against him, how would I take out Iron Man, also I do believe he is less merciful when wearing the symbiote (I could be wrong) so there's another edge.

I vote Spidey.

Iron Man has fought Venom and knows about its weaknesses. I dont have an issue number (that part of my collection is in another country) but it was the point where alot of self righteous hero/vigilante types were trying to take Stark or his company down for being unethical or something like that (its been a long time since I read it)

Besides Tony's armor is so advanced now I think he'd hold his own without knowing the weaknesses. But he does so its a moot point

Tony wins

[bkhedr]

Spidey's smart, but I don't think he's anywhere close to Stark's level. He's also not remotely as strong, or as durable. I'm not even sure what Spidey could do to damage Iron Man, to be honest.

I think he might be able to damage the armor but it would probably hurt like hell (he'd have to web his fists up for sure) and Tony wouldnt just take the beating.

[XFanTim]

I don't think Spidey is strong enough to hurt Iron Man with a punch. Iron Man has taken shots from people a lot stronger than Spidey without being damaged. I also don't understand how a piece of the symbiote could damage Tony's armor. :confused:

I think some of you are underestimating Iron Man's durability.

Hello???? Spidey knocked da fawk out of Firelord, Richie Rich don't stand a chance.You've got to be kidding me. The only reason Spidey was able to hang with Firelord is 'cause Firelord fought like a freaking idiot. And it was stated that Firelord could have just destroyed the whole block and Spidey with it if he wanted.

Firelord is an arrogant dumbass -- Stark is a supergenius. So Spidey's key advantage against Firelord ('lord's dumbassery) completely evaporates against Stark.

[LongDong]

I don't think Spidey is strong enough to hurt Iron Man with a punch. Iron Man has taken shots from people a lot stronger than Spidey without being damaged. I also don't understand how a piece of the symbiote could damage Tony's armor. :confused:

I think some of you are underestimating Iron Man's durability.

You've got to be kidding me. The only reason Spidey was able to hang with Firelord is 'cause Firelord fought like a freaking idiot. And it was stated that Firelord could have just destroyed the whole block and Spidey with it if he wanted.

Firelord is an arrogant dumbass -- Stark is a supergenius. So Spidey's key advantage against Firelord ('lord's dumbassery) completely evaporates against Stark.

Very very true. Spider-Man has no chance. Iron Man is not quite the arrogant douche that Firelord was.

[bkhedr]

I don't think Spidey is strong enough to hurt Iron Man with a punch. Iron Man has taken shots from people a lot stronger than Spidey without being damaged. I also don't understand how a piece of the symbiote could damage Tony's armor. :confused:

I think some of you are underestimating Iron Man's durability.

You've got to be kidding me. The only reason Spidey was able to hang with Firelord is 'cause Firelord fought like a freaking idiot. And it was stated that Firelord could have just destroyed the whole block and Spidey with it if he wanted.

Firelord is an arrogant dumbass -- Stark is a supergenius. So Spidey's key advantage against Firelord ('lord's dumbassery) completely evaporates against Stark.

I dont think I'm underestimating Tony. I said Spidey cant win, he may be able to do some superflous damage to the armor. That's what I'm saying

[TheFalcon]

Iron man

[Silicon Surfer]

Spidey. Iron Man is too slow. Spidey could attach a web line and play crack the whip. Hitting a building at mach 1 would do some damage.repeted attacks like that would put Tin pants down. Stark is just too slow to defend himself.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't think Spidey is strong enough to hurt Iron Man with a punch. Iron Man has taken shots from people a lot stronger than Spidey without being damaged. I also don't understand how a piece of the symbiote could damage Tony's armor. :confused:

If a piece of it were to crawl into the armor and attack Tony. I never said anything about damaging the armor, Tony would be the target.

[Genesis 1.0]

Simple fact of the matter is that against a foe that doesn't have any type of sound based weapon, Symbiote Spidey is so much tougher to beat. Against someone like Stark who always seems to have sonics equipped in his armor, it makes Peter weaker. It's not as if the symbiote just falls off and Peter continues unfazed, Peter feels that same pain. Effectively crippling him and Tony can and will multi-task. Sonics to disrupt the suit and then a concussive blast and this one's over.

[Hellstormer]

Spidey with :venom:

[XFanTim]

Spidey. Iron Man is too slow. Spidey could attach a web line and play crack the whip. Hitting a building at mach 1 would do some damage.repeted attacks like that would put Tin pants down. Stark is just too slow to defend himself.
If Stark is going mach 1, he'd either snap the webline or rip it out of Spidey's hand. Mach 1 is over 700 mph.

If a piece of it were to crawl into the armor and attack Tony. I never said anything about damaging the armor, Tony would be the target.Did Spidey ever use the symbiote in that way when he had it? Anyway, I would have though Tony's armor had an air-tight seal.

[Guyverjay]

Jobber aura is a funny thing;)

Jobber aura + pissed Parker = Ownage

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_34.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_35.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_36.jpg

Yes I know its arno Stark:o

[LongDong]

Jobber aura is a funny thing;)

Jobber aura + pissed Parker = Ownage

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_34.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_35.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spider-Man_Annual_-_020_36.jpg

Yes I know its arno Stark:o

And he wasn't fighting back. Was there a point to this?

[1987olds442]

What is the point of showing someone getting beat by Spider-Man that isn't even Tony.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hehe, just realized his handle is "LongDong".

[LongDong]

Hehe, just realized his handle is "LongDong".

Yeha I meant it to be Ding but somehow screwed that up.

[Colossal Spoons]

pun intended :)

[LongDong]

I have that issue of Spider-Man next to the crapper right now. Horrible comic.

[Silicon Surfer]

If Stark is going mach 1, he'd either snap the webline or rip it out of Spidey's hand. Mach 1 is over 700 mph.
Actually it's about 750 mph. That's the speed of the tip of a whip when it's cracked. Spidey and his webs are strong enough to take it. Besides I never said he'd hold on to it.

[Vanguard07]

If i was spidey I'd take the fight to the nearest liquor store and exploit Tony's major weakness.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Actually it's about 750 mph. That's the speed of the tip of a whip when it's cracked. Spidey and his webs are strong enough to take it. Besides I never said he'd hold on to it.

Umm for those of you that don't know. Spider-Silk is approx eight times stronger than steel cables of the same porpotions. :up:

[Guyverjay]

And he wasn't fighting back. Was there a point to this?


What is the point of showing someone getting beat by Spider-Man that isn't even Tony.


Because I felt like it obviously:rolleyes:

[Sparta*]

What is Spider-man's strength level with the Symbiote? Eddie Brock got super strength when the symbiote bonded with him, but he was human to begin with...Peter Parker already had super strength before the symbiote bonded with him.

[Silicon Surfer]

It was the same as normal. The symbiote passed Spideys powers on but since Brock was larger and stronger to begin with he got a little stronger after the power up.

[Midnight Ice]

Iron Man. :xmen:

[Sparta*]

20 - 7 is the final tally for Iron Man!!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg




T H A N O S
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DR. STRANGE
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/DoctorStrange2.jpg

[theoneandonly]

be serious it has to be thanos

lovin this board

[XFanTim]

double post

[XFanTim]

Actually it's about 750 mph. That's the speed of the tip of a whip when it's cracked. Spidey and his webs are strong enough to take it. Besides I never said he'd hold on to it.
You sure about that? It's easy to hold onto a whip, because even though it's fast moving, it's very light. Holding onto an Iron Man sized projectile moving at mach 1 is a whole different ballgame.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're proposing. If you're saying Spidey hits Stark with a web line when Stark is moving at mach 1, and then whips him around into something, then Spidey has to hold on at least long enough to whip Stark around. If he hits him with a webline and lets go instantly, Stark will just be dragging a webline behind him (which isn't going to hurt him.)

In order to change the direction Iron Man is heading in, Spidey needs to exert a centripetal force of m * v^2 / r, where m is Iron Man's mass, v is his speed, and r is the radius of the turn (i.e., the length of the webline.) If he exerts any less force than that, then Stark will be dragging Spidey behind him (unless Spidey lets go or the line snaps.)

Lets cruch some numbers. (I'll mostly use metric units, since that's what I'm used to.)

I've got to figure Iron Man weighs at least 350 pounds in full armor (if not more). That's about 160 kilograms. (If he weighs more than that, that makes Spidey's task even harder.)

The speed of sound is about 340 meters per second.

The longer Spidey's line is, the less force he has to exert, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he uses a nice long line. 50 ft, or about 15 meters. (If he's shooting webs at Stark from much more than 50 ft away, Tony would have ample time to dodge.)

So, that means that to whip Stark around when he's doing mach 1, Spidey has to exert a force of 160 * 340^2 / 15 = 1,233,067 Newtons.

That's equal to 1,359 tons. Way, way out of Spidey's range. (Unless I've screwed up the arithmetic somewhere.)

If by "crack the whip" you meant that Spidey would halt Stark dead in his tracks, then that's even harder than whipping him around into something. (It's harder to stop someone than it is to turn him.)

The Short Version (for those who hate math)

The amount of momentum someone has depends on their mass and their velocity. Mach 1 is an extremely fast velocity, and Iron Man is quite massive as well (since he's wearing metal armor). So that means his inertia is so much that even if Spidey snags him with a webline Tony would just keep moving in the same direction, dragging Spidey along behind him (unless Spidey lets go or the webline breaks.)

Of course, comic book writers tend to invent their own physics to suit the story, but I'm trying to be realistic here. (I know a person with spider-powers is inherently unrealistic, but still: if they establish that his powers only make him so strong, he shouldn't be performing feats of strength that exceed that by a couple orders of magnitude.)

[Zoken]

Thats a good pairing, a tough competition, but i think that in the end, Thanos would emerge victorious... now if it were Dr. Doom against Thanos, ol' wrinkle chin would be gettin' his tush handed to him in front of his girl, but Dr. S will go down.

[XFanTim]

be serious it has to be thanos

lovin this board
I wouldn't be so sure. Strange has taken on Adam Warlock w/ the Infinity Gauntlet, and still done all right. (This match is of course Thanos without the Gauntet). He's also beat the In-Betweener (a high-level cosmic) without any prep. Thanos beat the In-Betweener too, but only by basically tricking him into a place where he was powerless. It was basically acknowledged that in a straight up fight In-Betweener would beat Thanos.

Thanos has lots of impressive victories too, but almost always by using tons of advance planning and prep. In a no prep-time match like this one, I think Strange has more going for him.

I'll vote for Doctor Strange.

[XFanTim]

Thats a good pairing, a tough competition, but i think that in the end, Thanos would emerge victorious... now if it were Dr. Doom against Thanos, ol' wrinkle chin would be gettin' his tush handed to him in front of his girl, but Dr. S will go down.

You've got to be kidding me. Strange is a million times more powerful than Doom. I'll grant you Doom's intellect and cunning makes him extremely formidable, but that's not nearly as much of a factor in a no prep-time match like this one.

And the thing is, even with prep Thanos would beat Doom. Thanos can do everything Doom does, only better. He's smarter, a better planner, and has more extensive resources. There's a reason that even with prep Doom still finds himself thwarted by the Fantastic Four -- whereas Thanos has successfully achieved omnipotence multiple times (and not crummy Beyonder or Cosmic Cube level omnipotence), not to mention killing half the Marvel Universe.

[Zoken]

he lost his cosmic cube when HE made the earth trembly and spider-man had him arested by NYPD

[Venom.Symbiote]

If you want to be technical, all Thanos has to do is rush Dr. Strange and hit him. He apparently possesses class 100 strength since he physically took on Thor and the Thing at the same time and held his own. I think in a no prep battle, Thanos takes it. With prep time however.......:venom:

[1987olds442]

Because I felt like it obviously:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[1987olds442]

I think Thanos would come out the winner in this match-up but it wouldn't be an easy fight.

Unless it was the wimpy Thanos that was beaten by Squirrel Girl then I would have to say Dr. Strange easily :)

[Guyverjay]

:rolleyes:


Wow and you think MY post was pointless?:rolleyes:

[TheFalcon]

Thanos

[rodhulk]

Thanos.

[Hellstormer]

Dr. Strange

[Colossal Spoons]

Dr.Strange, for all the reasons listed on the previous page. Magic is not to be underestimated.

[Brainiac 8]

Thanos

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Magic should not be underatimated, true
but neither should Thanos.
Thanos wins - flawless victory.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

8-3 to Thanos, could it be more humiliating.
Well not really he's a demi-god, who is about to crown himself to TOAA - read Marvel the end series.

[torkibe]

You've got to be kidding me. Strange is a million times more powerful than Doom.

Umm... No. Next to Strange, Doom is the most powerful magician on the planet. He's next in line for "Sorcerer Supreme" if something happened to Strange. Now add all his technolgy, intellect and the fact that he is evil and would not hold back and there is a very good chance he would defeat Strange. It would be quite a battle either way.

Thanos is a different story. Strange could certainly hold his own, but in the end I think I'd have to go with Thanos.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

that makes it 9-3

[Guyverjay]

Dr Strange

[Guyverjay]

Umm... No. Next to Strange, Doom is the most powerful magician on the planet. He's next in line for "Sorcerer Supreme" if something happened to Strange. Now add all his technolgy, intellect and the fact that he is evil and would not hold back and there is a very good chance he would defeat Strange. It would be quite a battle either way.

Thanos is a different story. Strange could certainly hold his own, but in the end I think I'd have to go with Thanos.

That may well be true but the gulf between Strange and Doom is IMMENSE

[LongDong]

we should have the next fight be rocky vs bullwinkle

[PaleRider]

Thanos, I'm not going to underestimate Strange but come on I can't beleive he has votes.

[Guyverjay]

Thanos, I'm not going to underestimate Strange but come on I can't beleive he has votes.


:confused:

[Sparta*]

FYI: Thanos doesn't have the Infinity Gauntlet in this match-up. I figured you all knew that but I just wanted to make sure.

10 - 4 for Thanos so far...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

did he have the heart of darkness a.k.a. heart of the universe
anyhow my vote goes to thanos

[Silver Sable]

Thanos

[Red]

Thano's.

[The BatDude]

Dr. Strange

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

FYI: Thanos doesn't have the Infinity Gauntlet in this match-up. I figured you all knew that but I just wanted to make sure.

10 - 4 for Thanos so far...

Good thing you cleared that up Sparta*, if he did I was going to vote Strange :up: :D

This is a tough one. I think it could go either way, plus it depends which Thanos shows up. I would have to give it to Thanos the Majority of the time though.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

13-5
I think it's settled.

[Colossal Spoons]

Not till the new match is posted it isn't.

I think the MU could use a few more magicians while we're on the subject. Unless the character slips into limbo, Wiccan should be Strange's apprentice or something. I'd have suggested Nico from Runaways but she can't do anything without her staff.

[Vanguard07]

I'm gonna go with Doctor strange on this one. He's precognitive which gives him prep time in any fight. Prep time for a sorcerer supreme is a huge factor. Also as stated above magic isnt to be underestimated.

Dr Strange is probably as powerful as Thanos it's just that his powers are different. Different and tricky.

I'm giving it to Strange cause he's the underdog but he DOES still have a good shot. And Wrinkle chin got beat by Squirrel girl so clearly he's a pushover these days.

[Sparta*]

14 - 7 for Thanos so far...

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not to forget that Thanos is one of those "odd beings" He seems to be outside and unaffected by this universes usual laws of nature or reality :up:

[1987olds442]

Wow and you think MY post was pointless?Yes :rolleyes:

[Silicon Surfer]

Difficult decision! I have to go with Strange on this one. Thanos is the more powerful but then again so are most of Stranges opponents.Strange has an immense number of attacks and defenses with which to counter raw power.
As to Spidey and Iron Man, what I meant was to snag him with a line duing the fight and then crack the whip so that Tony was going Mach 1 when he impacts something hard.