Questions & Comments about the Star Wars Saga (past/present/future) [merged-15]

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I largely agree as well.

Episode III was definitely too rushed. EI could have been droped. I think Lucus was largely making it up as he went along and thats why EI was not tight and EIII was rushed. He left too much ground to cover in EIII.

That's what I do not understand.
He had,HOW MANY ****ING YEARS after ROTJ where he could've been working on the story,perfecting it.
But everytime a prequel came out,a few months before they started filming,he'd be interviewed and say,"Well,I just barely finished the first draft of the script.
Whadda Maroon. :rolleyes:

[Victor Von Doom]

His mistake was in making Anakin out be so "powerful" in the first place. All that talk of a chosen one and mitichlroines (sic). The impression I got from the original Star Wars was that Anakin was more like Luke. He grew up being a starship pilot and for some odd reason this "Clone Wars" business wasn't going so well and Obi-Wan tapped him to go on some "fool crusade" with him and taught him the ways of the Jedi in the process and because he couldn't train him as well as Yoda (implying Yoda didn't lose students; he's a freaking MASTER and Obi-Wan was only supposed to be a Jedi Knight and that's the whole POINT there).

Anakin wasn't supposed to be that powerful. He chose the QUICK and EASY path of the Dark Side as a SHORTCUT and was seduced by its power (not tricked into joining it to try and save his wife; that's not seduction AT ALL). It wasn't that he was so powerful, but that he betrayed the Jedi and helped the Emporer to make them extent and hunted them down (I didn't see any hunting happening there). He LOST against Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan was his master at the time and he wasn't fully trained. This movie makes Anakin out to be vastly superior to Obi-Wan at the onset and then he somehow loses anyway. Anakin completes his training with the Emporer according to the original Star Wars and Darth Vader says, "When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master" implying he got his butt kicked because he wasn't fully trained, but this movie makes him a full fledged bonafied fully trained Jedi Knight that Obi-Wan even admits is better (more talented) than him in his one little speech. It doesn't jive with the original movie dialogue and that's why it falls apart. It also needlessly puts that scientific chlorine cell crap in there that largely defeats the religious nature of the Force and turns it into science instead.

They also wasted the first movie showin him as a kid and there was NO need for that. Ep III is rushed to address all the REAL story elements for Ep. IV-VI and it's too much for one movie to do it right. There shouldn't have been a Phantom Menace as such and II and III should have been I, II and III to properly cover it all and Anakin should have turned MUCH sooner and lost and then trained as a Sith and destroyed the remaining Jedi (somehow avoiding Obi-Wan as Vader at that point to deal with the learner line). That's the way I see it, at least. I just find it ironic that Lucas is responsible for those very lines in the original Star Wars and yet he doesn't even seem to understand his own story anymore....
Credits go to Pacdude.


Post your thoughts,

KJ


I disagree with some of what you said but I agree with quite a bit. Episode 3 should have been episode 2. Episode 2 should have been better, and then made to be episode one. Maybe Anikin could have been a pilot in the acedemy or somthing, then padawaan after Obi-was insited to train him. Qui-gon shouldn't have existed on the silver screen. But I would keep a lot of the political things from two and three intact.

I do like the idea of a different ep 3 of Anikin hunting down the remaining Jedi as Darth Vader and Obi-Wan and Yoda trying to salvage what has gone wrong, but then after abismal failure after failure and the possible extinction of the Jedi, Yoda and Obiwan choose exile.

I really don't understand why they went into exile so quickly, but then again, if we saw Vader hunting down the remaining Jedi, we wouldn't get the Star Wars T.V. Show.

[spiderman boy]

I have a question for a story i've been writing. How old is:

Qui-Gon in Ep. 1?
Obi Wan in Ep. 2?
Count Dooku in Ep. 2?
Palpatine in Ep. 2?
Mace in Ep.2?

I need to know for a back story, so i needed to know their ages. help would be most appreciated.

[Victor Von Doom]

But really, the lava! What is with the recent love of lava in movies? We had it in Lord of the Rings and there it was somewhat realistic... but in ROTS it just went off the deep end. How toasty was it on those flows? Was the force protecting them from the heat? Bwahahaha. They said they wanted it to symbolicly reflect the fall to the dark side that Anikin had made. How not subtle.

[That-Guy]

My biggest question in Episode 3 was, who was General Grievous? Why didn't they give any background at all on him?

[Erzengel]

Watch the Clone Wars Vol 1 and 2.

[Victor Von Doom]

The colors of the lightsaber is created by the digital effects team. Lucas gave Luke the winning Green light saber at the end because it is his favorite color because of his afinity for kermit the frog.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, one of my biggest problems with the films was that in all of them, Anakin just seems too young. There WAS no need to have him as a kid in the first one, because by the time we see him as an adult in the third film, he just doesn't come off imposing or powerful enough to me the Man Who Would Be Vader. Hayden should have played Anakin in the first two films maybe, but for part 3, they should have either done SOMETHING more than not let him comb his hair to age him, or they should have hired an older actor.

[Rage]

It has been stated that Jedi use either Blue or green lightsabers by Lucas. Sam Jackson got a purple one as a favour from Lucas so Jackson could "Pick himself out in a crowd"

The Sith use Red lightsabers because they contrast the Blue and Green well on screen. That is the reason why they are like they are in our reality...the reason they are the color they are in the Star Wars Universe is the crystals.

The Jedi have a temple on some planet where they mine the crystals (blue and green) that the Sith have no idea where it is. I assume that the Sith artificially create their crystals giving them a different color and sound.

Rage

[DorkyFresh]

I mean most of the fights in AOTC, half the fights in ROTS, the fight in ANH, and most of the fight in ROTJ are not really fights. There is no calculated "strtegery" (I love our President, or not) in those fights. It is all showy.

The fight in TPM shows you can have a fast showy fight that is well planned, but for some reason the "ultimate battle" between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader in ROTS is mostly showy except when they use their hands and feet. The sabre strikes are rarely usable or realistc moves. They are aiming at each other's swords and not an actual target on the enemy.
VERY well said!!! In RotS, while you can see the emotion on the Obi Wan and Anakin's faces....you don't see it in their body movement. In Phantom Menace...you can see Obi Wan struggling to get a hit on Darth Maul and Darth Maul putting all of his effort into blocking Qui Gon's strikes. Plus...in Phantom Menace, you can see that Obi Wan, Qui Gon, and Darth Maul are all aiming for each other's BODY PARTS.....they're not aiming to hit each other's lightsabers......which is what it looks like in RotS.

[jdogg willie]

One of my drinking buddies pointed this out to me... in one of the books, (he didn't say which one) Padme raised Leia till she was 5-yrs-old, then she died. My drinkinng buddy says that explains the scene in ROTJ when Luke and Leia are on Endor talking about their mom:

"Do you remember your mother?"
"Vaguely. She died when I was very young."

[DACrowe]

Oh and there was high chatter in the ROTS Obi-Wan vs. Anakin fight though. Look at how they had a full conversation before the final go down. There was a lot of emotion in that fight. And it was eye-catching, but from a fight stand point rarely did they try and defeat the other. Every now and then there would be a well placed strike that was also perried fine, but most of it was twirling non-sense.

But it was cool looking and McGreggor and Christiansen put all their effort into it and it shows, so I let it slide.

[DACrowe]

I guess I could see that. But Anakin and Luke were obviously unimaginable power hence Obi-Wan tapping Luke when he matured.

But I like the wife angle. It was or would have been so boring if he goes "I want more power, and Obi-Wan is holding me back, I'll join you Palpatine!" That is how he was painted in AOTC and that is why the movie was not as good as it oculd have been, Anakin was too whiney and petulant.

I'm thankful he was a mature adult in ROTS and he did what he did to get the power he wanted so he could rule and save his wife. He only cared about power and her and wanted it then and didn't mind having to slaughter children to get it. That says a lot. It is more powerful that way that he did all for love though, did you never hear the phrase "The road to Hell is paved in good intentions?" That is what happened to Anakin Skywalker.

If he had just said "this is too hard, waaaaaaa, I want to be a Sith now" ROTS would have been a terrible movie.

Oh well.

[Backdrifter]

Oh and there was high chatter in the ROTS Obi-Wan vs. Anakin fight though. Look at how they had a full conversation before the final go down. There was a lot of emotion in that fight. And it was eye-catching, but from a fight stand point rarely did they try and defeat the other. Every now and then there would be a well placed strike that was also perried fine, but most of it was twirling non-sense.

But it was cool looking and McGreggor and Christiansen put all their effort into it and it shows, so I let it slide.
Yeah especially when they were flying over the lava and not being baked alive. :rolleyes:

[patrickbateman]

man my gf thinks MACE was in on Anakin turning to the dark side !!! she was like if shaft did try to kill the Emperor and do the jedi thing ie stand him up to trial blah blah
Anakin would go evil

i ofcourse told he that Mace was right since the Emperor had everyone on his side and trial wouldnt be in his favour

[DACrowe]

Oh and Anakin was not fully wise in ROTS. He was all power but he was too arrogant and undisplined. If he had listened to his master he would not have made the stupid mistake that cost his arm, legs, lungs, and good looks leaving him in the Vader suit. He had grown up and was far more controlled with his fighting. When he fought Luke in ESB he was not showy. He was catious and overbearingly powerful and whooped Luke's ass using the force and even put his lightsabre down at one point and let the force beat up on Luke.

He had more control and was not the arrogant youngster he was in the prequels.


I do agree that we should have used Ep. II as Ep. I and then made Ep. III Ep. II and III. II could have been about the end of the Clone Wars and he turns at the end and marches into the Jedi temple and it ends with that scene with the kids. Ep. III could be his hunting down of the Jedi Knights and of course his defeat on Mustafar at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi after he kills his wife (who would have had her children and hid them from Anakin with Obi-Wan, just fueling Anakin's anger in that scene).

[SuperFerret]

I think Hayden did a damn good job as Anakin/Vader. And if you look closely at his face during his fight with Obi-Wan, there are times when he looks like Mark Hammil.

[Dr.Fear]

I think Hayden did a damn good job as Anakin/Vader. And if you look closely at his face during his fight with Obi-Wan, there are times when he looks like Mark Hammil.

uhhhhh no.

[guitarsingerguy]

Do you feel that Jedi's keep too many secrets? Yoda knew it was Anakin and didn't come out and tell Obi-Wan. Yoda and Obi-Wan knew Vader was Luke's father.

Are they protecting them or keeping knowledge that they are not ready to learn?

I think it's a situation of not telling for the good of the person. Like they aren't ready to know it yet.

[guitarsingerguy]

But what about the yellow ones in the games?

[masteryoda]

Its rooted in beliefs from thousands of years ago and not practiced by any ordinary person even in the period 19 years prior. Sorry, but that can be considered "ancient".
Exactly, Christianity is an ancient religion even though people are still praticing it.



Bet the second and third pyramids were built quicker and easier than the first.


But they weren't built as well as the previous. Sorry I know that has nothing to do with anything but I'm a pyramid geek. :o But you're right the engineers would have gotten better at building it just by trial and error from the first.

[gspot]

Lucas has told us alot of stuff.

Gee i remember when he told us he was going to do a 9 chapter movie serial called Star Wars.

Then it was 3. He was done with Star Wars after 3 - no more no less.

Then it was 6 - Six films and he would be done with it.

And Indiana Jones was only going to have 3 films. RIIIGHHHTT. Except the fourth one they are writing now. Oh - and 4 will be the last one. Sure. uh huh.

Well - Lucas isn't all knowing. He's not a God - so you can stop worshipping at his idol.

But if you are going to insist on taking his word as bible - then you might consider reevaluating your thinking, friend. Cuz no one gets to play with Lucas' toys without his permission. That means - the comics, the books, the TV series - it's all been approved by Lucas - it's part of the canon too. It's all part of the franchise known as Star Wars. You can't pick your favorite stories and ignore the ones that don't agree with your point of view.

And when they contradict each other - that's his fault as well.

So YEAH - Luke becomes the Emperor's apprentice. He does succumb to the dark side. Leia does save him and the Sith DOES exist beyond the end of ROTJ. Lucas signed off on it. It happens. Anakin does not balance the force by killing the Emperor - cuz The Emperor is not killed by Vader's hand - Luke and Leia kill him long after Vader is dead. It's in the Star Wars Encyclopedia. He lives. It's not filth - it's fact. Your word.

So balancing the force may just refer to something else and you are more than welcome to ignore whatever you want to - but that won't make it disappear.

[hitmanyr2k]

uhhhhh no.

Actually he does. I was so disgusted with EP3 I forgot to mention it but during his fight with Obi-Wan I did see a strong resemblance to Mark Hamill. It was freaky.

[LastSunrise1981]

uhhhhh no.

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/240/starwarsepisode3_240_001.jpg

http://www.melemarce.com/Miti_passati/Immagini/MarkHamill_starwarsprima1.jpg

You were saying?

[CobraCommander]

I'll agree with that.

A well-written in-depth examination of this issue can be read here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=414961

That post was brilliant and I couldn't agree more with it.

Hey, I liked Revenge of the Sith a great deal. But the prequels are heavily flawed, and ROTS is no exception.

Everyone click that link and read. Great stuff.

[SuperFerret]

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/240/starwarsepisode3_240_001.jpg

http://www.melemarce.com/Miti_passati/Immagini/MarkHamill_starwarsprima1.jpg

You were saying?

I was saying they look enough alike to be father and son. Look at the eyes, and the brow and nose, even their face shapes are the same.



Though the "son" is older than the "father". Portman also bears a slight resemblance to Leia. I wonder if this was intentional.

[Golgo-13]

Everybodys forgeting that the PT duels and the OT duels 'must' look different. In the PT the Jedi are in their prime and that's how they were trained to fight.Their training is probaly as hardcore as the Navy Seals is. In the OT, luke didn't recieve the same kind of training that was taught in the days when the Jedi temple existed, Ob 1 was old and couldn't move like he used to, and Vader was now half machine so he too couldn't pull off the same saber moves either....

[masteryoda]

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/240/starwarsepisode3_240_001.jpg

http://www.melemarce.com/Miti_passati/Immagini/MarkHamill_starwarsprima1.jpg

You were saying?
I see the resemblance.

[LastSunrise1981]

I was saying they look enough alike to be father and son. Look at the eyes, and the brow and nose, even their face shapes are the same.



Though the "son" is older than the "father". Portman also bears a slight resemblance to Leia. I wonder if this was intentional.

I think it was. When you think about it, when parents have kids the son/daughter tends to have the resemblance of both or one of the parents.

I believe it was very intentional in that sense, you know?

[Matt]

Me too. I actually think that Lucas did an OK job tieing up the Darth Vader story. There are the problems raised by the thread starter, but still not bad. Certainly not brillant either.

But really, the lava! What is with the recent love of lava in movies? We had it in Lord of the Rings and there it was somewhat realistic... but in ROTS it just went off the deep end. How toasty was it on those flows? Was the force protecting them from the heat?

Lucas' panel at a Star Wars convention:

Lucas: I'll take questions now...

Fan: How come Obi Wan says Anakin was a great pilot when he met him..but Anakin was a child in Episode I who accidentially flew a Naboo fighter?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan #2: How do you explain Leia knowing her mother in ROTJ but Padme dying in ROTS?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: What about the lava? The sheer heat would've killed them without ever touching it.

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: bu...but..

Lucas: POWER...OF...THE...FORCE!

Fan # 3: (Sighs and sits down)

Lucas: hehehehe (puts his feet up and lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill)

[Spidey-Bat]

they do have a slight resemblance.


I agree with some others. Ep I was pointless. Ep II should have been I, II be III, and III extend after Anakin kills Mace Windu. I also would have had Maul fight Anakin and be killed by Yoda (in the Geonosis Hanger). Then have Dooku be in III and have him and Anakin fight on Mustafar in front of the Seperatists.

[SuperFerret]

Lucas' panel at a Star Wars convention:

Lucas: I'll take questions now...

Fan: How come Obi Wan says Anakin was a great pilot when he met him..but Anakin was a child in Episode I who accidentially flew a Naboo fighter?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan #2: How do you explain Leia knowing her mother in ROTJ but Padme dying in ROTS?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: What about the lava? The sheer heat would've killed them without ever touching it.

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: bu...but..

Lucas: POWER...OF...THE...FORCE!

Fan # 3: (Sighs and sits down)

Lucas: hehehehe (puts his feet up and lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill)


Did anyone else picture Will Sasso's portrayal of Lucas?

[CobraCommander]

Luke Vs. Vader, in both ESB and ROTJ. Emotional as hell. And the strikes had weight and force behind them, unlike the prequels where it's just swinging and cutting.

That said, the dual in TPM was amazing, as was The Dual in ROTS. Hearing Obi-Wan tell Anakin he loved him, only to have Anakin yell "I HATE YOU" was sad. But hearing Luke scream "DARTH!" and proceeding to unleash his anger and viceral side on his father he was trying to save was one of the most amazing moments of the entire Star Wars saga. Watching him SLAM on Vader while he's down with hate in his eye... That's a moment that nothing in the prequels touches.

[Darthphere]

I'm so ****ing sick of hearing that. Lucas always puts down the EU saying it's not official, but when he gets the big ass pay check from it, he has no problem stickin out his hand and taking that. It's extremely hypocritical.

And before someone calls me an EU fanboy, I've never even read the EU books.


Lucas has money, get over it and move on with your life.

[Spidey-Bat]

But why did Anakin still have a blue one once he turned to the Sith? I think it would have made him a lot more evil and intimidating if he had a red one; just my opinion. I personally think the only reason he didn't is because a red lightsaber wouldn't have stood out as much against the red lava backdrop.

He knew he would fight obi-wan, so he kept the blue one b/c he knows we've never seen a Blue vs Blue fight.

[Pink Ranger]

The light saber blades are usually 3 to 4 ft. in length, but what keeps them from going on & on?

I think the length is determined by how tender your grip is and how cold your hands are . . .

[Swordmaster]

He knew he would fight obi-wan, so he kept the blue one b/c he knows we've never seen a Blue vs Blue fight.

That, and the fact it would have been impossible to see the red on Mustafar.

[Timstuff]

Guys I think he meant just re-record the same music, not change the music.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

[The Lumberjack]

That, and the fact it would have been impossible to see the red on Mustafar.
Also, Anakin keeping the blue saber explains where Ben Kenobi got the lightsaber he gave to Luke.

[gspot]

*Ahem*

A "Blue lightsaber blade generated via traditional Jedi crystals is more maneuverable but slightly less powerful than a blade using synthetic Sith crystals."

source - SW AOTC Visual Dictionary

I have no idea what the advantages of green or purple are. But apparently blue are more maneuverable and red are more powerful - yet less maneuverable.

:)

[the_ultimate_evil]

what if you took shards of all the crystals would you get a rainbow one or just a brown sh**y one

[The Lumberjack]

what if you took shards of all the crystals would you get a rainbow one or just a brown sh**y one
I think this applies towards the "what if" category:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Lumberjack1627/General/LightsaberErrors.jpg

[gregtestagent]

I wish they had clear light-sabres. no color to it. it just looks white.

[The Lumberjack]

I wish they had clear light-sabres. no color to it. it just looks white.
I thought they had those in KOTOR 2.

[<(o_o)>]

*Ahem*

A "Blue lightsaber blade generated via traditional Jedi crystals is more maneuverable but slightly less powerful than a blade using synthetic Sith crystals."

source - SW AOTC Visual Dictionary

I have no idea what the advantages of green or purple are. But apparently blue are more maneuverable and red are more powerful - yet less maneuverable.

:)

The lightsabers all must give off a tremendous amount of heat because Qui-Gon-Jinn was burning through those steel doors at the beginning of Phantom Menace like they were nothing with his lightsaber. They must come in very handy when welding things together.

[Backdrifter]

well i think they should add the imperial march to IV because not its the only movie that doesnt have it.

[Spidey-Bat]

In terms of meaning and emotion, I would say Vader vs Luke in ESB. Luke is fighting the man who killed his mentor, father, and the jedi. Essentially, his greatest enemy who he hates. In ROTJ, he is easy on him.

I also like Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH. It's different after seeing ROTS. It is the way they should fight. No twirls or jumps as mentioned.

In tearms of acrobatics, I think Qui Gon/Obi-Wan vs Maul. Maul and Qui-Gon make it great. PLus it takes place in a cool place. I also enjoyed the force-face-off between Yoda and Sidious. When Yoda is holding the lightening and then turns his head back towards Palpatine, i think that's when he realizes that he has to do that. I think he goes too easy on Palpatine. If Windu almost killed him when he was more fit, Yoda (more powerful than Windu) should have killed the weakened Emperor.

[Philly Phanboy]

I've got to go with Episode 1. The Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul fight was easily the best lightsaber duel of the series.

Ray Park is the man. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Matt]

Lucas has money, get over it and move on with your life.

Yea, I'm aware...all I am saying is it's really hypocritical to sit around and trash books that you authorized and make money off of.

[Skaigear2]

Best - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. III)

Worse - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. IV)

[Spidey-Bat]

Best - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. III)

Worse - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. IV)

Just b/c it isn't flashy enough doesn't mean it sucks.

[Dr. MIX]

Just b/c it isn't flashy enough doesn't mean it sucks.Flashy or not, it was rather lame...

[dpm07]

Ok, in the annals of the Star Wars universe, most notably between the episodes Star Wars: Phantom Menace through Star Wars: ROTJ how do the council as well as the Sith and the apprentices match up in terms of power?

I always got the vibe that Yoda, Mace, and Ki-Adi-Mundi were the more powerful Jedi. However, where does Qui Gon Jinn, Maul, Emperor, Obi-Won, Dooku, and the rest both good and bad fit in? How would they all be ranked?

[Victor Von Doom]

Lucas: hehehehe (puts his feet up and lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill) Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[snap-hiss]

It really depends on what point exactly on the timeline you want to take a sample from. Obi Wan and Anakin's power waxes and wanes through the course of the six films, so you'll get a much different answer depending on when you take the sample. One thing we can do, however, is rank each character according to how strong they are at their most powerful.

Sidious
Yoda
Mace
Dooku
Obi Wan
Maul
Qui Gon
Ki Adi Mundi
other council members

Now Anakin is hard to judge. He defeats Dooku, but is defeated by Obi Wan who is resoundingly beaten by Dooku twice... so Anakin would have to go somewhere in the top five, but as to where... I can't really say.

As for some of the other close calls... Yoda and Sidious are obviously very evenly matched... however I give the edge to Sids. Same goes for Dooku and Mace, I feel Mace is stronger.

!snap

[hitmanyr2k]

I'll agree with that.

A well-written in-depth examination of this issue can be read here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=414961

Wow...it can't be said any better than that. I can't believe he put that much thought into the post lol.

[pickleweed]

aside from what everyone else mentioned - his biggest mistake was focusing on how the empire was created. no one gives two pieces of **** about some fish/lizard things with asian accents and their stupid lightsaber practice droids. or senseless bickering by senators. the focus should have been on anakin's turn. not palpatines rise.

[CrAzYMoFo]

I don't really agree with that. Even though Obi-Wan was not Anakin's "master" in the sense that he was still a padawan, Anakin was still learning from Obi-Wan. Also, if you notice, at the end of the movie he got his ass kicked because he was not as knowledgable as Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan would have never tried to make the jump that he did, he said it himself.

[DorkyFresh]

Just b/c it isn't flashy enough doesn't mean it sucks.
The choreography was lame...

...some may say that they fight the way they're SUPPOSED to fight (like Samurai's) but if you watch it again, Obi Wan does a slow twirl near the beginning of the fight. It may have been the first ever lightsaber duel, but it also is the least energetic and inspired.

[hitmanyr2k]

Obi-Wan would have never tried to make the jump that he did, he said it himself.

Obi-wan made a very similar move against Maul. Lucky for him Maul just stood there like a dumbass while Obi-wan flipped over his head and cut him in half.

[DorkyFresh]

Obi-wan made a very similar move against Maul. Lucky for him Maul just stood there like a dumbass while Obi-wan flipped over his head and cut him in half.
Yes, but Obi Wan was still a padawan....not to mention, Darth Maul wasn't expecting that to happen...

...Obi Wan knew the only way the fight could continue is if Anakin jumped.

[pickleweed]

The choreography was lame...

...some may say that they fight the way they're SUPPOSED to fight (like Samurai's) but if you watch it again, Obi Wan does a slow twirl near the beginning of the fight. It may have been the first ever lightsaber duel, but it also is the least energetic and inspired.


i'd rather have that than another jumpgin yoda scene.

[DorkyFresh]

I didn't like Yoda jumping around like a rubber ball either....but rather having the original Obi Wan vs Vader duel than Yoda jumping around doesn't necessarily make the choreography in the Obi Wan vs Vader duel good.

[Matt]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The sad part is it's so true :(

[pickleweed]

I didn't like Yoda jumping around like a rubber ball either....but it rather having the original Obi Wan vs Vader duel than Yoda jumping around doesn't necessarily make the choreography in the Obi Wan vs Vader duel good.

it does if the new choreography is worse.

the only duel worth its weight in the new trilogy is the darth maul fight.

[DorkyFresh]

it does if the new choreography is worse.
Even if they replaced the current choreography with WORSE choreography....it STILL wouldn't make the original choreography GOOD.

the only duel worth its weight in the new trilogy is the darth maul fight.
now...THAT'S something i can TOTALLY agree with...

[hey yo its sean]

On the topic of PT duels.. The first time i saw Windu vs. Palpatine, to be honest, i thought it was hella balls; but looking back, it's very reminiscent of the duels of the OT. Not overly flashy, not at all very fast, but somehow powerful.

[DorkyFresh]

I probably would've liked it better if there were more far shots. I'll have to watch it a 3rd time to really see if I like it or not. :D

The big problem with the duels in the prequels (except for Phantom Menace) is that most of the shots are up close and you can barely see the actors' movements.

[hey yo its sean]

I probably would've liked it better if there were more far shots. I'll have to watch it a 3rd time to really see if I like it or not. :D

The big problem with the duels in the prequels (except for Phantom Menace) is that most of the shots are up close and you can barely see the actors' movements.

It's because alot of the big duels involve at least one old person that couldn't swing a sabre for fear of breaking a hip.

[DorkyFresh]

I wonder what made Lucas want to direct all 3 prequels...

[Honey Vibe]

Now they're going into the future. There will be new characters, but I hope the beloved heroes of episodes 4-5-6 will come back and be a part of the new story arc too. Especially Mark Hamill. Eps I-III are cool with lightsabers and ships and stars and all, but I don't know what it is: the lack of Luke Skywalker gives them an automatic merit deduction. I didn't realize how essential this character is to Star Wars, until I saw a fantastic Star Wars film without him (Episode III).

And not to hi-jack my own topic from the get-go, but did anyone else sense an empty chair where Luke sat? Did anyone else think, maybe COMPLETELY unconsciously, where's Luke?

[Rage]

You're speaking as though episodes VII - IX are a fore gone conclusion. From what I've heard...Lucas has no intention of making those movies. Maybe you've heard something I haven't.

On the off chance that they do make these movies...they will have to re-cast as the entire cast is too old now.

Rage

[Rage]

and hey...Luke was in Ep.III :D

Rage

[swifty]

mark hamill, harrison ford, carrie fisher and the late Sir. Alec Guiness were born to play their parts in Star Wars. Their dialogue and acting had such natural flow. As for the special effects, the OT looked so much more realistic, I mean cgi is great and all if used properly like in the Ring Trilogy which looked perfect. The cgi used in the prequels looked obvious which is unfortunate.

[DorkyFresh]

urgh......

a thread like this was already made...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5739783&postcount=42

...and combined into this thread...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177895&page=1&pp=25

[Punisher 04]

mark hamill, harrison ford, carrie fisher and the late Sir. Alec Guiness were born to play their parts in Star Wars. Their dialogue and acting had such natural flow. As for the special effects, the OT looked so much more realistic, I mean cgi is great and all if used properly like in the Ring Trilogy which looked perfect. The cgi used in the prequels looked obvious which is unfortunate.


Very true, the prequels CGI look more like a video game rather than looking real.

[Roughneck]

Were the Storm Troopers from the OT all clones as well?

[logansoldcigar]

And as for Jedi still being alive, i can see there being a good amount. I mean hey, they got 20 years to hun em down. I'll say 50.

I think you are right. that way, he gets to devote half of the episodes of the TV show as jedi hunts, letting us poor plebs see some more saber rattling.

[snap-hiss]

I wonder what made Lucas want to direct all 3 prequels...

He didn't have the same bad experience he had with the first film, so he decided to keep going this time.

!snap

[snap-hiss]

1) There will be no more episodes
2) Harrison Ford would never do it
3) Carrie might
4) Did I mention no chance of more episodes?

!snap

[Knightsaber Priss]

There will be no more Star Wars movies.

[snap-hiss]

There will be no more Star Wars movies.

There will be no more films as a part of the saga... there is a difference.

!snap

[Knightsaber Priss]

There will be no more films as a part of the saga... there is a difference.

!snap

Well, I think Lucas will be plying most of his attention to the TV series than movies now.

[Jochimus]

Now they're going into the future. There will be new characters, but I hope the beloved heroes of episodes 4-5-6 will come back and be a part of the new story arc too. Especially Mark Hamill. Eps I-III are cool with lightsabers and ships and stars and all, but I don't know what it is: the lack of Luke Skywalker gives them an automatic merit deduction. I didn't realize how essential this character is to Star Wars, until I saw a fantastic Star Wars film without him (Episode III).

And not to hi-jack my own topic from the get-go, but did anyone else sense an empty chair where Luke sat? Did anyone else think, maybe COMPLETELY unconsciously, where's Luke?

1. Lucas has said there will be NO VII, VIII or IX, so there's reason to assume there will be no matter how greedy he may be. Of course, he may end up changing his mind, not that that would be surprising, but for the time being there is no word from Skywalker Ranch about a third trilogy. They say it's not gonna happen, so for now, it's not gonna happen.

2. Anakin Skywalker is the central character of the film portion of the saga, and he's dead now. The real villain of the movies, Senator/Chancellor/Emperor/Darth Palpatine/Sidious/Whoever, is also dead. So that might complicate things for a third trilogy. They capped Chewie in the books, as per Lucasfilm's approval. And since Alec Guiness has passed on in real life, the obligatory appearance of Obi-Wan Kenobi in a Star Wars movie would be somewhat unlikely. All we'll have carrying over from the rest of the series are Artoo and Threepio.

3. Harrison Ford is already looking like a fossil and I'm not looking forward to Indy 4 just based on this. Carrie Fisher probably has some 'issues' stemming from her involvement in Star Wars and going from slave-girl outfit to her present, um, physical stature is gonna be something of a dropoff. The only 'veteran' i see getting involved in a new Star Wars trilogy is Mark Hamill, only because you can throw any sci-fi or comic project at him and he'll grab it like a dog after a bone.

4. We've seen the rise of the Empire and its fall. And Lucas' obliviousness to the comic and novel stories is not entirely unsympathetic; there are simply too damn many of them for a casual fan to keep track of (kind of like Star Trek). Any third trilogy would probably be as ignorant of these stories as the prequels were, which would just tick off ardent fans even more.

Bottom line: a third Star Wars trilogy is a nice idea...but I wouldn't be utterly heartbroken if it didn't happen.

[The Caped Knight]

Best - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. III)

Worse - Darth Vader vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ep. IV)

:up:

[That-Guy]

Hey did it ever annoy anyone else that in some of the Star Wars novelizations and other books they spelled C-3P0 and R-2D2 as Seethreepio and Artoodeetoo?

[Golgo-13]

Does anybody have the soundtrack? I really like the score that was played during order 66/the purge..is that on the soundtrack?

Well?

[logansoldcigar]

Lucas' panel at a Star Wars convention:

Lucas: I'll take questions now...

Fan: How come Obi Wan says Anakin was a great pilot when he met him..but Anakin was a child in Episode I who accidentially flew a Naboo fighter?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan #2: How do you explain Leia knowing her mother in ROTJ but Padme dying in ROTS?

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: What about the lava? The sheer heat would've killed them without ever touching it.

Lucas: Power of the force.

Fan # 3: bu...but..

Lucas: POWER...OF...THE...FORCE!

Fan # 3: (Sighs and sits down)

Lucas: hehehehe (puts his feet up and lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill)
just to point out, Obi-wan never says anakin was a great star pilot when he met him. he just says "He was the best star pilot in the galaxy...and a cunning warrior"(I was bored this afternoon, and as I have the theatrical editions on DVD, i decided to watch ANH..I was surprised he didnt say "when I met him")
as for the other bits, the mother question, why not, and the lava thing..well, if you believe in the laws of physics being broken by, amongst other things, the existence of lightsabers, why is that an issue?

[JackBauer]

just to point out, Obi-wan never says anakin was a great star pilot when he met him. he just says "He was the best star pilot in the galaxy...and a cunning warrior"(I was bored this afternoon, and as I have the theatrical editions on DVD, i decided to watch ANH..I was surprised he didnt say "when I met him")
as for the other bits, the mother question, why not, and the lava thing..well, if you believe in the laws of physics being broken by, amongst other things, the existence of lightsabers, why is that an issue?

from ROTJ: "When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."

[logansoldcigar]

he was, he was able to win a pod race...something no other human could do or had done. he was the only human who could do it.

but he never says he was a great star pilot when he met him.

[roach]

from ROTJ: "When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."


not much changed...from a certain point of view.

[roach]

from ROTJ: "When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."


from a certain pint of view that happened

sorry dbl post

[JackBauer]

from a certain pint of view that happened

in TPM, the kid was a good podracer (and that was the very first race he'd won), and a VERY lucky pilot (oh yeah, it wasn't luck, the force guided him :rolleyes: ). why the hell would Obi-Wan have to twist the truth about that?!

[DorkyFresh]

Actually....Anakin didn't show his piloting skills until Revenge of the Sith so I don't know why he'd say that he was a good pilot when Obi Wan FIRST met Anakin.

[JackBauer]

Actually....Anakin didn't show his piloting skills until Revenge of the Sith so I don't know why he'd say that he was a good pilot when Obi Wan FIRST met Anakin.

I know... IT'S A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!

[roach]

in TPM, the kid was a good podracer (and that was the very first race he'd won), and a VERY lucky pilot (oh yeah, it wasn't luck, the force guided him :rolleyes: ). why the hell would Obi-Wan have to twist the truth about that?!

because he was the only human to able to podrace....I imagine that the jockeys who podrace are called pilots.
Yeah why wouldnt Obi-wan just tell Luke the truth about his father

[JackBauer]

because he was the only human to able to podrace....I imagine that the jockeys who podrace are called pilots.
Yeah why wouldnt Obi-wan just tell Luke the truth about his father

please, don't even TRY to pretend that his father being a good pilot or not is the same thing as his father being Darth f***in Vader.

[Spider-Fan]

Really, not much changes. He must be a good pilot to podrace, as stated, but he also keeps himself alive in the Naboo space battle. Remember, he took control after R2 turns off the auto pilot. So, I say he was a GOOD pilot, but not a GREAT pilot. So, Obi-Won's comments still hold true.

[Daisy]

He didn't have the same bad experience he had with the first film, so he decided to keep going this time.

!snap

He didn't originally want to direct them himself.

In a recent EW, Lucas says that he asked Steven Spielberg to direct one and Ron Howard to direct another one, but that they both turned him down telling him that he had to get back in the saddle and direct again, which he was reluctant to do.

[hey yo its sean]

He didn't originally want to direct them himself.

In a recent EW, Lucas says that he asked Steven Spielberg to direct one and Ron Howard to direct another one, but that they both turned him down telling him that he had to get back in the saddle and direct again, which he was reluctant to do.

Interesting.. I would've liked to have seen both Howard's and Spielberg's takes on the PT.

[Erzengel]

In imdb there is some dialogue between Greivous and Mace Windu. Was this cut out of the film?

[Daisy]

In imdb there is some dialogue between Greivous and Mace Windu. Was this cut out of the film?

I think it's a mistake. It should be Obi-Wan, not Mace.

Even in the script I have before the edits (like Yoda landing on Dagobah and the Senate "rebellion" discussion with Bail, Padme, etc.) there's no place where Mace and Grievous interact.

[Erzengel]

That was the only that bothered me in ROTS. I wanted Obi Wan to take Luke and drop off Yoda before they went to Tatooine.

Thus the whole, "There's something familiar about this place."

[Angelus103]

i want tO know what happen To the empire after e3 becaUSE he doesnt show up into e6

[Erzengel]

Do you mean the Emperor?

He's mentioned in Episode IV.
You see him in hologram form and he's mentioned again in Episode V.

[Daisy]

That was the only that bothered me in ROTS. I wanted Obi Wan to take Luke and drop off Yoda before they went to Tatooine.

Thus the whole, "There's something familiar about this place."

I think even in the script that ended up on the net Yoda took a separate ship to Dagobah.

I really did want to see that though. :( Perhaps on the DVD. :)

[The Caped Knight]

I really wanted to see this part in the movie. (The Qui-Gon & Yoda talk)

STAR WARS EPISODE III (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/270/pg494sx.jpg)

[Angelus103]

Do you mean the Emperor?

He's mentioned in Episode IV.
You see him in hologram form and he's mentioned again in Episode V.


yeah thanks

[Spidey-Bat]

I really wanted to see this part in the movie. (The Qui-Gon & Yoda talk)

STAR WARS EPISODE III (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/270/pg494sx.jpg)

I like that:up:

A Whill is what Yoda is right?

[<(o_o)>]

Does James Earl Jones do the Vader voice in the Burger King commercials? The commercial with Vader & the Burger King facing off is funny, so is the one were Vader actually talks, he shows at this guys door & says, "Luke I am Your Father" & then he says, "Brandon I am Your Uncle" trying to get some of the guys money he had won from the Burger King sweepstakes. Still these commercials turn Vader into a mockery of the person we originally came to know him as.

[snap-hiss]

I like that:up:

A Whill is what Yoda is right?

No.

!snap

[Spidey-Bat]

No.

!snap

Then what is he?

[Erzengel]

They never officially say what Yoda's species is.

[Spidey-Bat]

not even in the EU (even though I disregard it save some exceptions)

[Erzengel]

Not even in the EU.

[Spidey-Bat]

wow. That's suprising. They've added to just about every character but him.

[Kevin Roegele]

Why didn't Yoda and/or Obi-Wan SAY to Luke, "And don't forget, block Force lightening with your lightsaber?"

[Matt]

I really wanted to see this part in the movie. (The Qui-Gon & Yoda talk)

STAR WARS EPISODE III (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/270/pg494sx.jpg)

This has to be asked....

WHO THE HELL CUTS LIAM NESSONS SCENES? SERIOUSLY!?!?! IT'S LIAM NESSON!!!!!

[Matt]

He didn't originally want to direct them himself.

In a recent EW, Lucas says that he asked Steven Spielberg to direct one and Ron Howard to direct another one, but that they both turned him down telling him that he had to get back in the saddle and direct again, which he was reluctant to do.

Niow that could've been great.

[Kevin Roegele]

Here's something else that doesn't make sense; Yoda told Obi-Wan he needed training to learn to contact Qui-Gon. But Luke didn't have any, and he had no problems contacting Obi-Wan when Obi-Wan became a ghost.

[Erzengel]

Luke knows how to do a lot of stuff especially since the only think Obi Wan taught him was blocking blaster shots and that the force can obey his commands.

[The Green Goblin]

Here's something else that doesn't make sense; Yoda told Obi-Wan he needed training to learn to contact Qui-Gon. But Luke didn't have any, and he had no problems contacting Obi-Wan when Obi-Wan became a ghost.


When did Luke contact Obi-Wan? :confused:

Obi-Wan always came to him, which he would have learned how from Qui-Gon.

Obi-Wan wasn't like that little green dude on the Flinstones, just call him and there he is. :D

[Kevin Roegele]

When did Luke contact Obi-Wan? :confused:

Obi-Wan always came to him, which he would have learned how from Qui-Gon.

Obi-Wan wasn't like that little green dude on the Flinstones, just call him and there he is. :D

So why didn't Qui-Gon just contact Obi-Wan in Episode III? Why does Obi-Wan have to practice before he can talk to Qui-Gon, whereas Yoda didn't, and Luke didn't either when he talked to Obi-Wan?

[Erzengel]

Maybe Yoda forsaw Obi Wan's death and thought he'd need Obi-Wan to contact Luke?

[guitarsingerguy]

So why didn't Qui-Gon just contact Obi-Wan in Episode III? Why does Obi-Wan have to practice before he can talk to Qui-Gon, whereas Yoda didn't, and Luke didn't either when he talked to Obi-Wan?

His training Yoda spoke of was to learn to become one with the force, not to speak to Qui Gon. He said something along the lines of, "On Tatooine, training I have for you. From your old master." "Qui Gon?!" "Immortal through the force, he has discovered we can become." Something like that. The training was for him to learn to become one with the force.

[Kevin Roegele]

His training Yoda spoke of was to learn to become one with the force, not to speak to Qui Gon. He said something along the lines of, "On Tatooine, training I have for you. From your old master." "Qui Gon?!" "Immortal through the force, he has discovered we can become." Something like that. The training was for him to learn to become one with the force.

Okay, so why doesn't Qui-Gon just tell Obi-Wan this himself (I mean in the context of the story, I know Neeson was not around to film it)?

[guitarsingerguy]

Okay, so why doesn't Qui-Gon just tell Obi-Wan this himself (I mean in the context of the story, I know Neeson was not around to film it)?

Obviously this is all speculation, but perhaps Qui Gon was still early in his findings himself. Perhaps he had figured out how to converse with Yoda, and Yoda alone at that point. Perhaps because Yoda was so much more powerful with the Force that it was just easier for him to link up with.

[Kevin Roegele]

Obviously this is all speculation, but perhaps Qui Gon was still early in his findings himself. Perhaps he had figured out how to converse with Yoda, and Yoda alone at that point. Perhaps because Yoda was so much more powerful with the Force that it was just easier for him to link up with.

Fair enough.

[LarryLegend]

[QUOTE


Obi-Wan wasn't like that little green dude on the Flinstones, just call him and there he is. :D[/QUOTE]

LMAO

[guitarsingerguy]

Fair enough.

Fact of the matter is noone really knows. Obviously it wasn't explained real well. If you haven't read the novel though I suggest you do so. I enjoyed the movie, but he novel was twice as good. It does also clear a few things up, and fill in a few holes.

[roach]

Why didn't Yoda and/or Obi-Wan SAY to Luke, "And don't forget, block Force lightening with your lightsaber?"

Because Luke wasnt suppose to fight the Emperor. His mission was to confront Vader and get him to the Light side

[Matt]

ISince this is general comments...I must always admit...I've always wondered where the "Ben" in "Ben Kenobi" came from. If it was just a random name pulled from his ass or if it had relevance.

[Erzengel]

It kinda makes sense because he's called Obi-Wan until he get's to Tatooine. When he was out and about he probably just changed it to Ben just in case the Empire had ears on that planet.

[Matt]

It kinda makes sense because he's called Obi-Wan until he get's to Tatooine. When he was out and about he probably just changed it to Ben just in case the Empire had ears on that planet.

Yea, I know...I was just pondering if there is any reason he specifically chose Ben or if it was just random.

[snap-hiss]

So why didn't Qui-Gon just contact Obi-Wan in Episode III? Why does Obi-Wan have to practice before he can talk to Qui-Gon, whereas Yoda didn't, and Luke didn't either when he talked to Obi-Wan?

Do you seriously need everything spelled out for you? ROTS explained too much already.

!snap

[Golgo-13]

Everybody's whining about the Qui Gonn thing. I personally don't know why the force ghost thing was even brought up. When the OT came out, nobody questioned it, so why all of a sudden with the release of the PT is it an issue? It only adds more confusion. I just assumed that they came back through the force as everyone else did when we first saw the OT, the Qui Gonn thing just ****s things up, especially since it adds speculation to why Anakin appears in force ghost form when he apparently hasn't learnt the trick as OB 1 did, and Yoda.....

[snap-hiss]

Everybody's whining about the Qui Gonn thing. I personally don't know why the force ghost thing was even brought up. When the OT came out, nobody questioned it, so why all of a sudden with the release of the PT is it an issue?

Because people think they need everything spelled out in black and white, and can't think for themselves.

!snap

[Golgo-13]

It just dug up a whole other can of worms. For a none SW fan seeing the movies..the line about Qui Gonn returning from the Netherworld of the Force doesn't explain a damn thing, imo!

[Spidey-Bat]

It just dug up a whole other can of worms. For a none SW fan seeing the movies..the line about Qui Gonn returning from the Netherworld of the Force doesn't explain a damn thing, imo!

when my dad heard it, he thought Qui-Gon came back from the dead. I had to explain to him what it really meant.

[Golgo-13]

...exactly Spidey Boy.

[snap-hiss]

...exactly Spidey Boy.

I'm sorry, but when people don't comprehend films it's not the filmaker's fault. I personally don't want to watch films made for dumb people, if I did I'd watch Fast and the Furious. Good films make you think. They make you ask questions afterward.

!snap

[Golgo-13]

Then explain how Anakin knows how to use the force ghost technique? And don't give me that chosen one crap, thats a cheap cop out....

[snap-hiss]

Then explain how Anakin knows how to use the force ghost technique? And don't give me that chosen one crap, thats a cheap cop out....

Because it's not the person who dies that performs the act, obviously. When Obi Wan dies Qui Gon is the one who does the act that allows Obi Wan to appear as a spirit. With Yoda it was either Obi Wan or Qui Gon, with Anakin it was one of the three. This is obvious if you watched ROTS.

!snap

[Golgo-13]

Because it's not the person who dies that performs the act, obviously. When Obi Wan dies Qui Gon is the one who does the act that allows Obi Wan to appear as a spirit. With Yoda it was either Obi Wan or Qui Gon, with Anakin it was one of the three. This is obvious if you watched ROTS.

!snap

That is the biggest, hottest, steaming pile of crap i have ever smelt...where in ROTS was that obvious?

[Daisy]

Because it's not the person who dies that performs the act, obviously. When Obi Wan dies Qui Gon is the one who does the act that allows Obi Wan to appear as a spirit. With Yoda it was either Obi Wan or Qui Gon, with Anakin it was one of the three. This is obvious if you watched ROTS.

!snap

No, that wasn't at all obvious. The implication was that Qui Gon reached Yoda and helped him learn how to join with the force when he was still living, and that a combination of Yoda and Qui Gon were going to do the same thing for Obi-Wan. That explains why the two of them came back as force-ghosts, but not Anakin. They learned when they were still alive.

I DO understand why Lucas included the force ghost thing. It's another irony. Anakin turned to the dark side to learn how to "preserve life", and then it turns out his original teacher (and other Jedi) from whom he turned are the ones who actually end up with the power to essentially do that very thing.

It does, however, beget the question of how Anakin then learned how to do it. You can say that Yoda and Obi-Wan came and "led" him as he died, but that does require a leap of faith rather than an explanation from the films.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm sorry, but when people don't comprehend films it's not the filmaker's fault. I personally don't want to watch films made for dumb people, if I did I'd watch Fast and the Furious. Good films make you think. They make you ask questions afterward.

!snap

Not all people have the time to search online for all information on star wars and discuss it on message boards. Some people have jobs and familys to attend to and cannot research and ponder such topics as Star Wars. Just b/c they take certain obligations over learning about a movie, doesn't make them stupid. In the case of my dad, it was a meer misinterpretation. It did not make him stupid.

[Daisy]

I'm sorry, but when people don't comprehend films it's not the filmaker's fault. I personally don't want to watch films made for dumb people, if I did I'd watch Fast and the Furious. Good films make you think. They make you ask questions afterward.

!snap

Actually, it frequently IS the filmmaker's fault. In this case, cutting the scene where Yoda talks to Qui-Gon's spirit made for confusion on the part of those not already intimately familiar with Star Wars.

[DorkyFresh]

I'm sorry, but when people don't comprehend films it's not the filmaker's fault. I personally don't want to watch films made for dumb people, if I did I'd watch Fast and the Furious. Good films make you think. They make you ask questions afterward.

!snap
If you think that's true...then please don't go anywhere NEAR filmmaking. It's the director's job to make sure the audience knows EXACTLY what the director wants them to think or know. If the director shows a character just sitting down with a blank stare, no sound, no other images other than the character.......is it the audience's fault that they don't know what that character is thinking? No, it's the director's fault.

Your "if you don't get it, it's your fault" attitude is exactly what makes bad filmmaking...and it's obvious you're trying to cover up for Lucas' lack of visual storytelling skills rather than just let the movie speak for itself.

[Daisy]

If you think that's true...then please don't go anywhere NEAR filmmaking. It's the director's job to make sure the audience knows EXACTLY what the director wants them to think or know. If the director shows a character just sitting down with a blank stare, no sound, no other images other than the character.......is it the audience's fault that they don't know what that character is thinking? No, it's the director's fault.

Your "if you don't get it, it's your fault" attitude is exactly what makes bad filmmaking...and it's obvious you're trying to cover up for Lucas' lack of visual storytelling skills rather than just let the movie speak for itself.

I agree with you except for one thing: Lucas doesn't lack "visual" storytelling skills. If you look at the closing of Sith, you'll see that. It is excellent when no one is talking. What he lacks are "verbal" storytelling skills. He tends to fall down a fair amount when he uses dialog to advance his story.

[ObakeTora]

I don't think Jar Jar really hurt the movie save for that battle where he defeats half a dozen robots or more in Bugs Bunny fashion.

My gripe with the movie is Jake Lloyd is so damn stiff. He should be dark and like Haley Joel Osment in The Sixth Sense, scared and afraid to let go. Instead he is a happy go-llucky slave that is like every other annoying child actor.

But Liam Niesson, Ewan McGreggor, Nathalie Portman and Darth Maul were all very good in it.

The story needed tweaking and Anakin needed to be much darker with a better child actor.

Oh well.

My gripe with the movie is Jake Lloyd is so damn stiff. He should be dark and like Haley Joel Osment in The Sixth Sense, scared and afraid to let go. Instead he is a happy go-llucky slave that is like every other annoying child actor.

you got it right on the money. Pod racing is wizard? I saw that and thought what the Hell? Jake's performance reminded me of Shirley Temple in drag.



eps 1 through 3 seemed more focused on the cgi, and less on the character development and acting, which made OT so infamous. There were so many corny lines to think of during eps 1-3.

[DorkyFresh]

I agree with you except for one thing: Lucas doesn't lack "visual" storytelling skills. If you look at the closing of Sith, you'll see that. It is excellent when no one is talking. What he lacks are "verbal" storytelling skills. He tends to fall down a fair amount when he uses dialog to advance his story.
You're right...I didn't mean it in the way that George Lucas can't create stunning visuals (of course he can), but I meant it in the way of pacing and selecting certain shots/angles, editing, etc....

[Daisy]

The point was to show how a basically good, happy person could be turned to the dark side. Having a dark and brooding young Anakin would not have accomplished this.

We didn't however need an entire movie dedicated to him.

I think the prequels could have been done as two movies instead of three, with a lot of Menace and Clones cut away and edited together.

[Matt]

Because people think they need everything spelled out in black and white, and can't think for themselves.

!snap

I'd say it's more likely, because of the three jedi we have seen die...only one did not become "one" with the force.

Afterwards Lucas hyped it up saying "IT'S GOING TO PLAY A CRUCIAL PART IN FUTURE MOVIES!"

and then he simply brushes it off at the end of ROTS...pretty much like "oh yea, qui gon, he's a ghost now...now we can all do it!"

It would've been much simpler for Lucas to simply have Qui-Gon disappear or explain it better.

I still say it would've been EXTREMELY powerful to show Qui-Gon, appear to Anakin in ghost form, right before he slaughters the younglings, and make one last desperate plea to him.

[Matt]

I'm sorry, but when people don't comprehend films it's not the filmaker's fault. I personally don't want to watch films made for dumb people, if I did I'd watch Fast and the Furious. Good films make you think. They make you ask questions afterward.

!snap

No, good films don't leave plot holes. They explain crucial plot elements. They are not simply ambigious because the film maker got lazy. Lucas didn't do any of the plot holes to "make fans think"...he did it because he got lazy.

[Brodie the fun]

Yeha, Matt we know. SHouldn't you be out on a street corner yelling this stuff?

[Strange]

I'd say it's more likely, because of the three jedi we have seen die...only one did not become "one" with the force.

Afterwards Lucas hyped it up saying "IT'S GOING TO PLAY A CRUCIAL PART IN FUTURE MOVIES!"

and then he simply brushes it off at the end of ROTS...pretty much like "oh yea, qui gon, he's a ghost now...now we can all do it!"

It would've been much simpler for Lucas to simply have Qui-Gon disappear or explain it better.

I still say it would've been EXTREMELY powerful to show Qui-Gon, appear to Anakin in ghost form, right before he slaughters the younglings, and make one last desperate plea to him.

You have a good point here Matt but can Sith see people who are one with the Force? I thought this was only something the Jedi could do, kinda like there are things the Sith can do that the Jedi can't. Lucas should have at least had a scene where Qui Gon appears to Yoda and explains how he becomes one with the Force.

[The Caped Knight]

What did Yoda mean When He told Luke "No more training do you require. Already know you that which you need."
In STAR WARS EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI

Luke's training began from The moment he first meet Yoda on DAGOBAH, (Unknown to Luke)

His first thing Luke need to Learn was
(1)"Patience"

Then
(2) To Control his "feelings/Emotions" (such as Fear, Anger , & aggression.)

(3) " To be calm, at peace. Passive"

(4)" To use the Force for knowledge and defense,never for attack.

(5) He fallied at The Tree taken his weponds in with him.

(6)"To concentrate"

(7)To feel the Force around him.

(8)To control The object's around him.

But the main thing Luke learned was very important something Anakin wasn't able to do.
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This is from ROTJ novel


BEN : You cannot escape your destiny Luke.

LUKE : I tried to stop him once. I couldn't do it.

BEN : Vader humbled you when first you met him, Luke...(but that experience was part of your training. It taught you, among other things, the value of patience.) Had you not been so impatient to defeat Vader then, you could have finished your training here with Yoda. You would have been prepared.

LUKE : But I had to help my friends.

BEN : And did you help them? It was they who had to save you. You achieved little by rushing back prematurely, I fear.

LUKE : I found out Darth Vader was my father.

BEN : (To be a Jedi, Luke, you must confront and then go beyond the dark side - the side your father couldn't get past. Impatience is the easiest door - for you, like your father. Only, your father was seduced by what he found on the other side of the door, and you have held firm. You're no longer so reckless now, Luke. You are strong and patient.) And now, you must face Darth Vader again!


I hope that helps.

[Hollow Wood Director]

The point was to show how a basically good, happy person could be turned to the dark side. Having a dark and brooding young Anakin would not have accomplished this.

We didn't however need an entire movie dedicated to him.

I think the prequels could have been done as two movies instead of three, with a lot of Menace and Clones cut away and edited together.

But then the chapters wouldn't add up.

Chapter 1

Chapter 2

Bump

Chapter 4 etc! :)

[The Lizard]

I think the prequels could have been done as two movies instead of three, with a lot of Menace and Clones cut away and edited together.

Someday if I get bored enough, I might edit down and combine the elements of Episodes I and II that actually worked and make the new Episode I : The Phantom Attack. Then the Clone Wars cartoon can be Episode II and ROTS can remain as Ep III. :)

[Spidey-Bat]

Someday if I get bored enough, I might edit down and combine the elements of Episodes I and II that actually worked and make the new Episode I : The Phantom Attack. Then the Clone Wars cartoon can be Episode II and ROTS can remain as Ep III. :)

I like it:up:

I think Episode II should have been The Republic Strikes Back :cool:

[svfreakofweek]

Once lucas dies or passes the rights on they will make movies set after ROTJ. Its a given. Either that or his kids will do it.

[Doomed_hero]

***** ***** *****, thats all you people ever do.

And For Anakin coming back at the end without knowing the Tech. Lucas said in the ROTJ commentary that Obi Wan and Yoda used the powers they learned to bring Anakin back from the dead as a ghost. They also brought him back as he was before he was consumed by the dark side.

[Spidey-Bat]

***** ***** *****, thats all you people ever do.

And For Anakin coming back at the end without knowing the Tech. Lucas said in the ROTJ commentary that Obi Wan and Yoda used the powers they learned to bring Anakin back from the dead as a ghost. They also brought him back as he was before he was consumed by the dark side.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to bring him back as he would look when he died? B/c he came back to the light just before he died.

[Strange]

Wouldn't it have made more sense to bring him back as he would look when he died? B/c he came back to the light just before he died.

Who wants to spend eternity inside the force looking like a burnt old codger? Being inside the force should be like being in the Matrix, you look how you want to look.

[Flexo]

Who wants to spend eternity inside the force looking like a burnt old codger? Being inside the force should be like being in the Matrix, you look how you want to look.

He doesn't look burnt at all.

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/starwars/images/jedi_anakin.jpg

[Doomed_hero]

I always thought putting in Hayden was to show the rejuvination of the force and to show a time before he was consumed with the dark side. Maybe it was Obi Wan and Yoda bringing him back the way they remeber when he was a jedi hero.

[Strange]

He doesn't look burnt at all.

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/starwars/images/jedi_anakin.jpg

Well that doesn't represent how he looked when he was inside the suit so what difference does it make, whether young or old its still an improvement to his real looks.

[Golgo-13]

Does anyone else have a problem with the Vader scene in ROTS? The scene was cool but it gave absolutely 'no indication' that the suit was in fact his 'life support system' and that's what i hated. Non SW fans have asked, "why was he placed in the suit to start with" and i tried to explain it to them. The scene should have had the droids or palpatine uttering some indication that Anakin was dying and "...to get the helmet on fast", or something like that..it appears that lucas neglected the little things....

[snap-hiss]

I wished that the scene had shown it was nessessary for life support also. I was wondering why the breathing wasn't touched on... when he's on the table being operated on he seems to have no trouble breathing (he's wearing an oxygen mask, but still it should have been more a central part of the scene)

!snap

[Lord Nemesis]

Didn't the heat sear his lungs?

[Maximum Carnage]

I need something.

A quote.

After Anakin chokes Padme, Obi-Wan says to him .. that he did it to himself. Can anyone quote Obi-Wan in that scene for me? Possibly send a private message? Thanks.

[Doomed_hero]

Does anyone else have a problem with the Vader scene in ROTS? The scene was cool but it gave absolutely 'no indication' that the suit was in fact his 'life support system' and that's what i hated. Non SW fans have asked, "why was he placed in the suit to start with" and i tried to explain it to them. The scene should have had the droids or palpatine uttering some indication that Anakin was dying and "...to get the helmet on fast", or something like that..it appears that lucas neglected the little things....


I think it was pretty self explanatory myself. So did most the people I saw it with, and there not hardcore fans.

[Matt]

I was always under the impression that Vader was crucial to wiping out the Jedi and taking over the galaxy with the Emperor. It's kinda dissapointing, that the Emperor could've done all of it without any help at all from Darth Vader. He could've just as easilty let the clone troopers do all his dirty work. It sort of begs the question, why did the Emperor even bother going and finding Anakin after he was burnt up? Why not just let him die like his other apprentices?

[Erzengel]

Well they never say that Obi-Wan and Yoda are the last 2 Jedi. It leaves the door open for stories, tv series where Vader is the one hunting down the other Jedi and maybe even trying to find Obi-Wan and/or Yoda.

[JackBauer]

I was always under the impression that Vader was crucial to wiping out the Jedi and taking over the galaxy with the Emperor. It's kinda dissapointing, that the Emperor could've done all of it without any help at all from Darth Vader. He could've just as easilty let the clone troopers do all his dirty work. It sort of begs the question, why did the Emperor even bother going and finding Anakin after he was burnt up? Why not just let him die like his other apprentices?

true...

not to mention that Vader should've given the Emperor, who Anakin said could take down, a spanking. after all, as far as he knew ("I'm afraid, in your anger, you killed her"), the blame would rest on the dark side that the Emperor introduced him to. had he not been introduced to the dark side, he most likely wouldn't have to face killing Padmé himself.

[Strange]

Well they never say that Obi-Wan and Yoda are the last 2 Jedi. It leaves the door open for stories, tv series where Vader is the one hunting down the other Jedi and maybe even trying to find Obi-Wan and/or Yoda.

True, Obi-Wan changed the Jedi distress signal to tell all Jedi to stay away from the temple. So there could have been others who also went into hiding and since Obi-Wan and Yoda went off on their own and probably with no communications with each other means there could be other Jedi's living out their life on other planets.

[eat aliens]

After watching ESB again another question comes to mind....
Was the Yoda training Obi-Wan issue ever addressed? Or is there some explanation for this that only SW fans would know about?

[Erzengel]

Well isn't Dooku the last Jedi Yoda trained?

But he still trained the Younglings and served on the Jedi Council.

So one could guess he trained Obi-Wan as a boy before he was trained by Qui-Gon and also later on after Qui-Gon he sought guidance by Yoda. Also, Yoda was giving him training at the end of ROTS.

[The Green Goblin]

true...

not to mention that Vader should've given the Emperor, who Anakin said could take down, a spanking. after all, as far as he knew ("I'm afraid, in your anger, you killed her"), the blame would rest on the dark side that the Emperor introduced him to. had he not been introduced to the dark side, he most likely wouldn't have to face killing Padmé himself.

Somewhere you missed the "I must obey my master" part. Vader aint given Palpatine a "spanking". I know its EU, but I think Palpy cut off his hand as punishment for losing the Death Star. (out of continuity technically I know)He was just bs'n Padme just as he did Luke about "ruling the galaxy" and its a trait of the overconfident, arrogant Sith. Vader is Sidious' ****** up until he throws him down the reactor shaft.

I do agree he should be angry and blame The Emperor and the dark side for Padme's death, but its too late for him. "Once you start down the dark path..."



After watching ESB again another question comes to mind....
Was the Yoda training Obi-Wan issue ever addressed? Or is there some explanation for this that only SW fans would know about?

Yoda would have trained Obi-Wan as a youngling. He also continued to council and advise him after he became Qui Gon's apprentice.

Its not like he had time to explain all of that to Luke on Hoth.

[Erzengel]

Somewhere you missed the "I must obey my master" part. Vader aint given Palpatine a "spanking". I know its EU, but I think Palpy cut off his hand as punishment for losing the Death Star. (out of continuity technically I know)He was just bs'n Padme just as he did Luke about "ruling the galaxy" and its a trait of the overconfident, arrogant Sith. Vader is Sidious' ****** up until he throws him down the reactor shaft.

I do agree he should be angry and blame The Emperor and the dark side for Padme's death, but its too late for him. "Once you start down the dark path..."



Nah I don't think he was bs'n Padme or Luke. The role of the apprentice for the Sith Lords seems to be to overthrow their Master when the apprentice surpasses him or when there's a right opportunity.

Dooku seems to be trying this too when he tries to talk Obi-Wan over to the dark side.

[The Green Goblin]

Nah I don't think he was bs'n Padme or Luke. The role of the apprentice for the Sith Lords seems to be to overthrow their Master when the apprentice surpasses him or when there's a right opportunity.

Dooku seems to be trying this too when he tries to talk Obi-Wan over to the dark side.


I know, like I said, its the nature of the Sith to do that.

Actually accomplishing it, (at that point) well ... that is another story. ;)

[Doomed_hero]

The reason he stayed with the Emperor is cause he had nothing left to fight for. Anakin wanted to rule the galaxy with Padme, but became less powerful in the suit to kill the Emperor, he also lost the will to until Luke came back and he saw a way to overthrow the Emperor. I always thought Vader feared the Emperor and thats why he didnt do anything.

[Erzengel]

The reason he stayed with the Emperor is cause he had nothing left to fight for. Anakin wanted to rule the galaxy with Padme, but became less powerful in the suit to kill the Emperor, he also lost the will to until Luke came back and he saw a way to overthrow the Emperor. I always thought Vader feared the Emperor and thats why he didnt do anything.

He also thought of the Emperor as a mentor and friend.

Even in Jedi the Emperor says, "Your work is here is finished my friend."

[Spidey-Bat]

After watching ESB again another question comes to mind....
Was the Yoda training Obi-Wan issue ever addressed? Or is there some explanation for this that only SW fans would know about?

I watched it last nite, and Obi-Wan says he was instructed, not trained, by Yoda.

[<(o_o)>]

Isn't it a rule or something that Jedi are not allowed to marry or have children? You never hear about the offspring of any of the other Jedi's. Even in Attack Of The Clones, Anikan & Padme married in secret, so maybe once a person becomes a Jedi it is a forbidden rule that Jedi can never get married or have children, but Anikan went & changed that when he had children with Padme.

[guitarsingerguy]

Isn't it a rule or something that Jedi are not allowed to marry or have children? You never hear about the offspring of any of the other Jedi's. Even in Attack Of The Clones, Anikan & Padme married in secret, so maybe once a person becomes a Jedi it is a forbidden rule that Jedi can never get married or have children, but Anikan went & changed that when he had children with Padme.

Yes, any type of attachment is forbidden. If they find out he'll be kicked out of the Order. I think they mention it in the movie. If not, they definitely do in the book.

[Spidey-Bat]

There are some exceptions to that rule. One being the cone head on the Jedi Council. The reason is his species has low birth rates.

[Golgo-13]

True, Obi-Wan changed the Jedi distress signal to tell all Jedi to stay away from the temple. So there could have been others who also went into hiding and since Obi-Wan and Yoda went off on their own and probably with no communications with each other means there could be other Jedi's living out their life on other planets.
Someone mentioned this on one of the other of the 643477756757587 Star Wars thread we have, that a good synposis for the rumored SW tv series could show bounty hunters hired by the empire hunting down the last of the Jedi. But yes there were many Jedi that were saved because of the distress signal OB 1 sent out, but over in the database of the official site it saids that Vader spends the next couple of years after the empire was erected, hunting down the surviving Jedi. So by ANH i believe OB 1 and Yoda are the only two he hadn't found.....

[The Caped Knight]

The reason he stayed with the Emperor is cause he had nothing left to fight for. Anakin wanted to rule the galaxy with Padme, but became less powerful in the suit to kill the Emperor, he also lost the will to until Luke came back and he saw a way to overthrow the Emperor. I always thought Vader feared the Emperor and thats why he didnt do anything.

Well said.

[DorkyFresh]

Question...


...who do you guys think actually killed the Emperor (bringing balance to the force). Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader?

[snap-hiss]

Anakin, no question.

!snap

[The Caped Knight]

Question...


...who do you guys think actually killed the Emperor (bringing balance to the force). Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader?


Anakin Skywalker, with the help of his son Luke Skywalker.

[HUMAN]

So... when will the remakes (IV, V, VI) come out?

Also, does anybody else feel that General Grievous was handled better in the Clone Wars cartoons as opposed to the movie?

[RockSP]

Haven't read through the whole thread so these questions may have been asked already...

1) Any explanation given as to why r2-d2 forgot he could fly in the originals? I mean any explanation in other media (books, games, etc.) since none was given in the movie...

2) Why did Leia remember her mother in Jedi but in Revenge mom dies as soon as she's born?

[Flexo]

2) Why did Leia remember her mother in Jedi but in Revenge mom dies as soon as she's born?

Some people will claim it's the force, but I think of it as a plothole.

[HUMAN]

Haven't read through the whole thread so these questions may have been asked already...

1) Any explanation given as to why r2-d2 forgot he could fly in the originals? I mean any explanation in other media (books, games, etc.) since none was given in the movie...

2) Why did Leia remember her mother in Jedi but in Revenge mom dies as soon as she's born?

1) Well, by the time Episode IV comes around R2 is about 35 years old, and not to much machinery will work to its full capacity that long. Also R2 never did need to use his rockets in any of the old movies.

2) If you look closely, when Luke and Leia are born, you will see that Luke's eyes are shut while Leia's are open. She saw her mother. So in ROTJ she remembers that her mother was "very beautiful... kind, yet sad."

[Doomed_hero]

Plus can someone state a part in the OT where R2 could have flown?

[marvelisawesome]

I dont like any people who arent humans. exept yoda. i dont like thosesuper cgi alen guys.

[JackBauer]

2) If you look closely, when Luke and Leia are born, you will see that Luke's eyes are shut while Leia's are open. She saw her mother. So in ROTJ she remembers that her mother was "very beautiful... kind, yet sad."

sorry, but with Luke being able to see the ball during his training in ANH even with the visor down, that excuse doesn't work.

and how would she know Padmé was kind just from those few seconds?!

[Matt]

Plus can someone state a part in the OT where R2 could have flown?

Jabba's sail barge. Instead of rolling off the edge he could've flown from platform to platform.

But I believe Lucas explained it when Episode II came out saying his "Warranty ran out" (sadly I'm not joking).

At anyrate, I can deal with the R2 rocket launches, I just wish they didn't try to turn him into a frickin action hero in Ep III.

[Doomed_hero]

I thought that part was hiliarious. It was R2. when hes in trouble he alway uses his parts to get away.

[Kurosawa]

I thought R2 was great in ROTS. I especially was happy that he didn't get his memory erased.

[The Caped Knight]

I thought R2 was great in ROTS. I especially was happy that he didn't get his memory erased.

Me too. (That would explain how R2 in ANH, knew where he was going when he landed on Tatooine & C3P-O didn't.)

[The Caped Knight]

At anyrate, I can deal with the R2 rocket launches, I just wish they didn't try to turn him into a frickin action hero in Ep III.

Hello, R2-D2 from since Episode I has been a hero all the way to Episode VI.

[The Caped Knight]

2) Why did Leia remember her mother in Jedi but in Revenge mom dies as soon as she's born?

In the movie Padme dies early, in the novel she doesn't die that quickly,

[snap-hiss]

At anyrate, I can deal with the R2 rocket launches, I just wish they didn't try to turn him into a frickin action hero in Ep III.

He always has been, so I don't see your point.

!snap

[HUMAN]

sorry, but with Luke being able to see the ball during his training in ANH even with the visor down, that excuse doesn't work.

You're comparing a 19 year old who was deliberately concentrating on the remote with a 5 second old baby who was trying to get oxygen? Hmm...

and how would she know Padmé was kind just from those few seconds?!

You can tell by the way people look at you and how they touch you to know whether they're kind or mean. Also if you take any sort of health related classes in HS or college or whatever, you'll find out that the first seconds of a babies life are crucial to the relationship between the baby and it's mother. That's why immediately after the baby is born it is given to it's mother for a few seconds before they take it away.

Study up on hospitals giving babies to the wrong parents then switching them back to their correct parents when they don't give the babies to their mothers right away. That attachment isn't there and it takes a while for it to set in for the confused baby.

[JackBauer]

You're comparing a 19 year old who was deliberately concentrating on the remote with a 5 second old baby who was trying to get oxygen? Hmm...

hey, it's the force. the same way Leia can remember her mother... :rolleyes:

[Eyeballing]

there will be. someone said that when Lucas dies, his kids will blow away his money and be forced to sell the SW rights where some1 will pick them up and make new ones.


How can even 10 kids blow MORE than $2 billion dollars? Which is what he was worth BEFORE eipisode 3 and all it's merchandise came on to the market.

Also who could REALLY afford to buy the rights to the WHOLE star wars saga? I mean the rights to ALL the movies and merchandise, name, trde mark etc would cost into the BILLIONS of dollars.

And since the majorirty of the money has already been made why would anyone buy it except to either make more movies or just to say i own the star wars rights?

[Eyeballing]

Okay fellas i'm sure there are plenty of you just waiting to answer my questions and show all the knowledge you posses of the force and the dark side. So forgive me if these questions have been asked before elsewhere on The Hype but i couldn't find the answers to my questions.

First Who was the Emporer/Darth Sidious talking about in Episode III, when he was telling Anikan the story about the sith lord who had become so powerful with the force that he himself had discovered a way to keep people from dying? It seemed DS was alluding to THAT Sith lord being his (Darth Sidious) master and Darth Sidious was the one who was his apprentice that killed him in his sleep.

What, if anything do the Light saber colors mean? The only one i can figure out for sure is the Red belonging to the sith lords or the dark side. I had once heard that blue is for young jedi/padawans and green are for masters but as ive seen throughout the films this doesnt seem to hold true. What does mace windus purple/lavender mean, if anything?

What WAS General Grevious? He appeard to be some sort of humanoid cyborg? He has REAL eyes and a heart it appeard but nothing was said of his coming to be that way or how he was built?

What exactly is a sith? I heard that a sith is a race unto it's self? Or are sith's just evil jedi? or would that make them Darth?

Is there an order of ranks in the jedi council? Other than Yoda being the highest or most powerful jedi where do the others rank such as qui-gon and mace, others?


Hope you experienced jedi fans can shed some light on these questions for me, thanks
Is the dark side more powerful than the force?

[Eyeballing]

I read somewhere that Lucas said Vader is only 80% as powerful as the Emperor due to his injuries and had he not been chopped up and fried that he'd have double the power of the Emperor. Somebody correct me if this is wrong.


I don't see how he is depowered? I mean at the end of ROTS they show him damn near bringing the walls down when the Emporer tells him that Padme died. Also in ESB Solo blasts him with his gun and Vader just puts his hands up and absorbs/blocks the blasts. In all the movies i never saw any other Jedi or Sith do this.

[Erzengel]

First Who was the Emporer/Darth Sidious talking about in Episode III, when he was telling Anikan the story about the sith lord who had become so powerful with the force that he himself had discovered a way to keep people from dying? It seemed DS was alluding to THAT Sith lord being his (Darth Sidious) master and Darth Sidious was the one who was his apprentice that killed him in his sleep.

He was talking about Darth Plagus the Wise.

What, if anything do the Light saber colors mean? The only one i can figure out for sure is the Red belonging to the sith lords or the dark side. I had once heard that blue is for young jedi/padawans and green are for masters but as ive seen throughout the films this doesnt seem to hold true. What does mace windus purple/lavender mean, if anything?
Nothing. Jedis usually have blue and green. In non continuity I think you had yellow, and silver colors too. I think Sith only use red as some sort of traditional color for the sith. Mace had a purple one because Samuel L Jackson wanted to be different.


What WAS General Grevious? He appeard to be some sort of humanoid cyborg? He has REAL eyes and a heart it appeard but nothing was said of his coming to be that way or how he was built?
In the Clone Wars cartoon not much is said either. It's in the comic books and dictionary that he was an alien reptile/cyborg who was skilled with a lightsaber but not a sith.


What exactly is a sith? I heard that a sith is a race unto it's self? Or are sith's just evil jedi? or would that make them Darth?
Depending on continuity, sith's are evi jedis. In the books, sith were I believe a race unto it self.


Is there an order of ranks in the jedi council? Other than Yoda being the highest or most powerful jedi where do the others rank such as qui-gon and mace, others?
Padawan, Knight and Master. Yoda was said to be the most powerful Jedi with Mace a lil below him. There is no ranks per se but once you were in the Jedi Council you were considered to be a highly skilled Master.


Hope you experienced jedi fans can shed some light on these questions for me, thanks
Is the dark side more powerful than the force?
No quicker, faster more seductive but not more powerful.

[Eyeballing]

Thank you very much Erzengel :D Could you elaborate more on Darth Plagus the wise more than ROTS/Darth Sidious did? Was Darth Plagus Darth Sidious' master? Was Sidious the apprentice?

So when you say quicker, faster, more seductive of the dark side. Do you mean quicker, faster in terms of learning and achieving using their powers/darks side than the force?

Also in episode II Anikan says "obi wan is as powerful as Windu and as wise as Yoda."

From this statement does he mean that mace is a more powerful jedi than Yoda, in terms of battle?:D

If you don't feel like answering all of my questions is there a web-site(s) with good with facts instead of fan speculation? Or any good readings you would reccommend that could shed more light ? :D

thanks again Erzengel, also kick ass avatar you have :up:

[Erzengel]

It's unspoken that Plagus was Sidious master but it is assumed that he is.

Actually Yoda says that of the dark side in Empire. Easier because one does not need to be calm and at peace to weild it as opposed to be quick to anger.

He looks up to Obi-Wan so saying he's more powerful than Mace and as wise as Yoda may just be from Anakin's point of view.

I'm not sure if these are in continuity but if you go to Barnes and Noble and pick up the Episode III, Visual Dictonary there are a lot of history of the characters within it.

[Kroc1138]

Anakin. Luke was never as powerful as the emperor and barely beat his mechanical father :oI disagree. Vader May or may not be as powerful as he was before the suit. (It's debatable) But one thing I do know is that the Emperor FEARED Luke. From what I got of the OT was that Luke (or Leia) were even more powerful than the Emperor and Vader. The fact that Palpatine first thought to just kill him instead of turning him meant that Luke was obviously a huge threat in one way or another.

To me I see all the showiness in Duels in the PT in Contrast to the OT not as a downgrade but as a maturity in fighting styles. Over time Vader and Obi Wan just got more conservative in their fighting styles.

IIRC Luke in ROTJ whooped Vader's ass while fighting defensively, and owned him when he when into a Darkside rage. Luke was clearly the stronger of the three.

As for Palpatine. He is very wily. He always puts himself in a place where if he is in a position to be killed that the Jedi who would kill him would be turning to the darkside. Prime example is in ROTS When Mace was about to kill him it's Obvious at that point he was turning to the Darkside.
He did the same think with Anakin in ROTS, and of Course Luke in ROTJ. The only reason Luke threw the whole fight with Palpatine was b/c he was making a leap of Faith. (This is all heasay, but it's supportable) He knew that Hos father could kill him b/c he was on the Darkside and that by saving his son he would turn back Vader since Killing Palpatine at that point would be out of Malice it would be out of love, compassion and Ultimately selflessness.

[Kroc1138]

I don't see how he is depowered? I mean at the end of ROTS they show him damn near bringing the walls down when the Emporer tells him that Padme died. Also in ESB Solo blasts him with his gun and Vader just puts his hands up and absorbs/blocks the blasts. In all the movies i never saw any other Jedi or Sith do this.I gotta agree there. I really don't see much evidence supporting that Vader was depowered in the suit. A more conservative dualist perhaps, but not weaker.

[Eyeballing]

It's unspoken that Plagus was Sidious master but it is assumed that he is.

Actually Yoda says that of the dark side in Empire. Easier because one does not need to be calm and at peace to weild it as opposed to be quick to anger.

He looks up to Obi-Wan so saying he's more powerful than Mace and as wise as Yoda may just be from Anakin's point of view.

I'm not sure if these are in continuity but if you go to Barnes and Noble and pick up the Episode III, Visual Dictonary there are a lot of history of the characters within it.


No no, Anakin didn't say Obi-Wan was more powerful than Yoda, he said "as powerful as master windu and as wise as Yoda."

And i get what you mean that Anakin looks up to Obi and probably just saying this out of respect and idolization. But in comparing him to Windu in this way it seems he is implying that Windu in terms of power in battle he may be equal or superior to Yoda.

You COULD derive this is true since in ROTS Windu defeats Sidious IMHO:D

[Erzengel]

I think Sidious threw the fight. He wanted Anakin to help him and he needed to look helpless. I mean when he killed Dooku he knew it was wrong because he was unarmed. Same thing was happening here, Sidious was "unarmed" and Mace was looking to end it and Anakin stepped in.

[Eyeballing]

good point and fair enough but that still doesn't clear things up in what anakin said about obi wan? I also readon Wikipedia that the style of fighting that windu uses is the most powerful because it uses light and dark side powers.???

[Erzengel]

Yoda said that Obi Wan wasn't strong enough to take on the Emperor. So by Episode III I don't think Obi Wan was as powerful as Mace.

[Eyeballing]

Yoda said that Obi Wan wasn't strong enough to take on the Emperor. So by Episode III I don't think Obi Wan was as powerful as Mace.

No No, here is what i am trying to get at :D

Is MACE WINDU as powerful or more so in terms of combat compared to yoda? I was just reffering to Anakin stating that obi wan "is as powerful as master windu and as wise as yoda."

So from that i derived that Windu is as powerful or more powerful than Yoda in combat. I mean why didn't anakin just say "obi wan is as powerful and wise as yoda." If he wanted to state what he thinks of obi wan?

I just thought it was curious that is what he said and whom he said it about. Made me think that in terms of a battle Windu may be more powerful than yoda but not overall so with the force.?

[Erzengel]

Hard to say I'd like to say Yoda but Mace is no slouch either.

[Kroc1138]

I disagree. Vader May or may not be as powerful as he was before the suit. (It's debatable) But one thing I do know is that the Emperor FEARED Luke. From what I got of the OT was that Luke (or Leia) were even more powerful than the Emperor and Vader. The fact that Palpatine first thought to just kill him instead of turning him meant that Luke was obviously a huge threat in one way or another.

To me I see all the showiness in Duels in the PT in Contrast to the OT not as a downgrade but as a maturity in fighting styles. Over time Vader and Obi Wan just got more conservative in their fighting styles.

IIRC Luke in ROTJ whooped Vader's ass while fighting defensively, and owned him when he when into a Darkside rage. Luke was clearly the stronger of the three.

As for Palpatine. He is very wily. He always puts himself in a place where if he is in a position to be killed that the Jedi who would kill him would be turning to the darkside. Prime example is in ROTS When Mace was about to kill him it's Obvious at that point he was turning to the Darkside.
He did the same think with Anakin in ROTS, and of Course Luke in ROTJ. The only reason Luke threw the whole fight with Palpatine was b/c he was making a leap of Faith. (This is all heasay, but it's supportable) He knew that Hos father could kill him b/c he was on the Darkside and that by saving his son he would turn back Vader since Killing Palpatine at that point would be out of Malice it would be out of love, compassion and Ultimately selflessness. I again think this is still a debatabable topic. To me Luke and Leia are more Powerful than Vader. (I think it's Pretty much academic that Vader is more powerful than Sidious )

[Eyeballing]

Are there any REALLY GOOD star wars games out right now? I know there are a BUNCH but i mean good ones worth the time to play?

For PS2,Xbox & PC :D

[Spidey-Bat]

Are there any REALLY GOOD star wars games out right now? I know there are a BUNCH but i mean good ones worth the time to play?

For PS2,Xbox & PC :D

KOTOR I and II are really good (though I've heard II's ending sucks). It's an RPG and it takes awhile until you get your lightsaber.

Jedi Outcast is old, but good from what I've heard.

The Episode III game probably has the best lightsaber fighting. It plays like the EA Lord of the Rings games. It's pretty short which sucks.

[Eyeballing]

KOTOR I and II are really good (though I've heard II's ending sucks). It's an RPG and it takes awhile until you get your lightsaber.

Jedi Outcast is old, but good from what I've heard.

The Episode III game probably has the best lightsaber fighting. It plays like the EA Lord of the Rings games. It's pretty short which sucks.


sweet thanks spidey-boy :D :up:

[Erzengel]

Spider Boy hit all the main games.

I remember Rebellion was fun albeit really old game.

I always like X-Wing and Tie Figther games and even Jedi Starfighter.

I liked Outkast and Jedi Academy for the use of different force powers.

I haven't tried Episode III yet because of the bad reviews.

[Spidey-Bat]

I forgot to mention, the Rogue Squadron games (mainly the 2nd) are REALLY good. However, the first is fro N64 and II and III are for Gamecube.

I didn't really look into Jedi Starfighter.

I would not suggest the Obi-Wan game for Xbox. It got bad reviews.

Erzengel:
I got the Ep III game the day it came out and I like it (and I'm very critical about Star Wars). The multiplayer is like Tekken or Soul Calibur. The single missions are like Lord of the Rings. I'd suggest renting it or waiting for the price to go down. If they made it an RPG instead of a platform, it would have been much better.

[HUMAN]

The Ep. III game is quite good, but it isn't worth the $50 price tag. The funnest parts are facing others in lightsaber duels and the multiplayer versus mode. The lightsaber fighting is really intricate, I just wish they used it in a better game. I'd say take some of the flight mechanics from the Rouge Squadron games, the adventure, depth, and storytelling from KOTOR, and the lightsaber action from ROTS and put all of them into one explosive package that covers the movies from AOTC to the Clone Wars to ROTS and call it Rise of The Empire.

[The Caped Knight]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

[AssMan]

Harrison Ford turned down a $47 million pay day to make a new spin-off 'Star Wars' movie.

Hollywood legend Ford, 64, snubbed director George Lucas' big bucks offer in favour of playing heroic archaeologist Indiana Jones again.

However, Lucas wasn't too disappointed with Ford's decision as he was already developing an idea for a fourth Indiana Jones movie with Steven Spielberg.

A source told Britain's Daily Star newspaper: "George wanted Harrison to play Indy but cleverly sounded him out about playing Hans Solo instead.

"Harrison was horrified. After that he was delighted to be playing Indy again. He told George he just couldn't face being stuck in a spaceship with Chewbacca again."

Ford will earn $47 million for donning his famous fedora hat once again and embarking on a final adventure as the whip-cracking adventurer.

Ford and Lucas announced they were making a fourth 'Indiana Jones' film earlier this month.

The movie, produced by Lucas and directed by Spielberg, is due to be released in 2008, 19 years after Ford last appeared as thrill-seeking Indy in 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'.

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/Fords+Star+Wars+snub/Celebs/Bang/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=BSBS56341&feedname=BANG&show=False&number=0&showbyline=False&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

[xwolverine2]

thats alot of money.......!

[Speedball]

smart man.
Though I like Han more than Indy, I think he should stick to playing Indy.
It just won't feel right if he was the only returning cast member in a Star Wars film.

[AssMan]

I think a movie about Luke Skywalker on his own & restoring the Jedi Order with Yodas ghost watching over him & all of that stuff would be a little bit more interesting. Like how they did it in Andromeda with Dylan Hunt restoring the Commonwealth but with a bigger budget.

[Killgore]

smart man.
Though I like Han more than Indy, I think he should stick to playing Indy.
It just won't feel right if he was the only returning cast member in a Star Wars film.

Sounds like Chewie would have been with him.

[Speedball]

Sounds like Chewie would have been with him.
...Chewie is dead...how are they going to bring him back to life?
Harrison is the same age as his character in the books, so time in the series has moved along with the actors.

[Killgore]

...Chewie is dead...how are they going to bring him back to life?
Harrison is the same age as his character in the books, so time in the series has moved along with the actors.As if they can't get another giant man to wear the walking carpet. Next you're going to say that only Kenny Baker can drive Artoo.

[Speedball]

As if they can't get another giant man to wear the walking carpet. Next you're going to say that only Kenny Baker can drive Artoo.
i'm not talking about Peter Mayhew, he's still alive.
I meant the character is dead.

[AssMan]

i'm not talking about Peter Mayhew, he's still alive.
I meant the character is dead.

Last time I checked the books are not canon ? If they were we would have thousands of Star Wars movies based off of the books

[Speedball]

Last time I checked the books are not canon ? If they were we would have thousands of Star Wars movies based off of the books
no...that's the reason we don't have thousands of films. Because the story can continue in the books.
We really don't need any more Star Wars right now, and I think Harrison realized that.

[Matt]

Hmm, I like the way Lucas' people are saying this was a clever ploy of Lucas to get Ford to agree to do the movie. Ford has been onboard since day 1. Lucas is backtracking on his promise of no Star Wars sequels already.

[AssMan]

Lucas is backtracking on his promise of no Star Wars sequels already.

I think it is safe to say that everyone & their mothers know that there will eventually be another Star Wars trilogy or saga in this generation. It is only a matter of time. Everyone is expecting it. You would have to be an idiot not to

[Speedball]

I think it is safe to say that everyone & their mothers know that there will eventually be another Star Wars trilogy or saga in this generation. It is only a matter of time. Everyone is expecting it. You would have to be an idiot not to
Then call me an Idiot.
Cause it ain't gonna happen.

[AssMan]

it ain't gonna happen.

I think it will depend on the success of the upcoming TV shows. That is if Lucas does not make some kind of random deal before they air. This is just strike 1 & I doubt Lucas will stop here

[Speedball]

I think it will depend on the success of the upcoming TV shows. That is if Lucas does not make some kind of random deal before they air. This is just strike 1 & I doubt Lucas will stop here
Hmm...If he has to make any film, it should be KOTOR.

[Art_of_Crime]

after seeing the last three star wars movies i can't blame ford. right now any involvment with lucas could mean career suicide

[Killgore]

I can think of a couple billion reasons why we will see more Star Wars, and all of them are $$$$$

[Kevin Roegele]

Harrison Ford turned down a $47 million pay day to make a new spin-off 'Star Wars' movie.

Hollywood legend Ford, 64, snubbed director George Lucas' big bucks offer in favour of playing heroic archaeologist Indiana Jones again.

However, Lucas wasn't too disappointed with Ford's decision as he was already developing an idea for a fourth Indiana Jones movie with Steven Spielberg.

A source told Britain's Daily Star newspaper: "George wanted Harrison to play Indy but cleverly sounded him out about playing Hans Solo instead.

"Harrison was horrified. After that he was delighted to be playing Indy again. He told George he just couldn't face being stuck in a spaceship with Chewbacca again."

Ford will earn $47 million for donning his famous fedora hat once again and embarking on a final adventure as the whip-cracking adventurer.

Ford and Lucas announced they were making a fourth 'Indiana Jones' film earlier this month.

The movie, produced by Lucas and directed by Spielberg, is due to be released in 2008, 19 years after Ford last appeared as thrill-seeking Indy in 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'.

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/Fords+Star+Wars+snub/Celebs/Bang/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=BSBS56341&feedname=BANG&show=False&number=0&showbyline=False&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

DAILY STAR = BULL****

[Speedball]

DAILY STAR = BULL****
I didn't even see that...
yeah, it's total bull if it from the Star.

[FaT_tONle]

A Han Solo prequel would've kicked ass... I hope they touch on that in the T.V shows about Han's early days with the Falcon but I doubt it... a spinoff wouldn't work at this point unless it was a prequel