Joker Casting Threads [merged-30]

[TheJuice]

How about Ewan Mcgregor? He's a very versatile actor.


http://ewanmcgregoronline.com/Images_ewan_stills/Colour_Bodyshots/can_t_get_of_my_bike.jpg

[The Chairman]

Lately I've been considering Rupert Everett for the role. He has that sort of charimg, underlying evil about him.

[antmanx68]

How about Ewan Mcgregor? He's a very versatile actor.


http://ewanmcgregoronline.com/Images_ewan_stills/Colour_Bodyshots/can_t_get_of_my_bike.jpg


I trust Ewan McGrogor with just about anything.

[TheJuice]

Lately I've been considering Rupert Everett for the role. He has that sort of charimg, underlying evil about him.


For Alex Ross's Joker, definitly.

[The Nose Goblin]

I'm not exactly a Josh Lucas fan but....
http://images.zap2it.com/20040928/02_aroundthebend.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Modernman/200508_elle.jpg
...very Joker-ish.(Especially the last one)

[Spidey-Bat]

How about Ewan Mcgregor? He's a very versatile actor.

His accent is too heavy.

[TheJuice]

His accent is too heavy.

I guess you haven't seen very many of his movies, huh?

The Island - American Accient

Big Fish - Southern Accient

Eye of The Beholder - American Accient

Nightwatch - American Accient

Down With Love - American Accient

Do you see a pattern here?

[DOO BEE]

moulin rough is'nt american accent you **** wit!

[TheJuice]

the point IS that he is capable of doing an american accient.

[dark_b]

I guess you haven't seen very many of his movies, huh?

The Island - American Accient

Big Fish - Southern Accient

Eye of The Beholder - American Accient

Nightwatch - American Accient

Down With Love - American Accient

Do you see a pattern here?
he has not an american accent

[pieeye]

Sorry to interrupt here, but I just felt compelled to post some awesome Christopher Eccleston Othello screencaps. These are 100% unmanipulated, even without any make-up, the guy just has the face not to mention the ability for the roll. Just thought I would give you another view of this actor. Lachy Hulme and Bettany are still the strong contenders, so Eccleston will have some healthy competition


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[The Chairman]

[QUOTE=HarleyLover] There are plenty of lanky, big-nosed actors. You can't go on appearance alone.

Exactly. Barry Manilow has a big nose. Does that mean he should play The Joker? No Hulme. Glover is The Joker.

[blake]

Nice smile, but he doesn't look insane enough to portrait the Joker.
So far I believe Glover would really be the best choice.

[dogsgotlipstick]

[QUOTE=HarleyLover] There are plenty of lanky, big-nosed actors. You can't go on appearance alone.

. you can't go on appearance alone, yet this is exactly what you have done with glover! the guy's acting is that bad that he would have been passed over by ed wood when he cast: plan 9 from outer space!!!
let me rephrase your qoute:

There are plenty of lanky, big-nosed actors. You can't go on appearance alone. Exactly.

Glover has a big nose. Does that mean he should play The Joker? Eccleston is The Joker!

He's a great actor, who just happens to have some similar features to the joker, which is a massive bonus.

get off your glover high horse; enlighten yourself by checking out other artists such as hulme, eccleston and bettany in some of their work before you go commenting on who should be considered.

Nice smile, but he doesn't look insane enough to portrait the Joker.

Blake, you could see some of eccleston's crazy stuff in Dr Who, and menacing crazy in shallow graves, revengers tragedy. this guy will be able to act the way he looks for the role. Fantastically.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't prefer Eccleston over Glover because he looks more like The Joker (which he does), but because he's a better actor.

Having said that, there are candidates that I prefer to both actors.

[Ark-el]

i dont know if anybodys metioned this guy as the joker , but its worth the look , he definity has the acting ability , as seen in NBC's revelations , he also has the smile and the creepy laugh.

his name is Michael Massee

heres a joker-eque picture i took from a episode of revalations

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/kon-el/untitled.jpg

[DOO BEE]

Eccleston is the greatest Dr. Who ever, and in his finial episode of the doctor i fell in love with his acting, when he does that insane thing about bornio and stuff, god he is awsome, and he was great in 28 days later, i hope he is the joker, he is now my number one choice for the joker

[DOO BEE]

he has not an american accent

the [spoiler] clone [spoiler] is american when the real ewan is scottish

i did the censor thing for those who want to see the movie but i think everyone knows the secret anyway

[gothamsterror]

Chris Eccleston hands down. Guys a great actor and has the looks. Also he's not widely known so people aren't gonna look at him and recognise him as someone else.

[Everyman]

as for Cassell being a frenchman, didn't what we recognize as the modern day clown originate in france?

Problem is, it is doubtful that Cassel can get rid of his French accent. He could only be a good Joker if the movie was in French.

So far, Eccleston is my favorite choice for the Joker.

[dogsgotlipstick]

Problem is, it is doubtful that Cassel can get rid of his French accent. He could only be a good Joker if the movie was in French.

So far, Eccleston is my favorite choice for the Joker.

don't shoot me; i'm playing devil's advocate. why would it matter if the joker spoke in a different accent than american?
if the guy playing him was awesome in every aspect and could convey the joker's madness using their own accent, what would it matter?

sean connery has won an oscar portraying an irishman (untouchables) with a SCOTTISH sean connery accent! it didn't matter that he couldn't do the accent; his performance was great; you couldn't take your eyes off of him!!!

if vincent cassell/Lachy Hulme/christopher eccleston/jonny depp were deemed the best choice for the joker with a french/australian/mancunian/american accent respectively then so what?

why not have a mixture of accents? the joker is a nutbar, so why shouldn't he change his voice depending on if he's the joking joker or the murderous joker; a little like how bale changed bruce's voice depending on which character he was playing. also the different accents would make it harder for batman to figure out jokers origin...
just a thought..

batman is a world wide phenomenon; that means a fairly large percentage of fans who see it will see it dubbed or subtitled. the voice won't mean diddly to them; but the acting will be everything.

the joker lives in the performance and not in the voice.

my personal preference would be for american voice as provided by christopher eccleston!!! (told you i was just playing devils advocate!!!)

[Everyman]

don't shoot me; i'm playing devil's advocate. why would it matter if the joker spoke in a different accent than american?
if the guy playing him was awesome in every aspect and could convey the joker's madness using their own accent, what would it matter?

sean connery has won an oscar portraying an irishman (untouchables) with a SCOTTISH sean connery accent! it didn't matter that he couldn't do the accent; his performance was great; you couldn't take your eyes off of him!!!

if vincent cassell/Lachy Hulme/christopher eccleston/jonny depp were deemed the best choice for the joker with a french/australian/mancunian/american accent respectively then so what?

why not have a mixture of accents? the joker is a nutbar, so why shouldn't he change his voice depending on if he's the joking joker or the murderous joker; a little like how bale changed bruce's voice depending on which character he was playing. also the different accents would make it harder for batman to figure out jokers origin...
just a thought..

batman is a world wide phenomenon; that means a fairly large percentage of fans who see it will see it dubbed or subtitled. the voice won't mean diddly to them; but the acting will be everything.

the joker lives in the performance and not in the voice.

my personal preference would be for american voice as provided by christopher eccleston!!! (told you i was just playing devils advocate!!!)

I wasn't shooting you, just stating a fact. The problem with Cassel as the Joker is that the Joker isn't a French character. And a thick french accent would be distracting. Sean Connery's accent in The Intouchables was the least convincing part of his performance (which overall was great). That said, native English speakers can more easily modifie their accent in English language, especially if they are accomplished actors such as Eccleston or Depp (not that I think Depp would be right for the role, mind you). And most of the time, French are very VERY bad at faking accents, even in their own language (I know, I am a Quebecker). They are just not very gifted in this specific area. It might be different for Cassel, but somehow I doubt it.

[darknight7]

Sorry to interrupt here, but I just felt compelled to post some awesome Christopher Eccleston Othello screencaps. These are 100% unmanipulated, even without any make-up, the guy just has the face not to mention the ability for the roll. Just thought I would give you another view of this actor. Lachy Hulme and Bettany are still the strong contenders, so Eccleston will have some healthy competition


http://www.smugmug.com/photos/31196572-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/31196844-M.jpg


WOW... :o :up:

--dk7

[spanish39]

Eccelstone is great and all that but I find it so funny when people say they are switching their choice for Joker based on a picture or 2 that was made. Then they whip out the Eccelstone dammitt or something and go on and on and post all these pics saying, "See!, he has the smile and the nose and he's tall.". It proves that people can't stick with one person which means that really none of these actors are good enough, not if minds keep changing every other day or week. Next someone will show a picture of Don Johnson or something and someone else will manip or draw over it and then, BAM, a good majority of people would start saying he would be a great choice and announce that they are officialy changing actor choices. I swear Mark Hamill is one convincing manip or drawing away from being the new best candidate despite his age. If people just keep switching every week cause of a new piece of art or crap then that should be proof enough that about 80% - 90% of posters are indecisive about who they want. I know whoever gets the role, right away people will be pissed at first and then grow to deal with it, and I bet it will be none of these actors WE are discussing here, Hulme/Eccelstone/Cassell/Bettany/etc....Let's keep it real here guys, N ONE has been thought of (barley Hulme) screen tested or mentioned as the next Joker. Nolan doesn't know if he is coming back, Nolan doesn't know who the villian will be, thers is no script or talk going on that we know of yet. Just kind of funny is all I'm saying, all of it.

[dogsgotlipstick]

Eccelstone is great and all that but I find it so funny when people say they are switching their choice for Joker based on a picture or 2 that was made. Then they whip out the Eccelstone dammitt or something and go on and on and post all these pics saying, "See!, he has the smile and the nose and he's tall.". It proves that people can't stick with one person which means that really none of these actors are good enough, not if minds keep changing every other day or week. Next someone will show a picture of Don Johnson or something and someone else will manip or draw over it and then, BAM, a good majority of people would start saying he would be a great choice and announce that they are officialy changing actor choices. I swear Mark Hamill is one convincing manip or drawing away from being the new best candidate despite his age. If people just keep switching every week cause of a new piece of art or crap then that should be proof enough that about 80% - 90% of posters are indecisive about who they want. I know whoever gets the role, right away people will be pissed at first and then grow to deal with it, and I bet it will be none of these actors WE are discussing here, Hulme/Eccelstone/Cassell/Bettany/etc....Let's keep it real here guys, N ONE has been thought of (barley Hulme) screen tested or mentioned as the next Joker. Nolan doesn't know if he is coming back, Nolan doesn't know who the villian will be, thers is no script or talk going on that we know of yet. Just kind of funny is all I'm saying, all of it.

eccleston was the first name that came to me. i was sitting watching the first episode of the new Dr Who, and blam there it was! now my liking for him as joker wasn't based on the superficiality of his looks; it was down to his manic style- serious one minute, fun the next- this allied to other producions i have seen him in where he plays a psycho nutbar; shallow graves, othello; and intense; second coming, cracker. the two manips by pieeye put the final nails in the coffin for me. top, top, actor!

[The Chairman]

Last night, I was watching "Pulp Fiction", and after seeing Tim Roth's performance in it, I think he'd do an excellent job as The Joker. He'll have to lose his accent a little, but otherwise he'd be a great Joker. He's replaced Crispin Glover as my top choice for the role.

[Detective Flass]

Tim Roth is often confused to be a natural born American because his American accent is excellent.

ROTH DAMMIT!!!

[Muze]

Tim Roth is too small (frame and height) , imo. Chris Eccleston is tall, lanky, and has the face. they're about equally talented actors. doesn't sound like a hard choice to me.

[Dark Knight]

I prefer Eccleston ahead of Glover thats for sure.

It should be between

Eccleston
Bettany

I think Eccleston would look creepier as the Joker physically compared to Bettany.

[Brian Braddock]

Eccleston would be a good choice as would Glover IMO - the only thing about Eccleston is that he strikes me as having too large a frame for Joker as does Paul Bettany - whereas Glover seems to have the ideal build already.

[antmanx68]

Eccleston, Bettany, and Glover all will appear on screen as skinny creepy guys, especially compared to Bale in the batsuit. Nicholson had kind of a belly, with the right wardrobe these actors would look like lanky, thin wierdos.

[Muze]

I prefer Eccleston ahead of Glover thats for sure.

It should be between

Eccleston
Bettany

I think Eccleston would look creepier as the Joker physically compared to Bettany.

me too but Bettany would probably draw a larger crowd because he's considered 'hot.' i'll take either.

[mongo44]

I will say it again, I think the best pick for the Joker is a comedian rather than a dramatic actor and not to camp it up. The line between comedy and psycho is millimeters away from each other. Probably 90% of our greatest comedians are borderline psychotic the rest are outright psychotic.

All or most used comedy to find acceptance by their peers, family, and friends. So many either end up self destructing or come perilously close to it. I think it would be so easy for so many to strike the right cord. Especially if the “failed comedian” angle was worked. Trust me if they go this angle I don’t think anyone will be disappointed with the end results.

I say all this once again, because I am a former comedian and actor. I would love the opportunity to do such a dark and disturbing role. I actually once played a protagonist in a play that was very dogmatic and disturbing. One of the critics that attended the premier was a big fan of my comedy and comic acting talents. He approached me after the show and said, “It was amazing watching you. I never laughed once and thought I couldn’t buy you in this role.” He gave me an amazing review, even referring to some of my past comic roles and his doubts at my ability to pull it off. He then nominated me that year for best dramatic role in our local theater awards.

So when I hear in this thread “no comedians” with the rationalization that the actor would make it too campy I laugh. Don’t believe me mention a comic actor and I will list the rationalization to my theory and I won’t use a performance example.

[Brian Braddock]

I will say it again, I think the best pick for the Joker is a comedian rather than a dramatic actor and not to camp it up. The line between comedy and psycho is millimeters away from each other. Probably 90% of our greatest comedians are borderline psychotic the rest are outright psychotic.

All or most used comedy to find acceptance by their peers, family, and friends. So many either end up self destructing or come perilously close to it. I think it would be so easy for so many to strike the right cord. Especially if the “failed comedian” angle was worked. Trust me if they go this angle I don’t think anyone will be disappointed with the end results.

I say all this once again, because I am a former comedian and actor. I would love the opportunity to do such a dark and disturbing role. I actually once played a protagonist in a play that was very dogmatic and disturbing. One of the critics that attended the premier was a big fan of my comedy and comic acting talents. He approached me after the show and said, “It was amazing watching you. I never laughed once and thought I couldn’t buy you in this role.” He gave me an amazing review, even referring to some of my past comic roles and his doubts at my ability to pull it off. He then nominated me that year for best dramatic role in our local theater awards.

So when I hear in this thread “no comedians” with the rationalization that the actor would make it too campy I laugh. Don’t believe me mention a comic actor and I will list the rationalization to my theory and I won’t use a performance example.


Comedian Lee Evans - Ladies and Gentleman. I've suggested him before. Right face, build, energy and can act.

[mongo44]

Comedian Lee Evans - Ladies and Gentleman. I've suggested him before. Right face, build, energy and can act.

"I started doing physical comedy, because I was like a moving target. You know what British audiences are like - 'he's ****, kill him!' My upbringing taught me to keep moving" -Lee Evans

[TheJuice]

Robert Carlyle anyone?

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http://www.lollipop.com/issue40/images/fullmonty1.gif

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[camaleonz]

You can tell how many lies and speculations are being made about the joker character and who will play him on the sequel, i remember that Batman on Film reported more than a month ago, how they where holding a secret auditions for the role but for some reason no one know a thing about it nor a candidate has been picked, i mean what is the deal?

[Everyman]

Robert Carlyle anyone?

I always imagiend him more as Mad Hatter...

[Keyser Soze]

Robert Carlyle is a great actor (and actually lives quite near where I go to University) but I don't think he's right for The Joker. He may be a bit too old, and usually tends to play more "tough-guy" characters.

[TheJuice]

Robert Carlyle is a great actor (and actually lives quite near where I go to University) but I don't think he's right for The Joker. He may be a bit too old, and usually tends to play more "tough-guy" characters.


Carlyle can certainly play the psycho role, and he showed that when he play Adolf Hitler in The Rise Of Evil.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, fair enough. He may not be a top choice of mine, but I wouldn't complain if he WAS cast...

[SatanBurger]

I nominate Tom Hanks. He's a big name actor, which is conveniant, seeing as how I'm too dull to know there are any thespians beyond the ones I've seen in Steven Spielberg movies, and he's played a psycho. Well, he played a guy that killed people in Road to Perdition, at least. And it's not like there's more than one kind of psycho in cinema. That's just ridiculous.

P.S. I hate you all.

[The Chairman]

Someone probably already brought him up, but what about Nicolas Cage? I think he'd be fantastic. But Tim Roth still has my vote.

[Everyman]

Yeah, fair enough. He may not be a top choice of mine, but I wouldn't complain if he WAS cast...

I wouldn't complain either, but I still see him more as Mad Hatter.

[Farva]

Carlyle can certainly play the psycho role, and he showed that when he play Adolf Hitler in The Rise Of Evil.

Speaking of Hitler, has anyone mentioned before Noah Taylor as a Joker candidate? He played a young Hitler in "Max" and has they skinny body and long face that many people would associate with the Joker.

http://www.tribute.ca/tribute_objects/images/stars/noah_taylor.jpg

[NOFX]

NO MORE JUDE LAW TALK???!!! :rolleyes:

[Farva]

um...no.

[Brian Braddock]

Speaking of Hitler, has anyone mentioned before Noah Taylor as a Joker candidate? He played a young Hitler in "Max" and has they skinny body and long face that many people would associate with the Joker.

http://www.tribute.ca/tribute_objects/images/stars/noah_taylor.jpg

Would I be correct in thinking that he was 'Tech Support' in 'Vanilla Sky'? Interesting. Never thought of him before but it could work - his look and biuld would be quite adaptable for that of the Joker.

Nice one Farva

[regwec]

Eccelstone is great and all that but I find it so funny when people say they are switching their choice for Joker based on a picture or 2 that was made. Then they whip out the Eccelstone dammitt or something and go on and on and post all these pics saying, "See!, he has the smile and the nose and he's tall.". It proves that people can't stick with one person which means that really none of these actors are good enough, not if minds keep changing every other day or week. Next someone will show a picture of Don Johnson or something and someone else will manip or draw over it and then, BAM, a good majority of people would start saying he would be a great choice and announce that they are officialy changing actor choices. I swear Mark Hamill is one convincing manip or drawing away from being the new best candidate despite his age. If people just keep switching every week cause of a new piece of art or crap then that should be proof enough that about 80% - 90% of posters are indecisive about who they want. I know whoever gets the role, right away people will be pissed at first and then grow to deal with it, and I bet it will be none of these actors WE are discussing here, Hulme/Eccelstone/Cassell/Bettany/etc....Let's keep it real here guys, N ONE has been thought of (barley Hulme) screen tested or mentioned as the next Joker. Nolan doesn't know if he is coming back, Nolan doesn't know who the villian will be, thers is no script or talk going on that we know of yet. Just kind of funny is all I'm saying, all of it.
You have a point, but I have been for Eccleston for years. If you look at the ancient "sequel manips" thread, I think you will find that I'm (one of?) the first to mention his name, and I did a couple of manips that look like crap next to Pieye's. :) Eccleston is a great actor, he looks great for the role, and he has manic charisma in spades. I honestly doubt that we could imagine a better candidate.

[dogsgotlipstick]

You have a point, but I have been for Eccleston for years. If you look at the ancient "sequel manips" thread, I think you will find that I'm (one of?) the first to mention his name, and I did a couple of manips that look like crap next to Pieye's. :) Eccleston is a great actor, he looks great for the role, and he has manic charisma in spades. I honestly doubt that we could imagine a better candidate.

could somebody write a review of eccleston's work? it's the only way that we will get the non believers to sit up and take notice

[dogsgotlipstick]

eccleston is the only man for the job...

[super scar]

Ecclestone is by far the best choice for the joker. Its a pitty he dropped out of dr who, he finished way too early, but it increased recognition of his previous work, which is a good thing. So far i'm yet to see Eccelstone in an unconvincing role. I think he'd do an awesome job.

and for joker experience aparently he's in season 2 or 3 of a 'league of gentleman' as a crazy person (possibly in a purple suit) something about cats?
That's season three. He plays a cinema owner that only shows movies involving cats and his arrival in town to discuss a situation involving Keith (but not Keith) with the other cinema owner that only shows dog movies.
He looked a bit PIMP but I don't remember his suit as purple.

[Two-Face]

Move this sequels forum.

[Keyser Soze]

Here's another suggestion. What about Josh Holloway? he plays Sawyer on "Lost". Someone suggested him as The RIddler, and I immediately thought he'd be a better Joker.

Sure, he has the Southern accent, but I think he could conceal that. I think he could be quite interesting in the part. not a top choice for me or anything, jsut another name i'm throwing out there.

[ultimatefan]

BTW, Glover has denied rumors he was being considered for the role. From www.darkhorizons.com

Meanwhile, Bloody Disgusting reports that Crispin Glover told attendees at the 'Rue Morgue: Festival of Fear' that although he hasn't been contacted about the role of The Joker in the next "Batman" film, he is keen for the part. Glover apparently made it clear that any talk of him playing The Joker is simply wishful-thinking, but he hopes the buzz rubs off on the studio (Editor's Note: "Dear God lets hope not!).

[dogsgotlipstick]

I would have been to partisan to write a review of eccleston, so here are a few reviews of eccleston in Othello which I’ve lifted from amazon.com the link to the reviews is posted at the bottom. I’ve highlighted eccleston’s specific stuff by under lining it.


I first saw this rendition of "Othello" over a year ago on PBS, and I was absolutely enthralled with it. Unlike other modern renditions of Shakespearian plays, this version replaces the iambic pentameter with a natural scripted dialogue without losing the meaning and power of Shakespeare's orginal writing. You will fall in love and emphathize with Walker's powerful portrayal of the ill-fated Othello, and you will scorn and shudder at Eccleston's perfectly manipulative Jago. This is by far my favorite version of Othello.

Fascinating- the same story but oh so different, April 17, 2002Reviewer: A viewerDon't think because you know the story, you know how this version is going to play out. I found it completely fascinating and the second time around this movie was as good as the first. Eamonn Walker was perfectly cast as the man who can control the crowds but not his own imagination. He was brilliant, but I'm afraid this movie belonged to Christopher Eccleston. Every time he faced the camera and gave a peek into what was really going on, he was stunning. For original Shakespearean text, go for Laurence Fishburne's version, but to try something new, definitely watch this one.

Best Modern Re-telling...Ever, February 24, 2002
Reviewer: Alan DeHaan (Muskegon, Michigan USA) -
I normally dislike movies that dispense with the words of Shakespeare. But for some reason, I loved this modern retelling of Othello.
It didn't feel false, like the so-called 'William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet'.
The acting in it is superb. Eamonn Walker really grabs ahold of the role of John Othello and makes it perfect. I honestly cannot think of another actor that could have played this role to such ability.
Christopher Eccleston's casting to play Ben Jago was the perfect choice. He really gets to the heart of the role. The friend, passed over for the job that was his. The words he uses as narrations are well written, and perfectly acted.
Overall, I give this retelling of Othello 5 stars. Though now, maybe someone can do a full telling of the traditional play in this medium.




Take Shakespeare's "Othello", stick it in modern-day England, (where both John Othello and Ben Jago *Iago* work at Scotland Yard,) take some prominent BBC actors, and you've got Masterpiece Theater's "Othello". It's hard not to automaticlly classify most "modern adaptations" as lame... but it's only fair to give them a chance, eh? If you need even one reason to see this... it's Christopher Eccleston. He is one evil butt-munch. Smiling one minute, glaring daggers the next... and he can pull it off. He's a pretty talented actor, so it's pretty fun to watch him go psycho, lol. It should be a nice addition to any collection of Shakespeare videos. Enjoy!

Amazingly enough, it works, February 6, 2002Reviewer: A viewerNot merely a recasting (like Ethan Hawke's HAMLET) of a Shakespeare play into a modern setting, this is a translation of the story into a contemporary police station, so that the themes of racial strife and sexual jealousy are even more palpable. Andrew Davies (who supposedly wants to do this with all the Shakespeare plays) dispenses with the Shakespearean language, but keeps the characterizations and some of the stylistic elements intact. Eamonn Walker is a quiet, thoughtful Othello, while Christopher Eccleston, as an Iago with a motive, is chillingly malevolent in a riveting performance that stops just shy of scenery-chewing. It sounds like it should be awful, but it's not. Definitely worth a look, and certainly a good companion piece to the Laurence Fishburne OTHELLO for a high school English class.


Hope these are helpful; I particularly like the last two reviews, believe me they are spot on! These reviews can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_rev_next/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=130&s=dvd&customer-reviews.start=11

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The second manip sold me for him hes one of my top choices now hes got the look, but i want to see a sick and twisted performance by him in something else, can anyone name anything i can rent, cuz personally ive never heard of him?

[dogsgotlipstick]

DaRkVeNgeanCe see this:

I would have been to partisan to write a review of eccleston, so here are a few reviews of eccleston in Othello which I’ve lifted from amazon.com the link to the reviews is posted at the bottom. I’ve highlighted eccleston’s specific stuff by under lining it.


I first saw this rendition of "Othello" over a year ago on PBS, and I was absolutely enthralled with it. Unlike other modern renditions of Shakespearian plays, this version replaces the iambic pentameter with a natural scripted dialogue without losing the meaning and power of Shakespeare's orginal writing. You will fall in love and emphathize with Walker's powerful portrayal of the ill-fated Othello, and you will scorn and shudder at Eccleston's perfectly manipulative Jago. This is by far my favorite version of Othello.

Fascinating- the same story but oh so different, April 17, 2002Reviewer: A viewerDon't think because you know the story, you know how this version is going to play out. I found it completely fascinating and the second time around this movie was as good as the first. Eamonn Walker was perfectly cast as the man who can control the crowds but not his own imagination. He was brilliant, but I'm afraid this movie belonged to Christopher Eccleston. Every time he faced the camera and gave a peek into what was really going on, he was stunning. For original Shakespearean text, go for Laurence Fishburne's version, but to try something new, definitely watch this one.

Best Modern Re-telling...Ever, February 24, 2002
Reviewer: Alan DeHaan (Muskegon, Michigan USA) -
I normally dislike movies that dispense with the words of Shakespeare. But for some reason, I loved this modern retelling of Othello.
It didn't feel false, like the so-called 'William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet'.
The acting in it is superb. Eamonn Walker really grabs ahold of the role of John Othello and makes it perfect. I honestly cannot think of another actor that could have played this role to such ability.
Christopher Eccleston's casting to play Ben Jago was the perfect choice. He really gets to the heart of the role. The friend, passed over for the job that was his. The words he uses as narrations are well written, and perfectly acted.
Overall, I give this retelling of Othello 5 stars. Though now, maybe someone can do a full telling of the traditional play in this medium.




Take Shakespeare's "Othello", stick it in modern-day England, (where both John Othello and Ben Jago *Iago* work at Scotland Yard,) take some prominent BBC actors, and you've got Masterpiece Theater's "Othello". It's hard not to automaticlly classify most "modern adaptations" as lame... but it's only fair to give them a chance, eh? If you need even one reason to see this... it's Christopher Eccleston. He is one evil butt-munch. Smiling one minute, glaring daggers the next... and he can pull it off. He's a pretty talented actor, so it's pretty fun to watch him go psycho, lol. It should be a nice addition to any collection of Shakespeare videos. Enjoy!

Amazingly enough, it works, February 6, 2002Reviewer: A viewerNot merely a recasting (like Ethan Hawke's HAMLET) of a Shakespeare play into a modern setting, this is a translation of the story into a contemporary police station, so that the themes of racial strife and sexual jealousy are even more palpable. Andrew Davies (who supposedly wants to do this with all the Shakespeare plays) dispenses with the Shakespearean language, but keeps the characterizations and some of the stylistic elements intact. Eamonn Walker is a quiet, thoughtful Othello, while Christopher Eccleston, as an Iago with a motive, is chillingly malevolent in a riveting performance that stops just shy of scenery-chewing. It sounds like it should be awful, but it's not. Definitely worth a look, and certainly a good companion piece to the Laurence Fishburne OTHELLO for a high school English class.


Hope these are helpful; I particularly like the last two reviews, believe me they are spot on! These reviews can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_rev_next/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=130&s=dvd&customer-reviews.start=11

[Nimrandir]

Well, I have read through most of this thread. The arguments and the pictures and manips. I'll have to say the most qualified person seems to be, Christopher Eccleston.
He gets my vote. Some of the people listed are just terrible, several look the part, such as Adrien Brody, but I don't think the voice would be right. I have never seen Eccleston act, but from all the pictures i have seen, he fits the part the best.

[Nimrandir]

BTW, Glover has denied rumors he was being considered for the role. From www.darkhorizons.com (http://www.darkhorizons.com/)

Meanwhile, Bloody Disgusting reports that Crispin Glover told attendees at the 'Rue Morgue: Festival of Fear' that although he hasn't been contacted about the role of The Joker in the next "Batman" film, he is keen for the part. Glover apparently made it clear that any talk of him playing The Joker is simply wishful-thinking, but he hopes the buzz rubs off on the studio (Editor's Note: "Dear God lets hope not!).That is good news, I don't particuarly think he looks right for The Joker.

[dogsgotlipstick]

Well, I have read through most of this thread. The arguments and the pictures and manips. I'll have to say the most qualified person seems to be, Christopher Eccleston.
He gets my vote. Some of the people listed are just terrible, several look the part, such as Adrien Brody, but I don't think the voice would be right. I have never seen Eccleston act, but from all the pictures i have seen, he fits the part the best.

I would have been to partisan to write a review of eccleston, so here are a few reviews of eccleston in Othello which I’ve lifted from amazon.com the link to the reviews is posted at the bottom. I’ve highlighted eccleston’s specific stuff by under lining it.


I first saw this rendition of "Othello" over a year ago on PBS, and I was absolutely enthralled with it. Unlike other modern renditions of Shakespearian plays, this version replaces the iambic pentameter with a natural scripted dialogue without losing the meaning and power of Shakespeare's orginal writing. You will fall in love and emphathize with Walker's powerful portrayal of the ill-fated Othello, and you will scorn and shudder at Eccleston's perfectly manipulative Jago. This is by far my favorite version of Othello.

Fascinating- the same story but oh so different, April 17, 2002Reviewer: A viewerDon't think because you know the story, you know how this version is going to play out. I found it completely fascinating and the second time around this movie was as good as the first. Eamonn Walker was perfectly cast as the man who can control the crowds but not his own imagination. He was brilliant, but I'm afraid this movie belonged to Christopher Eccleston. Every time he faced the camera and gave a peek into what was really going on, he was stunning. For original Shakespearean text, go for Laurence Fishburne's version, but to try something new, definitely watch this one.

Best Modern Re-telling...Ever, February 24, 2002
Reviewer: Alan DeHaan (Muskegon, Michigan USA) -
I normally dislike movies that dispense with the words of Shakespeare. But for some reason, I loved this modern retelling of Othello.
It didn't feel false, like the so-called 'William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet'.
The acting in it is superb. Eamonn Walker really grabs ahold of the role of John Othello and makes it perfect. I honestly cannot think of another actor that could have played this role to such ability.
Christopher Eccleston's casting to play Ben Jago was the perfect choice. He really gets to the heart of the role. The friend, passed over for the job that was his. The words he uses as narrations are well written, and perfectly acted.
Overall, I give this retelling of Othello 5 stars. Though now, maybe someone can do a full telling of the traditional play in this medium.




Take Shakespeare's "Othello", stick it in modern-day England, (where both John Othello and Ben Jago *Iago* work at Scotland Yard,) take some prominent BBC actors, and you've got Masterpiece Theater's "Othello". It's hard not to automaticlly classify most "modern adaptations" as lame... but it's only fair to give them a chance, eh? If you need even one reason to see this... it's Christopher Eccleston. He is one evil butt-munch. Smiling one minute, glaring daggers the next... and he can pull it off. He's a pretty talented actor, so it's pretty fun to watch him go psycho, lol. It should be a nice addition to any collection of Shakespeare videos. Enjoy!

Amazingly enough, it works, February 6, 2002Reviewer: A viewerNot merely a recasting (like Ethan Hawke's HAMLET) of a Shakespeare play into a modern setting, this is a translation of the story into a contemporary police station, so that the themes of racial strife and sexual jealousy are even more palpable. Andrew Davies (who supposedly wants to do this with all the Shakespeare plays) dispenses with the Shakespearean language, but keeps the characterizations and some of the stylistic elements intact. Eamonn Walker is a quiet, thoughtful Othello, while Christopher Eccleston, as an Iago with a motive, is chillingly malevolent in a riveting performance that stops just shy of scenery-chewing. It sounds like it should be awful, but it's not. Definitely worth a look, and certainly a good companion piece to the Laurence Fishburne OTHELLO for a high school English class.


Hope these are helpful; I particularly like the last two reviews, believe me they are spot on! These reviews can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...ding=UTF8&s=dvd (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...eviews.start=11 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_rev_next/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=130&s=dvd&customer-reviews.start=11)
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[regwec]

dogsgotlipstick
I just realised how totally cool your name is! :D

[dogsgotlipstick]

I just realised how totally cool your name is! :D

cheers! yeah, just popped into my head one day...:eek: figuratively speaking :D :eek:

[Farva]

Just making another unsolicited proposal for Noah Taylor as the Joker. I'm still hoping some people might make some manips on here.

http://www.filmmonthly.com/Profiles/Articles/NTaylor/Max-photo_07.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Going back to the Steve Carell rumour, Steve Carell himself commented on The Joker in an interview with UK movie mag Total Film. Here's an excerpt from the article:

Comparisons to frequent co-star Will Ferrell are also defelcted gracefully...before Carell gets down to the serious business of playing The Joker. Or, should we say, the not-so-serious business (Carell rarely stops clowning) of perhaps playing The Joker, with the persistent rumours attaching him to the "Batman Begins" sequel as yet unconfirmed.

"I started that rumour!" he smirks, "Or at leasts, my mum did! I don't think there's any validity in it but I wouls love to play the role. If it's either Sean Penn or me in line, then I want a showdown to prove which one of us is the better actor. We'd just have to oil up and wrestle for it..."

Don't be surprised if he does end up donning the white face-paint and extenuated grin...


And then the article goes on to talk about other stuff. Quite interesting read, I thought.

[The Last Meatbag]

Who knows? He could be alright

[The Chairman]

Going back to the Steve Carell rumour, Steve Carell himself commented on The Joker in an interview with UK movie mag Total Film. Here's an excerpt from the article:

Comparisons to frequent co-star Will Ferrell are also defelcted gracefully...before Carell gets down to the serious business of playing The Joker. Or, should we say, the not-so-serious business (Carell rarely stops clowning) of perhaps playing The Joker, with the persistent rumours attaching him to the "Batman Begins" sequel as yet unconfirmed.

"I started that rumour!" he smirks, "Or at leasts, my mum did! I don't think there's any validity in it but I wouls love to play the role. If it's either Sean Penn or me in line, then I want a showdown to prove which one of us is the better actor. We'd just have to oil up and wrestle for it..."

Don't be surprised if he does end up donning the white face-paint and extenuated grin...

And then the article goes on to talk about other stuff. Quite interesting read, I thought.

I like Carrell and I love The 40 Year Old Virign, but he's not Joker material. Penn is a much better choice compared to Carrell. My top choices are Tim Roth, Adrien Brody and Rupert Everett.







____________________________
"I just thonk people should be very free with sex. They should draw the line at goats". - Elton John

[Keyser Soze]

Roth's my top pick too.

[errisal]

To be honest with you John Leguizamo or Ewan McGregor would be good choices

[Dark Knight]

I would have been to partisan to write a review of eccleston, so here are a few reviews of eccleston in Othello which I’ve lifted from amazon.com the link to the reviews is posted at the bottom. I’ve highlighted eccleston’s specific stuff by under lining it.


I first saw this rendition of "Othello" over a year ago on PBS, and I was absolutely enthralled with it. Unlike other modern renditions of Shakespearian plays, this version replaces the iambic pentameter with a natural scripted dialogue without losing the meaning and power of Shakespeare's orginal writing. You will fall in love and emphathize with Walker's powerful portrayal of the ill-fated Othello, and you will scorn and shudder at Eccleston's perfectly manipulative Jago. This is by far my favorite version of Othello.

Fascinating- the same story but oh so different, April 17, 2002Reviewer: A viewerDon't think because you know the story, you know how this version is going to play out. I found it completely fascinating and the second time around this movie was as good as the first. Eamonn Walker was perfectly cast as the man who can control the crowds but not his own imagination. He was brilliant, but I'm afraid this movie belonged to Christopher Eccleston. Every time he faced the camera and gave a peek into what was really going on, he was stunning. For original Shakespearean text, go for Laurence Fishburne's version, but to try something new, definitely watch this one.

Best Modern Re-telling...Ever, February 24, 2002
Reviewer: Alan DeHaan (Muskegon, Michigan USA) -
I normally dislike movies that dispense with the words of Shakespeare. But for some reason, I loved this modern retelling of Othello.
It didn't feel false, like the so-called 'William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet'.
The acting in it is superb. Eamonn Walker really grabs ahold of the role of John Othello and makes it perfect. I honestly cannot think of another actor that could have played this role to such ability.
Christopher Eccleston's casting to play Ben Jago was the perfect choice. He really gets to the heart of the role. The friend, passed over for the job that was his. The words he uses as narrations are well written, and perfectly acted.
Overall, I give this retelling of Othello 5 stars. Though now, maybe someone can do a full telling of the traditional play in this medium.




Take Shakespeare's "Othello", stick it in modern-day England, (where both John Othello and Ben Jago *Iago* work at Scotland Yard,) take some prominent BBC actors, and you've got Masterpiece Theater's "Othello". It's hard not to automaticlly classify most "modern adaptations" as lame... but it's only fair to give them a chance, eh? If you need even one reason to see this... it's Christopher Eccleston. He is one evil butt-munch. Smiling one minute, glaring daggers the next... and he can pull it off. He's a pretty talented actor, so it's pretty fun to watch him go psycho, lol. It should be a nice addition to any collection of Shakespeare videos. Enjoy!

Amazingly enough, it works, February 6, 2002Reviewer: A viewerNot merely a recasting (like Ethan Hawke's HAMLET) of a Shakespeare play into a modern setting, this is a translation of the story into a contemporary police station, so that the themes of racial strife and sexual jealousy are even more palpable. Andrew Davies (who supposedly wants to do this with all the Shakespeare plays) dispenses with the Shakespearean language, but keeps the characterizations and some of the stylistic elements intact. Eamonn Walker is a quiet, thoughtful Othello, while Christopher Eccleston, as an Iago with a motive, is chillingly malevolent in a riveting performance that stops just shy of scenery-chewing. It sounds like it should be awful, but it's not. Definitely worth a look, and certainly a good companion piece to the Laurence Fishburne OTHELLO for a high school English class.


Hope these are helpful; I particularly like the last two reviews, believe me they are spot on! These reviews can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...ding=UTF8&s=dvd (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...eviews.start=11 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00005YUND/ref=cm_rev_next/002-0989634-9599226?%5Fencoding=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=130&s=dvd&customer-reviews.start=11)
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Eccleston over Bettany.....any day of the week, as Joker.

[DarMar106]

I don't know if anyone else thought of this, What about Alan Cumming?

[Muze]

I don't know if anyone else thought of this, What about Alan Cumming?

no?
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0236348/Ss/0236348/josie1.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Cumming,%20Alan

[Alexia Dark]

Meh, he's already been Nightcrawler; it would be too strange. Of course, there's Halle Berry and James Marsden to mess that bit up... but still 'no'.

[The Chairman]

i dont know if anybodys metioned this guy as the joker , but its worth the look , he definity has the acting ability , as seen in NBC's revelations , he also has the smile and the creepy laugh.

his name is Michael Massee

heres a joker-eque picture i took from a episode of revalations

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/kon-el/untitled.jpg

I saw him on the first season of 24, and he could probably pull of the part.
________________________________
Tim Roth for The Joker
Liev Schrieber for Two Face
Jeff Goldblum for The Riddler

[Alexia Dark]

Dude... that facial expression right there... perfect. Absolutely perfect. Someone needs to manip that.

[Muze]

Dude... that facial expression right there... perfect. Absolutely perfect. Someone needs to manip that.

yeah, that would work if we were only casting the Joker's head. i've seen plenty of movies with Massee in them. he's not even a buck-ten; small build. he played a racist cop in the movie 'Tales from the Hood.' go watch that movie, then come back here and tell us he's perfect. sheesh, this is such an easy choice. Christopher Eccleston or Paul Bettany. real actors as opposed to b-movie supporting character actors.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0114609/Ss/0114609/fcstil_0869a.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Massee,%20Michael

[Alexia Dark]

I get the impression that the Joker is supposed to be fairly small in build, relying on gadgets and whatnot instead of actual physical strength...

[Swordmaster]

Joker has to be tall, but thin

[mongo44]

Who knows? He could be alright

I'm a huge advocate for a comedian to play the part. No one, and I mean no one, will convience me that a serious dramatic actor will do a better job than a comedian in the role...

[mongo44]

before you go saying that, "his disturbing choice of humour...etc" you should remember that he didn't write it ricky gervais did, and he didn't even do as good a job as jervais in the show. (which was translated word for word from the british version!) i mentioned somewhere else on this forum that nolan could do worse than to colaborate with gervais on the jokers humour; this should be just as "cringe-worthy" as that of david brent
(british equivelent of carrells character...) good gosh, you really need to see the original version of the office...

(Sorry reading back a bit and I missed your and Doo's "corrections, and no disrespect intended in the following rebuttal. But I want to reply to the two opinions I've bolded).

When I talk about a "performer's" choice I realize there is a high probability the performer didn't actually write it, unless of course he is performing with Second City, et.all. A performer interprets the writing and makes a choice, sometimes good sometimes bad. In saying his "disturbing choice" that is what I was referencing. His delivery choice of the lines, which from what I have seen of Carrel's body of work he gives some fine choices for the director and editor to pick from, a "comedy buffet" so to speak. And you should look for some posts by me on this thread with regards to comedians doing a superior job over some of the dramatic acotrs mention here for the part of the Joker.

Now for the second item I have bolded. Yes, I want to see the British version. I am positive it is superior, since many have made the same comments. My point is for really wanting to see it is, I love the US Office a lot. I want more of it and I'm glad it's coming back this fall. Since I do not have the other to compare it to, it's still good in my book. But I do want and need to see the UK Office. I've heard nothing but good about it. But that can be said for a lot of British Comedies (with the exception of "My Hero"). Since I am a former comedian and currently a comedy writer trying to make my mark, I'm a big fan of Monty Python (I was actually in a group in the early 90's who's name was a tribute), Faulty Towers, Black Adder, and Mr. Bean. I actually grew up watching a lot of British comedies here on PBS starting in the early 70's. And as a side note "The Paul Hoggan Show" I watched years prior to Crockadile Dundee (Super Dag was my favorite bit). But "The Office" (US) has been my treat in TV comedies this last year.

[Borat]

In my English Media class we watched an episode of Buffy called "Hush". And there were these creepy guys that reminded me of Joker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Savagebeast/hushgentleman_225x375.jpg

Whoever they pick for Joker, I would like them to do the make up something like that.

[Farva]

I'd just like to know what they are teaching in your English Media Class?:eek:

[Alexia Dark]

I wanna go to that class. Mine is boring :(.

[JLBats]

Ha, I was just gonna post the Gentlemen idea.

[dark_b]

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3871/untitled1pd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Equinox]

In my English Media class we watched an episode of Buffy called "Hush". And there were these creepy guys that reminded me of Joker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Savagebeast/hushgentleman_225x375.jpg

Whoever they pick for Joker, I would like them to do the make up something like that.

:eek: :eek: .. Hes scary :(

[Alexia Dark]

Nice :up:.

Why don't you post that in my Fan Art thread(you know, with the sucky paint one I did)?

[darknight7]

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/948/joker17aw.jpg

BEST JOKER YET! hahaha lol :p

--dk7

[spanish39]

This is what I meant by thinking outside the box!

Kevin McKidd--Trainspotting, Rome, Kingdom of Heaven, Max, GTA: Vice City voice/Jezz

http://images.zap2it.com/20050810/kevinmckidd_rome_240.jpg
http://www.filmmonthly.com/Video/Articles/DogSoldiers/ryan.gif
http://film.onet.pl/_i/film/t/trainspotting/g/g4.jpg
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Kevin+McKidd/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12r09f4lh/EXP=1126542565/*-http%3A//www.pluto.no/filmfestival/off98/PROG/FEATURE/pics/acid%20house.jpg

or even

Toby Stephens--Bond/Die another Day, Space Cowboys

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mgm/die_another_day/_group_photos/rosamund_pike9.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mgm/die_another_day/toby_stephens/die.jpg
http://www.royaltoby.com/it-dame.jpg
http://www.jamesbond007.net/Bond20/Casting/Toby.jpg

[Brian2887]

I'm going to bring up Matthew Lillard again. I really think he needs another dark role to separate himself from Scooby Doo, and Joker is right up his alley. He showed off some great acting in SLC Punk!, and played a laughing, smiling looney killer in Scream. Not only does he have the chops, but he has the build. Lillard stands at 6'3, according to IMDB, and he is rail-thin. I think Lillard could be a great Joker.

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9901/29/shes.all.that/link.matthew.lillard.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sony_pictures_classics/slc_punk_/matthew_lillard/slc2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Vine/5034/poster.jpg



Another pic I have for the role is Paul Rudd. Most people know him as either Brian Fantana from Anchorman, Mike from Friends, that dude from Clueless, or Dave from The 40 Year-Old Virgin. Now, all those movie show some great comedic skills, but he is also one hell of a dramatic actor. In the movie Two Days, Paul plays a depressed actor who decides to film his last two days on Earth before killing himself. He does very well in the drama, showing off more range than I figured he had. I think, with some proper direction, he'd be an awesome Joker.

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/8129/CelebPhotos/paulrudd.jpg

http://www.screencaptures.net/r/rudd18.jpg

http://www.screencaptures.net/r/rudd01.jpg

[Nivek]

Farva wanted a manip, they guys got a good Joker look, very Brian Bolland...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/Noahtaylorjoker.jpg

[Farva]

Farva wanted a manip, they guys got a good Joker look, very Brian Bolland...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/Noahtaylorjoker.jpg

Thanks very much, I like it. Reminds me of "Arkham Asylum" comic. Taylor is probably my first choice right now.

Brian2887- I've never liked Matthew Lillard in anything, but somehow i can see him playing the Joker too. Not a bad find.

[Muze]

everytime someone suggests Matthew Lillard, an angel loses its wings.

[Farva]

http://www.thejournalnews.com/image/temp/05bailey.jpg

-"George Bailey, please stop mentioning Lillard!"

-"Well...I,I,I..well, I'm..I'm sorry Clarence"

[The French-dude]

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/spykids_cummings-thumb.jpg


Alan Cumming for Joker ?

[Superkryptonian]

I was all for Crispin Glover to be the new joker, untill Christopher Eccleston came into the mix, and after watching the full season of the new Dr Who, and many of his other movies, i couldnt beileve how much of a great actor he is, and would be able to pull off the character of Joker, and when i saw these pics it just sealed the deal for me, :joker:

Manip
http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg

Original

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/28345629-M.jpg

and finally my fav,

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/31974838-M.jpg

Made by pieeye :up:

[Showtime]

Fantastic Manips. Great way to sell him for the part.

[Keyser Soze]

I love those manips. Christopher Eccleston is not my top choice, but these pics single-handedly put him in my shortlist.

[Two-Face]

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/spykids_cummings-thumb.jpg


Alan Cumming for Joker ?


No No No!!

[Superkryptonian]

Fantastic Manips. Great way to sell him for the part.

Yep im a chris supporter now so i have to do my bit. :)

[regwec]

Yes, Pieeye's manips are fantastic.

[Superkryptonian]

I love those manips. Christopher Eccleston is not my top choice, but these pics single-handedly put him in my shortlist.

Glad to here hes on ur short list, but if havent you have u should take a look at some of his work, and ull see that he could truely could pull it off well, then maybe just maybe he'll become ur top choice. :up:

[Superkryptonian]

Yes, Pieeye's manips are fantastic.

Is that the guy who made the pics above, its just i couldnt find who made them.

[regwec]

Yes, I think so.

[spanish39]

You guys sound like your out campaigning or something lmao, or spreading you religion to those who will follow. It's pretty funny how a lot of you are like, "NO, how dare you mention that name here!" or "Maybe next time your taking a crap you will think about it and realize Eccelstone is the best choice ever after a drawing on the internet". I remember when people wanted him for Scarecrow, now Joker. Watch, if he doesn't get the part people will be making Eccelstone Riddler manips and freaking out. The artwork is fine and all but people are like worshiping it and posting it on every other page to remind everyone just how freaking great Chris is lol.

We need to make the damn list and new poll already and just get over it lol. Here is what I have, any others?


Lachy Hulme, Paul Bettany, Chris Eccelstone, Vincent Cassell, Michael Mckidd, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Steve Carell, Michael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Jason Lee, Alan Cummings.

I feel that Tim Roth, Sean Penn, Jude Law, Crispin Glover, and Steve Busemi should remain off the new poll cause people will vote for them on their name alone and thats not fair to people who have hardly been seen in many movies.

[Brian2887]

You guys sound like your out campaigning or something lmao, or spreading you religion to those who will follow. It's pretty funny how a lot of you are like, "NO, how dare you mention that name here!" or "Maybe next time your taking a crap you will think about it and realize Eccelstone is the best choice ever after a drawing on the internet". I remember when people wanted him for Scarecrow, now Joker. Watch, if he doesn't get the part people will be making Eccelstone Riddler manips and freaking out. The artwork is fine and all but people are like worshiping it and posting it on every other page to remind everyone just how freaking great Chris is lol.

We need to make the damn list and new poll already and just get over it lol. Here is what I have, any others?


Lachy Hulme, Paul Bettany, Chris Eccelstone, Vincent Cassell, Michael Mckidd, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Steve Carell, Michael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Jason Lee, Alan Cummings.

I feel that Tim Roth, Sean Penn, Jude Law, Crispin Glover, and Steve Busemi should remain off the new poll cause people will vote for them on their name alone and thats not fair to people who have hardly been seen in many movies.

I disagree about leaving names off. Just make it so you can vote for as many as you want, because I'd be fine with a few of those actors.

[pieeye]

hello Superkryptonian,
Thank you for your comments. I was the one who produced these manipulations. Just wanted to correct you on one thing...the picture you have below the first manip is not the original. If you go to my page "pieeyes batman artwork and manipulations" in the fan art page you will see the actual photo I used.
As for Eccleston, it seems that quite a few people are taking a liking to him for the role, although I like his acting, I also can see how some of the other candidates might be good. I have an artistic interest as a student of film and special effects in the look of Eccleston for the role, but I try and stay open minded about who else might have the talent. I will be opening my Joker site soon, so Ill try and keep you all posted.

-pieeye

[Superkryptonian]

hello Superkryptonian,
Thank you for your comments. I was the one who produced these manipulations. Just wanted to correct you on one thing...the picture you have below the first manip is not the original. If you go to my page "pieeyes batman artwork and manipulations" in the fan art page you will see the actual photo I used.
As for Eccleston, it seems that quite a few people are taking a liking to him for the role, although I like his acting, I also can see how some of the other candidates might be good. I have an artistic interest as a student of film and special effects in the look of Eccleston for the role, but I try and stay open minded about who else might have the talent. I will be opening my Joker site soon, so Ill try and keep you all posted.

-pieeye

Hey Pieeye

I dont understand, is this not the original, for the first miniphttp://www.smugmug.com/photos/28345630-M.jpg

And could u post the link to your art page i cant find it,:O Thanks man :)

[Keyser Soze]

Glad to here hes on ur short list, but if havent you have u should take a look at some of his work, and ull see that he could truely could pull it off well, then maybe just maybe he'll become ur top choice. :up:

Oh, I'm a big fan of his work. Being Scottish, I've seen a lot of his British TV work in projects such as "Hillsborough", "Doctor Who" and "Cracker", as well as his excellent performances in films such as "Shallow Grave" and "28 Days Later". I'd just never put two and two together and imagined that he could pull off The Joker. Which is strange, because he was originally my top choice for The Scarecrow...

[Keyser Soze]

And Spanish39, do you really have to be so cynical? This is a Joker Casting Thread, so the general point is to talk about candidates for The Joker we like. I've noticed that you haven't even given the name of one actor you'd like to play The Joker, since you're so busy crapping over everyone else's choices.

From what I've seen, you always play coy, saying "This is a shortlist of candidates who people generally like" rather than daring to add your backing to any of them. I'm not attacking ou or anything, I'm just saying - don't be so skeptical. try having a bit of fun, tell us what actors you like rather than jsut telling us actors you don't like.

As for your shortlist, why take out all the name actors? By taking out Crispin Glover, you're removing the most popular candidate to play The Joker. Personally speaking, I don't want Glover to play The Joker, as I feel people are backing him based on looks rather than acting ability. However, its unfair to remove a popular choice from the list just because we personally don't like them.

And isn't it possible that people will see a name like Tim Roth or Sean Penn and vote for them because they think they'd make a good Joker, rather than just because they recognise their name?

[Superkryptonian]

Oh, I'm a big fan of his work. Being Scottish, I've seen a lot of his British TV work in projects such as "Hillsborough", "Doctor Who" and "Cracker", as well as his excellent performances in films such as "Shallow Grave" and "28 Days Later". I'd just never put two and two together and imagined that he could pull off The Joker. Which is strange, because he was originally my top choice for The Scarecrow...

I know what you mean i never thought of chris, untill i seen those pics, and i was like ''why did i think of that, doh:eek: ''
Im sad he not doing Dr Who anymore, but if that means it gives him a better chance of being joker, as he wont be tied up with it, im fine with that. :D

[spanish39]

Sorry this is long, just clearing up lol, feel free to read or skip if you want..

And Spanish39, do you really have to be so cynical? This is a Joker Casting Thread, so the general point is to talk about candidates for The Joker we like. I've noticed that you haven't even given the name of one actor you'd like to play The Joker, since you're so busy crapping over everyone else's choices.

From what I've seen, you always play coy, saying "This is a shortlist of candidates who people generally like" rather than daring to add your backing to any of them. I'm not attacking ou or anything, I'm just saying - don't be so skeptical. try having a bit of fun, tell us what actors you like rather than jsut telling us actors you don't like.

As for your shortlist, why take out all the name actors? By taking out Crispin Glover, you're removing the most popular candidate to play The Joker. Personally speaking, I don't want Glover to play The Joker, as I feel people are backing him based on looks rather than acting ability. However, its unfair to remove a popular choice from the list just because we personally don't like them.

And isn't it possible that people will see a name like Tim Roth or Sean Penn and vote for them because they think they'd make a good Joker, rather than just because they recognise their name?

I can understand where your coming from with the names being taken off but as far as I can tell we have already seen Crispin Glover get all these votes in the past. I think it's only fair to all the other actors who have to be judged by other names with only like 5 or 6 votes when Crispin has like 30. I say we force people to vote for these other actors and leave out the big names. Then they will open their eyes to them. A lot of people will just vote for a big name cause they recognize it, and yes they also feel that person is a good choice, though the name in itself draws them too it over someone like a Toby Stephens or Noah Taylor that they don't know at all. Thats not fair to the others cause I think, and this is personaly only, that the other actors on the list are far more suitable then those left off.
With that said, the other thing was why don't I pick one. Well, I like these guys dont get me wrong, they are all great actors in theor own right of course, but even since I've been here from day 1 I have not seen anyone that is truly accurate. One will be missing something the other has no matter what. That and because I have started researching the new names of people I hear, though I know who most of them are already, and I just don't see it, there is something just not there wether it's beleivabilty as the Joker in reality or the voice or the grin or the face or haor or something ya know. I pick unknown, the guy who absolutly no one has ever seen before. Bringing more life to the character by letting you see Joker and not some actor you recognize from all these other movies or tv shows. I can make a cold hard choice with these guys if I have to but I don't so I just remark my opinion on the names I do here wether bad or good. I don't mean to offend anyone but sometimes people take it so personal lol. The only thing I'm mad about, not really mad lol but, most peole who come and go from here are HUGE bandwagon riders and live in the moment unfortunatly. With so many of them out numbering those who have been here or who stay polls tend to drift towards a certin person. Thats why I say force them to choose someone else that they may not have ever considered. They will truly think before voting. We should also post one great Joker-esque picture of them, no manips, in one post and keep re-posting that one every now and then so people know who they are voting for, otherwise it will come out one sided the same as always or you wont have but a handful of votes for all these actors we talk about everyday cause the big name ones will take them all. There will be those who absolutly wnat Penn or Glover or whoever from day one and yes it is unfair but the "other" people will make it more one sided. Maybe if you have a 2nd poll after that with the top choices and added all the big name ones for fun to see how they stack up now, that would be cool and could work. But the first one should have the names left off.

[sith martin]

hey meybe adam sandler

[Muze]

hey meybe adam sandler

what did the 5 fingers say to the face?

[gothamsterror]

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/emmys/53rd_emmy_awards_photos/michael_emerson/emmy.jpg


SAW is one of my all time favourite horror movies, and I was watching it last night, when Michael Emerson birefly looked so much like Joker. I was wondering if someone could do a manip of this picture for me so we can see if he really would look like Joker? It would be much appreciated.

[travellin_jack]

I see the actors listed on the poll, but I don't see the one I think would be the ideal choice as The Joker: Brad Dourif. Dourif would be especially perfect if they based his storyline on Batman: The Killing Joke.

Ironically, another actor I think could play the Joker well was already in Batman Begins as Thomas Wayne.

[Keyser Soze]

Brad Dourif is great. however, he's also over 50 years old. older than jack nicholson when HE played The Joker in 89.

[The Chairman]

Last night, I somehow came up with the idea of Matt Dillon for the role. I know most of you would disagree with me on this, but I think he'd be great. Tim Roth is still my top choice, though.

As a sidenote, tonight I'm seeing The Rolling Stones at Giant Stadium.

[spanish39]

Stefán Karl Stefánsson? 30 yrs. old, norway, speaks english as far as i can tell
http://www.lazytown.com/media/about/about_image_03.gif

Looks kinda like this huh?

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=the+joker+batman/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12enm28rp/EXP=1126939988/*-http%3A//www.dcfanpage.de/dcu/batman/images/joker_new_07.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

I suggested Matt Dillon a while ago, NASTI. Great actor, though I now think he may make a better Captain Cold.

And Spanish, what has Stefan Karl Stefansson been in?

[spanish39]

"Lazytown", a kids show of all things lol.

[Farva]

http://www.lazytown.com/media/about/about_image_03.gif



It's a small picture, so I can't tell, is that his real face or some type of prosthetic mask of sorts?

[The Chairman]

I suggested Matt Dillon a while ago, NASTI. Great actor, though I now think he may make a better Captain Cold.

And Spanish, what has Stefan Karl Stefansson been in?

Oh sorry. By the time I joined the sight there were over 130 pages of posts and I didn't feel like going through all of them and checking if I duplicated anyone's suggestion. I hope you understand.

By the way, last night, the Stones were simply awesome. Best song of the night: "She's So Cold".

[Keyser Soze]

Is that sarcasm, NASTI? No need for that. I wasn't attacking you for saying what I said, I was actually supporting your opinion by saying that I'd thought of Dillon as well.

[spanish39]

I believe he has some prosthetic but im not sure just how much. If you go to yahoo and put his name in, there is a normal picture of him on one of the first web links, if your interested. Weird looking dude though.

[Isildur´s Heir]

What about this guy for the Joker?
He is my choise for the role...

He is an amazing great actor that is very underrated, highly forgotten, but, at the same time, very praised...Michael Wincott.
I imagine him being the kind of actor that Nolan would choose for a movie, so, why no to be The Joker....he does look the part, and has an amazing voice for the clown prince of crime

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD025light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD094light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD112light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/Ealien10.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/capture93.JPG

And, for the one that voted for Cassel, Brody and Glover, the man look like them and he is a better actor, IMO.
At least, better than Cassel and Glover

[regwec]

...but not better than Eccleston, in my humble opinion.

[The Chairman]

Is that sarcasm, NASTI? No need for that. I wasn't attacking you for saying what I said, I was actually supporting your opinion by saying that I'd thought of Dillon as well.

Absoultely not! I was not being sarcastic. Don't take my last name too seriously. I'm actually a pretty nice person. At least, I consider myself to be one.







_________
Setlist from last night's Stones concert
Start Me Up
You Got Me Rocking
Shattered
Tumbling Dice
Rough Justice
Ruby Tuesday
Heartbreaker
Night Time Is The Right Time )
The Worst
In For Me
Miss You
Oh No Not You Again
She’s So Cold (best song of the night)
Honky Tonk Women
Out Of Control
Sympathy For The Devil
Jumpin’ Jack Flash
Brown Sugar
Satisfaction

Encore:
You Can’t Always Get What You Want
It’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll (But I Like It)

"Yesterday Don't Matter If It's Gone"

[Isildur´s Heir]

...but not better than Eccleston, in my humble opinion.
Christopher Eccleston is a good and solid actor, and he does look the part too, but, in humble opinion, he is not half as good as Michael Wincott.
And actor with an acting career of almost 30 years, in film, theater and television.
An actor that has worked with directors like Oliver Stone (Born on the Fourth of July, The Doors and Talk Radio), Michael Cimino (The Sicilian), Ridley Scott (1492: Conquest of Paradise), Alex Proyas (The Crow), Jim Jarmusch (Dead Man), Julian Schnabel (Basquiat and Before Night Falls), Jean-Pierre Jeunet (Alien: Resurrection) and a lot more...

In my opinion, Wincott is better than the majority of the actor in that poll
He is, IMO, one of the best underrated actor around.

[Mr Sensitive]

Michael Wincott is a very, very good idea, indeed.

Great actor.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I brought that suggestion in the Two-Face casting thread and I bring it here too just in case someone would say : Hey why not

Micheal Biehn

http://www.michaelbiehnfanclub.com/images/michael_biehn.jpg

[Isildur´s Heir]

I´m a huge of Michael Biehn, but i don´t picture him in neither role

[Roughneck]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but I'm gonna toss another name into the ring for Joker.

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_369233.jpg
http://www.cineclub.de/images/2001/tomcats_2.jpg


If they write the joker as comletely off his Ass Nuts and scary (as they should) Then Jake Busy would be absolutely perfect for the role.

[Farva]

If they write the joker as comletely off his Ass Nuts and scary (as they should) Then Jake Busy would be absolutely perfect for the role.

Well if you want nuts, lets just bring in the old man himself!!!
http://www.meenophoto.com/boys/images/04%20gary%20busey%20visits%20jail.jpg

[Farva]

Or maybe a Joker tag team of crazy Buseys?

http://www.lawandorder-fr.com/photos/lo/guests/busey02.jpg

[Roughneck]

Nah, Gary is too old. Jake is thae Way to go on this one.

[Farva]

Nah, Gary is too old. Jake is thae Way to go on this one.

Cmon buddy, it was a joke. :rolleyes:

Anyways, for those who want Crispin Glover as the Joker, here's some proof he's just as crazy as anyone else

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/746/

[Keyser Soze]

Michael Wincott is another idea I suggested earlier. I think he could be excellent as The Joker. My one worry is his age. How old must he be by now? Surely nearing 50...

[Isildur´s Heir]

Michael Wincott is another idea I suggested earlier. I think he could be excellent as The Joker. My one worry is his age. How old must he be by now? Surely nearing 50...
In fact, i was the first one that suggested Wincott for the role, back when the movie came out, back when there was still a sequel board.
BUt that doesn´t matter, cool to see that i´m not alone on this one...

Michael Wincott is 47.
But, IMO, that doesn´t matter one bit.
First, because no one knows how old The Joker is, and, with the white face and all that, it´s nearly impossible to have a good idea.
Second, it would work fine, because, if they go the The Killing Joke origin (which they shoull, because that´s the best one, and the one that i accept as the one), if make perfect sense and gives him an all new dimension as a comedian.
With 47, it just shows that the Joker should be a comedian for at least 20 years now, which makes him much more sympathetic, because comedy is his life, and not just a guy taking a crack at the gig.

[Mr Sensitive]

In fact, i was the first one that suggested Wincott for the role, back when the movie came out, back when there was still a sequel board.
BUt that doesn´t matter, cool to see that i´m not alone on this one...

Michael Wincott is 47.
But, IMO, that doesn´t matter one bit.
First, because no one knows how old The Joker is, and, with the white face and all that, it´s nearly impossible to have a good idea.
Second, it would work fine, because, if they go the The Killing Joke origin (which they shoull, because that´s the best one, and the one that i accept as the one), if make perfect sense and gives him an all new dimension as a comedian.
With 47, it just shows that the Joker should be a comedian for at least 20 years now, which makes him much more sympathetic, because comedy is his life, and not just a guy taking a crack at the gig.


Exactly, Heir.

Plus, he has a scary voice, knows how to play a twisted villain and has the looks (has a lean constitution, has the long chin, etc).

[Brian Braddock]

Totally agree on all points Michael Wincott but, i just cant imagine him pulling off the Joker laugh with that 100 ciggarettes-a-day voice off his.

[Keyser Soze]

I've heard him laugh in films. More of a sleazy, raspy laugh than what we're used to hearing The Joker do. But just because a Joker laugh is not his natural laugh doesn't mean he couldn't pull it off. I mean, if someone's NATURAL laugh sounded like The Joker's, I'd be quite worried...

[regwec]

Who can say what The Joker's laugh actually sounds like?

[The Last Meatbag]

I would think of Jokers laugh as a high pitched crazy loud laugh

[Two-Face]

Who can say what The Joker's laugh actually sounds like?



I like your sig. :up:

[Mister J]

The Joke's on Hulme and Bettany
Author: Jett
Saturday, Septmeber 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM, 5:11 PM CENTRAL TIME: Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...


...the plot thickens.:joker:

[The Last Meatbag]

My votes for Lachy

[Keyser Soze]

I prefer Bettany over Hulme. But that's only because I've seen Bettany act, and can vouch for the fact that he's a very good actor. I'm unfamiliar with Hulme's work. Plus, I think Bettany looks the part more.

[Joker831]

Ahh thats cool, not the top two choices for me, but definitly not bad ones. I still would had prefered Tim Roth, but hey lol, cant always get what we want.

Of those two, i'd have to go with Paul Bettany as someone else stated, mostly because i have seen him act.

Also, not sure if this article is 100% full proof, but usually is. So on that note, Paul Bettany for Joker lol

[spdrknight]

Good to hear some rumors finally, maybe things will start moving on the sequel by next year. I would love Bettany for the Joker so i am happy to hear this. Good news.

[Asr]

Holy nuts, Michael Wincott is a great suggestion! I think it's a better idea than Chris Eccleston in fact. Wincott for Joker!!!

[Sarge]

What about this guy for the Joker?
He is my choise for the role...

He is an amazing great actor that is very underrated, highly forgotten, but, at the same time, very praised...Michael Wincott.
I imagine him being the kind of actor that Nolan would choose for a movie, so, why no to be The Joker....he does look the part, and has an amazing voice for the clown prince of crime

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD025light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD094light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/TD112light.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/Ealien10.jpg

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Galleries/capture93.JPG

And, for the one that voted for Cassel, Brody and Glover, the man look like them and he is a better actor, IMO.
At least, better than Cassel and Glover
I *heart* you! I had completely forgotten about Michael, but he's an amazing actor that I wish I had considered before. His voice is among one of the coolest in the acting biz. That, and he seems like a very "Nolan" choice for the film. Here's to hoping. :up:

[regwec]

[size=2][font=Verdana][size=4]The Joke's on Hulme and Bettany[size=2]
Author: Jett
Saturday, Septmeber 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM, 5:11 PM CENTRAL TIME: Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...
Of those two, Bettany is the clear choice, though I do wish they'd at least give Eccleston a screen test.

[Sarge]

[QUOTE=Mister J][size=2][font=Verdana][size=4]The Joke's on Hulme and Bettany[size=2]
Author: Jett
Saturday, Septmeber 17, 2005 - 7:14 AM, 5:11 PM CENTRAL TIME: Two of BOF's best - and completely unrelated - sources have confirmed for us that Australian actor Lachy Hulme (pronounced "Lock-ee Hewm") and British thesp Paul Bettany are the only actors that BATMAN producers are considering for the role of The Joker. One of these two sources also told us that screen tests will indeed take place this fall, although it was unclear if one or both of these actors are testing...
Of those two, Bettany is the clear choice, though I do wish they'd at least give Eccleston a screen test.
Out of those two, Bettany would certainly be my preference. He's always been in my top five.

[Two-Face]

Yeah should have given Eccleston screen test, I think one of the actors could be great Joker.

[Karem-Knight]

What about this guy?



http://www.nndb.com/people/736/000022670/031024SB.jpg

He´s not my top choice but I just knew something Jokerish about him

[regwec]

That's Steve Buscemi, who is represented in the poll.

[antmanx68]

Even though he's not my number 1 choice, Bettany will kill as Joker, i can see it now.

[Qui Gon Ducard]

Thank god it's not going to be Glover, why anyone wanted that fool in the first place I'll never know!

[Keyser Soze]

It's becase people always back actors who look the part, rather than those who could do best in the role. It's the logic that made people want Billy Zane for Lex Luthor over Kevin Spacey.

[antmanx68]

It's becase people always back actors who look the part, rather than those who could do best in the role. It's the logic that made people want Billy Zane for Lex Luthor over Kevin Spacey.

Lex Luthor doesnt quite require as much range as the Joker. Billy Zane could have turned in a great Lex Luthor performance in his sleep, there's no need to cast Spacey because he's Singer's buddy (and terribly overrated if you ask me).

[Equinox]

What about this guy?



http://www.nndb.com/people/736/000022670/031024SB.jpg



:( :down

[Two-Face]

What about this guy?



http://www.nndb.com/people/736/000022670/031024SB.jpg

He´s not my top choice but I just knew something Jokerish about him

I wanted Steve Buscemi for Scarecrow but I think he cam be pretty good Joker.

[TheJuice]

He's been brought up many, many times, but Eccleston is not a bad choice.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/mar2005/9/7/0005849D-0496-1240-BBFA80C328EC0000.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/teaser/800/04.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40957000/jpg/_40957343_cards_203.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Lex Luthor doesnt quite require as much range as the Joker. Billy Zane could have turned in a great Lex Luthor performance in his sleep, there's no need to cast Spacey because he's Singer's buddy (and terribly overrated if you ask me).


Overrated? Kevin Spacey is arguably the finest actor of his generation. His CV speaks for itself: The Usual Suspects, Se7en, Swimming With Sharks, LA Confidential, American Beauty. "Superman Returns" is lucky to have such a great actor playing its villain, a more-than-worthy successor to Gene Hackman. He's definitely the main reason I want to see it.

[regwec]

Spacey's pretty talented, but I don't think he's anything like "the finest actor of his generation". Who exactly are you comparing him with?

[Asr]

Kevin Bacon for Joker?

[Keyser Soze]

Spacey's pretty talented, but I don't think he's anything like "the finest actor of his generation". Who exactly are you comparing him with?

I'm thinking of the actors in his age range, late forties. This is a strong group of talent, including other contenders for the title like Sean Penn, Kevin Bacon (who could indeed make a good Joker Asr) and Gary Oldman. But in terms of their bodies of work, I'd say Kevin Spacey is the best.

[Radford]

I think for the smile, nobody can do it better than Ewan McGregor, he has that HUGE smile with both rows of teeth showing and his lip line archs realllllly high.

But i dont think he could act the part, sadly.

[spanish39]

I can't believe names like these even come up while talking about the Joker, absolutly horrible lol.

[Radford]

Well as far as McGregor goes, i never said he should be cast, and he shouldnt.


I just said he has the smile. :hq:

[TheRealSuperMan]

McGregor :up: but im just happy that we know for sure the jokers going to be in the next movie i really want jude law:)

[Keyser Soze]

I wouldn't want Jude Law as The Joker, The Riddler, Magneto, Fing Fang Foom or God knows what other comic book character he's being mooted for. And in all honesty, I don't think he'd be likely to do it. He turned down Bryan Singer's numerous requests for him to play General Zod in "Superman Returns", and since law was Singer's only choice for the role, the character was written out of the script.

But back on topic, I'm a big fan of his work, but I couldn't see McGregor pulling off The Joker. And while Kevin Bacon is a better choice, I think he'd be better suited to Harvey Dent. We really need some fresh buzz. The Bettany/Hulme news gave the thread a boost for a while.

[Freedom77]

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8800/capture939et.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture939et.jpg)

Now this looks scary.:eek:

[antmanx68]

I'm thinking of the actors in his age range, late forties. This is a strong group of talent, including other contenders for the title like Sean Penn, Kevin Bacon (who could indeed make a good Joker Asr) and Gary Oldman. But in terms of their bodies of work, I'd say Kevin Spacey is the best.


haha, o-k KEYSER, you're obviously a huge Spacey fan so im not gonna try to convince you otherwise. But I find him terribly boring and I dont see why everyone thinks he's so great. I think he's generally kind of monotone and effeminate in his roles and i just dont get what the big deal is.

I never said he was a BAD actor, but whenever i hear statements like your "one of the best actors of his generation" i just kind of shrug. To me he is just unremarkable and is in no way in a league of his own like many people say. Although he has been in some great movies, I hardly think that HE was the reason for them being great, he is really good at choosing roles (most of the time, we'll overlook beyond the sea.) He's a good singer though.

anyways, he cant play Joker (well, i guess some people think he could, and he'd be great because he can do anything) so im done talking about him.

Bettany's gonna get it, i have a feeling.

[Caliber]

I'm thinking of the actors in his age range, late forties. This is a strong group of talent, including other contenders for the title like Sean Penn, Kevin Bacon (who could indeed make a good Joker Asr) and Gary Oldman. But in terms of their bodies of work, I'd say Kevin Spacey is the best.

I think Kevin Spacey isn't a good choice for Joker but is a great actor. I still think Dennis Leary could be great as Joker.

[Brian2887]

I think Kevin Spacey isn't a good choice for Joker but is a great actor. I still think Dennis Leary could be great as Joker.

I would have disagreed with you before I saw Rescue Me the other night. Dude has some range.

[Caliber]

I would have disagreed with you before I saw Rescue Me the other night. Dude has some range.

I never really seen Rescue Me but from what I've seen, he could do it.

[NOFX]

I wouldn't want Jude Law as The Joker, The Riddler, Magneto, Fing Fang Foom or God knows what other comic book character he's being mooted for. And in all honesty, I don't think he'd be likely to do it. He turned down Bryan Singer's numerous requests for him to play General Zod in "Superman Returns", and since law was Singer's only choice for the role, the character was written out of the script.

Jude Law would do the Joker if he has the chance. Jude Law did try out for Superman during the Ratner days. He did a comic book movie in Road to Perdition. He's a huge Michael Caine Fan. He's an oscal calibar actor. And most importantly He's english!!! :cool:

[Caliber]

Jude Law would do the Joker if he has the chance. Jude Law did try out for Superman during the Ratner days. He did a comic book movie in Road to Perdition. He's a huge Michael Caine Fan. He's an oscal calibar actor. And most importantly He's english!!! :cool:

Law might be an ok choice but just because he was in Road to Perdition and English, doesn't make him a good choice.

[Keyser Soze]

Just to clarify, I'm not backing Kevin Spacey for The Joker. My praise of him was based on some off-topic remarks saying he wasn't a good actor, which I replied too. Of course he can't be Joker, he's Lex Luthor.

And Antmanx68, you would be in the minority in your opinion of him. Empire Magazine have, in various nationwide opinion polls, voted Kevin Spacey as the best actor of Empire's generation (in their 15th anniversary special), the best actor of the 90s, and the second best actor of all time, after Robert DeNiro. And a TV show chrnoicling the 100 Greatest movie Stars Of All Time had him at number 4. But this is a Joker thread, so that's me done talking about him as well.

Tim Roth would still be my top choice for The Joker, but I wouldn't be unhappy with Lachy Hulme or Paul Bettany. Well, in the case of Hulme I'd be indifferent, because I haven't seen him act. But I have seen Bettany act, and he's a talented actor. So I'd be happy to see him get the part of The Joker.

[Kent]

I don't know if he's been mentioned yet, and there's no way I'm looking through 150+ pages to find out.
I say Michael Wincott might be a good choice.

[regwec]

Bettany's gonna get it, i have a feeling.
I have a feeling you're right, and I would be very happy with that.











Eccleston, Dammit. :(

[darknight7]

I agree, I think Bettany is going to get it. And i beleive he would be a good choice. (i have faith in Nolan, he knows what he is doing)

--dk7

[Hudson]

Yeah I think a creepy brit will get the role..
also I was thinking the other day that Daniel Craigh wouldn't be a bad Two face.

[Keyser Soze]

Daniel Craig is my pick for Zoom actually.

And the more I think about it, the more I'm liking the idea of Paul Bettany as The Joker.

[Keyser Soze]

Here's the latest news from BOF about Paul Bettany and Lachy Hulme in the running for The Joker.

Tuesday, Septmeber 20, 2005 - 9:20 PM CENTRAL TIME: Got this in today from a dude "in the business." He's proven to be legit, as we have a mutual friend - a source I trust very much - who vouches for the guy. Here's what he had to say about the recent Hulme/Bettany news:

Jett, we have a mutual friend in XXXX. I work as a XXXX for XXXX, which puts me in contact with our friend quite a bit. I read your story about this Lachy Hulme and Paul Bettany as candidates for The Joker and was compelled to write. By the way, long time reader, first time “scooper.”

I got what you said about Hulme and Bettany being the only candidates producers are looking at right now. From my experience, what is probably going on is that Chuck Roven or someone who works for/with him is gathering names and taping some short “screentests” for himself and Chris Nolan - once he actively begins working on the sequel. While this means something, it means nothing as well.

Obviously, they are interested in those two guys, but it certainly doesn’t mean they are the final choices - that’s the “means nothing part.” On the other hand, it shows that despite the lack of an “official announcement,” the powers that be are actively working on a follow-up to BATMAN BEGINS - that’s the “means something” part.

While I’m totally not a “Hollywood Bigshot,” I have worked in the business for quite some time, know a lot of people, have contections, etc. And it is common knowledge that there is going to be another BATMAN film. Hell, that's hardly a newsflash - but everyone knows it and people are scrambling to be a part of it.

One last thing - and this is based more on my own opinion. Don’t look for a star to nab the role. Christian Bale is the star of this series and there is no need to bring in some “name” to get people in theaters. They are going after a solid actor who will be “The Joker,” and will not be looked upon as “that’s ‘Big Name Actor X’ acting like The Joker.” Get my drift?

Love your site - you’d be surprised who reads it. If you use this, put me down as “Mr. Glass.” So there you have it from "Mr. Glass." I wonder if the guy is a fan, or friend, of M. Night Shyamalan?

[spanish39]

there is no need to bring in some “name” to get people in theaters. They are going after a solid actor who will be “The Joker,” and will not be looked upon as “that’s ‘Big Name Actor X’ acting like The Joker.” Get my drift?

Which is what I have been saying the ENTIRE time.

[Nietzsche]

cHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON FOR JOKER. HE WILL GIVE YOU THE PERFECT BALANE OF EVIL AND COMEDY. HE'LL BE THE TAS JOKER ON THE BIG SCREEN, ONLY DARKER AND SCAIRER! ECCLESTON! YOU WON'T BE DISSAPOINTED...

[Just5cents]

Awesome my first post!:up:

You guys dont think that Jack Nicklson didnt do a good joker!? I really liked how he did that role, but to keep with the poll i would say...Mark Hamill!

[millennium movies]

Christopher Walken. He's got that creepy crazy yet unpredictable look.

[regwec]

Too old, looks wrong, humourless, has already been in a Batman movie.

[Two-Face]

Regwec is right, I don't want former Batman actors of previous movies.

[spanish39]

This Poll Is Old!

[Two-Face]

Spanish! how are you doing??

[millennium movies]

Too old, looks wrong, humourless, has already been in a Batman movie.

Bleh...

[spanish39]

I'm good face, how have you been?

We need to quickly do something about this poll!

Who is the moderator these day? Is it still C. Lee?

[Sarge]

I'm good face, how have you been?

We need to quickly do something about this poll!

Who is the moderator these day? Is it still C. Lee?
We're modless these days...after snipe left forum mods slowly went the way of the Dodo on Mirkos command, and C.Lee is a universal now.

[MrP3118]

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/2015/posters/poster1.jpg (http://movieweb.com/movies/film.php?2015)
Jim Carrey for joker!!!

[Spider-fan.]

I think he'd be great. Has the age, mystery and look IMHO


http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2594/Events/2594/balthazarg_grani_3489014_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Getty,%20Balthazar




Too bad because he's American he won't be considered.

[Duneboy]

i'll try to check out this posting more often becuase I'd like to know some of your thoughts on peter stormare, ray liota, jack black, or bill paxton.

[DarkKnightJRK]

The problem with the American part was the fact that Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes, and (I think) Liam Neeson are American.

[Joker]

Nope, I don't see it.

[Spider-fan.]

The problem with the American part was the fact that Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes, and (I think) Liam Neeson are American.


Ok. Well my problem with that is Freeman and Holmes played minor roles. Holmes is a bad actress. Neeson is very talented, but also European like most of the other cast. Sorry to be cynical, but it's the truth! Paul Bettany is too good looking to play the Joker. He looks like he'll be boring. There's so many other American actors who can play that role.

[War Lord]

Liam Neeson is Irish.

[Saint]

Sigh, here we go with people pretending Nolan doesn't like American actors or some crap like that.

[War Lord]

Sigh, here we go with people pretending Nolan doesn't like American actors or some crap like that.

He hates Americans?

Why should he be different from other non-Americans?

[Spider-fan.]

Sigh, here we go with people pretending Nolan doesn't like American actors or some crap like that.


Excuse me, did you let me finish? There's more, so hold off on your premature jumping to conclusions. I never said Nolan (who I think is a wonderful director) hates Americans. What I find curious though is why did JK Rowling make such a piss about Americans being considered for Harry Potter. And that was treated with international press and we have Batman himself (as well known if not more than HP) continously be so damn intent on getting non-American actors in these parts. And again, these British actors are astounding. Nothing personal is meant by this. Bale, Murphy, Wilkinson and Neeson all gave good performances. I'm not the only one with this opinion.

Apparently no one else has the balls to say it.

[Freedom77]

Yes Liam Neeson is Irish, so is Cillian Murphy.... and so am I:p

[Muze]

I think he'd be great. Has the age, mystery and look IMHO


http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2594/Events/2594/balthazarg_grani_3489014_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Getty,%20Balthazar

wow. he has none of that imho. actually i'd be surprised to see him play any batman villain; just very drab looking.


Too bad because he's American he won't be considered.

if he's not considered, it's probably because he a) doesn't have the right look/build for the joker and b) there are way too many better actors out there. seriously, what made you think this guy deserved his own thread? :)

[War Lord]

Yes Liam Neeson is Irish, so is Cillian Murphy.... and so am I:p

I'm so sorry to hear that you're Irish.

[Psycho_Sith]

Nolan's not anti-American at all, that's lame. He picks great actors for great roles - some of the great actors he chooses being not of American birth.

[Zaphod]

Excuse me, did you let me finish? There's more, so hold off on your premature jumping to conclusions.

Yes, he did let you finish. You closed the post without a word spoken on any of what you just said. If you dont want us misinterpreting you, then try and post your opinions in detail in one extensive post, and not bactrack on them in another post after someone else contends with you.


I never said Nolan (who I think is a wonderful director) hates Americans. What I find curious though is why did JK Rowling make such a piss about Americans being considered for Harry Potter. And that was treated with international press and we have Batman himself (as well known if not more than HP) continously be so damn intent on getting non-American actors in these parts. And again, these British actors are astounding. Nothing personal is meant by this. Bale, Murphy, Wilkinson and Neeson all gave good performances. I'm not the only one with this opinion.

Apparently no one else has the balls to say it.

I think you answered your own question there. He chooses british actors because those partcular actors are very adapt to playing the roles. Have you seen any of Nolans other work? Insomnia? That movie starred both Al Pacino and Robin Williams, both non-british stars who were best suited to those roles. Were you actually dissapointed with any of the performances in Batman Begins imparticular? What other alternative American stars would you cast in their places?

[spanish39]

peter stormare has to heavy of an accent.

ray liotta is to old and no where near what the joker is, acting crazy and acting like the Joker are 2 different things.

Jack Black is to fat and weird for the Joker. His weird is not Joker weird.

Bill Paxton is way to old. Funny and he is Coconut Pete and Chet, but he is past his Joker like prime if that makes any sense to you.

Just my thoughts like you asked. Damn straight lol.

[chirs00]

While I like Bettany as an actor and I think he would be great, I'm starting to think that he would be a bad call. My reasoning is that he's going to be made up to be albino and playing a sinister villain in The DaVinci Code - which will bring him huge exposure. The roles are too similar.

Hope I'm not being redundant but the 3000+posts in the casting thread are far too daunting to check.

[Two-Face]

I'm good face, how have you been?

We need to quickly do something about this poll!

Who is the moderator these day? Is it still C. Lee?



Yeah it's still Mr C. Lee I haven't seen around lately.

[Dark Knight]

i think it will come down to Bettany and Eccleston. Better not be Hulme, thats for sure!

[deathfromabove]

i still think joaquin pheonix would make a great joker. he completely dissapears into his role. anyone seen him as cash in that new movie? anyway watch him in gladiator and youll see what i mean. he can do sadistic and insane. eccelson or bettany would probably work too.

[Dark Sentinel]

i still think joaquin pheonix would make a great joker. he completely dissapears into his role. anyone seen him as cash in that new movie? anyway watch him in gladiator and youll see what i mean. he can do sadistic and insane. eccelson or bettany would probably work too.

phoenix's already in the running for Two-Face. sorry.

[spineblaZe]

Get Mark Hammil to lose a little weight and he has my vote 1000 times over. It would be like a wet dream to see him play the Joker.

[Farva]

Get Mark Hammil to lose a little weight and he has my vote 1000 times over. It would be like a wet dream to see him play the Joker.

There's a joke in there somewhere involving pee-wee herman and a theatre, but ill just leave that one alone. :p

Mark Hamill/Kevin Conroy = great cartoon voices, but NOTHING MORE. Please leave it alone!

[Spider-fan.]

[QUOTE=Zaphod]Yes, he did let you finish. You closed the post without a word spoken on any of what you just said. If you dont want us misinterpreting you, then try and post your opinions in detail in one extensive post, and not bactrack on them in another post after someone else contends with you.

What are you talking about? Your attitude and his are seriously rubbing me the wrong way. It's almost snobbish.

[regwec]

He hates Americans?

Why should he be different from other non-Americans?
I'm British, and I do not hate Americans. The French tend to bother us more.

[Spider-fan.]

I'm British, and I do not hate Americans. The French tend to bother us more.

Interesting. But a couple of other posters are saying I said Nolan hates Americans. I never said Nolan does hate Americans. But again, these people aren't interested in opinion. They want people playing ball on their court. Anything objectionable or "out of line" is open to be distorted and molded into something else. Frankly, I don't think those posters know any better.

[Spider-fan.]

Nolan's not anti-American at all, that's lame. He picks great actors for great roles - some of the great actors he chooses being not of American birth.

Interesting......For the 3rd time, interestingly enough I never said Nolan was anti-American. Where you're getting that crap is beyond my wildest of guesses.

[Mister J]

I love Hamill's Joker voice, but the difference in age between he and Bale would throw off the Joker/Batman dynamic for me.

[raybia]

At this point my choices for Two Face are

1. joaquin phoenix (Strong possibility)

2. Guy Pearce (high doubtful)

Joker

I have no idea. I guess one of the two that are currently doing screentest. No one really jumps out at me, but a young Ray Liotta would have been great.

[Psycho_Sith]

Interesting......For the 3rd time, interestingly enough I never said Nolan was anti-American. Where you're getting that crap is beyond my wildest of guesses.

Ok, let me be a bit clearer. I was not directing what I said to you or accusing you of saying Nolan was anti-American. I was just stating that it's untrue.

Not once did I aim my comment at anyone.
Cool?
Cool. :up:

[Dark Knight]

At this point my choices for Two Face are

1. joaquin phoenix (Strong possibility)

2. Guy Pearce (high doubtful)

Joker

I have no idea. I guess one of the two that are currently doing screentest. No one really jumps out at me, but a young Ray Liotta would have been great.


whos doing screentests for Two-Face? I would rather have Liev Schrieber as Two-Face than Phoenix.

[chirs00]

I've gotta think that "DaVinci Code" will take Bettany out of the running. The monk he's playing is a major villain of the story and he's albino. Seems repetetive to cast him to play another high-profile villain with odd coloration. True, they are very different characters but DaVinci will be a huge movie. Any thoughts?

[Zaphod]

Interesting. But a couple of other posters are saying I said Nolan hates Americans. I never said Nolan does hate Americans. But again, these people aren't interested in opinion. They want people playing ball on their court. Anything objectionable or "out of line" is open to be distorted and molded into something else. Frankly, I don't think those posters know any better.

Oh please, dont make out that your being hounded by other members of this board because of your opinion on Nolans casting. The fact that you have an opinion at all doesn't make you any more credible in what you're suggesting, even though you are entitled to it like all of us. If you're suggesting that Nolan is being biased to the American stardom, in not casting enough of them in Begins, then you're obviously wrong, seeing as how he has been shown to favour american actors in past movies. Just because he opts for a mostly british cast in Begins doesn't make him wrong in that respect, he simply see's talent as a more formidable importance than nationality, which, quite frankly, most of us do. Seeing as reportely you have no contention to the cast of this movie, all turning in 'good performances', then why are you raising this as an issue in the first place?

[Punch]

What are you talking about? Your attitude and his are seriously rubbing me the wrong way. It's almost snobbish.
He's saying that you are typing this conversation, not speaking, therefore he could not have interrupted you while making your point.
Typing "did you let me finish?" is just a silly thing to do because when you post no one decides when you are done but you.

[raybia]

I've gotta think that "DaVinci Code" will take Bettany out of the running. The monk he's playing is a major villain of the story and he's albino. Seems repetetive to cast him to play another high-profile villain with odd coloration. True, they are very different characters but DaVinci will be a huge movie. Any thoughts?

Well WB knows he is playing that role and they are still proceeding with a screentest.

I think his performance in the movie will make or break him for the role of the Joker more so than the success of the DaVinci Code itself even though he is playing an albino. Other than that similarity, the albino and the Joker are completely different.

[chirs00]

I definitely think he's qualified. Just wonder if it will be a good call when the preceding movie will be so widely seen. Then again, his appearance will probably be altered pretty dramatically for both roles. Just found myself wondering if he as an actor would be interested in playing two heavily costumed villains in two major big-budget releases so close together.

[The Chairman]

I'm not sure if this name has been brought up before, but what about Ethan Hawke for The Joker? I never actually saw one of his movies, but I hear he's a great actor, plus I've seen pictures of him and he looks like he could pull off the part.:up: :)

[DeFett]

I would have to see this guy act before making any real opinion but his look I don't feel is right.

[Orko Is King]

****ing Ralph? :confused:

[Milkman95]

I still like Vincent Cassell..........

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art18795.jpg

[Mr Sensitive]

Yep. Cassel.

[mongo44]

I haven't been in here for a while, don't have time to read everyone's theories or dogmatic opinions, just give mine and run.....























...STEVE CARRELL FOR JOKER!!!




..........*running*

[Two-Face]

I haven't been in here for a while, don't have time to read everyone's theories or dogmatic opinions, just give mine and run.....

...STEVE CARRELL FOR JOKER!!!




..........*running*




run run run..... :mad:

[Dark Knight]

I've gotta think that "DaVinci Code" will take Bettany out of the running. The monk he's playing is a major villain of the story and he's albino. Seems repetetive to cast him to play another high-profile villain with odd coloration. True, they are very different characters but DaVinci will be a huge movie. Any thoughts?


his villain in Da Vinchi will be completely opposite of what Joker is all about. Plus Da Vinchi will be coming two years before the next Bat sequel. So that is plenty of time between villain roles.

[chirs00]

Hadn't realized the gap would be that large. He'll probably do at least a couple decent rolls in between. Frankly, I can't imagine Nolan would even be giving any thought to casting at this phase.

[Kronser]

cassell was a great call, still think bettany will get the nod though

[sasquatchs]

Lol, Nolan is half american anyway, half his family are from Chicago or something. The actors cast were just the best for the roles and I assume he has a good knowledge of British talent living in the UK.

[Keyser Soze]

Here's an interesting thought. Ian McKellan, Alfred Molina and Paul Bettany are all in "The DaVinci Code". That would mean that, if Bettany is cast as The Joker, we could potentially have Magneto, Doctor Octopus and The Joker all sharing the screen.

[BatMan032886]

I haevnt read every post about the Joker so far, but I am just wondering why alot of people think Hulme would be good as the Joker? I like Bettany or Eccleston.

[logan_weapon_x]

I'm sure, although this is isn't a good reason, but I think it's because he's a virtually unknown.

[Mr. Freeze]

Not to mention he appeared in the matrix video game and appeared like a dofus and was in the movie for like 5 seconds

But apparently Nolan and co plus Jett saw him in some indie film and imideatley saw him as a good fit for the Joker....I trust Nolan

[happy]

who?