Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[bkhedr]

Shriek

[LadyMoira]

Shriek. She could take out Mary from a distance before TM has a chance to put the blaze on her.

[Crimson_L]

Shriek.

[CrypticOne]

I see Shriek winning this one.

[r8hitman]

I want to comment on the previous battle...

IMO Surtur is on a TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVEL than Thanos.

Yes, both are really powerful beings but Thanos' power is on a cosmic level, while Surtur's power is on a "godly" level.

My vote is for Surtur.

Some cosmic beings (like Galactus for instance) are on that power level with Surtur, but Thanos needs to stick to people like Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock.:cwink:

[Venom.Symbiote]

I named one of my characters in City of Heros after her because I thought she was such a cool character. In this fight, distance is the key factor so my vote goes for Shriek. :venom:

[Sparta*]

I'll vote for Typhoid Mary bringing the current tally to 8-3 for Shriek

I want to comment on the previous battle...



IMO Surtur is on a TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVEL than Thanos.



Yes, both are really powerful beings but Thanos' power is on a cosmic level, while Surtur's power is on a "godly" level.



My vote is for Surtur.



Some cosmic beings (like Galactus for instance) are on that power level with Surtur, but Thanos needs to stick to people like Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock.

I am well aware of that...but when you are running a vs thread there are more things to consider then just that.....look at how many people voted for Thanos!

[Exploding Boy]

Doesnt Mary have tk? :huh:

[Genesis 1.0]

I'll vote for Typhoid Mary bringing the current tally to 8-3 for Shriek



I am well aware of that...but when you are running a vs thread there are more things to consider then just that.....look at how many people voted for Thanos!

Chalk that up to one of three things:

1.) Ignorance

2.) Fanboy Loyalty

3.) A nasty acid trip

But as you said, this is a Versus thread and worse things have almost happened.

[Sparta*]

Yeah, but I still enjoy what I do :up: :D

Only 11 votes so far..........

[kytrigger]

Yeah, but I still enjoy what I do :up: :D

Only 11 votes so far..........

And remember if a match is ever completely filled with biased, uninformed votes and you get angry, just go over and look at the IGN AMrvel tournament and youwill feel better knowing yours was never that bad.

Also I vote for Shriek

[Paloogin]

I'll vote for Typhoid Mary, cos I don't know anything about the other one, I have all the Typhoid Mary appearances in triplicate, and the small purple dragon on my TV is telling me to.

Yay for Typhoid!

[Sparta*]

And remember if a match is ever completely filled with biased, uninformed votes and you get angry, just go over and look at the IGN AMrvel tournament and youwill feel better knowing yours was never that bad.

Also I vote for Shriek

:) :D Thanks

[incubat]

shriek

[Genesis 1.0]

Well not exactly two of your more popular or personally, interesting characters this time around.

[Ahura Mazda]

Shriek

[r8hitman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparta*
I'll vote for Typhoid Mary bringing the current tally to 8-3 for Shriek



I am well aware of that...but when you are running a vs thread there are more things to consider then just that.....look at how many people voted for Thanos!


Chalk that up to one of three things:

1.) Ignorance

2.) Fanboy Loyalty

3.) A nasty acid trip





That was my point.

If the combatants are not in the same league, the 'fight' will be a massacre.

Nobody wants to see Lennox Lewis beat up Pee Wee Herman.:cwink:

[Sparta*]

That was my point.

If the combatants are not in the same league, the 'fight' will be a massacre.

Nobody wants to see Lennox Lewis beat up Pee Wee Herman.:cwink:

That's not really true though...Thanos and Surtur are not in the same league, but Thanos still got a lot of votes...and the end result was far from a massacre.

Well not exactly two of your more popular or personally, interesting characters this time around.

I try and use everyone from the Marvel universe...even the more......obscure characters :p

[K4tzm4n]

Has anyone suggested Iron Fist v Daredevil? Or something along those lines that would result in a great melee?

[Silicon Surfer]

How about Modok vs the Leader in 3d chess or Empath vs Starfox to see which one walks away with the only waitress at a diner.

[explode7]

Spiderman VS Iron Man.

[Iceman]

If that match is still going on I'll go with Shriek.

[Sparta*]

How about Modok vs the Leader in 3d chess or Empath vs Starfox to see which one walks away with the only waitress at a diner.

I'll scan a MODOK card and post that match-up for you soon :up:

Has anyone suggested Iron Fist v Daredevil? Or something along those lines that would result in a great melee?

I think I had that match-up a long time ago. Irregardless, keep your eyes open for it to come up within the next few days :up:

Shriek wins this match-up with a final tally of 11 - 4 (only 15 votes?! :wow:)

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


THE PHALANX
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Phalanx.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


MOLECULE MAN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/MoleculeMan.jpg

[Sparta*]

I honestly have no idea how this match-up will go lol I don't even know if it's even or not haha Sorry for the weird match-up guys!! :p

[Spade]

My vote's for Molecule Man. Even after retcons and what have you, Phalanx is still beneath him.

[Silicon Surfer]

Molecule Man.

[Bnightwing]

symbiote spiderman vs carage spiderman

[1987olds442]

Molecule Man

[K4tzm4n]

Molecule

[Genesis 1.0]

The Phalanx is a very tough and most importantly, adapatable opponent. While I'd definitely leave the deuce for that and intelligence there, Molecule Man is simply.....above it. It's last a while only if he decides to have some fun.

Molecule Man

[torkibe]

Double post

[torkibe]

Molecule man - faster than I could type this.

[Hellstormer]

Molecule Man

[Sloth7d]

I'll be the only to vote phalanx then.

[Iceman]

I think the Phalanx has an outside chance with it's ability to continually adapt and predict its opponent.

[torkibe]

I think the Phalanx has an outside chance with it's ability to continually adapt and predict its opponent.

That only works against an opponet he would have time to adapt to. Owen would erase him with a thought.

[PaleRider]

Molecule Man

[psycho]

Molecule Man

[Bastila]

Molecule Man

[Anubis]

Molecule Man

[CrypticOne]

My vote goes to Molecule Man.

[Vanguard07]

How about a Uni-powered Spiderman vs the Carnage Cosmic?

And in this one Owen Reece with a gesture.

[Sloth7d]

How about a Uni-powered Spiderman vs the Carnage Cosmic?

And in this one Owen Reece with a gesture.
I wish Carnage Cosmic had done more before the symbiote left SS. Infact, if it had did anything I would have been a liitle happier. It was still an good story none the less.

[Crimson_L]

Molecule Man.

[incubat]

molecule man

[KevanG]

Gotta give it to widdle Owie (Just reread the SW TPB again) lol, If the Phanalax got him when he was sleeping or something then it'd win but other wise :down

[Ahura Mazda]

Molecule Man easily given the extent of his powers

[Midnight Ice]

Molecule Man

[3dman27]

My vote goes to Molecule Man.
as does mine:ninja:

[LadyMoira]

Molecule Man...phalanx are just outclassed on this one.

[Toby_Temple]

Molecule Man. And don't need to explain! :p

[Paloogin]

Molecule Man, from a wee bit of research, seems to be one of those characters who has powers that can only be described as bloody ridiculous. So I jump on the bandwagon.

Molecule Man!

[Sparta*]

Alright, Molecule Man win's this match-up in a landslide victory!

The next match-up is a request from K4tzm4n (interesting username :p)

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg



IRON FIST
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/IronFist.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


D A R E D E V I L
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Daredevil3.jpg

[Sloth7d]

Ooooh ooohh, Good match!
Um..... I'll go with DD on this, but its a close one.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sorry but DD is not even close to Iron Fists league. Iron Fist easily.

[Spade]

I think Daredevil is a great character, but he's outclassed even if Iron Fist fails to use his signature punch. My vote's for Iron Fist.

[1987olds442]

Iron Fist

[Crimson_L]

Eh, I'll go with the man with out fear...

Daredevil.

[PaleRider]

iron Fist

[Vanguard07]

Danny F***ing Rand 100 times out of 100.

Matt is great and all but he's not in Fist's league at all. I mean in their latest encounter Rand nearly beat Daredevil AT BEING DAREDEVIL!!

[3dman27]

Sorry but DD is not even close to Iron Fists league. Iron Fist easily.
you heard the man

[Sparta*]

I agree with everyone who said Iron Fist :up: He get's my vote

[Artistsean]

I would say probably Iron Fist. He knows Daredevil's moves well enough to impersonate him and have almost no one know about it, Then there is his powerful punch. Thats something Daredevil doesn't have and probably couldn't stop.

The fight would be cool though, the reason would have to be complicated to have two great heroes fight without making one of them brainwashed or evil. Maybe it would have something to do with Matt being the new Kingpin.
Anyway, they would fight eachother without powers or weapons. Because they are boith so skilled the fight would move all around Hell's Kitchen. I imagin there would be lots of death defying stunts and moves. But in the end, as a last resort, and after both Matt and Danny are unmasked and totally worn and beaten by each other, Danny is forced to use his power fist. (but why would they fight?)

But now Danny must face his new problems: being the protector of Hell's kitchen, being the new Kingpin, and taking on Daredevil's enemies like Bullseye and Kingpin.

[The_Vision]

Iron Fist

[Paloogin]

I would have to say Iron Fist, although it is a fight that I would LOVE to see.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'd say this one would last a while given DD's amazing senses and agility, his only chance for this to last longer than a few minutes is to evade and try to use that pogo stick from a distance. Eventually, Rand's going to catch up to him and when he does, this ain't gonna be pretty.

Iron Fist

[Anubis]

Iron Fist.

[Colossal Spoons]

Iron Fist

[Sparta*]

Iron Fist wins this one!

Thanks to Ockham for the idea for the next match-up :up:

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


TOAD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Toad2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp



JUBILEE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Jubilee2.jpg

[Exploding Boy]

Jubilee should win

[Sparta*]

FYI: This is Jubilee circa early 90's

[Venom.Symbiote]

Since Jubilee isn't the most skilled mutant of all time, I think Toad would be able to dodge her blast just long enough to get in a punch or two and I really don't think Jube's can take a punch. Seeing how Toad would more than likely jump at her the punch would have the momentum from the jump behind it making it even harder. I gotta go with Toad. :venom:

[K4tzm4n]

I had no idea Iron Fist outclassed Daredevil so much...Sorry, the only knowledge I have of him is based on the recently started series...Why interesting name? lol. For this match...I believe Toad would be able to dodge Jubilee's blasts and get close enough to knock her out with a single punch....Can we see some Moon Knight action please: :)

[Sloth7d]

Jubilee had Sauron on the ropes before. Too many people underestimate her. Jubilee.

[Silicon Surfer]

Toad is no slouch in the combat department. He is more than humanly agile and can kick through a brick wall. Toad for a fast win.

[Ockham]

Jubilee. Haven't changed my mind since the other thread :woot:

[Venom.Symbiote]

Jubilee had Sauron on the ropes before. Too many people underestimate her. Jubilee.

I think that Sauron underestimated her more than any of us and that's why he was getting beat down. He isn't even close to being as agile as Toad though and it's his agility and quickness that would give him the edge here. It's like "Who'd win? Spidey or Jubilee and Nightcrawler or Jubilee?" Not saying that Toad is a match for Spidey (he could probably hold his own against Kurt) but it's the same idea. :venom:

[3dman27]

jubilation

[CanaryFan]

The Toad

[Bastila]

Jubilee

[Anubis]

Jubilee

[Crimson_L]

Jubilee.:huh:

[Paloogin]

I would say Toad. The fact that he is going against Jubilee is all the reasoning I need. Hell, I think I'd have an outside chance toe-to-toe with Jubilation.

[Sparta*]

I'll throw in a vote for Toad. I think with his enhanced reflexes he would be able to dodge Jubilee long enough to take advantage of an opening and spit a huge mucus ball on her face. Once she can't see, it's all over.

7 - 6 for Jubilee so far...

[PaleRider]

Toad

[KevanG]

I'd like to see a family vs family brawl... Summers/Grey vs Magnetos family... That would be a bit unbalanced as the summers/grey family has 20+ super powered members... Any ideas on who could take down the summers family?

[Artistsean]

Jubilee, at first I was going to say Toad because he is more adgile and acrobatic. Plus thats his style of fighting anyway, but Jubilee spent alot of time with Wolverine and probably was taught alot of fighting. Toad was with the Brotherhood and was Magneto's lacky, but he was never used as anything more than a lackey.
But I don't know much about either character.

[Vanguard07]

I'd like to see a family vs family brawl... Summers/Grey vs Magnetos family... That would be a bit unbalanced as the summers/grey family has 20+ super powered members... Any ideas on who could take down the summers family?

Off the top of my head? the Richards family.
Prof Richards ( Nathan i believe... the time traveler)
Reed, Franklin, Sue, Valeria...
Technically Kang, Immortus, Rama Tut. Arent they all the same person, Descended from Reed?

One problem though? Which side would David Richards fall under? For those of you who dont know he was an exhiles character, the son of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards. He alone could probably take the entirety of either side. If not both sides.

Edit: and oh yeah. I vote Toad on this one. Kick to the head beats pretty pretty lights in my book.

[Ockham]

One problem though? Which side would David Richards fall under? For those of you who dont know he was an exhiles character, the son of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards. He alone could probably take the entirety of either side. If not both sides.


Hyperstorm (Jonathan Richards) is another. Ray and Franklin get busy in the future...

[1987olds442]

Jubilee

[Vanguard07]

Hyperstorm (Jonathan Richards) is another. Ray and Franklin get busy in the future...

Oh Yeah....Well that makes it simpler actually. One side could have Jonothan and the other could have David.

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, I have no love for either of these characters. On the one hand, Toad has the potential to wrap this one up neatly if he can capitalize on his Speed and Agility....however, his severe case of idiocy usually ensures that his talents are never fully explored. As for Jubilation, even in the 90's she was a tough one, laughable ability, but tough. She has no enhancements however, especially in the Durability department so it's basically a teen getting punched by an adult in reality; not good.

Flip a coin and i'll give this one to Jubilee on the off chance she'll nail Toad and take advantage of his lack of intellect.

Jubilee

[The_Vision]

Jubilee

[Silicon Surfer]

Heh, I have no love for either of these characters. On the one hand, Toad has the potential to wrap this one up neatly if he can capitalize on his Speed and Agility....however, his severe case of idiocy usually ensures that his talents are never fully explored. As for Jubilation, even in the 90's she was a tough one, laughable ability, but tough. She has no enhancements however, especially in the Durability department so it's basically a teen getting punched by an adult in reality; not good.

Flip a coin and i'll give this one to Jubilee on the off chance she'll nail Toad and take advantage of his lack of intellect.

Jubilee

The Toad isn't stupid. He has above average intelligence and a fairly significant knowledge of advanced science from his time with Magneto and the Stranger. He is definately smarter than Jubilee. It's his personality that is deficient not his intellect.

[CrypticOne]

Toad gets my vote.

[Sparta*]

I'd like to see a family vs family brawl... Summers/Grey vs Magnetos family... That would be a bit unbalanced as the summers/grey family has 20+ super powered members... Any ideas on who could take down the summers family?

I had a match-up like that a while back. I believe it was Cable, Jean Grey, and Cyclops vs Magneto, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch (characters as they were in the early 90's)

[Genesis 1.0]

The Toad isn't stupid. He has above average intelligence and a fairly significant knowledge of advanced science from his time with Magneto and the Stranger. He is definately smarter than Jubilee. It's his personality that is deficient not his intellect.

Thor has super speed but how often is it used? Toad's stats on paper mean little in comparison to what he's shown and it resembles his namesake. Hell, with what you posted he wouldn't be the Stooge and all around kicking post he's potrayed as in the comics. THAT'S what I'm going by, not some 'What If' rationale.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Toads intelligence has been a dominant factor in several storylines in which the Toad has been the main villain all by himself. The Toad has proven able to rebuild and reprogram sentinels to serve him and has genetically altered himself to get increased powers.

[Sparta*]

11 - 9 is the final tally for Jubilee

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


SHE-HULK
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/SheHulk.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


DOC SAMSON
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/DocSamson2.jpg

[CrypticOne]

She-Hulk gets my vote.

[Silicon Surfer]

She-Hulk

[Anubis]

She-Hulk.

[Toby_Temple]

I'm voting for She-Hulk. I think she is tougher and stronger(not much though) compared to Doc. And it would be a hard and long fight. But if prep time was given, Doc would win hands down.

[PaleRider]

i hope this isn't a land slide victory cause I think Doc Samson could beat her given the right circumstance but out of 10 fights I see her winning 7 out of 10. So I vote She-Hulk

[Crimson_L]

I believe the female is the superior one here...

She-Hulk.

[1987olds442]

She-Hulk

[Artistsean]

She Hulk because she has more gamma radiation in her than Samson. His hair is green but her whole body is green. Plus her radiation came from the Hulk's blood.

[Sloth7d]

She Hulk gets stronger the madder she gets. Unlike the others exposed to gamma radiation Doc Samson does not. Though it used to be cool how he would become more powerful as his hair grew. Marvel shouldn't have abandoned his biblically influence powers, but owell. I vote She-Hulk.

[LadyMoira]

I say She-Hulk. She'd totally rip the hair off Samson.

[3dman27]

she -hulk

[Sloth7d]

I say She-Hulk. She'd totally rip the hair off Samson.
Well seeing as his hair no longer dictates the extent of his strenth I don't think that would matter.

[Iceman]

She-Hulk

[Vanguard07]

I'm gonna throw my vote to Samson.
I think he's be clever enough to manage it.

And btw I thought that with She-hulk the more frightened she got the stronger she got?
Isnt that what they determined in that rampaging she-hulk story arc in Avengers a while back?
I would think Samson would know that and his calming presence and psychiatric training would allow him to exploit it pretty handilly.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think the hair thing was cool about Doc. Now there really is no reason for his name. :(

[Anubis]

Yeah, Jen's whole thing is fear.

[Paloogin]

I vote for Doc Samson, cos I have to sail away from the tide

[KevanG]

I give it to the Doc. They both use thier brains and muscles but I think the Doc could take her, might take a while though.

[3dman27]

I think the hair thing was cool about Doc. Now there really is no reason for his name. :(
his real name is dr.leonard samson

[CanaryFan]

She Hulk

[CanaryFan]

...

[Genesis 1.0]

I too will throw in a vote for Doc Samson. He's more intelligent, along with his considerable strength and durability and is quite able when it comes to devising ways to victory, even on the run. While Jen's no idiot, I think she's more prone to hammer away since she knows she has the strength advantage, while Doc will work from the start knowing he has to overcome that factor. In addition, I'm not convinced She Hulk would become frightened in time to increase her strength, she's more likely to become angry (regular showings) and by the time she realized she should be afraid, it's too late.

Doc Samson

[Cyrusbales]

Doc Samson, comic book fights aren't always about the stregth, and I think Doc's strength would hold She Hulk long enough to execute his insanely intelligent plan :)

[Brainiac 8]

Doc Samson

[Ahura Mazda]

I am voting for Doc and I do not quite get dynamic factor with She Hulk.

What does that mean the more frightenned the stronger because rationally the stronger you get the less frightenned you should be :confused:

[Genesis 1.0]

That's the point, since she works in reverse of Hulk, she needs to fear death, defeat, serious injury, or a great phobia of her's in order to become strong enough to combat it.

[Ahura Mazda]

That's the point, since she works in reverse of Hulk, she needs to fear death, defeat, serious injury, or a great phobia of her's in order to become strong enough to combat it.


Yes but would it not be logical for that fear to be reduced as she does get stronger and for her to then grow weaker?

[Anubis]

While it is true that if she gets afraid, she will become stronger, the truth is, she doesn't need to. She's already waaaayyyy stronger than he is. Stronger than she's ever been after her recent battles with The Champion of the Universe (Who's ass she kicked.) and Skeeter. All she needs is a good couple of blows and it's lights out for the Doc. Unless he goes for a mental victory like breaking her down to a quivering, crying mess, with a few choice words from his super psycology mumbo jumbo. But I think Jen's smart enough to just sock him in the mouth before then.

[Ahura Mazda]

While it is true that if she gets afraid, she will become stronger, the truth is, she doesn't need to. She's already waaaayyyy stronger than he is. Stronger than she's ever been after her recent battles with The Champion of the Universe (Who's ass she kicked.) and Skeeter. All she needs is a good couple of blows and it's lights out for the Doc. Unless he goes for a mental victory like breaking her down to a quivering, crying mess, with a few choice words from his super psycology mumbo jumbo. But I think Jen's smart enough to just sock him in the mouth before then.


That was in continuity????

So what she is now stronger then the Hulk unless he is enraged :whatever:

[Anubis]

Well, if you rememeber, he didn't have the Power Gem, so he was at base level. Which, while still up there, wasn't exactly on Hulks, uber pissed level.

She also had three months of intense martial arts training, so that helped as well.

[Sloth7d]

So, basically She Hulk is uber strong now. Or was that just bad writing....? I hope its the former.

[Vanguard07]

To be fair Champion was at his weakest ever in that fight.
Not only was he no longer using the power gem but because he had been using the gem exclusively for so long he had forgotten how to access the power primordial which was his original power source.

Compared to normal, he was relatively powerless.

[Anubis]

But still a big threat. Samson wouldn't have stood a chance. Fact is, She-Hulk should now be in the 100 Class because of it, and is now a trained fighter.

And bad writing? That was Dan "f**king" Slott that wrote that.

[Sloth7d]

Great, then if I ever see She hulk get tossed around by Hercules like nothing again I get to fanboy rant for as many forum pages that I want.:d
But I think She hulk has been in 100 ton since she first appeared in comics. I remember her stating in one issue that she could lift 75 tons and probably more if she tried.

[Venom.Symbiote]

I don't think She-Hulk has been in the 100 ton range since her first appearance. The Marvel Handbook has her at 75 tons but says that with training her upper limit is unknown. I'm going to give this one to the green gamma goddess because I think she may use her feminine charms on Sampson and while it may not be enough to beat him, it may be enough to slow him down for a bit then she can bash his brains in. She used this method against Dragon Man in a comic once, I can't remember which but I'm pretty sure she was teamed up with Spidey at the time. :venom:

[Sparta*]

I guess I should have mentioned this before, but I thought most people remembered that the characters in the tourney are at their most commonly known power level unless otherwise stated. So, She-Hulk isn't at class 100 Hulk strength in this fight

[Silicon Surfer]

Even in the beginning her 75 ton strength was greater than Samsons 70 ton strength. In addition she went up to the 85 ton level before too long so she has always been stronger than Samson. Samson has also never been much success as a fighter, in fact I can't remember him ever winning a single fight.

[Vanguard07]

except you know, that time he knocked out the hulk. Or those fights he had in his recent mini.

[explode7]

Captain America VS Wolverine.

[Silicon Surfer]

except you know, that time he knocked out the hulk. Or those fights he had in his recent mini.


I never saw any of those. The only time I ever saw him go against the Hulk he lost badly.

[incubat]

she hulk

[Sparta*]

I'll throw in a vote for Doc Samson bringing the final tally to 14 - 8 for the She-Hulk!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


GAMBIT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Gambit3.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


GREEN GOBLIN (Harry)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/GreenGoblin2.jpg

[Spade]

Gambit, by far, has my vote.

[kytrigger]

Goblin. It would be hard for Gambit to even hit Goblin, and while Gambit is very agile, he is fighting someone who is used to Spider-man agility.

[CanaryFan]

Green Goblin

[Silicon Surfer]

Goblin

[Vanguard07]

GG. While Harry was never as experienced or formidable as big bad norman, he was still a serious threat to Spiderman and Gambit's nowhere near Spiderman's level.

Goblin's got a big advantage in range, mobility, durability, speed, strength, weaponry and his glider gives him the high ground.
barring extraordinary circumstances the high ground usually wins.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Gotta go with the Goblin. :venom:

[Sloth7d]

Gambit. If he really lets loose the Goblin doesn't stand a chance.

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, this is the usual 'Goblin Craze', I always get a good chuckle out of it.

Based on what you've seen here, you'd think Gambit would sit back munching on a fried swamp rat and wait to be nailed by a pumpkin bomb. Pffft. Harry as the Goblin is far below par with just about anyone that Gambit's faced. As to Harry's supposed agility, correction, his glider gives him that and the glider alone. While a very well built machine, it can be destroyed and has been many times over, in reality it's no more than a piece of flying machinery that the Danger Room probably simulates for first years at the Institute. Laughable.

Gambit's quite agile, intelligent, and fully capable of destroying the glider and once that's done, killing Harry in every sense of the word. He dodges alot more destuctive forces than orange grenades and from much more lethal opponents who don't tend to rely on airborne skateboards. He can charge damn near anything which leaves him with a nearly inexhaustible source of offense, unlike Harry.

Gambit, with ease.

[Bastila]

Gambit

[Genesis 1.0]

People really underestimate Gambit based on bias but the fact of the matter is that he used his kinetic powers to speed his healing process to recover from serious wounds in Assination Games, he's listed as superhumanly acrobatic, which just amplifies his already amazing agility we've seen in avoiding attacks, he's HIGHLY skilled hand to hand, and his cards have damaged everyone from Sabertooth to Gladiator, who he knocked UNCONCIOUS!

And the Green Goblin of all people, is supposed to beat him? Pathetic.

[Crimson_L]

BOOM!!! Gambit blows the Goblin to pieces...

Gambit.

[Exploding Boy]

Gambit, easily

[3dman27]

remy leBeau

[Sparta*]

This match-up turned quickly...7 - 5 is the current tally for Gambit.

[Toby_Temple]

Gambit. What GG can throw at Remy Remy can counter perfectly. GG has his bombs, Gambit has his cards and practically anything around him that he can throw. And Gambit is quite agile himself so dogding is not a problem.

[CanaryFan]

This match-up turned quickly for Gambit.

Yeah it's funny how one guy gives a rant about how good he thinks Gambit is and everyone jumps on the band wagon. Green Goblin challenges Spiderman who has his spider sense, super human reflexes, super human strength, The ability to jump ridiculously high and/or far, can stick to and climb walls, swing on his webs, and has at least twice the super human agility as Gambit if not more and all of a sudden everybody's saying Gambit with ease:huh: !

Goblin has flight, range and speed on his side plus his ultimate weapon, He's freakin nuts! I'm not saying Gambit would be an easy mark but I'm sticking with my vote for the Goblin.

[LadyMoira]

Harry could put up a decent fight, but I think Gambit could destroy the glider pretty quickly and then disable him after that. I'm going with Remy. Now Norman might have been a different story...the guy was a mad genius and truly vicious.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah it's funny how one guy gives a rant about how good he thinks Gambit is and everyone jumps on the band wagon.
Hey, I gave my vote before anyone said anything.:yay:

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah it's funny how one guy gives a rant about how good he thinks Gambit is and everyone jumps on the band wagon. Green Goblin challenges Spiderman who has his spider sense, super human reflexes, super human strength, The ability to jump ridiculously high and/or far, can stick to and climb walls, swing on his webs, and has at least twice the super human agility as Gambit if not more and all of a sudden everybody's saying Gambit with ease:huh: !

Goblin has flight, range and speed on his side plus his ultimate weapon, He's freakin nuts! I'm not saying Gambit would be an easy mark but I'm sticking with my vote for the Goblin.

Of course by 'one guy' you mean me, so let's clear a few things up. In just about any debate or discussion I get into where there's an overwhelming bias towards one character, I try to highlight the facts. As it stands, in most Goblin fights people tend to go for Goblin because he is indeed a well known, capable, and popular character. It doesn't help that there aren't alot of Gambit fans, so this was slanted to be a popularity contest. I hate that.

All I did was showcase Gambit's abilities and feats in comparison with the Goblin, and it's all canon. Goblin's experience 9 out of 10 is against Spidey, while Gambit has a plethera of rogues and opponents with abilities that match and surpass Spiderman. In addition, looking at it straight facts, lose the glider and Goblin's done for and Remy can indeed destroy that glider and without much trouble at that. Without the glider, Remy is hands down the better hand to hand fighter, that's not even including the metal staff he always carries. He's still got the cards and just about anything he can charge, he's shown himself able to heal at an accelerated rate, and he's got superhuman agility. This isn't to say Goblin's some easy mark but in this battle, he's simply outdone.

Now if you want to do more than whine about the facts contained in my posts and actually change someone's mind, show me where Goblin has beaten someone that's burned the entire world to a crisp with their powers or knocked out Gladiator with a blast. Remy's done both.

[Norkie]

Gumbo.

[CanaryFan]

Of course by 'one guy' you mean me, so let's clear a few things up. In just about any debate or discussion I get into where there's an overwhelming bias towards one character, I try to highlight the facts.

First off chill out! I was commenting on the fact that so many people jump on the band wagon anytime anyone gives a long detailed account of their vote reguardless of weather it's right or wrong. In this case it happened to be you but that's irrelevant.

All I did was showcase Gambit's abilities and feats in comparison with the Goblin, and it's all canon. Goblin's experience 9 out of 10 is against Spidey, while Gambit has a plethera of rogues and opponents with abilities that match and surpass Spiderman.

That's highly debatable but more importantly the majority of Gambits fights have been team batttles.


In addition, looking at it straight facts, lose the glider and Goblin's done for and Remy can indeed destroy that glider and without much trouble at that. Without the glider, Remy is hands down the better hand to hand fighter,

This is the biggest problem I have with your side. Remy can only throw a charged object so high, far, fast. Goblin could stay out of range and throw pumkin bombs and razor edged boomerangs at him until he tires and gets hit. Harry's glider is faster and more mobile than Normans was so Remy would have to get lucky to take out the glider. Hand to hannd(fist fight) Remy has the skill but Goblin has the strength and stamina. It's not a sure thing either way.



that's not even including the metal staff he always carries. He's still got the cards and just about anything he can charge, he's shown himself able to heal at an accelerated rate, and he's got superhuman agility.

Yes his mutant powers give him a great offense but his defense is not that spectacular. Yes he's recovered quickly from some injuries but not immediatly and he can't bring himself back from the dead. Goblins weapons could kill him just as easily as his weapons could kill the Goblin.

Now if you want to do more than whine about the facts contained in my posts and actually change someone's mind, show me where Goblin has beaten someone that's burned the entire world to a crisp with their powers or knocked out Gladiator with a blast. Remy's done both.


How is anything in my post whining, sounds more like you cranky cause someone doesn't agree with you

[CanaryFan]

Hey, I gave my vote before anyone said anything.:yay:

That's fine. I'm not saying everyone who voted for Gambit did so because of Genisis's post but every match up it seems like most voters wait until someone gives a long detailed answer and then say " Yeah I vote for this guy because of his reasons". It gets annoying after awhile.

[Brainiac 8]

Gambit has the fire power and is a trained martial artist.

He would take Goblin down hard. :up:

[Genesis 1.0]

That's fine. I'm not saying everyone who voted for Gambit did so because of Genisis's post but every match up it seems like most voters wait until someone gives a long detailed answer and then say " Yeah I vote for this guy because of his reasons". It gets annoying after awhile.

Say huh? Goblin's enhancements versus Remy doesn't make it a lock close range? Quite simply, Goblin's physical enhancement due to the formula are nowhere near Gladiator who was knocked unconcious by Gambit's blast. So that equals what, for Harry? A gory death? Yes Sir.

I won't bother cluttering up Sparta's thread by going to counter the argument listed above, however, you're upset because people tend to side with someone who actually goes into depth and, I don't know, explains why they voted rather than vote blindly. Fact of the matter is that some people don't know about every character in every match, so it's good to make a decision based on the most information presented.

As to me being 'grumpy', because you don't agree, by the way, who the hell still uses grumpy? I digress, that's hardly the case, I'm enjoying myself as much as usual but what I do find amusing is that actually stated that you're annoyed when people make informed decisions. So I'd be more inclinded to amusement that you aren't making sense, not that you're disagreeing. If you wanted to sway some of that your way you should have provided your own view on the match instead of throwing some half-ass verbal jab my way for taking the time to do so. I would apologize for hurting your tender sensibilities, but that would be insincere.

It's probably a good thing Sparta abandoned his mandatory explanation rule, you'd probably go into a seizure from all the logic presented.:o

[CanaryFan]

Say huh? Goblin's enhancements versus Remy doesn't make it a lock close range? Quite simply, Goblin's physical enhancement due to the formula are nowhere near Gladiator who was knocked unconcious by Gambit's blast. So that equals what, for Harry? A gory death? Yes Sir.

Cute how you change the wording to make yourself sound right. You said hand to hand originally and that doesn't count his mutant abilities. Gambit has no clear advantage there. With his powers he has the ability to take the goblin out but Goblin also has the ability to take him out. It would come done to who landed a blow first. The real issue however remains the you dismiss the glider as easily taken out and that makes no sense for reasons I've already given.

I won't bother cluttering up Sparta's thread by going to counter the argument listed above, however, you're upset because people tend to side with someone who actually goes into depth and, I don't know, explains why they voted rather than vote blindly. Fact of the matter is that some people don't know about every character in every match, so it's good to make a decision based on the most information presented.

As to me being 'grumpy', because you don't agree, by the way, who the hell still uses grumpy? I digress, that's hardly the case, I'm enjoying myself as much as usual but what I do find amusing is that actually stated that you're annoyed when people make informed decisions. So I'd be more inclinded to amusement that you aren't making sense, not that you're disagreeing. If you wanted to sway some of that your way you should have provided your own view on the match instead of throwing some half-ass verbal jab my way for taking the time to do so. I would apologize for hurting your tender sensibilities, but that would be insincere.

It's probably a good thing Sparta abandoned his mandatory explanation rule, you'd probably go into a seizure from all the logic presented.:o

So instead you clutter it up with this crap. Your opinions on what I think of people jumping on the voting bandwagon are ridiculous and somewhat illiterate. I simply think people should think for themselves. If they don't know the character they could look him up or wait for a match up they're qualified to vote on. As I clearly stated before it's not always your bandwagon they're jumping on. If they're getting their info from a post in this thread then the don't know if it's right or wrong and I've seen people jumping on the wrong bandwagon many times. Those are hardly well informed opinions. As for your not being upset, well then why are you still babbling about me "making some half ass verbal jab at you"? I disagree with you about who would win but I never said anything about your opinion. The only jab I took was at the flock of sheep mindlessly following you.

[CanaryFan]

As to me being 'grumpy', because you don't agree, by the way, who the hell still uses grumpy?

Apparently only you because I didn't:huh:

[Vanguard07]

Gambit's knocked out Gladiator, true but Spiderman's knocked out the hulk, beaten firelord, brought down various encarnations of the sinister six etc.
What a character HAS done, by no means is indicative of what they are able to do on average.

On average, Gambit is a street level, character. He's a theif who charges small objects and uses them as minor explosives (not saying he cant do more but on average thats how he operates).

Based on their average performances and methods GG would take down gambit every single time.
If the fight lasted a long time and had a chance to wind it's way up to both sides going all out then yes Gambit would probably win but based on their abilities i highly doubt it would last that long.

[CrypticOne]

Gambit gets my vote.

[Sloth7d]

Gambit's knocked out Gladiator, true but Spiderman's knocked out the hulk, beaten firelord, brought down various encarnations of the sinister six etc.
What a character HAS done, by no means is indicative of what they are able to do on average.

On average, Gambit is a street level, character. He's a theif who charges small objects and uses them as minor explosives (not saying he cant do more but on average thats how he operates).

Based on their average performances and methods GG would take down gambit every single time.
If the fight lasted a long time and had a chance to wind it's way up to both sides going all out then yes Gambit would probably win but based on their abilities i highly doubt it would last that long.
I mean if it was Spiderman vs Gambit, I would easily vote Spidey. But the greengoblin really isn't that big of a threat. The main way he ever really even gets the best of Spidey is by attacking his loved ones, blind siding him as Peter Parker, get other guys to attack him, ect. One on one Spiderman usually always takes Goblin down fast as soon as he knocks him off that glider.

[Sparta*]

There's some excitement going on in here today lol

12 - 5 for Gambit so far...

[spartin2008]

I dont know, Green Goblin has some tremindious capability, and He could be pretty smart, but i got to go with Gambit...o by the way, if anyone has noticed...IM Back. Finaly, we lost our computer in a storm and finaly got a new one, so yeah!

[spartin2008]

edit-double post...sorry, guess thats what i get for being gone so long! :D

[1987olds442]

Gambit

[Anubis]

Green Goblin. What the f**k are you guys smokin'?

[Spade]

Green Goblin. What the f**k are you guys smokin'?

Gambit once charged a deck of cards with kinetic energy and knocked out the Marvel equivalent of Superman. It's not a non-canon event nor is it bad writing; he just charged every individual card, and the explosive power ended up to be immensely high. I've yet to see the Green Goblin (especially Harry) do something on that level.

[Silicon Surfer]

Gladiator shrugged off an explosion of near nova magnitude. One that would have destroyed the entire solar system had Gladiator not somehow contained it. If Gambit charged and detonated the entire Earth he would not generate an explosion that big. This means that nothing Gambit could ever do with his powers should be able to even make Gladiator notice that he was even present. In addition Gambit once taxed his powers to charge a telephone pole. Goblin is just as fast and agile, a lot stronger, has vastly greater manueverability due to flight, a bigger arsenal consisting of gas and lasers in his gauntlets in addition to his explosives. Gambit has not even a single advantage. If it ever came down to hand to hand Goblins greater strength would be more than a match for Gambits superior skill. Gambit would be torn limb from limb virtually instantly. Goblin also has better than human healing.

[Anubis]

Exactly. Bad writing for the fanboy masses dont count.

[Iceman]

Gladiator shrugged off an explosion of near nova magnitude. One that would have destroyed the entire solar system had Gladiator not somehow contained it. If Gambit charged and detonated the entire Earth he would not generate an explosion that big. This means that nothing Gambit could ever do with his powers should be able to even make Gladiator notice that he was even present. In addition Gambit once taxed his powers to charge a telephone pole. Goblin is just as fast and agile, a lot stronger, has vastly greater manueverability due to flight, a bigger arsenal consisting of gas and lasers in his gauntlets in addition to his explosives. Gambit has not even a single advantage. If it ever came down to hand to hand Goblins greater strength would be more than a match for Gambits superior skill. Gambit would be torn limb from limb virtually instantly. Goblin also has better than human healing.Although I think he'd lose, Gambit has a far better standard of training. I don't think Goblin would find it quite so easy to take him down. Goblin would win eventually but he'd take a few hits first.

[Sloth7d]

Gladiator shrugged off an explosion of near nova magnitude. One that would have destroyed the entire solar system had Gladiator not somehow contained it. If Gambit charged and detonated the entire Earth he would not generate an explosion that big. This means that nothing Gambit could ever do with his powers should be able to even make Gladiator notice that he was even present. In addition Gambit once taxed his powers to charge a telephone pole. Goblin is just as fast and agile, a lot stronger, has vastly greater manueverability due to flight, a bigger arsenal consisting of gas and lasers in his gauntlets in addition to his explosives. Gambit has not even a single advantage. If it ever came down to hand to hand Goblins greater strength would be more than a match for Gambits superior skill. Gambit would be torn limb from limb virtually instantly. Goblin also has better than human healing.
Maybe when he did that to Glads that was some of his NewSun powers leaking out.

[Silicon Surfer]

The size of the object determines the power it has when it explodes. Besides when the cards went off Gambit was only a couple of feet away. The explosion was powerful enough to take out Gladiator but didn't hurt Gambit 2-3 feet away?

[incubat]

gambit, the goblin doesn't stand a chance...well, maybe for awhile, but gambit would take him out. genesis allready posted good enough reasons, but i would've voted for remy even if he hadn't

[Guyverjay]

Lol@gambit beating the goblin

Norman could and would literally just punch his head off

[Guyverjay]

Gambit once charged a deck of cards with kinetic energy and knocked out the Marvel equivalent of Superman. It's not a non-canon event nor is it bad writing; he just charged every individual card, and the explosive power ended up to be immensely high. I've yet to see the Green Goblin (especially Harry) do something on that level.


yeah and gambit once got FLICKED by Juggernaut and his unconscious ass got knocked a 100 metres away.

There are 100's of characters that could never hope to beat Gladiator that fricking Gambit wouldn't beat

[Spade]

yeah and gambit once got FLICKED by Juggernaut and his unconscious ass got knocked a 100 metres away.

:huh:

I don't remember once saying he was stronger than half of the people Juggernaut, much less Gladiator, owns. What I said is that his power is immensely potent, and considering that it's not far-fetched for him to apply it in a similar manner in this fight. It's like Bobby Drake. He's been owned plenty of times before not only by Juggy but by many others, yet is perfectly capable in his Omega-level capacity to do the same to the exact same opponent if you consider his displays over the years. Physical strength isn't everything. If the Goblin relied on physical strength for everything events like The Night Gwen Stacy Died would be moot.

[Venom.Symbiote]

Goblin has taken Spidey's superhuman punches numerous times and still comes back for more. I don't think that Gambit could take even one of those punches without dying instantly. The only thing GAmbit has over Goblin is his fighting skill but with Gobby's durability and strength you may as well throw that out the window because it isn't really going to help him at all. :venom:

(I already voted for Gobby so this isn't another vote for him.)

[Venom.Symbiote]

Also, it takes Gambit a little time to charge larger objects (the bigger the object the bigger the bang, the better chance he has of winning) and I doubt he'd have time to stand there and do that with pumpkin bombs and razor bats flying at him constantly. :venom:

[Silicon Surfer]

As I believe I have posted before, if Gobby threw 3 or 4 bombs at points equidistant around Gambit and caught him in the center there would be no dodging it since whichever way he went would be right into the explosion. Gobby is immune to that tactic since his glider makes him too fast as well as enabling him to move through all 3 dimensions.

[Genesis 1.0]

Cute how you change the wording to make yourself sound right. You said hand to hand originally and that doesn't count his mutant abilities. Gambit has no clear advantage there. With his powers he has the ability to take the goblin out but Goblin also has the ability to take him out. It would come done to who landed a blow first. The real issue however remains the you dismiss the glider as easily taken out and that makes no sense for reasons I've already given.

Doesn't count his mutant abilities? That completely crosses out his superhuman agility, so I suppose you're going to take away Harry's enhancements as well? Pfft. And I'd posted the reasons why he would eliminate the glider and without too much trouble; outside his history as a master thief where he's taken out mobilized security drones, both on the ground and in the air, the Danger Room simulations are guranteed to have things on par and above a glider for training. Or do you truly believe Charles Xaiver trains his students against only grounded opposition? I think not. And as I said, without the glider, he's dust.

So instead you clutter it up with this crap. Your opinions on what I think of people jumping on the voting bandwagon are ridiculous and somewhat illiterate. I simply think people should think for themselves. If they don't know the character they could look him up or wait for a match up they're qualified to vote on. As I clearly stated before it's not always your bandwagon they're jumping on. If they're getting their info from a post in this thread then the don't know if it's right or wrong and I've seen people jumping on the wrong bandwagon many times. Those are hardly well informed opinions. As for your not being upset, well then why are you still babbling about me "making some half ass verbal jab at you"? I disagree with you about who would win but I never said anything about your opinion. The only jab I took was at the flock of sheep mindlessly following you.

Clutter with this crap? You mean not allowing your twisted view of the matter to stand as if correct while avoiding doing a lengthy counter-point debate? Yeah. What you clearly stated was that you hate it when people actually read a descriptive post and decide on complete information, which as I said before, is sad. How you can say they should just not vote instead of going on information provided makes no sense at all.

As to you calling everyone 'mindless sheep' for agreeing with that train of logic, simply because they wanted reasons behind a vote...ugh. Suffice it to say there's a diffrence between making an informed decision and just slapping up a vote, ironically what you're vouching for.:o

Incubat: I know what you mean bro.

Gladiator shrugged off an explosion of near nova magnitude. One that would have destroyed the entire solar system had Gladiator not somehow contained it. If Gambit charged and detonated the entire Earth he would not generate an explosion that big. This means that nothing Gambit could ever do with his powers should be able to even make Gladiator notice that he was even present. In addition Gambit once taxed his powers to charge a telephone pole. Goblin is just as fast and agile, a lot stronger, has vastly greater manueverability due to flight, a bigger arsenal consisting of gas and lasers in his gauntlets in addition to his explosives. Gambit has not even a single advantage. If it ever came down to hand to hand Goblins greater strength would be more than a match for Gambits superior skill. Gambit would be torn limb from limb virtually instantly. Goblin also has better than human healing.

By this train of thought, Gladiator wouldn't be hurt by anyone shy of cosmic, which casts about half his history in the trash then. It's amazing how quickly 'bad writing' is called whenever a battle doesn't go the route people want it to, but let Spider Man beat Hulk and there's no outcry. Laughable.

As to Goblin being just as fast and agile, no. Fast? Yeah. Agile? No. Is he stronger, well that was never disputed by strength alone doesn't decide every fight, if that was the case then Sparta would have to retcon his entire thread almost. Gambit beat New Son, his alternate reality self who destroyed the entire world with his powers, so let's not even go that route with a guy possesed of midling strength. Fact of the matter is that Goblin befret of his glider, and he most certainly would be, would be quite unlikely to nail Gambit with much of anything. Gambit is far more skilled, more agile, and possessed with a power that turns anything at hand to a weapon. He's more than capable of dodging the Goblin and charging the fighting environment till the Goblin's walking a literal minefield.

And he can and has been knocked out by less than a Gambit level exploison, much less the entire 52 Card Pickup he nailed Gladiator with.:ninja:

[Genesis 1.0]

As I believe I have posted before, if Gobby threw 3 or 4 bombs at points equidistant around Gambit and caught him in the center there would be no dodging it since whichever way he went would be right into the explosion. Gobby is immune to that tactic since his glider makes him too fast as well as enabling him to move through all 3 dimensions.

To hear some of you talk, you would think that this glider has never been destroyed before, usually by misdirection and smashing into walls, ect. like a metal fruit fly.:o

[Anubis]

Oh wait, I didn't know this was Harry. Then I change my vote to Gambit. But Norman would murder him.

[Genesis 1.0]

Oh wait, I didn't know this was Harry. Then I change my vote to Gambit. But Norman would murder him.

Heh, I think I might be a little more inclined to agree, possibly, with that statement because of Norman's genius.

[Anubis]

Which is really the only reason I'd give it to him.

[Guyverjay]

By this train of thought, Gladiator wouldn't be hurt by anyone shy of cosmic, which casts about half his history in the trash then. It's amazing how quickly 'bad writing' is called whenever a battle doesn't go the route people want it to, but let Spider Man beat Hulk and there's no outcry. Laughable.

Gladiator SHOULDN'T be hurt by anyone less than a cosmic (barring his confidence being low), anything else IS bad writing. The guy can fly through a star but gets knocked out by charged up playing cards?? LOL

As to Goblin being just as fast and agile, no. Fast? Yeah. Agile? No. Is he stronger, well that was never disputed by strength alone doesn't decide every fight, if that was the case then Sparta would have to retcon his entire thread almost. Gambit beat New Son, his alternate reality self who destroyed the entire world with his powers, so let's not even go that route with a guy possesed of midling strength. Fact of the matter is that Goblin befret of his glider, and he most certainly would be, would be quite unlikely to nail Gambit with much of anything. Gambit is far more skilled, more agile, and possessed with a power that turns anything at hand to a weapon. He's more than capable of dodging the Goblin and charging the fighting environment till the Goblin's walking a literal minefield.

And he can and has been knocked out by less than a Gambit level exploison, much less the entire 52 Card Pickup he nailed Gladiator with.:ninja:

Pffft if Goblin (Harry or otherwise) can hit Spider-man, he can hit gambit and ONE PUNCH connects and Gambit is dead

[Genesis 1.0]

Which is really the only reason I'd give it to him.

Yeah, that unpredictability factor with Norman is what really got me into the character and quite frankly, I really miss it. I like both characters but there's no denying that Norman's sadistic genuis would probably end this one decisively.

Sorry Jay, but I can't say the same for Harry for the reasons listed for the past few pages. You're basing this on what he's done to Spiderman who's a totally different fighter with completely different tactics and by that same logic, you'd have to take in the Gladiator/Gambit bout, whether you like it or not, since it's canon.

The fact that he could hit Spidey is a very real factor but it can hardly be classed as the deciding one.

EDIT: And all this nonsense about Gambit being dead from a punch is inane since he's taken a hit from Juggernaut and lived. A 'flick' from Juggernaut is many times worse than the Goblin on his best day.

[Guyverjay]

Yeah, that unpredictability factor with Norman is what really got me into the character and quite frankly, I really miss it. I like both characters but there's no denying that Norman's sadistic genuis would probably end this one decisively.

Sorry Jay, but I can't say the same for Harry for the reasons listed for the past few pages. You're basing this on what he's done to Spiderman who's a totally different fighter with completely different tactics and by that same logic, you'd have to take in the Gladiator/Gambit bout, whether you like it or not, since it's canon.

The fact that he could hit Spidey is a very real factor but it can hardly be classed as the deciding one.

Gambit winning deepnds on one thing...

Harry doesn't get ONE punch to connect

I'm sorry but THAT is totally unrealistic

Harry won't pull his punch, getting hit by him is the same as getting full force by spider-man.

EDIT: if you think Gambit could take a full force shot from Spider-man and live then you no doubt have Gambit posters on your bedroom wall

[Genesis 1.0]

Gambit winning deepnds on one thing...

Harry doesn't get ONE punch to connect

I'm sorry but THAT is totally unrealistic

Harry won't pull his punch, getting hit by him is the same as getting full force by spider-man.

EDIT: if you think Gambit could take a full force shot from Spider-man and live then you no doubt have Gambit posters on your bedroom wall

Nah, most of my Raven's stuff and my lady adorn my walls, although I'm sure I had one in the 90's.

To try and suggest that it's fanboyism is a last resort in a losing argument and I already posted why it's ludicrous. He took a hit from Juggernaut that seem him what, 100 feet? No punch of Spiderman or Goblin can accomplish that on their best day. It's canon and logic. But if you ever see me posting 'Gambit ownz Hulk' or some such, then feel free to throw that flag.:o

[Guyverjay]

Nah, most of my Raven's stuff and my lady adorn my walls, although I'm sure I had one in the 90's.

To try and suggest that it's fanboyism is a last resort in a losing argument and I already posted why it's ludicrous. He took a hit from Juggernaut that seem him what, 100 feet? No punch of Spiderman or Goblin can accomplish that on their best day. It's canon and logic. But if you ever see me posting 'Gambit ownz Hulk' or some such, then feel free to throw that flag.:o

Well the Fanboy in question WOULD say that wouldn't he?

Okay according to you

Gambit can knock out out anybody who is considered nigh on invulnerable because some dumb writer had him knock out gladiator.

and his cranium is stronger than steel because he survived a flick from Juggernaut

Yeah doesn't sound fanboyish at all:eek:

PS So essentially saying Gambit "owned" Gladiator is somehow better?

[Genesis 1.0]

Well the Fanboy in question WOULD say that wouldn't he?

Okay according to you

Gambit can knock out out anybody who is considered nigh on invulnerable because some dumb writer had him knock out gladiator.

and his cranium is stronger than steel because he survived a flick from Juggernaut

Yeah doesn't sound fanboyish at all:eek:

PS So essentially saying Gambit "owned" Gladiator is somehow better?

Heh, since I've been a member here I must say that you consistently whine to and jump to conclusions at the greastest of extremes while trying to mantain an already dull sarcastic edge.

You disagree with canon, it's common and it's also moot. I wouldn't want to read comics today if you and everyone had their way as to what was viable and what wasn't. Deal with it.

Fact of the matter is that by that same illogical logic more than half the people Juggernaut hits should die and I'm sure THAT would help continuity and the longevity of the business.:o Even with your complaints against the writing of years of Cain's battles apparently, it still doesn't change the fact that taking a hit from Juggernaut outclasses anything Goblin could throw at him.

As to sounding 'fanboyish' amazingly this seems to be your most consistent point in the last few posts, unfortunately like the rest of it, it's incorrect. But whatever gets you going bro.

Ah yes and PLEASE show me where I ever stated he 'owned' Juggernaut. I'm begging you to point this out to me. Alas, you can't because I never did. I said he was knocked uncouncious and would you look at that?! He knocked him unconcious. I fail to see the problem in stating what happened with nothing added on and how that classifies as 'owning'.:huh:

If I'm a 'fanboy' for stating the facts, then you are most definitely delusional.

[CanaryFan]

Doesn't count his mutant abilities? That completely crosses out his superhuman agility, so I suppose you're going to take away Harry's enhancements as well? Pfft.

Hand to hand as you stated means no weapons, nothing for him to charge up and explode. His physical attributes are fine and I've yet to see any proof that his agility comes from being a mutant.Tthe only place I've ever heard of his agility being superhuman is on wikipedia and we both know that's a joke as a source of information. So hand to hand it's Goblins strength, stamina and duribility vs Gambit's agility and martial arts. Goblins gone toe to toe with Spiderman hand to hand and I seriously doubt Gambit could do the same but I gave him the benifit of the doubt and said it could go either way.






And I'd posted the reasons why he would eliminate the glider and without too much trouble; outside his history as a master thief where he's taken out mobilized security drones, both on the ground and in the air, the Danger Room simulations are guranteed to have things on par and above a glider for training. Or do you truly believe Charles Xaiver trains his students against only grounded opposition? I think not. And as I said, without the glider, he's dust.

Gambit could do nothing against something that could stay out of his range and still attack with deadly force. The danger room drills are specific for each mutant and Gambits never faced anything out of his range of abilities unless it was part of a team drill.




Clutter with this crap? You mean not allowing your twisted view of the matter to stand as if correct while avoiding doing a lengthy counter-point debate? Yeah. What you clearly stated was that you hate it when people actually read a descriptive post and decide on complete information, which as I said before, is sad. How you can say they should just not vote instead of going on information provided makes no sense at all.

Learn how to read! I said they could look up info on a character for themselves or not vote on matches they don't know about. Taking the word of another poster here on this forum isn't an informed opinion

As to you calling everyone 'mindless sheep' for agreeing with that train of logic, simply because they wanted reasons behind a vote...ugh. Suffice it to say there's a diffrence between making an informed decision and just slapping up a vote, ironically what you're vouching for.:o

How is taking your word on who would win an informed opinion? How is saying they should look up the character and come up with their own reasons vouching for just slapping up a vote? How do you claim to be the logical one when you post stupid statements like that that have nothing to do with what I actually posted?

[Silicon Surfer]

The Master Edition Handbook lists Gambit as having peak human agility and reflexes. I do not have a sheet on the Green Goblin but I do have one on the Hobgoblin who got his powers from the same source and it lists his reflexes and agility in the enhanced human category. Based on this all the Goblins having obtained their powers from the same formula are faster and more agile than Gambit. Just because Spider Man can take out a glider does not mean that Gambit can do so. I really doubt that Gambit could even put anything close to a glider much less hit it.

[Sparta*]

Wow! I wish my thread could generate this much discussion after every match-up! God I miss the explanations...

Everyone please remember that this is Green Goblin II (Harry Osborne) not Stormin' Norman (I don't think Gambit would stand much of a chance against Norman...Harry on the other hand is obviously more debateable)

[Sloth7d]

I still argue that it could have been some of his NewSun powers leaking out when he hurt Glads. So I still don't think it was bad writing.

[Sparta*]

Considering all the debate thats been happening, the current tally of 16 - 7 in Gambit's favor is surprising...I thought it would be closer. I went back and forth on this match-up many times and I just can't choose lol

I'll be posting a new match-up in a little while...so if anyone has anything else to comment on or if anyone hasn't voted, now is the time.

[Silicon Surfer]

Hey Sparta, I don't think you voted.

[Sparta*]

Hey Sparta, I don't think you voted.
If this was Norman Osborne there wouldn't be a doubt in my mind...but i'm not as sure about Harry. Everyone's debating was really great and that's what caused me to change my mind so many times, but I finally decided lol The characters in the tournament are all at their most commonly known power levels so I was keeping that in mind for Gambit...I didn't consider the New Son powers to be his most commonly known power level. I think Harry would be able to make use of the aerial advantage long enough to disable Gambit enough to ensure him a victory when they fight on equal ground. I'm a huge X-men fan so it pains me to vote against any of them, but after a long fight I think the Goblin would be standing. If it was Gambit with the New Sun powers it would be a different story...

Gambit still wins the match-up though with a final tally of 16-8

[Cyrusbales]

I say Gambit

[Sloth7d]

If this was Norman Osborne there wouldn't be a doubt in my mind...but i'm not as sure about Harry. Everyone's debating was really great and that's what caused me to change my mind so many times, but I finally decided lol The characters in the tournament are all at their most commonly known power levels so I was keeping that in mind for Gambit...I didn't consider the New Son powers to be his most commonly known power level. I think Harry would be able to make use of the aerial advantage long enough to disable Gambit enough to ensure him a victory when they fight on equal ground. I'm a huge X-men fan so it pains me to vote against any of them, but after a long fight I think the Goblin would be standing. If it was Gambit with the New Son powers it would be a different story...

Gambit still wins the match-up though with a final tally of 16-8
If it was NewSun Gambit then SilverSurfer seems like a more fair opponent.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow! I wish my thread could generate this much discussion after every match-up! God I miss the explanations...

:csad:

[KevanG]

I really have no idea who could win in this fight. It's pretty even and could go either way. I've seen convincing arguements going both ways so... I'll give it to Gambit due to experience fighting people like that and the fact anything hew can touch is a weapon (among many other factors). I think Remy would come out on top 7 fights out of 10.

[symbioticspaz]

Ahh yes.......nothing like arguing about FICTION!!!!! But hey, to each their own.

Not that I'm knocking it, its actually entertaining. But I really think Genesis does something to back his side, whereas everyone else just calls him a fanboy then cries about it. Nice job Genesis!

[Genesis 1.0]

Wow! I wish my thread could generate this much discussion after every match-up! God I miss the explanations...

Everyone please remember that this is Green Goblin II (Harry Osborne) not Stormin' Norman (I don't think Gambit would stand much of a chance against Norman...Harry on the other hand is obviously more debateable)

Heh, I told you when you got rid of it that it was a mistake.:csad: As to your view, it's a respectable point to which I agree on some elements and not so much on others but it's cool.

Symbiotic: I don't even concern myself with that type of aimless accusation, I just have fun.

[Sparta*]

Heh, I told you when you got rid of it that it was a mistake.:csad: As to your view, it's a respectable point to which I agree on some elements and not so much on others but it's cool.

Symbiotic: I don't even concern myself with that type of aimless accusation, I just have fun.

I definatley agree with everything you said Genesis, and I think you did one of the best jobs debating :up: I honestly think this match-up could go either way anytime.

I miss the explanation rule, but I don't think it was a mistake removing it. It was either have more people vote, give them the option, and hope they explain (which many people do thankfully :up:) or have hardly anyone vote because they don't have the option.

All I was saying in regard to my comment is I really enjoyed seeing everyone debate the match-up and I hope more people continue to do so freely instead of me having to inforce the explanation rule lol :p

[Sparta*]

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MOON KNIGHT / SPIDER-MAN / CAPTAIN AMERICA
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***VS***


BLADE / GHOST RIDER / WOLVERINE
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[Sparta*]

Sorry for the last 3 insanely large pics. Photobucket has changed and now I can't resize the pics to my liking :cmad: :cmad:

Anyway, I'm reaching page 700 here so I thought i'd have a special match-up :up:

This fight will be taking place under a full moon...

[Colossal Spoons]

Hard one. Blade and Moon Knight are the weak links on their respective teams. Buuuut, Ghost Rider tips this in his teams favor.

I vote GR/Blade/Logan

[DACMAN]

Yeah, tough. Cap=best fighter and tactition in the world. Spidey=strongest/fastest of all 6 fighters. GR=most powerful character of the 6.

Moon Knight get's killed by Blade. Cap beats Wolverine. And Spidey beats GR (considering Spider-Man is an innocent)

So, Cap/Spidey/MK for the win.


My vote goes Spidey, Cap, Moon Knight.

[Colossal Spoons]

Spidey to beat GR? :eek:

[incubat]

you know? i hate voting against spidey, but i have to be "realistic" here and vote right, so i'll go with GR/blade/wolvie

[AndThePickles]

Blade/GR/Wolvie

[Sparta*]

3 - 1 for Blade/Wolvie/GR so far...

Colossal Spoons, your avatar is truly amazing :up: I love Will Ferrell

[Silicon Surfer]

The two weakest are on one team Cap and Moon Knight, that makes it nearly impossible for Spidey to make up for. Blade would easily take out Moon Knight and Cap as could Wolvie. Blade/Wolvie/Ghost Rider for the win. I don't think that Spidey would go down easy but in the end it would be him against all three of his foes and he would lose.

[Silicon Surfer]

oops

[3dman27]

the new spider -friends

[Bastila]

Spidey, Cap, Moon Knight

[bkhedr]

Spidey, Cap and Moon Knight

[Foggy Nelson]

Blade/GR/Wolverine.

Ghost Rider swings it for me

[Cyrusbales]

Blade/GR/Wolvie, easily,

[LadyMoira]

Love Steve and Peter but with Ghost Rider on the other side they don't have a chance.

[CorporalHicks]

captain america

[Anubis]

Blade/GR/Wolverine.

[Genesis 1.0]

I definatley agree with everything you said Genesis, and I think you did one of the best jobs debating :up:

Heh, the proudest moment of my life......or the hour.:woot:

As to the current match, this could break down many different ways but I'll do it based on the closest similarity in power:

Blade vs Moon Knight: Now first and foremost, let me be clear that Moon Knight is no easy mark, but Blade simply has him outclassed in this one, especially with no moon phase stipulation. Strength, Agility, Durability, and Speed, all Blade. It would be brutal but it would by no means be long or drawn out.

Winner: Blade

Spider-Man vs Ghost Rider: Spider Man's phenomenal and I'd definitely give it to him as far as Agility and Speed, and he's going to need it since Ghost Rider is just on another level as far as raw power. There are just too many weapons at his disposal for this one, and unless Ghost Rider is holding back, Spider Man is going down sooner or later, but with his intelligence and resiliency, it would most definitely be later. The man thing here is that Blaze cancels out one of Peter's greatest advantages and that's the webbing. Ghost Rider would literally burn through anything attacthed to him or his bike, so that's null and void.

Now could Peter use his agility and intelligence to land a full powered blow to Ghost Rider? It's possible, that is if he doesn't plunge headlong into a sheet of flame or the Pennance Stare. Not to mention the fact that Ghost Rider is fully capable of taking hits from Spider-Man. There are just too many variables in those one for Peter to come out alive, much less on top.

Winner: Ghost Rider

Wolverine vs Cap: Heh, now here's a fight that's going to drag out FOREVER. Cap can't deal much of anything that would actually hurt Logan long enough considering his healing factor and Cap will never tire. We won't even get to see the end of this one since this one will end up being Blade, Ghost Rider, AND Wolverine vs Cap. So even if he manages to knock out Logan, which I find to be unlikely, he'll still have 2 to 1 odds and there's no way in hell, no pun intended, he can take Ghost Rider.

My vote goes to: Ghost Rider, Blade, & Wolverine.

[PaleRider]

yeah I think Blade/Wolvie/Ghost Rider win this one, but only because GR is there.

[Captian Marvelo]

Moon knight an d Blade could go either way but cap can't take wolverine out and he only needs to have one mistake or slow reaction to get shredded. I don't think the 3 of them together could take Ghost Rider.

[Sloth7d]

Spidey/Cap and Moonknight easily.

[r8hitman]

Spiderman, Captain America and Moon Knight.

Spiderman is just too physically superior and Cap is just too skilled.

Wolverine and Co. would be in serious trouble because the other team would just run circles around them and make them look foolish.

[Sloth7d]

Yeah I think the team work of Cap & Spiderman & Moonknight would win over the slight advantage the other team has with GR. And I don't think Blade, GR, and Wolvy work good as a team and would fall apart due to their personalities conflicting.

[Spade]

I've tried to give Moon Knight credit where credit is due before, but there are some match-ups that just make him look like Batman in white. Blade would definitely win. Spider-Man v. Ghost Rider...much harder to call. I feel in terms of skill there's only so much Pete can do. The webbing's sort of moot when the opponent throws Hellfire with ease, and the chain isn't something he would find himself breaking through as easily as common metal any day soon. Even with his quick reflexes, incredilble strength and webbing skills the Rider's superior power and superior armament would win the day. About the only thing I can see against him is if this is Ketch, and even then we're talking about Ghost Rider. The host is not the point in this case. As for Captain America versus Wolverine? It depends. If we're working with the definition of both as the cards show them and not Hulk-beating Ultimate Cap v. Uber-healing Wolverine (:whatever:) then I'd have to say Captain America. Wolverine has the claws on his side, but I'd say that for the time needed Cap's shield could hold out against the occasional swipe. In terms of power I'd say the two negate each other- I'm not going to get into the entire "metahuman strength level" debate. In the end I see two tactical experts with great fighting skills, and the superior of the two to be Cap. Wolverine may have a long lifetime of roughhousing on his side, but in the end Cap knows how to bring down people stronger than him much less his equal.

Individually- I'd give it to Blade, Ghost Rider and Captain America. As a whole, Wolverine and Company edge out the opposing team.

[Silicon Surfer]

Cap has no way to even prolong a fight with Wolvie much less win unless he tries doing a rabbit and staying out of Wolvies reach completely. Wolvie can strike inward from the left and right at the same time and Cap would be unable to block both sets of claws. The one he didn't block would kill him instantly. That's the problem with one shield vs two sets of claws. Cap would go down in seconds. Blade has most of the powers of a vampire including their superhuman strength which would overwhelm Moon Knight easily

[Brainiac 8]

Moon Knight/Spidey/Cap


Ghost Rider would probably give them the hardest time.

[Sparta*]

11 - 9 for Logan, Ghost Rider, and Blade so far...

[Colossal Spoons]

3 - 1 for Blade/Wolvie/GR so far...

Colossal Spoons, your avatar is truly amazing :up: I love Will Ferrell

Thanks. Stole it from some skank on Dane Cook's myspace wall. :D

[LouFerignoDemon]

Thanks. Stole it from some skank on Dane Cook's myspace wall. :D

EMO!!!!

[spartin2008]

I dont quite know on this one, im going to have to think on it!

[Vanguard07]

Okay... This is actually a tough one for me.
Now if it broke down to one on one fights then i'd give it to GR's side (i'm gonna call them Team Rider) however, there's no reason to assume that it's set up that way and considering the members of Spidey's team it's more than likely it'd end up a battle royale.

Cap, Spiderman are currently avengers and have teamed up numerous times in the past. They know how to work together. Moon Knight was an avenger for a while so we know he's CAPABLE of teamwork despite his tendency to go solo.

On team rider you've got three loners. No real leadership, no real teamwork not much by way of strategy. They've got the advantage in overall power but i honestly think their tactics would be their downfall. They'd just each pick a man and go to town.

Cap's side would be switching up opponent's playing them against each other, playing to their weaknesses etc. With Cap at the helm I could see them having a really good showing here.

All in all here's the way I see it:
Again rather than one on one i see everyone fighting at once.
I think Moon Knight would go down first for sure. Maybe if he's lucky he'd cause blade some injuries or something. Slow him down.
Next I see Blade being taken out by Spiderman while Cap basically does what he can to distract the other two.
I see Wolverine falling next as he attempts to pair off against Cap and Spidey hits him from behind (after dodging past GR) to take him out Spidey'd hit him hard and fast and from multiple sides and then web him down and possibly bury him beneath something heavy once he's disoriented.

That leaves Cap and Spidey against GR...
and thats where the strategy aspect falls down.
Together they'd be a lot more effective against him than seperately but even then I dont know what they could really do.
He could burn through Spidey's webbing and he's pretty much completely immune to anything they can throw at him.
I see this part lasting the longest untill GR eventually wears them both down.
(I'll say Cap goes down before Spidey just cause he's slower and would be easier to catch)

So all in all, Ghost Rider takes the win.