my next worry: if enigma2k is for real... :(

[superfever]

my next worry: if enigma2k is for real, then superman is the kid's father and the kid has telekinetic power. it sounds totally BS, insane and impossible. but he did say that... :(

[bosef982]

Who is enigma2k? Why should I care what he said? What has he said that has given us any validity in what he's said past what I think when anyone else SPECULATES?

[superfever]

he was the first one give us the description of superman suit. all is head on. because he said it in a very negative tone, we dish him and bash him right away. and then, batgirl came and give us the almost exact description but in a very positive tone. we welcome her with big arms.

[scifiwolf]

If Superman was gone for 6 years, and the kid is 4-5 years old, how could he be Supermans? Unless Kryptonian sperm is really slow, but I'd think it'd be supersperm.

[Lord Blackbolt]

they changed it to 4 years

[superfever]

the timing is perfect. :p

not to kicking the death horse again... but this enigma2k... he seems isn't lying now.
:(

[Captain Villa]

Who is enigma2k? Why should I care what he said? What has he said that has given us any validity in what he's said past

We called him a liar when he gave us a desctription of a suit we all hated, inch by inch.

That description is spot on to what was released yesterday.

I apologise for not believing him. He seems real.

[superfever]

but later he talked about the superkid and his power. this was totally insane. how could we take him seriously.

[The Guard]

Enigma's description wasn't spot on, and there were others before him that described the suit in more detail.

[Desk]

I'm very inclined to believe that the boy will be revealed as Superman's.

It just seems too coincidental that Superman is gone from Earth for between 4-6 years, and in the scenes where he has returned Lois is holding a boy who could, ahem, "conceivably," be his.

It also ties into Singer's reports that the new film will follow the second film, which saw a mortal Supes consummate his relationship with Lois.

[The Batman]

I'm starting to think enigma is right...

his description of the suit sounded awful...and the suit is awful. he said everyone would hate the suit...and guess what? Pretty much everyone hates the suit....

[CConn]

If Superman was gone for 6 years, and the kid is 4-5 years old, how could he be Supermans? Unless Kryptonian sperm is really slow, but I'd think it'd be supersperm.Actually, if the boy is indeed 5 (and 3 months to be exact) the timeline would fit perfectly: 5 years and 3 months + 9 months = 6 years.

[Captain Villa]

I'm starting to think enigma is right...

his description of the suit sounded awful...and the suit is awful. he said everyone would hate the suit...and guess what? Pretty much everyone hates the suit....

:up:

[SupesAffiliate]

And then at the end the kid will evolve beyond anything humanly imaginable and leave Earth to explore the infinate cosmos with his super brain powers.

[The Guard]

Dr. Manhattan? :)

[scifiwolf]

Actually, if the boy is indeed 5 (and 3 months to be exact) the timeline would fit perfectly: 5 years and 3 months + 9 months = 6 years.
Yeah, I already did that math and came to that conclusion. I was just being funny, but I think the humor turned out kinda lame. It's the dreary weather outside. It's throwin me off. Seriously, it's freakin snowing!

[Alexander]

Pish posh. The only way for Supes to bang Lois would be with a Kriptonite condom, and that would kill him. Haven´t you ever read Larry Niven´s "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex'? It´s online somewhere!

Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
By Larry Niven*

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Things of the form (*text*) are footnotes in the original text.

He's faster than a speeding bullet. He's more powerful than a locomotive. He's able to leap tall buildings at a single bound. Why can't he get a girl?

At the ripe old age of thirty-one (*Superman first appeared in Action Comics, June 1938*), Kal-El (alias Superman, alias Clark Kent) is still unmarried. Almost certainly he is still a virgin. This is a serious matter. The species itself is in danger!

An unwed Superman is a mobile Superman. Thus it has been alleged that those who chronicle the Man of Steel's adventures are responsible for his condition. But the cartoonists are not to blame.

Nor is Superman handicapped by psychological problems.

Granted that the poor oaf is not entirely sane. How could he be? He is an orphan, a refugee, and an alien. His homeland no longer exists in any form, save for gigatons upon gigatons of dangerous, prettily colored rocks.

As a child and young adult, Kal-El must have been hard put to find an adequate father-figure. What human could control his antisocial behavior? What human would dare try to punish him? His actual, highly social behavior during this period indicates an inhuman self-restraint.

What wonder if Superman drifted gradually into schizophrenia? Torn between his human and kryptonian identities, he chose to be both, keeping his split personalities rigidly separate. A psychotic desperation is evident in his defense of his "secret identity."

But Superman's sex problems are strictly physiological, and quite real.

The purpose of this article is to point out some medical drawbacks to being a kryptonian among human beings, and to suggest possible solutions. The kryptonian humanoid must not be allowed to go the way of the pterodactyl and the passenger pigeon.


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I
What turns on a kryptonian?

Superman is an alien, an extraterrestrial. His humanoid frame is doubtless the result of parallel evolution, as the marsupials of Australia resemble their mammalian counterparts. A specific niche in the ecology calls for a certain shape, a certain size, certain capabilities, certain eating habits.

Be not deceived by appearances. Superman is no relative to homo sapiens.

What arouses Kal-El's mating urge? Did kryptonian women carry some subtle mating cue at appropriate times of the year? Whatever it is, Lois Lane probably didn't have it. We may speculate that she smells wrong, less like a kryptonian woman than like a terrestrial monkey. A mating between Superman and Lois Lane would feel like sodomy-and would be, of course, by church and common law.


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II
Assume a mating between Superman and a human woman designated LL for convenience.

Either Superman has gone completely schizo and believes himself to be Clark Kent; or he knows what he's doing, but no longer gives a damn. Thirty-one years is a long time. For Superman it has been even longer. He has X-ray vision; he knows just what he's missing. (*One should not think of Superman as a Peeping Tom. A biological ability must be used. As a child Superman may never have known that things had surfaces, until he learned to suppress his X-ray vision. If millions of people tend shamelessly to wear clothing with no lead in the weave, that is hardly Superman's fault.*)

The problem is this. Electroencephalograms taken of men and women during sexual intercourse show that orgasm resembles "a kind of pleasurable epileptic attack." One loses control over one's muscles.

Superman has been known to leave his fingerprints in steel and in hardened concrete, accidentally. What would he to to the woman in his arms during what amounts to an epileptic fit?


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III
Consider the driving urge between a man and a woman, the monomaniacal urge to achieve greater and greater penetration. Remember also that we are dealing with kryptonian muscles.

Superman would literally crush LL's body in his arms, while simultaneously ripping her open from crotch to sternum, gutting her like a trout.


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IV
Lastly, he'd blow off the top of her head.

Ejaculation of semen is entirely involuntary in the human male, and in all other forms of terrestrial life. It would be unreasonable to assume otherwise for a kryptonian. But with kryptonian muscles behind it, Kal-El's semen would emerge with the muzzle velocity of a machine gun bullet. (*One can imagine that the Kent home in Smallville was riddled with holes during Superboy's puberty. And why did Lana Lang never notice that?*)

In view of the foregoing, normal sex is impossible between LL and Superman.

Artificial insemination may give us better results.


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V
First we must collect the semen. The globules will emerge at transsonic speeds. Superman must first ejaculate, then fly frantically after the stuff to catch it in a test tube. We assume that he is on the Moon, both for privacy and to prevent the semen from exploding into vapor on hitting the air at such speeds.

He can catch the semen, of course, before it evaporates in vacuum. He's faster than a speeding bullet.

But can he keep it?

All known forms of kryptonian life have superpowers. The same must hold true of living kryptonian sperm. We may reasonably assume that kryptonian sperm are vulnerable only to starvation and to green kryptonite; that they can travel with equal ease through water, air, vacuum, glass, brick, boiling steel, solid steel, liquid helium, or the core of a star; and that they are capable of translight velocities.

What kind of a test tube will hold such beasties?

Kryptonian sperm and their unusual powers will give us further trouble. For the moment we will assume (because we must) that they tend to stay in the seminal fluid, which tends to stay in a simple glass tube. Thus Superman and LL can perform artificial insemination.

At least there will be another generation of kryptonians.

Or will there?


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VI
A ripened but unfertilized egg leaves LL's ovary, begins its voyage down her Fallopian tube.

Some time later, tens of millions of sperm, released from a test tube, begin their own voyage up LL's Fallopian tube.

The magic moment approaches...

Can human breed with kryptonian? Do we even use the same genetic code? On the face of it, LL could more easily breed with an ear of corn than with Kal-El. But coincidence does happen. If the genes match...

One sperm arrives before the others. It penetrates the egg, forms a lump on it's surface, the cell wall now thickens to prevent other sperm From entering. Within the now-fertilized egg, changes take place...

And ten million kryptonian sperm arrive slightly late.

Were they human sperm, they would be out of luck. But these tiny blind things are more powerful than a locomotive. A thickened cell wall won't stop them. They will *all* enter the egg, obliterating it entirely in an orgy of microscopic gang rape. So much for artificial insemination.

But LL's problems are just beginning.


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VII
Within her body there are still tens of millions of frustrated kryptonian sperm. The single egg is now too diffuse to be a target. The sperm scatter.

They scatter without regard to what is in their path. They leave curved channels, microscopically small. Presently all will have found their way to the open air.

That leaves LL with several million microscopic perforations all leading deep into her abdomen. Most of the channels will intersect one or more loops of intestine.

Peritonitis is inevitable. LL becomes desperately ill.

Meanwhile, tens of millions of sperm swarm in the air over Metropolis.


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VIII
This is more serious than it looks.

Consider: these sperm are virtually indestructible. Within days or weeks they will die for lack of nourishment. Meanwhile they cannot be affected by heat, cold, vacuum, toxins, or anything short of green kryptonite. (*And other forms of kryptonite. For instance, there are chunks of red kryptonite that make giants of kryptonians. Imagine ten million earthworm size spermatozoa swarming over a Metropolis beach, diving to fertilize the beach balls... but I digress.*) There they are, minuscule but dangerous; for each has supernormal powers.

Metropolis is shaken by tiny sonic booms. Wormholes, charred by meteoric heat, sprout magically in all kinds of things: plate glass, masonry, antique ceramics, electric mixers, wood, household pets, and citizens. Some of the sperm will crack lightspeed. The Metropolis night comes alive with a network of narrow, eerie blue lines of Cherenkov radiation.

And women whom Superman has never met find themselves in a delicate condition.

Consider: LL won't get pregnant because there were too many of the blind mindless beasts. But whenever one sperm approaches an unfertilized human egg in its panic flight, it will attack.

How close is close enough? A few centimeters? Are sperm attracted by chemical cues? It seems likely. Metropolis had a population of millions; and kryptonian sperm could travel a long and crooked path, billions of miles, before it gives up and dies.

Several thousand blessed events seem not unlikely. (*If the pubescent Superboy plays with himself, we have the same problem over Smallville.*)

Several thousand lawsuits would follow. Not that Superman can't afford to pay. There's a trick where you squeeze a lump of coal into its allotropic diamond form...


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IX
The above analysis gives us part of the answer. In our experiment in artificial insemination, we must use a single sperm. This presents no difficulty. Superman may use his microscopic vision and a pair of tiny tweezers to pluck a sperm from the swarm.


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X
In its eagerness the single sperm may crash through LL's abdomen at transsonic speeds, wreaking havoc. Is there any way to slow it down?

There is. We can expose it to gold kryptonite.

Gold kryptonite, we remember, robs a kryptonian of all of his supernormal powers, permanently. Were we to expose Superman himself to gold kryptonite, we would solve all his sex problems, but he would be Clark Kent forever. We may regard this solution as somewhat drastic.

But we can expose the test tube of seminal fluid to gold kryptonite, then use standard techniques for artificial insemination.

By any of these methods we can get LL pregnant, without killing her. Are we out of the woods yet?


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XI
Though exposed to gold kryptonite, the sperm still carries kryptonian genes. If these are recessive, then LL carries a developing human foetus. There will be no more Supermen; but at least we need not worry about the mother's health.

But if some or all of the kryptonian genes are dominant...

Can the infant use his X-ray vision before birth? After all, with such a power he can probably see through his own closed eyelids. That would leave LL sterile. If the kid starts using heat vision, things get even worse.

But when he starts to kick, it's all over. He will kick his way out into open air, killing himself and his mother.


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XII
Is there a solution?

There are several. Each has drawbacks.

We can make LL wear a kryptonite (*For our purposes, all forms of kryptonite are available in unlimited quantities. It has been estimated, form the startling tonnage of kryptonite fallen to Earth since the explosion of Krypton, that the planet must have outweighed our entire solar system. Doubtless the "planet" Krypton was a cooling black dwarf star, one of a binary pair, the other member being a red giant.*) belt around her waist. But too little kryptonite may allow the child to damage her, while too much may damage or kill the child. Intermediate amounts may do both! And there is no safe way to experiment.

A better solution is to find a host-mother.

We have not yet considered the existence of a Supergirl. (*She can't mate with Superman because she's his first cousin. And only a cad would suggest differently.*) She could carry the child without harm. But Supergirl has a secret identity, and her secret identity is no more married than Supergirl herself. If she turned up pregnant, she would probably be thrown out of school.

A better solution may be to implant the growing foetus in Superman himself. There are places in a man's abdomen where a foetus could draw adequate nourishment, growing as a parasite, and where it would not cause undue harm to surrounding organs. Presumably Clark Kent can take a leave of absence more easily than Supergirl's schoolgirl alter ego.

When the time comes, the child would be removed by Caesarian section. It would have to be removed early, but there would be no problem with incubators as long as it was fed. I leave the problem of cutting through Superman's invulnerable skin as an exercise for the alert reader.

The mind boggles at the image of a pregnant Superman cruising the skies of Metropolis. Batman would refuse to be seen with him' strange new jokes would circulate the prisons...and the race of Krypton would be safe at last.


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Reprinted from All the Myriad Ways © 1971 by Larry Niven.

[DavidTyler]

Yes. I remember reading this a long time ago. In fact, If I ever get around to unpacking my books (My GF and I have been living together for 7 years and she has this aversion to me putting up shelves on the wall.), I think I have this.

[bosef982]

Please refer to my latino review thread...it'll explain a bit I think.

[bosef982]

I don't agree with some of the things you say Alexander, but damn, that was hilaroius!

[Alexander]

I didn´t said that. Kevin Smith and Larry Niven did, respectively. And yes, the idea was to be hilarious.

[Ruthmarks]

And then at the end the kid will evolve beyond anything humanly imaginable and leave Earth to explore the infinate cosmos with his super brain powers.

Doctor McCoy smiles. "Well, Superman ... it's been a long time since I delivered a baby. And I hope we gave this one a good start."

Cue Jerry Goldsmith theme.

Dum-da-da-DUM ...da-da-DUM!

[Alexander]

Brainiac: Luthor never told you what happened to your son.
Supes: He told me enough. He told me you killed him!
Brainiac: No. *I* am your son!
Supes: No! That's not true! That's impossible!

[Agentdemon]

Brainiac: Luthor never told you what happened to your son.
Supes: He told me enough. He told me you killed him!
Brainiac: No. *I* am your son!
Supes: No! That's not true! That's impossible!
heh??

[Ruthmarks]

Brainiac: Luthor never told you what happened to your son.
Supes: He told me enough. He told me you killed him!
Brainiac: No. *I* am your son!
Supes: No! That's not true! That's impossible!

Brainiac: Look at the script, Kal-El! You know it to be true!

Superman: Noooooooooo!

Cue John Williams' "Empire Theme."

[Enigma2k]

my next worry: if enigma2k is for real, then superman is the kid's father and the kid has telekinetic power. it sounds totally BS, insane and impossible. but he did say that... :(

I didn't lie before...why would I start now?

I just stated what I know.

:supes:

[Agentdemon]

I didn't lie before...why would I start now?

I just stated what I know.

:supes:
where do you get your info from enigma?

[Enigma2k]

where do you get your info from enigma?

The source.

:supes:

[Agentdemon]

The source.

:supes:
which is??

[SpiderHam]

His ass.

[Enigma2k]

which is??

What concern is that for you?


What's your social security number?

:supes:

[Isildur´s Heir]

my next worry: if enigma2k is for real, then superman is the kid's father and the kid has telekinetic power.
Can this movie be any worst :confused: :(
I know that i seem like a troll making is remarks, and i´m sorry for that, but.....damn, this movie sounds worst and worst by the minute :(

Personaly, i don´t care if the kid is Superman´s son or not, but to have telekinetic powers.....can this movie be any more corny?
We are being introduced to Superman in this movie after an absence of 20 years, for many people, this is the first time they are going to see Superman on the big screen and not DVD, so........WHY DO WE FU**ING NEED A KID WITH TELEKINETIC POWERS????????
Ooooh, i see, more fu**ing toys to sell.....gotcha :rolleyes:

About Larry Niven´s "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex'...that´s the biggest pile of crap ever, but, then again, it was written in ´71, that means that it is pre-crisis, meaning that it´s totally outdated.

[Enigma2k]

His ass.

My ass is the source of your daily nurishment.

:bomb:

[Agentdemon]

What concern is that for you?


What's your social security number?

:supes:
This is why people doubt you when you post insider info, you reply with smart ass remarks. And i'm 16, how should i know what my SS number is?

[SpiderHam]

My ass is the source of your daily nurishment.

:bomb:

Ho ho ho.

Good shot sir.

[Enigma2k]

This is why people doubt you when you post insider info, you reply with smart ass remarks. And i'm 16, how should i know what my SS number is?

Dude, I proved myself on plenty of ocasions here.....I don't need to jump
through hoops for you or anyone.
I was the first one to tell everyone what the suit looked like months and months before the thing showed up in print.
Im nice like that.:rolleyes:


:supes:

[Agentdemon]

Dude, I proved myself on plenty of ocasions here.....I don't need to jump
through hoops for you or anyone.
I was the first one to tell everyone what the suit looked like months and months before the thing showed up in print.
Im nice like that.:rolleyes:


:supes:
That may be so but i am not too familiar with you proving yourself. Many say that you weren't the first one to give a description of the suit.

[SpiderHam]

He wasn't. He was just the one that was most noticed.

[Enigma2k]

That may be so but i am not too familiar with you proving yourself. Many say that you weren't the first one to give a description of the suit.

So you accuse a total stranger without checking the facts.....JERK!!!!

:supes:

[Enigma2k]

He wasn't. He was just the one that was most noticed.

KING-JERK!!!!

:supes:

[Alonsovich]

He wasn't. He was just the one that was most noticed.

He was, he was chased over by all and his thread was deleted (only costume thread to be deleted) because of all the flaming against him because most of the people didn't like the description...

[SpiderHam]

Oh no. Now we're jerks.

Whatever shall we do now that Enigma hates us?

[Alonsovich]

Oh no. Now we're jerks.

Whatever shall we do now that Enigma hates us?

Dude... you know you're getting into trouble, right? You know that this guy is who gives Mirko the scoops right?

[Enigma2k]

He was, he was chased over by all and his thread was deleted (only costume thread to be deleted) because of all the flaming against him because most of the people didn't like the description...


Thank you Alonsovich....:cool:

:supes:

[SpiderHam]

Dude... you know you're getting into trouble, right? You know that this guy is who gives Mirko the scoops right?

Trouble? TROUBLE?! I'm in trouble with some random nerd on the internet?!

OM NOS!

[Alonsovich]

Thank you Alonsovich....:cool:

:supes:

You're welcome, man... :up:

[Alonsovich]

Trouble? TROUBLE?! I'm in trouble with some random nerd on the internet?!

OM NOS!

That "nerd" is the owner of this site...

[SpiderHam]

I've got nothing against Mirko. I can dislike his "sources" as much as I want.

[Psycho Hulk]

I believe Enigma whether or not any of it turns out to be true. Cause I know that I've see things other people wouldn't believe me if I told them. Especially when you do have friends in the movie bizz...or if your family are actress/producers/composers...but still...just take the benefit of the doubt.

If you don't believe Enigma...then just ignore it, instead of *****ing about it.

now enough about Superman...lets talk more about Supergirl...will there be a beach scene with her wearing a blue bikini with an S on it? (just kidding)

[DarkGoblin]

*sigh* I'm trying to remain hopeful, everything I've heard up until this point has sounded really good...but this whole 'superman's kid thing' makes it really difficult to be optimistic. I liked the idea that Lois had a kid with another man, I thought it was an interesting new direction to take with a character but if it's really Superman's child...and with psychic powers no less....it's really dumb.

I keep telling myself that I should just trust what Singer is doing, after all the x-men movies were really good right? But then I remember all the little parts I hated...like how they totally butchered the character of Rogue. So when I ask myself "Is singer the kind of guy who would make something as crappy as a five year old psychich child of Superman?" I tell myself no because he has a lot of praise for his previouse super hero work....but then I remember what he did to Rogue...and I shutter at the possibility of what he will do with Superman.

It may turn out just like x-men, overall really good except for a couple little things throughout the movie that drive me insane!!!! Like Rogue....or a supermans psychic son...*sigh*

[Psycho Hulk]

Would they name the kid "SuperBoy"? and then have a spin-off, ruining the superboy image?

[superfever]

it still sounds BS and impossible to me.
so i will still regard enigma as phony. sorry, dude. this is hard to swallow.

[Enigma2k]

it still sounds BS and impossible to me.
so i will still regard enigma as phony. sorry, dude. this is hard to swallow.


Im a phony even though I was correct in the past?

Sheesh...you guys are rough.



:supes:

[Enigma2k]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(



:supes:

[Agentdemon]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(



:supes:
yes, unless you reveal your sources than the bashing will not stop....you are free engima!!

[superfever]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(

:supes:

you can't just throw us a statement and ask us to take it. unless you can elaborate more on it. sorry, your statement is just too insane.

[David33]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(



:supes:

Please,dont go.Many of us want you to stay....

[Alexander]

Ah. So this is the Superboy? He looks ten.

http://www.actuacine.net/Photos/returns09-big.jpg

[Captain Villa]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(

:supes:

No.

I appreciate that if you reveal too much, you may be found out by who ever is your source.

So far, you have been on the money.

[Alonsovich]

Maybe I should just stop sharing here from know on. :(



:supes:

There are PMs for those who believe you, you know? ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

There are PMs for those who believe you, you know? ;)
go tthat right

[superfever]

i don't believe him had seen the pic months ago. :o
and some of his description are wrong.

[Thunder Emperor]

i don't believe him had seen the pic months ago. :o
and some of his description are wrong.


still he was closest to the crap we recieved.


3

[David33]

There are PMs for those who believe you, you know? ;)

:up: :up: .

[Enigma2k]

Ah. So this is the Superboy? He looks ten.

http://www.actuacine.net/Photos/returns09-big.jpg

Yep that's him

His name is "JASON"

Superman is submerged under the ocean and there is a search party looking for him, in one of the Helicopters Lois and family are franticly looking.
Then Jason looks over the vast ocean and points and says "He's there"
Not that any on can see Superman but that He has a mental conection with
him.
Lois looks at her son with shock.

:supes:

[David33]

Yep that's him

His name is "JASON"

Superman is submerged under the ocean and there is a search party looking for him, in one of the Helicopters Lois and family are franticly looking.
Then Jason looks over the vast ocean and points and says "He's there"
Not that any on can see Superman but that He has a mental conection with
him.
Lois looks at her son with shock.

:supes:

Thanks Enigma2k....:) .
And I wanna thank you for always replying my PMs....it doesnt matter if some
dont believe in you,many of us do :up: .

[David33]

By the way....the son of Superman idea is such an abomination,that there is no way I will see this movie if that its confirmed:mad: .

[The Guard]

Ok, I think he does have some connections, but I think we're getting information kind of piecemeal in some ways. For instance, he says the spaceship costume will be a "tan suit". That could be accurate, but odds are that it won't LOOK tan onscreen.

[2222]

Bluetights said the kid is not his and we knows that he has ties to the production so it is really up to who you believe.

[DarkGoblin]

Enigma's description of the scene where the kid uses his powers isn't too bad...I was envisioning him reading peoples minds and floating the cookie jar down to him from the top of the fridge, that would be god awful. I dunno....I guess I could learn to live with it if it's true...I still don't want to....my life is not going to come to a screetching halt just because there are aspects of a comic book movie I don't like.

[DarkGoblin]

Since Enigma's credibility is being put on the line in this thread I decided to put forth the evidence in question, his own description of the suit. This is a compliation of everything he used to describe the suit from as early as 1-29-05

Well for starters the \S/ on his chest is very small...It is Smaller than the
Chris Reeves. It is beveld,sculpted 3D....It would fit in the palm of your
hand.

The collar is "like" a T-shirt and the \S/ shield is high near his collar-bone.(Stupid)

The whole suit has little diamonds in it......

The boots are nothing like the comic.
They have very thick soles(yuck) AND the high point of the boot is on the outside of the calf.

The blue is not as dark as I thought it was the first time I saw it.
It is more like Reeve's suit. Still doesn't help it.

The shorts are the worst.....I know when you guys see it you will
be PISSED. LOL!!!!

The cape is two toned dark blood red on the out side and bright red
on the inside.
It felt like rubber.

The shield was blood red as well.

Man I can't wait till you guys see it...Then the sparks will fly.


the \S/ shield is "the span of your hand from thumb to pinkie."

The blue is NOT dark it is like the Chris suit.
The cape,shield,boots....Are dark blood red.

Every square inch of the suit has little tiny diomonds with \S/'s in them.

No clasps on the cape. There are snaps under the points of the cape
where it connects. The connections are on the undersuit so
It can harness the cape. I hope I explained
it correct enough.


The cape does Not tuck into the shirt like the classic.

If you notice male Olympic swimmers and there trunks they ride low
on there butts and there cut not with high arcs on the legs.
That's what the shorts look like.
The belt is gold not canary yellow.
But Im sure it will look yellow-ish when filming.
The belt, the way it makes a "V" line makes his torso look even longer.
The buckle is right where his pubic hair would be.

(the boots)
Dude...It's a diagnal line from the outside high part of you calf to the middle
of the inside of your calf. .

Its like "Mr. Incredibles" boots.

the Costume also has a \S/ shield on the front tip of the boot,back of

the heel and bottom of the sole.


As you can see from his own description he was very close to the final product, however there were a couple of things that weren't accurate.

I'm not saying he is lying, and I'm not saying he is telling you the truth...I just put together everything he said and presented it to you in an unbiased format for you to draw your own conclusions.

[David33]

Since Enigma's credibility is being put on the line in this thread I decided to put forth the evidence in question, his own description of the suit. This is a compliation of everything he used to describe the suit from as early as 1-29-05



As you can see from his own description he was very close to the final product, however there were a couple of things that weren't accurate.

I'm not saying he is lying, and I'm not saying he is telling you the truth...I just put together everything he said and presented it to you in an unbiased format for you to draw your own conclusions.

Exactly...and please,pay attention to something:Enigma was the very first who said that: "The cape is two toned dark blood red on the outside,and bright red on the inside".
No one before,NO ONE,not even "Batgirl" said anything about the two toned reds on the cape.
Enigma is for real....some people should start to respect him more...

[DarkGoblin]

The other thing to bare in mind even with this superman kid thing....no one has seen the script, and yes taken out of context it sounds bad, but Singer overall knows how to tell a good story. So I'm staying optimistic even if it turns out they do the whole "son of superman" thing. It could turn out pretty good if we just give it a chance...it doesn't make sense to hate a movie before you've even seen it.

[Michael Corleone]

Exactly...and please,pay attention to something:Enigma was the very first who said that: "The cape is two toned dark blood red on the outside,and bright red on the inside".
No one before,NO ONE,not even "Batgirl" said anything about the two toned reds on the cape.
Enigma is for real....some people should start to respect him more...

I think the problem is some people on here have become full of themselves and their power. They dont like being outscooped by people outside of their own personal circle. So when they do they attack rather than work with these few lucky folks.

[David33]

The other thing to bare in mind even with this superman kid thing....no one has seen the script, and yes taken out of context it sounds bad, but Singer overall knows how to tell a good story. So I'm staying optimistic even if it turns out they do the whole "son of superman" thing. It could turn out pretty good if we just give it a chance...it doesn't make sense to hate a movie before you've even seen it.

But the Superman kid is an awful idea...can you imagine the sequels?:The
adventures of Superman and his Super-Child....because the kid wont go...he will
stay on the Super-Man movies..:( ..oh,my God,Enigma!!please,Is there anything good about this movie??because everything I hear-see until now is very depressing....:(

[The Guard]

He's kind of putting his own credibility on the line by refusing to even attempt to explain his sources, by refusing to elaborate on things, and by generally acting immature when challenged about his posts. I don't doubt that he has sources, or that he's been right about some things. I do doubt that he's completely right, or that he's getting the full story on half his scoops.

For me, it's not so much what he says that I find hard to believe, it's how he phrases things, how he writes his scoops out. I think he's legit, to a point, but he's not coming across that way in his writing. Does that make sense?

[Enigma2k]

But the Superman kid is an awful idea...can you imagine the sequels?:The
adventures of Superman and his Super-Child....because the kid wont go...he will
stay on the Super-Man movies..:( ..oh,my God,Enigma!!please,Is there anything good about this movie??because everything I hear-see until now is very depressing....:(

Kevin Spacey is in it....he is good. ;)

:supes:

[David33]

Kevin Spacey is in it....he is good. ;)

:supes:

And thats it??:( ,nothing else??:( ,any action scenes,I dont know....please,do you know anything else about the script?what happens at the end with the kid?
( I really hope the kid dies,but I doubt that will happen).

[Enigma2k]

He's kind of putting his own credibility on the line by refusing to even attempt to explain his sources, by refusing to elaborate on things, and by generally acting immature when challenged about his posts. I don't doubt that he has sources, or that he's been right about some things. I do doubt that he's completely right, or that he's getting the full story on half his scoops.

Now, I don't agree that he's faking, or any of that nonsense, but let's look at what he's said.


Why are you wasting posting space?

Are you student trying to become a lawyer?

Dude, I saw what I saw and reported it to the best of my ability.

Sorry I didn't have a camera to take a picture.

Frankly I don't give a CRAP about this as much as you guy's

do. To CRUCIFY somebody for not nailing every minutia detail of

a F....ED UP costume.

That's sad.

GET... A.... LIFE.

:supes:

[The Guard]

Why are you wasting posting space?

Are you student trying to become a lawyer?

Dude, I saw what I saw and reported it to the best of my ability.

Sorry I didn't have a camera to take a picture.

Frankly I don't give a CRAP about this as much as you guy's

do. To CRUCIFY somebody for not nailing every minutia detail of

a F....ED UP costume.

That's sad.

GET... A.... LIFE.

I suppose I did go a bit overboard in pointing out why people feel the way they do. If you don't give a crap, why are you arguing about it? Calm down. I'm pointing out why people think you're not spot on as a source of information. And at no point have I "crucified" you for anything. I already said I think you do have sources, and pointed out that you were right about some aspects of the costume.

[DarkGoblin]

Why are you wasting posting space?

Are you student trying to become a lawyer?

Dude, I saw what I saw and reported it to the best of my ability.

Sorry I didn't have a camera to take a picture.

Frankly I don't give a CRAP about this as much as you guy's

do. To CRUCIFY somebody for not nailing every minutia detail of

a F....ED UP costume.

That's sad.

GET... A.... LIFE.

:supes:

For the majority of people on this board Superman is their life and they want to see a good superman movie, they will do anything to remain hopeful that it will turn out decently and as such they will dig into every detail they can to prove a rumor they don't like isn't true, and they will crucify the messenger to do so. (I'm generalizing here and not accusing any individuals)

If this is a problem for you then you should stop posting your scoops because this is not going to change, and it will get worse with the more bad news they have. They can just wait for the movie to come out and be surprised as the movie-makers intended.

Now there's a concept....going into a movie without knowing what will happen. ^_^ But then again this is the spoiler section, neh?

[superfever]

For the majority of people on this board Superman is their life and they want to see a good superman movie, they will do anything to remain hopeful that it will turn out decently and as such they will dig into every detail they can to prove a rumor they don't like isn't true, and they will crucify the messenger to do so. (I'm generalizing here and not accusing any individuals)

If this is a problem for you then you should stop posting your scoops because this is not going to change, and it will get worse with the more bad news they have. They can just wait for the movie to come out and be surprised as the movie-makers intended.

Now there's a concept....going into a movie without knowing what will happen. ^_^ But then again this is the spoiler section, neh?

you are right. contradicting isn't it? :)

[Thunder Emperor]

Why are you wasting posting space?

Are you student trying to become a lawyer?

Dude, I saw what I saw and reported it to the best of my ability.

Sorry I didn't have a camera to take a picture.

Frankly I don't give a CRAP about this as much as you guy's

do. To CRUCIFY somebody for not nailing every minutia detail of

a F....ED UP costume.

That's sad.

GET... A.... LIFE.

:supes:



so what more news do you have fo r us engima

[Matt]

Enigma is doing nothing wrong, and you guys are treating him like ****. He gives yu information, that you don't like, and instead of believing that your precious Singer can do anything wrong, you just flame the hell out of him, even though he has proven himself right on numerous occassions.

And don't give me that "He won't tell his source" bull****. No reporter tells their source. I know because I have a journalism degree from Northwestern. One of the first rules of journalism, you tell the identity of your source, and you in effect, lose your source.

[Ricky_Tan]

Enigma is doing nothing wrong, and you guys are treating him like ****. He gives yu information, that you don't like, and instead of believing that your precious Singer can do anything wrong, you just flame the hell out of him, even though he has proven himself right on numerous occassions.

And don't give me that "He won't tell his source" bull****. No reporter tells their source. I know because I have a journalism degree from Northwestern. One of the first rules of journalism, you tell the identity of your source, and you in effect, lose your source.

well said.

[Matt]

Thank you RIcky Tan, and one more thing...I don't believe anyone has asked "It is Batgirl" to reveal her source.

[Agentdemon]

Thank you RIcky Tan, and one more thing...I don't believe anyone has asked "It is Batgirl" to reveal her source.
batgirl has a source?

[Matt]

she gives information that you guys all eat up. She must get it from somewhere. The fact is, you guys don't care about her source, because you like what she says. And liking what you hear is more important than the truth to you guys.

[Agentdemon]

she gives information that you guys all eat up. She must get it from somewhere. The fact is, you guys don't care about her source, because you like what she says. And liking what you hear is more important than the truth to you guys.
okey dokey.

[Mike_D]

my next worry: if enigma2k is for real, then superman is the kid's father and the kid has telekinetic power. it sounds totally BS, insane and impossible. but he did say that...

Doesn't the "new" supergirl have those powers??

[BlueTights]

"my next worry"


do you have a timeline with them all planned out?

[superfever]

BAN ME. :o

oops, you are not incharge here. sorry. :o

[David33]

she gives information that you guys all eat up. She must get it from somewhere. The fact is, you guys don't care about her source, because you like what she says. And liking what you hear is more important than the truth to you guys.

Very well said Matt :up: .

[LivingInClip]

If the kid is Lois's how does she know? At the end of Superman II he does that gay-ass Super-Kiss and she forgets everything. Or is Singer going to play the notion that she did not forget everything and she let Kal El believe she did?

I doubt the kid is Supes.

[Matt]

Very well said Matt :up: .

Thank you :)

[TheSumOfGod]

THIS JUST IN:

Lois Lane WILL marry Cyclops after all, a broken-hearted Superman will have sex with the new Supergirl, the new Supergirl will end up being his SISTER, and Superman's son Jason-El will fly up towards the camera NEO-style at the end of the movie!

I have my sources. :cool: ;) :p

[Nautica7mk]

I was browsing through the old pages and found this particular thread. The scoops here are actually pretty accurate, with a few scenes altered a bit but the scene remained the almost the same... especially the one with Lois and family rescuing Superman. It's about 90% right, replacing the helicopter with Richard's seaplane.

[Cinemaman]

How the kid can be Superman's, if he is weak and have enough illness.

And Singer had already told us, SII isn't in vague story.

[Nautica7mk]

How the kid can be Superman's, if he is weak and have enough illness.

And Singer had already told us, SII isn't in vague story.
Assuming Superman really is Jason's father, one way to explain the boy's lack of perfect health is because Superman is Kryptonian and he wasn't entirely sure if he was even capable of having kids with a terran. According to the book and in Jimmy's dialogue, there was difficulty in Lois's pregnancy, and Jason almost didn't make it.

I just think that if Superman is the father, I find it interesting that Jason suffers medically wise. I often foresaw a child of Lois and Clark to be strong and healthy, but never once entertained the idea of a child of theirs struggling medically, so if that's one route their taking, I think it's a interesting path to choose.

[bosef982]

Assuming Superman really is Jason's father, one way to explain the boy's lack of perfect health is because Superman is Kryptonian and he wasn't entirely sure if he was even capable of having kids with a terran. According to the book and in Jimmy's dialogue, there was difficulty in Lois's pregnancy, and Jason almost didn't make it.

I just think that if Superman is the father, I find it interesting that Jason suffers medically wise. I often foresaw a child of Lois and Clark to be strong and healthy, but never once entertained the idea of a child of theirs struggling medically, so if that's one route their taking, I think it's a interesting path to choose.

Yep. I almost prefer that to the child bieng all strong. It's a great example of weakness and will have the audience rooting for Superman and the cute, sick child. And I can definitely see it happening considering how the child looks sort of sickly in all the clips and **** we've seen.

[Ita-KalEl]

I don't see the problem. If it is a great movie it will remain a great movie..kid or not kid.

We have to thank Enigma, but he can tell us only his point of view.
For example he dislikes the suit...IMO the new Superman costume is great.

de gustibus non disputandum est

[Kryptonite]

In Smallville they had a storyline where Kryptonians came to Earth in the past and mated with Humans to create a special tribe of peoples.

It's possible I think for Kryptonian-human hybrids to be created; I find it more ridiculous to believe that Superman impregnanted Lois during the ONE time they had sex in Superman II.

[Bad Superman]

I find it more ridiculous to believe that Superman impregnanted Lois during the ONE time they had sex in Superman II.

Hey. . . it's Super Sperm. . . .:D
















:mad:

[hoopy3]

After reading the book and looking at all the rumors...i am confident that the kid is Superman's. based on the timeline I can't see it being RIchard's. Giving the kid some sort of telepathic power is okay with me too..i think it would be a little ridiculous to make him like a superman JR. Giving him another subtle power like telpathy isn't so horrible..I think Singer made him sickly purposely to have some irony.

[Cinemaman]

After reading the book and looking at all the rumors...i am confident that the kid is Superman's. based on the timeline I can't see it being RIchard's. Giving the kid some sort of telepathic power is okay with me too..i think it would be a little ridiculous to make him like a superman JR. Giving him another subtle power like telpathy isn't so horrible..I think Singer made him sickly purposely to have some irony.

:supes: :up: Agreed!

[Screenscribe]

one of the things you have to realise about film is that when creating the story you have plot points. You also don't alwasy want the plot points obvious. Everyone expects Superman's son to be strong and fast. Having a kid that has asthma and such not only throws the audience off but it also has an underlining theme of what makes a person special. If a kid who suffers from asthma can be the son of Superman, then those kids who suffer from asthma can see that there is nothing different about them.

as for the discussion about revealign sources. there is a good reason Enigma doesn't come right out and say who it is. He can't!! I can easily say that "just got out of a meeting with Bryan Singer and guess what..." do you think I'd be invited back? would I risk that for some anonymous kids on the internet? No way. So try and remember that while some here are in fact spreading lies and such just for their own amusement. don't discredit someone just because you don't like what they say. Does the kid have powers? maybe not. but it is fun to entertain the possibilties. And for the record I don't like the idea of changing the myth of Superman by giving him a kid (if it is his).

[Cinemaman]

one of the things you have to realise about film is that when creating the story you have plot points. You also don't alwasy want the plot points obvious. Everyone expects Superman's son to be strong and fast. Having a kid that has asthma and such not only throws the audience off but it also has an underlining theme of what makes a person special. If a kid who suffers from asthma can be the son of Superman, then those kids who suffer from asthma can see that there is nothing different about them.

as for the discussion about revealign sources. there is a good reason Enigma doesn't come right out and say who it is. He can't!! I can easily say that "just got out of a meeting with Bryan Singer and guess what..." do you think I'd be invited back? would I risk that for some anonymous kids on the internet? No way. So try and remember that while some here are in fact spreading lies and such just for their own amusement. don't discredit someone just because you don't like what they say. Does the kid have powers? maybe not. but it is fun to entertain the possibilties. And for the record I don't like the idea of changing the myth of Superman by giving him a kid (if it is his).

:up: Agreed.

[ruhanv]

I don't have a problem with Supes having a kid. The telepathic element could also work. It's not like the kid is an x-men. He just has a connection with Superman.

I for one believe Enigma and have since day 1. I also trust Singer and believe that he would not have included this in the film if it wasn't absolutely necessary.

[Tron5000]

I don't have a problem with Supes having a kid. The telepathic element could also work. It's not like the kid is an x-men. He just has a connection with Superman.

I for one believe Enigma and have since day 1. I also trust Singer and believe that he would not have included this in the film if it wasn't absolutely necessary.

I don't think it could be "absolutely necessary." It's never been necessary in any previous incarnations of Superman for him to have a kid. They've done quite well telling Superman stories for decades without him being a father. This is the 1 thing that worries me about this film.

[Bad Superman]

I don't have a problem with Supes having a kid. The telepathic element could also work. It's not like the kid is an x-men. He just has a connection with Superman.

I for one believe Enigma and have since day 1. I also trust Singer and believe that he would not have included this in the film if it wasn't absolutely necessary.

I don't think a Super Kid is necessary for a Superman film.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

one of the things you have to realise about film is that when creating the story you have plot points. You also don't alwasy want the plot points obvious. Everyone expects Superman's son to be strong and fast. Having a kid that has asthma and such not only throws the audience off but it also has an underlining theme of what makes a person special. If a kid who suffers from asthma can be the son of Superman, then those kids who suffer from asthma can see that there is nothing different about them.



Dude, that's beautiful :cool: :up:

[ruhanv]

I don't think it could be "absolutely necessary." It's never been necessary in any previous incarnations of Superman for him to have a kid. They've done quite well telling Superman stories for decades without him being a father. This is the 1 thing that worries me about this film.

This is not simply telling another Superman story. Singer would not include it if was not necessary. He has repeatedly said that this was the only obstacle he could put in Superman's way which could stop him. Nothing else, no supervillian nor kryptonite has the same impact.

Singer is well aware of not only our but also the whole western audience's expectations. He will not include something so fundamental into this movie if it wasn't for a very specific reason. We would have to wait and see how he treated it.

Like the suit, I have a feeling that a lot of people who are against the idea will have a different view of it after they have seen it in the context of the film. Obviously you will always have people who will hate it but they will be in the minority.

[ruhanv]

I don't think a Super Kid is necessary for a Superman film.

Well we have not seen it have we? ;)

[scruffy]

Assuming Superman really is Jason's father, one way to explain the boy's lack of perfect health is because Superman is Kryptonian and he wasn't entirely sure if he was even capable of having kids with a terran. According to the book and in Jimmy's dialogue, there was difficulty in Lois's pregnancy, and Jason almost didn't make it.

I just think that if Superman is the father, I find it interesting that Jason suffers medically wise. I often foresaw a child of Lois and Clark to be strong and healthy, but never once entertained the idea of a child of theirs struggling medically, so if that's one route their taking, I think it's a interesting path to choose.
I've always been a proponent of the kid being Supes', so I'm happy to hear the additional clues. :up: And I like your take on it.

Is enigma2k still around? I'd like to hear if he still stands by what he says about the kid being Supes' and having telepathic powers or if he has heard of any changes in production.

[Captain Villa]

BAN ME. :o

oops, you are not incharge here. sorry. :o

How ironic !

[Michael Corleone]

Well we also have to remember that Enigma's information may have been right.....at the time. Remember when this thread was started there was a different version of the script. Maybe older than the one Moriarty read at ACIN. I don't doubt Enigma's info but I think it may be a little out of date now.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Well we also have to remember that Enigma's information may have been right.....at the time. Remember when this thread was started there was a different version of the script. Maybe older than the one Moriarty read at ACIN. I don't doubt Enigma's info but I think it may be a little out of date now.

That's possible. :up:

[Agentdemon]

Yeah, the kid using Telepathy was one spoiler he got wrong. Probably changed from a early draft.

[sammydr]

u know wat i think i think lois is just a step mom

[Newb]

Why are you wasting posting space?

Are you student trying to become a lawyer?

Dude, I saw what I saw and reported it to the best of my ability.

Sorry I didn't have a camera to take a picture.

Frankly I don't give a CRAP about this as much as you guy's

do. To CRUCIFY somebody for not nailing every minutia detail of

a F....ED UP costume.

That's sad.

GET... A.... LIFE.

:supes:

Don't go Enigma2k, I haven't had a chance to know you yet!

I believe you, because you don't go out of your way to validate your claims on request.

A mental connection between son and father? Is this our plastic shield toss in the making?
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:AfTC0NdEIEo3KM:www.nothingtoxic.com/videos/thumbnails/321.jpg (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nothingtoxic.com/videos/thumbnails/321.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nothingtoxic.com/content1.asp%3FPage%3D6%26id%3D2&h=150&w=198&sz=8&tbnid=AfTC0NdEIEo3KM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=99&hl=en&start=17&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bfamily%2Bguy%2Bsuperman%26svnum%3D 10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)
Funniest segway I ever done seen on the family guy.

I think that's about how much I'm going to be bothered by a mental connection between father and son. WTF? Ah yes, hollywood.

[sammydr]

lois is jus a step mom that kid is not her's it belongs to the father who had it with another woman but then they devorce

[Bad Superman]

lois is jus a step mom that kid is not her's it belongs to the father who had it with another woman but then they devorce

How do you know that??? :confused:

[sammydr]

its obvious...i new that from the beginning.

[Zorex]

Well we also have to remember that Enigma's information may have been right.....at the time. Remember when this thread was started there was a different version of the script. Maybe older than the one Moriarty read at ACIN. I don't doubt Enigma's info but I think it may be a little out of date now.
After that mess of false reviews, this is definitely a possibility :up:

[Superman79]

if the kid is sickly, any chance he'll die from the excitement around him?? Then he won't be a problem anymore

[Nautica7mk]

lois is jus a step mom that kid is not her's it belongs to the father who had it with another woman but then they devorce
She's not Jason's stepmother.

[MoreCowbell]

I love the idea that Jason is/could be Clarks, plus the mental ability seems to be interesting. As long as it's not overdone. I don't want to see Prof. X part 2. If it's a connection with just SM, then that's perfect.