Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[CrypticOne]

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CYCLOPS
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CAPTAIN AMERICA
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Hmm. Cyclops has my vote. This would be a good match to see.

[gambitfire]

Does anyone remember who Cyke Fought in a JLA crossover?.......i think it was a JLA crossover...........wow im confused now.

[Ockham]

Cyclops.

If the situation was phrased as "If Cyclops and Cap had a fight on the pages of a published issue from Marvel Comics, who would win?", then I would vote for Cap. He has such an undefeatable jobber aura. But objectively, taking all their abilities and options into account, and assuming a not-holding-back no-CIS/PIS fight, Cyclops should win maybe 8/10.

Just my humble opinion, nothing more.

[LEX]

If Cyclops is using his full blast with nothing holding him back, then my vote goes to him. That is, if Cap doesn't decapitate him first with his shield, which I doubt because Cyclops would blast it away, anyway.

[bkhedr]

Cap

unless the other guy has cosmic powers I'm going for Cap

silly I know, but I dont care :woot:

Cap gets my vote

[bkhedr]

Cyke is himself one of the best hand to hand combatants in the MU. Add in the optic blast and Cap doesn't have the proverbial snowflakes chance. Caps shield would be useless since a wide angle blast would be bigger than area that the shield could protect. A classic rebound shot would bounce around at the speed of light and he would not have a clue as to what direction it would hit from. Against someone who can hit Quicksilver Caps agility is likewise useless. Cap can throw his shield quite quickly but Cykes optic blasts are even faster so he loses in that scenario too.

no he's not

[K4tzm4n]

Cap

[3dman27]

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CAPTAIN AMERICA
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/CaptainAmerica.jpghere standsthe guy who sends scott SOMMERS to an early fall
:star:

[CanaryFan]

Cap

[Red X]

Cyclops

[The_Vision]

Cap

[vindrow]

Cyke is himself one of the best hand to hand combatants in the MU.


You don't really believe this do you..on the X-Men alone people like Wolvie, gambit, kitty, Nightcrawler..etc..are better hand-to-hand fighters than Cyke, let alone in the MU.

Well, anyway this would be an interesting fight neither could take the other down with a direct attack, even Cyke using a full power blast would have to resort to some sort of trick blast, as would Cap with throwing his shield..both are tactically sound but I believe that Cap has the edge here. Cyke dows a one weakness that would go against him and that is his visor, if cap can knock it off that would pretty much the end of the fight, but that wouldn't be easy.

We know that one of Cap's strategies is to throw his shield one way while he goes the other, both of them going for his target..so if the target takes out the shiield then Cap takes him out, and if the target tries to take out Cap(which its not a guarantee that the target will hit Cap, thanks to his speed and agility) then the shield takes out the target.

I think that this fight would be a close one, with both combatants being battered and bruised but after seeing aome of the foes and heroes that Cap has taken out and the no quit attitude that he has I think Cap takes a close one.

[incubat]

so i was going to vote for cap, until i read vanguard's post
cap would put up a good fight, he'd take cyke down a few times, until scott'd get tired of it and use some super duper califragilistic mega blast and win the match
allthough it's true, marvel editors would never let this happen, scott is such a wuss on the comic pages
but in the end my vote goes to cyclops

[hippy fascist]

cap, as civil war x-men showed, cyc is very powerful but alaways holds back, cap'd take him

[Hellstormer]

Cyclops

i think ppl underestimate him too much. :)
I'll never underestimate him after the kickass ending to Astonishing X-Men 17

[incubat]

what happened there?

[Vanguard07]

You don't really believe this do you..on the X-Men alone people like Wolvie, gambit, kitty, Nightcrawler..etc..are better hand-to-hand fighters than Cyke, let alone in the MU.

Well, anyway this would be an interesting fight neither could take the other down with a direct attack, even Cyke using a full power blast would have to resort to some sort of trick blast, as would Cap with throwing his shield..both are tactically sound but I believe that Cap has the edge here. Cyke dows a one weakness that would go against him and that is his visor, if cap can knock it off that would pretty much the end of the fight, but that wouldn't be easy.

We know that one of Cap's strategies is to throw his shield one way while he goes the other, both of them going for his target..so if the target takes out the shiield then Cap takes him out, and if the target tries to take out Cap(which its not a guarantee that the target will hit Cap, thanks to his speed and agility) then the shield takes out the target.

I think that this fight would be a close one, with both combatants being battered and bruised but after seeing aome of the foes and heroes that Cap has taken out and the no quit attitude that he has I think Cap takes a close one.

LMAO! Do you have any idea how bad an idea that would be for Cap? If Cyke lost his visor in this fight, any chance that Cap had before would disappear completely.

[Iron Fist]

Cyclops.

[Hellstormer]

what happened there?
Ok so the hellfire club comes back and the X-men get the **** beat out of them and Cyclops goes into a coma without his visor and his optic beams aren't basting then after it seems like the Club finally won Cyclops comes back and shoots ione the them point blank in the back of the head with a pistol and we seem his giving the most badass line in one of the most badass panels and he doesn't have his visor on or his eyes closed.

[incubat]

Ok so the hellfire club comes back and the X-men get the **** beat out of them and Cyclops goes into a coma without his visor and his optic beams aren't basting then after it seems like the Club finally won Cyclops comes back and shoots ione the them point blank in the back of the head with a pistol and we seem his giving the most badass line in one of the most badass panels and he doesn't have his visor on or his eyes closed.

awesome, i'm gonna have to read that

[Lady Stormcrow]

I agree that Cyclops would hold back, so I'm going with Captain America.

[Sparta*]

16 - 15 for Cyclops so far...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Make it 16 - 16 (tie) I give my vote to the cap.

[LadyMoira]

I'm betting Cap would find a way to outsmart Cyclops and offset the advantage of Cyclops powers so I'm going with Cap.

[Midnight Ice]

...somehow there's no logic in that.
Ok, let me break it down for you then...I meant that for Cap to win he would have to get behind Cyclops pretty early, but I didn't think that would be likely so I think Cyclops would win the fight. Is that easy to understand now??:xmen:

[kytrigger]

This fight has brought up a good question of do the contestants have the same reservations as how they are depicted in the comics, or is everyone going all out power wise?

[Anubis]

After thinking it over, i'm gonna go with Cyke. I figure it would ultimately end a little less one sided than that fight Mimic had with an alternate universe Cap which was as soon as the fight started Mimic blasted him into a wall.

[Sparta*]

This fight has brought up a good question of do the contestants have the same reservations as how they are depicted in the comics, or is everyone going all out power wise?

It's usually both characters going all out...but I dunno for this match-up. Cyclops rarely ever goes all out so it would just seem so strange...plus I don't think he'd just full out blast Captain America to death.

[kytrigger]

It's usually both characters going all out...but I dunno for this match-up. Cyclops rarely ever goes all out so it would just seem so strange...plus I don't think he'd just full out blast Captain America to death.

I see what you're saying. Although if Cyke did let loose and use all his power, I bet he would definately blast Cap to death. To me, Cyke has always seemed like one of the=ose guys that is reserved, but you know that if they let loose, they would go completely all out and destroy everything, I mean he has to have a lot of pent up aggression over the years...

[vindrow]

LMAO! Do you have any idea how bad an idea that would be for Cap? If Cyke lost his visor in this fight, any chance that Cap had before would disappear completely.


Really, since when could Cyke see through his eyelids? Sure, he could fire blindly, and he might get lucky and hit Cap but with Cap's agility and speed that wouldn't be likely.

[kytrigger]

Really, since when could Cyke see through his eyelids? Sure, he could fire blindly, and he might get lucky and hit Cap but with Cap's agility and speed that wouldn't be likely.

He wouldn't have to see to even hit Cap then, all he would have to do is turn in a circle. His unfiltered blast has a huge radius. I don't care how agile Cap is, he couldn't escape that wide of a blast.

[Sloth7d]

But Caps shield is unbreakable. Couldn't Cap deflect the bast with that?

[Anubis]

Yes, he would. But the force of the blast, depending on how much he puts into it because the Vibranium in the shield would absorb a lot of the impact, could force him back.

[kytrigger]

And even then, how would Cap beat Cyke then? He would have to just sit behind his shield the entire time and any move he made, he would get fried.

[Anubis]

Or he could just Throw the shield and dodge his blasts until either the shield hits him in the back of the head from the ricochet, or he turns his attention towards the bouncing shield and leaves himself open for a smack to the head from Cap. Doubt he's gonna go all out and take off the visor on Cap right away and eliminate his maneuvering abilities, taking out everything in the beam's path. That's the only way I can see Cap coming away with a victory.

Make no mistake, it wont be easy. But I gotta figure that Cap couldn't dodge, or get his shield up fast enough to block a blast coming at the speed of light. (Assuming Cyke just lets him have it right away. If not, then his chances for the win will dwindle considerably the more time he gives Cap to get to him.) Cap does of course, see faster or whatever. His reaction time is much faster than Cyke's and that could be the key to victory. You know what? I've gone and convinced myself. I'm changing my vote to Cap.

[trustyside-kick]

^You made some good points. I forgot Cap would be smart enough to figure out a good strategy like that. I would like to change my vote to Cap.

[Toby_Temple]

I'm voting for CAP. Once Scot misses, he's going down. Steve, with his agility, would dodge Scot's aim and find an opening then throw his shield at Cyclops.

[Paloogin]

I would go for Mr Rogers. He always finds a way to beat everyone, even people who have vastly superior abilities. So as much as it would be a fight that I would love to see, and Cyclops would definitely have a chance if he kept Cap at a distance, my guess is that Cap would find a way to get hand to hand with Summers and kick his ass, plain and simple.

[BrianWilly]

Cyclops wins. I mean, Captain America's entire and only chance of victory seems to have been unanimously agreed to be completely dependent on the possibility of Cyclops holding back.

[Midnight Ice]

Ok guys, we are forgetting something. Someone said that if Cyclops lost his visor, he wouldn't be able to see. I thought that too, but think about it, even with his visor on, the blasts are coming out of his eyes constantly, and he can still see. So if you think about that, he should be able to see without his visor and still see Cap:xmen:http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/iceman03/iceman-1.gif

[Anubis]

Yeah, but he'd take out everything in the path of his eyes if he tried to open them. I don't recall the rules stating they were in an unpopulated area.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Yeah, but he'd take out everything in the path of his eyes if he tried to open them. I don't recall the rules stating they were in an unpopulated area.No, but maybe that would be assumed (unless otherwise stated). Nearly all of the battles in this thread would cause some/many civilian deaths if they were held in a populated area. While holding these fights is obviously a lot more important than a few thousand regular innocent deaths, the arranger of the tournament is more likely to use cheaper (unpopulated) land where damage/refurbishment costs following battles are lower. :yay:

[symbioticspaz]

I really can't see how Cap would win at all. Theres no possible way he could dodge a full out blast. And to whoever said he would hide behind his shield, then throw it..........thats just dumb. How do you hide behind something, then get rid of it w/o being blown away? Cyclops has this easy if he's going all out, which I thought was happening with all of these matches

[KevanG]

I'd give it to Cap, though it could go either way. Cap has decades of experience as does Cyclops and both have been in extensive training for years upon years and are both in peak condition. They could fight for hours without slipping up but when one does. WHAM! Lights out.

[Ahura Mazda]

Let me think about this, Cyclops with eye blasts that can blow a hole through a mountain against cap whose only defence would be his shield and his peak human condition.....I think I will go with Cyclops

[3dman27]

I'd give it to Cap, though it could go either way. Cap has decades of experience as does Cyclops and both have been in extensive training for years upon years and are both in peak condition. They could fight for hours without slipping up but when one does. WHAM! Lights out.
don't forget by marvel time only CAP has DECADES of expierence cykes been operating only a FEW YEARS under the marvel time rules

[Genesis 1.0]

The more obvious reasons for Cyclops' victory have already been explained but as for the whole 'he'd be blind without the visor' deal, you guys do remember that he's an expert at spatial mathematics, as shown years ago while shooting pool. Cyclops is fully capable of taking the last place he saw Cap and estimating a number of points in which to fire. The deck is stacked quite high against the Captain but this would be one hell of a fight.

Cyclops

[Vanguard07]

guys he can see while he's blasting. Granted it might look kinda wierd for him seeing as how everything he looked at would be in the process of being blown away.
But he can still see nonetheless.

Also you guys are assuming there would be innocents in the area wich was never mentioned. You guys are assuming that Cyclops would be holding back despite the fact that it's contradictory to the established premise of these fights. and most of you assume that Cyclops only blasts would be narrow focused beams which Cap could dodge.

Lemme ask you this. Do you really think that Cyclops, one of the biggest tactical geniuses in the MU would try narrow focused, easy to dodge beams against someone he knows to be very fast, very agile, very skilled and highly proficient at dodging and blocking such attacks?

Realistically if they're both trying to win then Cyke would just open up fully and let everything within his field of vision have it and how exactly would Captain America with his 3 foot shield protect himself from that.

You guys who voted for him did so based on false assumptions.

[Silicon Surfer]

Cyke can do more with the visor than without it and can still use full power so he would not willingly remove it. He never does. Cyke from the early days could hit Quicksilver so the much slower Cap has no possibility of dodging whatsoever. Cap's shield is 2 1/2 feet in diameter and Cap is over 6 feet tall so his shield cannot cover all of him. This means that Cap cannot protect himself with his shield either since Cyke can create a beam larger than 2 1/2 feet in diameter. Cap goes down instantly and for good.

[Sparta*]

I'll vote for Cyclops, bringing the final tally to 21 - 20 for Captain America

[Sparta*]

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GAMBIT
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ELECTRO
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[Silicon Surfer]

Electro

[Ahura Mazda]

Well lets see based on powers used optimally, Electro easy but based on how those characters use them I want to give it to Gambit.

[Parker]

Even though Gambit is pretty crafty and Electro is about as dumb as a doorknob, he still possesses the superior power. Unless of course Gambit evolves into New Sun, but we're not accounting for that.

Verdict: Electro

[bkhedr]

Electro

[3dman27]

mr.DIL.LON

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Electro

I'll vote for Cyclops, bringing the final tally to 21 - 20 for Captain AmericaWow close one.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, Electro; who looks way cooler in the Ultimate universe(see my avy) :D

[LadyMoira]

I'm going to go with Gambit for the simple reason that while Electro has more power he's also dumb as rocks.

[Mistress Gluon]

Electro. He could potentially destroy Gambit with relative ease.

[K4tzm4n]

Gambit...Yes, electro has the power advtange...But gambit has every other advantage.

[Mistress Gluon]

I don't think so. He's not faster than electricity, and he definitely doesn't have the means to defend himself from it.

[Anubis]

Electro

[Bastila]

Gambit

[Ahura Mazda]

Lets be honest, electro power wise is one of the most powerful villains but he is portrayed as a total idiot so as to make him a class D villain. I just abhor giving a match to characters which are portrayed as total idiots.

[Anubis]

Electro's not that stupid. And has show that he is quite capable. I mean, he beat the living hell out of Spidey in they're last fight. (Before Bendis had him fainting at the thought of getting a beating from Luke f**kin' Cage that is.) I mean seriously, he'd kick Gambit's ass. He's out of his league.

[Ahura Mazda]

Electro's not that stupid. And has show that he is quite capable. I mean, he beat the living hell out of Spidey in they're last fight. (Before Bendis had him fainting at the thought of getting a beating from Luke f**kin' Cage that is.) I mean seriously, he'd kick Gambit's ass. He's out of his league.


But that is what i do not understand cage should be affected by electricty and I thought he was. Electro should not have been so afraid imho.

Edit: corrected spelling mistake due to typing too fast.

[1987olds442]

Electro

[trustyside-kick]

Elektro

[Mistress Gluon]

But that is what i do not understand cage should be affected by electricty and I thought he was. Electro should not have been so afraid imho.

Edit: corrected spelling mistake due to typing too fast.

He is affected by it. That's why he had Pete web up his hands.

[psycho]

Electro

[Paloogin]

Electro. Simply because of Gambit's lack of any kind of defense against the electricity. But I do like Gambit, so I'll say he'd put up a damn good fight ;)

[Parker]

The only way I see Gambit winning is if he could get Electro to zap his adamantium bo, then charge the hell out of it with biokinetic energy, and maybe that would overload ol' sparky and put his lights out.

[CrypticOne]

Hmm, this is a interesting match. I'm going to have to go with Gambit though. Gambit just seems better skilled.

My Vote - Gambit

[inspiritonly]

brain over brawn in this one. Gambit would take him

[Anubis]

But that is what i do not understand cage should be affected by electricty and I thought he was. Electro should not have been so afraid imho.

Edit: corrected spelling mistake due to typing too fast.

Like most poor showing for various characters, that's can be blamed on bad writing. He coulda put up a fight, but that would have been exciting, And you can't have that in a talking heads book like New Avengers.

And you know, what Mistress said. Web on the hands. That didn't cover the rest of his body but whatever.

[Anubis]

Since both characters are basically immortal this battle would take years and cost thousands of lives and still come down to a draw. But what the hay, I vote Thor!

:confused:

[Genesis 1.0]

On paper, one sided fight. Looking at character history and uses to date, it's a little more level, any way you look at it this is an uphill battle for Remy.

Electro is potentially one of the most powerful characters in the MU below cosmic levels, but that potential never changes to present tense. He should smoke 9 out of 10 guys he's lost to but he's a thug, a thug with alot of power but when it comes down to brass tacks, still a thug and he fights according to that formula. Instead of charging the air, the very atmosphere around targets, boxing them in, paralyzing them instantly, he'll throw balls of electricity that can be avoided. Instead of utlizing potential speed advantages, he'll stay on a solid surface and attack, on the rare occassion he'll break away from that but it's his usual MO. The guy was no genuis before getting his powers and it hasn't changed afterward, he beat Spider-Man not because he showed any intelligence, he was just overtly powerful blended with the low cunning you usually attribute to criminals.

Remy on the other hand has earned his way to the top of the thieving pyramid, skills he tends to use in almost every battle. Agility, Speed, Intelligence, and quite a dirty and underhanded player overall. Remy just as much a career criminal as Dillion, the diffrence being he's got the trump when it comes to strategy, hell to brains in general. Now Mr. LeBeau has absolutely no match for Electro's power, but he can charge pretty much anything, not just those signature cards. So a rock, debris from Dillion's blasts, anything in the area is a weapon.

Two tags from Electro at most will put Remy down, one particularly powerful blast as a matter of fact but a few well aimed explosions will do the same to Dillion, since he has no elevated Durability. I'll take brains over brawn in this one, it's always Electro's Achilles heel.

Gambit

[LadyMoira]

On paper, one sided fight. Looking at character history and uses to date, it's a little more level, any way you look at it this is an uphill battle for Remy.

Electro is potentially one of the most powerful characters in the MU below cosmic levels, but that potential never changes to present tense. He should smoke 9 out of 10 guys he's lost to but he's a thug, a thug with alot of power but when it comes down to brass tacks, still a thug and he fights according to that formula. Instead of charging the air, the very atmosphere around targets, boxing them in, paralyzing them instantly, he'll throw balls of electricity that can be avoided. Instead of utlizing potential speed advantages, he'll stay on a solid surface and attack, on the rare occassion he'll break away from that but it's his usual MO. The guy was no genuis before getting his powers and it hasn't changed afterward, he beat Spider-Man not because he showed any intelligence, he was just overtly powerful blended with the low cunning you usually attribute to criminals.

Remy on the other hand has earned his way to the top of the thieving pyramid, skills he tends to use in almost every battle. Agility, Speed, Intelligence, and quite a dirty and underhanded player overall. Remy just as much a career criminal as Dillion, the diffrence being he's got the trump when it comes to strategy, hell to brains in general. Now Mr. LeBeau has absolutely no match for Electro's power, but he can charge pretty much anything, not just those signature cards. So a rock, debris from Dillion's blasts, anything in the area is a weapon.

Two tags from Electro at most will put Remy down, one particularly powerful blast as a matter of fact but a few well aimed explosions will do the same to Dillion, since he has no elevated Durability. I'll take brains over brawn in this one, it's always Electro's Achilles heel.

Gambit

Bravo! My reasoning exactly...:woot:

[The Punisher]

The Cajun.

[Hellstormer]

Gambit

[Mistress Gluon]

Actually, those balls of lightning that Spidey happens to dodge are only dodged courtesy of Spidey's precognition. Not because they're slow.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

My vote is for Gambit. Electro may have superior power, but potential is an easily squandered thing. Gambit's much more ingenuitive, like a Bullseye equivalent of the X-Men. Plenty of Spidey villains outdo Peter in many respects, and they all fall because they lack a third dimension to their 2D fighting strategies. Electro's just another one in that long list.

[Mistress Gluon]

Spidey has a few advantages of his own. Though I agree that many of his villans outshine him. However, had it just been Peter Parker without his Spider-Man advantages, and just trained to a high degree, most of his villans would've killed him by now.

[Silicon Surfer]

An electrical attack would be undodgeable without precognition since it would hit you before you had time to even realize that it was coming. You would never even see it. Electro may not have much in the way of intelligence but he also does not need it when he has an attack that cannot be either dodged or survived.

[incubat]

gambit, genesis allready posted why

[kytrigger]

Electro. Gambit is fast and agile, but I doubt he is fast enough to dodge Electro's shots. And while Electro is outsmarted and beat by lesser people all the time, I think he has enogh of a power advantage here where that doesn't make a difference.

[Exploding Boy]

Gambit

[Sloth7d]

If we're talking about both characters at their peak potential then Gambit takes it easy.
I vote Gambit.
At max power he is an omega level mutant.

[Vanguard07]

We're not talking about max potential and if you wanna start adding your own conditions to the established ones why not decide that for this fight Electro is tied up, blindfolded and suspended upside down in a tank of water?

Electro would win this. Easilly. Gambit is fast, for a human but he's not nearly fast enough and in a straight up fight gambit's fighting tactics just wouldnt be enough. Sure Gambit's smarter than electro but it's hard to outwit a lightning bolt. When someone's attacks travel as fast as your thoughts you're kinda *#%@ed. Electro is used to fighting Spiderman and thus is used to firing at one hell of a fast moving target. Gambit by comparison may as well be standing still.

The main arguments for gambit's side are a) that Electro isnt very smart but he doesnt have to be smart in this case. He's plenty smart enough to fry gambit.
b) that Gambit's attacks can take Electro out just as easilly as vice versa but that's not really true. Electro's a flyer and thus has far greater mobility and potential to dodge. Also he's shown himself capable of counter shooting projectiles and setting up electric defenses before. They're nowhere near the potential applications of his power but just detonating gambits projectiles prematurely would be plenty effective enough.

Also Electro is used to fighting Spiderman and thus is used to firing at one hell of a fast moving target. Gambit by comparison may as well be standing still.

Electro easilly.

[Andykin]

Electro might not be as smart as gambit, but even spidey's needed an insulated suit now and again. and I'm think Remy isn't just walking around with one on, plus Rem lacks ESP like the spidey-sence. So unless Rem gets the jump on Electro...

Electro wins

[Sloth7d]

We're not talking about max potential and if you wanna start adding your own conditions to the established ones why not decide that for this fight Electro is tied up, blindfolded and suspended upside down in a tank of water?
I thought in all matches we refer to the characters at their absolute best unless the match maker states otherwise.
If Gambit and electro are at their best Electro goes down easily.

[kytrigger]

I thought in all matches we refer to the characters at their absolute best unless the match maker states otherwise.
If Gambit and electro are at their best Electro goes down easily.

Nope. It is generally in their normal power level. Now it can be said that both characters are going to go all out, which might make them a little more powerful than usual, but not just teh strongest they have ever been period. Otherwise half of the characters would have the Uni power and whatnot.

[Sparta*]

Electro wins 15 - 13! Next match-up shortly...

[Sparta*]

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DAREDEVIL
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TASKMASTER
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[LadyMoira]

Close one but I think Taskmaster's ability to remember all fighting moves would make him able to prepare ahead for anything Matt throws at him.

[trustyside-kick]

This is a very interesting match up. I will have to see other people's reasoning behind their vote before I can decide.

Nice job choosing this one. :up:

[kytrigger]

Taskmaster

[Bastila]

DareDevil.

[Sparta*]

2 - 1 for Taskmaster so far

[Parker]

Tough call, but I have to be realistic. Taskmaster.

[Silicon Surfer]

Taskmaster. His ability to anticipate his opponents moves is a huge advantage against someone who depends only on skill.

[trustyside-kick]

Hmm...I understand Taskmaster's abilities and the part where he would anticipate DD's next move but I think DD's other superhero senses would help him a lot as well. I can't decide still lol.

[Silicon Surfer]

DDs extra senses may help much of the time but they wouldn' tell him anything useful in a face to face brawl.

[1987olds442]

My vote is for the Taskmaster.

But I have to ask a silly question, is Daredevil falling to his death or did he learn to fly in that picture. :woot:

[LongDong]

DDs extra senses may help much of the time they wouldn' tell him anything useful in a face to face brawl.

Wrong wrong wrong. DD's "other" abilities allow him to be able to dodge bullets and know where a strike is headed. He can "hear" your muscles tightening when you squeeze a trigger, can hear the fabric in your clothing wrinkle. Taskmaster would go down, and go down hard just like he always does.

Sure he (Taskmaster) has the ability to mimick anyones fighting style and remember their moves but against someone as widly trained as DD, he would be in some trouble. DD could switch up fighting styles in a heartbeat and put this chump down. Maybe after they have fought 9 or 10 times Taskmaster would know enough to copycat DD, however the first several times he would be slapped around like *****.

Keep in mind there is NOBODY who trains harder in the Marvel Universe than Daredevil. Gymnastics, Boxing and many forms of martial arts are at his disposal top that off with his sensory abilities and his stregth, he is one tough guy. DD is a scrapper who has taken on many armed ninjas at the same time and come out on top.

Taskmaster would be beaten, and beaten soundly.

[Mistress Gluon]

You kind of make it sound like Taskmaster relies ONLY on his ability to replicate another's moves. Which is really not true, as he trains tons, was part of Hydra as a top trainer for all THEIR special agents, and could've taken down Cap in a hand to hand fight had Cap not known about the Taskmaster's special ability.

He didn't get those muscles and reputations from beating up street thugs.

[trustyside-kick]

My mind is made up and I am voting for Daredevil. I was wondering and thinking about a lot of the things LongDong said before he posted it but wasn't completely sure about some. I don't think it would an easy match at all though. It would be long and hard.

[LongDong]

DD would know as soon as Taskmaster had thought of making a move, he can hear his heartbeat, he can hear his muscles tense, he can do so much more than TM and that gives him an edge.

[LongDong]

You kind of make it sound like Taskmaster relies ONLY on his ability to replicate another's moves. Which is really not true, as he trains tons, was part of Hydra as a top trainer for all THEIR special agents, and could've taken down Cap in a hand to hand fight had Cap not known about the Taskmaster's special ability.

He didn't get those muscles and reputations from beating up street thugs.

We are talking about lackey's and henchmen, so what. Not like he trains anyone of substance. Sure he trained USAgent (booooring) Jessica Drew and Diamondback but they are B-listers at best.

Taskmaster is overrated. He also was recently beaten by a crippled Moon Knight.

[Silicon Surfer]

Taskmaster has been studying DD for years and knows him inside and out. Tasky undoubedly knows DD better than DD knows himself. He has every skill that DD has and much more besides. Skills that DD spends months mastering Tasky can learn from watching him when he is out for a single night.

[Mistress Gluon]

Actually, we're talking about anybody from Hydra that they consider good for his level of training. Which is why we see him training one student at a time. Unless Hydra has some form of time dialation device, and can spend years and years and years and years in training, without ever aging Taskmaster or the lackeys that he would have to train.

And TM is not really all that overrated, if anything, I find DD overrated sometimes.

And Jessica Drew is actually considered fairly good in hand to hand, where Taskmaster is leagues and leagues above her. As well as training Agent X and Spymaster, both of which are extremely good with hand to hand combat. Keeping in mind TM actually already HAS DD's style memorized, as well as Cap's, Elektra's, the Punisher's, etc. And even uses some of their weapons as well as they do.

[Silicon Surfer]

Jessica Drew may be a B-lister in popularity but not in ability. She is indeed fairly good in hand to hand but it is her skill at stealth that makes her formiddable. She is one of only two people that Fury has said that he is truly afraid of. The other being the Black Widow. They are the only individuals ever to penetrate the security of the helicarrier while it is in flight and make it all the way to Furys office and sneak up on him there.

[3dman27]

:daredevil:

[CrypticOne]

I see Taskmaster winning this one.

[Paloogin]

I'll go for Daredevil, because I think he's pretty much one of the best hand to hand fighters in the MU. Mimicking or no mimicking, anyone who is going hand to hand without weapons with Murdock is pretty much going down.

[Anubis]

Tasky.

[Sloth7d]

DD takes this after a tough battle. I agree with everything LongDong saids, with exeption of it being an easy fight.

[incubat]

tough one, but in the end i think daredevil takes it

[BatGuy63]

Taskmaster

[The Leaguer]

Taskmaster.

[XwolverineX]

Taskmaster

[Andykin]

Long hard battle, which in the comics would end with taskmaster escapeing (like allways) It's hard to argeue with DD's sences, but this battle is more like DD vs. DD, Electra, Cap, Punisher, Bullseye, ect, ect, all rolled in to one. As I see it, DD would be able to antisapate TM's moves and vice-versa. So I'm thinking stalemate to be honest, although, I think Taskmaster would have a slight (however so small) edge

so Taskmaster for me even though I think deadlock

[Colossal Spoons]

Taskmaster has been studying DD for years and knows him inside and out. Tasky undoubedly knows DD better than DD knows himself. He has every skill that DD has and much more besides. Skills that DD spends months mastering Tasky can learn from watching him when he is out for a single night.

Agreed. All the DD voters need to read Taskmaster's mini; and those who have should read it again. TM got the upper hand on Ironman...freaking Ironman! He mimicked Wolverine, DD, and Cap in the process. Taskmaster getting beaten by a crippled Moon Knight was just bad writing IMO.

I vote Taskmaster

[Ockham]

Taskmaster, after some struggle.

[Colossal Spoons]

BTW, I wish this were Taskmaster w/ the blue hoody and that cool light-generator weapon instead of skull mask and sword TM.

[The Comic Man]

Taskmaster for me :)

[Toby_Temple]

I'm voting for Daredevil. Taskmaster can copy DD's movements but what could that do if DD can predict his every move? The fight will end up with Taskmaster taking more hits than DD. It will be a long hard bout but DD takes this.

[Silicon Surfer]

Enhanced senses do not give predictive ability. Knowing that a part of the body is going to do something does not tell him what it is going to do. In addition hearing does not tell when a muscle or other body part is going to do something. Even DD has never had that kind of sensory power. He has been able to follow heartbeats and that is all. Taskmaster would not even have to take the fight seriously.

[Toby_Temple]

Yes, it can. Its just like hearing a trigger being pulled. That is why DD could dodge bullets, more likely gun points. And that is also why he can fight someone like Punisher and win. Regardless on how fast TM can move his hands and feet, sound always moves faster. As for strength, both are above athlete level, so TM nor DD have the advantage there. As for skills, TM can copy any fighting style that is possible for humans while DD has superb senses. I can't see any reason for photgraphic combat memory having an edge over radar-like senses.

[Colossal Spoons]

Taskmaster was able to copy Spidey's movements for a few minutes before it took it's toll on him. No way is DD fast enough to react to all of Spidey's movements; the guy reacts quick as heck.

[LongDong]

Enhanced senses do not give predictive ability. Knowing that a part of the body is going to do something does not tell him what it is going to do. In addition hearing does not tell when a muscle or other body part is going to do something. Even DD has never had that kind of sensory power. He has been able to follow heartbeats and that is all. Taskmaster would not even have to take the fight seriously.

You have not read much DD then.

[Toby_Temple]

Taskmaster was able to copy Spidey's movements for a few minutes before it took it's toll on him. No way is DD fast enough to react to all of Spidey's movements; the guy reacts quick as heck.

Movements, yes, but not the speed itself. Doing acrobatic stunts are humanly possible. But Taskmaster was not able to copy the speed of Spidey's movements. So no, doing Spidey movements would be a mistake for Taskmaster coz he won't be as fast as Spidey doing it. And DD could anticipate the movements of a terribly slow Spiderman effectively.

[kytrigger]

Movements, yes, but not the speed itself. Doing acrobatic stunts are humanly possible. But Taskmaster was not able to copy the speed of Spidey's movements. So no, doing Spidey movements would be a mistake for Taskmaster coz he won't be as fast as Spidey doing it. And DD could anticipate the movements of a terribly slow Spiderman effectively.

I thought he could copy speed though. I thought he can even watch things in fast forward and do the moves that speed, but only for a short time before he gets too tired.

[Toby_Temple]

I thought he could copy speed though. I thought he can even watch things in fast forward and do the moves that speed, but only for a short time before he gets too tired.

If TM is as fast as those people or if they are slower, then he can copy their movements and even execute them at the same speed or faster. But if the person moves in speed that is beyond the capabilities of TM's body then he won't be able to move as fast. So even if he watches a video of Quicksilver running at 200 mph and sees him running, TM will not be able to run that fast no matter how hard he tries copying Quicksilver's footwork or running form.

[Silicon Surfer]

Marvel.com confirms that Tasky has watched kung fu movies at fast forward in order to be able to fight at faster than normal speed.

[Toby_Temple]

Marvel.com also stated this:

"Taskmaster possesses photographic reflexes, which enables him to watch another person’s physical movements and duplicate them without practice, no matter how complex. This ability is only limited by the fact that he does not possess superhuman strength or other superhuman attributes."

from:www.marvel.com/universe/Taskmaster

[LadyMoira]

Marvel.com also stated this:

"Taskmaster possesses photographic reflexes, which enables him to watch another person’s physical movements and duplicate them without practice, no matter how complex. This ability is only limited by the fact that he does not possess superhuman strength or other superhuman attributes."

from:www.marvel.com/universe/Taskmaster (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Taskmaster)

Thanks for that clarification..however Daredevil doesn't possess any real superhuman abilities except his extraordinary senses so while I like Matt better I stand by my ruling that TM would win this one.

[bkhedr]

Taskmaster

[sojazu]

Daredevil

[Colossal Spoons]

Marvel.com confirms that Tasky has watched kung fu movies at fast forward in order to be able to fight at faster than normal speed.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1934/tm1ds6.png
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9333/tm2kt6.png

[XwolverineX]

Is this battle still going? Wow.

[Colossal Spoons]

This is a good one, I like it. :D

[trustyside-kick]

That just proves what Toby_Temple has been saying though. He can only do things like that if his body allows it. So with people saying he could use Spidey's agility and such to make it harder for DD isn't true then. He could perform the same moves but not in the same manner.

[Colossal Spoons]

Right, I agree he can't move as fast as Spidey but 2x normal human is still pretty damn fast. I dunno the extent of DD's dodging capabilities though.

[trustyside-kick]

Well with DD's hightened senses wouldn't that also make him at a good speed too? Also, notice how Taskmaster talks about risking to shatter his bone and what not. If he was going that fast and DD was able to dodge him or something he could end up hitting like a wall or something.

Just a lil scenario cause I mean knowing DD's dodging abilities you think Taskmaster would risk going twice as fast?

[kytrigger]

Well with DD's hightened senses wouldn't that also make him at a good speed too? Also, notice how Taskmaster talks about risking to shatter his bone and what not. If he was going that fast and DD was able to dodge him or something he could end up hitting like a wall or something.

Just a lil scenario cause I mean knowing DD's dodging abilities you think Taskmaster would risk going twice as fast?

I think he would if it came down to it. I mena Taskmaster is very very skilled, the chance of him missing and hitting a wall instead aren't that high when he knows that hitting it will shatter his arm. I vote Taskmaster because of his ability to completely change up fighting styles on DD on a whim, making him much harder to predict. That nad he'll probably go into battle with a gog whistle and cripple Mattt with it...at least that's what I'd do.

[trustyside-kick]

Well just going twice as fast he risks shattering a bone he says and other side-effects. But you brought up a good point...he would probably being a gog whistle to hurt Matt...

[LongDong]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1934/tm1ds6.png
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9333/tm2kt6.png

Someone was commenting earlier on bad writing. This takes the cake.

[Sloth7d]

So now Taskmaster has powers instead of it being natural ability?!
I say, O_o

[Anubis]

It's only considered bad writing when it doesn't fit into your views on things. Personally, I think it's Bad-Ass writing.

[trustyside-kick]

It's only considered bad writing when it doesn't fit into your views on things. Personally, I think it's Bad-Ass writing.

Yea, I even voted for Daredevil and I think that is bad-ass writing. Now if he could go twice as fast without side-effects/disadvantages then I would say it is bad writing. But it isn't IMO.

[LongDong]

It's only considered bad writing when it doesn't fit into your views on things. Personally, I think it's Bad-Ass writing.

Ass bad writing ;)

[Silicon Surfer]

Psychology has noted a phenomenon called time dilation in which, under hypnosis, a person relives an event at an accelerated speed. They also have been noted as making the same physical moves they originally did at an accelerated rate. Presumably this still is not a superhuman rate but it means that Taskys feat is not that big of a stretch from reality. Certainly not as much as DDs enhances senses without the physical structures that would be required in the real world.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's only considered bad writing when it doesn't fit into your views on things. Personally, I think it's Bad-Ass writing.

And an even more bad ass mini too :D

Agent X and TM need their own book, pronto!

[Anubis]

It's a f**king superhero comic book. If you can't suspend your disbelief then you should stick to reading the telephone book.

[Vanguard07]

It's a f**king superhero comic book. If you can't suspend your disbelief then you should stick to reading the telephone book.

LoL beautiful my man. Sig worthy.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

I'm gonna go with TM for his versatility.

[sojazu]

Daredevil

[Venom.Symbiote]

Although I like Daredevil, I think Taskmaster has too much versatility. Daredevil wouldn't know who he was going to mimic and when. It would be a long fight but I think Tasky would come out on top. :venom:

[trustyside-kick]

Wow I'm surprised this round hasn't ended and a new one hasn't started. Great round, just saying though. :P

[Colossal Spoons]

Sparta's probably busy Sshrug:

[LongDong]

It's a f**king superhero comic book. If you can't suspend your disbelief then you should stick to reading the telephone book.
What he meant (I believe) was that some of these writers never stick within their previously created rules for that universe. They constantly change things up even if in an absurd way (Taskmaster being able to mimick super speed for one).

Some of us like continuity and do not like to be written to like we are 12. That is all I think he was trying to say.

[Vanguard07]

bump... Lets get another match going shall we?

[Toby_Temple]

*raises right hand* ^_^ i have a suggestion!

ghost rider vs ultron...........

or

blackheart vs annihilus

[Silicon Surfer]

Somebody ought to 'jack Spartas thread if he isn't going to be responsible enough to take care of it. My suggestions for battles are Blastaar vs Holocaust and Scalphunter vs Punisher in the Morlock tunnels.

[Vanguard07]

Well ... i'll post one if you guys want me to. But it IS Sparta's thread so i'm not gonna do it unless at least a couple people say so first.
LoL it just wouldnt feel right.

[Silicon Surfer]

Since his last match was posted 16 days ago and the thread went about 8 days without a post at all I say go for it. Sparta has either begun to lose interest or is seriously occupied. You can always give it back later.

[Sloth7d]

Go for it.

[incubat]

ok by me

[Vanguard07]

Okay.... I guess i'll take over till Sparta comes back.
Next match in a little bit.

[Vanguard07]

As per request

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/Vanguard07/Ultron.jpg
Ultron

Vs

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Ghost Rider
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[Silicon Surfer]

I don't think that Ghosty has a single power that would affect Ultron. However Ghosty is fast and durable. I think that Ultron would take the win with a little work.

[Sloth7d]

Ultron

[Sparta*]

I'm still here guys, i've just been busy with a ton of stuff. It was my 21st birthday a little bit ago so the last little while has been a drunken blur for me :p ;)

I'll post a new match-up in a bit...

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Happy Birthday mate (for about 2 weeks ago) :up:

Sounds like you had a good time. :woot:

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


MR. FANTASTIC & WOLVERINE
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CAPTAIN AMERICA & SPIDER-MAN
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[Sparta*]

Happy Birthday mate (for about 2 weeks ago) :up:

Sounds like you had a good time. :woot:

Thanks :D

I had a great time...i'm still recovering :p

[Sloth7d]

Cap and Spidey FTW!!!!!
Mr.Fantastics durability makes this close though.

[Silicon Surfer]

Since Spidey has taken on the entire FF by himself I think that he could take Reed and Wolvie by himself. Add in Caps minor assistance and their victory should be a sure thing.

[bkhedr]

Cap and Spidey

[Paloogin]

A welcome return to Sparta! You were missed big guy!

And I have to say it's Cap and Spidey all the way, for the self same reason Silicon Surfer proclaimed.

[theoneandonly]

cap and spidy

although wolverines healing factor would be hard to come by

[bkhedr]

Cap crushes his windpipe and he's out of the fight at least long enough for them to take out Reed.

[3dman27]

CAPTAIN AMERICA & SPIDER-MAN
[IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/CaptainAmerica.jpghttp://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Spiderman.jpg
winghead&webhead:star::spidey:
in the prievious match ultron:ninja:

[Ahura Mazda]

Cap & Spidey

[Zoken]

I REALLY hate saying this, but I think Mr. Fantastic and Wolverine would take this. Spidey and Cap are great fighters, but they would have to find someway of hitting Mr. Fantastic that would actually hurt him. they can temporarily immobilize Wolverine, but Reed can just bring him back into the fight.

[CanaryFan]

cap and spidey

[LadyMoira]

Sadly while I would really prefer for Cap and Spidey to win, I think Reed and Wolverine would take this fight.

[Sloth7d]

I REALLY hate saying this, but I think Mr. Fantastic and Wolverine would take this. Spidey and Cap are great fighters, but they would have to find someway of hitting Mr. Fantastic that would actually hurt him. they can temporarily immobilize Wolverine, but Reed can just bring him back into the fight.
Spidermans defeated Sandman and hydroman before. And do you remember how Spidergirl (someone weaker than her father) defeated Mr.Abnormal? Cap and Spidey can take this.

[Colossal Spoons]

Reed and Wolverine

If Reed had been replaced with the Hulk, it would have been the top 4 Marvel cash-cow whores :(

[CrypticOne]

Amazing match! Very tough decision for me, but I'm going to have to go with Spidey and the Captain.

[Bastila]

Capt and Sidey.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

I think Cap and Spidey will work better as a team.

[1987olds442]

Captain America & Spider-man

[White_Howling]

Cap & Spidey

[White_Howling]

double

[JeanGrey[GR]]

captain america & spidey

[hippy fascist]

wolverine & reed

imagine a wolverine/reed fastball special!!!!!!!!!! :word:

[Midnight Ice]

Cap and Spidey:xmen:

[incubat]

captain and spidey, allthough it would be a very close call. but i've seen spidey take out the fantastic four when he was just beginning, so it wouldn't be that hard for him taking one of them out. wolverine would make this one tough, but it wouldn't be that hard for cap and spidey taking him out together. cap is very underestimated

[Toby_Temple]

Without prep-time, CAP and SPIDEY will definitely win. Spiderman can immobilize Mr. Fantastic for sometime with his web then he and Cap would take Wolverine out. Then Mr. Fantastic will have to deal with Cap and Spiderman and will get owned.

[Vanguard07]

Cap and Spiderman. Hell Spiderman could probably pull it off on his own.

Reed would be tricky to take down but Pete could manage it eventually. Probably by webbing the crap out of Reed's face to asphyxiate him. Yes he can stretch and all but when the webbing is adhered to the entire surface of his face it could pose some problems for him.
Logan, Pete could just pin down with webbing or knock something heavy over onto him. Or Asphyxiate him too.

and Cap'd make an awesome decoy/moral support.

[LongDong]

When Spider-Man "took out" the FF like a few of you have said, the FF were not really fighting back like they would in an all out brawl.

That being said, Wolverine would beat Cap, Reed would beat Cap as well. However Spider-Man would beat Wolverine and I honestly have no clue if he would be able to beat Reed if Reed really wanted to win his fight.

I am thinking this matchup would be close but due to the fact that I am not so sure Spider-Man could beat Reed Richards, I am casting my vote for Wolverine and Mr Fantastic

[Sloth7d]

Well, Spidergirl defeated Mr.Abnormal. And shes a weaker version of Spiderman, while he is a more powerful version of Mr.Fantastic.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mrabnormal1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mrabnormal.htm&h=285&w=324&sz=29&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=KmZI7nBwTOFdGM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmr.abnormal%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26 lr%3D

[Vanguard07]

Well, Spidergirl defeated Mr.Abnormal. And shes a weaker version of Spiderman, while he is a more powerful version of Mr.Fantastic.
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Umm... How do figure that exactly? He was clearly more vulnerable to physical attacks than Reed is.
Also do you really think Reed would tie himself up trying to attack Spiderman?

[Knives122]

Cap and Spidey for me.

[Sloth7d]

Umm... How do figure that exactly? He was clearly more vulnerable to physical attacks than Reed is.
Also do you really think Reed would tie himself up trying to attack Spiderman?
He's only more vulnerable when his necks extended, other than that his capabilities are much higher. But this was just a loose reference to show that Spiderman could take on strecho and that he has a good shot at winning.

[Darth Hyperion]

It seems to me that Captain America is really being underestimated here. I know I'm probably gonna get shot for this but i honestly believe that Cap can take out Wolverine one on one. IMO Cap is the best tactician out of all of them, that combined with Spidey's abilities make them one hell of a combination. A combination that i don't believe Logan and Reed can deal with.

Winners- Captian America and Spider-Man

[Darth Hyperion]

It seems to me that Captain America is really being underestimated here. I know I'm probably gonna get shot for this but i honestly believe that Cap can take out Wolverine one on one. IMO Cap is the best tactician out of all of them, that combined with Spidey's abilities make them one hell of a combination. A combination that i don't believe Logan and Reed can deal with.

Winners- Captian America and Spider-Man

[incubat]

i'm not going to shoot you because of that, in fact, i support your comment

[The Leaguer]

Wolverine always loses.

[incubat]

no he doesn't

[Sloth7d]

Also, couldn't Spiderman just impale Reed with the stingers if push comes to shove?

[BrolyKnight]

Also, couldn't Spiderman just impale Reed with the stingers if push comes to shove?

reed cant be cut or punctured as long as he accomidates for the pressure being applied to his skin and example of this occured when wolverine took on the ff when he was brainwashed by the hand, reed made himself into a bubble and trapped wolvy inside. wolverine couldnt cut his way out. now imagine if he did that to cap or spiderman both of them would be helpless, reed also took a full power beam from cyke and was ok neither spiderman or cap can do the same. people forget the most of the time wolverine plays for keeps he would aim to kill both cap and spiderman while neither one of them would do the same and the fact they are holdin back will cause them to lose

[Sloth7d]

I don't see Reed being able to catch Spiderman like he did Wolverine though.

[BrolyKnight]

I don't see Reed being able to catch Spiderman like he did Wolverine though.
spiderman has been caught by people who r slower and with less ability(doc oct, punisher, and the list goes on.) also reed isnt any run of the mill superhero he has experience far beyond spidey so catchin him shouldnt be too big of a problem and once hes caught its over, and then he could the 40hr fight between cap and wolvy

[Sloth7d]

If you read more thoughroly(sp?) you would know Doc Ock and others only catch Spiderman when he's distracted by something(usually civillians in danger). Otherwise Mr.Fantastic would never capture him, unless he diverted his attention with something big.
And "experiencing" far beyond Spidey and catching villains faster than Spidey are two different things.

[BrolyKnight]

If you read more thoughroly(sp?) you would know Doc Ock and others only catch Spiderman when he's distracted by something(usually civillians in danger). Otherwise Mr.Fantastic would never capture him, unless he diverted his attention with something big.
And "experiencing" far beyond Spidey and catching villains faster than Spidey are two different things.
so u mean to tell me that 100% of the time spiderman is caught by a villian its beacuse hes distracted? in spiderman civil war he was caught by ironman and he wasnt distracted there . so thing s like this never happen?http://www.universomarvel.com/bajolamascara/galeria/images2/spiderman-captstacey-tpb.jpghttp://www.universomarvel.com/bajolamascara/galeria/images1/ultimatesix06.jpg

[Sloth7d]

Out of context. Neither Kraven or Doc Ock can catch Spiderman if he doesn't want capturing to be an option. Kravens best and only way of doing so is an ambush or either gas bombs.

[The Leaguer]

no he doesn't
Yeah he does.

[Silicon Surfer]

Reed is vulnerable to being overstretched. By concentrating on a small area and rapidly and repeatedly stretching that area he could injure Reed.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Reed and Logan ... Reed is like McGyver.
And Logan have that über-PIS-regenerction.
And he beat Thanos once.

[Ockham]

There are four possible sub-matches. Three of those would end like this:
Reed vs. Cap: Reed
Wolvie vs. Cap: uncertain, but it would take quite some time in any case
Wolvie vs. Spidey: Spidey.

So the deciding match would be fought between Reed and Peter. This would not be easy for either of them, but in the end Spidey is physically stronger and faster. He could hold Mr. F. down with his webs just long enough to get close and e.g. grab & stretch Reed's head until he passes out. Winner: Spider-Man, and therefore:

Vote: Cap and Spider-Man

[Ockham]

And Logan have that über-PIS-regenerction.
And he beat Thanos once.

Sorry about an off-topic post... But when did that happen? Are you sure you're not confusing Wolverine with a certain other hairy animal-associated mutant with a kick-ass jobber aura?

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Sorry about an off-topic post... But when did that happen? Are you sure you're not confusing Wolverine with a certain other hairy animal-associated mutant with a kick-ass jobber aura?

Nope. While I've only heard things of him 'beating' Thanos, it's written in stone now that Logan can regenerate from a pile of Adamantium-plated bones with the only aftereffect being a 'burnout'.

[X_fan08]

wolverine & reed

imagine a wolverine/reed fastball special!!!!!!!!!! :word:

agreed

[The Moon Knight]

agreed

I second that agreement.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Mr Richards and Wolvie easily. both are nigh-on invunerable.

[Toby_Temple]

Nope. While I've only heard things of him 'beating' Thanos, it's written in stone now that Logan can regenerate from a pile of Adamantium-plated bones with the only aftereffect being a 'burnout'.

Can you post some evidence coz I find your claims to be absurd. Sorry.

[Silicon Surfer]

Reed could not do a fastball special, he doesn't have the strength. His strength is only that of a normal middle aged man. He could use his body as a slingshot but that would be easy to dodge.

[Sloth7d]

Hey!!!!
If any of you guys have extra time
vote in my versus topic too, please.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254768

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Can you post some evidence coz I find your claims to be absurd. Sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitro_(comics)
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/739/739356/img_4025336.html

And in lighthearted jab, 'welcome to yesterday'. :woot:

[Midnight Ice]

lets not forget that Cap is the one who took out Wolverine in "Enemy of the State" and that Wolverine had no regard for anyone's life.:xmen:

[Toby_Temple]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitro_(comics)
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/739/739356/img_4025336.html

And in lighthearted jab, 'welcome to yesterday'. :woot:


Your nitro link does not work. So far the evidence for his regeneration powers are quite compelling, but I don't see any evidence that Wolverine can take Thanos alone.

[Sparta*]

Captain America and Spider-man win!

Next match-up shortly...

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


SILVER SABLE
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/SilverSable.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


ELEKTRA
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Elektra.jpg

[Silicon Surfer]

Electra

[bkhedr]

cool match up

Elektra

[Sparta*]

cool match up

Elektra

All I know is that I want a mud pit involved in this fight at some point :oldrazz:

[Ahura Mazda]

Who cares which one would win....it is the development of a oil wrestling match which would be interesting :o ;) :p

Elektra

[3dman27]

silver

[CanaryFan]

Could go either way but I'll vote Sable.

[Sloth7d]

This is too close to call. But Elektra is more popular by me. So I vote for her.

[LadyMoira]

Electra-but this would be a close one...and a VERY popular match with the fanboys if you held it in the kind of pouring rain that makes costumes stick...

[1987olds442]

Silver Sable

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Elektra.

[Paloogin]

I think in a fight between these two, the winner would undoubtedly be anyone who was watching!

I think overall I'd have to go for Elektra, although it would be a lot closer than the current pro-Elektra tally indicates.

[Bastila]

Elektra

[Bastila]

Elektra