"By The Goddess": The Official Storm/Halle Berry Discussion

[Slim_X]

I think the only reason i forgave Halle for doing Catwoman was that she accepted it was a crappy movie and that she would never do anything like that again.

I hope she wins the Emmy. :)

[the a1ant]

She gained a lot of respect for showing up at the Razzie (SP?) awards to accept the fact that Catwoman was a failure. It was a very classy move. Me personally, I look at Catwoman as a corny, tongue-in-cheek film. It's not very good, but there are some ridiculous parts that are fun. It just needed a better script/costume/director :p

[Mr. Bleek]

hope she's in the movie

[the a1ant]

^she is :)

[Electrix]

^she is :)

I thought her ego was too big to come back. I thought she hated Storm. I thought she wanted the movie to be about her.

:D

[Mr Sensitive]

Give me a list of very weak actors who've won Oscars..
-TNC

Here goes a small, incomplete and more recent list of movies and actors and actresses that did nothing that deserved an Oscar, TNC: Halle Berry, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Kevin Kline, Marisa Tomei, Shakespeare in Love, Nicolas Cage, Julia Roberts, Gladiator, Gwyneth Paltrow, Roberto Benigni, Dances with Wolves, Cher, Michael Douglas, Titanic, the cinematography of The Aviator, that ridiculously won this year over the House of Flying Daggers.


Not to mention small unfair awardings. To give you only one example, again of this present year: they thought they couldn’t give another statuette to John Williams, but that was what he deserved for the brillant accomplishment of last Harry Potter’s movie, in which he combined the style of Renaissance dance songs and traditional classic score in a unique achievement. Finding Neverland is just a common score, and it won.

There are many similar cases.

And Lightning: maybe you can find some jealous people or with personal dislikes with Berry. But there are also people here who gave good arguments on why Berry is a bad actress. :xmen:

[JP]

Here goes a small, incomplete and more recent list of movies and actors and actresses that did nothing that deserved an Oscar, TNC: Halle Berry, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Kevin Kline, Marisa Tomei, Shakespeare in Love, Nicolas Cage, Julia Roberts, Gladiator, Gwyneth Paltrow, Roberto Benigni, Dances with Wolves, Cher, Michael Douglas, Titanic, the cinematography of The Aviator, that ridiculously won this year over the House of Flying Daggers.



;) :up:

[CASHMERE]

Why is Julia Roberts in that List:o ? I find it Outrageous that an average Joe like yourself with absolutely no acting experience, had the nerve to question Julia Roberts', the highest paid woman in hollywood btw, acting chops for winning an Oscar. That is obviously a biased opinion not a fact.

[Slim_X]

I think Julia is a good actress but she has the same problem as Halle... a lot of people hate her for being rich, popular and pretty.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Here goes a small, incomplete and more recent list of movies and actors and actresses that did nothing that deserved an Oscar, TNC: Halle Berry, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Kevin Kline, Marisa Tomei, Shakespeare in Love, Nicolas Cage, Julia Roberts, Gladiator, Gwyneth Paltrow, Roberto Benigni, Dances with Wolves, Cher, Michael Douglas, Titanic, the cinematography of The Aviator, that ridiculously won this year over the House of Flying Daggers.:


^^^ Is this list compiled somewhere or based on your personal opinion?



And Lightning: maybe you can find some jealous people or with personal dislikes with Berry. But there are also people here who gave good arguments on why Berry is a bad actress. :xmen:

There are also many who apparently can give equally good arguements as to why she is an excellent actress. She's an A-Lister and she certainly didn't get there on her looks alone.

[CASHMERE]

I think Julia is a good actress but she has the same problem as Halle... a lot of people hate her for being rich, popular and pretty.

Who are these supposed "people"? little communities in the Internet?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Who are these supposed "people"? little communities in the Internet?

Yes, we're talking about the Oompa Loompas here. :eek:

[Slim_X]

Who are these supposed "people"? little communities in the Internet?
Nope just..random people I guess :confused: including Internet people.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^^^^

Hmmmmn, well apparently they are nowhere to be found when these actors blockbuster films crush the box office. I mean, who really is buying all those golden tickets? :rolleyes:

[Slim_X]

^^^^

Hmmmmn, well apparently they are nowhere to be found when these actors blockbuster films crush the box office. I mean, who really is buying all those golden tickets? :rolleyes:
Are you with or against me? :p

[JP]

I like the old Julia Roberts. She used to be able to act. Not any more. Every role I see her in now, she seems to be the same person. She needs to bring character to her roles. I loved the movie Closer, but Julia was one of the movies down points.

[Ballistic Liz]

I think Julia is a good actress but she has the same problem as Halle... a lot of people hate her for being rich, popular and pretty.

Na I hate Julia for a whole other stupid reason, but the hate was been there for over a decade so I can't just give up on it now.

Berry, no real hate or love, more meh.

I hope they don't make her role that much bigger just because she complained.

*way better yes, just not way bigger*

[EnSabahNur]

Yes julia roberts can not act lol... well nothing ive seen latly atleast...

[Slim_X]

I hope they don't make her role that much bigger just because she complained.

*way better yes, just not way bigger*
I wouldn't like her to have a very big role, just very well written.

[Ballistic Liz]

And a make out or more session with Wolverine would make me puke.... ok maybe just a little puke, like in my month then swallow it again puke. *LOL*

[GNR]

Just thought of something.Considering Halle isn't going to be doing anymore X-Men movies after the 3rd,one would think her character would have some sort of closure in the ending,besides dying.Let's say the Morlocks are in X3.What would you guys think if Storm decides to leave the X-Men and becomes(or is appointed) the leader of the Morlocks???Just like she almost did in the cartoon,not sure if it happened in the comics.IMO,I think that would be a cool way to see Storm go instead of killing her off or just having her absent in future X-Men movies.

[Slim_X]

Just thought of something.Considering Halle isn't going to be doing anymore X-Men movies after the 3rd,one would think her character would have some sort of closure in the ending,besides dying.Let's say the Morlocks are in X3.What would you guys think if Storm decides to leave the X-Men and becomes(or is appointed) the leader of the Morlocks???Just like she almost did in the cartoon,not sure if it happened in the comics.IMO,I think that would be a cool way to see Storm go instead of killing her off or just having her absent in future X-Men movies.
That'd be cool..but sad lol... poor Storm living in the sewers :(. Maybe she could go to Africa.

[Ballistic Liz]

Just thought of something.Considering Halle isn't going to be doing anymore X-Men movies after the 3rd,one would think her character would have some sort of closure in the ending,besides dying.Let's say the Morlocks are in X3.What would you guys think if Storm decides to leave the X-Men and becomes(or is appointed) the leader of the Morlocks???Just like she almost did in the cartoon,not sure if it happened in the comics.IMO,I think that would be a cool way to see Storm go instead of killing her off or just having her absent in future X-Men movies.

She did become leader of the morlocks in the comics... didn't really do much about it. It was mostly during her mohawk faze.

During the Morlock massicare she felt extra guilty for not being there for them... some one the morlocks said mean things to her about being their leader but caring more about being with the pretty X-Men than with them.

[TNC9852002]

I hope they don't make her role that much bigger just because she complained.
Is it that you think she complained or that you just didn't feel that she needed to take a stand against the writing of her character?

-TNC

[Mr Sensitive]

Why is Julia Roberts in that List:o ? I find it Outrageous that an average Joe like yourself with absolutely no acting experience, had the nerve to question Julia Roberts', the highest paid woman in hollywood btw, acting chops for winning an Oscar. That is obviously a biased opinion not a fact.

He he he. With all due respect, Cashmere, you don't know who I am. Don't assume things.

By the way: "the highest paid" part isn't an argument is it, CASHmere? :)

Bill Gates is über rich, for instance.

[Ballistic Liz]

Is it that you think she complained or that you just didn't feel that she needed to take a stand against the writing of her character?

-TNC

I was mildly joking. I DO believe the character of Storm was done bad, but so was Cyclops and a few others. They can't change everything and make everyone happy. I still beleive Singer did a great job with what he had.:up:

[TNC9852002]

Yeah,..it's the development of Storm and Cyclops that I'm also looking forward to...

I'd like to see some more interaction between Storm and Xavier too..

-TNC

[Mr Sensitive]

^^^ Is this list compiled somewhere or based on your personal opinion?




There are also many who apparently can give equally good arguements as to why she is an excellent actress. She's an A-Lister and she certainly didn't get there on her looks alone.


Lightning,

To your question: personal evaluation, not opinion. Opinion is that trivial hate/love thing.

To the second part: you are right. As a principle, it is possible (you said "apparently"). But I, myself, have never seen it. I mean, any good arguments on her excellency.

Great actors leave no doubt.

Some of them even have the hallmark of genius: Marcello Mastroianni, Ian Mackellen, Jamie Foxx, Orson Welles, Liv Ullman, Catherine Deneuve, Robert De Niro, Gary Oldman, etc.

And: Storm is truly one of my favourite Marvel characters.

[GNR]

That'd be cool..but sad lol... poor Storm living in the sewers :(. Maybe she could go to Africa.


Yea,her going back to Africa could work as well.But if the Morlocks are in it,IMO,it would be cool to see her give up being a leader of the X-Men to help the sewer dwellers.It would work very well for her character and show how selfless Storm is.But Africa would be cool too.

[CASHMERE]

He he he. With all due respect, Cashmere, you don't know who I am. Don't assume things.

By the way: "the highest paid" part isn't an argument is it, CASHmere? :)

Bill Gates is über rich, for instance.

What's there to know? your no Enigma. Those who can act do, those who can't judge:) What does Bill Gates have to do with anything? anyways Julia Roberts didn't become the highest paid "ACTRESS" in Hollywood because she was such a lackluster, talentless hack, or for her average acting.

[Xfanfan]

One thing does not have to do with the other. Julia Roberts is a box office draw that is why she is paid that money. It does not have anything to do with talent. That is likes saying that Keanu Reeve is a excellent actor because he gets about 15 million dollar per movie and has starred in big blockbusters. Personally I feel Julia sounds and looks the same in most of her roles. At least Halle tries to play a different role, and even has tried to do different accents even though they have not always worked. Julia sounds the same in every movie I have seen her in and never understood what was the big deal. She has a nice personality or at least seems that way and that is why she is where she is.

Xfanfan

[JP]

Julia sounds and looks the same in most of her roles.


:up: :up:

[CASHMERE]

One thing does not have to do with the other. Julia Roberts is a box office draw that is why she is paid that money. It does not have anything to do with talent. That is likes saying that Keanu Reeve is a excellent actor because he gets about 15 million dollar per movie and has starred in big blockbusters. Personally I feel Julia sounds and looks the same in most of her roles. At least Halle tries to play a different role, and even has tried to do different accents even though they have not always worked. Julia sounds the same in every movie I have seen her in and never understood what was the big deal. She has a nice personality or at least seems that way and that is why she is where she is.

Xfanfan

Julia being a highest paid actress wasn't my only defense. But seeing that were on that facet of her career, she didn't become a huge box office draw because her acting sucks. She has talent, charm and other characteristics that make her a great actress in other words she's a package. Btw just because you TRY do different accents doesn't make you a good actress/actor. I don't know how different you can be from playing a Waitress - Hooker - Bride - Teacher - Photographer - Working Mom and the list goes on and on. Don't even go to that Route of her playing the same roles. That's just foolish:)

[TNC9852002]

BTW, Halle's accent in the deleted X-Men scenes were :up:

-TNC

[JP]

a Waitress - Hooker - Bride - Teacher - Photographer - Working Mom and the list goes on and on.

And in all those roles, she still feels like the same character. Every movie I see her in she's Julia. She acts the same in EVERY role.

[CASHMERE]

And in all those roles, she still feels like the same character. Every movie I see her in she's Julia. She acts the same in EVERY role.

So does Angelina Jolie.

[JP]

And that is very true aswell.

[Mr Sensitive]

What's there to know? your no Enigma. Those who can act do, those who can't judge:) What does Bill Gates have to do with anything? anyways Julia Roberts didn't become the highest paid "ACTRESS" in Hollywood because she was such a lackluster, talentless hack, or for her average acting.

Once again, Cash: you never know.

And the "those who can act" is just bravado. Bad actors are only in it for the money and the fame. You should have known better, carissimo.

You see: Jp has said that. Julia Roberts is the same in every thing she does. Your counter argument was: "So does Angelina Jolie".

You hit the jackpot, Cash.

That is what I was trying to say.

[Handyman]

so, back to halle, i wonder if theyre going to do anything different to the costume/hair - i hope they dont deviate too much from the last film as i think it was pretty spot on if you ask me.what do you guys think?

also, i want to see them put the lightning back into her hair as i thought that was a really cool look which was missing from x2.who knows...

on a side note, im not sure whether the whole wolverine relationship is a great idea - will it happen during the movie or will it have already begun by the time the movie picks up?

[gap5ewl]

yeah i really like the lightning in the hair in x1 and in her eyes it looked awesome i hope thats in the films

[ManX07]

she did have lightning in her hair look at the scene w/ her jean and nightcrawler

[Xfanfan]

Julia being a highest paid actress wasn't my only defense. But seeing that were on that facet of her career, she didn't become a huge box office draw because her acting sucks. She has talent, charm and other characteristics that make her a great actress in other words she's a package. Btw just because you TRY do different accents doesn't make you a good actress/actor. I don't know how different you can be from playing a Waitress - Hooker - Bride - Teacher - Photographer - Working Mom and the list goes on and on. Don't even go to that Route of her playing the same roles. That's just foolish:)

That is your opinion on Julia having talent. When it comes to defining who is talented, it's mostly subjective. As far as Julia having talent, she plays the same type of roles in most of her movies and sounds the same. Is like Julia Roberts playing herself. And you know what? doing accents adds a dept to your characterization and shows that your at least trying to become that character as suppose to just being yourself.

I believe Halle is a better actress than Julia because she pushes herself to do different roles and takes risks. Now those risk might not always work but at least she puts the effot. For instance in Monster ball she played a southern woman and at least attempted to sound sourthern. In the first X-men I really thought she did a good job with the Storm accent except for not been consistent with it. In Catwoman she sounded different also. Julia sounds like Julia in most of her movies like a stated before. That is the same reason a lot of people dont like Keany Reeves and say he sounds the same in every movie.

To me a actress or actor is suppose to become the character(that includes doing whatever accent the character may have), shoot if being yourself is what it takes to be a great actor then we all can do it.Again, Julia is known for her romantic comedies which is what she is mostly does and to me just staying in one genre does not show range. Julia has a nice warming welcoming personality(appearently), people like her and that is why she is mostly famous not because she is Jodie Foster or Meryll Streep or because she tries to push herself to play different roles.

Xfanfan

[god/devil]

Here's my two cents on Halle Berry's acting. She can act amazingly when she is playing dramatic roles such as monsters ball and she is really bad when she is trying to play to fun, gorgous girl a la 007 and Catwoman. In the X-men movies I think that during x-1 she was confused what sort of role she was playing I blame the direction and writing along with halle herself. In x-2 she played the role much more dramatically and it came across quiet strong in comparison to x-1. So I think she will continue to improve for x-3 with the right direction and writing.

Another theory I have on Halle is that she can be the best actress in the world only when she wants to. When she feels passionate about a movie or a certain telemovie, she gives unbelieveable performances. However I got the feeling that during films like catwoman and 007 and to a certain extent Goticka she was really only doing the films for the money and to further her own career. Basically she didn't give a **** about these movie. In the X-men francise, I felt that she was probably uncertain if she wanted to do them or not. In some scenes her acting was flawless(more x-2 than x-1) and in others she should of been ashammed. However in recent interview and tv appearances I get the impression that halle is looking forward to doing X-3 and feels more strongly about the character than ever.

So all in all I am really looking foreward to see her in X-3. Also I believe that she deserved the oscar and does deserve her emmy too.

[TNC9852002]

The last two posts were very interesting...

-TNC

[gap5ewl]

how the hell did julia roberts end up in here???

[Angry Sentinel]

how the hell did julia roberts end up in here??? I kept wondering that about the Erin Brocklovich story?? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Xfanfan]

Hi

Well I think is because someone feels that how much a actress makes has to do with her level of talent. Changing the subject, how long do you all think we have to wait before we start seeing production photos of the characters in the movie? Does anyone remember how long it took for us to see photos when X2 was filming? Hopefully we get something by next month.

Xfanfan

[the a1ant]

I don't even remember :( I do remember that the teaser website was up within the first couple months of production for X3. I think it was the first month :confused: We probally won't get official promo photos of the character until late september/ october??? :confused:

[Octoberist]

Maybe October.....September is kinda of early.. IF we do see anything in Sept, it would be spy pics, i bet!

[the a1ant]

Lets hope they do lots of filming outside, and not in-studio :D :p

[TNC9852002]

:rolleyes:

-TNC

[CASHMERE]

That is your opinion on Julia having talent. When it comes to defining who is talented, it's mostly subjective. As far as Julia having talent, she plays the same type of roles in most of her movies and sounds the same. Is like Julia Roberts playing herself. And you know what? doing accents adds a dept to your characterization and shows that your at least trying to become that character as suppose to just being yourself.

I believe Halle is a better actress than Julia because she pushes herself to do different roles and takes risks. Now those risk might not always work but at least she puts the effot. For instance in Monster ball she played a southern woman and at least attempted to sound sourthern. In the first X-men I really thought she did a good job with the Storm accent except for not been consistent with it. In Catwoman she sounded different also. Julia sounds like Julia in most of her movies like a stated before. That is the same reason a lot of people dont like Keany Reeves and say he sounds the same in every movie.

To me a actress or actor is suppose to become the character(that includes doing whatever accent the character may have), shoot if being yourself is what it takes to be a great actor then we all can do it.Again, Julia is known for her romantic comedies which is what she is mostly does and to me just staying in one genre does not show range. Julia has a nice warming welcoming personality(appearently), people like her and that is why she is mostly famous not because she is Jodie Foster or Meryll Streep or because she tries to push herself to play different roles.

Xfanfan

Your an oscar winner, you should know right? I'm over it. Julia is a bad actress. right!

[Electrix]

Neither Halle or Julia are bad actresses!

[TNC9852002]

Storm was a powerhouse in X-Men Legends... :p

-TNC

[Electrix]

It was a bad idea not to have her in your team.

[Lazmarquez]

Hey everyone, I haven't hit up this thread yet, but I took some time to make a Storm/Halle Wallpaper/Manip for all of you over here. Hope you enjoy :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/stormwow.jpg

[ts16]

WOAH, thats sooooooooo awesome Lazmarquez. VERY nice work. ive never seen that pic before. i love it. that, in my opinion IS storm brought to life. one can only hope that halle looks this good in x3.

[Will]

Hey everyone, I haven't hit up this thread yet, but I took some time to make a Storm/Halle Wallpaper/Manip for all of you over here. Hope you enjoy :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/stormwow.jpg
Looks hot, although it kind of looks like Storm has a 5 o'clock shadow.

[JP]

This guy keeps amazing me!

[ts16]

is that an x1 storm pic ? its amazing. i cant take my eyes off of it. halle's never looked more like storm than she does in this pic. beautiful work laz, i just checked out the phoenix stuff you did. you've got a lot of talent :up: :) :up:

[Slim_X]

Hey Lazmarquez you're awesome! You did that great Phoenix manip too! Keep up the good job man! :D:D:D

[TNC9852002]

Oooohlala!..

-TNC

[Jan Irisi]

WOW!!!!

*sits back and waits for other manips to appear...Marsden, Jackman, Paquin.....come on, you know you all are waiting for them too*

[Electrix]

Oh my God you are a God!

I cant wait till Lightning and Ant see this!

[Angry Sentinel]

*right clicks and saves*

Wow that's good! That definitely goes in the old art gallery, thanks!
If there was a "Best Newbie" award you would win hands down.

*takes toys and applauds Lazmarquez*

[ts16]

Laz should work on the x3 advertising hah, he's that good. speaking of that, remember how the first two movies had posters for each character ? i cant wait to see how those look for x3.

[duo_gabo]

i think laz's work is way better than those made by fox advertising..hehehe

[supersync4d]

According to this perfectly legit animation... tom cruise was born to play storm.. *shivers..

http://www.supload.com/files/default/tom-oprah.gif

[Ions]

According to this perfectly legit animation... tom cruise was born to play storm.. *shivers..

http://www.supload.com/files/default/tom-oprah.gif
:eek: Classic, works on two levels, first it mocks the Halle fans, and second it shows Oprah being attacked by Tom Cruise. That's just genius! :rolleyes:[Ions notes that post will only stir the fanbois into a fervor of more intense Halle Berry gushing. Who would want that?] :(

[americanguy96]

Hey everyone, I haven't hit up this thread yet, but I took some time to make a Storm/Halle Wallpaper/Manip for all of you over here. Hope you enjoy :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/stormwow.jpg




Wow, that's amazing, she looks amazing in that picture.

[TNC9852002]

How does that mock Halle fans, Ions? If anything, it mocks the Cruise fans.. :p

JEez..That gif almost killed my computer...

-TNC

[Timstuff]

According to this perfectly legit animation... tom cruise was born to play storm.. *shivers..

http://www.supload.com/files/default/tom-oprah.gif

LOL, that never gets old. I have it saved to my HDD. :D

[X-Maniac]

Well, having re-watched X1 and X2 last night with a friend (who visited my home with his new projector so we could watch movies projected as a massive picture on my wall), I can truly say I see nothing wrong with Halle's performance as Storm in either movie.

Although not the person i would have thought of for the part, she did great in all aspects. My friend did say he thought Storm was 'under-utilised' in X1, but that was probably so her final showdown against Toad would look more dramatic and because her character is not really revealed, developed or explored through direct relationship/interaction with any other character (unlike the Jean/Scott/Wolverine love triangle and Wolverine/Rogue friendship and the Rogue/Iceman relationship). Some of the attempted characterisations are not quite there - when Storm tells Senator Kelly she is scared of humans, it seems out of character.

But none of that is down to Halle.

The accent, height, hairstyles, the acting --- it was all fine, and it makes it obvious how easy it is for people to forget the enjoyment factor of the movies and how easy it is to criticise.

I think the only thing that truly bothered me about the movies was Wolverine's claws wobbling when the cat licked them at Bobby Drake's house in X2. but i was more aware of that after it had been discussed on here and my friend never noticed it at all. Maybe it will be fixed in the X2.5 edition when that comes out.

These are truly great movies and flow very well when watched back to back. Minor changes in hairstyles do not stand out, and the changes in actors playing Kitty, Jubilee and Pyro do not stand out to most people because those changes are surrounded by so many things that do not change between the films.

I think a great job was done on these first two movies and I hope Brett Ratner is able to continue the tradition.

[the a1ant]

Oh my God you are a God!

I cant wait till Lightning and Ant see this!

Laz is amazing. Nuff said! :up: :D :D

[-Æ-]

According to this perfectly legit animation... tom cruise was born to play storm.. *shivers..

http://www.supload.com/files/default/tom-oprah.gif


Lol that is pretty wicked.

[the a1ant]

Tom Cruise has lost it :o :p

[comic book girl]

:eek: Classic, works on two levels, first it mocks the Halle fans, and second it shows Oprah being attacked by Tom Cruise. That's just genius! :rolleyes:[Ions notes that post will only stir the fanbois into a fervor of more intense Halle Berry gushing. Who would want that?] :(

Everybody's a comedian

[TNC9852002]

Well, having re-watched X1 and X2 last night with a friend (who visited my home with his new projector so we could watch movies projected as a massive picture on my wall), I can truly say I see nothing wrong with Halle's performance as Storm in either movie.

Although not the person i would have thought of for the part, she did great in all aspects. My friend did say he thought Storm was 'under-utilised' in X1, but that was probably so her final showdown against Toad would look more dramatic and because her character is not really revealed, developed or explored through direct relationship/interaction with any other character (unlike the Jean/Scott/Wolverine love triangle and Wolverine/Rogue friendship and the Rogue/Iceman relationship). Some of the attempted characterisations are not quite there - when Storm tells Senator Kelly she is scared of humans, it seems out of character.

But none of that is down to Halle.

The accent, height, hairstyles, the acting --- it was all fine, and it makes it obvious how easy it is for people to forget the enjoyment factor of the movies and how easy it is to criticise.

I think the only thing that truly bothered me about the movies was Wolverine's claws wobbling when the cat licked them at Bobby Drake's house in X2. but i was more aware of that after it had been discussed on here and my friend never noticed it at all. Maybe it will be fixed in the X2.5 edition when that comes out.

These are truly great movies and flow very well when watched back to back. Minor changes in hairstyles do not stand out, and the changes in actors playing Kitty, Jubilee and Pyro do not stand out to most people because those changes are surrounded by so many things that do not change between the films.

I think a great job was done on these first two movies and I hope Brett Ratner is able to continue the tradition.
:eek: :up:

-TNC

[newwaveboy87]

yeah i noticed that after watching X1 after not having seen it in a VERY long time, i didn't see what a lot of people were complaining about in Halle's performance as Storm. the scene between her and Senator Kelly is one of my favorites. and the one where Storm and Wolverine are arguing before Kelly shows up. great.

i really liked her whig in X1, and her costumes, but her accent does waver. i think she should've used it in X2, but i still maintain my belief that Halle could shine as Storm if they actually used her as more of a character then a special effects excuse. she could play it, i know she could, if they just wrote more for Storm to do.

hopefully Ratner will give that to her. and to James Marsden too, but that's a different thread.

[gap5ewl]

ive been saying this all along. halle did great as storm in x1

[newwaveboy87]

she was really good, but i just wish they gave her more to do other then stand around and be more or less the go-to special effects mutant.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, and yet people get all pissy when Halle actually brings up the fact that she's been reduced to the "go-to special effects mutant" and wants a little more to do...It has always seemed hypocritical..

-TNC

[JP]

I didn't like X1 Storm. I thought she was alot better in X2. Better dialogue and better hair. IMO.

[newwaveboy87]

better dialogue yes. her scene with Nightcrawler when they're talking about faith/anger/fear, is one of my favorite.
better hair, no. definitely no.

[JP]

I hated X1 hair. But thats just me. Its all flat, and the bangs are awful.

And yes, the Nightcrawler scene is one of my favs.

[newwaveboy87]

her bangs didn't bother me, but you've got to think about it this way:

is snow white hair on a black woman ever going to look natural? no, not really.

[-Æ-]

Ok ummm, not to sound like a putz but, what the flip, I mean a discussion about her hair, come on people. What have we come to were we are discussing about an X-men's hair. /sigh

[JP]

X1:
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/xmen/X120_008.jpg

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/xmen/X108_001.jpg

X2:

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/x2/X217_001.jpg

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/x2/X224_002.jpg

IMO, X2's hair was better.

Source: http://www.thexverse.com/

[JP]

Ok ummm, not to sound like a putz but, what the flip, I mean a discussion about her hair, come on people. What have we come to were we are discussing about an X-men's hair. /sigh

Um, I dont know about you, but I cant wait to see Famke, Halle, and Anna's hair for X3 more than anything. Maybe even more than Beast.... maybe.

[Mary]

I liked Storm's hair more in X2!

[ts16]

i wish they'd take a hint from laz and make halle look just like she does in the wallpaper he made :p. but no, i have faith that they'll do storm justice in x3 :D

[-Æ-]

Halle Berry is just not a very demeaning actress when it comes to Storm. I mean oh my gosh Storm is worshiped as a goddess in Africa, they fear her because of her powers. They are really slacking on what Storm can really do, although Storm does have a severe Claustarphobia *forgive my spelling*. It will be intresting if they do introduce the morlocks in X3 (i doubt it) cause Storm=sewers is bad news. Anyway, I would have like to see another African American Actress play storm, someone a little more threatening than Halle, with a more serious voice ya know?

[CASHMERE]

X1:
http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/xmen/X120_008.jpg

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/xmen/X108_001.jpg

X2:

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/x2/X217_001.jpg

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/static/themovies/gallery/x2/X224_002.jpg

IMO, X2's hair was better.

Source: http://www.thexverse.com/


I disagree with you. I think X1 Storm's hair was better ,the bangs just needed to be the same lenght as her bangs in X2. That whole feathery thing was to glamorous. & While on the topic of Hair I disliked Jean's Hair in X2, her hair was fine in X1 it just needed more volume.

[The Original Bamfer]

Wavy long hair... mmm, yum! :D

[JP]

I liked Jeans hair more in X2. :( Made her look younger.

[Mary]

I liked Jeans hair more in X2. :( Made her look younger.I agree and Rogue's hair in X2 was really great!

[The Original Bamfer]

I agree, Jopa, it also hinted to the Phoenix I think... it was a change, I liked it, just not for X3... Of course.

[JP]

Jopa?

[duo_gabo]

Jopa?

I think he meant your "jopa"... hehehe

[duo_gabo]

Jopa?

I think he meant youre "jopa"... hehehe

[The Original Bamfer]

Jopa?

Too bad they don't have a 'shakes head in disgrace' smile... :rolleyes: :D

[JP]

:mad: :o :(

[Stripesy Strip]

The thing with Halle is that she`s a good actress and she was not embarassing in the X-Men films. She was fine. What people complained about was that she was not Storm. It`s like Bryan Singer watched the cartoons and didn`t get what Storm was about. He should have watched the comics instead. Storm is as much a badass as Wolverine. Even with the right dialogue, even if say...they make Halle punch somebody in the face in the next film she would still not be Storm. A great actress but without the stomach to do this type of thing. It`s like asking Rob Lowe to be Nick Fury. Even if he would start acting macho, it would be worthless, it`s like a disconnect between what you want and what is possible.

[X-Maniac]

The thing with Halle is that she`s a good actress and she was not embarassing in the X-Men films. She was fine. What people complained about was that she was not Storm. It`s like Bryan Singer watched the cartoons and didn`t get what Storm was about. He should have watched the comics instead. Storm is as much a badass as Wolverine. Even with the right dialogue, even if say...they make Halle punch somebody in the face in the next film she would still not be Storm. A great actress but without the stomach to do this type of thing. It`s like asking Rob Lowe to be Nick Fury. Even if he would start acting macho, it would be worthless, it`s like a disconnect between what you want and what is possible.

Yes, for those of us who were fans of comicbook Storm, it may have been a surprise. And the first time i saw X1, it was a bit of a surprise. But Singer was approaching the movie cautiously after Schumacher had destroyed the superhero franchise with his 'neon and nipples' Batman and at a time of grounded realism in sci-fi (Matrix, Millennium, X-Files etc). He obviously couldn't get actors who were exactly the same appearance as the comicbook versions, and he obviously had to omit some of the 40 years of comicbook history. I don't think he quite understood Storm, but what he did do was fine. And if we'd seen that origin sequence they were going to film, it might have given her more depth and shown how she has to hold back her powers and her emotions, therefore justifying why she did not fly round in the movie firing lightning all over the place.

Most of the X-Men in the movies have a 'day job' at the school, and Storm was made a teacher, thus giving her a more caring, compassionate nature than we might have expected from a comicbook character who has been a warrior and a pickpocket, at times with a Mohican punk image. I don't think it would have been right to have made her a 'badass' - she's never been like that, she's always had a spiritual side. She's been tough, she's a survivor, but she is not a 'badass'.

She'll no doubt be tougher in X3, and maybe some Danger Room training will have enabled her to have stronger control over her abilities, with more controlled flight and able to channel/fire lightning as well as summon it down.

In some ways, all of the characters in the movies depart from their comicbook versions. In the movies, Magneto isn't a built beefcake, Icerman isn't an original team member, Rogue is not a superwoman, Wolverine is not a midget, Jean has become a doctor and genetics expert, Mystique has become naked and scaly. I think there has been an unnecessary focus on Halle's Storm, probably stirred up by a certain faction who really don't like her at all whatever she does.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh my God you are a God!

I cant wait till Lightning and Ant see this!

Well done indeed!

But is that really...Halle in that pic? :confused:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I disagree with you. I think X1 Storm's hair was better ,the bangs just needed to be the same lenght as her bangs in X2. That whole feathery thing was to glamorous. & While on the topic of Hair I disliked Jean's Hair in X2, her hair was fine in X1 it just needed more volume.


You nailed it.

My sentiments exactly.

[ljr]

You nailed it.

My sentiments exactly.
I agree as well,didn't like their hair in x-2.

[Mr Sensitive]

I agree as well,didn't like their hair in x-2.

Yes, much better in X1.

[Electrix]

But is that really...Halle in that pic? :confused:

I think it is. Looks like a younger Halle.

[gap5ewl]

Well done indeed!

But is that really...Halle in that pic? :confused:
it is halle he said so himself

[Retroman]

Storms coming.....


She's expected shortly in Vancouver to shoot X-Men 3.

Source: http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Calga...156125-sun.html

[Electrix]

I want to see how Storm looks in X3! Get the damn wig right please! It's not rocket science!

[BluShaypeShyfte]

Same here

[comic book girl]

I think the features should be left to the setting. My friends told me rouge's hair should be short because Gambit's in x3 and she cut her hair when she fell in love with gambit. Jean's hair "should" be wavy because she turns into the pheonix, and storm's hair was "always" layered with chin length bangs. I could go into more details if you like but for now I will stop

[TNC9852002]

Yes, for those of us who were fans of comicbook Storm, it may have been a surprise. And the first time i saw X1, it was a bit of a surprise. But Singer was approaching the movie cautiously after Schumacher had destroyed the superhero franchise with his 'neon and nipples' Batman and at a time of grounded realism in sci-fi (Matrix, Millennium, X-Files etc). He obviously couldn't get actors who were exactly the same appearance as the comicbook versions, and he obviously had to omit some of the 40 years of comicbook history. I don't think he quite understood Storm, but what he did do was fine. And if we'd seen that origin sequence they were going to film, it might have given her more depth and shown how she has to hold back her powers and her emotions, therefore justifying why she did not fly round in the movie firing lightning all over the place.

Most of the X-Men in the movies have a 'day job' at the school, and Storm was made a teacher, thus giving her a more caring, compassionate nature than we might have expected from a comicbook character who has been a warrior and a pickpocket, at times with a Mohican punk image. I don't think it would have been right to have made her a 'badass' - she's never been like that, she's always had a spiritual side. She's been tough, she's a survivor, but she is not a 'badass'.

She'll no doubt be tougher in X3, and maybe some Danger Room training will have enabled her to have stronger control over her abilities, with more controlled flight and able to channel/fire lightning as well as summon it down.

In some ways, all of the characters in the movies depart from their comicbook versions. In the movies, Magneto isn't a built beefcake, Icerman isn't an original team member, Rogue is not a superwoman, Wolverine is not a midget, Jean has become a doctor and genetics expert, Mystique has become naked and scaly. I think there has been an unnecessary focus on Halle's Storm, probably stirred up by a certain faction who really don't like her at all whatever she does.
*ovation* :up:

This guy's on a roll...

-TNC

[Mr Sensitive]

Yes, those guys have a grudge against our poor Halle.

[the a1ant]

Well done indeed!

But is that really...Halle in that pic? :confused:

yup: http://www.neboo.com/affichage.php?id=30386

[-Æ-]

Yes, those guys have a grudge against our poor Halle.


No grudge agaisnt Halle herself, its just her superherorine repotoire precedes her. She has some big boots to feel in X3 if they plan on still killing off cyclops in the movie /sigh *one of the worst ideas ever*

[ts16]

wow. its amazing that laz saw that halle pic and thought of storm, i never would have. yet he turned it into one of the best storm photo's/wallpapers ive seen. that guy sure is talented.

[-Æ-]

*watches Laz's ego expand even more*

[the a1ant]

lol :p

[Mr Sensitive]

No grudge agaisnt Halle herself, its just her superherorine repotoire precedes her. She has some big boots to feel in X3 if they plan on still killing off cyclops in the movie /sigh *one of the worst ideas ever*


Oh, I was just kidding, Æ.

Although I am far from hating her, people know that I find Berry a very weak actress, and that I deplore the fact she is portraying one of my favourite characters, id est, Storm, as do many other posters.

And they don't hate her.

But it is evident that it is a lot easier to dismiss fair criticism as the bipolar schematic situation of "hate/love".

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh, I was just kidding, Æ.

Although I am far from hating her, people know that I find Berry a very weak actress, and that I deplore the fact she is portraying one of my favourite characters, id est, Storm, as do many other posters.

And they don't hate her.

But it is evident that it is a lot easier to dismiss fair criticism as the bipolar schematic situation of "hate/love".


I actually agree with this. Halle is not my choice of preference for the role of Storm--even though I love her as an actress. She never was "Storm" for me, even as far back as 2000. Why?

Storm, while strikingly-gorgeous has an ethnic flavor to her beauty. Her lips are full, her complexion is dark, she has doe-eyes. And she's stately, tall and regal. She's an African Woman, with a commanding, bellowing voice to match.

Halle, on the other hand is a stylized pop confection--Hollywood's ready-made answer for any movie role that involves a black woman. She's short, fair complexioned (when has Storm EVER been light-skinned??? EVER???) and with mostly European features (nose, mouth, et al). She too is strikingly-beautiful, but in a much different way than classic Storm.

So when I see her on screen, often I just see Halle Berry with a white wig on her head. She's never acted her way out of the physical differences and *become* the character for me like Hugh's tall Wolverine, or even Jessica Alba's more-exotic Invisible Woman. Her voice is soft, meek and weak in X2 (although it was much, much better and commanding in X1--what happened there?) and her fears, etc. are simply not consistent with the character. It's only when her eyes turn white and she blows something up that she looks like Storm--and even then it's for a fleeting moment.

And that's sad.

But this is not 100% Halle's fault because I've seen her put her foot in certain fiery roles in the past. The writing for Storm has consistently sucked, as has the way she's been directed on screen. Say what you want, but I don't believe Bryan ever "got it" when it came to any of the characters aside from Logan.

[Mr Sensitive]

Halle is not my choice of preference for the role of Storm. She never was "Storm" for me, even as far back as 2000. Why?

Storm, while strikingly-gorgeous has an ethnic flavor to her beauty. Her lips are full, her complexion is dark, she has doe-eyes. And she's stately, tall and regal. She's an African Woman, with a commanding, bellowing voice to match.

Halle, on the other hand is a stylized pop confection--Hollywood's ready-made answer for any movie role that involves a black woman. She's short, fair complexioned (when has Storm EVER been light-skinned??? EVER???) and with mostly European features (nose, mouth, et al). She too is strikingly-beautiful, but in a much different way than classic Storm.

So when I see her on screen, often I just see Halle Berry with a white wig on her head. She's never acted her way out of the physical differences and *become* the character for me like Hugh's tall Wolverine, or even Jessica Alba's more-exotic Invisible Woman. Her voice is soft, meek and weak in X2, and her fears, etc. are simply not consistent with the character. It's only when her eyes turn white and she blows something up that she looks like Storm--and even then it's for a fleeting moment.

And that's sad.


100% agreement on that, Lightning. Truly precise.

[Lightning Strykez!]

100% agreement on that, Lightning. Truly precise.


You know what would help seal her cosmetic look for me? Her tiara. Give her her friking tiara.

http://www.wrathoftherunt.com/wotr/stormpic/ExtremeX36.jpg

Having it on her forehead would eliminate the unnatural look of the wig being fused to her skin--just cover the roots and bangs up entirely. Also, the hair really needs to go back to the way it was in X1.

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/replicant/70/tvmovies/trailer/t2storm04t.gif

^^^THIS is Storm....



http://www.livrariaexotica.com.br/Imagens%20arquivo/XM%202/x%20m2%20storm%20no%20cokpit.jpg
THIS is Hollywood....The hair is terrible here. It's freaking BLONDE for Christ's sake. And her skin tone is even lighter than it is in real life for some reason. Why? Is that make-up or lighting?

In my opinion, she looked and acted more like the Weather Goddess in X1 than she did in X2. Her voice was commanding, and (shoot me) I liked her accent.

http://newsfeed.tcm.ie/images/people/halleberryoscarsPA.jpg

I mean, look at her--Halle CAN master the look...but they need different people working on this woman to capture it. The chick working for Singer didn't get it the second time around. Hopefully this new 3-time Oscar-winning Judianna Makovsky will.

[-Æ-]

Or either that, die her hair white, although I don't think she would be that hardcore up for it, although it doesn't matter, shes African American woman, African woman are known to sport the weeve and diffrent hair colors, and pull it off nicely. ie the wig and weeve that she is sporting now looks like her normal hair..

[JP]

I thought that was her normal hair... Didn't she grow it long so she can cut it for her next role?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Or either that, die her hair white, although I don't think she would be that hardcore up for it, although it doesn't matter, shes African American woman, African woman are known to sport the weeve and diffrent hair colors, and pull it off nicely. ie the wig and weeve that she is sporting now looks like her normal hair..

The lightest that Black Women can comfortably dye their hair is blonde, and even then they are seriously damaging it. To go white would literally make the hair fall out since the woman is taking it from one color spectrum (black or very dark brown) to an extreme like white or silver. For a naturally blonde woman however, the change to white would not be as damaging since blonde is much closer on the color spectrum to white than black.

And this damage is not something that only happens to Black women's hair--white actresses like Kim Basinger and Jessica Alba had to cut their damaged ends due to all of the consistent bleaching. Those chemicals destroy hair and I'm sure Halle is not trying to go bald for the sake of one role.

[-Æ-]

Not exactly theres this formula that they sale at Sally's that give african american woman, or anyone with dark hair to die there hair even lighter without damaging it. Also Ive seen it done before, it looks really weird, but I swear I thought I saw a african american woman that looked like she was storm. All she needed to do was to make the sky black and roll back her eyes, and I would have thought she actually was lol.

[-Æ-]

I thought that was her normal hair... Didn't she grow it long so she can cut it for her next role?



See what i mean, its un-beweeveable!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Not exactly theres this formula that they sale at Sally's that give african american woman, or anyone with dark hair to die there hair even lighter without damaging it. Also Ive seen it done before, it looks really weird, but I swear I thought I saw a african american woman that looked like she was storm. All she needed to do was to make the sky black and roll back her eyes, and I would have thought she actually was lol.


:p Okay! LOL

[JP]

See what i mean, its un-beweeveable!

:eek: :eek:

[Retroman]

I mean, look at her--Halle CAN master the look...but they need different people working on this woman to capture it. The chick working for Singer didn't get it the second time around. Hopefully this new 3-time Oscar-winning Judianna Makovsky will.
I hope so too. Storm has never really looked 'right'

P.S: Ms.Makovsky is a 3-time Oscar nominee, not winner. :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

P.S: Ms.Makovsky is a 3-time Oscar nominee, not winner. :)

Thanks for the clarification there, Bub. I must've misread the Wizard article. :o

[Retroman]

Thanks for the clarification there, Bub. I must've misread the Wizard article. :o
No problem.

[Electrix]

Its Halle's birthday in 3 days. I wonder if she'll be getting a cake like she did in X2. I know she got a cake in X1 but I dont know if that was for her birthday.

I bet thats one of the reasons she has signed. She likes cake!

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit...I bet thats one of the reasons she has signed. She likes cake! *Pulls Electric Wire away from Halle's window*

Calm down now...let Halle ear her cake in peace!
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Electrix]

But....she's diabetic, she cant eat it all to herself.

:D

[newwaveboy87]

I thought that was her normal hair... Didn't she grow it long so she can cut it for her next role?

her hair is shoulder length the rest of it is hair extensions. at least those ones actually look real as compared to others *cough Nicole Ritchie cough*

[Lazmarquez]

I thought Halle's hair looked fine second time around. At least it looked like it was attached to her head as opposed to the original fake hair.. ouchies.. And I think that they cannot really make Halle look any more like Storm than she did in X2.. Halle isn't storm, she doesn't opitomise it. but they did their best. lol.. poor storm.. poor Halle for taking all of the abuse for taking this role.. BUT, she can't complain. at least we're not hardcore Catwoman Lore Fans... hah!

[Handyman]

I'm a hard-core catwoman fan...repressing my rage/dissapointment helped though! I dont blame Halle half as much as others though (not to say those people are wrong).I'm looking forward to seeing the new wig - it should be slightly longer than x2 but with a longer fringe.we need pictures people.

[gap5ewl]

i thaugh she wears a weave???

[newwaveboy87]

nope its extensions

[comic book girl]

I actually agree with this. Halle is not my choice of preference for the role of Storm--even though I love her as an actress. She never was "Storm" for me, even as far back as 2000. Why?

Storm, while strikingly-gorgeous has an ethnic flavor to her beauty. Her lips are full, her complexion is dark, she has doe-eyes. And she's stately, tall and regal. She's an African Woman, with a commanding, bellowing voice to match.

Halle, on the other hand is a stylized pop confection--Hollywood's ready-made answer for any movie role that involves a black woman. She's short, fair complexioned (when has Storm EVER been light-skinned??? EVER???) and with mostly European features (nose, mouth, et al). She too is strikingly-beautiful, but in a much different way than classic Storm.

So when I see her on screen, often I just see Halle Berry with a white wig on her head. She's never acted her way out of the physical differences and *become* the character for me like Hugh's tall Wolverine, or even Jessica Alba's more-exotic Invisible Woman. Her voice is soft, meek and weak in X2 (although it was much, much better and commanding in X1--what happened there?) and her fears, etc. are simply not consistent with the character. It's only when her eyes turn white and she blows something up that she looks like Storm--and even then it's for a fleeting moment.

And that's sad.

But this is not 100% Halle's fault because I've seen her put her foot in certain fiery roles in the past. The writing for Storm has consistently sucked, as has the way she's been directed on screen. Say what you want, but I don't believe Bryan ever "got it" when it came to any of the characters aside from Logan.

Please tell that to the people who thinks Halle was too "dark" to play Storm. I think she was an excellent choice. Out of all African American actresses,though not many, who has the best storm "look". I mean Jada Pinkett probably won't do it,Vanessa Williams is lighter than Halle,Gabrielle Union is labeled too "ghetto" by some ,and Beyonce is not talented like any of them. I heard she lip syncs every song, is air brushed, and cheating on Jay-z. So if she could do it he probably wouldn't let her in fear she might cheat.

[X-Maniac]

I sort of agree - comicbook Storm is not a typical African-American, when she was first drawn she looked very unusual, with eyes that were almost Asian, and a strongly Caucasoid face. Different artists have made her lighter or darker, or more African, or less African, over the years. But she is not a typical black woman, and most black actresses would not look 'exotic' enough for the part. Halle's own looks do come pretty close to the exotic nature of Storm, much more so than many of the other suggestions that have been made.

I preferred the longer white hair in X1, I was less fond of the wavy yellowy thing in X2. But it's always going to be difficult to make white hair on a black woman look totally natural.

[newwaveboy87]

umm the very fact that that person brought up Jessica Alba was good as Invisible Woman is highly suspect. and don't believe everything you read about Beyonce, tabloids make **** up all the time.

Halle as Storm is actually much better then most people want to admit too. but i do agree her voice in X1, although wavering, was really good.

[SpiderBoi]

Halle is truly that b*tch if her own thread has 64 pages :o

Keep doin ya thing Halle lol :up:

[newwaveboy87]

a lot of them are arguments about her hair

[Lazmarquez]

LOL..poor Halle, I'd hate to see her reaction if she came to this board and saw how many people hate her in Xmen... I'm no different, but I have to step outside the box sometimes and sympathize for the poor lady..

[the a1ant]

I thought that was her normal hair... Didn't she grow it long so she can cut it for her next role?

She'll be chopping all of her hair off for a role in a future film called 'Nappily Ever After' should be interesting :up:

[The Original Bamfer]

I sort of agree - comicbook Storm is not a typical African-American, when she was first drawn she looked very unusual, with eyes that were almost Asian, and a strongly Caucasoid face. Different artists have made her lighter or darker, or more African, or less African, over the years. But she is not a typical black woman, and most black actresses would not look 'exotic' enough for the part. Halle's own looks do come pretty close to the exotic nature of Storm, much more so than many of the other suggestions that have been made.

I preferred the longer white hair in X1, I was less fond of the wavy yellowy thing in X2. But it's always going to be difficult to make white hair on a black woman look totally natural.

:up: You hit it head on! Though I don't think she looks like a perfect match to Storm... Does Famke look exactly like Jean? Does Hugh look exactly like Logan? Jimmy looks like Cyke, because how easy is it to find a guy with good cheek bones and lips, stick some visors on 'im and get a match? Pretty easy. Does Patrick look exactly like Proffessor Xavier? Okay okay, movie Xavier does match comic Xavier as best as possible... but still, my point is; Halle doesn't look extremely close like Storm, but she works for a realistic movie adaptation.

[-Æ-]

:up: You hit it head on! Though I don't think she looks like a perfect match to Storm... Does Famke look exactly like Jean? Does Hugh look exactly like Logan? Jimmy looks like Cyke, because how easy is it to find a guy with good cheek bones and lips, stick some visors on 'im and get a match? Pretty easy. Does Patrick look exactly like Proffessor Xavier? Okay okay, movie Xavier does match comic Xavier as best as possible... but still, my point is; Halle doesn't look extremely close like Storm, but she works for a realistic movie adaptation.



/sigh im just going to leave this one alone.

[PoSeiDon]

storm and halle rule!!!

okay...sits down after wild outburst!

[Michael Corleone]

LOL..poor Halle, I'd hate to see her reaction if she came to this board and saw how many people hate her in Xmen... I'm no different, but I have to step outside the box sometimes and sympathize for the poor lady..


I don't travel to this board very often so forgive me if I'm retreading on old topics. But, I love the xmen films. But I've never been too hot for Halle in the role of storm. Not because she doesnt fit the look or the usual. Just with her recent remarks she seems to be bitter that she isnt front and center. I've always got this feeling that her heart wasnt in it. And now she talks (*****es) about the fact that she didnt do anything in the other films and hopes she does something in this one. I'm sorry but get over yourself. This is a film that revolves around it's cast not one single player. Yes granted Jackman and others have sort of floated to the top and into the spot light but that's to be expected when you're character is one of the more popular marvel characters all around. Yes storm is too but it's something that always happens. The films were not hits because of just her. She needs to work towards the quality of the film and not towards her screen time.

[-Æ-]

Wha....umm...yep im going to leave this one alone too. *Check please!*

[Slim_X]

From SHH!

Halle Berry talked to V Life, the new Variety magazine, about her role as Storm in the "X-Men" movies. The interview was done before she had agreed to come back for X-Men 3.

"I suffered through the two movies where die-hard fans would come up to me and say, 'How come you let them make Storm wimp out all the time?'" she says. "As if I have any control. Last time I asked them to let Storm do something more than drive the plane, and she drove the plane. Storm is a formidable fighter in the comic books; she has a cape and can fly. I've never flown anywhere in two movies except behind the wheel of that plane. I'd hate to not be part of the final film, but I won't spend five months standing around, even though we all stand to get paid a lot of money this time."

"X3" co-writer Zak Penn says Berry won't be disappointed.

"As one of the writers of the last film, I'd say it's true she ended up with mostly exposition and plane-flying," Penn says.

"There was a whole sequence at the beginning of the last film that showed the origins of her character in Africa, and it got cut simply because there are 14 characters to service. But 'X3' has a couple of big twists, and Storm is right in the center of them. The fact that Halle is a very good actress who was underused compounds the wish for her to have a better role.

20th Century Fox's X-Men 3, directed by Brett Ratner, is currently filming for a May 26, 2006 release.

[ts16]

errr, suffered ? i love halle, but i wish she would speak higher of the x-men movies. after all, they did boost her career quite a bit. im guessing the variety magazine article is somewhat old, when everything with x3 was all up in the air. that was when she seemed to ***** the most lol. any how, im intrigued by these plot twists that Zak Penn mentioned, i wonder how storm is the center of them. *ponders* this makes me even MORE excited for x3. :D

[-Æ-]

Halle has the power, the power to quit, lol.........shes a oscar winner she can do it............./sigh

[Slim_X]

I think that what she's doing is great. She already said that they pay her a lot for not doing anything and she could just do that but instead she wants Storm to change and not be as crappy as she's been for 2 movies. As a Storm fan I think that's great.

I'd like to know how she'll be an important part of that twist...

[Zinzoningen]

She "suffered" through them. What an ungrateful *****. I can't believe how full of herself she is.
Yeah, bring some of that wonderful talent you have, that you showed off so well in Catwoman. Yeah, you're a veritable legend.

[Slim_X]

She "suffered" through them. What an ungrateful *****. I can't believe how full of herself she is.
Yeah, bring some of that wonderful talent you have, that you showed off so well in Catwoman. Yeah, you're a veritable legend.
You DO realize that by "suffered" she didn't mean about doing the movies but about the people asking her why Storm isn't like her comic-book counter part.

[JP]

Nice interview.

[-Æ-]

Well, I say just drop her if they are paying her to do nothing, heck just go get some no named actress to do that, they can save money in the long run. Ill be happy with another storm.

[ts16]

lol your missing the point, she said she COULD, have done nothing. just show up, read some lack luster lines and get paid the big bucks, but instead she took a stand whith the whole "might not come back" thing. it worked to, since she's apparently the center of some big plot twists. im pretty excited to see how these "twists" will play out. im glad berry stuck up for the character and realized that storm was not getting the right treatment. had it not been for her little protest, storm could have been treated just how she was in the last fims. i wish she'd show more respect to x1/x2 though, they put her on the map for christs sake. i mean, she couldent have "suffered" that bad.

[-Æ-]

nah not missing the point. I understand completely

[Yellow Cyclone]

ugh, post-oscar diva syndrome at its finest

[Slim_X]

Well, I say just drop her if they are paying her to do nothing, heck just go get some no named actress to do that, they can save money in the long run. Ill be happy with another storm.
That just proves how big Halle is :), the producers want her in.

[CASHMERE]

You DO realize that by "suffered" she didn't mean about doing the movies but about the people asking her why Storm isn't like her comic-book counter part.

Obviously he doesn't. He's an angry person who loves to vent out his anger by vicously attacking certain people... how original:o

[SLYspyder]

"There was a whole sequence at the beginning of the last film that showed the origins of her character in Africa, and it got cut simply because there are 14 characters to service."

that's a HUGE slap in the face to all x-men fans. they cut out a storm origin sequence??!! something that would have taken all but 5 minutes. and they didn't even put it on the ****in DVD. how ****in lame.

[ts16]

maybe it will make an appearance on x2.5 ??? :D

[the a1ant]

That orgin scene would've helped her character a lot in X1, because most people not familiar with the comics had no clue why Halle was speaking with an accent. Now that it (the accent) was missing in X2, the whole 'Africa' aspect seems to have been cut out all together. The only 'Africa' aspect she carrries in the films, are a couple articles of cloathing...and most of the general public still didn't get it. :o

For X3, I'd just like one mention of Africa...just ONE!!! :mad:

[CASHMERE]

I wonder who played child Halle/Storm.... Kyla Pratt, Raven Simone =p

[Slim_X]

Raven Simone LMAO :p

[GNR]

I don't know about you guys but don't you think this origin sequence might have been out of place?After all,Storm really wasn't a central or crucial part of the plot.

[GNR]

These "couple of big twists" sound good.

[Slim_X]

That orgin scene would've helped her character a lot in X1, because most people not familiar with the comics had no clue why Halle was speaking with an accent. Now that it (the accent) was missing in X2, the whole 'Africa' aspect seems to have been cut out all together. The only 'Africa' aspect she carrries in the films, are a couple articles of cloathing...and most of the general public still didn't get it. :o

For X3, I'd just like one mention of Africa...just ONE!!! :mad:
I think that her origin scene could've easily replaced the Wolverine/Alkali Lake scene... that was kinda pointless if he later told Xavier he didn't find anything there. IMO after the White House attack they could've go back in time to Africa and tell Storm's origin story then they go back to the present to the museum where Storm is standing in front of an exposition about African tribes explaining to the kids how she grew up there or something, then she moves on to an exposition about evolution and says the lines she had in the movie.
Just replace the "real Alkali Lake wolf-fade in(or however u call that shot :p)-fake Alkali Lake wolf" scene with a "young Storm-fade in-adult Storm" shot.
And then somewhere in the movie have a flashback explaining Cykes origin :).

[CASHMERE]

Raven Simone LMAO :p

Can you just imagine her flying up in the air, eyes and hair all white, saying things like "Clouds quench this land" and so on:eek: .

[Slim_X]

Can you just imagine her flying up in the air, eyes and hair all white, saying things like "Clouds quench this land" and so on:eek: .
I can imagine that.. but it's just so not right. :D

[-Æ-]

And out from the shadows come.........

[newwaveboy87]

That orgin scene would've helped her character a lot in X1, because most people not familiar with the comics had no clue why Halle was speaking with an accent. Now that it (the accent) was missing in X2, the whole 'Africa' aspect seems to have been cut out all together. The only 'Africa' aspect she carrries in the films, are a couple articles of cloathing...and most of the general public still didn't get it. :o

For X3, I'd just like one mention of Africa...just ONE!!! :mad:

you know what though, she could bring it back. Ratner could do something really right with Storm and have Halle use the accent again. upon rewatching the movie, i honestly think people think it sounds worse then what it was. i hope there's a mention of Africa, and i hope the accent comes back.

i'm right there with you ant.

STORM FANS UNITE!!

[Retroman]

From SHH!

Halle Berry talked to V Life, the new Variety magazine, about her role as Storm in the "X-Men" movies. The interview was done before she had agreed to come back for X-Men 3.

"I suffered through the two movies where die-hard fans would come up to me and say, 'How come you let them make Storm wimp out all the time?'" she says. "As if I have any control. Last time I asked them to let Storm do something more than drive the plane, and she drove the plane. Storm is a formidable fighter in the comic books; she has a cape and can fly. I've never flown anywhere in two movies except behind the wheel of that plane. I'd hate to not be part of the final film, but I won't spend five months standing around, even though we all stand to get paid a lot of money this time."

"X3" co-writer Zak Penn says Berry won't be disappointed.
:up:
"As one of the writers of the last film, I'd say it's true she ended up with mostly exposition and plane-flying," Penn says.

"There was a whole sequence at the beginning of the last film that showed the origins of her character in Africa, and it got cut simply because there are 14 characters to service. But 'X3' has a couple of big twists, and Storm is right in the center of them. The fact that Halle is a very good actress who was underused compounds the wish for her to have a better role.

20th Century Fox's X-Men 3, directed by Brett Ratner, is currently filming for a May 26, 2006 release.
More Storm is :up:

[Xfanfan]

Hi

About her whole origin sequence, if they really wanted to they could have incorporated it in this movie as a flashback. Maybe have her having a conversation with someone about why she had some resentment toward humans which would make sense since her origin involved her getting attacked by human kids.

Xfanfan

[TNC9852002]

It's interesting how different people choose to interpret that Halle/SHH interview...Having an established mindset on the subject matter will automatically perceive that article in your favor, however that may be. Just read it for what it is, not for what you want it to be.

-TNC

[usagicassidy]

Really Storms flashback (and Cyclops' as well) should have been in X-Men. I'm not sure how 'in place' it would feel to have them in either X2 or X3.

[TNC9852002]

I think it would've fit in rather nicely...If it was shot and everything, all other relevant material from the film might've been adjusted accordingly and we might've had a slightly different kind of film...

-TNC

[BluShaypeShyfte]

YAY!!! :D ::readies weapon for anti-Storm posters:: :p It is about time...now...I want more! Does she fly? Does she fight? Does she say anything?

[Handyman]

That interview gives me hope - the writers acknowledged the fact that she was a glorified driver in the last two films (a bit of an overstatement but hey...).i think she will come into her own as a strong leader who is decisive about xavier's cause.hopefully the twist is not that she is going to die, cos that would be an even bigger cop out as they would be making her really strong only to kill her off (even if she isnt coming back for more).


Hey - Newwaveboy i really dig your avatar (that's what theyre called right?) - where is it from?

[Electrix]

Cool interview :up:

I wonder how Storm feels about Xavier 'blocking' Jeans powers? Maybe Xavier could be blocking her powers, not allowing her to reach her full potential? If Xavier isnt around, maybe it is up to her to lead the X-Men if Cyclops isnt around?

[X-Maniac]

Give us the Storm origin scene! Dammit, darnit and dangit!

[Celestial]

I think that her origin scene could've easily replaced the Wolverine/Alkali Lake scene...
No, the Alkali Lake scene was part of the set up for the finale. It established the location - the remoteness, the expanse of water, that the base appeared to have been abandoned. It meant that whenever Mystique, Magneto, Wolverine or whoever referred to Alkali Lake and Stryker's base we had a reference point. Where possible it's better to be shown rather than told.

Unless Storm's origin fitted into the story (eg the villain turned out to be someone in her past life), it had no place in X2. It would have been more appropriate to have some of Jean's backstory.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I wonder if we are actually getting Storm in this movie...I haven't seen her yet.

[Red Mask]

I hope this means the acting and plot will be good.

[TNC9852002]

Let me re-emphasize this quote:


"There was a whole sequence at the beginning of the last film that showed the origins of her character in Africa, and it got cut simply because there are 14 characters to service. But 'X3' has a couple of big twists, and Storm is right in the center of them."
:eek: :eek:


Sometimes plot twists can make or break a movie...Until anyone finds out about these plot twists, people need to just stop complaining about anything in this movie as of right now!.. :p ...Or not.. :(

-TNC

[aaron]

at the center of all the twists?

[Red Mask]

Does that mean the movie was written as a vehicle for her?

[aaron]

for halle and her needs.

[JP]

Here we go again....

[aaron]

thats all ive said.

but are u saying, jp, that thats not the main factor in why storm will be a central figure in x-men 3?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well Wolverine is getting his own movie so his screentime will be lowered and James Marsden is barely going to be in it due to Superman Returns conflicting.

[aaron]

we dont know about that, his shooting seems to have finished, and before x3 shooting, so i assume hes got an equally sized role to his in the x2

[RedIsNotBlue]

we dont know about that, his shooting seems to have finished, and before x3 shooting, so i assume hes got an equally sized role to his in the x2

Nope he is still filiming for the movie.

[aaron]

are u sure?

theres only about a week left on principal filming and his roles not huge anyway

[RedIsNotBlue]

are u sure?

theres only about a week left on principal filming and his roles not huge anyway

Theres more than a week of filming going to be done. And his role is actually very important to the film. He and Lois are involved and have a child.

[aaron]

mmm errr ok

[Electrix]

Oh hell...

Storm being the center of 'plot twists' doesnt mean she has X3 based on her. These twists we know nothing about. However, Storm could be involved with Dark Phoenix, Morlocks and the Mutant Cure. Obviously she cant be everywhere at once but she 'could easily' be involved with anyone of them.

We'll just have to sit on our backsides and see what happens. I'm just glad Halle is back an that she will be involved in the storyline than just being and extra in Wolverines journey and a special effects machine.

I dont know if this is technically right by me saying this but Ratner seems to like black women more than Singer. Ratner has dated one of the Williams sisters so maybe Halle will get on with Ratner more than she did with Singer?

[psyonic]

I'm hoping for a hand to hand combat scene with Callisto just like in the comics.

[aaron]

yeah, could be so. and the fact he isnt gay.

im hoping the morlocks could lead to something with gambit.

[JP]

LOL@ Electric Wire.

[Octoberist]

Unless Zach Penn lied, Angel's father may not be the 'generic human villian'. People want Sinister...more like wishful thinking. But image if it did really happen! Wow!

With the serum angle, they can bring in the Morlocks. Not in a way where they're the main point in the movie, but an anknowledment that they too exist with in the franchise.

Gambit..well, that's a different thread all together.

[aaron]

yep, could u see the four horsemen ***** happening?

[Octoberist]

Singer kind of made a reality-based enviorment where certain can or can't happen. A character like Mojo or Apocolyspe are too far fetch, but Juggs and the Sentinals are okay.

But I can't picture the government having killer robots that look humanoid and that are 30 feet tall. Unless it's done right. I've always imagine them as like that evil robot fellow in the first Robocop; like a military weapon of some sort within the movieverse. But that's me.

Four Horsemen...yeah, if it's plausible.

[Stripesy Strip]

Yes, for those of us who were fans of comicbook Storm, it may have been a surprise. And the first time i saw X1, it was a bit of a surprise. But Singer was approaching the movie cautiously after Schumacher had destroyed the superhero franchise with his 'neon and nipples' Batman and at a time of grounded realism in sci-fi (Matrix, Millennium, X-Files etc). He obviously couldn't get actors who were exactly the same appearance as the comicbook versions, and he obviously had to omit some of the 40 years of comicbook history. I don't think he quite understood Storm, but what he did do was fine. And if we'd seen that origin sequence they were going to film, it might have given her more depth and shown how she has to hold back her powers and her emotions, therefore justifying why she did not fly round in the movie firing lightning all over the place.

Most of the X-Men in the movies have a 'day job' at the school, and Storm was made a teacher, thus giving her a more caring, compassionate nature than we might have expected from a comicbook character who has been a warrior and a pickpocket, at times with a Mohican punk image. I don't think it would have been right to have made her a 'badass' - she's never been like that, she's always had a spiritual side. She's been tough, she's a survivor, but she is not a 'badass'.

She'll no doubt be tougher in X3, and maybe some Danger Room training will have enabled her to have stronger control over her abilities, with more controlled flight and able to channel/fire lightning as well as summon it down.

In some ways, all of the characters in the movies depart from their comicbook versions. In the movies, Magneto isn't a built beefcake, Icerman isn't an original team member, Rogue is not a superwoman, Wolverine is not a midget, Jean has become a doctor and genetics expert, Mystique has become naked and scaly. I think there has been an unnecessary focus on Halle's Storm, probably stirred up by a certain faction who really don't like her at all whatever she does.

The difference here with the other changes made for the other X-Men some were not that important, others that were added were as interesting as what the original character was. For instance Mystique: in the comics she`s a planner, a smart manipulator who happens to have blue skin and change appearances, right? In the film they threw all that away out the window by only keeping the "blue skin shape-changer" but in a way created another as much interesting being from it. A sort-of almost silent creature with an alien personality. And I could say with someone like Rogue they took the young woman with troubles concept and made her even younger to tie it to troubles of identity a teenager would have(in short it made sens).

But with Storm though, not only she`s more important than these other characters who have had drastic changes made on them but these are not changes that have made the character better. She`s a teacher yes, but she`s just...bland. Trying to be kewt sometimes. I mean it`s such a huge chunk of the character`s soul that`s missing that it`s sad. They could name her Polaris or any other name and it would not be much different.

And can Halle bring something new to the dance? I doubt it. Especially the tough cockie from the comics: no way can Halle do that. She usualy break her bones just by running.

[Electrix]

And can Halle bring something new to the dance? I doubt it. Especially the tough cockie from the comics: no way can Halle do that. She usualy break her bones just by running.

Yes, Halle doesnt have much luck when it comes to stunts, fighting etc. However, she wants Storm to have a fight scene and she wants Storm to fly which will involve wire work. You've got to give it to her.

Halle has the power to make them change certain parts of the script which involve her character. Halle probably signed knowing that Storm is going to be given justice. I dont think she would if she wasnt.

[TNC9852002]

Well Wolverine is getting his own movie so his screentime will be lowered and James Marsden is barely going to be in it due to Superman Returns conflicting.
HAHAHA!...Keep telling yourself that.. :p

-TNC

[blind_fury]

Nothing's worse than a Halle Berry apologist.

Halle Berry represents everything wrong with Hollywoods treatment of comic books. Her portrayals of superheros is disrespectful, lazy, and completely inaccurate. She just gets paid a ridiculous sum of money to ruin potentailly great characters. She exploits these "cartoons" then she buys another house in Malibu. People who think she's acceptable as Storm(or Catwoman) wouldn't care who played Storm as long as it's black woman willing to play dress up and mumble her lines half-heartedly. To them, any black woman could play Storm. A timid and mousy mulatto? Completely acceptable as the strong, regal matriarch of the X-men. Please stop defending Halle Berry. Your to blame for Hollywood's lazy, mistreatment of our beloved comic books.

[Lazmarquez]

i'm not sure how i feel about the new articles posted on SHH!, but Halle has never sounded so angry about the role, and i commend her somewhat for standing for the character, but then again, I'm not sure she knows an abundant ammount about the character (see X1 DVD, where Halle says she never really read comics prior to the movies).. so i dont know. I hope they just make her heightened role make sense and not blatent that they need to give ms. Berry some screen time..
Like: "In this scene, we're going to have Storm try and use Cerebro because at this point in the film, no one else can, and she has secretly been training herself to be a telepath.[insert flashback] Storm will use cerebro succesfully, noting her new evolution as a mutant, fly the skys back to the destruction of NYC, saving an airplane that is suddenly in danger on the way, and save Wolverine and the Kids from Disaster, only to find herself up against... PHOENIX, who is no match for Storm's New Telepath Powers..."

[Lightning Strykez!]

Goodmorning everyone...

Well, after reading that article I feel somewhat encouraged. I'm glad that Halle has educated herself about the character and knows there's much more to it than what we've seen.

I also find it interesting how some of these fanboys have the whole "selective reading" thing going on with the way they are misinterpreting her statement about "suffering through" this situation. Way to miss the point fellas. :rolleyes: I guess it just goes to show that some really want to hate Halle Berry and, as usual, will take any and everything she says out of context.

Here's to hoping that these new "plot twists" will bring the best out of both Halle and Storm. Storm deserves to be front and center. She is one of the Core Four: Cyclops, Wolverine and Jean are the other cornerstones of this cannon.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Nothing's worse than a Halle Berry apologist.

Halle Berry represents everything wrong with Hollywoods treatment of comic books. Her portrayals of superheros is disrespectful, lazy, and completely inaccurate. She just gets paid a ridiculous sum of money to ruin potentailly great characters. She exploits these "cartoons" then she buys another house in Malibu. People who think she's acceptable as Storm(or Catwoman) wouldn't care who played Storm as long as it's black woman willing to play dress up and mumble her lines half-heartedly. To them, any black woman could play Storm. A timid and mousy mulatto? Completely acceptable as the strong, regal matriarch of the X-men. Please stop defending Halle Berry. Your to blame for Hollywood's lazy, mistreatment of our beloved comic books.

Step down from your high horse my friend. No one here is "blame" for anything. We are just fans who care about what happens to Storm, and Halle Berry is the vehicle being used to portray her. So if fans wish to defend her because of the character she's portraying, that's their perrogative and right.

There is a grave danger in generalizing people and you're doing that with your blanket statements above. :down

By the way, your presumption that Halle's "lazy" and "innaccurate" portrayal of these comic heroes is her fault betrays a lack of understanding of how Hollywood truly works.

[-Æ-]

Hey thats hilarious.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hey thats hilarious.


What's hilarious? :confused:

[huskerwebhead]

Halle is an overrated actress. I haven't been impressed with any of the work she's done, least of all her Storm portrayal. I find it disheartening that Fox is actualy giving in to all her whining and giving her a bigger part, molding the story to fit "her wishes." I hope it makes for a better story and brings us the Storm we all know and love. But something in my gut tells me this is going to weaken the story/plot just so it can give in to an inferior actress (with a nice body and big name) and her whims, which is sad.

I guess all we can do is sit back and hope for the best, but I'm not encouraged.

[Electrix]

They arnt moulding the story for Halle. They are making it so that Storm fits with the storyline better.

The storyline is Dark Phoenix, Cure, possibly Morlocks. Unknown twists and more. There isnt enough room for a Storm focused movie. People are just being stupid...again.

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit...People who think she's acceptable as Storm(or Catwoman) wouldn't care who played Storm as long as it's black woman willing to play dress up and mumble her lines half-heartedly. To them, any black woman could play Storm. A timid and mousy mulatto?

Edit...So if fans wish to defend her because of the character she's portraying, that's their perrogative and right. YEAH B-fury, so in turn if you want to bash the crap outta Halle, feel free to do so.
Halle Berry represents everything wrong with Hollywoods treatment of comic books. Her portrayals of superheros is disrespectful, lazy, and completely inaccurate. She just gets paid a ridiculous sum of money to ruin potentailly great characters. She exploits these "cartoons" then she buys another house in Malibu. Um...Err...yeah, why didnt you just say so in the first place!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[gazi]

Halle Sucks

[Lightning Strykez!]

YEAH D-fury, so in turn if you want to bash the crap outta Halle, feel free to do so.


:confused:

What?

[camaleonz]

I Think she made a really good point about the character, why did singer didn’t make her flight in the movies? And don’t say because is to far fetch, and that he was trying to make it realistic, because last time i checked there is a guy who has a skeleton of metal, some one who controls fire and a guy who shoots laser out his eyes

[Angry Sentinel]

:confused:

What? ...Um, sorry that should've said B-Fury as in Blind fury!

[TNC9852002]

Just face it...Some people just want Halle to shut her trap, trust the writers, and not worry about the portrayal of Storm.

We've all seen the mistakes made with her character. Even she's seen them and for years now. We need to realize that she's the only one who can probably do something and make sure those mistakes are fixed. You can't sit and complain about Storm's role in these movies and then bash Halle for trying to make her character stronger. First it's supposed to be Halle's fault for not giving Storm justice, and now it's NOT up to her to try and do something about it? What's really wanted here?

-TNC

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just face it...Some people just want Halle to shut her trap, trust the writers, and not worry about the portrayal of Storm.

We've all seen the mistakes made with her character. She has seen them for years now. We need to realize that she's the only one who can probably do something and make sure those mistakes are fixed. You can't sit and complain about Storm's role in these movies and then bash on Halle for saying something about it. First its Halle's fault for not giving Storm justice, and now it's NOT up to her to try and do something about it?

-TNC


Pathetic isn't it?

Halle was never my first choice for Storm but I applaud her resolve to get the character right. It's annoying however to see some of these fanboys twist every damn statement she makes to give them a greenlight to hate her further.

It's immaturity at its zenith. :down

[X-Maniac]

There is an annoying 'faction' on here that hates Halle whatever she does.

She acted the part that was written, this faction says that was wrong. She speaks up about diehard fans expecting more, and that is wrong. She attempts to do something about it, that is wrong. The scriptwriters finally realise and try to do something about it and that is wrong. She is accused of demanding more screentime, of stealing Cyclops role and resulting in his alleged death scene.

It's all very irritating. And it pops up every now and then with some of the same people spouting on and on and on, and some mysterious 'new' people suddenly joining in.

Halle was cast as Storm, she has played Storm twice. Those things cannot be changed. And she will be Storm in X3. That cannot be changed either.

The tedious complaints about things that cannot be changed just appears annoyingly from time to time like dogturds in the street.

[Lightning Strykez!]

There is an annoying 'faction' on here that hates Halle whatever she does.

She acted the part that was written, this faction says that was wrong. She speaks up about diehard fans expecting more, and that is wrong. She attempts to do something about it, that is wrong. The scriptwriters finally realise and try to do something about it and that is wrong. She is accused of demanding more screentime, of stealing Cyclops role and resulting in his alleged death scene.

It's all very irritating. And it pops up every now and then with some of the same people spouting on and on and on, and some mysterious 'new' people suddenly joining in.

Halle was cast as Storm, she has played Storm twice. Those things cannot be changed. And she will be Storm in X3. That cannot be changed either.

The tedious complaints about things that cannot be changed just appears annoyingly from time to time like dogturds in the street.

As usual, well said X-Maniac. :up:

[Angry Sentinel]

While I tend to agree with you guys that the "Halle Hating" is annoying, sometimes seriously overdone, and un-warranted; they do have the right to moan on this open forum. Its how they feel and they can keep posting that feeling time and time again, just like those who gloriously praise the gal. Some have at least tried to verbalize their reasoning with some sembelance of logic.

My angst is when they start attacking other posters (or when they get attacked). Discussion is fine but sometimes you just have to let it go with disagreement.

[-Æ-]

LOL oh man my head hurts from laughing.

[TNC9852002]

What's so funny?

She acted the part that was written, this faction says that was wrong. She speaks up about diehard fans expecting more, and that is wrong. She attempts to do something about it, that is wrong. The scriptwriters finally realise and try to do something about it and that is wrong. She is accused of demanding more screentime, of stealing Cyclops role and resulting in his alleged death scene.

It's all very irritating. And it pops up every now and then with some of the same people spouting on and on and on, and some mysterious 'new' people suddenly joining in.

Halle was cast as Storm, she has played Storm twice. Those things cannot be changed. And she will be Storm in X3. That cannot be changed either.

The tedious complaints about things that cannot be changed just appears annoyingly from time to time like dogturds in the street.
I'd like to see those on the opposing side of this debate try and deny this all.

-TNC

[duo_gabo]

hmmm..maybe Halle will do great in X3..i mean.. she was underused in previous x-men films.. maybe halle can prove to the fans that she can be storm that will just depend how big her role is.. (IM HOPING MORLOCKS>>>)hehehe

[Angry Sentinel]

I'm kind of an "Even Steven" on the subject. Instead of trying to decide what is truth, and force everyone to see it my way(no matter how logical I may feel my thoughts to be); Im just happy I get to enjoy the things that make me happy.

:hyper:... Halle Berry as Catwoman
:eek:
Ok looking at Halle as.. oooh there is just no way to clean that up.

[SLYspyder]

i keep on forgetting X3 has a new director. I hope this means a new direction, making x-men as big as spider-man by following the comics better.

they need to take wolverine and marvel girl (did they EVER use her name in the movies?) down a couple of notches and take Cyclops and Storm up where they should be. The cartoon was a huge success that followed the comics nicely, and jean and wolverine weren't the stars of the show quite frankly.

Can we have a scene showing just how powerful storm is?
can we have a ****in scene showing cyclops being the leader of the x-men, with storm as 2nd in command?!
can we have a ****in scene with the x-men charging to battle with costumes somewhat similar to what they had in the comics?

these are things that will make x-men more of success.

sigh, but we are headed toward the jean show again with this phoenix crap with famke ''i'm what jean would look like 10 years later'' janssen.

[X-Maniac]

No, the Alkali Lake scene was part of the set up for the finale. It established the location - the remoteness, the expanse of water, that the base appeared to have been abandoned. It meant that whenever Mystique, Magneto, Wolverine or whoever referred to Alkali Lake and Stryker's base we had a reference point. Where possible it's better to be shown rather than told.

Unless Storm's origin fitted into the story (eg the villain turned out to be someone in her past life), it had no place in X2. It would have been more appropriate to have some of Jean's backstory.

I think a Storm origin scene (the one written showed a young Storm creating an icestorm that almost destroyed her African village) would have worked very well, with the white of the icestorm being faded into the white of the snowy, icy Alkali Lake setting. That origin scene would have been only a few minutes long at most, and some slightly adjusted dialogue later on would have given it meaning as an illustration of the 'anger is all we have' ... showing that anger links to her powers, and thus illustrating her need for restraint and aloofness. Alternatively, the origin scene could have been a brief flashback during that 'anger is all we have' scene with Nightcrawler.

[X-Maniac]

Does that mean the movie was written as a vehicle for her?


Of course not. What a foolish thing to say. It's written to continue the story of the X-Men as it was left at the end of X2. If you were a true fan, you'd realise that.

[X-Maniac]

I wonder if we are actually getting Storm in this movie...I haven't seen her yet.

No one has seen her yet. The movie hasn't been finished, filming has hardly started. Of course we are getting Storm. Do your homework and take a commonsense pill before uttering pure drivel.

[X-Maniac]

Well Wolverine is getting his own movie so his screentime will be lowered and James Marsden is barely going to be in it due to Superman Returns conflicting.

More rubbish from the ignorant. That no longer applies. Marsden will be in it - there is no conflict in shooting, there may have been a personal thing going on with Fox wanting to keep him out because he went off to to Superman, but even that is not substantiated. Stop jumping to conclusions.

[BluShaypeShyfte]

O woe is me! ^^^

[X-Maniac]

yeah, could be so. and the fact he isnt gay.

im hoping the morlocks could lead to something with gambit.

Singer's sexuality is nothing to do with how he treated the Storm character Grow up and stop spewing out inaccurate rubbish. You are now trying to make Singer sound like a misogynist. The Storm role was a little off-centre, but it has nothing to do with Singer's sexuality, you moron.

[Flare]

I really don't understand the Halle bashing here.

People complain and complain about her weak portrayal of Storm, and then when she expresses legitimate interest in improving the character's role, she gets hated on? Like she said, she is still going to be paid the same amount. She just wants to give the best performance that she can here.

And being 2nd in command, I'd say she is an important enough character to warrant more involvement in the story.

Seriously, some people don't know what they want.

[X-Maniac]

The difference here with the other changes made for the other X-Men some were not that important, others that were added were as interesting as what the original character was. For instance Mystique: in the comics she`s a planner, a smart manipulator who happens to have blue skin and change appearances, right? In the film they threw all that away out the window by only keeping the "blue skin shape-changer" but in a way created another as much interesting being from it. A sort-of almost silent creature with an alien personality. And I could say with someone like Rogue they took the young woman with troubles concept and made her even younger to tie it to troubles of identity a teenager would have(in short it made sens).

But with Storm though, not only she`s more important than these other characters who have had drastic changes made on them but these are not changes that have made the character better. She`s a teacher yes, but she`s just...bland. Trying to be kewt sometimes. I mean it`s such a huge chunk of the character`s soul that`s missing that it`s sad. They could name her Polaris or any other name and it would not be much different.

And can Halle bring something new to the dance? I doubt it. Especially the tough cockie from the comics: no way can Halle do that. She usualy break her bones just by running.

The problem with your argument is that it's based on your own view of the other changes being more or less important, not on fact. What you see as an acceptable change is your view, it may not be other people's idea of what is acceptable. If Mystique were a huge character with a large fanbase (which she isn't), then there would have an outcry over the changes made to the movie version.

When you say the other changes to other characters were 'not that important' and 'made sense', that is purely your own interpretation. You were happy with those changes, but not with changes to Storm. But that is purely your own view.

[Electrix]

I think the chances are, with all the things rumoured to be happening, the X-Men will need to split up or something.

Cyclops can take one team, Storm can have the other.

Cyclops can go off and try and calm his beech down and Storm can go deal with all the ugly people who dont want special powers anymore.

[X-Maniac]

I Think she made a really good point about the character, why did singer didn’t make her flight in the movies? And don’t say because is to far fetch, and that he was trying to make it realistic, because last time i checked there is a guy who has a skeleton of metal, some one who controls fire and a guy who shoots laser out his eyes

Singer chose to make a world of dark reality, of future possibility, and he wanted to make it something people could relate to as much as possible. Comicbook characters fly around all over the place, and instantly become more than human. Singer wanted to keep these people human, give them human weaknesses and not make them invincible or cheesy. Therefore, none of the characters had the power of flight. It's not too difficult to grasp if you think about it.

[newwaveboy87]

Hey - Newwaveboy i really dig your avatar (that's what theyre called right?) - where is it from?

my friend made it for me using some of Bruce Timm's artwork from a website i know of. it is awesome though.

[Handyman]

i think its excellent newwaveboy!

im really pleased with how the boards are evolving (lame pun intended) this thread has gone from mostly solid halle bashings to more reasonable arguments/debates.

people now understand that halle played a weak storm and said stuff like "im afraid of humans sometimes" not because she wrote the line and decided how she said it but because it was written for the character before she was even cast.

the second movie saw a progression and hopefully in the third she will be a powerhouse who gets to do more than help others provide exposition on their predicamants.

by the way, a lot of people are talking about morlocks - is this just a rumour or is it confirmed?

[The Guard]

Can we have a scene showing just how powerful storm is?

Dozens of tornadoes coming out of the skies, various lightning tricks, massive amounts of wind and such doesn't do that?

can we have a ****in scene showing cyclops being the leader of the x-men, with storm as 2nd in command?!

Try the Liberty Island scene in X-MEN. Or, you know, the first time they appear onscreen in X-MEN.

can we have a ****in scene with the x-men charging to battle with costumes somewhat similar to what they had in the comics?

No. That would be lame.

these are things that will make x-men more of success.

Why?