Batman Republican or Democrat

[ShadowBoxing]

In this world of partisan-ship I would put out is Batman a Republican or Democrat. (or Independent)

Here are a few officially stated political affiliations

Republican:
Captain America (though he really identifies with whoever is in power)
Superman (also same as Cap kinda)

Democrat
Cyclops
DareDevil
Senator Kelly (at least late in his career)

[ShadowBoxing]

I personally would go with option C...has major problems with both because he never seems to be on good terms with the Government

[TRUE]

Bruce Wayne: Republican because he is a rich snob

Batman: Democrat because he cares about the well being of the people.

Please dont take what i type seriously!

[MatchesMalone]

Batman has always been apolitical to me. However, were I to examine the issue, I would suggest Batman is very much not a Republican, nor Democrat. His very nature as a grass-roots vigilante really removes him from either party by ideology. However, let's examine the views Batman has expressed over the years (in-continuity) against political affiliations:

Gun Rights: Batman has been depicted for numerous years as being a staunch anti-gun individual. In short, Batman hates guns and thinks they should be eliminated from the equation of our culture. Definitely a Democrat viewpoint.

Government interference: Batman has been shown infiltrating and expressing disdain for government operations, mostly in connection with law enforcement (FBI, etc.). Also, Batman's whole ideology represents a citizen's right to defend himself and pro-actively thwart crime. Very much a classical Republican viewpoint (recent Republican stances seem to go against this view)

Economy: Bruce Wayne has shown a remarkable philantropic attitude, giving to charities and welfare organizations over the years, as well as calling for government help in the rebuilding of Gotham after Cataclysm. Definitely a Democratic viewpoint.

Defense: Batman is definitely a supporter of the armed forces and enforcement of the protection of America. I would assume he would support a large spending of the budget on military protection. Republican.

There's more, but I have work to do ;)

[Detective Flass]

Batman/Bruce Wayne is a Democrat.

He cares for all, he knows the pain. The least he would want for America would be equal rights to all.

He's a democrat.

[Detective Flass]

Oh, and Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Nightcrawler, and Hal Jordon/Green Lantern are democrats.

[Truthteller]

One analysis that I saw went like this:

Spider-man: Independent
Batman: Conservative
Superman: Liberal

[CConn]

Batman/Bruce Wayne is a Democrat.

He cares for all, he knows the pain. The least he would want for America would be equal rights to all.

He's a democrat.Those aren't only Democatic principles anymore. :o

Anyway, I think he'd be Libertarian...ish.

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman has always been apolitical to me. However, were I to examine the issue, I would suggest Batman is very much not a Republican, nor Democrat. His very nature as a grass-roots vigilante really removes him from either party by ideology. However, let's examine the views Batman has expressed over the years (in-continuity) against political affiliations:

Gun Rights: Batman has been depicted for numerous years as being a staunch anti-gun individual. In short, Batman hates guns and thinks they should be eliminated from the equation of our culture. Definitely a Democrat viewpoint.

Government interference: Batman has been shown infiltrating and expressing disdain for government operations, mostly in connection with law enforcement (FBI, etc.). Also, Batman's whole ideology represents a citizen's right to defend himself and pro-actively thwart crime. Very much a classical Republican viewpoint (recent Republican stances seem to go against this view)

Economy: Bruce Wayne has shown a remarkable philantropic attitude, giving to charities and welfare organizations over the years, as well as calling for government help in the rebuilding of Gotham after Cataclysm. Definitely a Democratic viewpoint.

Defense: Batman is definitely a supporter of the armed forces and enforcement of the protection of America. I would assume he would support a large spending of the budget on military protection. Republican.

There's more, but I have work to do ;)

He is also Anti-death penalty. I say this because every mass murder he has caught or apprehended himself he has sent to Arkham for rehabilitation

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman/Bruce Wayne is a Democrat.

He cares for all, he knows the pain. The least he would want for America would be equal rights to all.

He's a democrat.

Bill Clinton: I feel your pain:up:

[CConn]

He is also Anti-death penalty. I say this because every mass murder he has caught or apprehended himself he has sent to Arkham for rehabilitationIsn't the sentencing of criminals the responsibility of the courts, not Batman?

[MatchesMalone]

Not that it is in-continuity, but Bruce in Kingdom Come talked to Clark about Blackgate Prison being destroyed, and he said something along the line of, "Don't tell me it didn't give you a little tingle to hear that they'd all been killed..."

That is the only reference to anything close to the death penalty I have heard him say in the comics...

[ShadowBoxing]

Isn't the sentencing of criminals the responsibility of the courts, not Batman?

true true...but keep in mind its a comic book, so the ideals of the character are going to reflect somewhat in the surroundings. The only way we would know for sure whether Batman really agrees with the death penalty would be if Gotham started executing its prisoners (Like Joker and others). Would he then still be so helped to the GPD, we don't know. However I think he himself does not kill therefore he must in someway believe that killing doesn't accomplish anything. As opposed to say the Punisher who is on a similar crusade with more perminent solutions.

[ShadowBoxing]

Plus comic books in general tend to be pretty liberal. DC and Marvel both in their history were groundbreaking in tackling issues like Race, Drugs, and Religion (I am refering to an issue of Thor where he fought the Crusader, I find its message somewhat contraversial)

[Voyeur]

I'm not sure I want to know. I'm afraid one day I'll pick up a comic and Batman will call Poison Ivy a "tree-hugging liberal Commi!"

I'll be crestfallen.

[Antinicolae]

I'm sad to say I think he's a Democrat for his stance on guns and that whole Robin in very short shorts thing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Well the definitive Republican/Democrat separation is small government or big government. Republicans tend to like hands off government and Democrats tend to be hands on. This is a spectrum, on one end is pull yourself up by your boot straps, and the other is welfare state (these are extremes). Batman seems to dislike government stepping in on his territory (Gotham)...even when it comes in the form of Superman. However, he seems in support of welfare programs that aid in helping the families of the areas he protects. True, he supports strong homeland security, but this is NOT a Republican ideal as some would have us believe. The truth is the party in power is traditionally in support of War, the party that is not is not. World War II is a good example of a time when Democrats got tough on defense. Republicans were in support of Vietnam, when Democrats were not. It goes on like this. My opinion is still Batman is apolitical, however he definitely stands up for slums in Gotham and often opposes development projects in those places in favor of providing aid to the residents. For this I would say he is a Democrat, at least at a local level

[Till_the_End]

Batman and Bruce Wayne both hate guns so much that there is absolutely no way they vote Republican. The way to fight guns goes through the democrats and Bruce knows that. As far as I know Bruce is also interested in protecting the environment which is certainly not an important Republican issue.

And wow wow, I refuse to believe Superman is Republican? Where did you read that?

[Comic Book Boy]

He is smart.....(a Democrat) :batman::up: :D

[DarkKnightJRK]

I'd say he's most likely a Libretarian.

[cryptic name]

lets see, he fights criminals without *****ing and moaning about their "rights".
he supports the police (both as bruce and batman).
and he's smart

republican
(although i voted for problems with both because he doesn't strike me as a partisan yes monkey)

[Manic]

I like to think Bruce Wayne is an Independent voter. When you look at Batman's views on crime, money, big business, life, death, ect. He just seems like someone who has a common interest with each political party. He's a complex guy, you know.

[-Fire-Fly-]

I think and many of may agree with me on these but I don't think he is any of those Bruce Wayne doesn't seem like a voter type.

[Infinity9999x]

republicrat all the way.

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman and Bruce Wayne both hate guns so much that there is absolutely no way they vote Republican. The way to fight guns goes through the democrats and Bruce knows that. As far as I know Bruce is also interested in protecting the environment which is certainly not an important Republican issue.

And wow wow, I refuse to believe Superman is Republican? Where did you read that?

Well I said he really identifies with whoever is in power, but he is pretty republican in DKR

[ShadowBoxing]

lets see, he fights criminals without *****ing and moaning about their "rights".
he supports the police (both as bruce and batman).
and he's smart

republican
(although i voted for problems with both because he doesn't strike me as a partisan yes monkey)

I would say he greatly values the rights of the villians. Or else he wouldn't feel the pity he does for them. I mean they all end up in an Asylum, besides he is not the Punisher

[DarkKnightJRK]

Well I said he really identifies with whoever is in power, but he is pretty republican in DKR

That doesn't sound so right, the only connection I could think of is him talking to Reagan, but that was just because he was the current President.

[snazzy J]

He's far too smart to be either.

[Comic Book Boy]

A better question would be:

Did he vote for Bush, or Kerry?

(I say he voted for Kerry for obvious reasons.)

[Detective Flass]

In issue 638, it's clear he voted for John Kerry.

In 2008 there may be a possible Batman/Kerry team up, Kerry's second bid for election and Batman 2 being released.

That's going to be a kickass team up! :D

[Dwarf lord]

Oh, and Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Nightcrawler, and Hal Jordon/Green Lantern are democrats.

Hal's more republican or at least a moderate. Any questions, go read Green Lantern/Green Arrow. They were always opposites.

[Dwarf lord]

In issue 638, it's clear he voted for John Kerry.

In 2008 there may be a possible Batman/Kerry team up, Kerry's second bid for election and Batman 2 being released.

That's going to be a kickass team up! :D

I fail to see where it's clear and NOBODY LIKED KERRY! THEY JUST HATE BUSH! HE WON'T RUN AGAIN BECAUSE NO BACK-STABBING LIBERAL COMMUNIST CAN BEAT HER IN THE PRELIMS! You have been told numerous times that no one liked him, so please stop, it gets really annoying.

[Manic]

Check it out...

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=140610

[Comic Book Boy]

I fail to see where it's clear and NOBODY LIKED KERRY! THEY JUST HATE BUSH! HE WON'T RUN AGAIN BECAUSE NO BACK-STABBING LIBERAL COMMUNIST CAN BEAT HER IN THE PRELIMS! You have been told numerous times that no one liked him, so please stop, it gets really annoying.
I liked him.:batman::up:

[Comic Book Boy]

Hal's more republican or at least a moderate. Any questions, go read Green Lantern/Green Arrow. They were always opposites.
Yeah.

GA= Democrat
GL= Republican

[Riven]

Yeah.

GA= Democrat

Uhm, isn't Green Arrow a communist? That's a WHOLE 'nother ballgame than democrat... :D

BATMAN FOR PRESIDENT DAMMIT!

[Dwarf lord]

I liked him.:batman::up:

Very few liked him and Flass over there is being annoying about it and saying he's going to run and win in '08 which is probably not the case.

[cryptic name]

I would say he greatly values the rights of the villians. Or else he wouldn't feel the pity he does for them. I mean they all end up in an Asylum, besides he is not the Punisher


yes, he does believe in rehabilitation and such. but he has no qualms breaking the ribs of a rapist without thinking about anything like class or race. maybe "rights" isn't the word i meant.

[AnavelGato86]

Whatever side Lex luther did not run under. Thats the side he will be on

[Batman15]

does it really matter? I hope they never touch upon that subject in the comics. People always seem let down once they find their favorite character doesnt share all the same beliefs they do. If anything, hes independant.

[hippie_hunter]

Oh, and Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Nightcrawler, and Hal Jordon/Green Lantern are democrats.

Hal Jordan is definetly not a Democrat. He is a moderate Republican like Rudy Gulliani and John McCain. The whole point of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow team up was because Hal was a die-hard conservative. Because of Ollie, Hal turned more moderate

[hippie_hunter]

Republicans:
Superman
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Green Lantern (Alan)
Green Lantern (Hal)
Green Lantern (John)
the Flash (Barry)
the Flash (Wally)
Captain Atom
Black Lightning

Democrats:
Green Arrow (Ollie)
Green Arrow (Connor)
Speedy (Mia)
Arsenal
the Flash (Jay)
Kid Flash (Bart)

None:
Batman
Batgirl
Wonder Woman
Troia

[hippie_hunter]

Whatever side Lex luther did not run under. Thats the side he will be on

Luthor ran as an independent denouncing both parties

[hippie_hunter]

In issue 638, it's clear he voted for John Kerry.

In 2008 there may be a possible Batman/Kerry team up, Kerry's second bid for election and Batman 2 being released.

That's going to be a kickass team up! :D

Here's the thing, when the Democrats lose a presidential election, they kinda push the former candidate away, hence Al Gore and it appears Kerry is getting the same treatment. If a candidate wins they really promote him, hence Bill Clinton. In 2008 someone else is going to run like Hillary Clinton or some other guy. And BTW Kerry had no right to win, the fact that he had a chance was sad and pathetic

[The Overlord]

Republicans:
Superman
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Green Lantern (Alan)
Green Lantern (Hal)
Green Lantern (John)
the Flash (Barry)
the Flash (Wally)
Wonder Woman
Captain Atom
Black Lightning

Democrats:
Green Arrow (Ollie)
Green Arrow (Connor)
Speedy (Mia)
Arsenal
the Flash (Jay)
Kid Flash (Bart)

None:
Batman

Green Arrow is not a Democrat, if anything he likely votes for the Green Party.

[Dwarf lord]

Hal Jordan is definetly not a Democrat. He is a moderate Republican like Rudy Gulliani and John McCain. The whole point of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow team up was because Hal was a die-hard conservative. Because of Ollie, Hal turned more moderate

You do realize he's just pushing his favorite heroes as Democrats because that's what he is. I'm a strong conservative and Green Arrow is my favorite hero and I have no problem with it.

[Dwarf lord]

Here's the thing, when the Democrats lose a presidential election, they kinda push the former candidate away, hence Al Gore and it appears Kerry is getting the same treatment. If a candidate wins they really promote him, hence Bill Clinton. In 2008 someone else is going to run like Hillary Clinton or some other guy. And BTW Kerry had no right to win, the fact that he had a chance was sad and pathetic

Yeah, I don't even think Kerry ran in the DCU. I'd even go as far to say as he doesn't exist. Pete Ross was President and they probably got another fake in there. Lex will probably take over soon. And yeah, I cannot forgive Kerry for the things he said after Vietnam. My father was in that war, saw nothing that Kerry was talking about it and he was still treated like crap when he got home. He had no right to use Vietnam as part of his campaign and in my eyes, he's no different than Benedict Arnold and Jane Fonda.

[Comic Book Boy]

Republicans:
Superman
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Green Lantern (Alan)
Green Lantern (Hal)
Green Lantern (John)
the Flash (Barry)
the Flash (Wally)
Wonder Woman
Captain Atom
Black Lightning

Democrats:
Green Arrow (Ollie)
Green Arrow (Connor)
Speedy (Mia)
Arsenal
the Flash (Jay)
Kid Flash (Bart)

None:
Batman
HAHA, Wonder Woman is NOT a Republican.

[ComicBookGuy25]

Batman is a Republican. He wants to keep all his money and get his taxcuts. You know that for sure.

[Comic Book Boy]

does it really matter? I hope they never touch upon that subject in the comics. People always seem let down once they find their favorite character doesnt share all the same beliefs they do. If anything, hes independant.
Well said, I agree.

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman is a Republican. He wants to keep all his money and get his taxcuts. You know that for sure.
WTF? You have nothing to support that. Plus he gives to charities. HUGE anti-gun and HUGE anti-death penalty.:batman:

[watsonlives]

I think Batman is equally supicious about the motives of both parties and politicians in general.

[War Lord]

All DC characters made before the 1960's are generally republicans.

[hippie_hunter]

HAHA, Wonder Woman is NOT a Republican.

She definetly not a Democrat either, she is very pro-death penalty and beleives that in extreme circumstances the heroes can execute the villains such as Dr. Light, Ruin, etc.

[The Overlord]

She definetly not a Democrat either, she is very pro-death penalty and beleives that in extreme circumstances the heroes can execute the villains such as Dr. Light, Ruin, etc.

Wonder Woman comes from an island where society is similar to that of ancient Greece, it would be very hard to box her into modern political parties.

[hippie_hunter]

WTF? You have nothing to support that. Plus he gives to charities. HUGE anti-gun and HUGE anti-death penalty.:batman:

Batman is indeed very HUGE anti-gun but thats only because his parents were taken by a gun, he inherited a huge gun collection from his father and even purchased a gun himself

However Batman is HUGE pro-death penalty. He is angered by the court system in Gotham because they will not execute criminals like the Joker. He is not for the rights of criminals and even lightly tortures them when he is in possession of them. If he was in charge of a jail there would definetly not be any cable TV, excercise time, and other luxuries, once your locked up your rights are taken away is probally what he thinks. He supports rehabilitation for a few people such as robbers, Two-Face, Catwoman but the rest can rot for all he cares such as the Joker and Black Mask.

[The Overlord]

All DC characters made before the 1960's are generally republicans.

Have you read any Superman stories from the 1940s, the character was written as a socialist.

[hippie_hunter]

Wonder Woman comes from an island where society is similar to that of ancient Greece, it would be very hard to box her into modern political parties.

I would say that she is neither also then

[hippie_hunter]

Have you read any Superman stories from the 1940s, the character was written as a socialist.

Yeah, fighting Japanazis as American propaganda shows that he's really socialist in the 1940's.

Superman is like Pope John Paul II, extremely pro-life (anti-death penalty included on that) with conservative values

[The Overlord]

Yeah, fighting Japanazis as American propaganda shows that he's really socialist in the 1940's.

Superman is like Pope John Paul II, extremely pro-life (anti-death penalty included on that) with conservative values

What you never heard about the Supes story in the 1940s where he finds about a mine with bad working conditions and through a series a bizzare tricks Supes get the mine owner to admit his errors.

[Riven]

Superman may have conservative values, but his bleeding heart is HUGE.



What does it matter anyway?

I see Batman as an anarchist who happens to be rich enough to get away with it. An anarchist that balances on the edge of fascism, I might add. In many ways, Batman is the most ironic inversion of fascism... he actually uses their methods (extreme violence, law & order, discipline), but perverts their goal to do good.

Anyway, it's safe to say that in the comics, it depends on who's writing him.

Besides, you guys tend to see things so black-and-white. Not all democrats are tree hugging liberals and not all republicans are warmongering big-business puppets. These classifications like "promotes big government" or "is tough on crime" are so dated it's rediculous. They have little to do anymore with political reality. Democrats and Republicans are so close to eachother in terms of ideology it's hardly worth debating either side, cause you'll end up with roughly the same rule in the long run.

Looking at it from the perspective of Europe (and having studied American history extensively), you guys basically have the choice between "pretty damn conservative" and "even more conservative". Not to say that policies won't be different, but they're definitely more different formally than in actual content.

[hippie_hunter]

What you never heard about the Supes story in the 1940s where he finds about a mine with bad working conditions and through a series a bizzare tricks Supes get the mine owner to admit his errors.

Ummmm.......that doesn't have to be a socialist thinking to convince someone is using horrible conditions to his workers

[The Overlord]

Ummmm.......that doesn't have to be a socialist thinking to convince someone is using horrible conditions to his workers

How many Republicans in the 1940s cared about working conditions in mines?

[ShadowBoxing]

I will say this...though we all say Batman supports the police, his actions as a vigilante are an overt criticism of the police and justice system which failed him and his parents when he was young

[ShadowBoxing]

Superman may have conservative values, but his bleeding heart is HUGE.



What does it matter anyway?

I see Batman as an anarchist who happens to be rich enough to get away with it. An anarchist that balances on the edge of fascism, I might add. In many ways, Batman is the most ironic inversion of fascism... he actually uses their methods (extreme violence, law & order, discipline), but perverts their goal to do good.

Anyway, it's safe to say that in the comics, it depends on who's writing him.

Besides, you guys tend to see things so black-and-white. Not all democrats are tree hugging liberals and not all republicans are warmongering big-business puppets. These classifications like "promotes big government" or "is tough on crime" are so dated it's rediculous. They have little to do anymore with political reality. Democrats and Republicans are so close to eachother in terms of ideology it's hardly worth debating either side, cause you'll end up with roughly the same rule in the long run.

Looking at it from the perspective of Europe (and having studied American history extensively), you guys basically have the choice between "pretty damn conservative" and "even more conservative". Not to say that policies won't be different, but they're definitely more different formally than in actual content.

The only difference between Democrats and REpublicans is the role they feel government should play. Democrats believe in big government, or government that levels the playing field for the less fortunate. Republicans believe in small government or government that allows some to fail and some to fourish. Neither, view is inherently better, and neither view necessarily carries ideologies like tough on crime, or supports the environment

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman is indeed very HUGE anti-gun but thats only because his parents were taken by a gun, he inherited a huge gun collection from his father and even purchased a gun himself

However Batman is HUGE pro-death penalty. He is angered by the court system in Gotham because they will not execute criminals like the Joker. He is not for the rights of criminals and even lightly tortures them when he is in possession of them. If he was in charge of a jail there would definetly not be any cable TV, excercise time, and other luxuries, once your locked up your rights are taken away is probally what he thinks. He supports rehabilitation for a few people such as robbers, Two-Face, Catwoman but the rest can rot for all he cares such as the Joker and Black Mask.
If he was huge-pro-death penalty (like you say) he would kill them himself.

[Comic Book Boy]

All DC characters made before the 1960's are generally republicans.
hmmm, i dunno where you get that from....

Wasn't Bob Kane and Sigel and Shuster all Democrats? (I could be wrong but I know they were all Jewish)

[Dwarf lord]

HAHA, Wonder Woman is NOT a Republican.

She's nothing because she's not an american. Anyways, she'd probably be closer to the right because she's a queen and deeply religious.

[Comic Book Boy]

She's nothing because she's not an american. Anyways, she'd probably be closer to the right because she's a queen and deeply religious.
Royalty has to be Republican?

Plus being religious doesn't mean being a Republican....She isn't Christian.

[Dwarf lord]

Royalty has to be Republican?

Plus being religious doesn't mean being a Republican....She isn't Christian.

It is called being me making fun of how the liberals label republicans.

[Riven]

She's nothing because she's not an american. Anyways, she'd probably be closer to the right because she's a queen and deeply religious.
Queen, yeah, but not over a modern nation state. It's an egalitarian Greek democracy. And deeply religious does not equal right wing. She's polytheistic, remember? Those religions tend to be tolerant, inclusive, nuanced and more attuned to the natural world than our monotheistic zoroastrian religions.

[Comic Book Boy]

It is called being me making fun of how the liberals label republicans.
okay....that wasn't clear.

[Comic Book Boy]

Queen, yeah, but not over a modern nation state. It's an egalitarian Greek democracy. And deeply religious does not equal right wing. She's polytheistic, remember? Those religions tend to be tolerant, inclusive, nuanced and more attuned to the natural world than our monotheistic zoroastrian religions.
:batman::up:

[ShadowBoxing]

What about Green Lantern, he has to be republican (I am refering to Hal)...although he did do Green Lantern Green Arrow which was pretty liberal

[Riven]

So am I wrong in understanding Green Arrow is a communist? Cause people keep referring to him as a democrat and liberal... :confused:

[ShadowBoxing]

So am I wrong in understanding Green Arrow is a communist? Cause people keep referring to him as a democrat and liberal... :confused:

I would have to agree with that statement. He was a rich guy whose near death experience made him give up a life of luxury. And he seems to be a robin hood of sorts. Maybe not communist, but definitely liberal.

However I believe Green Lantern Hal is conservative (and republican) since he was in Green Lantern Green Arrow a la the odd couple. The unalike unlikely parring. So I would think he was the oposite of Green Arrow

[Riven]

I would have to agree with that statement. He was a rich guy whose near death experience made him give up a life of luxury. And he seems to be a robin hood of sorts. Maybe not communist, but definitely liberal.


I only thought he was a communist (as in really defending marxist ideology) cause that's what he's called repeatedly in DKR and DKSA... not be most accurate sources, I know, but that's all I had to go by...

[ShadowBoxing]

I have not read DKSA (though I own it), however your assumption would most likely be correct. Green Arrow would definitely go for that sort of thing

[Dwarf lord]

Green Arrow is a socialist. Denny O'Neill is a communist and GA was probably one under him, but now he's more of a Socialist or at least a super liberal. Pied Piper is a communist, I think.

[hippie_hunter]

If he was huge-pro-death penalty (like you say) he would kill them himself.

Batman beleives only the court of law can execute criminals and he cannot allow himself to be succomed to the evil that took his parents. Hell he one time almost killed the Joker and admits he wants to but he can't because of that evil and well Gordon stopping him

[Infinity9999x]

You know, I honestly didn't think a thread about fictional characters political standings could last this long...

[ShadowBoxing]

I did, thats why I started it

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman beleives only the court of law can execute criminals and he cannot allow himself to be succomed to the evil that took his parents. Hell he one time almost killed the Joker and admits he wants to but he can't because of that evil and well Gordon stopping him
When has he said he favors the court to give a death sentence? Even what you said still makes him anti-death penalty.

[hippie_hunter]

When has he said he favors the court to give a death sentence? Even what you said still makes him anti-death penalty.

No it makes him pro-death penalty but anti-killing himself

[Comic Book Boy]

No it makes him pro-death penalty but anti-killing himself

Who is anti-killing but pro-death?

[Whack Arnolds]

In issue 638, it's clear he voted for John Kerry.

In 2008 there may be a possible Batman/Kerry team up, Kerry's second bid for election and Batman 2 being released.

That's going to be a kickass team up! :D

Yeah...

That whole year Batman will flip flop on whether to wear black and grey, or all black. He also will not be able to take a stance on what a sentencing should be for a criminal. :joker:

[P. Cushing]

Defense: Batman is definitely a supporter of the armed forces and enforcement of the protection of America. I would assume he would support a large spending of the budget on military protection. Republican.

WHAT?! No. Batman's always (except for the propoganda filled 40s) a big antiwar man and there was one take on his early years that had him shut down a huge money making division of WE because it was working on military projects.

[P. Cushing]

Not that it is in-continuity, but Bruce in Kingdom Come talked to Clark about Blackgate Prison being destroyed, and he said something along the line of, "Don't tell me it didn't give you a little tingle to hear that they'd all been killed..."

That is the only reference to anything close to the death penalty I have heard him say in the comics...
That's him acting like a jackass. Regular continuity Batman would never say that and besides, remember Superman's great speech to him about him just being about not wanting anyone to die.

[P. Cushing]

Luthor ran as an independent denouncing both parties
Sad thing is, I'd probably have voted for him just to get rid of Bush.

[P. Cushing]

And yeah, I cannot forgive Kerry for the things he said after Vietnam.
Really? That was of the things I liked about him.

[P. Cushing]

All DC characters made before the 1960's are generally republicans.
Only during the 40s and 50s.

[P. Cushing]

Batman probably has contempt for both parties, but I'd say he leans more to the left, based on his anti-gun, anti-death, pro-environment, pro-charity stances.

[Comic Book Boy]

Really? That was of the things I liked about him.
I agree.

[Comic Book Boy]

Sad thing is, I'd probably have voted for him just to get rid of Bush.
I agree.

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman probably has contempt for both parties, but I'd say he leans more to the left, based on his anti-gun, anti-death, pro-environment, pro-charity stances.
I agree.

[Comic Book Boy]

Also I think Batman is too smart to be an independant (no offence) but he'd know to pick a side...Plus owning WE would be hard for an independant.

[kame-sennin]

Political parties can not apply to someone like Batman (he is distrustful of all politicians), he is a fascist liberal. He is clearly liberal because he is a philanthropist (who seems to hate every other business man in Gotham), he is anti-gun, and he is anti-death penalty. Everything he does as Bruce Wayne seems to support the notion that he is liberal. However, like all comic book heros, he has an element of facism in him; i.e. he takes the law into his own hands, he believes in order above all else, and he believes that violence can solve problems. This the inherent to some degree in all costumed vigilantees, it is a bit stronger in Batman. Reguardless, he is still using a fascist methodology to enforce liberal values.

[kame-sennin]

Besides, you guys tend to see things so black-and-white. Not all democrats are tree hugging liberals and not all republicans are warmongering big-business puppets. These classifications like "promotes big government" or "is tough on crime" are so dated it's rediculous. They have little to do anymore with political reality. Democrats and Republicans are so close to eachother in terms of ideology it's hardly worth debating either side, cause you'll end up with roughly the same rule in the long run.

Looking at it from the perspective of Europe (and having studied American history extensively), you guys basically have the choice between "pretty damn conservative" and "even more conservative". Not to say that policies won't be different, but they're definitely more different formally than in actual content.

:up:

All DC characters made before the 1960's are generally republicans.

Superman was new deal democrat before WWII. It was only after the 1950's that he became attached to American conservatism, after that of course, Frank Miller took it to a new level.

[mwm1331]

Batman is a republican.
He doesn't use guns for a simple reason. He doesn't kill, which is a guns only purpose.
As to his chrity work that show him to be republican as well. He gives freely to those in need, he doesn't give to the government to do so, which is the democratic version of charity.
He is a big beliver in punishing criminals, which is republican as, democrats want to "rehabilitate them".
He is very small government.
He is pissed gotham hasn't executed the joker, but he doesn't do it himself as he doesn't kill.
He can't be a democrat becuase.
He doesn't steal from other rich people to give to the poor (taxes, we;fare etc.)
He doesn't try to negotiate with his eneimies he just kicks thier asses.
He doesn't whine.
He's believes in the rights of citizens to protect themselves, whereas democrats believe thats the polices job.
He's intelligent

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman is a republican.
He doesn't use guns for a simple reason. He doesn't kill, which is a guns only purpose.
As to his chrity work that show him to be republican as well. He gives freely to those in need, he doesn't give to the government to do so, which is the democratic version of charity.
He is a big beliver in punishing criminals, which is republican as, democrats want to "rehabilitate them".
He is very small government.
He is pissed gotham hasn't executed the joker, but he doesn't do it himself as he doesn't kill.
He can't be a democrat becuase.
He doesn't steal from other rich people to give to the poor (taxes, we;fare etc.)
He doesn't try to negotiate with his eneimies he just kicks thier asses.
He doesn't whine.
He's believes in the rights of citizens to protect themselves, whereas democrats believe thats the polices job.
He's intelligent
WOW! What a warped mind you must have!

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman is a republican.
He doesn't use guns for a simple reason. He doesn't kill, which is a guns only purpose.
As to his chrity work that show him to be republican as well. He gives freely to those in need, he doesn't give to the government to do so, which is the democratic version of charity.
He is a big beliver in punishing criminals, which is republican as, democrats want to "rehabilitate them".
He is very small government.
He is pissed gotham hasn't executed the joker, but he doesn't do it himself as he doesn't kill.
He can't be a democrat becuase.
He doesn't steal from other rich people to give to the poor (taxes, we;fare etc.)
He doesn't try to negotiate with his eneimies he just kicks thier asses.
He doesn't whine.
He's believes in the rights of citizens to protect themselves, whereas democrats believe thats the polices job.
He's intelligent

First off you are an idiot who has never studied politics or you would know
-Democrats and Republicans both funnel money through the government for charity
-Crime and Punishment is a bipartisan issue. The only issue on which they are split is the Death Penalty. Also in the Killing Joke Batman is quoted as saying to the Joker "I could rehabilitate you...you needn't be on the edge anymore. you needn't be alone" (ooohhhh slapped down there huh)
-Small Government is the only issue that is Republican you listed
-Read above
-He may not steal from the rich (I don't know why you think a non politician would have the power to). However he gives massive amounts of his money to the very poor crime alley section of Gotham. Republicans tend not to do this at all since they believe in a pull yourself up by your own bootstraps theory.
-He very often negotiates with enemies, often using himself as a form of bait or trade.
-I'm not going to diginify that one
-Actually republicans do not believe citizen's should protect themselves. Vigilantism is the height of liberalism, The idea that you do not need an established power to provide a local defense
-70% of all people classified as intelligent according to IQ vote democrat and are very liberal...obviously you do not fall into that group

[Dwarf lord]

Really? That was of the things I liked about him.

My Dad was in Vietnam...

[souloffire]

Batman is whatever the writer at the time wants him to be.

[hippie_hunter]

Batman is neither:

- he may be anti-killing, but thats only because he does not want to be consumed by the evil that took his parents lives, he is very pro-death penalty
- he gives to charity to help the poor, the ones that will not abuse it, and to those he sees potential in. Bruce Wayne also funds the Outsiders and possibly helps to fund the JLA and Teen Titans
- he is for small government, being framed by the President of the United States for murder and being the owner of W.E., that can shape his opinion for small government
- W.E. does not produce projects for the military because he does not want his corporation to take part in killing
- he is angry at the court system for not giving criminals like the Joker the death penalty
- he is for rehabilitation for small-time criminals
- he is for the rights of all people, including women, minorities and gays

[hippie_hunter]

-Crime and Punishment is a bipartisan issue. The only issue on which they are split is the Death Penalty. Also in the Killing Joke Batman is quoted as saying to the Joker "I could rehabilitate you...you needn't be on the edge anymore. you needn't be alone" (ooohhhh slapped down there huh)


Batman offered to rehabilitate the Joker before that monster killed Robin. Also he realised that his fight with the Joker would someday either kill him by the Joker or Batman himself killing the Joker with is something he wanted to avoid. Also he did it by the book because Gordon requested it and to prove the Joker was wrong that you could go looney because of one bad day. He did not want to "help" him at all. It was plain and simple common sense

[Comic Book Boy]

First off you are an idiot who has never studied politics or you would know
-Democrats and Republicans both funnel money through the government for charity
-Crime and Punishment is a bipartisan issue. The only issue on which they are split is the Death Penalty. Also in the Killing Joke Batman is quoted as saying to the Joker "I could rehabilitate you...you needn't be on the edge anymore. you needn't be alone" (ooohhhh slapped down there huh)
-Small Government is the only issue that is Republican you listed
-Read above
-He may not steal from the rich (I don't know why you think a non politician would have the power to). However he gives massive amounts of his money to the very poor crime alley section of Gotham. Republicans tend not to do this at all since they believe in a pull yourself up by your own bootstraps theory.
-He very often negotiates with enemies, often using himself as a form of bait or trade.
-I'm not going to diginify that one
-Actually republicans do not believe citizen's should protect themselves. Vigilantism is the height of liberalism, The idea that you do not need an established power to provide a local defense
-70% of all people classified as intelligent according to IQ vote democrat and are very liberal...obviously you do not fall into that group
Good Ownege!:batman::up:

[Comic Book Boy]

My Dad was in Vietnam...

So was Kerry, (unlike Bush) and he had a right to say what he said. He knew cause he was there. He was right too.

[souloffire]

So was Kerry, (unlike Bush) and he had a right to say what he said. He knew cause he was there. He was right too.
Except for the fact that what he was saying was endangering the lives of POW's.

[ShadowBoxing]

Good Ownege!:batman::up:

thank you kind sir

[ShadowBoxing]

Except for the fact that what he was saying was endangering the lives of POW's.

This is obviously a tender subject for a lot of people and I think we should move away from it

[Comic Book Boy]

Except for the fact that what he was saying was endangering the lives of POW's.
So...He should have lied?

[Comic Book Boy]

This is obviously a tender subject for a lot of people and I think we should move away from it

Agreed.:batman:

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman offered to rehabilitate the Joker before that monster killed Robin. Also he realised that his fight with the Joker would someday either kill him by the Joker or Batman himself killing the Joker with is something he wanted to avoid. Also he did it by the book because Gordon requested it and to prove the Joker was wrong that you could go looney because of one bad day. He did not want to "help" him at all. It was plain and simple common sense

What you neglect to mention is this was after he paralyzed, raped and took nude photos of Barbara Gordon which he forced Gordon to watch, and he still offered to help Joker deal with his insanity. The fact is he does offer, and has offered rehabilitation to the likes of Harvey Dent, Joker, Mr. Freeze and others.

In your last post you said he only rehabilitated small time criminals...however you changed your tone upon reading my line from Killing Joke. So perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Also the Barbara Gordon incident was the first one that came to Batman's mind in Hush. Batman was not as shaken by Todd's death, and actually blames himself for it rather than the Joker. He believes Jason was inexperienced and he should have never taken him on as a ward.

...plus it was not really Joker who murder Todd, it was the fans who voted via phone when the issue came out.:rolleyes:

[Phantasm]

He's a Democrat!

[kame-sennin]

What you neglect to mention is this was after he paralyzed, raped and took nude photos of Barbara Gordon which he forced Gordon to watch, and he still offered to help Joker deal with his insanity. The fact is he does offer, and has offered rehabilitation to the likes of Harvey Dent, Joker, Mr. Freeze and others.

In your last post you said he only rehabilitated small time criminals...however you changed your tone upon reading my line from Killing Joke. So perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Also the Barbara Gordon incident was the first one that came to Batman's mind in Hush. Batman was not as shaken by Todd's death, and actually blames himself for it rather than the Joker. He believes Jason was inexperienced and he should have never taken him on as a ward.

...plus it was not really Joker who murder Todd, it was the fans who voted via phone when the issue came out.:rolleyes:

Well said, Batman can't blame a criminal for killing an inexperienced vigilante, it's more Batman's fault than anyone elses. Plus, what Joker did to Barabara was worse because he was trying to take away her humanity (as well as Gordon's). Even after that, Batman still offered Joker rehabilitaion (btw, Gordon only asked Batman to take him in by the book, he never mentioned anything about rehab).

[souloffire]

So...He should have lied?
According to some he did.

[ShadowBoxing]

According to some he did.

I am glad you have a passioned stance on John Kerry in Vietnam. However this subject seems highly upsetting to you and I assume other people on the boards. Vietnam was a horrible time in this nations history, claiming many lives. Comic Book Boy at my request has agreed to drop the subject, we need everyone else to do the same

This post is discussing the political standings on Batman, not John Kerry

[hippie_hunter]

What you neglect to mention is this was after he paralyzed, raped and took nude photos of Barbara Gordon which he forced Gordon to watch, and he still offered to help Joker deal with his insanity. The fact is he does offer, and has offered rehabilitation to the likes of Harvey Dent, Joker, Mr. Freeze and others.

In your last post you said he only rehabilitated small time criminals...however you changed your tone upon reading my line from Killing Joke. So perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Also the Barbara Gordon incident was the first one that came to Batman's mind in Hush. Batman was not as shaken by Todd's death, and actually blames himself for it rather than the Joker. He believes Jason was inexperienced and he should have never taken him on as a ward.

...plus it was not really Joker who murder Todd, it was the fans who voted via phone when the issue came out.:rolleyes:

In Hush, Batman moved on from blamming himself for Jason's death to actually blamming the Joker for it. Also in Hush Batman was thinking of all the horrible things the Joker has done not just Barbara's shooting.

Batman has offered Two-Face rehabilitation because of the still good Harvey Dent persona, plus he was also Batman's friend

Batman has offer Victor Fries rehabilitation because in reality the TAS-influenced Mr. Freeze is not really such an evil guy

But like I said the point of offering the Joker rehabilitation was because he knew that someday the Joker would either kill him or he would kill the Joker a fate he wanted to avoid. Now these days he won't even think about it

[ShadowBoxing]

In Hush, Batman moved on from blamming himself for Jason's death to actually blamming the Joker for it. Also in Hush Batman was thinking of all the horrible things the Joker has done not just Barbara's shooting.

Batman has offered Two-Face rehabilitation because of the still good Harvey Dent persona, plus he was also Batman's friend

Batman has offer Victor Fries rehabilitation because in reality the TAS-influenced Mr. Freeze is not really such an evil guy

But like I said the point of offering the Joker rehabilitation was because he knew that someday the Joker would either kill him or he would kill the Joker a fate he wanted to avoid. Now these days he won't even think about it

Why would he offer to rehabilitate him then. Why wouldn't he just use his connections with law enforcement to send Joker to a maximum security prison off in some remote area. Your point makes absolutely no sense.

beside Harvey and Victor were just two examples
Killer Croc, Clayface, Man Bat, Zsasz have all been offered rehabilitation. He even gives small time criminals the chance to shape up before he and them meet again.

I also notice you give the reasons he offers rehab to Harvey and Vic. But that doesn't negate the fact that he does offer it. You simply showed a possible personal motivation for it, you didn't show that he doesn't want to rehabilitate these criminals

Actually come to think of it, by showing he has personal reasons for helping the likes of Harvey, Joker, and Freeze you actually strengthen my argument that he wants to rehabilitate.

[ShadowBoxing]

Plus you point out in Hush that he thinks of all the things Joker has done, but Batman thinks of Barbara first and for two whole pages, Jason, Essen and others get one or two panels a piece

[hippie_hunter]

Why would he offer to rehabilitate him then. Why wouldn't he just use his connections with law enforcement to send Joker to a maximum security prison off in some remote area. Your point makes absolutely no sense.

They're is no point in sending the Joker off to a high security prison, in Murderer/Fugitive the Joker was in one and somehow still still escaped (well sometime after Murderer/Fugitive). He will always escape prison. Batman realised that someday one of them will kill he other, hence why he offered rehabilitation, to avoid that fate

[ElCuervoMuerto]

While Superman is sligthly more conservative and Batman sligthly more liberal, there both too smart for any of the mayor parties. There both independents.

[ShadowBoxing]

They're is no point in sending the Joker off to a high security prison, in Murderer/Fugitive the Joker was in one and somehow still still escaped (well sometime after Murderer/Fugitive). He will always escape prison. Batman realised that someday one of them will kill he other, hence why he offered rehabilitation, to avoid that fate

So If I get what your saying correctly, he offerd rehabilitation to criminals in order to keep them from killing (him or others). So in essense you just totally supported my theory that Batman wishes to rehab criminals

[The Overlord]

They're is no point in sending the Joker off to a high security prison, in Murderer/Fugitive the Joker was in one and somehow still still escaped (well sometime after Murderer/Fugitive). He will always escape prison. Batman realised that someday one of them will kill he other, hence why he offered rehabilitation, to avoid that fate

The prisons in comic books are always a joke, so why doesn't Batman just break Joker's legs?

[Cobblepot]

I like to think Batman doesn't vote at all.

[ShadowBoxing]

The prisons in comic books are always a joke, so why doesn't Batman just break Joker's legs?

In truth not giving Joker et all. the chair is just a plot devise used to keep them in the comic book

[kame-sennin]

In truth not giving Joker et all. the chair is just a plot devise used to keep them in the comic book

Batman should trick the Joker into commiting a crime in Texas, they can fry him even if he is insane. :eek:

[Comic Book Boy]

Batman should trick the Joker into commiting a crime in Texas, they can fry him even if he is insane. :eek:
Hehe

[War Lord]

Batman should trick the Joker into commiting a crime in Texas, they can fry him even if he is insane. :eek:

Since it usually takes years to actually execute somebody, Joker might chose to overeat himself to death if sentenced in Texas.

[ElCuervoMuerto]

Since it usually takes years to actually execute somebody, Joker might chose to overeat himself to death if sentenced in Texas.

Or he'd just escape like he always does...

[War Lord]

Or he'd just escape like he always does...

Not if went to the supermax prisons. Nobody has ever escaped from them.

[The Overlord]

Not if went to the supermax prisons. Nobody has ever escaped from them.

Not super max prisons in comic books, in comic books all prisons are very easy to escape from.

[War Lord]

Not super max prisons in comic books, in comic books all prisons are very easy to escape from.

That's true.

[souloffire]

Not super max prisons in comic books, in comic books all prisons are very easy to escape from.
Not only are prisons easy to escape from in comic books,but apparently death is also.

[JB1of1]

Batman is a good guy, he is honorable, he fights corruption and evil, and hes a hero. so, therefore he doesnt associate with politicians.

[Infinity9999x]

Batman is a good guy, he is honorable, he fights corruption and evil, and hes a hero. so, therefore he doesnt associate with politicians.

best post yet:up:

[Henry Hill]

He seems to have more Liberal views.

[Superbaty77]

cool

[CConn]

But i really hate when people claim these characters for there party. Like Superman alot people seem to think that Superman is a republican bacouse of the "Truth, Justice and the American Way" thing. But if any of the idoits bothered to read the comics of the 30's. They would have seen superman as the defender of the people who stop wars, fought child abuse and saved workers from unsafe working conditions....you're saying Republicans are pro-child abuse? :o

[SuperFerret]

I would say that, in the world of the comics, most superheroes are too busy worrying about the important things (such as saving lives) to worry about politics.

[CConn]

Except for Iron Man. That rat bastard. :up:

[Fantasyartist]

Personally I've never paid much attention to the perceived political views of superheroes, but I believe that Batman (much like Captain America) is pretty much a man of the centre( Iron Man is probably more conservative due to his defence industry back ground, although Stark has been out of it for years- significantly spurred by an unopular war like Vietnam)

Terry