"By The Goddess": The Official Storm/Halle Berry Discussion

[Tyrano]

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STORM:
The Official Character Discussion Thread
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Welcome to the official thread dedicated solely to Ororo Munroe A.K.A. Storm--a prominent member of the X-Men. Having debuted at a time when memories of Star Trek's Lt. Uhura were still fresh, Ororo's status as a black female with a similar name and Kenyan origins may not be coincidental. In any case, she is the first black female superhero of any note and remains the most popular.

Biographical Data

Real name: Ororo Munroe
Other aliases: (current) None, (former--in Kenya and Tanzania) "Beautiful Windrider"
Identity: Secret
Occupation: Adventurer, (former) "Goddess" to an African tribe, master thief
Legal status: Citizen of the United States with no criminal record. (She probably has a record as a juvenile offender in Egypt, but not under her true name.)
Place of birth: New York City, New York
Marital status: Single
Known relatives: David Munroe (father, deceased), N'Dare Munroe (mother, deceased), Ashake (ancestor, deceased)
Base of operations: (current) Xavier Institute, Salem Center, Westchester County, New York State, (former) Cairo, Egypt; Kenya and Tanzania; X-Men headquarters, Australian outback
Group affiliation: (current) X-Men, (former) Leader of the Morlocks
First appearance: GIANT-SIZE X-MEN #1

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History: Storm is the descendant of an ancient line of African priestesses, all of whom have white hair, blue eyes, and the potential to wield magic. Her mother, N'Dare, was the princess of a tribe in Kenya. She married the American photojournalist David Munroe and moved with him to Manhattan, where Ororo was born.

When Ororo was six months old, she and her parents moved to Cairo, Egypt. Five years later, a bomb destroyed their home. Ororo's parents were killed, but she survived, buried under rubble near her mother's body. This traumatizing effect left Ororo with the severe claustrophobia that still afflicts her today.

Homeless and orphaned, Ororo, came under the tutelage of master thief Achmed el-Gibar. She became his prize pupil in thievery and in picking locks.

Years later, feeling a strong urge to go south, Ororo journeyed alone across the Sahara Desert and finally reached her ancestors' homeland, the Serengeti Plain, which lies in the modern nations of Kenya and Tanzania. By this time her mutant power to control the weather had emerged, and she used them to help the local tribes, who worshipped her as a goddess.

Ororo remained with the tribes for years until Professor Charles Xavier recruited her into the new team of X-Men he was assembling. She was given the code name "Storm" after her power to affect the weather. Except for brief periods away from the team, Storm has remained in the X-Men ever since and shares leadership of the X-Men with Cyclops.

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Height: 5 ft. 11 in.
Weight: 127 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: White

Flight speed: Subsonic (when propelled by winds)

Fighting skills: Excellent hand-to-hand combatant, trained by Wolverine

Special skills and abilities: Extraordinary ability at picking locks, excellent marksman with handguns

Known superhuman powers: Ororo is a mutant with the psionic ability to manipulate the weather over the entire planet and flight. When controlling weather elements, her eyes illuminate a white color and aura. She can manifest any degree of wind, temperature, lightning, storm, and all manner of precipitation, tornadoes and hurricanes. Storm actually has the ability to affect the weather on a cosmic scale, but does not because she is very environmentally conscious. She is arguably one of the most powerful mutants ever.

Storm is immune to all effects of weather: her body changes to compensate for the extremes she engineered; i.e. her body temperature would rise as she caused her surroundings to become cold. She has the ability to project, focus and aim force blasts of extreme electrical bolts from her hands or the sky using her elemental powers. At times, she has been able to use her ability to manipulate wind in a manner that resembles telekinesis, lifting massive objects and hurling them against opponents. She has even been known to stop projectiles such as bullets by using her ability to manipulate the wind.

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Aside from the abilities granted by her mutation, Ororo is highly intelligent and an able strategist and field commander of the X-Men. She also has some minor telepathic defenses ( creating intense electrical currents and indestructable pressure domes that can withstand a plane and cut through a mountain. Although not a criminal, her days as a thief have given her mastery of skills normally used by professional thieves, such as stealth, breaking into heavilly fortified areas and picking locks. She is also an excellent combatant in both armed and unarmed combat, having been instructed by Wolverine. Storm is a loyal, compassionate and brave warrior, and the most sophisticated and demure member of the X-Men.

Special limitations: Storm's psionic powers over the weather are affected by her emotions; hence, if she does not maintain control of her emotions, a fit of rage might induce a destructive storm. Also, Storm suffers from severe claustrophobia.

NOTE: In the Hollywood treatment of X-Men, "Storm" was played by Academy Award-winning Actress Halle Berry.

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Feel free to discuss anything related to Storm and/or Halle Berry. The poll attached will be changed periodically during debates when new photos or news is released.

Contributors: Tyrano, Electrix & Lightning Strikez

[PhoenixFire]

What I wish we could see is flying and air battles, but watching Spider-Man and the Matrix make me realize it would probably look very fake and very stupid.

I'll go with more lightning strikes, those are always neat.

[Pirateking]

Yes but if Bryan Singer does it right, they won't look fake and stupid. Maybe (in movieverse) Storm hasn't flown at all and doesn't kow that it's part of her powers. It could happen in X3 and amaze everyone.

[the a1ant]

In X1, it was lightning.

In X2, it was tornadoes.

In X3...gotta go bigger, so I say flying, or something really massive.

[WarBlade]

A whirling vortex of destruction full of ice shards and punctuated by flashes of lightning. Imagine a squad of sentinels getting peeled apart like tin cans, with electrical discharges and shorting exposed cicuitry throughout the image. :cool:

[memet]

i want everything on da list!!

[Endeavor]

More lightning would be cool. Maybe this time around see her fire a lightning bolt/ static charge? from her hands, instead of summoning lightning from a cloud like we saw in X1.

[demitri_vampiro]

i would like her to fly and do some air battles.

[PhoenixFire]

In Neverwinter Nights a wizard's spell called "Ice Storm" causes a massive rain of icicles to pummel an area.

It might be itneresting to see Storm do something like that.

[Endeavor]

^Would hail suffice?

[PhoenixFire]

Originally posted by Endeavor
^Would hail suffice?

I don't know, what makes using the spell so cool is watching all the ice shatter around you in clouds of glowing, blue-white frost, it's definitely one of my favorite visual effects in the whole game.

I think hail might end up not looking to different from the snowy wind Storm throws at Sabretooth in X-Men or the "ice-clone" she makes to chill Jason and the Professor out of Cerebro mode in X2.

But it does seem like Storm summoning more real life weather effects than shooting ice or lightning from her hands like in the comics is a trend in the films, and I like that.

So I'm still sticking with idea of some more lightning-summoning and maybe (only if it could be made to look amazingly life-like) flying.

Come to think of it, though, for some reason simply hovering/levitating manages to look fairly good on film (while flying does not) perhaps a sequence where Storm creates an updraft and floats up on it to hover really high in the sky, then channels a massive lightning bolt through herself into something else?

Other manifestations of lightning, like ball lightning and chain lightning might also look good.

[Endeavor]

^ When I mentioned her discharging electricity or static through her arms I was thinking of a quick shot in X1 in which you see currents coursing through her body. In fact when she comes out of the elevator shaft you can see some sparks emanating from her, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch from what has already been seen.

[chasers1984]

Originally posted by PhoenixFire
Come to think of it, though, for some reason simply hovering/levitating manages to look fairly good on film (while flying does not) perhaps a sequence where Storm creates an updraft and floats up on it to hover really high in the sky, then channels a massive lightning bolt through herself into something else?

I definitally agree with this. I know that a lot of people, including myself, would really love to see Storm go all out and fly in this movie.
The thing is.... Singer has already shown her character to have a lesser degree of control than is needed for the total "peter pan" type flight. The comic/cartoon fans know that Storm can fly because she is the all powerful master of weather and is able to use air currents to move herself through the air. Fans of the movie alone, however, don't know this. The character given to Storm in the movie is more toned down. She has control of wind currents and such; but only to the extent of flying up an elevator shaft.
If anything, I agree with Phoenix Fire in that they should just have her levitate herself up into the air and summon the weather. I think it would both look really cool and also be justifiable as far as the physics of it all go. I do think, though, that they will take advantage of her ability to hover short distances and show a lot more sequances of her doing so.

[TNC9852002]

I think if they include Storm in X3 that they'll definitely have her doing something we've never seen before..

I think flying with lightning bolts may be a bit of a stretch, but with some imagination and the right effects, it could look dazzling,..

-TNC

[Jack Rabbit]

If she does fly, it's have to be done very nicely done...

LIke, she can't just hover, or fly straight. People would critize it like made.

It'd be cool if she formed a twister around her, with lighting coming out of her eyes and crackling all over her body. She'd have to rise in a circular pattern, following the stream of the air, until she was in the center, still wavering and rising up and down. Then the twister moves, and Storm moves along with it...

[Mistopurr83]

I voted fly and air battle. I do also wanna see Storm throw lightning bolts out of her hands. She can create lightning in the comics. Flight and lightning are things she is well known for doing.

[chasers1984]

Originally posted by MidKnight
If she does fly, it's have to be done very nicely done...

LIke, she can't just hover, or fly straight. People would critize it like made.

It'd be cool if she formed a twister around her, with lighting coming out of her eyes and crackling all over her body. She'd have to rise in a circular pattern, following the stream of the air, until she was in the center, still wavering and rising up and down. Then the twister moves, and Storm moves along with it...

That would look really great. That's kind of like what i'm thinking will happen. As long as they don't just give her free reign of flight; ala phoenix style; it will look really great.

[shadowdog]

I jist want to see her create a malestrom- showing the true fury of the storm. Raun, wind and lightning- that would be a great scene to have her fly in too. She's be in complete control of the wind and lightning so she and the storm would be acting like they were one. it could be awesome.

[usagicassidy]

I wanna see it like really overcast and rainy and then she makes it sunny out! I think it'd be really cool to show her make it sunny and then say "there, that's better", then she dies cause the villian kills her while she's looking at the sun.

[FourHorsemen]

Since every time she's used lightening its came from the sky..
(Sabertooth, Toad, Nightcrawler) i doubt its going to come out of her hands next. I think Singer is just having it more believable in that way. Her powers arent evolving like Jeans are.

I would like to see a hail storm or ice nails or something like that occur.
Also if they break into a high security building she could create fog to make alarm lasers visible (ie. 1st x-men cartoon episode).

But basically I dont think most character's powers, that we've seen, would get more powerful. Just my 2 cents
:rolleyes:

[Endeavor]

She did that in the first movie, as they are approaching the Statue of Liberty she creates a thick fog to conceal the plane.

[PhoenixFire]

Yeah, so here's a list of things Storm's already done, to make it easier for us to dream up new things:

* Wind gusts - on Sabretooth when he attacks Wolvie's truck in X1, Toad when she glides out of the elevator in X1, part of waking the Professor out of Cerebro in X2.

* Lightning strikes - one Sabretooth in the trainstation in X1, Toad in the Statue of Liberty in X1, Nightcrawler's perch in the church in X2.

* Mist - To cover the jet's approach on Liberty Island in X1.

* Tornadoes - To throw off pursuit in the X2 dog fight.

* Cold - she summons icy winds inside Dark Cerebro in X2.

* Flight - she glides up and out of the elevator shaft in X1, nothing big.

* Thunderstorm - she summons one of these at the end of X2 to help intimidate the President of the United States, though we don't see much.

Some new ideas:

* Rain - though originally intended to summon rain to put Pyro's burning police cars in X2, it was decided that Rogue would solve the problem instead. Ergo, Storm has yet to visibly use rain to any effect.

Perhaps she could use rain, then cold, then wind to trip people up like she did to Jean in the beginning of X-tinction Agenda?

Other uses I can think of are as a visibility reducer or for quenching fires.

* Flying/Air Battle - a more grand sequence in which Storm manages to somehow fly would probably be appreciated by many. I still say it would have to be doen very, very carefully, though.

So far we've discussed her floating skyward in an updraft or lifting herself up in a tornado.

* Hail/Ice Storm - kind of like her antics in Dark Cerebro in X2 but more focussed on pummeling something with chunks of ice.

Hail can be pretty darn big sometimes - like tennis balls and grapefruits. Maybe she can beat someone down with it.

* Chain Lightning - a rare occurence when a stroke of lightning seems to break up into separate beads of electricity which persist for a short period of time.

This might be a neat effect, but it could also just seem strange to those who haven't noticed real chain lightning before.

The more typical understanding of the term "chain lightning" - lightning which jumps from target to target might look better. Just seeing her channel one stroke of lightning through several targets would also be cool.

* Ball Lightning - the actual existence of Ball lightning is scientifically unrecorded, and its verity is debateable. "It is reported to occur with or right after a nearby lightning stroke and is described as a luminous ball of light that floats along fences, rooftops, or through the open air. The jury is still out on ball lightning."

It might be interesting to see this, but it sounds kind of like chain lightning to me, and as its is scientifically unverified, it might be best to leave alone.

[Endeavor]

I'm really warming up to the hail idea. :D

[chasers1984]

Originally posted by usagicassidy
I wanna see it like really overcast and rainy and then she makes it sunny out! I think it'd be really cool to show her make it sunny and then say "there, that's better", then she dies cause the villian kills her while she's looking at the sun.

OK minus the idea of her death; I think that would look really cool. I mean the character of Storm portrayed in the movie would do that kind of thing. Great idea!!!

[Abaddon]

Originally posted by PhoenixFire

* Hail/Ice Storm - kind of like her antics in Dark Cerebro in X2 but more focussed on pummeling something with chunks of ice.

Hail can be pretty darn big sometimes - like tennis balls and grapefruits. Maybe she can beat someone down with it.




LOl!!

[Tyrano]

Originally posted by PhoenixFire
So far we've discussed her floating skyward in an updraft or lifting herself up in a tornado.

This is the only way I'd like to see her fly. I don't want it to look silly, it has to be done carefully. I like how she flew in X1 - they should do that for X3, but expand it a little bit, make the winds pull her up into the air levitate her, but not fly straight - that would look silly!

[PhoenixFire]

Originally posted by Tyrano
This is the only way I'd like to see her fly. I don't want it to look silly, it has to be done carefully. I like how she flew in X1 - they should do that for X3, but expand it a little bit, make the winds pull her up into the air levitate her, but not fly straight - that would look silly!

Yes, silly is a big problem.

If Storm does any more flying it should be clear that she is "windriding" and should be done with wirework, fans, and rig removal rather than CGI modelling or green screens so that it looks as "natural" as possible.

A CGI Storm is the last thing we need.

Given the mocking tone with which the writers refer to "everyone flying around" on the X2 DVD commentary and how Singer says he prefers using rig removal to CGI I think this is the most likely treatment we can expect.

[memet]

umm guys?
what im gonna say doesnt relate to this thread or x-men at all.
But do u's know where the site is to find out all the movie bugdets?

please!

[memet]

cuase ive been like trying to search for this website where u can c all these popular films and how much it cost to make them.

[PhoenixFire]

Here you go. (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/budgets.html)

[memet]

Ohh WOW!
Tanx alot!
ive been looking for dis website 4 ages.

[Ratcrawler]

I'll go with flying, but you know what I think might look nifty? If she got super pissed and made a storm come out of nowhere during a battle sequence and her face appeared in the clouds with lightening bolts shooting out of her eyes. Or maybe got a message to the rest of the group from far away by writing something in the clouds.

[chasers1984]

Originally posted by Ratcrawler
I'll go with flying, but you know what I think might look nifty? If she got super pissed and made a storm come out of nowhere during a battle sequence and her face appeared in the clouds with lightening bolts shooting out of her eyes. Or maybe got a message to the rest of the group from far away by writing something in the clouds.

ok her face in the clouds made me think of the scene in the Lion King where Mufasa comes to Simba in the clouds.

and the cloud writing thing actually sounds fun. it's up there with the idea of her causing bad weather just cuz she's really p*ssed off one day.

[deadStormfreak]

i want it 2 start of w/like a song in the background... have her be EXTREMELY ANGRY none of that motherly BS i wanna see a krazy ass STORM!!!! We would see the clouds moving fast,thunder then all of the sudden.... We see Storm take off, (no hovering) yes she flies using her winds but she does it very smoothly as if her powers were that 2 just naturally fly... anyways we see her fly really high n looking down n SCREAMING n laughing like KRAZY... all of the sudden we see a mixture of wind,lighting,hail,powerful rain, hit her enemy... her eyes flashing.. her becoming one w/her powers... then her shooting lightning from her hands... we then see little winds forming... mini tornadoes attack n destroy all the world... n have something for the song like (her song from X-men TAS) or a mixture of TRANCE/ROCK... something awesome for someone whoes awesome... n lots of flying!!!

[deadStormfreak]

oh yeah Storm should make like an electric forcefield around herself... that would be awesome....or a wind forcefield...

[Tyrano]

Originally posted by deadStormfreak
i want it 2 start of w/like a song in the background... have her be EXTREMELY ANGRY none of that motherly BS i wanna see a krazy ass STORM!!!! We would see the clouds moving fast,thunder then all of the sudden.... We see Storm take off, (no hovering) yes she flies using her winds but she does it very smoothly as if her powers were that 2 just naturally fly... anyways we see her fly really high n looking down n SCREAMING n laughing like KRAZY... all of the sudden we see a mixture of wind,lighting,hail,powerful rain, hit her enemy... her eyes flashing.. her becoming one w/her powers... then her shooting lightning from her hands... we then see little winds forming... mini tornadoes attack n destroy all the world... n have something for the song like (her song from X-men TAS) or a mixture of TRANCE/ROCK... something awesome for someone whoes awesome... n lots of flying!!!

I dunno..That sounds kinda far-fetched, and so does the whole her face in the coulds thing. Reminds me of imhotep's powers from the Mummy - that's just not Storm. I agree that she should fly and go all whacko with her powers, but I wouldn't want her to just fly up into the sky like superman - Remember, it has to be done carefully and realistic. Have the winds levitate her up like in X1, and then if she's to use lightning again, have the lightning come from he clouds, not her hands. Or what they could do is have the lightning hit her hands, absorbing the energy, and then her shooting it off at her opponent.

[Almighty Pejo]

Much better. She flies because she rides on the winds, so there would have to be a gust that lifts her and keeps her up. Her body serving as a lightning rod is also much more believable and closer to how her powers would really work, as opposed to just being able to generate it. Alot of people don't consider these things.

[the a1ant]

I think they screwed her power effects in X2 a bit. In X1 when she used lightning, her eyes always crackled w/ energy and went completley white.

In X2, it was just...sort of white w/ the pupils showing and no electricity during those scenes (Church/ Whitehouse scenes).

I always thought that was weird, and I miss that effect...but I guess it could've been for saving money.

I'll stop complaining though. Out of all the characters, Storm pretty much gets the most 'power' visuals in both films.

[the a1ant]

Originally posted by deadStormfreak
i want it 2 start of w/like a song in the background... have her be EXTREMELY ANGRY none of that motherly BS i wanna see a krazy ass STORM!!!! We would see the clouds moving fast,thunder then all of the sudden.... We see Storm take off, (no hovering) yes she flies using her winds but she does it very smoothly as if her powers were that 2 just naturally fly... anyways we see her fly really high n looking down n SCREAMING n laughing like KRAZY... all of the sudden we see a mixture of wind,lighting,hail,powerful rain, hit her enemy... her eyes flashing.. her becoming one w/her powers... then her shooting lightning from her hands... we then see little winds forming... mini tornadoes attack n destroy all the world... n have something for the song like (her song from X-men TAS) or a mixture of TRANCE/ROCK... something awesome for someone whoes awesome... n lots of flying!!!

LOL...yup. The only way I can see Storm flying in these films, is when she's pissed off. Cause her emotions take her powers to a whole 'nother level and it would make it a bit more believable when she goes in the air, because she's really letting loose w/ her powers.

Different from the comics, since Storm can be seen flying around the mansion for no reason...but I think it'd work best for the films, if she only flies when she goes beserk

I swear. A major reason that 'Lightning/ Toad' line in X1 didn't work (besides it being a horrible line in itself), is because Halle said it too calm and nice. She should've screamed it out!

"YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO A TOAD WHEN IT'S STRUCK BY LIGHTNING!?! OH...YOU WILL NOW!!!!" *crackle* *boom* :mad:

:D

[Grey Storm]

i'd like to see storm lose control. i have an idea for a really cool visual effect, but storm wouldn't be able to fly for too long, if at all. picture this: a huge fight sequence is taking place in an open area (outside). let's say against dark phoenix and a sentinel. all the characters are throwing all they have at the phoenix and the sentinel. (this part is optional) storm hovers up with the tornado/lightening idea from the earlier post, and begins shooting the lightening bolts at the phoenix(end of optional part). dark phoenix takes some damage and then hits storm with a massive telepathic blow, hurling storm to the ground below. storm survives the fall because the air current that was supporting her remained and made it so she didn't fall too hard. anyway (now, stay with me), storm lands inside a small 'something' that is sealed shut by 'something' heavy. here's an example: maybe where ever the battle is taking place, there would be a storm cellar (ironic), and she would fall inside it and something would fall on top of it, like a sentinel. anyway, since storm is claustrophobic, when she comes to,and realizes she is stuck in a small, dark space, she'd go nuts not knowing where she was or how to get out. as a result, in the space above the cellar, where the battle against the phoenix is taking place, her powers would be manifesting because she's losing composure and control of her powers. massive lightening, crazy snow storms, powerful winds, storm is screaming and scratching at the walls........ i can't clearly put into words what i see in my head, but it looks cool in there to me :) .

[Ratcrawler]

Oh yeah...Lion King references...

Storm: Logan! Remember who you are! You must take your place in the circle of life!


Suppose she was being followed or something, so she pulls up a thick fog that engulfs every... ah screw it.

[Hypestyle]

Singer hates "arbitrarily" flying folks.. so no "superman" style flying.. it's unfortunate, but..

[chasers1984]

Originally posted by Hypestyle
Singer hates "arbitrarily" flying folks.. so no "superman" style flying.. it's unfortunate, but..

We've been over this again and again... Unfortunately some ppl never process that reality...

[YJ1]

Being able to dial 1-800-COLLECT because hopefully all we'll get from her is a phone call. Halle Berry and her HUGE ego and HUGE paycheck needs to be cut from X3. Addition by subtraction is always a good thing. Bryan Singer has earned a grief free shoot.

[Dwarf lord]

more lightning! It is what everyone loves

[GoodyUK04]

Originally posted by Ratcrawler
I'll go with flying, but you know what I think might look nifty? If she got super pissed and made a storm come out of nowhere during a battle sequence and her face appeared in the clouds with lightening bolts shooting out of her eyes. Or maybe got a message to the rest of the group from far away by writing something in the clouds.

lol..Ill get you dorathy and your little dog to!!!!!!

[GoodyUK04]

seen as though everyone is having ago of writing their own 'Storm Moment' i will to.......err humm

All the x-men are at alkali lake after Charles Xaivier sences Jeans Brainwaves. They are looking over a peaceful lake until......A bright glowing light comes from beneath the water. They shield their eyes. Out comes Dark Pheonix like a stripper from a birthday cake.

They are amazed. Scott shouts 'JEAN!' The Phoniex looks and the X-men are overjoyed until......She throws a huge fire ball at them. They all dodge it by flinging themself wherever,teleporting,apart from Xaivier who is in his wheelchair. The get up and decided that there little puppy had turned into a mean bulldog. They then all attack at the same time but phoniex reflects them all.

Nightcrawler and Rogue decided that the Phoniex wont be as strong if her power is reduced. So nightcrawler teleports Rogue to Phoinex who is hovering some way away. Rogue jumps on Phoniex and drains 1% of her power before phoinex throws her down towards the lake below. but Rogue has stolen some power and she flies....yes flies back to phoinex and they have a little conversation about i dont want to do this balh blah blah. Phoniex make quick work of Rogue but at least he gave the fans what they wanted....Rouge flying.

Cyclops doesnt want to fire his beams at her so he tries to bring Jean back and help her destroy the Phoniex. it nearly works but then Phoinex comes back and blasts Cyclops and Wolverine. the X-men with no long range powers and hopeless against the phoniex until.......a sentinal comes and Wolverine, Beast, Iceman and Colossus attack that while Storm,Nightcrawler,Cyclops, Knocked out Rogue and Fried Xaivier are left to tackle the phoinex.

STORM MOMENT.

Storm-- What can we do she is unstopable.

Nightcrawler-- I believe in you.

Cyclops-- Remeber jean is still there.

Storm---Ok!


Storm's eyes go white and thunder clouds appear. Lightning strikes Phoinex with little effect.

Phoinex-- Is that all you've got Storm! Ha Dont make me laugh.

Phoniex then picks Storm up with her mind and throws her towards the rubble of the dam. She encases Storm in hundreds of tonnes of rubble and rock........the sky turns blue again.

Nightcrawler--Theres no hope........

{sad music----death of storm......until.......)

All of a sudden the lightning appeares to come from know where and the skies turn black. Everyone looks towards the rubble and it begins to shake. Storm flies out sending the rocks flying. Then Storm flies over to Phoinex....Angry.

There is lightning everwhere.

Phoinex-- Back for more are we?

Storm-- Yes!

Phoinex-- Well weather girl you and the sky can stop me! Nothing can stop me! Hahahahahaha.....Ha

Storm-- You odviously dont know me then do you?


Storm hovering. She then begins to make a tornado....but in the lake----A TYPHOON ( something unique and not used before)

The typhoon then moves towards Phoinex at the speed of light.


Storm--This ill put you out B***h


The Typhoon then engulfs Phoniex and a Cry is heared. Storm then flies down and the typhoon dissapers. Cyclops starts crying.

Just as you think its all over ( fast forward >>>>>>>) the phoinex comes back...charles xaivier uses his mind to help jean get rid of the phoinex.....she does and Jean is back.

Colossus,Beast,Wolverine and iceman destroy the sentinal by whatever mean nessasary and they all are happy and fly of into the sunset and live happily ever after......until......(lol)......a load of sentinals are waiting for them back at the institute....but that is another storey....well X4

Hope you likes it.....it had Rogue flying, Storm kicking butt, gange rape ona sentinal and emotion the others have lacked in......if you have any problems or want to correct anything the do.....

my hand hurts

[Tyrano]

an angry storm versus phoenix is a good fight to see in X3!! And I like ur idea ^

[Gun Mage]

Originally posted by GoodyUK04
seen as though everyone is having ago of writing their own 'Storm Moment' i will to.......err humm

All the x-men are at alkali lake after Charles Xaivier sences Jeans Brainwaves. They are looking over a peaceful lake until......A bright glowing light comes from beneath the water. They shield their eyes. Out comes Dark Pheonix like a stripper from a birthday cake.

They are amazed. Scott shouts 'JEAN!' The Phoniex looks and the X-men are overjoyed until......She throws a huge fire ball at them. They all dodge it by flinging themself wherever,teleporting,apart from Xaivier who is in his wheelchair. The get up and decided that there little puppy had turned into a mean bulldog. They then all attack at the same time but phoniex reflects them all.

Nightcrawler and Rogue decided that the Phoniex wont be as strong if her power is reduced. So nightcrawler teleports Rogue to Phoinex who is hovering some way away. Rogue jumps on Phoniex and drains 1% of her power before phoinex throws her down towards the lake below. but Rogue has stolen some power and she flies....yes flies back to phoinex and they have a little conversation about i dont want to do this balh blah blah. Phoniex make quick work of Rogue but at least he gave the fans what they wanted....Rouge flying.

Cyclops doesnt want to fire his beams at her so he tries to bring Jean back and help her destroy the Phoniex. it nearly works but then Phoinex comes back and blasts Cyclops and Wolverine. the X-men with no long range powers and hopeless against the phoniex until.......a sentinal comes and Wolverine, Beast, Iceman and Colossus attack that while Storm,Nightcrawler,Cyclops, Knocked out Rogue and Fried Xaivier are left to tackle the phoinex.

STORM MOMENT.

Storm-- What can we do she is unstopable.

Nightcrawler-- I believe in you.

Cyclops-- Remeber jean is still there.

Storm---Ok!


Storm's eyes go white and thunder clouds appear. Lightning strikes Phoinex with little effect.

Phoinex-- Is that all you've got Storm! Ha Dont make me laugh.

Phoniex then picks Storm up with her mind and throws her towards the rubble of the dam. She encases Storm in hundreds of tonnes of rubble and rock........the sky turns blue again.

Nightcrawler--Theres no hope........

{sad music----death of storm......until.......)

All of a sudden the lightning appeares to come from know where and the skies turn black. Everyone looks towards the rubble and it begins to shake. Storm flies out sending the rocks flying. Then Storm flies over to Phoinex....Angry.

There is lightning everwhere.

Phoinex-- Back for more are we?

Storm-- Yes!

Phoinex-- Well weather girl you and the sky can stop me! Nothing can stop me! Hahahahahaha.....Ha

Storm-- You odviously dont know me then do you?


Storm hovering. She then begins to make a tornado....but in the lake----A TYPHOON ( something unique and not used before)

The typhoon then moves towards Phoinex at the speed of light.


Storm--This ill put you out B***h


The Typhoon then engulfs Phoniex and a Cry is heared. Storm then flies down and the typhoon dissapers. Cyclops starts crying.

Just as you think its all over ( fast forward >>>>>>>) the phoinex comes back...charles xaivier uses his mind to help jean get rid of the phoinex.....she does and Jean is back.

Colossus,Beast,Wolverine and iceman destroy the sentinal by whatever mean nessasary and they all are happy and fly of into the sunset and live happily ever after......until......(lol)......a load of sentinals are waiting for them back at the institute....but that is another storey....well X4

Hope you likes it.....it had Rogue flying, Storm kicking butt, gange rape ona sentinal and emotion the others have lacked in......if you have any problems or want to correct anything the do.....

my hand hurts

Sweet! Now would definantly be something I'd like to see! Ever think about script writing?! ;)

[poperdickular09]

SORRY IF THIS POST RUINS THE POLL GOING ON BUT IN THE ORIGINAL CARTOON OF THE X-MEN STORM ALREADY FLYIES DOSE ANYONE ELSE WATCH OR USETO WATCH THE ORIGINAL CARTOON?
:(

[phoephoe]

I'd like to see something new and amazing but I would also like to see her fly. I think Bryan Singer has his reasons for not doing the flying bit but I don't know why. Maybe he thinks it wont be able to be done with out making her look cheesy or something.

[poperdickular09]

umm what did i say she did fly in the origional cartoon "X-men" she did fly and fight in the air. wow you can be thick headed some times............

[phoephoe]

I'm aware that she flew in the cartoons and I own them on VCD so I am quite aware. We are discussing the ****MOVIE**** Bryan Singer has this thing against flying and it has to do with the fact that he doesn't think it could be done with out looking cheesy. I just want them to work a way out so it doesn't. She kind of flew in X-1 but it was more like levetating up the elevator shaft. Thick headedness is not reading what the original topic is about. I think if you want to discuss cartoons start a thread don't go complain because you think were all idiots.

[Gun Mage]

I think they should pull out all the stops for Storm's powers, give her the flying ability and finally getting her to cutloose with her powers. She doesn't nearly seem as powerful in the movie as she does in the comics.

[PhoenixFire]

None of the characters do, save maybe for Xavier.

[the a1ant]

I wanna see Storm actually fight with her hands, like in the earlier comics. :D

If they tell Halle that they'll make her fly, and fight hand-to-hand I'm sure she'll back, lol...cause that's what she's been begging for.

[Kmack]

It is kind of senseless to have a big black cape and can't use it.

[wolverine&rogue]

I would like to see a flying battle probably with Dark Phoenix.

[Electrix]

Stop! Before you say 'not another Storm/Halle Thread'...dont. This thread's purpose is to stop all of the 'Halle/Storm' threads from cluttering up the X3 forum. If there are any new developments/rumours/interviews regarding Halle, Storm and X3...post them here!
With X3's ball rolling news will be coming nearly every week and we cant have Storm/Halle Threads making the forum look untidy.If another Storm/Halle Thread is make do not respond to it and let it die as people are getting annoyed with them, I for one! If anyone has anything to say about Halle/Storm being in X3 then here is the place to put it....Dont! I repeat dont start a new thread!


So....I hear Halle is in 'negotiations' and they will begin shooting within the next few months, hows everyone feel about that chance that Halle will come back as Storm?

PS) The is already a Storm Re-casting Thread so dont post any of your suggestions here.... :)

[snwboarder88]

haha great thread electric...im excited about x3, and i fell halle will def. be back...this is going to be a big big movie, and i dont see why any of the actors would not want to reprise their role...

[TheVileOne]

Plain and simple. At this point, Halle needs X-men more than X-men needs her.

[Electrix]

To add another hit to her list wouldnt do her any harm. Her last two project have been successful, Robots and Their Eyes Were Watching God.

[The Storm]

I really want to see Halle back and I'm sure that she will be. Haven't had the chance to see Robots yet and I'm not sure which UK channel with show Their Eyes Were Watching God. Thanks for the thread!

[Lightning Strykez!]

She really needs to come back.

Oh and VileOne--no, Fox definitely needs her more than the former. She already has a full slate of films to shoot, so if she can squeeze X3 in, it would be awesome.

Besides, hate her, or believe it or not, but of all the actresses in this film, Halle is STILL the highest paid Oscar Winner, as well as the biggest box office draw that will put asses in those theatre seats...she appeals to the largest range of demographics.

[The Storm]

And she's black!!! I'm always loved Storm because she was the first African American (politcally correct) super hero that I had seen. Then to cast Halle as her was great made me want to watch the films even more.

[gap5ewl]

halle for x3!

[kittykatkr]

I want Halle Berry in this movie, I wish they would confirm something already!

[fallenAngel]

halle for x3!

Is that her new campaign slogan........you know shes not running for anything right.

[Kmack]

I said it a thousand times and I'll say it again. I hope Halle comes back as Storm, recasts suck:p

[Electrix]

I agree...

PS) There are currently 43 people on the X3 Forum and thats the most i've ever seen :up:

[Kmack]

Back in the day there used to be more than that:xmen:

[Jan Irisi]

I agree...

PS) There are currently 43 people on the X3 Forum and thats the most i've ever seen :up:

There was one time I saw over 200, but it may have been a fluke. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that number.

[fallenAngel]

Good these threads have been really boring for a while.

[kittykatkr]

Good these threads have been really boring for a while.

would you like me to start a halle berry/storm appreciation thread sweetie? :)
JK

[fallenAngel]

would you like me to start a halle berry/storm appreciation thread sweetie? :)
JK

Stop it, don't even joke.......I'm not kidding. :p

[TheVileOne]

Robots was NOT Halle Berry's project and she was not detrimental to the success of that film. In fact her character in that movie was a fairly insignificant and minor character that didn't really do or say jack.

I still don't see the proof that she is the biggest draw either.

[kittykatkr]

the biggest draws are hugh jackman and halle berry.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Robots was NOT Halle Berry's project and she was not detrimental to the success of that film. In fact her character in that movie was a fairly insignificant and minor character that didn't really do or say jack.

I still don't see the proof that she is the biggest draw either.

You've got to be kidding me.

>sigh< You asked for it.

Which of the following names do you think is the BIGGEST household name in America? Choices: Famke. Anna. Rebecca. Halle.

Who is capable of getting both the African American, minority AND caucasian audiences to appreciate/pay for a film singlehandedly? Halle.

Who's face do you think is the most easily identifiable from Hollywood to the mascara that women wear everyday?? Halle.

And which of these actresses is actually capable of carrying whole films on their own? Halle.

Which actress of those 4 acquired GLOBAL distinction as the first Black Woman to ever recieve the leading Oscar for Best Actress? Halle.

Now, add up the total box office draws for Famke, Anna and Rebecca and you'll find your answer. :rolleyes:

Solution: Halle tops all of them--even with the miserable Catwoman in the mix.

So...uh...who needs who again???

[the a1ant]

The top four X-Men actors, who are well-known, and box-office draws, are:

Patrick Stewart
Ian McKellan
Halle Berry
and
Hugh Jackman

In America, Halle Berry is the most marketable actress, out of the bunch, with Hugh Jackman following through, IMO. In case of advertising, Halle and Hugh were the biggest draw, and the main focus for the posters, etc. In the case of coverage on entertainment shows, Halle, Hugh, and Rebecca Romijn are the ones shown the most.

Overseas, Ian McKellan is the biggest marketable draw, with Patrick Stewart, and Halle Berry (once again) following though.

[TheVileOne]

You've got to be kidding me.

Which of the following names do you think is the BIGGEST household name in America? Who is capable of getting both the African American, minority AND caucasion audiences to appreciate/pay for a film singlehandedly. Who's face do you think is the most easily identifiable from Hollywood to the mascara that women wear everyday?? And which of these actresses is actually capable of carrying whole films on their own? Then, add up the total box office draws for Famke, Anna and Rebecca and you'll find your answer. :rolleyes:

Halle tops all of them--even with the miserable Catwoman in the mix.

Charlize Theron...she's South African :D .

[Lightning Strykez!]

Charlize Theron...she's South African :D .

Charlize isn't in X2. And sorry, she's not going to draw multicultural audiences.

Fox needs Halle for diversity--she is appreciated by males of EVERY color out there...she's just that universally accepted. Anna, Famke, and Rebecca--though beautiful--have not consistently landed People Magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People In The World or Barbara Walter's Most Intriguing People Of The Year.

Say what you want, but Fox NEEDS Halle for this project.

[kittykatkr]

Halle is gorgeous and everybody I know who sees the movies go partly due in fact cause she is in them and is Storm. A lot of people loved her in X2. She is one of the reasons I liked the movies aswell. The only other popular female in the movie is Rebecca Romijn, a lot of people know who she is. People may recognize Famke and Anna but they do not draw in a huge crowd.

[rattlerbrat]

Plain and simple. At this point, Halle needs X-men more than X-men needs her.

*scribbles out a co-sign*

Halle...is appreciated by males of EVERY color out there...

And heaven knows you're only considered beautiful when WHITE men think you're hot! Gee, what an honor!

If Fox needs Halle so badly, why haven't they signed her? Why haven't they said, "Yes, Halle! Anything you say, Halle! You're right, Halle! You want a bigger part and more concentration for Storm, Halle? You got it!" ? This project does NOT need her. The film will coast on the X-Men name alone. And Halle has destroyed Storm so much that ANYONE playing Storm in X3 is only going to attract a small group of people. Point blank: no one cares anymore! Haven't you noticed that Halle only brings up Storm when the press isn't talking about her? It's her trump card! And one of these days, it's going to blow up in her face. I'd rather see NO STORM than Halle playing her again.

[Nathaniel_Essex]

i think halle could do the role if it were written better, or maybe she needs to take it upon herself to become better aquainted with the character. anyone who isnt familiar with storm or any other x-character should check out their spotlight on uncannyxmen.net

[Lightning Strykez!]

If Fox needs Halle so badly, why haven't they signed her? Why haven't they said, "Yes, Halle! Anything you say, Halle! You're right, Halle! You want a bigger part and more concentration for Storm, Halle? You got it!" ? This project does NOT need her. The film will coast on the X-Men name alone. And Halle has destroyed Storm so much that ANYONE playing Storm in X3 is only going to attract a small group of people. Point blank: no one cares anymore! Haven't you noticed that Halle only brings up Storm when the press isn't talking about her? It's her trump card! And one of these days, it's going to blow up in her face. I'd rather see NO STORM than Halle playing her again.

Why haven't they signed Patrick, Ian or Anna for that matter? Her not being signed is inconsequential with regards to this point. In fact, that she is still in negotiations proves that Fox is keen on having her back--they've already said so, and so did Lauren Shuler Donner.

As far as destruction of the character, I'm going to say this again:

If one has seen Queen, Gothika, The Dorothy Dandrige Story, Monster's Ball, Losing Isaiah, Their Eyes Were Watching God--really any of Halle's darker dramatic roles it's apparent that she is more than capable of bringing true fire to any role. It's what's she known for. Even critics will give her "sheer feistiness" in their reviews of the debacle Catwoman.

The way Storm was portrayed thusfar in the films is clearly in the direction and the script. The lines they gave her were terrible, and her delivery of them was directed to match. While I'm not in the Hollywood industry, I've studied it enough to know that actors--while able to bring some creative input to a role--are mostly at the mercy of a director when it comes to what kind of vibe they portray. Halle is well aware of the Goddess/Warrior/Leader that Storm is, and that's why she's constantly been at odds with Singer to get the character to be more in line with the comic's counterpart.

You might stop to consider: From day 1 Halle has said that she "admired the character because she is a strong Black Woman."(direct quote) Now, Halle has always played "strong black" female characters convincingly before and since X-Men. So why the hell would she abruptly stop doing what she does so well ONLY in the X-Men franchise?????? The answer?

Director. Writing team. Simple.

I've read the scripts...and they called for this "meekness", which shows that either the writers, editors, Singer--or all of the above--didn't understand the Storm character in the first place.

One that has seen Halle in dramatic roles outside of Singer's will readily agree that Halle herself was "out of character" when playing Storm.

[TNC9852002]

i think halle could do the role if it were written better, or maybe she needs to take it upon herself to become better aquainted with the character.
From the articles in which she speaks of Storm, there's no reason to think that she doesn't know what Storm is now all about...Before and during X-Men 1, she only knew what they told her about Storm...Wasn't it Bryan Singer who told the cast not to go reading the comic books so they can learn more about their characters or somethin?

-TNC

[rattlerbrat]

If one has seen Queen, Gothika, The Dorothy Dandrige Story, Monster's Ball, Losing Isaiah, Their Eyes Were Watching God--really any of Halle's darker dramatic roles it's apparent that she is more than capable of bringing true fire to any role.

You're...serious?

[Lightning Strykez!]

You're...serious?

Like a heart attack.

[rattlerbrat]

Wow. If that's your idea of good acting then I honestly don't know what to say. I wouldn't be able to argue with someone who loves the small of feces, either.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow. If that's your idea of good acting then I honestly don't know what to say. I wouldn't be able to argue with someone who loves the small of feces, either.

>sigh<

Still crude and dismissive, eh Rattler? And here I thought some time apart from eachother would heal the wounds in our relationship at SHH. What was I thinking? :rolleyes:

Back on topic: there's a reason why Halle is the one of the highest-paid and most sought-after actresses in Hollywood. There's a reason why critics and audiences are drawn to her. And there's a reason why she is the most successful black actress of our time. Somebody out there likes her. And something tells me that it's millions upon millions of "somebodies" too. :cool:

So no...you wouldn't be able to argue with all of them.

[rattlerbrat]

>sigh<

Still crude and dismissive, eh Rattler?

I don't see anything crude or dismissive about my statement. I'm saying that if you honestly believe that your examples constitute "good acting", then I can't even argue with you. "Crude and dismissive" would be asking you what 4th rate exposure to movies you've had and saying something like "If you think Halle is an example of a good black actress, then obviously the only thing you've seen black women do onscreen is porn." I'm trying to be neutral to your tastes here.

And here I thought some time apart from eachother would heal the wounds in our relationship at SHH.

We have no wounds and there is no relationship.

Back on topic: there's a reason why Halle is the one of the highest-paid and most sought-after actresses in Hollywood.

Yup. Because white men like her.

There's a reason why critics and audiences are drawn to her.

Since when? Look at her Rotten Tomatoes score - Halle has ALWAYS been pissed on by critics. Massa's Balls was a fluke.

And there's a reason why she is the most successful black actress of our time.

Successful, yes. Talented? Not by a long shot.

Somebody out there likes her. And something tells me that it's millions upon millions of "somebodies" too. :cool:

So you're saying that fame and talent are equalivalent? Because ALL good actors are famous, right? And Hollywood has NEVER produced hacks?

And if Halle Berry were my skin tone, she'd be selling real estate.

[Lightning Strykez!]

:rolleyes:


Moving on...

[rattlerbrat]

Please do.

For anyone else: if you want to believe that Halle Berry is a critics darling, then check this out (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/halle_berry/). Halle's only decent films are ones where she is a minor player (with the exception of Monster's Ball, of course). I mean, it's fine to like the woman, but let's not throw facts to the wind.

[Lightning Strykez!]

From the articles in which she speaks of Storm, there's no reason to think that she doesn't know what Storm is now all about...Before and during X-Men 1, she only knew what they told her about Storm...Wasn't it Bryan Singer who told the cast not to go reading the comic books so they can learn more about their characters or somethin?

-TNC


That's correct. In addition to the fact that he had to fight with Fox about adding Storm to the roster in the first place (Fox wanted diversity but Bryan said he didn't care for the character).

But it appears that some of the cast members, including Halle didn't exactly take his "orders" to heart. She obviously educated herself and her comments reflect it.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Please do.

For anyone else: if you want to believe that Halle Berry is a critics darling, then check this out (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/halle_berry/). Halle's only decent films are ones where she is a minor player (with the exception of Monster's Ball, of course). I mean, it's fine to like the woman, but let's not throw facts to the wind.

The "fact" of the matter is that Halle Berry has landed the role of Storm.

Period.

She's had it now for six years and *****ing about it is not going to change that reality. Bashing her relentlessly is not going to impact her signing that dotted line, nor dampen Fox's and the fan's enthusiasm to get her back.

By the way, www.rottentomatoes.com is but one source of critiquing. There are many, many others, the most important of which are found in the movie-going public itself.

[rattlerbrat]

Says a lot about a man when he breaks his own word in less than an hour.

The "fact" of the matter is that Halle Berry has landed the role of Storm.

Period.

So?

She's had it now for six years and *****ing about it is not going to change that reality.

But it makes me happy. And honestly? That's all that matters.

Bashing her relentlessly is not going to impact her signing that dotted line, nor dampen Fox's and the fan's enthusiasm to get her back.

You mean Halle's enthusiasm to get the role back. I haven't seen Fox do much of anything. And it's been that way since '03, I believe.

By the way, www.rottentomatoes.com is but one source of critiquing. There are many, many others...

*SNORT* RT.com accumlates nearly every written professional movie review of Hollywood films and takes the average score. It is not a "small collection" of reviews. You can turn your back on the facts all you want to, but the bottom line is that Halle Berry has NEVER been a critics favorite.

...the most important of which are found in the movie-going public itself.

Right. And Halle's Storm performance has been ballyhooed by the fans just as much as the critics. The only people who think that Halle makes a good Storm are Halle fans - and only a select group at that. Hell, I've heard the most RABID Halle fans say "this role simply isn't for her". That does NOT reflect on Halle as an actress - I'm sure Angela Bassett couldn't have done Dorothy Dandridge, either. Nona Gaye would make a lousy Foxy Brown. Gina Torres would never be able to carry Betty Shabazz. It's KNOWING this and KNOWING when to walk away (Catwoman, anyone?) that could possibly save you from being a laughinstock.

What I'll never understand is why people who call themselves Storm fans are so *quick* to defend a woman who only plays the Storm card when it's convinient for HER. When Catwoman was filming, Halle SAID that the role of Storm was no longer her priority. So why kiss her ass?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Interesting to note this too: Queen isn't even rated on Rottentomatoes, and The Dorothy Dandridge Story isn't even listed. These pieces of work are what really launched Halle as an actress to reckon with...and yet they are not represented here. Only the Hollywood "pop confections" are.

So like I said, I wouldn't rely so heavily on that particular collection of reviews.

[rattlerbrat]

Interesting to note this too: Queen isn't even rated on Rottentomatoes, and The Dorothy Dandridge Story isn't even listed.

They're television flicks. No need to put them there. Maybe Halle should stick with the small screen, since nearly all of her so-called strong performances are there.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Says a lot about a man when he breaks his own word in less than an hour.

You edited your post. I responded to the edited portion, because it was the only thing worth replying to.

So?



But it makes me happy. And honestly? That's all that matters.

Actually, no it doesn't matter...at all. Why? Because neither Fox, Halle or any of us really give a damn. And that's a fact. ;)



You mean Halle's enthusiasm to get the role back. I haven't seen Fox do much of anything. And it's been that way since '03, I believe.

Several reports on this and other sites have said that Fox is keen on getting her back, and writing a script that will cater more to the character.


*SNORT* RT.com accumlates nearly every written professional movie review and takes the average score.

Her most controversial films are not taken into account at all. And even if they were, exactly what kind of people do you think are reviewing these films anyway? Those that can actually relate to the struggle??? Save it.


Right. And Halle's Storm performance has been ballyhooed by the fans just as much as the critics. The only people who think that Halle makes a good Storm are Halle fans - and only a select group at that. Hell, I've heard the most RABID Halle fans say "this role simply isn't for her". That does NOT reflect on Halle as an actress - I'm sure Angela Bassett couldn't have done Dorothy Dandridge, either. Nona Gaye would make a lousy Foxy Brown. Gina Torres would never be able to carry Betty Shabazz. It's KNOWING this and KNOWING when to walk away (Catwoman, anyone?) that could possibly save you from being a laughinstock.

I for one, never said that Halle made a good Storm. She is definitely not my first choice. But just because she's not suited for the role doesn't give me the go-ahead and bash every work she's done. "Storm" does not define Halle's acting ability IMO (and she certainly doesn't define the character--at all).

What I'll never understand is why people who call themselves Storm fans are so *quick* to defend a woman who only plays the Storm card when it's convinient for HER. When Catwoman was filming, Halle SAID that the role of Storm was no longer her priority. So why kiss her ass?

I can't speak for anyone else. Personally, I didn't support Halle in the Catwoman film, nor did I support Halle in the Storm role either--she looks nothing like a passable Storm--too fair-complexioned, too short, too soft. But that's not to take away from her talents--I do enjoy her in other roles and that's why I am confident that if it were directed/written correctly she could have the potential to shine in the role. The chops are there in my opinion.

What I'll never understand is why people are so "quick" to assign alterior motives to this actress whenever she says something positive about the "Storm" character?

I see none of the other cast members being scrutinized this unfairly. The bottom line is, a lot of folks simply have a hard-on for this actress no matter how well she does--and they will continue to bash her until they drop dead.

[kittykatkr]

yeah i cant believe people on here bash her so much.

[rattlerbrat]

Save it.

No.

Actually, no it doesn't matter...at all. Why? Because neither Fox, Halle or any of us really give a damn. And that's a fact.

If it didn't matter, Halle would be back. They would just throw her right back in there. She's not. Why? Because there's a conflict on whether she's wanted. And why's that? Because the critics don't want her and the fans don't want her. I'd say our opinions count. As much as Halle fans want to believe that HALLE is the one holding up the proceedings, that simply isn't true. More than once, she has pleaded with the FANS to write Fox and have her reinstated. It must not have worked too well. And if Halle is such a box office draw, how come the only thing people talk about when it comes to Halle is IF SHE IS DOING STORM? STORM is the big deal here - NOT Halle! Halle NEEDS Storm. Not vice versa.

Several reports on this and other sites have said that Fox is keen on getting her back, and writing a script that will cater more to the character.

That's odd...the ones I've read say that the script has been written to drop Storm at a second's notice, if need be. Doesn't sound like she's a priority to me. And didn't Fox TRY that with X2? And didn't Halle not only fail, but fail even MORE SO? I gave her a pass for X1. I forgave her for X1. But X2? No excuse for that.

I see none of the other cast members being scrutinized this unfairly.

Wow, I wonder why that is? Could it be that the other cast members gave passable to good to great performances, maybe?

[Lightning Strykez!]

No.



Wow, I wonder why that is? Could it be that the other cast members gave passable to good to great performances, maybe?

I will never argue that Halle gave the weakest performance of the cast.

But I will argue that it was solely her fault, or that it is a testament to her acting prowess. There are other variables to consider, and too many around here refuse to look outside the box and just bash the actress for the hell of it.

[kittykatkr]

i didnt think halle gave the worst performance... especially not in the last film! and i know a lot of people would agree. everyone loved her in X2, they gave her some cool little stuff to do. she is far from the worst actor in the x-men series

[rattlerbrat]

everyone loved her in X2

Really? I didn't, so that kills your argument right there. Hell, the night I went to see X2, the crowd groaned and booed every time she came on-screen (which led to quite a bit of groaning). When she first came down the stairs, I dared to yell, "MAKE ME FEEEEL GOOD!" and the whole crowd laughed. If everyone "loved her" as you claimed, I would've had popcorn on my head.

And please don't make me start pulling up X-Men reviews with critics calling Storm the weak link. In fact, can we even find five reviews with critics saying she did a good job? I'm not saying it's not possible - I'm saying I'll be surprised.

Out of curiousity, Kit, if you don't think Halle was the worst, who do you think was the worst?

[Lightning Strykez!]

No.



That's odd...the ones I've read say that the script has been written to drop Storm at a second's notice, if need be. Doesn't sound like she's a priority to me. And didn't Fox TRY that with X2? And didn't Halle not only fail, but fail even MORE SO? I gave her a pass for X1. I forgave her for X1. But X2? No excuse for that.

Not so fast.

They are prepped to drop the character only if she refuses the role. They've made that crystal clear that they don't want to recast--so that's not an indication that they don't want Halle per se.

From what I understand Storm has a good chunk of the script currently, so it's obvious they are trying to do the character some justice. If Halle is wise, she will take the role, but if she doesn't it is still Fox's loss because Storm's fanbase is huge.

And the general consensus is that she vastly improved in X2.

Wow, I wonder why that is? Could it be that the other cast members gave passable to good to great performances, maybe?

.....responding to more edits.

[kittykatkr]

i didnt think any of them were bad but i really thought halle improved in x2 from x1. i in no way think she is the weakest link. and i know not everyone loved her, but all of my friends and people i know who saw the movie did... and a whole majority. she may not be the best actress but she is far from the worst and doesnt deserve all the bashing. go bash paris hilton or something. :)

[Nathaniel_Essex]

heh heh.. paris hilton could be in XXX-3, with nightvision powers rotflmao

[rattlerbrat]

They are prepped to drop the character only if she refuses the role.

Riiiight, because all we're waiting for is Halle to say "yes". It's sad that the franchise is so concerned about not recasting that they're willing to let a mistake on screen for the third time. But it's cool, though. Every time Halle plays Storm, critics have a field day.

And the general consensus is that she vastly improved in X2.

If I run a mile in 15 minutes and then run a mile in 12 minutes...the bottom line is that I'm still slow as hell and need to get off the track. The best thign about Halle in X2 was Alan Cumming. He downright saved her ass.

[Lightning Strykez!]

No.



If it didn't matter, Halle would be back. They would just throw her right back in there. She's not. Why? Because there's a conflict on whether she's wanted. And why's that? Because the critics don't want her and the fans don't want her. I'd say our opinions count. As much as Halle fans want to believe that HALLE is the one holding up the proceedings, that simply isn't true. More than once, she has pleaded with the FANS to write Fox and have her reinstated. It must not have worked too well. And if Halle is such a box office draw, how come the only thing people talk about when it comes to Halle is IF SHE IS DOING STORM? STORM is the big deal here - NOT Halle! Halle NEEDS Storm. Not vice versa.

What are you talking about? There is no "conflict" that she is wanted. What the hell? Both Tom De Santo, Avi, Kevin Fiege and Lauren Shuler Donner have all been quoted as wanting her back in the role. And as I mentioned, Patrick, Ian and James have yet to sign on as well. Is there "conflict" there as well? :rolleyes:

And when did Halle ask for a petition to be signed?? I don't recall that being inspired by anyone but rabid fans. At that point Halle had seven films lined up, she was not concerned with the then-iffy X3.

I agree though about the desire to see Storm. Storm does not need Halle--she needs to be the Weather Goddess we all know, no matter who plays her. We want to see our character, and while we may not be satisfied with her portrayal, many of us will be damned if they cut her out.



That's odd...the ones I've read say that the script has been written to drop Storm at a second's notice, if need be. Doesn't sound like she's a priority to me. And didn't Fox TRY that with X2? And didn't Halle not only fail, but fail even MORE SO? I gave her a pass for X1. I forgave her for X1. But X2? No excuse for that.



Wow, I wonder why that is? Could it be that the other cast members gave passable to good to great performances, maybe?\\

Responding to more edits.... :o

[Nathaniel_Essex]

actually, if you keep running, you get your time down farther, but i dont think this is a battle i want to get into

[rattlerbrat]

go bash paris hilton or something. :)

Sorry, but it's Halle hatred that keeps me warm on a winter's night! (Well, that and brandy and whoever I'm dating at the time. But when I'm manless and drinkless, the hate works just fine!)

]Oh, wow. We went waaaaay back in time to get those! Hey, you know what? If Halle was wanted, we'd have Halle. Period.

And as I mentioned, Patrick, Ian and James have yet to sign on as well. Is there "conflict" there as well?

There may be. There may not be. I have no idea. They may have other film projects to consider. They may not want to come back. But we DO know that HALLE is the one who has publicly pissed on her role, had caused conflict on the set, and held up X2.

[kittykatkr]

Sorry, but it's Halle hatred that keeps me warm on a winter's night! (Well, that and brandy and whoever I'm dating at the time. But when I'm manless and drinkless, the hate works just fine!)

but why do you hate her so? :(

[Lightning Strykez!]

When she first came down the stairs, I dared to yell, "MAKE ME FEEEEL GOOD!" and the whole crowd laughed.



HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now that's funny. ;)

It's also a classic example of how screwed up Singer's vision of Storm was.

Ororo is not a sex-kitten.

[Lightning Strykez!]

actually, if you keep running, you get your time down farther, but i dont think this is a battle i want to get into

It's hardly a battle. She [rattlerbrat] and I have crossed paths before, and trust me this convo is tame compared to battles past. ;)

[Lightning Strykez!]

but why do you hate her so? :(

Why do Vampires enjoy drinking blood? :o













;)

[rattlerbrat]

but why do you hate her so? :(

Because I think she's a no-talent hack who takes food off the plates of REAL actresses (of any and all races), and I think that for someone who decries "racism!" to whoever will listen, NO ONE has benefitted from being black more than Halle Berry. Not to mention anyone who would commit not one, but TWO hit-and-runs is trash in my book. And don't get me started on her perpetual "I'm so pretty that I can't get a good man" whining.

Don't get me wrong - if he were in front of my car, I'd hit the brakes. And I'm sure she's a decent person. Anything that's related to Halle that's not about Storm, I don't care about. But that untalented loser ***** + my weather goddess = one pissy 'Brat.

[The Guard]

If one has seen Queen, Gothika, The Dorothy Dandrige Story, Monster's Ball, Losing Isaiah, Their Eyes Were Watching God--really any of Halle's darker dramatic roles it's apparent that she is more than capable of bringing true fire to any role. It's what's she known for. Even critics will give her "sheer feistiness" in their reviews of the debacle Catwoman.

Sheer feistiness? Give me a break. She was as bland as she usually is.

The way Storm was portrayed thusfar in the films is clearly in the direction and the script. The lines they gave her were terrible, and her delivery of them was directed to match.

Bryan Singer, so I've heard, does not work like that. He was unhappy with her performance in X-MEN, and only slightly happier with her job on X2. Halle Berry shouldn't have to have her hand held through a simple role like this. Anger is played as anger, Halle, not confusion. But Halle apparently only wanted to make Storm into a dramatic role. She also apparently forgot that drama doesn't always mean "sad". The script is well written. It is written so that Halle Berry has ample opportunity to SHINE in this role. She doesn't, and it's her own damn fault. Bryan Singer didn't stand behind the camera going "Meek, Halle. Meek. No, not meek enough. I need you to be softer in this "angry/intense scene"" Give me a break.

While I'm not in the Hollywood industry, I've studied it enough to know that actors--while able to bring some creative input to a role--are mostly at the mercy of a director when it comes to what kind of vibe they portray. Halle is well aware of the Goddess/Warrior/Leader that Storm is, and that's why she's constantly been at odds with Singer to get the character to be more in line with the comic's counterpart.

BUt she wasn't apparently aware of it BEFORE X-MEN came out and fans bashed her. Then she ran to the comics. Before, she supposedly didn't bother to research the role she was plahing, a beloved comic book character with a rich history. She did the same thing with Catwoman. Went into a role (not beloved, but CATWOMAN has existed) almost completely without research.

You might stop to consider: From day 1 Halle has said that she "admired the character because she is a strong Black Woman."(direct quote) Now, Halle has always played "strong black" female characters convincingly before and since X-Men. So why the hell would she abruptly stop doing what she does so well ONLY in the X-Men franchise?????? The answer?

"Strong black character" is the most shallow definition of what Storm is that an actress can give. Especially an Oscar-winning actress.

Director. Writing team. Simple.

No, because the director and the writing team were familiar with the comics. It's all down to Halle Berry herself. Watch her other "strong black female" roles. Jinx. Catwoman. Even her turn in SWORDFISH. Wonder of wonders, she's the same, meek, bland thing she is in X-MEN and X2 for the most part. Could it be because while she has talent, she has very little range? DING DING DING DING DING!

I've read the scripts...and they called for this "meekness", which shows that either the writers, editors, Singer--or all of the above--didn't understand the Storm character in the first place.

Where's this?

One that has seen Halle in dramatic roles outside of Singer's will readily agree that Halle herself was "out of character" when playing Storm.

If anything, she was IN character, doing her classic Halle Berry turn. She did something similar in GOTHIKA, despite having a completely different character. And MONSTER'S BALL, when she wasn't screaming or screwing.

From the articles in which she speaks of Storm, there's no reason to think that she doesn't know what Storm is now all about...Before and during X-Men 1, she only knew what they told her about Storm...Wasn't it Bryan Singer who told the cast not to go reading the comic books so they can learn more about their characters or somethin?

Why would Bryan Singer say that?

Back on topic: there's a reason why Halle is the one of the highest-paid and most sought-after actresses in Hollywood. There's a reason why critics and audiences are drawn to her. And there's a reason why she is the most successful black actress of our time. Somebody out there likes her. And something tells me that it's millions upon millions of "somebodies" too.

Because she's hot, fun to look at, and easy on the eyes. It's that simple. That's ALL the general public talks about when they mention her.

What I'll never understand is why people are so "quick" to assign alterior motives to this actress whenever she says something positive about the "Storm" character?

Because of her comments and actions regarding it in the past. Remember how she almost held up/pushed back X2 with contract demands or something along those lines? Remember how she flat out *****ed about her role, and badmouthed it being a comic character?

I see none of the other cast members being scrutinized this unfairly.

That's because they're conducting themselves like professionals for the most part. And didn't walk through their roles.

Because I think she's a no-talent hack who takes food off the plates of REAL actresses (of any and all races), and I think that for someone who decries "racism!" to whoever will listen, NO ONE has benefitted from being black more than Halle Berry. Not to mention anyone who would commit not one, but TWO hit-and-runs is trash in my book. And don't get me started on her perpetual "I'm so pretty that I can't get a good man" whining.

There's that too.

[Electrix]

Right....So Halle isnt a good Storm...because she wasnt good in another film.....
Halle isnt a good Storm....because she is a weak actress....

BS


Have you seen some of Famke's first films? Anna's? Hughs stage work? Just because they were utter bull doesnt mean that they arnt good in X-Men. The reason you are unhappy with Storm in X3 is because you have seen the 90's cartoon and the comics and have seen a powerful, strong Storm. Then you see Halle's Storm and its hardly anything like it. Thats not 100% Halle. Most of it is how the character has been written and how the character has been directed.
If Storm is written well and more like the comic books, like Halle wants' then we will get a great Storm and Halle is an the type of actress that can pull it off.

Halle has been Storm in the movie for 5 Years and if you are still moaning and groaning about it after 5 years then its time to get over it. The chances of Halle coming back for X3 are high....we'll know soon.

[TNC9852002]

Why would Bryan Singer say that?
You tell me.....Go pop in the DVD and see for yourself...

-TNC

[The Guard]

If I had time to pop in the DVD, I would. Does he say that anywhere on the DVD? I've listened to that commentary like 10 times, and I've never heard him say a thing about her being meek, or about directing her to do so.

[rattlerbrat]

The reason you are unhappy with Storm in X3 is because you have seen the 90's cartoon and the comics and have seen a powerful, strong Storm. Then you see Halle's Storm and its hardly anything like it.

Really? I have? I am? Tell me more about me, please!

Halle has been Storm in the movie for 5 Years and if you are still moaning and groaning about it after 5 years then its time to get over it.

No.

[Celestial]

[
Have you seen some of Famke's first films? Anna's? Hughs stage work? Just because they were utter bull doesnt mean that they arnt good in X-Men.
Huh????
Anna won an Oscar for her first film. Hugh won leading awards for two of his stage productions and was nominated for the other two. In this instance you are talking utter bull.

[The Storm]

Whoa all this over night! Come on get over it please, Halle has been Storm for five years no matter how much you dislike the woman or how she plays the character.

Arguements are fun to read!!

[Slim_X]

the only thing that matters is that halle will very probably be back and i'm very happy about it :)

[Will]

HalleIf I had time to pop in the DVD, I would. Does he say that anywhere on the DVD? I've listened to that commentary like 10 times, and I've never heard him say a thing about her being meek, or about directing her to do so.
I've never seen Singer say that to her either unless I'm not recalling that huge documentary in the X-Men 1.5 dvd.

The closest thing I've heard to that regarding the actors and the comics is Singer saying to them to use the comics as backround info but use the script as their guide.

BTW just one small favor if anyone can do it nicely... can someone photoshop blue eyes on Halle as Storm?

http://www.moviepropking.com/storm.2.jpg

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/xmenslidestorm.jpg

I always thought that it was a feature that they overlooked that really adds to the original look of Storm when her pupils are not all while.

[Celestial]

It's clear that the studio/producers woul like Halle Berry in X3 but she's not essential. If she doesn't sign the film will still get made. The only one considered essential was Hugh Jackman, probably because they could always fall back on the spinoff if noone else wanted to sign.

If Halle does sign up, then she'll be used heavily to market X3, just as she was for X2 (although she was still very much in second place behind Hugh). None of the rest of the cast gets as much coverage in the entertainment magazines both on the newsstands and on TV.

I imagine that Halle is trying to ensure that she and her fans are not shortchanged by her role within the film. Many Halle fans must have felt there was a touch of "bait-and-switch" with X2, whereas many other X-Men fans felt that Famke Janssen was shortchanged by the marketting.

I noticed that Halle Berry did'nt actively promote X2, in the way that the rest of the cast did. The only TV appearances I noticed were related to being on the cover of People magazine. She didn't attend any of the premieres, press junkets or give interviews in the "making of" programs (or at least not that I noticed). I know she was filming Gothika at the time but it's a common situation and actors often find a way round the difficulties. If she gets a bigger role in X3, perhaps she'll give it higher priority.

Anyway, I'll be happy to see Halle Berry in X3.

[Will]

I noticed that Halle Berry did'nt actively promote X2, in the way that the rest of the cast did. The only TV appearances I noticed were related to being on the cover of People magazine. She didn't attend any of the premieres, press junkets or give interviews in the "making of" programs (or at least not that I noticed). I know she was filming Gothika at the time but it's a common situation and actors often find a way round the difficulties. If she gets a bigger role in X3, perhaps she'll give it higher priority.
I noticed that as well. There's barely any interviews or press of her talking about her part as Storm in the DVD's which has me thinking that she wasn't too proud of the part with the first two movies because most of the major actors did all that stuff in X1 and X2. Even Aaron Stanford and Shawn Ashmore.

You're probably right about the role not satisfying her enough for her to do more interviews on it but I hope her stance changes and she does some interviews to discuss her feelings on the role and what it means to her as it seems like she doesn't care too much about it.

[The Storm]

I don't think she wasn't proud of it I think she was too busy at the time. Being the lead in Gothika she probably wasn't allowed to attend anything. She was on the 1.5. DVD, I watch that over and over.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Sheer feistiness? Give me a break. She was as bland as she usually is.

The way Storm was portrayed thusfar in the films is clearly in the direction and the script. The lines they gave her were terrible, and her delivery of them was directed to match.

Bryan Singer, so I've heard, does not work like that. He was unhappy with her performance in X-MEN, and only slightly happier with her job on X2. Halle Berry shouldn't have to have her hand held through a simple role like this. Anger is played as anger, Halle, not confusion. But Halle apparently only wanted to make Storm into a dramatic role. She also apparently forgot that drama doesn't always mean "sad". The script is well written. It is written so that Halle Berry has ample opportunity to SHINE in this role. She doesn't, and it's her own damn fault. Bryan Singer didn't stand behind the camera going "Meek, Halle. Meek. No, not meek enough. I need you to be softer in this "angry/intense scene"" Give me a break.



BUt she wasn't apparently aware of it BEFORE X-MEN came out and fans bashed her. Then she ran to the comics. Before, she supposedly didn't bother to research the role she was plahing, a beloved comic book character with a rich history. She did the same thing with Catwoman. Went into a role (not beloved, but CATWOMAN has existed) almost completely without research.



"Strong black character" is the most shallow definition of what Storm is that an actress can give. Especially an Oscar-winning actress.



No, because the director and the writing team were familiar with the comics. It's all down to Halle Berry herself. Watch her other "strong black female" roles. Jinx. Catwoman. Even her turn in SWORDFISH. Wonder of wonders, she's the same, meek, bland thing she is in X-MEN and X2 for the most part. Could it be because while she has talent, she has very little range? DING DING DING DING DING!



Where's this?



If anything, she was IN character, doing her classic Halle Berry turn. She did something similar in GOTHIKA, despite having a completely different character. And MONSTER'S BALL, when she wasn't screaming or screwing.



Why would Bryan Singer say that?



Because she's hot, fun to look at, and easy on the eyes. It's that simple. That's ALL the general public talks about when they mention her.



Because of her comments and actions regarding it in the past. Remember how she almost held up/pushed back X2 with contract demands or something along those lines? Remember how she flat out *****ed about her role, and badmouthed it being a comic character?



That's because they're conducting themselves like professionals for the most part. And didn't walk through their roles.



There's that too.

....and all of this is strictly your opinion. And much of what you say (especially in regards to her "badmouthing" the role) have already been debunked as sheer rumor drummed up by rabid fanboys. In fact, Halle herself commented on that.

Like I said, some of you can keep bashing this woman to death all you want, but neither she, nor any of us really gives a damn at this point. She's doing the movie. It's time to embrace reality.

[The Storm]

Like I said, some of you can keep bashing this woman to death all you want, but neither she, nor any of us really gives a damn at this point. She's doing the movie. It's time to embrace reality.

Here here :)

[Will]

I don't think she wasn't proud of it I think she was too busy at the time. Being the lead in Gothika she probably wasn't allowed to attend anything. She was on the 1.5. DVD, I watch that over and over.
Well, Hugh Jackman did a good amount of interviews and he was doing Van Helsing so I don't see why Halle couldn't do any. They don't take up a huge amount of time and I think that with a big budget ensemble picture you'd get input from all the major actors.

I'm not going to say that she's a horrible person for not doing the interviews and junkets but it comes off to me like she didn't care much for the part enough to share what she thought of her increased screen time in X2 and role overall. I might have to review what she said in 1.5 but I recall them talking to her in this room that didn't have the green screen in the back and looked like they just set up an interview at an office or something.

Anyway who knows, maybe she'll enjoy working with Matthew Vaughn more than Bryan Singer and Storm will have a more beefed up character so that she'll have more reason to be more expressive of her role of Storm but time will tell.

[ljr]

She may be doing the movie,but it doesn't mean we have to like halle's attitude.

[Celestial]

I think Gothika was an excuse rather than a reason. She didn't need the exposure and X2 didn't really need her to promote it.

Hugh's position was very different. He was the star and X2 was important in establishing his leading man credentials, so Universal were probably very happy to see him getting a lot of exposure (and being asked about the hair).

[rattlerbrat]

Like I said, some of you can keep bashing this woman to death all you want...

That's right. So remember that when you go into your "Pleeeease don't insult my goddess anymore!" mode.

Come on get over it please

No.

In this instance you are talking utter bull.

You'll get used to it - it's just Lightin's way.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That's right. So remember that when you go into your "Pleeeease don't insult my goddess anymore!" mode.

Halle is not the Goddess. Storm is. Let's not get it twisted.


You'll get used to it - it's just Lightin's way.

He wasn't replying to one of my posts. So was that just another excuse to bash me "just because"?

Now that's some bull****.

[Electrix]

No.



You will have to one day, start mentally preparing now! I know someone who does free counselling.

[Electrix]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/StormEyes1.jpg

As requested...

[Lightning Strykez!]

^^^

She definitely needs the long mane--that's a signature trademark of the character. If they are not going to give her the tiara (If Magneto can have a helmet and Dr. Doom can get a mask I don't see why they can't outfit her with a modernized tiara), then at least GROOM her to look like Storm.

I hated the "feathered" layered look she and Jean sported in X2. I know they want to ground it in reality, but >blech<!!

[Electrix]

http://film.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8545,-10404657757,00.html

Something to back up our argument about how Storm has been used. It's ot just the fans who think it. :D

[Slim_X]

i love this pic:

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art1259.jpg

[The Storm]

Where'd you get it from Slim?

[Electrix]

I cant see it?

Oh...can now...damn my internet :D

Its cool!


I like this image, looks like Halle too!

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0904/UNCX449.jpg

[Mobetter]

I cant understand all the hooplah over Halle Berry/storm character.Its just a role she did a good job as good as any other actor.It silly to judge any actor based on a comic book movie which emphasize action and effects.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^^^

Welcome to the Hype Mobetter!

[The Storm]

Love the picture Electric Wire and it does look a bit like Halle too.

[Slim_X]

Where'd you get it from Slim?
i got it from comics2film.com, it was made by a guy named Marcelo Gomez

[rattlerbrat]

So was that just another excuse to bash me "just because"?

Yes. Because God knows it's all about you.

You will have to one day, start mentally preparing now!

NEVERRRRRRRR!!!!!! *grabs my tinfoil hat and long-handled broom*

[Will]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/LiamGoody/StormEyes1.jpg

As requested...
Subtle but awesome, thanks alot man!

[gap5ewl]

http://www.moviepropking.com/storm.2.jpg

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/xmenslidestorm.jpg



does anyone else besides me find it weird that halle actually looked and sounded like storm in x1 and i in x2 it was completely different? i mean in x2 it just looked like halle berry in a blonde not white whig while in x1, she at least lookes a lot like her you couldnt tell if it was halle or not it was so good.I hope thats how they make storm in x3. x2 was a horrible storm that pic of her in x2 makes her look non-black to ahhhhhhhhh storm in x2 was bad so bad!

[Halle_Cat]

Wow! I haven't been here on SHH for months. And there's still Halle bashing I see. Thought that would've been over and done with by now. Ah well. To those who wanted to see pictures of Halle as Storm with blue eyes instead...here ya go. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Halle_Cat/Storm/Ororo.jpg

[The Guard]

http://film.guardian.co.uk/gallery/...4657757,00.html

Something to back up our argument about how Storm has been used. It's ot just the fans who think it.

Oh? Here's the thing about the statement "Storm's chief role in the film is to sit on the poster and make people go see it. She can also summon storms as and when the plot requires"

In X2, we see Storm

Teaching the students about evolution
Going with Jean to find Nightcrawler
Going into the church with Jean to get Nightcrawler, getting him down
Has a heart to heart with Nightcrawler about anger and discrimination
Flying the X-Jet in a combat situation
Calling down tornadoes to help them escape
Calling up a storm to help enter the base/shield the X-Men from attack
Helps find/calm/rescue the children
Save the day in the end, via her developed relationship with Nightcralwer.
Creating a widespread disruption/cloud effect in the end at the White House

This is in a film with something like fifteen characters, where a lot of time went to Wolverine and to the villains. Storm didn't get any worse treatment than anyone else in X2. She wasn't THE character, but she had HUGE scenes.

....and all of this is strictly your opinion. And much of what you say (especially in regards to her "badmouthing" the role) have already been debunked as sheer rumor drummed up by rabid fanboys. In fact, Halle herself commented on that.

Way to ignore every point I made. The problem with my opinions is that they tend to be rooted in logic and common sense. The things I say are pretty much true. Most people DO like Halle for the T and A factor, etc.

[Electrix]

You may be able to list all of her scenes but the gereral movie going public and reviewers see it like she was only their 'for the posters and as a special effects machine'. Why do you think the reports that Halle wasnt coming back came from? Reporters who thought that because Halle Berry's character wasnt there for a 'reason' or 'needed'. They thought an A-List Hollywood actress wont go for a bit part next time round....Looks like she will.

[Mobetter]

I think the hold up in Halle signing for X3 is the financial terms. I think she is looking for a nice pay day and I think she deserves it.Being in X3 will not add anything to Halle's status.

[Will]

Wow! I haven't been here on SHH for months. And there's still Halle bashing I see. Thought that would've been over and done with by now. Ah well. To those who wanted to see pictures of Halle as Storm with blue eyes instead...here ya go. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Halle_Cat/Storm/Ororo.jpg
Hmm...for some reason I can't see the photomanip :(

[X-Maniac]

does anyone else besides me find it weird that halle actually looked and sounded like storm in x1 and i in x2 it was completely different? i mean in x2 it just looked like halle berry in a blonde not white whig while in x1, she at least lookes a lot like her you couldnt tell if it was halle or not it was so good.I hope thats how they make storm in x3. x2 was a horrible storm that pic of her in x2 makes her look non-black to ahhhhhhhhh storm in x2 was bad so bad!

Yes, the women's hairstyles went to hell in X2. Halle's wavy yellow wig was horrible, and Famke's shorter hair was dubious.

You are quite right that Storm's hair was much better (more like the character) in X1. I wonder how she'd look wearing the comicbook black head-dress/tiara?

[Kmack]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Halle_Cat/Storm/Ororo.jpg
Looks great:up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Way to ignore every point I made. The problem with my opinions is that they tend to be rooted in logic and common sense. The things I say are pretty much true. Most people DO like Halle for the T and A factor, etc.

No one is ignoring the points you've made, just not agreeing with all of them. ;) Remember, your opinions are not the only ones substantiated with fact here. As far as whether what you say is "true" or not--well, let's just say that's a matter of conjecture.

Believe it or not, but Halle has been in films where the T&A factor was not capitalized on, so it's not like she HAS to be a T&A idol for every movie she's attached to. She's adopted some pretty unglamorous and gritty roles that were designed to help the viewer to focus on what her character was going through.

So Singer's usage of Halle for sex appeal shows he doesn't understand what the character of Storm is all about. In the comics, Storm is obviously attractive, even sexy--but she also chooses to be understated with her allure, and her regalness and stature outweighs it. She's more than just "a woman", she's a dignified and respected Goddess. The title of "Goddess" would not be awarded to someone who doesn't project a presence worthy of it. She's taken seriously by both friends and foes. In contrast, movie Storm's sexiness and mousy approach overshadows whatever commanding presence she is supposed to have. She's weak.

Bottom line, there's more to Ororo than her mutant abilities, but Singer's Storm seems to be a focused study on her aesthetic appeal only. And that's a gross misinterpretation, and "huge scenes" chock-ful of SFX cannot fix that.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yes. Because God knows it's all about you.




What the hell? :confused:

Don't know what that statement is supposed to mean, but apparently you have me mistaken for someone else on this board.

[Xfanfan]

I saw this quote today

"X-Men 3 (May 26, 2006): With Singer off directing Superman Returns, Matthew Vaughn (who helmed next month's British gangster saga Layer Cake) takes the reins of this third film. Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen return -- as does Famke Janssen as a resurrected and possibly evil incarnation of her former self. After wrapping X-Men 3, Jackman will move to the spinoff flick Wolverine, due in 2007. "

I hope this is comfermation that Halle is back although I am not sure yet. The link to the quote

http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2005/04/15/998733.html

Is at the bottom in fine print.

Xfanfan

[rattlerbrat]

Why is this making me smile a bit?

On one hand (if this is true), Halle lives to destroy Storm again. That's the ultimate tragedy. On the other hand...if Halle comes back, I don't have to go see X3, and the critics will rip her to shreds for a 3rd time. Not to mention this has to be humiliating for her. After all of her "I'm not paying a superhero anymore" talk, it's amusing to see Halle crawling back to the franchise she hates so much on her hands and knees.

Damn, I'm conflicted...I don't know whether I should care more about the good of Storm or the bad of Halle.

[X-Maniac]

Why is this making me smile a bit?

On one hand (if this is true), Halle lives to destroy Storm again. That's the ultimate tragedy. On the other hand...if Halle comes back, I don't have to go see X3, and the critics will rip her to shreds for a 3rd time. Not to mention this has to be humiliating for her. After all of her "I'm not paying a superhero anymore" talk, it's amusing to see Halle crawling back to the franchise she hates so much on her hands and knees.

Damn, I'm conflicted...I don't know whether I should care more about the good of Storm or the bad of Halle.

It's a tough one, but don't let the inclusion or omission of Halle influence whether you should go to see X3. That's a rather over-the-top reaction. Why miss out on other characters and the storyline in general?

I really am not sure about recasting Storm - it's been such a bad idea in other movie franchises. Anyway, whatever we think, it seems we are probably getting Halle again. Not the best initial choice for the part, I agree. But for continuity and flow, it's probably better to keep the same actress in this final instalment.

But it's not all Halle's fault. Script, wardrobe, directing, editing - they have all played their part in the character's portrayal and lack of strength in her personality. She doesn't get that much of a bad deal if you actually go back and watch X1 and X2 again. Storm gets a good share of the action and screentime, but the dialogue is wrong for Storm in both movies and shows how little the screenwriters understood the character.

A lot of stereotyping too. The women were mostly weak and emotional, the men much tougher (though Cyclops was outshone by Wolverine). Only the women baddies were kick-ass - Mystique and Deathstrike. (I'm male, by the way, in case anyone wonders if i have a feminist agenda - I don't!)

I hope Vaughn will correct this in X3. Storm, Rogue (and Cyclops) now need to be tougher.

[rattlerbrat]

It's a tough one, but don't let the inclusion or omission of Halle influence whether you should go to see X3. That's a rather over-the-top reaction. Why miss out on other characters and the storyline in general?


Well, here's the thing. First, I only care about Storm. The other X-Men have never held my attention (except for Gambit, who doesn't apply here; same with Bishop). So obviously, the portrayal of Storm is the only reason why I would bother with either X-Movie. Halle was bad in X1, but not offensive; I was one of the ones saying, "Well, the script for Storm was terrible; she did what she could" and I gave her a pass. Then, around that time, The Year of Halle was leashed upon the world. I sat through "Dorothy Dandridge", crawled through "Swordfish" and suffered through "Monster's Ball". And that's when it hit me: this woman can't act! And my love for Halle, it was gone.

Then I watched X2 (even flew to Miami to see it with other fangeeks), and was horrified. I mean DAMN, it was awful. Halle didn't even TRY, and her only remotely decent scenes were the ones where she looked afraid while Alan Cumming spoke. So I really have no reason to go see X3. I don't care what happens. Now, if another actress were brought in (ANY! black actress!) then I'd be curious enough to give it a second shot. But the thought of sitting through one more crappy movie - ESPECIALLY knowing that Halle isn't going to do Storm justice - makes my eyes start to twitch. ;)

[Electrix]

WHEN Halle comes back I will be looking forward to X3 because she said in recent interviews that she loves Storm and would like to come back but only if she is closer to the comics like evrey other character in the X-Men films. If she has signed then that means Storm has a decent role and we will be able to see 'Storm'.

Yes she does hate the X-Men franchise, it helped her in her career and its was her first big blockbuster movie. If she signs to do a 3rd film then that will just prove to me how much she hates the X-Men franchise. :D........:mad:

You make me chuckle everytime I read your posts, Halle says something and it 'apparently' means something completely different and negative. Keep the pathetic arguments coming! :D

[rattlerbrat]

*yawns at the fanboy falling all over himself to defend the woman who said that Storm was no longer her priority*

It's like an abusive relationship. Halle Berry pees on your heads; you all call it rain.

[Electrix]

When did she say that? Did she actually say them exact words or did you just assume she did from an interview or article?

Storm needs to create some rain in X3....good idea.

[rattlerbrat]

I'm looking for it. It was back when she was filming Catwoman.

[Electrix]

Hmm...for some reason I can't see the photomanip :(

Look at the eyes :)



Ps) Ill be waiting......

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, here's the thing. First, I only care about Storm. The other X-Men have never held my attention (except for Gambit, who doesn't apply here; same with Bishop). So obviously, the portrayal of Storm is the only reason why I would bother with either X-Movie. Halle was bad in X1, but not offensive; I was one of the ones saying, "Well, the script for Storm was terrible; she did what she could" and I gave her a pass. Then, around that time, The Year of Halle was leashed upon the world. I sat through "Dorothy Dandridge", crawled through "Swordfish" and suffered through "Monster's Ball". And that's when it hit me: this woman can't act! And my love for Halle, it was gone.

Then I watched X2 (even flew to Miami to see it with other fangeeks), and was horrified. I mean DAMN, it was awful. Halle didn't even TRY, and her only remotely decent scenes were the ones where she looked afraid while Alan Cumming spoke. So I really have no reason to go see X3. I don't care what happens. Now, if another actress were brought in (ANY! black actress!) then I'd be curious enough to give it a second shot. But the thought of sitting through one more crappy movie - ESPECIALLY knowing that Halle isn't going to do Storm justice - makes my eyes start to twitch. ;)

What was your take on Halle's performane in the Queen series?

[rattlerbrat]

Sucked AND blew. Bbut it impressed me when I was...8. And "I'ZE NEEGRA! I'ZE NEEGRA!" is always good for laughs.

[Pieces.Of.Me]

I think Storm is a bad character, all around. :o

[rattlerbrat]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/1369.asp

"After playing Storm in 'X-Men' and now Catwoman, I think my comic book hero days are probably over," she said. "That's unless I was lucky enough to play Catwoman again. I would love to do that. But other than that, I think I've pretty much done it."

Of course, this was BEFORE the bomb of Catwoman, so she was only running her mouth when she thought it was going to be a smash hit and was talking about a sequel. So it's fun to watch her talking up a role that she's clearly said she wasn't going to do again. Beg, Halle! Beg! Storm is all you have left. The press doesn't care about her other projects, not even Nefertiti. Remember when she annouced she was playing the queen? Of COURSE you don't.

[Lightning Strykez!]

The press doesn't care about her other projects, not even Nefertiti. Remember when she annouced she was playing the queen? Of COURSE you don't.

Actually I do.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Sucked AND blew. Bbut it impressed me when I was...8. And "I'ZE NEEGRA! I'ZE NEEGRA!" is always good for laughs.

:D

Yes, that is hilarious to look at 15 years later...;)

[Electrix]

Actually I do.

Me 2.

Not exact words. I personally couldnt care less about what Halle said 1 year ago regarding X3. Last year X3 was only rumour...now it is a reality and what she has said recently is all I care about.

[The Guard]

No one is ignoring the points you've made, just not agreeing with all of them. Remember, your opinions are not the only ones substantiated with fact here. As far as whether what you say is "true" or not--well, let's just say that's a matter of conjecture.

The only other "facts" I've seen on here are ridiculous comments about Halle Berry not getting any screentime, and not getting to do anything that was integral to the story, or largescale. Or comments saying that she didn't say things she's on record as having said. No one to date has managed to retort to any of the points I've made showing that, in fact, she has. The other "facts" I've stated are pretty much common knowledge. Halle Berry is admired for her T and A by most people. Most people don't care about her status as an actress. Anyway, if you ignore what I've said, I tend to assume that you DO agree, not that you disagree. So if you disagree, disagree. Let's at least make this more interesting than "you have your opinion, I have mine, but I won't defend it even though I defend Halle". :)

Believe it or not, but Halle has been in films where the T&A factor was not capitalized on, so it's not like she HAS to be a T&A idol for every movie she's attached to. She's adopted some pretty unglamorous and gritty roles that were designed to help the viewer to focus on what her character was going through.

I know. She doesn't have to be a T and A actress. I never said she was or had to be. I'm of the opinion that she has immense talent, and for some baffling reason, chooses not to use it very often. I said that this is how the general public still sees her when they go to her movies, and especially fanboys who haven't seen her other stuff. She's been in some roles that were supposed to be good dramatic ones that devolved into T and A, because she just doesn't seem to take them very seriously (GOTHIKA comes to mind). Halle Berry, from what i've seen, has two kinds of roles: Serious, and "fun". "Serious" roles are things like MONSTER'S BALL, the Dorothy Dandridge film, or some of her other earlier work, which she tends to be very good in. "Fun" roles are roles where she basically shows off her body and her sex symbol status, and include Jinx in DIE ANOTHER DAY, Catwoman, and to some extent, Storm in X-MEN and X2. She tends to basically walk through these types of "action" roles and rely on her charisma, and not so much her talent. She's like a male Colin Farrel.

So Singer's usage of Halle for sex appeal shows he doesn't understand what the character of Storm is all about. In the comics, Storm is obviously attractive, even sexy--but she also chooses to be understated with her allure, and her regalness and stature outweighs it.

Which is why she wears those revealing outfits consisting of drapes in the comics?

She's more than just "a woman", she's a dignified and respected Goddess. The title of "Goddess" would not be awarded to someone who doesn't project a presence worthy of it. She's taken seriously by both friends and foes. In contrast, movie Storm's sexiness and mousy approach overshadows whatever commanding presence she is supposed to have. She's weak.

And she's not here. I get that. But then, you can't just MAKE her a goddess, because without a huge backstory, she'll come across as a *****. This "sexiness and mousiness" comes from Halle Berry herself. She did the same exact thing in DIE ANOTHER DAY, in CATWOMAN, and in most of her action roles.

Bottom line, there's more to Ororo than her mutant abilities, but Singer's Storm seems to be a focused study on her aesthetic appeal only.

I disagree. Because he/the writers have clearly also given her maternal instincts, the connection with Nightcralwer, and she's been the voice for the X-Men of their distrust and hatred/fear of humanity. She's also been portrayed as a bit of a warrior, who does what needs to be done when it needs to be done. She's something of a leader. She's been shown to be intelligent. She's a good pilot. She's an accomplished teacher. She's not just a sex kitten, or just about her powers anymore than Wolverine is just about his claws and his past.

And that's a gross misinterpretation, and "huge scenes" chock-ful of SFX cannot fix that.

Ok, then address what I just said about how he's shown her to be all these things.

Anyway, I don't care if she comes back or not, I just tire of her ongoing need for preferential treatment. Storm's not going to ruin X3. She had some good moments in X-MEN and X2. Halle wasn't spectacular, but she wasn't bad, either.

[Will]

Look at the eyes :)



Ps) Ill be waiting......

Ahh I see it now, my comp was being real weird yesterday.

DAMN it looks great....if only they digitally recolored her eyes in the first two and the 3rd :(

Awesome job Halle_Cat

[Electrix]

Question:

Did you prefer Storm eyes in X1 or X2 when they went white? In X1 they went totally white and when she was creating thunder they had lightning and crackled. In X2 they went white and you could see the pupil.

X1
http://starbulletin.com/2000/07/14/features/art.jpghttp://sfstory.free.fr/images/XMen/8.jpg

X2

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030501/173913__xbop_l.jpg




Random Images:

http://www.fxsmith.com/images/Storm1.jpg
http://www.freenet.de/freenet/unterhaltung/kino/filmstars/halle_berry/halle.jpeghttp://www.publicservantlifestyle.co.uk/dynamic/sections/entertainment/pics/x2_main.jpg

[daleadil]

Hally Berry as Storm.
My Opinion.

She sucks as an actress. She should be burned alive for her performace in Catwoman.
She should be shunned from X3 lest she bring her cancerous curse to the set.

I vote Tyra Banks for Storm
No one will miss Hally Berry IMO.

[Jan Irisi]

*yawn*

Geeezuz this is getting so damn old........................

[Electrix]

No one will miss Hally Berry IMO.

I'm no one.

Halle Berry :D

[Will]

Question:

Did you prefer Storm eyes in X1 or X2 when they went white? In X1 they went totally white and when she was creating thunder they had lightning and crackled. In X2 they went white and you could see the pupil.

X1
http://starbulletin.com/2000/07/14/features/art.jpg

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/XMen/8.jpg

X2

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030501/173913__xbop_l.jpg


Hmm, that's tough. I'd probably go it X1's all white although the slightly blue'ish pupil looks very cool as well.

Another reason I wished they colored her eyes blue was because when she turned her pupils white and they went back to blue she'd look like Storm either way.

It, along with the hair, is one of Storm's most distinguishing features that Singer and co. overlooked and would make Halle Berry's transformation into the Storm role much easier to take in especially if they decided to add the tiara/head dress or something as simple as those....hair...things (don't know the name) that hold women's the hair in the middle like Gwen Stacy:

http://crea.html.it/sito/fiskio3/images/GWENbyRomita.jpg

Those are some nice pics of Halle as Storm, I haven't seen some of those before the wig looks better there. I also wouldn't mind seeing more manips of Halle as Storm with blue eyes ;)

[rattlerbrat]

*yawn*

Geeezuz this is getting so damn old........................

And yet, you're here. Just sayin'.

Halle_Cat, AMAZING job on the eyes, BTW!

[Electrix]

I want longer, fuller hair!

Well I dont but I want Storm to have it in X3 lol :D

[Lightning Strykez!]

Fix the eyes.

Fix the hair.

Fix the acting.

And we might just get Storm...perhaps three times is a charm.

I thought she looked passable as Storm in X1, but I really, REALLY hated her feathered, layered hairstyle in X2--that just looked like "Halle Berry is wearing a wig today" to me. Way too "grounded" for me...after all this is still a comic book movie adaption. If she's going to be mousey and weak, at least let her look the part.

[Jan Irisi]

And yet, you're here. Just sayin'.

Halle_Cat, AMAZING job on the eyes, BTW!

Yup, I guess I'm just the optimist huh? Hoping to see just a bit of mature discourse and debate.

God, my kids handle themselves better.............

[Will]

Fix the eyes.

Fix the hair.

Fix the acting.

And we might just get Storm...perhaps three times is a charm.
I agree but do you think that they'll really fix all of that with X3?

The eyes suddenly being made blue would take an explanation but all other other things are easily fixed depending on how Matthew approaches it with the screenwriters and design dept.

I thought she looked passable as Storm in X1, but I really, REALLY hated her feathered, layered hairstyle in X2--that just looked like "Halle Berry is wearing a wig today" to me. Way too "grounded" for me...after all this is still a comic book movie adaption. If she's going to be mousey and weak, at least let her look the part.
I liked it. The yellow'ish tint made it seem a bit like she had blonde hair in places but I thought that it looked more naturally stylized. In X1 I liked the bangs and hair too but I would have liked if they changed her hairstyle around more in the first sans the bangs.

[Electrix]

I agree but do you think that they'll really fix all of that with X3?


I hope so, it'll probably be their last chance to do it right.

Storm hair just needs to be longer, the only explanation is that it grew.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Personally I'd like to see them CGI her eyes like this for the entire X3 film, and blame the change on evolution.

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040722/174433__xmen_l.jpg
http://www.andrewwyeth.us/images/discimages/large/10059849.jpg

Considering how good Halle looks with her hair like this--

http://www.astro.queensu.ca/~rbrar/x-men/hberry.jpg

--would anybody be upset if the X3 designers gave her a hairstyle like this?

EDIT: The damn pic won't load. But anyways, it's a pic of Storm with a yellow and blue X-Men uniform and her hair is cut REALLY short like the style above. This look was present on the X-Men DVD as "conceptual art".

[rattlerbrat]

God, my kids handle themselves better.............

And yet, you're STILL! FRICKING! HERE!

I thought the hair in X1 was okay - only the bangs were bad, to me. But in X2, it was terrible. Other than just being an ugly cut, I thought it looked too much like a "style", and Storm never struck me as the kind who would have a hairstyle.

[Electrix]

Halle looks good with any hair cut.

I'd prefer Storm to have long hair so that when she is using her powers her hair blown in the wind and adds effect.

[Jan Irisi]

And yet, you're STILL! FRICKING! HERE!



Jeepers...do you have anger issues? I suggest some meditation. Or medication.

Just cool your jets there sparky.

And by the way, I ain't going anywhere. There are a few folks here who can conduct themselves in a mature way and have valid points to make.

[rattlerbrat]

I hereby dub disgusted our topic mascot. And I know you're not going anywhere, because as much as you like to cry, you enjoy these topics - whining and all. As for giving me orders, ask ol' Lightin' there how well I respond to them. Go join him in the "Tried to Tell Brat What To Do" corner.

And I ain't your sparky, loser. Don't call me out of my name and think you're not going to get it back.

[Electrix]

Things are starting to get personal now, stop it please. We dont want to go down the FF route.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Things are starting to get personal now, stop it please. We dont want to go down the FF route.


Ironically enough it only took one person to start that chain reaction over on the FF board.

Hmmmm. Interesting. :cool:

[Electrix]

Ironically enough it only took one person to start that chain reaction over on the FF board.

Hmmmm. Interesting. :cool:

What exactly happpened lightnin?

[Lightning Strykez!]

What exactly happpened lightnin?

An alien substance. LOL

No, all jokes aside, there's alot of jealousy and hatred against the Fantastic Four film for some reason. Some of it appears to be predudice and bigotry at its finest. Superherohype's Fantastic Four forum is the largest on the net and overall the fans that frequent it are excited about the film. A lot of friendships were started there and for the last year or so, a pretty warm and familial spirit existed there.

Unfortunately, some lurking outsiders can't stand to see others happy for something they personally despise (much like a disgruntled ex-employee for example, etc.,) So basically, we had a disgruntled "element" join the Hype, and make efforts to undermine the spirit there by trying to drive wedges of division among the mainstay posters. While collectively the board stood together, the damage was already done by time C. Lee had to warn all of us. But at least folks are hip to the game now.

The point is, it only takes one rotten apple to ruin the lot. And that's why I say, fight the issue at hand, not eachother. There are ways to articulate your points without insulting the intelligence of other users...such erratic behavior only makes that troll look utterly stupid.

[Electrix]

Some people are only alive because its illegal to shoot them.


(Anyone see that picture of Halle in the 'I will create a pic with your choices' thread? If not go look!)

[MJB]

Personally I'd like to see them CGI her eyes like this for the entire X3 film, and blame the change on evolution.

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040722/174433__xmen_l.jpg
http://www.andrewwyeth.us/images/discimages/large/10059849.jpg

Considering how good Halle looks with her hair like this--

http://www.astro.queensu.ca/~rbrar/x-men/hberry.jpg

--would anybody be upset if the X3 designers gave her a hairstyle like this?

EDIT: The damn pic won't load. But anyways, it's a pic of Storm with a yellow and blue X-Men uniform and her hair is cut REALLY short like the style above. This look was present on the X-Men DVD as "conceptual art".

I love halle, but she looks so out of place as Storm.

[Jan Irisi]

Ironically, it is possible that one or two former X-men forum regulars (banned) drifted over to to the FF forums.


I will say this, and then leave this thread to the rest of you. I've been here for a while now, and have seen people come and go. We have folks here who can debate things rationally and reasonably. They can put forward their views clearly and do not sink to personal insults directed at fellow posters, nor do they spew forth garbage about actors or directors or writers they may be discussing. It may be my frustration over no news on the new movie, or the desire to see mature conversation and exchange of views. This thread does have some good points, and good debates, yet it is peppered with the same "Halle sux" BS we have seen ad nauseum. We get it. Move on. It is that frustration that caused my reaction. I'm sure I am not the only one, on either side of the equation, that feels that way. I've been here long enough to have had my fill.

And to rattlerbat...you may have your thread. You win. Nobody can outdo you or "give you orders". The thread is yours. Do with it as you will. It was interesting to read, for a while, but I don't want to interfere anymore.

[rattlerbrat]

And to rattlerbat...you may have your thread. You win. Nobody can outdo you or "give you orders". The thread is yours. Do with it as you will. It was interesting to read, for a while, but I don't want to interfere anymore.

Thanks sooooo much! I'm so happy that you've just GIVEN me my thread. :rolleyes:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thanks sooooo much! I'm so happy that you've just GIVEN me my thread. :rolleyes:

:o


........

[the a1ant]

Halle can be Storm, if they let her really be Storm. :o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormSmile.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormStance.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StorStrength.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormPowerLookScrGrb-vi.jpg

[The Original Bamfer]

uh yeah... what he said

[Kmack]

Halle can be Storm, if they let her really be Storm. :o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormSmile.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormStance.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StorStrength.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/StormPowerLookScrGrb-vi.jpg
I agree.

[The Guard]

I think she looks the part enough. She does look very good as Storm at times, with classic poses, her power usage, etc. It's when she acts that we run into problems at times. She just hasn't seemed to be putting much effort or intensity into this role.

[addismad]

people say that halle was pathetic and like a mouse, but like i said in another topic, the director was most probably happy enough with this idea, if he wasnt then they would have gone back and re-shoot till it was right! Ive seen halle in other films portraying a strong character and she can do it given the opportunity

[rattlerbrat]

Strong character? HALLE BERRY? The two don't even go together.

[Electrix]

Jinx

[rattlerbrat]

Wow...you're serious, aren't you? "Yo' mama!" AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Speaking of which, what happened to that spinoff movie Halle was bragging about? Oh, that's right! Ms. Most Powerful Actress in Hollywood got that taken from her, didn't she?

[Electrix]

Yes, there hasnt been any Bond spin-offs and their shouldnt be. But she has got a good film called October Squall, seems good and will show how good an actress Halle is.

October Squall - An African American women gets pregnant after having been raped by a Caucasian man. She raises this son and when he reaches puberty he starts to remind her very much of his father. Since he is very light skinned, he passes for being white and becomes a racist despite his black mother.

There is also Nefertiti. That will be directed by the same person who directed 'Monsters Ball' and thats happens to be the same film that Halle got her Oscar.

This Hollywood actress doesnt need a Jinx spin off, she is better without one. That Razzi didnt mean a damn thing!

[rattlerbrat]

October Squall - An African American women gets pregnant after having been raped by a Caucasian man. She raises this son and when he reaches puberty he starts to remind her very much of his father. Since he is very light skinned, he passes for being white and becomes a racist despite his black mother.

Halle...playing a downtrodden, black victim? NO WAY!!!! *end sarcasm* Ten bucks says they'll throw in a super graphic sex scenes so that Halle can show off her breasts...again.

There is also Nefertiti. That will be directed by the same person who directed 'Monsters Ball' and thats happens to be the same film that Halle got her Oscar.

Oooh, will she be butt-humping a white guy in that, too? Or at least showing some major boobage? Cuz if not...

[Electrix]

Halle...playing a downtrodden, black victim? NO WAY!!!! *end sarcasm*



Oooh, will she be butt-humping a white guy in that, too? Or at least showing some major boobage? Cuz if not...

No...

If you want to see her naked or wearing skimy clothes then you'll probably get your wish in Nefertiti, being Egyptian and all. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000932/board/thread/15833116) If I were a director and I had HalleBerry and her looks onboard then i'd use them. Her films can do well without her showing flesh.


(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000932/board/thread/15833116)

[rattlerbrat]

If you want to see her naked or wearing skimy clothes then you'll probably get your wish in[/color] Nefertiti, being Egyptian and all. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000932/board/thread/15833116)

So...Egyptians ran around nekkid all the time? Is that what you're saying?

Her films can do well without her showing flesh.

They haven't so far...

[Electrix]

So...Egyptians ran around nekkid all the time? Is that what you're saying?

No....I'm saying that they didnt wear many clothes so expect some nudity. :D

[Electrix]

They haven't so far...

Gothika, Robots, Their Eyes Were Watching God...

[Slim_X]

why do you guys keep answering to the bs that guy says about halle? :confused:
and why does he/she keep saying bs about her? :confused: it's not like halle, a producer or anyone is gonna read it or at least give a damn about it. after the mess that catwoman was she's still a popular A-list actress.

[rattlerbrat]

Robots had nothing to do with Halle and you know it. Plus, it didn't do too hot in the theaters - #2 for about a week (maybe 2) and that was it. It's already dropped out of the top five. Not to mention that Gothika was TRASHED (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gothika/) by the critics, and only grossed $60 million. And TEWWG was a TV flick.

Try again. Or don't. Fanboys always give arguments that make so sense and can be easily debunked, and I'm working.

And Slix_X? First off, I'm a female. Second, they're responding because they know I'm right. It's called damage control. And "A-list"? BULLLLL. She fell to B-list after Catwoman and hasn't done crap since (to my memory, anyway).

[Electrix]

Well whatever I said you'd debunk anyway. If I said she is a good actress you'd say she isnt. If I say I liked her as Storm you'd say I didnt. If I said Halle's films were good you'd say they wernt. You are anti-Halle so anything positive said or done about Halle you instantly want to turn it into a negative.

(I reply because I can)

[rattlerbrat]

Then say something that makes sense! Don't bring up bombing movies like "Gothika" as an example of success and I wouldn't debunk you! If you want to say you like Halle, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But if you're going to say that Halle makes successful films or is a critics favorite, I'm going to prove you wrong. And I'm going to back it up with facts and stats. So you'd do best to stick with your opinions, which can't be proven wrong.

[Electrix]

How Gothika did with peoples opinions:

The Critics:
C-
14 reviews
Yahoo! Users:
B-
12470 ratings

Production Budget: $40 million
Marketing Costs: $25 million
= $65 Million budget
$78,280,896 Total Worldwide Gross

It did quite well in my eyes. Wasnt a flop, but i've seen better films. I have facts too.

[rattlerbrat]

WRONG. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gothika/)

When all else fails, resort to flat-out lying, I guess.

[Electrix]

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2003/GOTHK.php

Thats where I got my 'lying' from.

They are peoples opinions and since when have opinions been facts?

Tell the 12470 average cinema goers that they opinions are wrong.

[the a1ant]

*sigh* it never ends. I used to defend her every moment of the day, but then I realized that it never helps. Apparently the Halle-haters have a mind block that never allows them to see or say anything positive about the lady. Even if there's solid proof. :rolleyes:

[Electrix]

I'll see the light soon :D But not yet...i'm having fun lol

[the a1ant]

^lol

Wow...you're serious, aren't you? "Yo' mama!" AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Speaking of which, what happened to that spinoff movie Halle was bragging about? Oh, that's right! Ms. Most Powerful Actress in Hollywood got that taken from her, didn't she?

It wasn't taken from her because of box-office results. That decision was before Catwoman. They said they just didn't go through with it. Probally because her character wasn't that interesting, and didn't warrant her own film. They were just going to make her a female Bond of sorts, and probally just do it for cash. I'm glad it didn't go through, to be honest, lol. Jinx was my least favorite Halle Berry character.

[MJB]

^lol



It wasn't taken from her because of box-office results. That decision was before Catwoman. They said they just didn't go through with it. Probally because her character wasn't that interesting, and didn't warrant her own film. They were just going to make her a female Bond of sorts, and probally just do it for cash. I'm glad it didn't go through, to be honest, lol. Jinx was my least favorite Halle Berry character.


They also didn't go through with it cause MGM was in process of being sold to SONY. Yeah it was announced later to the public, but it was a known fact that Sony was the studio taking over MGM. All major projects before a certain date was placed on hold, and the Sony pictures division will decide what projects will movie foward after the buyout is finialized.

[MJB]

Why is there so much Halle hatred on this site?? Not only Halle, but just about any black actor or actress. it's a d@mn shame.

[Electrix]

Its not just this site, IMDB has some aswell. People believe too much they read in articles. These people keep bashing her and having personal digs yet they dont even know her. They have just seen her on screen and read about her.

[The Storm]

I like Halle and I liked her as Storm, OK she does need to put more intensity into Storm but I think other issues are beyond Halle's control.

[Celestial]

Production Budget: $40 million
Marketing Costs: $25 million
= $65 Million budget
$78,280,896 Total Worldwide Gross

It did quite well in my eyes. Wasnt a flop, but i've seen better films. I have facts too.
There's a flaw in your reasoning. The Box office gross is the actual ticket sales at the theatres and only about half of this goes to the studio (the rest goes to the distributers - the companies that run the cinemas). So on the theatrical release, Gothika made a loss. DVD sales/rentals etc might push it closer to breakeven.

For the same reason, I can't see X3 getting a production budget above $150m.

[rattlerbrat]

Tell the 12470 average cinema goers that they opinions are wrong.

What in the blue bleeding HELL are you talking about? 12,470 movie-goers? BIG DEAL! So they liked Gothika - SO WHAT? I gave you numbers, you gave me a tiny fraction of people. Get real!

Celestial, Gothika only made about $7 mil in DVD sales and rentals, so it's stil veryveryvery much in the red.

[Mobetter]

*sigh* it never ends. I used to defend her every moment of the day, but then I realized that it never helps. Apparently the Halle-haters have a mind block that never allows them to see or say anything positive about the lady. Even if there's solid proof. :rolleyes:

I'm a Halle fan also, and I read the posts both negative and positive about her. I think their is a lot of chatter about Halle because she is the only African american A-list star actress we have now, so her every move is overly scrutinized by the public and the critics. But this is not all bad for Halle because in show biz it is better to be talked about good or bad than not at all.And judging by these posts she is a lightning rod for conversation, have you noticed whenever things get slow because the lack information regarding X3, thats when we start getting our Halle posts to stir things up.

[rattlerbrat]

I think their is a lot of chatter about Halle because she is the only African american A-list star actress we have now, so her every move is overly scrutinized by the public and the critics.

That's an unfair thing to say, to me. There are plenty of both A and B list WHITE actresses who can't even sneeze without it being reported to the media. Julia, Nicole, Gwyeth, even Hilary Duff, the Olsen twins and Lindsay Lohan have it MUCH tougher than Halle Berry. At least Halle is just perceived as a pretty little dumb chick who makes bad movies and chooses lousy men.

[Mobetter]

What in the blue bleeding HELL are you talking about? 12,470 movie-goers? BIG DEAL! So they liked Gothika - SO WHAT? I gave you numbers, you gave me a tiny fraction of people. Get real!

Celestial, Gothika only made about $7 mil in DVD sales and rentals, so it's stil veryveryvery much in the red.

Your figures are wrong Gothika made over 45mil in video rental as per dvdexclusive.com. So check your sources and stop making things up.

[Electrix]

They cant stop talking about her....and they probably keep having digs at her when she signs, when she's filming, when we get first pics, when we see trailer, when she has interviews about X3, when film is released. They'll get over it eventually.

[rattlerbrat]

$45 million my ASS! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gothika/dvd.php) I want to see a link to that, myself. Personally, I think it sounds WAY more believable than the $7 RT reports (I'm thinking they're probably excluding sales in that total), but it's funny how *I* went to DVD Exclusive and couldn't find that figure at ALL.

[the a1ant]

GOTHIKA was released TWICE on DVD. Once, as a one-disc and a year later as a special edition 2-Disc DVD. I don't know the sales numbers, but it at least warranted a 2nd edition to come out.

[Mobetter]

$45 million my ASS! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gothika/dvd.php) I want to see a link to that, myself. Personally, I think it sounds WAY more believable than the $7 RT reports (I'm thinking they're probably excluding sales in that total), but it's funny how *I* went to DVD Exclusive and couldn't find that figure at ALL.

If you cant find the figures you are blind, both IMDB.com and DVDexclusive have Gothika making over 40+ mil in rentals.But who cares that the studios money, I just support Halle as a actress and wish her well.You seem to have serious issues regarding Halle or is it beautiful women period. Maybe you should talk to a therapist.:D

[rattlerbrat]

Show me a link. SHOW it to me. Until then, your words are nothing but words. Even if you are right, a1ant just said that Gothika was released TWICE on DVD. DVDs don't get released twice because they're doing so well - they get released twice because they are BOMBING. So your numbers are from a two-time release - and if DVD sales are like CD sales, then BOTH DVDs get counted seperately! Whoo, what a triumph!

And leave it to the person here who has the least to offer in this discussion to dip allll the way down to the "jus' jellus" theory. Please. I'm 5'9" with clear chocolate skin, a small waist and nice, firm breasts. I'd MUCH rather look like me than Halle's haggardly-looking, bad weave wearing, same-haircut-for-the-past-eight-years having, airbrushed-to-all-hell-and-back GOOFY lookin' ass. And if I had such a problem with beautiful women, why is Nona Gaye one of my favorites? Angela Bassett" Gina Torres? Sanaa Lathan? N'Bushe Wright? Oooh, why don't you go for the "you don't like light-skinned black women" BS angle next, ROOKIE?

Honestly, you are a TYPICAL Halle fanboy - full of half-truths and entire lies, as Maya Angelou would say.

[Electrix]

You can always tell the sort of people your dealing with when they throw insults at people they dont even know.....

[rattlerbrat]

It's not my fault the boy's a lying rookie. I throw insults at anyone who presents themselves in a half-assed manner.

[Electrix]

You insult Halle as though she'd slapped you across the face and burnt your house down.

[Celestial]

Catwoman has made $53m in US DVD rentals/sales according to this site (http://www.dvdexclusive.com/charts_sellers_ytd.asp?chart_date=3%2F12%2F2005), so I can believe $45m for Catwoman.

According to a paper for Entertainment and sports lawyers (I found it somewhere on the net via a search on profit participation), only 20% of DVD sales gets counted towards gross profit, so perhaps the $7m was 20% of $35m.

All this is intended to confuse, and to reduce the amount of money a studio has to pay out to the talent, so it's not surprising that we can't work out whether a movie has made any money.

[rattlerbrat]

According to a paper for Entertainment and sports lawyers (I found it somewhere on the net via a search on profit participation), only 20% of DVD sales gets counted towards gross profit, so perhaps the $7m was 20% of $35m.

That makes sense. That probably explains why we have such a gross difference in numbers. It's not like we're arguing $45 to $30 - $45 to $7 is a BIIIG difference!

BTW, by my count, 35 goes into 7 exactly five times.

[Xfanfan]

Gothika Actually made more than 78 million worldwide. It made 141,591,324 This is from Box Office Mojo. If the movie did make 53 million in DVD add that to that previous amount and the movie generated nearly 200 million. Not bad at all. And thats considering that the reviews weren't that great. Either way I think we should give Halle a chance.

Xfanfan

[rattlerbrat]

If the movie did make 53 million in DVD add that to that previous amount

I believe the $141 mil already includes that total, and incudes that fact that the movie was a re-release. And we've given Halle two chances. How many more does she get? If she were driving a bus and hit two people, they wouldn't be saying "give her another chance".

[Electrix]

We dont give her chances, the people who hire her do and if she was rubbish and cant act like you say then they wont hire her will they.

[Mobetter]

I believe the $141 mil already includes that total, and incudes that fact that the movie was a re-release. And we've given Halle two chances. How many more does she get? If she were driving a bus and hit two people, they wouldn't be saying "give her another chance".

I told you Gothika made over 40 mil in dvd rentals.You have anymore facts that you are wrong about.

[rattlerbrat]

Whomp-whomp, whomp-whomp. Mo. Funny how you *still* can't manage to provide a link to back up your facts, fanboy.

he was rubbish and cant act like you say then they wont hire her will they.

Riiiight, because ALL Hollywood actors are good ones and have loads of talent. Right?

[Electrix]

Found this:

http://www.blitzgal.com/scans/blitzscan_premierejuly00_xmen_storm001.jpg