Marvel Comics Character Tournament!!!

[incubat]

I'm sure the Iron suit had some sonic weapon or something like that, so I'll go with the Iron Spidey

[Spidey]

I'll vote symbiote because I just can't stand to look at that iron piece of junk.

[Vanguard07]

You realize that it wasnt iron at all right? And that it could look like whatever Peter wanted it to?

[Spidey]

You realize that it wasnt iron at all right? And that it could look like whatever Peter wanted it to?

It was a polymetal-alloy. Iron enough for me.

[Colossal Spoons]

Stark-armor Spidey

[Iceman]

Stark-tech!

[Spade]

I've seen Symbiote Spider-Man lay it down on Firelord (a cosmic), whereas I've seen Iron Spidey get the hell beaten out of him by no-names.

Symbiote Spider-Man for me.

[CrypticOne]

Symbiote Spider-Man

[Paloogin]

Part of me feels sorry for Belasco now. That was a pretty sound drubbing, he's probably miserable now. I mean, I know he kidnapped Magik and blah blah blah, but I just want to give him a big hug and tell him 'Hey, there's a lot of people who wouldn't stand a chance against Dr Strange. You keep your chin up, sonny Jim, good things might be just around the corner.'

As for the current matchup, I'll go for Iron Spidey. He's got extras coming out of the wazoo, guarenteed got a few tricks up his sleeve specifically for handling Venom. Plus, I like the fact that the costume makes it looks like he's wearing spats. Now that's a slick superhero.

[The Shredder]

Symbiote Spider-Man

[Phaedrus45]

hey phaedrus45! did you get my PM?

Sorry for not responding. I just saw this, and yep, I got it.

[Phaedrus45]

STARK-ARMOR SPIDEY defeats SYMBIOTE SPIDEY 11-6

[Phaedrus45]

BLASTAAR

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VS.

HOLOCAUST

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[Colossal Spoons]

I have no respect for Holocaust after the way Hyperion beat him in Exiles :(

[PemLam]

I've always seen Blastarr of something of a sissy...gotta go with Holocaust on this one.

**Though getting your energy snorted away by a juiced up Hyperion is a pretty pathetic way to get the smack down laid on you!

[Phaedrus45]

Holocaust

[Colossal Spoons]

The headbutt that cracked his casing was pretty bad too :(

[Silicon Surfer]

I'll go with Blastaar. His durability is extreme. He once endured the Torch's full nova flame for an extended time. The Hulk by contrast at that time could not endure even his regular flame and Doom wielding the Surfers Power Cosmic had to flee for his life from the Torch. Blastaar stood up to the FFs full power and was winning until Reed used one of his gizmos. Blastaar is even more powerful now. Holocaust however did stand up to Exodus in battle and survived reentry at the same time. As a yardstick for durability the Hulk was knocked unconscious for hours just from reentry alone without the battle.

[Vanguard07]

I think i'll go with Holocaust. Not sure why it just feels as though he'd walk away with it. I imagine it would be one hell of a slobernocker though.

[Spidey]

Holocaust.

[Kaboom]

holocaust

[3dman27]

STARK-ARMOR SPIDEY defeats SYMBIOTE SPIDEY 11-6

and so the iron spider armor proves good for something after all
current match BLASTARR the living bomb-burst:ff:

[CanaryFan]

Blastarr

[CrypticOne]

BLASTAAR

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VS.

HOLOCAUST

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I'll toss my vote to Holocaust.

[Blacklight]

holocaust

[incubat]

holocaust

[The Shredder]

Blastaar I guess

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Blastaar

[Canadian Rider]

Blastaar.

[Phaedrus45]

Still 24 hours before this contest ends, but Blastaar is making a comeback, with the tally at 8-6 in favor of Holocaust. (Of note: Colossal Spoons never really voted for Blastaar; so, I didn't put a vote either way in regards to him. If his vote was to be for Blastaar, then it's one point closer to a tie.)

[Anubis]

I guess Blastaar though they both kinda suck.

[Bastila]

Blastaar

[Ahura Mazda]

Blastaar

[r8hitman]

Holocaust

[Sebastos]

Blastaar

[Harlekin]

Blastaar

[Phaedrus45]

BLASTAAR defeats HOLOCAUST 11-9

[Phaedrus45]

CAPTAIN AMERICA

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VS.

DAREDEVIL

[Ahura Mazda]

Captain America I would think, but what happenned in the comic above?

[CanaryFan]

Captain America

[Spidey]

Tough, I'll have to say Cap.

[PemLam]

Cap

[Blacklight]

Daredevil has more enhanced strength and no big sheild to lug around.
My vote: The Man without Fear!

[Paloogin]

This would be a tough, tough fight, and one that I personally would pay a lot of money to see. I think if this were in a comic, Captain America would win, although looking at it as realistically as one can a comic book tussle, I'd say Daredevil takes it.

My vote goes to Mr Murdock.

[Cyrusbales]

Daredevil, he could dodge, Cap's shield easily enough.

[Phaedrus45]

I'm going with Daredevil, too.

[PemLam]

Daredevil has more enhanced strength and no big sheild to lug around.
My vote: The Man without Fear!

Daredevils strength isn't enhanced...it's the normal strength of a human who engages in regular intesive exercise. Cap's is the pinnacle of human capability so above Daredevil's level...though not superhuman.

His shield is only 12 pounds so given his extraordinary strength, the fact that his serum eliminates fatigue poisons and his decades of fighting experience with it...it's more of an extension of his own body.

Skill for skill he outclasses Daredevil.

[Harlekin]

Captain America

[Blacklight]

Daredevils strength isn't enhanced...it's the normal strength of a human who engages in regular intesive exercise. Cap's is the pinnacle of human capability so above Daredevil's level...though not superhuman.

His shield is only 12 pounds so given his extraordinary strength, the fact that his serum eliminates fatigue poisons and his decades of fighting experience with it...it's more of an extension of his own body.

Skill for skill he outclasses Daredevil.

But Daredevil's batons are way better than Cap's sheild.

[Spidey]

But Daredevil's batons are way better than Cap's sheild.

...You're joking, right?

[Silicon Surfer]

Cap

[Blacklight]

...You're joking, right?

No. His batons can turn into grappling hooks, nunchucks, staffs and can extend to hit people from long distances. Nuff said......

[Spidey]

No. His batons can turn into grappling hooks, nunchucks, staffs and can extend to hit people from long distances. Nuff said......

Dude, Captain America's shield is composed of a hybrid vibranium/adamantium-alloy that is physiologically indestructible. And having trained with such an unorthodox weapon, Cap's shield has become like "an extension of his body", as quoted from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.

I love DD, but Cap would snap his little grappletoys like brittle twigs.

[Phaedrus45]

Daredevil's scored with hotter women that Captain America!

[Vanguard07]

Dude, Captain America's shield is composed of a hybrid vibranium/adamantium-alloy that is physiologically indestructible. And having trained with such an unorthodox weapon, Cap's shield has become like "an extension of his body", as quoted from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.

I love DD, but Cap would snap his little grappletoys like brittle twigs.


Uniquely treated vibranium alloy. There's no Adamantium in it. You're right that it's much better than DD's batons but still there are some details i'll always be compelled to pick at.

[PemLam]

Uniquely treated vibranium alloy. There's no Adamantium in it. You're right that it's much better than DD's batons but still there are some details i'll always be compelled to pick at.

Heck yeah...it can be used as a sled in the winter time, a platter for chips, a veggie tray and who knows how many other uses! :oldrazz:

[Vanguard07]

Or just as a frisbee with some friends on a warm summer day....
One time I went camping and forgot to bring dishes so I ended up eating all of my meals off of a frisbee. I could see Cap doing that with his shield at some point.


.... oh yeah I vote for Cap btw.

[Anubis]

I'm gonna go with DD for the upset.

[Bastila]

Capt.

[DACMAN]

Cap. Easy.

[DACMAN]

No. His batons can turn into grappling hooks, nunchucks, staffs and can extend to hit people from long distances. Nuff said......

Cap can through his shield making it a long distance weapon. Not to mention the baton can be destroyed. Unlike the shield.

[Toby_Temple]

Captain America. He's more skilled in combat and has more experience. Bu then again, he's dead and DD's just blind. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Cap FTW

[The Shredder]

Cap

[Spade]

Captain America gets my vote.

[incubat]

cap!

[3dman27]

the star spangled avenger

[PemLam]

Captain America. He's more skilled in combat and has more experience. Bu then again, he's dead and DD's just blind. :(

Yeah...the being dead thing might affect the outcome a little. :woot:

...but his rotting corpse would overwhelm DD's super sense of smell, causing him to pass out from the stench; either way, it's a win for Cap.

[Lobo]

Cap.

[Phaedrus45]

CAPTAIN AMERICA defeats DAREDEVIL 16-5

(This one ends earlier than the others to put up the weekend battle, which will be put up soon.)

[Phaedrus45]

SINISTER SIX (VULTURE, ELECTRO, SANDMAN, MYSTERIO, DOC OCK., KRAVEN)

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VS.

FANTASTIC FOUR

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[Spidey]

Against that line-up of the Six, I'll vote Fantastic Four.

[Phaedrus45]

This kind of takes care of two requests in one: Sinister Six vs. F4 and Mr. Fantastic vs. Sandman. The second request will likely be done at a much later time; but, any more ideas are welcomed by anyone. As I said, just PM me any ideas.

[Phaedrus45]

Cool battle that someone gave us the idea for. If the characters had prep-time to think about the battle, I'd instantly go with the Fantastic Four. But, as this is the two meeting without any prep, I'm thinking the following:

Kraven is pretty useless, especially when facing the Fantastic Four. I don't see him giving any of them problems.

Sandman would be tough; but, Sue or Johnny should be able to handle him.

I see Mr. Fantastic taking on Doc Ock and winning.

Johnny can easily take out the Vulture.

Electro could be handled. The one that gives the Sinister Six the win is Mysterio. He sways it for me in the Sinister Six's favor. If it wasn't for him, the F4 would win.

[Spidey]

If the Vulture and Kraven were swapped out for Venom and GG, the Six would have my vote.

[Silicon Surfer]

The FF

[Bastila]

Fantastic Four

[Anubis]

FF easy. Even if Osbourne and Slimy pants were included. it's the f**kin' FF!

[Blacklight]

Fantastic Four! :f4:

[Vanguard07]

Without prep time this could easilly go to the Six. Mysterio counters Sue richards somewhat (although not directly offensively) and is a huge advantage to his side effectively blinding and/or disorienting the FF making it easier for the other members of the six.

Electro is hugely powerful although not that bright. He'd be an asset against any devices reed had on hand as well as able to bring down any of them (except maybe Ben).

Sandman is also quite powerful and could throw down with Ben reasonably successfully.

Kraven and Vulture arent of any obvious value in a straight up fight but out of the FF only 2 are really invulnerable. Stealth and Skill could easilly take down sue or Johnny. With Mysterio preventing them from seeing it coming they could prove usefull.

Octavius is somewhat of a foil for Reed intellectually (although not at the same level obviously) and Physically his arms could be a threat to any of the FF.

Realistically I'd give this one to the Six because of the advantage in numbers and the overall raw power that the two teams possess are roughly equal.

[PemLam]

FF

Sue could pretty much do it on her own...
Johnny could go Nova and end it in less than a second...
Reed and Ben could be back-ups, just in case.

I don't go by the silly notion that they don't take lives and always fight with restraint. It's combat...winner take all...loser gets nothing.

[Cyrusbales]

F4, as much as I hate them:(

[Silicon Surfer]

Johnny could defeat them on his own. Electricity is weakened by heat making Electro useless against the Torch. Even if Ock has adamantium tentacles it does not good since Johnny can destroy adamantium. Wide area attacks can be used to simply ignore Mysterios illusions. Sue can potentially counter the illusions anyway by selectively making parts of them invisible to see what is behind them.

[3dman27]

ff:ff:

[CanaryFan]

Fantastic Four

[Sebastos]

The Fantastic Four.

[The Shredder]

The FF

[Harlekin]

Fantastic Four

[Paloogin]

Yeah, I'd go for the Four in that matchup. That six isn't the premier Six for me.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

The Fasntastic:ff:

[Phaedrus45]

THE FANTASTIC FOUR defeats THE ORIGINAL SINISTER SIX 14-2

(Next match-up is from current World War Hulk tie-in. I'm figuring how Marvel will decide; but, let's see what the readers think.)

[Phaedrus45]

(WORLD WAR) HULK

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VS.

(CURRENT) GHOST RIDER

[Silicon Surfer]

Ghost Rider

[Spade]

World War Hulk. The way they portray him, God could come down and Hulk would pwn him. Not to say that's a good thing...

[Anubis]

GR :mad:

[Spidey]

WW Hulk.

[Blacklight]

Hulk

[hulkkk]

The best match of them all would be a symbiote match, with venom, toxin, scream and carnage! THERE WOULD BE SYMBIOTES FLYING EVERY WHERE !!!!!!!! :cmad:
The picture below is toxin. He's the offspring of carnage and carnage came from venom. So thats why he is red and black.:dry:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/toxin3.jpg

[Blacklight]

The best match of them all would be a symbiote match, with venom, toxin, scream and carnage! THERE WOULD BE SYMBIOTES FLYING EVERY WHERE !!!!!!!! :cmad:
The picture below is toxin. He's the offspring of carnage and carnage came from venom. So thats why he is red and black.:dry:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/toxin3.jpg

and Agony, Phage, Lasher, and Riot (Carnage's Brothers and Sisters)

[Ahura Mazda]

WWH - just because if he is appearing in a GR comic it is not to be defeated by him.

[3dman27]

GR :mad:

true

[Vanguard07]

In the comics Hulk's gonna win. How it should happen based on the characters respective abilities i'd vote for GR.

[Phaedrus45]

In the comics Hulk's gonna win. How it should happen based on the characters respective abilities i'd vote for GR.

I agree. Hulk will probably win; but, I think Ghost Rider would take him.

[Phaedrus45]

The best match of them all would be a symbiote match, with venom, toxin, scream and carnage! THERE WOULD BE SYMBIOTES FLYING EVERY WHERE !!!!!!!! :cmad:
The picture below is toxin. He's the offspring of carnage and carnage came from venom. So thats why he is red and black.:dry:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/toxin3.jpg

So, would you want a Symbiote battle royale, or a contest of symbiotes where the winners move on to find out the toughest symbiote of them all?

[Cyrusbales]

GR should take him, although as with the comic book world, it'll prob go down differently.

[incubat]

ghost rider

[Phaedrus45]

So far, Ghost Rider is beating Hulk 6-4 (it might actually be 7-4, but I couldn't tell if 3dman as giving his vote to GH or not by saying "true.")

[3dman27]

So far, Ghost Rider is beating Hulk 6-4 (it might actually be 7-4, but I couldn't tell if 3dman as giving his vote to GH or not by saying "true.")

as a matter of fact i WAS/AM voting for the rider:ghost:

[hulkkk]

So, would you want a Symbiote battle royale, or a contest of symbiotes where the winners move on to find out the toughest symbiote of them all?


:wow: BATTLE MAN!!!:wow:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

The Rider

[Anubis]

Please don't do any symbiote s**t.

[hulkkk]

Stuff you man!! Symbiotes are mad!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Toxin5.jpg

[Spade]

Let's calm down and forget it was even mentioned until a character comes up, okay?

[Phaedrus45]

edit...wrong forum

[Phaedrus45]

Please don't do any symbiote s**t.

I like to make sure most voters get matches they'd like to see, while trying to think of some that might be of interest myself. I'll do this last one next week, and I'll hold off on symbiotes for at least a month to make ya happy. How is that?

[Phaedrus45]

GHOST RIDER defeats (WORLD WAR) HULK 8-4

[Phaedrus45]

ANNIHILATION SILVER SURFER

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VS.

ANNIHILATION NOVA

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[Spade]

Annihilation Silver Surfer.

[Phaedrus45]

I know many mark out to Nova lately...but, Silver Surfer takes this match. He's got the experience, while Nova is....Nova.

[Spidey]

The Surfer.

[CanaryFan]

The Surfer

[Blacklight]

Power Cosmic baby! [AUSTIN POWERS] YEAH BABY YEAH! [/AUSTIN POWERS]

[incubat]

surfer

[kamesan]

Nova

[Anubis]

Surfer

[hulkkk]

Most likely, the Silver Surfer.:cwink:

http://media.movieweb.com/news/12.2006/silverSurfer.jpg

[Silicon Surfer]

The Surfer

[The Shredder]

The Silver Surfer

[Vanguard07]

LoL Surfer. Nova's awesome but I dont think he's quite made it to the "big leagues". I mean there's powerful and then there's cosmic. Surfer's cosmic.


.... and not in the beta ray bill way.

[3dman27]

the man called NOVA :ninja:

[Bastila]

Surfer

[Ahura Mazda]

Surfer

[Sebastos]

Surfer.

[Harlekin]

Silver Surfer. Even if Nova can match him in power (can he?), Surfer still has more experience.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Surfer.

[Phaedrus45]

SILVER SURFER defeats NOVA 16-2

[Phaedrus45]

THANOS

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VS.

PHOENIX (JEAN GREY)

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[Iceman]

^ would have voted Surfer

[Spidey]

Thanos

[Iceman]

Current Match: Thanos - he has the brains to know what it takes to win this (very closely) & can adapt for his opponent.

[Cyrusbales]

Thanos

[Blacklight]

phoenix

[Spade]

Phoenix. Thanos may be wily, but in the presence of someone who's not a moron in her own respect and who commands far-greater powers I just don't feel he'd win.

[Arkady Rossovich]

If Phoenix was at her Claremont-Byrne state,then she would win.Any other time,Thanos would win.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nova probably would've been "regular" Surfer level, possibly plus. But with the Surfer having an upgrade....


Either way, I'm assuming it's not Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, so Phoenix.

[Silicon Surfer]

Phoenix easily.

[The Shredder]

Phoenix I suppose.

[3dman27]

pheonix

[PemLam]

Phoenix

[Bastila]

Phoenix!!!

[Harlekin]

Thanos

[incubat]

phoenix

[CanaryFan]

Thanos

[r8hitman]

Phoenix.

(quite easily I might add.)

Thanos has only been just recently boosted to this "supreme level" that he's at now.

IMO (a reader from the early 80's) to me Thanos is on a Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, and Captain Marvel level....

Phoenix is on the same level as someone like Galactus.

Thanos gets beaten like a red headed step child.

[r8hitman]

And about that Captain America Vs. Daredevil fight....

Cap would beat the living daylights out of that blind idiot.

LOL!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/r8hitman/superheroes%20IV/Captain20America002.jpg

THUMBS UP SOLDIER!:up:

[incubat]

And about that Captain America Vs. Daredevil fight....

Cap would beat the living daylights out of that blind idiot.

LOL!



THUMBS UP SOLDIER!:up:

ok.....:huh:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thanos

[Ahura Mazda]

Pheonix

[Sebastos]

Phoenix.

[Canadian Rider]

THANOS

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VS.

PHOENIX (JEAN GREY)

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Jean as Phoenix would just attack his mind ... match over. If Prof X. had a hard time fighting Phoenix, Thanos wouldn't be much of a match.

[Phaedrus45]

Thanos!

[Phaedrus45]

PHOENIX defeats THANOS 14-7

[Phaedrus45]

SISTER GRIMM

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VS.

SCARLET WITCH (before Bendis)

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[Spidey]

BEFORE Bendis? Sister Grimm.

[CanaryFan]

Wanda

[Blacklight]

Witch

[Colossal Spoons]

Tough one. Nico having to verbalize her spells is the downside. Wanda only has to think it.

[3dman27]

wanda

[Bastila]

Witch

[Canadian Rider]

Wanda

[PemLam]

Grimm

[incubat]

wanda

[Silicon Surfer]

Wanda

[The Shredder]

Wanda

[Vanguard07]

Scarlet Witch. Even before bendis she did become fairly formidable (i'm thinking the time period that had her bringing Wonderman back from the dead, channeling energy through the twilight sword etc)

Classic Scarlet Witch was like classic Invisible Girl though. Great potential for power, never did anything with it but get in trouble.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Scarlet Witch

[Arkady Rossovich]

BEFORE Bendis? Sister Grimm.

Your kidding.Before Bendis,The Scarter Witch was actually more powerfull.Ask any old time Avengers reader.

My choice in the Scarlet Witch.:trans:

[Spidey]

Your kidding.Before Bendis,The Scarter Witch was actually more powerfull.Ask any old time Avengers reader.

My choice in the Scarlet Witch.:trans:

Okay, I'll ask you then. How was she more powerful?

[Vanguard07]

well deffinitely not more powerfull but i'd buy more formidable.... what with being bats*** crazy and thus at a relatively large disadvantage.

[Phaedrus45]

Scarlet Witch

[Phaedrus45]

SCARLET WITCH defeats SISTER GRIMM 13-2

[Phaedrus45]

FALCON AND REDWING

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VS.

KA-ZAR AND SABU

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[Harlekin]

Ka-Zar and Zabu.

[Vanguard07]

I'll go with the big cat.

[Silicon Surfer]

Ka-Zar and Zabu

[CanaryFan]

Ka zar and Zabu

[Phaedrus45]

I'm going Falcon and Redwing. Falcon has the advantage of seeing through Redwing's eyes, and Ka-Zar and Sabu won't be able to get at Redwing as he relays the information to Falcon. Not only that, but "that ability has grown into the ability to telepathically communicate with any birds within an unknown radius." Plus, Falcon has been trained by the best: Captain America. Finally, Falcon also has a light-weight flight apparatus given to him by Black Panther.

[Silicon Surfer]

Marvel.com lists Ka-Zar's stats as better than Falcon's including fighting skills. While flight is a huge advantage, pitting Redwing against a Sabretooth cat who IIRC once held his own against Wolverine is terribly one sided.

[Spidey]

Ka-Zar and his pet cat.

[Batmansince1939]

Falcon and Redwing

[Spade]

Ka-Zar and Zabu.

[The Shredder]

Ka zar and Zabu

[incubat]

falcon and redwing

[3dman27]

ka-zar&zabu

[PemLam]

Kazar and Zaub

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Zabu, with a little help from Kazar.

[Ahura Mazda]

Kazar, the big cat being the trump card in my book

[Paloogin]

I think Ka-Zar versus Falcon would be fairly even I reckon. But with the addition of a bird on Sam's side and Ka-Zar being backed up by a big snarling cat, the odds go way into the favour of the man with the loincloth.

KaZar and Zabu

[Phaedrus45]

Marvel.com lists Ka-Zar's stats as better than Falcon's including fighting skills. While flight is a huge advantage, pitting Redwing against a Sabretooth cat who IIRC once held his own against Wolverine is terribly one sided.

The thing is it's not just Redwing against Sabu, but any bird within a certain radius. You peck out Sabu's and Ka-zar's eyes, lets see how well they fight.

[Silicon Surfer]

That does make it a little harder but it may just mean that Zabu stuffs himself with poultry. Sabretooth cats weighed a thousand pounds or more. It would take a lot of birds to really make a difference. The real advantage that they have is the ability to fly which enables them to attack and withdraw when they choose. This is a hard ability to overcome but the raw power difference I think makes it possible. Multitudes of birds make the fight harder but most of them will go down to a single swipe of Zabu's claws, maybe even several at once.

[Canadian Rider]

After Zabu eats the bird, Kazar and Zabu just double team the flying man ... Team Jungle FTW IMO

[Vanguard07]

I think Ka-Zar versus Falcon would be fairly even I reckon. But with the addition of a bird on Sam's side and Ka-Zar being backed up by a big snarling cat, the odds go way into the favour of the man with the loincloth.

KaZar and Zabu


The man with the loincloth always has the odds on his side. Respect the loincloth.

[Silicon Surfer]

A tougher match to call might have been Ka-Zar and Zabu against Kitty and Lockheed.

[PemLam]

A tougher match to call might have been Ka-Zar and Zabu against Kitty and Lockheed.

That wouldn't have been remotely close...Lockheed could fry them both from a distance and neither of them could touch Kitty.

[Canadian Rider]

Lockheed can only breath a certain volume a certain distance correct? I would think that the cat might get cooked, but Ka-zar would grab something and bring the flyer down ... maybe throw his loincloth and kitty would pass out from surprise / delight?

[PemLam]

Lockheed can only breath a certain volume a certain distance correct? I would think that the cat might get cooked, but Ka-zar would grab something and bring the flyer down ... maybe throw his loincloth and kitty would pass out from surprise / delight?

She's been with the "big" russian...so I doubt Kazar has anything more impressive.

Lockheed fried some of the big azz bugs (black triangle shaped bugs with tiny legs) from quite a distance in the X-men book where Kitty trashes much of the mansion and the Blackbird. (Can't remember the particular issue but it's been quite a while.)

[Harlekin]

The Brood. The story in which Lockheed was introduced.

[Paloogin]

I hadn't fully thought of the advantage of the loincloth, but now that I do I realise it's a masterstroke. As well as being delightfully non-constrictive (as I can imagine the standard superhero jumpsuit would not be), it would put your opponent in a constant state of unease. I mean it's not enough that you'd be able to see his sclong flobbing around as he fights, which would just be off-putting, but you'd also have to constantly be aware of it's position, so you wouldn't touch it. Cos come on, superheroism aside, no one wants to touch another man's dinkle.

[Phaedrus45]

KA-ZAR and ZABU defeat FALCON and REDWING 13-3

[Phaedrus45]

U.S. AGENT

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VS.

UNION JACK

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[PemLam]

US all the way!

[Phaedrus45]

No way! Union Jack takes this one. US Agent is a chump!

[The Shredder]

Usagent.

[Vanguard07]

USagent. Significantly stronger, just as skilled. Better armed (Shield, plus stun baton, plus guns) Fairly badass.

He earned a fair bit of my respect in Omega Flight so far.

[Phaedrus45]

But, in Union Jack's bio it states:

Like those who held the title of Union Jack before him, Joey Chapman is an athlete in peak physical condition. In addition, his strength, speed, and endurance are enhanced by the Power of the Pendragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Pendragon). He carries on the Union Jack tradition by using a Webley .455 pistol and a silver dagger. His costume is also bullet-resistant.

While his Power Of The Pendragon isn't as significant as it used to be when he was with the Knights of the Pendragon, he still has it to a lesser degree.

[Vanguard07]

UsAgents in the 10 ton range isnt he?

I think the best I heard for Union Jack's strength was 3 tons? Could be wrong on this.

[Blacklight]

US Agent

[Spidey]

US Agent

[incubat]

union jack

[3dman27]

usagent

[Ahura Mazda]

US Agent

[Batmansince1939]

Union Jack

[Harlekin]

U.S. Agent

[Bastila]

Union Jack

[Lobo]

US Agent

[Anubis]

Jack.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Union Jack

[LouFerignoDemon]

Danny Rand, since he'll be dressed up as whoever wins. (Which would be USAgent).

[3dman27]

Danny Rand, since he'll be dressed up as whoever wins. (Which would be USAgent).

lol:ninja:

[CanaryFan]

Union Jack

[Dedpool]

U.S. Agent

[Phaedrus45]

USAgent defeats UNION JACK 11-7

[Phaedrus45]

X-FACTOR

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VS.

OMEGA FLIGHT

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[PemLam]

Omega Flight in an embarrassingly easy fashion.

[Silicon Surfer]

While Omega Flight is much more powerful overall they don't have anyone who can withstand Siryn's power and most of the Omegans are worse than useless against Madrox. Beta Ray Bill, Sasquatch U.S. Agent, and Arachne can't hurt Madrox, all they can do is make more copies of Madrox to fight. I'll pick X-Factor.

[3dman27]

omega flight

[Dedpool]

Gotta go with Omega Flight.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The ol' Horse Hammer pretty much makes it one sided.

Though M's strength and durability are totally unexplored, and her telepathy is on the development.

[PemLam]

While Omega Flight is much more powerful overall they don't have anyone who can withstand Siryn's power and most of the Omegans are worse than useless against Madrox. Beta Ray Bill, Sasquatch U.S. Agent, and Arachne can't hurt Madrox, all they can do is make more copies of Madrox to fight. I'll pick X-Factor.

Absolute control of the weather means multiple lightning strikes to all the little Maddrox's running around...fish in a barrel! :woot:

[Phaedrus45]

I'm going with X-Factor. While Omega Flight does have some impressive people on the roster, they still don't know how to work as well as a group. The people on X-Factor have had numerous training with various mutant teams, giving them that advantage.

[Vanguard07]

Omega Flight.
Talisman, Beta Ray Bill, Sasquatch and probably the new guardian from what we've seen so far could each take the entirety of X-factor by their respective selves with relative ease.

Just for sake of argument i'll break it down somewhat.

-Sasquatch vs Strong Guy: Sasquatch hands down.

-M vs Talisman: Talisman is a high order mystic. Dr Strange level. M could potentially get the drop on her but I dont see it happening that way. Just cause X-factor needs the help lets call this one a draw.

-Syrin vs Arachne: I'd give this one to Syrin. A more widespread attack that Arachne's got no counter for.

-Madrox vs Guardian: Now Guardian's a newbie so Madrox would likely surprise him a fair bit and keep him on his toes but from what we've seen Guardian is damn powerful... one might say goddamn powerfull even. Chances are he'd eventually just let loose and blast the crap out of the Madroxi putting them all down at once. God knows Madrox has got no real way of taking the Guardian out.

UsAgent vs Rahne: Usagent. would take this one. He's dealt with much worse. She'd keep him occupied for a while if the fight stayed as a series of one on ones but I doubt she'd be able to do much more than keep him busy.

so that leaves... what? Beta Ray Bill against.... Rictor and Layla Miller?
Two powerless people, one of whom "knows stuff" against someone who can shatter planets and take on heralds of galactus.

In the end Syrin, and MAYBE M would be left for X-factor and they'd have no options left at all except to run the hell away. They sure as hell couldnt take down Beta Ray, or likely Guardian or Sasquatch either.

This'd be a blowout.

[Silicon Surfer]

Absolute control of the weather means multiple lightning strikes to all the little Maddrox's running around...fish in a barrel! :woot:

The voltage that drives a lightning bolt is kinetic energy. Every lighning bolt would simply result in more copies of Madrox. The same would be true of Hudsons energy zap which is also electrical in nature the last time I knew. That was one of the things they deliberately threw in when they made the character. He is maddeningly difficult to fight.

[Dedpool]

The voltage that drives a lightning bolt is kinetic energy. Every lighning bolt would simply result in more copies of Madrox. The same would be true of Hudsons energy zap which is also electrical in nature the last time I knew. That was one of the things they deliberately threw in when they made the character. He is maddeningly difficult to fight.

Maybe this belongs in the stupid question thread, but doesn't Jamie have an upper limit of something like 50 dupes which he is capable of producing?

[Bastila]

X-factor

[Blacklight]

I say DOOP!
I mean X-Factor

[Silicon Surfer]

Maybe this belongs in the stupid question thread, but doesn't Jamie have an upper limit of something like 50 dupes which he is capable of producing?

No, no limits to his dupes. In addition each is in essence an original so you can't beat the others by taking out the "original". Unless they have changed things Talisman's magic is only in response to other magic. If her opponents have no magic, and they don't, then neither does she. While fairly powerful at least in the early days she was far short of Strange's level.

Since X-Factor has a telepath to coordinate things they have a tactical advantage over Omega Flight even without the ability to read the opponents minds to find out their tactics. This should be enough to allow Siryn first attack. Arachne, Talisman, U.S. Agent, and Sasquatch go down without a fight to a wide area attack. Guardian and Bill should withstand this attack although with momentary stunning on Bills part. While M goes after Guardian Siryn refines her sonic attack to her trademark sonic lance and Bill goes down. Guardian does what he originally did against Banshee he runs like hell.

[Dedpool]

No, no limits to his dupes. In addition each is in essence an original so you can't beat the others by taking out the "original".

Scary. I'd say he's nearly qualified to be an omega-level mutant with that type of power, no?

[CanaryFan]

Omega Flight

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, no limits to his dupes. In addition each is in essence an original so you can't beat the others by taking out the "original". Unless they have changed things Talisman's magic is only in response to other magic. If her opponents have no magic, and they don't, then neither does she. While fairly powerful at least in the early days she was far short of Strange's level.

Since X-Factor has a telepath to coordinate things they have a tactical advantage over Omega Flight even without the ability to read the opponents minds to find out their tactics. This should be enough to allow Siryn first attack. Arachne, Talisman, U.S. Agent, and Sasquatch go down without a fight to a wide area attack. Guardian and Bill should withstand this attack although with momentary stunning on Bills part. While M goes after Guardian Siryn refines her sonic attack to her trademark sonic lance and Bill goes down. Guardian does what he originally did against Banshee he runs like hell.

While I agree with most of it... The sonic lance SHOULDN'T be capable of removing Bill from the field in one or two shots.

[PemLam]

The voltage that drives a lightning bolt is kinetic energy. Every lighning bolt would simply result in more copies of Madrox. The same would be true of Hudsons energy zap which is also electrical in nature the last time I knew. That was one of the things they deliberately threw in when they made the character. He is maddeningly difficult to fight.

No need to strike him directly with the Lightning, as each bolt is in the millions of degrees, he could simply be flash fried. Or picked up with a tornado and tossed into a couple miles out to sea, or hit with a mini god-blast, or Bill could simply grab him and slowly crush the life from him...no kinetic energy there. (And grabbing him eliminates the threat of Siryn using distance attacks).