Joker Casting Threads [merged-30]

[Motown Marvel]

i'd vote for chris eccleston and crispin glover.

[lionhart]

....^and why is man-bat the same guy from "Ghost Rider" still?


would you guys like to give me your top 5 choices?

SUPERSEBAS
LIONHEART
PYTHENIS

Paul Bettany, Tim Roth, Christopher Eccelston, Johnny Depp, and Adrian Brody.

and also to save time.


SUPERSEBAS: Chrispin Glover becuase he is teh best choice becuase Joker is reelisticm and not a comic adaptioon.

[TankerX]

if he were older
i think zach braff may make a good joker
or maybe jake gyllenhaal

[I - Robot]

Still I say, Vincent D'Nofrio.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Joaquin Phoenix

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/niteshade2244/10.jpg

[Ark-el]

i think Christopher Eccleston is perfect for the joker

[Muze]

Still I say, Vincent D'Nofrio.

Joker's a fatty now?

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Joaquin Phoenix

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/niteshade2244/10.jpg

I recommended him about 8 months ago.

[ipolo]

http://paradews.com/joker2.jpg

this is the real joker.......

[Nivek]

I recommended him about 8 months ago.


No, Phoenix blows chunks, I still get mad seeing him in the Cash role butchering the songs because he just had to sing them himself. Keep him away from the Joker role.

[That-Guy]

Here are my top 5:

1. Andy Serkis
2. Paul Bettany
3. Ryan Phillippe
4. Crispin Glover
5. Adrien Brody

[Keyser Soze]

Interesting that a couple of people have mentioned Andy Serkis as their top choice. Up until recently, he's had little or no buzz around him for the part. And I personally never would have considered him. But now that people mention it, he does make an interesting left-field candidate. Still not sure I'm convinved though...

[draztec420]

I don't know if this was already mentioned but one person their looking at is Michael Keaton as the Joker. I thought the idea is pretty cool. Michael Keaton is a hell of an actor and he has the look. But I would rather see Crispin Glover or Sean Penn as the Joker. They look like they got the look more than Michael Keaton.

[Keyser Soze]

Well, in the new issue of Total Film, they asked Christopher Nolan if Sean Penn could end up playing The Joker. Quite coyly, Nolan replied "Well, that would depend on the script..."

[Nivek]

Keaton was simply fanboy crotch applause. He is not in the running.

And Sean Penn... are these people coming up with these casting ideas even thinking "does this guy look like the Joker"? Wait, nevermind... forgot where I was...

[Brian2887]

After watching Jarhead, I really think Gyllenhaal could pull off the role of Joker. He's one hell of a young actor. He almost got the part of Batman, so I think Goyer and Nolan like the guy. Bring him in as Black Mask or Joker, preferrably Joker. There was a scene in Jarhead where he kinda went berserk, and I didn't know the kid had it in him. He's a major talent.

http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos46/jake-gyllenhaal7.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

If he was 10 years older, Jake Gyllenhaal would be near the top of my shortlist. As it is, he's still a strong choice, but his young age works against him. I'm sure he could pull the role off brilliantly, but I can already hear the fanboy whining - "OMG they are raping teh character of teh Joker!!!!!!!!!"...

[Keyser Soze]

I don't know if this is inspired lunacy, or just lunacy. But I was watching TV, and someone appeared on the screen who I had never thought of before. But the more I think about it, the more I think he could potentially be excellent in the part. I'm not putting him into my shortlist just yet - I may wake up tomorrow and think its an awful idea - but I think I should get the suggestion out there while it's fresh in my head:

Robert Downey Jr

http://www.moviebox.se/_photos/releaser/637/kisskissbangbang_11.jpg

I know, it's a risky choice. I think Downey Jr's story is one of the great modern tragedies of Hollywood. A man with the potential to be one of the most talented actors of his generation, who has instead become dominated by his drug addiction.

But he seems to have kicked the habit, and is having a major comeback. He has the manic energy for The Joker, as well as the acting gravitas to be convincing in portraying the character's more sinister elements. I think Robert Downey Jr as The Joker is a very interesting possibility.

But as I said, this is just something that popped into my head. May be a load of nonsense, but tell me what you think.

[StorminNorman]

After watching Jarhead, I really think Gyllenhaal could pull off the role of Joker. He's one hell of a young actor. He almost got the part of Batman, so I think Goyer and Nolan like the guy. Bring him in as Black Mask or Joker, preferrably Joker. There was a scene in Jarhead where he kinda went berserk, and I didn't know the kid had it in him. He's a major talent.

http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos46/jake-gyllenhaal7.jpg

After seeing Jarhead (which I completly hated - the portrayl of American Marines as uncontrollable psycos was wrong, Foxx and Gyllenhaul are the only reason it is even watchable) I would agree Gylenhaul would be fantastic in many roles - including Black Mask. I finally see what Goyer saw in him when he wanted him to be Batman.

[Keyser Soze]

But what would you think of such a young Joker? Having a young Scarecrow was a risky move, but it paid off. But is making The Joker in his mid-twenties a step too far?

Although there is one interesting thought about Cillian Murphy being Scarecrow and Jake Gyllenhaal being Batman. Actors who auditioned for Batman playing the villains? Could be Nolan's way of saying that the psychos in Gotham City are actually dark reflections of Batman himself...

[StorminNorman]

But what would you think of such a young Joker? Having a young Scarecrow was a risky move, but it paid off. But is making The Joker in his mid-twenties a step too far?

Although there is one interesting thought about Cillian Murphy being Scarecrow and Jake Gyllenhaal being Batman. Actors who auditioned for Batman playing the villains? Could be Nolan's way of saying that the psychos in Gotham City are actually dark reflections of Batman himself...

Why would he have to be limited by his real life age? I have no doubt he can age with the character as many great actors do. Joker is already going to be painted up - why not add some years too? Bettany is still my guy, but Gyllenhaul probably moved up to second after Jarhead.

[Keyser Soze]

You're right, Norman. Look at Nick Stahl as Yellow Bastard in "Sin City". It would be easy to age Jake Gyllenhaal by at least 10 years without the changes being obvious.

[StorminNorman]

You're right, Norman. Look at Nick Stahl as Yellow Bastard in "Sin City". It would be easy to age Jake Gyllenhaal by at least 10 years without the changes being obvious.

Exactly, I fully understand you worry - and if he couldnt pull off being 30-40ish then the character would not work, but I would have enough trust in Nolan and Goyer to pick the right guy.

[Keyser Soze]

Well, I was initially worried because, after an awesome performance in "Donnie Darko", Gyllenhaal appeared to be getting typecast in these angsty youth roles.

But with upcoming roles in "Jarhead", "Zodiac" and "Brokeback Mountain", he really reems to be maturing as an actor. So maybe he could pull it off after all...

[Brian2887]

Gyllenhaal has like, an amazing voice for the role. It's just the right pitch, the right inflection. Get that smile, an evil high-pitched laugh, and make-up. Man, he could be perfect...

I mean, the fact that I'm considering him for Joker shows some amazing range on his part. Back when Superman Returns was picking up, I was all for Jake as Superman... That's quite a different character than the Joker...

http://www.jakegyllenhaal.com/images/jake.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/movie_pix/mtv/mtv_movie_awards_backstage_2004_photos/jake_gyllenhaal/mtv2.jpg
http://www.staciwilson.com/Moonlight_Mile/Jake_Gyllenhaal2.jpg
http://www.parn.pro.br/blog/images/jakegyllenhaal.jpg

[CrimeMaster!]

I recommended him about 8 months ago.


Joaquin Phoenix would be a horrible choice in my opinion,so many better choices out there.

[Nivek]

Hmmm, you know, he REALLY does resemble the Bolland Joker, with shockingly hardly any manipulation other than airbrushing on the color!!

Heres a quick manip of him. I think I have a new favorite in this fan casting thing...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Nivekian/gyllenhaal-Joke.jpg

[Farva]

I know it was years ago, but when I think Gyllenhall, I think...

http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Movies/Art/b/bubble.boy2.082301.jpgBubbleBoy!

[Nivek]

Yeah, but F typecasting. I mean if we want to play that game, everyone in BB had notable character roles as well. Donnie Darko vs. Patrick Bateman, with his trusty butler Nigel Powers, and Lt. Sid Vicious and God backing him up.

[Farva]

ANd not to get too far off topic, but anyone else think that GYllenhall and Brittany Murphy were seperated at birth?

[Nivek]

Well, she was brought up for Harley Quinn...

[The Chairman]

Gyllenhaal has like, an amazing voice for the role. It's just the right pitch, the right inflection. Get that smile, an evil high-pitched laugh, and make-up. Man, he could be perfect...

I mean, the fact that I'm considering him for Joker shows some amazing range on his part. Back when Superman Returns was picking up, I was all for Jake as Superman... That's quite a different character than the Joker...

http://www.jakegyllenhaal.com/images/jake.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/movie_pix/mtv/mtv_movie_awards_backstage_2004_photos/jake_gyllenhaal/mtv2.jpg
http://www.staciwilson.com/Moonlight_Mile/Jake_Gyllenhaal2.jpg
http://www.parn.pro.br/blog/images/jakegyllenhaal.jpg

Wow, he really could do a good Joker! I'll manip him using MS Paint.

[Farva]

Well, she was brought up for Harley Quinn...

I remember that, maybe to really weird things out what if Joker and Harley were related in a movie...hmmm...well i know that isnt going to happen, but they sure look like twins. BUt all in all i think they both could probably pull off the parts.

I never thought Gyllenhall would make a good Supes, but he may make a good joker. Not a bad fan choice.

[The Chairman]

I've revised my top five:

1) Tim Roth
http://www.henshinonline.com/images/ef_darkwater_roth.jpg

2) Jake Gyllenhaal
http://www.kinomania.ru/stars/j/Jake_Gyllenhaal/vert/39.jpg

3) Adrien Brody
http://www.worth1000.com/web/media/107264/ab_.jpg

4) Crispin Glover
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8993/cglover1-1.gif

5) Sean Penn
http://www.utterwonder.com/archives/images/sean%20penn-thumb.jpg

[antmanx68]

Gyllenhaal has like, an amazing voice for the role. It's just the right pitch, the right inflection. Get that smile, an evil high-pitched laugh, and make-up. Man, he could be perfect...

I mean, the fact that I'm considering him for Joker shows some amazing range on his part. Back when Superman Returns was picking up, I was all for Jake as Superman... That's quite a different character than the Joker...



I think he's kind of boring. I mean, sure he could do it, who knows what he's ultimately capable of, but I dont see what it is about him that even gets his name brought up more than once. I've seen him in a bunch of movies and I havent seen much that leads me to think he could play a good (or even average) Joker.

[All-Star Batman]

2) Jake Gyllenhaal
http://www.kinomania.ru/stars/j/Jake_Gyllenhaal/vert/39.jpg



He looks creepy there.

[dark_b]

this is the joker:

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/casselderailed1.jpg

p.s. he just needs some green hair and thats it. we have a winner.

[Farva]

this is the joker:

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/casselderailed1.jpg

p.s. he just needs some green hair and thats it. we have a winner.

It's too bad CS! didn't ask him about any interest in the Joker role. (The interview is in the sidebox of the SHH homepage).

[spdrknight]

^ From the comingsoon.com piece it seemed like he wants to get away from villian roles and branch. He may not take on a role like the Joker because of that.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't really like Vincent Cassell as an actor.

[Mr Sensitive]

this is the joker:

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/casselderailed1.jpg

p.s. he just needs some green hair and thats it. we have a winner.

I really agree.
Cassel would be perfect, and I suppose he could be convinced if Nolan wanted him to do the part.

[Keyser Soze]

The more I think about Jake Gyllenhaal as The Joker, the more I like the idea.

And I'm still feeling pretty confident about my Robert Downey Jr suggestion. No screaming of "What were you thinking!?" at the back of my mind just yet.

[chazzared]

Nigel Powers!? Charlie Croker if you please...

[That-Guy]

Interesting that a couple of people have mentioned Andy Serkis as their top choice. Up until recently, he's had little or no buzz around him for the part. And I personally never would have considered him. But now that people mention it, he does make an interesting left-field candidate. Still not sure I'm convinved though...

Well, here are a couple of shots that might help to sway you... still there is a MUCH more convincing one that someone posted here a long time ago that had him performing some sort of vaudeville-type show and he was dressed almost EXACTLY like the Joker... unfortunately I couldn't find it but if anyone knows what I'm talking about, please post that picture.
http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/LOTR_King000AndySerkis.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/tbonesgirl06/images/smeagol_4.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

I think that there's potential here. if Andy Serkis were to clean himself up a bit - lose his stubble, get a shorter haircut, dress classier - he could actually look the part of The Joker. And as far as acting goes, he could certainly pull it off.

[Mr Sensitive]

It's too bad CS! didn't ask him about any interest in the Joker role. (The interview is in the sidebox of the SHH homepage).

Just read it. They should've asked the man, for Gawd's sake.

[SINISTER SMILE]

casselle i heard hes insane in derailed

[Nivek]

I love Serkis, he's just a bit too round for the Joker.

Now, the Penguin however...

[StorminNorman]

The more I think about Jake Gyllenhaal as The Joker, the more I like the idea.

And I'm still feeling pretty confident about my Robert Downey Jr suggestion. No screaming of "What were you thinking!?" at the back of my mind just yet.

My thoughts exactly, he is really pushing Paul Bettany at this point.

[Keyser Soze]

And what about Robert Downey Jr? Do you think that idea is TOO left-field?

[Mike_D]

Hulk Hogan.

[Keyser Soze]

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Brother.

[StorminNorman]

And what about Robert Downey Jr? Do you think that idea is TOO left-field?

I just dont like Robert Downy Jr - I am not sure if I let him off screen life ruin him for me or what - just never a huge fan: I dont feel I can fairly address him as a candidate.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, that was what I was saying. Robert Downey Jr is this amazing actor, who has just totally ruined himself with his drug problem. I mean, can anyone actually name one of his acclaimed performances anymore? or is he just known as that guy who went to prison for being a junkie?

It's a shame, because when he's on form, Downey Jr is electrifying. Robert Downkey Jr in his prime could bring down the house as The Joker. But there's always the risk with him, where you're not quite sure if he's a safe long-term bet for a franchise.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, that was what I was saying. Robert Downey Jr is this amazing actor, who has just totally ruined himself with his drug problem. I mean, can anyone actually name one of his acclaimed performances anymore? or is he just known as that guy who went to prison for being a junkie?

It's a shame, because when he's on form, Downey Jr is electrifying. Robert Downkey Jr in his prime could bring down the house as The Joker. But there's always the risk with him, where you're not quite sure if he's a safe long-term bet for a franchise.

exactly - I would love to have a Batman Franchise that has a never changing selection of characters and actors - almost like the Harry Potter films.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. And that's why maybe we SHOULD be looking towards the younger generation when it comes to casting. I mean, look at my top choice: Tim Roth. He's an awesome actor, and would be an amazing Joker, but he's about 46 years old. By the time the third film came around he'd be 50.

A guy like Jake Gyllenhaal may, at first glance, seem to young. But as we've stated, he can be aged. And being young, he could potentially stay with the franchise for many years, growing into the role. And look at Scarecrow. I'm sure many people scoffed at Crane being in his late twenties. But Cillian Murphy was great! And Gyllenhaal is an even better actor than Murphy.

And then there's the point I mentioned before. Gotham's villains working as a dark reflection of Batman. What better way to do that than to cast people who auditioned for the role of Bruce Wayne as the crazies? It's perfect, especially because, if he wasn't Batman, Christian Bale could have been excellent as The Joker - it works both ways!

And finally, maybe it would be nice to give poor Jake a break. He was Spider-Man ever-so-briefly, until Tobey Maguire returned to the role and he was dropped. He auditioned for Batman, and was unsuccessful. He was attached to the Green hornet project which seems to have vanished without a trace. Somebody please cast him in a superhero film already!

[antmanx68]

I really wanna be in a Superhero movie too, does that mean they should they cast me?

[Keyser Soze]

Yes. What part do you want?

[StorminNorman]

I want to be Maxie Zues.

[The Joker™]

Forget being in a movie, I'd want to be Joker in real life.

[Kritish]

At least this is all in one therad now. I swear if the fanboys had thought of it there would have been a "Saddam Hussin for Joker " thread.

[Nivek]

And what about Robert Downey Jr? Do you think that idea is TOO left-field?


I like him too, aside from his age I dont think he's too left field. No more than the thought of someone like Bettany.

[TheJuice]

http://www.mugshots.net/robert_downey_jr/robert_downey_jr.jpgRobert Downey, Jr.

[Keyser Soze]

I like him too, aside from his age I dont think he's too left field. No more than the thought of someone like Bettany.

He's not that old. He's only 40 - younger than the likes of Crispin Glover and Christopher Eccleston.

[Mr Sensitive]

The problem with Downey Jr (whom I think is a great actor) is, in my opinion, that this time the Joker should be tall and lean.

With Jack Nicholson they got it wrong, and, despite Nicholson's very well known superb talents, he wasn't everything the Joker should be.

They should this time try to get a Joker in between Bolland's and McKean's depictions of him.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, fair point. Okay, if we're going for the tall, lean route, what about Justin Theroux?

http://dyn.ifilm.com/image/stills/multimedia/photos/k/2531938_i_1_k_.jpg

I know this choice has been mentioned before. But after watching the excellent "Mullholand Dr." again, the idea recurred to me. He's a recurring collaborater with David Lynch, so knows all about weird and creepy, and is also an underrated actor in terms of talent.

http://www.gmax.co.za/feel/film/film04/pics/040913-justint.jpg

Theroux - or the other names I've mentioned recently - are not necessarily my top choices. I'm just trying to bring up new names to keep the discussion fresh. Oh, and this awful manip isn't mine, but I found it while searching for images and thought I'd post it:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/NotorietyH/therouxjoker.gif

[Keyser Soze]

Here are some other pics of Justin Theroux:

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/7138/just11wb.jpg

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1110157/photo_04.jpg

http://images.zap2it.com/20040825/thebrunettegallery01/014_justintheroux_alongcamepollypr.jpg

[spanish39]

JUSTIN seems more like DENT to me. I suggested him as Joker way back before "Begins" but then quickly I changed my mind and decided he is the perfect DENT. He has and always will be my DENT lol.

Downey is a gret actor, though he may be too short for Joker, I really don't know his height. How old is he?

Gyllenhaal is a great actor as well excluding "Bubble boy" lmao. I don't think of him as a Joker-esque actor though, just my opinion.

Jaquin Phoenix is a great choice too. He has a heir-lip unfortunatly but make-up can cover that useually, a lot of make-up. I don't see him getting his voice up that high when he gets really angry though.

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 11:48am @ WED 11/9/05......Out of 118 Votes Total......


IN CURRENT VOTED ORDER:
Chris Eccelstone 18
Paul Bettany 18
Lachy Hulme 12
Vincent Cassell 5
Complete Unknown 4
Will Arnett 3
Jason Lee 3
Andy Serkis 3
Robert Carlyle 2
Sam Rockwell 2
Alan Cummings 2


ALL THE NAMES
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Michael Wincott 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1, Zach Braff 1, Walton Goggins 1, Will Friedel 1, Ryan Phillippe 1, Jake Gyllenhaal 1

Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Bussy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Ryan Gosling, Michael Emerson, Robert Joy, Simon Baker, Craig Beirko, Bradley Cooper, Stuart Townsand, Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olephant, Luke Goss, Vincent Gallo, James Frain, Ryan Reynolds, Richard E. Grant, Richard Roxburgh, James Marsters, Robert Downey Jr., Justin Theroux, Steve Zhan



THE OLD AND ODD CHOICES:
Tim Roth 7, Crispin Glover 7, Adrien Brody 3, Benicio Del Torro 3, Johnny Depp 2, Jim Carrey 2, Sean Penn 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi 1

Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton, Robin Williams, Tim Curry, Brad Dourif


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard, Muze, Brian2887, Katsuro, sasquatchs, ghost113, aka_sammym, StorminNorman, Slipknot, Ceb-Man, Antmanx68, Motown Marvel, Lionheart, Jackasscoley 15, That-Guy

[Saph]

Although I would love Christopher Eccleston in the role, I don't know if he could pull it off. In his role of Doctor Who, a cheery and chatty character, he wasn't too good. In 28 days later and an episode of Inspector Morse, he was great. BUT. He was playing the person you didn't expect would be the bad guy. And we all know Joker isn't the person you least suspect. I think Eccelson may be a one trick pony.

[Nivek]

This from the guy who thinks a Dark Red is Brown... :rolleyes:


He's one of the best guys in the running. And his facial features, voice, and even the way he moves makes him one of the best guys for the part.

[Saph]

This from the guy who thinks a Dark Red is brown...I don't think the Superman costume is brown, in fact of you look in the Debate thread you can see me argue with someone who thinks the suit is brown.

Oh, and you're dismissing my view just because I don't like a costume. Nazi. :down

[Saph]

He's one of the best guys in the running. And his facial features, voice, and even the way he moves makes him one of the best guys for the part.
That's YOUR opinion.

[Nivek]

I take it you couldn't find anyone to bait this afternoon in the Superman boards? Brownie, yer doin a heck of a Job. Keep fighting the good fight of convincing people that the Superman suit sucks. And that Dark Red is Brown, or not Red, or maroon. Did you ever post over here about what color the Begins suit was as well, whether it was a Grey, Matte Black, Pewter, Flat Black, Light Black (that one still cracks me up),

Eccelstone is a fan favorite in these parts, so it's not just MY opinion that he's a good potential for the role. Theres even a couple great manips of him as the Joker as well.

[Saph]

I take it you couldn't find anyone to bait this afternoon in the Superman boards? Brownie, yer doin a heck of a Job. Keep fighting the good fight of convincing people that the Superman suit sucks. And that Dark Red is Brown, or not Red, or maroon. Did you ever post over here about what color the Begins suit was as well, whether it was a Grey, Matte Black, Pewter, Flat Black, Light Black (that one still cracks me up),The only one that's baiting here is you. I didn't come here to talk about the Superman suit.

Eccelstone is a fan favorite in these parts,I know. He is my favourite for the role as well, along with Crispin Glover. so it's not just MY opinion that he's a good potential for the role. Theres even a couple great manips of him as the Joker as well.Your logic is laughable. "People agree with me, so I MUST be right." :rolleyes: Eccleston is my favourite candidate too. But i'm not allowed to have doubts?

[Keyser Soze]

Saph is right, on both counts. Nivek, it was you who "baited" him - even though I personally agree with you that the suit is fine. And his doubts about Eccleston seemed perfectly valid to me.

Now to spanish39:

I think Justin Thereux could work as Dent as well. But he has that slightly creepy quality to him that makes me think he'd be a better Joker.

As for Robert Downey Jr, he's 5 foot 9 and 40 years old. And I'd say Joaquin Phoenix could pull off a high-pitched tone if necessary ("AM I NOT MERCIFUL!!!!!?") but strangely enough I think he'd be better as Dent than as The Joker. Though Liev Schrieber has long been my top choice for Dent, even before I knew he was a favourite.

[Mr Sensitive]

Keyser,
I really like your Justin Theroux suggestion. He could be a very good Joker indeed.

[The Joker™]

I wanted Paul Bettany, but now I don't anymore.

[Keyser Soze]

Thanks, Mr Sensitive. I thought it was an interesting choice. Justin Theroux has been very good in everything from "Six Feet Under" to "Mulholland Dr.", but I get the impression watching him that there's untapped potential, something dark he's holding back. As The Joker, he could really cut loose. The closest we've seen to that raw energy breaking out before is the scene in "Mulholland Dr." where he demolishes the car with the golf-club, which is, ironically enough, an homage to Jack Nicholson...

[Kritish]

Here are some other pics of Justin Theroux:

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/7138/just11wb.jpg

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1110157/photo_04.jpg

http://images.zap2it.com/20040825/thebrunettegallery01/014_justintheroux_alongcamepollypr.jpg


I think he'd be a great joker. :joker:

[Keyser Soze]

Cool, I've finally suggested a candidate that's getting some positive buzz! :)

[The Joker™]

Ha excellent choice Keyser. :up:

[StorminNorman]

I wouldn't be dissapointed - my faves now are Jake Gyllenhaal and Paul Bettany, but I think Theroux would be fine.

[Muze]

Christopher Eccleston
Paul Bettany
Vincent Cassell

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://paradews.com/joker2.jpg

this is the real joker.......


Puuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjj!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nivek]

The only one that's baiting here is you. I didn't come here to talk about the Superman suit.

Actually, I complimented you, then asked a question if you were here for the Batsuit discussion. If I want to debate the Supes suit, I know right where to go.

I know. He is my favourite for the role as well, along with Crispin Glover.[/QUOTE]

well, another compliment at you, he's one of my favorites as well. Same goes for Glover.

Your logic is laughable. "People agree with me, so I MUST be right." :rolleyes: Eccleston is my favourite candidate too. But i'm not allowed to have doubts?


Oh no, I know my logic is not always right. But I dont ever like to play the "Your attacking me, Im a victom!" card. That just makes anyone look kinda wussified. But I am finding I do agree more your Batman opinions. You should stick around. :up:

[Katsuro]

Puuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjj!!!!!!!!!!!

Is.. um... Is that supposed to mean something? Puaj? I think i've seen you say that before, what does it mean?

And I love that Veidt manip. I would love it if the Joker looks just like that in the film (i mean I know Veidt cant' be in the movie since he's dead, but whatever actor is chosen should look just like that) I love everything about it. I love the discoloration around the eyes. It doen'st look like make-up, it looks like he's just plain sick, and it looks almost natural. Like I can actually imagine seeing that guy, and just being so freaking scared. I love it.

[Mr Sensitive]

Thanks, Mr Sensitive. I thought it was an interesting choice. Justin Theroux has been very good in everything from "Six Feet Under" to "Mulholland Dr.", but I get the impression watching him that there's untapped potential, something dark he's holding back. As The Joker, he could really cut loose. The closest we've seen to that raw energy breaking out before is the scene in "Mulholland Dr." where he demolishes the car with the golf-club, which is, ironically enough, an homage to Jack Nicholson...

Yeah, that scene in Mulholland Dr is great (and that is my favourite David Lynch's movie).

Theroux seems to be a great actor waiting for a role that can give him room to show it. It could be the Joker, who knows?

He is surely a name to put together with Cassel, Eccleston and the other very good choices.

[Keyser Soze]

I agree, Mr. Sensitive. Theroux does seem like a great actor who is still waiting for a great role. I'd actually say the same thing about Paul Bettany actually.

[spanish39]

double posted dammit!

[spanish39]

StorminNorman would you like to take a vote away from someone and add Jake?
1.Paul, 2.Alan, 3.Lachy, 4.Chris, 5.Will

The Joker.tm, are you the same Joker.tm or no? If you are then you never voted for Bettany anyway so your good pal.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
SO FAR......as of 10:25pm @ THU 11/10/05......Out of 118 Votes Total......since 10-09-05


IN CURRENT VOTED ORDER:
Paul Bettany 18_________15.3%
Chris Eccelstone 17______14.4%
Lachy Hulme 12_________10.2%
Vincent Cassell 5_________4.2%
Complete Unknown 4______3.4%
Will Arnett 3_____________2.5%
Jason Lee 3
Andy Serkis 3
Robert Carlyle 2__________1.7%
Sam Rockwell 2
Alan Cummings 2
Jake Gyllenhaal 2


ALL THE NAMES __________0.8%
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1, Zach Braff 1, Walton Goggins 1, Will Friedel 1, Ryan Phillippe 1, Justin Theroux 1

Michael Wincott, Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Bussy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Ryan Gosling, Michael Emerson, Robert Joy, Simon Baker, Craig Beirko, Bradley Cooper, Stuart Townsand, Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olephant, Luke Goss, Vincent Gallo, James Frain, Ryan Reynolds, Richard E. Grant, Richard Roxburgh, James Marsters, Steve Zhan



THE OLD AND ODD CHOICES:
Tim Roth 7________________ 6%
Crispin Glover 7, Adrien Brody 3, Benicio Del Torro 3, Johnny Depp 2, Jim Carrey 2, Sean Penn 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi 1

Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton, Robin Williams, Tim Curry, Brad Dourif, Robert Downey Jr.


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard, Muze, Brian2887, Katsuro, sasquatchs, ghost113, aka_sammym, StorminNorman, Slipknot, Ceb-Man, Antmanx68, Motown Marvel, Lionheart, Jackasscoley 15, That-Guy

[Keyser Soze]

Spanish, I'll adjust my top 5. These three remain the same:

Tim Roth
Paul Bettany
Benicio Del Toro

But I'm taking out the other two. Michael Wincott because I think my two new candidates are better choices. Christopher Eccleston because, though he's a great choice, he's got more than enough support as it is. I can name someone else instead and he'll still get in the poll without a doubt. So here is my adjusted list:

Tim Roth
Paul Bettany
Benicio Del Toro
Jake Gyllenhaal
Justin Theroux

[typeorocks]

here is a idea....what if they didnt do the joker in the next film... insted Hype him up more... ex: have gordon investagte crime scenes that was left by the joker and his men. Have joker "products" showen. But for some reason batman cant find him. And then you can have the 2-face story also in the movie where batman puts more focus on him since hes a friend of bruce wayne.

I rather see that...to cause more hype for the joker. cause the Joker is the gold. and do you wanna go right to the top. Then back down for the 3rd film?

[Keyser Soze]

I think the anticipation is already reaching fever point - The Joker has to be in the next part, or fans will feel cheated, especially after the teaser at the end of Begins.

But I don't see part 3 being a step down. I think that The Joker will show up in part 2, and then will most likely return for Part 3, possibly with Harley Quinn...

[syk]

Does anybody think that Rutger Hauer might have a role as a villain in the next Batman sequal. The reason I say this is that I think he would make a great Joker, just think back to The Hitcher...Also it is just a bit convenient that just after Bruce Wayne Sacks him in BB The joker leaves his calling card at the end. Could bruce Wayne have turned the Joker into who he is by sacking Rutger and pushing him over the edge...literally??? I say this because I notice on a few threads people are saying that Chris Nolan ruined any chance of Batman creating the Joker because of the ending in BB where the Joker is already created, but this would be a clever approach. Maybe Rutger's character got suicidal after being sacked and chucked himself into a vat of acid. After all the original Joker in the comics was created because of his skin being bleached by acid...Does anyone else think this could be a possibility??

[Nivek]

Does anybody think that Rutger Hauer might have a role as a villain in the next Batman sequal. The reason I say this is that I think he would make a great Joker, just think back to The Hitcher...Also it is just a bit convenient that just after Bruce Wayne Sacks him in BB The joker leaves his calling card at the end. Could bruce Wayne have turned the Joker into who he is by sacking Rutger and pushing him over the edge...literally??? I say this because I notice on a few threads people are saying that Chris Nolan ruined any chance of Batman creating the Joker because of the ending in BB where the Joker is already created, but this would be a clever approach. Maybe Rutger's character got suicidal after being sacked and chucked himself into a vat of acid. After all the original Joker in the comics was created because of his skin being bleached by acid...Does anyone else think this could be a possibility??


No...

[spanish39]

yeah, like no here too dude, huh-huh.

[Keyser Soze]

Rutger Hauer is awesome, and was great in Begins. But he won't be The Joker.

[Two-Face]

Does anybody think that Rutger Hauer might have a role as a villain in the next Batman sequal. The reason I say this is that I think he would make a great Joker, just think back to The Hitcher...Also it is just a bit convenient that just after Bruce Wayne Sacks him in BB The joker leaves his calling card at the end. Could bruce Wayne have turned the Joker into who he is by sacking Rutger and pushing him over the edge...literally??? I say this because I notice on a few threads people are saying that Chris Nolan ruined any chance of Batman creating the Joker because of the ending in BB where the Joker is already created, but this would be a clever approach. Maybe Rutger's character got suicidal after being sacked and chucked himself into a vat of acid. After all the original Joker in the comics was created because of his skin being bleached by acid...Does anyone else think this could be a possibility??

1. Too old for Joker.

2. Never happen.

3. Unless you want to destroy Batman Begins franchise.

4. He was great in Begins.

[Kritish]

NO CAMPY !


The Joker should be pure evil, a total sadist . The only person that would find his jokes funny is himself.


And he should look something like this.



http://mindtrick.net/pix/batman-newjoker.jpg



http://mindtrick.net/pix/batman-newjoker.jpg

[Two-Face]

I'm not a fan of Joker having long hair. :down:

[Karem-Knight]

Here are my choices

1.Paul Bettany
2.Johnny Depp
3.Tim Roth
4.Jake Gyllenhaal
5.Benicho Del Toro
5.

[Mr Sensitive]

Vincent Cassel
Crispin Glover
Justin Theroux
Christopher Ecclestone
Adrien Brody
and maybe Paul Bettany

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 2:05pm @ MON 11/14/05......Out of 134 Votes Total......since 10-09-05


IN CURRENT VOTED ORDER:
Paul Bettany 20_________14.9%
Chris Eccelstone 17______12.7%
Lachy Hulme 12__________9.0%
Vincent Cassell 7_________5.2%
Complete Unknown 4______3.0%
Jake Gyllenhaal 4
Will Arnett 3_____________2.2%
Jason Lee 3
Andy Serkis 3
Justin Theroux 2_________ 1.5%
Robert Carlyle 2
Sam Rockwell 2
Alan Cummings 2

ALL THE NAMES __________0.7%
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1, Zach Braff 1, Walton Goggins 1, Will Friedel 1, Ryan Phillippe 1, Vincent Gallo 1

Michael Wincott, Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Bussy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Ryan Gosling, Michael Emerson, Robert Joy, Simon Baker, Craig Beirko, Bradley Cooper, Stuart Townsand, Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olephant, Luke Goss, James Frain, Ryan Reynolds, Richard E. Grant, Richard Roxburgh, James Marsters, Steve Zhan



THE OLD AND ODD CHOICES:
Crispin Glover 9________________ 6.7%
Tim Roth 8____________________ 6.0%

Adrien Brody 5, Benicio Del Torro 5, Johnny Depp 3, Jim Carrey 2, Sean Penn 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi 1

Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton, Robin Williams, Tim Curry, Brad Dourif, Robert Downey Jr.


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard, Muze, Brian2887, Katsuro, sasquatchs, ghost113, aka_sammym, StorminNorman, Slipknot, Ceb-Man, Antmanx68, Motown Marvel, Lionheart, Jackasscoley 15, That-Guy, Karem-Knight, Mr Sensitive, Quietstorm

[spanish39]

note: this poll will continue for sometimw. I've decided that this is the most important part of gathering names.

As Keyser has already pointed out, (I believe it was Keyser), in one of his post's that Andy Serkis has had little to no buzz latley. Once I put his name on the poll cause I remembered it people started saying he is perfect. This is an example of WHY I did the poll this way. Names keep changing and people come and go, this tally/poll is the ultimate way to keep track of this and in the end it will show who has survived the rollercoaster favoritism that is the time between Batman Begins and Batman Whatever.

So, like I'm saying, this will go up till right past next year or maybe till like 200 or 300 votes total. Remember too, lots of new posters will vote as well as posters who have yet to find this thread. In the end I think we will end up with a poll that will make MOST happy, there will always be someone though. Also in the end the poll will be normal at the top of the page. Remeber though that there will be 'rounds' if you will to narrow people down. Even those with no votes might get a poll all their own so we can pick the top 5 and add them to the final poll so that there are outsiders if you will.

It all sounds complicated but it's actually very easy for me to do this. It's not hard and I don't mind and its all in fun anyways, a guessing game of who will be the Joker up till they make the official call if he even is in the next film. So have fun and keep voting and ask other posters to stick their 2 cents in as well, all voluntary.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm glad you're doing this spanish. The poll we currently have is outdated, and lacking some great candidates. I see your census as giving a much better idea of just what actors people would most like to see as The Joker. Thanks for putting it together.

[MrP3118]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg/425px-JokercolorLG.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg)http://www.filmstew.com/Users/Features/11216/jv_glover.jpg Crispin Glover all the way!!!

[StorminNorman]

...

[StorminNorman]

StorminNorman would you like to take a vote away from someone and add Jake?
1.Paul, 2.Alan, 3.Lachy, 4.Chris, 5.Will



Yea take away Eccelstone

[Katsuro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg/425px-JokercolorLG.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg)http://www.filmstew.com/Users/Features/11216/jv_glover.jpg Crispin Glover all the way!!!

Glover may have the look of Joker, i'll admit that he does, but he just doens't have a voice that would fit The Joker.

[Mr Sensitive]

I don't think it has to be Glover (far from that), but actors can change their voices consistently when required.

[syk]

1. Too old for Joker.

2. Never happen.

3. Unless you want to destroy Batman Begins franchise.

4. He was great in Begins.


O.k...see your point, bad idea.
I really like that photo...the summer 2008 one, that would be one cool, dark joker. More realistic too, probably the kind of thing Nolan would go for with his new approach to the franchise. We need an actor that can pull of homicidal, insane, dark, violent....No frills, no BRIGHT purple suits and BRIGHT red lips. It would be great if Nolan did something similar to that photo...
As for the Micheal Keaton rumour, that would be too much of a gimmick for Nolan.
Crispin Clover could be good......

[MrP3118]

Glover may have the look of Joker, i'll admit that he does, but he just doens't have a voice that would fit The Joker.

Who really defines the voice of the Joker---Mark Hamil-This not a cartoon ladies and gentlemen, this is a serious joker and sadistic funny joker. I could totally see crispin doing this. Nolan caters to the actors needs but he also shows them a path for what he wants. My first choice was Jim Carrey because I want to see him be a psycho killer. It's all up to interpretation of different people. I respect all opinions but some of these choices are rediculous.

[Steelsheen]

i never realized that Crispin Glover was a fantastic actor until i saw Wilard. being Marty McFly's dad was all i can recall from this guy until i saw that film.

Mark Hamill is always gonna be Joker's voice to me, but for the big screen that face belongs to Crispin Glover :up:

[spanish39]

Thanks Keyser, no problem. I like to keep everyone interested.

Done StorminNorman.

Poll updated.

This is the problem I see with all the people mentioned for the role. 1/2 of them can act like the Joker, and 1/2 of them look like the Joker. Some of them can sound like the Joker and some can't due to accents. No matter how much you can cover up your accent or try talking like an American, you still have an accent. Most people can't pull that off. Off my head only Bale and Goldman can and amazingly they were both in Batman, what are the odds? I've said that before Batman by the way. Anyway, with The Joker, they need to find someone who can do it all and honestly with all the names I don't think it's TRULY there yet, his name is not on the list lol. Eccelstone, looks good as Joker but we all know what he sounds like. Hulme, he can most likley act crazy and has good expresions, but his voice is kinda deep, or not high like Joker. Bettany, can act crazy and kinda looks like Joker, but again he has ana ccent that waht just feel kinda akward. I honsetly don't know who has the Joker voice except Hamil cause thats what I hear when I read ANY comics with Joker. IT's hard to get it out and we will always compare anyone to Hamil, we just have to lear to get past that. Think Caesar Romero for instance maybe.

[terry78]

He doesn't have to sound nuts all the time. Sometimes the Joker goes from high pitched goofy to montone and somber all in one sitting.

[TankerX]

i like the idea of vince vaughn as being the joker
he's got the right look and can do pretty high voices

[Mr Sensitive]

Thanks Keyser, no problem. I like to keep everyone interested.

Done StorminNorman.

Poll updated.

This is the problem I see with all the people mentioned for the role. 1/2 of them can act like the Joker, and 1/2 of them look like the Joker. Some of them can sound like the Joker and some can't due to accents. No matter how much you can cover up your accent or try talking like an American, you still have an accent. Most people can't pull that off. Off my head only Bale and Goldman can and amazingly they were both in Batman, what are the odds? I've said that before Batman by the way. Anyway, with The Joker, they need to find someone who can do it all and honestly with all the names I don't think it's TRULY there yet, his name is not on the list lol. Eccelstone, looks good as Joker but we all know what he sounds like. Hulme, he can most likley act crazy and has good expresions, but his voice is kinda deep, or not high like Joker. Bettany, can act crazy and kinda looks like Joker, but again he has ana ccent that waht just feel kinda akward. I honsetly don't know who has the Joker voice except Hamil cause thats what I hear when I read ANY comics with Joker. IT's hard to get it out and we will always compare anyone to Hamil, we just have to lear to get past that. Think Caesar Romero for instance maybe.

Remember, spanish, that Mel Gibson was Hamlet (and a good one) in the cinema, among a good deal of English actors.

Accent is no problem. Never was. Find a good actor with the face, and he'll work out everything else.

[regwec]

Mel Gibson's Hamlet makes me want to take a liquid laugh into a paper bag.

[Keyser Soze]

Thanks Keyser, no problem. I like to keep everyone interested.

Done StorminNorman.

Poll updated.

This is the problem I see with all the people mentioned for the role. 1/2 of them can act like the Joker, and 1/2 of them look like the Joker. Some of them can sound like the Joker and some can't due to accents. No matter how much you can cover up your accent or try talking like an American, you still have an accent. Most people can't pull that off. Off my head only Bale and Goldman can and amazingly they were both in Batman, what are the odds? I've said that before Batman by the way. Anyway, with The Joker, they need to find someone who can do it all and honestly with all the names I don't think it's TRULY there yet, his name is not on the list lol. Eccelstone, looks good as Joker but we all know what he sounds like. Hulme, he can most likley act crazy and has good expresions, but his voice is kinda deep, or not high like Joker. Bettany, can act crazy and kinda looks like Joker, but again he has ana ccent that waht just feel kinda akward. I honsetly don't know who has the Joker voice except Hamil cause thats what I hear when I read ANY comics with Joker. IT's hard to get it out and we will always compare anyone to Hamil, we just have to lear to get past that. Think Caesar Romero for instance maybe.

See, this is a good point. it's a central paradox, because we can't imagine The Joker having any voice other than Hamill's, but Hamill's Joker voice wouldn't work in a film adaptation. It's a Catch-22.

Out of my shortlist, the ones that I'm most confident could pull off an ideal Joker voice are Tim Roth and Justin Theroux. Tim Roth is excellent at just about any accent (I'd put him up there with Bale and Oldman spanish) and could probably find a good Joker voice.

As for Justin Theroux, it was his voice as much as his look that made me think of "The Joker". Have you seen his appearance on "Alias". He put on an English accent for that, which I thought was pretty good for Joker. I don't know if this makes sense, but if he were to keep the intonation, but remove the English accent from that voice, it could work well as the voice of The Joker.

Rounding out my shortlist, Jake Gyllenhaal may be a bit too high-pitched, while I've never heard Paul Bettany do an American accent. But in the voice category, the dark horse could very well be Benicio Del Toro.

Just think of the car scene in "Sin City". His voice is low and sinister. It has a real darkness to it, while also suggesting a kind of sleazy charisma. Yet, at points, it goes wild and high-pitched, including an unsettlingly high-pitched cackle. I think that, though he isn't the strongest candidate based on looks, when it comes to the voice Benicio Del Toro is the front runner.

[Keyser Soze]

Also, I found some more pics of Justin Theroux. These ones are from "American Psycho". Pretty good, though strangely he looks older in these than he does in the more recent photos i showed earlier:

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap2.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap4.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap8.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/group2.jpg

[dark wolf]

:ghost: The Dead End Joker looks really cool and wouldn't look out of place next to Nolan's version of Scarecrow.

As for casting: John Turturro.

[StorminNorman]

Also, I found some more pics of Justin Theroux. These ones are from "American Psycho". Pretty good, though strangely he looks older in these than he does in the more recent photos i showed earlier:

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap2.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap4.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/ap8.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ap/group2.jpg

You are starting to sell me on Theroux.

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg/425px-JokercolorLG.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/JokercolorLG.jpg)http://www.filmstew.com/Users/Features/11216/jv_glover.jpg Crispin Glover all the way!!!

Im with you man, there is no other! He have the face, he have the talent, He is PERFECT

[Steelsheen]

Also, I found some more pics of Justin Theroux. These ones are from "American Psycho". Pretty good, though strangely he looks older in these than he does in the more recent photos i showed earlier:
botox? :p

is that the guy Bateman does coke with? i havent seen him in anything except AP, so i'm not sure if this guy has the gravitas to pull of a character as heavy as the Joker.

[Keyser Soze]

You should check out some of his other stuff. I'd highly recommend "Mulholland Dr.", for a start. He's a very diverse actor, and quite surprisingly, has proven to be quite the chameleon in his fim roles. Here's a few more images:

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ca/ca11.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/people.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/vogue.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ca/ca15.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/luomo6.jpg

For more pics you should have a look at www.justintheroux.net. They have a rather interesting pic of Justin Theroux and Crispin Glover impaled on a spike...

[Shamik]

This isn't a great picture to capture the essence of evil that the Joker should maintain, but it gives a glimpse of how sick and twisted he could be. Click on the link. And I'll try to find a better picture to work with. And I'd love to hear some feedback.

http://shamik01.tripod.com/art_work/index.album?i=0&s=1

[regwec]

Well, you have certainly convinced me that Buscemi would be a wonderful Jervis Tetch.

[Shamik]

Not quite what I was going for, but it's a response.

[Mr Sensitive]

Mel Gibson's Hamlet makes me want to take a liquid laugh into a paper bag.

Hee, hee, that was a good one.

[G NISE]

he aint listd as a candidate, dont know why. but everybody knows this guy can get into character, he can become the joker. . . . . . ladies n gentlemen, edward norton.






:up: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/4376eb1c_1705c/bc/norton.jpg?bfVzueDBe0.6tPns

[spanish39]

naa, just about EVERY skinny loud crazy guy has been named who is a good actor, and Eddey boy is one of 'em. No for me, but keep your mind open. I can add him to the old and odd choices though, why don't you vote G Nise?

[Carmine Falcone]

Paul Bettany would make an excellent Joker...

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/ifc_films/gangster_no__1/_group_photos/doug_allen1.jpg

[Brian2887]

I've changed my mind about Joker. I've been saying Jason Lee for a while now, and while I do think he'd be a good Joker, there are better out there. Instead, I went down a couple spots on my top five and came back with this guy:

The new Joker is going to be compared to Jack Nicholson's portrayal, which many deem as flawless. I see Joker as an over-the-top, slightly effeminate, showboating psychopath. Someone with the range to go from light and funny to threatening and evil. Someone with a sick, creepy laugh that can chill the bone even when the character is offscreen. One of the most energetic, charismatic, and underappreciated character actors of our time, and my new choice for the Joker, is Tim Roth (Planet of the Apes, Invincible, The Musketeer, Reservoir Dogs, Rob Roy).
http://www.poster.net/roth-tim/roth-tim-photo-tim-roth-6202182.jpg

http://www.djfl.de/entertainment/stars/t/tim_roth.jpg

http://www.buytattoo.com/images/celeb/Tim%20Roth-tattoo.jpg

[Detective Flass]

Excellent Choice! ^^^^^^^^

[The Chairman]

I'm glad Roth is starting to get some support. Hopefully Nolan will get wind of it and maybe consider him. To be frank I think out of all the actors that have mentioned at one time or another, Roth is the one who I think could match up to Jack's performance.

http://www.schnitt.de/_images/interviews/roth_tim.jpg
http://www.henshinonline.com/images/ef_darkwater_roth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/rothjoker1.jpghttp://www.cosmiccomix.com/news/070905/Joker.jpg

I can't stress Roth enough.

Roth = Joker

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, Tim Roth is great. He's still my dream choice for the role. However, realistically, I think the producers are going to go with someone younger. But ideally, if I could pick any actor in the world to play The Joker, I'd most likely go with Tim Roth.

[Mr Sensitive]

Tim Roth is a really great actor, one of my favourites.

BUT he is a kind of Nicholson's choice, and I'd appreciate if they avoided that, trying to get a slim and tall Joker. Maybe younger, but not necessarily.

[Brian2887]

Roth may be shorter than the comic Joker, but he is certainly no Nicholson. Not at all. While Nicholson was sort of chubby, Roth is thin and athletic. His height shouldn't be an issue, as Joker's demeanor is more imposing than his stature. Roth loses himself in every role, and he really has that over-the-top quality Joker needs.


Not to mention that Roth is good friends with Gary Oldman. I'm sure they'd be willing to work together.

[spanish39]

I could care less for Roth as Joker personaly, I don't really want to see it.

[pieeye]

I could care less for Roth as Joker personaly, I don't really want to see it.

I agree with that sentiment. Hes a good actor, but Im not convinced... and YES I have seen most of the films he has been in including Rob Roy... still not convinced:)


-pieeye

[Mr Sensitive]

Roth may be shorter than the comic Joker, but he is certainly no Nicholson. Not at all. While Nicholson was sort of chubby, Roth is thin and athletic. His height shouldn't be an issue, as Joker's demeanor is more imposing than his stature. Roth loses himself in every role, and he really has that over-the-top quality Joker needs.


Not to mention that Roth is good friends with Gary Oldman. I'm sure they'd be willing to work together.

Oh, I didn't mean precisely "fat" with Nicholson.

The thing is: Roth is an older great actor, not tall enough and not thin enough, but, evidently, far from fat.

My personal choice would be the French actor Vincent Cassel, whom I think perfect for the role, although possibly from the same generation of Roth.

But I would also gladly agree if they hire someone very talented and younger than Cassel; let's say, Keyser's clever and inspired suggestion of Justin Theroux. :joker:

[Keyser Soze]

Thank you, thank you...

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/jj.jpg

[syk]

Hell yeh, Roth all the way!
But...Back to my Rutger Hauer thing, a work colligue of mine thinks he has a source to prove that theory.
I'll see if I can find out what his source is, but for the record I have to say that even I don't really believe that one any more...just hear say I think?

[regwec]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/jj.jpg
That's a very cool concept- though I'd prefer it without Crispin Glover.

[Robin91939]

I havn't heard this guys name very many times, then I look at the top of this page, and he's in the poll.

But what would you guys think of John Turturro.

He was in: Rounders, Secret Window, Mr. Deeds (the sneaky butler), and O Brother Where art thou, and many other movies.

He's older, but looks a lot younger than he is, he's a physical match for the Joker, he is a very good character actor, and isn't very reconizable or famous.


Pro's:
His acting ability
His Physical appearance
He is a relative unknown, who has a boatload of expierience and ability

Con's:
Age
Brooklyn Accent

http://www.celebwelove.com/John_Turturro/John_Turturro.jpg
http://www.cinemaclock.com/images/people-147-johnturturro.jpg
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/apr/jturturro_150x207.jpg
http://img.stopklatka.pl/filmowcy/00100/00141/0.jpg
http://www.detnews.com/pix/2001/05/18/e03luzhin.gif

-R

[Keyser Soze]

John Turturro is a great actor - I love his work with the Coen Brothers. But I think he's too old for The Joker.

[Brian2887]

I don't think Joker is a part that age matters much in... As long as he's not noticeably old and wrinkly, ala Jack, we're gonna be fine.

[StorminNorman]

That's a very cool concept- though I'd prefer it without Crispin Glover.


Exactly

[spanish39]

Well Tutoro looks older than Bale so it wont work for me. If the actor who plays Joker does not look close to Bale's age then I will not be fine with it. I need a Joker this tiome around who is between like 268 or 28 - 35. Any older than 35 and your pushing it, hell, 35 may be too old lol. It's being picky but I think we ALL deserve to be able to be picky when it comes down to this, the Joker, especially after Jack.

[Robin91939]

Well Tutoro looks older than Bale so it wont work for me. If the actor who plays Joker does not look close to Bale's age then I will not be fine with it. I need a Joker this tiome around who is between like 268 or 28 - 35. Any older than 35 and your pushing it, hell, 35 may be too old lol. It's being picky but I think we ALL deserve to be able to be picky when it comes down to this, the Joker, especially after Jack.
I deffinetly agree.

I just thought that maybe he'd be able to pull it off, with make up and still look around Bales age. Not like when Jack LOOKED to be in his late 40's- early 50's in Batman.

-R

[The Joker™]

No candidate above is fit for the Joker as far as the Joker is concerned.

[mopho]

what do u think of ben foster? he is in x men now as angel but i dont think hes angel i think he is the joker if u saw hostage ull see the joker without lip

[The Joker™]

Ben Foster is a very good young actor.

Him being Angel omits me from making a comment.;)

[CFE]

Crispin Glover is my choice...

CFE

[Saph]

I don't understand how age is a problem. This is HOLLYWOOD. Actors never look as old as they are. For example, Crispin looks nowhere near his forties. Same with Eccleston.

[The Top Hat]

I wasn't sure about who should play the joker until today.

I think it should be David Tennant.

[regwec]

David Tennant is a good actor, with quite suitable features for the role. He is very short, however, and I have never heard him use an American accent.

[neobido9999]

David tennant intersting idea

[Bathead]

Richard Widmark (heh)

[Aquaman]

I, King of Atlantis, would like to see Christopher Eccleson as The Joker. This vote counts for millions of Atlanteans, for I am their KING!

- Aquaman, King of Atlantis

[Keyser Soze]

So are Crispin Glover and Justin theroux being chucked on the reject pile?

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ca/ca17.jpg

LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. The more I think about it, the more I'm liking Justin Theroux as a dark-horse candidate.

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ca/ca10.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/luomo4.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/bust2.jpg

And some may not think his features are angular enough for The Joker. But as this pic shows, he has a real ability as a chameleon:

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/zoo/evildj4.jpg

[M.O.Steel]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/jj.jpg

I really like this, except for the pictures in the background of batman and joker, could u remove those and make the poster as is. and also without "the joker" written on teh bottom. I love teh masks and teh card.

[CFE]

Trailing slightly off topic, I think a perfect template for how the Joker should be handled is none other than Bizarre Death Metal God, Iggy Pop:

http://www.iggy-pop.com/photos/original-stooges01.jpg
Iggy Pop (circa 1973)

http://www.ratw.com/issues/11/iggy.jpg
Iggy Pop (circa 1999)

http://www.iggy-pop.com/photos/sol7.jpg
Iggy Pop (circa 2001)

For those who don't know (for shame) Iggy Pop was the front man for the rock band The Stooges (1967-74); his on-stage antics (including self-mutilation) and raw sound made him a hero for punk rockers a decade later.

CFE

[Robin91939]

LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. The more I think about it, the more I'm liking Justin Theroux as a dark-horse candidate.

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/ca/ca10.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/luomo4.jpg

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/mags/bust2.jpg

And some may not think his features are angular enough for The Joker. But as this pic shows, he has a real ability as a chameleon:

http://www.justintheroux.net/photos/zoo/evildj4.jpg
WOW


I never thought of him...I'd like him as the Joker.

The look is uncanny!

-R

[drastic_quench]

I'd hardly classify Iggy Pop as "Death Metal". He's the Grandfather of Punk.

[Pablo Parker]

Just a thought:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/pablo_vara/jcarrell.jpg
steve carell

he kinda has the looks for joker and well... i like the guy. And could be interesting to see him doing something "serious" for once.

[The Chairman]

Just a thought:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/pablo_vara/jcarrell.jpg
steve carell

he kinda has the looks for joker and well... i like the guy. And could be interesting to see him doing something "serious" for once.

WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I love Steve Carell, but not for Joker.

[Keyser Soze]

http://www.iggy-pop.com/photos/original-stooges01.jpg
Iggy Pop (circa 1973)


Nice tights. :p :up:

[Pablo Parker]

well... it was just an idea...

[antmanx68]

Alan Cumming. The guy has the look and build. He's animated as all hell and has a ton of Range. I think that whoever plays Joker needs a huge bag of tricks to draw from dramatically speaking and i think this guy does.

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/spykids_cummings-thumb.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0401/23/mask.jpg

http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/show/2005/04/14reefer.jpg

not to mention he seems like kind of a loony irl.

[Black Panther]

my choices are.

Paul Bettany
Crispin Glover
Vincent Cassel
Lachy Hulme

but Bettany all the way :joker:

[Two-Face]

Just a thought:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/pablo_vara/jcarrell.jpg
steve carell

he kinda has the looks for joker and well... i like the guy. And could be interesting to see him doing something "serious" for once.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StorminNorman]

Just a thought:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/pablo_vara/jcarrell.jpg
steve carell

he kinda has the looks for joker and well... i like the guy. And could be interesting to see him doing something "serious" for once.

No way in hell.

[Keyser Soze]

I like Steve Carell, and I respect the fact that he's the only actor to publicly say he wants the part. But I don't think a comedian should play The Joker. Because then there's kind of an expectation that he's going to be funny, which I'd like to see this Joker move away from.

[Two-Face]

I like Steve Carell, and I respect the fact that he's the only actor to publicly say he wants the part. But I don't think a comedian should play The Joker. Because then there's kind of an expectation that he's going to be funny, which I'd like to see this Joker move away from.

When did he say he wanted the part? I never read he said that.

[Alexia Dark]

Alan Cumming. The guy has the look and build. He's animated as all hell and has a ton of Range. I think that whoever plays Joker needs a huge bag of tricks to draw from dramatically speaking and i think this guy does.

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/spykids_cummings-thumb.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0401/23/mask.jpg

http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/show/2005/04/14reefer.jpg

not to mention he seems like kind of a loony irl.

Perhaps if he hadn't already been Nightcrawler. He's weird-creepy, but I can't see him playing someone cruel and evil like the Joker.

[Keyser Soze]

When did he say he wanted the part? I never read he said that.

In an interview with Empire, he talked about how he'd love to play The Joker in the next Batman film, even if he has to fight off Sean Penn.

[Two-Face]

In an interview with Empire, he talked about how he'd love to play The Joker in the next Batman film, even if he has to fight off Sean Penn.

I hope Nolan wopuldn't cast him as Joker.

[Renegade-agent]

I'd have to say for me it's between-Christopher Eccleston,Crispin glover and Lachy Hulme,they are all very solid choices for the Joker.

Man I can't wait for this movie to come out.

[neobido9999]

Funny how these thinks link together, i've got a brand new favourite for the Joker. Remember how Ecclestone was mentioned for Scarecrow, and his 28 days later co-star got the part? Well, having him as the Crouch in Goblet of fire (good film, also staring Mr Oldman) i can honestly say David Tennant would be an uber choice. As good a choice as Bettany, but with more pyscho to him, he's an evil Clive Owen in term of looks:

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2005/4/2/000D2BB9-B467-1260-A3CD80C328EC0000.jpg

http://www.shillpages.com/dw/tennad07.jpg

[dkbatman06]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SUGGEST TENNANT! Awesome! I recently saw Goblet of Fire, and man, was he CREEPY as Barty Crouch Jr.

http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/data/media/43/bartycrouchjr.jpg

[neobido9999]

great minds think alike!

[neobido9999]

got to imdb and see what the name of his first show was.......

coincidence, i think not

[The Last Meatbag]

He has good joker teeth as well

[dkbatman06]

Whoa.. Taking Over the Asylum... Yep, that sounds like a Joker to me heheh...

[Slipping_Halo]

Why isn't anybody talking about Vincent Gallo? Did I miss something?

Watch Buffalo '66 and see what a dead ringer he is for the part. I know there was discussion about him in the past but it's impossible for me to find anything with all these merges. Anyway, check him out!

http://www.nndb.com/people/451/000026373/vincent-gallo.jpg

[The Last Meatbag]

Vincent Gallo definately is Joker-esque in the looks department

[mopho]

forget your choices if u would be nola who would u chosse? i think he would choose tim roth or crispin glover or paul bettany even they are not my choices if i would be nola i woul chosse any of them what do u think? furget ur choices think as u are christopher

[illmatikk]

another bettany manip ive done...
before:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/illmatikk/029.jpg
after:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/illmatikk/pb_gun_joke.jpg

[Mr Sensitive]

Gallo would be a good choice: he would prevent the "funny" Joker, and would no doubt make him more, let us say, intense.

[Keyser Soze]

another bettany manip ive done...
before:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/illmatikk/029.jpg
after:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/illmatikk/pb_gun_joke.jpg

Excellent manip. A lot of new names have been mentioned, but Paul Bettany is still one of the strongest candidates.

[Keyser Soze]

Here's the latest update on Lachy Hulme from www.batman-on-film.com:

New op-ed, Hulme talks Joker
Author: Jett
Monday, November 28, 2005 - 9:43 AM CENTRAL TIME: A new op-ed has been posted - finally. Hey, it was a holiday weekend! CLICK HERE to read...
I received a report from "down under" over the weekend from a chap who said that he worked on one of Lachy Hulme's recent flicks. Here's a bit of his report:

"[While on the set], my friend to asked him about being The Joker. 5 minutes later, my friend returns with an autograph, he told me that he asked Lachy if he was going to play The Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel. Lachy laughs, and then replies 'What do you think?' My friend asks ,'Well are you?' Lachy says, 'I've been in talks, but the outlook is not good.'"

"About an hour later during the 15 minute break for cast and crew, my friend is again talking to Lachy outside the location set...I walk up to my friend, he speaks up and introduces me to to Lachy - stating that I'm huge Batman fan and that I think he should play the The Joker. Lachy smiles and laughs, and shakes my hand. I tell him he looks just like The Joker, and he says, 'That's what they keep telling me.' he had stated (after we asked) that he is going to LA after the next few weeks to talk Batman (or should I say Joker). I had asked him if he had seen any of the mock up pics that people have posted on the Net and he said, 'No, I'm afraid to!'

"I told him that some of the pics are really great and that people have gone to a lot of trouble doing them. I told him there are a lot of people who are really behind him getting this role. He said, 'Yeah, that's why I'm afraid to go onto these web sites because I would have to reply to all those people with thank you letters because they're the ones getting me this far. He then he got a phone call and had to leave."

Whew! OK, that's the story - allegedly - straight from Mr. Hulme's mouth. In talks, but it doesn't look good. Take it for what you will, and perhaps with a bit of salt.

[Slipping_Halo]

Vincent Gallo definately is Joker-esque in the looks department

It's not just looks, either. He could totally nail that psychotic cackle. Look at those icy blue eyes. They scream Joker to me.

[Keyser Soze]

I can't say I'm much of a fan of Vincent Gallo. His acting style comes across as rather false.

[Two-Face]

Here's the latest update on Lachy Hulme from www.batman-on-film.com:

New op-ed, Hulme talks Joker
Author: Jett
Monday, November 28, 2005 - 9:43 AM CENTRAL TIME: A new op-ed has been posted - finally. Hey, it was a holiday weekend! CLICK HERE to read...
I received a report from "down under" over the weekend from a chap who said that he worked on one of Lachy Hulme's recent flicks. Here's a bit of his report:

"[While on the set], my friend to asked him about being The Joker. 5 minutes later, my friend returns with an autograph, he told me that he asked Lachy if he was going to play The Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel. Lachy laughs, and then replies 'What do you think?' My friend asks ,'Well are you?' Lachy says, 'I've been in talks, but the outlook is not good.'"

"About an hour later during the 15 minute break for cast and crew, my friend is again talking to Lachy outside the location set...I walk up to my friend, he speaks up and introduces me to to Lachy - stating that I'm huge Batman fan and that I think he should play the The Joker. Lachy smiles and laughs, and shakes my hand. I tell him he looks just like The Joker, and he says, 'That's what they keep telling me.' he had stated (after we asked) that he is going to LA after the next few weeks to talk Batman (or should I say Joker). I had asked him if he had seen any of the mock up pics that people have posted on the Net and he said, 'No, I'm afraid to!'

"I told him that some of the pics are really great and that people have gone to a lot of trouble doing them. I told him there are a lot of people who are really behind him getting this role. He said, 'Yeah, that's why I'm afraid to go onto these web sites because I would have to reply to all those people with thank you letters because they're the ones getting me this far. He then he got a phone call and had to leave."

Whew! OK, that's the story - allegedly - straight from Mr. Hulme's mouth. In talks, but it doesn't look good. Take it for what you will, and perhaps with a bit of salt.

Thanks for posting this, maybe Paul Beattany (sp?) got the role as Joker??

[Keyser Soze]

If this rumour is true, it should be interesting to see how it develops.

And Two-Face, it's Paul Bettany. :)

[Gamma Warrior]

Michael Wincott should be the Joker.He can do Creepy and sadistic ala the Crow.And Brittney Murphey as Harley quinn

[StorminNorman]

It's not just looks, either. He could totally nail that psychotic cackle. Look at those icy blue eyes. They scream Joker to me.

I agree - many praise his performance in GOF - I thought it was all a bit over done.

[spanish39]

HALO, we have talked about Gallo, just not latley. Hell Gallo was one of early (EARLY) favorites.

KEYSER, thanks for posting that. See, this is what happened to Bale. He was an internet favorite for the most part and he won Nolan over, now Hulme is getting closer in the same fashion. He is right about the people on-line being the main help in his push for the role. places like this especially because of how popular SHH! is. Doing stuff like this poll make a snigit of difference sometime, sometims not also lol. But say we ALL say Hulme for Joker and repeat a million times and all place it in out sigs, that would make noise obviously, ala Bale Damnit!. Despite a not so good outlook, I still think he has a great shot. If the report is accurate then it's obvious he is not keeping his hopes up to get it, which probably means he REALLY wants it. I think it's great that someone finally got to him about "THE QUESTION". ? Again if the report is accurate then I guess either way we could possably hear some noise about Joker on-line soon, some progress even if it is little. I wish he would get on-line and see MY manip lol, JETT should send it to him for *****z & giggles.

[spanish39]

SO FAR......as of 8:00pm @ MON 11/28/05......Out of 138 Votes Total......since 10-09-05

IN CURRENT VOTED ORDER:
Paul Bettany 21_________15.2%
Chris Eccelstone 17______12.3%
Lachy Hulme 13__________9.4%
Vincent Cassell 8_________5.8%
Complete Unknown 4______2.9%
Jake Gyllenhaal 4
Will Arnett 3_____________2.2%
Jason Lee 3
Andy Serkis 3
Justin Theroux 2_________ 1.4%
Robert Carlyle 2
Sam Rockwell 2
Alan Cummings 2

ALL THE NAMES __________0.7%
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1, Zach Braff 1, Walton Goggins 1, Will Friedel 1, Ryan Phillippe 1, Vincent Gallo 1

Michael Wincott, Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Bussy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Ryan Gosling, Michael Emerson, Robert Joy, Simon Baker, Craig Beirko, Bradley Cooper, Stuart Townsand, Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olephant, Luke Goss, James Frain, Ryan Reynolds, Richard E. Grant, Richard Roxburgh, James Marsters, Steve Zhan



THE OLD AND ODD CHOICES:
Crispin Glover 10_______________ 7.2%
Tim Roth 8____________________ 5.8%

Adrien Brody 5, Benicio Del Torro 5, Johnny Depp 3, Jim Carrey 2, Sean Penn 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi 1

Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton, Robin Williams, Tim Curry, Brad Dourif, Robert Downey Jr.


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard, Muze, Brian2887, Katsuro, sasquatchs, ghost113, aka_sammym, StorminNorman, Slipknot, Ceb-Man, Antmanx68, Motown Marvel, Lionheart, Jackasscoley 15, That-Guy, Karem-Knight, Mr Sensitive, Quietstorm, Darkness89

[Axl Van Sixx]

I like Steve Carell, and I respect the fact that he's the only actor to publicly say he wants the part. But I don't think a comedian should play The Joker. Because then there's kind of an expectation that he's going to be funny, which I'd like to see this Joker move away from.

Well, I think regardless of whether or not a comedian plays him, the Joker HAS to be funny. Even if he's presented as intense and psychotic, he still has to be hilarious - he IS the Joker, after all. Just look at either the animated series or Jack Nicholson in Batman '89...he's dark AND funny. Let's be honest, even if the villains in Batman Begins were okay, the Joker is Batman's ultimate villain partly because of the utter contrast. Batman is dark and humourless, and yet a force for good; while the Joker is all about the humour, and yet he's evil and cruel. It's a fascinating dichotomy, and so even if you want to see a cruel Joker in this one, he still has to be funny.

I think that Wikipedia put it best for what I want the Joker to be like in this movie - "Charles Manson with a clown's face and a psychotic sense of humour."

[Mr Sensitive]

He is not precisely funny.

But one can safely call that sense of humour, I suppose.

What should be his humour in the movie is best represented by Moore's The Killing Joke and Morrison's Arkham Asylum. :joker:

[spanish39]

Lets just agree ona black comic Joker, and by that I mean A Joker who is very serious and pissed but at the same time he can make a joke about anything that he finds funny at the moment and he is funny about it just not like rolling down pissing yourself funny ya know. Black comedy, with pieces of gags (buzzer, flower, etc..) and bits of smart ass. I always found that Joker was at his funniest when he is torturing people or killing them, or he just got done bossing someone around or killing them and he finds enough humor in it to make himself laugh. The only other person he cared to have laugh was Batman besides himself and that is all part of it cause it hardly ever happened. He never cared if his Jokes where funny, just that he laughed.

He didn't sit there and tell jokes or knock off one liners, he based hi humor off whatever was happening, situational comedy.

[regwec]

Lets just agree ona black comic Joker, and by that I mean A Joker who is very serious and pissed but at the same time he can make a joke about anything that he finds funny
But that's not The Joker at all. The whole point of the character is his total frivolity with everything up to and including life and death. He never takes anything seriously as such, though he sometimes gets moody.

[Slipping_Halo]

He's supposed to be completely psychotic, unpredictable, spontanious and erratic. He's supposed to be the complete contrast to Batman's methodical, pragmatic approach. Batman is dead serious and has a goal while Joker is morbidly humorous and laughs at death along with everything else. He's not supposed to make any sense, which is what makes him Batman's perfect enemy. Batman can't count on logic to defeat him because Joker is the face of completely unfathomable, illogical and senseless evil. There's no rhyme or reason to him, that's the greatest part about him.

The stark contrast between them is something that I, if I were Nolan, would want to explore because that's the very foundation of the Batman/Joker relationship.

[Bullseye]

It will be interesting to see how The Joker will turn out in the next film. The Joker is psychotic, crazy and has no fear; I certainly hope it's different from Batman 1989 Joker.

[Weadazoid]

SO FAR......as of 8:00pm @ MON 11/28/05......Out of 138 Votes Total......since 10-09-05

IN CURRENT VOTED ORDER:
Paul Bettany 21_________15.2%
Chris Eccelstone 17______12.3%
Lachy Hulme 13__________9.4%
Vincent Cassell 8_________5.8%
Complete Unknown 4______2.9%
Jake Gyllenhaal 4
Will Arnett 3_____________2.2%
Jason Lee 3
Andy Serkis 3
Justin Theroux 2_________ 1.4%
Robert Carlyle 2
Sam Rockwell 2
Alan Cummings 2

ALL THE NAMES __________0.7%
Paul Sarsgaard 1, Seth Myers 1, Rhys Ifans 1, Nick Stahl 1, Steve Carrell 1, Ewen Bremner 1, Bill Mosley 1, Noah Taylor 1, Zach Braff 1, Walton Goggins 1, Will Friedel 1, Ryan Phillippe 1, Vincent Gallo 1

Michael Wincott, Toby Stephens, Michael McKidd, Jake Bussy, Maichael Massee, Mathew Lillard, Ryan Gosling, Michael Emerson, Robert Joy, Simon Baker, Craig Beirko, Bradley Cooper, Stuart Townsand, Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olephant, Luke Goss, James Frain, Ryan Reynolds, Richard E. Grant, Richard Roxburgh, James Marsters, Steve Zhan



THE OLD AND ODD CHOICES:
Crispin Glover 10_______________ 7.2%
Tim Roth 8____________________ 5.8%

Adrien Brody 5, Benicio Del Torro 5, Johnny Depp 3, Jim Carrey 2, Sean Penn 1, Jude Law 1, Steve Busemi 1

Ray Liotta, Marilyn Manson, Michael Keaton, Robin Williams, Tim Curry, Brad Dourif, Robert Downey Jr.


PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED ALREADY:
Spanish39, ANTHONYNASTI, Muze, Joker.tm, illmatikk, thechubbysaint, Keyser Soze, regwec, Detective Flass, Two-Face, dogsgotlipstick, Ed_Extrodinaire, DavidTyler, The Only Woj, Dark Knight88, Pieeye, The Question, Henri DuCard, Muze, Brian2887, Katsuro, sasquatchs, ghost113, aka_sammym, StorminNorman, Slipknot, Ceb-Man, Antmanx68, Motown Marvel, Lionheart, Jackasscoley 15, That-Guy, Karem-Knight, Mr Sensitive, Quietstorm, Darkness89

















I Still don't see Sean Penn on that list, and as far as I am conearned he would be the best possible choice.

With Nolan Directing, come on it is possible he has worked with some great actors.

Even though this would be a bigger production Penn may be enticed by an offer

I know I am not the only one who sees the ptoencial

[regwec]

Spanish has lumped Penn into the "old and odd" category. He has one vote.

[Two-Face]

I Still don't see Sean Penn on that list, and as far as I am conearned he would be the best possible choice.

With Nolan Directing, come on it is possible he has worked with some great actors.

Even though this would be a bigger production Penn may be enticed by an offer

I know I am not the only one who sees the ptoencial

Penn wouldn't do it since he's friends with Jack Nicholson and he's too old for Joker when WB & Nolan are looking younger Joker to match Christian Bele's Batman.

[Keyser Soze]

I think spanish39 has a good point about The Joker's attitude. One of the things I loved about "The Man Who Laughs" was that The Joker was presented as an angry, bitter individual filled with nothing but hate. Just look at the art - the mouth is always smiling, but the eyes are dead, cold. I'd like to see a Joker like that on-screen.

[spanish39]

now that sounds good Keyser, nice description there.

[Axl Van Sixx]

But that's not The Joker at all. The whole point of the character is his total frivolity with everything up to and including life and death. He never takes anything seriously as such, though he sometimes gets moody.

EXACTLY. You just nailed down the Joker perfectly. What some of you other guys aren't understanding is that the Joker can be dark, but that darkness doesn't stem from the usual sources - being dour, angry, vengeful, or any of that. The Joker puts his own unique spin on dark characterization by being completely lighthearted...but doing extremely evil things. That's the whole point. He's insane.

Black comedy is when you laugh at serious situations. That's exactly what the Joker does - commit heinous crimes and look at them as a slapstick comedy routine. He has to be funny, because it makes the viewer feel a little uncomfortable laughing with him. Besides that, he serves as comic relief from the dark, humourless Batman. The Joker is the Batman villain we most love to hate.

[Slipping_Halo]

Now you guys are talking!

[Nivek]

The more manip's I see of Bettany, the more I wonder about the people who think he'd be great for the part. The guy looks nothing like the character unless he is heavily manipulated. Same goes for Sean Penn. For all the other people mentioned, even a Steve Carell, I can see a bit of the Joker, but those two? I just dont get it, I dont know what you see in them.

[Brian2887]

The more manip's I see of Bettany, the more I wonder about the people who think he'd be great for the part. The guy looks nothing like the character unless he is heavily manipulated. Same goes for Sean Penn. For all the other people mentioned, even a Steve Carell, I can see a bit of the Joker, but those two? I just dont get it, I dont know what you see in them.

He has a nice, sick smile. Gangster #1. He has a nice Joker look there.

[regwec]

Except for his nose, there is something in Bettany's face that reminds me of Bruce Timm's Joker.

[Two-Face]

The more manip's I see of Bettany, the more I wonder about the people who think he'd be great for the part. The guy looks nothing like the character unless he is heavily manipulated. Same goes for Sean Penn. For all the other people mentioned, even a Steve Carell, I can see a bit of the Joker, but those two? I just dont get it, I dont know what you see in them.

Does Bale look like Bruce Wayne from the comics? No.

Why don't we let Nolan decide if Bettany can do it or this is why actors have screen test. Who ever Nolan choose actor as Joker and I back Nolan even if he chooses Steve Carell
(sp?):eek: :(

[Saph]

Does Bale look like Bruce Wayne from the comics? No. How doesn't he? He's white, and has black hair. That's Bruce Wayne. It's not Wayne that has the iconic look, it's Batman. Joker is not comparable. As he has been established as skinny, with a wide smile, pointed jaw and nose.

[Two-Face]

How doesn't he? He's white, and has black hair. That's Bruce Wayne. It's not Wayne that has the iconic look, it's Batman. Joker is not comparable. As he has been established as skinny, with a wide smile, pointed jaw and nose.

What I meant to say was Christian Bale doesn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne from the comics he looks great as Bruce/Batman
http://images.comicbookresources.com/features/schreck_brucewayne.jpg

http://www.christophernolan.net/images/batman_photos_bale2.jpg

I think Paul Batteny would be great Joker even tho he doesn't exactly look like Joker from comics.

[spanish39]

I think we me and regwec have a little of each of the Joker down here :up:. I just hope we get something like that this time.

What I find funny is last night as I was reading the latest Batman comic (2 Clayface's, Hush, Alfred) I was watching "Coming Attractions" om E! and they showed a trailer for some new Harrison Ford film. Well first I hear the voice of a British guy who sounds quick and smart and I didn't think anything of it, just got my attention for some reason, I like the villian I gues lol, anyway. I see the guy aftre a second, he has a chubby face and all, but as I watch I say to myself, "Man this guy seems like a he might be a cool pick for Joker." So figured the next day I would look up the film on iMDB and see who he was. Well I din't have to because at the end they said it was Paul Bettany. I just smiled and shook my head and though, "That figures." After I found it to be Bettany I looked at it again and kind of changed my mind. He doesn't look to much like Joker like NIVEK stated. He was chinky (probably for the part I know) but his hair is going slowly already and I don't hink he can do a GREAT American accent, or a Joker one at that. And I for 1 don't want to hear Joker running around speaking British trying to sell weapons to terrorists or something like the rujmor I heard in the past......then I again I remembering hearing CLINT EASTWOOD was going to be the Mayor of Gotham in "Batman Begins" so.... lmao.

[regwec]

Except for his nose, there is something in Bettany's face that reminds me of Bruce Timm's Joker.

I have it. It is Bettany's long, angular face, his sunken eyes and his low brow which gives him the resemblance.
http://www.movieguide.co.nz/images/pics/Paul%20Bettany.jpghttp://nefarious87.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/batman-joker-01w.jpg
As I have said, Bettany does not have The Joker's angular nose, but that is an easy prosthetic to make.

[Keyser Soze]

I think we me and regwec have a little of each of the Joker down here :up:. I just hope we get something like that this time.

What I find funny is last night as I was reading the latest Batman comic (2 Clayface's, Hush, Alfred) I was watching "Coming Attractions" om E! and they showed a trailer for some new Harrison Ford film. Well first I hear the voice of a British guy who sounds quick and smart and I didn't think anything of it, just got my attention for some reason, I like the villian I gues lol, anyway. I see the guy aftre a second, he has a chubby face and all, but as I watch I say to myself, "Man this guy seems like a he might be a cool pick for Joker." So figured the next day I would look up the film on iMDB and see who he was. Well I din't have to because at the end they said it was Paul Bettany. I just smiled and shook my head and though, "That figures." After I found it to be Bettany I looked at it again and kind of changed my mind. He doesn't look to much like Joker like NIVEK stated. He was chinky (probably for the part I know) but his hair is going slowly already and I don't hink he can do a GREAT American accent, or a Joker one at that. And I for 1 don't want to hear Joker running around speaking British trying to sell weapons to terrorists or something like the rujmor I heard in the past......then I again I remembering hearing CLINT EASTWOOD was going to be the Mayor of Gotham in "Batman Begins" so.... lmao.

This reminds me of an interesting story I heard. Apparently, Clint Eastwood had been in talks to play Two-Face in the 1960s Batman TV series. He would have been a news anchor disfigured by a TV set blowing up near his face. Anyway, studio pressure meant the character was dropped, because he was deemed too gruesome for primetime TV.

[spanish39]

damn 60's tv then lmao.

[spanish39]

damn 60's tv then lmao. I'm sure Clint is ok with it now though.

[Gossip Gerty]

Paul Bettany is the man!

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/7622/joker6mz.jpg

[Nightwing]

Lachy Hulme has the right look for Joker.He has the nose too lol,i also think that considering how Joker is a pshyco path.Hulme would nail it down.

It was recently said that he'll be going to L.A. to talk BB2 and Joker.

[Nightwing]

Everytime i look at this picture,it reminds me of Bettany for some reason.

http://artxilla.com/images/ED/batman%20vs%20joker.jpg

[Saph]

Everytime i look at this picture,it reminds me of Bettany for some reason.

http://artxilla.com/images/ED/batman%20vs%20joker.jpg
Reminds me more of Rowan Atkinson. :o

[Nightwing]

Reminds me more of Rowan Atkinson. :o

Really? Odd.

[Mr Sensitive]

For me, Jim Carrey.

[Two-Face]

I hope not!

[regwec]

Everytime i look at this picture,it reminds me of Bettany for some reason.
It's the low brow and elongated face, as I said.

[Nightwing]

It's the low brow and elongated face, as I said.

Agreed.

[antmanx68]

Reminds me more of Rowan Atkinson. :o

cool pic, of the names mentioned it looks more like Jim Carrey. And although there's no way in hell he'd get the part (or even want it or be accepted in it for obvious reasons) he would totally own it.

[Marcus M.]

For acting, I would go with Crispin Glover, but if you go by just looks I'll say Lachy Hulme.

Lachy Hulme as the Joker
http://www.pop.com/movies/1358/board?viewpost=3588692

Vincent cassel as the Joker
http://www.sneakpeektv.com/id300.html

Paul Bettany as the joker
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/websize/Joker%20Bettany.jpg

Crispin Glover as the Joker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/simonpimpernel/c434f3a4.jpg
http://theperm.tetrametrics.com/Images/crispin.jpg

[Poke Alex]

I was watching Crossing Jordan last night, and it occurred to me that Steve Valentine might be a cool Joker.

For that matter, Jerry O'Connell could have made a pretty cool Batman...

[Nivek]

I have it. It is Bettany's long, angular face, his sunken eyes and his low brow which gives him the resemblance.
http://www.movieguide.co.nz/images/pics/Paul%20Bettany.jpghttp://nefarious87.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/batman-joker-01w.jpg
As I have said, Bettany does not have The Joker's angular nose, but that is an easy prosthetic to make.




THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE A "LONG, ANGULER FACE"! Where are you getting that kind of description from? He is not a Bruce Spence, Vincent Price, Micheal Berryman, or Leonard Nimoy! Those guys have "long anguler faces". Bettany, no.

[sasquatchs]

He may not have the exact look but he is unusual looking, and he's easily one of the best actors suggested so far, he has a great range. He's also got a good voice for it.

People are getting too hung up on the look, the performance will be way more important.

[spanish39]

I disapprove of Bettany from here on out because of his face in the new FORD movie, that and his voice and hair. He is a GREATR actor and will probably go on to do great films in the future, but Joker is just not for him at this point.

Also, MAarcus M, how could you pick Crispin Glover on acting? lol

[Dark Knight]

I disapprove of Bettany from here on out because of his face in the new FORD movie, that and his voice and hair. He is a GREATR actor and will probably go on to do great films in the future, but Joker is just not for him at this point.

Also, MAarcus M, how could you pick Crispin Glover on acting? lol



How about Christopher Eccleston then?? Ahhhh.....:up:

[Dark Knight]

I Still don't see Sean Penn on that list, and as far as I am conearned he would be the best possible choice.

With Nolan Directing, come on it is possible he has worked with some great actors.

Even though this would be a bigger production Penn may be enticed by an offer

I know I am not the only one who sees the ptoencial


I also think Sean Penn would be awesome as Joker!

[Mr Sensitive]

Sean Penn is a very great actor.

Having said that, he's not the man for the role.

He is not tall enough, nor thin enough and he is much older than Bale. He would be more or less like Nicholson in 89's Batman: a great and intense actor, but without some of the necessary qualities.

I hope this new Joker is completely different: tall, thin, and possibly an actor not much older than Bale.

They should portray him as unpredictable, cruel, fast and treacherous, and with a great script that can show his evil humour (with touches of deep lucidity) without being funny. He needs ambiguity.

[regwec]

THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE A "LONG, ANGULER FACE"! Where are you getting that kind of description from? He is not a Bruce Spence, Vincent Price, Micheal Berryman, or Leonard Nimoy! Those guys have "long anguler faces". Bettany, no.
Except, of course, that he obviously does.

[Nightwing]

Its recently been said that Sam Rockwell is now in the mix,of playing The Crown Prince of Crime.

[Two-Face]

Sean Penn is too old for the role.

[Nightwing]

Sean Penn is too old for the role.

I agree,but he could pull it off.He's a tremendous actor.

[trustyside-kick]

I definetly think Crispin Glover should be Joker. He has the look especially with that nose of his. Also, he already played a psycho in that one movie where he was like controlling rats or something...this guy can definetly pull it off.

And for ideas sorta on how he should look with the suit and make-up..I really like the way Jim Lee drew The Joker with the clothes, hair, and especially the eyes..those eyes really made The Joker look sadistic; but since that would probably be a bit much for the movie they could do back off a little bit on the eyes.

[Nightwing]

I definetly think Crispin Glover should be Joker. He has the look especially with that nose of his. Also, he already played a psycho in that one movie where he was like controlling rats or something...this guy can definetly pull it off.

And for ideas sorta on how he should look with the suit and make-up..I really like the way Jim Lee drew The Joker with the clothes, hair, and especially the eyes..those eyes really made The Joker look sadistic; but since that would probably be a bit much for the movie they could do back off a little bit on the eyes.

Its to bad Glover is out of the running.