how should the joker fight?

[The Question]

in whatever film mitah jay is in, how should he fight?

[Two-Face]

Sorry I don't get what you trying to say.

[Joker831]

He should take cheap shots. When Batman's down...kick him.

When he's up, pick a big piece of wood up and try to hit Batman with it lol.

He shouldnt be able to fight to much, i mean he can throw a few punches and kicks, but nothing special.

He's really suppose to get his ass kicked, and that's why he has thugs

[Riven]

The Joker is no physical threat to Batman. He relies on weapons and dumb luck. Even the worst fighters can get a sucker-punch in now and then.

[GL1]

He should get his ass WHOOOOOOOPED by Batman, but it all be part of the Joker's plan... Joker should laugh while getting his behind handed to him and then get in a lucky hit, once per encounter, though Batman should be ready for it in the climactic battle...

Joker should fight dirty, I beleive is the answer to ur question...

[AnavelGato86]

a mix between Jeet Kune Do and cappoeira ^^

[Rynan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most comicbook Batman/Joker fights start with Batman finding the Joker, the Joker pisses Batman off with something, Batman reaches out his hand and begins to strangle the crap out of him, usually saying something like "Jason....Never again....You'll never have any Hostess Fruit Pies( http://www.seanbaby.com/hostess/joker2.htm). The Joker struggles a bit like a flopping fish and then it's over, for Batman, forsaking all of his Ninja skill, has strangled the Joker in unconsciousness. Batman saves the day and The Joker is proved to be as skilled mentally and physically as a dried rason. yea, can't wait till' the next one.

Now, for me, I think that's a load of garbage. Yes, garbage, for I believe if the Joker is a really lame fighter, he's going to be really low in my expectation meter, even if his plot to kill everyone is good. I want fights I can remember and one sided fights are not acceptable. It makes Batman look like an opressor, a bully, which makes the audience lean more toward The Joker. Your not supposed to do that, but you do. My belief is that Joker should prove to be a threat while fighting, because he fights unprediciably, skillfully manipulating Batman's movements. But I'm not saying like he has a Black Belt or anything, but he should be able to bring the hurt to Batman. He should be able to lay more than one hit on Batman and they should hurt, and hitting with a two-by-four doesn't count. If he gets knocked down, he whips out a joke or gadget to distract Batman as he makes a counter attack, be it an actual blow or the joke itself. And having him be able to go toe-to-toe with Batman makes us root for Batman more, which is the way it should be.

If the Joker can't actually fight Batman, why do we want them to fight?

[ComicBookGuyT]

Joker really isn't a phyisical threat. Not to Batman at least. I see him using lot's of weird weapons. And cheap shots too, like kicks to the groin and such.

[Captain_Obvious]

and NOT use his wacky weapons??

For shame :(

[Honey Vibe]

The guy should rely on the surprises up his sleeve.

[DarkKnightJRK]

He's certainly not as good as Batman. He's alright in actual hand-to-hand (he could probably get a few punches in on Batman in a fair fight), but mostly relies on prior planning, his weapons, and his dumbass luck to win.

[kage88]

he should have a little fight in hiim, but not nearly enough to match batman. in my opinion, no one should physically be able to touch batman( all the training and different styles of ma). but at the same time the joker should be a way better fighter than his thugs.

[Caliber]

Joker shouldn't fight.

[drastic_quench]

Now, for me, I think that's a load of garbage. Yes, garbage, for I believe if the Joker is a really lame fighter, he's going to be really low in my expectation meter, even if his plot to kill everyone is good. I want fights I can remember and one sided fights are not acceptable. It makes Batman look like an opressor, a bully, which makes the audience lean more toward The Joker. Your not supposed to do that, but you do. My belief is that Joker should prove to be a threat while fighting, because he fights unprediciably, skillfully manipulating Batman's movements. But I'm not saying like he has a Black Belt or anything, but he should be able to bring the hurt to Batman. He should be able to lay more than one hit on Batman and they should hurt, and hitting with a two-by-four doesn't count. If he gets knocked down, he whips out a joke or gadget to distract Batman as he makes a counter attack, be it an actual blow or the joke itself. And having him be able to go toe-to-toe with Batman makes us root for Batman more, which is the way it should be.

If the Joker can't actually fight Batman, why do we want them to fight?

That's very well thought out. The end fight in '89 always bothered me. Because it was like once Batman made his way (barely I might add) though J-Man's goons, Joker himself was helpless.

[Riven]

Joker shouldn't fight.
Why not?

In my view, he's the only one insane enough to actually try it. Goons and henchmen will try to kill Batman in combat, but they'll think they have the advantage of large numbers and guns. No one in their right mind would engage Batman ALONE in an unarmed fight.

Except... the Joker?

[HarleyLover]

Joker should definitely use fire arms, at some point. A tommy gun, or double handguns. It's just wickedly iconic to have Joker blasting away, in uproarious laughter, while Bats ducks and weaves.

[ShadowBoxing]

guns

[MrMotto]

Bologna...Joker has to fight with bologna.

If he doesn't hit Batman over the head with bologna at least once, the sequel will suck.

[Tomwelling4sups]

The Joker is no physical threat to Batman. He relies on weapons and dumb luck. Even the worst fighters can get a sucker-punch in now and then.

amen :up:

[DarkKnightJRK]

Bologna...Joker has to fight with bologna.

If he doesn't hit Batman over the head with bologna at least once, the sequel will suck.

I loved that scene in MOTP, where Andrea beats the s**t out of him and throws him onto the table with a sharp knife and a big thing of salami and out of the two weapons...he chooses the salami. :D

[DorkyFresh]

Joker should fight how Joker fought in Batman 89 with his brain and insanity....

[Vile]

The Joker's brand of combat has never been physical, but mental. His insane schemes are what beats Batman down - so when they confront, Batman is exhausted both physically and mentally. Now when they do fight, and Batman is kicking the crap out of him and all Joker can do is spit blood and insane jokes at him...The pefect example would be the Hush issue. "Stop...stop...stop...stop....stop me if you've heard this one."

THATS what I want to see in the Bat sequel.

[Rynan]

I belive I have previously addressed that having the Joker getting his ass beat and laughing is a pretty poor spectical look at. Instead of looking to Lee, you should look at galdiator combat. They're both willing to do what it takes to see their goals accomplished, so having the Joker get knocked around like a rag doll means that he has no faith in his own plan. He should fight like a man or Batman would fight. He would be unrelenting. You hit him, he'll just come back, laughing, for his insanity adds to his endurance. He can take pain. And when he Laughes, he laughes at your weakness and his superiority. His one liners would be more along the lines of "If my side splitter didn't tickle you, maybe a skull splitter will!" and such. But I'm talking non-firearmed equipted combat. If he has guns, he carry a pair of high caliber handguns(note: not revolvers, handguns). And he'll be deadly acturate with them.

Also, making Batman untouchable in combat makes him too much like Superman. After all, Batman is a man. Even with all of his perfecting, he still has imperfections and Batman should display such.

[GL1]

I belive I have previously addressed that having the Joker getting his ass beat and laughing is a pretty poor spectical look at. Instead of looking to Lee, you should look at galdiator combat. They're both willing to do what it takes to see their goals accomplished, so having the Joker get knocked around like a rag doll means that he has no faith in his own plan. He should fight like a man or Batman would fight. He would be unrelenting. You hit him, he'll just come back, laughing, for his insanity adds to his endurance. He can take pain. And when he Laughes, he laughes at your weakness and his superiority. His one liners would be more along the lines of "If my side splitter didn't tickle you, maybe a skull splitter will!" and such. But I'm talking non-firearmed equipted combat. If he has guns, he carry a pair of high caliber handguns(note: not revolvers, handguns). And he'll be deadly acturate with them.

Also, making Batman untouchable in combat makes him too much like Superman. After all, Batman is a man. Even with all of his perfecting, he still has imperfections and Batman should display such.

Interesting take... my thing would be Batman's two hits that he gets in are all a part of Joker's plan and before Batman can actually beat the crap out of joker, Batman gets swamped with some gas Joker's immune to, stung by an aciding explosion or distracted with the potential deaths of hundreds of innocents...

There is a compromise, I'm sure, but having Joker go hand to hand with Batman is rediculous, why study martial arts for years if all it takes is a little craziness to make your blocking inneffective and useless... and if so, how do you convey 'Joker's so crazy he's invincible to all martial arts' without making it look like Batman's skills are just weak, or that the joker doesn't have mad skills? Maybe he travelled the world learning to fight longer than batman?

[raybia]

in whatever film mitah jay is in, how should he fight?


How does he fight in the comics?

The Joker is not a fighter and would never depend on his fighting skills in any given situation except when his opponent is off guard. He knows he's not a match for Batman physically but what makes him a menace is that he's truly totally insane and as a result he is totally unpredictable and spontaneous in his actions and thought process. The Joker likes weapons. The easier to use the best from a gun to even a crow bar(Ain't the right Jason?). Also as a lunatic, the Joker is much stronger and agile that what he appears. Batman is a martial artist so he is very calculative in this fighting, so Joker is a challenge for him because he'll do the unexpected in combat (and always seems to have a trick up his sleeve) and that is what makes him deadly.

[Rynan]

But I think the main point here is that when Batman faces him, he should be like nothing Batman has ever faced before.

I base this on the fact that the movie takes place before the dawn of the Super-villain(aka. Batman issue 1, the Joker's apperance. If your die-hard Batman fans, I suggest you go out and get Batman Dark Knight archives vol. 1 which contains this story. It'll be worth the moneyhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif). Right now, Batman getting into his niche of fighting crime. Ras and Scarecrow are relatively "normal" criminals, like the Monk or Dr. Death from the old Batman stories(though I know in the comics, Scare and Ras are far from normal). They aren't horribly disfigured or have any super terror spree planned(or none that I know of). They look like you or me, normal people(or normal "looking" people). But when the Joker first appeared, he was truely nothing Batman had seen before. Compared to the other villains, he really stood out. He could match Batman's strength with his own combined with his madness. He killed the way Batman would kill(if he were evil and a clown) and their ingunity made the character that much more sinister. He actually appeared that he could "trump" Batman(get it? trump? Joker? eh). The Joker even had a special Joker venom that didn't kill, but left the victem paralizied with the Joker's sinister grin. After all, he was gunning for one target, killing any more than that is sloppy workmanship. Good stuff, Good stuff.

[Jplaya2023]

Like the joker of TAS, fast, swift, agile, with an array of cross kicks and deadly uppercuts. Laugh throughout the fight, and use a southpaw boxing style to throw batman off. Use a variety of joker bombs, and have the grappling ability of zangief in street fighter, to try and slam batman into submission.

[Ronny Shade]

no dreads karate master joker, thats for sure.

[Chris Wallace]

He should take cheap shots. When Batman's down...kick him.

When he's up, pick a big piece of wood up and try to hit Batman with it lol.

He shouldnt be able to fight to much, i mean he can throw a few punches and kicks, but nothing special.

He's really suppose to get his ass kicked, and that's why he has thugsAgreed.
In short, how should he fight? Two ways: badly & dirty.

[trustyside-kick]

I think The Joker should fight dirty..Ya know? Not make it a fair fight. Use some kind of weapon like a chain or brass knuckles...

[saint sinner x]

I think joker should be a sick prick no holds barred bastard like he is in the comics. Joker should fight with uzis, ak47's, 9mm,desert eagles,chains, spike balls, grenades, He should hijacked a truck and try to run over batman he should use shotguns he should like get a gatling gun and he should pretty much just go crazy while fighting bats he should fight batman within a long distance because if batman gets close to joker it's over for the clown prince of crime.

[Armoured-Fury]

Joker should fight how Joker fought in Batman 89 with his brain and insanity....

Insanity and cheap jokes vs rage and anger hmmmm... Could be an interesting fight..

I think that's why Joker gets to Batman the most because he jokes around with him, teases and taunts him.. Makes him get angry and annoyed by him... That is a powerful weapon.. Making somebody angry using the good old piss take can give u an advantage i guess...

It's like teasing a bull with a red flag.. It comes charging at you and u just jump outta da way or throw it a cheap shot.. The Joker bein the guy with the red flag and Batman bein the angered bull..

I mean the Joker must have SOME effect to make Batman wanna strangle da crap outta him! Batman has all these fighting skills and stuff but it would take a LOT to make somebody want to physicly strangle you to death.. Strangelation is a much more slower form of 'personal' killing method.. Watching your victim die in your bare hands... To me that is an anger that would be hard to provoke in Batman but if the Joker can do it then it's an advantage he has... Even the greatest of combatents make mistakes during blind rage...

A. FURY

[Ronny Shade]

Insanity and cheap jokes vs rage and anger hmmmm... Could be an interesting fight..
Insanity, cheap shots, thugs, and weapons
vs
Rage, anger, skill and gadgets

[Armoured-Fury]

Still worth a good fight though aint it?? Lol..

A. FURY

[Calendar Man]

I really think The Joker should be a physical threat. The guy is a 6'5'' freak with amazing durabilty. He should be able to get Bats so freaked out mentally while fighting that he gets a little sloppy thus making it a closer fight. I'm not saying he shouldn't fight dirty (of course he should) but he should get some haymakers in there too. Like in the days of the Kane books. A more powerful Joker. A much better fighter then Nicholson (and comic books and cartoons over the last few decades) portrayed him as. I don't want to see Bats fighting his henchmen for an hour. To me thats kind of pointless. (Unless Killer Croc is one.)

Remember folks you could know every karate move in the book but ask anyone what the worst kind of person to fight is. They will say "someone who just doesn't care". Someone who doesn't care about their own life or the lives of people around them. They are the worst because you never know what they will do. Thats The Joker in a nutshell. The baddest of the bad.

[trustyside-kick]

Another thing I would like to add besides what I said before is during a fight Joker should talk a lot of crap and try to distract Bats.

[warren_sparta27]

my thoughts have pretty much already been said, a dirty fighter, should talk alot of crap to bats making batman sloppy, he should use baseball bats, crowbars, brass knuckles, guns, dirty tricks and gadgets, but if need be, he should be able to hold his own in a fist fight.
i want to see a joker with longish hair, that gets messy when he fights, he shouldn't care about his life when he fights, or anyone elses.
he should laugh like a maniac while he is fighting.
also i would love to see Joker call Batman 'Bats' or 'Batsy'

also like in Batman 89, when Joker kills that guy with the heat/burning thing on his glove, and then talks to the dead body. i would love to see a scene like this, but Joker getting mad with the lifeless body and screaming at it.

[trustyside-kick]

my thoughts have pretty much already been said, a dirty fighter, should talk alot of crap to bats making batman sloppy, he should use baseball bats, crowbars, brass knuckles, guns, dirty tricks and gadgets, but if need be, he should be able to hold his own in a fist fight.
i want to see a joker with longish hair, that gets messy when he fights, he shouldn't care about his life when he fights, or anyone elses.
he should laugh like a maniac while he is fighting.
also i would love to see Joker call Batman 'Bats' or 'Batsy'

also like in Batman 89, when Joker kills that guy with the heat/burning thing on his glove, and then talks to the dead body. i would love to see a scene like this, but Joker getting mad with the lifeless body and screaming at it.

I'm liking your idea about the lifeless body and Joker like screaming at it and crap..hell would be cool if he like "argued" with it or something. :P

[warren_sparta27]

yeah that's what i was thinking Joker, getting furious with this dead body, having an argument with it, just showing how crazy he is.

[trustyside-kick]

One way the Joker could trick Bats in battle is to drop/throw some of those explosives that look like a sack of marbles. So basically, if the Joker had/used some of the gags like the Joker in TAS that would be cool.

[ganstaman56]

with his usual trademark Joker Weapons Smilex, gas bomb that makes batman not able to see him allowing him to get away, flash bomb that blinds batman, razor cards to use on his victims and mabye bats if he gets desperate, guns, dirty tricks, ya know what does he usually use to fight? we'll just have to wait and see. :batman: V.S :joker:


also what about Harley Quinn ya know they cant have Joker without:hq: . although i think it would be better to save her for BB3.

[Mr. Socko]

Weapons, cheapshots, and dirty tactics in a fight against Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

Ya. Dirty tactis should probablybe the most important thing when it comes to the Joker's fighting in the next film(s).

[bdsproductions]

like The Long Halloween or Dark Knight Returns (i want Joekr to be a blend of those two portrayels) guns,not too strong as well as pshychological attacks seeking out his enemys weakness.he should not be a big punch thrower if he has to use somthing how aobut a blunt object like a crowbar or preferrably he should use kives....obutcher knives,as weapons on occasion.so deadly but pshycically weak.oh,andwith lots of use of cold,caltcualteing cunnery.

[trustyside-kick]

like The Long Halloween or Dark Knight Returns (i want Joekr to be a blend of those two portrayels) guns,not too strong as well as pshychological attacks seeking out his enemys weakness.he should not be a big punch thrower if he has to use somthing how aobut a blunt object like a crowbar or preferrably he should use kives....obutcher knives,as weapons on occasion.so deadly but pshycically weak.oh,andwith lots of use of cold,caltcualteing cunnery.

I don't recall Joker fighting in The Long Halloween. But if you meant the part where he had the gun pointed to Maroni's head and one of his sharp Joker cards at Falcone's throat then I see what you mean.

[The Last Meatbag]

Frenzied, crazy, and unpredictable. As he usually is. He should use weapons more than his fists, clubs, pipes, wooden planks with nails in them, and of course, his acid spewing flower :o

[trustyside-kick]

Frenzied, crazy, and unpredictable. As he usually is. He should use weapons more than his fists, clubs, pipes, wooden planks with nails in them, and of course, his acid spewing flower :o

I have already stated he should talk trash and crap while fighting to distract but a good thing to refer to is like in ROTJ in the flashback part where Batman had him up against a box and Joker distracted him with one hand and whipped out a knife with the other hand and then stabbed Batman in the leg after slashing at his chest. :up:

[bdsproductions]

he should be skilled in the art of stabbity death as well as shootity death.no punches but guns and knives.i don't really want that much fighting.

[BatB]

The Joker should be all calm and relaxed until he fights than he should be like a rabid dog. Just keeps pouring it on overwhelming his opponent.