The Devils Rejects

[BruceforLizard]

Now I don't know if this has been posted before if it has deleate this thread or lock it whatever you do. Anyway the New Trailer has hit the net and you can download it here

http://mp3content01.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/003/yahoomovies/9/14300518.mov

Now if you want to know what this movie really is about. Well I assume we all heard of House of 1000K. Well this is the sequel to that and you know I wasn't really to keen on the 1st one but this one looks interesting Take a look at it and tell me what you all think.

[Mr. Credible]

I think the 1st one (House of 1000 Corpses) just got alot of good hype behind it... I didn't care much for it at all. It was just really weird... Not bad for a first time director, though.

[The Undertaker]

That trailer alone looks 100x better than 'House'. I'm definitely seeing it. So far, for all the screenings it had, its been producing nothing but positive reviews.

[Motown Marvel]

looks rad to me...i love the raw guerialla film style it has....makes it appear more realistic which adds to the terror.

[The Lumberjack]

This looks great to me. I didn't think it was possible, but Otis looks even creepier. The best part about the first was the music, so hopefully the rest of the flick will follow suit.

[Punisher 04]

http://ryansbigshow.tripod.com/hell_yea.jpg

[BruceforLizard]

A New Trailer

http://mp3content02.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/006/yahoomovies/10/14837212.mov

I'll tell you one thing though. This movie every time I see a new trailer looks better and better. I want to see this now.

[Motown Marvel]

just got out of a press screening for the movie....it was f**king awesome!!! i liked house of a 100 corpses and this was WAY better. go see it!

[caretaker14]

Remember, tonight immediatly following Silence of the Lambs on Spike TV (At 8:00 PM) they will be airing the first ten minutes of the film.

[The Lumberjack]

Remember, tonight immediatly following Silence of the Lambs on Spike TV (At 8:00 PM) they will be airing the first ten minutes of the film.
GOD DAMN YOU, BELLSOUTH!!! YOU AND YOU'RE F**KING WORK SCHEDULE!!!:mad::doom::mad:

[The Dark Defender]

This was my most anticipated movie of 2005 since before the year started. I'm expecting it be one of the absolute best horror movies ever.
I loved House of 1000 Corpses and this should mop the floor with it.

[skorponok]

Like everyone else, I also think that this one looks a million times better than the first film (which I despised :( )

[The Dark Defender]

Well, just saw the first 10 minutes. Very kick ass, but they did what I was afraid of...

They killed off Rufus in the opening scene, I was hoping Tyler Mane would get a bigger part. He ws a great bad ass in X-Men and Troy.:(

[Kable24]

I'm looking forward to seeing this in theaters. I didn't get to see House of a 1000 Corpses in theaters.

[LastSunrise1981]

My wife and I are going to be there for The Devils Rejects. She's a huge Rob Zombie freak and we both loved House of a 1000 Corpses.

[Assassin32]

That cast owns.

[The Lumberjack]

I'm looking forward to seeing this in theaters. I didn't get to see House of a 1000 Corpses in theaters.
I had to drive an hour and a half just to get to a theater that was playing it. Stupid Bible belt.:mad:

[Demogoblin]

My wife and I are going to be there for The Devils Rejects. She's a huge Rob Zombie freak and we both loved House of a 1000 Corpses.

Your wife is into Rob Zombie? Dude....I'm jealous. :(

This movie will kick all forms of ass. I loved the first movie and this one will be even more hardcore. The family got to play and take thier time with the victims in the first movie. Now they are on the run, so there is desperation in what they do. That should make things vicious in a very different way.

And when dies this movie come out?

[caretaker14]

Your wife is into Rob Zombie? Dude....I'm jealous. :(

This movie will kick all forms of ass. I loved the first movie and this one will be even more hardcore. The family got to play and take thier time with the victims in the first movie. Now they are on the run, so there is desperation in what they do. That should make things vicious in a very different way.

And when dies this movie come out?

July 22nd.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Your wife is into Rob Zombie? Dude....I'm jealous. :(My roommate's girlfriend loves him to. It K.I.L.L.S. me watching her rock out to More Human Than Human.....AAAAaaargh!!!

My last girlfriend was insanely hot, but she really liked the WALLFLOWERS! :(

[guitarsingerguy]

My roommate's girlfriend loves him to. It K.I.L.L.S. me watching her rock out to More Human Than Human.....AAAAaaargh!!!

My last girlfriend was insanely hot, but she really liked the WALLFLOWERS! :(

Someone need to tell Jakob that just because Daddy is famous with music that doesn't mean he necessarily has to attempt to follow suit. :o

[CobraCommander]

Rob Zombie has sucked at both music and film since the demise of White Zombie. He was a good video director. But House of a 1000 Corpses sucked. Badly. I can't imagine the sequel being any better.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Rob Zombie has sucked at both music and film since the demise of White Zombie. He was a good video director. But House of a 1000 Corpses sucked. Badly. I can't imagine the sequel being any better.Nah, he's smart enough to learn from his mistakes, I even read an interview with him in Fangoria talking about why he's way more proud of this movie and that he was in over his head on the first one....which,yes, SAWKT!

[The Lumberjack]

I thought the first movie showed amazing potential as a director, but not as a writer. He kinda like Lucas in the sense that when it comes to writing, he's great w/ ideas, but notso great at actually transferring them to a script.

[Jesse_Custer]

I'm really looking forward to this one too.

Really.

[U.S War Machine]

Isn't this another film directed by Rob Zombie?!

[guitarsingerguy]

It's a sequel to House of 1,000 Corpses.

[Demogoblin]

My roommate's girlfriend loves him to. It K.I.L.L.S. me watching her rock out to More Human Than Human.....AAAAaaargh!!!


One of my favorite songs. :D

Rob Zombie kicks ass. :up:

[Symbiotica]

Yes it is, yes he does and I can't wait! Otis Firefly on the loose! This is not going to be good - for somebody, anyways... :D

[Motown Marvel]

seriously, even if you didnt like House of 1000 corpses...you may very well find yourself loving this film. its no where near self indulgent, and most to all of the problems that you may have had with House have been worked out and are gone. im telling you...this was flat out an awesome horror movie.

[guitarsingerguy]

So its definitely a horro flick? From the previews you can't really tell. I mean, you figure it's gonna be, but the preview kinda made it seem like so strange action film maybe.

[Motown Marvel]

So its definitely a horro flick? From the previews you can't really tell. I mean, you figure it's gonna be, but the preview kinda made it seem like so strange action film maybe.

yeah, its a horror flick. maybe not the most conventional horror flick, because its kinda like a road trip movie as well....but its a bunch of crazy murdering psycho's on the road.

[NOFX]

I remember thinking holy ***** Rob Zombie gonna direct a horror movie!!! Kooooooooooooooooool. Then I saw it and it was one of the worst movie I have ever seen!!! After the movie was over, there was a line for the next viewing, I kid you not, I went over to them and told them to get a refund and run for your lives that how bad this moive was imo!!!! 2 HOURS OF MY LIFE I CANT GET BACK BECAUSE OF THIS MOIVE. There isnt enough money in the world to make me see this new Rob Zombie movie!!! :rolleyes: Sorry guys, but thast just how I feel. Hope you guys like the moive :)

[Known Felon]

Friday people. FRIDAY!

[Savage]

WWWAAAAAAOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

...I know, odd reaction, but so far I've never been dissapointed by anything this guy touched. Rob just frickin rocks all types of ass! Can't wait. Otis' back baby.:D

While we're here, any Zombie fans know if he's coming out with a new CD or not? I guess the soundtrack to this movie could count as one like HO1KC but still...

[Known Felon]

A buddy of mine met Sid Haig (Capt. Spaulding), Bill Moseley (Otis), and Sheri Moon (Baby) at a horror convention early last year at a horror convention in Nashville. He asked Moseley what he could tell him about Rejects and Moseley replied that "It's some seriously f**ked up s**t." He told him it was beyond anything he could have imagined. My buddy also said that Sid Haig IS Capt Spaulding on and off screen in the same way that Mickey Rourke IS Marv and that Sheri Moon is off the scales hot.

[DACrowe]

Saw the previews and so on

this looks like some ****ed up ****.

Then again I'm not a fan of the first one so I'm not a good opinion on this I suppose. But a movie just about three people going around and sadistically killing people on the road...sounds like a borderline snuff film.

Just my opinion though.

[guitarsingerguy]

It's a B-movie horror flick. If you feel that way about this one, then you basically feel that way about all horror films. I can't imagine this is really any worse than anything else we've seen before.

[DACrowe]

You're right, I just prefer my horror movies to be a little more mature or character driven or interesting...think Silence of the Lambs....than a bunch of sick ****s going around and cruelly murdering people for 90 minutes to 2 hours and that is your movie.

But as I said, I am probably not the kind of person to ask about for this kind of movie though.

[guitarsingerguy]

But see, I wouldn't classify Silence of the Lambs as a horror film. It's a psychological thriller. They're two far different things.

[Motown Marvel]

i am so giddy to see the movie agian on friday. i've been thinking about it ever since the initial screening i saw. its probably one of the best straight up horror films i've seen in a long time.

[The Dark Defender]

You're right, I just prefer my horror movies to be a little more mature or character driven or interesting...think Silence of the Lambs....than a bunch of sick ****s going around and cruelly murdering people for 90 minutes to 2 hours and that is your movie.

But as I said, I am probably not the kind of person to ask about for this kind of movie though.

It is character driven. It's a revenge movie with a character associated with a victim from the first one coming after the killers, plus there's a strong family bond developed between the villains, and a great climactic finale after the characters have been built up for it.

[Knightsaber Priss]

I don't want to click on the link.

[Tanin]

I thought the first movie showed amazing potential as a director, but not as a writer. He kinda like Lucas in the sense that when it comes to writing, he's great w/ ideas, but notso great at actually transferring them to a script.

I think the writing lacked mainly because he was trying to make it WAY TO much like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Hopefully his writing is better when not trying to make an almost exsact copy of another film

[The Dark Defender]

It was hardly an exact copy.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I would rather gouge my eye out with a spoon then see this movie.

[strike-hard]

I got to see the first 10 minutes of the movie down at the San Diego Comic con, even got to have the cast autograph a poster for me. cool beans.

*spoilers*

The opening scene is the cops raiding the firefly house, gun battle follows, reminiscent of the one in Young Guns, cops die, member of the firefly house dies and .. .. the mom is taken by the cops.


Looks very promising. :up:

[Motown Marvel]

I think the writing lacked mainly because he was trying to make it WAY TO much like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Hopefully his writing is better when not trying to make an almost exsact copy of another film


while i like H1000C, i understand why people dont like it. its a horror fans horror movie....its extremely self indulgent, which i liked, but i can see why it would turn others off....and i think thats why people didnt like it much. but devils rejects is not so self indulgent and zombie REALLY matured as a writer and director on this on. it really looks like he recognized the mistakes of 'house' and remedied those problems when producing this film.

[Punisher 04]

Devils Rejects is going to be awsome! Blood, gore, horror, and action, can't wait. :unishr:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/2004/devils/devil1.jpg

[The Lumberjack]

This movie will decide whether I'm going to be Capt. Spaulding for Halloween or Lemmy from Motorhead.

[CrimsonMist]

I think the writing lacked mainly because he was trying to make it WAY TO much like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Hopefully his writing is better when not trying to make an almost exsact copy of another film

it wasnt just like TCM. Zombie was heavily influenced by all those indie 70s/early 80s horror films: Deranged, Motel Hell, Last House on The Left, I Spit on Your Grave...good stuff.

but my problem with House of 1000 Corpses was that when you listen to Zombie's music and look at his artwork and music videos, its completely original and f-ed up. Zombie could have made a horrifying movie if it had been completely original.

I had my doubts for The Devil's Rejects becuase at first, it sounded like it would rip of the TCM 2 plot: Uncle of the two kids out for revenge whereas in this movie its: Brother of killed cop out for revenge. But when you see the trailer for this movie and the kind of characters in it, you can tell thats only the underlying, hardly noticable part of the film.

I loved House, Devil's Rejects is gonna kick ass.

[That-Guy]

Deranged, Motel Hell, Last House on The Left, I Spit on Your Grave...good stuff.



Okay... I've only seen one of the films you mentioned here, so I can't comment on the other ones, but in regards to "I Spit on Your Grave," did you actually think that was a good movie? The acting was awful, there really wasn't a story, and the cinematography and direction were pathetic. All in all, it was more or less a borderline porn film with some gore. I'm just curious why people view this movie as a "classic."

[The Undertaker]

So, those who have seen it, what did you think? :)

[The Lumberjack]

I'm going to see it in a couple of hours, so I'll tell you about it when I get back.

[Frank Manhattan]

Got to watch it last night... very good horror/crime/explotation flick. Sid Haig steals the show.

[Assassin32]

That's cause Sid Haig pwns.:up:

[The Dark Defender]

Wow, it was almost as good as it was nauseating...almost.:)

Great acting, great cinematography, great editing, great music, intense as hell, I loved and hated the family at the same time, Wydell is an awesome vengeance figure, I loved the dream sequence to his brother and how you can see his psyche detereote to the point where he becomes what he's hunting.

Tiny's appearance at the end is just so damned heroic, made me feel like standing up and cheering. I love him just as much as the big 3. The only problems I had were I was hoping Tyler Mane(Rufus)would have a bigger part, Diamond Dallas Page and Danny Trejo's characters should've died, I'm not sure what to think of Tiny suicidally going into the house as it explodes, and I wish the big 3 could've taken the cops, or atleast some of them with them during their emotionally charged demise.

[The Lumberjack]

This movie was intense. Every aspect of it really sucks you into the experience. You can feel the heat and desperation every character is feeling. The music is what really stood out for me. It has that whole juxtapostion between music that's wholesome, but is placed over a very grisly scene, similar to when the father and the deputy from the HO1kC stumble into the shed. It's used more than once but never gets old. All the gore that's shown also never really seems superfluous, but is shown to really hammer home the intensity of the whole movie.

As stated before, Sid Haig's veins pump pure pwn and he spits it in your face during this whole movie. He's not simply a random, fun character anymore now that you know he's Baby's father. The scene w/ Baby and Spaulding badgering Otis to stop for ice cream is great. You also get to meet his brother and delve ever so slightly into his past. I agree w/ Stormyprecious that DDP and Trejo really should have gotten theirs, but it hardly ruins the movie.

Baby really made me fall in love w/ her here. She's very sadistic, but still very sweet and insanely seductive. You also get to see a bit of skin from her, which is always nice.:D Otis is pure evil and Bill Mosely really sells it. While he's standing over two beaten bleeding men, he begs themto pray and taunts them all the while. Then he delivers my favorite line from the movie perfectly: "I am the devil and I am here to do the devil's work."

If you even enjoyed a second of either HO1kC or Natural Born Killers (which has a similar feel), then you will LOVE The Devil's Rejects.:up::up:

[Demogoblin]

This movie PWNS, pure and simple. Probably the best movie that I have seen all summer. The whole thing just seemed so damn realistic. The scene where Otis is beating the two men to death was unbeleivable. I felt like I was a witness to a murder, hiding behind the rubble and garbage.

The hotel scene dragged a little and I kind of wish that there had been more humor, like in H1000C when the two guys try to rob Spaulding and he tells them "F*** your mother." But then I remembered that The Devil's Rejects isnt supposed to be like H1000C. Its a very different movie and since it isnt a clone of the first film, its great in its own right.

Baby was sexy as hell, of course and Otis was a mean little redneck.
Charlie: "Hey Otis, are you still an a**hole?"
Otis: *gives him the finger* :D

Too bad there wasnt more of Spaulding in his facepaint, but he was a fun character anyway. The end scene....well, you dont get endings like that very often. Surprisingly emotional.

8.5/10

[guitarsingerguy]

Did anyone happen to stay after the credits? I didn't, and when I left I realized I don't remember seeing the scene of the three walking down the road. They didn't show it after the end credits did they? I mean, they had to have died.

[The Dark Defender]

Did anyone happen to stay after the credits? I didn't, and when I left I realized I don't remember seeing the scene of the three walking down the road. They didn't show it after the end credits did they? I mean, they had to have died.

Nope, they just showed shots of the country landscape over the end credits and there was nothing after them. The shot of the 3 of them walking down the highway wasn't used at all.

I know some stuff was cut out, I've seen pictures of a scene where Dr. Satan rips out Rosario Dawson's throat. Zombie said that the footage not used in the movie will either be edited back in or in the special features on the dvd.

[Motown Marvel]

Did anyone happen to stay after the credits? I didn't, and when I left I realized I don't remember seeing the scene of the three walking down the road. They didn't show it after the end credits did they? I mean, they had to have died.
uh, you may want to toss that last part in spoiler tags.

[guitarsingerguy]

Nope, they just showed shots of the country landscape over the end credits and there was nothing after them. The shot of the 3 of them walking down the highway wasn't used at all.

I know some stuff was cut out, I've seen pictures of a scene where Dr. Satan rips out Rosario Dawson's throat. Zombie said that the footage not used in the movie will either be edited back in or in the special features on the dvd.

Rosario Dawson was in the flick? I know I didn't just miss that. Was her entire part in the movie cut?

[guitarsingerguy]

uh, you may want to toss that last part in spoiler tags.

Sorry, wasn't even thinking.

[The Dark Defender]

Rosario Dawson was in the flick? I know I didn't just miss that. Was her entire part in the movie cut?

Yup, she's only in one sequence with Dr. Satan, so her entire part was removed.

[The Lumberjack]

Yup, she's only in one sequence with Dr. Satan, so her entire part was removed.
I never noticed her, but there are critics on RottenTomatoes.com that have mentioned her as a cameo, so they couldn't have cut her completely:confused:

[guitarsingerguy]

I never noticed her, but there are critics on RottenTomatoes.com that have mentioned her as a cameo, so they couldn't have cut her completely:confused:

Perhaps they viewed an early screening prior to the scenes being cut? :confused:

[Jesse_Custer]

I can't say anything that hasn't already been said. Great movie.

[The Dark Defender]

Perhaps they viewed an early screening prior to the scenes being cut? :confused:

Yeah, I'm almost positive that she isn't in there.

I'm seeing the movie again tonight, I'll try and see if I can spot her in the background somewhere.

[theJust]

if you dont want to be spoiled, u shouldnt even being coming in here, and as well if your interested JUST GO OUT AND SEE IT

[The Lumberjack]

Saw it again today and I'm going w/ a guy I work with tomorrow. Loved it even more this time, except for the woman behind me was rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad:

[Savage]

Just caught this flick...god...damn. That is one of the best damn horror flicks that I have seen in years. I mean that was...f**kin sick. I don't think the guy even needed the gore but that sure as hell helped. These are some genuinely good actors and actresses and Zombie did an awesome job directing. The first one feels like it was just to get his feet wet now that I've seen this. I want this man doing more movies!

I mean he did a great job making me hate them for the first half. The first one I thought they were cool but this one they were just bastards. Then comes the second half and he does such a good job developing them as a family that I actually started to forget they were the worse piece of scums on the planet and felt bad for them the rest of the movie and was even kind of cheering for em(even though I felt kind of guilty for it after what he did to the people in the hotel)...Just...damn. The man's been hiding his genius for years! Definately worth watchin! *****:up::up:

[Savage]

One slight nitpick. The fakeouts kind of unnerved me a bit. I mean Spaulding looks like he's going to kill that woman and child for their car and I'm really on the edge of my seat like "Don't do it man. Don't do it." and then he doesn't(even though he's pretty much traumatized that poor kid and maybe the mom). But at the same time...like 30 seconds later I'm thinking "...man...what a cop out.".

Same goes for the hotel scene where Otis is harrasing that guy's wife. Thought he was just gonna rape her right there in front of all of em. But he didn't. Got my sighs of relief from both scenes, sure but at the same time it's like he really could have drove home how evil and sadistic these guys are and why they are so f**kin scary...Guess he didn't want to do that since we were supposed to feel worry for em later anyway.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It's bizarre how an audience can root for someone who dismembers, mutilates and KILLS a person, but not a rapist.

[The Lumberjack]

Same goes for the hotel scene where Otis is harrasing that guy's wife. Thought he was just gonna rape her right there in front of all of em. But he didn't. Got my sighs of relief from both scenes, sure but at the same time it's like he really could have drove home how evil and sadistic these guys are and why they are so f**kin scary...Guess he didn't want to do that since we were supposed to feel worry for em later anyway.[/SPOILER]
I read an interview over at Coming Soon where Rob said this scene had 2 minutes cut from it due to the MPAA warning that it would have given the film an NC-17 if they hadn't. He also said that it would definately be shown in it's entirety on the DVD.:up:

[theJust]

i dont know about all this dvd talk.....
cause he said the same thing about HOuse....but still nothing....
dammit rob you can move on after you finish your cuts, dont leave us hanging like some studio would

[theJust]

oh and someone mentioned earlier about the dr satan scenes...........
and i found those pictures!....again
cool stuff

[The Lumberjack]

oh and someone mentioned earlier about the dr satan scenes...........
and i found those pictures!....again
cool stuff
Where are these pics? If they're too much for SHH, then PM the links to me if you'd be so kind.:D

[bluejake01]

It's bizarre how an audience can root for someone who dismembers, mutilates and KILLS a person, but not a rapist.

Gotta have your priorities straight.

[Motown Marvel]

i dont know about all this dvd talk.....
cause he said the same thing about HOuse....but still nothing....
dammit rob you can move on after you finish your cuts, dont leave us hanging like some studio would

i dont think rob ever promised an extended cut for House...i believe that was all rumored fan speculation because they knew there was more out there.

oh and someone mentioned earlier about the dr satan scenes...........
and i found those pictures!....again
cool stuff

dude, hook us up with those pics!!!!

[The Dark Defender]

Where are these pics? If they're too much for SHH, then PM the links to me if you'd be so kind.:D

http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1402

[Punisher 04]

http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1402

Nice pic! :up: :D

[halfmadjesus]

Okay... I've only seen one of the films you mentioned here, so I can't comment on the other ones, but in regards to "I Spit on Your Grave," did you actually think that was a good movie? The acting was awful, there really wasn't a story, and the cinematography and direction were pathetic. All in all, it was more or less a borderline porn film with some gore. I'm just curious why people view this movie as a "classic."

You have to consider I Spit was made almost 30 years ago, for virtually no money, with no name actors of any kind. So if you think the acting is "awful," try to keep in mind it's not like they had a pick of A-list Hollywood stars to cast in the thing. Still, I'd say Camille Keaton's performance is actually quite good. She appears truly terrorized, traumatized, etc., throughout the film, IMO.

Why I Spit stands as a classic of the genre, is that it's a pretty unflinching and brutal rape/revenge picture. It definitely crossed every line of what people believed was acceptable to show on film, and you couldn't even begin to MAKE a picture like it today. Also, there's just enough ambiguity to qualify it as more than a pure exploitation pic - did Keaton's character do anything to set up the rape in the first place? Is she "at fault"? Is her violent reaction justified? How does the audience feel about characters like Matthew - the "nice" rapist - and what ultimately happens to him? There's a few angles worth examining, and people's reactions to various aspects of the film can vary widely depending on their POV. To me, that sets the film apart from a "borderline porn film with some gore."

Anyway, I enjoyed The Devil's Rejects tremendously. It delivers all the goods you expect from a grindhouse flick. Zombie casts some great actors you almost never see - Sid Haig, Geoffrey Lewis, William Forsythe, Leslie Easterbrook, PJ Soles, Priscilla Barnes, that dude from The Hills Have Eyes, etc. Coming to root for the killers by the end is kind of a neat twist - and considering this happens after we've watched them murder four innocent people, it's kind of tough to pull off, too. Always been a big Sid Haig fan - in lieu of Jack Hill making more movies, its nice to see someone like Rob Zombie come along and hand him a good role. Definitely the kind of gory, disturbing, campy, exploitive pic you never see these days, but were a staple of the late 70's and 80's. It's definitely from that same mold.

[Savage]

http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1402
Holy s**t!!!:eek: That BLEEDS awesomeness! :up:

Maybe he's saving Dr.Satan for his own movie or something.

[Motown Marvel]

this really needs to be made into an 'OWNED!' pic
http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/images/news2/devilsrejectssatanpic1.jpg

[guitarsingerguy]

So does anyone know why Dr. Satan is in the hospital?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

that sounds like the start of a joke.

[guitarsingerguy]

Heh, I guess it does.

[DOG LIPS]

Rob said he wanted it to be it's own movie, and it's definatly NOT a sequel. That's why he cut out the Dr. Satan crap. :(

[guitarsingerguy]

Well, I definitely enjoyed it more than House, so I guess he succeeded. I'd still like to see the scenes on the DVD.

[DOG LIPS]

He was talking aboot it on Carson Daly, he said he wanted it to be like a whole new adventure for his characters, not a sequel to H1000.


...Don't ask me why I was watching Carson Day. :o

[theJust]

well i cant believe what im hearing with all this spin off stuff....
but in every interview i could listen,see, and read as of late....
1. his next movie wont be really horror (its that animated one)
2. no more house, rejects movies
3. hes barely considering going back and re-editing a directors cut for house
as quoted, "i just want to move on."

so im a little surprised to hear you guys talking spin off....
but i guess this is how these silly rumours start.

id say if you want proof dig up his interviews!

[theJust]

as well while we're talking Devils rejects

well its sad Hustle & flow got a percentage more this past weekend as far as opening scores go....

but i really expected at least no. 5!

anyways my point is this is one of those few gems, to see it for its difference!

this movie makes you confused how to feel! it challenges you! it shocks you, its surprises! and what a ride ! ! !

this is what everyones asking for, but this summer their too busy watching remakes and ripoffs!
WHATS WRONG WITH THEM!!! HERES SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT!!! GO SEE IT!!

[The Undertaker]

well i cant believe what im hearing with all this spin off stuff....
but in every interview i could listen,see, and read as of late....
1. his next movie wont be really horror (its that animated one)
2. no more house, rejects movies
3. hes barely considering going back and re-editing a directors cut for house
as quoted, "i just want to move on."

so im a little surprised to hear you guys talking spin off....
but i guess this is how these silly rumours start.

id say if you want proof dig up his interviews!

But what does that stuff have to do with whether this was a spin-off or not? Rob has said himself this isn't a direct sequel and refers to it as a spin-off as he wants the movie to stand on its own and it does. Whats the problem?

[Demogoblin]

Rob said he wanted it to be it's own movie, and it's definatly NOT a sequel. That's why he cut out the Dr. Satan crap. :(

And I'm glad of it. Once Dr Satan showed up in H1000C, the movie got too weird for me. I was almost completely onboard until then.

[reggiebar]

Saw it again today and I'm going w/ a guy I work with tomorrow. Loved it even more this time, except for the woman behind me was rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad:

And you think that this woman was WRONG for rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad:?????

First off, I loved this movie (also really enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses), so I don't want to hear nonsense that I am stating what I am about to state because I didn't like the movie, couldn't handle the violence, etc, etc...
Now, the reason why I am responding to your comment above is because I have found (in both personal discussions, discussions on websites and in reviews) that many people seem to state that "you begin to feel for the Firefly clan by the end and think that they are victimized by Sheriff Wydell". When I hear people make statements of the like you did, it is the perfect testament that Rob Zombie has not only made a great western/horror/revenge/road movie, but in doing so he has also demonstrated the current situation in America where people (especially men) seem to relate to stylized violence. The Firelfly caln has committed hundreds of the most vile and sickening murders (well 70+ on record are discovered after the raid) that if one actually imagined them happening to one of their own loved ones would make one almost cry on the spot. However, because one of them is a complete babe (Baby) and another is an extremly funny foul-mouthed clown (Spaulding) many of the people who watch this movie relate to them more than a Sheriff who decides to punsih these people in the same way that they have punished countless victims before. I think it is very ironic that the majority of the audience for this movie seem to hate Sheriff Wydell and love the Firefly clan. Wow, Rob Zombie has truly shown that violence in America has been so glorified that people today root for the truly vile and evil people who have committed these rapes and murders rather than root for a man who is avenging the horrifc death of his brother and dozens and upon dozens of other innocent people. What have we become of as a society that many people relate more to one of the most sadistic, evil families in movie history simply because one of them is a hot woman and the other is a foul-mouthed clown and the two of them happen to enjoy tooty-fruity ice-cream and that there are a bunch of classic rock songs that play over their vile and evil murders and tortures?

Think again about why "the woman behind me was rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad: " and why this bothered you because you may need a deep examination of your soul.

[The Dark Defender]

I didn't really feel for the Fireflys when they were being tortured. I started to loathe Otis and Baby when they were torturing the family at the motel.
I did love seeing the tables turned on them at the end. However I did feel for them toward the end when they're saying goodbye to Tiny and during their charge into certain death at the end because at times they don't really come across as sadistic, raping, torturing psychopaths. Zombie did a great job of developing the family bond between them in a way that's just hinted at a little in the TCM's.
When Otis is trying to hold back his tears and Baby is waving goodbye to him as they drive away with the liklihood being that they'll never see him again; that's such a beautiful moment.
I never really hated Wydell, the only thing he did that I felt was unjustified was killing Charlie, who was wrong for harboring them, but I don't think he himself was a murderer/sadist.
I was pretty neutral. I loved the family at times, hated them at others, and I was behind Wydell most of the way, but I still thought Tiny dispatching of him was a great moment. I love how he's not considered an impact player, yet he has a bigger impact than anybody in the film and doesn't want anything in return for it; and even insists on staying behind as he helps the others leave and chooses to accept death than go on as the only one left. Another touch I loved was Spaulding trying to take the blame for Baby's crime so that Wydell will torture him in her place, but her not allowing it.
There are times in this film where I don't see brutal, sadistc murders when I look at the Fireflys, I just see a family that love each other.

[Demogoblin]

Another touch I loved was Spaulding trying to take the blame for Baby's crime so that Wydell will torture him in her place, but her not allowing it.
There are times in this film where I don't see brutal, sadistc murders when I look at the Fireflys, I just see a family that love each other.


Yes, that was a very surprisng scene. He actually cared about her! :eek: That was a very different side of Spaulding from what we saw in the first movie, when he was toying with the robbers in his store.

Loved the realism of this movie. Loved it. The Fireflys seemed like real people instead of over the top psychopaths as in H1000C. Psychotic people, but real ones.

[Balthus Dire]

So, I'm trying to figure out the family tree now.

So Spaulding is Baby's father, which he was either a previous lover/husband to Mother Firefly. But Baby refers to Otis as her brother, so does that make him Spaulding's son, too? Or is he simply a half brother along with Rufus?


Anyone wanna clear that up for me?

[Balthus Dire]

this really needs to be made into an 'OWNED!' pic
http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/images/news2/devilsrejectssatanpic1.jpg


If you look, that deputy there is Dave Sheridan, who is like William Forsythe's second hand.


Maybe this scene was supposed to be included cuz they found Dr Satan in the basement and took him out to the hospital?


I wish they left it in so it remotely explained WTF exactly happened in the last 30 minutes of House of 1000 Corpses.

[The Dark Defender]

So, I'm trying to figure out the family tree now.

So Spaulding is Baby's father, which he was either a previous lover/husband to Mother Firefly. But Baby refers to Otis as her brother, so does that make him Spaulding's son, too? Or is he simply a half brother along with Rufus?


Anyone wanna clear that up for me?

Otis isn't really Baby's brother. Otis was abused as a childhood and ran away and he ended up meeting Spaulding, who introduced him to Mamma Firefly, Baby, Rufus, Tiny... and Otis bonded with them so much that he considered them like family. Baby is like a sister to him so they call each other brother and sister, though there are no actual blood relations between them.
Baby, Tiny, and Rufus are the children of Spaulding and Mamma Firefly.

[halfmadjesus]

Now, the reason why I am responding to your comment above is because I have found (in both personal discussions, discussions on websites and in reviews) that many people seem to state that "you begin to feel for the Firefly clan by the end and think that they are victimized by Sheriff Wydell". When I hear people make statements of the like you did, it is the perfect testament that Rob Zombie has not only made a great western/horror/revenge/road movie, but in doing so he has also demonstrated the current situation in America where people (especially men) seem to relate to stylized violence. The Firelfly caln has committed hundreds of the most vile and sickening murders (well 70+ on record are discovered after the raid) that if one actually imagined them happening to one of their own loved ones would make one almost cry on the spot. However, because one of them is a complete babe (Baby) and another is an extremly funny foul-mouthed clown (Spaulding) many of the people who watch this movie relate to them more than a Sheriff who decides to punsih these people in the same way that they have punished countless victims before. I think it is very ironic that the majority of the audience for this movie seem to hate Sheriff Wydell and love the Firefly clan. Wow, Rob Zombie has truly shown that violence in America has been so glorified that people today root for the truly vile and evil people who have committed these rapes and murders rather than root for a man who is avenging the horrifc death of his brother and dozens and upon dozens of other innocent people. What have we become of as a society that many people relate more to one of the most sadistic, evil families in movie history simply because one of them is a hot woman and the other is a foul-mouthed clown and the two of them happen to enjoy tooty-fruity ice-cream and that there are a bunch of classic rock songs that play over their vile and evil murders and tortures?

It's not so much that people automatically identify with stylized murder - I think you're missing the point. The way Zombie portrays them, the Fireflys appear to be having the most fun throughout the picture. They're joking around, partying it up left and right, Capt. Spaulding gets a ton of the best lines in the film, the family bond between them is clear. They're likable DESPITE the fact that Zombie has also shown them to be depraved killers. Kinda like Freddy Krueger, for another example. Freddy's got lots of personality - he may be a child-killer, but you enjoy spending time with him anyway. He's typically more interesting in the Elm Street films than any of his victims.

I see this more as a choice of Rob Zombie's as writer/director, rather than an indication of our affinity for violence as a society. If Zombie hadn't worked so hard to make the Fireflys sympathetic - if he'd played them as straight, cold-blooded killers - people wouldn't have the same reaction, even with the classic rock songs. It's clear watching that the film's POV is that you should identify with these killers somewhat. And Wydell's torture at the end - well, if you pull that sequence out of context from the rest of the picture, it mirrors any other horror film where Wydell is the bad guy and the Fireflys are the victims. The scene where he chases Baby Girl could be the end sequence of about a zillion horror films, with her as the female victim running from the killer. All Zombie's done is flip it. And that IS pretty clever on his part. But it's also intentional, and works to get a reaction from the audience that's not as surprising as you make it sound.

[Savage]

And you think that this woman was WRONG for rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad:?????

First off, I loved this movie (also really enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses), so I don't want to hear nonsense that I am stating what I am about to state because I didn't like the movie, couldn't handle the violence, etc, etc...
Now, the reason why I am responding to your comment above is because I have found (in both personal discussions, discussions on websites and in reviews) that many people seem to state that "you begin to feel for the Firefly clan by the end and think that they are victimized by Sheriff Wydell". When I hear people make statements of the like you did, it is the perfect testament that Rob Zombie has not only made a great western/horror/revenge/road movie, but in doing so he has also demonstrated the current situation in America where people (especially men) seem to relate to stylized violence. The Firelfly caln has committed hundreds of the most vile and sickening murders (well 70+ on record are discovered after the raid) that if one actually imagined them happening to one of their own loved ones would make one almost cry on the spot. However, because one of them is a complete babe (Baby) and another is an extremly funny foul-mouthed clown (Spaulding) many of the people who watch this movie relate to them more than a Sheriff who decides to punsih these people in the same way that they have punished countless victims before. I think it is very ironic that the majority of the audience for this movie seem to hate Sheriff Wydell and love the Firefly clan. Wow, Rob Zombie has truly shown that violence in America has been so glorified that people today root for the truly vile and evil people who have committed these rapes and murders rather than root for a man who is avenging the horrifc death of his brother and dozens and upon dozens of other innocent people. What have we become of as a society that many people relate more to one of the most sadistic, evil families in movie history simply because one of them is a hot woman and the other is a foul-mouthed clown and the two of them happen to enjoy tooty-fruity ice-cream and that there are a bunch of classic rock songs that play over their vile and evil murders and tortures?

Think again about why "the woman behind me was rooting for the sheriff. She cheered during the torture scenes in the house and when they died.:mad: " and why this bothered you because you may need a deep examination of your soul.
Hmm. I think it's just that violence is wrong no matter who's on the recieving end and Rob did a good job portraying that. To put it in lesser words, "Evil is in the eye of the beholder.".

[Savage]

Otis isn't really Baby's brother. Otis was abused as a childhood and ran away and he ended up meeting Spaulding, who introduced him to Mamma Firefly, Baby, Rufus, Tiny... and Otis bonded with them so much that he considered them like family. Baby is like a sister to him so they call each other brother and sister, though there are no actual blood relations between them.
Baby, Tiny, and Rufus are the children of Spaulding and Mamma Firefly.
Actually Tiny is Earl's kid. The guy who burned him alive. Was in Dr. Satan's place at the end with an axe chasing that girl...Who knows where Rufus came from. Mother Firefly was a prostitute for christ's sake. He's the most normal one there honestly.

[The Dark Defender]

Otis isn't really Baby's brother. Otis was abused as a childhood and ran away and he ended up meeting Spaulding, who introduced him to Mamma Firefly, Baby, Rufus, Tiny... and Otis bonded with them so much that he considered them like family. Baby is like a sister to him so they call each other brother and sister, though there are no actual blood relations between them.
Baby, Tiny, and Rufus are the children of Spaulding and Mamma Firefly.

[Savage]

ooooh. Gotcha.

[Balthus Dire]

Otis isn't really Baby's brother. Otis was abused as a childhood and ran away and he ended up meeting Spaulding, who introduced him to Mamma Firefly, Baby, Rufus, Tiny... and Otis bonded with them so much that he considered them like family. Baby is like a sister to him so they call each other brother and sister, though there are no actual blood relations between them.
Baby, Tiny, and Rufus are the children of Spaulding and Mamma Firefly.

how do you know that

[The Dark Defender]

how do you know that

They have profiles of the characters on the figures they're selling, and on the official site.

[halfmadjesus]

Hmm. I think it's just that violence is wrong no matter who's on the recieving end and Rob did a good job portraying that. To put it in lesser words, "Evil is in the eye of the beholder.".

I definitely think this is a point Zombie is trying to get across. Whether in the name of the devil or an "avenging angel," sadistic violence and torture should make you uneasy, make you feel sympathy for the victim, etc.

There are levels to this picture, which automatically separates it from about 90% of the pablum crap that typically comes out of Hollywood - and also may account for a lot of the positive reviews from critics, who ordinarily pan movies like this.

[reggiebar]

It's not so much that people automatically identify with stylized murder - I think you're missing the point. The way Zombie portrays them, the Fireflys appear to be having the most fun throughout the picture. They're joking around, partying it up left and right, Capt. Spaulding gets a ton of the best lines in the film, the family bond between them is clear. They're likable DESPITE the fact that Zombie has also shown them to be depraved killers. Kinda like Freddy Krueger, for another example. Freddy's got lots of personality - he may be a child-killer, but you enjoy spending time with him anyway. He's typically more interesting in the Elm Street films than any of his victims.

I see this more as a choice of Rob Zombie's as writer/director, rather than an indication of our affinity for violence as a society. If Zombie hadn't worked so hard to make the Fireflys sympathetic - if he'd played them as straight, cold-blooded killers - people wouldn't have the same reaction, even with the classic rock songs. It's clear watching that the film's POV is that you should identify with these killers somewhat. And Wydell's torture at the end - well, if you pull that sequence out of context from the rest of the picture, it mirrors any other horror film where Wydell is the bad guy and the Fireflys are the victims. The scene where he chases Baby Girl could be the end sequence of about a zillion horror films, with her as the female victim running from the killer. All Zombie's done is flip it. And that IS pretty clever on his part. But it's also intentional, and works to get a reaction from the audience that's not as surprising as you make it sound.

No, that was my point exactly. People "feel" for these depraved murderers simply because Zombie made them have funny lines and that they had "fun" and people seem to look beyond what they are actually doing. Oh, they seemed to have a "family bond" - WHO CARES? They bonded over the sadistic torture and brutalization of innocent vitims. Actaully READ & TRY AND COMPREHEND my post as I gave Zombie total credit for making many people identify with these characters. I was simply pointing out how THE LUMBERJACK got mad at a woman in the theater for actually rooting for justice to triumph over evil. I mentioned the irony of how so many viewers of this movie relate to the villians more than justice because Zombie made one a total bade and the other a very funny clown and how it was taken to the extremene where THE LUMBERJACK actually got mad at someone in the theater who based how she viewed these people on their actions instead of their witty lines and hot buns.

Read what I wrote again and perhaps you will comprehend that I already pointed out "because one of them is a complete babe (Baby) and another is an extremly funny foul-mouthed clown (Spaulding) many of the people who watch this movie relate to them more than a Sheriff who decides to punsih these people in the same way that they have punished countless victims before" Yeah, I totally undrestood what Zombie did with this film. However, I also pointed out that the woman in the theater with THE LUMBERJACK was able to look beyond the tricks that Zombie used that typical American men couldn't look beyond and see this family for the depraved evil lunatics that they are, so she actaully realated to Wydell more because she was able to look beyond the funny lines, great 70s rock songs and a clown who is very funny.

Look into why you related to the Firefly clan and see if you can up with a real reason to relaet to them othetr than this nonsense that it was touching that Tiny made some sort of "heroic" return at the end of the film. Look at who Tiny is and who he was saving. You stated "It's clear watching that the film's POV is that you should identify with these killers somewhat" No, you shouldn't as evident by the woman in THE LUMBERJACK's theater. You really shouldn't relate to these people, but men in this country have no morals anymore that they do relate to them. If you are a "pure" soul or a person who has not been corrupted by the stylized violence, like the woman in the theater, Zombie's POV on the killers will not matter and the veiwer will not relate to them. Of course I get what Zombie achived witrh this film and he was only able to acheive this because of what has happened to men in this country (this includes film critics as this film is only 51% fresh at rottentomatoes). I get it far more than you can comprehend.

[halfmadjesus]

No, that was my point exactly. People "feel" for these depraved murderers simply because Zombie made them have funny lines and that they had "fun" and people seem to look beyond what they are actually doing. Oh, they seemed to have a "family bond" - WHO CARES? They bonded over the sadistic torture and brutalization of innocent vitims. Actaully READ & TRY AND COMPREHEND my post as I gave Zombie total credit for making many people identify with these characters. I was simply pointing out how THE LUMBERJACK got mad at a woman in the theater for actually rooting for justice to triumph over evil. I mentioned the irony of how so many viewers of this movie relate to the villians more than justice because Zombie made one a total bade and the other a very funny clown and how it was taken to the extremene where THE LUMBERJACK actually got mad at someone in the theater who based how she viewed these people on their actions instead of their witty lines and hot buns.

Read what I wrote again and perhaps you will comprehend that I already pointed out "because one of them is a complete babe (Baby) and another is an extremly funny foul-mouthed clown (Spaulding) many of the people who watch this movie relate to them more than a Sheriff who decides to punsih these people in the same way that they have punished countless victims before" Yeah, I totally undrestood what Zombie did with this film. However, I also pointed out that the woman in the theater with THE LUMBERJACK was able to look beyond the tricks that Zombie used that typical American men couldn't look beyond and see this family for the depraved evil lunatics that they are, so she actaully realated to Wydell more because she was able to look beyond the funny lines, great 70s rock songs and a clown who is very funny.

Look into why you related to the Firefly clan and see if you can up with a real reason to relaet to them othetr than this nonsense that it was touching that Tiny made some sort of "heroic" return at the end of the film. Look at who Tiny is and who he was saving. You stated "It's clear watching that the film's POV is that you should identify with these killers somewhat" No, you shouldn't as evident by the woman in THE LUMBERJACK's theater. You really shouldn't relate to these people, but men in this country have no morals anymore that they do relate to them. If you are a "pure" soul or a person who has not been corrupted by the stylized violence, like the woman in the theater, Zombie's POV on the killers will not matter and the veiwer will not relate to them. Of course I get what Zombie achived witrh this film and he was only able to acheive this because of what has happened to men in this country (this includes film critics as this film is only 51% fresh at rottentomatoes). I get it far more than you can comprehend.

Wow. Arrogant a-hole much?

Look, it's obvious you have your POV about "men in this country" and how they relate to violence - I don't think I missed that part of your message at all, and you obviously re-iterated it at the bottom of your rant. No one's going to change your already-set mind, so it's a waste of time discussing anything with you. I will say, however, that the charming or sympathetic killer isn't exactly a new thing in film. It's been done before lots of times - I gave you one example above. Keep going back in time beyond A Nightmare on Elm Street. Hitchcock...film noir - I guess we men have been tapped into violence for a while now.

I'd argue your lumberjack is a knuckle-dragger, and your woman missed the point of the picture if she was cheering for the angel of vengeance. But everyone has their own POV. Maybe you should consider that before reading too much into the squabblings at your local multiplex.

[theJust]

you guys are a riot to read! with your role playing made up backgrounds where in the hell did you read all these family tree confirmations? id love to hear. really i would...

and p.s. in House about tiny s father, if shes lying why do they cut to a flashback?

[Savage]

you guys are a riot to read! with your role playing made up backgrounds where in the hell did you read all these family tree confirmations? id love to hear. really i would...

and p.s. in House about tiny s father, if shes lying why do they cut to a flashback?
Actually the background can be found on just about any of their products. I have the soundtrack for example and it talks about it. Zombie's web site as well, the comics he had out (which they CANCELLED the rat bastards), and as mentioned, the action figures.

[reggiebar]

Wow. Arrogant a-hole much?

Look, it's obvious you have your POV about "men in this country" and how they relate to violence - I don't think I missed that part of your message at all, and you obviously re-iterated it at the bottom of your rant. No one's going to change your already-set mind, so it's a waste of time discussing anything with you. I will say, however, that the charming or sympathetic killer isn't exactly a new thing in film. It's been done before lots of times - I gave you one example above. Keep going back in time beyond A Nightmare on Elm Street. Hitchcock...film noir - I guess we men have been tapped into violence for a while now.

I'd argue your lumberjack is a knuckle-dragger, and your woman missed the point of the picture if she was cheering for the angel of vengeance. But everyone has their own POV. Maybe you should consider that before reading too much into the squabblings at your local multiplex.


The main diference between Nightmare On Elm Street movies (you can't include film noir ala Hitchcock, etc... as the majority of the criminals, even murderers, in film noir have a motivation beyond simple torture and slaughter) is that in Freddy films and the like, you have a "villian" who is pursuing victims thoughout the film. In Devil's Rejects, the killers are on the run which is completely opposite of about 99% of other horror films. BTW, Devils' Rejects is not a horror film, so comparing the Firefly clan with Freddy doesn't really work as they should be compared more to Kit & Holly from Badlands or Mickey & Mallory from NBK or even the group in the Wild Bunch.

The point is that in Badlands or even Natural Born Killers or The Wild Bunch, the films present the protaganists (murderers all of them) as sympathetic characters based on their backgrounds (okay not Mickey but certainly Mallory). So, when the audience "feels" or "sympathizes" with these characters, it is because a clear background to their motivations has been established and these characters have been developed so that the audience understands why they became what they became (murderers). Heck, even the background of what happened to Feddy Kruger is established so that the audience understands what made him turn into what he became. Now, in The Devil's Rejects, Rob Zombie was able to make a huge portoin of the audience of his film relate to a bunch of homicidal, sadistic murderers without EVER developing the history of these characters and perhaps what would have driven them into the life that they lead. So, when I argue that Rob Zombie was able to accomplish having a vast majority of the audience relate to these characters without ever giving the audience a "real/developed" reason to sympathize with these characters, I believe that I am correct in my assumption that the only reason that he was able to accomplish this task was because of how many people relate to stylized violence in today's society. See, I am not only examining the film but also then social climate of today's society and how Rob Zombie was able to accomplish the task of having the majority of the audience who enjoyed this film relate to these characters simply based on the fact that one was a hot babe and one was very funny clown. I believe that you are missing the point when you state that "that the charming or sympathetic killer isn't exactly a new thing in film" as, of course, it is not new in film. However, in those past instances, the motivations and past histories of what drove these charming or sympathetic killers to become what they become has been established in the film (for example what happened to Freddy Kruger when the town killed him or Mallory's father's constant abuse and child molestation during her youth).

So, I pose this question to you, what exactly in the Devil's Rejects or even H1000C, did Zombie establish that would allow the audience to sympathize or relate to the Firefly family that would allow one to root for a bunch of total sadistic, homicidal, people who seem to show absolutely no remorse for their actions nor any motivation for these actions beyond the simple pleasure of ritualistic torture, rape and murder? When you can find these examples of the development of the Firefly family's history and why they are what they are, get back to me....until then raffle down.

I think this film is brilliant because it is the perfect indication of just how far our society has fallen that people can sympathize with charcaters like the Firefly family where the the film gave no reason to relate to them other than the fact that they were funnier (and hot in Baby's case) than the force of good that pursuing them throughout the movie.

[Savage]

Okay, I don't know about everybody else but I didn't sympathize with them simply because one was hot, the other funny, and another badass. I sypathized because despite being psychotic hillbilly scum, they were just as human as the family they murdered in the hotel. That no matter who's hand the gun is in, killing is wrong and Zombie emphasized that. I wouldn't care less if they were ugly, boring folk. It's their family unity that got me. They are honestly just like any other america family. They have traditions, sadistic as they may be. They have fun and eat ice cream and joke around like anyone else and their buddies. Their concept of life and death is just f**ked up as all hell.

The way I see it, it's not who dies but the fact that someone DOES indeed die and that sucks. They can be punished for their crimes but nobody deserves death. No-one. And Rob Zombie did an awesome job showing that. If anything, someone cheering the execution of someone show's how little society has progressed. There's a quote I used to have in my sig from The Flash of all people and it went "The problem with an eye for an eye is everybody ends up blind.".

[reggiebar]

Okay, I don't know about everybody else but I didn't sympathize with them simply because one was hot, the other funny, and another badass. I sypathized because despite being psychotic hillbilly scum, they were just as human as the family they murdered in the hotel. That no matter who's hand the gun is in, killing is wrong and Zombie emphasized that. I wouldn't care less if they were ugly, boring folk. It's their family unity that got me. They are honestly just like any other america family. They have traditions, sadistic as they may be. They have fun and eat ice cream and joke around like anyone else and their buddies. Their concept of life and death is just f**ked up as all hell.

The way I see it, it's not who dies but the fact that someone DOES indeed die and that sucks. They can be punished for their crimes but nobody deserves death. No-one. And Rob Zombie did an awesome job showing that. If anything, someone cheering the execution of someone show's how little society has progressed. There's a quote I used to have in my sig from The Flash of all people and it went "The problem with an eye for an eye is everybody ends up blind.".


I hear yah...personally, I don't think that they were really developed as characters or as a family and that was why I posed the question about the character development or lack there of....

[The Dark Defender]

Anybody else think that 5 minute bull-riding rant by the family at the motel seemed rather pointless?

[Savage]

I guess that was character development.:confused:

[Demogoblin]

BTW, whatever happened to Grandpa Firefly? Did they put him in an old folks home for crazy people?

[The Dark Defender]

BTW, whatever happened to Grandpa Firefly? Did they put him in an old folks home for crazy people?

He would've been in it, but after Dennis Fimple died Zombie decided not to write him into DR.

[The Dark Defender]

I guess that was character development.:confused:

But it didn't characterize them, it's just random redneck ranting.
I love the film with a passion, I seen it for the 4th time today, and everytime that scene comes up I keep thinking "wtf did Zombie put this in the movie? :confused:"

[Demogoblin]

He would've been in it, but after Dennis Fimple died Zombie decided not to write him into DR.

The old guy died? Too bad. He was a sickening character. I hate when people talk with food in their mouth.

[The Dark Defender]

The old guy died? Too bad. He was a sickening character. I hate when people talk with food in their mouth.

Yup, he died before Corpses even came out. There's an in memory of him on the credits.

[That-Guy]

I saw this yesterday. I honestly can't say yet how I felt about it. Its the first movie that I can ever remember seeing that honestly nauseated me, but I guess that's the whole point. It wasn't bad by any means, but I don't think I can say I like it either. Most of the actors were pretty decent, excpet for Sherri Moon Zombie, whose "psycho-Barbie" performance was about as convincing as Keanu Reeves starring in a remake of The Godfather.

[The Dark Defender]

I saw this yesterday. I honestly can't say yet how I felt about it. Its the first movie that I can ever remember seeing that honestly nauseated me, but I guess that's the whole point. It wasn't bad by any means, but I don't think I can say I like it either. Most of the actors were pretty decent, excpet for Sherri Moon Zombie, whose "psycho-Barbie" performance was about as convincing as Keanu Reeves starring in a remake of The Godfather.

I thought she was great. She makes the character far more intense and adds emotion to it(ie. when Wydell is tormenting her at the end)instead of just the over the top eccentric routine in Corpses.

[That-Guy]

I thought she was great. She makes the character far more intense and adds emotion to it(ie. when Wydell is tormenting her at the end)instead of just the over the top eccentric routine in Corpses.

Well, to each his own, I guess.

[lockjaw]

I gotta put my 2 cents in here folks, This movie owned my you know what. I just went to pick up the soundtrack as it's sparked a long-lost love of southern rock in me. The opening scene set to Midnight Rider - AHHHH so good. This film is good because it resonates. You cant just leave it and walk away.


BTW- The Dukes sound track is even better. If the film's 1/2 as good as the music it's gonna be a classic.

[lockjaw]

. . . did I forget to say I really enjoyed this movie? Cause, like I totally did!

[Movies205]

This movie was terrible, the script was terrible, the acting was terrible, and it's just outright garbage unless your a gore-hound. It was jsut throw as much sick **** on the screen for no reason...

[lockjaw]

This movie was terrible, the script was terrible, the acting was terrible, and it's just outright garbage unless your a gore-hound. It was jsut throw as much sick **** on the screen for no reason...

If your easily offended why would you subject yourself to it in the first place? To say it's "garbage" is just silly. In this day and age of really bad movies this (film) is a breath of fresh air. Nuthin wrong with a little blood. I thought the whole thing was beautifull. It was pretty. Really well done. Best sound track and use of classic songs ever. Great dialouge too . . .

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Rob Zombie is a terrible Director, He should have just stuck with White Zombie.

[lockjaw]

Rob Zombie is a terrible Director, He should have just stuck with White Zombie.

. . . terrible like George Lucas or terrible like Mike Bay? Terrible like P.W. Anderson or just terrible like Tim Story? Isnt "terrible" a bit subjective?

BTW- best avatar ever:up:

[lockjaw]

Devils' Rejects is not a horror film, so comparing the Firefly clan with Freddy doesn't really work as they should be compared more to Kit & Holly from Badlands or Mickey & Mallory from NBK or even the group in the Wild Bunch.

The point is that in Badlands or even Natural Born Killers or The Wild Bunch, the films present the protaganists (murderers all of them) as sympathetic characters based on their backgrounds (okay not Mickey but certainly Mallory). So, when the audience "feels" or "sympathizes" with these characters, it is because a clear background to their motivations has been established and these characters have been developed so that the audience understands why they became what they became (murderers). Heck, even the background of what happened to Feddy Kruger is established so that the audience understands what made him turn into what he became. Now, in The Devil's Rejects, Rob Zombie was able to make a huge portoin of the audience of his film relate to a bunch of homicidal, sadistic murderers without EVER developing the history of these characters and perhaps what would have driven them into the life that they lead. So, when I argue that Rob Zombie was able to accomplish having a vast majority of the audience relate to these characters without ever giving the audience a "real/developed" reason to sympathize with these characters, I believe that I am correct in my assumption that the only reason that he was able to accomplish this task was because of how many people relate to stylized violence in today's society. See, I am not only examining the film but also then social climate of today's society and how Rob Zombie was able to accomplish the task of having the majority of the audience who enjoyed this film relate to these characters simply based on the fact that one was a hot babe and one was very funny clown. I believe that you are missing the point when you state that "that the charming or sympathetic killer isn't exactly a new thing in film" as, of course, it is not new in film. However, in those past instances, the motivations and past histories of what drove these charming or sympathetic killers to become what they become has been established in the film (for example what happened to Freddy Kruger when the town killed him or Mallory's father's constant abuse and child molestation during her youth).

So, I pose this question to you, what exactly in the Devil's Rejects or even H1000C, did Zombie establish that would allow the audience to sympathize or relate to the Firefly family that would allow one to root for a bunch of total sadistic, homicidal, people who seem to show absolutely no remorse for their actions nor any motivation for these actions beyond the simple pleasure of ritualistic torture, rape and murder? When you can find these examples of the development of the Firefly family's history and why they are what they are, get back to me....until then raffle down.

I think this film is brilliant because it is the perfect indication of just how far our society has fallen that people can sympathize with charcaters like the Firefly family where the the film gave no reason to relate to them other than the fact that they were funnier (and hot in Baby's case) than the force of good that pursuing them throughout the movie.


This is the best post I've read on any site in regards to the film. Summerizes my feelings twords the film even better than Ebert's gushing review. thanks

[Savage]

If your easily offended why would you subject yourself to it in the first place? To say it's "garbage" is just silly. In this day and age of really bad movies this (film) is a breath of fresh air. Nuthin wrong with a little blood. I thought the whole thing was beautifull. It was pretty. Really well done. Best sound track and use of classic songs ever. Great dialouge too . . .
oh hell yeah brutha! I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread! :up:

Just caught it again today. God, it's even better on repeat viewings.

"Boy...the next words to come out of your mouth better be some brilliant Mark Twain s**t cause I'm definately carving it on your gravestone."
Otis is the man!:D

[The Dark Defender]

This movie was terrible, the script was terrible, the acting was terrible, and it's just outright garbage unless your a gore-hound. It was jsut throw as much sick **** on the screen for no reason...

It wasn't even that gory.

[Punisher 04]

I gotta put my 2 cents in here folks, This movie owned my you know what. I just went to pick up the soundtrack as it's sparked a long-lost love of southern rock in me. The opening scene set to Midnight Rider - AHHHH so good. This film is good because it resonates. You cant just leave it and walk away.


BTW- The Dukes sound track is even better. If the film's 1/2 as good as the music it's gonna be a classic.

Yes indeed, The Devil's Rejects does OWN!


http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/lions_gate_films/the_devil_s_rejects/bill_moseley/devilsrejects1.jpg
"I'm calling the shots! Consider me f****** Willy ****ing Wonka. This is my f****** chocolate factory. You got it? My factory!" ~ Otis

[Punisher 04]

"It has to be the sickest, the most twisted, the most deranged movie so far this year. And I'm giving it thumbs up because it's very good at what it wants to be."
-- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER


"The results are for seasoned -- even hardened -- horror-movie fans only; anyone else need not apply."
-- Ken Hanke, MOUNTAIN XPRESS (ASHEVILLE, NC)

I agree with these two reviews, I too give it a thumbs up :up: because it's not your typical Hollywood mainstream movie. It's a movie for fans of horror not for those who like crap like the Grudge, Boogeyman, Hide and Seek or anything with a stupid little kid. :unishr:

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/images/corpses22.jpg

[Demogoblin]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/lions_gate_films/the_devil_s_rejects/bill_moseley/devilsrejects1.jpg
"I'm calling the shots! Consider me f****** Willy ****ing Wonka. This is my f****** chocolate factory. You got it? My factory!" ~ Otis


Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! :D :up: :up: :up: :up: :D

[Movies205]

If your easily offended why would you subject yourself to it in the first place? To say it's "garbage" is just silly. In this day and age of really bad movies this (film) is a breath of fresh air. Nuthin wrong with a little blood. I thought the whole thing was beautifull. It was pretty. Really well done. Best sound track and use of classic songs ever. Great dialouge too . . .

Easily offended? Not really but there was no point to the movie at all, there was no great message here, no great film master-piece, just an overly-gorey throw-back to 70s horror, it's just cheezy as hell and it was actually fun in the sense that I and my friends were laughing the entire movie at how cheezy it was.

[guitarsingerguy]

It wasn't even that gory.

I didn't find it that sick and gory either. :confused:

[The Lumberjack]

This film is good because it resonates. You cant just leave it and walk away.
Exactly. I can't get it out of my head. I'm honestly afraid I'm going to go broke on this movie, what w/ repeat viewings, figures, posters, t-shirts. I'm a consumer whore who can't whipe the twisted, s**t-eating grin off of his face.:(

[The Dark Defender]

I didn't find it that sick and gory either. :confused:

I thought it was extremely sick, but not all that gory.

[The Dark Defender]

Exactly. I can't get it out of my head. I'm honestly afraid I'm going to go broke on this movie, what w/ repeat viewings, figures, posters, t-shirts. I'm a consumer whore who can't whipe the twisted, s**t-eating grin off of his face.:(

Yup, I'm seeing it for the 5th x tonight, plus I've already bought 2 t-shirts, the soundtrack, all 4 figures(Baby, Otis, Spaulding, and Tiny), magnets, and I'm more merchanise to come...

[guitarsingerguy]

I thought it was extremely sick, but not all that gory.

Eh, I'm reading a Jack the Ripper study now, so I guess in comparison this was kinda tame. That's all.

[The Dark Defender]

They didn't actually have to go all the way, they still got me to that unnerved, nauteous point.

Like Otis putting a gun in a woman's vagina, ugh:(

[Savage]

Easily offended? Not really but there was no point to the movie at all, there was no great message here, no great film master-piece, just an overly-gorey throw-back to 70s horror, it's just cheezy as hell and it was actually fun in the sense that I and my friends were laughing the entire movie at how cheezy it was.
And that's a bad thing?:confused:

[lockjaw]

^^ no kidding, sounds like a good review to me^^

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Like Otis putting a gun in a woman's vagina, ugh:(Some girls like that. :)

[lockjaw]

Yup, I'm seeing it for the 5th x tonight, plus I've already bought 2 t-shirts, the soundtrack, all 4 figures(Baby, Otis, Spaulding, and Tiny), magnets, and I'm more merchanise to come...

Links please!!! I need all this stuff too, particularly a Baby "doll":up: . I guess it's on ebay? At any rate I'm going back for round 2 tonight with my girlfriend. The cool part is - she doesnt know anything about the movie at all!! Rejects rocks! It is now officially my favorite movie of the summer . . .

[lockjaw]

Some girls like that. :)

that could be the quote of the week . . .:eek:

[lockjaw]

Easily offended? Not really but there was no point to the movie at all, there was no great message here, no great film master-piece, just an overly-gorey throw-back to 70s horror, it's just cheezy as hell and it was actually fun in the sense that I and my friends were laughing the entire movie at how cheezy it was.

okay dimwit:) 70's "horror" is as follows . . .
1. Exorcist
2. Rosemary's baby
3. Jaws
4. The Omen
these are horror movies. Devil's is not, nor does it even claim to be. In fact Devil's is closer to the classic road trip/crime movie Easy Rider, or more recentlly because it seems like you havent seen a film made before 1990 . . . Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers, Freeway or the first half of Dusk till Dawn . . .I'm just saying . . .

[The Dark Defender]

Links please!!! I need all this stuff too, particularly a Baby "doll":up: . I guess it's on ebay? At any rate I'm going back for round 2 tonight with my girlfriend. The cool part is - she doesnt know anything about the movie at all!! Rejects rocks! It is now officially my favorite movie of the summer . . .

The figures I got on Ebay, but they also sell them at Hot Topic and Spencer's Gifts. I got the t-shirts and magnets at Hot Topic and they also sell DR lunch boxes.

[Savage]

okay dimwit:) 70's "horror" is as follows . . .
1. Exorcist
2. Rosemary's baby
3. Jaws
4. The Omen
these are horror movies. Devil's is not, nor does it even claim to be. In fact Devil's is closer to the classic road trip/crime movie Easy Rider, or more recentlly because it seems like you havent seen a film made before 1990 . . . Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers, Freeway or the first half of Dusk till Dawn . . .I'm just saying . . .
THANK YOU! Those are EXACTLY the movies I thought of when I saw it. Also thought of Bonnie and Clyde. Especially because of the ending.

[lockjaw]

"Never turn your back on a F**king clown!" Saw it again last night. Unfortunatlly my girlfriend didnt think it was qute as special as I do/did. I 'll see it again when I get the DVD, I dont wanna burn-myself-out on it . . .

[Movies205]

I think this film is brilliant because it is the perfect indication of just how far our society has fallen that people can sympathize with charcaters like the Firefly family where the the film gave no reason to relate to them other than the fact that they were funnier (and hot in Baby's case) than the force of good that pursuing them throughout the movie.

I think I figure out why I didn't like this film... and it's UTTERLY pathetic, it's probably because I have morals. Everyone keeps saying how they sympathise for the stupid family, I was happy when they were brought in and had no sympathy for them at all when they started getting tortured. If you have to be morrally depraved to enjoy this movie then I suppose you have a case. Now let me make one thing clear I'm not against gory movies I loved Evil Dead 1 and 2, I own Nightmare on Elm Street Box Set along with the F13 box set, I love the living dead series, I mean I have special place in my heart for gore and what not because it's fun to watch because the bad guy always dies in the end and it isn't a glorification of it nor is it seeking sympathy for the killer.


okay dimwit 70's "horror" is as follows . . .
1. Exorcist
2. Rosemary's baby
3. Jaws
4. The Omen
these are horror movies. Devil's is not, nor does it even claim to be. In fact Devil's is closer to the classic road trip/crime movie Easy Rider, or more recentlly because it seems like you havent seen a film made before 1990 . . . Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers, Freeway or the first half of Dusk till Dawn . . .I'm just saying

No need for insults merely having conversation, only ignorant and fanatics insult people and usually there opinions mean nothing, please show your above this. As for 70s horror are you not forgetting Texas Chainsaw Masscre? and how about Last House on the Left, so please my point still stands. Devil's Rejects is a horror movie the only difference between this and TCM(other than TCM actually being a good movie) is that it told from the killer's point of view. Now this is my opinion, please have an educated response instead of insults because I'm merely stating my point of view as I respect your opinion and I'm not even looking to even change it merely pointing out why my opinion is the way it is. I hate how I have to explain this all the time...

[The Dark Defender]

I love how you say "no need for insults" after you basically just insulted anybody that likes the movie. :rolleyes:

[lockjaw]

No need for insults merely having conversation, only ignorant and fanatics insult people and usually there opinions mean nothing, please show your above this. As for 70s horror are you not forgetting Texas Chainsaw Masscre? and how about Last House on the Left, so please my point still stands. Devil's Rejects is a horror movie the only difference between this and TCM(other than TCM actually being a good movie) is that it told from the killer's point of view. Now this is my opinion, please have an educated response instead of insults because I'm merely stating my point of view as I respect your opinion and I'm not even looking to even change it merely pointing out why my opinion is the way it is. I hate how I have to explain this all the time...

I guess your one of those overly-sensitive posters that over-look smileys (as my post was littered with them!) when it suits your weak POV. That's fine, I really was nice before - Remember you're the one that called it "GARBAGE" and more or less left it at that- but now I suppose I have to break-it-down a little clearer for you. You only mention 2 films ( that are decidedly NOT true HORROR films) above and the rest of your post is spent blabbering about how "we are all intitled to an opinion ect, ect" I agree with the second part but let's address the first. You are compairing the DR to TCM because they both take place in Texas and have killer families the similarities between the films ends there. LHOTL is an example of what is now called "survival" horror. You could have also mentioned The Hills Have Eyes or I Spit on Your Grave. These films were/are grindhouse B-movies and their focus was more kin to the "slasher" genre than that of "horror"

If I have to justify my pleasure in Devil's Rejects I would link it to the technical side of the production. They got the look of the period right. The edits and cinamatography are killer. The soundtrack, again couldnt think of a better use of music in a film . . . reminds me of Resevor Dogs in that regard. Speaking of Resevor Dogs, I find Devil's Rejects closest to that film in terms of tone and building anti-heros out of truely hate-able characters.

[Movies205]

I guess your one of those overly-sensitive posters that over-look smileys (as my post was littered with them!) when it suits your weak POV. That's fine, I really was nice before - Remember you're the one that called it "GARBAGE" and more or less left it at that- but now I suppose I have to break-it-down a little clearer for you. You only mention 2 films ( that are decidedly NOT true HORROR films) above and the rest of your post is spent blabbering about how "we are all intitled to an opinion ect, ect" I agree with the second part but let's address the first. You are compairing the DR to TCM because they both take place in Texas and have killer families the similarities between the films ends there. LHOTL is an example of what is now called "survival" horror. You could have also mentioned The Hills Have Eyes or I Spit on Your Grave. These films were/are grindhouse B-movies and their focus was more kin to the "slasher" genre than that of "horror"

If I have to justify my pleasure in Devil's Rejects I would link it to the technical side of the production. They got the look of the period right. The edits and cinamatography are killer. The soundtrack, again couldnt think of a better use of music in a film . . . [b]reminds me of Resevor Dogs in that regard. Speaking of Resevor Dogs, I find Devil's Rejects closest to that film in terms of tone and building anti-heros out of truely hate-able characters.

Sorry I couldn't read it.... I needed to change it back to regular forum style.

FIrst off Reservoir dogs is a good movie, do you know why? Because the psychotic killer is not the guy we're suppose to sympathise with, he's the guy we naturally hate and want dead. COMPLETELY different films both of course are gory but Reservoir Dogs is masterfully directed because the gore is used to emphasize the brutality and sick mind of Mr. Blonde and made us hate him more so when he died it was good. If you noticed the main characters Mr. WHite and Mr. Orange were "good" character, one was an undercover FBI agent and the other was just a man trying to make his way in the world if you noticed he didn't want kill innocent life yet was still on the wrong side of the law. While Devil's Rejects takes three terrible people who sick and psychotic and expects us to feel bad for them. The point of a movie is to sympathise with the main character or to actually care about them and there "problem". Now how the hell could you actually care about the family in Devil's Rejects unless you were sick in the head(no offense) just making a rhetorical family. Here are three people with no redeaming values and they take pleasure in torturing and killing people. Now one could argue that the movie was about Wydell and we're suppose to feel bad for him but it tolds through the eyes of psychotic family, well if it was then ROb Zombie failed horribly as a director and writer because the Wydell character is a terrible uninteresting and cliche character thus making it boring. TCM is a horror film and this is a horror film. Any movie that's subject matter is about torture and obscene killing is a horror movie just like Silence of the Lambs is a horror movie.

Now as for the "Techincal Side" of things a movie can nail everythign perfectly in terms of the Techincal Side of things, I mean look at Passion of the Christ the film is ABSOLUTELY beautifully shot but the movie itself is crap and that's because the story of the "MOVIE" sucks, it's just a guy getting torture for 2 hours. Now I agree the look of the film is excellent but the editing and soundtrack I thought were lame. Actually I think the look of the characters are awesome I thought the posters were great and I saw a lot of potential but in the end the script is destroyed by crappy acting and cliche one-liners, and a ****ty script.

Now as for me saying the film is garbage perhaps that was a bit harsh, I mean in my review over at my thread I gave it 5 stars but That wasn't insult toward you guys, so I don't know why you take it as such.

[Movies205]

I love how you say "no need for insults" after you basically just insulted anybody that likes the movie. :rolleyes:

And when did I do this?

[lockjaw]

I'm agreeing to disagree with you. I think we're the only 2 around here that even care one way or another at this point anyway . . .

[lockjaw]

the soundtrack does indeed rock. That I'm not budging on . . .

[Movies205]

I'm agreeing to disagree with you. I think we're the only 2 around here that even care one way or another at this point anyway . . .

That's fine :D I like arguing the point because most of the time I learn something new or see something I didn't before such as that the film was well made, I will say that.

[The Dark Defender]

And when did I do this?

Claiming people that like the film don't have morals is pretty much insulting them.

[lockjaw]

bump . . .DR's rules. Plain and simple.

[reggiebar]

This is the best post I've read on any site in regards to the film. Summerizes my feelings twords the film even better than Ebert's gushing review. thanks
Thanks a lot

[lockjaw]

THANK YOU! Those are EXACTLY the movies I thought of when I saw it. Also thought of Bonnie and Clyde. Especially because of the ending.


Yep, I forgot that one, dead-on observation - but the score is better in Devil's Rejects! Bonnie & Clyde is a film I (personally) burned-out about 8 years ago. I love that movie. I'm giving it another year before I start watching it again! :up:

[lockjaw]

Thanks a lot


you gotta give up the props when they're due:)

[lockjaw]

bump . . .DR's rules. Plain and simple.

go see it. Then return here to discuss . . .

[logan_weapon_x]

Just out in the UK. Really liked it. Not once did I ever sympathise with the Firefly clan. I relished every minute that Wydell ripped them to pieces. There were a few walk outs though. I think the people kinda misunderstood what the movie was about, over here.

[Dark Donnie]

I still haven't seen ti!

[logan_weapon_x]

Oh and Darkdonnie - Best Avatar Ever!

[Dark Donnie]

Oh and Darkdonnie - Best Avatar Ever!
Thanks, im in a Johnny Cash phase after seeing the Walk the Line trailer!

[Balthus Dire]

So, yeah. I just watched HO1000C. I have a few questions.


1) What happens to Grandpa in Devils Rejects? He was in the first movie, then he's gone in the second.

2) The last 20 minutes. What the gay happened here? I mean, they way I figured, Dr. Satan was a messed up dude on life support who continued weird experiements on people from underneath the town. I assumed the Fireflys put people in the ground there to give to Dr. Satan. Am I correct in this assumption?


All in all, I have to say Devil's Rejects was 1000 times better than the first film. Way smarter, way more realistic, way more original, way better characters, and no supernatural crap that makes no ****in sense.

Bleh!

[Balthus Dire]

I think I figure out why I didn't like this film... and it's UTTERLY pathetic, it's probably because I have morals. Everyone keeps saying how they sympathise for the stupid family, I was happy when they were brought in and had no sympathy for them at all when they started getting tortured. If you have to be morrally depraved to enjoy this movie then I suppose you have a case. Now let me make one thing clear I'm not against gory movies I loved Evil Dead 1 and 2, I own Nightmare on Elm Street Box Set along with the F13 box set, I love the living dead series, I mean I have special place in my heart for gore and what not because it's fun to watch because the bad guy always dies in the end and it isn't a glorification of it nor is it seeking sympathy for the killer.




That's why this movie is so interesting for me. I didn't exactly feel sympathy for the characters when they were being tortured, but you do come to like them. They are likeable characters when you forget all the messed up **** they do to people, and that's the really interesting part.

You can like these guys, but they are psychopaths who would kill you without batting an eye.

[Savage]

So, yeah. I just watched HO1000C. I have a few questions.


1) What happens to Grandpa in Devils Rejects? He was in the first movie, then he's gone in the second.

2) The last 20 minutes. What the gay happened here? I mean, they way I figured, Dr. Satan was a messed up dude on life support who continued weird experiements on people from underneath the town. I assumed the Fireflys put people in the ground there to give to Dr. Satan. Am I correct in this assumption?


All in all, I have to say Devil's Rejects was 1000 times better than the first film. Way smarter, way more realistic, way more original, way better characters, and no supernatural crap that makes no ****in sense.

Bleh!There was nothing supernatural about it. Dr. Satan kept his victims alive, he just f**ked them up really bad, pretty much creating his own freakshow(which Otis tries to copy. He idolizes the guy apparantly). I liked the last 20 minutes. The whole revelation of Dr.Satan. Especially cut with Captain Spaulding's narration and images from the ride. What I think happened though is she was caught. The last 20 minutes was probably just a dream cause Earl was definately alive and well. I don't know at what point it was but she was caught and brought down...

What I think personally is is that she was just another one of his subjects. The whole movie was her recalling how she got there or even dreaming it. It all could be a lie or maybe the last 20 minutes was a lie. Who knows for sure except Rob himself. She woke up only to either a)be reminded where she is and always has been and that the whole escape thing was just a dream or b)wakes up to realize she was captured and has become one of Dr. Satan's experiments.

Either way it was a kickass movie for me and I know very few people that DIDN'T like it.

[logan_weapon_x]

One thing I noticed about Spaulding was that he didnt seem to really kill anyone in this one. And in the last one only killed the guys that tried to rob them. Now doesn't this make you think perhaps he was only trying to keep them to calm it down a bit and was only involved cause Baby was?

[Savage]

I agree but I don't think that'd stop him from killing anyone as easily as they would. Remeber, the cops found this protfolio/album of him playing with the corpses.

[logan_weapon_x]

Yeah I remember that. I actually made this picture in illustrator form that very image of him with the bloody hands.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2734/devils3eb.png

[Savage]

Nice.:cool:

[logan_weapon_x]

Thanks, its meant to be like a window sticker. I acutally preferred Rejects alot to House. Mainly cause there was more Spaulding, Otis was a good character but I hated him in the movie, as you're meant to. But I thought Spaulding was great.

"Where we going, baby!"

"You ain't going nowhere *****!" :D

[Savage]

Yeah, that'd make an awesome shirt too. I liked this one more than House also but because of Otis. Spaulding is great comic relief and all but Otis just keeps rapidly shooting badass lines.:cool:

"Boy, the next word that comes out of your mouth better be some brilliant ****in' Mark Twain ****. 'Cause it's definitely getting chiseled on your tombstone."


Captain J.T. Spaulding: "Two ****ing seconds for the kid, is that gonna kill you? "
Otis: "Yes, it is going to kill me! I have calculated, and two seconds is exactly the amount of time that's a hazard to my ****ing health."

"Consider me ****in' Willy ****in' Wonka! This is my ****ing chocolate factory! You got it? My factory!"

[logan_weapon_x]

I found myself liking him more near the end and I liked him alot more in this one than the first. I love the Ice Cream scene.

[Balthus Dire]

Nobody answered me as to what happens to Grandpa?

[The Dark Defender]

One thing I noticed about Spaulding was that he didnt seem to really kill anyone in this one. And in the last one only killed the guys that tried to rob them. Now doesn't this make you think perhaps he was only trying to keep them to calm it down a bit and was only involved cause Baby was?

He also looked like he was bothered by Otis and Baby torturing the woman at the motel.

[The Dark Defender]

Nobody answered me as to what happens to Grandpa?

Zombie just didn't want to include him in the story of Dennis Fimple died, his fate isn't made clear.

[reggiebar]

Nobody answered me as to what happens to Grandpa?
Read all the pages in this thread as this question is addressed already.

[reggiebar]

BTW, whatever happened to Grandpa Firefly? Did they put him in an old folks home for crazy people?

He would've been in it, but after Dennis Fimple died Zombie decided not to write him into DR.

Read the actual posts next time

[Balthus Dire]

How about you stop crying? :rolleyes:




I just learned the opening song "Midnight Rider" on my acoustic. Pimpin!

[logan_weapon_x]

How about you stop crying? :rolleyes:




I just learned the opening song "Midnight Rider" on my acoustic. Pimpin!

Great song.

[ShaneHelms]

He also looked like he was bothered by Otis and Baby torturing the woman at the motel.


Yeah, I think Spaudling isnt with them on that part, hes just associated with them, and the cops would have taken him down for knowing him, and he wanted to protect Baby.

[logan_weapon_x]

But at the same time he had his blood on his hands and was smiling in the photo. Perhaps he got into it at first but carried on purely because of Baby. I loved how you instantly saw the caring side of him towards his daughter when she phoned him.

[The Dark Defender]

Matthew McGrory(who plays Tiny)died today, he was only 32 years old.:(

[guitarsingerguy]

Matthew McGrory(who plays Tiny)died today, he was only 32 years old.:(

:eek: Are you serious?! That sucks so bad. Does anyone know exactly what the condition he had was called?

[The Dark Defender]

:eek: Are you serious?! That sucks so bad. Does anyone know exactly what the condition he had was called?

I think it's called Giantitus.

[Balthus Dire]

Matthew McGrory(who plays Tiny)died today, he was only 32 years old.:(


Where did you hear that?


I can't find anything on it.

[The Dark Defender]

Where did you hear that?


I can't find anything on it.

http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2367

[Savage]

I think it's called Giantitus.
...Wow. Who was the creative genius that came up with that one? lol

But man...That is sad...He's a really nice guy, despite his unfortunate life. Managed to make it some distance in the buisness despite his dissability...Real shame...:(

[Balthus Dire]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

[Symbiotica]

Rob made us listen to "Free Bird." And almost the whole song, too. Dang, Rob. Now THAT'S some sadism for you.

:)

Can't wait for the unedited DVD. :up:

[logan_weapon_x]

Yeah the Dvd's out here on boxing day in the UK. Oh and after buying the action figures, I have changed my mind. Spaulding really is an evil piece of ****.

[Symbiotica]

:eek: Are you serious?! That sucks so bad. Does anyone know exactly what the condition he had was called?

It is called gigantism, and most of the afflicted do not live past the mid-30's.

It's a very serious, and very sad condition.

[Motown Marvel]

Rob made us listen to "Free Bird." And almost the whole song, too. Dang, Rob. Now THAT'S some sadism for you.

:)

Can't wait for the unedited DVD. :up:


im sorry, but are you criticising free bird in a neagtive manner? if so, i may have to e-kill you.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Nice to hear Joe Walsh loud in a theater.
I just saw it a few days ago. It was WAY better than his first movie. But people should stop saying that it's so disturbing and brutal. It's pretty brutal, but I was let down.

Also, please, if any of you ever make a movie?...Don't use slo-mo. Gawd I'm tired of directors thinking that "slow motion" = "drama". :rolleyes:

[The Dark Defender]

I loved the use of slo-mo.

[Sarge]

Rob made us listen to "Free Bird." And almost the whole song, too. Dang, Rob. Now THAT'S some sadism for you.
I'm going to start wounding you now. :mad:

[Savage]

im sorry, but are you criticising free bird in a neagtive manner? if so, i may have to e-kill you.
:up: One of the greatest songs of all time right there.

And don't knock the slo-mo. When used right(like in this movie) it's awesome.

[The Dark Defender]

http://www.myamalgam.com/MattMcGroryTribute.html

[logan_weapon_x]

Just back from seeing it, again. Ace film.

[Sarge]

Was it anywhere near as mindlessly violent as the first?

I'll never forget the time that I saw "House" in theaters and the dude next to me turned to me and said "This movie's ****in sick".

[logan_weapon_x]

Well every showing i've been to and heard about involved at least one group of people getting up and leaving.

[Sarge]

Well every showing i've been to and heard about involved at least one group of people getting up and leaving.
Heh, good enough. :)

I'll probably wait 'til it comes out on DVD.

[logan_weapon_x]

Its alot better than House, in my opinion. The violence is alot more realistically sadistic if you know what I mean?

[Sarge]

Its alot better than House, in my opinion. The violence is alot more realistically sadistic if you know what I mean?
Yeah, House was pretty over the top, but that was part of the 'charm' of the film. From what I can tell this seems to be more in your face and gritty.

[logan_weapon_x]

Yeah, House was pretty over the top, but that was part of the 'charm' of the film. From what I can tell this seems to be more in your face and gritty.

House had more of a fnatasy vibe to it. This is just brutal violence.

[Sarge]

House had more of a fnatasy vibe to it. This is just brutal violence.
It also (apparently) has Sheri Moons boobahs, which give this film an automatic ":up:" for me, and I haven't seen it yet. :o

[logan_weapon_x]

Also there's alot of Spaulding in it, which is great as I love the character.

[Sarge]

Speaking of boobahs...I miss your old avatars. :(

[logan_weapon_x]

Speaking of boobahs...I miss your old avatars. :(

You remember my old avatars? I havent had any boobahs avatars in ages.

[Sarge]

Hell yes I do. Back when I was a newbie that was one of the highlights of going to community. Damn...days long past, huh?

[logan_weapon_x]

Hell yes I do. Back when I was a newbie that was one of the highlights of going to community. Damn...days long past, huh?

They'll return soon enough. Just havent found a nice pair of boobahs in a while.

[The Dark Defender]

Robs Statement regarding Matthew McGrory:

"Well, I'm sure you all have heard the sad news of Matt's passing. It is a sudden and terrible shock to us all. Matt was a gentle and sweet guy and we will miss him dearly. It was a tight and wonderful group that made House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects and Matty was a major part of the reason why it was so special. "

- Rob Zombie

[Symbiotica]

im sorry, but are you criticising free bird in a neagtive manner? if so, i may have to e-kill you.

Yes, I am.... so bring it :) If you lived in the South, you'd hate it too. It's like that and "Sweet Home Alabama" are the theme-songs of the entire south, there is no escaping them and it does get old. So yes, I do detest "Free Bird" and in fact just about all Skynyrd, period.

It also (apparently) has Sheri Moons boobahs, which give this film an automatic "" for me, and I haven't seen it yet.

Not in the version I saw. You see cleavage; she's not topless or anything so don't get your hopes up.

[Sarge]

Yes, I am.... so bring it :) If you lived in the South, you'd hate it too. It's like that and "Sweet Home Alabama" are the theme-songs of the entire south, there is no escaping them and it does get old. So yes, I do detest "Free Bird" and in fact just about all Skynyrd, period.



Not in the version I saw. You see cleavage; she's not topless or anything so don't get your hopes up.
To hating Freebird: :mad::down

To lack of boobahs: :(:down

[The Dark Defender]

To lack of boobahs: :(:down

You see her completely bare-ass twice, plus she has holes in her jeans that reveal alot of it even when they're all the way up, and they're falling down on her several times throughout the movie if it makes you feel any better.:)

[Sarge]

You see her completely bare-ass twice, plus she has holes in her jeans that reveal alot of it even when they're all the way up, and they're falling down on her several times throughout the movie if it makes you feel any better.:)Sort of. :(

[Balthus Dire]

Yeah Rob Zombie definately likes showing off his wife's ass.

[Motown Marvel]

yeah and i defenitely like rob zombie showing off his wifes ass.

[reggiebar]

Yeah Rob Zombie definately likes showing off his wife's ass.
In the immortal words of the character of Max Bialystock, "That's it, baby, when you've got it, flaunt it, flaunt it!"

[The Dark Defender]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mrvengeance/tdrdvd.jpg

http://www.horrorchannel.com/dread/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2309

[logan_weapon_x]

Yeah saw that the other day. Badass. Its out on Nov 8th and we have to wait till Boxing Day in the UK. So it looks like i'll be getting region 1.

[The Dark Defender]

Here's the final dvd cover, much better than the first one they showed and I'm glad it's not the exact same cover that's on the soundtrack...

http://www.fangoria.com/graphics/articles/4587_article.jpg

and here's a link with the list of bonus material...

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4587

[logan_weapon_x]

I love that image. I wanted the poster like that but it's impossible to get here in the UK.

[Savage]

Here's the final dvd cover, much better than the first one they showed and I'm glad it's not the exact same cover that's on the soundtrack...

http://www.fangoria.com/graphics/articles/4587_article.jpg

and here's a link with the list of bonus material...

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4587
I like this much better. Can't wait. :up:

[The Dark Defender]

http://horror.about.com/od/dvdrevie..._tdr_extras.htm

1. First off is the documentary entitled "30 Days In Hell" this is a very detailed making of doc that follows the complete journey of the film from early meeting to the last day of shooting. If you ever wondered how much work it is to make a movie this will give you some idea.

2. The Morris Green Show - this is the local talk show that Gloria Sullivan is watching in the motel. Well, you get to see the entire 20 minute episode, featuring the very funny Daniel Roebuck as Morris Green and Dwayne Whitaker as Dr. Robert Bankhead as expert on occult crimes.


3. Deleted scenes - there is about 20 minutes of cut scenes featuring such scenes as "The Pork Rind scene" with Ken Foree and EG Daily, "Dr. Satan" featuring Dr. Satan, William Forsthye, MC Gainey and Rosario Dawson, and several other scenes featuring Michael "Clevon" Berryman, Sheri Moon Zombie, Bill Moseley and others.

4. Otis’s Home Movies - this will explain what happened to Valerie Green, one of the missing cheerleaders in the photo Wydell staples to Otis's chest.

5. Spaulding TV Commercials - first is Mary the Monkey Girl as seen in the film, and Spaulding's X-Mas commercial for his Murder Ride Gift certificates.

6. Blooper reel - highlights of things going wrong on set.

7. A tribute to Matt - this is a video tribute to our beloved Tiny.

8. Director commentary and actor commentary Sid, Bill and Sheri.

9. Trailers and TV spots

10. And possibly more… we are still working on it.

[블라스]

I just saw this movie for the first time (rented it).
I thought "Ho1000c" was just ok, nothing special (I spent almost the entire movie with my face like this...:dry:) .

But this movie KICKED my ass, I did not expect to love it so much.

I am so buying the 2 disc set :up:

How are the "unrated" scenes?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes. It was awesome to see a director make such a quantum leap in prowess in only 2 films.

The first one was pretty embarrassing and had a handful of admirable elements, but the second one, I could tell he had a better handle on how to put out what he was imagining.

I think part of that may've been that in the first one, he (subconsciously or not), feared that it was too personal, would flop, and therefore he'd never get a budget like that again (maybe he'd never heard of Uwe Boll at the time).

So it was a Magic Bullet full of a lots of unrelated influences, just 'cause he wanted to get a life's worth of Horror fandom into one movie so he could watch it.

But once he was clear to make another movie, he actually.....made a movie.