4-19 Blank (Possible Spoilers)

[NHawk19]

OK since Spirit was kind of a let down and Trip yelled at me for making comments about next weeks tease I thought I'd go with making this one.

I'm guessing based on the tease since Lois and Chloe and who knows who else saw Clark use his powers in public there's going to be a memory wipe kind of a let down from the writers.

[darkzombiemutt]

dont forget about the sheriff, she was with lois in that scene they showed. What was the deal with the big crater in the ground? I'll be sad if chloe forgets. I dont know how they can get away with things with Lois knowing, unless they are planning an entirely different approach with thier relationship. Who knows, have to wait and see I guess.

[The Incredible Hulk]

apparently some of you have had a "memory wipe" and have forgotten that Smallville's trailers are always misleading... :)

[darkzombiemutt]

I'll memory wipe you..... *shakes fist*

[NHawk19]

Ok so some convienent edits may have been made to mislead, but I can only go based on what they have given us thus far. Not to mention with a name like Blank what else could we expect.

[Serene]

dont forget about the sheriff, she was with lois in that scene they showed. What was the deal with the big crater in the ground? I'll be sad if chloe forgets. I dont know how they can get away with things with Lois knowing, unless they are planning an entirely different approach with thier relationship. Who knows, have to wait and see I guess.

The crater reminded me of the one from when Clark blew up the spaceship. Maybe they never filled that in?

And I believe that Chloe knowing is referenced in spoilers for later eps, so I don't think she'll be blanked.

I can't even begin to figure out what the heck that scene with Lois and the Sheriff witnessing Clark's abilities is all about. Weird. Unless they are meant to be blanked shortly after that scene.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'll memory wipe you..... *shakes fist*


why I oughta...do....something... or something..... yeah thats all I got :o

[triplet]

OK since Spirit was kind of a let down and Trip yelled at me for making comments about next weeks tease I thought I'd go with making this one.

I didn't mean to yell at ya... :( sorry.

I'm guessing based on the tease since Lois and Chloe and who knows who else saw Clark use his powers in public there's going to be a memory wipe kind of a let down from the writers.

No, I don't think so.

Maybe Clark will explain it in some way or maybe hers and the sheriff's memories get wiped right then and there, this episode is about a freak who can wipe memories after all.

Lois' and the Sheriff's memories will probably not survive the episode, but I think Chloe is safe.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Im starting to hate Chloe http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif especially the way she was sneaky in Spirit

[Spidergurl4302]

should be a good scene, Lois finding out about Clark's powers, but by the end of the episode her memory of it will probably be gone.....

[NHawk19]

It's ok you've been cranky lately I've seen the posts

[triplet]

It's ok you've been cranky lately I've seen the posts

Yeah, my job sucks and I'm fighting one hell of a head cold, so I'm glad you understand... ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

i didn't catch the whole preview, what is it i am hearing tha tlois and sheriff knows.

[Lara]

As long as Chloe remembers in the end I'm fine. Of course I think they cut to him doing a feat of strength so maybe that Smallville comment from Lois was in regards to something less super that could be explained.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

*sigh*

I'm bored with them always revealing then making them forget. It worked the first and second time but, please, like, stop?

[darkzombiemutt]

screencaps of the trailer on K-Site. And yes, the Sheriff and Lois are standing there when clark catched that falling lab crap.

[AgentPat]

screencaps of the trailer on K-Site. And yes, the Sheriff and Lois are standing there when clark catched that falling lab crap.Did they happen to show that single, albeit very fuzzy, frame during Clark's flash back at the beginning of a man in a cape? I slo-moed through the teaser and nearly choked. If not, I'll screen cap it later tonight for folks. :D

[darkzombiemutt]

uh, I dont recall seeing it, was it from an earlier episode?

[AgentPat]

uh, I don’t recall seeing it, was it from an earlier episode?NO! That's why I choked. LOL It *appeared* to be a new image. I didn't scrutinize it though - just reacted with a "WHOA!" I'll cap it later tonight. It's a single frame on the tape - goes by SO fast you wouldn't see it without stepping through the sequence with a good VCR - but it really *looked* like what I described above. *geeky smile*

[darkzombiemutt]

interesting.

[triplet]

Did they happen to show that single, albeit very fuzzy, frame during Clark's flash back at the beginning of a man in a cape? I slo-moed through the teaser and nearly choked. If not, I'll screen cap it later tonight for folks. :D

I saw something weird, I thought, backed it up and watched it twice but it did go by fast... I would love to see that.

:up:

You totally rawk... ;)

[Swordmaster]

someone post teaser caps for those who do not know what we're talking about, please

[triplet]

Can't link directly to K-site images, but here's where Craig put his trailer caps..


http://www.kryptonsite.com/blanktrailer1.htm

I don't think there's a cape in there, but it's hard to tell. It does look like at least some of that sequence are images from past episodes. There's an image of him on top of the truck from Lucy, for example, and the lightning hittng him in Leech, and images from Unsafe and Pariah among others....

[NHawk19]

Just checked the link to K-Site.

Can it be that we finally get some resolution on the Alicia Story Line and others? I may be able to withstand Lois and the Sheriff being cleaned if that happens.

[Spidergurl4302]

got a "mini trailer" for this episode as my avvy now at another board:D:p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Jess63004/shortsmallville3.gif

[Strange]

Can't link directly to K-site images, but here's where Craig put his trailer caps..


http://www.kryptonsite.com/blanktrailer1.htm

I don't think there's a cape in there, but it's hard to tell. It does look like at least some of that sequence are images from past episodes. There's an image of him on top of the truck from Lucy, for example, and the lightning hittng him in Leech, and images from Unsafe and Pariah among others....

It looks like he is getting electrocuted, kinda like that episode where that other kid got his powers through electricity.

[darkzombiemutt]

interesting...
Kevin, a boy who can cause people to temporarily lose their memory, turns his powers on Clark (Tom Welling) and causes him to have total amnesia. Chloe discovers what has happened and must teach Clark about his superpowers while simultaneously trying to keep him from accidentally revealing them to others. On his trip down memory lane, Clark meets Lana (Kristin Kreuk), falls in love all over again and decides to share his secret with her. Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) takes advantage of the situation and convinces Clark to show him where the three stones are hidden.

Notice the Temporary part. even if they find out, and forget, wouldnt them forgrtting just be temporary?

[Lara]

It will probably be something with long-term vs short-term memory

[NHawk19]

bump

[darkzombiemutt]

any predictions on this episode?

out of five stars, I'm giving it 3 1/2. But I'm aiming low so I dont look stupid if it sux. deep down Im thinking it'll be better then that. So many issues they will have to resolve or leave open for the finalie that I think there wont be as much fluff.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think it should be a lot of fun. You're going to have Chloe who just knows bits and pieces about Clark's powers trying to explain them to him, and sort of just "winging it" o nthe stuff she doesnt know

[darkzombiemutt]

Im really interested to see how they handle Lois and the Sheriff finding out, not to mention Lex getting Clark to tell him where the stones are.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yeah I read that, and I'm not sure how exactly Clark would know where the stones are? Or how Lex would know Clark knew anything about their whereabouts?

Clark only really knows where the 1 stone is. As far as he knows, one disappeared in the prison, and the other vanished in China...

[triplet]

any predictions on this episode?

out of five stars, I'm giving it 3 1/2. But I'm aiming low so I dont look stupid if it sux. deep down Im thinking it'll be better then that. So many issues they will have to resolve or leave open for the finalie that I think there wont be as much fluff.

Oh, I think it will be at least a 4 if not a five out five.

It'll take a slightly different look at Clark's powers and maybe he'll have some new insights as he learns about them all over again.

I think it will be a great episode.

[Tomwelling4sups]

NO! That's why I choked. LOL It *appeared* to be a new image. I didn't scrutinize it though - just reacted with a "WHOA!" I'll cap it later tonight. It's a single frame on the tape - goes by SO fast you wouldn't see it without stepping through the sequence with a good VCR - but it really *looked* like what I described above. *geeky smile*ok, i am gonna get that trailer and check it out asap!!! :eek:

[Serene]

I think it should be a lot of fun. You're going to have Chloe who just knows bits and pieces about Clark's powers trying to explain them to him, and sort of just "winging it" o nthe stuff she doesnt know

I have some major Chloe issues brewing in my head, but I'm going to see how this episode goes before spewing them out.

I'm looking forward to seeing Clark "discover" his own powers.

[triplet]

I have some major Chloe issues brewing in my head, but I'm going to see how this episode goes before spewing them out.

I'm looking forward to seeing Clark "discover" his own powers.

I think it will be funny...


I wonder what will happen when he discovers his heat vision all over again.

:D ;)

Will he set the Talon on fire again?

[NHawk19]

I think it will be funny...


I wonder what will happen when he discovers his heat vision all over again.

:D ;)

Will he set the Talon on fire again?

Or will he find something new? :cool:

[NHawk19]

Whoa he just eraesed him back to the stoneage

Still a newbie how do I get the black background?

[Tomwelling4sups]

Whoa he just eraesed him back to the stoneage

Still a newbie how do I get the black background?

quote me and you will see :)

[NHawk19]

quote me and you will see :)

ah ha

thanx

[GothicPowerMix1]

I can almost bet Clark will forget Chloe know's at the end

[AgentPat]

HAHAHA!!!! Fifteen minutes in, and this episode is freakin' awesome! I'm definitely liking THIS one kids!! :up: :up: :D

[GothicPowerMix1]

This one stinks


Clark's like the new kid in town http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[NHawk19]

Gotta say I really feel bad for Chloe in this one that's what the millionth time she's had that happen

[AgentPat]

HAH! I am sooo lovin' this one. :D

[NHawk19]

How about Chloes reaction to X ray vision :)

thanks TW4S

[NHawk19]

Ok this whole Lex thing is getting pretty good

[GothicPowerMix1]

Woot Got To Love Lex He Is A Sneaky Biatch http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

[NHawk19]

ok so they erased the erasure . . .Think it worked for Chloe or did he not get enough erased during her initial

[Thunder Emperor]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo at work, and i forgot to tivo this episode. awwww i am pissed.

[GothicPowerMix1]

So the erase did NOT work on Chloe she seems to remember everything


Lex well is a sneaky biatch


Hmmm might be something with Clark & Lana in the future after alll


Jason scared the ***** out of Lana again http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Thunder Emperor]

i have a great idea, wb should have the show available for download an hour after the show and, this will increase their viewer ship,. and to pay for this the just run more ads in the dowladable verison. and you have to sign up for the downloads.

[Anguissette1979]

So the erase did NOT work on Chloe she seems to remember everything


Lex well is a sneaky biatch


Hmmm might be something with Clark & Lana in the future after alll


Jason scared the ***** out of Lana again http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Kevin only zapped the last minute or so. Lois and the sherriff were wiped but Clark talked to Chloe well before then. I LOVED the ending!!!!!

I thought I was going to pass out though. We're having bad rainstorms and my cable kept cutting out. :(

[NHawk19]

Overall I gotta say I liked this one. Nice way to open up Chloe's character and the FOTW wasnt the main focus of the Ep nor was he the typical villian. The memory wipe thing was still there but I guess with a name like Blank what can we expect. Should be interesting to see if the reconcile Chloe knowing by the end of the season.

Lex's scenes though minimal were really telling.

[Anguissette1979]

Lex is a skank....

Next week's episode looks............... interesting.

[AgentPat]

Killah episode! I was freaking that Chloe might not remember, but Kevin (was it Kevin? I forget the FOTW's name LOL) said that the erasure only works for the last few minutes. Clark is the only one who got completely wiped. Love the ending. And now Chloe knows everything - except the biggie. I imagine Clark will be telling her about that real soon though since he can't be THAT dumb not to figure out she knows everything else at this point.





Actually, now that I think about it, he CAN be that dumb. :rolleyes: :p LOL

[I_am_budders]

Wow, I loved this episode! I'll write up a more formal opinion tomorrow...

[Anguissette1979]

I really hope they don't play him off as that dumb. He asked her to be completely honest if he did something and she just said, "you trusted me"

Unless he's dumber than a doornail, he gets it. I just wish they would have cut to his expression :(

[The Incredible Hulk]

Very cool episode. I bet they scared the hell out of all the chloe fans when the doc had her in that chair and was talking about doing a long term memory wipe LOL

I liked all of the Clark/Chloe, Clark/Lana, and Clark/Lois scenes a lot. The Lana angle at the end is something I didnt really expect...

Now I must go play City of Heros and forumlate my thoughts. Lucky for me I finally figured out how to work the DVR on my digital cable so now I can rewatch parts of it...

[AgentPat]

And I bet the DTS crowd are going nuts right about now LOL!! I kinda wish there was more interaction between Clark and Lana when he had his memory loss. Those scenes were fantastic, as were the scenes between Clark and Lex. Oh hell, who my kidding, the whole ep was great!!

My heart skipped a beat at the end when Clark stopped Lana from leaving. I thought, oh NO... he's not gonna spill.... is he? OMG, spill baby spill! LOL

[Anguissette1979]

I was on the edge of my bed..... since I don't have any seats in my apartment.

[rumpuso]

This was an awesome episode. Tom nailed the amnesiac part! Loved Chloe too. And surprisingly, I even liked Lana in this episode. I'm really disappointed that Chloe and Clark didn't have the talk. I wonder if they'll leave her finding out about Clark's alien origins for the season finale????

[AgentPat]

Very cool episode. I bet they scared the hell out of all the chloe fans when the doc had her in that chair and was talking about doing a long term memory wipe LOLOMG Hulk, I was one of 'em. I had my foam bricks at the ready. I was gonna kill somebody if they wiped Chloe completely. But everything ended PERFECTLY. At first, I thought it was lame that Clark forgot what happened during that day, but it'll make it more fun now between him and Chloe, Lex and Lana. Just a fabulous episode.

Okay, I'll stop gushing now. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

[I_am_budders]

By the way, anyone know the name of the song at th end of the show?

[AgentPat]

This was an awesome episode. Tom nailed the amnesiac part! Loved Chloe too. And surprisingly, I even liked Lana in this episode.Me TOO!! Hah!!! She was GREAT! Why can't all the episodes be like that? Who wrote this one? Anybody notice?

I'm really disappointed that Chloe and Clark didn't have the talk.Well, I'm sure they eventually will. I loved his face when she said he did one thing different: he trusted her. Oh c'mon Clark, put two and two together now, why woncha? LOL

I wonder if they'll leave her finding out about Clark's alien origins for the season finale????[shrugs] Doubtful they'll do it in next week's ep. (I'm not nearly as psyched about that one, btw. :rolleyes: )

Oh, BTW, Blank: 5 out of 5. :D :up:

[Thunder Emperor]

So the erase did NOT work on Chloe she seems to remember everything


Lex well is a sneaky biatch


Hmmm might be something with Clark & Lana in the future after alll


Jason scared the ***** out of Lana again http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif


why areyou telling me man, i am at work. noooooooooooo

[NHawk19]

Gotta love when Clark was sweating at the end

Clark: Did I do anything umm weird you gotta tell me

he he that was great hope they play this up more in the coming eps

[NHawk19]

why areyou telling me man, i am at work. noooooooooooo

The thread does warn of spoiler :rolleyes:

[AgentPat]

why areyou telling me man, i am at work. nooooooooooooTH, don't look. Stay away. You'll be SPOILED big time dude. ;)

[The Guardian]

I LOVED THIS EPISODE, MY FAVORITE PART WAS AT THE TALON. CLARK IS STARING A HOLE THROUGH LANA AND GETS A LITTLE TOO EXCITED.:D HE SETS THE LAMP ON FIRE, BUT WHAT I LOVED WAS CLOE'S REACTION WHEN SHE SAYS, " I COULD HAVE GONE WITHOUT KNOWING ABOUT YOUR PREMATURE COMBUSTION." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I ALMOST BUSTED A GUT FROM LAUGHING SO HARD, I WAS LAUGHING FOR LIKE 5 MINUTES AFTER THAT ONE, ANYWAY I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.:D :supes:

[Morg]

I think Chloe still knows about Clark powers, the kid only erased what happen in the lab but not months ago when Chloe first found out. She mentioning he trusted her sounds like a hint to me

[NHawk19]

Why cant more eps progress this way? . . . .Stupid Spirit:p

[Superman1980]

omg, I live in England, it's 2a.m. and I'm waiting for this episode to appear for download using bittorrent. Dam bittorrent site better hurry up and upload because I really want to go to bed

[Serene]

I loved it. All of it.

Clark and Chloe being surprised by his abilities (I was just waiting for that heat vision to blow! LOL!), and I even liked the FOTW. Kevin wasn't a straightforward bad guy, I liked how they turned that around. That actor reminded me sooo much of someone, but I can't think of who! It's bugging me, I'll have to rewatch.

AM really is so good. I never thought they'd wipe Chloe's memory of Clark's abilities. He needs a confidant and I'm glad they chose her. I was so happy that she was big enough to tell Clark that Lana was the "love of his life."

And Lex! That baaaad boy. MR is falling into evil Lex mode veeeery nicely. ;)

I can hardly let myself even think about the scene on the porch with Clark and Lana. I'm too afraid to jinx it. Man.. can that guy do romance or what??? I take back what I said about not really wanting to see Tom do a rom-com.. bring it ON! And what about that look he had on his face when he first saw Lana walking down the stairs? *sigh*.. Once again, TW manages to amaze. He's looking extra fine these days, I might add. :up:

I'm sure all the SV sites will be having a field day of seizures at the idea of Clark and Lana being back together again.. :rolleyes:
HAH! Don't care! I'm thrilled. :D FINALLY, he didn't just let her walk away. I was expecting it to end per usual, but when he called out to her to "stop".. I literally gasped! Totally unexpected and thrilling. :)

Jason - Yikes! :eek: I still think he's a pretty good actor. He scared me, but I have certain issues.

One question though.. did Lois to Clark as having "vacant blue eyes" when she was talking to Chloe in the hall at school? I wonder if that was on purpose or just a writer's goof.

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

By the way, anyone know the name of the song at th end of the show?
From a terrific CD The Beautiful Letdown. The song is "This is your life" from Switchfoot.

[AgentPat]

I think Chloe still knows about Clark powers, the kid only erased what happen in the lab but not months ago when Chloe first found out. She mentioning he trusted her sounds like a hint to meYeah Morg, she still knows. The only thing that he wiped was the last few minutes. He said that's all he *could* wipe. Clark was the oddball. What else is new, eh? ;)

[NHawk19]

[QUOTE=Serene]


I can hardly let myself even think about the scene on the porch with Clark and Lana. I'm too afraid to jinx it. Man.. can that guy do romance or what??? I take back what I said about not really wanting to see Tom do a rom-com.. bring it ON! And what about that look he had on his face when he first saw Lana walking down the stairs? *sigh*.. Once again, TW manages to amaze. He's looking extra fine these days, I might add. :up:

I'm sure all the SV sites will be having a field day of seizures at the idea of Clark and Lana being back together again.. :rolleyes:
HAH! Don't care! I'm thrilled. :D FINALLY, he didn't just let her walk away. I was expecting it to end per usual, but when he called out to her to "stop".. I literally gasped! Totally unexpected and thrilling. :)

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*hands Serene a towel for her drool :)

[The Guardian]

*hands Serene a towel for her drool :)

LOL!:D :supes:

[Serene]

Just remembered another cool part - When Jason is being all scary and is in Lana's face, he says to her, "Don't give up on me.."

Remember the last character we heard say that?

[AgentPat]

...I was so happy that she was big enough to tell Clark that Lana was the "love of his life."Unlike Lana who never told Chloe that Chloe was the one that she caught "Clark making out with" in Rush, or never telling Clark about Chloe's letter in Fever. I started to really hate Lana after that.

But she's okay now. :p

I don't really care one way or another if they bring the Clana back. As long as it's good. And tonight it was GOOD! So bring it on! :D

I'm too afraid to jinx it. Man.. can that guy do romance or what??? I take back what I said about not really wanting to see Tom do a rom-com.. bring it ON! And what about that look he had on his face when he first saw Lana walking down the stairs? *sigh*.. Once again, TW manages to amaze. He's looking extra fine these days, I might add. :up:http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/worthy.gif

I was expecting it to end per usual, but when he called out to her to "stop".. I literally gasped! Totally unexpected and thrilling.Same here. I was like, oh no. Oh No. OH NO..... LOL!!! ;)

One question though.. did Lois to Clark as having "vacant blue eyes" when she was talking to Chloe in the hall at school? I wonder if that was on purpose or just a writer's goof.I don't think it was an inside joke, but y'never know. Chloe has talked about Clark's "baby blues" before.

[The Guardian]

Just remembered another cool part - When Jason is being all scary and is in Lana's face, he says to her, "Don't give up on me.."

Remember the last character we heard say that?

NO, REFRESH MY MEMORY.:D :supes:

[AgentPat]

*hands Serene a towel for her drool :)NHawk, who you kidding? We need a mop here doncha know? LOL

[Serene]

Unlike Lana who never told Chloe that Chloe was the one that she caught "Clark making out with" in Rush, or never telling Clark about Chloe's letter in Fever. I started to really hate Lana after that.

Really? Wow, I totally didn't see either of those situations that way at all. Not the thread to get into it though..

Just goes to show how we all have our own filters when we watch these eps.

Fortunately, there's always room for differing opinions amongst civil people. :):up:

[Serene]

NHawk, who you kidding? We need a mop here doncha know? LOL

*coughshopvaccough*

[NHawk19]

NHawk, who you kidding? We need a mop here doncha know? LOL

I'd go for the Mop but I didnt even get a thanks for the towel *sniff tear :D

[mellyM]

They've refered to Clarks' "baby blues" a couple of times...they're partly right, lol

[mellyM]

NO, REFRESH MY MEMORY.:D :supes:

Lex said it to Clark in Bound

[[Faustinas]]

Well, that was a thrill ride. Where do I start? It could have just been another FoTW if not for the Chloe, Lex, and Lana arcs..plus Kevin just had a very versitile power, the type that probably didn't limit the writers a lot and lent them more room for creativity. I think Jonathan and Martha could have been written in somehow but they weren't missed too much. It was nice to see Sheriff Adams get a good couple of scenes, I always liked her sassy no-nonsense attitude.

I loved how Chloe sort of looked after Clark, like with the door and the jar, but especially her whispering about Lex...Pretty sneaky Sis...

"She's the love of your life." ...poor Chloe :(

Lex had me yellin' cuzz he was so not gellin' He blatantly took advantage of Clark in his weakened state of mind! Then he lied about the whole thing, how, of late uncharacteristically sinister of our 'Mista LOOthOR!' Hope Lionel shows up in these last few eps of the season.

Father and son evil as one?
I'd love to see it have run!

Look Ma...I made a poem!

And lastly, my fellow Smallvillians...

I would like to point out a 'you may have missed it' moment from the last scene of Clark and Lana on the Kent porch (which had good lighting by the way;)) I think he channeled Chris's Clark with his bewildered, lovelorn expression.

[Faustinas] out

[Mike_D]

Dammit! :( my cable got disconnected a few weeks ago...I miss smallville :( oh well, I'll just have to add season 4 dvd to the rest of my smallville season collection and re-watch it :D

-Mike

P.S.

THERES NO WAY IM GONNA MISS THE SEASON FINALE! I'll find a tv with cable somewhere dammit!!

[AgentPat]

Really? Wow, I totally didn't see either of those situations that way at all.It just irritated me. At that time, she assumed Clark still had feelings for Chloe, as she accused him of at the end. As far as she knew, Clark was just being himself. Chloe was the one who was sick, but it's never been any great secret to Lana - and now Lois - that Chloe still has a pretty big soft spot in her heart for Clark. Lana could have just told her, but she didn't. The http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/censored.gif .

Getting back to Blank and the Lana/Chloe dichotomy, there's another way to look at it, though I don't think the writers were shooting for this interpretation. Chloe's interest in Clark was to protect him from slipping up. He recognized this and trusted her implicitly. Their "connection" is one of deep friendship and trust. Clark's interest in Lana on the other hand seemed purely physical. He was simply attracted to her and dove right in. When he found out HE was the one who broke off the relationship the first time, the look on his face was one of pure confusion and disbelief - like "why would I ever dump such a beautiful woman?" As far as he knew at that moment, she could have been a psycho LOL. He knew nothing about her other than he had the hots for her, they used to date, and then they broke up.

[The Guardian]

Lex said it to Clark in Bound

AAAAH, OK, THANK YOU. :D :supes:

[Triligors]

Alot of questions came up, many that I think this board might enjoy answering and still come to different conclussions:

1) Will Clark tell Lana about his powers? That's what it seems like, he says things don't have to be like they were- will he tell her?
2) Does Clark know that Chloe knows now?
3) Is Lex, Lex? Or Lex? Or both? When they recombined did more of the dark Lex survive? Rosenbaum's acting was once again great in this eppisode, and I think there were evil Lex undertones if you were paying attention. Similar gestures and speech fluctuation and him staying in shadows in the cave. Very suspicious.
4) Who is Jason? Last episode we see that he is teaming up with his mother, now we see him go into a break down? Will he become the main villain of the season, besides Lex?

[Venom71]

Great Episode! Only thing I am not sure of is does Chloe still know or not? :up:

[[Faustinas]]

Great Episode! Only thing I am not sure of is does Chloe still know or not? :up:

Yes because Kevin only zapped the lab incident from her mind, she lied when Clark asked her if he did anything unusual while Chloe was looking out for him, she just said he ended up repeated history except..

Hey Guys 'except' WHAT? What was Chloe's 'except'? I forgot

sorry that answer sucked, they'll help us out

[triplet]

I think it will be funny...


I wonder what will happen when he discovers his heat vision all over again.

:D ;)

Will he set the Talon on fire again?

HA!

Did I peg that one or what????


LOL!

I almost totally lost it when he did that... LOL! :D :up:

Too funny.

What a great episode! I loved it!

This one will get 5 outta 5 from me.

Beautiful. Simply beautiful.

[triplet]

']Yes because Kevin only zapped the lab incident from her mind, she lied when Clark asked her if he did anything unusual while Chloe was looking out for him, she just said he ended up repeated history except..

Hey Guys 'except' WHAT? What was Chloe's 'except'? I forgot

sorry that answer sucked, they'll help us out
Except this time Clark trusted her....

[Serene]

It just irritated me. At that time, she assumed Clark still had feelings for Chloe, as she accused him of at the end. As far as she knew, Clark was just being himself. Chloe was the one who was sick, but it's never been any great secret to Lana - and now Lois - that Chloe still has a pretty big soft spot in her heart for Clark. Lana could have just told her, but she didn't. The http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/censored.gif .

Like I said, I just don't agree about what her motivation was for not telling Chloe. I didn't really want to go so OT in this thread, but briefly - In the final scene where Lana visits Chloe in the hospital, she is obviously upset with Clark, as you said, she had no way of knowing that he wasn't himself when she saw him kissing Chloe, and he had no excuse to offer her. Perfectly reasonable to be upset with the guy, IMO. But she never held the make-out session against Chloe, she knew Chloe wasn't herself and told her so. She brought her flowers! :) Not telling Chloe what happened made perfect sense to me.. why make her feel bad? Chloe also knew how Lana felt about Clark, she would have felt terrible. Lana kept it to herself and chose to choose Chloe's friendship rather than hold her responsible for her "drugged" behavior.

IMO :D

Chloe's interest in Clark was to protect him from slipping up. He recognized this and trusted her implicitly. Their "connection" is one of deep friendship and trust. Clark's interest in Lana on the other hand seemed purely physical.

Yeah, I've read this take on it too many times. Needless to say, I don't agree. I don't buy that the only attraction Clark has for Lana is physical. He's known her for too many years and they were once very close. He *still* loves her, as we saw tonight. She'll never be the spunky, easy to like girl that Chloe is, but I think it's established SV canon that Lana is the love of his life.. for now. As we know he will eventually have another, and that will be the one that lasts.

[triplet]

Me TOO!! Hah!!! She was GREAT! Why can't all the episodes be like that? Who wrote this one? Anybody notice?

I did, natch. Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson.

Beautiful script and Tom totally nailed the amnesia thing, he was a fresh unsullied soul... Beautiful.

He was the essence of Superman without the human cynicism and mistrust.

:sigh:

Truly Beautiful.

I don't know whose choice that was, I'd love to ask Tom how he came to that place for Clark, but it was totally the right one. Magnificant.


Well, I'm sure they eventually will. I loved his face when she said he did one thing different: he trusted her. Oh c'mon Clark, put two and two together now, why woncha? LOL

He sometimes can be just a Big Dumb Alien but I think he'll finally get it.... ;)



[shrugs] Doubtful they'll do it in next week's ep. (I'm not nearly as psyched about that one, btw. :rolleyes: )

More Clana action it looks like, but meh... looks okay. The only positive for me is that Stephen S. DeKnight wrote and directed.... will probably be better than it looks.

SSD hasn't written a dog yet. He also wrote Run, Unsafe, Spell, and Onyx. (Although I know a lot of people didn't like Spell, I loved that one.)


Oh, BTW, Blank: 5 out of 5. :D :up:

Yeah, baby! It totally rocked!

I loved this episode... it might have even moved up ahead of Transference in my book and is snuggling right up against The Pilot.

Beautiful episode.

[Serene]

I did, natch. Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson.

I knew you'd know who wrote it. :)

Those are the two writers that are featured in an article in the newest SV magazine. There are a few really good articles in that mag, btw. The writers.. and interestingly, the music man.

Lex said it to Clark in Bound

And MellyM wins the kewpie doll! :up:

[triplet]

Just remembered another cool part - When Jason is being all scary and is in Lana's face, he says to her, "Don't give up on me.."

Remember the last character we heard say that?

**** the worst thing about not having a laptop at home anymore is that I will have to.... gasp.... take notes on my second viewing.

LOL! :D

That was great,but what did he say? "You kept me from being who I am turning into..." or something.

I screamed when he said that! (The kids looked at me like I was nuts! ;) :D )

And did his eyes actually change color after he started going off on Lana?

Could this mean that Jason is the demon Etrigan? Give a cookie to whoever thought that one up way back when at the beginning of the season. 'Cause I think it very well could!

[cheungcheung]

this was one GREAT episode.

although i missed the end of the clark/lana scene at the school...

so wat exactly did clark say to lana? that he wanted her to come by and chat that nite?

i was so confused when lana showed up at his porch, but the porch scene was GREAT. there was angst.. but the angst was really... "sweet" and gave me the early clark/lana feeling of season 1 and not the season 3 feeling, which annoyed me cuz they just kept going in circles.

a great continuation of the clana from spirit.

i am happy. especially when clark told her that this time it would be different... i just hope the writers dont forget that.

great development on the Lex front too... can't WAIT for him to become more and more evil.


as for the freak of the week, and the person wondering where they saw him from... um.. he was in mean girls...

[triplet]

as for the freak of the week, and the person wondering where they saw him from... um.. he was in mean girls...

Yeah? What part did he play? He did look vaguely familiar....

[Serene]

as for the freak of the week, and the person wondering where they saw him from... um.. he was in mean girls...

thankyouthankyouthankyou.

I did rewatch it, and decided that he reminded me of a cross between Eric Johnson (Whitney) and (hold on to your seats) Brandon Routh. :)

You are right though.. I bet he looks familiar to be from Mean Girls.

[Tomwelling4sups]

Great ep :D :up:

gosh this was so great :D wooooooooooooooo!!!

[MCRapier9]

can somebody tell me, in the last scene with clark and lana after his memory is restored, which song they're playing in the background?

[darkzombiemutt]

What a FANTASTIC episode! There was no big superpowered over the top Clark moment, yet this episode delivered. The FOTW wasnt like every other one, which was so refreshing. Tom's performance was excellent. I watch the show with my friend carrie and she kept getting weepy throughout the episode and thats never happened before. This one had heart. The Clark/Lana stuff was excellent. Lex is a very bad boy, I love it. Chloe totally knows. I loved how they ended it, with you thinking things, but they chose not to spell it out for you. I cannot wait til next week. Such a great episode to follow up from last weeks overall disappointing episode. Totally character driven.

[Michael Corleone]

I really digged this episode. Everything seemed to fall into place for this one. I really was upset with the end though...Does he know that she knows? And does she know that he knows? lol Guess we wont have a resolution for that next week but oh well. Was a nice turn from what they have been doing.

[Pickle-El]

A very fun episode....It's like a origin with the origin story. An episode of self-rediscovery, good plot points. It reminds of what is to come in the great future of Clark.

Even the Clana was good...

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Can't we convince that FOFTW to touch Bryan Singer ? :0)

[svfreakofweek]

Okay so I have a question at the end of yesterday's episode did chloe still know that he has the powers or did she forget? I dont remember how long her memory got erased

[kane9321]

ok...i'm pissed at this show.Why is chloe the "blonde-doormat" for clark?Hell she kept him safe,warned him of the danger of lex,and is always there when clark needs her,but oh no he cant trust her with his secrets..b.s. A blind man can see chloe loves clark,but the big dumb alien cant..grrrr.Clark cant remember anything..but he sure can remember...LANA?...I hate u lana I do so much

[svfreakofweek]

yea lana is annoying ive pretty much hated her since the series third episode. Hate chloe more though.

[rumpuso]

ok...i'm pissed at this show.Why is chloe the "blonde-doormat" for clark?Hell she kept him safe,warned him of the danger of lex,and is always there when clark needs her,but oh no he cant trust her with his secrets..b.s. A blind man can see chloe loves clark,but the big dumb alien cant..grrrr.Clark cant remember anything..but he sure can remember...LANA?...I hate u lana I do so much


This is the part of the Chlark that I never understood. Clark is not physically attracted to Chloe. He loves her as his best friend and he will be there for her as such. He does not 'owe' her romance because she feels differently than he does. He gives her friendship and forgiveness after she sold him down the road to Lionel Luthor two seasons back. He remains cautious in trusting her due to this...it was a huge error on her part.

Clark has always been physically attracted to Lana. You cannot always control these natural reactions.

[RakuMon]

thankyouthankyouthankyou.

I did rewatch it, and decided that he reminded me of a cross between Eric Johnson (Whitney) and (hold on to your seats) Brandon Routh. :)

You are right though.. I bet he looks familiar to be from Mean Girls.
Wow! I thought I was the only one who thought the FOTW looked like Brandon Routh. I guess GMTA.

[darkzombiemutt]

wtf, just cuz Chloe loves Clark does not obligate him to feel the same way. They've gone down that road and decided to remain friends, if she has issues with it, thats her problem, not his. She chooses to be in his life because of who he is as a person and not just as some dream guy. He is her hero, she even said something to that effect. I think Chloe now see's Clark for something he truely is and not something she wished he was.
I loved the last line with Chloe, about how when he lost his memory he made all the same choices over again, minus one. This time, he trusted her.
She remembers everything, and I really think Clark absolutely knows that she knows now.
So, who here thinks that Clark told Lana? Next episode they sure seem awfully chummy again.

[Superman1980]

Excellent episode. I really enjoyed this one. Lex is a sneeky bastard!! Chloe is the best friend that anyone would be lucky to have and even Lana was ok in this one. Can't wait for next week

[amazingfantasy15]

Great, great episode. I loved everything about it. Chloe teaching Clark about his powers was great, but even better was her finding out about X-Ray and Heat vision. Loved Heat, but X-Ray was better, totally reminded me of "Red" when he tells Pete about Chloe's panties. The Lex and Clark conversation was great, what should be even better is when Clark realizes what picture/diagram is missing. Even the Clark and Lana relationship reboot worked well, especially after the scene with Jason. I was very scared though when Chloe was strapped to the table, completely thought the writers were going to take the easy way out. Lois and Sheriff Adams reactions were perfect seeing Clark use his powers. The final scene at the Torch was the best though. As a thought as to why Clark still wants to keep the secret from Chloe thought, could be lingering effects from Pete. Pete's revelation about what it means to keep/know the secret, but I think Chloe gonna have to learn those lessons soon enough.

[triplet]

wtf, just cuz Chloe loves Clark does not obligate him to feel the same way. They've gone down that road and decided to remain friends, if she has issues with it, thats her problem, not his. She chooses to be in his life because of who he is as a person and not just as some dream guy. He is her hero, she even said something to that effect. I think Chloe now see's Clark for something he truely is and not something she wished he was.

Why hate Clark because he doesn't love Chloe? I've never understood that, so I think you've made some excellent points.

I loved the last line with Chloe, about how when he lost his memory he made all the same choices over again, minus one. This time, he trusted her.

She remembers everything, and I really think Clark absolutely knows that she knows now.

Yeah, I loved that. She told him in a sorta roundabout way that she knows.... I think that their relationship will do what I've been hoping it would: move on from Chloe's constant mooning over Clark. She loves him still, maybe even more now than she did, but maybe she realizes that it's Lana he loves and she shouldn't lose her friendship with him over that.

I loved the scene in the barnyard where she tells him what he does: You've appointed yourself to be Smallville's hero, I think that is amazing. (or something to that effect.)

I was amazed by Allison in this episode and Tom too. I loved it.

So, who here thinks that Clark told Lana? Next episode they sure seem awfully chummy again.

I don't think so. Or, at least I hope not.

I think they should have a SFAS type of moment for them close to the end of the series, if not in the series finale.

[darkzombiemutt]

Well I hoped they would to that with Clark and Lana too Trip, but Lana's issue with Clark has always been him not being honest. And when he asked her in the episode why it didnt work out between them, he found out again that it was his fault. Now losing his memory he had to learn to trust his gut and even though he forgot everything that happened while he had amnesia, I think he is trusting his gut now. And him not letting her walk off the porch is an indication that he is ready to trust his gut, not to mention I just think that Lana would expect more then more Clark promises. Did he tell her? I have no idea, but like I said, the end of the episode was done in such a way that they left the audience guessing what would happen. So I guess we'll see next week. I HOPE she doesnt know yet, simply because I like other scenerios of her finding out.

[The Sage]

Alright, good episode. Now that's how you do a stand alone episode. :up:

So it looks Clark and Lana might be getting back together. I'm cool with that, though I'd prefer he dates Chloe, she'll do almost anything for him.

Looks like Clark is left clueless to whether Chloe knows his secret or not. Funny.

And...that's all I have to say about that.

[Maelstrom]

That was great,but what did he say? "You kept me from being who I am turning into..." or something.


Could this mean that Jason is the demon Etrigan? Give a cookie to whoever thought that one up way back when at the beginning of the season. 'Cause I think it very well could!


I believe that he said "you are the only one who made me forget what I turn into."

I got the same vibe you did.

...and maybe "Mom" is really Morgan Le Fay?

[darkzombiemutt]

I think he knows she knows now. He was obviously worried when asking her to be honest with him about his memory blank. Her response was that he made all the same decisions, minus one: trusting her, was a clear indication that she knew his secret without blurting it out. IMO. I mean if she is trustworthy, blurting out, I know our secret in a public place isnt helpful. Her keeping things on the DL shows Clark that she doesnt think its a big deal.

[triplet]

I think he knows she knows now. He was obviously worried when asking her to be honest with him about his memory blank. Her response was that he made all the same decisions, minus one: trusting her, was a clear indication that she knew his secret without blurting it out. IMO. I mean if she is trustworthy, blurting out, I know our secret in a public place isnt helpful. Her keeping things on the DL shows Clark that she doesnt think its a big deal.

Good point.

It also does the same ol', same ol' for Smallville: leave us guessing at the end of the episode what really happened or what it really means...

I mean at the end of Onyx, we were lead to believe maybe that despite what he claimed, Lex remembered everything and has maybe even embraced his inner evil genius.

With the events of last night, I'm convinced he does remember and is stepping more to the dark side.

[Maelstrom]

Oh, I think Lex is definitely stepping more towards the dark side. I also think he feels somewhat justified in that he now believes Clark has been lying to him just as much as he ever lied to Clark. Their real friendship seems to be dissolving a little more all the time, and the division continues to grow.

[Superfreak]

first positive I've felt all season.

I feel that this was the best episode of the season. Everything was great, and the only complaint I can think of is the convenient mind wipe at the end. But what a great episode. The Chloe and Clark bits were priceless, especially the zero reaction from Chloe when Clark ripped the door out of the wall, loved that. Aswell as all the other revelations of powers. Great stuff

Things that really get wheels turning. An ongoing theme of manmade krypto freaks, I like that, and brings us back to Lex's secret floor at Luthorcorp.

Glad to see Jason go, ever since the China episode, they've forgotten about the character, or pushed him aside. Regardless, I'm glad they've finally made the switch from hero to villain.

I still think Lex will assemble the stones first. He's about to get his hands on Clark's stone. Having Lex get the knowledge first really ties Clark and Lex together in the future, in eternal battle, each checking the other to stave off world domination, Namaan and Sigeeth(whatever). The FOS, I think will come into play, after clark gets his hands on the assembled stones, forcing Clark to hide it somewhere...

loved the episode, waited what? nineteen episodes for a good one, and I just got it. As it's approaching finale time, I hope they stay at this quality, or better. Fingers crossed

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Good ep fer this weird season. A return to th' Freaks an' a predictable outcome, but good all th' same.

[MCRapier9]

can somebody tell me, in the last scene with clark and lana after his memory is restored, which song they're playing in the background?

^^^

[The Incredible Hulk]

I still think Lex will assemble the stones first. He's about to get his hands on Clark's stone.

I dont know why but that last sentence struck me as extremely humorous LOL :D

[The Sage]

first positive I've felt all season.

I feel that this was the best episode of the season. Everything was great, and the only complaint I can think of is the convenient mind wipe at the end. But what a great episode. The Chloe and Clark bits were priceless, especially the zero reaction from Chloe when Clark ripped the door out of the wall, loved that. Aswell as all the other revelations of powers. Great stuff

Things that really get wheels turning. An ongoing theme of manmade krypto freaks, I like that, and brings us back to Lex's secret floor at Luthorcorp.

Glad to see Jason go, ever since the China episode, they've forgotten about the character, or pushed him aside. Regardless, I'm glad they've finally made the switch from hero to villain.

I still think Lex will assemble the stones first. He's about to get his hands on Clark's stone. Having Lex get the knowledge first really ties Clark and Lex together in the future, in eternal battle, each checking the other to stave off world domination, Namaan and Sigeeth(whatever). The FOS, I think will come into play, after clark gets his hands on the assembled stones, forcing Clark to hide it somewhere...

loved the episode, waited what? nineteen episodes for a good one, and I just got it. As it's approaching finale time, I hope they stay at this quality, or better. Fingers crossed


You think this was better than Onyx?

[The Incredible Hulk]

oh and here's my review, for those who care:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/superhulk/2601.html

[darkzombiemutt]

sage, did you take any screen caps of clarks notes on the cave possibly?

[mellyM]

ok...i'm pissed at this show.Why is chloe the "blonde-doormat" for clark?Hell she kept him safe,warned him of the danger of lex,and is always there when clark needs her,but oh no he cant trust her with his secrets..b.s. A blind man can see chloe loves clark,but the big dumb alien cant..grrrr.Clark cant remember anything..but he sure can remember...LANA?...I hate u lana I do so much

Clark knows exactly how Chloe feels, and he's made it more than clear how he feels about her. I love how close Clark and Chloe have become as friends. They have a natural chemistry around each other and Clark feels very comfortable with her, its nice, its not romance, but its still important, maybe even more so. His secret has nothing to do with whether he knows Chloe loves him or not. After a lifetime of being told not to reveal his secret to anyone, how dangerous it is, its not that easy to just trust. He'll get there, and hopefully in the next 3 episodes.

[newbrando]

ok...i'm pissed at this show.Why is chloe the "blonde-doormat" for clark?Hell she kept him safe,warned him of the danger of lex,and is always there when clark needs her,but oh no he cant trust her with his secrets..b.s. A blind man can see chloe loves clark,but the big dumb alien cant..grrrr.Clark cant remember anything..but he sure can remember...LANA?...I hate u lana I do so much
I completely agree. It's not that Clark owes Chloe romantic affection, it's just that he's such a superficial dusch. I don't know how to reconcile this with the Superman who was all about looking deeper and loving the heart of people and not their appearance. I mean they basically spelled out to us that Clana is all physical attraction.

Aye, I'm going to need to start taping this show so I can fast forward the bogus parts.

[The Sage]

sage, did you take any screen caps of clarks notes on the cave possibly?

I haven't taken any. I'll see what I can do. :up:

[Lara]

I completely agree. It's not that Clark owes Chloe romantic affection, it's just that he's such a superficial dusch. I don't know how to reconcile this with the Superman who was all about looking deeper and loving the heart of people and not their appearance. I mean they basically spelled out to us that Clana is all physical attraction.

Aye, I'm going to need to start taping this show so I can fast forward the bogus parts.
I think that's harsh he is physically attracted to Chloe somewhat( note the Red K eps) but why take advantage of someone who loved him when he doesn't feel the same way. I had male friends in highchool that "loved" me and I just kept it at friendship. He remembered he didn't like Lois, it wasn't just physical he felt all the loving, goopy stuff towards Lana too. I think Chloe's speech in Fever about "the kind of girls you grow out of and the kind you grow into"" The Smallville part of him loves Lana. He will one day move on to a Chloe type but for now I think Lana is more normal and comfortable, She represents his clinging to his life in Smallville. When he's ready to move on to Metropolis he'll let her go.

[Serene]

I mean they basically spelled out to us that Clana is all physical attraction.

Well.. yes, and no.
Absolutely, he's physically attracted to her. He has been since the very first episode. But after he got his memories back, he *still* wanted to rekindle things with her. He's known her enough years, and they've been close enough that to discount his entire attraction to her as "only physical" seems short-sighted and rationalizing.

I don't get the anger people have at Clark for not loving Chloe the same way she loves Clark. He's always been honest with her about his feelings while trying to maintain the friendship with her that he really does covet. Even as recently as this season (Devoted) he *again* told her that he doesn't have those feelings for her. I totally understand sympathizing with Chloe's position, we've all been there... but to blame Clark is ridiculous.

Something else that needs to be considered.. Chloe's line to Clark about "you trusted me" was a great line.. but it also sorta misses the point. The reason he keeps his secret from her, and everyone else he cares about, is primarily to *protect* them and keep them out of harms way. It's a dangerous secret to keep, as he learned from Pete that time when he had decided to tell Lana, but changed his mind after talking to Pete and realizing how difficult and dangerous it is to possess that knowledge.

I don't think Clark told Lana.. and I don't think he will for quite a while yet. I hope to see her accept that the things he keeps from her are for a very good reason and he'll tell her when he's ready. I also hope they just decide to try being a couple again, but to do it sloooowly and casually.

[Serene]

oh and here's my review, for those who care:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/superhulk/2601.html

I care, and well done Hulk. :up: :D

[triplet]

I care, and well done Hulk. :up: :D

Yep. Well done... Mine's almost done and will be up later today, hopefully.

[MarvelMovies]

Why don't I like Chloe?

I don't want her to know any secrets at all.. and hope that her entire memory is erased... heck, for her whole life...

In a way, I was happy when Chloe "died"... by the house explosion..

I don't like her knowing Clark's secrets... and snooping around, and kinda just want her character to leave.

Dang you Chloe!!


....

and for some reason, the writers feel that everybody and their mother needs to know Clark's secret...

First Pete, now Chloe..

[Lighthouse]

Better than last weeks episode, but its still filler.

1 gripe. Why do the writers make Clark stupid? Seriously, his scene at the end of the episode had me groaning. Come on Clark, when you were filled in on the previous day and Chloe was your guide, how do you think you kept your powers secret. At the end, its SO OBVIOUS that Chloe knows, but for some reason Clark still seems unsure, and does his stupid denial dance with "Duh, did I do anything weird." Smallville writers, please, he might not be Batman with intelligence, but Supes is still pretty smart, a lot smarter than your giving him credit for.

[The Sage]

By Mutt's request:

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[The Batman]

Best ep in a while. i like the fact that Clark and Lana may be getting back together. I hope he tells her the secret

[Sioux]

After watching “Blank” last night, I have to say I enjoyed it alot. It advanced the storyline and launched the show in a different direction. What were the new revelations? Chole learned almost all of Clark’s abilities (minus flying); Lex now knows that there is a secret chamber in the cave; Lana and Jason broke up; and as for launching the show in a different direction: Lana and Clark are going to try again (I didn’t see that coming.) Now here’s my take on all of these new developments:

Chloe learning about more of Clark’s abilities: Some have said they are getting tired of the song and dance Chloe is playing with Clark with the “she knows, but he doesn’t know she knows.” I however, disagree. I’m glad the writers are not wrapping this up yet. Why? Because we still have another 22 episodes (maybe even 40-44 more episodes.) If Chloe tells Clark she knows, then basically, she becomes Pete for the 5th season. If nothing else, it builds the anticipation, and it gives us something to look forward to next year. I think it will also help Clark with the fact that Chloe knew his secret for almost half a year (depending on how long this goes) rather than just a few weeks or a month, and Chloe never betrayed him. It will give Clark a chance to really understand that despite the type of woman Chloe is – a brilliant, intuitive, pit-bull of a reporter, she basically chose to sit on a huge story rather than betray him, and in fact, she went out of her way to help him. Let’s face it, Clark has major trust issues.

Lex learning about the secret chamber: This is the first episode for me where Lex clearly and without remorse manipulated Clark and took advantage of his memory loss (just on the heels of Clark rescuing him in Onyx, no less). Last night’s episode really began to show ME the turn Lex is starting to take. He has an agenda, and he doesn’t care who is in his way, he’s going to complete that agenda. Some of you may have noticed it in earlier episodes, but this episode really shone a bright light on it for me.

Lana and Jason’s break-up: First of all, let me just say, I think poor Lana has gotten a raw deal from some of the fans, and more importantly, the writers of SV. In my opinion, Lana has NEVER stopped loving Clark. Therefore, the break-up with Jason was inevitable. If she’s going to be with a guy who’s keeping secrets, she’d rather be with Clark. Of course, this is going to turn Jason into an even more dangerous man than he already is at the moment.

Lastly, the Lana and Clark redevelopment. I’ll admit, I didn’t see this coming, but I think it’s the right thing to do. Why? Because I think the writers never gave Clark and Lana a chance to end things on better terms. I know some people want Chloe with Clark, and even though Clark and Lana may end up breaking up next year permanently, at least it will be done (hopefully) the way it should be done. Now, I have never understood the animosity some fans have for Lana. I am not a Clana, Chlark, or Clois fan. I don’t care who they pair Clark up with as long as it works. However, Lana definitely got a raw deal. In Season One, Clark pined for her; by Season Two, Lana had fallen for Clark, and by the end of that season, she and Clark got together. (I loved the birthday scene with Lana in the loft towards the end of Season Two. It was a long time in coming.) But before you could blink, Clark suddenly takes off for Metropolis, and poor Lana has no clue what happened or why. She spends the entire summer looking for Clark, and when she finds him, he breaks up with her. Season Three is spent with Lana trying to reconnect with Clark and find out why he broke up with her. She never gets a definitive answer, and with that, she decides to get away from Clark (whom she still loves) and goes to Paris. Now, she may have had her fling with Jason, but I have always believed that her heart was with Clark. Having said all that, however, the writers definitely dropped the ball on Lana’s character several times this year, most notably when Clark lost Alicia or for that matter Clark MARRYING Alicia? That should have gotten some kind of reaction from Lana (but the writers did not give her any – not her fault.) I’m hoping SV fans will give these new developments a chance without screaming about things. I think it would be good for Clark and Lana to date a little, get to a good place in their relationship, and eventually part on good terms. That has not happened yet - - and it should.

Now, I’m not sure about next week’s episode. It may prove to be a filler episode. However, it does appear to show Clark and Lana actually hanging out and enjoying each other’s company. I wish they would have put Blank, then Onyx, then Commencement for May sweeps, but either way, I’m in it for the long-haul.

Here are some things I’m looking forward to for next year:

Clark getting more superpowers (breath, actually takes to flying)
Clark realizing Chloe knows the truth (well sort-of the truth)
Does Chloe ever find out about Clark’s extraterrestrial origins? How will she react?
Will Lana ever learn any of Clark’s secrets? (She should learn something)
The growing division between Clark and Lex
Will Jonathan die next year? (I hope not, but I know it’s the final step)
Does Clark where the suit? (I don’t see how the WB will EVER let that happen right before SR opens)
How will SV explain the origin of the suit? (who thinks of it, ect. Is this even stated in the comics?)

I do believe that next year will be much darker and much more mature. It has to be in order to wrap up all the above questions and storylines. I mean if Jonathan dies - - that’s going to be a hugely sad episode, not to mention the final split between Clark and Lex.

[Mandrill]

Anyone else catch the William's Superman score when he ran after Kevin on the bike or am I hearing thing's.Just as he runs down the road and into the field you hear the Horns from the Superman score.

Also Chloe's top ..very nice.

It's wierd I started watching the show wanting Clark and Lana to get together and now I kinda ''meh'' to it.The chemistry is there it's just I don't see him ever being able to be completely honest with her.
I feel kinda sorry for Chloe as well she love's him and can handle his secret but he just doesn't feel the same.I did think with him having amnesia they might hook Clark and her up.With her knowing so much it would have ben easy for an amnesic Clark to assume they were a couple.

I really liked the scene where Chloe said be careful so he could hear with his super hearing.Simple but I liked it.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yupp, they did th' score briefly.

[Serene]

I'm not sure if these are more appropriate for here, or for the Drooling Thread. They qualify for both. I'll post my favorite in the D.T. :D

Courtesy of RubyMoon:

Now, that's a sexy jawline..
http://img249.echo.cx/img249/1574/twblank20ro.png

Is it just me, or is it getting tougher and tougher for Tom to pass as an 18 year old? LOL.. He doesn't look a thing like any of the teenaged boys I know! (thankgod)
http://img201.echo.cx/img201/6544/twblank14xp.png

[The Incredible Hulk]

Better than last weeks episode, but its still filler.

1 gripe. Why do the writers make Clark stupid? Seriously, his scene at the end of the episode had me groaning. Come on Clark, when you were filled in on the previous day and Chloe was your guide, how do you think you kept your powers secret. At the end, its SO OBVIOUS that Chloe knows, but for some reason Clark still seems unsure, and does his stupid denial dance with "Duh, did I do anything weird." Smallville writers, please, he might not be Batman with intelligence, but Supes is still pretty smart, a lot smarter than your giving him credit for.


Its not that he's dumb, its that he was looking for Chloe to admit to him what she saw. He most likely suspects she saw something "weird", he just wants her to fess up. She of course, wants him to admit it first, so she played the game right back him. It's a dance the two of them are doing to see who will come clean first, at this point

There's a difference b/t being dumb and playing dumb to get a desired result. Clark was definitely doing the latter.

[triplet]

Here's my review over on kryptonsite, for those who want to give a read:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/blankreview.htm (http://www.kryptonsite.com/blankreview.htm)

[NHawk19]

I happened to think of this when I was posting elsewhere. . . Was Clark accepted to Miami or did he just apply? (scene when he and Chloe first walk into the Talon) Also (and I know slim to none) what are the odds that Clark ends up there next year? That is where he an Bart Ran too.

[Thunder Emperor]

I happened to think of this when I was posting elsewhere. . . Was Clark accepted to Miami or did he just apply? (scene when he and Chloe first walk into the Talon) Also (and I know slim to none) what are the odds that Clark ends up there next year? That is where he an Bart Ran too.


lol i think after that quick run off to miami, he has been think of the place ever since.


was a very good eps, loved it and enjoyed every bit of it. :D :D :D :D

[NHawk19]

lol i think after that quick run off to miami, he has been think of the place ever since.


was a very good eps, loved it and enjoyed every bit of it. :D :D :D :D

Come to think of it I could use some Southbeach Action myself

[Thunder Emperor]

Come to think of it I could use some Southbeach Action myself


you telling me? after the dreadful winter we got her in boston. sunlight and heat vision is all i need :D :D :D :supes:

[NHawk19]

you telling me? after the dreadful winter we got her in boston. sunlight and heat vision is all i need :D :D :D :supes:

Take Xray over heat any day of the week

[Lara]

I happened to think of this when I was posting elsewhere. . . Was Clark accepted to Miami or did he just apply? (scene when he and Chloe first walk into the Talon) Also (and I know slim to none) what are the odds that Clark ends up there next year? That is where he an Bart Ran too.
I don't think he will but it did occur to me that Clark's concept of far away would be very different from the rest of us. He could go almost anywhere if it wasn't for the pesky explanations of how the hell he was back in Smallville all the time. Poor Clark :(

[AgentPat]

...Now, that's a sexy jawline..
http://img249.echo.cx/img249/1574/twblank20ro.pngPssst.... Serene hon, what *isn't* sexy about that man? :p

Yeah yeah, I know, take it to the drool thread. Shadup fools. :mad:
I just had to reply LOLOLOL. :p ;) :D

[Serene]

Pssst.... Serene hon, what *isn't* sexy about that man? :p


Well, let's see.. there's, uh.. umm..

I give up.
:cool: ;)

[newbrando]

Lara said: I think that's harsh he is physically attracted to Chloe somewhat( note the Red K eps) but why take advantage of someone who loved him when he doesn't feel the same way.
I would never say that someone should or should not be attracted to someone. I don’t think Clark is consciously physically attracted to Chloe, which is fine because as Lois said, she can do better. My point is that he is solely visually stimulated. That’s a very “bar guy” trait for the man of steel to have. He saw Lana and on sight alone followed her around the Talon. This is a guy who just learned he has super abilities and that he has no memory of the first 17/18 years of his life. He had way more important things that should have stimulated his concern. Doesn’t that make him seem like a puppy following a ball? On top of that, in his amnesia state he goes to ask Lana out. He has no idea of who she is or whether she is nice or not. In reality, she’s a witch, a real witch. You would think Clark, if he is supposed to be intelligent, would need more than just a cute face to make him ga-ga over someone like that. And for the record, again, that’s not love, that’s lust. It feels insulting to me that tptb never explain to me why Clark actually likes Lana as a person. So far she’s been the girl who whines a lot and always cheats on her boyfriends. All we ever get from Clark, whether or not he has amnesia, is that she’s “wicked hot.” Cool. I have no respect for that.

Eh, I don’t take it to seriously though. I know that the WB think of KK as their new Katie Holmes and so they feel that they have to write this story as if Lana is the most beautiful beauty that ever beautied. But eww, it’s just such a lame story plot to bring up again…. and again… and again….

Serene said: I don't get the anger people have at Clark for not loving Chloe the same way she loves Clark.
Again, I could care less whether this Clark goes for a girl like Chloe. It’s just that he uses her with no understanding of what her feelings are. If they would have put a scene in the show where Clark said something to Chloe about her being the only one who had stuck by him so far and asked her if he ever told her how much it meant to him when he is normal, I would be fine. But again, we see Chloe do all the work in the episode and the one we are told is the beacon that is all that is good and right with the world is Lana. Notice the heavenly light that comes on as she walks down the steps and the jingling sound of dancing fairies effect they used. Even if it’s supposed to be through Clark’s eyes, doesn’t anybody else think that was just too cheesy and too much? And doesn’t that make him look like a Neanderthal? And should this Chloe get a REALLY big reward in the end for being this selfless? But week after week she gets the shaft. Sheesh, even TV Guide picked up on it.
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/watercooler/

[darkzombiemutt]

Anyone ever heard of Love at first sight? I wouldnt put that in a bar guy catagory. Sometimes you just know.

[triplet]

Anyone ever heard of Love at first sight? I wouldnt put that in a bar guy catagory. Sometimes you just know.

You know, that's what I thought.

That look that Clark had in Blank when he saw Lana was a "love at first sight" look, not a "I want to bang her right here and now" look.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anyone ever heard of Love at first sight? I wouldnt put that in a bar guy catagory. Sometimes you just know.

I have.. I saw her fromm across the bar. She was tall, and sleek, a beautiful Amber dream. I knew just then and there I had to have her for the rest of my life. I was introduced to her and never looked back, I've never strayed from her to this day.

Yes friends, that was the night I fell in love with Sam Adams Light :D

[newbrando]

You know, that's what I thought.

That look that Clark had in Blank when he saw Lana was a "love at first sight" look, not a "I want to bang her right here and now" look.
Maybe that's what they were going for, but I didn't get that because he eye ejaculated when he saw her which is usually what happens when he is experiencing lust. The first time he did the heat vision thing before was when he saw Desiree', and that wasn't love at first sight.

I don't even believe in love at first sight but I could buy it as a plot device if they had gone more of a Romeo and Juliet-esque route. The way they did it, it came off as kind of skeevy. He's with one girl and leaves her to be with the girl who makes him hot in the pants. This is a recurring theme in the triangle with Clark/Lana/Chloe. On top of that, said girl already has a boyfriend, which AmnesiaClark didn't know. But later on even when he has his memories, he tells Lana he wants to persue a relationship anyway and at that point he DOES know she has a boyfriend. He just doesn't care.

Plus I always picture love at first sight having to do more with taking in the aura of the person. He saw Lana from like 15 feet away. He couldn't even hear her voice. They never told us what he saw that made him think she was special. I got the feeling they were telling us she's hawt. That is exactly what the guys in the bar do. They come over and can have a whole conversation with you not saying a word. They don't quite care if you have a voice, a personality, a brain cell. I just felt they could have handled that and left no doubt that he feels something deeper for Lana. But the message they continually send us is that she is beautiful and that people respond to her beauty. That's not a message you want to send to young people tptb. It's over the top gag-worthy and it needs to stop.

[The Incredible Hulk]

wow, my browser says Superherohype, but I think I'm browsing Kryptonsite for some reason :confused:

[darkzombiemutt]

lmao Hulk.

I totally took it as love at first sight. the lighting on her was very soft, the look on his face wasnt "Dayum!" It was a heart stopping look. You honestly have never felt that? Seeing someone for the first time and being so amazed by thier presence? I dont think it looked like he wanted to bone her right then and there. He had the look in his face like he was seeing for the very first time, the world looked different to him all of a sudden. And they did that be changing the lighting and i believe putting her in a slight slow mo. I thought it was very tasteful. In fact I thought the whole episode was ful of heart, unlike past episodes that infact are more like teenage wet dreams.

[newbrando]

wow, my browser says Superherohype, but I think I'm browsing Kryptonsite for some reason :confused:
I realize that you guys don't really look at the show that way but I'm not just pulling some crap out of my butt. Even TV Guide said they see a bit of what I'm talking about.

the look on his face wasnt "Dayum!" It was a heart stopping look. You honestly have never felt that? Seeing someone for the first time and being so amazed by thier presence? I dont think it looked like he wanted to bone her right then and there. He had the look in his face like he was seeing for the very first time,
Darkzom, I honestly did not see that, for the reasons I stated in my posts. I have other reasons it seemed off-putting put I'm beginning to feel like Gloria Steinem in Stepford, LOL. Eh, I'm already hated enough on the Superman Returns board and I don't really care enough about this issue. I'm going to let this one drop.

I thought the Lex progressing to the Dark Side thing was good. I hope they have something planned with that in the finale'.

[triplet]

I believe in love at first sight because I've felt it and I eventually ended up marrying him. I can still remember how that felt, even though it's been almost 20 years.

I agree with Dark Z, everything about the scene contributed to that effect: the lighting, the slow mo, her soft, unstructured blouse, her hair and make-up. Clark was seeing her again for the first time.

Actually, if you think about it we had never seen him have that moment before. He was in love with Lana already in the Pilot. So, I really enjoyed that moment even though I'm hardly the Clana fan some are over on DTS.

The lust that caused the "eye ejaculation" was tangential to the feelings he was having for her, not the cause of them.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I
The lust that caused the "eye ejaculation" was tangential to the feelings he was having for her, not the cause of them.


I think I saw "eye ejaculation" on Ripleys one time. This guy drank a glass of milk and then pulled his bottom lid back and it shot out in a stream.... :eek:



ok dont mind me, its been a long morning... :)

[triplet]

I think I saw "eye ejaculation" on Ripleys one time. This guy drank a glass of milk and then pulled his bottom lid back and it shot out in a stream.... :eek:

Ewww! :eek:

Actually, I hate that term but I guess we have Omar over TWoP to thank for that, don't we?


ok dont mind me, its been a long morning... :)

:D

It's been a long week for me. ;) So, no worries.

[HillValley85]

Spirit and Blank were great episodes. At least, Lois knew what Clark was capable of for a few seconds. BTW, did Chloe still knew Clark's powers? I had to take out the trash.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ewww! :eek:

Actually, I hate that term but I guess we have Omar over TWoP to thank for that, don't we?

.

I'll take your word on that, I dont think Ive ever been on TWoP

[The Sage]

Spirit and Blank were great episodes. At least, Lois knew what Clark was capable of for a few seconds. BTW, did Chloe still knew Clark's powers? I had to take out the trash.

You actually thought Spirit was a great episode? :eek:

[triplet]

You actually thought Spirit was a great episode? :eek:

Ewww.

The only thing that I liked about that was the Clark/Lois interaction and Martha being posessed by a teen.

She was great.

I hated Dawn with a passioin... that chick that played her went totally over the top with her.

My daughter loved that episode, however. Maybe it was a good episode for the younger crowd where going to the Prom is still an important milestone. (I hated my prom, btw. Boring as all hell and hardly worth the money I spent on my dress...So maybe that colored my attitude toward the ep? :confused: )

[darkzombiemutt]

lol, Newbrando, its ok to disagree, we are not going to hate you over here to for having an opposing viewpoint, unless you are JCDC. (lol, just kidding dude) You have every right to see it how you saw it, not a big deal, but we are on a discussion board, so we may as well discuss our opinions on the show. (unless they differ from mine) Please dont feel like I was attacking your opinions, I just felt I needed to express how I interpreted the scene. I thought the episode had real feeling to it, you did not, life goes on, right? right?? *looks around nervously*

[triplet]

lol, Newbrando, its ok to disagree, we are not going to hate you over here to for having an opposing viewpoint, unless you are JCDC. (lol, just kidding dude) You have every right to see it how you saw it, not a big deal, but we are on a discussion board, so we may as well discuss our opinions on the show. (unless they differ from mine) Please dont feel like I was attacking your opinions, I just felt I needed to express how I interpreted the scene. I thought the episode had real feeling to it, you did not, life goes on, right? right?? *looks around nervously*

Yep.

I hope I didn't give the impression that I was angry or upset either. I just have a different view of that scene than newbrando did.

[newbrando]

Oh I know you guys aren’t like the Superman’s Returns board. It’s just you never know if people are like “I’m a Chlarker” or “I’m a Clana.” Having conversations with people who already put themselves into a camp is like banging your head up against a wall. They honestly feel that you have issues if you don’t “see the chemistry” in whatever pairing they love. I’d rather visit the dentist than debate that chemistry stuff! :eek:

I just like looking for the message behind what the writers are telling you. Being that I’m an Associate Producer, I’m always conscious of “the moral of the story” when I put something together. I know that in WB-esque shows the pretty girl is always the center of the story. That’s why we get dreck like Mischa Barton and Katie Holmes. I’ve never watched either of their shows, but I know that the stories allow them to get away with more because that’s the writers way of letting you know they are special and should be celebrated. Sometimes the writers give you a little something extra to make you understand why one girl is “the best girl in town.” For instance, I’ve never seen Buffy, but I’m told that her character wasn’t focused on looks. She got her power elsewhere.

I think Smallville fails miserable to set up the moral that ‘beauty isn’t everything.’ If they are really trying to tell me that there is something greater than physical attraction then TELL ME. Honest to Jorel, it’s been four years and Clark loves Lana why? He has never said or showed us what makes this girl special. I know that the WB are using KK as a vehicle and they really feel like they don’t have to do more than put her in front of you to make you understand why men would love her. But I AM one of those people who need more and I hate feeling guilty that I don’t like her when in reality I feel like they should be teaching people that is ok not to like her. She does some pretty crappy things to people. And the other characters at least try to consistently help another character. Lana never does this. Every story is about her satisfying her own needs. I do feel like it teaches young girls, and boys that people will “fall in love with you at first sight” if you are pretty and have that quiet demeanor. I honestly don’t get why no one ever becomes UNattracted to her once that find out she’s selfish and a witch. It’s confusing. :confused:

[Serene]

I would never say that someone should or should not be attracted to someone. I don’t think Clark is consciously physically attracted to Chloe, which is fine because as Lois said, she can do better.
I'm not sure if you mean that as a slam to Clark, or simply that Chloe can do better by finding someone who will return her feelings. The latter I agree with.

My point is that he is solely visually stimulated. That’s a very “bar guy” trait for the man of steel to have. He saw Lana and on sight alone followed her around the Talon.

Wasn't it Chloe who said, "The heart remembers.."

On top of that, in his amnesia state he goes to ask Lana out. He has no idea of who she is or whether she is nice or not.

:confused: But he does know, thanks to Chloe, that Lana is the love of his life and that they used to be a couple. Why is it people seem to overlook that? He sees this vision of loveliness that sets all his alarms (and eyes) off.. then he finds out that she is something REALLY special to him. I think he can safely assume she was "nice."

In reality, she’s a witch, a real witch.
Um, okay.

You would think Clark, if he is supposed to be intelligent, would need more than just a cute face to make him ga-ga over someone like that. And for the record, again, that’s not love, that’s lust. It feels insulting to me that tptb never explain to me why Clark actually likes Lana as a person. So far she’s been the girl who whines a lot and always cheats on her boyfriends. All we ever get from Clark, whether or not he has amnesia, is that she’s “wicked hot.” Cool. I have no respect for that.

I think you shortchange Clark an awful lot. He *is* an intelligent guy, and he has his own feelings about Lana that haven't changed in the past several years of knowing her, and knowing her well. I've *never* gotten the impression that he's the kind of guy that would have such deep enduring feelings for someone just because he thinks she's "wicked hot." I give him much more credit than that. I can honestly understand your hatred of Lana much more than I can get any kind of grasp on you holding Clark to blame for having his feelings towards her (and not Chloe).

Again, I could care less whether this Clark goes for a girl like Chloe. It’s just that he uses her with no understanding of what her feelings are.
I'm probably about as tired of the "poor put-upon Chloe" diatribes as you are of the Beautiful Lana stuff.
The only thing he is guilty of in terms of Chloe is trying to retain that friendship with her despite her feelings for him. Would it have been better if he had simply blown her off after telling her that he doesn't return her feelings? I think he honestly doesn't want to lose her as a friend.. she means a lot to him. I don't see how that's using her though.. He doesn't twist her arm to get her to help with the investigations.. that's just what Chloe naturally does, regardless of Clark.

Obviously, we aren't going to agree on this.. that's okay. It's always interesting to read the thoughts from the other side of the fence.

[jas01724]

Actually, I hate that term but I guess we have Omar over TWoP to thank for that, don't we?We have that nit to thank for many of the stupid names that have been given to various aspects of the show. Worse, he thinks he's being clever.

[Serene]

We have that nit to thank for many of the stupid names that have been given to various aspects of the show. Worse, he thinks he's being clever.

I think he's very funny.. but it is disturbing how much he seems to hate just about everything about the show. I hope they're paying him well to sit and watch it every week. (Joking, I think it's doubtful he gets paid.. other than in being idolized by all the other show haters there).

[newbrando]

I'm not sure if you mean that as a slam to Clark,
Oh nothing I’m saying is meant as a slam. It’s really how I feel.

Wasn't it Chloe who said, "The heart remembers.."
Yeah but just because they give Chloe one throw away line doesn’t mean it negates what they showed us on screen. He was visually stimulated by what he saw. If they would have showed us something that told us he actually “remembered” who she was, I would say ok. But immediately preceding that line, he said, “Who is that?” He didn’t remember her at all, so that was not his heart.

But he does know, thanks to Chloe, that Lana is the love of his life and that they used to be a couple. Why is it people seem to overlook that? He sees this vision of loveliness that sets all his alarms (and eyes) off.. then he finds out that she is something REALLY special to him. I think he can safely assume she was "nice."
Even if I give you that you have to admit, following her around the Talon before he knew anything about her is like a fly following the light. It doesn’t make him look balanced. Even if Chloe told him all about their love affair (and how painful would that have been for her) it’s STILL a plot contrivance. Because we then have to believe that Chloe never told him that she’s a witch, or that they always break up after two days, or that SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND. It’s the writers selective shoehorning of the Clana where they want and how “special” they want it to be, that makes Clark seem shallow. I mean when he walks up to her, Lana says, “Sorry I didn’t come to visit you. I heard you were sick.” He never, never picks up the signals that she is not a caring person.

I give him much more credit than that.
And I would never begrudge you the right to give a character credit. I’m just saying that the writers should give us some credit to show us more about what good qualities Lana has that makes him so enamored and how these qualities shape him to be the person he is.

I can honestly understand your hatred of Lana much more than I can get any kind of grasp on you holding Clark to blame for having his feelings towards her (and not Chloe).
Woah, that’s a whole lot more feeling than I would ever want to have for a show. I couldn’t hate a fictional character. I’m happy she’s not real. I also don’t blame Clark for having feelings for her, he is not real. I just think the writers do a poor job of showing us the Superman is selfless in interpersonal situations. This Clark is all about getting what his “heart” wants and that’s not really admirable. I want sacrifice for the good of something greater – like you care too much about hurting your friend. And double that for how Lana interacts with people on a personal level.

I'm probably about as tired of the "poor put-upon Chloe" diatribes as you are of the Beautiful Lana stuff.
The difference, I think, is that the poor put-upon Chloe diatribes come from the audience. It’s a knee jerk reaction. If someone was saying to Clark or Lana on the screen, “Chloe deserves better,” I don’t think you would get that rabid protective thing from the audience. And I think its bad writing, because I don’t really think the writers want you to not like the other characters because of how they treat her. But when you get even TV Guide picking up on the fact that the main character dumps on her, that’s a very bad sign.

I don't see how that's using her though.. He doesn't twist her arm to get her to help with the investigations.. that's just what Chloe naturally does, regardless of Clark.
I think that the writers think that since that’s her “role” they can treat her like Teflon. “Oh, Chloe’s the tough reporter type. Let’s see her take a hit and bounce back.” Just because someone is willing to do something for Clark, doesn’t mean they should have him taking advantage of the opportunity each time they offer. Let’s go back to the bar analogy, since we’re on a roll. If I don’t like a guy, I’m not going to sit there and have him keep buying me drinks. Sure he’d be shelling out money for drinks to some other girl anyway, but it’s the principle of not taking more than what you deserve. And if I do take the drinks, I’m not going to take the attitude of, “Well that’s what he’s supposed to do. He’s a guy in a bar after all.” It’s called being gracious. If someone gives you something, even if they just did it because they want to, show some genuine appreciation. I don’t think Clark shows Chloe that without her, he couldn’t be who he is.

[Serene]

If someone gives you something, even if they just did it because they want to, show some genuine appreciation. I don’t think Clark shows Chloe that without her, he couldn’t be who he is.

I guess I don't understand how much more he's supposed to do to show his appreciation. He has saved her life a time or two...

I think that considering her his best friend should count for a whole lot. Why isn't that enough? Because she loves him? I do sympathize with her, but not to the point of blaming Clark.

(Your sig still cracks me up, btw) :)

[triplet]

I just like looking for the message behind what the writers are telling you. Being that I’m an Associate Producer, I’m always conscious of “the moral of the story” when I put something together. I know that in WB-esque shows the pretty girl is always the center of the story. That’s why we get dreck like Mischa Barton and Katie Holmes. I’ve never watched either of their shows, but I know that the stories allow them to get away with more because that’s the writers way of letting you know they are special and should be celebrated. Sometimes the writers give you a little something extra to make you understand why one girl is “the best girl in town.” For instance, I’ve never seen Buffy, but I’m told that her character wasn’t focused on looks. She got her power elsewhere.

I think Smallville fails miserable to set up the moral that ‘beauty isn’t everything.’ If they are really trying to tell me that there is something greater than physical attraction then TELL ME. Honest to Jorel, it’s been four years and Clark loves Lana why? He has never said or showed us what makes this girl special. I know that the WB are using KK as a vehicle and they really feel like they don’t have to do more than put her in front of you to make you understand why men would love her. But I AM one of those people who need more and I hate feeling guilty that I don’t like her when in reality I feel like they should be teaching people that is ok not to like her. She does some pretty crappy things to people. And the other characters at least try to consistently help another character. Lana never does this. Every story is about her satisfying her own needs. I do feel like it teaches young girls, and boys that people will “fall in love with you at first sight” if you are pretty and have that quiet demeanor. I honestly don’t get why no one ever becomes UNattracted to her once that find out she’s selfish and a witch. It’s confusing. :confused:

Interesting view point, and although I still think that Lana is loved by Clark just because she is (it doesn't have to be logical for him) but it should be for the writers....

So, I still don't totally agree but I see your point.

Lana isn't a fully realized character, but I think they've tried this season to rectify that a bit.

What kind of show are you an associate producer of?

I'm curious...

[RakuMon]

I think the other thing to remember is that Lana is Clark's high school crush.
There is rarely any reasoning, rational or otherwisr, when you "fall in love" with someone when you're an inexperienced teenager. I remember some of the unrequited high school crushes I've had, and looking back on those times as a responsible, married adult, I can't for the life of me remember why I felt the way I did about certain people.

I totally buy that Lana is the one Clark thinks he's destined to be with. It's not rare for teens to feel this way about someone they "love." The dramatic irony of it all is that WE know she, ultimately, ISN'T the one. The relationship he has with Lois is the one that is developed. Even though they "hate" each other now, we can see their relationship evolving.

The thing about the Chloe/Clark dynamic, is that it is also very representative of teenage relationships. This is just an example of unrequited love, and I don't think it is any different than the Clark/Lana dynamic, just from a different POV. I think we need to remember that they are all teens on the show, even if they all do look like they're in their 30s! :D

[newbrando]

I guess I don't understand how much more he's supposed to do to show his appreciation. He has saved her life a time or two...
I think in order for it to be sincere appreciation, it would have to reflect what the recipient really wants. Saving her life is nice, but since he does it for everyone, I don’t think it’s a ‘You are my friend. This is how I say thank you” thing.

This is off-topic but, I was kind of annoyed that Clark suggested Chloe to be prom queen. The thing is… she didn’t want to be prom queen. I mean she took it as a means to get her point across. Or at least, she thought she would get to make a point when she gave her speech. But really she wanted to celebrate the prospect of moving ahead to a brighter future. I think it would have been nice if Clark would have A)Even without propelling her to prom queen status, gone with her to the prom as a friend or B)After suggesting her as prom queen, told her he wouldn’t go with her (because he doesn’t like her that way) but he would show up just to be a pillar of support. But you know what it is, WB-esque executives see the prom queen crown as some kind of goal that girls MUST want. So even if you have a character who could show that there is so much more to life than being crowned prom queen, they screw it up by mixing their messages and saying, “See, at least she got to be queen for a day.” I mean, who the heck cares. Even the character that got the crown didn’t care. Missed opportunities, I tell you.

Interesting view point, and although I still think that Lana is loved by Clark just because she is (it doesn't have to be logical for him) but it should be for the writers....
The main problem I see is that sometimes I do go to DTS or even sometimes the WB site and SOME of the young people are getting some really screwed up ideas from the show. I mean, when people ask them why Clana should happen as opposed to other relationships they say things like, “They just look the best together.” “Clark’s too hot for Chloe.” “Chloe has a big mouth and guys don’t like that.” “Lana is pretty and nice.” “Chloe would tell Clark what to do all the time.” That’s just sad to me. It would be nice if Smallville was teaching kids to think a little bit deeper because that’s what I think of Clark Kent as being about. He fell in love with a strong willed, intelligent, pull no punches woman and it made him a better man because of it. Smallville unfortunately tends to reinforce the idea that men like small and cute. And smart go-get-em type women are good for stuff – but you won’t be attracted to them… well because… you’re just not attracted to them.

Of course then you get some of those smarties over at the WB site who totally get it that KK is the WB darling and no matter what, the show WILL revolve around her somewhat. They are awesome because just that understanding alone helps me see that they have thought past what the narrative is telling them. There are enough skewed images of women out there that at least I know that have step #1 in critical thinking down.

What kind of show are you an associate producer of?
I work for a Time Warner station but it’s actually a cable station. We do documentaries about crime and justice. Interestingly, the same themes often appear in our shows that do in Smallville – young woman is stalked, blah, blah, blah. Think Dateline crime stories. Unfortunately, usually the woman gets taken advantage of pretty badly and our job as documentarians is to show how she rebuilds and empowers herself (if she’s still alive) or how the community brings justice to the perp (if she’s dead). That’s probably why I’m so hyper-sensitive to the “weak woman syndrome” they promote on Smallville. Lana is a walking victim. Seriously, she's everything you shouldn't be if you want to be a respected, don't mess with me type of woman. In one of my shows, holding up Lana as the beacon of love is very very dangerous.

I think we need to remember that they are all teens on the show, even if they all do look like they're in their 30s!
Oh I know. It’s just that usually they use the parents to offer a more realistic idea of what’s going on outside of the teen world. Unfortunately, the Kents just love Lana and act like she is the love of his life. They always give him these, “Well if you really feel for her maybe you should tell her how you feel son” which is fine. But it would be nice if just once they showed that this is just Clark being young by saying, “Hey son, you’re going to grow out of this.” Or even if they don’t tell it to him, they could have a conversation with each other where they admit that Clark is going through a phase and he just has a crush. Every episode though, everyone reinforces that this is the most dramatic love that ever loved in lovely town where love is loved the most. It makes me gag sometimes.

[triplet]

^^ Again, interesting points and I see what you're getting at but this isn't real life.

I can see with your documentarian background where this stuff is coming up short, I'm no feminist but Lana should be able to take pride in herself as a person no matter who she's dating. I think they've improved that somewhat this season with her taking more charge of her life and not being the damsel in distress as much.

I know the girls bashing Chloe for her looks or saying Tom belongs with Lana because they look good together isn't healthy, but I'm not sure it's indicative of how those girls feel about Kristin or Lana.

A lot of it is stalkerish type of behavior as part of their romantic idealization of Tom/Clark, not what they expect Lana's or Kristin's role should be.

You ever read (on the forums that allow people to discuss his wife) what some of those same girls say about Jaime?

Yikes!

:eek:

These girls are also the ones who hate that Lana isn't wearing pink anymore or that Jason isn't as good looking as Clark. Some of them are likely stalkers in the making. I've done some reasearch on the topic for a script I'm working on and they are right up there with the Robert Bardos of the world...

Their relationships with Tom as a person are not healthy. They have trouble seperating him from the part he plays as Clark. They feel betrayed in some sense by his not being married to Kristin since the show has set up the expectation that they are the ideal couple. It's creepy in the worst kind of way, actually.

But I'm not sure that the feelings they have toward Chloe or Lana (or Allison and Kristin) are a problem caused by the girl's roles as written or more a symptom of their Tom Welling obsessions.

[newbrando]

^^ Again, interesting points and I see what you're getting at but this isn't real life.
Ya yah, I know. I’m just a talker and I like to critic. You should see what I was like after I saw “Maid in Manhattan!” :eek:
I just know that art imitates life and life imitates art and that’s why shows geared at young people should be careful.

I think they've improved… somewhat this season with her taking more charge of her life and not being the damsel in distress as much.
I don’t think so because they’ve conveniently made her possessed by a witch. It will be used later to say that all her aggressive behavior was not really her. Oh and she still gets to be the victim, “Poor Lana, taken over by a witch and all.”
In the beginning of Season 4, I started to really like her. She stopped doing her whisper voice and wringing her hands when she talked. Her stance was more empowered. Then I found out it was because she’s a witch and I was like, “Oh for Pete’s sake.” Now she’s back to doing the whisper voice and nervous mannerisms again. Note the scene where she breaks up with Jason – she’s pulling her sleeves down over her hands nervously. Oh well.

But I'm not sure that the feelings they have toward Chloe or Lana (or Allison and Kristin) are a problem caused by the girl's roles as written
Yeah there is probably more going on. But I wasn’t just talking about the girls. The boys are just as likely to speculate that Clark doesn’t like Chloe because “she’s not doable.” Not surprisingly, they hold on to their disgusting views of women and become big time producers (cough) Al/Miles (cough).

They feel betrayed in some sense by his not being married to Kristin since the show has set up the expectation that they are the ideal couple. It's creepy in the worst kind of way, actually.
Oh I’ve seen those kinds of posts. They are very scary. The only thing I am hoping is that those girls are young and just need to get out more. LOL. It’s weird, I have no idea what they get out of thinking the two of them are having an affair in real life, but wait a minute, now that I type that, I also know some people like to pretend that Rosenbaum and Welling are having an affair. They are not so young. Perplexing.

Your script sounds interesting. That would be great if you could give us an overview. I don’t know if Tom would feel threatened by these teen fans though. You know most of the really dangerous stalkers (like Bardo) are men and actually had access to their targets. These girls usually live way far away. But I’d love to hear more. Have a good weekend.

[Serene]

I mean, when people ask them why Clana should happen as opposed to other relationships they say things like, “They just look the best together.” “Clark’s too hot for Chloe.” “Chloe has a big mouth and guys don’t like that.” “Lana is pretty and nice.” “Chloe would tell Clark what to do all the time.” That’s just sad to me. It would be nice if Smallville was teaching kids to think a little bit deeper because that’s what I think of Clark Kent as being about. He fell in love with a strong willed, intelligent, pull no punches woman and it made him a better man because of it. Smallville unfortunately tends to reinforce the idea that men like small and cute. And smart go-get-em type women are good for stuff – but you won’t be attracted to them… well because… you’re just not attracted to them.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it's a lot easier for most women to identify with Chloe.. but the fact that Lana isn't Chloe shouldn't be held against her. It's always easy to hate the pretty girl and overlook anything else she does because of her looks. Lana isn't as funny or as spunky as Chloe.. she's just a nice girl who hung up her pom-pons and tiaras as a freshman to become a working girl trying to make her way. She's got definite identity and family issues which left her needy for security.. like a lot of women I know. I think leaving for Paris to try and find her own way was admirable... and indicative of smart, go-get-em behavior. She's always been depicted as a bit of a goody-two-shoes if anything.. not unlike our hero, btw.. and that can be a boring, but it doesn't make her bad or unlikeable, IMO.. in fact, quite the opposite.

Of course then you get some of those smarties over at the WB site who totally get it that KK is the WB darling and no matter what, the show WILL revolve around her somewhat. They are awesome because just that understanding alone helps me see that they have thought past what the narrative is telling them. There are enough skewed images of women out there that at least I know that have step #1 in critical thinking down.
And I would say that there is more than one way to be an admirable female role model. If anything, being a doormat and dwelling on unrequited feelings for 4 years is a more disturbing characterization that I wish they'd just quit already.

[triplet]

nevermind

[Lara]

Clark has loved Lana since he was 5! I can't remember the episode but it was stated clearly. He has always loved her. You have an intensly lonely, different little boy looking out the window falling in love with his little neighboor that's NOT based on lust. He loved Lana for years before he even MET Chloe. If anything he's just intensly loyal in his romantic feelings. The funny thing is I've always considered myself more of a chlark person. I just can't stand the idea that loving Lana is a character flaw but loving Chloe would be a sign of intelligence and deepness.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

I'm really really impressed, this was very well made. The mix of everything was great, just wish more episodes in season 4 had a balance like this... I hope the last episode will be on the same line.

[BH/HHH]

I liked this episode and it left me wanting more. Has Clark finally clicked that Chloe's knows? (if he didn't get that hint he needs a slap) Are Clark and Lana back together?

[Sioux]

I think Season Four is a misunderstood season. I know it's just my opinion, but if you look at the season overall, it was a good season. Frankly, I think it gave Tom Welling his best work - definitely let him flex his acting muscles. I've heard a lot of people comment that this wasn't a good season, so I decided to take a look at the episodes and find the ones that I really didn't care for this year. I only found three: Bound, Krypto, and Lucy. In my opinion, Bound was not done well at all - not a well planned script. As for Krypto and Lucy - true definitions of "filler" episodes. Normally, I don't mind, but basically, the episodes spotlighted the dog and Lois' sister, not Clark.

Having said all that, however, that's only three episodes for the entire season. The Best episodes: Crusade, Transference, Run, Jinx, Unsafe, Pariah, Onyx, Blank. Funny/enjoyable episodes that brought out the banter in Clark/Lois and Chloe: Gone, Fascade, Devoted, Recruit. Now, the rest of the episodes are in the grey area. I didn't love them, but I didn't hate them either. They could have been done better, but they were amusing in their own way: Spell, Scared, Sacred.

Overall, I think the season has been good. A LOT more character development for Clark than we have ever seen in previous seasons.

[BH/HHH]

I think Season Four is a misunderstood season. I know it's just my opinion, but if you look at the season overall, it was a good season. Frankly, I think it gave Tom Welling his best work - definitely let him flex his acting muscles. I've heard a lot of people comment that this wasn't a good season, so I decided to take a look at the episodes and find the ones that I really didn't care for this year. I only found three: Bound, Krypto, and Lucy. In my opinion, Bound was not done well at all - not a well planned script. As for Krypto and Lucy - true definitions of "filler" episodes. Normally, I don't mind, but basically, the episodes spotlighted the dog and Lois' sister, not Clark.

Having said all that, however, that's only three episodes for the entire season. The Best episodes: Crusade, Transference, Run, Jinx, Unsafe, Pariah, Onyx, Blank. Funny/enjoyable episodes that brought out the banter in Clark/Lois and Chloe: Gone, Fascade, Devoted, Recruit. Now, the rest of the episodes are in the grey area. I didn't love them, but I didn't hate them either. They could have been done better, but they were amusing in their own way: Spell, Scared, Sacred.

Overall, I think the season has been good. A LOT more character development for Clark than we have ever seen in previous seasons.

I agree with you. To me the weakest Season so far has been 3 there were just a few episodes in there tht just didn't feel right to me (Magnetic is the worst episode ever).

[Sioux]

I agree that some episodes in Season three were not good (totally agree about Magnetic - also Slumber and Resurrection), but there were alot of great episodes from Season three (Exile, Phoenix, Extinction, Perry, Relic, Shattered, Asylum, Whisper, Obsession, Legacy, Memoria, Truth). I actually loved season three, mainly because it was very dramatic and you never knew when or if Lionel was going to find out Clark's secret. It was a great cat and mouse game between these two all season. I think, if anything, that's what season four is missing. There is no danger for Clark. I miss that alot.

[Dr Magneto Doom]

Wait wait, someone actually thinks Season 1 or 2 are better than 3? lol... I've heard it all now.

Season 3 was Lex's stage, he shined and is why it's the best. He is a better actor than TW imo and did great. Season 4 has been a mix of season 1 & 2 with a lil from season 3 also. Season 5 will probably be a mix of season 3 and 4 I'd assume. I think it's quiet obvious that Lana will sooner or later find out about Clark and like the comics maybe leave in season 5? It makes sense.

[BH/HHH]

I'm not saying I didn't like Season 3 it was good but some of the episodes were not that good and Doom laugh all you want Season 2 is the best season of Smallville so far.

[Lara]

I'm not saying I didn't like Season 3 it was good but some of the episodes were not that good and Doom laugh all you want Season 2 is the best season of Smallville so far.
I know it's unpopular but I kinda agree with you I think Smallville really hit it's stride in season 2 and it had some of my all time favorite episodes. 3 Was really good but the Adam storyline drug it down. I've yet to watch my season 3 dvd's it may help it when it's viewed as a overall season. I have also enjoyed this year alot. I think people's opinons of it will improve with the season finale when things are tied up and they can see where tptb were headed.

[triplet]

I know it's unpopular but I kinda agree with you I think Smallville really hit it's stride in season 2 and it had some of my all time favorite episodes. 3 Was really good but the Adam storyline drug it down. I've yet to watch my season 3 dvd's it may help it when it's viewed as a overall season. I have also enjoyed this year alot. I think people's opinons of it will improve with the season finale when things are tied up and they can see where tptb were headed.

I really liked Season 3, some of my favorites episodes are from that season, but I think Season 4 has been underestimated in its overall quality.

Yeah, there have some misses (Lucy probably being the most dreadful episode this season) but the hits have been right up there with the best of the other seasons: like Run, Transference, Crusade and Onyx.

Once the witch/stone storyline gets wrapped up and we find out just where they're going with these things (I agree with you) I think people will look on this season in a different light.

[BH/HHH]

I know it's unpopular but I kinda agree with you I think Smallville really hit it's stride in season 2 and it had some of my all time favorite episodes. 3 Was really good but the Adam storyline drug it down. I've yet to watch my season 3 dvd's it may help it when it's viewed as a overall season. I have also enjoyed this year alot. I think people's opinons of it will improve with the season finale when things are tied up and they can see where tptb were headed.

Thats what I wasn't keen on in Season 3, the Adam Knight storyline was a bit blah and i really hated Magnetic I am gonna watch the Season again on DVD. I thionk the weakest episode of thsi season was Recruit.

I am really enjoying Season 4 my faves have been:

Crusade: I'll admit it its all because of that flying scene I loved it
Devoted: I just loved this I just thought its entertainment factor was right on
Run: The Falsh need I say more
Transference: Just a fun episode
Spell: I thought it was hilarious
Unsafe: Return of the hottest babe in Smallville
Pariah: Clrk snapped and i liked it
Onyx: Best episode ever Clark was like Superman, Lex was evil
Blank: I got a real Superman vibe when Clark saved Chloe and the looks on Lois and the Sherriff's faces were priceless.

[Sioux]

Wait wait, someone actually thinks Season 1 or 2 are better than 3? lol... I've heard it all now.

Season 3 was Lex's stage, he shined and is why it's the best. He is a better actor than TW imo and did great. Season 4 has been a mix of season 1 & 2 with a lil from season 3 also. Season 5 will probably be a mix of season 3 and 4 I'd assume. I think it's quiet obvious that Lana will sooner or later find out about Clark and like the comics maybe leave in season 5? It makes sense.

Yes, Lex was good in Season 3, but frankly, I don't think it was so much about him as it was about Lionel, and sorry, but IMO the stage belongs to Clark. It's all about his evolution, which is what I enjoy. And for the record, I'm not trying to pick an argument. You obviously are a big Lex fan (I like him too), but I tip my hat to Clark and Welling. His character has changed more than any other from Season 1 to Season 4, which it should. We are trying to get him to the point of becoming Superman. I've enjoyed the ride.

I think Season 5 (if it's the last season) will be the best of all. So many things are set to happen:

The final confrontation/split between Clark and Lex. What starts it?
Does Jonathan die next year?
Does Clark develop the rest of his abilities?
What about flying? He really has not flown as Clark yet. That's going to be a great scene.

If next year proves to be the last season, then the producers should not waste time on any filler or simple episodes. Everything should gear up to a great series finale.

[BH/HHH]

If Season 5 is the end I would love Clrk to have to defeat some Kryptonian villain in another 90 minute finale that would be so awesome.

[Thunder Emperor]

Yes, Lex was good in Season 3, but frankly, I don't think it was so much about him as it was about Lionel, and sorry, but IMO the stage belongs to Clark. It's all about his evolution, which is what I enjoy. And for the record, I'm not trying to pick an argument. You obviously are a big Lex fan (I like him too), but I tip my hat to Clark and Welling. His character has changed more than any other from Season 1 to Season 4, which it should. We are trying to get him to the point of becoming Superman. I've enjoyed the ride.

I think Season 5 (if it's the last season) will be the best of all. So many things are set to happen:

The final confrontation/split between Clark and Lex. What starts it?
Does Jonathan die next year?
Does Clark develop the rest of his abilities?
What about flying? He really has not flown as Clark yet. That's going to be a great scene.

If next year proves to be the last season, then the producers should not waste time on any filler or simple episodes. Everything should gear up to a great series finale.


i agree with you, but i want pa kent to live. he is such a nice guy.

[Lighthouse]

i agree with you, but i want pa kent to live. he is such a nice guy.
Which makes his death have much more of an impact. JK is going to die. They wouldn't even bother with the heart issue if he wasn't. When he does die, Welling better pull out some tears. He's proven he can act in a few of the past episodes, but he better pull out all the stops for Jonathan's death. This scene has to be one of the most powerful of the series.

[AgentPat]

Which makes his death have much more of an impact. JK is going to die. They wouldn't even bother with the heart issue if he wasn't. When he does die, Welling better pull out some tears. He's proven he can act in a few of the past episodes, but he better pull out all the stops for Jonathan's death. This scene has to be one of the most powerful of the series.Okay, not related to Blank, but I figured I'd reply to this post and kill two birds with one stone. Bumpity bump...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vengeance3.jpg

^ As seen in Vengeance. Probably the saddest, most emotional scene in the entire series. Well, it was for me.

[Whiteflag]

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/vengeance3.jpg

^ As seen in Vengeance. Probably the saddest, most emotional scene in the entire series. Well, it was for me.

Absolutely! :csad: