Marvel movie idea II

[Peyton Westlake]

You know what might be an interesting idea?.......After the 3rd Blade film and on the cusp of Ghost Rider fairly soon, a mega mixture of a few characters. It would mainly focus on the 2 who have had their own movies (Blade & Ghost Rider) and a scence or 2 with Moon Knight ,Werewolf by Night,etc. all banding together to fight a Supernatural villain or group, the villain for the plot could be worked out until best oppostion is found....aptly titled 'the Sons of Midnight'
What do you think?

[Chris Wallace]

Uh-uh. They're done with Blade. I once wanted to see crossovers as bad as y'all do; now I say keep the franchises separate.

[WarBlade]

I wonder how much it would cost to to print up a t-shirt with the slogan, "Say NO to Crossovers!" :rolleyes:

[3dman27]

probably $5.95

[Peyton Westlake]

If its not overdone, where every character has to share same amount of screen time, I think it could work out well.

[superhuman]

I'd go see it.

[3dman27]

I wonder how much it would cost to to print up a t-shirt with the slogan, "Say NO to Crossovers!" :rolleyes:
i wouldn't mind certain crossovers [luke cage&iron fist for example]

[murdock_matt]

I don't see how a crossover would work well in film. (BTW Luke Cage/Iron Fist wouldn't be a crossover, it would be a comic adaptation - there was a Cage/Fist team comic.)

The biggest problem would be that in order to tell a story, the characters would be slightly altered to follow a plot line. It's hard to explain. Look at Spider-Man... Raimi is taking the character that he has created and forming a story around that character, i.e. what villains best complement Peter's place in life right now, what villains best challenge the character that has been developed so far.

Whereas with a crossover, the main focus for the storyteller would be relaying a reasonable scenario of why these two characters would team up. And in doing so it would be far more easier to mold the character to the story than to mold the story to the character.

I don't want to see Wolverine or Daredevil or any film version of a character do something or act a certain way that would conflict with the established film development of that character.

I wish I could better articulate the point I'm trying to make. Look at George Lazenby when he played James Bond in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." People had a real problem with Bond breaking down and crying and losing his grip when his wife got killed. Why? Because that's not how the film version of James Bond was expected to act. It was a way the film version of Bond had never acted before.

And I'm afraid that's what a crossover film would do to one of our already established characters.

[Peyton Westlake]

You do make a valid point murdock_m , it would be a little difficult. But there is 1 thing to consider. I believe David Goyer who was involved in all the Blade films has written Ghost Rider. Its possible he could weave them together & make it gel.

[murdock_matt]

There's no doubt that, in the perfect circumstances, it could work. But I would prefer that it was a decision made long before either of the characters were introduced on film. That way seeds could be planted during the initial single-shot films.

Imagine if the first Matrix film never mentioned the city of Zion, and then the sequels came out and everyone started saying "Oh, yeah... There's this city called Zion that we need to protect." That usually the problem with sequels - that sense of forced symmetry. And that problem would be magnified in a crossover film.

Best case scenario - in light of the new Paramount movie deal with Marvel, the new Captain America movie should be made with the foresight that he will crossover with another character - for example Nick Fury, another military based comic character... someone he might have a legitimate reason for teaming up with. Just like you said with the Sons of Darkness.

I'm not saying that a Cap/Fury film should be made, that's just an example of two separate characters who share a common bond and could be developed from the beginning with the long-term possibility of a crossover. And you also eliminate the problem of cross-pollinization between different film studios.

[Peyton Westlake]

You're right again murdock_m , i did not think the previous films never mentioned the other character , or planted seed as you said. Your point makes it clear they probably should not cross over because the story might be unclear in the wrong hands.

[tristapussy]

I don't see how a crossover would work well in film. (BTW Luke Cage/Iron Fist wouldn't be a crossover, it would be a comic adaptation - there was a Cage/Fist team comic.)

The biggest problem would be that in order to tell a story, the characters would be slightly altered to follow a plot line. It's hard to explain. Look at Spider-Man... Raimi is taking the character that he has created and forming a story around that character, i.e. what villains best complement Peter's place in life right now, what villains best challenge the character that has been developed so far.

Whereas with a crossover, the main focus for the storyteller would be relaying a reasonable scenario of why these two characters would team up. And in doing so it would be far more easier to mold the character to the story than to mold the story to the character.

I don't want to see Wolverine or Daredevil or any film version of a character do something or act a certain way that would conflict with the established film development of that character.

I wish I could better articulate the point I'm trying to make. Look at George Lazenby when he played James Bond in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." People had a real problem with Bond breaking down and crying and losing his grip when his wife got killed. Why? Because that's not how the film version of James Bond was expected to act. It was a way the film version of Bond had never acted before.

And I'm afraid that's what a crossover film would do to one of our already established characters.



Agreed...;)

[Peyton Westlake]

Starting to see the trend here.

[Chris Wallace]

It'll never happen. "Trinity" pretty much made that clear. There's no more vampires for Blade to hunt, I'm not sure he even has his powers anymore, & the franchise is closed.

[masterjt]

IvE SEEN SO MANY SPIDERMAN CARTOONS AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE THREE CHARACTERS ADDED TO THE NEXT SPIDERMAN MOVIES LIKE THE PUNISHER,BLADE,
AND DAREDEVIL THEY ALL HAVE BEEN IN SPIDERMAN COMICS AND THE TV SERIES CARTOON.

[tristapussy]

IvE SEEN SO MANY SPIDERMAN CARTOONS AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE THREE CHARACTERS ADDED TO THE NEXT SPIDERMAN MOVIES LIKE THE PUNISHER,BLADE,
AND DAREDEVIL THEY ALL HAVE BEEN IN SPIDERMAN COMICS AND THE TV SERIES CARTOON.


Welcome masterjt...a spidey, punisher, blade, dd crossover could be good...:up:

[Peyton Westlake]

Adding all those characters to part III might be overkill. Although a dream blockbuster movie.

[Peyton Westlake]

I'm not sure if any of you remember, but the writer of the Blade franchise , D. Goyer, wrote a screenplay that ended up being a TV movie in '98 for Nick Fury. Unfortunately it cast D. Hasselhoff as the lead & lost credibility for me but.....imagine Fury cast with Kurt Russell in the lead & a decent budget!

[WarBlade]

Then you'd get SHH threads titled: "Worst Nick Fury: Russell or Hasselhoff" and replies like, "Would I rather fork myself in the eyes or in the testicles?"

[Peyton Westlake]

LMAO...Pretty funny WarBlade but, I think Kurt Russell in his 'Snake Plissken' look can pull it off, and maybe because im biased but, I think he is a good actor and could give some strength to Nick Fury as a character.

[Peyton Westlake]

It still is a dream idea of somehow getting a writer/director or just a seperate writer & director to see how Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night can share a feature film and be everything we'd want it to be.

here's to supporting the Midnight Sons

[wyzewun]

I don't see how a crossover would work well in film. (BTW Luke Cage/Iron Fist wouldn't be a crossover, it would be a comic adaptation - there was a Cage/Fist team comic.)

The biggest problem would be that in order to tell a story, the characters would be slightly altered to follow a plot line. It's hard to explain. Look at Spider-Man... Raimi is taking the character that he has created and forming a story around that character, i.e. what villains best complement Peter's place in life right now, what villains best challenge the character that has been developed so far.

Whereas with a crossover, the main focus for the storyteller would be relaying a reasonable scenario of why these two characters would team up. And in doing so it would be far more easier to mold the character to the story than to mold the story to the character.

I don't want to see Wolverine or Daredevil or any film version of a character do something or act a certain way that would conflict with the established film development of that character.

I wish I could better articulate the point I'm trying to make. Look at George Lazenby when he played James Bond in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." People had a real problem with Bond breaking down and crying and losing his grip when his wife got killed. Why? Because that's not how the film version of James Bond was expected to act. It was a way the film version of Bond had never acted before.

And I'm afraid that's what a crossover film would do to one of our already established characters.


While i agree with you whole heartedly i think in some instances cross overs could be the best way for some characters to have sequals......you really couldnt have the Hulk and Spiderman in the same film without......proving your point to its disasterous fullest...........however what about characters who have a more symetrical story tone (eg) punisher and elektra, hell throw in daredevil.......and you can make one hell of a film with a credible plot....punishers a vigilante who kills influential mobssters...... so elektra is hired to take him out..... it jus so happens that dd stumbles into the middle of the fight while looking for the presumably dead elektra only to find her working for the kind of people he fights against......"see where im headed" throw in some great editing, cool action and have Wilson Fisk as the mastermind with assistance from Jigsaw and you could have agreat film on your hands....kind of like Mr & Mrs Smith meets Crash! what do you think? i know it will never happen im simply exploring a possibility.:spidey:

[Peyton Westlake]

While i agree with you whole heartedly i think in some instances cross overs could be the best way for some characters to have sequals......you really couldnt have the Hulk and Spiderman in the same film without......proving your point to its disasterous fullest...........however what about characters who have a more symetrical story tone (eg) punisher and elektra, hell throw in daredevil.......and you can make one hell of a film with a credible plot....punishers a vigilante who kills influential mobssters...... so elektra is hired to take him out..... it jus so happens that dd stumbles into the middle of the fight while looking for the presumably dead elektra only to find her working for the kind of people he fights against......"see where im headed" throw in some great editing, cool action and have Wilson Fisk as the mastermind with assistance from Jigsaw and you could have agreat film on your hands....kind of like Mr & Mrs Smith meets Crash! what do you think? i know it will never happen im simply exploring a possibility.:spidey:

it could be done well with right director & screenplay

[Chris Wallace]

IvE SEEN SO MANY SPIDERMAN CARTOONS AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE THREE CHARACTERS ADDED TO THE NEXT SPIDERMAN MOVIES LIKE THE PUNISHER,BLADE,
AND DAREDEVIL THEY ALL HAVE BEEN IN SPIDERMAN COMICS AND THE TV SERIES CARTOON.You'd think by now I'd be tired of typing the words, "It ain't gonna happen".

[The_Guyver]

Midnight Sons was a comic book, so it wouldn't be a crossover, it'd be an adaption. They're as much a team as FF, X-Men or The Avengers, just not as well known. I think it'd be a good movie Peyton Westlake.

[Peyton Westlake]

Midnight Sons was a comic book, so it wouldn't be a crossover, it'd be an adaption. They're as much a team as FF, X-Men or The Avengers, just not as well known. I think it'd be a good movie Peyton Westlake.

Well, maybe Im wrong & it is an adaption but, not sold that it wouldnt be good. Anything, can be good with right team.

[Peyton Westlake]

I know,generally speaking, especially in these forums, crossovers are looked down upon. However, I think with a top notch script and possibly a decent budget, this may work.

[Cyrusbales]

As much as I respect you Peyt, this is a bad idea, sorry:(

[Peyton Westlake]

As much as I respect you Peyt, this is a bad idea, sorry:(


No harm ,no foul bro'. You're just being honest.

[Cyrusbales]

I think the best team up movie possible at the moments, would be a daredevil based one, although his frequent partner spidey, has a much more large scale sorta film, so they'd clash. Would be hard to find ones that match well at this stage.

[Peyton Westlake]

I think the best team up movie possible at the moments, would be a daredevil based one, although his frequent partner spidey, has a much more large scale sorta film, so they'd clash. Would be hard to find ones that match well at this stage.


maybe DD & the Punisher ?

[Cyrusbales]

maybe DD & the Punisher ?

Maybe, I think once Iron man is out, maybe an iron man and spidey team up. Wolverine would work well with DD, neither of them are too super powered, yes wolvie is pretty much indestructable, but he can't throw buildings or anything, lol.

I think double teams will work better than larger teams

[Peyton Westlake]

I always thought DD & the Punisher have a lot in common for a team up.

[Cyrusbales]

I always thought DD & the Punisher have a lot in common for a team up.

from the movies so far, I would say it's too early, maybe after punisher 2, see where it takes the character. I think in 2009, after hulk 2, punisher 2, iron man, spidey 3 etc, we might find some possibilities, but so far, each franchise has been made to stand alone and not interact, but we'll see.

[Peyton Westlake]

from the movies so far, I would say it's too early, maybe after punisher 2, see where it takes the character. I think in 2009, after hulk 2, punisher 2, iron man, spidey 3 etc, we might find some possibilities, but so far, each franchise has been made to stand alone and not interact, but we'll see.

This is true, as far as I know, no Marvel character has acknowledged another in a movie. Ironman & the FF is another possibility.

[Cyrusbales]

Well F4 is getting ready for the silver surfer, but i wouldn't wanna see F4 in another movie tbh.

[Peyton Westlake]

I know this is considered a ' FAN BOY ' idea, still the idea around the story could have legs.

[Peyton Westlake]

Since Marvel is going the crossover route, what do you guys think of this.

[Silver Spider]

I think it'll work, since they are starting from the beginning of the Avenger characters' movies.

[irapogi]

wahaha, good job peyton.
it's like jumping in the past then tellin' everyone "I TOLD YOU SO!"
hahaha
you were right, my man.

[Peyton Westlake]

wahaha, good job peyton.
it's like jumping in the past then tellin' everyone "I TOLD YOU SO!"
hahaha
you were right, my man.


well thanx irapogi. Wasnt trying to sound like that, just wondering.

[Peyton Westlake]

I think it'll work, since they are starting from the beginning of the Avenger characters' movies.


I thought so too. Just was a general idea.