The official X-Manips thread

[Roughneck]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/mdunville/byn.jpg

[BBraddockLover]

nice manip

we havent had one in a while

are you in love with amanda b?

[afmvdp]

here is a quick milan - blink

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/afmvdp/milianblink.jpg

[Retroman]

^^^^^She's hot!

[Lazmarquez]

Here's a manip of Storm. I was attempting to give her a similar hair look to those we've seen in the recent set pics. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/storm.jpg

[Psionic Force]

Aweome manip Laz!

[Downhere]

I like that manip...Storm looks awesome in that.

[Lazmarquez]

here is a quick milan - blink

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/afmvdp/milianblink.jpg

Could you imagine they randomly put blink like this in X3, i'd be highly surprised lol.. great job though :)

[Retroman]

Here's a manip of Storm. I was attempting to give her a similar hair look to those we've seen in the recent set pics. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/storm.jpg
:eek: Laz = :supes:

[Lazmarquez]

retro you're too much lol

[TheDevil]

It's an improvement that much I'll give you.

I think you're finally taking your craft a little more serious, which you should. If there's one thing this fandom is full of that's crappy artwork. There's not enough decent websites nor Wallpapers out there. Everything is a friggin' cookie cutter.

I hope to see more detail like this from you. You're certainly capable to some degree.

[salad fingers]

Great Laz, I really like the detail. I like the way they did storm's hair for this film. The other two movies are going to be like krap compared to this movie. Keep it up Laz.;) :up:

[SuperBoon]

Really like this one Laz, thanks for sharing :up:

[Downhere]

Hey, the other two movies will not be like crap to this movie. But hopefully this one will be better than the last so we can have a natural progression of goodness between each flick.

[Roughneck]

nice manip

we havent had one in a while

are you in love with amanda b?


Yes, yes I am

[Downhere]

Amanda B is pretty cute I must say.

[WormyT]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpg

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Looks cool. She has freaky 'I CAN READ YOUR MIND' eyes.

[Downhere]

It's cool but gives away to much. Remember 90% of the viewing audience isn't really aware of her "resurrection."

[TheDevil]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpg

Pretty damned good Wormy! I love how you blended everything just right here. You watched the edges sleek design and overlayed the firebird just right. Famke's face is positioned really well, love it!

[_BB_]

The thing i like best about yours WormyT is the phoenix on the X symbol, never thought of doing that before, very creative :up:

Laz, how did you do that lightning in photoshop? Ive seen many tutorials but whenever i have done lightning it hasnt turned out as crisp and real looking as that.

[MoiBijou]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpg

http://www.emoticones.com/deportes_juegos/animadora.gifGreat!

[Lazmarquez]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpg

Great Job :) I LOVE It.. welcome!

[WormyT]

It's cool but gives away to much. Remember 90% of the viewing audience isn't really aware of her "resurrection."
Thanks Guys!

Yeah I have NO doubt they would never put The Phoenix in the marketing.
The fire was something I pasted in in the last minute and then for fun I wanted to see how it would look shaped like a phoenix Silhouette. I thought, hey this seems to work and there will be no official poster like this so I went ahead and phoenixed the whole manip.
Star Trek 3: the search for Spock poster was part of my inspiration for this manip to begin with too. Having the dead character as the main part.

-wt

[Mary]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpgGreat Job! :up:

[TNC9852002]

It's cool but gives away to much. Remember 90% of the viewing audience isn't really aware of her "resurrection."
I agree..

But, for the craftsmanship, I give it two big thumbs up.. :D

-TNC

[bosef982]

Heres my teaser poster. I planned on adding all the others characters really small at the bottom but it ended up looking better with just Phoenix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/x3poster.jpg

Nah, I think the whole "giving away" too much is whatever. People are going to figure it out just from watching the trailer --

HOWEVER

I think the Phoenix bird is TOO pronounced. I'd like to see it insinuated, more amorphous and abstract depiction, no real form to it, but like an optical illusions, if you close at it in a certain way, you'll see the pattern -- I like how it burns out of the X, that's f-ing awesome. But the whole feathers are too obvious -- I'd love the fire just to demonstrate the kinetic feeling of a bird rising, much more visceral and metaphroical than actually bird-like

[Downhere]

Well, the trailer might hint at Jean coming back but it may not be so out there until the first full trailer. But we'll see. Either way, if you look at the posters from X-Men and X2 they hardly have done a poster featuring only one character. I'd bet the next poster has at least half of the characters from the film.

[BT18]

WormyT, Phoenix looks like that Runaway Bride chick.

CRAZY EYES !!!

[Anton Oksehud]

Well..... This came out very strange .... ;)

http://www.mdb.ku.dk/lestat/vinceomega.jpg

Ok, Its not pretty, but I did it in like 5 minutes.... :D

[SuperT]

He more then likely, will not look like that in the movie.

[Octoberist]

It's actually very..dare i say it.....adorable.

[Lightning Strykez!]

He looks like He-Man and Thor's love-child. :o

[Anton Oksehud]

He more then likely, will not look like that in the movie.


I know (Unless they actually go for the "replica bust look") ;)

But U know, I'm bored, I should be doing my homework, giddy that just a LITTLE bit of news arrives.... ;)

Anticipation...

[Octoberist]

He-Man and John Travolta with albino skin!

[Lightning Strykez!]

I know (Unless they actually go for the "replica bust look") ;)

But U know, I'm bored, I should be doing my homework, giddy that just a LITTLE bit of news arrives.... ;)

Anticipation...

Well, you did a good job and should be commended for such speedy talent. He's just a bit too cute for the role. They'd have to "ug" him up a bit so as to be taken seriously.

[The Infernal]

Adorable? Well at least it's not a teletubby.

[Anton Oksehud]

Well, you did a good job and should be commended for such speedy talent. He's just a bit too cute for the role. They'd have to "ug" him up a bit so as to be taken seriously.


I tried to find other pictures of him, but I only found incredibly small pictures of strange dvd-covers ;)

Well I guess a guy like him with his martial art experience should have some ugly mugshots floating around on the web somewhere....

[Lightning Strykez!]

I tried to find other pictures of him, but I only found incredibly small pictures of strange dvd-covers ;)

Well I guess a guy like him with his martial art experience should have some ugly mugshots floating around on the web somewhere....

I guess...

But I have to let you in on something: you might not have realized it, but we already have two threads active on our front page on Omega, one of which was just launched this afternoon.

Since our forum is trying to cut down on redundant threads, could you please post your artwork in one of those threads and continue the discussion there? Specifically this one? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203135



A-A-N!


http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/Pic1037.jpg

The program is in effect.

[Lazmarquez]

I was fiddling around with photoshop again and came up with a couple of poster ideas. One of Jean (my personal fav) and one of Storm. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg

[Lazmarquez]

here's the storm one:

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/stormie.jpg

[littyx]

These are damn great. Do you work for FOX!? Admit it Laz. Your just using us as your test audience!

[WormyT]

I was fiddling around with photoshop again and came up with a couple of poster ideas. One of Jean (my personal fav) and one of Storm. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg
Very nice Posters! I love the phoenix one.

I wonder if they will keep the claws for number "3" or add the number.
-WT

[JP]

I was fiddling around with photoshop again and came up with a couple of poster ideas. One of Jean (my personal fav) and one of Storm. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg

Nicely done.

[GNR]

I was fiddling around with photoshop again and came up with a couple of poster ideas. One of Jean (my personal fav) and one of Storm. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg

Famke better have long hair in X3!

The bastards,they should have left Jean and Storm's hairstyles the same as X1!But ah well!

[bosef982]

I was fiddling around with photoshop again and came up with a couple of poster ideas. One of Jean (my personal fav) and one of Storm. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg


Very good. Your interpretation of the Phoenix bird is exactly what I was talking about in a previous post. It's not specifically spelt out for us, but it is insinuated enough that to the careful observer it's there.

Both of these pieces of Jean, yours and the previous one, are great pieces of work. One's much more energetic, Laz's is more subtle.

Since I'm a "less is more" person, I'm inclined to the second, it has an ambiguity that I really enjoy

[cookiva]

I do like the idea of multple posters, one for every major character. Ones that look like the ones Laz is making. Something simple, yet looks great.

[Downhere]

That manip is scary. lol.

[He-Man]

He looks like He-Man and Thor's love-child

Hey :eek: :eek:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hey :eek: :eek:


Can we please let this thread die? The discussion has been moved to the two other Omega-threads listed above.

[Lazmarquez]

i'd love to see posters hinting to xavier/jean tension/battles, so i made another one.. lol here ya go :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/xavier.jpg

[JP]

Okay, thats my new favorite.

[xwolverine2]

Nice!

[N_z0]

Good job, Lazmarquez!!! Still not a fan of the X3 logo tho. Hopefully the production'll think of a better one.

[ts16]

I'm loving the storm/jean posters !

[Lazmarquez]

took a stab at making a couple of avatars as well, hopefully they come in handy lol.. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/Battle.gif

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/Storm.gif

[Ashlocke]

Laz, those individual posters of Jean and Storm are absolutely amazing! Please do some more of those. Please???? Iceman and Cyclops???

[DarkDog]

^^ yeah, rogue and mystique also. pleeeeeeeease ^_^

[ComicQueen]

i'd love to see posters hinting to

xavier/jean tension/battles, so i made another one.. lol

here ya go

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/xavier.jpg



OOOOOH!!!! SO CLOSE!!!

I love the creativeness behind this but you should learn to Bevel. Bevel the date and "glass" it. It would be down right perfection. In fact why use the poster image date for the "date"?? Use Bank Gothic Fonting then Bevel and Emboss. There is no need to cut from another image for "fonting" purposes. It makes the poster look cheap and tacky.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/franksgirl/datelogo.jpg

Xavier's head needs to be faded out around the neck. It looks like his head is floating in air. Bad composition of his skin, not your fault, its the res of the pic.

Of course, SB's logo is always sheer perfection. He did a real amazing job recapturing that logo. ;)


http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/jeannie.jpg


Again only a slight gripe, remove the "lake" texture from the image and it would have worked smarter/clever.

[ComicQueen]

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/stormie.jpg


Should I even critique this at all? It's littered with problems but your intentions are good. Edge your layers, try looking at your product before exhibit it. This images is a mess. The hard edges, the over white shadowing of the "X" logo, which by the way, doesn't even blend in correctly to the other layers. Over usage of lightening (opacity is extremely unleveled) and aren't even positioned well. You have no direction for it, it's as if you were "Brush Happy" and placed them wherever. The only thing positive is the eyes which you glassed really well.

All in all, you are getting much much better than you were a month ago. I'm assuming from all my mass critiquing and tips have helped in directing you in a good direction.

took a stab at making a couple of

avatars as well, hopefully they come in handy lol..

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/Storm.gif
http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/Battle.gif

Looks awfully too familiar

http://www.thexverse.com/downloads/

You should try to go original and not use something that replicates another designers style. I know it's hard to do but you must if you want to be truly respected. I've had many "so-called" artist rip my designs off multiple times that I can't even count.

It's not flattering nor cute. I think you are taking the designing a little more seriously than previously. It's a big leap forward so Kudos! :up:

[Asteroid-Man]

will someone plz send me the unrated pheanix photo?!

[newwaveboy87]

All in all, you are getting much much better than you were a month ago. I'm assuming from all my mass critiquing and tips have helped in directing you in a good direction.


i think you're patting yourself on the back too much, and giving yourself way too much credit.

when you do anything long enough you're bound to get better at it and improve upon your own skills. you've just provided a few helpful hints for him to help himself - and chances are he's already looked at this work and noticed the problems.

[ComicQueen]

i think you're patting yourself on the back too much, and giving yourself way too much credit.

Oh really? So when did he start improving? Aren't the images getting better? I think so and without critique (myself included) we couldn't get better. No one on here is willing to dish out the criticism which is why there are so many bad images and artwork on here.

when you do anything long enough you're bound to get better at it and improve upon your own skills. you've just provided a few helpful hints for him to help himself - and chances are he's already looked at this work and noticed the problems.

You need to read the posts correctly, he claims to have been a Graphic Artist for a very long time. I'm not and have discovered I'm better than he is and tackled on original designing. If he's been doing this that long he doesn't "need" to get better because by default he already is.

Unless you are a novice.

[newwaveboy87]

Oh really? So when did he start improving? Aren't the images getting better? I think so and without critique (myself included) we couldn't get better. No one on here is willing to dish out the criticism which is why there are so many bad images and artwork on here.

You need to read the posts correctly, he claims to have been a Graphic Artist for a very long time. I'm not and have discovered I'm better than he is and tackled on original designing. If he's been doing this that long he doesn't "need" to get better because by default he already is.

Unless you are a novice.

seeing as how he's said he does these images for five minutes while AT WORK, i don't think they need critiquing. now if he said these were things he slaved for over hours and hours, then yes, they should be. but five minutes at work? no need. it'd be like critiquing some sketch i did while bored in class for ten minutes as compared to a project i put hours of effort into.

these are just for fun. no more, no less.

and one self is their own worst critique. everyone else just offers suggestions for possible improvement. and seeing as how art is more subjective, i personally like a lot of Laz's work more so then some of the things you've shown us. no offense is meant, but that was a really cocky statement.

[ComicQueen]

seeing as how he's said he does these images for five minutes while AT WORK, i don't think they need critiquing. now if he said these were things he slaved for over hours and hours, then yes, they should be. but five minutes at work? no need. it'd be like critiquing some sketch i did while bored in class for ten minutes as compared to a project i put hours of effort into..

5 Minutes at work? Give me a break. You really don't think that's true, eh? If you do then there are many things I'd like to sell you through Ebay.

Yes they do need critiquing and compare this to the other HORRORS he's displayed on here they have gotten so much better. I give him BRAVO's for all the improvemet he has exhibited recently.

Through his experience he should be so much better than what's exhibited here especially for someone that does this as his profession. I know too many "amatuers" that can perform such amazing feats within 5 minutes that make this look hokey and terrible by comparison. This coming from amateurs mind you, not someone who went to school or is employed for this.

these are just for fun. no more, no less.

and one self is their own worst critique. everyone else just offers suggestions for possible improvement. and seeing as how art is more subjective, i personally like a lot of Laz's work more so then some of the things you've shown us. no offense is meant, but that was a really cocky statement.

I'm sick of all the junkyard sites and tacky artwork.

Oh no it's not cocky, it's called being confident of my work. While you maynot appreciate it I can understand why considering what you do like.

oh let's recap:

a lesser person would've backed away. but you've put your money where your mouth it. you've got my respect.

You may not like me on a personal level which I couldn't really care but the bottom line is I'm good at what I do and don't give mediocre fair.

[bosef982]

5 Minutes at work? Give me a break. You really don't think that's true, eh? If you do then there are many things I'd like to sell you through Ebay.

Yes they do need critiquing and compare this to the other HORRORS he's displayed on here they have gotten so much better. I give him BRAVO's for all the improvemet he has exhibited recently.

Through his experience he should be so much better than what's exhibited here especially for someone that does this as his profession. I know too many "amatuers" that can perform such amazing feats within 5 minutes that make this look hokey and terrible by comparison. This coming from amateurs mind you, not someone who went to school or is employed for this.



I'm sick of all the junkyard sites and tacky artwork.

Oh no it's not cocky, it's called being confident of my work. While you maynot appreciate it I can understand why considering what you do like.

oh let's recap:



You may not like me on a personal level which I couldn't really care but the bottom line is I'm good at what I do and don't give mediocre fair.

You know, reading through your posts and alleged "constructive critiques", I've just suddenly discovered the dictionary totally inadequate in describing three words:

pretentious
arrogant and
nauseating

I will also be sending you the doctor's bill for having my eyes pulled back down since they've gotten stuck in the top of my head...

[ComicQueen]

You know, reading through your posts and alleged "constructive critiques", I've just suddenly discovered the dictionary totally inadequate in describing three words:

pretentious
arrogant and
nauseating

I will also be sending you the doctor's bill for having my eyes pulled back down since they've gotten stuck in the top of my head...

That's your personal problem.

[newwaveboy87]

there's lots of trash no matter what kind of art you're in. and not a whole lot can be done about it, people are going to do what they do whether you like it or not.

and you don't know what i like when it comes to art. sure i like some of Laz's work, but by no means do i think it's perfect. and i can see where suggestions are needed, but you come along and critique with a hachet.

and there is a big difference between being confident, and being cocky. your statement was cocky in my opinion. you might think you're better - and sure you might be technically better - but he's done things that are more creative and interesting visually. negative space can only go so far in a piece, and sustain interest for so long.

they were by no means horrors. were they the greatest things ever? no. not at all. but they showed a level of artistry, and room for growth and improvement, which he began to do before you came along.

but i think i am done now. this could get more heated and even more flammed then what it already is. and i still do give you props for putting your money where your mouth is, but you shouldn't critique so harshly. this is his work. and someone could turn around and do it too you just as harshly, if not more so.

[ComicQueen]

there's lots of trash no matter what kind of art you're in. and not a whole lot can be done about it, people are going to do what they do whether you like it or not.

Absolutely but X-Fandom has too much of their fair share. I look at Lord of the Rings and even Star Wars and those guys are freakin' amazing. Even Spiderman's fandom has some very decent artpieces by fans. I just only want the same done here and it should be. The bars should always be raised higher. Is that so bad? You're making it seem like it's a crime.

and you don't know what i like when it comes to art. sure i like some of Laz's work, but by no means do i think it's perfect. and i can see where suggestions are needed, but you come along and critique with a hachet.

Oh really? Then you should spend some time on DeviantArt sometime and watch the down right hateful criticisms I see on there. I only want Laz to get better and to watch what he's doing in these pieces. He's a professional and SHOULDN'T need me to point these out.

I just have a problem with anyone claiming to be "something" but exhibiting something entirely different. I could have EEEEASILY come on here and claimed to be a graphic designer but I'm not and I'm amatuer at best. I wouldn't insult anyone's profession by making such a claim. Those people work hard to do what they do and it's insulting for me to pretend to be something I'm not.

and there is a big difference between being confident, and being cocky. your statement was cocky in my opinion. you might think you're better - and sure you might be technically better - but he's done things that are more creative and interesting visually. negative space can only go so far in a piece, and sustain interest for so long.

Actually, some of the things he's done has been creative and I give him strokes IF YOU COULD READ, you'd have noticed how I mention that many times in my statments. "Great creativeness" "nice conceptual". I don't come in here to BLAST or belittle anyone but the things I'm pointing out are so stupid that NO Graphic designer would have overlooked them at all. They take pride in their work, because it's what they do.

Better technically? Isn't that the whole point? to be technically better? Sorry but I don't find badly blurred images, visually unattractive compositions my cup o' java.

they were by no means horrors. were they the greatest things ever? no. not at all. but they showed a level of artistry, and room for growth and improvement, which he began to do before you came along.

but i think i am done now. this could get more heated and even more flammed then what it already is. and i still do give you props for putting your money where your mouth is, but you shouldn't critique so harshly. this is his work. and someone could turn around and do it too you just as harshly, if not more so.

That's the POINT these should have been brillaint NO MATTER WHAT. I don't do any of this for a living it's a hobby. Laz does this for a living so should know about Bevel/Emboss and have the creativity to spin something original on his own instead of borrowing too much.

I don't give these comments out of malice. I do it in professional critique. If you've been to graphic artist site like Billy Bussey you'd know the difference. YOu think I'm doing this to be EVIL but I'm not or else I could have been even more wicked with my comments.

[newwaveboy87]

just cause something has the technicality doesn't mean it's actually a good work of art. art is about more then the technical aspects.

and to be fair to a lot of the X-fans, they're more animation/cartooning/illustrating then graphic design, as far as i've seen.

and i never said you were doing this to be evil. nor do i even think you're doing it to be evil, you're jumping to conclusions. all i think is that you're critiques are a little too harsh on the guy. the end.

no more, no less.

[ComicQueen]

just cause something has the technicality doesn't mean it's actually a good work of art. art is about more then the technical aspects.

and to be fair to a lot of the X-fans, they're more animation/cartooning/illustrating then graphic design, as far as i've seen.

and i never said you were doing this to be evil. nor do i even think you're doing it to be evil, you're jumping to conclusions. all i think is that you're critiques are a little too harsh on the guy. the end.

no more, no less.

Were my comments out of context? Were they wrong? No. Bottom line they weren't wrong so we shouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. Yes, you might think I was being too harsh but that's because you have formed a person opinion about me regarding another issue which again, whatever.

I just pointed out some detailed things that most GA's would have appreciated or would have caught. I've bashed my own past works when I started and used them as an example. I'm my own worst critic and trust me have had my fair share but took it in stride and began to look for those things.

Artistry is a visual that is easily flawed. You better be damned good if you plan to exhibit it anywhere. Especially if you are an experienced Artist you better be prepared to back it up.

[newwaveboy87]

all i'm saying is not to be so cocky, and to be nicer in your critiques. the end. that's all the point ever was.

[Lazmarquez]

Okay Everyone, This Officially Stops Here. I'm not the creator of this thread, nor am I a moderator of any sort, but I'd like to take the initiative, since this substantially deals with a critique of my work, to stop this now.

ComicQueen, Up to now, I have been very respectful to your critiques and your work. I have taken what you have said into consideration and endured your very harsh, layer for layer rip on the work I create. And until today, it has hardly affected me in the least, but your recent posts have pushed me a little much. Why? Because you give me critiques? No. Because you give me pointers? No. But because you have taken it upon yourself to insult the very thing in life that I take seriously and do for a living. I, in fact, am a Graphic Designer. I've gone to school for it, I've trained and I now have a paying job in NYC doing just this. Whether I meet your ideals and standards is of no importance to me.

My work is in no way terrible, and I pride myself in exhibiting these manips, because I love to detach myself from the burdens of everyday life to share with the wonderful and appreciative folks here at the boards. Because I am not judged for a manip that to be VERY exact, takes me within 15-30 minutes EACH to do. I do not take hours, I cannot afford hours seeing that I work at an office and have other projects to do. So there it is, an aproximate time frame from ME, the creator. If you do not believe me, check the time frames between manips for me.. As I create them, I post them. Whether you know others who are better, once again, is of no importance to me either. Great, I'm glad. I'm not perfect, I'll never be. But I love what I do. That's all that is important to me. I love this.

And just so you know, I dont improve because of you. I accomplish what I do myself, I LISTEN to ME. I AM my own worst critic. I dont need another one to help out.

I never thought this board would be the new place i'd be fear to express myself. Whether it's a 15 minute manip or a 7 day manip, I and everyone in this community shouldn't feel this way. Everyone here should post their art no matter their skill level or experience. We should not fear wether one will tell us that or skills cannot meet our careers. And we should not fear wether we can live to YOUR or anyone's expectations, but express ourselves regardless. If it's a burden to the prefection you profess, then please do not return to this board. I personally enjoy my time here and I enjoy everyone's art. I can state I'm a Graphic Designer, for it is my profession, and no art is bad art as long as it is done with conviction and heart. So please, I welcome you to exhibit your art, but respect everyone elses in doing so, as those around you respectfully do to you.

So Like I said, This feud between everyone ends here. These boards need to start getting positive again, and people should be appreciative we even have this place to discuss and befriend others in. So from this moment forward:

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/art.jpg

[Psionic Force]

GOOD FOR YOU LAZ!!!!

I could not agree with you more! Not sure who CQ thinks she is, but I always felt her comments were too harsh for a fan site. No one ever claimed to be 'the best' at what they do, that is until CQ came along and made it clear that she felt that way.

[the a1ant]

Amen, Laz. :up:

[Kmack]

Its okay, but he doesn't look very menacing:p

[the a1ant]

i'd love to see posters hinting to xavier/jean tension/battles, so i made another one.. lol here ya go :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/xavier.jpg

Love this! It sort of hints towards a Xavier/Phoenix battle. The two most powerful minds. Just love it.

[Kmack]

ANT:eek:

[the a1ant]

what??? :p

[N_z0]

Nice for a 5 minute manip.

Here's hoping that production goes in to the trouble of adding make-up to the actor (as opposed to the Artie from X2) blonde hair and tendrils. And if he does speak...a russian accent.

Edit: how did this get here?!? just to be clear this was in response to the Omega red manip thread...

[littyx]

Okay Everyone, This Officially Stops Here. I'm not the creator of this thread, nor am I a moderator of any sort, but I'd like to take the initiative, since this substantially deals with a critique of my work, to stop this now.

ComicQueen, Up to now, I have been very respectful to your critiques and your work. I have taken what you have said into consideration and endured your very harsh, layer for layer rip on the work I create. And until today, it has hardly affected me in the least, but your recent posts have pushed me a little much. Why? Because you give me critiques? No. Because you give me pointers? No. But because you have taken it upon yourself to insult the very thing in life that I take seriously and do for a living. I, in fact, am a Graphic Designer. I've gone to school for it, I've trained and I now have a paying job in NYC doing just this. Whether I meet your ideals and standards is of no importance to me.

My work is in no way terrible, and I pride myself in exhibiting these manips, because I love to detach myself from the burdens of everyday life to share with the wonderful and appreciative folks here at the boards. Because I am not judged for a manip that to be VERY exact, takes me within 15-30 minutes EACH to do. I do not take hours, I cannot afford hours seeing that I work at an office and have other projects to do. So there it is, an aproximate time frame from ME, the creator. If you do not believe me, check the time frames between manips for me.. As I create them, I post them. Whether you know others who are better, once again, is of no importance to me either. Great, I'm glad. I'm not perfect, I'll never be. But I love what I do. That's all that is important to me. I love this.

And just so you know, I dont improve because of you. I accomplish what I do myself, I LISTEN to ME. I AM my own worst critic. I dont need another one to help out.

I never thought this board would be the new place i'd be fear to express myself. Whether it's a 15 minute manip or a 7 day manip, I and everyone in this community shouldn't feel this way. Everyone here should post their art no matter their skill level or experience. We should not fear wether one will tell us that or skills cannot meet our careers. And we should not fear wether we can live to YOUR or anyone's expectations, but express ourselves regardless. If it's a burden to the prefection you profess, then please do not return to this board. I personally enjoy my time here and I enjoy everyone's art. I can state I'm a Graphic Designer, for it is my profession, and no art is bad art as long as it is done with conviction and heart. So please, I welcome you to exhibit your art, but respect everyone elses in doing so, as those around you respectfully do to you.

So Like I said, This feud between everyone ends here. These boards need to start getting positive again, and people should be appreciative we even have this place to discuss and befriend others in. So from this moment forward:

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/art.jpg
This is the point in the movie where the crowd cheers for Laz and throws tomatoes @ comicqueen. C'mon, you can picture it, sorta in a "Beethoveen 3", "Garfield the Movie" way.

[ComicQueen]

Okay Everyone, This Officially Stops Here. I'm not the creator of this thread, nor am I a moderator of any sort, but I'd like to take the initiative, since this substantially deals with a critique of my work, to stop this now.

ComicQueen, Up to now, I have been very respectful to your critiques and your work. I have taken what you have said into consideration and endured your very harsh, layer for layer rip on the work I create. And until today, it has hardly affected me in the least, but your recent posts have pushed me a little much. Why? Because you give me critiques? No. Because you give me pointers? No. But because you have taken it upon yourself to insult the very thing in life that I take seriously and do for a living. I, in fact, am a Graphic Designer. I've gone to school for it, I've trained and I now have a paying job in NYC doing just this. Whether I meet your ideals and standards is of no importance to me.

If you were schooled and employed as one then your work wouldn't be so shotty period. I've met with GA's that have graduated from the "Art Institute" which is the equivilent of "Bradford Grad" and they demonstrate a powerful artistry in their craft. They pointed out flaws I could NEVER EVER see. The point you are claiming to be in such a profession yet are exhibiting these designs only proves that you aren't what you claim. How could a peanut brain amatuer person like me be able to point out such obvious flaws in an artpiece. These aren't nitpicks either these are valid in your face errors that true Graphic Artists would have discovered.

That is unless you don't take pride in your work. That could be the only other answer.


My work is in no way terrible, and I pride myself in exhibiting these manips, because I love to detach myself from the burdens of everyday life to share with the wonderful and appreciative folks here at the boards. Because I am not judged for a manip that to be VERY exact, takes me within 15-30 minutes EACH to do. I do not take hours, I cannot afford hours seeing that I work at an office and have other projects to do. So there it is, an aproximate time frame from ME, the creator. If you do not believe me, check the time frames between manips for me.. As I create them, I post them. Whether you know others who are better, once again, is of no importance to me either. Great, I'm glad. I'm not perfect, I'll never be. But I love what I do. That's all that is important to me. I love this.

OK, now the time frame moves from 5 minutes to 15-30 minutes. You can't afford to spend hours on your artwork but you spend hours on this messageboard or on Anthony's website?????????

Sorry but that doesn't float either and yes, you do spend time on these artpieces your work just isn't that good because you are a novice. That is the only explanation. I'd never insult anyone with such a wild claim unless I could prove it for a fact. What you've proven here is that you aren't what you claim and that you are still learning and this is shown in the artpieces you've displayed in this thread.

And just so you know, I dont improve because of you. I accomplish what I do myself, I LISTEN to ME. I AM my own worst critic. I dont need another one to help out.

THAT IS THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I shouldn't have to point these things out and by your claims, you should be so ontop of your game so much so that Ant's website should be smokin' hot and your artpieces should top even Ted's XVerse wallpapers!! All the work you've demonstrated lately has been a vast improvement. I dont' care if you want to credit me or not but the point is that you've gotten better but shouldn't have. You're a professional.

I never thought this board would be the new place i'd be fear to express myself. Whether it's a 15 minute manip or a 7 day manip, I and everyone in this community shouldn't feel this way. Everyone here should post their art no matter their skill level or experience. We should not fear wether one will tell us that or skills cannot meet our careers. And we should not fear wether we can live to YOUR or anyone's expectations, but express ourselves regardless. If it's a burden to the prefection you profess, then please do not return to this board. I personally enjoy my time here and I enjoy everyone's art. I can state I'm a Graphic Designer, for it is my profession, and no art is bad art as long as it is done with conviction and heart. So please, I welcome you to exhibit your art, but respect everyone elses in doing so, as those around you respectfully do to you.

So Like I said, This feud between everyone ends here. These boards need to start getting positive again, and people should be appreciative we even have this place to discuss and befriend others in. So from this moment forward:

Here goes that 15 Minute excuse.

If by your skills makes you a graphic designer than I should be a friggin' CREATIVE DIRECTOR!

I don't wanna take away what you've placed here but what I do have a problem with is your so called "title", especially living in New York. Bwhahahaha! If I didn't know any better, I really would have bought that but knowing the Advertising communities and many of the companies in Midtown Manhattan, I'd say that's very unlikely. I know alot of people in the "industry" because it's where I started. I may not know alot about Graphic Design and Art but I do know what's good and who does what. Your demonstration is novice at best.

Also, since you've been doing this for years doing an artpiece in 15 minutes should be nothing but brilliant and these artpieces would exhibit something of your genius. I know gals and guys that do this for a living that can clean an image and design within 10 minutes but they aren't as experienced as you claim you are.

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/art.jpg

Best work you've displayed here. LOL! No just kiddin'.

Bottomline you and others think I'm doing this out of malice but I'm not. I'm doing this to prove a point that people shouldn't make claims that can be proven otherwise. If you had come across as a little novice about this craft I wouldn't have been so harsh but your statement bugs me because I know people that have worked hard and sweat through schooling to obtain that title. It's not fair to them and I certainly wouldn't want to insult them by making that claim for a profession I certainly know nothing about.

Neither should you

[ComicQueen]

This is the point in the movie where the crowd cheers for Laz and throws tomatoes @ comicqueen. C'mon, you can picture it, sorta in a "Beethoveen 3", "Garfield the Movie" way.


No this is the point that I point out that you are either have really bad taste or are just clueless.

I'd picture this the part where Graphic Artists around the DeviantArt Communities are laughing at your moronic statement. Thanks for the FODDER!!! :up: :)

[spark627]

Laz does amazing work. End of story.

ComicQueen, your either a troll or jealous. Be gone.

[The Original Bamfer]

Okay Everyone, This Officially Stops Here. I'm not the creator of this thread, nor am I a moderator of any sort, but I'd like to take the initiative, since this substantially deals with a critique of my work, to stop this now.

ComicQueen, Up to now, I have been very respectful to your critiques and your work. I have taken what you have said into consideration and endured your very harsh, layer for layer rip on the work I create. And until today, it has hardly affected me in the least, but your recent posts have pushed me a little much. Why? Because you give me critiques? No. Because you give me pointers? No. But because you have taken it upon yourself to insult the very thing in life that I take seriously and do for a living. I, in fact, am a Graphic Designer. I've gone to school for it, I've trained and I now have a paying job in NYC doing just this. Whether I meet your ideals and standards is of no importance to me.

My work is in no way terrible, and I pride myself in exhibiting these manips, because I love to detach myself from the burdens of everyday life to share with the wonderful and appreciative folks here at the boards. Because I am not judged for a manip that to be VERY exact, takes me within 15-30 minutes EACH to do. I do not take hours, I cannot afford hours seeing that I work at an office and have other projects to do. So there it is, an aproximate time frame from ME, the creator. If you do not believe me, check the time frames between manips for me.. As I create them, I post them. Whether you know others who are better, once again, is of no importance to me either. Great, I'm glad. I'm not perfect, I'll never be. But I love what I do. That's all that is important to me. I love this.

And just so you know, I dont improve because of you. I accomplish what I do myself, I LISTEN to ME. I AM my own worst critic. I dont need another one to help out.

I never thought this board would be the new place i'd be fear to express myself. Whether it's a 15 minute manip or a 7 day manip, I and everyone in this community shouldn't feel this way. Everyone here should post their art no matter their skill level or experience. We should not fear wether one will tell us that or skills cannot meet our careers. And we should not fear wether we can live to YOUR or anyone's expectations, but express ourselves regardless. If it's a burden to the prefection you profess, then please do not return to this board. I personally enjoy my time here and I enjoy everyone's art. I can state I'm a Graphic Designer, for it is my profession, and no art is bad art as long as it is done with conviction and heart. So please, I welcome you to exhibit your art, but respect everyone elses in doing so, as those around you respectfully do to you.

So Like I said, This feud between everyone ends here. These boards need to start getting positive again, and people should be appreciative we even have this place to discuss and befriend others in. So from this moment forward:

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/art.jpg

Great post... :up: And another amazing picture to go along with it! :up: :D

[ComicQueen]

Laz does amazing work. End of story.

ComicQueen, your either a troll or jealous. Be gone.


LMAO!!!!

Oh honey, you should do standup... really you should! :up:

[Star]

ComicQueen,
seriously. give it up. no one is on your side.
Laz is doing this FOR FUN. its not like we're paying him or he's earning anything other than ... well, his own satisfaction. im sure he doesnt make his manips 'perfection' because he HAS A JOB which he has to spend his time on, perfecting the works he gets paid for.

so yeah. give it up, honey.

[ComicQueen]

ComicQueen,
seriously. give it up. no one is on your side.
Laz is doing this FOR FUN. its not like we're paying him or he's earning anything other than ... well, his own satisfaction. im sure he doesnt make his manips 'perfection' because he HAS A JOB which he has to spend his time on, perfecting the works he gets paid for.

so yeah. give it up, honey.

Oh honey, you haven't a clue.

Laz is a fraud and I don't particuarily care for people that claim to be a profession they aren't in. It's an insult and if you don't get it then you have alot of growing up to do.

[littyx]

No this is the point that I point out that you are either have really bad taste or are just clueless.

I'd picture this the part where Graphic Artists around the DeviantArt Communities are laughing at your moronic statement. Thanks for the FODDER!!! :up: :)
Uh-Oh! Did you say the whole deviantart community is laughing at me?
Oh god, anything but that! God....kill me now!

Oh, and don't ever insult my taste. I'm gay and have had better taste then most people around me since i was the age of 6. And I'm pretty sure your sitting there in your Wal-Mart tube top that your proud of because they "rolled back" the price on it to $6.78!

[The Original Bamfer]

No this is the point that I point out that you are either have really bad taste or are just clueless.

What a well formed sentence for someone so high on her pedestal! :up:

Your grammer and sentence formation is almost as good as your pictures! :)

[ComicQueen]

What a well formed sentence for someone so high on her pedestal! :up:

Your grammer and sentence formation is almost as good as your pictures! :)

Uh Oh !! The Grammar Nazi... I was wondering when that was going to rear it's ugly head. I guess that's your only line of defense at this point.

heh heh and the point you are using it only proves how immature you really are. LOL!

Laugh In Yo' Face.

[Star]

aww, littyx, dont diss deviantart :(

and comicqueen, why are you so ...raging about this? even if he WERE a fraud... why cant you just ... let him do his manips without going crazy? it's for fun. if i see someone with a manip that isnt perfect, i dont go into a frenzy...

[ComicQueen]

Uh-Oh! Did you say the whole deviantart community is laughing at me?
Oh god, anything but that! God....kill me now!

Oh, and don't ever insult my taste. I'm gay and have had better taste then most people around me since i was the age of 6. And I'm pretty sure your sitting there in your Wal-Mart tube top that your proud of because they "rolled back" the price on it to $6.78!

Uh being gay doesn't necessarily give you any "better taste" at Art. Trust, look at Bryan Singer for example.

That's like giving a man a pair of panties should give him PMS rights, eh?

Yes, I shop at Wal-Mart and your personal insults only make you look stupid if not slightly mentally disabled.

[The Original Bamfer]

Uh Oh !! The Grammar Nazi... I was wondering when that was going to rear it's ugly head. I guess that's your only line of defense at this point.

heh heh and the point you are using it only proves how immature you really are. LOL!

Laugh In Yo' Face.

I may be immature, I can admit. But let me ask you - How old are you, exactly?

Laugh In Yo' Face.

Niiiiiiice :up:

[spark627]

your personal insults only make you look stupid if not slightly mentally disabled.


exactly!!!

you might want to start listening to your own advise.

[ComicQueen]

aww, littyx, dont diss deviantart :(

and comicqueen, why are you so ...raging about this? even if he WERE a fraud... why cant you just ... let him do his manips without going crazy? it's for fun. if i see someone with a manip that isnt perfect, i dont go into a frenzy...

'Scuse me where did I got on a FRENZY? Where did I go on a rampage?

I just made some criticism about some artwork from someone that is supposed to be professional. What I don't appreciate is being "pulled" on the leg about something that isn't valid. It's not the point that he's doing bad artwork which for the most part I've held back. I've given him examples and tips on how to improve things.

I've been in the Art community and know what GA's do for a living and know how hard it is to get where they are. It's not an easy feat and I find it insulting not only to my intelligence but to those that work in this line of profession. People need to stop throwing around titles like this when it's proven they don't have a clue.

Had he come across as less than arrogant about his "profession" then I wouldn't have even mentioned a word about it because I know they are amatuers like myself. If you are a photographer and someone comes on a board saying they are such when it's obvious they aren't, that's an insult.

I just want to acknowledge that if you state that you are in a profession you better be prepared to back it up.

My critiques weren't evil or malicious. They were constructive and kind in comparison to what I've seen in art communities. Why other blew this up is their problem.

My word and criticism still stands whether or not people want to accept it.

[Star]

'Scuse me where did I got on a FRENZY? Where did I go on a rampage?

I just made some criticism about some artwork from someone that is supposed to be professional. What I don't appreciate is being "pulled" on the leg about something that isn't valid. It's not the point that he's doing bad artwork which for the most part I've held back. I've given him examples and tips on how to improve things.

I've been in the Art community and know what GA's do for a living and know how hard it is to get where they are. It's not an easy feat and I find it insulting not only to my intelligence but to those that work in this line of profession. People need to stop throwing around titles like this when it's proven they don't have a clue.

Had he come across as less than arrogant about his "profession" then I wouldn't have even mentioned a word about it because I know they are amatuers like myself. If you are a photographer and someone comes on a board saying they are such when it's obvious they aren't, that's an insult.

I just want to acknowledge that if you state that you are in a profession you better be prepared to back it up.

My critiques weren't evil or malicious. They were constructive and kind in comparison to what I've seen in art communities. Why other blew this up is their problem.

My word and criticism still stands whether or not people want to accept it.


You know what, now that i've kind of read this over, i understand. I am an (amateur, but i HAVE taken several courses) photographer, and if someone were to come on here and post completely obviously unskilled photos and tried to make themselves off as a professional, i would be insulted as well.

But, I'm still not going to discredit Laz, as i don't know anything about digital manipulation, so i'm just looking at it as an 'everyday person'. Because, since this is the internet, I don't know if YOU actually know what you're talking about either. (because, to be honest, laz sounds like he knows what he's talking about a little more than you...)

But yeah. I understand where you're coming from now.

[xwolverine2]

i want mystique and mag one............................................... ...............please

[Lazmarquez]

Comic Queen, As two people who should be, i'd like this to stay civilized and stay away from this unnecessary drama. I'd appreciate if you'd stop calling me a fraud, it offends the entire core of what my life is based upon. I have worked hard to get where I am. I left my house to be on my own at 18, payed my way through art school, The Art Institute of Philadelphia to be exact. I came back to NY after a year and studied to finish my degree at School of Visual Arts. And began my job at the company I work for, getting payed for the honest work I do. Like a previous poster said, I do not get payed for this. And I never once claimed that I was a perfect Graphic Artist, but I know this is what I do and your comments cannot change that. I would never lie, or be misguiding to anyone on this board or anyone elsewehere. Why? Because I've worked too hard to be who I am and to get respect at age 21. I live alone, I work hard, and I get what I need on my own. End story. If anyone here doubts my credibility, I'd gladly send you my online portfolio, so you can review the work I do on a day to day basis for pay.

Why do you see my flaws ComicQueen? Maybe you're a hard judge. Maybe not. Maybe I dont do everything on here to a T, but It's what I do. Like it or not, this has to end. This bickering amongst everyone is getting to be redundant. I'd like to return to peace.

[ComicQueen]

You know what, now that i've kind of read this over, i understand. I am an (amateur, but i HAVE taken several courses) photographer, and if someone were to come on here and post completely obviously unskilled photos and tried to make themselves off as a professional, i would be insulted as well.

All the artist in those communities work hard to make a living and for someone to casually throw around a title like this that's just majorly insulting. I've been toying around with graphic softwares for only a year. I'm no WAY a professional nor would I put my crappy images up to someone of that stature. I defend not only the title but the artists behind it who are struggling to retain it.


But, I'm still not going to discredit Laz, as i don't know anything about digital manipulation, so i'm just looking at it as an 'everyday person'. Because, since this is the internet, I don't know if YOU actually know what you're talking about either. (because, to be honest, laz sounds like he knows what he's talking about a little more than you...)

But yeah. I understand where you're coming from now.

I know very little about digital manipulation. In all the conversations I've had on this board Laz has not contributed one centila of knowledge about digital artwork. If there is please do point it out.

Everything that I have pointed out has been professional critiquing on how to use the softwares and such. If you go back several pages where I give tips and demonstrations you would see that I actually know what I'm talking about. Even in my last critique I show how using your own logo works better and easier. I try not to give criticism without giving a solution to the problem. Although, most of these points I make are just simplistic ones that most designers would have caught.

It's nothing personal against Laz, I just want to stand up for the true artist out there that do prove themselves on a daily basis. Life is not easy for them, lets not add injury to insult by swiping those titles without earning it.

[xwolverine2]

wow were having paragraph disscussions on a manip thread..............

[ComicQueen]

Comic Queen, As two people who should be, i'd like this to stay civilized and stay away from this unnecessary drama. I'd appreciate if you'd stop calling me a fraud, it offends the entire core of what my life is based upon. I have worked hard to get where I am. I left my house to be on my own at 18, payed my way through art school, The Art Institute of Philadelphia to be exact. I came back to NY after a year and studied to finish my degree at School of Visual Arts. And began my job at the company I work for, getting payed for the honest work I do. Like a previous poster said, I do not get payed for this. And I never once claimed that I was a perfect Graphic Artist, but I know this is what I do and your comments cannot change that. I would never lie, or be misguiding to anyone on this board or anyone elsewehere. Why? Because I've worked too hard to be who I am and to get respect at age 21. I live alone, I work hard, and I get what I need on my own. End story. If anyone here doubts my credibility, I'd gladly send you my online portfolio, so you can review the work I do on a day to day basis for pay.

Why do you see my flaws ComicQueen? Maybe you're a hard judge. Maybe not. Maybe I dont do everything on here to a T, but It's what I do. Like it or not, this has to end. This bickering amongst everyone is getting to be redundant. I'd like to return to peace.

Perfectly understandable.

I try not to be a harsh judge on your work and only point out the obvious. I've given you strokes on your creativity whether you acknowledge that are not since you are stuck on visiting the negative. I placed those critiques in hopes that you watch for those issues the next time.

As for your bio, by your age that would be impossible. Absolutely impossible with the amount of schooling you've had but I won't discuss that any further.

I've given you tips and have demonstrated ways for you to improve it by showing examples. Yes, I might come across as extremely arrogant but that shouldn't be the case when your work should excel mine in everyway.

As I've mentioned before all the things I pointed out would have been corrected by a 2 to 3 second brush stroke or eraser. This isn't a matter of taste but a matter of technical blunders. GA's take pride in their work. I only expected more than superior work from you. I've seen your work on Ant's site and was always disappointed because I thought you would have implemented more creativity into it coming from your line of profession.

[Star]

As for your bio, by your age that would be impossible. Absolutely impossible with the amount of schooling you've had but I won't discuss that any further.


how would that be impossible?
i have a friend who's going into graphic design, and he was only at school for a year before he was 'qualified'. Same with my other friend who was going into computer animation....

Most (...some?) art schools are only a one-year program, or two....if he's 21 then that would fit the time frame....

[ComicQueen]

how would that be impossible?
i have a friend who's going into graphic design, and he was only at school for a year before he was 'qualified'. Same with my other friend who was going into computer animation....

Most (...some?) art schools are only a one-year program, or two....if he's 21 then that would fit the time frame....

Art Institute programs are 2 years for Associates then additional time from Visual Art Program from New York which is even longer. (I've check them both out a long time ago)

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.

[Lazmarquez]

18 (graduated High School)...19 (College 1st year)...20 (College 2nd year).. 21 (Had to stop attending College for lack of money, Went on Interview, Obtained Job)... end of story. Please, Do not disrespect my life's endeavors.

[Downhere]

Art Institute programs are 2 years for Associates then additional time from Visual Art Program from New York which is even longer. (I've check them both out a long time ago)

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.

Comic Queen is right about the time it takes to get a degree in anything art related. But the Art Institute offers a certificate program that takes about a year. But it really isn't worth it. It's better to at least get an associates degree with takes 2 years or a bachlor's which could take 3-4.

[ComicQueen]

18 (graduated High School)...19 (College 1st year)...20 (College 2nd year).. 21 (Had to stop attending College for lack of money, Went on Interview, Obtained Job)... end of story. Please, Do not disrespect my life's endeavors.

Now this really doesn't make any further sense.

I have worked hard to get where I am. I left my house to be on my own at 18, payed my way through art school, The Art Institute of Philadelphia to be exact. I came back to NY after a year and studied to finish my degree at School of Visual Arts.

Like I said. Impossible.

[Karategirlx2001]

heh heh and the point you are using it only proves how immature you really are. LOL!

Laugh In Yo' Face.


And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

[The Original Bamfer]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.


HEY GIRL! WHERE YA BEEN!? :p Chat for a while! :D

[Karategirlx2001]

Hey! :D I've been lurking ;) :p

[Lazmarquez]

I don't need to prove myself to anyone anymore, this whole ordeal today has exhausted me, and quite frankly, i dont really care what you may think ComicQueen. Like i said, I just want to revert to the way the board was and keep a flowing positivity amongst everyone. If you chose to disbelieve my life and what I do, that's fine. This is the internet, I am not expecting anything or anyone's support. I wouldn't lie about what I do for a living, it has no way of aiding me in anything I do on this board whatsoever. I'm not presenting a spoiler or a bit of news, I'm posting artwork. Nothing more, Nothing less. I was a designer before these boards, and at the end of the day nothing changes. If it bothers anyone, then I'm sorry. I feel no more need to argue a case that no one can substantially provide answer for anyway. If someone feels the need to really question my abilities, or my career, please contact me and I will set the record straight, but this board is no longer a place for this type of discussion and I know myself and others would appreciate a cease of it.

[Neto Magnus]

damn, what do you ppl have against ComicQueen? she's just trying to be helpful with some honest criticism. I mean, whenever I post something here, I would love it if someone told me the flaws in my work. Instead of just hearing, "that's cool :up:" or "great manip" all the time. Cuz constructive criticism is what helps us get better.

[ComicQueen]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please?

I have no problem holding back and I have done so in comparison to what I could have done. I haven't insulted him in any way. I've critiqued his work and have given him tips on how to improve and what to watch out for. If you've watched my posts in the past, I always have given tips on how impove and what to watch out for. I'm not doing this maliciously, contrary to what you want to believe.

GA's work hard for what they do. I don't want to insult any of them by posing as one although considering this group I could have pulled that really really easy.


He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

You're right! He hasn't towards me but he has towards many struggling truly professional GA's out there. I'd hate for anyone to take up my position and flaunt it around claiming they are in Post Production. It would be insulting to me and for the struggles I had to get where I am as a Woman in that line of work.

Calling him a fraud is validated. He has not demonstrated one bit of knowledge of his profession where most GA's use acronyms as many other passionate artist do. When discussing my profession I often go off into tangent about mastering and editing because it's what I know and what I'm passionate about. I've just grown tired of people that take on professional titles but obviously aren't so.

It's insulting to the industry and the artist and if you can't understand that then that's really upsetting. I see these people day in and day out with their portfolios trying to make it in this town. I'm just defending them is all.

You love Laz's work that's great wonderful!! Everyone should but the bottomline is I don't like being fooled into believing a lie.

[The Original Bamfer]

Hey! :D I've been lurking ;) :p

Well! I'm surprised you recognize me! :p

[Lazmarquez]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

Thank you for the kind words, not sure if i've seen you around, but hi! :) seriously, thank you, it means a lot more than you'd think
:-)

[ComicQueen]

damn, what do you ppl have against ComicQueen? she's just trying to be helpful with some honest criticism. I mean, whenever I post something here, I would love it if someone told me the flaws in my work. Instead of just hearing, "that's cool :up:" or "great manip" all the time. Cuz constructive criticism is what helps us get better.

Thank you! At least someone gets it.

I'm not on here to degrade anyone. I often use my artwork as examples of what I've done wrong in the past and how to remedy them. People think if you give them honest criticism that it's a bad thing but behind everyone's back they are mocking in silence which is even worse.

If I was truly doing this out of malice I wouldn't give tips or direction for how to correct the problems. I'm just trying to get people better at what they are doing. There hasn't been anyone on this board that has ever given a solid piece of criticism with knowledge of how to fix it.

My comments could have been "This looks like crap!" and be the end of it. I have been detailed in my criticism and have praised LAZ as well for some things. Anyone knows if you place anything on the internet you'd better be prepared for some feedback both positive and negative.

I think I've delivered the message correctly whether you agree or not.

[Karategirlx2001]

I was a very active poster a few years ago, but now I mostly lurk on the forums more than anything. And no need for thanks; I have enjoyed all your work, Laz.
_________

Comic Queen, I understand some of you points and reasoning, but do you have any concrete proof to back up your allegations, other than Laz's educational timeframe and GA knowledge? I have read your past posts, and while they do have some positive comments, they are grossly overshadowed by your negative ones. It may just be your way of cummunicating...I know emotions tend to get the better of us when something we are passionate about comes into light...Just keep in mind that what you say does affect others and that your word choice can, at times, hold too harsh a connotation. That is all...I am not trying to flame you or anything of that matter. I am simply trying to politely criticize your own criticisms, and inform you of their affects on readers. Nothing more.

___________________
TOB are you on AIM? You still have the same name, right?

[craigaat]

Someone do a manip of Zorn

[The Original Bamfer]

TOB are you on AIM? You still have the same name, right?

Yup :p :D

[newwaveboy87]

i feel as if i should say something, cause i started this whole mess...well here it is, ComicQueen leave Laz alone. please - you may think you're being negative, harsh, or rather arrogant but it appears this way to numerous other people. and while you may not care about what others think of you, it'd be nice if these boards would go back to treating posters in a civilized manner. that would definitely be ideal.

even Laz has said you're critiques are bordering on too cruel. and when the artist has said you've gone too far, i do believe it's time to cut back. this thread wasn't meant to showcase the second coming of super-amazing-look-at-my-god-like-skills GA, but merely a pleasant area where we could look upon the manips. both good and bad. it was meant to be an all encompassing place for art. if you don't like it bite your tongue and move on. if there is something that you do like, tell them - and if you feel it is necessary for someone to make changes, do it as politely as possible.

this thread was made by the fans for the fans. these aren't meant to garner earnings or anything along those lines. it's just supposed to be a pleasant place.

let us return it to that. and please Laz - if there's a new manip, i'd love to see it. and personally, i believe you, thus far you haven't given me a lot of doubt. i am not one too judge your life or think that i know everything. people are different, and where they end up and how they got there change. i got your back buddy.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I swear some people just love the sound of their own... typing?

(Sorry, way harsh, my bad)

ComicQueen, it isn't my place to post in a manip thread as I know nothing about graphic design, but I do know a little thing about behaviour.

I think the problem people are having with you is not your suggestions or experience it's the attitude. I'm sure the suggestions would be much more welcome if they were less authoritarian and more... friendly?

This might be condescending and naive but I would like to preserve some civility, I mean in my line of work I welcome suggestion and constructive criticism and often encourage it, in fact often times I demand it. If you're any type of a creative person you need constructive criticism for personal evaluation.

And while I take the criticism of those who stare down at me with indifferent eyes an dismissive attitudes, and I listen to the suggestions they make about elements of my work that are so 'obvious and jarring to them', I don't necessarily like them. I mean they make me better at what I do but I am comfortable in the fact that when I make a suggestion to someone about their work, I do it with a smile, and personal strength aside, I try not to make them feel less of a creative person for doing so.

[Downhere]

Yeah cause the clicking is music to their ears? lol.

[ComicQueen]

Comic Queen, I understand some of you points and reasoning, but do you have any concrete proof to back up your allegations, other than Laz's educational timeframe and GA knowledge?

What that isn't enough? In most communities just one would be evidence enough.

You may not want to acknowledge that and that's perfectly fine. I just don't believe it and I do find it insulting for the professional friends of mine that do this line of work. All of LAZ's twisting stories didn't help his case. I'm not here to place him on trial but I do want to prevent others from attempting to do such a thing on other boards.

This may not be a big deal to you but for me it's a very big deal because I find many Post Prod. wannabes trying to take claim for what I do. I only want to return the favor to those that do work in this industry.


I have read your past posts, and while they do have some positive comments, they are grossly overshadowed by your negative ones. It may just be your way of cummunicating...I know emotions tend to get the better of us when something we are passionate about comes into light...Just keep in mind that what you say does affect others and that your word choice can, at times, hold too harsh a connotation. That is all...I am not trying to flame you or anything of that matter. I am simply trying to politely criticize your own criticisms, and infrom you of their affects on readers. Nothing more.


Negative always outweighs the positive. What you look as negative I look as constructive. If I didn't care I wouldn't have responded with such care and direction. Like I said before I could have given the typical "Troll" response but I chose not to. I tried to remedy it as I would with anyone else. Visually speaking this work coming from a professional should look as such. Laz's work has been anything but subpar. That may sound cruel to you but if you've visited DevianARt or many other artistic communities you'd know where I'm coming from. There are people on there that are really talented GA's and GA's that have a degree and job in those industries. I've had some of them whip me up something within a matter of 10 minutes that looks brilliant.

Coming from an Amatuer background and practically very little knowledge, Laz should have been easy to defend his case. All he claims is a time limit that too has changed like his Degree and his knowledge of acronyms.

I don't mean to start a flame war but I will defend the GA's title from being passed around and raped like "Fresh Meat" in a maximum security prison.

[newwaveboy87]

I swear some people just love the sound of their own... typing?

(Sorry, way harsh, my bad)

haha.
:p :up:

[littyx]

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.
It's official, we've got a detective on our hands folks!

[ComicQueen]

i feel as if i should say something, cause i started this whole mess...well here it is, ComicQueen leave Laz alone. please - you may think you're being negative, harsh, or rather arrogant but it appears this way to numerous other people. and while you may not care about what others think of you, it'd be nice if these boards would go back to treating posters in a civilized manner. that would definitely be ideal.

The "leave LAZ" alone excuse is quite silly don't you think? I'm not here to punish him nor harass him. I've posted my criticism that someone took to another level of ridiculousness. I haven't done anything but give very detail critique and for some reason that's labeled me as a bad person. I've treated Laz and many others in a civilized matter. You may not think so but I could have been very cruel in my critique but held back.

Somewhere along the line you thought I was being overly meanspirited when I've already explained my reasoning.

even Laz has said you're critiques are bordering on too cruel. and when the artist has said you've gone too far, i do believe it's time to cut back. this thread wasn't meant to showcase the second coming of super-amazing-look-at-my-god-like-skills GA, but merely a pleasant area where we could look upon the manips. both good and bad. it was meant to be an all encompassing place for art. if you don't like it bite your tongue and move on. if there is something that you do like, tell them - and if you feel it is necessary for someone to make changes, do it as politely as possible.

My initial issue was to just critique his work but now that this conversation "went there". I decide to out this ugly claim of Laz' to task. All of the conversation that we had thus far has proven Laz has very little knowledge of the GA industry and has twisted his stories several times within this thread. I would have thought after the "Ricky" fiasco people would have learned. I don't mind that people are wanting to play around with graphics and learn that's what I was hoping this thread would turn into but Laz made the biggest mistake for claiming to be something professionally that he so obviously isn't. I've seen too many of these board members (not just SHH) come on here claiming to be something artistic that they aren't.

I'll proudly say that I'm an novice to this industry but know enough to critique and remedy certain artworks. There is a whole other level that is way beyond what I know this is the level Laz should be in but instead he's more at the novice level.

Somehow you are defending and accepting this subpar art due to an excuse that really doesn't retain. Anyone that is in this line of work for as long as he claimed (now that story has changed) and with the amount of schooling would be demonstrating an amazing amount of work on here. Even within 15 mintues we'd have seen a gargantuan amount of talent from him but there hasn't been anything here that has proven otherwise. Somehow you've chosen to just believe him as you did with RickyH. I see a trend here.


this thread was made by the fans for the fans. these aren't meant to garner earnings or anything along those lines. it's just supposed to be a pleasant place.

let us return it to that. and please Laz - if there's a new manip, i'd love to see it. and personally, i believe you, thus far you haven't given me a lot of doubt. i am not one too judge your life or think that i know everything. people are different, and where they end up and how they got there change. i got your back buddy.

It should be and my criticism shouldn't be taken personally only professionally. Your problem or anger seems personal rather than the issue at hand. If this had been another board LAZ would have been seriously taken to task. Like I mentioned before, you don't have a problem with someone running around with false claims but I do. Especially when it comes to taking on a professional title.

I didn't want to judge his life and I still don't but when he mentioned how long he went to school, work etc... none of it added up. Especially coming from those schools of choice. Especially in New York City.

[Lazmarquez]

i think this is absolutley getting to be very hurtful being in my position of this. I'm quite frankly very sick of being called a fraud. I have done nothing but give you answers to the confusion you have presented to me. All that I have done on these boards is post my artwork, not once have I claimed to be something I am not, nor have i EVER mistreated or spoken up to one person on these boards. I have treated everyone with respect, you included ComicQueen. My story is neither fake nor convoluted, and I have very specifically laid it out. You have taken a sudden stance as protector of the Graphic Artist name, but why? Why have you chosen to push me into a corner? I'm creating here. Nothing else. I'd really appreciate if you just backed off of me, and let me be in peace. I would never do this to you, no matter how my feelings after this conversation have changed toward you. If I respect you, why is it so hard to respect me? Instead of attempting to take away the one thing I enjoy on these boards?

[Karategirlx2001]

*sigh*

Whatever you wish Comic Queen...Your opinion is your own (even while it does represent others) and mine, and the rest of the communities', are their own. So I declare a truce. We can simply agree that we disagree. I won't intrude on yours, if you don't intrude on mine, or theirs. This argument has gone far enough and has already surpassed certain boundaries. You have made your point. So, let it rest. You think Laz illegitimate. Fine. But don't rub it in his and our faces. Do it privately in PMs or something. All you are serving to do is just further aggitate an already festering wound, so I cease it here.

Now please, can we get back to actually posting some artwork?

[Neto Magnus]

hey, ComicQueen did you get my PM?

[gap5ewl]

finally some action in the manips thread! i was waiting for this. the halle/ storm thread was getting boring.

[JP]

ComicQueen has a vaguely familiar essence that screams an old poster that we all know.

[ComicQueen]

*sigh*

Whatever you wish Comic Queen...Your opinion is your own (even while it does represent others) and mine, and the rest of the communities', are their own. So I declare a truce. We can simply agree that we disagree. I won't intrude on yours, if you don't intrude on mine, or theirs. This argument has gone far enough and has already surpassed certain boundaries. You have made your point. So, let it rest. You think Laz illegitimate. Fine. But don't rub it in his and our faces. Do it privately in PMs or something. All you are serving to do is just further aggitate an already festering wound, so I cease it here.

Now please, can we get back to actually posting some artwork?

Absolutely.

Deal. :up: :up:

[Lazmarquez]

My initial issue was to just critique his work but now that this conversation "went there". I decide to out this ugly claim of Laz' to task. All of the conversation that we had thus far has proven Laz has very little knowledge of the GA industry and has twisted his stories several times within this thread. I would have thought after the "Ricky" fiasco people would have learned. I don't mind that people are wanting to play around with graphics and learn that's what I was hoping this thread would turn into but Laz made the biggest mistake for claiming to be something professionally that he so obviously isn't. I've seen too many of these board members (not just SHH) come on here claiming to be something artistic that they aren't.

I'll proudly say that I'm an novice to this industry but know enough to critique and remedy certain artworks. There is a whole other level that is way beyond what I know this is the level Laz should be in but instead he's more at the novice level.

Somehow you are defending and accepting this subpar art due to an excuse that really doesn't retain. Anyone that is in this line of work for as long as he claimed (now that story has changed) and with the amount of schooling would be demonstrating an amazing amount of work on here. Even within 15 mintues we'd have seen a gargantuan amount of talent from him but there hasn't been anything here that has proven otherwise. Somehow you've chosen to just believe him as you did with RickyH. I see a trend here.


... Did I ever mention I worked for FOX as X3 Designer? I do Manips, for a message board for fun... *sigh*

[ComicQueen]

i think this is absolutley getting to be very hurtful being in my position of this. I'm quite frankly very sick of being called a fraud. I have done nothing but give you answers to the confusion you have presented to me. All that I have done on these boards is post my artwork, not once have I claimed to be something I am not, nor have i EVER mistreated or spoken up to one person on these boards. I have treated everyone with respect, you included ComicQueen. My story is neither fake nor convoluted, and I have very specifically laid it out. You have taken a sudden stance as protector of the Graphic Artist name, but why? Why have you chosen to push me into a corner? I'm creating here. Nothing else. I'd really appreciate if you just backed off of me, and let me be in peace. I would never do this to you, no matter how my feelings after this conversation have changed toward you. If I respect you, why is it so hard to respect me? Instead of attempting to take away the one thing I enjoy on these boards?


Will do from now on. :up: :cool:

[newwaveboy87]

ComicQueen has a vaguely familiar essence that screams an old poster that we all know.

a name would nice. cause as i've said before, all of the old posters that come back with new names all project the same ol' same ol'.

[ComicQueen]

... Did I ever mention I worked for FOX as X3 Designer? I do Manips, for a message board for fun... *sigh*

I am quite positive you do. very cool :up:

[newwaveboy87]

i'm sorry this got so hurtful, and personal Laz. truly. i do enjoy your work, and respect you for your creative eye and talent.

and eloquently put Karategirl. i could not agree more so with you.

and ComicQueen, i never believed Ricky. i wanted to, but never allowed myself to believe him so completely.

and now can we please return to some showcasing of nice manips.

[afmvdp]

[QUOTE=ComicQueen]Uh Oh !! The Grammar Nazi [QUOTE]

Wow, never knew bad grammar caused mass genocide. Distateful at best. Increase your vocab darlin.

And regarding the art criticisms, until you start posting anything of a superior quality to what you are criticizing your words appear pale and without valor.

[newwaveboy87]

afmdvp - please let us leave it alone now. it's over and done with.

[afmvdp]

the art issue really has little meaning to me, that has been argued enough.

My main reason for commenting was the misuse of the word Nazi that's all too common among people who try to make points without the maturity or intelligence to understand how absurd it's usage is.

[newwaveboy87]

i concur with you on the usage of the word/term/phrase "Nazi". but please no more arguing with her about anything. let's leave it all behind us, and keep it peaceful.

pwwwwease!?

[WormyT]

i'd love to see posters hinting to xavier/jean tension/battles, so i made another one.. lol here ya go :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/xavier.jpg
Sweet Laz!!
VERY impressive.
That Logo works great, and tilted sideways like that.
The way you darkened the frame to resemble a faint X works very nicely.

You know, sometimes I give pointers but I try my hardest to not sound condesending. But from what I've read in the last few pages with regards to an individuals "Critiques" I can TOTALLY understand why you got annoyed. It was almost as if this person was purposely trying to test you.
The NERVE of some people.

Anyway I'm going to hopefully post something soon. I've been sooooo busy.

Keep drawing, keep inspiring!

-wt

[SuperBoon]

Hi,

If anyone want's to use my logo in their manip's (the one in Lazs' most recent manip), feel free, you can find different variant's on page 26 of this thread, there are also other logo's on page 28, all produced using 3DS Max (a particular interest of mine:) ). Also for anyone that's interested the X3 teaser poster was created using 3DS Max as was the Superman Returns Poster, I read the Conceptual designers thread on another forum.

-SB

[bosef982]

That's your personal problem.

No, it's a manner of objective perspective.

[bosef982]

the art issue really has little meaning to me, that has been argued enough.

My main reason for commenting was the misuse of the word Nazi that's all too common among people who try to make points without the maturity or intelligence to understand how absurd it's usage is.

Oh please, let off her usage of that word. Nazi is a legitimate political term. It would be a historical inaccuracy to graph the actions of Hitler totally and absoultey into the singular term Nazi, which is in fact an acronymn in the first place. Not to sound horrible un-PC, but the term "Grammar Nazi" is hardly a critiquable usage. It's a description of a hardline stance on grammar , with hardline extremity being a characteristic of the Nazi party, extreme right-wing. Past that, the connotations between Grammar Nazi and historical Nazi stops. She does not mean Hitler nazism, with people who don't know the difference between dangling modifers and comma splices being murdered in mass numbers.

If you want to disagree or argue or debate with Comic Queen, debate her on the facts pertinent to the topic on hand. Not trivalities such as the above.

[Psionic Force]

Awesome new posters Laz! Always look forward to your posters/creations!

And one last thing I want to say/suggest on Comic Queen.... can't someone just ban her? I mean, since day one, all of the post she has made have been negative and/or rude! We don't need someone like that here. The board was a better place w/o her!

Now ... back on topic! :D

[Jan Irisi]

Awesome new posters Laz! Always look forward to your posters/creations!

And one last thing I want to say/suggest on Comic Queen.... can't someone just ban her? I mean, since day one, all of the post she has made have been negative and/or rude! We don't need someone like that here. The board was a better place w/o her!

Now ... back on topic! :D

Just for future referrence here. Comic Queen is a user who has been banned (numerous times) in the past. It is obvious from her posts in this thread that her sole purpose was to target someone and start a fight. This has happened before. It is best that everyone simply ignore her, do not respond to her, or better yet, put her on ignore so that her posts will not be seen.

[prince_charming]

Worked on a Logan Wallpaper ... *sigh*

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2969/wolvieloganwallpaper5tv.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvieloganwallpaper5tv.jpg)

Isn't he just beautiful. Too beautiful for words *swoooon!*

Enjoy!

Just a couple of things.
Logan is to bright for the picture, if the light was coming from the 3, the part of Logan that we see would be rather dark. Speaking of that 3 it is not very visible you should definately try again, make it darker! The edges around Logan look horrible, it looks like a cheap special effect, like it was taken in front of a green screen but you can definately tell its not real. Look at the way Laz works with edges of the characters he uses. The font at the bottom of the page is horrible, it reminds us nothing of the character and is very unproffesional looking! Try again, the way you talk you should be a regular Leonardo DaVinci!

[SuperBoon]

I don't think there's any need for 'critique' around here of any kind is there? looking around the thread the manips that have been created seem to be just for fun and to share with other fans of the upcoming movie, but I can only speak for myself, as the logo's that I created where simply just for fun and to share with people who like to make photo manipulations, people like Laz who has used my logo's on a couple of his creations, which a good few of you have enjoyed, so keep creating and sharing, and please no more nit-picking over other peoples art :up:

-SB

[_BB_]

SB i love that logo you've made. Which program did you use?

[afmvdp]

Oh please, let off her usage of that word. Nazi is a legitimate political term. It would be a historical inaccuracy to graph the actions of Hitler totally and absoultey into the singular term Nazi, which is in fact an acronymn in the first place. Not to sound horrible un-PC, but the term "Grammar Nazi" is hardly a critiquable usage. It's a description of a hardline stance on grammar , with hardline extremity being a characteristic of the Nazi party, extreme right-wing. Past that, the connotations between Grammar Nazi and historical Nazi stops. She does not mean Hitler nazism, with people who don't know the difference between dangling modifers and comma splices being murdered in mass numbers.

If you want to disagree or argue or debate with Comic Queen, debate her on the facts pertinent to the topic on hand. Not trivalities such as the above.

one of the most ignorant things I've read on this board since the "ultimate colossus is gay" thread. Congrats! Thanks for being the context al qaeda :up:

[bosef982]

one of the most ignorant things I've read on this board since the "ultimate colossus is gay" thread. Congrats! Thanks for being the context al qaeda :up:

I'm ignorant? Yet you respond to a post with a flippant, self-relative remark that does nothing more than offer pedantic sarcasm attempting to be guised as something of a self-evident retort. Please...try again.

There are certains terms that can be used. Nazism was an extreme right-wing movement that PREDATED Hitler. If I am ignorant for stating a historical fact, then I am ignorant for stating a historical fact. The Worker's Party, which arose prior to Hitler's introduction, and made great gains as a legitmate right-wing party within the government WITHOUT Hitler's assitance, represented an extreme right-wing view of German society. They were hallmarked by a unique stubborness and extremism. They were, for lack of a better comparison, the Evangelical Right Wing movement of America today in terms of fervor, not substance.

After Hitler was sent into the organization by the German gov't to investigate them (some believed the infant Nazi party had Communist tendancies ironically), Hitler blended in. Yet, he, like many Germans at the time desperate and feeling burdened by what is a historically regarded unfair Treaty of Versailles, was drawn to the nationalist (extreme) message of the Worker's Party. He quickly grew friends, moving his way up and then painted HIS horrible anti-semetic views (which were gotten by such men as Karl Lueger, Austrian Mayor I blieve who was a raging anti-semetic, amongst others). Hitler, within the Nazi Party, NOT THE NAZI PARTY, utlized their message and redirected it against the Jews and lower class, speaking to the large middle class that was struggling in the depression. A prime tool was the use of the fear of Communists (the poor would plunder the middle and high class in a revolution) to gain votes. And they did.

Now, don't act like being anti-semetic's a crime back then. We are kind and leinent to our own forefather's patent racism against Indians and Blacks. I see no reason why we should be tolerant of German anti-semintism, since it was racist trend shared in both France, England, and EVEN AMERICA at the time. Yes, America had a large anti-semetic population. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying, brandishing the term Nazi in this respect would be the equivelant to throwing the term Democrat out of the book and call it un-PC jsut because they were part of the Confederates during hte Civil War. It must be judged in the context of the times -- anti-semitism was rampant back then.

Even still, the NAZI part as a whole outside of Hitler instituted programs that, despite whatever sentimenal value you wish to block it with, did produce changes inside the country. Recreational programs, mandatory educational programs were all cornerstones of the Nazi platform -- devised by Nazi leaders who could care less about hating Jews. Did you know Nazis were one of the first to institute warnings against smoking? Anyways, so, overall, Nazi's introduced legislation that would buffer the birth rate (Victorian idealism saw a nations population a sign of virility) clean up a war impoverished Germany. It succeeded for the most part, was HAILED in the United STates for doing so. Being that these "lower Nazi" officials worked hard to do this, Hitler, now firmly in place as the Nazi figurehead, was able to take all the credit.

It was Hitler's goals that later polluted the image of Nazism. What he did...was it wrong? Of course, no one argues about that. Just as it was wrong for Stalin to exterminate millions of his own countrymen to save his nation. Just as it was wrong of America to nearly exterminate, on a plan that Hitler could only dream of (of course, we had more time) an entire race of indigenous people over the course of two centuries. Yep, just as wrong. However, does that mean the term Nazi, Communist, and American should forever be stained bythose extreme, misguided individuals who so happened to pervert the platform of said groups into something that would allow their own agendas to be realized?

I would say no. For the sake of comfortable and American-centric history, Germany in WWII and WWI have been painted in a less nuanced picture than is really due. There are nuances, their are gray areas, and just becaues they make people uncomfortable, doesn't mean history doesn't acknowledge them as existing. How many NAZIS tried to kill Hitler? Many, some actually tried, like Schrofenberg (horrid spelling, I forget) a one handed (and even that hand was deformed) war veteran who planted a bomb in Hitler's country villa. It exploded, HItler lived by the grace of a large table leg. Hitler than promptly executed these men for their "crimes". Now, did these men and others throw in their Nazi badges. No, they felt the ideas of Nazism (right-wing socialism I guess you could say) were right for Germany. But they felt that Hitler was becoming immoral (many Germans and Nazis alike were disgusted by the concentration camps). Also, one cannot underestimate the impact of psychology in how such horrible crimes could have happened in the first place against Jews.

Very litle of what happened in concentration camps between 1939-1945 had to do with Nazism. It had to do with Hitler, his gang of thugs, and the influence of "groupthink" on scared, desperate, penniless masses.

It has really become time for WWII to join the rest of those historical events that we review objectively with the littlest traces of sentimentality possible, and the highest amounts of devotion to truth present. If the latter is followed, you'd find yourself much more conflicted on what actually happened in WII, instead of indignantly comfortable of the fact that you live in a former allied nation that is so above those things done in Germany. If you honestly think you do, you are the one who is igonrant.

[tylerdurden_890]

just got done with a manip of josh holloway as gambit. i have done one of him before but heres a new one. i hope you like it http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif . please tell your thoughts.
here it is:
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/4897/sawyerisgambit75iw.png

[afmvdp]

Yes there certainly was far more to the history of the NSDAP, but they elected Hitler because he embodied their facist beliefs. Just as the swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. The undeniable fact of the matter though is NOW, in the present, the word Nazi or Nazism is associated to most with the dictatorship of Nazi Germany by Hitler from '33 to '45, just as is the same with the symbol of the swastika. Don't know about you but I don't see too many greeting cards being released with a swastika for good luck on them anymore, nor do we see any current German Socialists wanting to be associated with Nazis. There's a reason for this, despite of what it WAS it has changed in public image into what it IS.

But sure, you're right, guess time heals all wounds right? should I tell that to my great grandparents that died in the camps? Yeah.. just get over it, it's been what, 60 years, just let it go already!

Btw, does this also mean we can forget the crusades, spanish inquisition, the decimation of the native americans, american slave trade of asian and african people. Hell, we live in a fast paced world, 9-11 was already like what 4 years ago? that's almost half a decade? That's longer than most popstars careers. So let's just call the whole thing forgotten.

the saddest thing is how much you're completely oblivious to your lack of understanding. It is only by remembering the past that we can ever hope to learn from it. The apathy all too common with people these days is the most obvious signs of our social decay. Btw, it's easy for anyone to cut and paste, go read a few books for yourself first.

[SuperBoon]

SB i love that logo you've made. Which program did you use?

Hi BB, The software that I am using is 3D Studio max 7, this is CGI software and has been used for loads of different things from movies : The Matrix trilogies special effects ie the burly brawl in reloaded - To games : Metal gear solid 3 & 2 - To posters : Xmen 3 teaser poster and the Superman Returns poster and loads more.

-SB

[WormyT]

Why are people fighting about what someone said("Nazi"), about what another person said, about another person.
LOL!
This is a manip thread, not Hannity and Combes.
;)

[SuperBoon]

Why are people fighting about what someone said, about what another person said, about another person.
LOL!
This is a manip thread, not Hannity and Combes.
;)

yeah, it's getting really strange in here, anyway who wants to argue about the price of bread:rolleyes:

[N_z0]

Hi BB, The software that I am using is 3D Studio max 7, this is CGI software and has been used for loads of different things from movies : The Matrix trilogies special effects ie the burly brawl in reloaded - To games : Metal gear solid 3 & 2 - To posters : Xmen 3 teaser poster and the Superman Returns poster and loads more.

-SB

Have you tried Softimage XSI? I gotta say it's much better for modeling than Maya and 3d max. I just don't get why companies don't use the program, when they (including their employees) acknowledge its superiority over the other two. :confused: I wanna learn Zbrush tho.

[SuperBoon]

Have you tried Softimage XSI? I gotta say it's much better for modeling than Maya and 3d max. I just don't get why companies don't use the program, when they (including their employees) acknowledge its superiority over the other two. :confused: I wanna learn Zbrush tho.

Wasn't XSI used for Fantastic Four? I actually got Max as a gift so I'll stick with that for now (you probably know this software doesn't come cheap!!) As far as Zbrush goes, until I get fully trained with max I'll probably leave it for now, but it's supposedly top notch for displacement maps and such, great for photo realistic modelling apparently.

-SB

[bosef982]

Yes there certainly was far more to the history of the NSDAP, but they elected Hitler because he embodied their facist beliefs. Just as the swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. The undeniable fact of the matter though is NOW, in the present, the word Nazi or Nazism is associated to most with the dictatorship of Nazi Germany by Hitler from '33 to '45, just as is the same with the symbol of the swastika. Don't know about you but I don't see too many greeting cards being released with a swastika for good luck on them anymore, nor do we see any current German Socialists wanting to be associated with Nazis. There's a reason for this, despite of what it WAS it has changed in public image into what it IS.

But sure, you're right, guess time heals all wounds right? should I tell that to my great grandparents that died in the camps? Yeah.. just get over it, it's been what, 60 years, just let it go already!

Btw, does this also mean we can forget the crusades, spanish inquisition, the decimation of the native americans, american slave trade of asian and african people. Hell, we live in a fast paced world, 9-11 was already like what 4 years ago? that's almost half a decade? That's longer than most popstars careers. So let's just call the whole thing forgotten.

the saddest thing is how much you're completely oblivious to your lack of understanding. It is only by remembering the past that we can ever hope to learn from it. The apathy all too common with people these days is the most obvious signs of our social decay. Btw, it's easy for anyone to cut and paste, go read a few books for yourself first.

Did I say to forget it? Did I say to swipe it all under the rug? No. I did not. I'm telling your grandparents to get over it. But what I am saying is that one a segment of a larger whole cannot become the medium by which the whole is judged. We hear this when African-Americans get angry at "White People" as if all "white people" are responsible for that issue. Many white people get frusterated over this -- they didn't do anything or couldn't do anything about it. So, we make allowances, we make understandings, and we assimilate the nuances of history into our perceptions of those events. We say racist whites, we say imperalist Americans, we say religous fanatics -- we don't say Whites, Americans, or Christians. What happened in Germany was horrific, yes, no one denies this. However, there are matters of historical truth that supercede whatever emotional appeal you or I could make to graft all Nazis and all Germans into some categorical perjorative.

Don't take offense where there isn't any -- don't search for wrongs when what I'm doing, what I've always done, is to seek to understand the truth of history (I study history in school, what I'm going to be, professor) with as little as bias as possible -- that's emotional, national, personal, spiritual, whatever.

But if I were to come up to you and say, "You know what, f-k white people! White people, Souther Whites, Republicans killed my acnestors and blew up those four little girls in that Burmingham church! White people are evil!" You would say, hey now, you're making quite a sweeping generalization there. Too which I'd say, "well, should I just get over it, tell my dead acnestors to get over it! Did you see what they did?!!" Emotional travesty does not alter historical truth.

It is not Nazism's problem that it is associated with Hitler and his actions during WWII. It is history's problem that it is STILL associate ONLY with that and that a fuller picture to this day isn't been painted.

And it's a falsity that the way we learn how to not make the mistakes of the past is to remember and not forget them. I don't even agree with the phrase "the only thing we learn from the past is that we learn nothing from the past". I think, the only thing we learn from the past, is how to do it better and not get caught next time. Review history closely -- especially American history -- this all we do.

I don't mean offesne to you, dude. And you're making me slide out of my comic booky talk into my history writer's voice which on here, comes off fairly pretentious and egotistical, which I like to think I'm anything but. Tragedy's everywhere, but I think, to make it better, we have to see the balance, the nuances (I love that word!) to everything. The plight of the African- American in America is not AS bad when we take into account how many whites were truly attempting to help -- not enough -- but some. Those Moira MacTaggerts and Nick Furys are what we need to focus on. IN the Nazi party, people may shoot me for this, there were heroes as well as villians. Thus, I feel, there is no single brush to paint a truly accurate picture of the Nazis -- it's far too complex for that. And emotional tramau, emotional appeals (which are logical fallacies) cannot alter the canvas on which history is painted.

You know, Hitler killed homosexuals by the truckloads as well. Yet, I can say these things. You may say, well they weren't your ancestors. Or not as many as the Jews! You may not say it like that -- but you'd say perhaps, "It's not the same" -- that's safe. But, see -- can you really relegate tragedy and genocide to mere numbers. Do we say, at 10,000, it's genocide. Or do we view it as concepts. By that nature, what happened to Jews, elderly, handicap, homosexuals was all the same -- you can't compare pain like that. So, you throw your grandparents at me, I could -- COULD -- throw my seuxlaity at you, or my race really. But those are immaterial to the fact of WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

Now, I step down from my soapbox, patt you on the shoulder, smile and tell, "I never meant offense, just try to understand where I'm coming from..."

[newwaveboy87]

STOP THE FIGHTING!

this is far off topic it's not even funny. drop it, both of you. i don't want to see this thread closed down.

please.

[N_z0]

Wasn't XSI used for Fantastic Four? I actually got Max as a gift so I'll stick with that for now (you probably know this software doesn't come cheap!!) As far as Zbrush goes, until I get fully trained with max I'll probably leave it for now, but it's supposedly top notch for displacement maps and such, great for photo realistic modelling apparently.

-SB

The Matrix films wasn't just exclusively done on Max, they also used Soft. Anyways, i understand the hesitation, seeing as you actually bought the licensed version. :D Also, i haven't touched Max since highschool, so i'm not really one to talk. :p

zbrush intrigues me in that it has a unique interface and it makes you feel like you're actually sculpting the model as opposed to just moving points/polys around. The negative though in having a program like Zbrush is its difficulty in making models from scratch. You still have to import basic models from programs like max/maya/soft. At my previous work, models were done in Maya, textured in Photoshop, but polished in Zbrush, and i'm telling you, it really adds some depth to the characters, that ao map does wonders.

just curious, is it also called 'Zed'-brush in the US or is that just in British colonies? :p

[afmvdp]

bosef you're way off base, but I'm dropping this here. You want to debate this out, check my profile for contacts and I'll be more than happy to point out why you're wrong. This just isn't the place and it's gone on too long already.

[tedw]

Wasn't XSI used for Fantastic Four? I actually got Max as a gift so I'll stick with that for now (you probably know this software doesn't come cheap!!) As far as Zbrush goes, until I get fully trained with max I'll probably leave it for now, but it's supposedly top notch for displacement maps and such, great for photo realistic modelling apparently.

-SB

Try becoming a student or working at a university ;) My campus store offers its students and staff discounts on software, so for example, Maya - which is listed at the program's official site as costing a few thou - sells for a few hundred. Talk about a discount!

I've played with Zbrush but it's kinda weird for making a new model, to echo N_z0.

[N_z0]

but isn't that an Educational version meaning it's not the Full version of the program...or you can just get the crack version. :D

[afmvdp]

in most cases the educational version is EXACTLY the same as a full version of software. Somtimes there are minor differences such as no retail box or digital only manual, but 90% of the time there is no actual capability differences. Heck you can often even get educational discounts on hardware if you know where to search.

[N_z0]

in most cases the educational version is EXACTLY the same as a full version of software. Somtimes there are minor differences such as no retail box or digital only manual, but 90% of the time there is no actual capability differences. Heck you can often even get educational discounts on hardware if you know where to search.

You're probably right. I never really bothered looking into Educational versions coz even with the discounts it's still too much dough...and really nothing beats getting it for free.

[MoPlaYa]

I cant wait until 11-30-05!! :marv:

[-Æ-]

Here is something i did for the "Goddess" Thread. Decided to post it on here since its a small manip, wasn't that difficult. Done in Photoshop CS2 and FX8.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/megami.jpg

Japanese text spells out Megami or "Goddess".

[Lazmarquez]

Just finished this Illustration/Vector Design I fiddled with of Jean Grey. :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/vectorpho.jpg

[JP]

Its so... funky tokyo pop. Me likes.

[C_T]

Not much of a manip here, more like messing around with the colors. Tried giving her the X-men animated series cartoon uniform look, but in a not so bright, I look like a clown kind of way. Tried keeping it subtle. Tweaked the hair a bit too. Made it whiter. Again subtle. Also, I was going to give this a background image, but I got lazy.

Laz...I enjoy your work by the way. Great stuff.

http://webpages.charter.net/lostindividual/x_men_rogue_manip.jpg

[Psionic Force]

Awesome Laz! It is my new desktop!

[Lazmarquez]

Here's a Different Design approach with the same vector I used in the last Manip I created.



http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/vectorpho2.jpg

[newwaveboy87]

i like how it looks like you took a Pontiac firebird's logo and put Jean's head on it

tres cool

[salad fingers]

Can anybody get the pic of phoenix in the lake at the end of X2.

PLEASE

[Lazmarquez]

Here's another Illustration of Jean/Famke.. I've been on an Illustrator kick lately, hence all of the Vector Manips :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/vectorpho3.jpg

-Laz:xmen:

[WormyT]

I Like it.

WT

[xwolverine2]

nice but..................................wierd.


she looks like a pigeon!........lol....j/k

[Psionic Force]

Laz, will you be making a wall with that Jean face, like in the RIP wall, and the 'Ashes to Ashes' wall and give her the red eyes? But w/o the RIP? Maybe like the first vector you made of Jean, but with red fire eyes.

[newwaveboy87]

Here's another Illustration of Jean/Famke.. I've been on an Illustrator kick lately, hence all of the Vector Manips :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/vectorpho3.jpg

-Laz:xmen:

that's too COOL!

[Lazmarquez]

Laz, will you be making a wall with that Jean face, like in the RIP wall, and the 'Ashes to Ashes' wall and give her the red eyes? But w/o the RIP? Maybe like the first vector you made of Jean, but with red fire eyes.
Hey again, I can definetly try a wallpaper with a darker phoenix tone, i'll get to that as soon as i can. :-D

[Psionic Force]

awesome! :D

[_BB_]

Laz, that last pic is amazing! Easily one of my favourites :up:

[Lazmarquez]

Hey psionic, decided to do it really quickly before i left work, so here you go, hope this is what you were looking for.. :-)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/dark.jpg

[Specter313]

Do you take requests, Laz? Would you be able to do something with Dania Ramirez as Marrow, like seen here:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6997068&postcount=144

I've got others as well, but they may take you a while.

[afmvdp]

new background image obtained, damn fine work man

[Psionic Force]

Awesome Laz! Thanks so much! Looking forward to all that you post!

[-Æ-]

Nice vector manips Larz, Illustrator RULEZ

[Lobster Charlie]

Wow, that's really cool! Laz, the only thing I'd do on your *original* drawing (the pink one) is just tool the colors towards something more firey. Keep the EXACT same drawing, and just use oranges, reds, and yellows? I dunno, something to play with. Other than that, its great!

I STILL haven't the patience to toy with Illustrator.

[Neto Magnus]

A lil sumthin sumthin in light of today's news...

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/7169/x3magnetosonnylucifer020ad.jpg

[GNR]

Neato Neto!!

[N_z0]

What program do you use Neto? You should add some shadows if you've got the time. :)

...Paris chokes on Pen..cil? :p

[Neto Magnus]

What program do you use Neto? You should add some shadows if you've got the time. :)

...Paris chokes on Pen..cil? :p

If you need to know I use an old ass Ulead Photo Express. I don't know how to use PhotoShop, it's too complicated.

I tried putting shadows of Mags and some cars but it didn't come out right so I nixed it.

and she chokes on Peni...cillin

[Lazmarquez]

i like that a lot neto :) great job! The paris thing is hilarious. nice touch.
i'm sure if you used photoshop, you'd get the hang of it quickly, it only seems intimidating. but its not . once again, great job!

[Neto Magnus]

i like that a lot neto :) great job! The paris thing is hilarious. nice touch.
i'm sure if you used photoshop, you'd get the hang of it quickly, it only seems intimidating. but its not . once again, great job!

thanks, but the program I use is ALOT easier for me and it took me about 5 yrs to master it. I don't think I have that much time for PS. Although I am planning on going to a graphic arts school so I hope to learn it there.

btw, can you do me a favor Laz? if it's not too much trouble, can you add some shadows to mags and some of the cars and make the whole thing look tv-ish by adding some reception lines?

[_BB_]

lmao, thats great neto :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I love love love the Paris Peninisula comment. :D

[C_T]

Psylocke

http://webpages.charter.net/lostindividual/x_men_psylocke_manip.jpg

[Endeavor]

Nice! Who is that, Malthe?

[Electrix]

Cool effects :up:

[MoiBijou]

Malthe is my choice for Betsy. Cool, CT!

[BT18]

I think that's Kelly Hu

[BigMac]

Yum, yum

[MattC]

A lil sumthin sumthin in light of today's news...

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/7169/x3magnetosonnylucifer020ad.jpg

Great job, that is so cool! :D

[Dr Doom]

Here's another Illustration of Jean/Famke.. I've been on an Illustrator kick lately, hence all of the Vector Manips :)

http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/vectorpho3.jpg

-Laz:xmen:
LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE SHOT HER WHILE HUNTING AND PUT HER HEAD ON THE WALL.

[_BB_]

Psylocke

http://webpages.charter.net/lostindividual/x_men_psylocke_manip.jpg

:eek: I love you

[Lazmarquez]

thanks, but the program I use is ALOT easier for me and it took me about 5 yrs to master it. I don't think I have that much time for PS. Although I am planning on going to a graphic arts school so I hope to learn it there.

btw, can you do me a favor Laz? if it's not too much trouble, can you add some shadows to mags and some of the cars and make the whole thing look tv-ish by adding some reception lines?

i'll definetly do it for ya, just give me till tommorow, i have a full plate of requests going on lol.. :-)

[Lazmarquez]

LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE SHOT HER WHILE HUNTING AND PUT HER HEAD ON THE WALL.

haha! i guess it does look a little like that.. LOL

[Dr Doom]

IT'S STILL GREAT, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE AN ASS.

[ComicQueen]

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9527/phoenixrising4cl.th.jpg (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phoenixrising4cl.jpg)

Here's another contribution, inspired by JeanGrey GR from another thread.

EDIT: Forgot to make it as a thumbnail. sorry.

[newwaveboy87]

why does her pupil look like a guitar pick?

[ComicQueen]

why does her pupil look like a guitar pick?

I have no idea. Just the way the "flames" light up the eyes.

[newwaveboy87]

hmmm...interesting...

[ComicQueen]

Thank you ;)

[afmvdp]

the font choice and colors really don't go very well with the eye make the date unreadable and phoenix rising blurry. Also not certain why you put X-Men III like that, it doesn't look like anything Fox has released so far.

And what is the reflection in the eyes supposed to be? I'd either bring it out a bit more defined or get rid of it all together. Also I'd redo your lens flare or highlighting around the bottom right of the pupil because with the lighting of the rest of the eye it is just appears very unnatural. It's a good try, but it certainly needs a bit of work.

[newwaveboy87]

the font choice and colors really don't go very well with the eye make the date unreadable and phoenix rising blurry. Also not certain why you put X-Men III like that, it doesn't look like anything Fox has released so far.

And what is the reflection in the eyes supposed to be? I'd either bring it out a bit more defined or get rid of it all together. Also I'd redo your lens flare or highlighting around the bottom right of the pupil because with the lighting of the rest of the eye it is just appears very unnatural. It's a good try, but it certainly needs a bit of work.

:) :up:

there truly is no need for the "Phoenix Rising" at all really truly in all honesty.

[Lazmarquez]

IT'S STILL GREAT, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE AN ASS.

no problemo, you didnt :)

[Lazmarquez]

I really like the way that wallpaper looks from far away, the thumbnail looks very sharp. I think it'd be a nifty icon or avatar.

[Lazmarquez]

Hey Neto, I did the things to your manip that you asked for really quickly, it's not perfect but it's the basic idea. hope thats what you had in mind.


http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/magstv.jpg

[ComicQueen]

And what is the reflection in the eyes supposed to be? I'd either bring it out a bit more defined or get rid of it all together.

It's in a 1024x738 res. It's pretty clear what it is.


Also I'd redo your lens flare or highlighting around the bottom right of the pupil because with the lighting of the rest of the eye it is just appears very unnatural.

LOL!! highlighting and Lens Flare is that something you just picked up today. Like the "Word of the Day". LOL! Lighting of the rest of the eye bwahahahahahahahahahaaa!!! Oh sugar you should do stand up.


It's a good try, but it certainly needs a bit of work.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That was evident in your post and your small usage of acronyms came off very badly.

Also, come with Remedies, don't come stirring trouble and trying to spew hate when you don't even give logical remedies for these.

[ComicQueen]

:) :up:

there truly is no need for the "Phoenix Rising" at all really truly in all honesty.

Of course there isn't when the eye is of the Phoneix. How could I be so blind? *back of hand to forehead*

[newwaveboy87]

must you consistently be so unpleasant?

the font is hard to read, there is no need for it, the colors are a horrible choice, and the while you may think we prefer "copy-and-paste" we actually love creativity. but to us, a lot of your stuff isn't very creative.

but i'm not having this argument again.

[ComicQueen]

must you consistently be so unpleasant?

How so when you and AMVPD came in here trying to kick up dirt for reasons other than Art. Whatever your hatred is keep it out of here. Unless you are going to give real criticism then keep quiet. Your personal issues are leaking in your posts. Stop it now.

the font is hard to read, there is no need for it, the colors are a horrible choice, and the while you may think we prefer "copy-and-paste" we actually love creativity. but to us, a lot of your stuff isn't very creative.

Font? This it the actual X3 font. Colors? What colors? It's a screenshot from the trailer. See you're not even making any sense. There isn't anything professional in your criticism and like the other guy you don't even give remedies for the issues or "flaws". Give remedies for it.

Creativity? You're issues are personal or else you wouldn't have followed me into this thread. Stop spewing venom because you look childish and give some real criticism.

but i'm not having this argument again.

I've already had a discussion with C about this. I'm not going to be banned because of your childish behavior.

[the a1ant]

hothttp://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9527/phoenixrising4cl.th.jpg (http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phoenixrising4cl.jpg)

Here's another contribution, inspired by JeanGrey GR from another thread.

EDIT: Forgot to make it as a thumbnail. sorry.

Looks nice as a thumbnail, but when shown to wallpaper size, it's quite pixelated. The X-MEN III logo is nice, but the 'Phoenix Rising' but could use a different color, IMO.

I also can't tell what the difference is between that and the screen cap from the un-used X2 'Phoenix' trailer, besides the colors being sharper :confused:

http://exponegativa.blogspot.com/2005/09/exposicin-negativa-3-capturas-del_20.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/0027.jpg

[afmvdp]

wow... misguided at best. "darling" hate to break it to you, but that piece is sub-par at best. No need to feel it's a personal attack, it just isn't a good manip, plain and simple. It's easy to pass it off as come horrible conspiracy but it really isn't, it's also not against you personally other than the fact that you have made it clear that you are a person who takes your digital art very seriously. So as such, I pointed out areas where your piece needed improvement.

Also also "darlin" even at the higher resolution it is still blurry and unreadable, maybe you should try working in something closer to 300dpi or higher so you can really do significant detail work. But if you'd rather just believe that people are out to get you rather than realizing you made a blunder, feel free to continue. You'll only make yourself look ignorant and delusional in the process though.

Lastly, it's only 6 letters, if you have trouble noticing that obvious of a detail then it's quite clear where your problems come from. Perhaps a visit to the optometrist would fare thee well?

[afmvdp]

oh no ant! You can't come out and critique her work too! Not yet! Our dark society out to rid the comic queen will be unmasked!

sheesh

[newwaveboy87]

oh no ant! You can't come out and critique her work too! Not yet! Our dark society out to rid the comic queen will be unmasked!

sheesh

gosh silly - you've just thrown back the curtain on our evil plot!
:eek:

[Lazmarquez]

hey guys, let's all just keep the peace and make sure this thread remains positive, we dont need anymore wars around here. :O

[The Original Bamfer]

Good try preventing it :up:

[ComicQueen]

hot

Looks nice as a thumbnail, but when shown to wallpaper size, it's quite pixelated. The X-MEN III logo is nice, but the 'Phoenix Rising' but could use a different color, IMO.

I'm wondering if you know its' a 1024x768 wallpaper. Maybe your res is higher, especially if you are using a Flat Panel. Maybe you are thinking it's pixelated because of the intentional blur? I'm not sure if that's what you are misunderstanding.


I also can't tell what the difference is between that and the screen cap from the un-used X2 'Phoenix' trailer, besides the colors being sharper :confused:

http://exponegativa.blogspot.com/2005/09/exposicin-negativa-3-capturas-del_20.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/a1ant/0027.jpg

Other than the cropped size cleaning up of the colors, brightening, contrast, sharpening and blurring? Not much really other than slap a couple of logos and stuff.

Motion captures are often impossible to clean. This coming from an VHS Capture is pretty difficult once you source them, embed the correct colors change it to RGB then fix all the other settings.

[the a1ant]

Hope you didn't take my comments as mean, lol. Just giving my opinions. Looks nice, and thanks for explaining further.

[ComicQueen]

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[ComicQueen]

wow... misguided at best. "darling" hate to break it to you, but that piece is sub-par at best. No need to feel it's a personal attack, it just isn't a good manip, plain and simple.


ROFLMAO!!! Oh boy your knowledge really fails you. In fact, this isn't considered a manip. It's far from being a manip, LOL!

Subpar, your recycling of my own comments is endearing but only blasts holes in your own comments. I'm enjoying the laughter.


It's easy to pass it off as come horrible conspiracy but it really isn't, it's also not against you personally other than the fact that you have made it clear that you are a person who takes your digital art very seriously. So as such, I pointed out areas where your piece needed improvement.

Sweety, your opinion means nothing considering you've used acronyms incorrectly and illogically. I take it seriously when it comes to someone who passes themself off as a Graphic Designer. I'm not and have stated that abundance of times. I'm novice at best.

Also also "darlin" even at the higher resolution it is still blurry and unreadable, maybe you should try working in something closer to 300dpi or higher so you can really do significant detail work. But if you'd rather just believe that people are out to get you rather than realizing you made a blunder, feel free to continue. You'll only make yourself look ignorant and delusional in the process though.

BWAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

OH
MY
GOD!!

The funnies continue. 300 DPI, what dictionary do you get that from? No sugah, it's wallpaper and I'd feel pity for any designer that would use 300dpi for a wallpaper or any webcontent.

LOL!


Lastly, it's only 6 letters, if you have trouble noticing that obvious of a detail then it's quite clear where your problems come from. Perhaps a visit to the optometrist would fare thee well?

*sigh*

Remedies. I don't see any remedies at all....*hears crickets*

OK sugah, I'll cut you some slack because you know even less than my novice ass. I'll give you a chance to go back to your Photoshop or Illustrator manual to dig up some more acronyms and again use them unwisely.

[Neto Magnus]

Hey Neto, I did the things to your manip that you asked for really quickly, it's not perfect but it's the basic idea. hope thats what you had in mind.


http://www.lazmarquez.com/art/magstv.jpg


wow, thanks. It's better than what I expected. :up:

how do you do the lines on PS btw?

[Lazmarquez]

In order to do the scanlines effect on PS, you first have to make a pattern fill, if you need the exact dimensions to try it out, let me know. Then once you've created your pattern, you create a layer on top of the image and fill it in. You fiddle with the opacity a bit to your liking, and then you've got your scan lines.

You're welcome, your stuff is always so entertaining, i love em :)

[ComicQueen]

wow, thanks. It's better than what I expected. :up:

how do you do the lines on PS btw?

Neto,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/franksgirl/maggysmudge.jpg

I love what you did by the way it was much better than I've seen people use for Magneto. I personally like the accent of his powers in progress.

Try using a simple abstract brush depending on how large the image is. Brush it lightly (use white color) then changing the opacity to 40-50% should be good enough. Giving that slight cloud for magnetism. Then smudge objects that he's magnetising.

I've over used it in this demonstration but you get the picture ;) . Bending all the metal objects so that it gives the illusion of his powers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/franksgirl/maggyexample.jpg

[C_T]

Psylocke

http://webpages.charter.net/lostindividual/x_men_psylocke_manip.jpg:eek: I love you

:D tee hee.....ah chucks...you're making me blush.

[C_T]

I think that's Kelly Hu

...ding ding ding...

[Neto Magnus]

In order to do the scanlines effect on PS, you first have to make a pattern fill, if you need the exact dimensions to try it out, let me know. Then once you've created your pattern, you create a layer on top of the image and fill it in. You fiddle with the opacity a bit to your liking, and then you've got your scan lines.

You're welcome, your stuff is always so entertaining, i love em :)

:confused: sorry, you lost me there. I don't even know the abc's of PS. The only thing I use it for is word balloons and image resizing.


Neto,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/franksgirl/maggysmudge.jpg

I love what you did by the way it was much better than I've seen people use for Magneto. I personally like the accent of his powers in progress.

Try using a simple abstract brush depending on how large the image is. Brush it lightly (use white color) then changing the opacity to 40-50% should be good enough. Giving that slight cloud for magnetism. Then smudge objects that he's magnetising.

I've over used it in this demonstration but you get the picture ;) . Bending all the metal objects so that it gives the illusion of his powers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/franksgirl/maggyexample.jpg

yea, I keep forgetting to use some ripple effects on magneto. I did that pic in about an hour so I forgot. I am planning on doing a manip of Mags in Alcatraz pretty soon, and I'll put the ripples in that one.

btw, do you have any HQ pics of Magneto I can use? Especially, ones with his helmet on. I'm tired of having to make his helmet from scratch. You can PM em to me if you could.

[afmvdp]

I'm novice at best.

I knew eventually we could come to an agreement. Congrats.:up:

[Psionic Force]

can someone make a wallpaper, preferably 1280x1024, that just focuses on Jeans as with the fire effect in them? Maybe the Phoenix as fire in them? Maybe have the full background of the wallpaer be very dark ... no text. Just the main focus on her eyes... something mindblowing! Please? :)

Maybe this is a job for Laz? :D

[Lazmarquez]

hey there, i actually made something similar to that a while back, of Jean's eye and the fire effect, you might want to check back a good number of pages back in this thread, also check out the X3 Wallpapers Thread which it should be in as well.. :)

[bosef982]

It's in a 1024x738 res. It's pretty clear what it is.




LOL!! highlighting and Lens Flare is that something you just picked up today. Like the "Word of the Day". LOL! Lighting of the rest of the eye bwahahahahahahahahahaaa!!! Oh sugar you should do stand up.




You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That was evident in your post and your small usage of acronyms came off very badly.

Also, come with Remedies, don't come stirring trouble and trying to spew hate when you don't even give logical remedies for these.

If you're going to come on here, critiquing other people's work, and then expect for us to rally behind you, jutting our noses into the air with you when you slam down your gavel of judgement on someone's work, then at least do two things:

1) Show us some of your own work, and show us why yours improves upon the flaws of the others you so relentlessly destroy.

2) Be open to the possiblity that one may not like it.

See, so far, it's this: You come on, see someone's stuff, then scream about how much you don't like it, all the while pretending that you are doing so in the interest of the artist -- when we all know the only interest you have is the boosting of your own ego and your own capacities because you can throw down multi-syllabic art jargon. Thus, a question is begged: why do you feel the need to be so pretentious? To mask your own self-patting on the back as helpful criticsm of others?

Then you show us some of your work and I understand.

That's all you have.

Normally, I wouldn't be this harsh. But when an individual makes a comment saying they don't like your work or that they don't think this or that should go there, you take it as what it is -- criticism. If you are so able to come in here with your black robe of jurisprudence on and slam down your paintbrush gavel all the while, be open when people do it too you. Otherwise, silence yourself.

You're remark on someone "knowing nothing" is as ludicrous as it is elitist -- no, not elitist, just plain ignorant. This is the equivelant of saying that the only good critics of movies are those who can produce movies themselves. It's like turning to the entire movie population and saying, if you can't make that, don't say anything.

Art is inherently a sensory experience. Everyone has more than enough experience with their senses to know what they like, respond to, and turn from. They don't need to be afficiandos of Adobe to feel that something doesn't work, or that something doesn't. Not even Shakespear would have the balls to get up and tell the Elizabethean crowds that they can't like or dislike his work b/c they don't know stageplay terminology.

I'm a writer, that's my cup of joe. However, I would never, ever turn around to someone who was critiquing my work and say -- you don't know about structure, verse, syntax, and dialogue construction; you're opinion doesn't count! That's plain stupidity.

You want remedies:

One, get over yourself and be more understanding of the artistic nuances that influence an individual's preferences.

Two, don't prattle on with your nose stuck in the air. No one wants to see what's up it, and quite frankly, what's coming out of your mouth stinks.

Thirdly, the problem with your manip is that the eye itself is cut off, leaving us with an almost Soccer Mom cropped photograph that doesn't have any fullness to it. The shape of Jean's eye is hindred by this. Secondly, the colors are unimpressive. They'res nothing even abstractly hinted at in her iriseses -- it's just colors. Nothing more. The solid block of "fire" in the upper left hand corner of the eye actually covers the pupil, which is impossible since the pupil is in fact a hole in the eye, not a reflecting surface. True, the lens over the pupil is, however, this is coming from Jean's eyes, so it'd make no sense for the reflection to actually overlap the hole. The white color is boring, and actually falls into the league with the "fire" colors and instead of enhanching them, as a fade out to black would have, it steals their power, which is blocky at best and a bit overdone. The "Phoenix Rising' is not only cliche, but unneccessary and overrides the image. Plus, since all this looks like is a red-on-fire eye, cut off and cropped improperly, the Phoenix Rising really doesn't go with the image. Nothing's rising the image. If anything, something's at best is "flaring" -- and even that's ambigous.

The artwork fails on many accounts. The accent of color in her eyes needs to be more abstract, and thus, using that abstraction, make it more subtle and not so block like. The colors surrounding the eye need to be lost since they steal from the "highlight" that the "fire" colors are suppose to serve on the iris. The anatomy needs to be correct, since the fire flaring in her eyes could not COVER her pupil or reflect in it or the lens above it as EXTERNAL light sources can. Lastly, you need to dump Phoenix Rising. it has no bearing or context on what we are seeing.

That's how I responded to the piece you just showed us. Take it or leave it, I could care less. The one thing I don't want to hear you doing is complaining. Hold yourself to your own defenses and standards and take this for what it is: constructive criticism. Apparently, you're so familiar with it.

And dont' say I'm harping on you, because was I NOT the person who got into a whole pages long debate over defending your use of the word Nazi before -- I thought so.

[xwolverine2]

paris hilton chokes on pen---

lmao!!...how random lol

[josh8]

to comic queen,

i dont doubt your intentions on this board as much as other have been, but if you're going to involve yourself with this board for the time being, you're going to have to accept that some of the things you say are very unpleasant. you may not care what people have to think about you. however, the fact that you have garnered unanimous hostility towards yourself proves that you are in fact (to say it crudely) pissing people off.

regardless of your feelings towards other people's opinions, people come here to enjoy themselves, and with you around it is difficult. i strongly think you should reevaluate your attitude and at least make some kind of concessions and show some humility in your posts. we are not perfect, and you certainly are not.

in my opinion, you seem genuinely interested in art and critique, but your posts have reeked of elitism and total disregard of what other people have to say. you insult people, then deny that you did, saying it was all in the purpose of criticism. you've made roundabout personal attacks, yet defend yourself by completely ignoring the fact that what you said was filled with pompous attitude. statements like the following:

"Sweety, your opinion means nothing considering you've used acronyms incorrectly and illogically."

are completely out of line. you can comment on someone's opinions, but please dont do that ever again. i mean, do you even hear yourself? can you honestly re-read some of your posts and still see nothing wrong with them?

my point is, if you want to critique, just do that. dont reference your superiority while doing so. dont imply that your criticism is better than another's. stop with the self-validation. you're the only person that agrees with anything you say and it shows. and also try not to contradict yourself when you defend your own work/talent.

you commented on one of Laz's works, saying he cant defend bad work by saying it was done quickly, since artists should never do work that isnt great. yet you defend the "phoenix rising" about it being from a VHS capture and such. plus you criticized the fonts on one of his posters, yet your fonts for the x-men III and date are atrocious. you even used practically the same font for the date from the movie poster when you told him not to. and none of the words match each other!

you also dont seem to take criticism towards yourself well. Laz has accepted your words without complaint and without the resulting insult-spewing. you should show that you can as well. i hope this time you listen to what others have to say. i think you could be an asset here if you tried.

[afmvdp]

the black society is unfurled! Quiet all of you!

[ComicQueen]

*laughs riotously at the hate-filled posts*

[bosef982]

*laughs riotously at the hate-filled posts*

And there's your ego seeping in again. You leap to laughing at what you presume to be hate-filled posts, instantly casting yourself into the role of some immolated victim, all the while exercising the assumption that I have enough time, or Josh for that matter, to hate you.

I have better issues to devote my animosity to; struggling artists who try to buffer their own work by lamblasting others in the same field is not one of them.

And it'd figure you'd laugh at constructive criticism like that I gave you.

You must think you're being clever -- how lonely an arena of belief that must be.

[bosef982]

*laughs riotously at the hate-filled posts*

And while this is not a subject of grammar, it's a matter of usage. Laughs riotously doesn't really work. I mean, it can work because riotously can me boistrous, which is without restraint laughing, but it's typically meant a negative fashion -- so unless you were deprecating yourself, I'd change that to uncontrollably or what not.