The Offical Peter Fonda/Mephisto Thread (All Pics/News Welcome!)

[CAPoholic]

Do you think he will look like the classic, almost human form or the gargauntuan devil from the early Marvel Knight black panther issues.

http://www.classicmarvel.com/pictures/mephisto.jpg Versus
http://www.phonogram.us/images/comics/panther/panther_highlight_t/Devils_PantsT.JPG (http://www.phonogram.us/archive/panther/bppants.htm)

[Morg]

just nothing like that stupid demon in Spawn :( that was terrible

[CAPoholic]

I agree

[CAPoholic]

Very poor computer animation

[BIGGUN]

They have Miles Teves working on concept art...and his specialty is demons and devils.
check his stuff out at his site:
http://www.milesteves.com/

Mephisto could possibly have that classic "devil look"...we will see though.
i do hope its not the original comic version...would look rather goofy to have him walking around in red socks ..heh

[The Flash]

just nothing like that stupid demon in Spawn :( that was terrible
And the voice was a classic Devil/Demon voice. Nothing creative.

[FlameHead]

As much as I'd love to see him in his true form, I think it would work best if he was human. He needs not to have a costume because he's the freakin' devil. Satan doesn't need any clothes in fact... though, if he's human, he likely will.

There is the chance we'll see him in mutliple ways. Maybe Ghost Rider will visit Hell..

[Guyverjay]

And the voice was a classic Devil/Demon voice. Nothing creative.


It was the voice of Doctor Claw from the Inspector gadget cartoon

[Isildur´s Heir]

Mephisto is a very powerful demon, so, shapeshifting is one of his many powers, so, he can very well use the almost human form in one scene (but, needs to be updated a bit).
But, it´s true form needs to be much more demonic.

[FlameHead]

... if we even see his true form.

[BIGGUN]

personally i would never show him in his true form....its like something from a HP Lovecraft story where if you looked at this entity you would die or go mad from the sheer horror of it. that to me is cool to leave his true appearance up to the audience's imagination....not to mention cheaper! heh
i would rather have Mephisto as a normal human throughout most of the movie ...only in certain scenes his shadow would look..deformed or monstrous. just little hints that he isnt human...

[FlameHead]

I like the idea of having his shape different in shadows. That's a great idea.

I wouldn't mind seeing his true form just once though... perhaps in a Blaze dream sequence or flashback or something. A flash of the Devil laughing on his throne or something.

[Docker2.0]

personally i would never show him in his true form....its like something from a HP Lovecraft story where if you looked at this entity you would die or go mad from the sheer horror of it. that to me is cool to leave his true appearance up to the audience's imagination....not to mention cheaper! heh
i would rather have Mephisto as a normal human throughout most of the movie ...only in certain scenes his shadow would look..deformed or monstrous. just little hints that he isnt human...
I agree. Kind of like the bad guy in the Golden Child. He changed to his true form at the end but he shouldn't have.

[FlameHead]

Golden Child? I haven't thought of that movie in years. Neat.

If they do show Mephisto in his true form, it'll come in the end. Perhaps he'll turn just as Ghost Rider thinks he has him defeated, showing that he cannot be...

[Red Mask]

If Mephisto is going to appear in this can we expect a fight with Ghost Rider? I don't recall any superhero ever hitting or hurting him physically. Except for, of course, Franklin Richards.

[Morg]

Galactus gave him a whopping but it was a stalemate against each other. Hard to recall but didn't the Thing clobber him once when Mephisto upped his strength?

[BIGGUN]

If Mephisto is going to appear in this can we expect a fight with Ghost Rider? I don't recall any superhero ever hitting or hurting him physically. Except for, of course, Franklin Richards.

I really, REALLY hope Mephisto doesnt fight anyone! he should be the one getting other people to do the fights for him. it would just cheapen the character if he suddenly starting duking it out w/ Ghost Rider. if he is the source of all evil why would he even lower himself to physically fighting someone? thats for lesser beings...the Devil has always been the liar, cheater, and puppetmaster. hes also always been portrayed as being extremely shrewd, intelligent, and cold blooded. it wouldnt seem right for him to fight anyone IMO....
I cant recall if Mephisto ever "fought" someone in the comics but i do know he never actually fought GR. Blackheart did supposedly kill Mephisto in the sequel one-shot comic to "Hearts of Darkness". he managed to stab his father w/ a knife coated in innocent blood ....which apparently was enough to kill him...or at least appear to kill him.
from the story synopsis Mephisto "hires" Blaze to become the Ghost Rider so that he can hunt down and kill his own son Blackheart. BH is trying to kill his father so that he can take over Hell as its new lord. Blackheart will be the one that GR will have to fight...

[FlameHead]

Which is so freakin' awesome. Siding with the devil to win the day. Of course, the devil isn't going to give Blaze what he promises and the story will continue. Yay for sequels.

I agree with BG though. Mephisto should not fight. He should be like a Randall Flagg of sorts (Stephen King's 'The Stand' for those not in the know) gathering his minons to do his dirty work. He didn't fight, per say but he did control a lot of people into do bad thing for him. This was King's Devil.

[TheVileOne]

Didn't Thanos whomp his ass once?

[Red Mask]

Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet at the time.

[Morg]

Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet at the time.

Yep he whomped the entire universe ass at that time :D

[Spider-Kurt]

If Mephisto is going to appear in this can we expect a fight with Ghost Rider? I don't recall any superhero ever hitting or hurting him physically. Except for, of course, Franklin Richards.
In the first story arc of Christopher Priest's Black Panther,T'Challa took him out,partially due to Mephisto's prolonged time in this world and out of Hell.

[Riding Ghost]

I really, REALLY hope Mephisto doesnt fight anyone! he should be the one getting other people to do the fights for him. it would just cheapen the character if he suddenly starting duking it out w/ Ghost Rider. if he is the source of all evil why would he even lower himself to physically fighting someone? thats for lesser beings...the Devil has always been the liar, cheater, and puppetmaster. hes also always been portrayed as being extremely shrewd, intelligent, and cold blooded. it wouldnt seem right for him to fight anyone IMO....
I cant recall if Mephisto ever "fought" someone in the comics but i do know he never actually fought GR. Blackheart did supposedly kill Mephisto in the sequel one-shot comic to "Hearts of Darkness". he managed to stab his father w/ a knife coated in innocent blood ....which apparently was enough to kill him...or at least appear to kill him.
from the story synopsis Mephisto "hires" Blaze to become the Ghost Rider so that he can hunt down and kill his own son Blackheart. BH is trying to kill his father so that he can take over Hell as its new lord. Blackheart will be the one that GR will have to fight...

Perhaps I'm missing something in the context of this discussion, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Didn't Mephisto and Zarathos(aka Ghost Rider) fight back in prehistoric times according to GR v1. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, it was stated in the discription of that fight, that Zarathos's number of followers, thus his power as well, was beginning to rival Mephisto, which is what got Mephistos attention to begin with. Further, to prepare for the fight with Zarathos Mephisto apparently felt he had to resort to that whole scheme he concocted with the souless man(centurious) in order to be at an advantage when fighting Zarathos. Mephisto wouldn't have done that if he thought he could easily defeat Zarathos. Zarathos (mephisto believed) under the right circumstances might potentially be able to defeat him. Thus -not ridiculous for GR and Mephisto to fight- because Zarathos is somewhat on par with Mephisto. Don't get me wrong, my money is on Mephisto, I'm simply saying Zarathos is powerful enough where under right circumstances he could possibly win, and it would at least be a good fight.

[BIGGUN]

Yes, you are right that Zarathos did fight Mephisto....but in his GR form he couldnt since he was less powerful as well as having his memory wiped. only beings that were uber powerful could ever hope to take on Mephisto and for a time Zarathos had that power or at least came close to it. when i said GR never fought Mephisto i was referring to the GR we all know and not his ancient demon god form which in my eyes is a different character.
Huge battles between Mephisto and some other equally powerful being in the comics is one thing...but in a movie i dont think it would be a good idea. i hate the idea of making the devil actually physically fight someone in the movies. satan ....imo...has always been symbolic of pure evil. by making it possible to actually beat evil in that way is just silly to me and makes the character less threatening and frightening. its one thing to outsmart the devil its another if you are able to push him down and kick sand in his face ..heh

[KingOfDreams]

It appeared that, in Silver Surfer #100, that the Surfer owned his ass, and he might've, but he could have played SS for a fool because at the end of the issue Mephisto was back in his realm, looking perfectly okay and staring at the Surfer through a crystal ball and laughing.

[TheVileOne]

So I'm a little confused. Is Wes Bentley playing Mephisto or Black Heart?

And then who will womp some ass as Shuma Gorath?

[BIGGUN]

So I'm a little confused. Is Wes Bentley playing Mephisto or Black Heart?

And then who will womp some ass as Shuma Gorath?

Bentley is playing Blackheart...they havent announced who was playing Mephisto.

[TheVileOne]

But who should play Shuma Gorath? The best character of all time in the Marvel Super Heroes video game by Capcom :) .

[BIGGUN]

But who should play Shuma Gorath? The best character of all time in the Marvel Super Heroes video game by Capcom :) .

Shuma? heh...im all for Shuma to appear in the movie but i really doubt it.
i dont recall him/she/it(?) in a GR comic...a shame too. they needed some of the "old ones" to have made an appearance or 2 in either series.
i made a suggestion a long time ago that satan's/mephisto's true form should have looked like something out of a Lovecraft story. would be a nice change of pace from the old "red dude w/ horns and goat feet".
but who knows...they hired Miles Teves as concept designer whose specialty is devils and demons. should be cool....

[Riding Ghost]

Yes, you are right that Zarathos did fight Mephisto....but in his GR form he couldnt since he was less powerful as well as having his memory wiped. only beings that were uber powerful could ever hope to take on Mephisto and for a time Zarathos had that power or at least came close to it. when i said GR never fought Mephisto i was referring to the GR we all know and not his ancient demon god form which in my eyes is a different character.
Huge battles between Mephisto and some other equally powerful being in the comics is one thing...but in a movie i dont think it would be a good idea. i hate the idea of making the devil actually physically fight someone in the movies. satan ....imo...has always been symbolic of pure evil. by making it possible to actually beat evil in that way is just silly to me and makes the character less threatening and frightening. its one thing to outsmart the devil its another if you are able to push him down and kick sand in his face ..heh


Points well taken. I agree with everything you said.
I would simply add that since Zarathos once was a demon god, the potential remains for him to be again. Zarathos is always looking for a way to regain all of his power........... perhaps one day he will succeed.

[sentinel1]

From what I heard the Rider scenes are going to be Computer generated. Cage will just be doing the Jblaze parts.

[FlameHead]

There's a good possiblity that Cage will be the body of Ghost Rider as well. They could do something like Sleepy Hollow for Ghost Rider.... but instead of there not being a head, have a firey one. This way, Cage gets to have more screen time... but this would only be the case if Nic wants to do all or most of his own stunts.

Love the information on the Mephisto people. A definate major link to my entire comic collection, which is filled with the magic, monster and mayhem side of the Marvel Universe. In fact, I just picked up a 4 issue limited from the late 80's; 'Mephisto Vs' (all the major teams in Marvel). It's some fun reading.

[redlion2]

It appeared that, in Silver Surfer #100, that the Surfer owned his ass, and he might've, but he could have played SS for a fool because at the end of the issue Mephisto was back in his realm, looking perfectly okay and staring at the Surfer through a crystal ball and laughing.

Is that the ish in which Mephisto absorbed SS into his mind and it caused him so much pain because SS is so pure, that he had to release SS? It's been so long since I've read that story, so I'm not too sure. Has anyone else read this story?

[arnimzoloft]

if you read what mark stephen johnson had to say a month or so back, nick cage will be playing ghost rider as well, not just johnny blaze. he said he'd prefer the actor to the cg when possible. i'm sure that will help keep costs down too, cause cgi ain't cheap.

[FlameHead]

No it isn't... which is why a lot of people was worried when the first released the budget to be 40 mill.

[KingOfDreams]

Is that the ish in which Mephisto absorbed SS into his mind and it caused him so much pain because SS is so pure, that he had to release SS? It's been so long since I've read that story, so I'm not too sure. Has anyone else read this story?

That's a possible interpretation, and for some reason I've never really thought about it that way. It appeared as a physical fight but it could have easily been a mental fight based on how much reality was manipulated throughout the issue. The Surfer though he was in Mephisto's Realm, which is Hell I guess. The story starts out with Mephisto apparently cutting the Surfer open and stealing his soul, which looked like a shining silver stone, and the Surfer spends the entire issue trying to get it back, all while Mephisto dredges up demons from his past. But yes, The Surfer's "light" is what wins the day for him.

[FlameHead]

So... filming has started and there has yet to be news on the lead baddie. I wonder why this is. Are they having trouble finding the right guy or getting the right guy to actually do it. Do they know and are just not letting us know yet?

It's pretty much the biggest mystery of the movie right now and I'd sell my soul to know. Nice reference there eh?

[FlameHead]

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/gallery/nexus/images/mephisto.jpg

[BIGGUN]

Well we only heard that Clayton tried out for a part....but it wasnt mentioned if he was casted or not. he may have tried out for the young Blaze character and simply lost out on it...
i dunno about Voight...i would think we would have heard something by now.
but who knows ...maybe they might be able to work something out

[BIGGUN]

As you guys may have just noticed ...Mephisto has been cast...and its Peter Fonda! the original Easy Rider! man o man....that is almost better than Voight...imo. the star of the movie that really started the whole hollywood fascination w/ motorcycles that would later help create the comic book Ghost Rider..
very happy w/ this choice. Fonda can also be creepy and menacing when he needs to be

[Tissues]

awesome choice!

[FlameHead]

Man... this happen to me with the new Comic news. I posted a thread about there not being any and the next day it was released that one was starting in Sept.

I post that Mephisto was not cast and the next day, he is. Crazy how that happens.

I should start a post about me not winning any money... or not being casted in the Ghost Rider movie... or something as equally as good as those two things.

Yay for Fonda (though he is still only in talks right?). This movie is gonna be a bikers dream, no doubt about that. I just hope that Ghost Rider story doesn't get lost in the biker story... though I know both go hand in hand.

I'm so pumped!!

[BIGGUN]

awesome choice!

Yuppers!

also i noticed he was in a film called "Race w/ the Devil"...heh
from the description his character w/ some friends are chased by a Satanic cult..

[Bathrat]

As you guys may have just noticed ...Mephisto has been cast...and its Peter Fonda! the original Easy Rider! man o man....that is almost better than Voight...imo. the star of the movie that really started the whole hollywood fascination w/ motorcycles that would later help create the comic book Ghost Rider..
very happy w/ this choice. Fonda can also be creepy and menacing when he needs to be where did you hear this?

[BIGGUN]

I should start a post about me not winning any money... or not being casted in the Ghost Rider movie... or something as equally as good as those two things.

Yay for Fonda (though he is still only in talks right?). This movie is gonna be a bikers dream, no doubt about that. I just hope that Ghost Rider story doesn't get lost in the biker story... though I know both go hand in hand.

I'm so pumped!!


lol....i might want to try that :D
but yeah this is shaping up real nice. good job on the casting MSJ....

[BIGGUN]

where did you hear this?

front page of SHH :D

[Bathrat]

front page of SHH :D It's not official til i see a thread on here :D

[FlameHead]

LOL. Funny....

[FlameHead]

Man, Fonda is perfect. He even looks the part without makeup... which I'm not sure of how they're gonna do... but, just compare these two pics.

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/images3/peterfonda.jpg http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/11_03/Mephisto.jpg

There's something about the forehead that just makes sense.

[InVictus]

Excuse me, but why in Dan's Ghost Mephisto was not in human form? I know there are 2 or 3 Mephisto "Alter ego", but it appear to me that in GR I Mephisto was like that statue while in the GR II serie he was portrayed as a giant skinny, yet fat in belly, malebolgia like demon with rasta spikes/worms as hair and a beak face (i recall it at least on "Heart of darkness" mini ).
BTW it seems evident by the casting o Peter Fonda they are choosing the classic portray...actually it should be very cool in a dark "easy rider"/racing/western theme...

[Hunter Rider]

Awesome choice IMO,cant wait to see him in prosthetics.Perfect voice also very enigmatic

[Sardaukar]

I'm not convinced they're going for the red robes.


They'll probably try an updated look.

[Sardaukar]

That's my question of the day.

[FlameHead]

... and it's a very confusing one. What do you mean? Are you referring to Mephistopheles?

[FlameHead]

I'm not sure what they're gonna do with the look of the character either. I doubt it will look a whole lot like that bust... but we'll see.

Also I found and article (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/588/588889p1.html) that states that fonda "WILL" play the character. Previous articles were stating that it was just in the works.

[Retroman]

Peter Fonda in Ghost Rider?!!! Who would have ever thought? :eek: Awesome work MSJ! I guess this leaves out Voight then.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sundance/sundance_film_festival_2004_photos/peter_fonda/sundance.jpg

[FlameHead]

Awesome job is right. MSJ is da man.

As for Voight, don't count him out yet. There are still a lot of roles that he could have... a cameo at the very least. Either way, I'm happy that he's a fan and still working on the project in some aspect.

[skorponok]

MSJ is hereby appointed the Chancellor of casting comic book films.

[FlameHead]

Here, Here.

... no, here.

[Dr.Dude]

Great choice for the part. I can easily see Fonda being awesome as Mephisto, and he definitely has the perfect look---- just glance at the pic Retroman posted, and its almost uncanny.

And I think they could do Mephisto's comic look on the screen for the most part. Just give Fonda the reddish skin, blank eyes with no pupil, scarlet costume and cloak, and the long and spikey hair. Blackheart, on the other hand, is gonna be a lot more difficult... ;)

[X-Ray]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/588/588889p1.html (http://http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/588/588889p1.html)

has anyone else heard or read of this ?

[BIGGUN]

Nothing to do with a Ghost Rider vs Captain America movie..

if there ever was one...it would be really really short :D
but yes Fonda's name or nickname in Easy Rider was Capt. America....so yeah i guess you could say its GR vs C. America ...in a way.

[FlameHead]

I'm just wonderin' how extream are they gonna make the characters? I mean, the demons may be as simple as what you'd see in the Weadonverse. The may never evolve into the montster that we know and love as Blackheart.

[FlameHead]

LOL. Short indeed.

Don't worry X-Ray, I did a double take at that headline as well.

[BIGGUN]

Blackheart may look pretty close to his comic version as it could easily translate well to the big screen. Mephisto on the other hand would be a different story.
i dont think it would be a good idea to make him look like the classic style...y'know w/ the red socks? heh. they may just have one scene where you see his true form and it could be pretty monstrous...something different than from what was seen in the comics. i wouldnt mind since the Devil has had all kinds of different forms in all the films/stories that hes appeared in.
im sure both Blackheart and Mephisto will look like humans for a good part of the film and only change when needed for combat/mass destruction (BH) or to get a point across (Mephisto).

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I picture Mephisto changing only slightly at times just to inflict fear. Much like Randal Flagg in 'The Stand'. He changed to his demon form just to scare... and it was just his face that changed. Perhaps we'll see something like that. I'd like to see him in his 90's form personally. I know it's highly unlikely, but to see him rise from the earth in a huge hulking monstrosity, just once, won't be awesome!!

You're probably right about Blackheart though. We'll probably see him in full form just to have something to play against the fiery headed demon hero. I just won't be believable to have a human goin' toe to toe with him... espcailly after seeing how powerful he really is throughout the movie... if they show how powerful he is.

[Caliber]

... and it's a very confusing one. What do you mean? Are you referring to Mephistopheles?

Mephistopheles or Mephisto. Whats the difference because they have both been used for devil like characters.

[FlameHead]

There is no difference at all. Put it this way; it's the same as sayin' Steve or Stephen.

[Caliber]

Wow Fonda could be a great Mephisto.

[FlameHead]

I hope he's a better 'devil' than the guy who played Lucifer in Constantine. I wasn't impressed with that guy at all as I found he overacted too much... but that's for another thread.

[BIGGUN]

I hope he's a better 'devil' than the guy who played Lucifer in Constantine. I wasn't impressed with that guy at all as I found he overacted too much... but that's for another thread.

Fonda is known for his cool, laid back character. this is what i envisioned Mephisto to be.
the actor in Constantine who played Lucifer i thought was pretty sleazy...which was a unique take on the Devil. looked like he wanted to have his way w/ Keanu :eek: he was mighty creepy imo...

[FlameHead]

I agree, it was creepy. I did like how he seemed to be discusted by the skin he was wearing. You know what I mean? It was indeed a unique take and maybe I was being hard on him because I know there is a very important depiction of this character coming up. Who knows?

He was good, not great but he was much greater than Neonu.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

This thread is for everything Peter Fonda ( mephisto) Post all pics , upcoming movie pics , peter fonda pics , mephisto comic pics , everything mephisto/ peter fonda!!

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/11_03/Mephisto.jpg
http://www.chromemasters.com/peter%20fonda.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/171366.jpg

[Age of Mysterio]

Anyone find it strange that "Captain America" is playing Mephisto? Just thought it was funny.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

hahaha he was captain america? I think I remeber.

[Age of Mysterio]

he was a character called Captain America in the movie Easy Rider.

[Caliber]

Any news on what Mephiteles will look like?

[FlameHead]

Not yet.

[Caliber]

So they are going to show hell? Sorry if its a stupid question.

[Jayo]

I'm wonder. Was Mephisto always Ghost Rider's main antagonist? Or, was he just thrown into the movie by screenwriters, as a worthy adversary for GR?

If I remember correctly, it was another villian that gave Johnny Blaze his powers. Who was he?

[Ullic]

Mephisto is a traditional villain of Ghost Rider's. Whether he's the main one, I'm not sure but I believe he is. FlameHead would be the one to answer that with authority. He seems to be the lifelong GR fan around here. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[InVictus]

He's the one who created him....the one who tricked Johnny Blaze, the one who cursed him, so even if often indirectly(even in GRII, somewhat) he has been always the main villain, yes.

[BIGGUN]

Actually it was Satan who gave Blaze his powers..but sometime in the late 70s/early 80s Marvel wanted to drop any outright connections to the Devil so they changed it where it was Mephisto who cursed Blaze.

[FlameHead]

I have a feeling that it will be shown, yes. I say this because we know that there is a young version of Blaze, which tells me that they will be showing the original bonding of Ghost Rider (I guess). The only question reallly is if that happened in Hell or not. Did Mephisto come to the surface or did he drag Blaze down below? Hmmm...

Now that Constantine has come out, however, perhaps we won't see Hell at all. Tiz a good question.

[FlameHead]

Essentially Mephisto are the same character though. I mention that just to not confuse anyone.

Ullic, I'm not the only one with offical GR knowledge. Biggun is the real man when it comes to those questions actually. He's knows all things Blaze and most things Ketch. I know more about Ketch than Blaze and because of that my knowledge on Mephisto is limited as well. Biggun, MarvelMovies and I are definatly the long term Ghost Rider fans w/ lots of related knowledge though.

As for the question, I don't personally see Mephisto as a major villian for Ghost Rider. After the whole creation of the character incident, he never hung around much... though popped up to play his little games now and again.

Ghost Rider's main villian was himself; Zarathos. Blaze and Zarathos battled to be the owner of the body and that fight lasted for a very long time... even after they were separated in the final issue of GR v1. Zarathos returned to wreck havok on the world in the mid issues of GR v2.

[Jayo]

Essentially Mephisto are the same character though. I mention that just to not confuse anyone.

Ullic, I'm not the only one with offical GR knowledge. Biggun is the real man when it comes to those questions actually. He's knows all things Blaze and most things Ketch. I know more about Ketch than Blaze and because of that my knowledge on Mephisto is limited as well. Biggun, MarvelMovies and I are definatly the long term Ghost Rider fans w/ lots of related knowledge though.

As for the question, I don't personally see Mephisto as a major villian for Ghost Rider. After the whole creation of the character incident, he never hung around much... though popped up to play his little games now and again.

Ghost Rider's main villian was himself; Zarathos. Blaze and Zarathos battled to be the owner of the body and that fight lasted for a very long time... even after they were separated in the final issue of GR v1. Zarathos returned to wreck havok on the world in the mid issues of GR v2.


OHH okay!! That's who it was! Zarathos (a.k.a the demon that possessed Johnny Blaze). Why didn't the screenwriter go with that story instead of having Mephisto grant Johnny Blaze his Ghost Rider powers?

[Vartha]

I thought I read somewhere that Mephisto was Zarathos' boss, and Satan was Mephisto's boss...Man that was awhile ago hard to remember.

[FlameHead]

Mephisto and Satan are the same thing. Mephisto is just the Marvel universe's version of the ruler of Hell.

Zarathos and Mephisto have a very long history, which is a little too hard to explain right here. I'll get you some links when the time allows.

OHH okay!! That's who it was! Zarathos (a.k.a the demon that possessed Johnny Blaze). Why didn't the screenwriter go with that story instead of having Mephisto grant Johnny Blaze his Ghost Rider powers?

Well, it was Mephisto who grandted Ghost Rider his powers... per say. He mystically bonded Zarathos to Blaze's soul. Zartathos and Blaze didn't get along very well though... and that's where the story evolved into over the course of 83 issues of Vol 1.

Much happened after that to explain the whole thing though. After Ketch came into the picture, they had to explain a whole lot of story dealing with the bloodline of the whole situation... which is a complicated story, to say the least.

[BIGGUN]

they had to explain a whole lot of story dealing with the bloodline of the whole situation... which is a complicated story, to say the least.

heh....you aint kiddin! :D
if only Jim Shooter had stayed on as editor for the 90s series it would have been a much better book. Shooter was also the one who kept the 70s series on track w/ the "demon taking over Blaze" storyline that started around the 20's up until the end of the book w/ Zarathos being trapped in the soul crystal.

[Ullic]

heh....you aint kiddin! :D
if only Jim Shooter had stayed on as editor for the 90s series it would have been a much better book. Shooter was also the one who kept the 70s series on track w/ the "demon taking over Blaze" storyline that started around the 20's up until the end of the book w/ Zarathos being trapped in the soul crystal.
Um...Ghost Rider wasn't around in the 20s...hell, Marvel wasn't around in the 20s...typo? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[BIGGUN]

Um...Ghost Rider wasn't around in the 20s...hell, Marvel wasn't around in the 20s...typo? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

sorry i should have been clearer....i was talking about the issue numbers of the 70s series. trust me...i know GR wasnt around in the 20s....or was he? :D

[Ullic]

oh issue number 20s... gotcha... I should've figured that... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[ObakeTora]

I thought GR was Zarathos devourer of souls.

[Franklin Richards]

Well...

Satan and Mephisto are not the same AND they are.


Evil in Marvel is kinda like a bad case of schizophrenia. Yes Evil is all one person. My name is Legion for we are many. All that stuff. But Satan and Mephisto are different personalities. They even act autonomous <sp?> of each other.

In the issues leading up to and including Defenders #100 we see Satan lording over Mephisto, Asmodeus, Satanish, and someone else I think. The Defender's establish that they are seperate entities and have their own wants and desires. Asmodeus even gets taken out at the end by Mephisto or Satan. Evil always turns in upon itself.

As for the boss. Satan seemed to be in charge for those issues. Doesn't mean they work together all nice and stuff, but Satan was the most powerful at the time.


So yeah... you're right, but Satan and Mephisto are definately seperate entities. Kinda. :D



:ff: :ff: :ff:

[FlameHead]

heh....you aint kiddin! :D
if only Jim Shooter had stayed on as editor for the 90s series it would have been a much better book. Shooter was also the one who kept the 70s series on track w/ the "demon taking over Blaze" storyline that started around the 20's up until the end of the book w/ Zarathos being trapped in the soul crystal.

That's a hard statement to agree or disagree with for me. As you know, I'm a huge fan of the whole Ketch era and the confusion that was created because of it. I really enjoy the history of Ghost Rider that was created and the family blood line stuff. How they came to develop that story was indeed flawed and confusing but once you come to understand it... it's quite enjoyable.

You are right though, if Shooter was around to edit the storyline, that history I love so much probably would have been developed much better.

[FlameHead]

Source: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/default.htm?rmDate=09022005

TVGuide.com: Will there be any homages to Easy Rider in Ghost Rider [in which Fonda mentors Cage's supernatural vigilante motorcyclist]?
Fonda: Well, the chopper in the film is a lot like the design of my Easy Rider chopper, but not the same paint job. The shape, the rake, the high bars and the sissy bar in the back.... It's not a replica, but it's pretty close. It's called Grace and from that I create the Hell-Cycle.

TVGuide.com: Did you go back and look at the comic to inform how you should play the Mephisto character?
Fonda: I had read a few of them before, but I thought regardless of what the guy who wrote the comics had designed here, it was up to me to put it on the screen. As it was, they let me play totally against part. Let me tell you, nobody has played the Devil quite like I do. Oh, man, I loved it. It was really cool.

TVGuide.com: Do you approach something like Ghost Rider differently than you approached, say, your roles in The Limey or Ulee's Gold?
Fonda: I do the same amount of work, but they are definitely different types of characters. Ulee was a real character with real problems in real time. When I play the Devil in Ghost Rider, they've airbrushed gold into my hair. So whether I'm playing a beekeeper from North Florida, a scumbag record producer from L.A. or the Devil, each one presents a really cool opportunity for me to go to different places. And I've never repeated a character. That's what makes it fun for me.

[Caliber]

I can't wait to see how he acts.

[FlameHead]

You and me both. It's not an easy thing to portray the Devil and I'm really excited to hear that's he's doing it different than anyone ever has. I wonder what exactly that means.

[Crowley9]

Can anyone dig up a picture of his Jabba the Hutt-like sack-of-lard appearance (Mephisto, not Fonda)? I think John Romita Jr. at least did that a lot.

[FlameHead]

I did a search online for a pic such as that but couldn't find one. When I get the chance, I'll take an image from the comics I have here... that is, if nobody finds a pic before then.

[Brian Braddock]

Fonda with make up like they used on Tim Curry in Legend (minus the horns). Now that would look sweet!

[FlameHead]

That would certainly be interesting... though probably a little too campy. I'm really not sure if any of the demon stuff will be created with makeup or prosthetics. It could all be CGI.

[Joker831]

I think its so cool that Fonda got choosen to be the main bad guy in this film. Ironic to since he started the cult classic "Easy Rider"....a motorcycle movie.

Am i the only one who thinks Fonda is going to absoultely kick ass as the "devil"? Just something about him, i think he is going to kick ass.

Oh and if anyone finds a picture of him as Mephisto, or one comes available, post it here. We have already since his co-partner in Bentley who looks ok.....and i think we will see true form for him, so dont sweat it fanboys lol.

Now Let's talk Fonda-Mephisto

[NDX]

I dunno, as hokey as it sounds, I now see Peter Fonda riding up to Blaze in human form on a motorcycle when Blaze sells his soul to save Crash's life.

[Hypestyle]

-- I hope the morphing at the climax is really good and not cheesy.. it would be great if he became like the John Romita Jr. version of Mephisto..

[Brian Braddock]

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/11_03/Mephisto.jpg

It'd just be so cool if they made him up to look like this. That would definately be the dogs back wheels.

[FlameHead]

I'd like to see that form of Meph indeed... but I'd also LOVE to see the big hulking monstrosity that he can become as well. Something so huge and intimidating that even Ghost Rider has to take a step back... before kickin his red ass!

[Robot Komakino]

hmm sounds goood

[NDX]

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/11_03/Mephisto.jpg

Seeing Peter Fonda pull this off would be great. It could be a powerful image in the long run. Although J.R. Jr's Mephisto could work as well, but it could also go real bad real quickly.

[FlameHead]

This has nothing to do with Ghost Rider but I wanted to post it anyway.

Source: http://dailynews.com/santaclarita/ci_3212371

Ride raises record amount
Charity event driven by love
By Alex Dobuzinskis, Staff Writer

More than 22,000 motorcycle buffs hopped on hogs Sunday for a record-breaking charity ride - rumbling from Glendale to Castaic Lake, where B.B. King and his guitar Lucille took the crowd all the way to Mississippi.

The 22nd annual Love Ride raised nearly $1.5 million, the most ever for the event. The money will go to Hurricane Katrina relief, a literacy program for children, groups that help victims of muscular dystrophy, autism, Down syndrome and others.

"The Love Ride is very much what it is. You love to ride your bike and you love to give back to your community," said Assemblywoman Cindy Montaez, D-Mission Hills. A regular ride participant, "Tonight Show" host Jay Leno joined other celebrities, including Peter Fonda, on the 36-mile trip. When they got to Castaic Lake, King thrilled the crowd, which grooved as the celebrated blues icon played with the lake in the background and a seven-man band backing him up.

Leno joked with the crowd on a stage in Glendale before getting on his bike and kicking off the trip to Castaic.

"I don't normally ride with 75,000 other people ... that part is a little unusual," Leno said backstage in Glendale, exaggerating the number of riders.

"But it's OK; the women are attractive, the men are handsome," Leno said.

As he lined up along San Fernando Road in Glendale with thousands of other riders, Rod Kendricks of Newhall said he has been riding motorbikes since he was 11, when he put a lawn mower engine on a Schwinn Sting-Ray bike.

Now the 50-year-old telephone splicer rides a custom-built Harley-Davidson with a replica 1962 frame.

"Just being in the air, being in the wind is almost like flying," he said.

The event was organized by Harley-Davidson of Glendale. The total amount raised in this year's charity event surpassed the previous record by more than $200,000.

King, who recently turned 80 years old, sat down as soon as he got in front of the microphone and mused about what the crowd might think of that.

"Now I'm a diabetic; got bad knees, bad back, head ain't much good either, can't remember anything," King said. "But I'm feeling good today."

King played the Mississippi-brand of blues he is famous for, going through a set that included "The Thrill is Gone" and "All Over Again," and plenty of talking and joking with the crowd.

"It's just a wonderful event. The weather, the setting, the crowd," said Larry Porche, 50, who rode up on a 1992 Harley-Davidson FXE.

Alex Dobuzinskis, (818) 546-3304

alex.dobuzinskis@dailynews.com

I wonder did Fonda do any promoting of Ghost Rider to those 75,000 other biker fans? I hope he did.

[gregtestagent]

Well, what about him? will he or it be in the movie at all? What should he/it look like? post some of, what you think might be, the best Mephisto pics.
here's one for starters
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1310/mephisto3ni.jpg

[craigaat]

Did a quick google search
http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/mephisto.jpg

[FlameHead]

Mephisto already has his own thread: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170033

[FlameHead]

Just wanted to bump this before another one is made... and to let the new ones to the section have a looky see.

[FlameHead]

Again with the bumps FlameHead? Sheesh.

[FlameHead]

So, this is the only real shot of Meph we have so far...

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/gallery/albums/album44/67_G.jpg

[xwolverine2]

sorry im not a GR fan but what are mephistos powers... or better yet wtf is he?lol

[FlameHead]

He's easiest described as the devil of the Marvel universe. His powers are almost limitless.

[xwolverine2]

He's easiest described as the devil of the Marvel universe. His powers are almost limitless.
oh...

is he good in the movie?

[FlameHead]

oh...

is he good in the movie?

Is Peter Fonda a good actor in the movie? I have no idea but, I'd bet on yes.

Is Mephisto a good guy in the movie, no. No he's not. He's the devil afterall. He's the reason Blaze has this demon bonded to him by way of trickery. He collects souls. No, he's not good.

Having said that, of Meph and Blackheart, he's the more good of the two but only because Blackheart is trying to take his 'throne', if you will.

[Spare-Flair]

He won't look too demonic except for maybe a few scenes. They already would want to tone down the demonic hellish parts of the film for mainstream audience. Most of the time, he'll probably be a well dressed character like Satan's depiction in End of Days.

Personally, part of me wants this haha:
http://angam.ang.univie.ac.at/roads02/Indien/easy.jpg

[xwolverine2]

Is Peter Fonda a good actor in the movie? I have no idea but, I'd bet on yes.

Is Mephisto a good guy in the movie, no. No he's not. He's the devil afterall. He's the reason Blaze has this demon bonded to him by way of trickery. He collects souls. No, he's not good.

Having said that, of Meph and Blackheart, he's the more good of the two but only because Blackheart is trying to take his 'throne', if you will.
so hes good then

and i take it it would be stupid for GR to fight him?

[FlameHead]

He is in no way good. He is the opposite of good in every way possible.

Nope, it wouldn't be stupid for GR to fight him. Has many times though, he probably could never win. Beat him in a battle but never win the war, type thing.

[Crowley9]

He won't look too demonic except for maybe a few scenes. They already would want to tone down the demonic hellish parts of the film for mainstream audience. Most of the time, he'll probably be a well dressed character like Satan's depiction in End of Days.
The Devil in Brimstone comes more readily to my mind.

[FlameHead]

He won't look too demonic except for maybe a few scenes. They already would want to tone down the demonic hellish parts of the film for mainstream audience. Most of the time, he'll probably be a well dressed character like Satan's depiction in End of Days.


They're not goin' to tone down anything I say. It'll have the perfect amount of supernatural elements to mix with the human story in it all. I see really good things with this movie. I trust the people behind it fully and I truly believe we all have absolutly nothing to worry about. Ghost Rider will be Ghost Rider, demon, hell and all.

Having said that, you're probably right, Meph will be human most of the time. In fact, I don't see him being in it all that much. There's a lot of story to attend to afterall.

Of course, I still really badly want to see him come from the earth in all his huge montserous glory. Hellboy baddie sized, ya know? I highly doubt it'll be there but, one can dream.

[Brian Braddock]

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/11_03/Mephisto.jpg

It'd just be so cool if they made him up to look like this. That would definately be the dogs back wheels.


Always thought the prosthetics in 'Legend' to make Tim Curry into Darkness was cool - and that was 1985! Considering the advances they've made (just look at Pearlman in Hellboy) they could totally have made Fonda into an amazing Mephisto just like in the image above. Shame it doesnt look likely that we'll see it.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/legend1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/Darkness.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/2003_hellboy_001.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/hellboy.jpg

[InVictus]

Well that's a good coincindence, since Miles Teves was behind the prosthetics of Legend, and he's working on GR :D
I strongly suspect the hellcycle is his a work of him, same style, but maybe he did/designed also the looks of the baddies...

[xwolverine2]

2007:(

[Mr Nick]

Well that's a good coincindence, since Miles Teves was behind the prosthetics of Legend, and he's working on GR :D
I strongly suspect the hellcycle is his a work of him, same style, but maybe he did/designed also the looks of the baddies...

Ooooooo, good spot. Legend had fabulous design work and prosthetics.

:up:

[InVictus]

Another curious coincidence is the cover and look of Mephisto in Ghost Rider (v2) issue 19, that seems an "homage" to the Legend daemon, same horns, same ears, same jaw...
I wonder if after all MSJ called Teves because of that...

[Crowley9]

I've been meaning to post something like this for a while. Another look Mephisto has had in the comics. I always liked this one more. Feels more... alien.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1244/daredevil270072ps.jpg

[InVictus]

you mean this one(whati some second for it to transform):
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/Ennemis/Mephisto.gif
Yeah, i like it more too, it's just more characteristic...

[FlameHead]

That's the transformation I want too. A big hulking beast rising up from the ground in his oh so intimidating way. We probably shouldn't get our hopes up for it though...

[wolfsfang]

That's the transformation I want too. A big hulking beast rising up from the ground in his oh so intimidating way. We probably shouldn't get our hopes up for it though...

Just as long as they do a better job than they did on Malebolgia fom the Spawn movie

[xwolverine2]

you mean this one(whati some second for it to transform):
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/Ennemis/Mephisto.gif
Yeah, i like it more too, it's just more characteristic...
:eek: i hope something like that is in the movie....

and hopefully the fx are perfect:up:

[wolfsfang]

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/Ennemis/Mephisto.gif


I think they should just use this in the finished movie!

I don't mean a realistic cgi version of this look...I mean this actual GIF when and if he turns into his more demonic form.

That would really mess with the minds of the viewing public and would no doubt win an award for best CGI

[Mr Nick]

It'd definitely get a reaction.

;)

[xwolverine2]

That would really mess with the minds of the viewing public and would no doubt win an award for best CGI
ROTFL!!.. not with those graphics!:D :p :p

[InVictus]

Just as long as they do a better job than they did on Malebolgia fom the Spawn movie

malebolgia was a totally ripoff of this version of Mephisto... more blobbed and fat. Damn i hate so much mc Farlane, he robbed so much from GR...

[wolfsfang]

malebolgia was a totally ripoff of this version of Mephisto... more blobbed and fat. Damn i hate so much mc Farlane, he robbed so much from GR...

I just thought that he was another variation of the Devil as some people see Mephisto, the idea of the ultimate super bad guy with limitless power and no morals who controls and corrupts, taking the souls of the innocent for hos own personal gain.

While McFarlane might be a **** I confess that Spawn is one of my top 3 fave characters and that is due to the characters of Malebolgia and the Violator. (I can't help it I'm a sucker for demons)

[xwolverine2]

i hate spawn...

the movie was ok though...back then

[wolfsfang]

Each to their own I suppose. To me it makes hell sound much more interesting then heaven (I'm atheist so I don't believe but am interested). In heaven you might get to sit on a cloud and pluck at a harp, but according to Spawn if you go to hell you get loads of power with a suit, chains and cool red cape.

But this is the GR thread so enough about Spawn and back to the Rider

[xwolverine2]

Each to their own I suppose. To me it makes hell sound much more interesting then heaven (I'm atheist so I don't believe but am interested). In heaven you might get to sit on a cloud and pluck at a harp, but according to Spawn if you go to hell you get loads of power with a suit, chains and cool red cape.

But this is the GR thread so enough about Spawn and back to the Rider
ROTFL!!!..... but in GR (the new comic the came out) those angels were ****ing dangerous....

remember that creepy angelic lady that looked like a dike and was killing lots of people.

[wolfsfang]

Sorry never saw those GR comics with the creepy angelic dike lady

[xwolverine2]

Sorry never saw those GR comics with the creepy angelic dike lady
:eek: ..... thats the only GR comic ive ever read and it was:eek: ..the drawings were to die for!!!

[Mr Nick]

Absolutely. Even if you don't like the writing, Wolfsgang, the series is well worth getting just for Clayton Crain's beautiful artwork.

I'd recommend the Ghost Rider: Resurrected graphic novel above all though. It's a collection of the first issues of the 90's run and they're what got me into GR.

[wolfsfang]

Well if I find it (where I live is not well know for comics stores) I will give it a go.

[BURNFOREVER]

malebolgia was a totally ripoff of this version of Mephisto... more blobbed and fat. Damn i hate so much mc Farlane, he robbed so much from GR...

Amen, my brother.
:down :mad:

[wolfsfang]

I don't care who is a rip off of who. I like characters because I just like them...and I like Malebolgia (especially his name)

[FlameHead]

Sorry never saw those GR comics with the creepy angelic dike lady

Quote of the day.

[screenamesuck]

I posted this in another thread, but thought it fit here better. Kinda creepy huh....

http://i5.tinypic.com/13zbioh.jpg

[batfan1028]

http://latinoreview.com/news.php?id=643

[BIGGUN]

Thanks for posting the link Batfan...i saw the pic today but missed that interview...excellent read w/ some really good info.
cool idea on why Mephisto needs a cane to walk...nice touch:up:

[Mr Nick]

Ta, Batfan. That was a fascinating read.

I can't wait to see Fonda's performance. Underplaying Mephisto sounds like a very nice approach. Makes sense to me. Why would you need to scream and shout if you had all that power?

And as for the man himself, he sounds like a pretty good-humoured and friendly guy. I wonder who was going to play Mephisto before he was asked.

:)

[gvcool2]

I have no doubt that enough people are gona say this should be in the mephistopheles/peter fonda thread and the admin can close the thread once I get an answer.

comics2film or should i say latinoreview posted whats apparntly the first look at mephistopheles but It's him in human form not the demon form, which im pretty sure we've already seen right? i swear i saw it in one of the trailers?

heres the link http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=20300 (http://http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=20300)

Hopefuly someone can tell me that im right and just not using my overactive imagination to create mephistopheles in my mind.:confused:

[BIGGUN]

I have no doubt that enough people are gona say this should be in the mephistopheles/peter fonda thread and the admin can close the thread once I get an answer.

comics2film or should i say latinoreview posted whats apparntly the first look at mephistopheles but It's him in human form not the demon form, which im pretty sure we've already seen right? i swear i saw it in one of the trailers?

heres the link http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=20300 (http://http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=20300)

Hopefuly someone can tell me that im right and just not using my overactive imagination to create mephistopheles in my mind.:confused:


new picture...but yeah weve already seen Fonda as Mephisto as a human. MSJ did say that we will get hints of Mephisto's true shape...which im betting we might get to see him go to his full demon form at the end of the movie. im guessing when Blaze pisses him off Mephisto loses a bit of control and shows his true nature.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=643

Set Interview: Fonda On Ghost Rider!

Date: June 12, 2006

By: Kellvin Chavez
Source: Latino Review



Best known for his role in “Easy Rider,” Peter Fonda brings his career full-circle by playing Mephistopheles (aka the Devil) in the upcoming comic movie “Ghost Rider.” It’s in his blood. In the film a young stunt cyclist Johnny Blaze (Nicolas Cage.) sells his soul to Peter Fonda's character Mephistopheles in order to save his dying father.

With Henry Fonda as a father, Jane Fonda as a sister, and Bridget Fonda as a daughter, Peter has appeared in over 60 films and counting. In 1997, after his turn as the head of a dysfunctional family in “Ulee’s Gold,” he was finally given his due with an Oscar nomination. Last year while on the set of “Ghost Rider,” the veteran actor talked with Latino Review in his trailer (how cool is that?) about his character, how familiar he is with the comic book genre, the violence in the film and more!

And as a bonus we have your exclusive first look at Peter Fonda as Mephistopheles in Ghost Rider! So click on the image for a larger view.

What do you bring to the character Mephistopheles?


Peter Fonda: How much time do you got? I’m the devil, I’m Mephistopheles, but today I’m going to find out that I’m not really Satan. I’m not quite sure what that means; I’m working on that.

What do you bring to the role?


Peter Fonda: 6 foot 2 inches and 65 years I want to be back in Port Douglas. This sucks, except for which there’s a movie being made, which I love. My take is totally different than yours. I am approaching this character a much different—egads man, it’s what I get paid to do and I never really think about it.

Do you play the devil broad?


Peter Fonda: Not at all. I play it very calm, very quiet.

Like Pacino in the Devil’s Advocate?


Peter Fonda: It’s something that’s gotta keep Al down. He’s getting too much over the top. No, I decided to go the opposite direction of it. I like the idea of going off what’s thought of the character. And in fact, this is what I’m about to do now, this is the end of the movie for my part, this is the most vocal that I’ll get—the loudest, the most angry. In fact, I’m not angry at all till this moment. As I said to the director, this is my—I guess, this would be early Pacino from the Godfather, when the only time when Michael Corelone shows any real anger is when he slams the table with his fist—with his flat hand and tells her “don’t you ever ask me about my family.” And this is my Michael Corelone moment. Or Bob Paige, long weird fingers, and strange ears. Mark and I decided to go a different direction with it. And that’s how we are dealing with it. It’s more fun to tell you the truth.

How eager were you to get into a project with CGI?


Peter Fonda: Any project with CGI at all—that’s not a bothersome thing to me. It’s difficult work, but I’m not going to be involved with the CGI stuff as Nick is and the other characters. This all happened in a matter of a day and a half, as I was driving from my ranch to Los Angeles on February 11 and by February 15th, I was on a plane coming here. So I had a chance to give a quick read of a few pages of the script and decide, yes I’ll do it. At the entreaty of Nick and Gary Foster, the producer, they both thought this was very interesting. Someone else was supposed to have played the role and the idea of my doing it came up and I like the idea. I like Nick, I like Australia, and I like Ghost Rider. I like the comic, why not? Play the devil…better than a beekeeper in North Florida.

Did you read the comic?


Peter Fonda: Oh yeah. Many phone calls while driving from my ranch to Los Angeles, with the Bluetooth here. The cell on the seat next to me. No man that’s not enough money. No man, I can’t leave until the 17th, I have stuff to do in LA. No no no, ok.

How many scenes do you have with Nick?


Peter Fonda: In fact, most of my scenes are with Nicholas. It’s not necessarily with Nicholas, but with the young Johnny. Then, we’ve already shot my first scene with the older Johnny, and this is my last scene with the older Johnny. In major motion pictures, we don’t necessarily shoot in the order that makes sense to anybody else, but it makes sense to production. It’s easies and what we have to shoot.

Did you come up with stuff with Mark (Steven Johnson) for your character?


Peter Fonda: No I started working on the script on the airplane coming over, as is my want, I go in a different direction when other people have indicated in sense or in the page. Vocalization, and anger and all motion, I just cut that **** right out. It looks good on page, but it’s for reading on page. For performance, I like to go a different way if I can. If I have to play someone who is a screaming Mimi, then I go for it. But for this character I don’t have to. So I said to Mark, “the king thing,” the king thing is that the king never has to say he’s king. Everyone else does that for him. The king can be very calm. He doesn’t have to command attention. People give him attention. And my take was that I don’t make any threats, I don’t make any—it’s just very calm statements. Just facts. And when I make the deal with Johnny, it’s very easy. I do this all the time. I take good care of my souls.

Where the shooting sequences difficult?


Peter Fonda: None of them have been difficult, but that’s the nature of my work. I try to make them no matter how convoluted the camera might be and right now these sequences are very difficult and very small and painstaking movements have to happen cause there’s all this stuff. Like changing out of Ghost Rider and changing back. You can either be very bored or very upset with it all or you can just go along with it all. So I choose the latter; it’s very fun for me. And it’s—I like to do what I do and I continue to get employed which is terrific. It’s my 78th piece of film and Nick’s a friend, that’s how I got suggested. The suggestion was a really good idea and that’s how the calls started happening. And I’m a lucky guy, I get to play the devil, but not like Jack did in the Witches of Eastwick. But that’s the key; you find different things that make you interested, that get that taste in your mouth. And yes, I didn’t want to play it it like Pacino or—it’s not that people of course who play it now. Who play it evil, things happen around me, but I don’t do anything. Lights dim as I walk though, stuff like that. But I don’t pay attention to it, I talk very calmly, I don’t yell and I don’t shout. I keep it very calm. And perhaps, in my opinion, it’s a little bit scarier, the character is spookier cause it’s not what you expect, what you could think the devil might be. Or Mephistopilies.

Doing another biker movie?


Peter Fonda: Well, I don’t think of this as a biker picture. And I don’t get to ride a bike. Except when I got here, I bought a bike. The contact was put together so quickly; they forgot to put in the contract that I can’t ride a motorcycle. Nick can’t ride, on film he has to ride a little bit. but he can’t ride. So I went out and bought a MV Augusta 4-1000, which is all about racing, it’s a extraordinarily fast bike. Not like 65-year old man should be riding around on it and I drove it around here. I just gave it away to auction for the world children’s neo-natal wing here at the World Children’s hospital, an auction called Celebration for Life, last Thursday. So I had a free ride, cause it was bought from me for what I paid for it, by the fella who ran that charity, who was on the plane coming over who I heard me say to these gals what I was going to do. Well, I got a lot a time off, I’ll buy a motorcycle and ride it around the tank and sell it for more than I bought it for. And it’s funny about the Easy Rider thing cause there’s some pages floating around here, here’s how we make the sequel to Easy Rider. Why I do feel like somebody is suckling on my ideas? Since the first movie has been made, it’s kind of like everybody wants to take a piece of that pie, instead of being original and making their own shot.

Never asked to ride a motorcycle in the movie?


Peter Fonda: In the movie, no. Outside the movie, I just simply did it cause it wasn’t in the contract. Normally, it’s in the contract, we don’t want Fonda on a bike. The production side of it, what would happen to me if got messed up by a big bus? Yeah, for the insurance side, forget it sorry about that.

How familiar were you with the comic book genre?


Peter Fonda: Oh yeah. I’m very familiar with the comic book genre. I grew up with most of it before you guys were even born. The first comic I figured that was done for me was Mad Magazine and although I made the cover of Time magazine 3 times, Life magazine 1 time and god knows how many other things. It was when I made the cover of Mad Magazine I knew I hit what I called the pinnacle, I was so cool. I made the cover of Mad, and you didn’t. Nick’s never been on Mad. Jane’s never been on Mad. Dad’s never been on Mad. Bridget’s never been on Mad. So they’re all playing catch-up as far as I’m concerted.

Taken out the hell cycle?


Peter Fonda: Not at all. Don’t want to mess around with props. My MV Augusta which is no walk in the park. It aint a cool fancy bike, it’s a superbike. It’s 1000 CCs, 166 Horsepower, 186 closed track top speed.

Do you have a signature line or signature movement?


Peter Fonda: I do a little vocal thing. Just a little bit of that. Not like Billy Bob Thornton in Sling Blade, but just a little gravely thing that I do. My signature thing that I do is that I’m way underplaying where one would normally go. You think you’re gonna play the devil, you’re gonna play it hot. I take it on the other direction and it makes it more interesting for me and I think it will be more interesting for the people watching it, cause it won’t be this fearsome fire-spitting person. I let other people do that.



Did you stay in character?


Peter Fonda: I like to hang out with the entire crew cause we’re all in it together. And I’m a trained stage actor and that’s the sex of what actors do. We have instant intercourse with the audience, but not in a motion picture. It’s a whole other thing. And so you want to feel part of the team cause it gives you freedom in front of the camera to do the wilder things—wilder is an oxymoron to what I just said, but wilder in my mind, what other people might think—and feeling familiar with those people behind the camera, I find it easier to do my dance in front of the camera. As a trained stage actors, there’s only one proscenium arch. You can light one side of the stage or the other to direct the audience’s mind or visualize. In film, it’s a very a far out thing; marrying this very explicable camera, lenses, filters, lights, sound, and all that to a very explicable thing – acting. How doest happen? I’m very fascinated by that and the way that happens, for me, it by being a part of the company, that way when it comes time for me to do my dance no matter how odd and different it might be, I’m totally comfortable with it cause I’m totally comfortable with the people I’m working with. I don’t feel its them and me. When I’m producing, directing or any of those things, when I’m controlling the production, I make sure there’s no division between camera, sound, actors, techs- we’re all together. There’s some people who say, “don’t talk to my actors and they like to keep separation of power.” I think it makes them think they are more powerful. When I’m directing, I am more powerful. So I don’t have to do anything, once again it’s the king thing. You’re the director. “I’m the director! “ Otto Preminger had to yell that. I like to be a part; I don’t like to feel separate from the organization. The drivers are just as important—the PAs. The whole scheme is putting something back into what the camera takes away, which is one-dimension. We’re a three-dimensional world, at least it appears so. We might all be laced on some drug that the gods have given us that we don’t know about, but in the meantime, it looks three-dimensional to me. I close one eye and it looks very two-dimensional, you know, depth of field and all that; three dimensions go away. So we try to put something else back into the camera, that’s our trick. All of our energy is ours; all the truck drivers, the people who pick me up in the morning, the make up people, caterers, craft service; all the little people are as big as can be. We’re all on the same level. I get paid more, but I don’t think of it that way. They may think of it that way, but by the end of the shoot, they don’t. They know that I’m just one of them.

What is some of the mayhem you get to cause?


Peter Fonda: Well I cause death, destruction, I cause loss and pain and I cause doubt and fear. And mayhem is the wrong word actually. Others cause the mayhem I just kind of facilitate it.

Describe the violence in the film?


Peter Fonda: Things blow up; Nick turns into a flaming skeleton and wreaks havoc over all kinds of actors. This is all happening but its not happening. Although the essence is that I have something to do with it. And its true but I don’t have to say anything about that, but I don’t have to bring that up. That’s a character quirk for me. I play against it. And I enjoy doing it, and I get paid to do it. And I’d do it for free, but I’d never tell them that. Especially if I get the contract that I can’t ride.

What’s your costume like?


Peter Fonda: I have about five different costumes for each time I appear; I have a little different thing. Some of them are very typical with a high collar. Some of them are not; some of them are cape like but they’re not—our costumer, she’s very cool. They’re not what you expect.

How big is the role?


Peter Fonda: This will be dependent on the editors and the director after I’m all through with it. But let me put it this way, I appear in enough scenes to keep my presence felt throughout the film even when I’m not on film.

Any Makeup process?


Peter Fonda: Of course, this is not my color hair. I don’t think this is anybody’s color hair; so they spray **** in it, they changed the color earlier and put gold things in it. Normally, I don’t wear makeup in films, but this character needs a little bit of makeup. So they put a little bit of red around my eyes and Mark’s decided to go along with the legend of Satan that he’s was the favorite—the most beautiful of all the angels until he decided that he wanted to takeover the kingdom of heaven and god flung him to earth, so hard that he went to hell and broke his back. And that’s that. One of the mythologies, so I have a cane when I walk with a slight limp.

What's the tone of the project?


Peter Fonda: This just might be a bit darker, just from the comic book. But the way that—I deal with Nick in two levels. I deal with him as a young man when I make the deal with him and then I deal with him as Johnny now. In the now situation and nick has to be a man who has gone through a bit of life before we pick him up with his initial deal with the devil. The Faustian thing. As far as being older or not, I don’t think that’s really relevant to the story. I’m not sure if I see that relevant to the story. In the comic book, I saw Ghost Rider as an older fellow rather than Daredevil as a younger person but if this lives up to its artwork, I think this has the chance to be the best comic book to movie move of all this stuff. It doesn’t have the over-the-top characterization like Dick Tracy and it doesn’t bring in the Batman characterizations. It deals with regular people who get caught into—sucked into a different world. And although this is not a—I like the idea, I didn’t expect this was going to be it. But I like the idea of this particular comic. I like the battle of good and evil as taken on by Johnny Blaze after he makes his deal. And that’s a plus and that’s a good thing.

GHOST RIDER RIDES INTO THEATERS ON February 16, 2007

[screenamesuck]

nice read, but batfan1028 already posted this didn't he....

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170033&page=3

[Advanced Dark]

^ If it's in there I didn't see it. Oh well.

[screenamesuck]

oh well, doesn't matter to me lol

[gvcool2]

Admin you can close this thread now btw.

Thanks

[The Geek Vault]

Can someone post the pic I can't see it?

[webhead731]

I can't either. Please?

[Hellcycle2000]

You can see Peter Fonda as Mephisto here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_(comics)

[Abe]

no you can't.
well, i can't....

[gvcool2]

you won't see it unless you believe

[FlameHead]

WiscoD was askin' for some love for Fonda. He's right. We talk about him far to little. Mephisto too.

Why is that I wonder?

Anybody have any guesses on what his demon form will look like... if there is a demon form, that is.

[BIGGUN]

imo...he should be huge. i cant imagine Satan just to be the average height of a normal man. will he look like somthing similar to the classic version of the devil w/ horns, red skin, and hooves? and there will have to be a demon form...there just has to be. it would be a major let down for the audience if Satan only looks like a typical human throughout the whole movie. just a final change at the end when Blaze ticks him off...to show everyone just exactly what Blaze was dealing with.

[xwolverine2]

i dont want peter to look TOO different.

a mix of the comic version and dark pheonix from x3

[WiscoD]

Im sure this was mentioned before but the best "Satan" ever on film was Darkness from the movie Legend. Tim Curry was FREAKIN AWSOME in that. As Villans go , to me the best ones are intellegent, charizmatic, and horrifically appealling. From what ive seen at the con, Mr Fonda is covering all those bases perfectly..D

[FlameHead]

Man, I'm so freakin' jealous of you for being able to see that footage. It's killin' me. :ghost: :)

imo...he should be huge. i cant imagine Satan just to be the average height of a normal man. will he look like somthing similar to the classic version of the devil w/ horns, red skin, and hooves? and there will have to be a demon form...there just has to be. it would be a major let down for the audience if Satan only looks like a typical human throughout the whole movie. just a final change at the end when Blaze ticks him off...to show everyone just exactly what Blaze was dealing with.

I'm with you on the necessity of having Meph in demon form. MSJ mentioned over the weekend the need to keep it human, however. He also mentioned that he didn't want to go big, which makes me think we won't see anything too outragous for ol' Mephy.

I'm still hoping for the huge monsterous beast crashing up from the earth, towering over Ghost Rider or Young Blaze as he accepts the deal, or something but, I'll have to wait for the cartoon for that I'd say.

[BIGGUN]

yeah that true FH :( i can understand making Meph more realistic for most of the movie but i still feel you need to go "big" w/ Satan's final reveal. something that will just give kids nightmares for years...or scare them right into church..heh


WiscoD...yup Darkness was great!
that was probably Curry's best role i think..

[FlameHead]

I dunno. IT was a pretty awesome role too.

Oh, I'm with you all the way with goin' big for Satans reveal. No arguments here. Like you said, you gotta show what Blaze and Ghost Rider are dealing with here. He's not only a master gamer, he's a deadly beast as well.

[BIGGUN]

ahhh...yeah ...IT was a good one too.

[WiscoD]

ahhh...yeah ...IT was a good one too. Damn, i totaly forgot about IT. THAT was awsome.D

[FlameHead]

Huge King fan here too. There was (and pretty much still is) a period of my life that I read nothing but the man's work. He's what got me into reading actually, novels I mean. Comics were a given but books were harder to get into for me. Plus, this man has more movies and/or Tv shows created from his work than any other person in history. Some of them are near perfect translations of his work showing how vivid his imagination is. He's brilliant.

Wow. That was a rant now wasn't it?

[WiscoD]

Huge King fan here too. There was (and pretty much still is) a period of my life that I read nothing but the man's work. He's what got me into reading actually, novels I mean. Comics were a given but books were harder to get into for me. Plus, this man has more movies and/or Tv shows created from his work than any other person in history. Some of them are near perfect translations of his work showing how vivid his imagination is. He's brilliant.

Wow. That was a rant now wasn't it? Yeah, i dig King too. Been reading him for years...well, only one book of his... The Stand... still on page 37,021,400 or something like that...This book ends right???

[FlameHead]

LoL. That depends. Do you have the extended version?

[WiscoD]

LoL. That depends. Do you have the extended version? Dunno, its yellow and black and says Cliff on the front..

[FlameHead]

As in, don't step over, or a guy named?

I love The Stand actually. I think it's the ultimate battle of good and evil. Randal Flagg and Mephisto are one in the same, when you think about it. They're all versions of the same beast, the same manifestation of that evil force found in our universe.

[Brian Braddock]

As in, don't step over, or a guy named?

I love The Stand actually. I think it's the ultimate battle of good and evil. Randal Flagg and Mephisto are one in the same, when you think about it. They're all versions of the same beast, the same manifestation of that evil force found in our universe.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/flagg1.jpg


:up: :up: :up:


It would be a shame if nothing was done to Fonda's appearance to make him look like Mephisto in the comics. As I've stated before with pictures - I'd love them to go completely nuts and take the make -up approach used on The Darkness or, at least, compromise and give us something like Flagg (above).

[FlameHead]

Now tha'ts what I'm talkin' about. Flagg was awesome!

Though I'd like to see the huge monsterous hulking beast, I'd settle for the classic version of Meph as well. We'll likely get something that fits more w/ the gothic western motif that they're going for though...

[Brian Braddock]

Imagine if they just have Peter Fonda without any makeup/enhancements whatsoever - kinda like Pacino in 'Devil's Advocate'.

I don't know about anyone else but, as someone who wants to see Mephisto in all his glory, I'd feel a little shortchanged and consider it a helluva waste of an oppurtunity.

[bbf2]

I want Mephisto to use those green and pink flying pigs to attack, like Blackheart does in Marvel vs. Capcom.

[FlameHead]

Imagine if they just have Peter Fonda without any makeup/enhancements whatsoever - kinda like Pacino in 'Devil's Advocate'.

I don't know about anyone else but, as someone who wants to see Mephisto in all his glory, I'd feel a little shortchanged and consider it a helluva waste of an oppurtunity.

I think it all depends on how big a role Meph plays in this movie. Afterall, there's a lot of story to tell with a lot of characters and perhaps have only hints of his glory is enough... if they show BlackHeart in ALL of his glory.

[tarnished_knigh]

My money goes on them Keeping him pretty much Human form, untill he needs to show the awsome physical power, that his earth form can dish out. That is the classic Satan formula for movies. The idea that the guy from the office, or Bob from down the street, could be Satan, and you would never know it untill it was to late.

[FlameHead]

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout TK!

I'd like to see some footage of him as him in the meantime, speakin' of Meph. We really haven't seen much of the bugger.

[The Geek Vault]

Do you guys think he'll be red?

[FlameHead]

Hmm, great question. Personally, as much as I'd like to see the classic version, I highly doubt we'll see him in red... if we see him in full form at all.

[GoblinScrier]

It would be too cool to see the classic Mephisto and Blackheart if only for a few minutes in the film...that would be amazing!!!

[FlameHead]

We likely wont see the classic version (totally) but I'm sure what we see will be pretty sweet none the less...

Here's a little taste of Meph, from the new trailer of course.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9396/gr4322ee7.jpg

[Mr.Census]

Ok i don't like how black heart is human, what happened to his look in the comics with all the black tenticles?

And second why is Mephisto called Mephistopheles from the tragic history of dr. faustus. Thats stupid and the actor who is playing Mephisto looks nothing like the comic version. :cmad:

[zer00]

....wow

[webhead731]

OMGROTFLOL!!!!

Man, go look around please.

Blackheart has a human form as well as some others. MSJ said the last one will look simular to the comics.

I believe it's the same for Mephisto.

[BIGGUN]

Ok i don't like how black heart is human, what happened to his look in the comics with all the black tenticles?

And second why is Mephisto called Mephistopheles from the tragic history of dr. faustus. Thats stupid and the actor who is playing Mephisto looks nothing like the comic version. :cmad:


guess youve only read the later issues w/ BH in his demon form. when BH ist appeared in a issue of Daredevil he did take on human shape.

and as far as the rest goes, as webhead said "go read the other posts". im sleepy:o

[Mr.Census]

no classic verion of mephisto, count me out of this movie.:o

[HCpride]

he was called both in the comics

[webhead731]

Wow...

You would not see this movie if they didn't use the classic version?

[xwolverine2]

no classic verion of mephisto, count me out of this movie.:o

http://www.*******.com/files/2006/6/19/77611/wrench2.gif

[InVictus]

Erm, if you search around this forum, you can actually read MSJ statement that BH true form will resemble very much the comic appearance, with red eyes(visible also in one scene of the last trailer) and spicky hairs:)
Probably it will have also a mouth with fangs, at least this is what i suspect, but i think you can expect a fairly close BH... About mephisto, in the comics he has too a beast(the beaked one) and more human form, apart from numerous forms to operate out of hell.

[InVictus]

no classic verion of mephisto, count me out of this movie.:o

Didn't strike you the amazing resemblance on Fonda's hair with the classic Mephisto? No? Well, that i think is a hint of things to come....

[FlameHead]

If you feed it, it will grow.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227456

[NDX]

If you feed it, it will grow.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227456

But how can you justify starving a screaming infant?

[Morg]

Let's get back on the subject and no more name calling