Joker Casting Threads [merged-30]

[The Chairman]

I don't understand why everyone seems to love Hulme, either, or Bettany for that matter. I'm still pushing for Tim Roth or Adrien Brody, and if not them than definitely Crispin Glover and possibly Sean Penn. Christopher Eccleston is also starting to appeal to me.

[DeFett]

^ I was watching Dr. Who the other day and was thinking that Christopher Eccleston had a real Joker look to him.

[Brian2887]

After such a long-ass time reading this thread, I've decided to post my new top 5 choices...

1. Jason Lee (Dogma, Chasing Amy, My Name is Earl, Vanilla Sky, Almost Famous)
- Lee is a very funny actor who can deliver lines that send a chill down your spine. Watch "The Holy Bartender" scene from Dogma to see why he's my number one choice for the role.
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/dogma4.jpg


2. Paul Bettany (A Knight's Tale, A Beautiful Mind, Master and Commander)
- Bettany has been one of my favorite actors for a while, and if Nolan thinks he can pull off Joker, then I have no qualms with him.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/a_knight_s_tale/paul_bettany/knightpre4.jpg

3. Tim Roth (Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Planet of the Apes, The Musketeer)
- Roth is an amazing actor known to be high energy and terrific with accents and voices. He may be the best actor in Hollywood when it comes to playing villains.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/lucky_numbers/tim_roth/numberspre2.jpg


4. Matthew Lillard (Scream, Wicker Park)
- Scream proves to me that Lillard has what it takes. He's tall, lanky, and can deliver one-liners with the best of em. Really, watch the end of Scream to see Lillard at his best.
http://www.beepworld.de/memberdateien/members15/kraehesratpage/scream5.jpg




Finally, my black-horse candidate. The guy who I'm not sure if he could handle the role, as he has only been in one major production... a television series. But, he's hilarious, over-the-top, and at times creepy. He has the build, and the voice. He may be the best for the job, actually.


5. Will Arnett (Arrested Development)
http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/gallery_justinstephens.jpg
http://www.forever-veiled.net/scanned/images/Actors/WillArnett1.jpg
http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/ep_peteriovino.jpg

[darknight7]

im pretty interested in seeing Bettany do it, cuz i think he could do a good job...as long as he looked like this

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1764/bbwpg6lg4bn.jpg

but i think they could do that...
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/a_knight_s_tale/paul_bettany/knightpre4.jpg


--dk7

[Brian2887]

and a couple more Arnett....

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/arrested_viles.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/wedding_crashers/will_arnett/crasherprek.jpg
http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/_group_photos/will_arnett42.jpg

Can't you see the eccentricity and theatricality of Gob intensified to near-insane levels as Joker?

[DeFett]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/DeFett/paulbettanyjoker.jpg

[Farva]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/DeFett/paulbettanyjoker.jpg

I'd like to see this pic maniped with a wide grin. Any takers?

[pieeye]

hello all, www.jokeronfilm.com is almost ready to be launched. If you go there now you will only see the under construction splash page, but it will give you an aidea of what the site will look like (somewhat). I will hopefully be launching it at the latest by Monday. Oh and farva, on my site I have a page devoted to the three candidates that are most likely in the running. I will have a "work in progress" page for a manipulation I will be doing of a grinning Bettany...

-pieeye

[regwec]

Cool.

[Cowboy_Buddha]

What does everyone want? Joker already the Joker or the movie starts with Joe Kerr falling into the chemicals because of Batman (like '89).

[BatMan032886]

I want him to be Joker already. And maybe, maybe, a flashback to his past when Batman first encounters him.

[regwec]

I would like The Joker to simply "be", and for Batman to reflect that not every effect has a cause, not every killer has been a victim, and not all evil has a motive.

[pieeye]

hello all,

Please visit www.jokeronfilm.com. It just went live tonight!! I dont have much in the way of news there YET so please bear with me as I get things going. Take note that when you get to the splash page you can either mouse over and click on the jokers teeth to brinig up links to various pages or hit the "skip to news" word button. Enjoy!!

-pieeye

[The Black Mask]

Paul Bettany

[regwec]

hello all,

Please visit www.jokeronfilm.com (http://www.jokeronfilm.com/). It just went live tonight!! I dont have much in the way of news there YET so please bear with me as I get things going. Take note that when you get to the splash page you can either mouse over and click on the jokers teeth to brinig up links to various pages or hit the "skip to news" word button. Enjoy!!

-pieeye
Looks fantastic, Pieeye! I look forward to seeing a Bettany manip. :up:

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Anyone ever consider Nick Stahl? He's got what it takes. Someone should manip this:
http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_1720789.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif


Also, if Rutger Hauer was younger, say like Blade Runnerish, wouldn't he have made an excellent Joker?
http://scribble.com/uwi/br/brfaq/batty-black.jpg

[Edd Extraordinaire]

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t978/T978610A.jpg

[Equinox]

For all you haters of Lachy Hulme, who say he doesnt look the part,

http://www.jokeronfilm.com/lachy2.jpg

[regwec]

That image has been squashed a lot.

[Equinox]

That image has been squashed a lot.

What do you mean?

http://www.jokeronfilm.com/lachy3.jpg

[regwec]

That one, too, unless the room is filled with people whose heads happen to be four times taller than they are wide.

[BK]

He means his face in those pics are skinnier than what it really is due to the image not being in true widescreen.

[Equinox]

He means his face in those pics are skinnier than what it really is due to the image not being in true widescreen.

I think hes pretty skinny as it is.. Well, anyways..

[spanish39]

oh my god, can you be anymore picky dude? Who gives a crap if his head is not in "true" widescreen? Thats obvious anyway. We are talking about the crazy look, the eyes, the demeanor, not the size of his damn forehead in conjunction with his jaw or something, just the fact that he looks freakin nuts. He is to big now he would lose weight which would also show in his face or head if thats the problem you are having. He has a regular head like you and me and any piece of film with him in it can be distorted causing it to look like his forehead is 4x bigger than his cheeks or jaw or something. The man can play nuts and look it. Nitpicking is hilarious to read though lol, thanks for the laugh.

[regwec]

Don't be silly. The image is so distorted that it's hard to tell what Hulme even looks like. "Nitpicking" is not an issue in those circumstances.

[spanish39]

use your imagination or better yet go watch the film. The picture was be shown to prove he can look crazy, not show off his head. A bad picture, plain and simple. It is nitpicking cause you picked that one thing to talk about over anythingelse from that picture seemingly just to find something to rip on him on.

[regwec]

One shouldn't have to use one's imagination when presented with an image for illustrative purposes.

I don't think that Hulme is necessarily a bad candidate, but nor can those pictures be used in his favour.

[Two-Face]

Name of the movie please?

[Muze]

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t978/T978610A.jpg

he's already in Batman Begins.

[sasquatchs]

A couple of pics from Four Jacks, he can look intimidating. Either Hulme, Eccleston or Bettany for me.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9736/fourjacks27cr.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3523/fourjacks12tf.jpg

[pieeye]

Great pics of Hulme!!, thank you for posting them, I might use onw for one of my manipulations!!

got to www.jokeronfilm.com
it just launched yesterday and it has a section dedicated to Hulme

-pieeye

[Equinox]

Great pics of Hulme!!, thank you for posting them, I might use onw for one of my manipulations!!

got to www.jokeronfilm.com (http://www.jokeronfilm.com/)
it just launched yesterday and it has a section dedicated to Hulme

-pieeye

great site dude.. keep updating it regularly and dont let it die.. lookin forward to more :up:

[pieeye]

this post was a mistake

[pieeye]

Thanks Equinox,

Im on top of it!!! It iwll be slow going at first, but with the support of poeple like you it will thrive!!

-pieeye
Proprietor/Editor
www.jokeronfilm.com

[Edd Extraordinaire]

he's already in Batman Begins.

Duhh no way!

[Dark Sentinel]

Brad Dourif (http://www.theargonath.cc/characters/wormtongue/pictures/wtttbarahir5.jpg)

how about this guy?? he played the character of Wormtongue in The Two Towers

[regwec]

Why?

[Nietzsche]

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg
I know people will complain about this post, but I didn't get the feeling that enough people were aware of how superb Christopher Eccleston will be as the Joker. This manip shows he has the perfect look and he is also a great actor. He has a massive acting range. He can be very scary, emotional and just plain weird. So, I just wanted to dedicate this one thred to him so that people who haven't heard of him will now have and also anyone who wants him for the part can discuss him and add pics of him on here. Fans of Eccleston, keep badgering his name around so that hollywood execs will pick up the scent as well as Ecclestons agent, if he hasn't already. With Hulme and Bettany there's a chance they could screw up the character, with this guy, that chance does not present itself...

[The Chairman]

http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-M.jpg
I know people will complain about this post, but I didn't get the feeling that enough people were aware of how superb Christopher Eccleston will be as the Joker. This manip shows he has the perfect look and he is also a great actor. He has a massive acting range. He can be very scary, emotional and just plain weird. So, I just wanted to dedicate this one thred to him so that people who haven't heard of him will now have and also anyone who wants him for the part can discuss him and add pics of him on here. Fans of Eccleston, keep badgering his name around so that hollywood execs will pick up the scent as well as Ecclestons agent, if he hasn't already. With Hulme and Bettany there's a chance they could screw up the character, with this guy, that chance does not present itself...

You know I initally didn't want Eccleston for the role, but the more I see that manip, the more I think he might be able to pull it off. He's crept into my top five. Here's my top five. in case anyone is wandering who my choices are:

1) Tim Roth
2) Adrien Brody
3) Crispin Glover
4) Sean Penn
5) Christopher Eccleston

Any of these five would suit me well. I should probably check out Gone In 60 Seconds, which is the only film I have with him in it. But from that manip, I think he'd be really good in the part.

[Psycho_Sith]

Fans of Eccleston, keep badgering his name around so that hollywood execs will pick up the scent as well as Ecclestons agent, if he hasn't already. With Hulme and Bettany there's a chance they could screw up the character, with this guy, that chance does not present itself...

No one knows who may or may not screw up a role - that's kinda projecting isn't it?

In '88 people were fuming & writing all sorts of letters to WB about how they were furious Burton cast Keaton as Batman.....anyone Nolan casts as Joker deserves the chance to do the role justice without being bashed right off the bat.

*edit*....but that manip makes that guy look like one hell of a Joker for sure - I will admit that.

[BatMan032886]

Well, Eccleston is my first choice followed by Hulme and Bettany in that order.

[pieeye]

I dont know if any of you knew this, but I just published my joker site www.jokeronfilm.com (http://www.jokeronfilm.com). I am they guy who produced this manip. It took about a week and a half of work and it is manipulated down to the pores on the guys face. If you go to the website you will see that same piece on the "candidates" page. I am working on another manipulation of Eccelston as well as one for Hulme and Bettany.

-pieeye

ps. the animates splash page has links within the teeth to the various pages of the site, oh and the splash page image is also based on Eccleston.

[Duneboy]

ya, that guys a great character actor. Peter Stormare would be great! he's from Constantine, 8MM,

[The Black Mask]

Glover, Depp, Bettany are my top choices for the joker.

[mongo44]

Great pics of Hulme!!, thank you for posting them, I might use onw for one of my manipulations!!

got to www.jokeronfilm.com (http://www.jokeronfilm.com/)
it just launched yesterday and it has a section dedicated to Hulme

-pieeye

Great site Pie-eye! I love it keep us updated on anything new. I would like to see more of the popualr canidates in there. And I would even hazard saying manips of any in the rumor mill, like Carrell.

Maybe even a panel made up of Joker experts from these boards (hint hint, since I'm 41, known the character about as long, and something of a Jokerphile; I would make a good panel canidate.)

Now toatally off the subject of Jokeronfilm and back to another discussion on this page.

Rutger Hauer? It's been bothering me since Begins about his character and his character's "negative" departure. What would be the relavent over/under that he could end up being Joker? Or could he be another villain in the future?

And keep in mind all, there is no one consistent and definitive Joker origin. His "Beginning" could be rewritten. And it wouldn't surprise me if they did rewrite it.

[Psycho_Sith]

^^You do some amazing work man. Kudos to you. :up:

[The Chairman]

I narrowed my choices down to a top 5. Here they are:


1) Tim Roth
http://manoloshoeblog.com/images/pradaroth.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Tim+Roth/v=2/SID=e/TID=I001_70/l=II/R=9/SS=i/OID=6bb6537a66e06f92/SIG=1g2hkh9eg/EXP=1128997343/*http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DTim%2BRoth%26fr%3DFP-tab-img-t%26toggle%3D1%26cop%3D%26ei%3DUTF-8&h=400&w=400&imgcurl=www.double-whammy.com%2Fphotos%2Ftim_roth.jpg&imgurl=www.double-whammy.com%2Fphotos%2Ftim_roth.jpg&size=15.3kB&name=tim_roth.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.double-whammy.com%2Fmain%2Fmain89.htm&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.double-whammy.com%2Fmain%2Fmain89.htm&p=Tim+Roth&type=jpeg&no=9&tt=3,434&ei=UTF-8)
Up until a few weeks ago, I had never seen Roth's work. I heard his name quite a bit, but I'd never seen one of his movies. Then I went to Best Buy and decided to get Pulp Fiction to see if Roth could pull off Mr. J. Well, I watched it, and I thought Roth was awesome. His opening monologue about how hard it is to rob places, his standoff with Samuel L. Jackson at the end, was amazing. He is my top choice.

2) Adrien Brody
http://www.goldenbeaus.com/a_brody/adrien_brody_front.jpg
Anyone who's followed Brody's work knows he excels in playing creepy, often pyschologically insane characters, so The Joker won't be too much of a stretch for him. Plus, he has an Oscar, so he could obviously act.

3) Crispin Glover
http://www.filmstew.com/Users/Features/11216/jv_glover.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Crispin+Glover/v=2/SID=e/TID=I001_70/l=II/R=18/SS=i/OID=1a3057ef0eb231c8/SIG=1htu0nhf6/EXP=1128999391/*http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DCrispin%2BGlover%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-img-t%26fl%3D0%26x%3Dwrt&h=100&w=100&imgcurl=famouslookalikes.netfirms.com%2Fthumbs%2FC rispin-Glover-georgemcfly.jpg&imgurl=famouslookalikes.netfirms.com%2Fthumbs%2FCr ispin-Glover-georgemcfly.jpg&size=3.7kB&name=Crispin-Glover-georgemcfly.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffamouslookalikes.netfirms.com%2 F&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffamouslookalikes.netfirms.com%2F&p=Crispin+Glover&type=jpeg&no=18&tt=637&ei=UTF-8)
Crispin's been the fan favorite for quite some time now, and personally, I think he'd be great. He certainly has the look and IMO the acting talents (he reminds me of Anthony Perkins in a way), the only flaw is that he'll have to work on the voice. But even so, I certainly would not mind him being cast.

4) Sean Penn
http://www.filmfestivals.com/pixus/festivals/generic/Sean%20Penn%20red%20carpet.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Sean+Penn/v=2/SID=e/TID=I001_70/l=II/R=13/SS=i/OID=89735288130ab1f8/SIG=1kq1pu6rt/EXP=1128999453/*http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DSean%2BPenn%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-img-t%26fl%3D0%26x%3Dwrt&h=300&w=400&imgcurl=www.channel4.com%2Ffilm%2Fmedia%2Fmisc%2FO %2Foscars_2004%2Fsean_penn.jpg&imgurl=www.channel4.com%2Ffilm%2Fmedia%2Fmisc%2FO% 2Foscars_2004%2Fsean_penn.jpg&size=17.6kB&name=sean_penn.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.channel4.com%2Ffilm%2Fnewsf eatures%2Fmicrosites%2FO%2Foscars_2004%2Fred_carpe t04.html&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.channel4.com%2Ffilm%2Fnewsfe atures%2Fmicrosites%2FO%2Foscars_2004%2Fred_carpet 04.html&p=Sean+Penn&type=jpeg&no=13&tt=11,010&ei=UTF-8)
Say what you will about him having no sense of humor, that doesn't take away the fact that Sean Penn is one of the finest actors to emerge in the last 25 years. From Fast Times At Ridgemont High to Mystic River, Sean has displayed great range as an actor (he won the Oscar for Mystic River). Plus, he played a mentally challenged man in I Am Sam, which requires some degree of lightheartedness. The only reason I'm against Sean being chosen is that Nolan is adament on not having other actors steal the show from Bale, and I think Sean is famous enough to do just that.

5) Christopher Eccleston
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/dh2.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062857/K=Christopher+Eccleston/v=2/SID=e/TID=I001_70/l=II/R=4/SS=i/OID=850337295ffaf646/SIG=1i8vqdbpv/EXP=1128997721/*http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DChristopher%2BEccleston%26ei% 3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-img-t%26fl%3D0%26x%3Dwrt&h=152&w=203&imgcurl=subintsoc.net%2Fimages%2Fsr_20040411_eccle ston.jpg&imgurl=subintsoc.net%2Fimages%2Fsr_20040411_eccles ton.jpg&size=11.1kB&name=sr_20040411_eccleston.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsubintsoc.net%2Fsituationroom%2 Findex.php%3Fm%3D200404&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsubintsoc.net%2Fsituationroom%2F index.php%3Fm%3D200404&p=Christopher+Eccleston&type=jpeg&no=4&tt=624&ei=UTF-8)
For quite some time, I had been against Eccleston playing the role. However, the more I see that manip pieye made (sorry if I mispelled your name), the more I think he can pull it off. Since I've never seen him actually act, I'm going to place him at the bottom of my list...for now. I'll probably check out some of his work and see for sure if he can pull of playing the most iconic super villian in comic book history.

[thechubbysaint]

I'm all for Arnett. He has the look and a deep creepy voice. He can do dark eccentric. All i'm unsure of is the laugh, which I'm sure he can do.

He even has a good chicken impression.

[Nietzsche]

yeah

[Two-Face]

I think Nolan should give Christopher Eccleston a screentest for The Joker role.

[Psycho_Sith]

^^agree....at least a screen test.

[The Englishman]

Did'nt he screen test for The Scarecrow??? He might already have the part??....I Hope so.

[Two-Face]

Did'nt he screen test for The Scarecrow???


No, he was rumored to play Scarecrow which went to Cillain Murphy instead.

I want Nolan give him a screen least so that he think about cast Eccleston as Joker.

[DavidTyler]

^ Yes, but what the previous poster was saying is that Nolan may not need him to do another screen test. The screen test he did for Scarecrow might have been enough for Nolan to cast him as The Joker.

[regwec]

I'm not sure about that. They are quite different characters, and I think Eccleston would have approached them too differently for Nolan to be able to use one test for both parts.

[Two-Face]

^ Yes, but what the previous poster was saying is that Nolan may not need him to do another screen test. The screen test he did for Scarecrow might have been enough for Nolan to cast him as The Joker.


Christopher Eccleston didn't do a screen test, he was rumored to play Scarecrow.

[Keyser Soze]

ANTHONYNASTI, good to see you've been watching some stuff with Tim Roth. He's good in "Pulp Fiction", but that's not his best work. If you REALLY want to see how he can pull of a vile, evil character, check out "Rob Roy". He was Oscar-Nominated for his performance in that movie.

[dark_b]

please stop with this eccleston for joker mania. i didnt knew who murphy was........... now i know who he is and that he is a good actor.

nolan must look outside the box. maybe there is a better joker out there.

but i agree that eccleston is a good actor and he can play a scary man. but this is just a manip. you can do everything with photoshop.

[regwec]

But pieeye's manipulations are extremely sensitive to the geography of Eccleston's cranium: that is what he would look like in the role.

[antmanx68]

Says who? They could Cast Eccleston and the makeup might make him look totally different from that.

[regwec]

Not unless they deliberately tried to stop Christopher Eccleston looking like Christopher Eccleston, which would totally defeat the point of hiring an actor who looked the part.

[Dark Knight]

Bettany or Eccleston for me......NO Hulme though....

[The Chairman]

ANTHONYNASTI, good to see you've been watching some stuff with Tim Roth. He's good in "Pulp Fiction", but that's not his best work. If you REALLY want to see how he can pull of a vile, evil character, check out "Rob Roy". He was Oscar-Nominated for his performance in that movie.

I actually saw Reservoir Dogs last night. I think that the film is a little overrated (it's not Tarrentino's best film), but I thought Roth was fantastic in it. But if he's as good in Rob Roy as you say he is, it'll juts make me want him more.

Roth for Joker!


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Tim Roth For The Joker
Liev Schreiber For Two - Face
Jeff Goldblum For The Riddler

[pastrami]

Has anyone mentioned Brad Dourif? If Warner Brothers asked me to direct this film, I'd take a paycut if it was the only way to get him.

[pastrami]

Oh... nevermind about Brad Dourif. I just went to check out some info on him and didn't realize how old he is. Damn shame. He'd have been a good Joker, in my opinion.

[SpHinX]

I don't know Eccleston, Bettany, and Hulme, all look like good choices for Joker... It all depends on how they present the character... Which ever one is more insane, I'm for him :)

[Dark Knight88]

Brad Dourif would be cool as hell actually, his voice in Chucky creeps me out. I voted for Christopher Eccleston though because i think he is The Joker ripped from the pages of DC comics. One little thing that bothers me though Chris Eccleston doesn't like being typecast at all i mean he only did Dr. Who for 1 season and mainly does independant films no high profile blockbusters. I think WB's cheque book could put that right though every man has his price. As for his acting talents, he would be amazing.

[thechubbysaint]

Tim Roth was also the main bad guy/monkey in Planet of the Apes.

[Brian2887]

I'm all for Arnett. He has the look and a deep creepy voice. He can do dark eccentric. All i'm unsure of is the laugh, which I'm sure he can do.

He even has a good chicken impression.


Woo-hoo! Someone else sees it. The more I watch Arrested Development, the more I can see Arnett as the Joker.

I mean, just look at him!

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/gallery_justinstephens.jpg
Look at the face. The smile.


http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/ep_peteriovino.jpg
He has the over-the-top moves. If you've seen any of his magic routines on AD, it's just pure theatricality. Great for Joker.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sag/sag_awards_2005_photos/will_arnett/sag3.jpg
He's got the face, the build, the hair...

http://images.zap2it.com/20041018/willarnett_arresteddevelopment_240_005.jpg
Along with the hilarity, Arnett has great potential to be creepy. That raspy voice, his smile, and those scary eyes.

http://images.zap2it.com/20050818/40oldvirginpr/040_willarnett_amypoehler_40oldvirginpr.jpg
Mr. J and Harley?? Hmm? (He's married to Amy Poehler, who might play a good Harley, by the way.)

[Muze]

http://images.zap2it.com/20041018/willarnett_arresteddevelopment_240_005.jpg
Along with the hilarity, Arnett has great potential to be creepy. That raspy voice, his smile, and those scary eyes.


he looks like a goldfish.

[antmanx68]

Woo-hoo! Someone else sees it. The more I watch Arrested Development, the more I can see Arnett as the Joker.

I mean, just look at him!

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/gallery_justinstephens.jpg
Look at the face. The smile.


http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/ep_peteriovino.jpg
He has the over-the-top moves. If you've seen any of his magic routines on AD, it's just pure theatricality. Great for Joker.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sag/sag_awards_2005_photos/will_arnett/sag3.jpg
He's got the face, the build, the hair...

http://images.zap2it.com/20041018/willarnett_arresteddevelopment_240_005.jpg
Along with the hilarity, Arnett has great potential to be creepy. That raspy voice, his smile, and those scary eyes.

http://images.zap2it.com/20050818/40oldvirginpr/040_willarnett_amypoehler_40oldvirginpr.jpg
Mr. J and Harley?? Hmm? (He's married to Amy Poehler, who might play a good Harley, by the way.)


haha, I dont see ANY of the stuff you mentioned. (if you ask me) He doesnt have the face, hair, or build, his eyes dont look scary, not very Jokerish at all.

[Zaphod]

http://www.walesatheart.com/Features/Famous%20Welsh%20names/rhys%20ifans%20portrait.gif

http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2002/images/rhys_ifans.jpg

http://www.channel4.com/film/media/film/4x/E/enduring_love_xl_01.jpg

http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~hamish/rhys_ifans1.jpg

http://www.alife.nl/pictures_news/Rhys%20Ifans.jpg

Rhys Ifans.

He's already a fan favourite for the part of Mad Hatter, should we ever see that villain, but after seeing Ifans in The 51st State again most recently, I have no doubt in my mind that he would be a fantastic Joker. In that movie, he plays an unstable, unbalanced flamboyant drug dealer. In other movies, Love, Honor and Obey he plays a small time gangster, and even in the comedy Kevin and Perry Go Large, he conveys a manic DJ. He bears all the emotional characteristics of a character like the Joker and with some minor alterations he would have the perfect look.

[regwec]

I suppose it only makes sense that each original suggestion is weaker than the last.

[Zaphod]

I suppose it only makes sense that each original suggestion is weaker than the last.

Would you like to give me a reason as to this negative?

[regwec]

Sure: there are only so many actors with both the ability, bearing and aura to match the role. The best were mentioned long ago, we then had a trickle of average suggestions, and now the well is drying up we have some fairly poor choices.

I am not making a personal criticism, but commenting on a natural process.

[Muze]

Would you like to give me a reason as to this negative?

bottom-line, why muddy the water? you know that Ifans is perfect for the mad hatter. and i can think of, at least, 3 other people i would rather see as Joker than Ifans. i'm surprised that this thread has gone on so long. can't we all attempt to agree on about 3 nominees for each role?

[thechubbysaint]

Woo-hoo! Someone else sees it. The more I watch Arrested Development, the more I can see Arnett as the Joker.

I mean, just look at him!

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/gallery_justinstephens.jpg
Look at the face. The smile.


http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/arrested_development/will_arnett/ep_peteriovino.jpg
He has the over-the-top moves. If you've seen any of his magic routines on AD, it's just pure theatricality. Great for Joker.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/sag/sag_awards_2005_photos/will_arnett/sag3.jpg
He's got the face, the build, the hair...

http://images.zap2it.com/20041018/willarnett_arresteddevelopment_240_005.jpg
Along with the hilarity, Arnett has great potential to be creepy. That raspy voice, his smile, and those scary eyes.

http://images.zap2it.com/20050818/40oldvirginpr/040_willarnett_amypoehler_40oldvirginpr.jpg
Mr. J and Harley?? Hmm? (He's married to Amy Poehler, who might play a good Harley, by the way.)

Humor:
If I may add, his dark humor on the show is quite warped. (He was doing ruffee humor last week.) It wouldn't be much of a leap for him to be the Joker.

Gob Character: His failed magician act reminds me of the Joker's failed comedian origin.

[spanish39]

OK!
:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[spanish39]

OK!

Everyone just start posting your top 5, or more if you have to, and in no particular order and I or we will count them up after like a week or something and make a new poll based on who is there.

Sound good?

I'll go first......

In No Particular Order:
Lachy Hulme
Chris Eccelstone
Paul Sarssgard
Paul Bettany
Seth Myers
Rhys Ifans

The other names that have popped up:
Vincent Cassell, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Steve Carell, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Jason Lee, Alan Cummings, Michael Wincott, Will Arnett, Ewen Bremner, Nick Stahl, Benicio Del Torro, Complete Unknown

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth, Sean Penn, Jude Law, Crispin Glover, Steve Busemi, Johnny Depp, Adrien Brody, Ray Liotta

[Muze]

OK!
OK!

Everyone just start posting your top 5, or more if you have to, and in no particular order and I or we will count them up after like a week or something and make a new poll based on who is there.

Sound good?

1. Paul Bettany * * *
2. Christopher Ecclestone
3. Vincent Cassell
4. Lachy Hulme

[Joker™]

I'm all for Arnett. He has the look and a deep creepy voice. He can do dark eccentric. All i'm unsure of is the laugh, which I'm sure he can do.

He even has a good chicken impression.



Yes that would be a great choice



Top 5 In No Particular Order:

Johnny Depp
Arnett
Benicio Del Toro
Jason Lee
unknown actor


:joker:

[illmatikk]

only TWO

1) Paul Bettany
2) Christopher Eccleston

only two i know that can pull it off, physically & mentally

[Muze]

so far Bettany and Eccleston have 3 votes each. i seriously hope it's between those two so that the movie doesn't suck.

[Joker™]

so far Bettany and Eccleston have 3 votes each. i seriously hope it's between those two so that the movie doesn't suck.



Theres been alot of movies where actors havent really seemed like they wouldnt be able to pull off the role. If the director dosent suck hell help them not suck.........unless its to get the role. HAHA :joker:

[thechubbysaint]

1) Will Arnett
2) Unknown
3) Tim Roth
4) Bettany
5) Lachey H.

[moop501]

Joel McHale...the guy from those BK commercials and from the E! channel.
http://cache.eonline.com/On/People/Images/bio.mchale.joel.04.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Tim Roth
Paul Bettany
Benecio Del Toro
Christopher Eccleston
Michael Wincott

[regwec]

Eccleston
Bettany
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Someone else.

[Detective Flass]

Tim Roth!!!!!

[Two-Face]

Flass good to see you.

Christopher Eccleston for Joker.

[dogsgotlipstick]

eccleston

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Anyone ever consider Nick Stahl? He's got what it takes. Someone should manip this:
http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_1720789.jpg



Bump.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Anyone ever consider Nick Stahl? He's got what it takes. Someone should manip this:
http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_1720789.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif


Bump

[DavidTyler]

You know, after seeing a very well done manip of Christopher Eccleston as the Joker (sorry, you'll have to search for it - but it's here on this board), I'm inclined to make Crispin Glover my close second choice. Crispin's been my first choice since before Nolan started Begins but I've seen Eccleston in different projects and think he could turn a very respectable performance as a deformed psychopathic Killer.

[The Only Woj]

I really hope all of these guys get a screentest. I would hate for the best man to not get a chance to show what he's got.

aka I hope they let guys like Steve Carrell in there for a shot at it. what could it hurt?

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 6:48PM @ MON 10/10/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 9
Paul Bettany 6
Lachy Hulme 3
Complete Unknown 3
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Vincent Cassell 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ewen Bremner, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj

[Two-Face]

I hope they let guys like Steve Carrell in there for a shot at it. what could it hurt?



No way he shouldn't be near Nolan & Co.

[Dark Knight]

No way he shouldn't be near Nolan & Co.


i agree..... :up:

[spanish39]

Lets Keep The Top 5 Going Guys

[Keyser Soze]

Spanish, one criticism of your system. You should have put your vote tally in straightforward order, from the most popular to the least.

Segregating contenders into YOUR perception of "odd choices" could discourage other people from voting for these people. If you want this vote to be entirely fair, don't taint the list with your own opinion, whether it's right or wrong.

[Muze]

well we can narrow this down even more now that joker is apparently a british arms dealer. bye bye Arnett.

[regwec]

No he isn't. You misread the source on BOF.

[Muze]

No he isn't. You misread the source on BOF.

possibly. or maybe you misread it.

"I won't reveal all the villains, but I'll leave a few hints that the avid comic fan should be able to decipher. One will be an ambiguous mob boss with ties to the late Dr. Thomas Wayne. Another will be an industrial heir not unlike Bruce Wayne - in fact it could be said that he is a dark mirror of Bruce. Over the course of the story, he will be forced to present a new 'face.' And then we have a small, almost cameo type [appearence by a] villain who is considered a 'classic rouge' as a British arms dealer. It may sound a bit crowded, but it all fits together, makes sense, and works much like a comic story arc."

"As for the villains plot, the mob boss and the heir get involved with a major arms deal with the 'British Guy,' while Batman and his allies attempt to foil it. [As a result,] they uncover more of the corruption plauging Gotham. Unfortunatly for both sides, nobody knew there was a Joker in the deck who complicates matters."

notice the quotations around british guy. they are there because the 'british guy' isn't who he seems to be.

[Milkman95]

^He's talking of Black Mask, who was an Industrial Heir in the comics I believe......

[regwec]

No, I didn't. It's right here: http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html Look again.

[regwec]

Lots of people are making all sorts of assumptions about this text. Who says that any of these character profiles (mob boss, industrial heir, British arms dealer) is The Joker? Given that we have been told that The Joker will retain his personality and identity from the comics, we can pretty much rule out the idea of him being a British arms dealer.

[Muze]

^He's talking of Black Mask, who was an Industrial Heir in the comics I believe......

what does that have to do w/ the british arms dealer?

No, I didn't. It's right here: http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html Look again.

i don't have to look again. i just posted excerpts from the site. what are you talking about?

Lots of people are making all sorts of assumptions about this text. Who says that any of these character profiles (mob boss, industrial heir, British arms dealer) is The Joker? Given that we have been told that The Joker will retain his personality and identity from the comics, we can pretty much rule out the idea of him being a British arms dealer.

you can eliminate one right off the bat. they gave the clue that he industrial heir would have a change of 'face.' that's either two-face or, like the other guy said, black mask. and the mob boss was decribed as ambigious with ties to Thomas Wayne. so, using your logic, he couldn't be the joker either because that's not his identity from the comics.

and here's where you misread it again...
"The Joker. I won't spoil things for you but those expecting an exact translation of [the Character] from the comics, in terms of costume, you will be disappointed. However, let may say that this Joker will be the 'The Joker;' the way character is written is very faithful to [how] he is in the comics and I can see why WB is not interested in actors like Crispin Glover or Johnny Depp."

says nothing about him having the origin from the comics or when in the comics the portrayal is taken from. he describes it as a 'faithful' representation. all that means is that, personality-wise, he will be a laughing maniac. that does not preclude him pretending to be a 'british' arms dealer. and why is the WB not interested in actors like Crispin Glover and JOhnny Depp? because Paul Bettany (a brit) and Lachy Hulme (an aussie) are the top 2. use some deduction.

[Milkman95]

what does that have to do w/ the british arms dealer?



i don't have to look again. i just posted excerpts from the site. what are you talking about?

Sorry, I misread your post. The British arms dealer is The Penguin. The Black Mask is the Industrial Heir, and The Joker is the one playing both sides in a gang rivalry..............

[Muze]

Sorry, I misread your post. The British arms dealer is The Penguin. The Black Mask is the Industrial Heir, and The Joker is the one playing both sides in a gang rivalry..............

fair enough. and i fully admit that i could be wrong. but my guess is that Harvey Dent is the Industrial Heir. the british arms dealer is the Joker and he is playing both sides in a gang rivalry for his own amusement. your way would require the use of an extra character; penguin who i seriously doubt is in this movie. i'm thinking that the ambiguous mob boss with ties to Thomas Wayne is Rupert Thorne.

[regwec]

says nothing about him having the origin from the comics or when in the comics the portrayal is taken from. he describes it as a 'faithful' representation. all that means is that, personality-wise, he will be a laughing maniac. that does not preclude him pretending to be a 'british' arms dealer. and why is the WB not interested in actors like Crispin Glover and JOhnny Depp? because Paul Bettany (a brit) and Lachy Hulme (an aussie) are the top 2. use some deduction.
There is a difference between 'using some deduction' and making huge leaps of logic with no evidence whatsoever. Neither you nor I have any idea why Depp and Glover aren't being considered. It might be their appearances, it might be their lack of physicality, it could be because Nolan doesn't like either of them. Also, Hulme is Australian. Australians are not British. There is no more reason to cast an Australian as a Brit than an American as a Brit. Finally, you have attempted to brush aside the comment that The Joker on film will be very faithful to the comics. I do not think you can ignore that. Turning him into a different character, with a different personality, a different nationality, and a different modus operandi is not being faithful.

[Milkman95]

fair enough. and i fully admit that i could be wrong. but my guess is that Harvey Dent is the Industrial Heir. the british arms dealer is the Joker and he is playing both sides in a gang rivalry for his own amusement. your way would require the use of an extra character; penguin who i seriously doubt is in this movie. i'm thinking that the ambiguous mob boss with ties to Thomas Wayne is Rupert Thorne.

Your theory could be correct, but Harvey Dent is brought in to replace Rachel's boss, D.A. Finch. Black Mask is more believable in this case as the Industrial Heir, just based on source material alone. He's also a new character, which I'm sure Nolan prefers using instead of one that's already been used in the series...................I'll agree Rupert Thorne or Boss Maroni could be the Mob connection with Thomas Wayne..........

[Muze]

There is a difference between 'using some deduction' and making huge leaps of logic with no evidence whatsoever. Neither you nor I have any idea why Depp and Glover aren't being considered. It might be their appearances, it might be their lack of physicality, it could be because Nolan doesn't like either of them. Also, Hulme is Australian. Australians are not British. There is no more reason to cast an Australian as a Brit than an American as a Brit. Finally, you have attempted to brush aside the comment that The Joker on film will be very faithful to the comics. I do not think you can ignore that. Turning him into a different character, with a different personality, a different nationality, and a different modus operandi is not being faithful.

he wouldn't be a different character in the slightest. where did i ever mention his personality being different? and what exactly would you describe Joker's 'motive' as; besides his own amusement? sounds like that's what he's doing in the movie; causing chaos. as for the nationality, they put quotation marks around 'british guy.' to me, that means that he's not really british. it's an act. and i'm pretty sure that i labeled Hulme as an aussie instead of a brit.

[regwec]

Yes, but the fact that Hulme is Australian removes your argument that Glover and Depp weren't being considered because they aren't British.

A modus operandi is different to a motive.

The speech marks around 'British guy' are probably used to denote the fact that the author is coining a title for an otherwised unamed individual.

[The Only Woj]

wasn't Australia a British colony?!

[regwec]

Yes, but so was America, so was India, so was Egypt...are Americans, Indians and Egyptians British?

[pieeye]

Sorry, I misread your post. The British arms dealer is The Penguin. The Black Mask is the Industrial Heir, and The Joker is the one playing both sides in a gang rivalry..............

That is exactly what I put together after reading the news

-pieeye

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[regwec]

That would be a good outcome. It is, however, possible that the British arms dealer is King Snake. King Snake is British, whilst The Penguin, to my knowledge, is not.

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[Keyser Soze]

Great site, pieeye. And it seems that your man Eccleston is the current top choice amongst the people setting up the new poll here.

[Muze]

Yes, but the fact that Hulme is Australian removes your argument that Glover and Depp weren't being considered because they aren't British.

well you think up a reason for them being excluded.

A modus operandi is different to a motive.

both can change. seriously, when has Joker only had one m.o? that might work for the Scarecrow but, from what i've seen, Joker's basically unpredictable.

The speech marks around 'British guy' are probably used to denote the fact that the author is coining a title for an otherwised unamed individual.

an otherwise unamed individual because he's really just a disguise for the Joker.

[regwec]

an otherwise unamed individual because he's really just a disguise for the Joker.
You see, that might be true, but there's really no reason to think that it is, or even that it's likely. I think you have tried to tie all those vague hints in the source together too neatly. No one else either here or at BOF came to the impression that The Joker was "the British guy".

[logansoldcigar]

SO FAR......as of 6:48PM @ MON 10/10/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 9
Paul Bettany 6
Lachy Hulme 3
Complete Unknown 3
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Vincent Cassell 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ewen Bremner, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj

Has anyone ever suggested Walton Goggins?

[Keyser Soze]

Walton Goggins! Finally, someone else in the universe who has heard of this amazing actor.

Personally speaking, however, Idon't see him as The Joker. He was my dream choice for Bullseye, and I think he'd be good as a more thuggish villain like Electro, but I'm not sure if I could see The Joker being Southern. His "Shield" co-star Jay Karnes could be a more likely Joker candidate, but even that's a stretch. Though Karnes could be an interesting Riddler...

[ultimatefan]

Well, according to a recent Dark Horizons scoop, Paul Bettany is very much on the run, Hulme is not. Being considered are Johnny Depp, Michael Keaton (no kidding!) and Ryan Reynolds (????), among others. He says Liev Schreiber is almost a lock as Harvey Dent. BOF says the guy may be on to something.

[Milkman95]

^Got to go with Bettany and Schreiber - those are excellent choices.

[The Black Mask]

i am hoping bettany gets cast as the joker.

i was also wondering... could mel gibson be a good joker???

[Keyser Soze]

I believe there are people who would like to see Gibson as Two-Face...

[Muze]

You see, that might be true, but there's really no reason to think that it is, or even that it's likely. I think you have tried to tie all those vague hints in the source together too neatly. No one else either here or at BOF came to the impression that The Joker was "the British guy".

well, if i'm right, expect me to gloat.

[Two-Face]

Christopher Eccleston for Joker.

[The Black Mask]

i keep seeing eccleston's name for the joker...

[Dark Knight88]

i keep seeing eccleston's name for the joker...

Yeh IMO he's a really gifted actor who has the look and the acting talents to own the role.

[spanish39]

KEEP VOTING FOR YOUR TOP 5 FOR OUR NEW POLL!

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 4:40AM @ WED 10/12/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 11
Paul Bettany 6
Lachy Hulme 3
Complete Unknown 3
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Vincent Cassell 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Bill Mosley 1, Robert Carlysle 1,Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ewen Bremner, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj

[spanish39]

Spanish, one criticism of your system. You should have put your vote tally in straightforward order, from the most popular to the least.

Segregating contenders into YOUR perception of "odd choices" could discourage other people from voting for these people. If you want this vote to be entirely fair, don't taint the list with your own opinion, whether it's right or wrong.


I did put the system in direct straightforward voting order, from highset votes to lowest though. I put my choices in that order because I was starting the poll and I started with MY choices to get it going. I just seperated the names of the people I said I was going to long ago. Once I had enough votes I went back, as you can see before YOU posted, and changed the order so it read better as far as the current voting goes. I want this vote to be entirely fair thats why I am keeping track personaly. Though I have already stated these names of "odd" choices was seprate along time ago because they are the same names that constantly get voted for on the poll when people like Bettany and Eccelstone and Hulme get like 3 to 6 votes all the time. If you want to see the real poll then you have to eliminate some factors or we will end up with the same crap like whats above. Those same old crusty names will not be on this poll, I may take one or two but no more than that, the ones most voted for. The whole point of this new poll is to seprate them, so thanks but no thanks on your constructive criticism. Now I know you want to give criticism but please don't sit here and lecture me about a stupid poll ok? No hard feelings. So everything is like butta now, and don't talk about my taint, it's sensative......it has feelings too, now I have to go back into the bathroom and console it.

[Dark Knight88]

KEEP VOTING FOR YOUR TOP 5 FOR OUR NEW POLL!


SO FAR......as of 11:16AM @ WED 10/12/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 9
Paul Bettany 6
Lachy Hulme 3
Complete Unknown 3
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Vincent Cassell 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ewen Bremner, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj

Chris Eccleston

[pieeye]

Chris Eccleston for me too spanish

[regwec]

Hah! I just misread that as you thinking that Chris Eccleston was too Spanish for the role. I need medicine...

[Keyser Soze]

I did put the system in direct straightforward voting order, from highset votes to lowest though. I put my choices in that order because I was starting the poll and I started with MY choices to get it going. I just seperated the names of the people I said I was going to long ago. Once I had enough votes I went back, as you can see before YOU posted, and changed the order so it read better as far as the current voting goes. I want this vote to be entirely fair thats why I am keeping track personaly. Though I have already stated these names of "odd" choices was seprate along time ago because they are the same names that constantly get voted for on the poll when people like Bettany and Eccelstone and Hulme get like 3 to 6 votes all the time. If you want to see the real poll then you have to eliminate some factors or we will end up with the same crap like whats above. Those same old crusty names will not be on this poll, I may take one or two but no more than that, the ones most voted for. The whole point of this new poll is to seprate them, so thanks but no thanks on your constructive criticism. Now I know you want to give criticism but please don't sit here and lecture me about a stupid poll ok? No hard feelings. So everything is like butta now, and don't talk about my taint, it's sensative......it has feelings too, now I have to go back into the bathroom and console it.

Hey, no need to attack me. I'm all for a new poll, but I think it should be a fair poll rather than "The Spanish39 Poll".

I was offering, as you said (sarcastically), constructive criticism. I can see where you're coming from with your argument, and it would have been perfectly easy to counter my doubts without being snide. No need to get all ratty and defensive...

[The Question]

I have a suggestion. Robert Carlyle.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0001015/


He reminded me of The Joker in Ravenous, and he does look a bit like The Joker. Only problem is, he's a bit on the short side.

[The Black Mask]

i have already decided my vote for bettany as the joker. but... how about bill mosley as the joker.

[pieeye]

Regwec.... I can see how you might have thought that ... pretty funny


"for me too spanish not merican nuff look..."

of course Im only kidding.

-pieeye
Proprietor/Editor
http://www.jokeronfilm.com/jofbanner1.jpg (http://www.jokeronfilm.com)

[The Question]

Does anyone like my Robert Carlyl idea? Oh, and here's a pic of him in a purple suit:


http://www.angelfire.com/movies/ravenouslist/actors.html


(scroll down a bit)

[spanish39]

Hey, no need to attack me. I'm all for a new poll, but I think it should be a fair poll rather than "The Spanish39 Poll".

I was offering, as you said (sarcastically), constructive criticism. I can see where you're coming from with your argument, and it would have been perfectly easy to counter my doubts without being snide. No need to get all ratty and defensive...


ok, cool, lets continue then shall we?

DARK KNIGHT88 & PIEEYE?
There are no other choices you want to add?

SO FAR......as of 4:48 @ WED 10/12/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 11
Paul Bettany 7
Lachy Hulme 3
Complete Unknown 3
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Vincent Cassell 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Bill Mosley, Robert Carlyle,Toby Stephens, Noah Taylor, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ewen Bremner, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard

[The Question]

You forgot Robert Carlyl. I mentioned Robert Carlyl. Why is no one acknowlaging Robert Carlyl?

[BatMan032886]

Count me for Eccleston.

[Two-Face]

You forgot Robert Carlyl. I mentioned Robert Carlyl. Why is no one acknowlaging Robert Carlyl?


Look again

[rssbatfan]

I'll go with Eccelston

[The Question]

Look again


Sorry.

[spanish39]

double posted

[spanish39]

I'm glad you are all going for Eccelstone but you can throw in as many names as you like, preferably 5.Dark Knight 88, Pieeye, The question, rssbatfan, batman032886, why dont you guys give me your top 5

[Postman]

ooo i like that Carlyle idea that would be interesting to see nonetheless. Man how i wish that i could just be in a room and pick actors to test for Joker. That would be sweet.

[BatMan032886]

My top 5

Eccleston
Bettany
Hulme
Glover
Law

[pieeye]

Spanish,

Sorry, I didnt read that far back in the thread. Here is my top five...

Eccleston
Bettany
Hulme
Vincent Cassel
Noah Taylor

Thanks for clarifying it...

-pieeye
Proprietor/Editor
http://www.jokeronfilm.com/jofbanner1.jpg (www.jokeronfilm.com)

[jackyll]

I voted for neither, simply because I have my own choice (sorry if this guy has been mentioned already, but 163 pages is a bit excessive at 6:34 am.)

I can hear the persecution now, but at least here me out. Labias and genitals, I present to you my selection...

http://mansonusa.com/photo/promo/03-04/167.jpg

Marilyn Manson

Aside from the fact that both seem to share eccentricities on a personal level (both are very comitted to changing the world through their "art") they are also notorious for their deviancy. But, you say, personalities alone do not a good Joker make! Manson, imo, has proven himself to be a decent actor with the chops to at least take a role seriously, whether he's playing himself as Kennedy, a famous club kid, or a child molester, he's someone who invests time into anything he's a part of (not including Lest We Forget.)

[logansoldcigar]

Walton Goggins! Finally, someone else in the universe who has heard of this amazing actor.

Personally speaking, however, Idon't see him as The Joker. He was my dream choice for Bullseye, and I think he'd be good as a more thuggish villain like Electro, but I'm not sure if I could see The Joker being Southern. His "Shield" co-star Jay Karnes could be a more likely Joker candidate, but even that's a stretch. Though Karnes could be an interesting Riddler...

I could see Ducth boy as riddler as well.

I just think that after Bettany, Goggins is perfect. Visually, I dont see any problems. Im not a fan of "fixed smile" joker ideas, i prefer the idea of full movement of his mouth, and for me, the accent is no issue. Id be surprised if an acclaimed actor like him couldnt change his accent if it were thought necessary.

[Keyser Soze]

I like Goggins, but I don't see him as The Joker. He's crazy, but not Joker crazy! :)

I'd say that, at the moment, the strongest choice for The Joker looks like Paul Bettany:

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/3889/gq31ob.jpg

My top choice was Tim Roth - and in terms of performance I still think he'd be amazing. But Two advantages Bettany has over him are looking like the character, and being a lot younger, allowing him to be a part of the franchise for many years. Plus, he looks good in purple...

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/candid/aktprem/aktpremiere/6.jpg

[adamantium82]

Would you just look at this....
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg
it's from Gangster No.1, which is to "Bettany for Joker" as American Psycho was "Bale for Batman"

[regwec]

I noticed something quite ironic.

Chris Nolan may dispense with The Joker's purple suit, to match his view of a "realistic" Gotham city.

Bettany is quite likely to land the role of The Joker. He likes to wear a purple suit in real life.

So Nolan may force Bettany to wear something other than the classical costume of a character he will play, in order to make Bettany look more realistic in a comic-book-movie than he does in reality.

With that logic, The Joker is more realistic than Paul Bettany.

Aaargh! I need medicine.

[Carmine Falcone]

Would you just look at this....
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg
it's from Gangster No.1, which is to "Bettany for Joker" as American Psycho was "Bale for Batman"

I might have to check out that movie.

[terry78]

Michael Keaton as the Joker actually wouldn't be too bad. He's already 6 feet something and lanky, and Beetlejuice was basically The Joker anyway. If they went ahead with that, I'd be down like Chinatown.

[Carmine Falcone]

I noticed something quite ironic.

Chris Nolan may dispense with The Joker's purple suit, to match his view of a "realistic" Gotham city.

Bettany is quite likely to land the role of The Joker. He likes to wear a purple suit in real life.

So Nolan may force Bettany to wear something other than the classical costume of a character he will play, in order to make Bettany look more realistic in a comic-book-movie than he does in reality.

With that logic, The Joker is more realistic than Paul Bettany.

Aaargh! I need medicine.

whaha. Idiotic Brilliance :up:

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 4:48 @ WED 10/12/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 11
Paul Bettany 9
Lachy Hulme 5
Complete Unknown 3
Vincent Cassell 2
Robert Carlyle 2
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up:
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1,Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ryan Gosling,

The old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Benicio Del Torro 2, Crispin Glover 3, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard

[darknight7]

Michael Keaton as the Joker actually wouldn't be too bad. He's already 6 feet something and lanky, and Beetlejuice was basically The Joker anyway. If they went ahead with that, I'd be down like Chinatown.


Look out... because Keaton is only about...5'10. People are gonna be after you, after that comment...



:up: just thought Ide give you the heads up

lol

--dk7

[spanish39]

Michael Keaton is not 6'0 at all lol. He is crazy though and he was originally a pick before Jack Nicholson, but they made him Batman instead because they wanted Jack. He is too old now and he was Batman, that would just be weird guys.

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 6:33 @ THU 10/13/05......

In Current Voted Order:
Chris Eccelstone 11
Paul Bettany 9
Lachy Hulme 5
Complete Unknown 3
Vincent Cassell 2
Robert Carlyle 2
Will Arnett 2

The other names that have popped up"
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Jason Lee 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1,Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Busy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Alan Cummings, Ryan Gosling,

he old and odd choices:
Tim Roth 4, Crispin Glover 3, Benicio Del Torro 2, Sean Penn 1, Adrien Brody 1, Johnny Depp 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi, Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard

[Keyser Soze]

Okay, so how many names will be on the final poll?

[spanish39]

we will see when the time comes. Depends on how many votes each person has. Also most of the scraps like Manson and Liotta will most likly not appear on it. I forsee like 15-20 at first and then narrowing it down even further after that till all we have is the top 5 or 6 period. We need to eliminate these other names to more personal idividual Joker wants and keep the main contendors. In the end when the final 5 or 6 are ready we will wipe the slate clean and keep it just them from now on till the name is officialy announced. In the event of a new very highly prospected candidate being thrown in the mix then we will adjust to allow him in due to be more official. It not complicated in anyway at all. It is more like a scathing of names as time goes on to distance people who either look like frame of Joker or can act crazy to a personal choice while the other have the whole package and they will be voted for by those who may not want them neccissarily but now have to vote for one of them due to the loss of their candiaite giving us the ultimate fan favorite regardless of personal choice due to high demand.
Also in the end or towards the end when a second poll is pposted at the top of the page I will probably start using ONE picture that best shows off The Joker in the actor so people have a better idea who they are voting for. None of this will leave this thread ever, we will just migrate the new poll's into this thread.

hope that clears anything up. Just seems to be the only logical way to completly settle this thing for all, this thing being who can actually be the Joker and who would be cool to see as the Joker. We will end up with an offical fan favorite and also a cult favorite. If there is a place to have an official Joker poll on-line then the SHH! is the only place to have it, we count damnit lol. We nitpick and argue about this more than probably any other place on the internet.

[Muze]

i'm no genius but i think i'm pretty good with faces. Paul Bettanny, Christopher Eccleston, and Lachy Hulme all have the right 'playdoh' for the makeup people to mold into the character. they could easily look like the joker because of their height, eye shape, and facial features. it baffles me that there are people still thinking outside of this box. if you want a Joker who won't seem like a jarring mismatch with the rest of the cast, go with these 3. this has been a public service announcement. please continue with your regulary scheduled programming.

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/084.jpg
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/080.jpg

[jackyll]

i'm still baffled as to why Jason Lee is up there as a poll selection.

[MUGSY]

i'm still baffled as to why Jason Lee is up there as a poll selection.

You have just read my mind. I mean I like Jason Lee, but hes not really an actor. Yeah hes been in movies but its not like hes any good at acting.

[Nivek]

i'm no genius but i think i'm pretty good with faces. Paul Bettanny, Christopher Eccleston, and Lachy Hulme all have the right 'playdoh' for the makeup people to mold into the character. they could easily look like the joker because of their height, eye shape, and facial features. it baffles me that there are people still thinking outside of this box.

As someone exsperienced in SPFX make-up and prosthetics, I can honestly say I can see Eccleston and Hulme's faces as the Joker. They have strong features that can be exaggerated into a Joker-esqe face (especially their noses), and both have great eyes and large mouths that will make even a mundane Joker make-up look great. I really like Hulmes nose, I wasn't convinced about him till I seen a profile shot of him where I seen how his nose hooks, and then there was a pic of him laughing/screaming with arched eye brows that really made me rethink him in the role.

However, I dont understand what you people see in Bettanny. He has a very typical, ordinary, boring flat face. In order to make him resemble the Joker, you would have to put so many thick appliences on him it would take away any reason he would be cast in the role. You guys ever see how much appliences they put on Jack in the '89 Batman for him to look like the Joker? Bettanny would need many more, thicker appliences than that. Any less, he'll look like a Crow make-up, or a very somber mime. He just doesn't have the character in the face for the role, in my opinion.

[NOFX]

i'm no genius but i think i'm pretty good with faces. Paul Bettanny, Christopher Eccleston, and Lachy Hulme all have the right 'playdoh' for the makeup people to mold into the character. they could easily look like the joker because of their height, eye shape, and facial features. it baffles me that there are people still thinking outside of this box. if you want a Joker who won't seem like a jarring mismatch with the rest of the cast, go with these 3. this has been a public service announcement. please continue with your regulary scheduled programming.

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/084.jpg
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/080.jpg
THOSE PICS ARE AWESOME!!! ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!!!
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg

[jackyll]

You have just read my mind. I mean I like Jason Lee, but hes not really an actor. Yeah hes been in movies but its not like hes any good at acting.he's a funny god, but not darkly comedic. he's like "everyman" type funny.

and i find it funny that everyone is assuming that Joker is going to actually be victim to a physical transformation. What if Nolan decides to give Joker a mask instead of mutilating him? I wouldn't put it past him...

[The Question]

I'm not feeling Bettany. I just don't see it.

[terry78]

Depends on which art rendering they're gonna draw inspiration from.

http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2005_02/joker_lopez/images/final.gif
http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptionscomic/joker.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050401/batmanandrobinsurfcontest.jpg
http://www.cartoondepot.com/pages/img/wb/pc/RC1735%20Joker.jpg
(They'll never own up to it, but B:TAS' Joker was an extreme pre-Freakazoid)

http://www.happy-land.ca/images/random/Batgirl%20and%20The%20Joker.png
http://www.superherostuff.com/OtherItems/Images/killing_joke_poster2.jpg

[Katsuro]

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050401/batmanandrobinsurfcontest.jpg



wow... wtf if that? That's the craziest thing i've ever seen.

[Two-Face]

I like Catwoman in a bikini :up: :eek:

[Muze]

As someone exsperienced in SPFX make-up and prosthetics, I can honestly say I can see Eccleston and Hulme's faces as the Joker. They have strong features that can be exaggerated into a Joker-esqe face (especially their noses), and both have great eyes and large mouths that will make even a mundane Joker make-up look great. I really like Hulmes nose, I wasn't convinced about him till I seen a profile shot of him where I seen how his nose hooks, and then there was a pic of him laughing/screaming with arched eye brows that really made me rethink him in the role.

However, I dont understand what you people see in Bettanny. He has a very typical, ordinary, boring flat face. In order to make him resemble the Joker, you would have to put so many thick appliences on him it would take away any reason he would be cast in the role. You guys ever see how much appliences they put on Jack in the '89 Batman for him to look like the Joker? Bettanny would need many more, thicker appliences than that. Any less, he'll look like a Crow make-up, or a very somber mime. He just doesn't have the character in the face for the role, in my opinion.

respectfully, i don't think you know what you're talking about. he's got about one of the most expressive faces i've seen. you must have a funny concept of a movie joker. he shouldn't look like he's wearing a rubber mask. i think Lachy Hulme would take more work than Bettany.

[terry78]

The actor portraying him doesn't need prosthetics, the Joker is just a very lanky Ichabod Crane looking guy with a chemically damaged face and psyche.

[Nivek]

respectfully, i don't think you know what you're talking about. he's got about one of the most expressive faces i've seen. you must have a funny concept of a movie joker. he shouldn't look like he's wearing a rubber mask. i think Lachy Hulme would take more work than Bettany.


I've seen the guys films, and I've seen detailed close ups of the guy, and I have seen plenty of pictures of the Joker. The guy doesn't have the facial shape, features, and most importantly the eyes or smile to resemble the standard depiction of the Joker. Long pointed nose, sharp angled chin, very wide mouth, angled forehead, high cheekbones, big deep set eyes... I could go on, but it would do no good. He simply doesn't have a Joker look. He looks too normal and his features are too average and soft.

Sorry to disagree, but I dont see you offering a better example of why he would work in the role. Or present a side by side comparison of Bettany and populer depictions of the Joker, just to show me how he resembles the character.

[Nivek]

The actor portraying him doesn't need prosthetics, the Joker is just a very lanky Ichabod Crane looking guy with a chemically damaged face and psyche.


Exactly, Ichabod Crane. Now you are talking Ichabod Crane the populer Washington Irving depiction, or are we talking soft featured Johnny Depp Tim Burton Crane?

[Muze]

I've seen the guys films, and I've seen detailed close ups of the guy, and I have seen plenty of pictures of the Joker. The guy doesn't have the facial shape, features, and most importantly the eyes or smile to resemble the standard depiction of the Joker. Long pointed nose, sharp angled chin, very wide mouth, angled forehead, high cheekbones, big deep set eyes... I could go on, but it would do no good. He simply doesn't have a Joker look. He looks too normal and his features are too average and soft.

Sorry to disagree, but I dont see you offering a better example of why he would work in the role. Or present a side by side comparison of Bettany and populer depictions of the Joker, just to show me how he resembles the character.

you're kidding right? i've been posting pictures all over the place.

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/...er/caps/084.jpg (http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/084.jpg)
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1175/Events/1175/PaulBettany_Granitz_175009.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Bettany,%20Paul
http://jl.toonzone.net/joker/003.jpg
http://jl.toonzone.net/joker/010.jpg
http://www.batmantas.com/img/joker2.jpg

Bettany is, by no means, a normal looking person. he has an unusual face, imo. it's handsomeness twinged with what i'd describe as sinister features. he looks like he could be gregarious but without necessarily being friendly. i'm searching for a description here but, when i look at Bettany, i see someone who was most likely a popular kid and a bully when they were younger. it's that quality that i also see in the Joker. more specifically, it's his nostrils and brow that remind me most of the Joker. if you look at the stare joker is giving up in the last pick, i think that Bettany has that naturally. plus he's the right height, age, and looks cool in purple. even has the vaunted cheek bones you were going on about.
http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=10&pos=-1025

if your preference is the comic book joker, then here's your guy...
http://www.sneakpeektv.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/vincent_cassel_00290010.jpg
http://www.sneakpeektv.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/cassel.jpg.w180h268.jpg

i still think that Bettany would look better across from Bale and draw a bigger crowd.

[antmanx68]

Bettany is a scary looking guy.... in his bigger films he always plays a supportive and generally GOOD guy. but as the poster above me said, he is far from normal and safe looking though. He kind of has a sinister and very mischevious appearance and (when he wants to be) he does pale and wiry like no one's businiess... and plus i've never seen him not completely own a part. He's a somewhat known and a very critically acclaimed actor who has very solid connections/friends in the business (him, Ron Howard, and Russell Crowe are BFF, not to mention that he's married to Jennifer Connoly and is going to be in The Da Vinci Code next year which is going to be a HUGE film). Casting him would be a homerun for many different reasons. A couple of them: A) He can totally become the Joker, and bring him to life in a bizzarre and scary as hell way that audiences will be shocked and disturbed by. B) He will bring EVEN MORE credibility to a cast that is comprised of some of the finest actors working today IMO.... that was the strength of Begins for a lot of critics, and Bettany would be an extension of that.

[Muze]

what he^ said!

[Nivek]

You must be looking at different pictures, because I see drastic difference in appearence in those Joker pics and Bettany. Bettany looks like a angry Rugby player you would see at a pub, not a harlaquin madman with sharp angled features like in the Joker images you presented.



Bettany is, by no means, a normal looking person. he has an unusual face, imo. it's handsomeness twinged with what i'd describe as sinister features. he looks like he could be gregarious but without necessarily being friendly. i'm searching for a description here but, when i look at Bettany, i see someone who was most likely a popular kid and a bully when they were younger. it's that quality that i also see in the Joker. more specifically, it's his nostrils and brow that remind me most of the Joker. if you look at the stare joker is giving up in the last pick, i think that Bettany has that naturally. plus he's the right height, age, and looks cool in purple. even has the vaunted cheek bones you were going on about.



His Cheekbones? I said HIGH Cheekbones! You can see that in the pictures that his cheekbones are parallel to his nostrils, thats NOT high cheekbones. High chhekbones means they are set higher than halfway up the bridge of his nose.
Its kinda frustrating that were talking about the Joker and you mention words like handsome, goodlooking, and "the populer kid". It's the Joker, not Harvey Dent. And the Joker in school wouldn't be "The populer kid", wouldn't he be closer to "Goofy class clown" or "Class psycho".

Now the second guy you posted, now thats alot closer to a Joker look. Not a prim, GQ, athletic looking English guy. The Jokers wacko, not simply a disturbing guy.

[antmanx68]

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/014.jpg

He looks pretty frightening here if you ask me, and thats with no joker makeup.

[Nivek]

Not seeing it.

[antmanx68]

so you look at that pic and see "angry rugby player" and not "deranged skinny wierdo"?

[The Joker™]

What the hell!!!!!

Who the f-word wants Mark Hamill?

[C. Lee]

What the hell!!!!!

Who the f-word wants Mark Hamill?
At least 49 of the posters here.

[The Joker™]

You must be looking at different pictures, because I see drastic difference in appearence in those Joker pics and Bettany. Bettany looks like a angry Rugby player you would see at a pub, not a harlaquin madman with sharp angled features like in the Joker images you presented.



His Cheekbones? I said HIGH Cheekbones! You can see that in the pictures that his cheekbones are parallel to his nostrils, thats NOT high cheekbones. High chhekbones means they are set higher than halfway up the bridge of his nose.
Its kinda frustrating that were talking about the Joker and you mention words like handsome, goodlooking, and "the populer kid". It's the Joker, not Harvey Dent. And the Joker in school wouldn't be "The populer kid", wouldn't he be closer to "Goofy class clown" or "Class psycho".

Now the second guy you posted, now thats alot closer to a Joker look. Not a prim, GQ, athletic looking English guy. The Jokers wacko, not simply a disturbing guy.


What mostly gives the effect of the Joker having high cheek bones is his grin.

[antmanx68]

I dont know if some of you are realizing what they can do with big budget makeup. the actor doesnt have to be the spitting image of the Joker, if Bettany were cast i'd want him to have an elongated chin and nose, with a whig, false teeth, white (damaged) skin, and contacts. Thats what makeup is there for.

they take this guy
http://www.snurcher.com/people_pics/pygram.3.jpg

and they make him look like this...

http://www.missykat.com/pygram/yummy_brains.jpg

its no different with the Joker, you're not going to need an actor who looks exactly like him, its more important that they have a great performance in them and possess some of the tools that cant be manufactured.

[regwec]

Bettany looks like a angry Rugby player you would see at a pub
Wha..? Here is an angry Rugby player.
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/imgbk/forml1/all/big_md-i128668.jpg
In what way does Paul Bettany resemble a Rugby player? Rugby players are large, heavy and muscular. Bettany is tall, slim and light. Do you know what Rugby is? Have you ever been to a pub?

[Dark Donnie]

I still like Peter Sarsgaard

[Nivek]

Wha..? Here is an angry Rugby player.
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/imgbk/forml1/all/big_md-i128668.jpg
In what way does Paul Bettany resemble a Rugby player? Rugby players are large, heavy and muscular. Bettany is tall, slim and light. Do you know what Rugby is? Have you ever been to a pub?


Yes and yes. Bettany looks closer to that than the Joker.

And as far as the "make-up can do this", Im a sculptor and SPFX make-up artist. I know more about turning someone like Bettany into the Joker than anyone here. If you clicked my homepage you could see some of my past work. I know my s#!t.

[antmanx68]

i've never seen him do anything kind of Jokerish... only seen him play kind of boring characters.

[terry78]

I'm not sure why people think he needs anything other than the white face and makeup. He has a normal human face, the only deformity is the permanent Joker get up.

[antmanx68]

Yes and yes. Bettany looks closer to that than the Joker.

And as far as the "make-up can do this", Im a sculptor and SPFX make-up artist. I know more about turning someone like Bettany into the Joker than anyone here.

well then you know already. I've worked with lots of very talented makeup and FX artists locally (and you're in Altamonte right?) and they could make Bettany into the perfect Joker in their sleep with a very little budget.

[BatFan65]

I'm intrigued by the possibility of Keaton playing The Joker. Do you all think BOF is off base here?

http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_jett_keatonasjoker.html

[The Joker™]

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!

[Dark Knight88]

I think Keaton would have made a good Joker ....... in 1989. But seriously i'd prefer someone like Chrsitopher Eccleston or Paul Bettany atm.

[BatFan65]

I think Keaton would have made a good Joker ....... in 1989. But seriously i'd prefer someone like Chrsitopher Eccleston or Paul Bettany atm.

I've got to agree with BOF that is would come off as "gimick casting." I'm just a big fan of Keaton.

[Two-Face]

Look it's false rumor.

[BatFan65]

Look it's false rumor.

I agree. There's no way they would cast him anyhow.

[Nivek]

But what Im saying is it would require thick foam or silicone prosthetics to give him featres other actors up for the role aready have, thats my issue. And the more prothetics an actor wears, the less exspressive and constricted their face becomes. Also, the more foam an actor wears, the more uncomfortable he will be, which will inhibit his acting. If thats the case, why cast the guy? Get someone who's features are closer to the Joker, so they dont have to wear as much foam, the more wild they can get.

Its like the actor Wayne Pygram (the guy who plays Scorpius), has very strong, angled features. His scorpious prothetics in some parts are as thin as tissue paper because he doesn't need the mass to build up in areas like his brow and cheekbones and chin. Your make-up is only as good as your base subject.

[antmanx68]

I agree, i think thats a good point you've made. BUT, what im getting at is that I do see the potential for Bettany to be a killer Joker, and since their supposedely considering him im just thinking of how he would do in the role (and I think he'd own it).

[Nivek]

And he very well may be good, I just dont feel the character's classic look should have to suffer because they cast someone who needs to be heavily made up for the part.

[The Joker™]

I don't want prosthetics to be used on Joker.

I don't want a over the top Batman movie.

That would be BandR style.

[Nivek]

Prosthetics WILL be part of Jokers make-up. I will Guarantee you on that.

[Muze]

You must be looking at different pictures, because I see drastic difference in appearence in those Joker pics and Bettany. Bettany looks like a angry Rugby player you would see at a pub, not a harlaquin madman with sharp angled features like in the Joker images you presented. His Cheekbones? I said HIGH Cheekbones! You can see that in the pictures that his cheekbones are parallel to his nostrils, thats NOT high cheekbones. High chhekbones means they are set higher than halfway up the bridge of his nose.

oh well. i can't see it for you. he has all of the qualities you seem to associate with the Joker, imo. you just have to use your imagination.


Its kinda frustrating that were talking about the Joker and you mention words like handsome, goodlooking, and "the populer kid". It's the Joker, not Harvey Dent. And the Joker in school wouldn't be "The populer kid", wouldn't he be closer to "Goofy class clown" or "Class psycho".

that's just it. he has both qualities and, generally, the most popular kid in the class is the one who goofs off. he looks like the guy others would look to for leadership. that's who the Joker is whenever other villains are around. he's a tall well-dressed handsome guy who happens to have pale white skin and makeup on. how don't you see that? Cesar Romero wasn't exactly a gargoyle. neither was Jack Nicholson. a handsome actor will make for an even more impressive transformation when the makeup artists actually get to work. otherwise, people are just going to say, "so and so got the role for the joker. neat, he looks exactly like the joker" instead of "so and so got the role of the joker. wow, i would never have thought of him but he has had some really standout roles. i wonder what he'll look like after they make him up."


Now the second guy you posted, now thats alot closer to a Joker look. Not a prim, GQ, athletic looking English guy. The Jokers wacko, not simply a disturbing guy.

yeah but he has a thick french accent. live with it.


http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg (http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/060.jpg)

http://www.cartoondepot.com/pages/img/wb/pc/RC1735%20Joker.jpg (http://www.cartoondepot.com/pages/img/wb/pc/RC1735%20Joker.jpg)

cartoon characters are caricatures of real people. same damn features.

observe how JOker's cheek bones are parallel to his nostrils.

[Mike_D]

http://www.paulbettany.net/gallery/albums/gangster/caps/014.jpg

He looks pretty frightening here if you ask me, and thats with no joker makeup.

Is that Paul Bettany??

[sasquatchs]

Yea, from Gangster No. 1. You should see it, gives a good idea of what Bettany would be capable of.

[The Joker™]

Aw I'm going to rent it tonite.

[terry78]

The evil version of The Mask is the type of persona he should really have. Minus the special effects.

[DorkyFresh]

Prosthetics WILL be part of Jokers make-up. I will Guarantee you on that.
somehow i doubt Nolan's gonna use prosthetics. Nolan has never used them and the characters in the film, while looking generally like their comic book counterparts, don't look EXACTLY the same. The Joker won't need an exagerrated nose or chin. He'll just need a sadistic smile.

[Nivek]

somehow i doubt Nolan's gonna use prosthetics. Nolan has never used them and the characters in the film, while looking generally like their comic book counterparts, don't look EXACTLY the same. The Joker won't need an exagerrated nose or chin. He'll just need a sadistic smile.



Eh, i dont really buy that, though. You just get a pale guy with green hair and red lips, it will come across being pretty cheap and weak visually. He's going to need some accents, unless they get the perfect gut. And given the actors we've been presented that are up for the part? Teah, Prosthetics will definatly be needed. Even for Glover.

[antmanx68]

Nolan also didnt deal with any characters that are disfigured or deformed in Begins like the Joker will be. I expect that at least some prosthetics will be used to acheive the Jokerish features (even if its just a nose or chin).

[The Joker™]

No, prosthetics I want him to look more human.

That way he will be precived on a human level, not on a cartoon level.

[The Joker™]

I want him looking like this.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/Deadpool187/07Rossjoker.jpg

[DorkyFresh]

Eh, i dont really buy that, though. You just get a pale guy with green hair and red lips, it will come across being pretty cheap and weak visually. He's going to need some accents, unless they get the perfect gut. And given the actors we've been presented that are up for the part? Teah, Prosthetics will definatly be needed. Even for Glover.
i wouldn't say DEFINITELY.....if they got someone with extreme facial features like Crispin Glover or Lachey Hulme, I SERIOUSLY doubt they'll use prosthetics. They MIGHT use it for Bettany, but I just don't see Nolan taking they route. I don't think Nolan's too worried about getting the character to look completely faithful on film. Just look at Bale...he has a weak chin and the runner up for the role (Jake Gyllenhaal) looked even LESS like Batman. As long as they can act their roles convincingly.

[DorkyFresh]

Nolan also didnt deal with any characters that are disfigured or deformed in Begins like the Joker will be.
yeah but (if i recall correctly) the acid that Joker fell in didn't disfigure or deform his nose and chin to grow longer.

[pieeye]

I agree with you Dorky,

That definitely wouldnt make sense, Although I do feel that if we look at the Jokers origin through the red-hood arch, his acid bath may have caused his lips to get scarred by the hood. If I recall, the original red hood/joker arch spoke of a breathing apparattus in the hood. This could have had a mouth piece that could have disfigured his lips. This is really the only thing I feel would have been changed besides the bleached skin and the fried green hair. I am currently working on a hi-res manipulation for Bettany and I was actually pleasantly surprized at his features and how they worked well with slight modifications. I do believe that slight modifications will be the extent of Bettanys make-up, meaning, his laughing lines may need to be accentuated, but other than that not much else needs to be done. You will get a better idea when I finish the manipulation. Bettanys his nose is fine, not to mention that brooding brow, and hey he's already the whitest person on earth!

-pieeye
Proprietor/ Editor
http://www.jokeronfilm.com/jofbanner1.jpg (www.jokeronfilm.com)

[Keyser Soze]

You're working on a Paul Bettany manip? Awesome! If it's half as good as your Eccleston one, I'm sure we'll all be blown away. When do you expect to have finished it by? I can't wait to see it.

[Nivek]

i wouldn't say DEFINITELY.....if they got someone with extreme facial features like Crispin Glover or Lachey Hulme, I SERIOUSLY doubt they'll use prosthetics. They MIGHT use it for Bettany, but I just don't see Nolan taking they route. I don't think Nolan's too worried about getting the character to look completely faithful on film. Just look at Bale...he has a weak chin and the runner up for the role (Jake Gyllenhaal) looked even LESS like Batman. As long as they can act their roles convincingly.

Yeah, but if he drops the ball on the Jokers look by making some reguler looking guy look like a pale punk rock guy, public backlash will undo any good faith BB inspired in him. Remember, even reguler average people have a specific idea of what the Joker is supposed to look like. And Im not talking about fanboys here, even my parents can tell the difference between a Mime, a clown, the Crow, and The Joker.

And even in the first film, Jack Nicholson, who was notorious as not liking wearing prosthetics, had to wear heavy make-up for the first and only time in his career to pull off the Joker. And this was someone at the time who was concidered perfect for the role, and you know they tested the hell out of his appearence, and still went with prosthetics.

For any character in the Nolan Bat-verce, if Nolan doesn't go at least a little over the top with the Joker's appearence, it will be a very risky venture. Im not even sure if the studio will let him take a subtle approach, despite the first film success.

[Keyser Soze]

I can see where you're coming from, Nivek. Perhaps Bettany could use a little subtle prosthetic work. Maybe a bit like Benecio Del Toro in "Sin City",where you don't really notice the prosthetic. Maybe just a little on his nose or chin, to make his face more angular, or as pieeye said, just emphasise his laugh-lines.

But I don't see any major work being needed. I think Paul Bettany really does have a Joker look about him.

[Nivek]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/bett1.jpg

[BatMan032886]

that looks good

[Nivek]

And that required a good deal of distortion and manipulation.

[DorkyFresh]

And even in the first film, Jack Nicholson, who was notorious as not liking wearing prosthetics, had to wear heavy make-up for the first and only time in his career to pull off the Joker. And this was someone at the time who was concidered perfect for the role, and you know they tested the hell out of his appearence, and still went with prosthetics.

Yeah but you have to remember....Tim Burton's Batman had a world where Gotham looked VERY Gothic, the Batmobile had guns, and the Joker wore a deep, hot purple. Burton's world and Nolan's world are about as different as you can get...

[Nivek]

Set design, costume design, and gadgets excluded, the point I was making was Nicholson was very aprehensive about wearing make-up, and despite having a well known face, 3/4ths of it was covered in prosthetics in order to make him a passable Joker. It not a matter of Nolan's world being different, as much as people know what the Joker should look like as much as Batman. You make him too normal looking, people will reject it.

That and recent successful comic films have shown one factor. The closer somthing is to the source material, the more successful the franchise is. if they made a Brian Bolland Joker made Flesh, I'm sure it would have a more positive overall reaction than just some pale guy with a green tint to his hair.

[DorkyFresh]

It not a matter of Nolan's world being different
that's total and utter bull....everything has to be consistant in order for Nolan's world to work. put Jack Nicholson's Joker in Batman Begins and it just won't work. if Nolan can find a great actor who looks just like the Joker, he won't need prosthetics.

That and recent successful comic films have shown one factor. The closer somthing is to the source material, the more successful the franchise is.
if Batman Begins has taught me anything...it's that you don't have to make a movie 100% visually identical to the comic book in order to stay faithful. Christian Bale has a weak jaw while Batman has a strong jaw. Caine doesn't have a moustache even though Alfred is usually drawn with one. Batman's suit isn't gray and blue like it is in the comics.

[Nivek]

that's total and utter bull....everything has to be consistant in order for Nolan's world to work. put Jack Nicholson's Joker in Batman Begins and it just won't work. if Nolan can find a great actor who looks just like the Joker, he won't need prosthetics.


... :rolleyes: ...

Im not talking abould cloning Jack and dropping him into the sequel. Im trying to say theat the Joker should look like the Joker.Iif they cast someone that hardly needs any work, bravo, Im on the same page with you. Im just saying prothetics shouldn't be a bad thing IF ITS NEEDED TO JOKER-UP AN ACTOR.


if Batman Begins has taught me anything...it's that you don't have to make a movie 100% visually identical to the comic book in order to stay faithful. Christian Bale has a weak jaw while Batman has a strong jaw. Caine doesn't have a moustache even though Alfred is usually drawn with one. Batman's suit isn't gray and blue like it is in the comics.[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't agree about Bale having a weak Jaw, but I'm not fooling myself about the fact these movies are based on Comic Books.

[regwec]

... :rolleyes: ...
The code for that smilie should be :giveup: . Posting that tedious little face is tantamount to admitting an argument it lost.

[DavidTyler]

.............

And even in the first film, Jack Nicholson, who was notorious as not liking wearing prosthetics, had to wear heavy make-up for the first and only time in his career to pull off the Joker. And this was someone at the time who was concidered perfect for the role, and you know they tested the hell out of his appearence, and still went with prosthetics.

.......

And I spent most of Nicholson's screen time in that film staring at the hunk of rubber on the lower half of his face. I couldn't help it. It was very obvious and very distracting. It was years before I could watch the film without having to deliberately tear my eyes away from that appliance.

[terry78]

http://members.cox.net/nowlanink/bgirl.jpg

He's just very very skinny. That's always been his look. Nicholson played him all right, but he was a tad chunky.

[Dark Guardian]

I doubt that would go through. It would also be really...really wierd. I could see some bloopers from that movie where Keaton playfully punches Bale saying "Thats my suit! Get the hell outta my suit!"

[Muze]

Set design, costume design, and gadgets excluded, the point I was making was Nicholson was very aprehensive about wearing make-up, and despite having a well known face, 3/4ths of it was covered in prosthetics in order to make him a passable Joker. It not a matter of Nolan's world being different, as much as people know what the Joker should look like as much as Batman. You make him too normal looking, people will reject it.

That and recent successful comic films have shown one factor. The closer somthing is to the source material, the more successful the franchise is. if they made a Brian Bolland Joker made Flesh, I'm sure it would have a more positive overall reaction than just some pale guy with a green tint to his hair.

i don't think that Jack Nicholson looked anything like the comic book version of the Joker; prosthetics and all. i also don't think that anyone had preconcieved notions about what he should look like before Batman '98 unless they were comparing him to the cesar romero version.

Yeah, but if he drops the ball on the Jokers look by making some reguler looking guy look like a pale punk rock guy, public backlash will undo any good faith BB inspired in him. Remember, even reguler average people have a specific idea of what the Joker is supposed to look like. And Im not talking about fanboys here, even my parents can tell the difference between a Mime, a clown, the Crow, and The Joker.


you're fooling yourself. the only thing that makes the joker stand out from those other 3 is the color scheme. you give him green hair and a red smile and they'll see it as the joker. bet. btw, can your parents tell the difference between the Crow and Edward Scissorhands? i hear people mix those two up all the time (during Halloween).

[Muze]

And that required a good deal of distortion and manipulation.

really? it looks pretty simplistic; hardly different from the original pic. i bet Bettany could have created that look himself; for Halloween.

[drknight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/LoganTrent/joker8.jpg

[drknight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/LoganTrent/joker9.jpg

[Muze]

what's the red x for?

[The Question]

... :rolleyes: ...

Im not talking abould cloning Jack and dropping him into the sequel. Im trying to say theat the Joker should look like the Joker.Iif they cast someone that hardly needs any work, bravo, Im on the same page with you. Im just saying prothetics shouldn't be a bad thing IF ITS NEEDED TO JOKER-UP AN ACTOR.


But it won't be needed. The Joker doesn't have a fixed smile or freakishly out of preportion facial features. He's just a guy with white skin and green hair.

[drknight]

what's the red x for?

I made another manip, but it wasn't that good.

[Castlewood]

Jake Busey.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0000998/JB-headshot.jpg

'Nuff said.

Someone needs to manip that NOW.

[Nivek]

really? it looks pretty simplistic; hardly different from the original pic. i bet Bettany could have created that look himself; for Halloween.


Yeah, if he added about an inch and a half to his to his nose and chin, and raised both his cheekbones. I do it all the time. Of course, I have to use rubber to do it...

But it won't be needed. The Joker doesn't have a fixed smile or freakishly out of preportion facial features. He's just a guy with white skin and green hair.

the fixed smile I can agree with, but his features in the comics and other media have always been depicted as out of proportion, at the very least angled. Look at any Brian Bolland, Jim Arpo, or even Jim Lee pic of the character. He's drawn by many different artists, but there are certain rules you have to go by.

You can see that just by looking here at the The Jokers Lair thread (
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143643)

[Muze]

Yeah, if he added about an inch and a half to his to his nose and chin, and raised both his cheekbones. I do it all the time. Of course, I have to use rubber to do it...

i've got nothing against rubber. of course, i like drknight's manip of that same pic slightly more. he's missing the green hair but it looks more natural. that and the cheekbones look the same height as those in your manip. one just has a longer chin and, apparently, a thinner face (could be done with the camera).

[Nivek]

i've got nothing against rubber. of course, i like drknight's manip of that same pic slightly more. he's missing the green hair but it looks more natural. that and the cheekbones look the same height as those in your manip. one just has a longer chin and, apparently, a thinner face (could be done with the camera).


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/LoganTrent/joker8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/bett2.jpg

I moved the cheekbones up and out a bit as well. Not to diss drknight, but making him white with red lips doesn't make him the Joker. Just makes him look like a pale guy wearing lip stick.

[Dark Knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/LoganTrent/joker8.jpg


cool manip of Bettany as Joker! Bettany as the Clown Prince of Crime is really starting to grow on me.

[BatMan032886]

Damn, that looks nice.

[Muze]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/LoganTrent/joker8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/bett2.jpg

I moved the cheekbones up and out a bit as well. Not to diss drknight, but making him white with red lips doesn't make him the Joker. Just makes him look like a pale guy wearing lip stick.

fair enough. so does he look like an 'angry rugby player' now?