Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[incubat]

Okay... This is actually a tough one for me.
Now if it broke down to one on one fights then i'd give it to GR's side (i'm gonna call them Team Rider) however, there's no reason to assume that it's set up that way and considering the members of Spidey's team it's more than likely it'd end up a battle royale.

Cap, Spiderman are currently avengers and have teamed up numerous times in the past. They know how to work together. Moon Knight was an avenger for a while so we know he's CAPABLE of teamwork despite his tendency to go solo.

On team rider you've got three loners. No real leadership, no real teamwork not much by way of strategy. They've got the advantage in overall power but i honestly think their tactics would be their downfall. They'd just each pick a man and go to town.

Cap's side would be switching up opponent's playing them against each other, playing to their weaknesses etc. With Cap at the helm I could see them having a really good showing here.

All in all here's the way I see it:
Again rather than one on one i see everyone fighting at once.
I think Moon Knight would go down first for sure. Maybe if he's lucky he'd cause blade some injuries or something. Slow him down.
Next I see Blade being taken out by Spiderman while Cap basically does what he can to distract the other two.
I see Wolverine falling next as he attempts to pair off against Cap and Spidey hits him from behind (after dodging past GR) to take him out Spidey'd hit him hard and fast and from multiple sides and then web him down and possibly bury him beneath something heavy once he's disoriented.

That leaves Cap and Spidey against GR...
and thats where the strategy aspect falls down.
Together they'd be a lot more effective against him than seperately but even then I dont know what they could really do.
He could burn through Spidey's webbing and he's pretty much completely immune to anything they can throw at him.
I see this part lasting the longest untill GR eventually wears them both down.
(I'll say Cap goes down before Spidey just cause he's slower and would be easier to catch)

So all in all, Ghost Rider takes the win.

nice way to put it

[kytrigger]

I don't see how Moonknight is easily taken out by Blade if it's during a full moon. In all honesty, I think he takes blade out.

Also, haven't Blade and GR been on the same team before like Midnight Sons? (though that could have been Ketch GR, I'm not sure)

Overall, Idon't see a way for Cap, Spidey, Moonknight to really hurt GR, and to keep Wolverine down. So I'll vote GR, Blade, Wolverine.

[r8hitman]

Cap has no way to even prolong a fight with Wolvie much less win unless he tries doing a rabbit and staying out of Wolvies reach completely. Wolvie can strike inward from the left and right at the same time and Cap would be unable to block both sets of claws. The one he didn't block would kill him instantly. That's the problem with one shield vs two sets of claws. Cap would go down in seconds. Blade has most of the powers of a vampire including their superhuman strength which would overwhelm Moon Knight easily

Captain America is a master of all forms of combat. (even better than Batman) so I dont think you're giving him enough credit.

Besides.....they've fought before and the two sets of claws didnt come out on top over the shield.:cwink:

[KevanG]

I can't see anyone beating GR even if it was all 5 against him. The rest are good matches but GR is a bit overpowered for the rest of them.

Edit: BTW the GR team takes this one :p

[Genesis 1.0]

Captain America is a master of all forms of combat. (even better than Batman) so I dont think you're giving him enough credit.

Besides.....they've fought before and the two sets of claws didnt come out on top over the shield.:cwink:

Oh Jesus, the 'master of all forms' crap again.:whatever:

[Silicon Surfer]

Marvel keeps saying that all he has studied extensively is boxing and judo but people don't pay attention. While Cap is not unskilled, he primarily relies on the fact that he is either faster or stronger (or both) than his opponent. When his opponent has the advantage in those qualities Cap has nothing left except creativity which doesn't get him anywhere either, not with this group. Blade is superhumanly strong, fast and has a healing factor. I don't see Moon Knight beating that. Especially since Blade uses weapons on top of that. Spidey won't be helping out the other 2 since GR is going to be pursuing him relentlessly.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Ghost Rider can't be stopped by anyone involved in this match so his team wins.

[Genesis 1.0]

Marvel keeps saying that all he has studied extensively is boxing and judo but people don't pay attention. While Cap is not unskilled, he primarily relies on the fact that he is either faster or stronger (or both) than his opponent. When his opponent has the advantage in those qualities Cap has nothing left except creativity which doesn't get him anywhere either, not with this group. Blade is superhumanly strong, fast and has a healing factor. I don't see Moon Knight beating that. Especially since Blade uses weapons on top of that. Spidey won't be helping out the other 2 since GR is going to be pursuing him relentlessly.

Exactly my point, he shows a strong suit in Judo and Boxing, that's it. It always mystifies me why people still try and throw that 'master of all forms' thing around anymore after all this time.:o

[Foggy Nelson]

Exactly my point, he shows a strong suit in Judo and Boxing, that's it. It always mystifies me why people still try and throw that 'master of all forms' thing around anymore after all this time.:o

Possibly they think he has to be a master of all forms to be better than batman? so you know, america boxing and judo slowly turns into all forms just to keep up with master of 127 styles or whatever. Cap rocks anyways.

[Anubis]

I think Caps created his own fighting style. Coupled with his agility as well as Boxing, Judo, and whatever else he's picked up over the years, he's managed to create his own way of fighting. You don't have to know 127 differnt styles if you find the one that works for you and can fight for a day non stop without getting winded.

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't anyone's going to disupte that, it's the little 'Master of all forms' that has many of us agitated.

A good example is Wolverine's storied wealth of a plethera of fighting styles and techniques he's mastered and yet you don't see it in the writing. It's the same with Cap; there's a claim for all these styles and yet you only see a mixture of the same two.

[Foggy Nelson]

I don't anyone's going to disupte that, it's the little 'Master of all forms' that has many of us agitated.

A good example is Wolverine's storied wealth of a plethera of fighting styles and techniques he's mastered and yet you don't see it in the writing. It's the same with Cap; there's a claim for all these styles and yet you only see a mixture of the same two.

Eh you could see them before though, atleast Wolverine exhibited some of the skills that people claimed he had before. Now its just all idiot running into bullets etc.

Cap definetly has made his own style and its pretty awesome to be honest to go from a skinny little loser into probably the best martial artist in the planet. Go rogers.

[incubat]

Captain America is a master of all forms of combat. (even better than Batman) so I dont think you're giving him enough credit.

Besides.....they've fought before and the two sets of claws didnt come out on top over the shield.:cwink:

Even better than Batman?????????? what did you smoke?

[Colossal Spoons]

EMO!!!!

:cmad:

[Sparta*]

alright, 15 - 9 is the final tally for Blade, Logan and Ghost Rider

next match-up shortly...

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


MEGGAN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Meggan2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


MEDUSA
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Medusa.jpg

[CanaryFan]

Medusa by a hair.

[Sloth7d]

I think Meggan.

[Foggy Nelson]

Meggan

[Silicon Surfer]

Medusa is very skilled and a formiddable opponent but Megan is the more powerful. Hard choice but I will go with the power. Megan.

[3dman27]

megan

[Anubis]

Meggan

[spartin2008]

I guess Meggan

[Sparta*]

6 - 1 for Meggan so far...

[The Punisher]

Meggan gets my vote.

[spartin2008]

Hey Sparta, have you ever used Vulcan in a match, i havent ever seen him in one of your matches...but i was just wondering

[Anubis]

Vulcan/Sentry would be somethin' else.

[Sparta*]

Hey Sparta, have you ever used Vulcan in a match, i havent ever seen him in one of your matches...but i was just wondering
Are you talking about the third Summer's brother? If so, I haven't used him yet.

Vulcan/Sentry would be somethin' else.
I don't have cards of them...but I guess I could make an exception and just use pics lol

[Venom.Symbiote]

I'm not too sure of what Meggan is capable of these days but I'm pretty sure she outclasses Medusa so she gets my vote. Besides, I always did like her. :venom:

[LadyMoira]

Medusa is more experienced and craftier but Meggan has more raw power and would ultimately defeat her-assuming of course Meggan went all out.

[Sparta*]

Finally reached 10,000 posts!! HUZZAH to me!

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I think Medusa would have the upper hand in this battle.

[Brainiac 8]

Meggan.

[Mistress Gluon]

Vulcan/Sentry would be somethin' else.

That would be fun. Just so we can have a "Sentry wins" afterparty.

[Genesis 1.0]

Finally reached 10,000 posts!! HUZZAH to me!

Huzzah to all of your patrons, you bastard; meaning me.

*shakes fist*

Meggan gets my vote by the way.:ninja:

[Sparta*]

Huzzah to all of your patrons, you bastard; meaning me.

*shakes fist*

Meggan gets my vote by the way.:ninja:

I was talking about my personal post count :o:p The thread is pushing 20,000

[bkhedr]

That would be fun. Just so we can have a "Sentry wins" afterparty.

Yeah

Robert would crush him.

Anything Gladiator can do Sentry should be able to do better

(And I love Gladiator so dont you Kallark funs mug me now!)

[Vanguard07]

Meggan outclasses Medusa. Although that Beyond mini did make me take Medusa more seriously than I had before, I still think Meggan would take it.

Unless you include their respective spouses into consideration. In which case, Medusa all the way.

[Sparta*]

Meggan wins!

Next match-up in a bit

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


NIGHTCRAWLER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Nightcrawler2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


SHADOWCAT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Shadowcat2.jpg

[Exploding Boy]

Shadowcat. Nightcrawler cant touch her

[Sparta*]

She has to become tangible to knock Nightcrawler out though...and i'm sure with a few trick 'ports he could fool her into exposing herself.

I'll vote for Nightcrawler.

[Exploding Boy]

Not really. If she stays tangible he goes to attack her, she pulls his heart out :yay:

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Nightcrawler has my vote. I'm not a person who can envision some of these characters doing things very OOC even in the course of a real bout, and Nightcrawler and Shadowcat aren't the sort of mutants who would kill each other under normal circumstances (even in a matchup). Most likely it would go as far as Nightcrawler finding an opening where she is tangible and disorientating her with teleports enough times so she can lose consciousness or be weak enough to pass out from any well-placed blow in the least.

[Sloth7d]

I think Nightcrawler has the edge here, though a stalemate is most likely to happen rather than a victory, I'll give my vote to Nightcrawler...in america!

[Silicon Surfer]

Kitty may be able to protect herself by staying phased but she does have to turn tangible to attack. Kurt is a lot stronger and just as fast and agile. With or without teleporting she just can't win against superior strength in a fighter who is also well trained. Kurt is also very stealthy just like Kitty is. Kurt for the win.

[Exploding Boy]

Kitty is a way way way better fighter. She could just stay phased and keep her hands tangible and attack with those

[Silicon Surfer]

Nightcrawler is also extremely skilled. I don't ever recall seeing Kitty phase only part of herself. The Vision can do that but I don't know if Kitty can or not.

[Exploding Boy]

In Endsong she could squeeze Cykes heart. Meaning she could make the tips of her fingers tangible and squeeze his heart while her forarm was intangible and in his body.

Not to mention Kitty does not tire from being phased. Her natural body state is being phased and she has to focus to stay tangible. Nightcrawler tires after too much porting. She could just wait it out and let him port until he is too tired to port anymore than come in and KO him.

[3dman27]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


NIGHTCRAWLER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Nightcrawler2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


SHADOWCAT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Shadowcat2.jpg
kitty:ninja:

[CanaryFan]

Shadowcat would find a way to win in the end.

[PaleRider]

nightcrawler

[LadyMoira]

I'd like to say Kurt because I totally crush on him but Kitty could basically make it impossible for him to do her any damage and eventually she'd be able to catch him long enough to strike the winning blow.

[bkhedr]

Kitty

[Anubis]

Kitty

[Apprentice]

Kitty.

[kytrigger]

I'll go with Nightcrawler. They both know each other very well, and Nightcrawler will know that it will be hard to hit Kitty so he'll inittially stay away from her even going so far as to climb/teleport up into trees and up walls. While she can float, she is nowhere near fast enough at this to actually catch him.

The thing is, if Kurt just gets a hold of her for an instant and starts teleporting, it's all over. Kitty will no better than to phase away during one of his teleportations since if she let go, she would most likely be trapped in the alternate dimension he teleports through. Her only chance at that point is to just hold on for dear life and hope she is just knocked unconscious instead of stranded.

As for her just going in and ripping out Kurt's herat/lungs/any organ, she would never ina million years do that to Kurt IMO.

[Genesis 1.0]

I was talking about my personal post count :o:p The thread is pushing 20,000

Heh, I know but it's obvious I'm the only reason you keep going everyday.:o

As to the current match, neither of these characters would result to lethal force on one another so that's out of the equation. Although Kitty has the edge as far as the avenue of her powers, Kurt can still become nearly invisible correct? Then it becomes a waiting game and I think Kitty's impetuious nature would get the better of her before the tactical Nightcrawler. As stated above, once he makes contact and transports, she risks losing her life by trying to phase.

The last thing she'll hear is BAMF!

Nightcrawler

[Exploding Boy]

but if Kitty wanted too she could just stay intangible the entire time and NC would never be able to touch her. And NC only becomes invisible in the dark and we dont know the setting of the fight.

[Genesis 1.0]

If I'm not mistaken, Kurt can blend into shadowy backgrounds just as easily. Either way, history shows that Kitty is impulsive 8 out of 10 times, while Kurt is quite capable of waiting on victory.

[Brainiac 8]

Nightcrawler, he is much more skilled as a fighter than Kitty.

If they were in a battle she would have to become solid at some point.

[Exploding Boy]

he's more skilled as a fighter than a trained ninja? :ninja:

[Venom.Symbiote]

If Kurt teleported Kitty, all she would have to do is phase both of them. She could hold on to him that way but not suffer the effects of his teleport. If it came down to a hand to hand fight, I'd go with Kitty. While Kurt is good, she is a trained Samurai and when she can phase at the speed of thought, Nightcrawler's punches will pass through her every time as long as she sees them or knows they're coming. :venom:

Kitty Pryde

[Genesis 1.0]

he's more skilled as a fighter than a trained ninja? :ninja:

Nothing personal against Kitty but Kurt simply has MORE abilities than she does. He can see on the infared spectrucm, he can cling like Spidey, he can blend with shadows as I said, he's got superhuman agility, and his transporting technique, as stated on the last page, would knock Kitty out cold.

[Genesis 1.0]

If Kurt teleported Kitty, all she would have to do is phase both of them. She could hold on to him that way but not suffer the effects of his teleport. If it came down to a hand to hand fight, I'd go with Kitty. While Kurt is good, she is a trained Samurai and when she can phase at the speed of thought, Nightcrawler's punches will pass through her every time as long as she sees them or knows they're coming. :venom:

Kitty Pryde

NEVER has it been shown that she's capable of phasing while being teleoported between DIMENSIONS. That's just wishful thinking at best.:o

[Exploding Boy]

I think he means that when he grabs her she can phase before he has the chance to teleport them

[Genesis 1.0]

I think he means that when he grabs her she can phase before he has the chance to teleport them

It's still whimsical seeing that you have to guess as to which is faster: teleportation or phasing.:ninja:

[Brainiac 8]

Plus, I don't see Kurt just grabbing her to teleport...he usually does that to disorient his foe. His teamates are used to teleporting with him...thus the tactic would be lost.

I do think however that he would get the drop on her with his stealthiness and ability to blend in with shadows.

[Genesis 1.0]

As far as I know, Kurt's the only with who's built up the resistance necessary to withstand the strain of multiple jumps. Even the most seasoned come away faint after what, 2 or 3?

[Brainiac 8]

Still don't think it would be a tactic Kurt would use..especially knowing who it was he was fighting.

[Anubis]

I don't think that trick would work. She could go partially intangible the moment he grabs her, he gets the whole bio shock treatment. He's out. Speed of thought vs speed of teleportation, i'll take thought anyday.

[Exploding Boy]

Kurt ports next to kitty. he reaches to grab her. she has all this time to go intangible if she wasnt intangible already. She only has to think to become intangible

[Genesis 1.0]

Kurt ports next to kitty. he reaches to grab her. she has all this time to go intangible if she wasnt intangible already. She only has to think to become intangible

Heh, by this train of thought, Kitty would NEVER be touched. Hardly the case. Hell if it was that easy to anticipate Kurt's teleports then he would never have survived this long and managed to pull off so many upsets against better powered foes.

'BAMF!'

Villian: "Well, there's Kurt. Guess I'll prepare my couterattack."

It's a stretch, as I said and not backed by any canon I've seen.

[Exploding Boy]

I still dont see whats stopping Kitty from staying intagible. She's fights smart.

[Genesis 1.0]

She's also very impulsive and it's been shown time and time again. No way in hell she has more patience than Kurt in a waiting game.

[Exploding Boy]

With these fights theres no setting or motives or anything so I cant judge how she would behave. If its a closed room or a forest ect. makes a big differance. Are they fighting in character or bloodlusted?

[Genesis 1.0]

With these fights theres no setting or motives or anything so I cant judge how she would behave. If its a closed room or a forest ect. makes a big differance. Are they fighting in character or bloodlusted?

Generally people tend to take it from granted that the character isn't going to cross boundaries they've observed their entire existence. Unless there's credible precedence then it's all canon based reactions.

[Brainiac 8]

Heh, by this train of thought, Kitty would NEVER be touched. Hardly the case. Hell if it was that easy to anticipate Kurt's teleports then he would never have survived this long and managed to pull off so many upsets against better powered foes.

'BAMF!'

Villian: "Well, there's Kurt. Guess I'll prepare my couterattack."

It's a stretch, as I said and not backed by any canon I've seen.

The only time I have seen someone get the better of Kurt while teleporting was during "Days of Future Past."

They were fighting the brotherhood, and Kurt was wasting Avalanche by constantly teleporting and punching him. Destiny told him where Kurt was going to bamf next, and Avalanche was able to gut punch him as he came out of the teleport.

[Exploding Boy]

Well as long as its not a hypothetical fight to the death. But where they are makes a differance.

[Genesis 1.0]

The only time I have seen someone get the better of Kurt while teleporting was during "Days of Future Past."

They were fighting the brotherhood, and Kurt was wasting Avalanche by constantly teleporting and punching him. Destiny told him where Kurt was going to bamf next, and Avalanche was able to gut punch him as he came out of the teleport.

Exactly my point. Saying Kitty would be able to react in time is amusing.

[Brainiac 8]

Exactly my point. Saying Kitty would be able to react in time is amusing.

Especially since it took someone with the power of prediction to best him during a teleporting barage.

[Anubis]

Unless of course she just stands there and stays intangeible the whole time.

[Silicon Surfer]

Unless of course she just stands there and stays intangeible the whole time.

In which case Kurt stays high on a vertical surface in shadow and invisible the whole time.:)

[CrypticOne]

Nightcrawler gets my vote.

[incubat]

i'll through in a vote for kitty, knowong that it has been stated that kurts teleport-jumps are sometimes kind of predictible (cyclops took him out like that once), besides, that whole invisible thing, isn't that much of an advantage for kurt, kitty is a NINJA after all, and ninjas are trained to relay on other senses, too. and plus, kitty doesn't have to think to be intangible, she just has to stop thinking, relax, which is faster than thinking (hope i don't get anybody confused with this), well, at least in my opinion. so in the end i believe kitty would win this one, allthough it would be a very interesting match.

[Sparta*]

In which case Kurt stays high on a vertical surface in shadow and invisible the whole time.:)

Kitty staying intangible and Kurt hiding in the shadows...what an exciting fight that would be lol :p

9-9 tie so far...

[incubat]

i imagine kitty somehow blindfolded walking around like a blind chicken and kurt getting frustraded by being not being able to hit kitty even if she's standing in front of him

[Vanguard07]

The grab then port thing i dont think would work.
at least not well enough to take her out.
The way i see it is Kurt would grab her and maybe port once before she can react (if he manages to grab her at all) but she'd be in the process of phasing when they reappear and would slip out of his grasp making any further ports, solo ones.

I'll vote Kitty. Ninja trained by ogun, former member of shield. better power.
I'd say Kitty's a significantly better fighter although Kurt's superior agility and acrobatics help offset that advantage a little.
Plus Kurt's a gentleman, he'd feel bad about hitting her and would be inclined to hesitate.

[Silicon Surfer]

Both Kitty and Kurt have peak human agility and reflexes. Kurts agility and acrobatics are not considered to be of superhuman levels.

[Anubis]

In which case Kurt stays high on a vertical surface in shadow and invisible the whole time.:)

But the difference is, he doesn't know when she's intangible. She looks the same intangible as she does when she's tangible. He goes for her once, he's going down.

I'd like to add that this is a good fight. In terms of the voting at least.

[DACMAN]

Crawler

[Genesis 1.0]

But the difference is, he doesn't know when she's intangible. She looks the same intangible as she does when she's tangible. He goes for her once, he's going down.

I'd like to add that this is a good fight. In terms of the voting at least.

I was thinking the same thing, debate's been lively lately and this thread definitely needed some of that.

In any case, Kitty's ninja training hasn't changed her nature which is impulsive and although she has ninja training Kurt is quite accomplished in both the arts and hand to hand combat, add to that his bone structure allows him acrobatic feats that surpass her own, this is a toss up. Even mentioning hand to hand means she's tangible, in which case, she's toast.

I said from the jump this would be difficult to call.:ninja:

[Painman]

What kind of match ups are we talking about?

[Genesis 1.0]

Versus battles obviously. The scenario is that you take any 2 characters from the MU and vote on who you think could win a fight. Sparta usually let's us know if there are any other special circumstances i.e. Prep Time.

Who you think would win could be based on anything, unfortunately it's usually bias. But if you want to excercise your mind, just simulate the match as best you can.

[Painman]

THOR, hands down

[Genesis 1.0]

THOR, hands down

Heh, guess I forgot to mention you have to based on the 2 characters Sparta posts, he's the father of this thread. The current match is Shadowcat vs Nightcrawler.

He posts a new match every other day or so based on the amount of reaction he's getting and if he's being a lazy bastard or not. Eh, it's a 50/50 toss up.:o

[trustyside-kick]

Nightcrawler

[spartin2008]

Nightcrawler probly...

[Genesis 1.0]

Well I think you've drained this one of everything you can, even though I still don't buy Kitty being able to phase when it took a precog to predict his next jump.

[incubat]

can we get a new match?

[1987olds442]

Nightcrawler

[Sparta*]

13 - 10 is the final tally for Nightcrawler!

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


DARK BEAST
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/DarkBeast2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


QUICKSILVER
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Quicksilver.jpg

[incubat]

hmm...interesting

[Apprentice]

Quicksilver.

[CrypticOne]

Huh. Interesting match. I'll go with Dark Beast.

[Cyrusbales]

quicksilver, superspeed is always the best power really

[Colossal Spoons]

Quicksilver

[Silicon Surfer]

Dark Beast. Intelligence counts for something and Quicksilver is far from the brightest star in the heavens.

[Sparta*]

3 - 2 for Quicksilver so far...

[Mistress Gluon]

Dark Beast

[LadyMoira]

Hmmm...Without prep time I'd say Quicksilver manages to beat Dark Beast silly before Big Blue can lay a punch on him. If however, there was some fore warning before the battle, then Dark Beast would no doubt have some fiendish trap ready to reduce the advantage of Pietro's speed and utterly nail him to the wall. (Pietro needless to say isn't nearly as good at planning.)

[Exploding Boy]

Quicksilver

[Anubis]

The platinum haired incest survivor.

[kytrigger]

Hmmm...Without prep time I'd say Quicksilver manages to beat Dark Beast silly before Big Blue can lay a punch on him. If however, there was some fore warning before the battle, then Dark Beast would no doubt have some fiendish trap ready to reduce the advantage of Pietro's speed and utterly nail him to the wall. (Pietro needless to say isn't nearly as good at planning.)

The thing though that most people forget is that Dark Beast doesn't know nearly as much as regular Beast. He trumps 616 Beast on genetics knowledge, but pails in almost everyting else becasue he doesn't study like 616 Beast does. He isn't even as agile or strong as 616 Beast because he never trains (although, to be fair, he is evil, so the fact that he is willing to kill might help even out the fighting ability). Overall though, Dark Beast isn't nearly as resourceful as 616 Beast which severely hurts his chances of winning.

Quicksilver

[Sparta*]

The platinum haired incest survivor.

this isn't Ultimate Quicksilver :p

[Anubis]

Same thing :o

[Silicon Surfer]

Dark Beast defeated the 616 Beast in the only fight I know of.

[DACMAN]

Quick Silver

[CanaryFan]

Pietro

[incubat]

i'll go with quicksilver only because speed power is so underestimated

[Vanguard07]

Speed kills.
Quicksilver should win.

[SuperFerret]

Quicksilver

[KevanG]

If it was 616 beast then I'd vote Beast but as it's dark beast, Speedy gets my vote. DB just doesn't have the training or the experience to take down QS.

[spiderwasp]

Pietro!

[Sloth7d]

quicksilver, superspeed is always the best power really
I'll mimic this statement.

[bkhedr]

Pietro

[Iceman/Psylocke]

I forget what the prep times rules are in this tournament. Dark Beast easily with enough prep, Quicksilver otherwise.

[Paloogin]

I shall go with Quicksilver as well. As previous posts have stated, superspeed is a pretty badass power, and eclipses anything that the Beast can offer, Dark or otherwise.

[ookami]

Pietro

[3dman27]

i thought pietro didn't have superspeed anymore

[Bastila]

Quicksilver

[spartin2008]

Dark Beast

[kytrigger]

i thought pietro didn't have superspeed anymore

I think is this tournament, we are supposed to go by the powers they are most usually have. Even though he doesn't have superspeed anymore, it is what he is most known for. Even if this was current Pietro though, I would give it to him even easier, since he can now warp time or whatever.

[Exploding Boy]

I think its the combatant from the picture that is posted and he had super-speed in that picture. Unless otherwise stated by Sparta

[incubat]

i'm a bit lost on the whole pietro situation right now, can anyone please enlighten me?

[Exploding Boy]

wikipedia is your friend :yay:

[incubat]

lol, i'll get right on it

[incubat]

lol, i'll get right on it

[The Apocalypse]

Just in case you get lazy here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_%28comics%29#Son_of_M

[incubat]

haha, just finished reading it, but thx anyway...

and after having read it, i think quicksilver definitely takes out dark beast

[Genesis 1.0]

Pietro with relative ease since DB is without prep.

[Cyrusbales]

new match? :)

[incubat]

i second the motion

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


SABRETOOTH
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Sabretooth.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


LIZARD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Lizard2.jpg

[CanaryFan]

I think I like the Lizrad for the win here.

[Sparta*]

Happy New Year to everybody! I hope you all had a good time and got nice and sauced! I know I did :p

FYI: Pietro won the last match-up

[Cyrusbales]

i'm undecided on this one, will be back with answer soon

[DACMAN]

The Lizard. He's faster, stronger, and bullet proof.

[kytrigger]

Sabretooth. His healing factor allows him to take a beating all the while tearing into Lizard piece by piece.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sinister choked Sabretooth into submission and the Lizard is stronger still. The Lizard is also faster than Sabretooth. The Lizard for a relatively easy win.

[DACMAN]

Sabretooth. His healing factor allows him to take a beating all the while tearing into Lizard piece by piece.
The Lizard has the ability to grow back new limbs. I'm pretty sure Sabretooth doesn't.

[kytrigger]

The Lizard has the ability to grow back new limbs. I'm pretty sure Sabretooth doesn't.Actually, that would probably depend on who was writing him. Just like Wolverine, Sabretooth has inconsistent healing that range from "really good" to "ludicrously good". Whiel at some times he might not be able to regrow an arm, he will never really need to since he has a adamantium skeleton.

As for Lizard's healing powers, I honestly don't know as much about them, but I always assumed they were of a lower level than Sabretooth's. I think Lizard would definately put Sabretooth through a beating, but every time he does, Sabretooth will take a little bit of Lizard with him, and keep getting up for more.

[spartin2008]

If i remember right, someone has done this match before, but givin the chalange that Lizard would give Sabertooth, it would last a long time...i still wonder who acturally has the better healing abilitys, that is what it would come down to, and with the Lizard being faster, smarter, and probably stronge, he would eventualy be able to take out Sabertooth.


Lizard gets my vote.

[Vanguard07]

I'll vote Lizard.
He's much faster and stronger. He's got a highly durable hide. He's just as ferocious. I think he'd take Sabertooth down pretty quickly actually.

[CrypticOne]

Sabretooth gets my vote.

[incubat]

i'll follow my instinct on this one and throw in a vote for sabertooth

[KevanG]

I'll give my vote for the Lizard but it won't be an easy win. I can see it going both ways as both are almost equal in most respects but I say the Lizard can pull it off.

[BatGuy63]

Sabertooth...

[3dman27]

ol'dragon face

[Cyrusbales]

well intelligence does take a huge part of comic book fights, so I'm gonna go for a marginal win for the lizard.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

The Lizard. He's got the strength, speed, agility and while I'm not sure if his regeneration is as powerful as Sabretooth's healing factor it's definitely strong enough to deal with any injuries sabretooth could inflict on him.

[Genesis 1.0]

For the reasons posted above but not the same motive, Lizard takes this but no way in hell is it a easy win.

Lizard

[trustyside-kick]

The Lizard

[Ockham]

The Lizard.

[Bastila]

Lizard

[Anubis]

Lizard

[Apprentice]

The Lizard...barely. It depends on the battleground, in some ways, and the circumstances; if Creed goes feral, then the Lizard stands no chance. Still, I'll go with Conners.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Lizard's hide is extremely tough, stronger than ordinary reptile hide. Creed's claws and fangs may not be able to do it any damage at all.

[Anubis]

Does he still have the adamantium? He didn't look like he had it the last time I saw him in X-Men.

[Vanguard07]

Good question.... I dont remember ever hearing about him losing it (again i mean) so i would assume he still does.

[Toby_Temple]

Lizard wins this but it would be a very difficult win. Sabretooth is tough but he's not THAT tough. Even with his healing factor Sabretooth could still be knockout cold and Lizard is powerful enough to do that. He is also more agile and could move quicker and has the ferocity to match Sabretooth's.

[KevanG]

And then the Lizard would eat Sabertooth just to show that you don't **** with the Lizard! :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Lizard

[Genesis 1.0]

Ugh, this is just ugly now. Spare us more pain Sparta.

[1987olds442]

Lizard

[DACMAN]

Ok the Lizard obviously won in a landslide victory.


New fight.

Captain America
http://www.comics-unlimited.com/news/images/captain-america%20wallpaper.jpg

VS


The Punisher
http://www.moviexplosion.com/scans/punisher.jpg

[Anubis]

Cap

[incubat]

hmm..interesting, surprised it hasn't been made before

i'll go with the cap

[bkhedr]

Cap

[Harlekin]

Cap easily.

[DACMAN]

I'm gonna go with the Punisher.

It's hard. Cap has the edge on hand to hand. Frank will obviously use a gun. Cap has been shot at a hundred times and walked away. But I think the Punisher with his war backround (like Cap) his hand to hand training (like Cap, but not as good... sure) AND his love of explosions coupled with his killer instinct, he'd win. One good shot with a grenade laucher or rocket laucher and Cap's out.

[Bastila]

Cap

[1987olds442]

Is this match up Sparta* approved? :oldrazz:

[kytrigger]

^Wondering the same thing...

[DACMAN]

I got tired of waiting for a new match. The Lizard had like 15 votes while Sabretooth had like 2.

Besides, if you guys really care that much about the thread starter being the only one allowed to post matches, that's just weird. Seriously.

[kytrigger]

I got tired of waiting for a new match. The Lizard had like 15 votes while Sabretooth had like 2.

Besides, if you guys really care that much about the thread starter being the only one allowed to post matches, that's just weird. Seriously.
It's not being weird, it's called common courtesy. It's a pretty well known agreement that this thread, the Marvel/DC thread, and the DC thread only have matches posted by the thread starters, or by someone they allow to post, and you have definately been here long enough where you should know that.

[CrypticOne]

I'll go with The Punisher on this one.

[Silicon Surfer]

While Sparta has been negligent at times about keeping this thread updated three days is not all that bad. A little slow yes, enough to take over the thread he started no.

[3dman27]

cap

[Cyrusbales]

punisher is far less morale and more cunning as he's willing to do much more psychotic and cruel things. So I go for Punisher!

[Anubis]

Hadn't even realized this wasn't an official match. Sparta's gonna be pissed.

[Colossal Spoons]

^You better realize! :cmad:


FYI: All Sparta's pics are his own scans of Fleer trading cards ;)

[incubat]

Hadn't even realized this wasn't an official match. Sparta's gonna be pissed.

same here, I hadn't noticed...to coin a cliché, wait 'till sparta comes home (haha)

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg



THE SENTRY
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Sentry.png



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


HERCULES
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Sparta28/Hercules.jpg

[incubat]

sparta's back!

sentry, easily.

[Sparta*]

*This match-up was a request from Colossal Spoons!*

I'm sorry to everyone who wanted a new match-up but somedays i'm just really busy and have too much work/school. I do my best to post a match-up every couple of days or so...but if I can't for some reason just have the respect to wait a little bit longer...i've been doing this for a long time and I know the ropes...I'm still around, and I didn't forget about the thread.

^You better realize! :cmad:

FYI: All Sparta's pics are his own scans of Fleer trading cards ;)
Almost every match-up except this one :p Your request lol I don't have a card of Sentry, so I had to use a crappy pic.

[DACMAN]

It's not being weird, it's called common courtesy. It's a pretty well known agreement that this thread, the Marvel/DC thread, and the DC thread only have matches posted by the thread starters, or by someone they allow to post, and you have definately been here long enough where you should know that.
Or, is it I have been here long enough to know that it really doesn't matter? One person does it so that everyone doesn't just jump in with a new fight every two or three posts. But I've been here long enough to know that after a couple of days of there being no new characters, a thread dies or it degenerates into some kind of fanboy war. I chose to add a fight. There aren't any real rules to this.

[Vanguard07]

Welcome back Sparta...
Any chance we can get the same sorta thing as the dc/marvel vs thread? where you post location and maybe some basic scenario details?

Anyway without knowing more I'm giving this to Sentry.
Unless it's a drinking contest.

[DACMAN]

[B][SIZE=3]

I'm sorry to everyone who wanted a new match-up but somedays i'm just really busy and have too much work/school. I do my best to post a match-up every couple of days or so...but if I can't for some reason just have the respect to wait a little bit longer...i've been doing this for a long time and I know the ropes...I'm still around, and I didn't forget about the thread.



Sorry. Didn't mean to offend or anything. I've just been here long enough to know that without a new fight these kinds of threads can get ungly fast.

Plus I wanted to see that fight...:woot:

But, anyway. Sentry. Easily.

[Sparta*]

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend or anything. I've just been here long enough to know that without a new fight these kinds of threads can get ungly fast.

Plus I wanted to see that fight...:woot:

But, anyway. Sentry. Easily.

It's all good

[Sparta*]

Welcome back Sparta...
Any chance we can get the same sorta thing as the dc/marvel vs thread? where you post location and maybe some basic scenario details?

Anyway without knowing more I'm giving this to Sentry.
Unless it's a drinking contest.

...I never left lol

Sometimes I post match-up locations :o

Anyway, Colossal Spoons, this match-up is probably going to be a landslide for Sentry lol If that happens i'll put up a new fight :p

[Vanguard07]

...I never left lol

I assume that anyone I'm not currently talking to is gone.
Thus to me when I see you again, you've returned.

Only a handfull of individuals warrant a welcome for there "return". Take it while you can lol.

[Sparta*]

I assume that anyone I'm not currently talking to is gone.
Thus to me when I see you again, you've returned.

Only a handfull of individuals warrant a welcome for there "return". Take it while you can lol.

haha okay, in that case, thanks! :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Anyway, Colossal Spoons, this match-up is probably going to be a landslide for Sentry lol If that happens i'll put up a new fight :p

Heh, thing is, it'll probably happen soon to those who read Civil War. We're talking about it over thin the CW Thread. You all have to remember how unreliable and crazy Sentry is. He has a lot of potential and power but severly underuses them.

[Silicon Surfer]

Lessee Hercules who has been around fighting for 5,000 years or so vs someone who has just appeared on the scene and has had his powers and mental stability go up and down like a yo-yo already. Gee that's hard but Hercules for the win.

[Anubis]

Sentry

The thing that Herc would need to take out the Sentry would be a brain. Not saying he's stupid, but he's not smart enough to take down Sentry the only way possible, which is through his screwed up mind.

On another note, Moonstone vs Sentry would be a hell of a fight.

[Cyrusbales]

Sentry destroys hercules

[Ahura Mazda]

Sentry pretty easily

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Sentry would rip Herc to shreds.

[bkhedr]

My heart says Herc

but my head says Sentry

dammit....Sentry wins

[Genesis 1.0]

Sentry, no real contest. Hercules is a great character that I happen to enjoy alot but he's one dimensional in this match seeing as it's all hand to hand fighting, it's all grounded. Sentry has too many ways to defeat him from the air and Hercules will eventually be ground into submission because of his limitations.

Sentry.

[LadyMoira]

Sentry. Herc might have the strength but Sentry's power of a hundred suns would ultimately vaporize him.

[Genesis 1.0]

Sentry. Herc might have the strength but Sentry's power of a hundred suns would ultimately vaporize him.

It's a million exploding suns, not a hundred, and don't start that debate again.

[1987olds442]

Well with all that is said about the Sentry and his powers he could win this match easily, but have they actually showed him do the things he is suppose to be able to do? I'm just curious...

I'm going to go with Hercules for the heck of it...

[3dman27]

hercules prince of power

[Mistress Gluon]

Sentry. Not only is he physically superior, he could probably just annihilate him without much effort if he was written correctly. Hell, his stint against that super powered Xorn is enough to convince most people.

[Paloogin]

I'll go Hercules. Power v power it's a no-brainer, but I got a feeling that if Hercules could play the mind games with Robbie then he would stand a good chance. Plus I'm English, and you know we always go for the underdogs :)

[CrypticOne]

The Sentry gets my vote.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well with all that is said about the Sentry and his powers he could win this match easily, but have they actually showed him do the things he is suppose to be able to do? I'm just curious...

Exactly. Outside of his mini; he hasn't done anything too spectacular. The Super Adaptoid smacked him around pretty good and the Void had to save his arse.

[Sparta*]

I'm going to go with Herc on this one. I think his thousands of years of experience will help him pull out a win.

[spartin2008]

Hercules, Hercules :D

[Foggy Nelson]

Sentry, pretty easily aswell.

[Warhammer]

Sentry.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm going to go with Herc on this one. I think his thousands of years of experience will help him pull out a win.


Yeah, he could always throw rocks at Sentry as he gets blasted from several hundred feet above.:o

[spiderwasp]

I'm voting for Hercules because I think if raw, untrained power is better than seasoned experience, the Marvel Universe would be a very dull, predictable place.

[CanaryFan]

Herc's lack of flying ability hurts him big time but since Sentry is one of the lamest characters ever I abstain from voting this time.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm voting for Hercules because I think if raw, untrained power is better than seasoned experience, the Marvel Universe would be a very dull, predictable place.

By that twisted logic you could give a random character the power of Galactus and claim he'd lose to Jubilee, simply because she's seasoned. No, Hell no. Sometimes overwhelming advantages are just that and this match is an example.:o

And Canary Fan, I'm saddened by your refusal. I thought you were better than that.:csad:

[Sparta*]

12 - 7 is the final tally for Sentry. Not too bad...I thought Herc would do worse lol

next battle up shortly...

[Sparta*]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/NewLogo.jpg


QUASAR
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/Sparta29/Quasar.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/vs.bmp


WONDER MAN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Sparta27/Wonderman.jpg

[Sparta*]

This battle will be taking place on Earth.

The Wonder Man in this battle is his strongest version.

Quasar is circa early 90's

[3dman27]

simon

[Anubis]

Quasar

[Silicon Surfer]

Wonder Man

[spartin2008]

Quasar

[POWdER-man]

Wonder Man

[Sloth7d]

Quasar.
Btw:I can't believe people actually voted for Herc. I mean he's a cool character, but The Sentry is on a whole other level... in America.

[Sparta*]

3-3 tie so far...

[Vanguard07]

Quasar for sure.

Far better range, Far more overall power, Far more versatility.
Far more manly hair etc etc... (fear the mullet!)

[Toby_Temple]

Like Vanguard said, Quasar wins.

[CanaryFan]

I think Wonder Man would take this one.

[Guyverjay]

Quasar would Kick Wondermans ass

[greenrage36]

Nice match! Aside from the Sentry/Herc fiasco (how the Prince got *seven* votes is beyond my mental capacity!), there have been some pretty good battles lately.
On the current one..I think Quasar would be smart enough to stay outta Simon's reach, and stay there for as long as could. Sooo..even with P-Man being the more durable..I'm gonna go with the more maneuverable Quasar!

[Apprentice]

Hm...Quasar.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nice match! Aside from the Sentry/Herc fiasco (how the Prince got *seven* votes is beyond my mental capacity!), there have been some pretty good battles lately.

I suggested that match b/c of the likely CW scenario :o



I vote Quasar in this matcj-up.

[Harlekin]

Quasar without too much trouble.

[Cyrusbales]

Quasar

[Foggy Nelson]

Quasar

[incubat]

quasar, but not without a fight

[Sparta*]

I'll vote for Quasar as well...the guys got some mad skills

14 - 5 for Quasar so far...