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zman

04-16-2005, 11:45 PM

He's not wacky enough outside of acting? :confused: He's an actor, and a damn good one, I'm sure he could pull it off. In Sin City when Jackie Boy is having the conversation with Dwight in the car. I think he could :D

I saw that movie just two nights ago, and during that scene I thought the exact same thing!! Frankly, any batman fan that have seen this movie would have to agree: he could be a god Joker. Period.

zman

04-16-2005, 11:46 PM

good, god...wichever!

antmanx68

04-17-2005, 12:51 AM

I'm going to disagree. Physically and in terms of acting ability, he'd do well. But you can still hear his accent in his voice, even if barely, and that kind of took me out of Sin City a little and would definitely do the same for Batman.

In Sin City the accent was intentional... he can lose it in a heart beat. He can do virtually any voice (remember usual suspects?). He's not my first choice but If he were cast I would rest easy knowing that Joker would at least be an interesting character with a lot of presense.

hey yo its sean

04-17-2005, 01:21 AM

It wasn't very strong, but I could still hear it, specifically when he was in the hallway before Shellie let him in.

I've seen him in interviews.. There's no accent. :confused:

Gatman

04-17-2005, 05:09 AM

One thing for sure, Benicio Del Toro sure pulled off one helluva laugh (during the Tarantino-directed sequence with Dwight and the dead Rafferty) that screamed "JOKER!".

Daniel_Lioneye

04-17-2005, 03:28 PM

Me and my friends had this exact same conversation after seeing Sin City. His look in that movie was even appropriate, just dye his hair green and put the makeup on him. Of all the actors mentioned for the part so far he's the only one that I can see and hear in my head as The Joker. Whoever they cast I'm sure would be good, but until they make a Batman movie featuring the Joker and cast someone else, Del Toro is the Joker in my eyes. :joker:

Detective Flass

04-17-2005, 06:08 PM

Who was CGI'd in Sky Captain?

Antinicolae

04-17-2005, 06:47 PM

from imdb:

The villain, Dr. Totenkopf, is played by Sir Laurence Olivier, who died in 1989. Kerry Conran achieved this by using CGI-manipulated archive footage of Olivier.

Detective Flass

04-17-2005, 06:49 PM

cool!

CONRAD VEIDT DAMMIT!

Detective Flass

04-17-2005, 06:56 PM

I heard his name brought up over at The No Homer's Club and Adult Swim as a fan fav to play the Joker. Thought I'd bring in a new name to SHH!'s Joker Casting Cult.

He's an over the top british actor who was in Mad Max. He's around 40 something though. Not too bad I suppose, better then Lachy Hulme.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/goesout/mov/d/dungeo.jpg
http://www.agirlwholovesbrucepayne.com/still/p57headshotsmall.jpg
http://mangascans.free.fr/Download/Pics/Perso/Bruce%20Payne.jpg

Two-Face

04-17-2005, 07:17 PM

No :down:

Why don't we cast Homer Simpson as Joker? :rolleyes:

Antinicolae

04-17-2005, 07:22 PM

why does a new thread get started every time someone has an idea for casting the joker? There's plenty of old threads for this.

Detective Flass

04-17-2005, 08:17 PM

Why don't we cast Homer Simpson as Joker? :rolleyes:

I don't know, why don't we?

Matis17

04-17-2005, 08:46 PM

His name is too close to Bruce Wayne. Everyone would get confused and angry.

Wade

04-17-2005, 11:38 PM

I go with Maxwell.

Benicio Del Toro Damnit!

Chomp

04-17-2005, 11:45 PM

I chose Crispin Glover. When he played the role of Willard, he showed he could be comletely insane, he had that arc where one moment he could be calm and collected, then the next he was utterly psychotic...plus his hair looked like it came right out of Killing Joke.

But could he pull the laugh off? I think that would be something he could work on.

General_Grievous

04-18-2005, 12:10 PM

I would like to have Lachy Hulme as the Joker. That would be Sparks from Enter the Matrix, and Matrix Revolutions. Funny as hell, tall, scary face in make up. The only question is could he pull off the evil.

I agree. I think he would be a great choice.

Riven

04-18-2005, 12:24 PM

Lachy Hulme is the worst choice ever.

General_Grievous

04-18-2005, 12:27 PM

How is he?

Riven

04-18-2005, 03:08 PM

RedIsNotBlue

04-18-2005, 03:17 PM

Nobody's seen him act in a decent role and those who have were very underwhelmed. Guy hasn't proven any talent yet, but everyone idolises him (no, a small voice role in a video game does not count). Does not look a whole lot like the Joker. Bottom line, Batman 2 deserves a better choice. Look at the Begins cast and imagine a Lachy Hulme in there. Sad, really.

Watch Let's Get Skase. He looks scarily like the Joker to me. He is in the same age range as Bale...which I think is needed. And nobody's seen him act in a decent role? You feel the same way about Routh playing Superman? He hasn't done jack and I think he will be great in the role.

P. Cushing

04-18-2005, 07:18 PM

It's Dafoe or Weaving for me. And anyone who doubts Weaving can deliver a performance without delving into campy villainy should watch PROOF or THE INTERVIEW.

NOFX

04-19-2005, 02:37 AM

Yea after watching Sin City and I Think Del Toro would make an Awesome Joker. But I think he would make a Better 2face then the joker imo. For some reason everytime I see him smile, he looks like Brad Pitt :o

P. Cushing

04-19-2005, 03:59 AM

I think he'd make a fine Harvey, but not Joker. The Joker should have a more angular face with a more hawkish nose.

CLARKY

04-19-2005, 07:26 AM

^with make-up?

Riven

04-19-2005, 07:39 AM

This isn't specifically about Del Toro, but I really don't like how people always come up with "use make-up or prosthetics" for people who don't look an inch like the Joker to change them into the Joker.

I mean, yeah the actor who will ultimately play him might have SOME prosthetic make-up applied, just like Nicholson, but also like Nicholson, I'd like to be able to distinguish a recognisable human face behind any make-up.

I don't want to be staring at a malleable face-mask. It should be the actor playing him, who is able to use the full range of facial expressions. No huge chin, cheek stuffing and disproportionate nose jobs. Very subtle enhancements, yes. But the actor should look like him to some extent before any make-up comes on.

As for Benicio Del Toro, there is nothing wrong with that choice, but he's not a favorite of mine. I think other people are better suited, definitely in looks and character-wise.

Alfie Luke

04-19-2005, 07:49 AM

I don't think he would make a good Joker at all...
Unlike what some of you said earlier, he's NOT good for the part physically.

The Joker should be tall and SKINNY... Del Toro is quite tall ( I heard 6' 4'' ), but he's just not the kinda guy that can be skinny... it just doesn't seem to go well with his face.

Speaking of face, his doesn't scream 'Joker' to me at all... there's too much of a sad, old look in his stare, even in Sin City. Plus, I think he's mexican or something? It doesn't seem to fit the Joker ( I think he needs to be American looking or something... if that means anything )

Detective Flass

04-19-2005, 09:42 AM

Confused and Angry, huh?

I think you're thinking about the small .034% of the viewers that are mentally handicapped.

General_Grievous

04-19-2005, 09:57 AM

I say that unknown actors should be given a chance, I thought that lots of people doubted Christian Bale when he was first announced.

Riven

04-19-2005, 10:03 AM

I say that unknown actors should be given a chance, I thought that lots of people doubted Christian Bale when he was first announced.
Bale was by far the fan favorite and even if he wasn't, Bale has a large and impressive body of work behind him.

Lachy Hulme is nobody. I haven't seen that Skase movie, but from people who've seen it that I trust I hear it's pretty awful. Until Hulme proves himself in a decent role, I'm saying no.

RedIsNotBlue

04-19-2005, 11:21 AM

Bale was by far the fan favorite and even if he wasn't, Bale has a large and impressive body of work behind him.

Lachy Hulme is nobody. I haven't seen that Skase movie, but from people who've seen it that I trust I hear it's pretty awful. Until Hulme proves himself in a decent role, I'm saying no.

Reply to my post.

Riven

04-19-2005, 01:28 PM

Watch Let's Get Skase. He looks scarily like the Joker to me. He is in the same age range as Bale...which I think is needed. And nobody's seen him act in a decent role? You feel the same way about Routh playing Superman? He hasn't done jack and I think he will be great in the role.
Age range is a minor point to me. The actor playing the Joker could be any age from 30 to 45. That is still young by today's standards.

As for Routh, I've never seen him in anything either. And that does indeed make make me weary of him in the role of Superman. The BIG difference between Routh and Hulme is that Routh was apprantly good enough to convince Bryan Singer. That doesn't pull me completely in the Routh camp, I still have major reservations, but it at least gives me some indication that he's suited for the role. The moment Christopher Nolan casts Hulme, I'll start taking him seriously in consideration. Until then (and that might be never), I'm not supporting the guy.

haggis

04-20-2005, 01:14 AM

ONly if Johnny Depp plays the Riddler and they do a lot of Mescaline and uppers and downers and the like. Plus can't you hear Depp say.

We can't stop here - this is bat country! - The Duke

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 08:18 AM

I go with Maxwell.

Benicio Del Toro Damnit!

I just can't see Benicio Del Toro as The Joker. :(

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 10:54 AM

I'm gonna throw another name into the bag. How about Steve Carrell for The Joker. He's tall, and he's thin. He could play the pre Red Hood struggling comic role good and he's look good in the make up. He's funny, yet he can be a very dramatic actor. He now stars on "The Office (US)"

Here are some pics:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/40year/carrell.jpg
http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/news/atores/steve_carrell.jpg
http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/shows/d/dailyshow/dailyshow_stevecarrell_001.jpg

Hogan

04-20-2005, 10:55 AM

Ummmm... not really seeing it...

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 11:00 AM

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/news/images/071404_carrell.jpg
http://www.jpbenterprise.com/Pictures/D0108-JokerClassDCMaqB.jpg

Matis17

04-20-2005, 11:08 AM

He's not that thin and according to imdb is actually pretty damn short (5'8").

Hogan

04-20-2005, 11:12 AM

He's not that thin and according to imdb is actually pretty damn short (5'8").

That and he doesn't really have the sense of evil that the Joker should have. Yeah the guy is funny, but he comes off more as a doofus or idiot than a sadistic bastard.

Riven

04-20-2005, 11:15 AM

Yeah, he's definitely not the right type.

HarleyLover

04-20-2005, 02:44 PM

What's he been in that was serious? I'm curious, cause I think he's hilarious. I don't know about the Joker, though.

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 05:00 PM

I saw this guy on Revelations. He plays Satanic Cult leader Isaiah Haden, he murdered a little girl on the show. He's not a pretty actor, not a leading man. But who said The Joker had to be some Jude Law type? I think he's a great choice. I suggest you watch Revelations tonight to see his acting skills.

http://www.afromaster.com/trash-can/pict/michaelmasse.jpg

He's crazy as **** and he's my new second choice for The Joker, behind Tim Roth. ;)

Two-Face

04-20-2005, 05:08 PM

You got 5 or 6 threads on the same thing with different actors for Joker

Why don't you keep them in one thread :) :batman:

Antinicolae

04-20-2005, 05:16 PM

You got 5 or 6 threads on the same thing with different actors for Joker

Why don't you keep them in one thread :) :batman:

Exactly what I was going to say.

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 05:22 PM

Well it's too late now! If I created a thread for all the choices I posted then people are gonna piss and moan that I crarted another casting thread. I can't win!

Maxwell Smart

04-20-2005, 05:42 PM

Wonder why..^

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 05:46 PM

Ok, back on the subject guys.

SolidRoar

04-20-2005, 06:36 PM

Funny, I thought of him as Two-Face for a second. He wouldn't be a bad Joker if they gave him a nose job.

Riven

04-20-2005, 07:31 PM

Looks wise he's allright, I dunno about his acting skill though.

Only seen him in a small part in Lost Highway and one episode of the X-Files...

Detective Flass

04-20-2005, 07:51 PM

From what I've seen on Revelations, He's a pretty damn good actor. ;)

spdrknight

04-20-2005, 07:53 PM

I don't think the importance of a actor being funny or not should be taken much into account when it comes to casting the Joker. The fact that character can play a evil, intelligent, murderious pyscopath is what should be looked at. The Joker is not suppose to be funny per-say, he is more crazy. I've seen Steve Carrell and I don't think he could play the Joker for that reason, he is funny though.

darknight7

04-20-2005, 08:21 PM

sorry... no like...

I saw Sin City, and I think DelToro has the look

--dk7

Alfie Luke

04-20-2005, 09:59 PM

Maxwell Smart

04-20-2005, 10:22 PM

Seriously Flass... give this thing a rest.
You clearly are retarded... or just really weird in the head, but not the good kind of weird that some people can be, but the bad one, the one people don't want to be, because that weird is loser-ish.

... but I'm sure you're a good person inside.

I agree with the above statement.

Detective Flass

04-21-2005, 08:49 AM

HarleyLover

04-21-2005, 12:16 PM

He was Funboy, a heroin-addicted, murderous rapist, in The Crow. He's great at playing scum.

Alfie Luke

04-21-2005, 12:28 PM

I think that it's funny that you two wouldn't have the balls to say that to someone on the street if they did the exact thing.

What I find funny is that you think I wouldn't have the balls to say that to someone on the street if they did the exact thing. You suppose too much kid... just give it a rest, it's not worth it.

Maxwell Smart

04-21-2005, 05:39 PM

You're such an e-Thug, Flass.

Takeshi Kovacs

04-21-2005, 05:42 PM

That's possibly the worst idea I've ever hear.

Detective Flass

04-21-2005, 05:43 PM

An electric thug huh?

ComicBookGuyT

04-21-2005, 10:14 PM

If Carell had a little more real acting, other than the Daily Show, I would give him a Thumbs Up. But he doesn't. The man is very funny, but not really a great choice right now. Maybe with more acting, but until then. There are still alot more viable candidates.

Jack Rabbit

04-21-2005, 10:49 PM

He's not a very serious actor at all, is he? He's only done comedy...

Jack Rabbit

04-21-2005, 10:52 PM

Yeha, I was watching Revalations as well, and thinking the same thing...I think he'd be a great Joker, he's got the right facial structure as well.:up:

Jack Rabbit

04-21-2005, 10:57 PM

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/revelations_photos/michael_massee/revelations_horricks.jpg

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/revelations_photos/michael_massee/revelations_drinkwater.jpg

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/revelations_photos/michael_massee/revelations_close.jpg

http://us.tv1.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/revelations_photos/_group_photos/bill_pullman4.jpg

http://inner_mercy.tripod.com/Fun_Boy3.JPG
Him as Funboy.

http://www.badcityblues.com/pics/cast/cmichaelmassee.jpg
SOme more pictures of him.

I can't seem to find any of him smiling.

P. Cushing

04-22-2005, 10:33 AM

To anyone not aware of it:
This is the official Joker thread. The mods have merged all the Joker threads in here. All Joker discussion should take place here and we should let any new Joker threads die. Do not post in any new Joker threads or create any.

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 10:38 AM

Cool. ;)

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 10:51 AM

TIM ROTH ATTACK!!!!!!

http://www.nndb.com/people/597/000023528/roth6-sized.jpg
http://www.cinemamontreal.com/images/people-389-timroth.jpg
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/tim_roth4.jpg
http://www.cinema24.ch/images/casts/roth%20tim.jpg
http://www2.filmweb.no/multimedia/archive/00025/Tim_Roth_i_Berlin_25500f.jpg

P. Cushing

04-22-2005, 11:05 AM

Dafoe for Joker
or Weaving
or Law
or Massee
or Glover

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 11:15 AM

THE SECOND ATTACK!!!

http://www.tim-roth.com/images/us.jpg
http://www.kinomag.ru/pix/actors/actor-48.jpg
http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~sarah2/sub9_SUB_IMAGE.JPG
http://www.ecrannoir.fr/stars/us/images/roth01.jpg

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 11:17 AM

1. Tim Roth
2. Michael Massee
3. Crispin Glover
4. Johnny Depp
5. Jude Law

paranoidboy

04-22-2005, 11:35 AM

Meet Alistair McGowan. He an impressionist here in the UK, and a very good one at that. Although he would never get cast I think he would be brilliant

Killing Joke Pose
http://www.davidtuck.boltblue.net/AliMcg.JPG

http://palatinate.dsu.org.uk/photos/650-page04-1.jpg

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 11:47 AM

Nah...he doesn't look like the Joker. Is he an actor as well?

Two-Face

04-22-2005, 02:44 PM

he's also comedian, I don't think he can pull a dark funny Joker I mean Alistair McGowan is funny he won't able to pull dark side it's a bad choice for Joker.

Detective Flass

04-22-2005, 03:04 PM

That's like casting Steve Carrell as The Joker. :o

P. Cushing

04-22-2005, 08:42 PM

Alistair McGowan would make a good Sherlock Holmes, but he doesn't really look like Joker.

Detective Flass

04-23-2005, 07:37 AM

You changed your name again Oldman = Gordon!?!?!?

Crazy.

Michael Massee was the one who shot Jason Lee on the set of the crow and killed him.
Wasn't his fault though. Some damn stupid crew member loaded the gun.

DOO BEE

04-24-2005, 12:38 AM

Voyeur

04-24-2005, 11:13 AM

Last night I saw Cary Elwes in a TV movie called The Riverman, which is about Ted Bundy helping detectives find a serial killer. Based on real events that happened before Bundy was executed.

Anyway, Elwes played Bundy and was downright creepy. And, you're gonna think I'm crazy, but there were moments when I saw the Joker.

Partly because of the way some of the scenes were lit (bright lights to create a pale complexion while enhancing shadow around his features), but also due to his performance, at times would arch his brows and have a certain look in his eyes...a chilling performance without being over-the-top.

I'm sure nobody else can see Cary Elwes as the Joker, but I swear I saw it last night.

Detective Flass

04-24-2005, 12:30 PM

you see the thing with casting is you don't want to over shadow bale with a big name like jude law or johnny depp, i think low famed but good, actors are the way to go, tim roth is a great way to go, but i still think bowie would be good, impossible but good

Thank you! I'm glad others also think bringing in A list actors will overshadow Bale.

My only problem with Bowie is that he's around 50.

Some of The Tim Roth pics I posted above scream Joker. :joker: :up:

Detective Flass

04-24-2005, 12:32 PM

Also Tim Roth was in a movie were he played a psychotic killer who goes on a killing spree with his girlfriend across the country, great movie. Based on a true story.

It show's Roth's evil side. That and Planet of the Apes and Rob Roy.

DOO BEE

04-24-2005, 11:39 PM

yeah bowie looks good for 50, yet he is impossible, roth is an ideal choice

Detective Flass

04-25-2005, 02:46 PM

Glad you're part of the Roth Campaign. :D

DOO BEE

04-26-2005, 02:09 AM

yeah, roth was kick ass is RD, and he was awsome in PF,

Voyeur

04-26-2005, 01:42 PM

I heard that back in '89, they were thinking about Ray Liotta as the Joker...he could still do it!

Detective Flass

04-26-2005, 06:46 PM

Liotta is too old now. He's nearly 50!

Detective Flass

04-26-2005, 07:10 PM

TIM ROTH FOR THE JOKER DAMMIT!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/rothj.jpg

S_H_F_4839

04-27-2005, 02:15 AM

Glover is my pick, but I wouldn't mind seeing roth play the riddler somewhere down the line.

Mike_D

04-28-2005, 05:33 PM

glover...dammit.

http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgproductions/batman/newcrispjoker.jpg

Detective Flass

04-28-2005, 05:37 PM

UPDATED!

Choices of Flass in order:

1. Tim Roth
2. Crispin Glover
3. Michael Massee
4. Johnny Depp
5. Jude Law

Rynan

04-28-2005, 08:27 PM

If you want my opinion, I think we should look back to the Joker's dark roots in the first issue of Batman for his look. I think that look embodied the purest look of the character. And I should say now, I've never been a real fan of the anorixicly thin, huge narrow chined, curley haired version of the Joker. To me it seemed that he didn't look the part. I prefer the versions like Justice League or "Batman" the orginal movie. And when they do find the actor(my money's on an unknown), they should keep his suit simple and striking. Well, here's my version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/TheJoker2.jpg

Simple purple, green, and black; that's all I ask(and red lips. I chouldn't get the color on my drawing)

spdrknight

04-28-2005, 08:35 PM

^It would be nice to see a translation of the comic incarnation, with the purple and green, but I don't it'll work that well. I like his colors settling on a darker pallete, going with more black.

Rynan

04-28-2005, 08:48 PM

I see and acknowledge that you have a point by saying "more dark", but I think I have a point when I say "everyone else in Gotham is dark". Yes, it's true, everyone has really towned down colors in gotham, but I think the Joker should stand out as an abnomaly with his purple and green suit. And sure, The Jokers purple suit could be replaced with black, but why? He is, after all, a clown. A killer clown, but a clown none-the-less. Also he's meglomaniac and he craves the spotlight, so why not stand out. No deary blacks with this clown, only happiness....induced by Joker venom.

spdrknight

04-28-2005, 09:09 PM

idk... I just really liked this fan pick thats someone did awhile back and I would love to see this Joker on film. And it is more dark, but I guess you could slap on a purple suit too... http://img31.echo.cx/img31/1315/joker23fi.jpg

ShadowBoxing

04-28-2005, 09:44 PM

Lachy Hume sounds interesting...and I think thats who Nolan wants from what I have heard....which is very little. Tim Curry could do it, he has the smile. The character from RHPS is somewhat like versions of the Joker. Mark Hammill is a good consideration, they would have to use a lot of make-up though. Crispin Glover is good but I would pick Tim Roth over him

ShadowBoxing

04-28-2005, 09:46 PM

Also I know Killing Joke is the fav around here...but I would like a arkham ayslum graphic novel inspired joker

Maxwell Smart

04-28-2005, 09:49 PM

Screw Killing Joke. The Joker having an origin was done very thoroughly(sp?) in B89. This time he needs to be a total enigma. He is much more frightening that way.

ShadowBoxing

04-28-2005, 10:25 PM

Screw Killing Joke. The Joker having an origin was done very thoroughly(sp?) in B89. This time he needs to be a total enigma. He is much more frightening that way.

Interesting take actually...that was the way Batman TAS did it and it worked fairly well (eventually they went back and explored the origin in Mask of the Phantasm and a future episode). However he needs some introduction...not necessarily an origin, but an introduction. I heard there would be some surprise cameos in arkham in Begin...so perhaps we'll know more about where they are going with the next villians by then

also watch the langauge

Maxwell Smart

04-28-2005, 10:30 PM

Interesting take actually...that was the way Batman TAS did it and it worked fairly well (eventually they went back and explored the origin in Mask of the Phantasm and a future episode). However he needs some introduction...not necessarily an origin, but an introduction. I heard there would be some surprise cameos in arkham in Begin...so perhaps we'll know more about where they are going with the next villians by then

also watch the langauge

Um......watch what language?

ShadowBoxing

04-28-2005, 10:40 PM

Um......watch what language?
nevermind

P. Cushing

04-29-2005, 03:58 AM

Dafoe damnit!

Batty for Bats!

04-29-2005, 09:13 AM

All this talk about origin... tisk tisk. Reading the script and everyone mentioning it, isn't Joker just going to be there? I mean, if the movie ends with Gordon showing Batman the clown card, wouldn't Joker have already been "made"? That means that there were no origins, we just start the movie?.......
Or is the card just some taunt to the cops by a crazed comedian who likes to rob convience stores and gets a thrill out of it.. just because type thing.

GL1

04-29-2005, 10:49 AM

What happend to the Benicio option?

spdrknight

04-29-2005, 02:18 PM

Daniel_Lioneye

04-29-2005, 03:36 PM

Benicio Del Toro, nothing against the others, but I think he can top even Nicholson if given the chance.

Detective Flass

04-29-2005, 05:23 PM

The poll was made before Del Toro's popularity.

P. Cushing

04-29-2005, 08:04 PM

DAFOE for JOKER

Detective Flass

04-29-2005, 08:25 PM

ROTH for JOKER

P. Cushing

04-29-2005, 08:43 PM

LAW for JOKER

ComicBookGuyT

04-29-2005, 08:57 PM

We have to truat Nolon, all this bickering we do probably won't change his mind.

On another note...

Roth, Del Toro, or Dafoe as Joker, those are the one's I'm pulling for.

KingOfDreams

04-29-2005, 08:58 PM

My first choice would be Willem DeFoe, but of all the people in the poll, I'm going to have to choose Tim Roth. I think he has all the elements to be a good Joker. Most of the other choices I liked only have one element...the look. These being Steve Bushemi and maybe Jude Law. Crispin Glover and Jim Carrey (Lemony Snicket showed me he could be that type of character) might be able to pull of the look and the characterizations, though.

Detective Flass

04-29-2005, 09:26 PM

Thanks for choosing Roth, you get a complamentary gift basket whenever you support Roth. Thanks for joining the campaign! :D

P. Cushing

04-30-2005, 05:59 AM

My first choice would be Willem Dafoe
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/lions_gate_films/shadow_of_the_vampire/willem_dafoe/vampirepre2.jpg
You have wisdom for one who has lived but one lifetime (of course, I'm just assuming that you've only lived one lifetime).

Detective Flass

04-30-2005, 09:30 AM

Here are some upcoming films that Tim Roth is doing that are mysetery/horror oriented that can really show off his dark side.

Dark Water (2005)

Plot: A mother and daughter, still wounded from a bitter custody dispute, hole up in a run-down apartment building. Adding further drama to their plight, they are targeted by the ghost of former resident.

Sounds pretty good. ;)

The Death of Harry Tobin (2006)

Plot: Neve Campbell plays a young woman in an isolated community on an English Island who, after witnessing a horrific murder as a young child writes to the mainland. Tim Roth plays a disturbed detective who comes to investigate the crime, whilst Nick Nolte plays the pillar off the community.

Detective Flass

04-30-2005, 09:37 AM

TIM ROTH

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0119311/Ss/0119311/fcs_lt_0049.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Roth,%20Tim

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0119311/hood6.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Roth,%20Tim&seq=2

lujho

04-30-2005, 10:00 AM

I want Joker young and vital. Full of raw energy. An actual great comedic actor.

Sam Rockwell has long been one of my quite a few possible candidates. After seeing Hitch Hiker's Guide (in which his character isn't anything like Joker at all), he's still on the list.

Sam Rockwell: He rocks, well. Not saying he's my first choice, I don't really have one.

I love how everyone choose someone based on looks and acting ability and is certain they'd be perfect, yet for all they know they quite simply may not be able to "get" the character, to do it right.

The only way to know for sure is to see actual auditions from all these possible candidates. I think the character would be extremely hard to get right in a live-action film.

The Question

04-30-2005, 10:59 AM

1.the look:the joker should look like not a guy in makeup, but an albino with a green dye job and lipstick. he should wear the purple suit, but it should be aq little dirty and torn in some places

2.the origin:killing joke origin all the way

3.the character:he should act like a silly clown/not funny but thinks he is relative while doing things like murdering and cripleing people for his own amusement. his jokes in the context of what he's doing should be really disturbing. his gang, if he has one, should be a cross between the people that followed charles manson around and the jokerz from batman beyond

4.the actor:alan cummings. he can play goofy and serious quite well. pluss, he kinda looks like the joker

P. Cushing

04-30-2005, 07:58 PM

DICK E GRANT for THE JOKER.

Rynan

04-30-2005, 09:06 PM

I'll first say this, I don't think Dafoe should be cast as the Joker. Not that I think he's a bad actor or anything, but I just think that people will think that Batman is stepping on Spider-man's success by hiring Defoe, the guy who played the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin(and will probably be returning in Spider-man 3). Just one of those should we or shouldn't kinda moments.

Second, I'm pro not seeing the Joker's origin. Have him come out of left field at Batman, just like Batman's been going to the crooks. The crooks don't know where Batman came from, so it should seem fair Batman doesn't know squat about this new deadly opponent. Kinda neat that way.

Also, I think opinions about the way the Joker should act are moot, for we all have opinions about he should act, but they all will be tossed aside when we see him on screen and hear his meniacal laughter.

And what's with lipstick, green hair dye, and dirty suits? Can we toss Uber-realism to the wayside, Please. If the Joker just became an Albino after his lil' accident, there whouldn't be much of a catlyst now whould there. I like the idea that he is a clown looking freak and, like how Two-Face has his scarring or Mr. Freeze can't live outside sub-zero temperatures, it shouldn't be meddled with in an effort to make it "beliveable".

Detective Flass

05-01-2005, 09:38 AM

Albino Joker? Hell No!

Depp and Roth are tied!!! Roth Supporters Unite!

Two-Face

05-01-2005, 09:45 AM

Benicio Del Toro for Joker! I'm with Maxwell on this one

Detective Flass

05-01-2005, 09:48 AM

Lachy Hulme is a dead choice now a' days. He should be taken off the poll, sadly I cannot edit it though. :(

Detective Flass

05-01-2005, 09:53 AM

Maxwell Smart

05-01-2005, 10:15 AM

The Joker

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/dc/bitmaps/joker.jpg

Benicio Del Toro

http://www.arnadal.no/film/actors/images/deltoro_benicio.jpg

I just cannot see him playing The Joker. :down: :down:

Thats not very good for your case against Del Toro. They actually look similar in those pics. The hair, the eyebrows, the nose, the cheekbones..

I don't see why you have to bash other people's choices. Why not just promote your own? I think you get insecure because you know Del Toro is a viable alternative to Roth.

Detective Flass

05-01-2005, 11:23 AM

I never bashed Del Toro, I just cannot see him in white make up and in a purple suit as The Joker.

The only two choices I can recall to have bashed was Lachy Hulme and Johnny Depp. And whenever I promote Roth people get ticked off. I can't win!

Detective Flass

05-01-2005, 07:01 PM

Sign the Tim Roth to Play The Joker Petition!!!

http://www.gopetition.com/online/6253.html

P. Cushing

05-02-2005, 01:51 AM

No.

Detective Flass

05-02-2005, 03:50 PM

Yes

DorkyFresh

05-03-2005, 08:08 PM

Detective Flass

05-04-2005, 03:11 PM

Indeed. It's pretty sad. :(

super scar

05-04-2005, 04:20 PM

I REALLLLLYYY whish Jim Carry didn't play the Riddler in Batman Forever...

....I'm watching him right now in Lemony Snicket's Series of Unfortunate events and I have to say...

...that man was BORN to play Joker!!!
Could'nt agree more. The thing is would it really bother people if he was cast in the new franchise.
I would also love to see Walken appear another more serious Batman movie.

Detective Flass

05-04-2005, 04:46 PM

I think Walken could make an excellent Mr. Freeze.

Two-Face

05-04-2005, 05:01 PM

Walken or Carrey it's unlikely cast by Nolan cos of last franchise but both great actors tho admire their work.

Mike_D

05-04-2005, 07:23 PM

crisp g.

Swordmaster

05-04-2005, 08:02 PM

I suggest Hulme, and have him have a dark, twisted humor

Rynan

05-04-2005, 08:56 PM

I can think of only two reasons why Carrey won't be the Joker. One is of course he was the Riddler but the other is the fact that Hollywood doesn't take him seriously. It's a pity, the man really gets into work and can assume any role. Lemoney Snicket is a prime example of this. But I gues directors just can't wash the Mask and Ace Ventura from their minds. Sad.

DorkyFresh

05-05-2005, 01:37 AM

It's a pity, the man really gets into work and can assume any role. Lemoney Snicket is a prime example of this. But I gues directors just can't wash the Mask and Ace Ventura from their minds. Sad.
The man is a comedic genius and there ARE serious parts in some of his movies where you actually feel/hate/love his character...

...if I could spend a day with Nolan (or whoever directs the sequel with Joker) I'd spend it along side the director watching Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events (for his eeriness), the Grinch Who Stole Christmas (for his comedy and grumpiness), and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (for his ability to be serious when needed).....and all of them would prove just how versatile he is and how perfect he would fit the Joker. Jim Carrey as the Joker would be as good of casting as Bale as Batman IMO.

I mean.....that scene where he's threatening the children while they're in the car is 100% Joker right down to the VOICE!!!

P. Cushing

05-05-2005, 04:17 AM

Bah! Dafoe.

Rynan

05-06-2005, 06:04 PM

My main concern is the fights. I haven't seen Carrey actually fight in a movie.

DorkyFresh

05-06-2005, 09:05 PM

My main concern is the fights. I haven't seen Carrey actually fight in a movie.
Well.....

....considering the Joker isn't a physical fighter, that wouldn't be Carrey's biggest problem. The biggest problem is that he already played the Riddler...

P. Cushing

05-06-2005, 09:29 PM

People always get him confused with The Joker anyway, so that's not a problem.

The Question

05-06-2005, 10:01 PM

my choice is allan cummings, who isn't on your poll. he played the eccentric enventor who was coerced by his evil friend into makeing weapons for terrorists in spy kids, and he played nightcrawler in X2. he can act well, he can be intense, he can play crazy, and he kinda looks like the joker.

P. Cushing

05-06-2005, 10:13 PM

He's a bit diminutive for it though. He's 5'10"

super scar

05-07-2005, 08:27 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/ripper/carrey.jpg

P. Cushing

05-07-2005, 10:06 AM

I can't tell who the hell that is. He(?) has been liquified out of all proportion.

The Question

05-07-2005, 10:18 AM

He's a bit diminutive for it though. He's 5'10"

5' 10" isn't that short, and otherwise he'd do ghreat in the role. i think the hight of the character is important to a point(you don't want a midget playing batman) but it's not that big a deal if the actor isn't quite as tall as the character is described in thr comics.

Detective Flass

05-07-2005, 10:26 AM

OMG! Jim Carrey as The Joker looks great!

Awesome Super Scar!!!!!! :D

Detective Flass

05-07-2005, 10:27 AM

Alan Cumming could make an excellent Joker but I doubt he's accept the role.

kame-sennin

05-07-2005, 12:56 PM

Alan Cumming could make an excellent Joker but I doubt he's accept the role.

I love this guy, but he's been in a lot of crap, I think he'd take it in a heartbeat.

P. Cushing

05-07-2005, 06:43 PM

Why isn't everyone up in arms over the suggestion that an actor who's already been in a comic book film be in another (completely unrelated) one? C'mon! Be consistant!

Detective Flass

05-07-2005, 06:53 PM

And you also suck ass. :o

Riven

05-07-2005, 07:01 PM

Why isn't everyone up in arms over the suggestion that an actor who's already been in a comic book film be in another (completely unrelated) one? C'mon! Be consistant!
Because I don't take the suggestion of Alan Cumming seriously.

I do take the suggestion of Willem Dafoe seriously, that's why I argue against it. (that's what you're referring to isn't it?)

And if so, do you consider Dafoe's part in Spiderman "completely unrelated" to that of the Joker?

Rynan

05-07-2005, 09:05 PM

Fine line there, man. Some people may take it that DC wants to be like Marvel or a least copy their sucess(which I think is stupid), while others will think that Defoe was an excellent choice to play the murderous Joker. But, as I said before, you'll probably see him in Spider-man 3, whenever that is.

ComicBookGuy25

05-07-2005, 10:01 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/BigA54/1.jpg
With some makeup and all.....?

DAMN, DAMN IT. It's already on the stinking poll. Oh well. I still say this guy is freaky as Joker.

watsonlives

05-08-2005, 02:46 AM

my vote is for crispin glover. somebody should manip that shot of him from willard where he is grinning and all the rats are coming out of the elevator behind him.

Riven

05-08-2005, 08:08 AM

Crispin Glover isn't THAT much on an actor though, is he?

The part he played in Willard had some of the Joker's characteristics, but when Glover went full-out with them, he kind of fell flat. The scene where he goes all frantic when they try to take away his house was painful (acting-wise) and the times he had to seem evil, he just looked a little deranged. A lot of glaring from under his eyebrows and weak smirks, but nothing convincing.

He would be GREAT if they ever put Alberto Falcone in the films.

Just look at him... it's totally like Alberto being shouted at by Carmine...

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/willard/_group_photos/crispin_glover1.jpg http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2003/030603/images/film_cover_2.jpg

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p1.jpg

raybia

05-10-2005, 10:40 AM

first off, there's no reason to drastically change him from how he is in the comics...no origin (at least not yet, if the Batman series goes on like Bond is, do his origin Killing Joke style in like, the 8th movie or something), no ex-mob thing...he's crazy, but not babbling mad man crazy...he's a sociopath who realizes what he's doing it wrong and evil, but that's why he loves it...cause he thinks life is a big joke and death is the punchline...it's just that simple :o

:up:

I would love to see a movie with elements of the Killing Joke but even then I wouldn't want it to be the definitive origin of the Joker. I love the fact that there is a mystery to his origins. And if anyone remembers, the 1st intro of the Joker just had him appearing out of nowhere to menace Gotham and the Batman.

Marvin

05-10-2005, 09:06 PM

P. Cushing

05-11-2005, 03:53 AM

Just because he has no range (or doesn't show it) doesn't mean he's a bad actor, just that he's good at playing a particular character type. You might say Morgan Freeman has no range, as he's nearly always playing wise old black men giving out advice, but he's a phenomonal actor.

P. Cushing

05-11-2005, 04:09 AM

And if so, do you consider Dafoe's part in Spiderman "completely unrelated" to that of the Joker?
A) I meant that the films were unrelated (Different companies, so that takes out any problems that might arise in crossover films)
B) The Green Goblin was a businessman, scientist and father who gained a split personality after a lab accident in which he was exposed to dangerous chemicals. He wore a mask and a green body suit maintained his civillain identity while he was The Green Goblin. He also flew around on a glider. He had enhanced strength too.
The Joker was a failed comedian/mobster (depending on which origin you like best) who went completely insane after expousure to dangerous chemicals. He wore a purple and yellow/orange zoot suit and left smiles on the faces of his corpses.
The similarities:
They are comic book characters. They are the arch enemies of the characters whose comic books they appear in. They laugh (nearly all supervillains do that). They kill people (again, nearly all supervillains do that).
They have different backgrounds, different motivations, different outfits, different methods. And to top it off Dafoe has said he WANTS to play more comic book characters. And Brian Singer showed people that an actor can be cast in another comic book film soon after being in another one. There is NO problem.

Texlexor

05-11-2005, 04:26 AM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/texlexor/glover_manip.jpgHi! I'm new here...

Being a huge Batman & Joker fan I really hope they go with the "Killing Joke" orgin of the Joker.. I made this manip a while ago, after seeing Willard.

Haven't seen this picture being altered before... reminded me a bit of the first image ever of the Joker in the comics.. Not the best manip but my vote goes to Mr. Glover, I believe he could pull off the role of a tragic comedian who's lost everything... :joker:

I'm hoping to see the Joker as The Red Hood, not some new version of how he came to be...

raybia

05-11-2005, 09:11 AM

if they do show us the true origin of the joker...with all that stand up comic...stand up family guy in the trenches...

then that means that we'll need a good relatable actor that we can all sympathise with and follow on his journey into insanity...all the way to the point where we see him trapped inside a shell of insanity crying for batman to save him.

I'm sorry my friends but that means Adrien Brody!

Glover was born as the joker so he might not work for the pre joker stuff...but he has the potential to be the most intense of the bunch...and his filmography helps!

Depp can do anything...period! But that doesn't mean he could do it the best.

Why does everyone think buscemi is a good actor...the man has no range.
and no way would he be believable as joker...

All of this speculation is fun but when it comes down to it, we are suggesting who we feel would be the best actor to play the Joker based on just a handful of actors who come to mind. Some of it is based on appearance, while a few focusing on who can capture the essence of the Joker without coming across as a baffoon. Of course ideally the person who gets cast will be able to do both.

Why limit you pool of candidates to only those who have experience some level of success in Hollywood, when you could open it up an international cast call to find the best actor who could personify the character.

The perfect actor is probably an unknown whose star has yet risen. So we have to be real and ask ourselves that based on Nolan's casting of BB, who would Nolan choose?

Darth Nata

05-11-2005, 10:41 AM

http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gifDennis Leary is probably a bit too old now but I would love to see him as The Joker

spdrknight

05-11-2005, 10:47 AM

All of this speculation is fun but when it comes down to it, we are suggesting who we feel would be the best actor to play the Joker based on just a handful of actors who come to mind. Some of it is based on appearance, while a few focusing on who can capture the essence of the Joker without coming across as a baffoon. Of course ideally the person who gets cast will be able to do both.

Why limit you pool of candidates to only those who have experience some level of success in Hollywood, when you could open it up an international cast call to find the best actor who could personify the character.

The perfect actor is probably an unknown whose star has yet risen. So we have to be real and ask ourselves that based on Nolan's casting of BB, who would Nolan choose?

You're right raybia, a unknown could easily blow the competition away. Nolan seems to want that as well, he wants unknowns or talented new actors to be apart of the Batman films, probably because he wants the focus to be on the film and not on these big stars that are in it. Half the people who see Begins probably don't even know who Bale is, he is not that big of an actor... unless you are familar with smaller, lowbudget movies.

DorkyFresh

05-11-2005, 12:13 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/texlexor/glover_manip.jpg
the joker actually looks more like Steve Buscemi in that drawing...

http://www.kino.de/pix/MBBILDER/MITWIRK/Z0307403.JPG

Jack Rabbit

05-11-2005, 01:05 PM

Micheal Masse. Roth, or Brody.

NUff said.

Jack Rabbit

05-11-2005, 01:06 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/BigA54/1.jpg
With some makeup and all.....?

DAMN, DAMN IT. It's already on the stinking poll. Oh well. I still say this guy is freaky as Joker.

What's he been in...?

raybia

05-11-2005, 01:19 PM

What's he been in...?

The trainman (or something like that) from Matrix Revolutions.

Detective Flass

05-11-2005, 02:22 PM

He's like 65 though!

Detective Flass

05-11-2005, 08:20 PM

MICHAEL MASSEE

http://www.thecrowsloft.com/pics/thecrow/crow83.jpg

http://www.immortalcrow.hpg.ig.com.br/funboy.jpg

He's my second choice for The Joker after Roth.

super scar

05-11-2005, 10:48 PM

Is that Funboy from The Crow?

Capt. Jack

05-12-2005, 12:10 AM

MICHAEL MASSEE

http://www.thecrowsloft.com/pics/thecrow/crow83.jpg

http://www.immortalcrow.hpg.ig.com.br/funboy.jpg

He's my second choice for The Joker after Roth.

THAT IS THE ****ER THAT KILLED BRANDON LEE

NO WAY DO I WANT HIM AS JOKER HE WOULD END UP KILLING BALE!

Capt. Jack

05-12-2005, 12:12 AM

Glover Or Unknown

P. Cushing

05-12-2005, 01:48 AM

the joker actually looks more like Steve Buscemi in that drawing...

http://www.kino.de/pix/MBBILDER/MITWIRK/Z0307403.JPG
And Buscemi looks like Matthew Broderick with a hangover in that pic.

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 06:44 AM

Hi , First time posting, long time bat-fan - personally i like whats already been said on these threads - very interesting

For the Joker to succeed you need an Actor with a wide range of Talent to play tragic to funny as hell in the flick of an eyebrow

The Jokers character is pure chaos to batman's order, so his character has to be instantly muteable, forever changing.

Jude Law? To hell with that idea - never rated him as an actor of note

Depp, Turturo or Buscemi are very diversive off the wall kinda actors that would do the role justice

Other considerations are Alan (Nightcrawler) Cumming tho i dont think he'd do it, after being in so many comic projects.

i'm definitely behind the idea of Crispin Glover as the joker - Nervous energy, very physical (did most of his own stunts in Charlies Angels) , creepy persona, very gangly hiding wiry strength - that role could make him.

Another one I'm really Keen on is Benicio Del Toro - that guy can play anything - check out his performance in Sin City - especially when he does that high grating laugh when hes "dead" in Dwight's car -

it wouldnt be the first time that the joker was played by a latin American - Caesar Romero anyone?

"in the Kingdom Of The Blind the One-Eyed man is king, but i'll forever be without my throne - a wandering Deadeye knight"

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 06:53 AM

Oh yeah how about having a welsh-born Joker, to Bale's welsh-born Batman?

Look no further than the superb Ryhs Ivans

Remember him?

Little Nicky's evil Brother - surely joker material there

P. Cushing

05-12-2005, 06:57 AM

http://www.altyazi.net/nisan02/gozecarpanlar/resim/ryhsifans.jpg
This Rhys Ivans? I dunno.

I'd prefer Dafoe:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/246409.jpg

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 07:09 AM

Here's some shots of actors i knocked up in Corel

if you would be good enough to follow the links you'll see what i've done
Alan Cumming (nightcrawler from Xmen 2)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/cummingjoker20.jpg
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"deadeye Knight"

Heres another

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/CrispinJoker.jpg

i'll post more later or can anyone tell me how to integrate them like you guys have done with your pics in your posts

i'm so old i still think windows 95 was cutting edge LMAO

"in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king, but i'll forever be without my throne - a wandering deadeye knight"

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 07:16 AM

well to be fair defoe has played the goblin in spiderman and your right he would be outstanding - but would he play another comicbook villain?

Its like asking Alan Cumming to do joker after nightcrawler or loki (son of mask)

And also to be fair that photo of Rhys Ifans isnt a good indication of how evil he can be

I'll try and get a better one and do a joker makeover on it

P. Cushing

05-12-2005, 07:21 AM

but would he play another comicbook villain?
Since he's said he wants to, I'd say yes.

And also to be fair that photo of Rhys Ifans isnt a good indication of how evil he can be
Well, the supply on the net is limited. Maybe someone could find some good screencaps from Little Nicky?

I'll try and get a better one and do a joker makeover on it[/QUOTE]

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 08:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by deDIKnight
but would he play another comicbook villain?

Since he's said he wants to, I'd say yes.

Quote:
And also to be fair that photo of Rhys Ifans isnt a good indication of how evil he can be

Well, the supply on the net is limited. Maybe someone could find some good screencaps from Little Nicky?

I'll try and get a better one and do a joker makeover on it[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry peter cushing, but when you put a quote at the end of that sentence^ that sounds like its on like Donkey Kong

Reign yourself in there a bit hoss

i'm trying to keep this friendly mate---- and i agreed with you that defoe would be OUTSTANDING -

but while he said yes - his representatives or more importantly the casting agencies for he bat sequel might not pick up defoe for the very reason that he has played the goblin

i'd welcome defoe whole heartedly for the role coz i know he is more than capable

And as for the pic of ifans - on google - THE SAME PAGE the pic you posted is on, is not only a campy pic of ifans in "Little Nicky" but one from "kevin Perry Goe Large" where he's grinning like a loon.

Ifans can play a wide range of parts from camp to unbelievably dark to highly comical
Jude Law by comparison is AWFUL and yet his name graces the poll

I have proved i can draw with the pics I posted previous on those photobucket links - I draw for a living

But if you want to do better than me, think you can do better than me, and can do better than me --- then please feel free, i'll be impressed and show professional courtesy for a job well done

"I've taken off my makeup , lets see if you can take off yours" Jack The Joker 'Bat '89'

deDIKnight

05-12-2005, 10:10 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/CrispinJoker.jpg

Crispin Glover as the joker above and Alan Cumming below as the joker

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/cummingjoker20.jpg the picture on the left is taken from his stage performance in the musical "Cabaret" where he played the Emcee
His performance as Floop in Spykids and Emcee in Cabaret gives him a good campy pedigree as the joker and he has that "funny shaped head" like Mr J had in "The Killing Joke"

Nightwing5

05-12-2005, 08:20 PM

Is that Funboy from The Crow?

yeah, and Armando from Catwoman.

kang604

05-13-2005, 05:12 AM

after watching sin city i think benecio del toro would be a great joker... the scene where jackie boy is talking to dwight in the car is just creepy

deDIKnight

05-13-2005, 06:59 AM

I totally agree Kang

Benicio Del Toro's career has proven he can play ANYTHING and while maybe not as legendary as deniro (yet) he does the deniro weight gain/loss thing so he is almost unrecogniseable in his roles

Its not without the bounds of credibility that he can lose weight to play the joker - he's got a fantastic vocal range, that can go from mean and growly to high pitched and insanely manic

as evidenced in that sin city scene that you are talking about

his grin nearly split his face, he had a false nose and chin prosthetic - That could be toned down a bit and not so stylised as the joker, his eyes and that laugh

man - that was the joker or damn near to it

And like i said it wouldnt be the first time that the joker was played by a latin american

Caesar Romero played him first in the 60s tv series

But we're (and more importantly warner casting are) obviously looking for a darker, killing joke-style joker

I think del Toro can do it with aplomb

Voyeur

05-13-2005, 07:26 AM

I think another interesting choice might be Matthew Lillard. He's kinda young compared to a lot of the other actors mentioned, and known for being goofy. But I think he can be more than that.

He also has an interesting face, very tall and slender. Plus he's shown some real psychotic potential...in a good way!

Two-Face

05-13-2005, 07:29 AM

A picture please!

Voyeur

05-13-2005, 08:03 AM

A picture please!
Of Lillard? I wish I could...I'm on webtv right now and apparently they don't make the picture option available, which sucks.

But he was the crazy guy in the movie Scream (ok, he was also Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movies, but that wouldn't help his cause).

darknite17

05-13-2005, 11:28 AM

raybia

05-13-2005, 12:11 PM

Christopher Eccleston has the ability in his acting performance to do a great job as the Joker. He has a physical presence and an insane look in his face, throw in the fact that he is an english theatre trained thesp like Caine, Bale, Oldman and Wilkinson and has currently refused to sign for another season as Dr. Who maybe he can be considered.

http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/dw9.jpg

http://www.shillpages.com/dw/ecclec08.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/gallery/eccleston/images/340/ecc14.jpg

Hey, wasn't Christopher Eccleston rumored to be up for the either the Scarecrow or for Batman himself? You might be on to something here. Certainly Eccleston is someone that Nolan is already aware of or may even know. He could be on Nolan's short list of candidates for the Joker. I would make sense (based on how BB casting went) to cast a fellow Brit for the Joker. Also he has the look and is definitely an outstanding actor (loved him in The Others). But could he play the 'sometimes over the top' mood swings of the Joker? Also there is something very dangerous like presense to this actor.

So far this is the best choice I have heard.

deDIKnight

05-13-2005, 12:29 PM

hmmm interesting choice - i prefer rhys ifans if theres gonna be a brit actor - but i never thought about chris eccleston

he would be good

currently doing the fantasy/sci-fi rounds as Dr.who he displays an almost manically happy personality like he's been taking dico biscuits - then goes into childish or manic rages - a classic sign of a manic depressive

thing is, he's quitting dr. who because out of many reasons he doesnt want to be type cast

i REALLY DOUBT he would want to play joker after turning down a really good heroic part like dr.who

Mathew Lilliard on the other hand is again an inspired choice and more practical in a sense

he strikes me as someone who'd relish playing the joker to distance himself from his shaggy image

right body type, personality and energy for the part

Either I myself, Super scar or any other pro/semi-pro or keen amateur artist on these boards should rattle out some joker makeovers

Especially for Lilliard and Del Toro

I've just finished a real cool few pics of buscemi, cumming (again for fun) and MARILYN MANSON as joker makeovers

those three guys didnt take much working on

i also done one of rhys ifans

will be posting these soon when time allows

"In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man may be king, but forever without throne or home - i am the wandering deadeye knight"

Voyeur

05-13-2005, 04:36 PM

Sounds cool, deDIKnight!

Detective Flass

05-13-2005, 05:48 PM

Roth Dammit!

P. Cushing

05-13-2005, 09:57 PM

Dafoe Dammit!

P. Cushing

05-13-2005, 09:58 PM

Hey, wasn't Christopher Eccleston rumored to be up for the either the Scarecrow
That was a mistake. Someone confused him with Murphy because they had both been in 28 Days Later.

deDIKnight

05-14-2005, 09:19 AM

LOOK Pete cushing, they wont hire defoe -

As much as you and i think he's perfect for the part

Tell you what

Dafoe gets cast for definite as the Joker - we meet up and i buy you a pint

metr0man

05-14-2005, 10:49 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/metr0man/joker.jpg

err, okay so there''s no actor there, but the READ THIS thread says all Joker-related stuff's got to go in here... so uh, lets just say, it's... uh,... steve buscemi. yeah. ;)

super scar

05-14-2005, 10:52 AM

That's a helluva cool picture. Alex Ross?

metr0man

05-14-2005, 11:06 AM

yup, cropped/zoinked from this:

http://img140.exs.cx/img140/1266/bbwpg6lg9oq.jpg

Sawyer

05-14-2005, 11:48 AM

Crispin Glover, he is the only one in my mind who would scare the hell out of me as joker.

Rynan

05-14-2005, 05:22 PM

Nightwing5

05-14-2005, 09:07 PM

DorkyFresh

05-15-2005, 02:32 AM

GOD I wish Jim Carrey hadn't been the Riddler...

he really doesn't even NEED makeup. Just look at'im!
http://teemix.aufeminin.com/imworld/stars/fan/D20041201/96_995307563_jim_carrey_1__H193520_L.jpg

Nathan

05-15-2005, 02:37 AM

^ What the hell is he doing?! :eek:

P. Cushing

05-15-2005, 04:35 AM

Moving his hands along his penis to ejaculate?

Rynan

05-15-2005, 10:48 AM

Jim Carrey discovers his special purpose.

Depp could be good as the Joker....but the rumor of his choliphobia worries me(you must become what you fear.....). You know, Tim Burton is also rumored to have a fear of clowns.

Also, look at this pic I did of the Joker. I would like some opinions about the suit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Jokersuit2.jpg
http://%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Rynan/Jokersuit2.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

Voyeur

05-15-2005, 11:09 AM

Hey, I just thought about this recently, but the actor who plays the Joker needs to have a broad range. Like he needs to be able to act charasmatic and intellengent, then be able to change on a dime into a dangerous psychopath, then back again.
That may be why Sam Rockwell's name came up. In a million years, I never would have thought of him. Yet in movies like The Green Mile and Charlie's Angels he's shown charmisma and insanity quite effectively.

If they decided on Rockwell, I wouldn't be disappointed.

Detective Flass

05-15-2005, 01:04 PM

Neither would I...

ROTH DAMMT!!!!!

HumanSquirrel

05-15-2005, 01:33 PM

After seeing THE JACKET yesterday, my vote goes to Adrian Brody.

deDIKnight

05-15-2005, 01:45 PM

Agree with Super scar - that alex ross joker is definitely one of the best interpretations of the clown prince of crime

bbb

05-16-2005, 08:04 AM

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2001-08-30/movie_features8-1.jpg

Tadanobu Asano DAMMIT

deDIKnight

05-16-2005, 11:06 AM

And thanks for the compliment Voyeur - Those Photo Manips I'm doing, now includes

TIM ROTH
HUGO WEAVING
WILLEM DAFOE
VINCENT GALLO
SAM ROCKWELL

Nightwing5

05-16-2005, 07:43 PM

And thanks for the compliment Voyeur - Those Photo Manips I'm doing, now includes

TIM ROTH
HUGO WEAVING
WILLEM DAFOE
VINCENT GALLO
SAM ROCKWELL

Could you make a Depp manip also?

deDIKnight

05-17-2005, 03:50 AM

Sure thing Nightwing, I'm old, half-blind and slow these days, but will get round to it

In the mean time here are those others I finished

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/CrispinJoker2.jpg

Crispy Glover again

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/cummingjoker23.jpg

Alan "NightCrawler" Cumming - something of a "peter cushing" vibe to this one - must be Pete's body I swiped from one of the Frankenstein Hammer films

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/Mansonjoker1.jpg Marilyn Manson as the Joker,
chin, nose and facial make up I never touched - Thats all his baby
just added eyes, highlights, green hair and eyebrows - sawed off his tophat into a fedora

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/RhysIfansJoker.jpg

And lastly Rhys Ifans as Mr. J
Okay I shouldnt have given him a Purple hoody - but its something different and Ifans is a superb actor and can play a broad range from darkly comic to humourously serious -
check out his performances in Little Nicky, 51st State and Love, Honor and Obey - to see what he could bring to the table

I'll get Depp etc done soon

"In the Kingdom Of The Blind, The one-eyed man is meant to be King, but without Throne or home - Forever will I be, a wandering deadeye knight"

deDIKnight

05-17-2005, 04:18 AM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/buscemiJoker2.bmpOh Yeah almost forgot Mad Steve Buscemi as the Clown Prince Of Crime, this was a grab from Escape to LA - his character "Map-to-the-Stars" Eddy and i manipulated it a bit with the clothing eyes and lips -

but the skin and his eyes are his - I never touched them.

Buscemi brings the right amount of Psycho killer to the role "weyland Green" from CON AIR
And has a very manic persona and superb comic timing

Texlexor

05-17-2005, 10:46 AM

Just posting some Cripsin Glover manips I've made... :joker:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/texlexor/glover-manip2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/texlexor/glover-manip1.jpg

raybia

05-17-2005, 12:48 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/RhysIfansJoker.jpg

And lastly Rhys Ifans as Mr. J
Okay I shouldnt have given him a Purple hoody - but its something different and Ifans is a superb actor and can play a broad range from darkly comic to humourously serious -
check out his performances in Little Nicky, 51st State and Love, Honor and Obey - to see what he could bring to the table

Damn, this dude looks scary! I think the Joker should look and be scary. I always thought there was something about clowns that are disturbing. I think Nolan should discover exactly what that something is and increase it by 5.

deDIKnight

05-17-2005, 02:15 PM

Thanks for being a believer Raybia - Ifans could pull it off

ShadowBoxing

05-17-2005, 02:21 PM

Comics2film (not the most reliable) says that Crispen Glover has been looked at by Goyer and Nolan to play the Joker in the upcoming sequal. However Hume name is still floating around

Also Liev Schieber has also been contacted to play Two-Face (Dent in sequal)

Take this info with a grain of salt, anyone can get a website and print this stuff...but if true, I think it is good news none the less

BruceforLizard

05-17-2005, 02:59 PM

Hmmm Interesting I think Glover would be perfect for the Joker. Although I always say him more of a Mad Hatter. As for Liev that's a interesting idea as well.

Chomp

05-17-2005, 03:50 PM

The guy's hair, I swear, is straight out of Killing Joke...Plus he knows how to play creepy, insane characters,...because he is creepy and insane in real life. HA!

deDIKnight

05-17-2005, 04:40 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/CrispinJoker2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/gcwhaley/CrispinJoker.jpg Yep I like Crispy as The Joker

You want more photo Manips and drawings dude - Just ask deadeye

Aethea

05-17-2005, 05:50 PM

deDIKnight

05-18-2005, 02:22 AM

Do you know that the name Lachy could be derived from the german "lachen"? meaning to Laugh?

Could be fate

deDIKnight

05-18-2005, 02:24 AM

liked those crispin manips Texlexor:up:

Riven

05-18-2005, 07:14 AM

Lachy Hulme rules. I could never take Crispin Glover serious as the Joker. He may look the part, but his voice and acting ability does not fit the Joker's. Besides, He will have bif shoes to fill. Lachy, on the other hand, looks like a tough villain--even without make up.
So you discard Glover on the basis of acting talent, even though he "has the look", but you're willing to support Hulme just because he "has the look", any acting talent bedamned?

Riven

05-18-2005, 07:29 AM

He's not that great an actor.

Motown Marvel

05-18-2005, 01:32 PM

glover and liev would be awesome in those respective roles.

Threshold

05-18-2005, 02:17 PM

Thoughts on Benicio Del Toro playing Joker?

The Question

05-18-2005, 02:30 PM

he'd be good, but i'd rather have alan cumming, since he kinda looks like the joker already.

Detective Flass

05-18-2005, 02:56 PM

Looking forward to the Tim Roth Manip! :D

Maxwell Smart

05-18-2005, 03:18 PM

Close this. Or merge it. I already made this thread awhile back.

I_am_budders

05-18-2005, 03:27 PM

Liev, wow, great call! Glover is growing on me as well..

Mike_D

05-18-2005, 03:29 PM

YES!!! I hope its true...

Antonello Blueberry

05-18-2005, 03:30 PM

It's not Comics2Film to report the Glover as Joker rumor.
It's Batman-on-film that reports a scoop from an anonymous source.

Jett, I've got another name for you that may be in the mix for The Joker - Crispin Glover. Now here's the thing, I don't know where this is coming from. It could be coming from Glover's "people" to get his name out there, or it could be coming from Warners. I know that Glover is sort of a "fan-favorite," so maybe they [Warner Bros. - Jett] is taking that into account. Hell, they cast Christian Bale, didn't they? Thought you would want to know
In the end, it's probably BS.

Mike_D

05-18-2005, 03:46 PM

http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgproductions/batman/newcrispjoker.jpg

http://cmgponline.com/go/dmgproductions/batman/crispjoker.jpg

...if he gets the part, I can die a happy man...after seeing the sequel of course.

Threshold

05-18-2005, 04:55 PM

Oh cool! Someone get a mod in here STAT!

angelus777

05-19-2005, 05:43 AM

This guy is born to play JOKER, seen him in some other stuff and he's f'n scary and creepy as a villian. Plus he has the look which is awesome, it should be between him and GLOVER.

Anyone think BOB HOSKINS should play penguin???

Riven

05-19-2005, 06:11 AM

No. No. And no. Well, on that last one, maybe.

But Hulme, never.

P. Cushing

05-19-2005, 07:07 AM

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172413

deDIKnight

05-19-2005, 09:49 AM

On its Way Det. Flass :)

deDIKnight

05-19-2005, 11:30 AM

Here's a few manips i've done from already printed versions
A coloured version of Dorky fresh's Joker Manip with a different mouth and highlighting
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/timrothjoker.jpg

And here's another version with a hat and yellowing eyes and skin
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/timrothjoker2.jpg

I'll be doing my own versions shortly from screen grabs from reservoir dogs and Pulp Fiction

Hope you like these in the meantime Flass - I'm in the middle of LAchy Hulme and Depp ones

Riven

05-19-2005, 12:37 PM

What is the point of a manip if you're going to alter the subject's facial features to such extremes that they in no way resemble the subject anymore, or any living human for that matter?

By that logic, you could take a picture of a 90 year old obese black woman and change the nose, the skin colour, the eyes, the hair, mouth, chin, clothes, general build, age and sex in photoshop and say "LOOK AT THIS! SHE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE JOKER!!!!!!!!!!!!1 NOLAN MUST CAST HER!!!"

The extent to which they will change the actor's look for the Joker is haircolour, make-up and possibly some mild prosthetics. They're not gonna transplant someone elses mouth or bone structure on him, you know. :rolleyes:

deDIKnight

05-19-2005, 02:23 PM

Whats the point?

Erm....... Cos its fun to do Riven?

If you dont like this fine - but Flass asked for it

And if you read my post thoroughly I'm going to be doing "more realsitic ones" from Reservoir dogs and Pulp fiction screen grabs of Roth laughing

Stop getting so upset and being a Dick Grayson about someones work

not just mine - but also dorkyfreshs original -

All I did was colour it and add a few effects lighting - the mouth is actually from a real picture of Conrad Vedts' "MAn Who Laughs" - but was too big for Roths face - So I scaled it down to his features
If you go back over my posts and look at most of my manips so far - most have been "Realistic" using real images or paintings from real images of the actors
faces/bodies

And there are worse offenders than me - But I respect their work cos they are having FUN

And life's for having fun

Stop being so anal

and look at these more Realistic ones of steve Buscemi and Marilyn Manson

BOTH of which have used NO or little alteration of the face

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/buscemiJoker2.bmp http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/deDIKnight/Mansonjoker1.jpg