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Superman

07-29-2002, 01:16 AM

As much as I hate to say it, I have to give this one to Surfer.:(
But I still say Superman can beat Thor. It would be close but Supes could do it.
And the Hulk is no match at all.

BTW I don't think Surfer would use kryptonite, That would be to cheep. Surfer is an honorable hero and if they was to fight he would just suck enough power from Supes to stop him then once he found out that Supes was a hero like him he would give him back his powers and they would be close freinds. Them both being the last of there race and all. They would have alot in common.:)

Lobo

08-01-2002, 11:10 AM

I put up this poll becuase I thought it be a cool fight but superman your right SUPES would beat THOR but I don't think it would be all that close since HULK has beaten THOR! My personal opinion its close to the very end but in the end SUPES beats the SURFER

HerosOnFilm

08-01-2002, 11:20 PM

A more realistic match-up would be Supes versus the Hulk, and I don't mean in the style of that crappy crossover where Superman just doused him with heat vision and walloped Hulk. This is a guy who had trouble with Doomsday, who was basically a Hulk knock-off.

Silver Surfer, while I like the character, is really too powerful, and not really in the same category. Perhaps pre-crisis of inifinte earths, where Supes was practically godlike maybe, but the modern day incarnation couldn't stand a chance IMO.

08-03-2002, 06:49 PM

This one's too close to call, IMO. It could go either way in a heartbeat.
It's unlikely the Surfer would automatically know of Superman's weakness to red sun radiation or kryptonite, so that rules out those options of attack. Nor could he turn Supes into Krypto... his manipulation powers are usually restricted to restructuring inorganic matter - probably because the Surfer tries not to kill people (this attack on an opponent would be fatal). There are some limitations to the Surfer's powers - he's not omnipotent. Also, the power cosmic is not magical in origin, so Superman has no vulnerability there.

Basically, the power cosmic is like a big store of universal energy the Surfer can tap into to augment his powers and abilities. It typically enables him to have the approximate strength of an enraged Hulk (yes, it's true), and throw around vast amounts of destructive energy.

Superman is capable of beating even a cosmically-powered Surfer, IMO. He probably WOULD beat the Surfer without his power cosmic in effect, as Supes physically outclasses him without it. With full access to his cosmic power reserve, the Surfer is able give Superman all he can handle. He would probably be the most powerful opponent the Man of Steel has ever faced. Superman has the resilience to take most of what the Surfer can throw at him, but the Surfer can take everything Supes can dish out, too.

It could come down to who lasts the longest. Superman has an enormous, but finite level of endurance and energy. The Surfer's power source is practically unlimited. That could tell the tale, though I can still see the scales tipping in Superman's favor - maybe as much as half of the time.

DarkQuasar

08-03-2002, 07:01 PM

It doesn't really matter if the Surfer knows Superman's weakness or not, the Surfer outpowers Supes on every level--strength, speed, energy projection, it's all stacked in the Surfer's favor. Besides, I don't think it would take that long before the Surfer started draining energy out of Superman. The Surfer would have Supes sucked dry in a matter of minutes.

As for Superman vs. Thor, I'd give it to Thor. Not only does Superman have a distinct weakness against magic, but Thor's hammer can drain energy as well. Thor is a guy that challenged the Celestial and told them they would die (not that I think he could have followed through on that one).

-----§ DarkQuasar §-----

08-04-2002, 01:00 PM

The Surfer doesn't outclass Superman unless he's tapping fully into the power cosmic. In most cases, he's completely able to do this at will, but there have been some instances where he can't - thus allowing someone like the Thing to put a hurt on him, for example. Surfer has the capability to match or exceed Superman's abilities with his power reserve, but it's not 100% automatic.

The Surfer can't suck life energy out of his opponents - he's not a vampire.

Thor's main problem vs. Superman is that he's not as invulnerable as Superman is. Their strength is roughly equal - though I'd probably give the edge to Supes. However, exploding shells and anti-tank fire, etc., can hurt Thor, whereas Superman just shurgs stuff like that off. Still a battle that could go either way, but Superman has an advantage, IMO.

Anubis

08-04-2002, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Superman
As much as I hate to say it, I have to give this one to Surfer.:(
But I still say Superman can beat Thor. It would be close but Supes could do it.
And the Hulk is no match at all.

BTW I don't think Surfer would use kryptonite, That would be to cheep. Surfer is an honorable hero and if they was to fight he would just suck enough power from Supes to stop him then once he found out that Supes was a hero like him he would give him back his powers and they would be close freinds. Them both being the last of there race and all. They would have alot in common.:)

Yeah but Thor beat the Surfer. What does that tell you?

Spidey Rules

08-05-2002, 03:41 PM

Are we talking about the same Silver Surfer that was beaten by Carnage in a Spiderman issue a while back? If so, then Supes would have no problem.

The Amazing Spider-Man

08-05-2002, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Spidey Rules
Are we talking about the same Silver Surfer that was beaten by Carnage in a Spiderman issue a while back? If so, then Supes would have no problem.

No, we're talking about a Silver Surfer who isn't writtin poorly.

Superman

08-05-2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man

No, we're talking about a Silver Surfer who isn't writtin poorly.

LOL:)

Superman

08-05-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Anubis

Yeah but Thor beat the Surfer. What does that tell you?

Well that tell me that he was writtin poorly like ASM said.:)

Anubis

08-05-2002, 04:33 PM

Yeah but it is all apart of continuity so it still happened in the Marvel Universe. He will never live it down.

Anyway, Thor beat both Adam Warlock and the Surfer in a comic once. He went into that worrior rage he tends to go into and beat them. If you think supes can beat Thor then he should be able to beat the Surfer too. But then again I don't know much about the Surfer or his powers, or who he has fought. ( Besides, Galactus and Thanos ) So to tell you the truth I can't say. But he did lose to Thor and that is a fact that has some relivance to the Thread.

Kroc1138

08-05-2002, 05:14 PM

Superman can increase his powers at an exponential rate when in close proximity to the Sun. His power don't have a limit, he just keeps it ay a specific reasonabe level to live on Earth. Read the Trial of Superman. Also when Superman Returned from the dead, he got a power increase (not related to the Sun) that started in Action Comics 696 and Man of Steel 30, where he got so powerful. He Kicked Lobo's ass, punching him into orbit and some other stuff. So don't count Supes out yet.

Well I'd like to see Silver Surfer face Doomsday. At the level Doomsday is now after facing Superman (the first time). The Surfer would be hard pressed to defeat him, and if he did Doomsday would come back, evolved beyond the capacity for the Silver surfer to defeat him.

Spidey Rules

08-06-2002, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man

No, we're talking about a Silver Surfer who isn't writtin poorly.

Well using your logic I guess I can say that Superman has been poorly written and that his true power has been watered down. I guess it depends on who writes the comic book. I've never read either Superman or Silver Surfer comics, so I'll leave this to the experts.

THOR

08-08-2002, 02:45 AM

Superman is definately outclassed in the power department by The Silver Surfer. He can drain the suns radiation from Superman as he drained the Hulks Gamma radiation in Hulk # 250. Thus Supermans battery would be on E and he would be vulnerable. The Silver could shoot kryptonite rays from his hands, engulf superman with a force filed around his head so he couldn't breath, or fly him into the Sun and fry him. Superman is fast but the Silver flys at hyperspace speeds! The Flash doesn't come close to that.I think Thor versus Superman would be much closer, however I give Thor the edge in fighting ability and also his MAGIC hammer. Anyone else see Captain Marvel lay the smack down lightning style on Superman in Kingdom Come? That is a Thor specialty. One hit from some lightning and a good wallop with the hammer and Supes is in trouble. Especially now that Thor has the Odin force as well.

Spidey Rules

08-08-2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by THOR
He drained the Hulks Gamma radiation in Hulk # 250.

Wouldn't that mean that Dr. Banner would be cured of the Hulk curse? Since there is no more radiation, no more Hulk, right?

If the surfer is that tough, then how did Carnage beat him (yes someone mentioned it was poorly written, but since it happened, doesn't that make it a fact) and how was Dr. Doom able to beat him?

THOR

08-08-2002, 10:39 PM

Hey Spidey Rules check out that issue. He did cure the Hulk. But gave him back the radiation to save him as he went a little mad after finally being free of the force field. The other case of Doctor Doom is a genius developing a weapon to drain the Surfers power cosmic. As for Carnage, that is just poor writing, nothing more. One blast from The Silver and Carnage is ash.

The Amazing Spider-Man

08-08-2002, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Spidey Rules

Well using your logic I guess I can say that Superman has been poorly written and that his true power has been watered down. I guess it depends on who writes the comic book. I've never read either Superman or Silver Surfer comics, so I'll leave this to the experts.

Oh, come on Silver Surfer being defeated by the Carnage symbiote, or rather ambushed and connecting with it, is Silver Surfer being written poorly. I've never read Silver Surfer comics either, but he SHOULD NOT be defeated by Carnage. The dude was given his powers by Galactus, a symbiote should be a pushover.

Superman

08-11-2002, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by THOR
the Silver flys at hyperspace speeds! The Flash doesn't come close to that.

Have you read Flash ever?
Flash is just as fast if not faster than hyperspeed.

The Flash (http://www.comicboards.com/dcguide/Who/Flash3_Bio.htm)

THOR

08-11-2002, 06:32 PM

Actually I have read Flash, and yes he is not as fast as the Silver Surfer. A mortal who runs/vibrates etc is quick, an alien who flies on a surboard through galaxies is quicker in my opinion. I rember an old issue of Superman where that version of the Flash could barely beat Supes? Perhaps that was poor writing in that issue? If you have an issue or factoid that proves that the Flash is indeed faster than hyperspace travel then I would love to see it. The marvel superheroes game lists the Silver Surfers flying speed in space as Class 5000. Thats about as high as that game goes power wise. That is a mutiplier of light speed. I thought the Flash could run at light speed?

Superman

08-12-2002, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by THOR
Actually I have read Flash, and yes he is not as fast as the Silver Surfer. A mortal who runs/vibrates etc is quick, an alien who flies on a surboard through galaxies is quicker in my opinion. I rember an old issue of Superman where that version of the Flash could barely beat Supes? Perhaps that was poor writing in that issue? If you have an issue or factoid that proves that the Flash is indeed faster than hyperspace travel then I would love to see it. The marvel superheroes game lists the Silver Surfers flying speed in space as Class 5000. Thats about as high as that game goes power wise. That is a mutiplier of light speed. I thought the Flash could run at light speed?

I have that book, it was before he discovered the speed force.
I don't know anything about this Class 5000 thing, I don't play those games but if you read the link above you will see this....

"Wally West can now run faster than any of the other Flashes before him"

Now The old Flashes could run at the speed of light, 186.000 miles a sec.
So if they could run that fast and he is much faster than they are then I think it's safe to say that he could run at hyperspace speeds. That is if he could run in space.;) :)

That-Guy

08-19-2002, 12:50 PM

That's a tough one. Both have their advantages. By the way, did any of you ever read that Green Lantern vs. Silver Surfer that came out a long time ago? That was good stuff.

MJB

08-20-2002, 03:58 AM

It's obvious that the Surfer would win. The Silver Surfer was ranked as the most powerful Superhero in the comic world by Wizard magazine. Characters like Galactus or the Spectre or other god like beings wern't considered. At any rate the reason that characters such as Thor, Carnage, and the Hulk has beaten the Surfer was do to poor writing, or writers lessing the Surfer's abilities so they can write a battle between such characters as the Hulk and the surfer or whoever. The Sufer is a great character, but was never given threats or charaters were never created that was worthy of him. His own series just wasn't developed to good potential. The Surfer would mop the floor with Supes and the rest of the JLA combined. Now a good writer could make it interesting and have a lessor powered being win by outsmarting the Surfer, like maybe Batman would think up a way or Reed Richards, now things like that I can accept, but not someone like Carnage beating the Surfer in a flat out fight. I'll even give Superman a chance to win over the Surfer if he was to out think him, but not in a flat out battle, I'm sorry Supes would lose.

MJB

08-20-2002, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Spidey Rules
Are we talking about the same Silver Surfer that was beaten by Carnage in a Spiderman issue a while back? If so, then Supes would have no problem.

Lets not forget about Superman was beaten by Venom in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers, and spidey shows up and saves Supes from Venom. That was a poorly written Superman.

Superboy

04-12-2004, 03:06 PM

****** (poll bumper) be cool!

Guyverjay

04-12-2004, 03:27 PM

Surfer wins

Docker2.0

04-12-2004, 04:04 PM

How is this poll even close? My bad!! It's in a Superman thread! There is no way Superman would win. Well there is a way but.......bad writin doesn't count. With the exception of strength MAYBE, well cancel that maybe, Surfer has Supes matched. Plus anyone that knows comics and comes in with a really open mind knows that the power cosmic is even above Superman level. And to be fair to both Superman and Silver Surfer, Venom or Carnage shouldn't be able to beat either of them.

Docker2.0

04-12-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Docker
How is this poll even close? My bad!! It's in a Superman thread! There is no way Superman would win. Well there is a way but.......bad writin doesn't count. With the exception of strength MAYBE, well cancel that maybe, Superman has Surfer matched in that dept but not by much. Plus anyone that knows comics and comes in with a really open mind knows that the power cosmic is even above Superman level. And to be fair to both Superman and Silver Surfer, Venom or Carnage shouldn't be able to beat either of them.

krisboyuk

04-12-2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Superman
Have you read Flash ever?
Flash is just as fast if not faster than hyperspeed.

The Flash (http://www.comicboards.com/dcguide/Who/Flash3_Bio.htm) Flash has the potential to be faster than SS but it would probably require a fatal risk with the speed force. SS moves at warp speeds. He can get through galaxies in seconds. If the Flash moved that fast, which he could, he would be lost to the speed force.

As for Supes vs. the Surfer. Surfer wins. No contest.

Kroc1138

04-12-2004, 08:09 PM

I hate to get Childish here but PreCrisis Supes w/ or w/o sword of Superman would take down SS with minimal effort.

Docker2.0

04-13-2004, 01:22 PM

Oh yeah!! There is no way the Surfer is going to win in this poll. It's in a Superman thread and some people don't even give reasons why Superman would win. Just cuase.

krisboyuk

04-13-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Kroc1138
I hate to get Childish here but PreCrisis Supes w/ or w/o sword of Superman would take down SS with minimal effort. Pre-Crisis Supes could take down God, blindfolded, with no use of his arms or legs. So please don't included him. Current Superman would lose.

BooJay

04-14-2004, 01:09 PM

mmmm yeah, I'm thinkin the Surfer would whoop Supes. Doesn't he have the power to destroy planets/create life, etc?

GAMMA MONSTER

04-14-2004, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by krisboyuk
Pre-Crisis Supes could take down God, blindfolded, with no use of his arms or legs. So please don't included him. Current Superman would lose. yes couldent take the Hulk in a fist fight.

ironfistgod1

04-15-2004, 05:56 AM

It seems that few of you actually know the capabilities of each hero. While Surfer does comand the power cosmic, Sman does harbor more than adequate amounts of sheer brute strength to send SS cowering back to mighty Galactus. During the Infinity Gauntlet debaucle, SS had his shellhead cracked by Thanos, who I might add was nearly mauled by the Hulk and was only saved by using the gauntlet to tamper with reality to shrink the not-so-jolly green giant! Sman's strength supeiority to the Hulk is common knowledge and is supported by the logic that greenie meanie cant get too angy when he's unconsious, of which he has been incapacitated by lesser foes in the past. The Only way SS could dispatch of Sman is if SS supercharged his cosmic attack and successfully unleashed it on a clever and powerful moving target. This one is tough to call either way. Making a solid decision at this point would make one too suspect of an ill-informed bias!

GAMMA MONSTER

04-15-2004, 06:37 PM

no offence or anything,but silver surfer is quite a bit more powerful in just a bout every field than superman.also when has superman ever beat he Hulk phyiscaly in a fight that was not voted on.or has been proven strong enough to beat him fast enough for the Hulk not to get enraged

Guyverjay

04-15-2004, 07:04 PM

Docker2.0

04-16-2004, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by ironfistgod1
It seems that few of you actually know the capabilities of each hero. While Surfer does comand the power cosmic, Sman does harbor more than adequate amounts of sheer brute strength to send SS cowering back to mighty Galactus. During the Infinity Gauntlet debaucle, SS had his shellhead cracked by Thanos, who I might add was nearly mauled by the Hulk and was only saved by using the gauntlet to tamper with reality to shrink the not-so-jolly green giant! Sman's strength supeiority to the Hulk is common knowledge and is supported by the logic that greenie meanie cant get too angy when he's unconsious, of which he has been incapacitated by lesser foes in the past. The Only way SS could dispatch of Sman is if SS supercharged his cosmic attack and successfully unleashed it on a clever and powerful moving target. This one is tough to call either way. Making a solid decision at this point would make one too suspect of an ill-informed bias! You obviously don't know what your talking about!!! What proof do you have that Superman is strong than the Hulk? Even if he was, in which I doubt, Surfer doesn't rely on strength alone. Have you read his comics? Surfer could destroy planets if need be and all kind of things. Why do you think when he and Superman met in the comics, they didn't fight? Superman was quick to fight Juggernaut out of the blue, even though it was out of character but we know why he didnt' fight Surfer, cuase the peeps at DC and Marvel know there is no way Supes is beatin him. So they teamed up from the jump. No how many times has that happened in a crossover? :rolleyes: Never!

Casius--J

04-18-2004, 06:08 AM

The sufer's got this one, he has the powers of a God so can do many things to counteract supes moves.

DSprangthlgnd

04-21-2004, 05:42 PM

In this particular case, it would depend on which version of the Man of Steel is being brought out of the closet.I'm going to assume (going by most of the responses) we are refering to the current version of Superman. This means that he's stronger than the MOS version done by Byrne,but nowhere near the pre-crisis version of big blue.(actually,there is no character in existence that could match up w\pre crisis Superman.)
Well......lets take the current version in hand and he still could give the Surfer a run for his money.If the cosmically charged surfer showed up,Supes would have to take a sun bath to hang w /surfer,but if the conventional version of both of them were duking it out,then I'd say that 7 times out of 10 Superman has enough moxie to win.

Guyverjay

04-21-2004, 06:43 PM

Take a sun bath my ass, it takes 11 minutes for supes to get to the sun at his top speed. Whats SS going to be doing ? Scratching his ass?

The surfer could also take a sun bath and obliterate superman.

10 times out of 10 surfer wins:o

04-22-2004, 01:09 PM

Anyone read issue 4 of JLA/Avengers? The Radioactive Man put Superman down, using a specific wavelength of radiation. The Silver Surfer once threatened The Gladiator by saying this. "I could easily defeat you, I know your weakness. A simple wave of my hand and it would be done". The Silver Surfer could and probably would detect that weakness in Superman's bio-matrix force field from the very beginning, and blast Superman with a heavy dose of that radiation. His force field would overload, and he'd be extremly vulnerable. Get your !!!! straight guys. :o

Docker2.0

04-22-2004, 02:28 PM

Don't even waste your breath Mr. X. Superman could admit that he couldn't beat the Surfer and some people would come up with a thousand reasons as to why he could. It is just a waste of time. Why do you think it is in a Superman thread? It is called false reassurance.

04-22-2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Docker
Don't even waste your breath Mr. X. Superman could admit that he couldn't beat the Surfer and some people would come up with a thousand reasons as to why he could. It is just a waste of time. Why do you think it is in a Superman thread? It is called false reassurance.

True, true. :(

DSprangthlgnd

04-24-2004, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Anyone read issue 4 of JLA/Avengers? The Radioactive Man put Superman down, using a specific wavelength of radiation. The Silver Surfer once threatened The Gladiator by saying this. "I could easily defeat you, I know your weakness. A simple wave of my hand and it would be done". The Silver Surfer could and probably would detect that weakness in Superman's bio-matrix force field from the very beginning, and blast Superman with a heavy dose of that radiation. His force field would overload, and he'd be extremly vulnerable. Get your !!!! straight guys. :o

Gee, I didn't know that SS was actuslly the reincarnation of the messiah himself.Thank God you have set me straight;there's no telling what kind of social disgrace I may have suffered by believing this way.I guess you told me.

:rolleyes:

04-24-2004, 06:44 PM

And was I talking directly to you, retardo? :o

Gimili

04-26-2004, 10:38 PM

Superman wins... IF the Surfer is being poorly portrayed like half the writers do.

Docker2.0

04-27-2004, 01:03 PM

Agreed Gimili. Mr. X, ignore dude. He's a rookie, he don't know any better.

04-27-2004, 03:04 PM

HerosOnFilm

04-27-2004, 11:24 PM

You can't pit omnipotent heroes against weaker, albeit powerful, heroes. Red Skull vs. Per Degaton makes sense. Iron Man vs. Steel makes sense. Darkseid vs Apocolypse makes sense.

These two characters are in an entirely different class from each other.

Docker2.0

04-28-2004, 01:08 PM

So what are you saying Hero? Superman wins? j/k

Docker2.0

04-28-2004, 01:09 PM

You really saying the Surfer would win right? :confused:

HerosOnFilm

04-28-2004, 01:25 PM

Yeah, Surfer wins :D

Docker2.0

04-28-2004, 01:26 PM

Okay just checking.

04-28-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by HerosOnFilm
You can't pit omnipotent heroes against weaker, albeit powerful, heroes. Red Skull vs. Per Degaton makes sense. Iron Man vs. Steel makes sense. Darkseid vs Apocolypse makes sense.

These two characters are in an entirely different class from each other.

The thing is, Surfer really isn't all that more different from most MU Earth hero's, he's not way cosmic or anything. Only thing is, his strength has always been pretty consistent, and he's never really been written as unbeatable, ala Superman. Karnak's beaten him, Doom's beaten him, The Thing's beaten him, and so on. Great character. :up:

Gimili

04-28-2004, 06:23 PM

That has far more to do with the writers' inability to come to a complete consensus of how powerful the Silver Surfer's supposed
to be than him being on the same level as the likes of Iron Man and Hercules. He can be sandwiched between Galactus' hands and instantly heal himself upon release in one book and be hurt by the Thing in another.

04-28-2004, 06:28 PM

Iron Man's beaten him before. Helluva fight though, and Stark really had to use his mind.

And The SS has never been on Galactus's level. He himseld has said before that Galactus could easily kill him if he wanted to, even when he's near death and extremly weak. The Thing has never really hurt him, per say. He knocked him out by hitting him in the head with his own board.

Gimili

04-28-2004, 11:05 PM

I don't know about that Iron Man battle. If Iron Man won via knockout, I'm inclined to believe that it lacked credibility, no matter
how much he used his brain.

I never said that the Silver Surfer was anywhere near Galactus. I only said he survived being sandwiched between his hands, which
is a very impressive durability feat any way you slice it. Oh, yeah, this was one of the few times Galactus was actually trying to kill him.

That surfboard thing sounds like a "cheap-out." The Thing's strength should still limit the force the surfboard packs severely.

Since we're on the topic, the Silver Surfer's power feats include absorbing a star, shutting down all the machines on the planet, and time travel by going faster than light.

04-29-2004, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Gimili I don't know about that Iron Man battle. If Iron Man won via knockout, I'm inclined to believe that it lacked credibility, no matter
how much he used his brain.

It took just about everything Stark had. He dropped a freakin mountain on the SS, and was absorbing the energy the SS was shooting at him, re-directing it, and so on. If the SS went all out, Stark would of been dead without a doubt.

I never said that the Silver Surfer was anywhere near Galactus. I only said he survived being sandwiched between his hands, which
is a very impressive durability feat any way you slice it. Oh, yeah, this was one of the few times Galactus was actually trying to kill him.

Galactus has never truly wanted to kill the SS, the two are very, very close. When Galactus died a couple of years ago, the SS was very torn up about it. And no one's debating how tough the SS is, he's extremly durable.

That surfboard thing sounds like a "cheap-out." The Thing's strength should still limit the force the surfboard packs severely.

Not really, his board is ultra tough, like adamantium and then some. I believe the SS's brain is still human, so his head is still somewhat vulnerable, as is Firelords. Karnak once knocked out The SS by hitting him in the head with a bunch of rock. Then again Karnak can detect the weakness in just about anything.

Gimili

04-29-2004, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
It took just about everything Stark had. He dropped a freakin mountain on the SS, and was absorbing the energy the SS was shooting at him, re-directing it, and so on. If the SS went all out, Stark would of been dead without a doubt.

Well, that description does sound believable.

Galactus has never truly wanted to kill the SS, the two are very, very close. When Galactus died a couple of years ago, the SS was very torn up about it. And no one's debating how tough the SS is, he's extremly durable.

Galactus has never wanted to kill the Surfer, but that doesn't mean he never tried. In the story I refer to, Galactus says, "so be it. The Surfer shall soar no more!"

True, no one's arguing that the Silver Surfer is tough (save of course those who say that Superman can easily knock him out), but the Surfer's fights with Galactus prove that he's very inconsistent.

Not really, his board is ultra tough, like adamantium and then some.

My original point stands. Captain America has demonstrated in the past that while his shield is stronger than adamantium, he can't throw it hard enough to matter.

I believe the SS's brain is still human, so his head is still somewhat vulnerable, as is Firelords. Karnak once knocked out The SS by hitting him in the head with a bunch of rock. Then again Karnak can detect the weakness in just about anything.

There's still the problem of having to get through the Surfer's tough skin to get to the brain. Plus, if a rock can hit the brain and knock him out, he should be knocked out every time a fellow entity even grazes it.

04-29-2004, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Gimili Galactus has never wanted to kill the Surfer, but that doesn't mean he never tried. In the story I refer to, Galactus says, "so be it. The Surfer shall soar no more!"

Was he talking about the force field he erected around Earth to keep the SS in?

My original point stands. Captain America has demonstrated in the past that while his shield is stronger than adamantium, he can't throw it hard enough to matter.

Captain America's shield is a helluva lot tougher then adamantium. Thing is, he's human, albeit a strong one. But that in the hands of The Hulk, or Superman as shown in JLA/Avengers #4, and they would be near unstopable with it.

There's still the problem of having to get through the Surfer's tough skin to get to the brain. Plus, if a rock can hit the brain and knock him out, he should be knocked out every time a fellow entity even grazes it.

Hit him hard enough and the brain will be effect. It rattling around and what not. And as I said before, Karnak can find specific weakness's in just about anything. Not to mention it was used to further the story and the SS wasn't really trying either, as he usually isn't.

SSR_Forest

04-30-2004, 12:37 AM

And yet the silver surfer been beat by lesser superheros and had his powers stolen by dr doom. Also hulk was able to give him a hard time by mr. x respect thread where the hulk grab his board and was breaking it.

But no superman should never ever beat a superpower surfer, because even if he does somehow win it is bad writing.

But when the Hulk and other guys do it,it is ok for him to lose to them right.

How many time in marvel has the little guys fought somebody with power like the surfer, Gladiator and Galactus.

From a mathematical standpoint, such beings would experience no threat whatsoever from normal Thor, or an enraged Hulk, or a Silver Surfer, etc.

So is it reasonable to belived that superman can win someway,somehow by fighting smart and Strategic planning.

So in a straight up fight superman loses. But with planning and other things he can coup a win.

Gimili

04-30-2004, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Was he talking about the force field he erected around Earth to keep the SS in?

Of course not. It was when he was sandwiching the Silver Surfer between his hands. In other words, Galactus was trying to kill
the Surfer.

Captain America's shield is a helluva lot tougher then adamantium. Thing is, he's human, albeit a strong one. But that in the hands of The Hulk, or Superman as shown in JLA/Avengers #4, and they would be near unstopable with it.

Which is kinda what I said, which is that Cap's strength limits the force behind his shield.

Hit him hard enough and the brain will be effect. It rattling around and what not. And as I said before, Karnak can find specific weakness's in just about anything. Not to mention it was used to further the story and the SS wasn't really trying either, as he usually isn't.

Well, that still raises the question of how he can be punched in the head by another entity and not have his brain turned to spaghetti.

04-30-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by SSR_Forest And yet the silver surfer been beat by lesser superheros and had his powers stolen by dr doom. Also hulk was able to give him a hard time by mr. x respect thread where the hulk grab his board and was breaking it.

You talk about Dr. Doom like he isn't anything special. He beat Galactus and the freakin' Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He stole the power from a Watcher before too.

How many time in marvel has the little guys fought somebody with power like the surfer, Gladiator and Galactus.

It makes for an interesting interesting read. And Galactus could kill anyone on the MU Earth with a stay thought, it's been said before. It would be more trouble then it's worth though.

And Superman isn't exactly the biggest think in comicdom. And this is a staight up fight, Superman doesen't get the priviledge to get to plan ahead of time.

04-30-2004, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by GimiliOf course not. It was when he was sandwiching the Silver Surfer between his hands. In other words, Galactus was trying to kill the Surfer.

As I said before, and I'll say again, if he really wanted him dead, he'd be dead. These are comics man, lighten up a little. You do know how powerful Galactus is right? Second force of the universe and all?

Well, that still raises the question of how he can be punched in the head by another entity and not have his brain turned to spaghetti.

Once again, these are comics. Not everything is explainable.

Gimili

05-01-2004, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
As I said before, and I'll say again, if he really wanted him dead, he'd be dead. These are comics man, lighten up a little. You do know how powerful Galactus is right? Second force of the universe and all?

The point is, this is an incredibly impressive feat any way you look at it.

And yes, I know how powerful Galactus is. At anywhere near his strongest, the mightiest heroes on Earth are like ants to him.

Once again, these are comics. Not everything is explainable.

Perhaps not, but this is. The logical explanation is that bad writing
happens at times.

05-01-2004, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
And yes, I know how powerful Galactus is. At anywhere near his strongest, the mightiest heroes on Earth are like ants to him.

It took almost everyone on Marvel Earth, plus the Shi'ar, plus about the best from half a dozen other worlds to stop a dying, extremly weak Galactus.

And yes, bad writing does happen sometimes.

Docker2.0

05-01-2004, 08:04 PM

Gimili, no offense but do you actually think with NOO prep time, Superman can beat the Surfer?

Gimili

05-01-2004, 08:22 PM

No.

Docker2.0

05-01-2004, 08:23 PM

OH okay, you saying WITH prep time he could beat the Surfer?

Bapman

05-01-2004, 09:15 PM

I'm SORRY... but SUPERMAN.
Silver SURFER is moron who got knocked out........... by a brick.

Superman can quickly knock him out.... then take his time beating the crap outta him.

Gimili

05-01-2004, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Docker
OH okay, you saying WITH prep time he could beat the Surfer?

Yes. With a sneak attack, I'd give Superman 1 win out of 10. 2 if he's lucky.

05-02-2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Bapman
I'm SORRY... but SUPERMAN.
Silver SURFER is moron who got knocked out........... by a brick.

Superman can quickly knock him out.... then take his time beating the crap outta him.

And Pre-Crisis Superman was once knocked out by a giant monkey.

Want to elaborate a little bit on your blatantly wrong statement?

Docker2.0

05-03-2004, 01:36 PM

He can't X. I think it is just a bias statement. When people say someone can win with no debate, just hit and run, most of the time it is a bias statement.

05-03-2004, 08:11 PM

Sadly true. :(

Bapman

05-03-2004, 10:04 PM

Ok...... seriously speaking.
SILVER SURFER... DID get knocked out with a brick.
True or False ???
TRUE.
What I said might have been in a humoruos way... but it is true.
If Superman PUNCHES the surfer even remotely hard... he'd get knocked out.
n SUPERMAN usually goes for the chin or cheek.

Then.... SURFER doesn't know abt KRYPTONITE... SURFER doesn't KNOW he's solar powered.
n Surfer may MOVE fast... but he himself is not tht fast.

I m saying this from a logical point of view.
I don't know if SURFER can detect tht SUPEs is solar n thn draw out his energy... or if its even POSIIBLE to draw out SUPE's energy just like tht.

I'm not saying SUPES would murder SURFER either.
It could go anyways.
SURFERs powers are too wide... he could keep on shooting SUPERMAN n automatically discover somerthing like a K-Beam n take out SUPES... or he could boost SUPEs n put him on overdrive.

It's just too random... then SUPEs could just comes at max speed n keep on moving around SURFEr... SURFER won't be to trail him properly. BUT let's say SUPEs doesn't hit on the face n only on the stomach n shoulder n all.... tht's not gonna do much.

Sooo again..... their both too damn powerful n have too varied of a range to easily say who'd win.

05-03-2004, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Bapman
Ok...... seriously speaking.
SILVER SURFER... DID get knocked out with a brick.
True or False ???
TRUE.
What I said might have been in a humoruos way... but it is true.
If Superman PUNCHES the surfer even remotely hard... he'd get knocked out.
n SUPERMAN usually goes for the chin or cheek.

Then.... SURFER doesn't know abt KRYPTONITE... SURFER doesn't KNOW he's solar powered.
n Surfer may MOVE fast... but he himself is not tht fast.

I m saying this from a logical point of view.
I don't know if SURFER can detect tht SUPEs is solar n thn draw out his energy... or if its even POSIIBLE to draw out SUPE's energy just like tht.

I'm not saying SUPES would murder SURFER either.
It could go anyways.
SURFERs powers are too wide... he could keep on shooting SUPERMAN n automatically discover somerthing like a K-Beam n take out SUPES... or he could boost SUPEs n put him on overdrive.

It's just too random... then SUPEs could just comes at max speed n keep on moving around SURFEr... SURFER won't be to trail him properly. BUT let's say SUPEs doesn't hit on the face n only on the stomach n shoulder n all.... tht's not gonna do much.

Sooo again..... their both too damn powerful n have too varied of a range to easily say who'd win.

You're still not acknowledging what I said earlier. Superman's been knocked out by a giant monkey before, none the less Pre-Crisis Superman. Comic's are inconsistent. The Hulk was once beaten by a normal ol' boa constrictor. Does that mean that one can logically beat him? No, it means that things are sometimes done in comics to further the story and what not. The Silver Surfer has taken hits from some of the most powerful beings in The universe. The Champion of The Universe, Thanos, Galactus, The Hulk, and so on. Trust me, he could easily take a beating from Superman. And just to clarify, the SS would easily detect Superman's solor energy, the SS is the wielder and pretty much total master over the power cosmic. It would be next to impossible for him to not notice it.

Gimili

05-04-2004, 11:50 AM

The Silver Surfer detected the gamma in the Hulk before draining him. Also, he absorbed a star in Infinity Crusade.

'Nuff said.

vengence

05-04-2004, 08:54 PM

silver surfer would win I think

Bapman

05-05-2004, 10:40 PM

OK... then SUPERMAN would definitely lose.
The other question I wanna ask is...

Can SUPERMAN's energy be DRAINED outta him ???

05-06-2004, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Bapman
OK... then SUPERMAN would definitely lose.
The other question I wanna ask is...

Can SUPERMAN's energy be DRAINED outta him ???

If could with someone as talented as manipulating the power cosmic as the SS.

Bapman

05-11-2004, 09:24 PM

Well... tht's just a THEORY like PROFESSOR X would be able to MIND Control SUPERMAN.... which BTW isn't TRUE.
SUPERMAN has a highlevel mental protection
n UPTIL I haven't really ever SEEN or READ about his powers being drained OUT OF him.
Sooo... was wondering... can it ACTUALLY be done ???

Docker2.0

05-12-2004, 01:58 PM

First off, Professor X could control Superman. His "mental protection" isn't that strong, maybe human strength. He has been controlled numerous times. Silver Surfer has drained gamma out of the Hulk which I'm sure draining solar power from Superman would be a piece of cake. He has done it for Galactus lots of times.

05-12-2004, 04:07 PM

Superman's mind is harder to control then a normal humans. Sometimes people like Poison Ivy have been able to control him, and on others he's been shown to have amazing will-power and resistance and all that. In general though he's pretty hard to control. Kryptonian brain design and all that makes it harder, among other things.

Bapman

05-13-2004, 12:12 AM

Ok... that explains that.
BUT non of you have YET answered my question.

You're saying... SURFER can DRAIn SUPERMAN's energy 'cause he drained HULK's

BUT has anyone ever MANAGED TO DRAIn SUPERMAN's energy ???

'Cause if NO... thn sorry... it doesn't really matter if SURFER can draw HULk's energy or not.

n 2ndly... SUPERMAN can be mindcontrolled by an extremely powerful TELEPATH IF Superman doesn't know about it well.
It's written in the SUPERMAN guidebook tht he himself is lightly telepathic... so if he KNOWS someone's trying to MIND CONTROL... n resists... its gonna be 20 times more difficult to MIND CONTROL him.
You're gonna need someone with MARTIAN MANHUNTER's calibre to control him... no PROF X.

Docker2.0

05-13-2004, 12:50 PM

Well I have seen Superman under a red sun for like 5 minutes and his power is completely gone. It drained pretty quickly. So I think that Surfer could drain it in a heartbeat if that is the case. Plus you have to realize, the Surfer deals with cosmic rays on a daily basis. You think he couldn't sense it in a person and giving them strength? That is like Oprah walking into a bakery, smellin pizza and not knowin what it is.

Mr. X, not saying that Superman has a weak mind, however, I do think Professer X could control him if push came to shove. He may have a stronger mind but if some of the "weaker" villians in DC could control him, then the most powerful telepath in Marvel should be able to.

05-13-2004, 04:16 PM

I agree. Xavier definitely could get what needed to be done if he had to.

And I'm not sure if anyone has ever drained Supermans solor energy. I'm not a huge fan or anything. But, using common sense, it would seemingly be pretty easy for someone along the lines of the SS. He has control over all types of power, he could draw out a normal persons life force if he wanted to.

Fenomeno

05-16-2004, 07:37 PM

Superman all the way!

05-16-2004, 08:05 PM

Want to elaborate a little bit?

Bapman

05-16-2004, 08:35 PM

Hmmm.... so rather than drawing SUPERMAN's solar energy... can't the SURFER just draw out his life energy ???
I mean.... won't that be easier ???
Anyway... the weaker characters in DC who mindcontrolled SUPERMAN were with potions n chemicals... not with TELEPATHY.
n EVen Martian Manhunter has a probs telepathically connecting with SUPERMAN...
so no when push comes to SHOVE Prof. X might not be to CONTROL SUperman.
He might be able to read his thoughts n maybe project halluciantions into his head... but that's it.

05-16-2004, 08:38 PM

The Surfer doesen't usually aim to kill.

TheBatman1979

05-22-2004, 10:56 PM

Well if you guys really want to get into SS vs Supes, Silver Surfer was basically canceled because they had made him too powerful. There was no one in the Marvel U. left for him to beat or be outclassed by.

Supes is (and I can't believe I'm going to say this) a much more believable character because he can still be beaten.

Now they brought back the Sufer some months agao ( a book I refuse to read) so I don't know if they've limited his powers or not but by going with the last incarnation of the Sufer and the current incarnation of Supes, well, Sufer bounces him through a few galaxies like a beach ball.
Nuff said.

05-22-2004, 11:37 PM

The Silver Surfer too powerful? Errr, not really. Especially considering almost everything SS related ever written as been great, and his powers have been handled just as well. Not to mention he's routinly going up against some people as The Hulk, Thor, Elder's of The Universe, Thanos, Mephisto, and so on. He also has his own vulnerabilities, and they've always been shown extremly well. Karnak, an Inhuman, once knocked the SS out cold. He's one of Marvel's best characters, don't knock him.

Docker2.0

05-24-2004, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by TheBatman1979
Well if you guys really want to get into SS vs Supes, Silver Surfer was basically canceled because they had made him too powerful. There was no one in the Marvel U. left for him to beat or be outclassed by.

Supes is (and I can't believe I'm going to say this) a much more believable character because he can still be beaten.

Now they brought back the Sufer some months agao ( a book I refuse to read) so I don't know if they've limited his powers or not but by going with the last incarnation of the Sufer and the current incarnation of Supes, well, Sufer bounces him through a few galaxies like a beach ball.
Nuff said. *cough*cough* DC biased* Cough*cough*

Gambit_Fan

05-29-2004, 08:29 AM

i think it be too close to call really it would defenitly be a good match

Guyverjay

05-29-2004, 09:15 AM

No offense Gambit fan but aren't you the guy that thinks batman and cyclops can beat Goku?:D LOL

superman1521

12-26-2006, 09:29 PM

superman all the way

AgentPat

12-26-2006, 10:30 PM

Holy crap! This is without a doubt The. Oldest. Thread. I've EVER seen brought back from the dead. Wow. LMAO!!!

Oh... and yeah, Supes baby, all da way. :p

Showtime

12-27-2006, 11:54 AM

I second that notion, can we hand out awards?

Dark_Gambit

12-27-2006, 03:44 PM

I dont like saying it because I like supes but the Surfer would take it.

DarkSuperman

12-27-2006, 04:44 PM

I love big blue but the surfer would rock superman's ass like a hurricane.

The difference between them is that Surfer can do everything superman can only 10x Better. Superman draws his powers from the sun, SS draws his from the universe, thats every star! The Surfer can augment his strength to be as much as he wants, travel as fast as he wants, and do generally whatever he wants. Superman is da man, but The Silver Surfer is da God.

Bapman

12-29-2006, 07:21 PM

This is a very flawed fight to start with... so doesn't really matter.
Surfer is powerful... yes... but he got taken out with a Brick or was it a rock... I dont remember but it was one of those 2... no joke.
Surfer is FAST... that... vectoring fast... as in going somewhere really fast... he's not the bullet dodging or grabbing reflexing and fast like superman. Go ahead you can argue as much as you want but they have never shown him that way... hence he's not that.
Then... there was also this arguement about SURFER can just create Kryptonite to take out Supes... oh yeah ofcourse... he has a manual on what Supes is weakness... wht kind of chinese dish he likes right !?... Again... Flawed arguement... remember one clear thing... other than Kryptonie... its pointless to hit Supes with anything else... even Darkseid's omega beam became useless near the end.
Oh yeah... there's also the point that Surfer can drain Supe's energy... right... like Supe is gonna strike a pose and go... Have at thee alien monstosity... no... again flawed arguement.
NOW... to Surfer
The guy can go through STUFF... why would he even need to go hand to hand... he can shoot with cosmic blasts... when Supes fires heat vision realising he needs to go long range... Surfer will either block or become intangible... Now Surfer phasing his hand inside Supes's body and stopping his heart depends entire on the situation and the way they are fighting.

Lastly... as I said... it is a fight that really has no clear answer... Surfer fanboys will go he's 10x uber than Super... whether he is or not is beside the point.
And Super fanboys will go... Supe's cannot be beat by the pansy naked Silver guy.
They are both capable of taking each other out... Surfer in no way is Physically as powerful as Superman... while Superman does not have the variety of deadly powers Surfer has.