Who do you want for Robin?

[Centurion]

i just saw a preview for a movie about knights or something and i saw Orlando Bloom.Now i don't know if i'm crazy but he looked like a good person to play Robin.what do you think?

[Darth Nata]

Orlando Bloom is way to old for Robin. If Robin is going to be introduced he should just be Dick Grayson for whole movie and then in the next one become Robin. Even though he is playing 15 year old Clark Kent in Superman Returns I think that Stephan Bender would make a good Dick Grayson.

[Riven]

Holy Crap!!! :D

No!

[lujho]

Yeah, Robin won't be in a batman movie for several years, if at all, so lets suggest a bunch of guys who are nearing 30 for the role!

Seriously, whoever should play robin is at this moment 10 years old or less.

[Two-Face]

No Way

[Relentless_Bat]

No Robin.Period.

To me, he is the OLNY weakness the Dark knight posesses

[HelloYellow]

Someone cute and boyish, but still with a dark side... Hmmm... Hayden Christensen anyone?

[Two-Face]

No Robin please in this new franchises I like Robin in comics and TAS when he's done right I don't want in Batmovies.

[GL1]

Heh... Frankie Muniz would've been a good Dick and Shia Lebouf would've been a good Tim, I think they're both too old for 'Robin Begins' (I say around part three or so...) Tyler Hoelchin as well, he'd have been AWESOME...

I think in a few years, Pacifier's Keegan Hoover will make a great origin story Dick Grayson... he already shows such promise... hahaha... Soren Fulton seems real young and has some interesting acting experience, including a LOT of advanced comedy and some voicing in JLU (Mordred) not too bad for a 12 year old... I'd run with him as a my-first-costume, 'Batman only lets me do recon and run errands' Robin...

[Riven]

Heh... Frankie Muniz would've been a good Dick and Shia Lebouf would've been a good Tim

First Orlando Bloom, now Frankie Muniz????? Jeeeeez... :eek: NO!

http://www.fox.com/malcolm/uncut/images/cast_frankie.jpg https://www.neodata.com/mad/images/alfreden.gif

What's next? Haley Joel Osmend for JAMES BOND?

http://www.hollywoodcultmovies.com/assets/images/HaleyJoelOsment1.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

Someone cute and boyish, but still with a dark side... Hmmm... Hayden Christensen anyone?

i like your thinking:)

[DOO BEE]

How Bout We Never Have A Robin?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Riven]

Someone cute and boyish, but still with a dark side... Hmmm... Hayden Christensen anyone?

He's 24 years old. He'll be near 30 when the franchise gets around to a Robin. Do you think a 30 year old should play Robin???

Orlando Bloom is 28. That's even worse.

How Bout We Never Have A Robin?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Wouldn't that be bliss?

[Payle Gray]

I can't forsee Robin being in any of the new Batman films. If Robin is going to be on the big screen again, it will be in his own movie.

[Antinicolae]

I can't forsee Robin being in any of the new Batman films. If Robin is going to be on the big screen again, it will be in his own movie.

I agree. With the realism approach they are trying to take, Robin doesn't really make sense. I know that Bruce Wayne has to have a few loose wires to even consider being Batman, but allowing a child to be put in danger on a regular basis is just plain criminal. And I don't think Robin would look good in a rubber costume. The forever costume wasn't terrible, but it also didn't seem right for Robin. However, having a kid in a cloth costume while the adult gets armor would be hard to justify.

[Boss]

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg

[raybia]

Doesn't anyone read comics anymore!? The original Robin was like 13 years old when 1st introduced in the comics. Bruce and Dick should be played as a father/son relationship like in the Road to Perdition not as the Ambiguously Gay Duo which is what it would be if you cast anyone older than 18.

[Antinicolae]

What's a comic?

[HelloYellow]

I didn't know how old Hayden Christensen was, but I can see now that he'll probably look to mature for the role if he gets it... Or if it's even being done.

And IF it's getting done, I think it would be better if Robin was a teenager, or young adult instead of some 14-year old beating up bad guys like The Joker. Hmmm, who else could play Robin... *thinks*

Maybe if David Anders coloured his hair XD?

[Boss]

Doesn't anyone read comics anymore!? The original Robin was like 13 years old when 1st introduced in the comics. Bruce and Dick should be played as a father/son relationship like in the Road to Perdition not as the Ambiguously Gay Duo which is what it would be if you cast anyone older than 18.
That's not the problem. the problem is the realism;

1. In "REALITY" who would take a kid with him to kick thugs asses?

2. (the biggest problem) is the acrobatics the robin must do. Batman in begins has his limits, how the **** can a kid do **** like that?

[spdrknight]

That's not the problem. the problem is the realism;

1. In "REALITY" who would take a kid with him to kick thugs asses?

2. (the biggest problem) is the acrobatics the robin must do. Batman in begins has his limits, how the **** can a kid do **** like that?

THat is the problem isn't? Maybe because of those factors and the whole realism angle that Nolan is taking we shouldn't have Robin in the franshise? I say keep him out, it won't work very well unless you change the character.

[Boss]

THat is the problem isn't? Maybe because of those factors and the whole realism angle that Nolan is taking we shouldn't have Robin in the franshise? I say keep him out, it won't work very well unless you change the character.
Maybe i wasnt clear enough :o..

i was agreeing with the perdition angle. not the gay duo grown up men thing, but i have to contra the good angle too!

[raybia]

I didn't know how old Hayden Christensen was, but I can see now that he'll probably look to mature for the role if he gets it... Or if it's even being done.

And IF it's getting done, I think it would be better if Robin was a teenager, or young adult instead of some 14-year old beating up bad guys like The Joker. Hmmm, who else could play Robin... *thinks*

Maybe if David Anders coloured his hair XD?

Actually a 14 year old is a teenager and it depends on the 14 year old. I know one who is 5'8 170 pounds.

I for one don't think Robin would work in Nolan's Batman series. Even if Nolan does not return, WB will not change the "realism" theme if BB is a huge hit.

If WB insisted on having Robin in the series then I would introduce Dick Grayson in the third sequel but NOT have him appear as Robin. I would portray his character as heading in the same direction as Bruce did when he was first faced with tragedy. Bruce recognizing this, intervenes in the boy's life and trys to vent Dick's rage for vengence by offering him some limited training. This training would not be for the purpose of becoming Batman's partner or sidekick but of course due to circumstances that is what eventually happens...in the next installment. Their relationship is portrayed as Father and son and as a mentor. Perhaps when Dick is introduced, he unwittingly becomes involves in the bigger context of the movie (think Road of Perdition) where he gets the opportunity to show some of his potential (skills of deduction rather than physical skill) based on what Bruce has taught him to that point. By the end of the movie Dick trys to convince Bruce to train him hardcore for the purpose of becoming his partner. Bruce agrees to train him but only for use in a backup role. Each movie shows him progressing more and more (like in the Harry Potter movies) in his skills and becoming more of an asset to Batman. However not all should be hunky doery. The writer should also demostrate (at least at first) how much of a liability it is having a minor as a partner.

In the next movie. You introduce Dick as Robin and he being used for surveillence when Batman is on patrol, but is instructed to never engage the enemy (of course this doesn't last long, either out of necessity or immaturity or a combination of both)This movie should demostrate how far Dick has progressed in both his training and maturity level (Kind of like Luke from SW to Empire)

[raybia]

That's not the problem. the problem is the realism;

1. In "REALITY" who would take a kid with him to kick thugs asses?

2. (the biggest problem) is the acrobatics the robin must do. Batman in begins has his limits, how the **** can a kid do **** like that?

Just watch girls gymnatics on tv. Those are 13 - 17 girls doing some impressive acrobatics. Also go into any Martial arts dojo in America. There are kids out there who can kick are asres!

[spdrknight]

Maybe i wasnt clear enough :o..

i was agreeing with the perdition angle. not the gay duo grown up men thing, but i have to contra the good angle too!

Perdition would probably be the only was it would work, but I don't beleive we can see the relationship of Bats and Robin from the comic. Batman won't take a kid out to fight crime like Robin does in the comic, the acrobats and all. I can see Bats training and mentoring Robin in the background but not making him a partner and taking him into the field. The Father-Son relationship could be there.

[raybia]

Road of Perdition should definitely be the basis for the relationship of Bruce and Dick and also on how to incorporate Robin into Batman's war on crime. But lets make one thing clear. They should never be portrayed as equals. Should be a Master/padawan relationship between them. As far as the costume, its should be recognizable as Robin, but its should be very subtle and more realistic looking compared to the Batsuit.

[raybia]

You know maybe, just maybe Robin could work as long as he is not the main part of the story and used as a strong supporting character to help further characterize Bruce Wayne. The main character has to always be Bruce and the story revolving around him.

[GL1]

That's not the problem. the problem is the realism;

1. In "REALITY" who would take a kid with him to kick thugs asses?

2. (the biggest problem) is the acrobatics the robin must do. Batman in begins has his limits, how the **** can a kid do **** like that?

That's not the problem, the problem is shortsightedness

1) When was the last time Batman took Robin with him to kick thugs asses? It's been awhile actually, Robin gets sent on errands, "Take this here" "Run recon here" "Make distraction over here" "Do not fail me..." This kind of thing is just what the doctor ordered for a "Realistic" Batman-Robin "partnership" and I don't know why people say "No Robin" when all they really seem to have a problem with is "Robin beating up thugs"

2) Once you get past the fact that he's a professional circus performer from the time he could walk, him doing olympic level acrobatics is no sweat... add in a little free running and you have one great kid character... a perfect runner/gopher for Batman...

EDIT: Yeah, and he shouldn't steal the show either, but that's hardly difficult... it's called 'supporting cast' if Robin makes batman 'unalone' then so does Alfred...

[Voyeur]

I have to admit, though Batman has always been my favorite, I've just never like the whole Batman and Robin combo. To me Batman was the lone dark detective who hid in the shadows until just the right time to strike. The inclusion of a circus boy with bright orange shirt and little green shorts seemed to counter that whole persona...at least to me.

But whatever...

If there must be a Robin in the new series, they should probably save him for the last film.

[Boss]

Another problem is that we'll leave to little character development to Bats, thats found in TLH and YEAR ONE, that needs to be done. now if we introduce robin Bats development will go in symbiosis with robin. and we DONT need that. in a long time.

[spdrknight]

If there must be a Robin in the new series, they should probably save him for the last film.

That is the important questions, DO we NEED a Robin in the new franchise?

[HelloYellow]

Actually a 14 year old is a teenager and it depends on the 14 year old. I know one who is 5'8 170 pounds.

I for one don't think Robin would work in Nolan's Batman series. Even if Nolan does not return, WB will not change the "realism" theme if BB is a huge hit.

If WB insisted on having Robin in the series then I would introduce Dick Grayson in the third sequel but NOT have him appear as Robin. I would portray his character as heading in the same direction as Bruce did when he was first faced with tragedy. Bruce recognizing this, intervenes in the boy's life and trys to vent Dick's rage for vengence by offering him some limited training. This training would not be for the purpose of becoming Batman's partner or sidekick but of course due to circumstances that is what eventually happens...in the next installment. Their relationship is portrayed as Father and son and as a mentor. Perhaps when Dick is introduced, he unwittingly becomes involves in the bigger context of the movie (think Road of Perdition) where he gets the opportunity to show some of his potential (skills of deduction rather than physical skill) based on what Bruce has taught him to that point. By the end of the movie Dick trys to convince Bruce to train him hardcore for the purpose of becoming his partner. Bruce agrees to train him but only for use in a backup role. Each movie shows him progressing more and more (like in the Harry Potter movies) in his skills and becoming more of an asset to Batman. However not all should be hunky doery. The writer should also demostrate (at least at first) how much of a liability it is having a minor as a partner.

In the next movie. You introduce Dick as Robin and he being used for surveillence when Batman is on patrol, but is instructed to never engage the enemy (of course this doesn't last long, either out of necessity or immaturity or a combination of both)This movie should demostrate how far Dick has progressed in both his training and maturity level (Kind of like Luke from SW to Empire)

Okay, sounds good. But how do we know that this movie will get sequals? I hope it will, but if it stops like at the second movie or something, we still have unfinished business with Dick... Hmmm...

But the real question is: If there WAS a Robin, who would you want to play him?

(when I said not 14-year old, I meant that I wanted someone who looked a bit more mature, but still not quite adult yet. MOst 14-year olds don't look like that)

[raybia]

Okay, sounds good. But how do we know that this movie will get sequals? I hope it will, but if it stops like at the second movie or something, we still have unfinished business with Dick... Hmmm...

But the real question is: If there WAS a Robin, who would you want to play him?

(when I said not 14-year old, I meant that I wanted someone who looked a bit more mature, but still not quite adult yet. MOst 14-year olds don't look like that)

No, there would not be a guarantee that there would be a 2nd movie, just like there was no guarantees that another WB property would not be successful enough to produce subsequent sequels: Harry Potter. It just a chance they have to take.

Well, the problem with naming someone at this point is that by the time they would be ready, he would be too old. For me the perfect person would be the kid from Road to Perdition. I think whoever they get should be model after him and his character in the movie. I think the actor should be someone that somewhat resembles Bale to give added effect to the surrogate father/son relationship.

http://www.thewb.com/THEWB/Images/Dynamic/i61/SV-THoechlin-E_2x3_240.jpg

[GL1]

Another problem is that we'll leave to little character development to Bats, thats found in TLH and YEAR ONE, that needs to be done. now if we introduce robin Bats development will go in symbiosis with robin. and we DONT need that. in a long time.

Again, the actual problem is shortsightedness... Robin doesn't have to steal the show or 'symbiote' anymore than Alfred does... he has two origin scenes, parents dying and being adopted, both which incorporate themselves into a larger story pretty danged easily... give him a few scenes of training in the background and you have Robin WITHOUT violating batmans soloness, darkness, screen time or any such thing...


Agree with Tyler Hoelchin as a 'Robin-model' as well as his part from Road to Perdition... not sure I agree with a need to 'look like Bale' though I suppose it couldn't hurt...

[afan]

Nobody yet has mentioned another Batman / Robin type relationship that worked very well from another film. That film also involves an adult male, extremely skilled and dangerous at his profession, who adopts and offers comfort to a 13ish child orphaned by acts of criminal violence. Any guesses?

We also had Indiana Jones and Short Round in Temple of Doom and that
partnership didn't irreperably harm the film.
So the concept alone of teaming an adult and a child ala Batman and Robin does not in and of itself preclude it's success on film.

[raybia]

Nobody yet has mentioned another Batman / Robin type relationship that worked very well from another film. That film also involves an adult male, extremely skilled and dangerous at his profession, who adopts and offers comfort to a 13ish orphaned child. Any guesses?
We also had Indiana Jones and Short Round in Temple of Doom and that partnership didn't irreperably harm the film.
So the concept alone of teaming an adult and a child ala Batman and Robin does not in and of itself preclude it's success on film.


Great suggestion! TOD is one of my favorite movies and the relationship between Jones and Short Round, along with Road of Perdition, a great model for the relationship between Bruce and Dick.

[Voyeur]

Interesting point, but there's definitely a difference between Indiana Jones and Batman, at least in terms of personalities and what they do.

Indiana Jones is a rugged but likeable archeologist who happens to find himself in dangerous situations...Batman is an intense detective/vigilante who seeks and dispenses danger.

I just feel that the moment Batman is joined by Robin, he loses a lot of that edge and goes from intense Dark Knight to chummy Dynamic Duo...which was great when I was a little kid. But as I got older and discovered what Batman was all about, I wondered why the "Boy Wonder" was ever included.

[afan]

Interesting point, but there's definitely a difference between Indiana Jones and Batman, at least in terms of personalities and what they do.

Indiana Jones is a rugged but likeable archeologist who happens to find himself in dangerous situations...Batman is an intense detective/vigilante who seeks and dispenses danger.

I just feel that the moment Batman is joined by Robin, he loses a lot of that edge and goes from intense Dark Knight to chummy Dynamic Duo...which was great when I was a little kid. But as I got older and discovered what Batman was all about, I wondered why the "Boy Wonder" was ever included.

Well one could use that element of The Batman to illustrate why he "needs" Dick Grayson / Robin as an emotional anchor that prevents him from becoming too dark.

By the way I was also making a referrence to another film that featured an adoption of an orphaned teen by an adult....... "The Professional."

[raybia]

Well one could use that element of The Batman to illustrate why he "needs" Dick Grayson / Robin as an emotional anchor that prevents him from becoming too dark.

By the way I was also making a referrence to another film that featured an adoption of an orphaned teen by an adult....... "The Professional."

Another great example and I love that movie. The inclusion of Robin does necessitate Batman losing his edge and grittness.

[GL1]

I just feel that the moment Batman is joined by Robin, he loses a lot of that edge and goes from intense Dark Knight to chummy Dynamic Duo...which was great when I was a little kid. But as I got older and discovered what Batman was all about, I wondered why the "Boy Wonder" was ever included.

Define "joined," please.

As per the thread title: I definitely do not want Robin swinging right behind Batman and getting pointers on how to take out thugs mid-battle...

[raybia]

Define "joined," please.

As per the thread title: I definitely do not want Robin swinging right behind Batman and getting pointers on how to take out thugs mid-battle...

He should be used only for reconn work. It should be portrayed that Batman keeps him involved for theraputic reasons to help Dick get pass his grieve and anger but deep down this is not the life that Bruce wants for Dick and hopes to eventually dissuade him from this line of work.

[patrickbateman]

if ya need an actor to stand up to Bale and Michael Cain on screen its got to be Jamie Bell, then again it all depends on the script , for those of you worried about his age sure he can play a younger version of Robin just like Bale did with Batman,.

http://www.bfca.org/images/photos/jamiebell.jpg

PLUS I'M SURE BALE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH HIM SINCE THEY SHARE SOMETHING IN COMMON

He's the only second actor ever to be awarded Outstanding Performance by a Young Actor from the National Board of Review, USA. The first was fellow Brit Christian Bale in 1987 (titled Outstanding Juvenile Performance then).

[patrickbateman]

^
FUTURE BATMAN ? aNYONE

[Riven]

^^ "Billy Elliot"?? Hell no!

:o

[patrickbateman]

^^ "Billy Elliot"?? Hell no!

:o


Yeah guys like you went around saying that sissy boy from Newsies for Batman hell no
http://www.moviehabit.com/photos/newsies_150.jpg do yourself a favour and go check out the other movies with Jamie Bell and yup he is a bale in the making.

[Centurion]

http://www.bfca.org/images/photos/jamiebell.jpg



*looks at pic* i'm waiting for him to fly away with the dumbo ears of his.
if hes going to be a choice for Robin, i guess there shouldn't be a Robin at all.

[Riven]

do yourself a favour and go check out the other movies with Jamie Bell and yup he is a bale in the making.
It's not the fact that he's Billy Elliot that bugs me, it's that he's a crap actor that I HAVE seen in other -crap- roles.

He's no Robin and he sure as hell isn't a future Batman (like the poster after you suggested).

[spdrknight]

http://www.bfca.org/images/photos/jamiebell.jpg



He could work as Robin, he is still young... but by the time that they introduce Robin he could look and sound too old. I still want a younger actor for Robin, if he has to be introduced, between the ages of 13-16 would work.

[Voyeur]

Define "joined," please.
You know, like driving around in the Batmobile...leaping out together...beating up some the Joker's flunkies, then high-fiving each other.

[ArmsHeldOut]

No, there would not be a guarantee that there would be a 2nd movie, just like there was no guarantees that another WB property would not be successful enough to produce subsequent sequels: Harry Potter. It just a chance they have to take.

Well, the problem with naming someone at this point is that by the time they would be ready, he would be too old. For me the perfect person would be the kid from Road to Perdition. I think whoever they get should be model after him and his character in the movie. I think the actor should be someone that somewhat resembles Bale to give added effect to the surrogate father/son relationship.

http://www.thewb.com/THEWB/Images/Dynamic/i61/SV-THoechlin-E_2x3_240.jpg

Kick a$$ Raybia! When I initially saw this thread, the first kid who popped into my head was the teen from Road To Perdition!!! He would make an excellent Robin and a good successor to Bale (as Batman) in the distant future. He's even got the right phenotype to keep purists happy.

[raybia]

^
When I 1st posted on this thread I really was against having Robin but with all of the excellent ideas, I really think it could work as long as its properly done. Just take all of the reasons why people wouldn't want this character and write his development and the story in a way that would eliminate those problems.

[Bat-Justin]

No Robin!

[GL1]

You know, like driving around in the Batmobile...leaping out together...beating up some the Joker's flunkies, then high-fiving each other.

Yeah, that's out, way out... No thank you, not even up for discussion...

Now a recon Robin, THAT's a great character waiting to happen...

therapeutic works, but what about the fact that Batman having an operative is a really useful thing to him?

[raybia]

Yeah, that's out, way out... No thank you, not even up for discussion...

Now a recon Robin, THAT's a great character waiting to happen...

therapeutic works, but what about the fact that Batman having an operative is a really useful thing to him?

Robin as an operative is the way to go.

It was always insulting to me that Bruce Wayne trained half his life to be able to do the extraordinary things he can do as Batman and then here comes this kid who is on par with Batman with mininal training.

If thats the way WB would want Robin portrayed then absolutely NO ROBIN!!!!

[I AM THE NIGHT]

Here's the problem with robin as like a spy for batman. HE'S 15YEARS OLD OR YOUNGER!!!!!!!!! If robin shows up it will ruin the batman movies. I like robin, I enjoy him in the comics but the character simply would not work in a movie. In a movie you have limited time to tell a complete story, and added characters take time away from the development of the keby characters. If robin showed up the film would either be Robin-centric or he would barely be in the film. I'm not trying to crap on anybody's Idea but robin Cannot be in a half-way decent Batman movie

[Maxwell Smart]

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg

I concur.

[Two-Face]

Here's the problem with robin as like a spy for batman. HE'S 15YEARS OLD OR YOUNGER!!!!!!!!! If robin shows up it will ruin the batman movies. I like robin, I enjoy him in the comics but the character simply would not work in a movie. In a movie you have limited time to tell a complete story, and added characters take time away from the development of the keby characters. If robin showed up the film would either be Robin-centric or he would barely be in the film. I'm not trying to crap on anybody's Idea but robin Cannot be in a half-way decent Batman movie


I agree with everything you said. :up:

[GL1]

Here's the problem with robin as like a spy for batman. HE'S 15YEARS OLD OR YOUNGER!!!!!!!!! If robin shows up it will ruin the batman movies. I like robin, I enjoy him in the comics but the character simply would not work in a movie. In a movie you have limited time to tell a complete story, and added characters take time away from the development of the keby characters. If robin showed up the film would either be Robin-centric or he would barely be in the film. I'm not trying to crap on anybody's Idea but robin Cannot be in a half-way decent Batman movie

I hear you, but are you really saying anything?

WHY wouldn't he work?

Doesn't Alfred take time away from the key characters? How about, I dunno, Captain Gordon or Lucious Fox? You thought Batman Begins was about Batman? It's about Bruce Wayne, baby... and supporting like characters like Robin and Henri Ducard are what make the movies great, all their development funnels right back into Batman making him a better character. He wouldn't take any more screen time than Rachel Dodson and would provide FAR more character development for Batman...

I'm sure that you can't SEE how Robin can't be in the best Batman film ever, but perhaps you haven't seen Road to Perdition, or any good father-son action movie, for that matter... perhaps you just lack vision, even of things right in front of you, perhaps there's nothing wrong with Robin at all...

[Riven]

perhaps you just lack vision
Not necessarily (dis)agreeing with you, but that is the most cruddy argument in the history of civilisation.

It's worse than "my dad is stronger than yours so njah"

[Captain_Obvious]

No Robin.

:)

[GL1]

Not necessarily (dis)agreeing with you, but that is the most cruddy argument in the history of civilisation.

It's worse than "my dad is stronger than yours so njah"

It wasn't an arguement, it was an accusation, and as such, perhaps I shouldn't have said it...

Regardless, I've done worse... :) You should've seen the old Beyonce as Lois Lane threads...

[Two-Face]

No Robin.

:)


Agreed. :)

[raybia]

I hear you, but are you really saying anything?

WHY wouldn't he work?

Doesn't Alfred take time away from the key characters? How about, I dunno, Captain Gordon or Lucious Fox? You thought Batman Begins was about Batman? It's about Bruce Wayne, baby... and supporting like characters like Robin and Henri Ducard are what make the movies great, all their development funnels right back into Batman making him a better character. He wouldn't take any more screen time than Rachel Dodson and would provide FAR more character development for Batman...

I'm sure that you can't SEE how Robin can't be in the best Batman film ever, but perhaps you haven't seen Road to Perdition, or any good father-son action movie, for that matter... perhaps you just lack vision, even of things right in front of you, perhaps there's nothing wrong with Robin at all...


:up:

Well ultimately its not our decision but if I was a betting man, I would bet that Robin will show up by the 2nd sequel, just like in the 1st series.

I just pray they use our suggestions or else it will be F'ed up!

[haggis]

Just say no to Robin

[GoldGoblin]

Just say no to Robin

^Exactly.Robin does not work in a Batman movie.Batman was alot cooler as a loner in the movies.Robin takes away that darkness that Batman has.Robin is the plague...

[Two-Face]

^Exactly.Robin does not work in a Batman movie.Batman was alot cooler as a loner in the movies.Robin takes away that darkness that Batman has.Robin is the plague...

I like reading Batman doing solo in the comics, sometimes I like Robin in comics. It wouldn't work in a movie that's why schumacher had to do campy when Robin was in Forever and B&R, I agree with everything you said.

[ArmsHeldOut]

No Robin and no Mr.Freeze.

'Nuff said.

[GL1]

^Exactly.Robin does not work in a Batman movie.Batman was alot cooler as a loner in the movies.Robin takes away that darkness that Batman has.Robin is the plague...

Robin does work. Robin doesn't take away that darkness, Schumacker takes away that darkness. Neither Two-Face nor Riddler were to blame, it's the director who made Robin bad, the characters is fine and great, just like all of Batman's supporting cast.

I like reading Batman doing solo in the comics, sometimes I like Robin in comics. It wouldn't work in a movie that's why schumacher had to do campy when Robin was in Forever and B&R, I agree with everything you said.

Schumacher didn't have to do campy, he chose to, and he chose to get Robin, Robin didn't not 'force' him to do anything. Read Dark Victory. Watch Road to Perdition. Have you ever heard of Batman the Animated series? You can't blame camp on Robin.

:up:

Well ultimately its not our decision but if I was a betting man, I would bet that Robin will show up by the 2nd sequel, just like in the 1st series.

I just pray they use our suggestions or else it will be F'ed up!

Indeed... I'm sure that in the present regime, IF they use Robin they'll keep him dark, in the background and realistic, instead of making him a joke like the last movies did, but some people around here don't seem to know anything about Robin except "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" which is really sad for a "batman fan"... I wonder if they're as clueless about Alfred or Gordon...

No Robin and no Mr.Freeze.

'Nuff said.

Yes Robin and Yes Mr. Freeze.

'Nuff said. :rolleyes:

[spdrknight]

Schumacher didn't have to do campy, he chose to, and he chose to get Robin, Robin didn't not 'force' him to do anything. Read Dark Victory. Watch Road to Perdition. Have you ever heard of Batman the Animated series? You can't blame camp on Robin.



Indeed... I'm sure that in the present regime, IF they use Robin they'll keep him dark, in the background and realistic, instead of making him a joke like the last movies did, but some people around here don't seem to know anything about Robin except "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" which is really sad for a "batman fan"... I wonder if they're as clueless about Alfred or Gordon...



I understand the character very well, I read the comics way before any of the movies came out and before Tim Drake became Robin. I liked Grayson, I never really liked Todd as much though (don't know why really). I was excited to hear that Forever was going to have Robin come in, but when I saw the movie it just wasn't what I remembered Robin to be and B&R just was not anything like a Batman film to me.

If they could get Robin right in this new franchise, cool, have in it... but do it right like in Dark Victory (like you said and others have said as well). I think it is not that people don't "understand Robin" it is because none of us want something like Forever... so we want to stay away from the elements of that movie all together. It seems that whenever Robin is in something with Batman, like the movies and the 60's show, it turns to camp (TAS is the exception and was a great show). But the new franchise should focus on Wayne/Batman first and foremost because they bring in a Robin. That is my opinion. And I want to make sure that you understand that I know Robin outside of Forever and B&R, must posters probably do, must just don't want to see camp again and I don't either.

[GL1]

Well said spdrknight, perhaps you are correct and my accusations are misdirected...

The problem perhaps lies in the fact that many can't see the difference between a director's decision and an iconic character. Robin carries camp well, I mean, look at how they dress the poor boy... but that's not what the character is about. If people came in and said "No Camp." then my reaction would be completely different, but they say "No Robin." which indicates that either they don't know how to express themselvse or they don't know what they're talking about.

Even the guys who are kind enough to type out what they're actually thinking equate Robin with camp even though all you have to do is pick up a comic or watch BTAS and you'll see differently. Everytime Robin has been campy, Batman has been worse, everytime Robin has been done well, Batman has looked all the better for it...

[David Ford, RPD]

Is there a way to have Robin without Robin?

You see, I think that, if Nolan and Goyer put Robin in the series, Robin fans would be dissapointed. For instance, I wouldn't be suprised if his name was changed, to distance him from previous incarnations of TV and the big screen.

And why have him wear a costume at all? Why have a him fight crime alongisde Batman? It would make much more sense for him to serve an Oracle-esque role, as a computer hacker/communicator who could provide Bruce with a new perspective on his cases, as he did in Dark Victory.

The only way I could see him wearing a suit is if Batman is injured somehow, and the character would have to fight crime in Gotham with a modified BB suit Bruce secretly modified for him, in case Batman became no more.

[Two-Face]

No Robin in Batman Begins sequel.

[The Question]

non of the teenage actors out there right now would be good for a just starting out robin in a sequel in a few years

[spdrknight]

Well said spdrknight, perhaps you are correct and my accusations are misdirected...

The problem perhaps lies in the fact that many can't see the difference between a director's decision and an iconic character. Robin carries camp well, I mean, look at how they dress the poor boy... but that's not what the character is about. If people came in and said "No Camp." then my reaction would be completely different, but they say "No Robin." which indicates that either they don't know how to express themselvse or they don't know what they're talking about.

Even the guys who are kind enough to type out what they're actually thinking equate Robin with camp even though all you have to do is pick up a comic or watch BTAS and you'll see differently. Everytime Robin has been campy, Batman has been worse, everytime Robin has been done well, Batman has looked all the better for it...

True, some people don't express their opinions very well but they may have expressed themselves early in the thread and don't feel like stating what they already had. At any rate though, that matters not... Robin is the subjext here.

[Future Prez]

How about...
NO ONE BECAUSE ROBIN IS NEVER GOING TO DESTORY ANOTHER BATMAN MOVIE!

[The Batman]

The Fact that people dont want Robin, a guy who, is as much as an icon as Batman in the film, just shows how much Batman Fans know now a days.

Not having Robin in the film is like not having Alfred or Gordon. It's just a slap in the face to a character that deserves better. Now, if we were talking about having jason todd or tim drake in the film, then i'd agree, but Dick Greyson is an ICON. He's the Ultimate Superhero sidekick. the most famous one.

[spdrknight]

Just because a character is an icon doesn't mean that character has to be in the movies.

[The Batman]

fine, than bruce wayne dosent have to be in the next movie....

[GL1]

The Fact that people dont want Robin, a guy who, is as much as an icon as Batman in the film, just shows how much Batman Fans know now a days.

Not having Robin in the film is like not having Alfred or Gordon. It's just a slap in the face to a character that deserves better. Now, if we were talking about having jason todd or tim drake in the film, then i'd agree, but Dick Greyson is an ICON. He's the Ultimate Superhero sidekick. the most famous one.

Cool... now I get to type: "Absolute agreement, man..." :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

fine, than bruce wayne dosent have to be in the next movie....

Batman and Dick maybe be icons. But Batman is the central character whereas Dick isn't. So he doesn't need to be in the movies.

[The Batman]

Ok, then Alfred and Gordon dont need to be in the movies, because they're not the main character. In fact, all of Batman's supporting characters dont need to be in the film.

[Two-Face]

Look people wanted Batman doing solo not team up and you know Batman works better with out Robin

[spdrknight]

Ok, then Alfred and Gordon dont need to be in the movies, because they're not the main character. In fact, all of Batman's supporting characters dont need to be in the film.

That is stupid... just because some doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you have to throw a tantrum and say "fine then, no one has to be in it then BUT batman".

There are reasons for some characters and there are reasons for others. Robin doesn't fullfil a large void and add a large significant part to Batman... Gorgon and Alfred do. You may argue that Robin keeps Batman from going completely into the dark and going insane... but Alfred also does that in a way and I would rather see Bruce/Bats deal with those demons himself. You need villians in the film... you need Alfred because he fills that need in Bruce's life for a Father-figure. Gordon is there to represent the side of the law that is untained by corruption, he is the "ideal" image of good in Gotham City while Batman is the image of that need to cross the line sometimes in order to get things done. I don't see a huge need for Robin, he doesn't have to come in. But Bruce/Bats needs supporting characters to play off of, or the whole movie is going to be kind of boring.

[The Batman]

Robin exists because he can bring out a brighter side of Batman that Alfred can't. Even if Bruce is an eternal pessimist, Dick can crack jokes, act overly excited about crimefighting, etc. Robin forces Bruce to care more and not be so wrapped up in his own darkness. Dick brings out the more heroic side.

[GL1]

That is stupid... just because some doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you have to throw a tantrum and say "fine then, no one has to be in it then BUT batman".

There are reasons for some characters and there are reasons for others. Robin doesn't fullfil a large void and add a large significant part to Batman... Gorgon and Alfred do. You may argue that Robin keeps Batman from going completely into the dark and going insane... but Alfred also does that in a way and I would rather see Bruce/Bats deal with those demons himself. You need villians in the film... you need Alfred because he fills that need in Bruce's life for a Father-figure. Gordon is there to represent the side of the law that is untained by corruption, he is the "ideal" image of good in Gotham City while Batman is the image of that need to cross the line sometimes in order to get things done. I don't see a huge need for Robin, he doesn't have to come in. But Bruce/Bats needs supporting characters to play off of, or the whole movie is going to be kind of boring.

That's not a tantrum... that's using bad logic on the arguer to show them their thorough folly.

As for character reasons, I believe you are confusing "in-character reasons" like adopting Grayson to keep away from the dark side and "out of character" or writer reasons, like giving Bats time with Gordon to show how the uncorrupted law (which is corrupt in ways) and the corrupted form of justice (batman's vengeance-laden mission) intersect.

A writer reason for Grayson would be in order to explore themes of the future and give a viceral form of Bruce's self reflection in his relation to what is, in some ways, a younger version of himself. Robin gives us not only a clear and touching view on how Bruce sees himself... by intersecting Bruce, a world-travelled warrior and Grayson, a sidekick (movie-wise, not comic-book wise) with his own vengeance you not only get to see Batman in a new role, an authority that brings out the good in people through his own hardcore methods, but you get to examine any shared theme between Batman and Robin with a new light. Loss. Sacrifice. Venegance. Commitment. Fathers and Sons. You name it, a scene with Robin can highlight just as well, if not better than Gordon or Alfred.

Of course, many things that you can use Robin for writer-wise, can be done with other, less-similar characters, but the same can be said for any character, except of course, the central one, Batman.

In conclusion: Robin fills as much of a void and is as large a part of Batman as any other Batman supporting characer. Including Gordon and Alfred, and does so for the reasons listed above, not the reason the Batman character would give: "He keeps me from going insane..."

[spdrknight]

That's not a tantrum... that's using bad logic on the arguer to show them their thorough folly.

As for character reasons, I believe you are confusing "in-character reasons" like adopting Grayson to keep away from the dark side and "out of character" or writer reasons, like giving Bats time with Gordon to show how the uncorrupted law (which is corrupt in ways) and the corrupted form of justice (batman's vengeance-laden mission) intersect.

A writer reason for Grayson would be in order to explore themes of the future and give a viceral form of Bruce's self reflection in his relation to what is, in some ways, a younger version of himself. Robin gives us not only a clear and touching view on how Bruce sees himself... by intersecting Bruce, a world-travelled warrior and Grayson, a sidekick (movie-wise, not comic-book wise) with his own vengeance you not only get to see Batman in a new role, an authority that brings out the good in people through his own hardcore methods, but you get to examine any shared theme between Batman and Robin with a new light. Loss. Sacrifice. Venegance. Commitment. Fathers and Sons. You name it, a scene with Robin can highlight just as well, if not better than Gordon or Alfred.

Of course, many things that you can use Robin for writer-wise, can be done with other, less-similar characters, but the same can be said for any character, except of course, the central one, Batman.

In conclusion: Robin fills as much of a void and is as large a part of Batman as any other Batman supporting characer. Including Gordon and Alfred, and does so for the reasons listed above, not the reason the Batman character would give: "He keeps me from going insane..."

I understand your reasoning, it makes perfect sense too. I see the reason for a Robin... but I still don't think there is this large reason for putting him in the franchise, not in the second or third film at least. But I don't think Robin should be in the films just because he is in the comics, that isn't a good reason. If the filmmakers can find a way to introduce Dick and not turn the franchise to a more lighter side. This is just my opinoun, but I also see your logic and it's sound.

[raybia]

The Origins of Robin, the Boy Wonder
Did you Know...?, Scoop, Friday, January 03, 2003

Did you know that Batman's faithful young sidekick, Robin, didn't start off as a superhero? In fact, with his first 1940 appearance (in Detective Comics #38), Robin was a circus star!

As Dick Grayson, he was a member of the family circus act The Flying Graysons - an act that consisted of Dick and his parents. They were the toast of the circus, but a malicious gang of thugs, led by a creep called Zucco, had other plans in store for them. It all started when Dick overheard a meeting between the owner of the circus, named Mr. Haley, and members of the gang. As it was, they wanted money or else there would be serious accidents with the circus. And sure enough, when Haley didn't heed the gang's warning, they slicked the tightropes of The Flying Graysons with acid. Then, right in the middle of a performance, as the family was about to perform their most death-defying feat - the triple spin - tragedy struck. Dick's mother and father fell to their deaths, leaving Dick lost, alone, and wanting help.

In fact, he was set to seek help from the police when - lo and behold! - Batman appeared. No stranger to the horror of losing his parents, Batman assured the young boy that going to the police would solve nothing - and could only make matters worse - as the whole town was already so deeply entrenched in Zucco's gang. So, the boy asked if Batman would take him on as his protégé, and that very day, headed to the Batcave where he took a candlelight vow to fight crime and uphold justice at all costs. And Dick Grayson went from a child on the brink of being orphaned to becoming the one and only Robin, The Boy Wonder.

Jerry Robinson created Robin because he thought that his various adventures and exploits would appeal to kids. He also made no bones about the fact that his character so closely resembled Robin Hood - in name and appearance as well as in deed. In fact, Robinson openly admitted that the Boy Wonder was inspired from Robin Hood, going so far as to have him refer to himself as the “young Robin Hood of the day.”

And to this day, the Boy Wonder has been making the adventures of Batman all the more wonderful.

[raybia]

Robin was created to attract kids for the 1940's to Batman.

Do we need Robin to attract kids of the 21st century or can writers and Nolan make Batman cool enough to attract them?

[Two-Face]

I still don't want Robin in Batman Begins movies but he's great charater in comics.

[Till_the_End]

Well we all want the movies to focus on Batman/Bruce. But that also means that the character has to develop. He can’t just be the Dark Knight all the time. So what could make the character develop? Well women is one idea, like Talia or Catwoman, but isn’t that going to be too simple? I think it would work good if he became really dark in the second movie and than a young boy brings some light into his life in the third movie. Not necessarily Robin, but Dick Grayson.

[Infinity9999x]

Makulie Kulken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
(sp?)
(kid from home alone the original 2)

[Two-Face]

Kevin: OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!

http://eprentice.sdsu.edu/S04X/scase/home%20alone.gif

[Infinity9999x]

haha great pic.
---oh guys jk
*zips up flame proof vest anyways*

[Amazing Afroman]

Eventually robin is going to show up. You can't simply ignore the character, and what's more if it is executed well, unlike the crapfest in the last two films, there will be nothing to complain about. Robin is batman's concious, the balance that at times reminds Bruce what he's fighting for. If you never want the character to develop that's great and all but for me at least that's the point of the story.


Courtesy of Super Scar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/rob.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/bgr2.jpg

[Till_the_End]

Yes yes Makulie Kulken.....


and for the Joker .....................

http://www.voanews.com/english/Archive/images/MIchael%20Jackson.jpg

Now he does look like him.

[Amazing Afroman]

LOL!

[spdrknight]

Courtesy of Super Scar


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg



If Robin enters the franchise, this is what I would like to see in the way of a costume... it is the right age as well.

[GL1]

I understand your reasoning, it makes perfect sense too. I see the reason for a Robin... but I still don't think there is this large reason for putting him in the franchise, not in the second or third film at least. But I don't think Robin should be in the films just because he is in the comics, that isn't a good reason. If the filmmakers can find a way to introduce Dick and not turn the franchise to a more lighter side. This is just my opinoun, but I also see your logic and it's sound.

Makes sense... I agree by and large, especially the not turning the franchise light bit... creepy kids are fun...

[Sauron]

I say no Robin but, if he is in one of the sequels he should be oplayed by an unknown around 15 years old.

They shouldn't change the costume 'cause since they changed the suit in the comics to the Tim Drake costume that suit is perfect for a movie. It came off okay in "Forever" but they screwed it up. But, if they have the collar that covers his neck and don't pull it down like in Forever, and ofcourse no nipples and a material like Bales and it'll be cool. :batman:

[spiderman water]

hell no this movie don't need no side kick.

[GL1]

I think this thread got derailed around the time that someone said 'Orlando Bloom' which says so much about what ppl know about Robin already. Of course, a male Daktoa Fanning would be ideal, however, such a person may not exist...

My humble findings:

Duane Carnahan: http://www.stuntkids.com/home.asp?page=resume&id=49
This kid is interesting... he's got actual circus acts in his background, he's far more athletic than what I've seen before... he's a little old (almost fourteen already...) but he seems like an interesting pick

Freddie Highmore: http://www.youngstarnews.com/news/041121-001-highmore.htm
Finding Neverland's little boy and the new Charlie (and the Choc Factory)... pretty good with the kid stuff, though perhaps his innocent exuberant roles don't get you, they do show an intense acting skill (critic's choice best actor), he's tweleve, I believe...

Cameron Blight: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1080974/
The little boy from "Birth," convincing as a thirty year old man... not bad indeed... also played young Tommy in "Butterfly Effect"... a bit darker filmography, a very grayson-esque look... my pick honestly... just get a good stuntman...

All of these kids have heavy acting chops and more than their fair share of darkness ability... I think any of them would make a kick-tail Rich Grayson boy wonder... though of course, they would have to cut the camp from Robin's character design just as they did for Batman, Scarecrow and any other costumed character in the Batman universe...

EDIT:
And something about Soren Fulton's http://www.risingstar.to/sfulton.html range and look and bale-ness gets me... I think he'd make a kick-tail Grayson as well... I've seen him overact just a bit, but he's young, perhaps he'll over come it in a couple years, but his range of expression is pretty great for a kid so young...

[spdrknight]

I think this thread got derailed around the time that someone said 'Orlando Bloom' which says so much about what ppl know about Robin already. Of course, a male Daktoa Fanning would be ideal, however, such a person may not exist...

My humble findings:

Duane Carnahan: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1553452/bio
This kid is interesting... he's got actual circus acts in his background, he's far more athletic than what I've seen before... he's a little old (almost fourteen already...) but he seems like an interesting pick

Freddie Highmore: http://www.youngstarnews.com/news/041121-001-highmore.htm
Finding Neverland's little boy and the new Charlie (and the Choc Factory)... pretty good with the kid stuff, though perhaps his innocent exuberant roles don't get you, they do show an intense acting skill (critic's choice best actor), he's tweleve, I believe...

Cameron Blight: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1080974/
The little boy from "Birth," convincing as a thirty year old man... not bad indeed... also played young Tommy in "Butterfly Effect"... a bit darker filmography, a very grayson-esque look... my pick honestly... just get a good stuntman...

All of these kids have heavy acting chops and more than their fair share of darkness ability... I think any of them would make a kick-tail Rich Grayson boy wonder... though of course, they would have to cut the camp from Robin's character design just as they did for Batman, Scarecrow and any other costumed character in the Batman universe...

EDIT:
And something about Soren Fulton's http://www.risingstar.to/sfulton.html range and look and bale-ness gets me... I think he'd make a kick-tail Grayson as well... I think he overacts just a bit, but he's young, perhaps he'll over come it in a couple years, but his range of expression is pretty great for a kid so young...

I think Duane Carnahan and Cameron Blight are good choices... Carnahan is a good actor and it only going to get better considering his young age right now and Blight is less but he has proven that for a young kid he can play a dark role. Good suggestions.

[GoldGoblin]

Why do you guys want Robin in the movie so bad?

[spdrknight]

^ I'm not totally in favor of Robin... I would rather not have Robin but if he is brought in, I want a good representation. The Dark Victory Robin, with a kid playing the role. But I would rather not see Robin though.

[GL1]

Why do you guys want Robin in the movie so bad?

I honestly just like teen heroes. But honestly, with the question like that it's really tempting to ask "why do you guys want X in the movie so bad?" replacing the X with Catwoman, Selina, Two-Face, Riddler on any other fan favorite character. I just like the character, don't you have a favorite?

If you're asking why my favorite character is so different from everyone else's, then, well, I'm afraid we're just not that close, GG :joker:

[JLBats]

I like the character because he represents the more caring side of Batman's quest: He wants to insure that no child ever has to go through what he went through. Through Robin we get a glimpse at the child Bruce could have been had someone been there in his life to teach him how to use his anger and hatred in a better, more useful manner. Robin is Bruce's way of trying ti make things right for himself.

[Captain_Obvious]

I like the character because he represents the more caring side of Batman's quest: He wants to insure that no child ever has to go through what he went through. Through Robin we get a glimpse at the child Bruce could have been had someone been there in his life to teach him how to use his anger and hatred in a better, more useful manner. Robin is Bruce's way of trying ti make things right for himself.
but many hate Batman's caring side :o

[JLBats]

I don't mean caring as in Care Bear. I mean rationale, sensible and not insane. He has reasons for what he's doing beyond vengeance, and Robin symbolises those reasons.

[DOO BEE]

all my creations resemble my age i love teen heroes, teen vigilantes but robin just seems camp to me, if nolan brings robin i would want a dark and serious story and i only want robin for a one movie deal, he should have a story like a kid who admires batman so much he tries to go out and avenge his parents death but is told by batman not to he does anyway almost saves the day but die and batman is all kick ass hard and heavey, i like that story.

[GL1]

all my creations resemble my age i love teen heroes, teen vigilantes but robin just seems camp to me, if nolan brings robin i would want a dark and serious story and i only want robin for a one movie deal, he should have a story like a kid who admires batman so much he tries to go out and avenge his parents death but is told by batman not to he does anyway almost saves the day but die and batman is all kick ass hard and heavey, i like that story.

Hmmm... it kinda goes without saying that any Nolan Robin will be dark and reserved (and un-camp)

I don't like your story though... but I understand your thinking it needs to be changed in order to be uncamped...

Circus... easily darkedned/uncamped...
Parents death scene... easily darkened/uncamped
Adoption... eh... you can't avoid a slight hint of compassion or mercy there, but it can be as dreary as you like
Training... automatically darkened, easily uncamped
Swearing In... you can't get anymore somber or serious
Costume... Easiliy Darkened... see Superscar's stuff in the "Future characters" thread
Dialogue... You can be funny without being light... creepy kids rock, btw...
Action... Who says he needs to fight? Robin is basically Batman's gopher/runner... no camp necessary...

You could have the Robin-dies storyline, but I don't see any need... just like you don't need to give Batman powers to make him more realistically able to kick 30+ goons behinds...

[raybia]

Hmmm... it kinda goes without saying that any Nolan Robin will be dark and reserved (and un-camp)

I don't like your story though... but I understand your thinking it needs to be changed in order to be uncamped...

Circus... easily darkedned/uncamped...
Parents death scene... easily darkened/uncamped
Adoption... eh... you can't avoid a slight hint of compassion or mercy there, but it can be as dreary as you like
Training... automatically darkened, easily uncamped
Swearing In... you can't get anymore somber or serious
Costume... Easiliy Darkened... see Superscar's stuff in the "Future characters" thread
Dialogue... You can be funny without being light... creepy kids rock, btw...
Action... Who says he needs to fight? Robin is basically Batman's gopher/runner... no camp necessary...

You could have the Robin-dies storyline, but I don't see any need... just like you don't need to give Batman powers to make him more realistically able to kick 30+ goons behinds...

Great points. Like I said earlier, the template for the Wayne/Grayson, Batman/Robin relationship should be a combination of both Road to Perdition and Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom. There can be some lightheartedness between Bruce and Dick from time to time but keep it dark and keep it realistic. Don't have Robin engage with alot of fighting and when he does make him a somewhat formidable opponent (against common thugs) but not so great that he is essentially just a miniature Batman that is unrealisticly untouchable. He should be used manly for recon work and stays in the shadows, and have more of a Oracle role.

His main purpose in the movie though should be for greater characterization. of Bruce Wayne. Total screen time should be limited to no more than half the movie as Dick Grayson and no more than 1/4 of the movie as Robin.

[Riven]

The ONLY downside to having no Robin in Begins and most likely not one in the sequel either is that you guys are gonna keep suggesting names until at least 2009, hopefully til kingdom come...

[raybia]

Let me just again mention that I don't have a hard on to have Robin in this series. I think there are PLENTY of stories that can be told without needing Robin included. My suggestions are if and only if WB decides to include the character.

I think doing so would highly jepordize the series.

[ironmaidenrules]

Who do you want for Robin?


dick grayson
jason todd(i so need to see him die on screen)
tim drake


you only gotta cast dick grayson and tim

jason can be any little **** since he'll die at the end of beginning of the film and ur supposed to be annoyed by him....shame we are getting too close to the jokers

for that reason i say no robin

batman went find for many years without a sidekick

[vibeke_T]

if ya need an actor to stand up to Bale and Michael Cain on screen its got to be Jamie Bell, then again it all depends on the script , for those of you worried about his age sure he can play a younger version of Robin just like Bale did with Batman,.

http://www.bfca.org/images/photos/jamiebell.jpg

PLUS I'M SURE BALE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH HIM SINCE THEY SHARE SOMETHING IN COMMON

He's the only second actor ever to be awarded Outstanding Performance by a Young Actor from the National Board of Review, USA. The first was fellow Brit Christian Bale in 1987 (titled Outstanding Juvenile Performance then).



yeah, it should be jamie bell

[chosen1]

If there were going to be a robin in this franchise of batman I would pick for the role Joshua jackson. Now as for robins role in the movie sequel. He would be in costume for a very brief moment. Bruce training him. them fighting crime for a time and at the end of the movie have robin not like the way bruce is fighting crime and end the end of the movie leave batman and quit as robin. To then become nightwing. Its kind of hard to understand but to illustrate this perfectly Look up the Batman superman episode Old wounds. They should have the story go as close to that as they possibly can. please read the story of that episode. and then tell me if you think modifications should be applied or if its a good idea or not.






" The king stay the king." -- D'angelo
THE WIRE SEASON ONE

[Motown Marvel]

Evan Peters (just straighten his hair out):
http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/272/1/77-41712-sm.jpg

[chirs00]

I really think that the character could be added into the series a ways down the line and still maintain an air of realism. He could represent how Bruce might have wound up if he didn't have the safety net of money and support. What if he were to be a little more angry than just spunky? What if he were on the verge of becoming a villain or a threat to Batman?

[raybia]

Best reason not to have Robin:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/JusticePlagueofAmerica.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:[/QUOTE]

[BatJeff7786]

Robin should be played by this really good actor that I've found. He's an unknown, and his name is Thin Air. He's such a good actor that he doesn't even need to speak, or be seen on camera. Trust me this guy is gonna be good.

[aquiles]

i really think batman is a lot better without robin
i really think that robin should NOT be included

[damiandc]

Best reason not to have Robin:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/JusticePlagueofAmerica.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:[/QUOTE]


BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deDIKnight]

NO ROBIN NO WAY - NIGHTWING? HMMMMM

Robin's been done and badly - it killed the franchise first time round
Barbara or cassandra cain for batgirl sex appeal sure and have someone cookie but cool - Alyson hannigan for babs or Kristin Kreuk for cassandra

I think it would fit in well with the dark tone of the series if they skipped over Robin's Era and told it in flash back with an embittered NIGHTWING

Now that would be a good story and you have a foil and "equal" for batman

Skeet Ulrich (scream) could've don justice to Nightwing once upon a time

Yeah if your gonna have Dick Grayson AT ALL I'd like to see NIGHTWING
Maybe after a Knightfallesque storyline where Nightwing has to come back to help bruce - hmmmmmm

[GL1]

Honestly... if you're going to do ANYTHING with a young Batman, it'd have to be a young Robin (Dick), or a young Batgirl (Barbara) remember... this is Batman BEGINS, not "Batman's been around for years"

[Boss]

I like this li'l fella;

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg ;)

[chirs00]

I have to ask the question. Why do people that refuse to discuss the possibility of Robin at some point being in a later film go to a message board thread where that is the topic?

[Boss]

To express our opinion. the hate is too big to be left out :o

[chirs00]

You're entitled. Just seems like there are a few that seek out adversity.

[ganstaman56]

Robin isnt gonna be in any of the sequals and to prove it i've got this.
(i got this off Wikipedia)

Nolan has stated that Robin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28comics%29) will not be in any of the sequels, likely because his apperances in the two films of the Joel Schumacher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Schumacher) continuity were considered to be a factor in the franchise's decline, although Nolan has stated the reason is "at the time we are portraying Batman (in his early twenties), Dick Grayson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson) is a little boy at this point."

[StorminNorman]

I like Shia Lebouf IF he can pull off a 16-17 year old, which I beleve he could.

[The Last Meatbag]

A perfect kid from a couple of years ago would have been Emile Hirsch........yes the kid from The Girl Next Door

Around the time he was in The Emperor's Club would have been perfect, his attitude is just like Dick pre-Robin

here's his Imdb profile
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0386472/

[batmaluco]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i258/batmaluco3/mad_robin3222_a_full.jpg

[The Last Meatbag]

My humble findings:

Duane Carnahan: http://www.stuntkids.com/home.asp?page=resume&id=49
This kid is interesting... he's got actual circus acts in his background, he's far more athletic than what I've seen before... he's a little old (almost fourteen already...) but he seems like an interesting pick

.

Jesus Christ, this kid is a real life Robin :o

[StorminNorman]

Robin isnt gonna be in any of the sequals and to prove it i've got this.
(i got this off Wikipedia)

Nolan has stated that Robin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28comics%29) will not be in any of the sequels, likely because his apperances in the two films of the Joel Schumacher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Schumacher) continuity were considered to be a factor in the franchise's decline, although Nolan has stated the reason is "at the time we are portraying Batman (in his early twenties), Dick Grayson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson) is a little boy at this point."

LOL you fail :down

Just because Nolan said he would not be in the sequel does not mean he wont be in any sequels. Dick Grayson should be young when he is introduced (around 14-17 ), so if Grayson is a kid right now it proves 2 things. 1) Dick Grayson IS infact in the Batman universe, and 2) He is alive and well right now. Depending on how long a time span the next sequel takes, we could see Dick Grayson (if not Robin) anywhere from late 3rd movie, to 4th

[ganstaman56]

LOL you fail :down

Just because Nolan said he would not be in the sequel does not mean he wont be in any sequels. Dick Grayson should be young when he is introduced (around 14-17 ), so if Grayson is a kid right now it proves 2 things. 1) Dick Grayson IS infact in the Batman universe, and 2) He is alive and well right now. Depending on how long a time span the next sequel takes, we could see Dick Grayson (if not Robin) anywhere from late 3rd movie, to 4thnope he's the guy who runs the show i seriously doubt he would lie about something like this.

[StorminNorman]

nope he's the guy who runs the show i seriously doubt he would lie about this.

Did I accuse Mr. Nolan of lying? No - infact I used his quote to my benefit. Nolan clearly states that Dick Grayson is a young boy at this time, that means Dick Grayson does infact exist in this universe.

[ganstaman56]

and besides i think a little boy running around with a dark menacing figure wont fit the whole dark serious movie thing.

i mean a big full grown man running around with a young boy.....geez......didnt know he was catholic!!!

[ganstaman56]

Did I accuse Mr. Nolan of lying? No - infact I used his quote to my benefit. Nolan clearly states that Dick Grayson is a young boy at this time, that means Dick Grayson does infact exist in this universe.but that doesnt mean he will become robin!!!

[Two-Face]

Dick Grayson does infact exist in this univers


But doesn't have to appear in the film.

[StorminNorman]

but that doesnt mean he will become robin!!!

Why would Dick Grayson exist if there would be no Robin?

[StorminNorman]

But doesn't have to appear in the film.

If they could make a Nightwing film worth WITHOUT him being the Boy Wonder in a pervious life, then they should give it a try. I dont see that happening though.

My Dream Batplan:
1: Batman Begins - solo Bat
2: BB2 - Bat w/Gordon and Dent
3: BB3 - Dent scarred, Bat pushes away everyone, Dick Grayson arrives
4: BB4 - Batman and Robin/Gordon/Orical
5: BB5 - Batman/Orical - Grayson and Bats part way - ends with discovery of Jason Todd
6: BB6 - Jason Todd's death

[StorminNorman]

and besides i think a little boy running around with a dark menacing figure wont fit the whole dark serious movie thing.

i mean a big full grown man running around with a young boy.....geez......didnt know he was catholic!!!

A Dark 16-17 year old works well, he would be used more as a scout than as an actual fighter. He should be able to take out a goon or two - but not a match for any real villians.

That catholic joke was uncalled for, I am not even Catholic and I find it offensive.

[cerealkiller182]

if anyone probably, i would want, Scott Mechlowicz (Mean Creek, Euro Trip)

http://au.i1.yimg.com/movies.aunz.yimg.com/2005/photos/main/38198.jpg

but i doubt Robin will ever be in the movies. I am very torn on whether I want him to be in or not. A lot of people have very valid opposition to him saying he will mess with the tone. But i saw Robin as such a pinnacle part of the Batman mythos that he is needed to keep Batman from falling off the edge. Although he doesnt seem anywhere near the edge so far.

[Spider - Man]

Why would Dick Grayson exist if there would be no Robin?

I take his statement to mean that in the context of the history of Batman, at the current age of the character in the BB movie, Dick Grayson is just a kid. I didn't hear him say he didn't exist, just that in the movies he makes, Dick will still be just a kid. Remember, even though sequels may be released 2-3 yrs apart in real world time, that doesn't mean that that's how much time passes for the character from one film to the next.

In short, if CN said Robin wouldn't be in his movies, I wouldn't bet money that he wasn't telling the truth.

[batmaluco]

In short, if CN said Robin wouldn't be in his movies, I wouldn't bet money that he wasn't telling the truth.
In Nolan We Trust! ;)

[hulkamania85]

i just saw a preview for a movie about knights or something and i saw Orlando Bloom.Now i don't know if i'm crazy but he looked like a good person to play Robin.what do you think?

I think one of the biggest flaws of the last movie Robin was that he was too old. He was unbelievable as a ward because he was like 25.

I say an unknown teenage actor.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If we're going for kid Robin than Jeremy Sumpter or Lucas Black.

If we're going for adult Robin than basically any young hardworking actor in Hollywood could give it a shot.

I however don't want to see some WB or "O.C." kid become Robin. Give me someone like Ryan Phillipe or somebody like that who looks young, but can play older.

[Ox Elf]

If we're going for kid Robin than Jeremy Sumpter or Lucas Black.

If we're going for adult Robin than basically any young hardworking actor in Hollywood could give it a shot.

I however don't want to see some WB or "O.C." kid become Robin. Give me someone like Ryan Phillipe or somebody like that who looks young, but can play older.
You say "OC Kid" like its a bad thing, but Ben McKenzie is definitely superhero material. Not Robin, though. Robin should be 14.

[maxmccumber]

Nolan has stated clearly that Robin will not be in any of the next films as long as he directs. By now, its pretty clear why:
- This franchise reboot is about a young Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Robin was in diapers at the time.
- Introducing him in the last two Burton/Schumacher installments ultimately killed the series by making it too campy. The last thing anyone involved with Bat films wants is more of the same filmmaking style oriented towards little kids.

[ragdus]

Introducing Robin did NOT kill that last series of films. Joel Schumacher's warped view of the batman universe did. I was more offended by the blacklight neon gangs than anything Chris O'Donnell ever did as Robin.

While I'm not advocating the introduction of Robin any time soon, if at all, in this series of films, there's no reason a skilled team like the one currently in place couldn't introduce the character and still maintain the same tone and feel that made BB a great movie. It can easily be done right if the decision is made to go that route.

[chosen1]

To express our opinion. the hate is too big to be left out :o

Hate leads to suffering.

[iamcolossus]

James Vander Geek....totally Robin

[Fred_Fury]

robin is annoying and just drags batman down. screw robin, keep his gay ass away from the batman series.

[boywondernerdDC]

No Robin.Period.

To me, he is the OLNY weakness the Dark knight posesses

except you know.... bullets

[Image]

Someone cute and boyish, but still with a dark side... Hmmm... Hayden Christensen anyone?

Oh hell no!

[Ongie]

My choices for Robin...

Wes Bentley

http://actors.pick2web.com/pics/990717/wesbentley.jpg


Lou Taylor Pucci

http://i.timeinc.net/teenpeople/images/2005/gallery/080505_pucci300.jpg


and Emile Hirsch

http://www.celebopedia.com/emile-hirsch/images/emile-hirsch.jpg

Thoughts anyone?

[GL1]

from earlier in the thread...

My humble findings:

Duane Carnahan: http://www.stuntkids.com/home.asp?page=resume&id=49
This kid is interesting... he's got actual circus acts in his background, he's far more athletic than what I've seen before... he's a little old (almost fourteen already...) but he seems like an interesting pick

Freddie Highmore: http://www.youngstarnews.com/news/041121-001-highmore.htm
Finding Neverland's little boy and the new Charlie (and the Choc Factory)... pretty good with the kid stuff, though perhaps his innocent exuberant roles don't get you, they do show an intense acting skill (critic's choice best actor), he's tweleve, I believe...

Cameron Blight: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1080974/
The little boy from "Birth," convincing as a thirty year old man... not bad indeed... also played young Tommy in "Butterfly Effect"... a bit darker filmography, a very grayson-esque look... my pick honestly... just get a good stuntman...

All of these kids have heavy acting chops and more than their fair share of darkness ability... I think any of them would make a kick-tail Rich Grayson boy wonder... though of course, they would have to cut the camp from Robin's character design just as they did for Batman, Scarecrow and any other costumed character in the Batman universe...

EDIT:
And something about Soren Fulton's http://www.risingstar.to/sfulton.html range and look and bale-ness gets me... I think he'd make a kick-tail Grayson as well... I've seen him overact just a bit, but he's young, perhaps he'll over come it in a couple years, but his range of expression is pretty great for a kid so young...

Cameron Bright was Leech in X-Men 3...

[Eggyman]

nobody!

[Ongie]

nobody!

haha... That wouldn't bother me!

[Mr.Dent]

I don't think Robin should be used in the Nolanverse, but if he is it should be done VERY carefully.
I used to REALLY hate Robin, but Dark Victory won me over. I like Grayson and Drake, it's the other 3000 I'm not cool with. :O

[GL1]

I don't think Robin should be used in the Nolanverse, but if he is it should be done VERY carefully.
I used to REALLY hate Robin, but Dark Victory won me over. I like Grayson and Drake, it's the other 3000 I'm not cool with. :O

Yeah, once people read the comics the light bulb goes off and they like Robin as a supporting character. All the "No Robin" and "I don't think he fits" people usually don't know anything about the character beyond the Schumacker version...

[Lobster Charlie]

Robin will never be in the Nolan Batman films.

[Spider-Fan83]

not, that i think robin sould be in any of of hte movies. but, ok, if your just want a young Dick Grayson cameo, or what not, i'd say Hunter Gomez
http://f5.putfile.com/6/17620394779.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[Batjosh]

Actually a 14 year old is a teenager and it depends on the 14 year old. I know one who is 5'8 170 pounds.

I for one don't think Robin would work in Nolan's Batman series. Even if Nolan does not return, WB will not change the "realism" theme if BB is a huge hit.

If WB insisted on having Robin in the series then I would introduce Dick Grayson in the third sequel but NOT have him appear as Robin. I would portray his character as heading in the same direction as Bruce did when he was first faced with tragedy. Bruce recognizing this, intervenes in the boy's life and trys to vent Dick's rage for vengence by offering him some limited training. This training would not be for the purpose of becoming Batman's partner or sidekick but of course due to circumstances that is what eventually happens...in the next installment. Their relationship is portrayed as Father and son and as a mentor. Perhaps when Dick is introduced, he unwittingly becomes involves in the bigger context of the movie (think Road of Perdition) where he gets the opportunity to show some of his potential (skills of deduction rather than physical skill) based on what Bruce has taught him to that point. By the end of the movie Dick trys to convince Bruce to train him hardcore for the purpose of becoming his partner. Bruce agrees to train him but only for use in a backup role. Each movie shows him progressing more and more (like in the Harry Potter movies) in his skills and becoming more of an asset to Batman. However not all should be hunky doery. The writer should also demostrate (at least at first) how much of a liability it is having a minor as a partner.

In the next movie. You introduce Dick as Robin and he being used for surveillence when Batman is on patrol, but is instructed to never engage the enemy (of course this doesn't last long, either out of necessity or immaturity or a combination of both)This movie should demostrate how far Dick has progressed in both his training and maturity level (Kind of like Luke from SW to Empire)

I'm pretty hardcore into this kind of role. Personally, I wouldn't really like to see Robin for awhile and I wouldn't be unhappy if he never showed up. However, if Dick Grayson (not as Robin) is introduced into the franchise in some sort of supporting role then I wouldn't have anything against the idea at all.

If any of you have read The Forensic Files of Batman, I think that would be the best way to go.

Does anyone here agree?

[Nightwing92]

Ya i agree.... but i doubt it that they would make him a supporting role not as robin.....

[Mr.Dent]

If any of you have read The Forensic Files of Batman, I think that would be the best way to go.

Does anyone here agree?

Oh yeah, that would be sweet:up: When I read that, I got that "OOOoooOOOoo" feeling :up::)

[kg576094]

no Robin or Batwoman

[Mysterio]

no one. for the love of god, no one. forget he ever existed.

[ghost113]

If, and I mean if Robin Had to be in then the brother from lemony snicket.

[bat89]

I really don't want to see Robin, but if I had to I rather it be a girl.

[Eros]

i can't see movie Bruce Wayne letting a teenager boy help him fight crime.But you probbaly won't see a robin for many years, when Christopher Bale and Chris Nolan are no longer attached to the moives.

[ReptileOrion]

Robin does not need to be in the new Batman films.

[GL1]

Ah, the old arguements... lets give em the old answers, eh?

Robin does not need to be in the new Batman films.

Neither does Joker... what's your point?

i can't see movie Bruce Wayne letting a teenager boy help him fight crime.But you probbaly won't see a robin for many years, when Christopher Bale and Chris Nolan are no longer attached to the moives.

But you can see him letting police officer's drive his batmobile? And District Attorney's running cures willy nilly? You'd rather see every supporting cast member know Bruce's secret instead of Batman having his runner/gopher from the comics taking care of the little stuff?

I really don't want to see Robin, but if I had to I rather it be a girl.

Wow... that's a new one... why?

[sickining]

I'm not a big fan of Robin, I've always believed that Bats should be solo. And Christopher Nolan himself said as long as he's in charge there will be NO Robin.

[Two-Face]

Ah, the old arguements... lets give em the old answers, eh?



Neither does Joker... what's your point?



But you can see him letting police officer's drive his batmobile? And District Attorney's running cures willy nilly? You'd rather see every supporting cast member know Bruce's secret instead of Batman having his runner/gopher from the comics taking care of the little stuff?



Wow... that's a new one... why?

Give it a rest, nobody wants Robin in Nolan Batman films, long as he's charge I doubt Nolan would use him.

[Stealth_Prime]

Why doesn't DC-Warner Brothers just produce the "GRAYSON" movie that came out as a teaser by a fan?

[Two-Face]

Straight to DVD could be cool.

[thestrongestone]

When Robin comes into this new series of films you will know that it has jumped the f$cking shark.
"Why bats Master Wayne?"
"They scared me as a child. I want my enemies to share my fear......and a 14 year old boy sidekick in a gay costume would really come in handy don't you think?"
"I quit sir."
hh
Don't worry. While Nolan is directing there will never be a Robin in these movies.

[GL1]

Give it a rest, nobody wants Robin in Nolan Batman films, long as he's charge I doubt Nolan would use him.

Correction: Nobody wants Camp in Nolan Batman films... most people, not reading the comics or understanding how movies are conceptualized, equate Robin with camp. If they knew what they were talking about, they'd be more specific.

Nolan has stated several things about Robin, notably that Robin's probably in a crib somewhere, showing that he, like many others, is unfamiliar with the Robin character and his place in Batman's mythos, and you won't learn it from Dark Victory either.

Furthermore, Nolan is not afriad to put little boys in red shirts as significant supporting characters or have people who have no business doing so, taking out thugs, driving the Batmobile and solving mysteries (Alfred, Gordon and Rachel respectively)... Robin's already in Begins, his role is just spread out between different people...

I do give it a rest often, btw, but every once in a while, I show up to put light to abject ignorance on certain characters and issues, in this case, Robin, and his relationship with the camp that has plagued Batman.

That said, a straight to DVD movie would be cool, but I don't see why they can't have a decent winter release on an off-Batman year.

and a 14 year old boy sidekick in a gay costume would really come in handy don't you think?"

So don't make him a sidekick and don't put him in a gay costume. Problem solved.

[thorstone]

No boys in skirts...Stephanie Brown however.

http://data1.blog.de/blog/g/gothamknights/img/sb.jpg

[GL1]

No boys in skirts...Stephanie Brown however.

http://data1.blog.de/blog/g/gothamknights/img/sb.jpg

I'm confused, why can't a boy Robin wear pants like he has for the last twenty years? And why would a girl be better?

[thorstone]

I'm confused, why can't a boy Robin wear pants like he has for the last twenty years? And why would a girl be better?

I was suggesting I'd take her pants off and turn up the sex on the character.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

No boys in skirts...Stephanie Brown however.

http://data1.blog.de/blog/g/gothamknights/img/sb.jpg

That Penguin is cool. That Robin is pretty hot, but Robin should either be Dick Grayson followed by Jason Todd or Tim Drake taking the mantle or just no Robin period.

[Joker]

I'd like to have the invisible man as robin, because I dont want to see robin in this franchise :o

[GL1]

Ever get the feeling people aren't reading the thread?

I was suggesting I'd take her pants off and turn up the sex on the character.

Oh... heh. :)

[casketmouth]

I can't forsee Robin being in any of the new Batman films. If Robin is going to be on the big screen again, it will be in his own movie.

In Nolan's world there should be no other costumed freak, honestly not even cat woman.

[GL1]

In Nolan's world there should be no other costumed freak, honestly not even cat woman.

Awww... you didn't see Scarecrow... :O

[FVD]

No Robin at all. But what I wouldn't mind seeing is a young Dick Grayson character who Bruce can care for throughout his childhood following the tragic deaths of his family. Just a little nod nothing more. But we don't need to see Robin. But if we could have a Robin like in the Animated Series then that'll be a Robin I'd want in the movie. No lame Holy Rusted Metal crap....ever.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Has to be an unknown kid with a circus or gymnastic background. It should definitely be a father/son dynamic between Bruce and Dick.

[heypapajinx]

that kid from the first one. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/heypapajinx/jack.jpg maybe Bruce feels so bad for him he takes him in. that way he's too young to do anything and can't get in the way but there can be that hint that in the future he is going to become Robin. that's if Robin ABSOLUTELY MUST be in any of the movies... which i hope to hell he isn't.

[GL1]

The movies aren't an absolute must? I really don't understand this concept of manditory entertainment...

Regardless, the kid from the first one should be forgotten, quite normally, any kid that comes to live with Bruce should be Dick Grayson and have a circus background. There's no reason to botch up a great character. And they should (assuming we're staying true to the comics) be a supporting character, like Alfred, Gordon and Fox, and offer just as much help towards Batman's crimefighting.

[Stealth_Prime]

You know that's too bad everyone is so down on a kid side-kick....everyone is so against it...when a few think that Batman just isn't a "Batman" without a Robin. The personification of Balance. For every dark, there has to be light. For every bat, there's a bird.
Everyone is always assuming there's going to be some kind of homo thing going on...when in actually it's just a stranger takes in an orphan...and becomes father and son.
For some of us who never had fathers, sometimes the people who took care of us are the next best thing...to a father.
Sorry, if this is a bit out of sorts, its just my brother and I, well Robin helped us get through some pretty hard sh%t, he was our hero, someone to hold on to hope....and we got through...i'd hate for his children to be without a similar hero.
So if everyone doesn't like Robin being a boy, why not have the next 'partner'--not sidekick, but partner...closer to Batman's age?
Grayson the fanfilm is a good starting off point.
Batman dies, avenging him is in the hands of Dick....who's already a grown man....

[Spideyfan01]

I like Robin. IN THE COMICS! Batman forever wasn't that great, and Batman and Robin sucked! No Robin in any more Batman movies!

[FaT_tONle]

I think I wouldn't mind a cameo though... a son who gets tied up with the mob in the third... maybe Rupert Thorne or Marone has his family killed and Bruce looks after the boy... that's it... no Robin... you know that ***** can work...

[Gotendbz-2]

not, that i think robin sould be in any of of hte movies. but, ok, if your just want a young Dick Grayson cameo, or what not, i'd say Hunter Gomez
http://f5.putfile.com/6/17620394779.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

Thats a really good choice, along with ear-boy over there he's the best choice so far, I could see him as a good Tim Drake and Jamie Bell (A.K.A Ear-Boy) as Dick Grayson. And as for the Scott Manchowhatshisname suggestion, he has too many chest hairs and looks too dorky.

[Gotendbz-2]

Eventually robin is going to show up. You can't simply ignore the character, and what's more if it is executed well, unlike the crapfest in the last two films, there will be nothing to complain about. Robin is batman's concious, the balance that at times reminds Bruce what he's fighting for. If you never want the character to develop that's great and all but for me at least that's the point of the story.


Courtesy of Super Scar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/rob.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/robin.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/bgr2.jpg

Now these are just plain awesome! I could see the second picture as Tim Drake and the third picture as Dick Grayson! The one with the goggles inspired me to draw a picture based on it! This is how I want Robin to look!!


P.S. And I want him to be flexible, unlike Batman I want him to be able to jump around and swing thru hoops since he is an acrobat, no more 13 inch rubber suits!

[XCharlieX]

Who do you want for Robin?

An empty space lol

[El Payaso]

That Penguin is cool. That Robin is pretty hot, but Robin should either be Dick Grayson followed by Jason Todd or Tim Drake taking the mantle or just no Robin period.

Yes, zero Robin is better than 3 of them.

[DGrayson]

I think the robin costume should look more like jim lee's version of all star batman and robin. I mean the one with the hood on the cape. He should be Dick Grayson played by a unkown actor in his late teens or early twenties. He should be aged 16-17 years old in the movies and have the circus background.

This should happen in the third movie. Nolan's gotta face it Robin is a big part of the batman mythos, he was there almost since the beggining and there should be no other robin I always thought the robin mantle should have died with jason so if there's a second robin it should be him no tim drake at all in the movie verse.

I think it's clear some fans hate the character, Nolan hates him too and Batman looks darker on his won but it's like Grant Morrison said: While he is a big part of the mythos you don't want him there all the time. So robin should have like 30 screen minutes.