View Full Version : Just saw "An Evening w/Kevin Smith"
Chris Wallace
03-26-2005, 06:37 PM
And I sincerely hope Jon Peters is no longer affiliated w/this production. He knows less about Supes than Schumacher knows about Batman.
lujho
03-27-2005, 03:25 PM
He still is, but that doesn't mean much. He doesn't seem to have any creative input this time around - WB are seemingly letting Singer do what he wants.
Peters also produced the first 2 Batman movies.
Rob-el
03-27-2005, 06:50 PM
I fairly confident that Peters is associated in name only. It was probably cheaper for WB to keep him and his production company "associated" with the flick than buying out the contract. Singer is running the show (he is a Producer on the movie as well after all). Although as an inside joke I think it would be funny if they could somehow inncorporate a small scene where a polar bear steps on a spider to the shrieks of Jimmy!
Chris Wallace
03-27-2005, 07:00 PM
That's sick, Rob. And only a handful of people would get it.
Rob-el
03-27-2005, 07:04 PM
That's sick, Rob. And only a handful of people would get it.
Oh I don't know - I'm sure anyone who has followed the soap opera that this movie's development has become would get it right away!
igotatromboner
03-27-2005, 09:11 PM
Dude, that is an awesome documentary (it was a documentary right?). Never laughed so hard at anything like I did with that Jon Peters story. But personally, I would love to see a little black gay robot in every movie.
Chris Wallace
03-27-2005, 11:52 PM
Off-topic, but the Prince story was just as funny.
superfever
03-28-2005, 03:52 AM
I fairly confident that Peters is associated in name only. It was probably cheaper for WB to keep him and his production company "associated" with the flick than buying out the contract. Singer is running the show (he is a Producer on the movie as well after all). Although as an inside joke I think it would be funny if they could somehow inncorporate a small scene where a polar bear steps on a spider to the shrieks of Jimmy!
but he got the credits. just like batman 1 & 2.
Superman
03-28-2005, 05:27 AM
I saw it last night, I can't believe that ass is still with the Superman movie. :eek:
Kevin is funny as hell in that :up: :D
I got the dvd of it. Smith is great, and yeah I'd say the Prince story is as funny as the Peters.
Chris Wallace
03-28-2005, 08:57 PM
The only problem w/this thread is that only those who've seen it have any clue what we're talking about. And it should damn near be required viewing for comic fans, & Supes fans in particular. Y'all need to know what a tremendous bullet was dodged, & why Burton should not be suggested for every damn comic book project.
Motown Marvel
03-31-2005, 09:30 PM
i love this DVD...and just tolet you know, they're coming out with an evening with kevin smith part 2: harder and harder.
Chris Wallace
04-03-2005, 06:51 PM
When? And when was it shot?
GLREBORN
04-07-2005, 08:42 AM
Kevin Smith is a Jerk.
If he spend more time just being a film maker and not being lazy, his jokes might mean something more then just those of a loud mouth moran.
Chris Wallace
04-08-2005, 08:33 PM
What's wrong, Morg? Are you failing to see the relevance of that post? It's simple...okay, I got nothin'.
Michael Corleone
04-08-2005, 08:43 PM
Kevin Smith is a Jerk.
If he spend more time just being a film maker and not being lazy, his jokes might mean something more then just those of a loud mouth moran.
A valid point for a 5 year old.
P. Cushing
04-16-2005, 01:21 AM
He knows less about Supes than Schumacher knows about Batman.
About 90% of noncomic book readers know less about Batman than Schumacher. Now the WB execs who thought Batman should be lighter than the final cut of BF on the other hand.
P. Cushing
04-16-2005, 01:29 AM
If he spend more time just being a film maker and not being lazy, his jokes might mean something more then just those of a loud mouth moran.
A Moran? Do you mean he's the decendant of Colonel Sebastian Moran from the Sherlock Holmes story "The Empty House"?
Then who is Moriarty? Maybe Jon Peters is Moriarty and he just pretends to be an ignorant jackass and Smith just pretends to hate him!
Riven
04-16-2005, 07:31 PM
Jon Peters should stay as far away from this movie as possible.
That said, I also think Kevin Smith should stay as far away from this movie as possible. He's a nice guy supposedly and a reasonable director for the kinds of films he does... but he's also living proof that being a fanboy does not a good superhero writer make.
logan_weapon_x
04-16-2005, 07:32 PM
Kevin Smith is a Jerk.
If he spend more time just being a film maker and not being lazy, his jokes might mean something more then just those of a loud mouth moran.
moron even?
Motown Marvel
04-17-2005, 03:14 AM
That said, I also think Kevin Smith should stay as far away from this movie as possible. He's a nice guy supposedly and a reasonable director for the kinds of films he does... but he's also living proof that being a fanboy does not a good superhero writer make.
how do you figure? if you've read his daredevil and green arrow comics you should realize that he's great when writing superheroes. and i can guarantee you that if he had the oppertunity to write a superman script without being restricted by jon peters ignorant directives, it'd be an amazing superman story.
Carter
04-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Kevin Smith needs to get off his lazy ass and turn in his comic book projects on time
Nightwing5
04-17-2005, 03:05 PM
how do you figure? if you've read his daredevil and green arrow comics you should realize that he's great when writing superheroes. and i can guarantee you that if he had the oppertunity to write a superman script without being restricted by jon peters ignorant directives, it'd be an amazing superman story.
I would love to see him take a crack at writing the script for a Daredevil sequel.
As for his Superman Lives script, I read it, and it is really not all that great as everyone makes it out to be, but I enjoyed it.
Motown Marvel
04-17-2005, 03:21 PM
I would love to see him take a crack at writing the script for a Daredevil sequel.
As for his Superman Lives script, I read it, and it is really not all that great as everyone makes it out to be, but I enjoyed it.
he's already refused to write DD2 (besides, they need to let me write it :D). and the superman lives script was written under jon peters ignorant directives....like i said above, if he got to write the script with the same freedom singer/harris/dougherty got, it'd be a fantastic script.
Riven
04-17-2005, 03:51 PM
how do you figure? if you've read his daredevil and green arrow comics you should realize that he's great when writing superheroes. and i can guarantee you that if he had the oppertunity to write a superman script without being restricted by jon peters ignorant directives, it'd be an amazing superman story.
His comicbook work is decent enough I suppose, but I don't like his movie writing mostly. And I've read his Superman Lives script and I thought it flat out sucked. And yes, I realise a lot of the potential was quenched by Jon Peters' idiotic meddling, but I've read several interviews with Smith stating which parts of the script were his favorites (those parts he didn't let Peters touch) and... I thought those sucked the most. The Mt Rushmore scene he was particularly proud (he calls it the core of the story) of and it was soooo bleh. Otherwise the script was mediocre, unfunny when it attempted comedy and irritating in trying to be hip and contemporary.
Sorry, I just don't like Smith's writing and especially Superman Lives.
Chris Wallace
04-17-2005, 09:22 PM
he's already refused to write DD2 (besides, they need to let me write it :D). and the superman lives script was written under jon peters ignorant directives....like i said above, if he got to write the script with the same freedom singer/harris/dougherty got, it'd be a fantastic script.
Probably.
Chris Wallace
04-17-2005, 09:23 PM
And apart from his perpetual lateness (and the fact that 3 years later I still don't know if Black Cat got raped or how the hell "The Target" ended), what's wrong w/his comic writing?
Motown Marvel
04-18-2005, 02:12 AM
And apart from his perpetual lateness (and the fact that 3 years later I still don't know if Black Cat got raped or how the hell "The Target" ended), what's wrong w/his comic writing?
when i spoke with kevin at WWLA he told me that the scripts for the spidey/black cat story ARE finally done...and trust me, he feels like crap for their lateness...he's kicking himself more than any angry fanboy is about that topic. as for DD:Target...i dont know. it'd almost be better if they just didnt do anything with it since they only got 1 book out. it was funny though, because i had to remind kevin who the artist was that was drawing DD:Target...it'd been so long he forgot :D
BH/HHH
04-29-2005, 05:38 PM
I thought it was really funny.
Chris Wallace
05-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Does anybody have a link to Smith's script?
BH/HHH
05-07-2005, 03:25 AM
http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/supermanlives_kevin_smith.txt
Chris Wallace
05-15-2005, 09:01 PM
I just finished reading it & didn't think it was all that bad. Granted, most of Jon Peters' B.S. was conspicuously absent from it, but if they'd cut out the rest of it I wouldn't mind seeing that movie! Hell, even with the giant spider & the polar bears it wasn't bad.
I actually think this is the direction they should've gone in, where Superman is an established character-we don't need to see Krypton explode again, & Lex is his bitter rival, w/no ties to the Donner films.
ruhanv
05-17-2005, 06:34 AM
I can't agree with that. Kevin Smith's script has some of the worst dialogue ever put on paper. The scenes between Supes and Lois were cheesy as hell and the eradicator suit would have been utter crap. If you were a 10 year old comic fan then it would have worked for you but the majority of people would have been dissappointed.
BH/HHH
05-17-2005, 12:54 PM
Yeah the dialogue is terrible.
GLREBORN
05-18-2005, 08:38 AM
The Kevin Smith Cult here do not listen to anyone who hates Smith both as a person and as a film maker. They all smoke weed.
ruhanv
05-18-2005, 09:25 AM
The Kevin Smith Cult here do not listen to anyone who hates Smith both as a person and as a film maker. They all smoke weed.
Well I love Smith (and I smoke weed) but he would just make a horrible Superman director and screenwriter. I would not get George Lucas to direct a Silent Bob movie nor Singer to do Star Wars... hold on that would be cool... but you know what I mean. Smith is a comic book fan but just because you are a fan it does not mean that you can direct a superman film...
Chris Wallace
05-20-2005, 09:25 PM
1-he was never intended to be the director.
2-don't make generalizations like that; liking his stuff doesn't make you a cult or any of that other nonsense.
3-dialogue can be-and usually is-tweaked between page & screen.
4-I'm entitled to my opinion!
Lobster Bob
05-22-2005, 05:54 AM
The Kevin Smith Cult here do not listen to anyone who hates Smith both as a person and as a film maker. They all smoke weed.Wrong on both counts.
I just finished reading it & didn't think it was all that bad. Granted, most of Jon Peters' B.S. was conspicuously absent from it, but if they'd cut out the rest of it I wouldn't mind seeing that movie! Hell, even with the giant spider & the polar bears it wasn't bad.
I actually think this is the direction they should've gone in, where Superman is an established character-we don't need to see Krypton explode again, & Lex is his bitter rival, w/no ties to the Donner films.
You do realise that (aside from the connection to the Donner films, which is something that is there only because if Superman is established they are the only reference that people really have and are pretty much an inherint association) that is EXACTLY what we are getting?
An established Superman, with out a simple rehash of his origin, and where "Lex is his bitter rival."
BH/HHH
06-01-2005, 02:38 AM
I bought the Evening withKevin Smith DVD last week and it was awesome what I didn't get was on disc 1 when that guy interupted him when he was talking about Tim Burton. Was he not supposed to be discussing the Burton situation or was he running out of time?
Chris Wallace
05-03-2006, 04:08 PM
You do realise that (aside from the connection to the Donner films, which is something that is there only because if Superman is established they are the only reference that people really have and are pretty much an inherint association) that is EXACTLY what we are getting?
An established Superman, with out a simple rehash of his origin, and where "Lex is his bitter rival."
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
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