Has anybody changed their mind about the suit?

[Chris Wallace]

This is the last thread I'm opening about the suit. Ever. I promise. :supes:

[Super Kal]

sorry, I hated it at first, and I still hate it now. I'll still go and see the movie though

[ruhanv]

Hated it at first and now I love it! I never minded the collar, boots or belt. My problem with it was the colors and the first scanned image we got was way too dark. Since then we have seen an official WB press photo and the colors look much closer to the Donner films than previously thought. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Hated it at first,but the offical pic clears up one of my main problems with it which was the colours,little details like the buckle and shorts don't matter to much but i still think the \S/ is to small especially given Routh.So i guess my vote goes to it growing on me a bit

[bud7486]

Im in the middle about the suit. I like the \s/ but the red should be brighter and there should be a yellow \S/ on the Cape!!! Anyways im in the middle i dont love it but i dont hate it either. :supes:

[SuperYo]

Policeman: Do you like your new costume Superman!!

Superman: What the HELL you talking about officer?
http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/kirk/serial3.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Is he wearing a sweater?

[ViscaBarcaInter]

Unless there has been some new picture where the suit looks very different released in the past week that I'm somehow not aware of, the suit is still the one I didn't particularly like the first time I saw it.

I'll still go see the film though. :D :supes:

[Chris Wallace]

Not that I've seen.

[Chris Wallace]

Policeman: Do you like your new costume Superman!!

Superman: What the HELL you talking about officer?
http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/kirk/serial3.jpg
What's this from? Is there some sort of pre-George Reeves movie serial that I'm not up to speed on?

[lujho]

What's this from? Is there some sort of pre-George Reeves movie serial that I'm not up to speed on?

Um, yeah. Kirk Alyn was the first live action Superman in 2 serials, in 1948 and 1950.

George Reeves then starred in a stand alone theatrical movie (1951) before starring in the TV series in 1952.

[Kirk Langstrom]

nope, still hating it...

[Lobo]

I hated it at first, and now I'm starting to like it. The WB Routh Glossy photo helped. Much better Reds


http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Glossy_000.jpg

[mathhater]

I just hope people have gotten over their whole "I'm on the verge of tears now!"/"I'm not gonna see the movie cause the suit sucks" phase....to quote just a couple of posts I remember reading.

[Mentok]

Still not a huge fan... there are aspects that I like and some I dont like.

But I am grown up enough to accept it.

:o

[ViscaBarcaInter]

I hated it at first, and now I'm starting to like it. The WB Routh Glossy photo helped. Much better Reds


http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Glossy_000.jpg

That is a bit better. WB probably DID see all the bad reactions and chose a better mixture of colours for the official pictures.

[Lobo]

I don't LOVE it the shield needs to be bigger and I don't like the way the cape is attached I like the S on the belt though. But I accept it and it is growing on me that glossy helps a lot. Visca have you seen the latest blog :eek:

[superlakerman]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SR/SUPERMAN_RETURNS.jpg This should be the Suit!!!!!!!

[Chris Wallace]

That is a bit better. WB probably DID see all the bad reactions and chose a better mixture of colours for the official pictures.
Or they altered the pic, & the suit's still the same.

[Chris Wallace]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SR/SUPERMAN_RETURNS.jpg This should be the Suit!!!!!!!
The boots still suck, I'm not feelin' the belt, & the shield could stand to be a bit bigger.

[Eteric]

That is NOT how he should look. He looks to damn much like a circus clown...

[my0pic_spidey]

i hate to sound gay but.Dude where his nipples??

[Chris Wallace]

Uhhh-okay, Joel.

[akut401]

hated it first because of the original shot of the colors....now im happier cause the colors turned out to be the right ones...

[Bad Superman]

(Faking a British accent) I still hate the darn thing. But I admit the colors of that picture look nice ;)

[Chris Wallace]

hated it first because of the original shot of the colors....now im happier cause the colors turned out to be the right ones...
And I still think you've been had. We've seen one pic w/bright colors & 30 w/the dark tones. The interviews I've read describe exactly what we see in the first pic. One defense I keep coming across is that it's an homage to the Superman look of the '40s, which is nice except for one thing: THIS AIN'T THE FORTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you want to see Batman's original look on the big screen? Or Spider-Man's, w/the tiny eyes & fat spider emblem? I think not. Update & improve. Retro's for the nightclubs.

[TheBat812]

Singer said the Red was Crimson. Crimson is the color of the Official Glossy pic.

[Joker62389]

The shield could be a bit bigger...and the cape attachment does look weird, but I'll get used to it.

[GLREBORN]

The suit still looks like Crap.

[GLREBORN]

This isn't the Forties.....Good Mr. Wallace, You at last know what decade/century you're in, DC fans are useually living in the Middle Ages.

[bdpaco]

IMO the reason the \s/ looks to small is because of the angle the pic was taken. they shot it from a low vantage point to give the impression of Routh being tall and impressive in stature. Doing this with the "manties" makes his torso seem very long causing the \s/ to look small.
I think the studio would be wise to release some more pics from different angles so we can get a better idea of how the suit looks.
At first I HATED the suit, now its meh, I can live with it.
Like i said this is just my oppinion on it.

Paco

[Chris Wallace]

IMO the reason the \s/ looks to small is because of the angle the pic was taken. they shot it from a low vantage point to give the impression of Routh being tall and impressive in stature. Doing this with the "manties" makes his torso seem very long causing the \s/ to look small.
I think the studio would be wise to release some more pics from different angles so we can get a better idea of how the suit looks.
At first I HATED the suit, now its meh, I can live with it.
Like i said this is just my oppinion on it.

Paco
I don't think so. I think the shield looks small b/c it is small.
And perhaps a second pic is needed, if only to clarify the color scheme & quell some of the defenses.
BTW-this is what I think of when I hear "crimson"; not this.

[buggs0268]

F No! Hated it then. Hate it now

[mrnorth79]

We definitely need another picture (even two more) of Superman in costume. Something from head on, even in flight would be nice (which will probably never happen).

[Chris Wallace]

Why do you think that? It's almost mandatory.

[Sverdlovski]

Like it then, like it now.

[Zues4Life]

I've always loved the new supersuit and I still love it.

[Zues4Life]

The cape is just the right size.

[cabel]

I'm waiting for a new pic to be released

I'm certain that there was a development problem of some kind with the original pic.

anyone notice how yellow Routh's skin looked? He looked like Data from Star Trek

[Chris Wallace]

Okay-it's out. And clearly, the colors we saw all those months ago are indeed the suit's real colors. Now whatcha got to say?

[campbell551]

I think that the sheild looks small because he's wearing hip huggers. If the belt were higher it would look more like the superman we know.

[Chris Wallace]

Or maybe it's just small. That makes no sense. There's like 18 inches between the shield & the belt. How could one possibly affect the other?

[campbell551]

what do you think?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/campbell551/SUPERMAN_REdesign.jpg

[Eteric]

Okay-it's out. And clearly, the colors we saw all those months ago are indeed the suit's real colors. Now whatcha got to say?

Yup, doesn't mean that's what it will look like on screen though.

[Chris Wallace]

Okay-that's starting to sound a little like denial.

[Chris Wallace]

what do you think?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/campbell551/SUPERMAN_REdesign.jpg
Better, but I'd still like a bigger shield & I'm still not feelin' the boots.
For the record, I liked the idea of the raised shield. I thought they should've done that years ago. But those colors still don't sit right with me. This is not Superman's red. It's more like Daredevil's red. The shade of blue they picked is a bad contrast to it, the boots are horrible & while I applaud the effort to jazz up the belt, it just looks wrong. As wrong as when somebody puts a bat on Batman's belt. :supes:

[Zues4Life]

Anybody think that the suit we've seen is the one he'll be using to go to New Krypton?

[Lobo]

I thought that rumor got debubked?

[Zues4Life]

I don't know.I hope that he uses the black and silver suit for his journey to New Krypton though.

[Eteric]

I don't know.I hope that he uses the black and silver suit for his journey to New Krypton though.

THERE is NO New Krypton! *cries*

Just the ruins of the old one!

[Zues4Life]

Maybe he'll find Argo City.:D

[ad101867]

Since I'm a lousy manipper, I'm inviting whoever knows what they're doing to try to translate into a visual the following description of what could be (not sure yet) my ideal Super-suit (it's not "classic" but that doesn't mean it can't look good):


Start with Routh's bodysuit, darken the shade of blue like kakarot's done;
Keep the choke-collar BUT compensate for that by not having the cape tuck into the neckline; instead have it attached to the collar-bone area with attachments similar to what we saw on the Batman Begins cape; have the clasps shaped like the \S/ shield, but blank; I think the overall effect of this cape design would be quite regal;
Main shield somewhat raised, but still of cloth so that it's flexible; with flexibility, that means it can also be larger because it won't restrict Routh's movements or look "funny"; and a larger shield will compensate for . . .
No trunks; instead just a coloured band that angles slightly downward in front - same basic placement as Flash's and Spider-Man's; it could either be mainly yellow with red borders, or vice-versa;
Boots cut similarly to Routh's, but an inch or two higher;
Real red where red is called for - not maroon - but a darker red ala the Fleischer suit.
Now if somebody could actually create a manip of that, I'd love to see it.

[Sauron]

I'm trying to like it. :supes:

[Zod your ruler]

what do you think?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/campbell551/SUPERMAN_REdesign.jpg
If those were the actual colors, I'd get over my shield gripe and so forth. I guess we don't know yet whether there's a yellow \S/ on the cape do we?

[Sun_Down]

I'll echo just about everyone in this thread : not crazy about the shield size and "S" on the belt. The colors look much better in this pic though.

[Mauser9910]

I didn't like it in the first picture and I doubt it's been improved in the second one (it's just under a different angle).
Routh does look much more convincing on the second shot, but I don't think it makes the costume itself any better. There's hope we can forget about the flaws in the costume because there's a great Superman in it.

[Zod your ruler]

If those were the actual colors, I'd get over my shield gripe and so forth. I guess we don't know yet whether there's a yellow \S/ on the cape do we?
According to the other threads there is NO yellow \s/ on the cape, which I find disappointing, but not surprising.

[Masut]

lol I know I've said this many times already but has anyone thought about lighting affecting the suit? I mean, do you think they've used a 'special' material so that the reds become more vibrant when put under certain lighting.

I'm certain that if there is a shot of Superman flying in daytime with the sun behind him, that the reds will become more vibrant.

Anyone else think so?

[Metropolis_Man]

If those were the actual colors, I'd get over my shield gripe and so forth. I guess we don't know yet whether there's a yellow \S/ on the cape do we?



Thats nice. Messes my eyes up though from seeing the other version so much. lol. but i like this supes,

[Chris Wallace]

It's funny how the suit keeps getting photoshopped.

[Masut]

What's funny is that some people are really crap at it, lol. Or use paint - hahahaha

[NUFFSAID2004]

I just hope people have gotten over their whole "I'm on the verge of tears now!"/"I'm not gonna see the movie cause the suit sucks" phase....to quote just a couple of posts I remember reading.
I never personally said I was going to lose tears over the thing, exactly. However, everytime I look at it I feel like I do want to, umm.. puke though.:marv:

[NUFFSAID2004]

Hated it at first and now I love it! I never minded the collar, boots or belt. My problem with it was the colors and the first scanned image we got was way too dark. Since then we have seen an official WB press photo and the colors look much closer to the Donner films than previously thought. :up:You..You...You...."BIZZARO TRAITER"! May the "GHOST OF GREAT CEASER" (*as the Chief would so often say*) haunt your every waking moments!!!!:eek:

[BULLITT]

:supes: still looks too small

[SuperYo]

Policeman: Do you like your new costume Superman!!

Superman: What the HELL you talking about officer?
http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/kirk/serial3.jpg




I agree with my self!!

[Metropolis_Man]

I didnt like it too much at first, but no with each picture released and the blogs, I find myself liking it more and more.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Hated it then, hate it now....

[Axl Van Sixx]

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_Glossy_000.jpg

Wow...you've just created an interesting problem for me. I always thought that the new suit was fine. You might even say I was enthusiastic about the neo-Fleischer look it had. But this manip has totally ruined me on the dark colours. The brighter colours make the new suit look perfect. THIS is Superman. But even though you say that this is an official studio photo, I have to doubt it, because every other pic I've seen has the same dark colours and maroon brown cape.

And that's really too bad, because those brighter colours look fantastic. Superman is an optimistic character, and those are optimistic colours. :supes:

[The_Symbol]

"Hey What's up BadSuperman?" Just wanted to shout out atcha, since I saw you on the same thread. Hope everything's been going well. As far as my comment on this rendition of the suit...if the colors are as brilliant and vibrant as in these pictures...I'll be much happier with seeing the suit in the movie. The darker shades were just too...dark, like when he was "infected" in Superman 3.

[Super Kal]

Wow...you've just created an interesting problem for me. I always thought that the new suit was fine. You might even say I was enthusiastic about the neo-Fleischer look it had. But this manip has totally ruined me on the dark colours. The brighter colours make the new suit look perfect. THIS is Superman. But even though you say that this is an official studio photo, I have to doubt it, because every other pic I've seen has the same dark colours and maroon brown cape.

And that's really too bad, because those brighter colours look fantastic. Superman is an optimistic character, and those are optimistic colours. :supes:
unfortunately, that is just a well done manip. it is not a glossy of any kind

[Chris Wallace]

"Hey What's up BadSuperman?" Just wanted to shout out atcha, since I saw you on the same thread. Hope everything's been going well. As far as my comment on this rendition of the suit...if the colors are as brilliant and vibrant as in these pictures...I'll be much happier with seeing the suit in the movie.
They ain't. I've seen other pics. This is clearly a manip made to quiet the naysayers.
The darker shades were just too...dark, like when he was "infected" in Superman 3.
Never thought of it that way. But you're right. :supes:

[Mr. Socko]

Liked it then and Like it now.

[buggs0268]

hated it then. Seen the new pics. Hate it even more now. Stupid seams all over th place. The manties really kill it. Hate the cape attachemnt. Hate the fruit roll up cape. Hate the gardener boots. hate the Liberachi belt. Hate the 3D shield. Hate everything about it.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

hated it then. Seen the new pics. Hate it even more now. Stupid seams all over th place. The manties really kill it. Hate the cape attachemnt. Hate the fruit roll up cape. Hate the gardener boots. hate the Liberachi belt. Hate the 3D shield. Hate everything about it.


"fruit roll up cape" :D :up: Yeah the cape is just awful...

[Super Kal]

my mind has changed about the suit, now that I have seen more of it...

[D-Miles]

The suit is growing more to my liking. I will definitely need to see more of it in an action sequence i.e. flying to give it a full thumbs up.

[oregondude]

GAY

http://www.dtheatre.com/story_images/super6yu19jn.jpg

Low expectations for this stinker

[Esra]

Maybe I´ve changed my mind about the suit.It´s ok.
But Routh in this suite is just horrible.His hair is horrbile...

[Trigger]

Superman has always looked dopey to me, but that doesn't detract from his character or how much I liked him in the first place. So no, my opinion hasn't changed, but I still can't wait for the movie.

[Mr : Parker]

i wait for the official trailer 2 get a opinion
when he was in blog 22 with lois on the balcony , i loved it
only matters was , that it was in the dark :up:

[Cinemaman]

I still like this suite, because it much better then last suits of Superman :up:

[Chris Wallace]

GAY

http://www.dtheatre.com/story_images/super6yu19jn.jpg

Low expectations for this stinker
Here the cape almost looks leathery. And the pose just doesn't work for me.

[Vsnryguy]

The one thing that, well yes two things that bother me still is the darkness of the costume and the friggin S symbol...other than its too small i guess i can live with it but its still knowing the symbol is like plastic almost, imagin having that there and then someone punches you, youll feel it and be uncomfortable dont you think? and any movemnts of the upper chest and youll feel something there. I really wish someone would explain why its not into the costume like the other movies and all that and why its out and tangible. Even its true someone hugs him or anything to the chest will feel that there.

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/SUPERMANRETURNS002.jpg

[Super Kal]

^ you got that in hi res?

[SUPERSEBAS]

^ you got that in hi res?

YES!!!!!!!!!

[Super Kal]

could you send it my way then... please?

[SUPERSEBAS]

could you send it my way then... please?

this is the bigest I have!!!! I have it in tif to , but I can post it!


http://www.deviantart.com/view/24318095/

[Super Kal]

this is the bigest I have!!!! I have it in tif to , but I can post it!


http://www.deviantart.com/view/24318095/
thanks for the link.

[Sauron]

I hated it but, I'm over it. It should've been wayyyyyyyyy better but, oh well. Hopefully everything will turn out okay in the finished movie. Complaining about aint gonna change it.

[Thot]

Hope someone else directs the next one. How anyone could fubar the suit so badly is beyond me.

[Thot]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/SUPERMANRETURNS002.jpg

Man,....if this had been the suit, I would have been ecstatic. Amazing how little it takes to drastically improve not only the suit but how one perceives Routh's physique.

[javi1024]

^thats exactly what im talking about!
i think what really bothers me the most is his hair and the colors. its not slick back like were used to seeing. its too poofy and its taking away the focus from the costume and honestly makes him look puney(?). with this manip where they trimmed the hair, and the made the colors alot more vibrant, i can see superman, but of course theyre not real.

but im still gonna watch it regardless.

[javi1024]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/SUPERMANRETURNS002.jpg

SOMEONE GET THIS PIC TO BRYAN SINGER'S COSTUME DESIGNER!!!

[Chris Wallace]

If only.

[Chris Wallace]

The only thing I like about it is the raised shield, but considering that Spider-Man & Batman have appeared w/raised emblems in recent years, it only makes sense.

[KryptoKnight]

I still hate the suit but as long as its never ever adapted into the comics, ill be okay with it.

[Comfortador]

Hated it then, hate it now. It needs to be lighter, and it needs to be less....thick looking.

Also... replace the actor. Thanks.

[Superman_20]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SR/SUPERMAN_RETURNS.jpg


the colors are too bright, the symbol is still too small, and his hair looks way too black, his hair was fine in the original picture, but if someone make the symbol alex ross sized on the picture below and make his boots higher, shaped like the alex ross boots, but without changing the colors, that would look great

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/4193/supermanreturnssuitrevealed8po.jpg

[Kritish]

For christs sake fanboys, it's not like it's purple or anything.

[AmbientFire]

amen to that

[javi1024]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SR/SUPERMAN_RETURNS.jpg


the colors are too bright, the symbol is still too small, and his hair looks way too black, his hair was fine in the original picture, but if someone make the symbol alex ross sized on the picture below and make his boots higher, shaped like the alex ross boots, but without changing the colors, that would look great

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/4193/supermanreturnssuitrevealed8po.jpg
the pic on top with a bigger symbol would look better. the bottom's colors are way too dark. id rather have them the way they are now

[Nightwingishere]

i hate to sound gay but.Dude where his nipples??

You've seen the batman movies.WB learn from those movies

FEAR THE NIPPLES

[Chris Wallace]

Then why did they re-introduce them in "Birds Of Prey"?

[Man-E-Toys]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SR/SUPERMAN_RETURNS.jpg This should be the Suit!!!!!!!

yeah a neon orange superman. :rolleyes:

[dr collossus]

I think the suit sucks. Its just a shame WB didn't have enough confidence in people taking a Superman movie seriously without it having to be made more dark and 'mature' for the idiotic teen 'superheroes are only cool if they are dark and brooding' market.

[Man-E-Toys]

besides the "S" on the belt, this suit owns. i believe it is the best realization of the suit period (tv, comics, movies, etc.)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5850/globehr17sn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[dr collossus]

besides the "S" on the belt, this suit owns. i believe it is the best realization of the suit period (tv, comics, movies, etc.)


The poll says different. Also, what do you mean by the 'best'? What is it about the suit that appeals to you?

[Man-E-Toys]

The poll says different. Also, what do you mean by the 'best'? What is it about the suit that appeals to you?
well the pole doesnt speak for me. i voted in the poll. hated it now love it. i think i hated it at first, because like many others, i was attached to a previous incarnation of the suit (reeve's). his suit wouldnt work today. it looks cheaply made and like a costume you could rent for halloween.
now the new suit is much more realistic (even though it's superman) in it's materials, it's presentation. it doesn't look like a cheap skinny material like lycra or something. it's something no fanboy would ever make as a homemade costume. getting back to the look of the suit, at firt i hated the size of the "s", but now i realize it has to be proportionate to routh. everything is very proportioned with his build. a huge "s" would cover up his chest and look silly ala alex ross. also, the darker colors are not the end of the world. this goes back to my more realistic arguement. while none of us will know the true colors until we see the movie, i have a feeling the colors will work very well within the overall look of the film. i hardly doubt you will see brown and blue.

[Chris Wallace]

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I think the dark color scheme detracts from what Superman is supposed to be; a beacon of hope, a symbol of light against the darkness. His symbol is supposed to be big-visible from miles away. I think the suit looks horrendous.

[Saph]

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I think the dark color scheme detracts from what Superman is supposed to be; a beacon of hope, a symbol of light against the darkness. His symbol is supposed to be big-visible from miles away. I think the suit looks horrendous.
The suit will look like a beacon of hope and a symbol of light in the film. And the symbol isn't that small.

[dr collossus]

Why are people saying they like the suit 'because it will look different in the film?' Either you like the suit, as it is, which is EXACTLY how it will look on screen (y'know, crap), or you don't.

Deluding yourself into thinking that you like the suit because you are (understandably) excited about the fact that a new Superman film is coming is fair enough, but if you then turn round and say 'hmmm, the suit will look different to what I've seen' you may as well be honest with yourself.

Also, it would make more sense to say that you WOULD like the suit IF it was brighter.

[Saph]

Why are people saying they like the suit 'because it will look different in the film?' Either you like the suit, as it is, which is EXACTLY how it will look on screen (y'know, crap), or you don't.

Deluding yourself into thinking that you like the suit because you are (understandably) excited about the fact that a new Superman film is coming is fair enough, but if you then turn round and say 'hmmm, the suit will look different to what I've seen' you may as well be honest with yourself.

Also, it would make more sense to say that you WOULD like the suit IF it was brighter.
I like the suit as it is. But the suit will look better onscreen, because of how digital photography works. The reason why the photos show the suit looking brown and blue is because the digital cameras desaturate the images. When the images are at proper saturation, you get brighter colours like this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/james-knighton/superman_03.jpg

I think the suit will look like this on film:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/james-knighton/colourcorrection.jpg

[Super Kal]

the only problem with the bottom pic is that it doesn't have that electric blue that's gonna be used

[Chris Wallace]

The suit will look like a beacon of hope and a symbol of light in the film.
And you base this statement on what? Why would it look like a beacon in the film when it doesn't in the trailer or any of the pics we've seen? Are they gonna go back & brighten it up?

[Saph]

And you base this statement on what? Why would it look like a beacon in the film when it doesn't in the trailer or any of the pics we've seen? Are they gonna go back & brighten it up?
Exactly. Digital cameras, like the one being used in Superman Returns, considerably desaturate an image. The colours have to be brightened in post-production, which is no problem for a digital camera. As for the trailer, on the cinema screen the red is much more visible, as kakarot told us.

[dr collossus]

The colours have to be brightened in post-production, which is no problem for a digital camera.

All this talk is nonsense. Digital image manipulation is easy, but Warner are not going to release OFFICIAL pictures of what Superman will look like in the movie, and an OFFICAL teaser trailer, and then have him look completely different in the final film. Especially seeing as how the images could be 'resaturated' in a matter of seconds before they are sent out by the PR people. If you are hoping to see the suit looking brighter when the film is released, you are going to be dissapointed.

[Chris Wallace]

While you're right, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Saph & Co. are suggesting he'll look COMPLETELY different, but they do seem to think he'll look drastically different. I wonder if these same people convinced themselves that Willem Dafoe was going to wear purple booties.

[Super Kal]

as far as with the suit goes, I like it (besides the symbol on the belt), but if I had a choice, I would rather see something like this on screen...
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9677/promo1personalforum9pq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is just my opinion, so take it as you will.

[skruloos]

And you base this statement on what? Why would it look like a beacon in the film when it doesn't in the trailer or any of the pics we've seen? Are they gonna go back & brighten it up?
It's simply a matter of educated conjecture. Take a look at the releaed photos of the environment. Most of the colors being used are earth tones. The Daily Planet has a very brown tone to it. The Metropolis shots have a lot of greys and blues. Do you think this set design is accidental? If the environment that is being shown is made up of dark blues, browns, and greys, then what do you think a guy in bright blue and red is going to look like? He's going to stand out. He's going to be bright because the environment he's placed in is drab. All you guys are thinking about is the temperature of a color of the suit as it stands alone. You're not examining it within the context of everything else released. Again, take a look at the other shots.

[Saph]

All this talk is nonsense. Digital image manipulation is easy, but Warner are not going to release OFFICIAL pictures of what Superman will look like in the movie, and an OFFICAL teaser trailer, and then have him look completely different in the final film. Especially seeing as how the images could be 'resaturated' in a matter of seconds before they are sent out by the PR people. If you are hoping to see the suit looking brighter when the film is released, you are going to be dissapointed.
Um, things look different in promo pictures ALL the time.

And besides, the promo pics for SR only look desaturated on the net, when the images were used in print (where the general public is more likely to see them) the colours were often brighter.

[dr collossus]

Not in any print pictures i've seen.

[P2Rock]

Look I agree that Reeve's suit is slightly dated. But they should have just updated.
My suggestion on the Reeves suit - Amend the S (it looked too home made) similar to the new Routh one but with reeves Size
A darker blue Not navy but a strong royal blue, not the almost NC blue they have now.
Red not Leather Maroon brown. Its true that cape seems to change hue, but they should take away the ambiguity by brightening it up as the darker tone adds nothing.
Also the material, WTF, it shoes no definition, none. You can buy **** from Nike that looks more like a superhero suit than that. (its called Nike Pro) What was singer thinking. And why is Routh so skinny that the damn suit needs padding. Christian bale put on near 100 pounds for Batman after his concerntration camp mode in the Machinist, why couldn't Routh ad at least 50 pounds of muscle to his natural frame over 6 months or a Year?? This fact pisses me off. **** even Toby Magurie did it for spiderman. This is Superman we're talking about, is suppose to be physically intimidating or impressive.

This suit really sets the tone and it is not promising. SInger (and Routh)stuffed this Up

[P2Rock]

Look I agree that Reeve's suit is slightly dated. But they should have just updated.
My suggestion on the Reeves suit - Amend the S (it looked too home made) similar to the new Routh one but with reeves Size
A darker blue Not navy but a strong royal blue, not the almost NC blue they have now.
Red not Leather Maroon brown. Its true that cape seems to change hue, but they should take away the ambiguity by brightening it up as the darker tone adds nothing.
Also the material, WTF, it shoes no definition, none. You can buy **** from Nike that looks more like a superhero suit than that. (its called Nike Pro) What was singer thinking. And why is Routh so skinny that the damn suit needs padding. Christian bale put on near 100 pounds for Batman after his concerntration camp mode in the Machinist, why couldn't Routh ad at least 50 pounds of muscle to his natural frame over 6 months or a Year?? This fact pisses me off. **** even Toby Magurie did it for spiderman. This is Superman we're talking about, is suppose to be physically intimidating or impressive.

This suit really sets the tone and it is not promising. SInger (and Routh)stuffed this Up

[dr collossus]

Agree.

[Saph]

Look I agree that Reeve's suit is slightly dated. But they should have just updated.And that's what they did. Unless you mean keep the same design but update the materials.
My suggestion on the Reeves suit - Amend the S (it looked too home made) similar to the new Routh one but with reeves SizeCan't be done. A raised S that size would restrict movement in the chest and shoulder area, and it would bend whenever Routh takes a step.
A darker blue Not navy but a strong royal blue, not the almost NC blue they have now.Now this I agree with. But, it's just a shade of blue. And I can't complain about it, because there is no one shade of blue that Superman uses.
Red not Leather Maroon brown. Its true that cape seems to change hue, but they should take away the ambiguity by brightening it up as the darker tone adds nothing.The red is crimson. Not brown in any way.
Also the material, WTF, it shoes no definition, none. You can buy **** from Nike that looks more like a superhero suit than that. (its called Nike Pro) What was singer thinking.I don't want another cloth-looking Superman costume. And why is Routh so skinny that the damn suit needs padding. Christian bale put on near 100 pounds for Batman after his concerntration camp mode in the Machinist, why couldn't Routh ad at least 50 pounds of muscle to his natural frame over 6 months or a Year??Um, he did gain muscle. Most of it is visible in the suit. This fact pisses me off. **** even Toby Magurie did it for spiderman.Tobey Maguire also wore a muscle suit in Spider-Man. Even though he was built enough for the role. Why? Because of something you stated earlier: "Also the material, WTF, it shoes no definition, none." The muscle suit merely creates the muscular shape that is necessary for superheroes. Without the muscle suit, Routh would just look flabby. This is Superman we're talking about, is suppose to be physically intimidating or impressive.And he is.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/james-knighton/21387711.jpg
This suit really sets the tone and it is not promising. SInger (and Routh)stuffed this UpI think not.

[P2Rock]

Yo stop using that shot. cause it looks like Andre Agassi with a hair piece in Tights. All I see are skinny arms and a large torso (son has no pecs). Every time I post those sorts of comments they come back with that pic. Im no Superman but I look better than that.That doesn't impress, or intimidate me. Have you seen a pro or even college football game? You seen a real physique?
He didn't have to use nike pro but it shows there are better materials out there than the one he used. Really I wanted a suit that looked painted on to a god like physique (cause that essentially what "Superman" embodies right!?)
And thats redish brown what ever way want to spin it, it looks like leather and it dont look good (in some shots).

And unless you want to post your address, save the insults

[Chris Wallace]

I agree w/all your points. I also think he could've benefitted from one of those muscle-enhancing suits, like Tobey & the FF wore.

[Chris Wallace]

It's simply a matter of educated conjecture. Take a look at the releaed photos of the environment. Most of the colors being used are earth tones. The Daily Planet has a very brown tone to it. The Metropolis shots have a lot of greys and blues. Do you think this set design is accidental? If the environment that is being shown is made up of dark blues, browns, and greys, then what do you think a guy in bright blue and red is going to look like? He's going to stand out. He's going to be bright because the environment he's placed in is drab. All you guys are thinking about is the temperature of a color of the suit as it stands alone. You're not examining it within the context of everything else released. Again, take a look at the other shots.
Sorry. Not buying it. The first promo shot was against a grey-toned background & he looked drab.

[Saph]

Sorry. Not buying it. The first promo shot was against a grey-toned background & he looked drab.His skin was also white as a sheet. It's because that particular image was desaturated. Here is the actual suit colours:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/james-knighton/supermanreturns5.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

That's not exactly a huge improvement-or even different.

[Saph]

That's not exactly a huge improvement-or even different.Well, maybe you should start looking at pictures of the suit then.

[skruloos]

That's not exactly a huge improvement-or even different.
Maybe you should get your eyes checked. Superman is the only thing in that shot that pops off the screen. Even the yellow, a fairly bright color, doesn't pop off as much as the red and blue.

[Nightwing1977]

as far as with the suit goes, I like it (besides the symbol on the belt), but if I had a choice, I would rather see something like this on screen...
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9677/promo1personalforum9pq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is just my opinion, so take it as you will.

Yeah, I agree with you on this one. I like that one. Either that one or the real suit work fine with me. :)

[Nightwing1977]

I agree w/all your points. I also think he could've benefitted from one of those muscle-enhancing suits, like Tobey & the FF wore.

What the....?!? Superman's suit does have some muscles-enhancing look like Spidey. For all we know, Tobey is probably not big as Routh which is probably why his suit has more muscles looking than Supes. But I'm sure Routh has some little muscles in the suit. And FF???? Last I check, FF's costume doesn't even has muscles looking in the suit like Spidey & Supes did. Where you came up with that? F4 costume are sorta like X-Men movie one: leather type material & no muscles showing like Spidey & Supes did. Or at least I think F4's costume were spandex. :o

[Chris Wallace]

Jessica said the guys had muscle suits. And the FF suits were nothing like the X-Men; there was some leather trim but that was it. The rest was pure spandex. I see nothing in Brandon's suit that looks "enhanced"; I could be wrong, but I don't see it.

[Chris Wallace]

Well, maybe you should start looking at pictures of the suit then.
I have been looking. And the red doesn't work for me. And it's a bad contrast w/that shade of blue.

[dr collossus]

I don't know why the suit had to look different than it does in the comics. And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough.

[Saph]

I have been looking. And the red doesn't work for me. And it's a bad contrast w/that shade of blue.Bad contrast? Your opinion. It's not wrong. Just different. Superman has always had the red as a dominant colour. But now the blue is the dominant colour. Looks less silly yet still keeps the 'brightness' look of Supes intact.

[Saph]

I don't know why the suit had to look different than it does in the comics. And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough.What a stupid, ignorant thing to say. :o

[dr collossus]

What a stupid, ignorant thing to say. :o

Not really. Think about it. Don't strain yourself though.

[Saph]

Not really. Think about it. Don't strain yourself though.Oooh, good one. :rolleyes:

Let's take a look at what you said, shall we?

"I don't know why the suit had to look different than it does in the comics. And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough."

There are almost 30,000 users on thse boards. Basically you are saying everyone out of thse 30,000 that likes the suit thinks the one in the comics isn't good enough. And that's just thse boards. There are thousands of other boards, with many other members. Then we get to the general public. The numbers go up by the millions. Then you have the rest of the world. Numbers are in the billions. You are generalising BILLIONS of people because of their thoughts on a SUIT.

Do you realise how stupid you sound? :confused:

[dr collossus]

Ok, lets take a look at what I said:

"And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough."

Quite frankly, it does. I like Superman the way he is, the suit, the character, everything. I don't want to see a Superman Elseworlds film unless that is what it claims to be. And that's what this is. If you really, truly, like the suit in the comics, why would you not want to see that in the film? Fair enough, you may like the SR suit. If I saw a guy wearing it cutting the ribbon at the grand opening of a new comics shop, I'd probably be quite impressed, but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character, you like it but would prefer a modern interpretation.

Personally, I feel that in a world where darker superhero movies are generally preferred by the public, I would make a movie about a darker superhero rather than make a movie about a superhero that isn't dark and change him.

[Saph]

Ok, lets take a look at what I said:

"And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough."

Quite frankly, it does. I like Superman the way he is, the suit, the character, everything. I don't want to see a Superman Elseworlds film unless that is what it claims to be. And that's what this is. If you really, truly, like the suit in the comics, why would you not want to see that in the film? Fair enough, you may like the SR suit. If I saw a guy wearing it cutting the ribbon at the grand opening of a new comics shop, I'd probably be quite impressed, but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character, you like it but would prefer a modern interpretation.

Personally, I feel that in a world where darker superhero movies are generally preferred by the public, I would make a movie about a darker superhero rather than make a movie about a superhero that isn't dark and change him.
Now you look even MORE ignorant.

There is NOTHING dark about the new Superman costume. The dominant colour is electric blue. The inside of the cape is designed in such a way to look like a HALO when the cape billows in the wind. The only dark thing is the shade of red used, which is only different from the comics because the red is usually bright, while the blue is dark. It's just been reversed. If anything, it makes the suit brighter.

[dr collossus]

I'm gonna ignore everything you just said, 'cos quite frankly its inane and irrelevant, and you apparently didn't read what I said. I'm just gonna ask you a few questions isntead:

1. Which do you prefer, the SR suit or the comics suit? (no ifs or buts on this one please)

2. Do you like Superman (I'm talking character, mythology and all) the way he is, as a beacon of hope and perfection in an imperfect world, or do you think this is childish and dated, and should be more realistic and up to date?

3. Do you think Superman works better as a proud, confident, and powerful individual, or as a self-conscious and uneasy character, more in line with the CK persona?

Answer these questions, then think about your answers while comparing SR to the Superman of the comics.

Oh and by the way, you might want to take a look at the articles I have written about Superman Returns, you can find them here:

http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/posts/2005/05/07/superman-matt-and-the-dullard-public

http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/posts/2005/12/08/superman-the-teaser

[Saph]

I'm gonna ignore everything you just said, 'cos quite frankly its inane and irrelevant, and you apparently didn't read what I said.You mean, your argument holds no merit and you have no way of responding? I'm just gonna ask you a few questions isntead:It's better to ask rather than tell stupid 'facts'.

1. Which do you prefer, the SR suit or the comics suit? (no ifs or buts on this one please)Why no ifs and buts? Oh yeah, so I can look like I love the SR suit over the comic suit, or if I say the comic suit it 'proves' the comic suit is superior.

I like the movie suit. But that doesn't mean everyone who likes the suit prefers it over the comic suit.

2. Do you like Superman (I'm talking character, mythology and all) the way he is, as a beacon of hope and perfection in an imperfect world, or do you think this is childish and dated, and should be more realistic and up to date?Beacon of hope. And he can still be that way in the movie suit.

3. Do you think Superman works better as a proud, confident, and powerful individual, or as a self-conscious and uneasy character, more in line with the CK persona?Proud? Since when has Superman been proud? he's always viewed himself as equal as everyone else. But confident and powerful? Certainly.

Answer these questions, then think about your answers while comparing SR to the Superman of the comics.Well, I can't, because the movie isn't released yet. :confused:

Oh and by the way, you might want to take a look at the articles I have written about Superman Returns, you can find them here:

http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/posts/2005/05/07/superman-matt-and-the-dullard-public

http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/posts/2005/12/08/superman-the-teaserJudging by your recent posts, I don't think i'll bother.

[Super Kal]

I have been looking. And the red doesn't work for me. And it's a bad contrast w/that shade of blue.
I have to agree with you... A lighter shade of red would have looked better. Not something as bright as Donner's shade, but something brighter than burgundy

[Saph]

I have to agree with you... A lighter shade of red would have looked better. Not something as bright as Donner's shade, but something brighter than burgundy
Hey kak, according to dr. colossus, if you like the movie suit, you hate the comic suit and everything Superman stands for. :p

[Super Kal]

Hey kak, according to dr. colossus, if you like the movie suit, you hate the comic suit and everything Superman stands for. :p
well, If we're basing it on that, screw him and what he thinks.

The Donner suit look scompletely out-dated with the materials and it's design. Now continuity wise, it hit it right on the spot, with the big symbol, trunks, oval belt, and it's neckline and cape attachment...

I would rather see a suit that was influenced by the Donner suit... we clearly didn't get that, both in design and color

[dr collossus]

You mean, your argument holds no merit and you have no way of responding? It's better to ask rather than tell stupid 'facts'.

No, I mean you're a narrow minded idiot who thinks my argument was restricted to the suit, further enforced by what you just said about me to kakarot, whose points I happen to agree with by the way.

Why no ifs and buts? Oh yeah, so I can look like I love the SR suit over the comic suit, or if I say the comic suit it 'proves' the comic suit is superior.

No, so you don't worm your way out of an honest answer by saying something characteristically stupid like 'the comics suit wouldn't work on film' or 'I like them both' or, and this is my favourite, 'actually the suit will look completely different in the movie'.

Well, I can't, because the movie isn't released yet. :confused:
...
Judging by your recent posts, I don't think i'll bother.

Well, perhaps if you did bother you'd realise that your point about not having seen the movie is also nonsensical.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know why the suit had to look different than it does in the comics. And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough.Not necessarily. I like Spider-Man's movie costume & I had no problem w/his look in the comics. Same goes for the X-Men.

[dr collossus]

Hey kak, according to dr. colossus, if you like the movie suit, you hate the comic suit and everything Superman stands for. :p

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

****.

[Super Kal]

wait...

I may not like the suit, but I certainly dont think the suit will ruin the ENTIRE movie.

[dr collossus]

Neither do I.

[Super Kal]

Neither do I.
okay, that's good.

What exactly do you think though?


and BTW, no name calling.

[dr collossus]

I pretty much agree with you. I would prefer something closer to the Donner suit, and I like the manip you posted earlier in the thread. Granted the S couldn't have been that big in 3D, but I also don't think it should be 3D. Makes it look like Superman needs a bullet shield.

[Saph]

No, I mean you're a narrow minded idiot who thinks my argument was restricted to the suit, further enforced by what you just said about me to kakarot, whose points I happen to agree with by the way.Me? Narrow minded? You're the one who said whoever likes the suit hates the comic suit! That is the epitome of narrow-mindedness.


No, so you don't worm your way out of an honest answer by saying something characteristically stupidI answered the question.. like 'the comics suit wouldn't work on film'[/QUOTE/That statement is stupid.. depending on the costume. [QUOTE]or 'I like them both'Why is that stupid? Can a person NOT like them both? or, and this is my favourite, 'actually the suit will look completely different in the movie'.But in this case, it will.


Well, perhaps if you did bother you'd realise that your point about not having seen the movie is also nonsensical.:confused: You said, "Answer these questions, then think about your answers while comparing SR to the Superman of the comics." Which means I have to compare the movie Superman Returns, which isn't released yet, to the comics. I'm sure your articles aren't any more valid.

[Saph]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

****.
You're swearing at me over the internet. :down :o

[Super Kal]

I pretty much agree with you. I would prefer something closer to the Donner suit, and I like the manip you posted earlier in the thread. Granted the S couldn't have been that big in 3D, but I also don't think it should be 3D. Makes it look like Superman needs a bullet shield.
okay... now I'm curious..

what about the neckline, belt symbol, and boots?

[dr collossus]

You're the one who said whoever likes the suit hates the comic suit!

I never said that. Do me a favour. Go back, read all my posts, and then reply to them rather than giving me knee-jerk reactions to what you THINK i've said, which doesn't just apply to this comment.

Also, I apologise for any name calling.

[Saph]

I never said that. Do me a favour. Go back, read all my posts, and then reply to them rather than giving me knee-jerk reactions to what you THINK i've said, which doesn't just apply to this comment.

"but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character,"
:confused: You were saying?

Also, I apologise for any name calling.Apology accepted.

[dr collossus]

I can live with the belt symbol, and the boots I can tolerate, but the neckline is horrible. And it looks REALLY uncomfortable.

[Super Kal]

no offense, but how can you live with a symbol on his belt?...


it's so tacky and un-needed.

[dr collossus]

"but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character,"
:confused: You were saying?

I really don't know how I can explain this any more clearly. Do you see everything in black and white? Not loving the character is not the same as hating it.

[dr collossus]

no offense, but how can you live with a symbol on his belt?...


it's so tacky and un-needed.

Well, I agree, but to me it pales in comparison to the colour change and the fact that the S is 3D and its size.

[Super Kal]

to love the superman character just because of his costume is a little childish...

In order to really "love" the character is to understand his beliefs and ideals, and accept them as your own

[Saph]

no offense, but how can you live with a symbol on his belt?...


it's so tacky and un-needed.
No offense, but you have aspergers syndrome, so what stands out to you doesn't necessarily stand out to others. Not trying to be offensive. I myself forget it's there sometimes.

Also, you're looking at a still picture, It'd be hard to spot in movement.

In fact, here it is invisible:http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/james-knighton/walk2.jpg

[Saph]

I really don't know how I can explain this any more clearly. Do you see everything in black and white? Not loving the character is not the same as hating it.
Do I care? You're still indicating that people who like the movie suit are lesser fans. There is nothing out of character in this movie suit. Nothing.

[Super Kal]

Well, I agree, but to me it pales in comparison to the colour change and the fact that the S is 3D and its size.
the colors are much more brighter than what we have seen in the pictures... I talked with Justin, the founder of BT (BlueTights) and he has seen the suit in person (even got to hold the boot) and he said himself that the shade of red is not that dark.

[Super Kal]

No offense, but you have aspergers syndrome...

hold on right there...

I have NOT been diagnosed with that syndrome, therefore you cannot clearly state that I have Asbergers Syndrome.

[Saph]

the colors are much more brighter than what we have seen in the pictures... I talked with Justin, the founder of BT (BlueTights) and he has seen the suit in person (even got to hold the boot) and he said himself that the shade of red is not that dark.
We also have to consider digital colour restoration and the colour scheme of the movie.

[Saph]

hold on right there...

I have NOT been diagnosed with that syndrome, therefore you cannot clearly state that I have Asbergers Syndrome.
Fine, but you do have the symptoms. You are definitely more observant of smaller things.

[Super Kal]

and it sure as hell does stick out here...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4741/premiere26gh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Saph]

and it sure as hell does stick out here...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4741/premiere26gh.jpg
I can barely see it and it wouldn't have stuck out if you weren't talking about it. To me anyway.

[dr collossus]

Do I care? You're still indicating that people who like the movie suit are lesser fans. There is nothing out of character in this movie suit. Nothing.

I'm sick of arguing with someone who isn't paying attention. I'm NOT saying people who like the movie suit are lesser fans, I'm saying people who feel the movie suit is perfect and is better than a direct translation of the comic suit would have been are lesser fans. Which they are.

Also, kakarot, I'm not basing everything I say about loving the character on the suit. I feel that there are a number of factors in this movie which do not sit well with some of the things Superman stands for. The change in the look is just a reflection of the fact that WB were worried people wouldn't have taken the movie seriously if Superman didn't have a high-tech, darker suit, yet one which had to be, at least in some ways, faithful to the actual costume. And by this I mean recognisable as a Superman costume. Because that's as far as it's being faithful goes.

[Nightwing1977]

I don't know why the suit had to look different than it does in the comics. And saying you like it suggests you think the one in the comics isn't good enough.

Huh? I do love the comic book costumes. Why? Because it on a comic book that isn't real!! Comic books are pure fantasy that use your imagination. But you should know not every costumes from a comic is going to work in real life. I love the X-Men costumes in the comic, but I don't like the idea of some it in real life. I mean Wolverine's yellow/blue costume is the best costume & I think it suit him, but I don't want to see that in real life. And yes, Supes's costume has some change. But only a little minor. It still has the look of the "S" shield", the red cape, red boots, etc. It still scream Superman, so that is enough for me.

[Mr. Socko]

I still like the suit, I only have 2 gripes about it. The dark red color, and no yellow symbol on the back of the cape.

[Super Kal]

you know, I wouldn't mind the symbol on the belt if it were all yellow...

[Saph]

I'm sick of arguing with someone who isn't paying attention. I'm NOT saying people who like the movie suit are lesser fans, I'm saying people who feel the movie suit is perfect and is better than a direct translation of the comic suit would have been are lesser fans. Which they are.And that is JUST as bad. You're still generalising a large percentage of fans.

The change in the look is just a reflection of the fact that WB were worried people wouldn't have taken the movie seriously if Superman didn't have a high-tech, darker suit, yet one which had to be, at least in some ways, faithful to the actual costume.:rolleyes: This costume isn't 'darker'. In fact it's actually brighter than the comic costume, because now the blue is the 'popping' colour, rather than the red. We also can't forget the little halo inside his cape. And by this I mean recognisable as a Superman costume. Because that's as far as it's being faithful goes.Umm.. it is almost 100% faithful, only difference is the belt buckle and collar.

[Nightwing1977]

Jessica said the guys had muscle suits. And the FF suits were nothing like the X-Men; there was some leather trim but that was it. The rest was pure spandex. I see nothing in Brandon's suit that looks "enhanced"; I could be wrong, but I don't see it.

Just because Jessica Alba said it a muscle suit doesn't mean it is. She is probably dumb or doesn't study costume design, because I can't see any at all. The only thing I can see is the blue color of the suit & weird design on it. No muscles showing like Spidey & Supes show. Or she might have call it muscles suit, 'cause she probably felt strong when putting on the costume. :p

[Chris Wallace]

Okay-that's just ignorant. But again, I don't see any muscles on Brandon. So let's just agree to disagree here.

[dr collossus]

And that is JUST as bad. You're still generalising a large percentage of fans.

Actually I'm not. If I were to say that all fans who prefer the movie suit to the comic suit were blond, that would be a generlisation. What I said was a statement. You may disagree with my opinon, but I think it's fairly self-evident that those who prefer the movie suit to the comic suit are lesser fans of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit.

And please stop replying to minor points in my posts when you're clearly not abosorbing the gist of what I'm saying.

[dr collossus]

Just because Jessica Alba said it a muscle suit doesn't mean it is. She is probably dumb or doesn't study costume design, because I can't see any at all. The only thing I can see is the blue color of the suit & weird design on it. No muscles showing like Spidey & Supes show. Or she might have call it muscles suit, 'cause she probably felt strong when putting on the costume. :p

A muscle suit doesn't necessarily have to show distinct outlines on the outer costume like in spiderman. It can be there simply to add bulk and subtle bulges in the right places.

[Saph]

Actually I'm not. If I were to say that all fans who prefer the movie suit to the comic suit were blond, that would be a generlisation. What I said was a statement. You may disagree with my opinon, but I think it's fairly self-evident that those who prefer the movie suit to the comic suit are lesser fans of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit.Your opinion is based on ignorance and the fact you can't handle people actually 'liking' the suit. So what if someone likes the movie suit over the comic suit? Doesn't make them any less of a fan. Superman is more than a costume.

And please stop replying to minor points in my posts when you're clearly not abosorbing the gist of what I'm saying.Minr point? The only thing i'm taking offense at is calling people lesser fans just because they prefer the movie suit. That's all i'm arguing against.

[Saph]

Just because Jessica Alba said it a muscle suit doesn't mean it is. She is probably dumb or doesn't study costume design, because I can't see any at all. The only thing I can see is the blue color of the suit & weird design on it. No muscles showing like Spidey & Supes show. Or she might have call it muscles suit, 'cause she probably felt strong when putting on the costume. :p
The muscle suit didn't add the 'design' on Spider-Man's costume. That muscle definition was sprayed on.

[dr collossus]

I'm getting really bored of this now. I see I have to repeat myself: If you prefer the movie suit to the comics suit you are less of a fan of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit. How is that ignorant? That's a rhetorical question by the way.

Also, if you don't realise that the only reason the suit was redesigned was to peddle merchandise then you are naive and ignorant. I can handle people liking the suit just fine, I just don't think much of it myself. I have to say I find this highly amusing in light of the fact that so many people's faith in SR is so fragile that they feel threatened at the merest mention of anything negative about it.

And getting back to what I asked you earlier, you said you would prefer Superman to be confident and powerful. The SR suit does not reflect that as much as the comics suit. Yes, Superman is more than a suit, but he is fundamentally a symbol, epitomised by the suit in general and the S shield in particular. Furthermore, Brandon Routh does not appear at all confident as Superman. In fact he looks nervous, uneasy, and self-conscious. This is bound to be largely due to Singer's interpretation and plot, and his idea that Superman is a pariah.

THAT is what I don't like about SR (among other things), and this is reflected in the design of the suit. Rather than having the S shield proudly emblazoned across his chest, it is there as an affectation. It looks out of place, and the suit would look better without it altogether as opposed to cowaring there nervously in metaphor for the depiction of the character in this film. A larger S shield makes his upper body look larger and more powerful. I realise of course that they didn't want this - they wanted Superman to look slender. Feminine looking men are in general considered sexier in today's society than macho men, but that doesn't mean the look is right for Superman.

[Nightwing1977]

You may disagree with my opinon, but I think it's fairly self-evident that those who prefer the movie suit to the comic suit are lesser fans of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit.



Good grief!! Just shut up & stop accusing me & some who like the suit are not fan of the comic books. You're pushing it, so I suggest you drop it, all right? You hate the costume? Fine, we get it. Just don't point a finger at those who like the suit of not being fan of the comic book like you do. :rolleyes:


I'm getting really bored of this now. I see I have to repeat myself: If you prefer the movie suit to the comics suit you are less of a fan of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit. How is that ignorant? That's a rhetorical question by the way.



It's ignorant to call us one who like something that is a little different than you. It sad when you don't agree with some of us, you make pathetic comments like this & accuse of us not being a fan like you. Don't be a extremist fanboys. They are nothing but trouble.

Also, if you don't realise that the only reason the suit was redesigned was to peddle merchandise then you are naive and ignorant. I can handle people liking the suit just fine, I just don't think much of it myself. I have to say I find this highly amusing in light of the fact that so many people's faith in SR is so fragile that they feel threatened at the merest mention of anything negative about it.



Got proof to back up your statment that the suit was minorly changed for the merchandise? Even if it was the same as Reeve, they would still make lot of merchandise for it, genius!! See how lame this is? And we're not threatened by the merest negative of SR. We feel annoyed by those who make accuse & no supported opinions like what you call some of us "suit liker". :rolleyes:

And getting back to what I asked you earlier, you said you would prefer Superman to be confident and powerful. The SR suit does not reflect that as much as the comics suit. Yes, Superman is more than a suit, but he is fundamentally a symbol, epitomised by the suit in general and the S shield in particular. Furthermore, Brandon Routh does not appear at all confident as Superman. In fact he looks nervous, uneasy, and self-conscious. This is bound to be largely due to Singer's interpretation and plot, and his idea that Superman is a pariah.



Your opinion. Not a fact. IMO, Routh's Superman look powerful in the some of the pic, especially with him holding a big globe. That is Superman. If you can buy Reeve as Supes, then I don't know how you can with Routh who is supposely bigger than he was & doesn't have the cheap costume like he did too. And he look nervous & uneasy & self-conscious? I think you're looking too much there.

Feminine looking men are in general considered sexier in today's society than macho men, but that doesn't mean the look is right for Superman.



Wait a sec.! I thought Supes always have look feminie with the colorful costume & red trunk on the outside. Don't tell me Reeve's costume is better with granny panties, red towel for a cape, & plastic hooker boots. Nice to think Routh's suit is feminie looking, when it look about same as other costumes too. People always making excuse to hate the costume as feminie when Reeve's costume is no difference. Shame shame.

[Saph]

I'm getting really bored of this now. I see I have to repeat myself: If you prefer the movie suit to the comics suit you are less of a fan of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit. How is that ignorant? That's a rhetorical question by the way.It is ignorant because you think everyone thinks like you do, that the suit isn't a good Superman suit. In your feeble mind the only thing that justifies people actually liking the suit is by calling them lesser Superman fans. And I don't care if your question is rhetorical.

Also, if you don't realise that the only reason the suit was redesigned was to peddle merchandise then you are naive and ignorant.:rolleyes: Where did you learn this? Oh, that's right, you made it up. I can handle people liking the suit just fine, I just don't think much of it myself. I have to say I find this highly amusing in light of the fact that so many people's faith in SR is so fragile that they feel threatened at the merest mention of anything negative about it.And you know what? Some people do. I'm not one of them. I just know that I don't like being called a lesser fan because I like the movie suit.

[Saph]

Wait a sec.! I thought Supes always have look feminie with the colorful costume & red trunk on the outside. Don't tell me Reeve's costume is better with granny panties, red towel for a cape, & plastic hooker boots. Nice to think Routh's suit is feminie looking, when it look about same as other costumes too. People always making excuse to hate the costume as feminie when Reeve's costume is no difference. Shame shame.
There is more than one Superman costume. Reeve's is only one example. Don't automatically assume anyone who dislikes Singer's suit loves Reeve's suit. It makes you look ignorant.

[skruloos]

Quite frankly, it does. I like Superman the way he is, the suit, the character, everything. I don't want to see a Superman Elseworlds film unless that is what it claims to be.
Technically, because this movie doesn't follow continuity and could possibly have different origins and characterizations, it COULD be considered an Elseworlds. But then again, wouldn't any adaptation that isn't part of canon be described as such? Batman the Animated Series was essentially an animated Elseworld.

[Nightwing1977]

Technically, because this movie doesn't follow continuity and could possibly have different origins and characterizations, it COULD be considered an Elseworlds. But then again, wouldn't any adaptation that isn't part of canon be described as such? Batman the Animated Series was essentially an animated Elseworld.

Yep. This movie is not same as any Supes comic book. Which mean it like an Elseworld story. Same for other superhero movies.

[dr collossus]

In your feeble mind the only thing that justifies people actually liking the suit is by calling them lesser Superman fans.

You seem to have trouble understanding english...no wait, that's not fair. You understand perfectly but you seem to think that by putting words into my mouth you can make yourself look like a big man.

I NEVER said people who like the suit are lesser superman fans.

[Saph]

You seem to have trouble understanding english...no wait, that's not fair. You understand perfectly but you seem to think that by putting words into my mouth you can make yourself look like a big man.A big man? On the internet? Why would I need to prove myself, I have a picture in my sig which clearly displays my geeky self. Nothing to hide here.

I NEVER said people who like the suit are lesser superman fans.
Yes you did! Numerous times! Stop trying to weasle out of it.

[dr collossus]

Sorry. Didn't realise you can't read. Goodbye little man.

[Saph]

Sorry. Didn't realise you can't read. Goodbye little man.
So you lost the argument? Alright, see ya.

[dr collossus]

No, sorry you can't read.

[Saph]

No, sorry you can't read.
Then why reply to me then? If I can't read. :p

[dr collossus]

I didn't lose the argument, because all you've done is ignore the parts of what I've said that you know you can't argue against. See ya.

[Saph]

I didn't lose the argument, because all you've done is ignore the parts of what I've said that you know you can't argue against. See ya.
That's right, walk away. It's better than degrading yourself further.

If you prefer the movie suit to the comics suit you are less of a fan of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit.

[Nightwing1977]

I NEVER said people who like the suit are lesser superman fans.

But you said :

If you prefer the movie suit to the comics suit you are less of a fan of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit.

Don't be a flip flopper. It was loud & clear that you said people who like the movie suit are lesser Superman fans. And you refuse to say anything more with Saph? Perhaps, because he points out what you said that you can't debate or something? Or maybe because you don't want to look more stupid when you claim you didn't say something when you did. :p

[dr collossus]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.

[dr collossus]

Also I know you and Saph both depserately need people to like you on these boards because you obviously have trouble making friends in the real world, but jumping on the bandwagon with petty arguments just makes you look like like an idiot. Think about that (you too Saph, mister opinion chnager) before you call me a flip flopper.

[dr collossus]

And if you are going to use the word 'generalisation' I suggest you look up its meaning. Saying that people who prefer the SR suit to the comics suit are lesser fans of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit to the movie suit is not a generalisation. Saying that everyone who likes the SR suit prefers it to the comics suit is.

[skruloos]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.
Maybe people are perfectly of capable of liking or not liking an aspect of something without it affecting their opinion on the whole. Just because someone is a fan of the comics doesn't mean they have to love every single aspect of it. It is possible to not like certain aspects of a comic and still love the comic as a whole.

[dr collossus]

It is possible to not like certain aspects of a comic and still love the comic as a whole.

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?

[Saph]

Also I know you and Saph both depserately need people to like you on these boards because you obviously have trouble making friends in the real world, but jumping on the bandwagon with petty arguments just makes you look like like an idiot. Think about that (you too Saph, mister opinion chnager) before you call me a flip flopper.
No dr. collossus, you are wrong. I don't care what a few people on the internet think of me, most especially you. Your opinion is offensive and shows a lack of intelligence. That is why i'm talking wth you. I don't jump on bandwagons.

[Saph]

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?
That's stupid.

[skruloos]

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?
Now who's bringing absolutes into it? It's a bit hard for me to believe that anyone would love every aspect of anything. Nothing is perfect. As such, there will always be something to complain about. I don't think you can base strength of fandom on that. It seems that your idea of a fan would overlook any flaw in a piece. That isn't a fan to me.

And besides, why even try to rank fans anyway? It's such a nebulous concept. Is a person who is so obsessed with Star Trek that he would changes his name to Kirk Picard really that much more of a fan than someone who collects all the DVD's and knows all the episodes from each show? Or is Kirk Picard just more insane? And is that a healthy thing?

[dr collossus]

Who cares? I'm not trying to rank fans anyway. This is all based on a passing comment that Saph picked up on because he feels so threatened by what I said. All I was trying to say was that I would have preferred a direct translation of the comics suit onto the screen, and I can't for the life of me see why they felt the need to not do that.

[Saph]

Who cares? I'm not trying to rank fans anyway. This is all based on a passing comment that Saph picked up on because he feels so threatened by what I said.I don't get threatened by stupidity, thank you very much. All I was trying to say was that I would have preferred a direct translation of the comics suit onto the screen, and I can't for the life of me see why they felt the need to not do that.
This IS the comic suit, with a few small changes. This isn't exactly like the situation in X-Men here..

[dr collossus]

Stupidity? You say my argument shows a lack of intellignece, when in fact it is YOUR inability to grasp my argument that shows a lack of intelligence. Forget who's a bigger fan. I couldn't care less, its a side issue, and one that isn't even relevant seeing as no-one, to my knowledge, has even placed themselves in the hypothetical category I invented by stating their preference of the SR suit to the comics suit. And even if they did, I coudln't care less. So lets just drop it, ok?

Aside from that, its NOT the comics suit. Its a variation of it, as you rightly said yourself. What I asked was:

Why the need for the 'small changes'???????????

[dr collossus]

Do you think perhaps the various interpretations that were considered before this project got off the ground, coupled with Singer's previous comic movies, which are obviously a much further departure from the comics in terms of costume design, have softened you up and made you more accepting of 'small changes'?

[Saph]

Stupidity? You say my argument shows a lack of intellignece, when in fact it is YOUR inability to grasp my argument that shows a lack of intelligence. Forget who's a bigger fan. I couldn't care less, its a side issue, and one that isn't even relevant seeing as no-one, to my knowledge, has even placed themselves in the hypothetical category I invented by stating their preference of the SR suit to the comics suit. And even if they did, I coudln't care less. So lets just drop it, ok?Shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. But fine, i'll drop it.

Aside from that, its NOT the comics suit. Its a variation of it, as you rightly said yourself. What I asked was:

Why the need for the 'small changes'???????????I don't know. Probably the same reason every artist draws the costume differently.

[Saph]

Do you think perhaps the various interpretations that were considered before this project got off the ground, coupled with Singer's previous comic movies, which are obviously a much further departure from the comics in terms of costume design, have softened you up and made you more accepting of 'small changes'?
No, it's because the small changes are just that.. small.

[dr collossus]

They are small changes, but they subtly alter the entire look and feel of the costume. It's more than jsut the sum of its parts, which individually are not all that different, but as a whole I feel it is lacking in 'oomph'.

Just look at the poll results...the changes can't be that small, otherwise a majority would not have voted that they hate the suit.

[Saph]

Just look at the poll results...the changes can't be that small, otherwise a majority would not have voted that they hate the suit.But you assume they dislike the suit because of the changes.

[dr collossus]

Er...kind of, yeah.

[Saph]

Er...kind of, yeah.
In which case, if they dislike the Superman suit because they just don't like the design, they are 'lesser' fans, and therefore their opinion on the suit is less valid than one of a true fan?

[dr collossus]

Why have you put the word lesser in quotes? It was you who originally introduced it into the argument.

[Saph]

Why have you put the word lesser in quotes? It was you who originally introduced it into the argument.
people who prefer the SR suit to the comics suit are lesser fans of the comics
:rolleyes:

[dr collossus]

You're still indicating that people who like the movie suit are lesser fans.

You said it first pipsqueak.

[Saph]

You said it first pipsqueak.
But you started the whole argument:
"but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character,"

Oh, and 'pipsqueak'. Nice. Unfortunately, this is the internet. Physical insults don't really apply.

[dr collossus]

And I thought we had finished the argument as well. I really don't know why you can't let it go.

[dr collossus]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.

[Saph]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.
Keep it coming. Your posts are hilarious!

[Nightwing1977]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.

I did read what you said. You're just in denial that you didn't said what you did, even we point it out. Denial is not a river in Egypt. And since when did Saph & I try to get friends here? I didn't hang out here to get friends. I hang out as a way to talk about stuffs. If you think I don't have friends in the real world, you can think again. I have plenty of friends in the real world thank you very much, Einstein. :rolleyes: Don't insult me with thinking I have no friends. You don't know me, so don't get cocky. Thing is, the suit has minor change. It major to you, but it don't mean it's a fact thought. It major change if his costume color was different, no cape, no "S" shield, no trunk on the outside, wearing a pink tutu, etc. :p

And bandwagon jumper? Nah. I'm more of pointing out things than using petty arguments like yourself. Of course, I expect fanboy like you to be always so negative about this. I know they can't stand of negative things. Look up "fanboy" on wikipedia. It suit you well. ;)

[dr collossus]

I know they can't stand of negative things.

Take a long, hard look at yourself nightwing. You run into a frenzied panic at the merest mention of anything negative about SR. You call yourself a 'Defender of Singer's Vision', yet your faith that the movie is actually going to be any good is so fragile that you pooh yourself any time it looks like someone might shatter that delicate delusion.

Take the criticism dude. SR is not gonna be perfect. Accept it.

[skruloos]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.
Did you ever stop to think that for some people, the essence of Superman does not lie in the exact details of the suit?

[dr collossus]

Oh, I KNOW what the essence of Superman is, and it is not his suit. But his suit is an embodiment and representation of it, as it has come to be recognised in popular culture. Did you ever stop to think that some people, while thinking that SR is unfaithful to many aspects of the superman mythology, will restrict their discussion of those aspects to those pertaining to the suit in a thread so dedicated?

[skruloos]

Oh, I KNOW what the essence of Superman is, and it is not his suit. But his suit is an embodiment and representation of it, as it has come to be recognised in popular culture. Did you ever stop to think that some people, while thinking that SR is unfaithful to many aspects of the superman mythology, will restrict their discussion of those aspects to those pertaining to the suit in a thread so dedicated?
This will always be the argument between people who nitpick and people who don't. At what point are small details really just small details? And at what point does it actually change the essence of the characters? It is a discussion with no true end or merit since it's so subjective. You think those details matter? Great. I'm more open to interpretation. It doesn't necessarily mean I am less of a fan than you are. I just don't value the same things you do about the character.

[dr collossus]

Ok... I see your point but I don't really know what you're getting at. I would say that small details can certainly add up into a significant whole. But I'm more intrigued by your comment that you don't value the same things about the character as me - as far as I'm aware neither of us has stated what those things are.

[skruloos]

Ok... I see your point but I don't really know what you're getting at. I would say that small details can certainly add up into a significant whole. But I'm more intrigued by your comment that you don't value the same things about the character as me - as far as I'm aware neither of us has stated what those things are.
Well I assume from your previous posts that the details that have been changed in the suit are of value to you. I feel the opposite.

[dr collossus]

You're right, they are of value to me, but not for their own sake. I don't like the way Superman looks in SR. I have a very specific reason for this, but I'll leave that for another discussion. Do you assume that the costume is the only aspect of the character of value to me?

[Chris Wallace]

No-but it's clearly a significant portion of it. And that's true of many-if not all fans. It's typically the first thing that makes a "fanboy" say "Yea" or "Nay" on what a filmmaker does w/his beloved characters; how he/she looks in the costume.

[dr collossus]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.

[skruloos]

You're right, they are of value to me, but not for their own sake. I don't like the way Superman looks in SR. I have a very specific reason for this, but I'll leave that for another discussion. Do you assume that the costume is the only aspect of the character of value to me?
No, but seeing as this thread is specifically about the suit that is what I'm going by.

[skruloos]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.
It's not only relegated to filmmaker's though. Every artist does their own spin on Superman. Sure, it might not be as much as adding an insignia on the belt but I do think they are major in their own right. There are simply artists interpretations and style that I do not like. McGuinness for one. Quitely for another. I'm also not a big fan of Miller's or Turners takes. Although they are essentially drawing the same character, they ARE interpreting it in their own way. Why should a filmmaker really be any different?

Changes will always occur when translating from one medium to another. It's simply a matter of physics, materials, and interpretation. Nothing will look exactly alike. Sin City, for all it's attempts at recreating the comic HAD to make changes to make it work as a movie. What it comes down to, really, is whether or not you like the changes. People seem to applaud the Spider-man movie costume although it too wasn't an exact representation of the comic costume. One could go on about the size of the eyes, the fact that they were reflective, the raised webbing, the lack of web lines on the gloves (in the first film), the size of the spider on the front, the spider on the back, etc. It's all personal preference on the end and how you let it affect you. If I wanted to be an anal retentive bastard, I could have argued that the changes in the Spider-man costume bastardized the character. But I don't really care. And it's the same way I feel about the Superman costume. If people want to assign some mythical significance to a belt buckle, then by God, go ahead. It's not my movie experience your ruining.

[Nightwing1977]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.

Last I check, many different artists have give Superman's different looks. Ed McGuiness draw him with "squint" eyes. Alex Ross make him look kinda old, a little fat, his "S" shield ridicliously huge, sometime he doesn't put the yellow "S" on the back of the cape. Jim Lee draw Supes as having his "S" shield almost cover the whole part of his upper torso, his cape longer, more messy hair look. This is the same way Bryan Singer is going with. He is just like a comic book artist: adding his own vision to Supes as other comic book artists do.

[dr collossus]

Hey hey, two more people who don't like the way Ed McGuiness draws Supes!!! :) But seriously, its not the S on the belt I have a problem with, it's Superman not looking masculine enough. Its not just the suit, its Routh too, who, by the way, I have as yet seen no evidence can actually act. Seeing as we are not being shown any footage of him acting, it would be nice if the pictures they released of him didn't show him looking wooden. Keanu mkII from the looks of it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It was just meh then and it's slightly better than Meh now, I will have to see the movie for final thoughts.

[Nightwing1977]

Hey hey, two more people who don't like the way Ed McGuiness draws Supes!!! :) But seriously, its not the S on the belt I have a problem with, it's Superman not looking masculine enough. Its not just the suit, its Routh too, who, by the way, I have as yet seen no evidence can actually act. Seeing as we are not being shown any footage of him acting, it would be nice if the pictures they released of him didn't show him looking wooden. Keanu mkII from the looks of it.

Well, Reeve wasn't masculine enough either when he did Superman. His acting was what won him over, not his build. If Routh can do the same, then who care about his build. Be glad he much bigger than he was 4 yrs. ago. He was skinny as hell like he has eating disorder on that old pic. And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again. You said you hated the suit & that people who prefer the movie suit than the comic suit are much of a lesser fan. And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden? Sure, that because he not big like the way you want so you think he's wooden. :rolleyes: And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead. Man, am I shocked!! :o :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, Reeve wasn't masculine enough either when he did Superman. His acting was what won him over, not his build. If Routh can do the same, then who care about his build. Be glad he much bigger than he was 4 yrs. ago. He was skinny as hell like he has eating disorder on that old pic. And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again. You said you hated the suit & that people who prefer the movie suit than the comic suit are much of a lesser fan. And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden? Sure, that because he not big like the way you want so you think he's wooden. :rolleyes: And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead. Man, am I shocked!! :o :o

Very correct, Reeves in fact almost did not get the role because people involved thought he was too scrawny, but as you said his acting won them over as well as his dedication to the role. He bulked up and put on something like 15-25lbs of muscle.

[dr collossus]

^^Exactly. They knew he was right for the part, but he wasn't built enough, so they sent him off to train with Darth Vader to pump iron and bulk up.

And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again

No, I hate the suit. In future make sure you read what people say before making moronic comments:

Its not just the suit, its Routh too

And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden?

Yes. You think he doesn't? Look at his face. And in ALL the pictures, not just that one, look at his facial expression, his stance, his posture...Forgive me, you're right, I can just see the Oscar nominations rolling in!!!

And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead

No. See above.

[Nightwing1977]

^^Exactly. They knew he was right for the part, but he wasn't built enough, so they sent him off to train with Darth Vader to pump iron and bulk up.



They knew he was right for the part after he build up, genius. Donner like his 1st test, but he wasn't going to pick him after seeing how skinny Reeve was. And actually, Reeve got trained from David Prowse when he did Superman 3, not Superman 1. Duh! :p



No, I hate the suit. In future make sure you read what people say before making moronic comments:



I did read. You just like to change your comments around to look more superior. And I know you hate the suit. You said that, then you change around & said his build instead. Make sure you stop flip flopping your moronic comments instead.


Yes. You think he doesn't? Look at his face. And in ALL the pictures, not just that one, look at his facial expression, his stance, his posture...Forgive me, you're right, I can just see the Oscar nominations rolling in!!!



Maybe because you're focusing too much on his young face instead of something else. I know when people think someone look too young for the part, they will make up excuse like they don't look tough or whatever. Deny it again? And Oscar nomination? I wasn't aware I would looking in that like you did. ;)


No. See above.



See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what? :p

[dr collossus]

I did read. You just like to change your comments around to look more superior. And I know you hate the suit. You said that, then you change around & said his build instead. Make sure you stop flip flopping your moronic comments instead.

Wow. I can't believe you are so idiotic as to actually think I can only dislike one thing about the look of the new Superman. Seeing as you need it cut up into little bite-sized chunks and then spoon fed to you, here you go:

1. I don't like the new suit.
2. I don't like Routh.

Do you get it yet?


Maybe because you're focusing too much on his young face instead of something else. I know when people think someone look too young for the part, they will make up excuse like they don't look tough or whatever. Deny it again? And Oscar nomination? I wasn't aware I would looking in that like you did.

Jesus, it's like dealing with a three year old. What the hell has his 'young face' got to do with it? As a matter of fact, I DO think he looks too young, but that's not even remotely connected to anything I said. I said his face was expressionless, not young.


See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what? :p

I'm enjoying you not getting this so much I'm not even gonna explain it. Ask ANYONE to read what I said, and see if they know what it means.


Ya know what else, Nightwing? For a 'defender of Singer's vision' you really get wound up about all this. If you were so confident in his vision, you wouldn't feel the need to get so shirty any time you encounter someone who isn't as blinded by pants-wetting anticipation of a new Superman movie as you are. You can't seriously expect us to all sit here and clap our hands in glee like performing seals just because there is a new Superman movie coming. I seriously doubt I'm gonna like SR, because Singer has neglected some of the core values of the character that I relate to. So what? What difference does it make to you, really?

[Orlando Spider]

I would've liked to have seen this
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/Tsuyosa18/supes4.jpg as the suit in the film

[Katsuro]

See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what? :p

mkII basically means the same thing as Version 2. So he's basically saying he looks like another version of Keanu Reeves, who is known for being very wooden as an actor.

[Super Kal]

that suit looks pretty cool... the yellow needs to be a bit more gold though

[NUFFSAID2004]

sorry, I hated it at first, and I still hate it now. I'll still go and see the movie though
No need for appologies. I still detest this abomination myself. If anyone here needs to appolgize then it's that arrogant punk, "Brian Singer" for giving us this detestable representaion of an american pop legend. Unfortunately, I myself could not stand to go and see this.:down

[NUFFSAID2004]

Hated it at first and now I love it! I never minded the collar, boots or belt. My problem with it was the colors and the first scanned image we got was way too dark. Since then we have seen an official WB press photo and the colors look much closer to the Donner films than previously thought. :up:
Still too dark.