Elder Scrolls: Oblivion

[THWIP*]

O.K., NOW THAT WE HAVE A TRAILER, WITH SOME EARLY GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE.....WHAT DO YOU THINK?
MY WIFE AND I ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS GAME, AS WE SPENT COUNTLESS WEEKENDS WANDERING AROUND IN 'MORROWIND', AND PLAYED THROUGH THE GAME WITH 2 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

FIRST, I REALLY HOPE THEY GET THIS ONE RIGHT......BUT I REALLY WANT IT TO RELEASE CLOSE TO LAUNCH, IF NOT BY X-MAS.
FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THEY REALLY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB WITH THE COMBAT.

THE GRAPHICS LOOK A LITTLE WASHED-OUT, AND THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKS 2-D IN SOME SHOTS, BUT I'M SURE THE FINISHED PRODUCT WILL BE STUNNING ENOUGH.

THE SCOPE OF THE GAME WILL BE SO LARGE (THOUGH NOT AS LARGE AS 'MORROWIND'), THAT THE GRAPHICAL SACRIFICES ARE ACCEPTABLE, IMO.

FROM THE TRAILER, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PLOT WILL BE MORE PREVALENT THIS TIME, RATHER THAN OBSCURE LIKE IN 'MORROWIND'.
WHAT'S GOT ME CONCERNED A BIT, IS THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THE NON-LINEAR ASPECTS THAT WERE SO GREAT ABOUT 'MORROWIND'. WE SPENT ABOUT 80 HOURS JUST "GOOFING OFF", COLLECTING STUFF AND REMODELING OUR VARIOUS DWELLINGS. THE FACT THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY ALTER THE APPEARANCE OF YOUR VIRTUAL HOME, BUY ADDING/REMOVING TORCHES, CANDLES, AND ASSORTED DECORATIONS AND TREASURES, REALLY GAVE THE GAME AN IDENTITY THAT SET IT APART FROM ALL OTHERS......ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS JUST AN ADDED BONUS, RATHER THAN AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE EXPERIENCE.

OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS SHAPING UP TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST HITS OF NEXT GEN, IF 'BETHESDA' DOESN'T RUSH IT OUT, WITH A TON OF BUGS......OR DELAY IT INTO IRRELEVANCE. IF THEY DO IT RIGHT, THIS COULD BE THE BEST ACTION/RPG EXPERIENCE EVER. :cool:

[Capt Throbberson]

Morrowind was horrible, and this doesn't look much diffrent, just prettier

[WhatsHisFace]

Morrowind was awesome, and this looks much different. Much improved combat, better stealth, better/longer quests and a more focused story.

[THWIP*]

Morrowind was horrible, and this doesn't look much diffrent, just prettier


NO...YOU SUCK! :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

Don't pay that N'wah any attention...

[THWIP*]

Don't pay that N'wah any attention...


:D:up:

THAT, AND "TAFF/TAFFER" ARE MY FAVORITE VIDEO GAME INSULTS.

[Philip Masse]

I very rarely get called an "N'wah" on Morrowind, it's usually just scum or swit :(

Anyways, yeah, Oblivion looks great. Great graphics, great gameplay, more variety, a better editor PC-side, it's everything I wanted out of it.

[THWIP*]

I very rarely get called an "N'wah" on Morrowind, it's usually just scum or swit :(

Anyways, yeah, Oblivion looks great. Great graphics, great gameplay, more variety, a better editor PC-side, it's everything I wanted out of it.


AWWWW......WELL, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE AN N'WAH IN MY BOOK. :D:up: :p

[WhatsHisFace]

I like when the women say "N'wah". They deliver it with such cutting sincerity. :D

[The Last Meatbag]

Morrowind was great the only thing that made it a little poor was its graphics and the sound besides that I thought it was great, thank you for making this thread THWIP* I am looking forward to the next Morrowind I think it looks great

[THWIP*]

I like when the women say "N'wah". They deliver it with such cutting sincerity. :D


YEAH......WHEN THEY SAY IT, IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN "ASS-HOLE" OR "JACKASS". :o

[Mr. Credible]

I tried to like morrowind, I really did. I just couldn't get into it. Not my kind of RPG, I guess.

[THWIP*]

THERE IS NO "TRY", ONLY "DO". :mad:

[Oerwinde]

The graphics are impressive, but I just couldn't get into Morrowind and if Oblivion is anything like that, I won't like it. It had too much to do, with no motivation to do it. It was like a really advanced MMORPG, and you were the only one playing.

[THWIP*]

The graphics are impressive, but I just couldn't get into Morrowind and if Oblivion is anything like that, I won't like it. It had too much to do, with no motivation to do it. It was like a really advanced MMORPG, and you were the only one playing.


THAT'S WHERE THIS GAME WILL BE DIFFERENT. THEY REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO THE THINGS FANS HAD GRIPES ABOUT, AND SET OUT TO CHANGE THEM. THE FIGHTING LOOKS GREAT, THE A.I. IS SAID TO BE AMAZING, AND STORY IS TO BE MORE "FOCUSED", AS 'WHATSHISFACE" PUT IT.
MOST PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE 'MORROWIND', NEVER REALLY GAVE IT A FAIR SHOT. IF YOU DIDN'T DEVELOP YOUR CHARACTER......WHICH COULD TAKE 20-30 HOURS OF GAMEPLAY......YOU LIKELY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN A TRUE SENSE OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE. THE COMBAT GOT MUCH BETTER WITH IMPROVED STATS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS STILL VERY SIMPLISTIC. THE OPEN -ENDED GAMEPLAY WAS IMPLEMENTED WELL, CONSIDERING HOW MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES THEY HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THE BEST PART, IMO, WAS THE LACK OF LINEAR GAMEPLAY.......WHICH IS VERY RARE IN VIDEO GAMES. LIKE I SAID, MY WIFE ENJOYED IT IMMENSELY, AND SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS JUST EXPLORING AND DOING "INTERIOR DECORATING". SHE EVEN CREATED HER OWN CHARACTER, AND PLAYED THE GAME THROUGH BY HERSELF. HELL, ANY GAME THAT SINGLE-HANDEDLY GETS YOUR SPOUSE INTERESTED IN GAMING, GETS AN "A+++" IN MY BOOK. :up:
I'D RECOMMEND GIVING 'OBLIVION' A TRY, IF YOU LIKE THE FANTASY GENRE.
I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE IT WILL BE A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT OVER 'MORROWIND'.

[Cornelius Jones]

the decelopers are making it so its more mainstream friendly

[Capt Throbberson]

the decelopers are making it so its more mainstream friendly
Guess it means it's gonna be IW'd

[Cornelius Jones]

Guess it means it's gonna be IW'd

you gussed wrong

[WhatsHisFace]

Invisible War sacrificed level design for graphics. Unfortunately for the Deus Ex franchise, it needs great level design to let you appreciate the gameplay.

Since Morrowind's formula just needs a huge, fully built world means that the improved graphics, gameplay, story, etc... will just serve to make it even better. This game will be awesome.

[Hudson]

THE SCOPE OF THE GAME WILL BE SO LARGE (THOUGH NOT AS LARGE AS 'MORROWIND'), THAT THE GRAPHICAL SACRIFICES ARE ACCEPTABLE, IMO.


well the landmass is bigger, I think overall the scope is huge compared to morrowind believe you me.
I mean NPCs Have daily schedules.

[WhatsHisFace]

The *traversable* landmass is bigger. There's no steep ass mountains or huge areas of water, everything is walkable. Only about 1/3 of Morrowind's map was actually able to be explored without flying or teleporting.

[THWIP*]

The *traversable* landmass is bigger. There's no steep ass mountains or huge areas of water, everything is walkable. Only about 1/3 of Morrowind's map was actually able to be explored without flying or teleporting.


NO WATER OR MOUNTAINOUS AREAS TO EXPLORE? :confused: DAMN....THAT SUCKS. :(

[WhatsHisFace]

There's mountains and there's water, but the mountains aren't so steep you can't go up them now, and the water is plentiful, but it's not like if you want to go across a map you have to swim for five years.

[THWIP*]

There's mountains and there's water, but the mountains aren't so steep you can't go up them now, and the water is plentiful, but it's not like if you want to go across a map you have to swim for five years.


OH......WELL, AS LONG AS THE MOUNTAINS AND WATER ARE EXPLORABLE, I GUESS THAT'S FINE. :up: STILL, I ACTUALLY ENJOYED BEEFING UP MY STATS AND SEEING JUST HOW FAR I COULD GO, AT THE SAME TIME; I WAS SHOCKED AT JUST HOW FAR AND DEEP THE WATER WENT. :confused: ONCE I GOT HIGH ENOUGH AGILITY AND STAMINA, THERE "AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH" TO KEEP 'THWIP*' AWAY. :D :o

BTW.....DID YOU EVER FIND THE OLD GUY UP ON TOP OF THE ISLAND UP IN THE NORTHERN SEAS OF VARDENFELL? HE WAS CRAZIER THAN A SHlTHOUSE RAT. :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

The guy who killed people who came to his house?

[THWIP*]

The guy who killed people who came to his house?

NO, HE WAS JUST SITTING ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN ON THIS REMOTE ISLAND.....I FORGET WHAT RACE HE WAS....AND HE GAVE YOU A MAP OR SOMETHING THAT WAS INTEGRAL TO ONE OF THE QUESTS. I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER, SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG, BUT I REMEMBER THINKING "WTF.....SOMEBODY WAS JACKED UP ON CRACK, OR ON ZERO SLEEP WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THIS SHlT :confused:"

[WhatsHisFace]

There was a lot of wierd crap in that game if you looked hard enough. The Orc who thinks he's a Kajit, the talking Mudcrab, the stand-up-comic Demon in Caldera...

[Philip Masse]

Are you talking about the one you steal the Fork from THWIP*? Like, you had to steal a magic fork from this crazy old hermit and kill a giant netch with it to get one of the daedric shrine items I think. If you are, yeah, that guy was pretty creepy :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Remember that playwright in Vivec? That guy was a flaming horn-dog.

[THWIP*]

Are you talking about the one you steal the Fork from THWIP*? Like, you had to steal a magic fork from this crazy old hermit and kill a giant netch with it to get one of the daedric shrine items I think. If you are, yeah, that guy was pretty creepy :o


HELL, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST REMEMBER I HAD TO FIND HIM ON ONE OF THE NORTHERMOST ISLANDS. IT SUCKS TO GET OLDER AND NOT BE ABLE TO REMEMBER MUCH PAST LAST MONTH. :o

[Philip Masse]

Did you run him off for the enchanter or something? I ended up killing both of those guys for being annoying and giving me ****ty rewards :down

[THWIP*]

Remember that playwright in Vivec? That guy was a flaming horn-dog.


OH, THE QUEER BASTARD THAT CALLED YOU SWEET CHEEKS OR SOME SHlT LIKE THAT? :confused: ONCE I FINISHED MY MAIN QUEST, I WENT BACK AND SLAUGHTERED THAT ***, AND HIS GUARDS, AND LOOTED THE PLACE. :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

I would have killed him for that one book he wrote about "the polishing of the spear" except that his disposition toward me was 100%.

[Philip Masse]

I would have killed him for that one book he wrote about "the polishing of the spear" except that his disposition toward me was 100%.
"oh my, it's so big!"
I loved that book :D

[THWIP*]

WE MUST'VE READ EVERY BOOK IN THAT GAME. THEY PUT A TON OF TIME INTO SOME OF THE MOST TEDIOUS, OVERLOOKED THINGS. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

They put plently of time into making all those glitches. :D

[THWIP*]

VERY COOL VIDEO INTERVIEW.... (http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1985/The-Elder-Scrolls-IV-Oblivion-Video-Interview/) :up:

[Galactus]

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[WhatsHisFace]

Don't hump month old threads!

[WhatsHisFace]

I'm gonna kill you in your sleep for that Shadowrun prank. Seeing how awesome Oblivion is...

[WhatsHisFace]

You ruined my life. I'll probably have to sit through another Halo before Bungie actually makes use of their talents.

[WhatsHisFace]

Since Red Faction let you do it I figured the Xbox would have a game like that eventually. You totally had me when you were saying all those story parts about Cortana's betrayal. :mad:

You're getting the microwave now. :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

I think you were too, which was why I believed your lies.

I can't believe they cut the E32k3 level from the final game. That would have been the best level in the game, those stupid ****s.

[WhatsHisFace]

The final result was just an "S" shaped road with the song playing, and then the AT-AT comes by and forces you into the building or something. :(

Halo 2 needed more scripted events. Halo 1 was loaded with them. Halo 2 just had a bazillion worthless movies.

[WhatsHisFace]

Halo 3 needs to make the amount of units in Kameo look like a two-player fighting game. Halo 1 gave a good feeling of being in a war, or at least in all the important battles of the war. Halo 2 felt like Rainbow Six.

Halo 3 needs to take place on a good Halo this time, not a wastelend like in Halo 2. This means bringing back the interesting Forerunner architectures like those giant gun things that shot those blue things into the sky to the other side of Halo. More open environments and less back-alleys. The same bloodsplats as Halo 1 that were mysteriously absent from Halo 2. Bring back the Assault Rifle Bungie, and CENTER THE *********************** CROSSHAIR THIS TIME (move it up an inch)!!!!!

Make MC look cool again. In Halo 1 he was huge and imposing. In Halo 2 he looked brittle.

And howabout a flashlight that stays on for more than two seconds?

Also, make Elites grunt again. Wort wort wort is better than most of the crap we had to listen to. And where did Covenant dropships go? Replaced with the super annoying Phantoms?

And what about the human Lifepods? They were replaced with the stupid "drop-boxes" that land you on delta-Halo in an unspectacular and uneventful fashion.

I could go on and on, but Halo 3 needs to be more like Halo 1 than Halo 2. Namely, for the large environments.

[The Trickster]

Halo needs to stop sucking, thats right

[The Last Meatbag]

WORT WORT WORT










I loved hearing that

[WhatsHisFace]

And Black Sarge should have twenty clones again. He was better on the battlefield alongside you. In Halo 2, he was just in movies doing things that Seargents don't usually do (pilating a Scarab, making peace treaties with enemys). But in Halo 1, he'd cover your ass, die for you, and show up in the next level.

[Galactus]

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[Zenien]

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IT BURNS!!!! IT BURNZES!!!

[WhatsHisFace]

Beautiful.

[Zenien]

They seriously need to cut down on the bloom an saturation, hopefully it's just the shots.

[WhatsHisFace]

Here we go again with the damn colors.

You know what Zenien, just don't buy the damn game. :up:

[Zenien]

It's not my fault you're color blind, unlike thee I'm not such a graphics whore that I won't buy an potentially great game just because there's too much bloom.

[WhatsHisFace]

No Zenien, the grass is one shade too bright. Burn it in hell and get the sandy Heavenly Sword instead.

[THWIP*]

IT'S CALLED AN ARTISTIC PREFERENCE; NOT EVERY GAME HAS TO LOOK AS BLAND AS 'SILENT HILL' AND 'KILLZONE'. :o

[Zenien]

There's just so much bloom in that forest shot that it almost hurts my eyes, why is that so hard to understand? :(

[WhatsHisFace]

There's just so much bloom in that forest shot that it almost hurts my eyes, why is that so hard to understand? :(
Have you ever been outside on a sunny day, Zenien? Well, you live in Canada where the sun's only out for two hours a day, and it looks like an American sunset at it's highest point, so maybe your frame of reference is handicapped.

But in America, when the sun is up, plants shimmer, there's a hazy look in the distance much like bloom, and the sun puts so much light on everything it can look even brighter.

[THWIP*]

THERE'S ONLY ONE EXPLANATION.........'ZENIEN' IS ACTUALLY A TROLL, AND SHE LIVES IN A CAVE. :o

[Zenien]

Only a fanboy like you would even try to argue that this shot is a realistic depiction of real life. :rolleyes:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_291/vortal_pic_145881.jpg

I never said the game isn't going to look good, in fact it does look very good, but you hyper defensive stance on anything that is percieved as a critisism against Oblivion is funny when you have people on the main oblivion message baords saying the same thing as me. :rolleyes:

[THWIP*]

Only a fanboy like you would even try to argue that this shot is a realistic depiction of real life. :rolleyes:



And if you use an LCD screen you'd know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:


THAT MUST'VE BEEN DIRECTED AT 'WHF'. I'VE SEEN ABOUT 6 MINUTES OF GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE FROM A RECENT 'OXM' DEMO DISC......ON MY 55" LCD T.V. ;)

[Zenien]

I mean my computer monitor, I need to get a regular one again because this thing sucks and makes everything bright n stuff. How does it look in motion, I've only seen screenshots. I'm betting it looks pretty yes?

[THWIP*]

I mean my computer monitor, I need to get a regular one again because this thing sucks and makes everything bright n stuff. How does it look in motion, I've only seen screenshots. I'm betting it looks pretty yes?


LET'S JUST SAY IT WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE LAUNCH TITLES FOR THE '360'. THEY AREN'T GOING FOR ULTRA-REALISM, JUST AS THEY HAVEN'T ON ANYTHING ELSE THEY'VE EVER DONE. THE SCALE, DETAIL, GAMEPLAY.....IT'S ALL AMAZING, EVEN IF IT'S GOT THE LOOK OF AN OIL PAINTING. ;) I THINK IT LOOKS ALOT LIKE 'FABLE'.....ONLY MUCH BETTER; THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOOD THING TO YOU.

[Zenien]

Well I'll probably have to see it in motion for myself. I don't doubt anything you're saying, but the oil painting look might be distracting to me.

Aren't they making the world smaller this time around?

[THWIP*]

Well I'll probably have to see it in motion for myself. I don't doubt anything you're saying, but the oil painting look might be distracting to me.

Aren't they making the world smaller this time around?


THE WORLD WILL BE ONLY SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN 'TES3:MORROWIND'......WHICH IS STILL PRETTY FREAKIN' HUGE. IF YOU DIDN'T "FINISH" 'MORROWIND', YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE JUST HOW BIG THE GAME WAS. THIS TIME AROUND, THEY'RE GIVING YOU MORE TO DO, THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS THE STORY AND CHARACTERS, SO THERE'S NOT THE NEED FOR 500 DUNGEONS TO PLUNDER, WITH NO PARTICULAR PURPOSE. OVERALL, I THINK THIS GAME WILL BE MORE LIKE WHAT PETER MOLYNEUX WANTED TO DO WITH 'FABLE', BUT COULDN'T. THE COMBAT LOOKS VERY "ORGANIC"; EVERY MOVEMENT HAS AN EFFECT, ON YOU OR YOUR OPPONENT. IF YOU SWING AND MISS, YOU'LL HAVE TO RECOVER QUICKLY TO AVOID GETTING HIT; THE BLOCKING IS ACTIVE, SO YOU CAN EVEN KNOCK YOUR OPPONENT BACK WITH YOUR SHIELD, AND SET THEM UP FOR A KILL-HIT. :up:

[Smiling Jack]

The "real world" isnt made of glass guys, you're all insane. That bloom needs to be turned way, way down.

[THWIP*]

The "real world" isnt made of glass guys, you're all insane. That bloom needs to be turned way, way down.


I THINK YOU ARE THE ONE WHO'S "INSANE"; NOBODY EVER SAID IT LOOKED LIKE THE "REAL WORLD". :confused: :o

DAMN, 'DRT'.....THE NAMES ARE GETTING PRETTY LAME. :down

[Smiling Jack]

http://gamebanshee.com/screenshots/vampirebloodlines/conceptart/screenshot61.jpg
What a sexy guy I am.

Nobody ever said it looked like the "Real world"
Have you ever been outside on a sunny day, Zenien? Well, you live in Canada where the sun's only out for two hours a day, and it looks like an American sunset at it's highest point, so maybe your frame of reference is handicapped.

But in America, when the sun is up, plants shimmer, there's a hazy look in the distance much like bloom, and the sun puts so much light on everything it can look even brighter.

I heard it's possible to say "real world" without actually using the words. Awesome.

[THWIP*]

http://gamebanshee.com/screenshots/vampirebloodlines/conceptart/screenshot61.jpg
What a sexy guy I am.




I heard it's possible to say "real world" without actually using the words. Awesome.



UM....NO.



YOU HEARD WRONG. :up:

[Smiling Jack]

Damn. I should have known "outside on a sunny day" was referring to going outside on a sunny day in another video game or on a cartoon. Stupid english language :(

[THWIP*]

Damn. I should have known "outside on a sunny day" was referring to going outside on a sunny day in another video game or on a cartoon. Stupid english language :(


FIRST OF ALL, YOU SAID "GUYS", WHEN YOU SHOULD'VE SAID "WHATHISFACE". SECOND, HE WAS REFERRING TO THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE LIGHT ON A SUNNY DAY. HE DIDN'T SAY "ZENIEN, THIS IS REAL-WORLD LIGHTING. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
STUPID NON-ENGLISH READING TENNESSEEAN.

[Smiling Jack]

Tennessean, illiterate Kentuckian. And I didnt read many (no) posts after that, since you were in the thread, I just assumed you went along with it. An assumption that would have been right 99% of the time, where as the assumption that "nobody said anything about it looking like the real world" was completely wrong. And where do you think that sunny day is taking place thwip? Halo? The latest anime? He was clearly referring to "the real world", and this argument over semantics is just foolish. His meaning was crystal clear to anyone not harboring the misconception that every anticipated game on their console of choice cant possibly have any flaws, visually or conceptually. So long as we're *****ing about the meanings of words, "you guys" might as well be referring to whatshisface and zenien (yes, I know, a girl, you "guys" isnt literal in this sense) since she decided to back down and tell us all how her monitor makes everything appear brighter than usual.

[THWIP*]

OH YEAH.....I FORGOT THEY DECIDED DROPPING THE ONE "E" MADE IT LOOK BETTER. :rolleyes:

[Smiling Jack]

They decided it would help weed out those who would attack the literacy skills of others while not keeping their own up to par, yes.

[WhatsHisFace]

Only a fanboy like you would even try to argue that this shot is a realistic depiction of real life. :rolleyes:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_291/vortal_pic_145881.jpg

I never said the game isn't going to look good, in fact it does look very good, but you hyper defensive stance on anything that is percieved as a critisism against Oblivion is funny when you have people on the main oblivion message baords saying the same thing as me. :rolleyes:
It's just that the actual direct shot looks like this.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/129/927345_20050510_screen003.jpg

[Smiling Jack]

Different time of day likely, I dont entirely buy that it's the same shot. The spots on the ground where the sun is directly hitting it still looks like golden energy or something more than dirt. Much less blinding though :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

Different time of day likely, I dont entirely buy that it's the same shot. The spots on the ground where the sun is directly hitting it still looks like golden energy or something more than dirt. Much less blinding though :up:
No, it's actually the same shot. You'd need to have a nuclear bomb going off in the game to have the world look like that.

[Zenien]

Much better.

[WhatsHisFace]

Much better.
You're supposed to say "The gray tone on his armor is too dark now."

[THWIP*]

SEE, 'DRT'.....ALL THAT, FOR NOTHING. BUT, NEXT TIME.....READ THE WHOLE FREAKIN' THREAD. :o

[Smiling Jack]

I wonder if I can actually catch people on fire with destruction spells now, rather than just shooting magic fire at them that does nothing? I really want this game to have something like that, with "on fire" voices like those found in Invisible War. Those were hilarious. :o

[Zenien]

No, see if WHF had just told us that the shot was altered we would have avvoided the whole thing.

[WhatsHisFace]

I wonder if I can actually catch people on fire with destruction spells now, rather than just shooting magic fire at them that does nothing? I really want this game to have something like that, with "on fire" voices like those found in Invisible War. Those were hilarious. :o
According to Peter Molyneux, everything in the path of your fire line catches fire, and depending on their properties (flammable, explosive) they react in a realistic manner. If it hasn't rained within the gameworld for a few days, you could burn the entirety of Cryodil down with just ten Majicka.

[Smiling Jack]

SEE, 'DRT'.....ALL THAT, FOR NOTHING. BUT, NEXT TIME.....READ THE WHOLE FREAKIN' THREAD. :o
Not only was a different photo present at the time, but I spent more of my time arguing about the meaning of his words than the picture in the first place. Reading the entire thread (which I did) wouldn't have changed a thing. The very fact that he felt the need to post that other shot, and the contrast between those two shots, is testament to the fact that the original shot had a blinding amount of light bloom regardless.

[WhatsHisFace]

No, see if WHF had just told us that the shot was altered we would have avvoided the whole thing.
The one you called WHF was put in cryostorage and is being dissected.

[Smiling Jack]

According to Peter Molyneux, everything in the path of your fire line catches fire, and depending on their properties (flammable, explosive) they react in a realistic manner. If it hasn't rained within the gameworld for a few days, you could burn the entirety of Cryodil down with just ten Majicka.
You mean that Todd Howard guy? Molyneux isnt involved with this game is he? :confused::(

[WhatsHisFace]

Not only was a different photo present at the time, but I spent more of my time arguing about the meaning of his words than the picture in the first place. Reading the entire thread (which I did) wouldn't have changed a thing. The very fact that he felt the need to post that other shot, and the contrast between those two shots, is testament to the fact that the original shot had a blinding amount of light bloom regardless.
It wasn't direct feed. Bloom lighting doesn't turn people blue and make flora neon. :mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

You mean that Todd Howard guy? Molyneux isnt involved with this game is he? :confused::(
Therein lies the (maybe lame) joke. :o Molyneux wasn't even the project lead of Fable and he just started making up features in interviews.

But that's just my dry sense of humor breaking through.

[Zenien]

That's actually kind of funny... :o

[Smiling Jack]

I missed it :(

[WhatsHisFace]

Molyneux talking about Oblivion has about as much weight on the game as when he talked about Fable.

But to fully appreciate the joke you'd have to know years worth of Fable hype, and I don't think you knew about that game until five months before it's release.

[Smiling Jack]

I knew about that game back when it was project ego :confused:
And I understood it after explanation number 1, the "I missed it :(" was referring to the fact that I didnt catch the joke on the first try :down

[WhatsHisFace]

Then talk in complete sentences next time. :down

[Smiling Jack]

Complete sentences arent how we do things in the south :down:mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

Hain't I learned you nuh-thin' son?

[THWIP*]

It wasn't direct feed. Bloom lighting doesn't turn people blue and make flora neon. :mad:


EXACTLY.....IT WAS FROM A CAM, WHICH ALWAYS HAS A BLUISH HUE, AND LOOKS BLURRY.

[Smiling Jack]

Hain't I learned you nuh-thin' son?
I have relatives that say they will "learn ya" stuff :(

[THWIP*]

I have relatives that say they will "learn ya" stuff :(


DID YOUR MOM EVER TRY TO "LEARN YA" HOW TO GIVE A GIRL ORAL? :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

I have relatives that say they will "learn ya" stuff :(
Haha, sometimes my dad says it in a joking way, but you should disconnect from the relatives who sincerely say it immediately. :o

But back to proving Oblivion's graphics...

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/129/924363_20050510_screen002.jpg

I forgot how short Morrowind's draw distance was, so seeing this with the (completely accessable) mountain in the background is really great.

One time in Morrowind I had an arrow knocked, so I just fired it off into the fog and in the distance I heard "You N'wah!" :D

[Smiling Jack]

I have superior skills in that department to anyone here, even Zenien, just so we're clear :o

And no, my Mom didnt "learn" me much of anything besides getting yelled at. Thanks a lot Thwip :(

[Smiling Jack]

Ahaha, I used to create fireball spells with like a 50ft radius and just launch them into town just so I could hear the chorus of N'wah's and Swit's :D

[WhatsHisFace]

Hahahaha, I wish I knew how to make spells. The only way I can get that kind of a reaction is by stealing something in a tavern or by picking a lock in town.

I need to get that "You N'wah" onto recording or something, and make a ytmnd out of it. :D

[Smiling Jack]

You just go to a spellmaker, you seriously dont know how to make spells? It's just like buying something! :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

I knew I should have joined the Mages guild... but Caius Cassades was in the fighters guild an I just kept going with that.

[Smiling Jack]

Did you ever even buy spells? Most of those guys make them for you. How did you ever complete that game without spells!?

[WhatsHisFace]

The only spells I ever used were Ekashi's lock splitter, scroll of flight and that thing that heals the Kwama queen. :o

[Smiling Jack]

I used all those little spellmakers, and finally started using the construction kit to make my own stuff after I got done editing the hell out of my vampires. I had a spell that would summon Vivic at one point :o

[WhatsHisFace]

I started a badguy file where I would have chosen to join the Dagoths and I would have just killed Vivec and the Duke, but I just wound up playing my regular one again and again.

[Smiling Jack]

Dagoths had huge heads :(

[THWIP*]

And no, my Mom didnt "learn" me much of anything besides getting yelled at. Thanks a lot Thwip :(


WELL, CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY. YOU'D HAVE BEEN SCARRED FOR LIFE IF THE FIRST HONEYPOT YOU TASTED WAS YOUR MOM'S. :o

[Smiling Jack]

We went to a water park and I saw her pubic hair sticking out from her bottom.

[WhatsHisFace]

**** ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smiling Jack]

This thread is back on track :o

[WhatsHisFace]

This is the Oblivion thread, not the Halo 4 thread.

[Smiling Jack]

I'm sure my mothers pubic hairs have something to do with Oblivion :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Just stop talking about the freaking hair!@

[Smiling Jack]

Anyone remember that Daedra quest where one of the gods threatens to rape you? :o

[WhatsHisFace]

I never did the Daedra quests. Was that in the GOTY Edition, or can you just go up to the statue and talk to it?

[Smiling Jack]

It was in the original, the statues were all scattered across the island, one of which is actually underwater (you get Goldbrand from it, and later Eltonbran if you exploit the bug. In the top five best weapons IMO, including anything you make yourself). There was one you found up top, near all the fractured islands, that threatened to rape you if you didnt do his bidding :o

[WhatsHisFace]

Is that the one by DagonFel? I never knew that one could do anything. :(

Time to head back north...

[Smiling Jack]

No, it is closer to Dagon Fel than anything else (maybe Solstheim if you're on GOTY edition/PC), but it's on one of the larger islands. The largest island besides the Dagon Fel one, it's kind of long, it's there somewhere. The one you travel to in order to retrieve the bitter cup for the thieves guild also houses a daedric ruin, and I'm pretty sure that this is where you hear it. What you actually get for the quest I dont know. Probably a ring.

[WhatsHisFace]

I think I know exactly what you're talking about. There's a lot of Orcs gathered aroud it, right?

[Smiling Jack]

Wrong one, thats there for a Tribunal Temple quest.

[WhatsHisFace]

Dammit.

Is it on the map?

[Smiling Jack]

The ruin? Yeah. Little island, left of the main one that Dagon Fel is on, longer than most, contains the little tower you retreive the Bitter Cup from.

[WhatsHisFace]

Okay, I'm going to play Morrowind for a while. And I reeeaaally need to eat dinner.

[Zenien]

Ugh Morrowind is like the most fun boring game ever... But I never got very far, so I'll just wait for Oblivion (on the PC. Mwahahahaha)

[WhatsHisFace]

Ugh Morrowind is like the most fun boring game ever... But I never got very far, so I'll just wait for Oblivion (on the PC. Mwahahahaha)
What are your PC's specs?

[Smiling Jack]

If it has the same stuff as Morrowind, it wont really matter. On PC, setting the draw distance to around xbox levels cut the performance requirements in half, I'd be surprised if any serious PC gamer couldnt run Oblivion.

[Zenien]

Processor: Geforce 2 MX/MX 400
Bus: AGP 4X
Memory: 64megs

CPU: Pentium 4 2 gigahertz

1 gig rambus ram

[Smiling Jack]

Get a new video card and you'll be fine, you'll probably want something with at least 256mb. You dont play HL2 on the 64mb do you, or is that a different machine? :confused:

[Zenien]

The memory on the graphics card is 64 megs according to the specs readout. I have 1 gig of high quality ram. :confused:

I can play HLF2 on minimum resolution with everything maxed out with the exception of shadowing and water detail.

[Smiling Jack]

What's minimum resolution, 800x600 or something smaller? I doubt Oblivion will offer anything less than 800x600, though I guess you could force it into a lower resolution if you had the time.

[Zenien]

800x600, I don't really mind to be honest, one step over and I start to lose frames per second.

[Smiling Jack]

I run HL2 on 1280x1024 with plenty of effects and high quality textures/models, but if I go over 1024x768 on any other games they dip below 10 frames per second :(

[Zenien]

Oh yeah, have I mentioned that Half Life 2 kind of sucks?

[Smiling Jack]

You know, after I got over the initial excitement of playing it, yeah, it kind of does suck :(

[Zenien]

The only good thing about buying Half Life 2 is Counter Strike imo. The rest feels like such a waste when it's all said and done.

[WhatsHisFace]

Zenien, you have the worst computer ever. If it plays Oblivion, it will chug at minimum settings. You may just have to settle for Diablo 2 instead, for your RPG needs.

[THWIP*]

Zenien, you have the worst computer ever. If it plays Oblivion, it will chug at minimum settings. You may just have to settle for Diablo 2 instead, for your RPG needs.


I BEG YOUR PARDON..... BUT MY COMPUTER CURRENTLY HOLDS THAT TITLE. :o

[THWIP*]

You know, after I got over the initial excitement of playing it, yeah, it kind of does suck :(


WOW....YOU'RE JUST LIKE 'LIQUID' AND HIS WANING LOVE AFFAIR WITH 'MGS3'. :o I THOUGHT HE'D NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT THAT STUPID GAME. :down

[Zenien]

It's not waning at all, there's just not much to talk about in reguards to MGS3 anymore.

Bah, my computer runs Half Life 2 at max detail (but shadows can only go to intermediate and water at simple), how is it so horrible? It runs SWG with volumetric shadows on just fine unless I'm in a city. =(

[Smiling Jack]

It's far from the "worst ever", and I didnt have a love affair with the game in the first place. Save that comment for when I get tired of bloodlines.

[WhatsHisFace]

It's not waning at all, there's just not much to talk about in reguards to MGS3 anymore.

Bah, my computer runs Half Life 2 at max detail (but shadows can only go to intermediate and water at simple), how is it so horrible? It runs SWG with volumetric shadows on just fine unless I'm in a city. =(
At 600x800. I saw your Graphics card and RAM and almost choked. :(

[Zenien]

Am I still dead to you? :(

[The Last Meatbag]

Who are you?

[Zenien]

I've been here longer then you, who are you?

[WhatsHisFace]

In an interview with the producer, he says now that it's bigger than Morrowind. I'm hearing a lot of different things, but oh well.

[Hudson]

In an interview with the producer, he says now that it's bigger than Morrowind. I'm hearing a lot of different things, but oh well.
smaller mainquest, bigger landmass.

and it's all to suit the console gamers :rolleyes: :down






or so some people say :confused:

[THWIP*]

smaller mainquest, bigger landmass.

and it's all to suit the console gamers :rolleyes: :down






or so some people say :confused:


I DON'T THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. FROM THE INTERVIEWS I'VE WATCHED, ONLINE AND ON A COUPLE 'OXM' DEMO DISCS, THEY SEEM TO BE GOING FOR A MUCH MORE INTERACTIVE AND REALISTIC FEEL THIS TIME. THE A.I., ENVIRONMENTS, QUESTS, COMBAT.....IT WILL ALL FEEL MORE
ORGANIC IN 'OBLIVION'. WITH MORROWIND, YOU HAD SO MUCH AREA TO TRAVERSE, AND NO REAL TIME LIMITATIONS, THAT IT WAS EASY TO LOSE "INTEREST" IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE MUCH PROGRESS ON THE STORY, OR WITH YOUR CHARACTER'S STATS. THIS WILL BE MORE OF A LIVING, BREATHING WORLD, WHERE IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO JUST WANDER AROUND AND TALK TO PEOPLE, EXPLORE, AND ENJOY THE SCENERY. BUT, TO ACHIEVE THIS IN A GAME WITH SUCH A GRAND SCOPE, THEY HAD TO TRIM IT DOWN A BIT. THE "RADIANT A.I." ALONE IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO KEEP THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY BUSY. :up:

[Hudson]

I DON'T THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. FROM THE INTERVIEWS I'VE WATCHED, ONLINE AND ON A COUPLE 'OXM' DEMO DISCS, THEY SEEM TO BE GOING FOR A MUCH MORE INTERACTIVE AND REALISTIC FEEL THIS TIME. THE A.I., ENVIRONMENTS, QUESTS, COMBAT.....IT WILL ALL FEEL MORE
ORGANIC IN 'OBLIVION'. WITH MORROWIND, YOU HAD SO MUCH AREA TO TRAVERSE, AND NO REAL TIME LIMITATIONS, THAT IT WAS EASY TO LOSE "INTEREST" IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE MUCH PROGRESS ON THE STORY, OR WITH YOUR CHARACTER'S STATS. THIS WILL BE MORE OF A LIVING, BREATHING WORLD, WHERE IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO JUST WANDER AROUND AND TALK TO PEOPLE, EXPLORE, AND ENJOY THE SCENERY. BUT, TO ACHIEVE THIS IN A GAME WITH SUCH A GRAND SCOPE, THEY HAD TO TRIM IT DOWN A BIT. THE "RADIANT A.I." ALONE IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO KEEP THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY BUSY. :up:

HA! that's true I was just trying to prod an angry reaction out of someone.
honestly, Oblivion is looking great.. Quality over quantity.

[THWIP*]

HA! that's true I was just trying to prod an angry reaction out of someone.
honestly, Oblivion is looking great.. Quality over quantity.

WELL, LUCKY FOR YOU, I'M IN A PRETTY GOOD MOOD, OR I'D HAVE GIVEN YOU A GOOD ASS-CHEWIN'. ;) I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME INSIGHT INTO THE CONFUSION OVER THE SCOPE OF THE GAME. :o

[Hudson]

WELL, LUCKY FOR YOU, I'M IN A PRETTY GOOD MOOD, OR I'D HAVE GIVEN YOU A GOOD ASS-CHEWIN'. ;) I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME INSIGHT INTO THE CONFUSION OVER THE SCOPE OF THE GAME. :o
Aw man I love tha hate ;)
hehe I'm getting the PC version though. for one reason and one reason only, there is 100% mods on it, and I prefer the keyboard... ok that's two reasons. :o

[블라스]

But there will be mods for the 360 version....
Thwipp tell him! :mad:

[THWIP*]

Aw man I love tha hate ;)
hehe I'm getting the PC version though. for one reason and one reason only, there is 100% mods on it, and I prefer the keyboard... ok that's two reasons. :o


WELL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MOD THE '360' VERSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY "100%". :confused: OF COURSE, THE '360' WILL ALSO SUPPORT ALL PERIPHERALS, SO I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

[Zenien]

Indeed, this is a game being made for the PC and ported to console(s) so I'll pick up the PC version.

[Zenien]

But there will be mods for the 360 version....
Thwipp tell him! :mad:

But the keyboards and mouse will be via a USB port, wpon't they? meaning in 90 percent of the cases the keyboard and mouse you use for yiour PC won't work with the Xbox since no PC's use USB (well typically they don't). I'm not going to spend 350 dollars on the Xbox and then an additional say 30 dollars minimum for a new keyboard and mouse and then pay for the game, when I can just get the game for my PC. :confused:

Will a mod made for the PC version work on the 360?

[THWIP*]

Indeed, this is a game being made for the PC and ported to console(s) so I'll pick up the PC version.


UMM......WRONG. :rolleyes:

[THWIP*]

But the keyboards and mouse will be via a USB port, wpon't they? meaning in 90 percent of the cases the keyboard and mouse you use for yiour PC won't work with the Xbox since no PC's use USB (well typically they don't). I'm not going to spend 350 dollars on the Xbox and then an additional say 30 dollars minimum for a new keyboard and mouse and then pay for the game, when I can just get the game for my PC. :confused:

Will a mod made for the PC version work on the 360?


EVER HEARD OF AN ADAPTER? :confused:



NOT LIKELY.

[Zenien]

UMM......WRONG. :rolleyes:

Care to ellaborate. Elder Scrolls has always been a PC franchise which has then been ported to consoles from time to time. Just because you want to view the world through console goggles because this perticular console port is being made at the same time as the main game....

I'll put it this way, if they were to choose between one or the other, they'd put it on the PC.

Unless of course I am wrong, oh master.

[The Last Meatbag]

Mark of Kri is a good game

[블라스]

But the keyboards and mouse will be via a USB port, wpon't they? meaning in 90 percent of the cases the keyboard and mouse you use for yiour PC won't work with the Xbox since no PC's use USB (well typically they don't). I'm not going to spend 350 dollars on the Xbox and then an additional say 30 dollars minimum for a new keyboard and mouse and then pay for the game, when I can just get the game for my PC. :confused:

Will a mod made for the PC version work on the 360?

I just want you to be happy :(

[Zenien]

I just want to argue with Thwip. :(

[블라스]

You 2 are really good at it.
Keep going :(

[THWIP*]

Care to ellaborate. Elder Scrolls has always been a PC franchise which has then been ported to consoles from time to time. Just because you want to view the world through console goggles because this perticular console port is being made at the same time as the main game....

I'll put it this way, if they were to choose between one or the other, they'd put it on the PC.


O.K., I'LL ELABORATE. :o

THE GAME WAS DEVELOPED FROM DAY ONE WITH THE '360' IN MIND, WHEREAS THE XBOX VERSION OF 'MORROWIND' WAS A LITTLE BEHIND THE PC. IF YOU GO TO THE OFFICIAL 'BETHESDA' WEBSITE, YOU CAN FIND AMPLE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS NO "PORT". IN FACT, I'LL WAGER THAT IT WILL BE BETTER OPTIMIZED ON THE '360', DUE TO THE CONSISENT HARDWARE V.S. THE PC MARKET.

[Zenien]

You 2 are really good at it.
Keep going :(

You like it when we argue? You cruel person. :(

[블라스]

You like it when we argue? You cruel person. :(

I actually don't.
I just took a sad/sarcastic approach to the situation :(

[Hudson]

WELL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MOD THE '360' VERSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY "100%". :confused: OF COURSE, THE '360' WILL ALSO SUPPORT ALL PERIPHERALS, SO I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I always skipped 360 questions, because I didn't give **** about it, so how would I know? ;)

[Zenien]

O.K., I'LL ELABORATE. :o

THE GAME WAS DEVELOPED FROM DAY ONE WITH THE '360' IN MIND, WHEREAS THE XBOX VERSION OF 'MORROWIND' WAS A LITTLE BEHIND THE PC. IF YOU GO TO THE OFFICIAL 'BETHESDA' WEBSITE, YOU CAN FIND AMPLE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS NO "PORT". IN FACT, I'LL WAGER THAT IT WILL BE BETTER OPTIMIZED ON THE '360', DUE TO THE CONSISENT HARDWARE V.S. THE PC MARKET.

Looking at their website, the PC version is always mentioned first, and the 360 version is left out in the cold when it comes to extras like the TES editor.

Your big defense is that if I looked at their website, which I do, that I might find that it's no port? When it's going to be exactly the same as the PC version minus a feature or two and continually gets mentioned last? :confused:

Well it will probably be more stabel on the 360 due to the looked nature of the console, but the PC version will have higher performance levels, albeit used rarely.

Ha ha :o

and it if it was truely developed with the 360 in mind, then why are all the game changes being sited as necessary changes based upon how Morrowind PC/Xbox played? Morrowind for the Xbox is a direct port, and a sloppy one at that.

THe previous itteration, and all those before it were PC centric, so why are we seeing no sweeping changes if this version is being made with a console interface in mind. Ask the devs and their answer is "Upon reflection after we finished Morrowind for the PC... yadda yadda yadda."

[THWIP*]

Looking at their website, the PC version is always mentioned first, and the 360 version is left out in the cold when it comes to extras like the TES editor.

Your big defense is that if I looked at their website, which I do, that I might find that it's no port? When it's going to be exactly the same as the PC version minus a feature or two and continually gets mentioned last? :confused:

Well it will probably be more stabel on the 360 due to the looked nature of the console, but the PC version will have higher performance levels, albeit used rarely.

Ha ha :o

and it if it was truely developed with the 360 in mind, then why are all the game changes being sited as necessary changes based upon how Morrowind PC/Xbox played? Morrowind for the Xbox is a direct port, and a sloppy one at that.

THe previous itteration, and all those before it were PC centric, so why are we seeing no sweeping changes if this version is being made with a console interface in mind. Ask the devs and their answer is "Upon reflection after we finished Morrowind for the PC... yadda yadda yadda."


I NEVER SAID 'MORROWIND' WASN'T A PORT. IN FACT, I SAID:

"WHEREAS THE XBOX VERSION OF 'MORROWIND' WAS A LITTLE BEHIND THE PC."

BUT, I FORGOT ABOUT YOUR POOR READING COMPREHENSION LEVELS. :o YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME DIGGING ON THE WEBSITE, SINCE IT'S BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, BUT THE INTERVIEWS LEAVE NO DOUBT: THE '360' IS NOT BEING TREATED LIKE A STEPCHILD LIKE THE XBOX MAY HAVE BEEN. IT'S GETTING IT'S VERY OWN GAME, RATHER THAN A PORT......BELIEVE IT, OR NOT.

[Zenien]

I've already read those, but it IS the lesser version between the PC and 360. Everything else I've just been using to bug you. :up:

[THWIP*]

I've already read those, but it IS the lesser version between the PC and 360. Everything else I've just been using to bug you. :up:


I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHEN THE REVIEWS COME OUT. I'D SAY THE ONLY POSSIBLE DOWNSIDE TO THE '360' VERSION COULD BE UNFORSEEN GLITCHES WITH THE NEW HARDWARE.....BUT THAT'S NOT VERY LIKELY, AS LONG AS THEY'VE HAD ACCESS TO IT. BOTTOM LINE IS STILL THIS: IF YOU DON'T ALREADY OWN A PC THAT WILL HANDLE THE CURRENT AND/OR NEXT-GEN GAMES.......GET A '360' WITH 'OBLIVION' WHEN IT LAUNCHES. :up:

[Zenien]

Indeed. The PC version will come with at least 1 extra that the console version will lack, though.

[Smiling Jack]

The PC version wont be a buggy unstable peice of dog **** either :down

[WhatsHisFace]

Are you people just trolling? Otherwise you are stupid as **** if you (Zenien, Hudson) think what you're saying is actually true.

Don't bug THWIP*.

[Zenien]

What part was stupid? The other stuff or that the PC version is better becase it has feature/s the 360 version doesn't?

[WhatsHisFace]

Pretty much everything was stupid, actually.

[Zenien]

/shrug

Care to elaborate?

[WhatsHisFace]

No, I don't want to ****ing elaborate. If you can't understand your own bull**** you're not worth my goddamn time.

Go figure it out yourself.

[Zenien]

two words for you.

Grow up.

Next bit, whatever is bothering you: calm down.

I understand what I said just fine. THWIP and I agree that if you don't have a PC capable of handling Oblivion, get the 360 version instead.

[WhatsHisFace]

Almost no PC at the game's release is going to run Oblivion like the Xbox will. Not even your 2ghz beast with a whopping 800x600 screen resolution and barely enough RAM to copy and paste word documents.

[Zenien]

it has 1 gig of it.

[WhatsHisFace]

I thought you said 64mb.

[Alizée]

Thats on the GPU. And PC's have ran every PC-to-Xbox port better than the Xbox since it's release, I really doubt this will be any different. There's big difference between "not running as well as xbox360" and "not running as well as the games options allow and will run in a year or so".

[WhatsHisFace]

Thats on the GPU. And PC's have ran every PC-to-Xbox port better than the Xbox since it's release, I really doubt this will be any different. There's big difference between "not running as well as xbox360" and "not running as well as the games options allow and will run in a year or so".
Halo and SplinterCell only ran on the PC if you had a blistering processor and an NVidia card. Games like Riddick won't even run if you have ATi.

And is 64mbVRAM still the norm, I have that on my five year old Voodoo 5. Unless Zenien has integrated graphics... oh wait, doesn't she have a Geforce 2 MX?

[Alizée]

Halo wasnt a PC-to-Xbox port and yet still runs just fine without a "blistering" processor, as does Splinter Cell, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at. I doubt you're five year old Voodoo 5 has allowed you to have the experience first hand either way. And VRAM is needed for a frame buffer and not much else really. It helps a whole lot to have more than 64mb obviously, as I told her, but it isnt going to cripple your machine. Regardless, at the end of the day, Oblivion will probably have a draw distance of "two feet in front of you" on Xbox360, like it's predecessor, so going into settings and duplicating that alone is going to buy quite a bit of performance, more than enough to make up for whatever she'll be lacking, if anything.

[WhatsHisFace]

Halo wasnt a PC-to-Xbox port and yet still runs just fine without a "blistering" processor, as does Splinter Cell, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at. I doubt you're five year old Voodoo 5 has allowed you to have the experience first hand either way. And VRAM is needed for a frame buffer and not much else really. It helps a whole lot to have more than 64mb obviously, as I told her, but it isnt going to cripple your machine. Regardless, at the end of the day, Oblivion will probably have a draw distance of "two feet in front of you" on Xbox360, like it's predecessor, so going into settings and duplicating that alone is going to buy quite a bit of performance, more than enough to make up for whatever she'll be lacking, if anything.
Frame buffer also allows for more colors and higher resolutions, so unless Oblivion supports 8-bit mode, I don't really see it happening.

As for draw distance, the PC version didn't have great draw distance either.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/images/art/mwpc/mwind_web71B.jpg

And the 360 version looks like the draw distance is just fine. It's the same as the PC. :confused:

[Hudson]

Are you people just trolling? Otherwise you are stupid as **** if you (Zenien, Hudson) think what you're saying is actually true.



and there it was ;)
For the record, Zenien was never trolling. I was kinda I admit to that. But then it's so damn easy when we got such hotheads on this part of the forum.


I think my machine can run it, then again, I'm a PC player so I upgrade and such when I can.. :confused:

[THWIP*]

THWIP and I agree that if you don't have a PC capable of handling Oblivion, get the 360 version instead.



:eek:!! *FAINTS*

[WhatsHisFace]

and there it was ;)
For the record, Zenien was never trolling. I was kinda I admit to that. But then it's so damn easy when we got such hotheads on this part of the forum.


I think my machine can run it, then again, I'm a PC player so I upgrade and such when I can.. :confused:
You would not believe how bad of a mood I was in a few hours ago. I was really worn out thanks to my job, I had severe sleep deprivation thanks to my job, I was really pissed off about not being able to sleep, and some bad things happened yesterday and early this morning so I was just not in the mood to deal with people looking for trouble properly.

But a few hours of sleep later, some human contact and some food made me the person I usually am.

Zenien, I'm sorry one more time. It wasn't really me. I turn into a werewolf occassionally when I don't sleep or eat for long periods of time. :(

[Alizée]

An older shot with mountains obscuring everything and with the slider probably turned down isn't a great indicator of the PC's draw distance. If you turn it all the way up, you can see very, very far, much further than you could in the Xbox version (which is set to the minimum setting, anyone with a the PC version thats played the xbox version can set it to it's lowest and see for themselves if they like).

[WhatsHisFace]

Well I don't have it on the PC, so I did a Google search (which yeilded much Elf Porn) and the pictures that came up barely looked like they had more drawn than the GOTY on Xbox.

Maybe you could take a screencap from your PC and post it here so we could all see the difference?

[Alizée]

Post one in a few minutes once I reinstall it :up:

And Elf porn? :(

[WhatsHisFace]

Just do an image search for "Morrowind" there's porn from page one, with fully-modelled, presumably bumpmapped nipples. :(

[Zenien]

WHF, nothing opens the gates of forgiveness better then Laughing Out Loud. :)

[Alizée]

Ok, here they are.
Draw distance maxed out:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/jcdenton1558/PC.jpg

Xbox draw distance:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/jcdenton1558/xbox.jpg

Big difference. I cant even remember what the original argument was about or anything, or why I'm posting these, but yeah. Obviously cutting down on draw distance can buy you quite a bit of performance, and there's a big difference between the xbox and PC versions of the game :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

No, that is NOT the Xbox's draw distance. That's insanely and shockingly close. The Xbox draw distance seems exactly like the top one.

http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0013.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0003.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0001.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0015.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0011.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/elderscrolls3morrowind/sim-elderscrolls3morrowind-0005.jpg

[Alizée]

They must have turned it up for those shots, you cant see two feet in front of you on xbox :down

[WhatsHisFace]

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy DRT. :rolleyes:

[Alizée]

You're right, companies doctoring screenshots to make them look better their game look better than it will on your tv screen, crazy paranoid me :rolleyes:

[WhatsHisFace]

You're right, companies doctoring screenshots to make them look better their game look better than it will on your tv screen, crazy paranoid me :rolleyes:
Go to ANY gamesite and look at screens. You're wrong and now you're making a poor attempt at saving face.

[WhatsHisFace]

You're right, companies doctoring screenshots to make them look better their game look better than it will on your tv screen, crazy paranoid me :rolleyes:
Go to ANY gamesite and look at screens. You're wrong and now you're making a poor attempt at saving face.

[Zenien]

Well don't any of you own the console version, you can test out the real thing. :confused:

[Alizée]

Brilliant, the gaming sites that all have the same publicity shots, I'm sure that'll do the trick. And wrong about what? That the PC had better visibility? It did, even with your not exactly true to life screenshots, I've proven that, where as all you've done is post suspect xbox shots that still prove my point and tell me to go look at more xbox shots, and for what? To see more shots that I'm not going to trust? Sorry WHF, I played Morrowind Xbox for a long, long time, and I know what the draw distance was. You couldnt see ****, and no amount of doctored shots and "but ms rulez!!!!1" whining is going to change that.

[Alizée]

Well don't any of you own the console version, you can test out the real thing. :confused:
Yes, I do as a matter of fact. But real life experience pales in comparison to a publicity shot given to IGN, duh :rolleyes:

[WhatsHisFace]

Brilliant, the gaming sites that all have the same publicity shots, I'm sure that'll do the trick. And wrong about what? That the PC had better visibility? It did, even with your not exactly true to life screenshots, I've proven that, where as all you've done is post suspect xbox shots that still prove my point and tell me to go look at more xbox shots, and for what? To see more shots that I'm not going to trust? Sorry WHF, I played Morrowind Xbox for a long, long time, and I know what the draw distance was. You couldnt see ****, and no amount of doctored shots and "but ms rulez!!!!1" whining is going to change that.
All you did was move a slider bar and say "Well, that's how I decide I want to remember the Xbox version looking" and posted it with nothing more than your word (which has been shot to hell here) backing it up. While I have posted shots from Xbox.com, which has no reason to "doctor" screenshots as you say. They haven't doctored shots of anything else.

But if you want to look all rebellious and "Anti MS" or whatever, that's fine with me, but you're not going to make me believe Morrowind looked like that picture you posted for one second, because I played the game for years and I know you're wrong.

[Alizée]

My words accepted well enough, happened during that 2 months tantrum I believe. And if anyone doesnt want to accept my word, they're free to go play the Xbox version for themselves to see that I'm right. That is if they arent too busy reminding us that PC's are too complicated, Gamecube's too kiddy, and PS2's just too damn crappy to actually PLAY the games they argue about. You do make some good points though. Xbox.com, a site owned and operated by Microsoft, has no reasons to make the Microsoft Xbox look like a better buy, just as I'm sure Nintendo and sony.com are completly unbiased, to say nothing of the fact that the overwhelming majority of their screenshots, if not all of them, are taken directly from Bethesda, who also has no reason to make their product look better than it is. I mean, afterall, a gaming company making their game sound better than it actually is, completly unheard of, especially on Xbox. I'm sorry I forgot that, I had a long night of running around killing kids and doing completly as I please on Fable, my fault. And I can also see your point about me being "anti MS" and all. I mean, playing games on other systems, not being a stubborn jackass that refuses to admit the fixed hardware of a console cant compete with the ever improving hardware of a PC. I'm really sorry, I've been a complete jerk. I hope, in time, that I can be forgiven.


:rolleyes:

[Kram Soyoh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/fireblaze614/samfi.jpg

[Alizée]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/fireblaze614/samfi.jpg
I wish I had the money for a giant diamond dollar sign :(

[WhatsHisFace]

My words accepted well enough, happened during that 2 months tantrum I believe. And if anyone doesnt want to accept my word, they're free to go play the Xbox version for themselves to see that I'm right. That is if they arent too busy reminding us that PC's are too complicated, Gamecube's too kiddy, and PS2's just too damn crappy to actually PLAY the games they argue about. You do make some good points though. Xbox.com, a site owned and operated by Microsoft, has no reasons to make the Microsoft Xbox look like a better buy, just as I'm sure Nintendo and sony.com are completly unbiased, to say nothing of the fact that the overwhelming majority of their screenshots, if not all of them, are taken directly from Bethesda, who also has no reason to make their product look better than it is. I mean, afterall, a gaming company making their game sound better than it actually is, completly unheard of, especially on Xbox. I'm sorry I forgot that, I had a long night of running around killing kids and doing completly as I please on Fable, my fault. And I can also see your point about me being "anti MS" and all. I mean, playing games on other systems, not being a stubborn jackass that refuses to admit the fixed hardware of a console cant compete with the ever improving hardware of a PC. I'm really sorry, I've been a complete jerk. I hope, in time, that I can be forgiven.


:rolleyes:
Whoa pal, not quite sure who stole your Cloudsong, but it wasn't me. Just stop being a moron, treating Morrowind like it's a showcase for "evolving" PC tech. :rolleyes: It's one of the ugliest games this generation.

[Zenien]

http://www.eurogamer.net/assets/converted/pics/reviews/morrowind/ss_preview_04b.jpg

Main picture is PC default setting, top picture is PC max distance version.

[Alizée]

:rolleyes:
Do you even read posts anymore, or have you forgotten that particular part of debating? My little bit about a console's fixed hardware not being able to compete was in reference to the bull**** you and others typically spew about the Xbox360 being able to run any PC port just as well if not better than any PC. It had nothing to do with Morrowind being a showcase for anything, but I guess in your detailed analysis of my post you missed that. Now, if only I can come up with a tired ytmnd reference to cover up my lack of real points and ability to refute anything, my post will be complete...

[WhatsHisFace]

It doesn't matter. Like every other time, you'll be wiped and I'll just look like I was talking to myself anyways.

I really don't feel like I have to put energy into this because you're
a. not fooling me
b. not going to consider what I'm saying
so I just won't bother and I'll experience the same result as if I would have. See how easy things become when you just realize that no one here is actually effected by anything anyone else says? We all have our fixed opinions and we just stand them up to others day by day.

I'm willing to lay money down that no one here has actually changed since they came here, better or worse. This is just that inconsequential. Jakesteraholic's still a Nintendo fan despite no Nintendo threads being here, Zenien's still a Sony loyalist despite years of debating, I'm still getting an Xbox360 even though you think Morrowind's more powerful than the whole of Microsoft and their subsidiaries, and in ten years, we'll all be in predictable spots. Nothing here matters at all, not even a discussion about the draw distance in the Xbox version of Morrowind.

[Zenien]

Now now, you've turned Gammy against the PS2, you filthy people.

[Alizée]

You're wrong and now you're making a poor attempt at saving face.
...

[WhatsHisFace]

...
I'm not attempting to save face because I've proven myself right, and all you've been able to put against it is some mysterious corporate conspiracy which could get Bethesda sued over false advertisement if it were true.

[WhatsHisFace]

Now now, you've turned Gammy against the PS2, you filthy people.
Gamera's the only good person on this forum. The only real person on this forum. That's why he's our favorite.

[Alizée]

I'm not attempting to save face because I've proven myself right, and all you've been able to put against it is some mysterious corporate conspiracy which could get Bethesda sued over false advertisement if it were true.
You've proven something? Where? All you've proven is that an argument you yourself have used several times that companies frequently doctor screenshots (MGS3, GT4, etc) is no longer valid when applied to Microsoft, as though they're some blessed corporate entity, incapable of the stuff all those other companies do on a day to day basis. And screenshots aren't an "advertisement", those solicit you to buy a product, something screenshots do not do. It'd be no different than a movie teaser that includes a scene removed from the final product.

[WhatsHisFace]

You've proven something? Where? All you've proven is that an argument you yourself have used several times that companies frequently doctor screenshots (MGS3, GT4, etc) is no longer valid when applied to Microsoft, as though they're some blessed corporate entity, incapable of the stuff all those other companies do on a day to day basis. And screenshots aren't an "advertisement", those solicit you to buy a product, something screenshots do not do. It'd be no different than a movie teaser that includes a scene removed from the final product.
Too bad Microsoft didn't make Morrowind. :down

[Kram Soyoh]

Gamera's the only good person on this forum. The only real person on this forum. That's why he's our favorite.


Psssssh....:rolleyes: I'm everyone's favorite :marv:

[Alizée]

No, but it's on a microsoft console, and at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. And regardless, if you're too stubborn to admit it and you'd like to continue the charade that you're arguing with more than fanboyism driving you, replace "Microsoft" with "Bethesda" and my statement is just as valid. When you use the argument it's just fine, and anyone that says otherwise is a sony fanboy, but the second it's applied to a Microsoft console exclusive, it's a crazed conspiracy.

[WhatsHisFace]

If only I knew who you were. :(

[WhatsHisFace]

No, but it's on a microsoft console, and at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. And regardless, if you're too stubborn to admit it and you'd like to continue the charade that you're arguing with more than fanboyism driving you, replace "Microsoft" with "Bethesda" and my statement is just as valid. When you use the argument it's just fine, and anyone that says otherwise is a sony fanboy, but the second it's applied to a Microsoft console exclusive, it's a crazed conspiracy.
Why would Microsoft try to make a PC port look better when they had better looking games at launch? Morrowind didn't need graphics to sell it obviously, and there have been worse looking games that sold better on the Xbox (KotOR).

If Xbox.com doctored shots to make the Xbox look good, don't you think they would have done something about these?

Fix the jaggies?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/alias/sim-alias-003.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/futurama/sim-futurama-0004.jpg

3D-ify?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/atari/sim-atari-001.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/sonicmegacollectionplus/sim-sonicmegacollectionplus-001.jpg

Add an effect?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/chicagoenforcer/sim-chicagoenforcer-006.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/pariah/sim-pariah-021.jpg

I mean seriously, if MS is going to doctor a shot for the sake of your argument, why not doctor ones that actually need it?

And I like your double standard cynicism. Maybe Oblivion's shots are doctored to make Bethesda look good to themselves, and the game actually looks no better than Killzone on the PC or 360. But no, it couldn't be like that. The PC is capable of doing real-life real-time. :rolleyes:

Man. What happened to you?

[Alizée]

Why would Microsoft try to make a PC port look better when they had better looking games at launch? Morrowind didn't need graphics to sell it obviously, and there have been worse looking games that sold better on the Xbox (KotOR).

Bethesda and to sell it, obviously. The average gamer doesnt notice stuff unless it has pretty graphics, regardless of whether you think Morrowind needed it or not. And KotOR looks far better than Morrowind, making me doubt you've even played it

If Xbox.com doctored shots to make the Xbox look good, don't you think they would have done something about these?

:rolleyes: Gee, I wonder why they didnt doctor Futurama? Or ****ing Sim atari. I wonder why on Earth they didnt think those low profile "no one gives a ****" games you've shown us the time they show to other games with an actual chance to sell. I cant figure it out...

I mean seriously, if MS is going to doctor a shot for the sake of your argument, why not doctor ones that actually need it?

Your argument to, though you'd sooner die than admit it. The ones that would benefit from it DO get it. Those games arent selling if they look true to life

And I like your double standard cynicism. Maybe Oblivion's shots are doctored to make Bethesda look good to themselves, and the game actually looks no better than Killzone on the PC or 360. But no, it couldn't be like that. The PC is capable of doing real-life real-time. :rolleyes:

Yeah, because the corner stone of my argument ISN'T that the Xbox version of morrowind simply doesnt look like that, but rather that these shenanigans never happen on the PC. Touche WHF, touche.

Man. What happened to you?

I stopped purposefully acting like a fanboy to remain in character


...

[WhatsHisFace]

1. And the average gamer goes to Xbox.com's image gallery to decide on a purchase? Sorry, but the average gamer looks at magazine ads and TV commercials.
2. And like Morrowind is the next GTA? Microsoft had it's million seller for 2001 and it's million seller for 2002. It didn't need Morrowind, and draw-distance wasn't going to get an additional 4 million sales.
3. Reword that.
4. Your argument failed and you came up with a flimsy conspiracy that failed even worse, and now you're deflecting valid points brought up by your own argument? Way to go.
5. Good for you. I'm sure it's really making a difference to someone out there whether you baselessly bash Morrowind's draw distance or not to look pro-Nintendo or something.

[Alizée]

1. And the average gamer goes to Xbox.com's image gallery to decide on a purchase? Sorry, but the average gamer looks at magazine ads and TV commercials.

People who research their purchases are the minority, but the difference isn't so drastic as you make it seem. Most every gamer around has seen a screenshot online for an anticipated game before, and quite a few get excited about those games in the first place because of stuff they read online. The various gaming sites and magazines that need paying customers to stay alive wouldnt be around if it were such a small group as to not warrant any consideration

2. And like Morrowind is the next GTA? Microsoft had it's million seller for 2001 and it's million seller for 2002. It didn't need Morrowind, and draw-distance wasn't going to get an additional 4 million sales.

You got me. Microsoft is perfectly content with one successful game a year while their competitor has several. On top of that, Microsoft DOEST EVEN FACTOR IN. I'm going to try and explain this one more time:
1) I said "Microsoft" in reference to your reasons for participating in this in the first place, that is, your irrational love of that company. I know full well they didnt make the game, and dont spruce up the shots of other companies. Those other companies handle that.
2) So, Bethesda, who has NOT had their million seller for 2002, or any year for a while now, needs something to make their game look just a little bit nicer.
3) They make the screenshots just a bit inaccurate for the sake of making them more impressive, as most companies do (an idea you have yourself, unless of course you were just trolling in all those ps2 threads)
And here we are. Even if you're so naive as to not admit that they would do that (though I'm sure konami would in a heart beat), the fact that most of those screenshots are made on Xbox Dev kits, which likely have scalable options like the PC version, being the same code and all, which could lead to them setting the draw distance higher if only to show off more environment, or simply because they thought thats what it would be in the final product, thats alone should be enough to at least give me the benefit of the doubt, rather than this "omg suRe drT it'S t3h game illLLumiNati, yeah, sure, Har haR!! ****

3. Reword that.

I'm having a hard time believing that I actually need to. You have said in various threads about MGS3, Killzone, GT4, and other games that the screenshots presented were not representative of the final product. This "conspiracy" as you call it is something you believe yourself. I'd certainly hope that's clear enough. If it isnt, best to keep that one to yourself.

4. Your argument failed and you came up with a flimsy conspiracy that failed even worse, and now you're deflecting valid points brought up by your own argument? Way to go.

My argument failed in your eyes because you cant admit that you're wrong, ever, and you also can't admit that the xbox isn't a god of gaming sent to deliver us from the evil of sony and nintendo, and the wretched PC. Do you even remember what the argument was in the first place? I have serious doubts. As for me coming up with a flimsy conspiracy that you've used in arguments several times years before...well, I think that sentence kind of says it all. And I deflecting my own points? I sure hope that's sarcasm, because that statement was dripping with it, and I'd certainly hope you arent so dense as to miss it.

5. Good for you. I'm sure it's really making a difference to someone out there whether you baselessly bash Morrowind's draw distance or not to look pro-Nintendo or something.

Wow. Not only do you think people post on the forum to "make a difference", you cant even grasp someone posting ANYTHING without the ulterior motive of making their gaming machine of choice look better. I'm not "baselessly" bashing anything, and what I AM doing isnt being done for the reasons of looking pro-anything, it's being done because you're just flat out wrong. I really dont give a **** if this whole forum wants to give a slobbery bj to Bill Gates for the hours and hours they've spent with their Xbox, I certainly enjoy mine as well, but I am sick of everyone posting this bull**** and passing it for fact, because "it'S xb0x guYS!!11!!!1XD!!1

[WhatsHisFace]

People who research their purchases are the minority, but the difference isn't so drastic as you make it seem. Most every gamer around has seen a screenshot online for an anticipated game before, and quite a few get excited about those games in the first place because of stuff they read online. The various gaming sites and magazines that need paying customers to stay alive wouldnt be around if it were such a small group as to not warrant any consideration.
So now it's IGN and Gamespot? :rolleyes:

You got me. Microsoft is perfectly content with one successful game a year while their competitor has several. On top of that, Microsoft DOEST EVEN FACTOR IN. I'm going to try and explain this one more time:
1) I said "Microsoft" in reference to your reasons for participating in this in the first place, that is, your irrational love of that company. I know full well they didnt make the game, and dont spruce up the shots of other companies. Those other companies handle that.
2) So, Bethesda, who has NOT had their million seller for 2002, or any year for a while now, needs something to make their game look just a little bit nicer.
3) They make the screenshots just a bit inaccurate for the sake of making them more impressive, as most companies do (an idea you have yourself, unless of course you were just trolling in all those ps2 threads)
And here we are. Even if you're so naive as to not admit that they would do that (though I'm sure konami would in a heart beat), the fact that most of those screenshots are made on Xbox Dev kits, which likely have scalable options like the PC version, being the same code and all, which could lead to them setting the draw distance higher if only to show off more environment, or simply because they thought thats what it would be in the final product, thats alone should be enough to at least give me the benefit of the doubt, rather than this "omg suRe drT it'S t3h game illLLumiNati, yeah, sure, Har haR!! ****
1. Companies usually "spruce up" renders of game characters and objects, usually in front of a black background or whatever. They don't doctor it up after the game's release.
2. Like draw distance? Please, if they're going after the casual gamer who bought Turok 2 and Driver in droves, they'd up the polys in the characters, you know, something that matters to people.
3. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it didn't happen to Morrowind. I'm being honest here, Morrowind's screenshots look exactly like the final game, not that "enhanced fog" pic you pulled from your computer.


I'm having a hard time believing that I actually need to. You have said in various threads about MGS3, Killzone, GT4, and other games that the screenshots presented were not representative of the final product. This "conspiracy" as you call it is something you believe yourself. I'd certainly hope that's clear enough. If it isnt, best to keep that one to yourself.
The game I said wasn't representative was GT4's "Photo Mode" pictures, and also that Sony admitted to adding blur effects to the pictures. That's it.


My argument failed in your eyes because you cant admit that you're wrong, ever, and you also can't admit that the xbox isn't a god of gaming sent to deliver us from the evil of sony and nintendo, and the wretched PC. Do you even remember what the argument was in the first place? I have serious doubts. As for me coming up with a flimsy conspiracy that you've used in arguments several times years before...well, I think that sentence kind of says it all. And I deflecting my own points? I sure hope that's sarcasm, because that statement was dripping with it, and I'd certainly hope you arent so dense as to miss it.
I admit to being wrong only when I'm wrong. I've admitted to it on these very boards before, but this isn't one of those times.


Wow. Not only do you think people post on the forum to "make a difference", you cant even grasp someone posting ANYTHING without the ulterior motive of making their gaming machine of choice look better. I'm not "baselessly" bashing anything, and what I AM doing isnt being done for the reasons of looking pro-anything, it's being done because you're just flat out wrong. I really dont give a **** if this whole forum wants to give a slobbery bj to Bill Gates for the hours and hours they've spent with their Xbox, I certainly enjoy mine as well, but I am sick of everyone posting this bull**** and passing it for fact, because "it'S xb0x guYS!!11!!!1XD!!1
Then maybe you'd be happier at Gamefaqs.com.

[Zenien]

Who here has an IGN pass?

[Mixairian]

Mix want Oblivion... Oblivion look shiney. Mix want now! Mix also want WhatsHisFace and Alizée to shut up... With hang over Mix have, Mix don't want to read their whining but appreciate shiney game.

[Zenien]

*Screams*

Hiya Mix. :D

[Mixairian]

Hello. ^_^

[Alizée]

So now it's IGN and Gamespot :rolleyes:
I honestly cant even tell if you're joking anymore. If you cant grasp what I'm saying by now, I'm not going to bother, let someone else try and make a break through.

1,2,3
Are you even looking for a response? You basically just stated your side of the argument and expected some epiphany to happen. Wow.

The game I said wasn't representative was GT4's "Photo Mode" pictures, and also that Sony admitted to adding blur effects to the pictures. That's it.

My ass. Any good looking game on any other console, all of it's screenshots are "CG" until you're proven wrong, and then they're "enhanced", exactly what I'm saying. The only difference here is the console.

I admit to being wrong only when I'm wrong. I've admitted to it on these very boards before, but this isn't one of those times.
You havent and this is.

Then maybe you'd be happier at Gamefaqs.com.
I think I'd be happier with the internet in general.

[Alizée]

Mix want Oblivion... Oblivion look shiney. Mix want now! Mix also want WhatsHisFace and Alizée to shut up... With hang over Mix have, Mix don't want to read their whining but appreciate shiney game.
100% whining free (http://elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_pc_screens_01.htm)

[WhatsHisFace]

I honestly cant even tell if you're joking anymore. If you cant grasp what I'm saying by now, I'm not going to bother, let someone else try and make a break through.


Are you even looking for a response? You basically just stated your side of the argument and expected some epiphany to happen. Wow.


My ass. Any good looking game on any other console, all of it's screenshots are "CG" until you're proven wrong, and then they're "enhanced", exactly what I'm saying. The only difference here is the console.


You havent and this is.


I think I'd be happier with the internet in general.
You know what?


















































































































































































































































You have school in a week! :D :D :D

[Alizée]

Yes, yes I do :(

[WhatsHisFace]

DRT, I don't know why we had this argument, or why it lasted for four pages, or why either of us thought it was worth putting mental energy towards, but I think it's time for me to step out. I'm just not enjoying putting my free time into arguing with a friend over something that lost relevance in 2003 and something I really couldn't care less about.

But anyways, I accidentally ripped off a mexican at the gas station today. I felt really bad because I thought he asked for $30 worth but he really asked for $20. :( I'm usually good with accents but he was talking really fast.

Now the mexicans will think americans are being cheap with them. :(

What if his kids will miss dinner tonight because of those $10? :(

[Alizée]

Meh, they're mexican, who cares? :o

























(sorry Gamera :()

[Mixairian]

100% whining free (http://elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_pc_screens_01.htm)

Mmm shiney. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed all the screen shots being really shiney?

[The Evolutionist]

Mmm shiney. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed all the screen shots being really shiney?

Yeah, it almost looks like they're trying to highlight certain things...

[Zenien]

That's crazy talk Mr. E. They're smearing reflective surfaces across the entire screen because they don't know how to set the value function properly.

[Mixairian]

Yeah, it almost looks like they're trying to highlight certain things...

Personally I think it would look better less shiney but that's just my opinion.

[WhatsHisFace]

Stand outside on a bright day. Everything looks shiney. It's because of the sun.

I swear some people spend their whole lives inside. :rolleyes:

[The Evolutionist]

Stand outside on a bright day. Everything looks shiney. It's because of the sun.

I swear some people spend their whole lives inside. :rolleyes:

Note the scenes where they appear to be inside, like in a castle or in the dungeons which lay underneath...

[THWIP*]

Mmm shiney. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed all the screen shots being really shiney?


I'M GOING TO KILL YOU. :down:mad:

[WhatsHisFace]

Note the scenes where they appear to be inside, like in a castle or in the dungeons which lay underneath...
True, they look almost reflective, even though they don't appear to be wet.

But they do a great job of showing off the normal mapping.

[Mixairian]

Stand outside on a bright day. Everything looks shiney. It's because of the sun.

I swear some people spend their whole lives inside. :rolleyes:
Things are only shiney on a bright day outside if you've been inside all day and your eyes have not adjusted.

I'M GOING TO KILL YOU. :down:mad:

That's a yes, right?

[THWIP*]

Things are only shiney on a bright day outside if you've been inside all day and your eyes have not adjusted.



That's a yes, right?


WE'RE TRYING TO GET OFF THAT SUBJECT. :mad: IT'S KILLING MY THREAD. :o :(

[WhatsHisFace]

Things are only shiney on a bright day outside if you've been inside all day and your eyes have not adjusted.
Even after your eye adjusts, it's still bright, actually. I'm outside for at least eight hours a day, I know what I'm talking about.

[Mixairian]

WE'RE TRYING TO GET OFF THAT SUBJECT. :mad: IT'S KILLING MY THREAD. :o :(

Then your thread should not have shiney pictures for those too lazy to sift through bickering posts. :)

Even after your eye adjusts, it's still bright, actually. I'm outside for at least eight hours a day, I know what I'm talking about.

Perhaps my eyes really suck or perhaps they're really good but once I'm outside for a few minutes and I'm adjusted, it does not appear bright to me. Same applies to inside a house with darkness. It doesn't appear dim but just right. The only time I notice extreme bright and dimness is if a certain room is lit a certain way for years and then changed. Even then I adapt and there is no bright or dim for me. I just see clearly.

[WhatsHisFace]

Maybe you have super eyes. Usually dark looks dark and bright looks bright to me.