Jean Grey/Phoenix

[Bastila]

Come to think of it that song is much more applicable to Phoenix/X3 than it was to FF. What relevance does it have to FF?!

Yeah your right as its like a sad song and FF isn't sad really lol.

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

UP! So, what u guys think of the dvd? im getting mine today!!

[Psionic Force]

That would be awesome if Famke was in Iron Man!

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

yeah...me too i think. I gotta take a shower since i got called into work tonight. blah. 4 hours ain't bad. lol

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hello my pretties. I'm assuming you've seen this before, but I'm posting it anyway. Thought it was a nice shot of the ladies.

http://www.famke-janssen.org/gallery/albums/albums/public_appearances/2006/cannes_portrait_05-22-2006/01.jpg

[javon]

That is beautiful! Where did you find it?

[Psionic Force]

That is beautiful! Where did you find it?

name of the site is along the bottom of the image :D

[blurb23]

So im watching X1 now on FX before i wait at walmart, and the look on Jean's face post the machine effects still gets me that i was blind not to notice it. she just has the look, go Famke :P

Does anyone have a screencap of this? I don't have the X1 DVD, and I've heard a lot about this scene. I forget what it looks like, it's been a WHILE since I saw X1.

[triplefive]

Nobody in the world should have high-res pictures taken of their feet, lol.

Famke's feet have been shoved in heels a bit too much in her life :/ She's still gorgeous though.

[Douces]

Famke looks nice in that pic. her legs are so hot! Halle looks....well slightly constipated. I think she is just upset she has to sit next to the hotness that is Famke.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Famke looks nice in that pic. her legs are so hot! Halle looks....well slightly constipated. I think she is just upset she has to sit next to the hotness that is Famke.

Heh...maybe you're more "upset", considering that Halle is not the one "sitting."

So...so much for that hotness-intimidation factor eh? Yeh. :whatever:

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

I posted that pic on page 500, in case you hadn't known before.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I posted that pic on page 500, in case you hadn't known before.


Yeah but...mine's bigger.

:p

[phoenix_force]

Yeah but...mine's bigger.

:p
and u got it from the halle boards on imdb where i posted it?:oldrazz:

[Bastila]

Nobody in the world should have high-res pictures taken of their feet, lol.

Famke's feet have been shoved in heels a bit too much in her life :/ She's still gorgeous though.


Wow just looked at them and they are big lol. Forgot she had big feet lol.

Nice picture of them two though.

[triplefive]

Wow just looked at them and they are big lol. Forgot she had big feet lol.

Nice picture of them two though.
most people her height have big feet, but i was referring more to the very uncomfortable looking bunions.

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

That would be awesome if Famke was in Iron Man! is she? i didnt knew that!

[JP]

That's a nice pic of the girls.

[WorthyStevens]

http://www.famke-janssen.org/gallery/albums/albums/public_appearances/2006/cannes_portrait_05-22-2006/normal_01.jpg


I'm sensing some discomfort between the two of them... :oldrazz:

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Yeah but...mine's bigger.

:p

i was going to post the big one but I considered the Bandwidth would stretch the thread horizontally. As a board member, I was very considerate. :)

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I'm sensing some discomfort between the two of them... :oldrazz:
Yeah, that's I see as well.

[Lightning Strykez!]

i was going to post the big one but I considered the Bandwidth would stretch the thread horizontally. As a board member, I was very considerate. :)


And for that you are to be lauded and well-loved. :oldrazz:

I'm sensing some discomfort between the two of them...

I'm sensing some fans are reading waaaay too much into that photo.
:hyper:

[WorthyStevens]

Those smiles just look forced.

[Celestio]

Looks genuine to me. :)

[no1phoenixfan]

Lightning strikes that's a great picture of Halle and Famke. they look great. Thankyou for sharing the picture.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

And for that you are to be lauded and well-loved. :oldrazz:



I'm sensing some fans are reading waaaay too much into that photo.
:hyper:

Famke's smile doesn't look forced at all...its a natural kind of smile while Halle... looks like she's concipated...while thinking *hurry up and take it, I gotta take a dump so badly. Hurry!!!*

[gap5ewl]

Rotl!

[flavio_lebeau]

damn, what do you guys want? only Rebecca is crazy enough to show her uvula while laughing. Normal people smile when taking photos. And they took some more pics together in japan (didnt they?)...

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

uvula?

[Boba_Fett_123]

uvula?

Dangly thing in the back of her throat. Get yer mind out of the gutter. :oldrazz:

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Dude...I had no idea what he meant and my mind was never in the gutter...until recently...


been reading the Grail which is an X-Men fic...most ppl here i know have read it and it takes place after X2...good god...I love my avvy and its distracting me. heh Jean calling him a b!tch.lol

"I'm the Phoenix B!tch!"

-end humor-

Anyway...on a serious note.

I've always been curious about Jean's Death and how a powerful telepath could survive after the water crushed her but at the same time, I've never seen a woman capable of such strength. I always been curious of how she could have survived but its interesting when you think about it when u hear strange reports of a glow in the lake and a woman who can walk just above the water. It intrigues me when a woman like Jean Grey, has well been one of the most complex character next to Logan but in similiarities, I'd say, she's one of the most complex character next to Anakin Skywalker. I've always asked myself what if questions and I hear Xavier's words "Sometimes the mind needs to discover things for itself..." -sighs- I've always been interested in genetics, mutations and this whole Phoenix force mythology of whom Jean becomes later, but going by the comics, yeah. I Didn't care about Jean in the comics, my eyes were focused on her Cyclops...since he was so badass and all but when I saw X-Men 2 a few months ago after so long, not just Janssen but mostly of what happened to Jean totally changed my views on her and its b/c of her Death (putting aside her other death in x3), made me feel different.


What I really like about Jean Grey is the way she was portrayed in X2 and Famke was brilliant and her Death really really made me feel for her more. Its not that she's hot, sexy -which isn't what drew me to her and famke herself in the first place, but how she portrayed a strong woman who risked her life to save the ones she loved. Wither it was suicide but I think it was an act of self sacrafice-but on top of that, this woman wasn't afraid of her well-being, she did something that no one else could have done, not even Charlies himself. She was afraid of the survival of her comrades and she knew all too well what she was heading into once she made her choice and the moment she left the Jet. A Choice...which I couldn't see anyone make,let alone Jean... but Jean understood and she knew what was happening around her. She felt the dam erupted and the water rushing, the X-jet was powerless cause Jean's telekinetic had something to do with it. So I can think of 3 and possibly more reasons why she had to leave the Jet.

1. She sensed the dam erupted 2. She feared for her friends and their survival. 3. She knew in some way, her own powers were effecting the X-Jet from starting. (think back to her first scene in the museum with Scott just before he asks her whats wrong and she claims its just a headache and then to the scene in X3 when her telekinetic sprials out of control causing the infirmary room to shake and things falling out of their place).


Referring to the fic, "Grail", I like how it starts with Scott mourning after the loss of Jean and how it centers around her too. I love it...it really adds depth to both in the movieverse, and I wish I could see this being played out on the big screen. It'll help make others see that mutants like the X-Men for example, aren't all what they're cracked up to be. They're humans...like us. They feel pain, they feel emotions, they make mistakes, they all have flaws and none of them are perfect. They're human beings except with super powers as Janssen has said during an interview she did along with Marsden. Both of them understood why Singer wanted X-men take place in the world we live in today so we could in a way understand who they are and that they're humans but different in a way that society won't accept cause of the fear and hate that humans have against mutants cause they feel their power is destructive and could someday eventually wipe out the rest of humanity. Why would the good mutants want to do that? No...Not even the X-Men would want that...not even Jean. This fic made me open up to my feelings regarding Jean and Scott's relationship and especially to Jean.

Here's a snippet of some parts that really got to me...and it made me feel as if it were happening to me if I was in Scott's place... I almost felt exactly same way when I lost someone and I would ask myself, why!?

I still don't understand why she kept me in the plane. Didn't she know I wasn't strong enough to live without her? I need her so badly, but she wasn't going to stay with me anyway.
I hate her. I f***ing hate her. But I don't know if I hate her more because she was going to leave me, or because she did.

It brought back memories of my own past but thats how I would have felt if I lost someone close to me...who loved me and taught me things I never thought of ...or dreamt of...someone who was always there for me when no one else could.

Here's another snippet which deals with Scott and Logan slowly getting on each other's good side.

He shuffled his feet, a soft rasp on the carpet. "Kid -- Scott -- I think maybe we need some space, you'n me." His breath gusted out. "I didn't mean to cause trouble for you and Jeannie." I tensed, not knowing how to respond to that unexpected apology. "It was just a way to yank your chain, then . . . she was . . . " He paused, finishing finally, "You ever want something so bad you could taste it? But you didn't even realize you wanted it till it was right in front of you -- so close -- but you knew you didn't deserve it, or have a prayer?"I felt gut-punched. "Yes. I have.""She made me feel like that. It's just what she was, y'know?""I know." For the first time since Logan had arrived, I felt some kind of genuine kinship with the man. "Jean was my world, Logan. Or a big part of it."

He nodded, still not looking at me. I could discern his silhouette against the light from the windows. "I didn't see what she meant to you at first, but yeah, on the plane, at the end -- " He turned while I was mute with pain, and headed for the door. Opening it, he paused. "You can tell the kids I went to Japan.""And what do I tell them when they ask if you'll be back?""Tell 'em, yeah, I'll be back. I guess I got responsibilities now, eh?" And the door clicked to behind him.Returning to the couch, I collapsed on it. Some of the knots inside me had loosened. Not all of them, but some.


thats why I feel for both Men but more for Jean its like...she opened my eyes in different directions I see things one way and another way and I understand them one way and another way.

I was Emo while reading the fic. -sighs- if only we had more scenes of Scott grieving for Jean...then it would have made their reunion in x3 more emotional than just "your back! Gimmie a hug. Oh s***, I'm owned." dead.


This fic made me feel more for what had happened prior to what was going to happen in X3 even though the events of what I thought were going to happen were different... it sucks when you assume too much but in the end, who knows. Jean could have gone to the other side of the universe as Phoenix, probably to that Galaxy far far away...heh. lol.

If I were to choose between Jean's death and Padme's death, I chose Jean's death. Her death made me so EMO...that I felt it and her death added a lot more depth to her arc and it made an emotional impact I've never felt before. What amazed me was how and why she died. She made a choice by leaving the plane, blocked Scott off from catching up to her by closing the hatch behind her, turned the jet engines back on-line, held back the rushing water, held Nightcrawler in his place, telepathically speaking through Xavier while lifting X-jet off the ground - all these things at the same time - something I've never seen before. Brilliant acting by Janssen though and especially Marsden. The moment he heard Jean that she's outside, he acted on it right away and I knew he wanted nothing more but to be with her, to stand by her side or atleast try to reach out to her and make her change her mind. I believe Jean knew what she was getting herself into especially when she cut him off. She felt he wasn't ready to face what she was about to face... she feared for him, for his survival and she needed him to survive cause she knew how much Scott meant to the X-Men. If he had died, they'd be leaderless. Regardless of what could have happened during those first few moments between the time she left the jet and just before she held back the rushing water, Jean Grey was in control. There was no going back, not when there were lives at stake especially the ones closest to Jean's heart.

She was a hero and will always be a hero to me. I still consider Scott as a hero for trying his best to stop Jean from taking the risk that no one else had dared to do, but atleast he tried because he loved her...she was everything to him and he to her and that is exactly what should been shown and expanded upon in X3.

-sniffles-

[SCOTT&JEAN]

A few things from "Treatment"

The Poster

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7715/treatmentvq0.jpg

The Trailer

....can be found at the official website

http://www.treatmentmovie.com/

[WorthyStevens]

Famke looks... weird.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

From what I found out I think there are special screenings all over. I don't know when the movie is coming out.

Anyway I found this review


Friday October 6, 2006

New York romantic comedy sends up psychotherapy

by michael fox
correspondent

When we meet Jake Singer, the thoroughly likable protagonist of Oren Rudavsky’s terrific romantic comedy, “The Treatment,” he’s stalking his ex-girlfriend outside a Manhattan restaurant.

He means no harm to her. He’s just having a hard time letting go.

Jake is in his late 30s, and fortunately he has a good therapist. So good, in fact, that the time may come when Jake can let him go, too.

“The Treatment” screens Oct. 8 and 11 in the Mill Valley Film Festival. It doesn’t have a distributor yet, so it’s possible that these will be the only times the film plays a local theater. Fans of smart comedy, not to mention anyone who’s been through therapy, should move fast.

Actor Chris Eigeman, who plays Jake, isn’t close to the image of neurotic New York Jews that Woody Allen projected for decades. It has something to do with his bland good looks, as well as one’s recollection of the preppies he played 15 years ago when he debuted in Whit Stillman’s arch comedies “Metropolitan” and “Barcelona.”

In fact, “The Treatment” doesn’t particularly seem like a Jewish story unless you’re aware that it was adapted from Daniel Menaker’s 1998 novel by director Rudavsky, who’s best known for the stellar Jewish-themed documentaries (“A Life Apart” and “Hiding and Seeking”) he made with Menachem Daum.

Then again, my experience with shrinks is limited to six weeks almost 20 years ago. The movie might play differently for those with more time on the couch. As Rudavsky told an interviewer earlier this year, “Psychotherapy is the Jewish art.”

While Jake is a deeply assimilated Jew, he’s also an exceedingly compassionate one. At the private school where he teaches English, he’s always standing up for the inner-city black student who was ostensibly brought in for the educational opportunity but in fact was recruited because of his basketball skill.

His relationship with his aging father, a retired doctor beautifully played by Harris Yulin, is infused on both sides with love, respect and concern. Each acknowledges the other’s need for independence, but eagerly provides advice when asked.

Jake has a rockier rapport with his therapist, played to acerbic, hilarious perfection by Ian Holm. Dr. Morales is cocky, demanding and generally unsatisfied with whatever breakthrough Jake claims for himself.

The major one involves a well-off young mother whose son attends Jake’s school. Allegra (shrewdly played by Famke Janssen of “Nip/Tuck”) was suddenly and recently widowed, but it doesn’t stop the duo from falling into an affair.

One curious complication — or should I say manifestation — is Dr. Morales’ occasional materialization when Jake and Allegra are getting intimate. His influence on Jake is so profound that the patient is seeing him where he’s not. To his credit, Jake realizes that urgent action is required.

What makes “The Treatment” so pleasurable is that everyone speaks and acts with unmistakable intelligence. I don’t mean they walk around quoting the Greek classics — though there is some of that — but these are evolved people going through life with their eyes open. That may not have always been the case, especially for Jake, but it is now.

Consequently, whatever missteps Jake takes or messes he makes stem from trying to do what’s right by himself and others. But as my father used to lament, no good deed goes unpunished.

Along with its other virtues, the film does not take itself too seriously. It clocks in at a zippy 81 minutes, with John Zorn’s score sustaining the buoyant mood.

In other words, rest assured that there is absolutely nothing painful about this “Treatment.” On the contrary, it’s one of the most pleasant surprises of the year.



Source: http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/30537/format/html/displaystory.html

[BMM]

Famke looks... weird.

Yeah, to me it almost looks as if two separate facial expressions have been combined into one.

[gap5ewl]

famke looks like she's 60 there!

[triplefive]

famke looks like she's 60 there!
yeah, and they forgot to fill in the rest of her eyebrow :/

[gap5ewl]

i think we found bigfoot lol











*wonders how long it will take for people to figure out the joke*

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I doubt that most of you here have the phoenix concept art on your dvds right? I'll grab some screencaps of the best ones :)

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[phoenix_force]

OMG amazing i want those in the movie!
i want the phoenix version of gg bridge!

[lordofthenerds]

Holy s**t the firebird looks sweet! :wow: Instead we got Ratners lame-ass hag version. :csad:

[xii22_loop]

those are sooooooooo beyond amazing

[SCOTT&JEAN]

WOW!!!!!!! That's amazing! Thanks!

[@JeanGrey]

Wow!!! :wow::wow::wow::wow:
f***ing great pics!

thanks!

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

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I love her. :csad:

[Neto Magnus]

You brits get everything. :(


and great post their DOD.:up: Jean truely was a hero.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

You brits get everything. :(


and great post their DOD.:up: Jean truely was a hero.

Thanks man. I worked hard on the post for hours.

[Neto Magnus]

Thanks man. I worked hard on the post for hours.
yea, and it takes that long to read it. :)

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

yea, and it takes that long to read it. :)

and yet I edited it just a bit. "What amazed me was how and why she died." :heart:

[triplefive]

thanks for posting _BB_... that stuff is really awesome.

it almost would have made more sense to go with a destructive TK "bubble" than the full out demolecularization, but it wouldn't have been as visually stunning of course.

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

BB tnx for the pics they are great!

and i cant wait to watch "the treatment" my excuse: is a chickflick.... with Famke on it.
if we want the media to treat her and take her in count as we know she deserves we have to support her career, right?

[Bastila]

WOW, those pictures are great, why why why where they not used in the film.

And DOD your post about Jean was great, it made me think again of while I have always liked her more then any other character and it was so well wrote and the way you explained it as well and that fan fic is great!.
But it truly shows who Jean is and you put in down in words so well.
Jean truly is a hero forever and she will go on and on.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

thank you. Now I know how hard it was for Scott to open up to Jean in a way he couldn't because he had no one...but she helped him get through that phase and their bond grew stronger...until that unfateful day at Alkali Lake. I guess Scott and I are one in the same cause I can relate to him and in some ways, I can relate to Logan cause I know what its like to be alone but Jean helped/made me see things in a new light.

[gap5ewl]

great post dod:up:

You guys ever notice though that when Jean senses the damn has ruptured, she turns the opposite way? Always wondered about that..

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

great post dod:up:

You guys ever notice though that when Jean senses the damn has ruptured, she turns the opposite way? Always wondered about that..

I've always known. Once it ruptured, she felt it- thats why she turned the other way. Great acting there by Janssen though. the way she looked back over her shoulder, with sniffles, and realizing what she was going to do, really made me so EMO. :csad:

[Bastila]

^
Yeah it was that look on her face, it was amazing, you could see in her face how she felt.

[Storm22]

As cool as those concepts of Phoenix looked most of them were a bit too special FX-y, too sci-fi for a movie that's part of a trilogy where they try ground the FX/powers in some kind of reality.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/xmen2_dvd_caps499.jpg

Fearless Jean, but fearful of the survival of her friends. "I have to do this...for Scott...for the X-Men. I need to focus..." and here Jean makes her 'Stand'. Thats the Jean I fell for... Strong, determined, focused, and in some ways, she out-thinked ( not sure if thats the right word for it)Xavier, in a way of what she was going to do, which no one else could have done, but she had the power, strength and the will to do what she felt needed to be done. It was a risk, yes, and she was willing to take that and deal with it on her own even though it would cost her own life, but in the end, it did. -bows his head-

[Vasilios]

Love it, love this thread!!!!

Did anyone notice that in some of the original Wal Mart ads Jean Grey is standing next to Wolverine? The final image has Storm next to him...I wonder who changed this and why?

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http://rapidshare.de/files/35740888/Jeanphoe.wmv.html

okay, this is the first thing ive ever made with Adobe After effects so please dont hurt me lol, hope you like it :)

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Not Bad BB..

[Cosmic Mind]

post it on Youtube. I can't see it, i try to find it and is hard...

[Cosmic Mind]

ok, I found it don't worry, not bad, keep working on it.....

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

as a conclusion:
Jean Grey is the best!!!

[LMason]

"The Treatment"'s website is pretty outdated.

It's also playing the Mill Valley Film Festival and the Hamptons Film Festival this month.

Here's the newer trailer - there's a little X-Men shout-out in the trailer.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uVZGbF1sOcE

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Actually, the trailer doesn't look as new. lol. Looks the same as the first one. All in all, I like it. I want to see it but I'm not sure I can.

[Cosmic Mind]

If only I can post an image I don't know how......

[Cosmic Mind]

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Can someone please do a manip of this one ( instead of blue, you know, more red and yellow) sorry, look like I manage to post it by using quote, but still I want to know how to post my pictures, I don't know how....

[X-Maniac]

As cool as those concepts of Phoenix looked most of them were a bit too special FX-y, too sci-fi for a movie that's part of a trilogy where they try ground the FX/powers in some kind of reality.

Yes, that is part of the problem. With all those energy visuals, you wouldn't be able to see the physical objects flying about and being destroyed.

The pre-viz scene of the phoenix firebird leaving Jean when she dies was good though!

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

when you hit Post Reply... theres an icon beside... the Quote icon on the left...Thats how u post pictures...you click on the Picture icon...the YELLOW one...that has a mountain in it. and all u gotta do is copy and paste the url in the pop up window to post your image.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Been watching X1 and just before he escapes the confrontation with the police and Xavier, Magneto made a comment about Xavier not willing to make sacrafices...and Jean in X2 came to mind when she made her choice.

[flavio_lebeau]

http://rapidshare.de/files/35740888/Jeanphoe.wmv.html

okay, this is the first thing ive ever made with Adobe After effects so please dont hurt me lol, hope you like it :)
:eek: OH GAWD that puts my attempt to shame, abby :up:

[Psionic Force]

AWESOME pics BB!

Why the hell would they have them on the dvd? I mean, show everyone what they COULD have gotten.... and it is 100% better!

[LMason]

Will Phoenix rise again in X-Men 4?: Famke Janssen would love to come back here, though; Hans Ongsansoy
Vancouver Province 10-03-2006

Will Phoenix rise again in X-Men 4?: Famke Janssen would love to come back here, though
Byline: Hans Ongsansoy
Edition: Final
Section: E-Today
Column: Exclusive Interview
Type: Column; Interview
Memo: Interview with Famke Janssen.

Given just 15 minutes to speak with Famke Janssen recently, it was critical that I only ask the X-Men star the most important questions.

So, Famke, who would win in a fight between Phoenix and Superman?
"Phoenix," said Janssen, whose Jean Grey character is resurrected as the all-powerful being in X-Men: The Last Stand. "She's the most powerful mutant. Superman or Batman: None of them stands a chance."

While Janssen's answer is not surprising -- after all, she's inhabited this character for three movies over six years and, naturally, would be very defensive about her -- there is a lot of evidence to suggest that Superman would probably hold his own in this scenario, hypothetical though it may be.

"Well, he may think that but he's wrong," says Janssen, on the line from her home base in New York. "I can do whatever I want. I can atomize him. He could be gone in a second.

"No doubt in my mind."

With the DVD of the latest chapter in the X-Men saga landing in stores today, it's a good chance to find out from an insider whether The Last Stand is indeed that for the popular comic book-based series. It seems there's an itty-bitty shred more doubt in Janssen's mind about this.

"Uh, well, to my knowledge, as far as I know, no," she says, when asked about a sequel.

She acknowledges that director Brent Ratner did include a scene at the end of the movie that may raise hopes for fans, "but what [Ratner] has said in public has been the opposite. This is a trilogy; this is the last one -- called The Last Stand --of the trilogy. There's going to be a Wolverine spinoff, but as far as I know, that's it."

So, Ratner was just being cruel?

"No, it's a nice way to end it when it's ambiguous," says Janssen. "You're not entirely sure what's going on with some of the characters. And maybe there's a chance they'll come back or not. From what I understand, I don't think there are any plans.

"But I could be wrong. I haven't even seen the DVD so I'm the last one to know anything."

When told the DVD is great, Janssen laughs and replies, "I hear that it's great. Tell me about the scenes that have been deleted!"

In actuality, there are few with Janssen, one of them being an extended version of the climactic scene where she just rips the island of Alcatraz, and nearly everyone on it, to shreds.

Janssen knew ("absolutely!") that as the movies progressed, her character would become Phoenix, the manifestation of a second personality that Patrick Stewart's character, Professor Charles Xavier, helped Jean Grey suppress until now.

Phoenix is capable of inducing such carnage because her singular Class 5 mutant superpowers are utterly at the mercy of her tempestuous moods and emotions.

In the movies, mutants are described as the next stage in human evolution, and Janssen liked that she got to personify that transformation to the extreme.

"I did, not that I personally evolved in that same way. Let's make sure we get that straight," she says, laughing.

You mean you didn't become the most powerful actress on Earth?

"Or a psychotic one? No. Conflicted, sure. But no. It was nice she evolved the way she did," says Janssen.

This is not to say that Janssen hasn't had to transform at all in her personal life lately. Coming off the big-budget experience of X- Men, the Holland-born actor has already shot three films -- "none of which have come out yet but they're all very different and small little indies," and all filmed in NYC.

One is called The Treatment, about a relationship between a schoolteacher and a recently widowed woman portrayed by Janssen, who has two adopted children. The title comes from the advice the schoolteacher receives from his therapist. Janssen describes it as a Woody Allen-type story.

Another is a "really hilarious, weird, wacky comedy" called The Ten, which features an ensemble cast the size of which rivals X- Men.

Finally, there's Turn the River, in which Janssen plays a pool shark.

"I had to be coached for it. I'd never played before and I had a week to prep. But I did my own shots," says Janssen proudly. "It's something that was very challenging and I had to get good at it really quickly. But it's a fun game."

Too bad she didn't have Jean Grey's telekinetic powers for that, because she could have just willed the balls into the pockets.

"You know what?" Janssen says, "I had special powers because whenever the camera started rolling, shots that I could never make before all of a sudden I could make. So that was enough power for me."

While it's obvious returning to New York has been beneficial for Janssen professionally, she can't wait to get back to her home away from home, Vancouver, where the last two X-Men films were shot. Informed that this interview is a Canadian exclusive, she says to "Say hi to Canada and especially Vancouver for me," and quickly starts to recall how she loved living in Kitsilano, where she would walk her dog on the beach every day. She even dropped some dining recommendations: sushi spots Wabi Sabi and Octopus Garden, and Italian cafe Epicurean are among her faves.

Given her hectic schedule, Janssen hasn't been able to really reflect on what it has meant to be an X-Man for such an extended run. But given this chance, she seems to have only fond thoughts.

"It does represent years of my life," she says, of playing Jean Grey/Phoenix. "It's been a good bunch of years because it's been good to me and I've worked with a great group of people and really enjoyed making these movies. And I'm glad that in the last movie I got to play somebody as challenging as she ended up being."

Challenging, or psychotic?

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

... So... Am I dreaming this up? Is she for real saying she'd want to come back? I mean... wow... but theres ....wait a second. She didn't specifically say what Ratner didn't include...regarding Jean...is it possibly that jean ending is true and the way Janssen said it, she could be referring to it. For some odd reason...I feel shakey at the thought of seeing her rise...-closes his eyes- Jean... if only...

[lordofthenerds]

http://rapidshare.de/files/35740888/Jeanphoe.wmv.html

okay, this is the first thing ive ever made with Adobe After effects so please dont hurt me lol, hope you like it :)
Very well done. I like how you surrounded Phoenix with flames, it was firebird-esque. :up:

[ThePhoenixRises]

hey i am new in the boards
i love the Phoenix Golden Gate Bridge sequence better than crappy old Magneto moving the golden gate bridge... well its just me
well anyways there are a lot of complaints about the X3 dvd. SO does that mean I should buy it now or just wait for awhile (besides X3 is on you tube but not the dvd quality)

also, with all the complaints we should have a protest in front of fox studios in New York City and in Hollywood because its ridiculous how much errors on the dvd and how much of the Phoenix concept art wasn't in the film. Futhermore, the movie would have made a huge profit in the US if the deleted scences were in the final cut. (many of them) If only Fox didn't rush the movie being made. Visual artists would have enough time to make the phoenix effect. What was Fox thinking??? I think Priates of the Carribean was a success because a lot of effect and time went into the effects and the acting. Halle Berry for one thing should have never openned her mouth about she wants more lines because that screwed up the fair amount of lines each actor should have. Hugh Jackson had way too much screen time and the story doesn't make sense with him in love and killing Jean (sorry you sleeze bag its Scott's job until Emma shows up) and prequel of him doesn't make any sense because wasn't all three movies about him and his past anyway. I really think that Marvel should sell the movie rights of Xmen and future comic movies to other companys such as Warner Bros or Sony pictures other than Fox because Fantastic 4 fans are still waiting for their 2 disc edition and now its not fair that we x3 fans have to wait to for a long *** time.

Besides Famke had a really great performance. I give credit for fox casting all of the actors in the trilogy. But they really make bad decisions in money matters. From hearing from the SHH boards Rathner had no idea what he was talking about in the Dvd commentary and that was a really bad mistake because Bryan Singer on the otherhand would have made this movie a perfect film

[ThePhoenixRises]

sorry about the double post -_-

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

^^ 100% behind you. welcome to the forum.

[ThePhoenixRises]

well anyways anyone have any idea when "The Treatment" is actually coming out in theaters because unfortunately I found out about Famke after the Tribeca Film festival ended in New York -_-

I always had this question?
Jean is always will be the Phoenix God right inside her um because remember there are other phoenix hosts (like the cuckoos),
just wondering?

[phoenix_force]

Jean without phoenix beat emma frost with phoenix
Jean Herself is the ultimate power

[XCharlieX]

I doubt that most of you here have the phoenix concept art on your dvds right? I'll grab some screencaps of the best ones :)

Eh.. what they settled on for the film looks more... gritty imo. I wouldnt change anything. IMo you cant top those black eyeballs. Chilling.

[Bastila]

Nice interview, and Jean can so kick Superman's butt, good to know Famke believes that as well.
So she might do another one cool.
Look forward to the treatment as well.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

I'd like to know what she meant by acknowledging that there was something that might raise hopes for us fans.... -sighs-

[MaleRogue]

Are there more concept arts???
Of Rogue or more Jean ones?
Are there Rogue concept arts?

[Phoenix5185]

I'd like to know what she meant by acknowledging that there was something that might raise hopes for us fans.... -sighs-


She was talking about the secret ending, with the Professor still being alive. That leaves open the possibility for another sequel, thus giving fans a little hope.

[sc12een17am3]

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http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5729/j8va6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

(http://imageshack.us)

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o man thanx _BB_ for the posts!

i love this pic, if they did this but in Red for the movie it would of gave the movie a better rating... :woot:

[Bastila]

I'd like to know what she meant by acknowledging that there was something that might raise hopes for us fans.... -sighs-

all we can do at the moment it hope :yay:

[phoenix_force]

famke won best flesh scene in spike tv's scream awards!

[Bastila]

^
Best what flesh scean? What? Got a link by the way.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Here... http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061008/nysu004.html?.v=66

BEST FLESH SCENE: FAMKE JANSSEN & HUGH JACKMAN, "X-MEN: THE LAST STAND"

BEST SCREEN-TO-COMIC ADAPTATION: "X-MEN: THE LAST STAND"

[Angamb]

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9386/j14oq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:wow: :wow: OMG! That's what I always wanted, destruction in the big city! Why wasn't like this in the film? :csad:

[TKing]

^That's awesome. :up:

[Angamb]

A try:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5971/phoenixfirexy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Angamb]

other:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2212/phoenixfire1he0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Cosmic Mind]

A try:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5971/phoenixfirexy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Angamb, can you give me this one but plain, I mean, without the fire bird???

[Angamb]

the original pic is on this thread. two pages back.

[flavio_lebeau]

oh, i always wished to see Phoenix causing huge destruction on the city :(

[ThePhoenixRises]

me too
the golden gate scene we got with magneto is bogus.. damn you fox

[flavio_lebeau]

and they had the same idea i did: make Phoenix go Moses and open the sea in SF bay. That would have been awesome, and show she truly could be considered a goddess.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9023/j16bj2.jpg

tell me this wouldnt have looked awesome :(

[ThePhoenixRises]

I love those pics.......
Jean would look soo unstoppable as the Phoenix in the box office if those effects were in the movie... damn i have to wait 2 more yrs to sit in a director's chair... but man those special effects would have killed the summer box office...

[ThePhoenixRises]

I love those pics.......
Jean would look soo unstoppable as the Phoenix in the box office if those effects were in the movie... damn i have to wait 2 more yrs to sit in a director's chair... but man those special effects would have killed the summer box office...

[Charlie No-One]

Where are those pics from?

[no1phoenixfan]

Phoenix concept pics from the movie brit rogue got them on their DVD. I think England got a cooler version DVD than some of us did but their cool pics.

[no1phoenixfan]

Phoenix concept pics from the movie brit rogue got them on their DVD. I think England got a cooler version DVD than some of us did but their cool pics.

[no1phoenixfan]

Where are those pics from?


sorry double post, i hate when i do that.

[michaaaeel]

and they had the same idea i did: make Phoenix go Moses and open the sea in SF bay. That would have been awesome, and show she truly could be considered a goddess.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9023/j16bj2.jpg

tell me this wouldnt have looked awesome :(


That would have looked better than awesome! That would have been great if that was in the movie!

[Bastila]

All those pictures would have been awesome in the film why why why lol.
One day maybe we will see them.

[ThePhoenixRises]

okk this is what i do not get
um who's idea was it to put the cure into the movie?
i mean X3 should have really focused more on Jean not the cure/Wolverine/Storm

[phoenix_force]

fox didnt want jean in this movie AT ALL origionally singer was going to do x3 and x4 on phoenix

[ThePhoenixRises]

x3 and x4 screw fox !!!!
i wish that there is a recut of X3.. don't know if that would ever happen

[Farren]

I can't believe they didn't go with some of this phoenix stuff in the art...

remember Alp Altiner's shot of the bridge from months ago?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/xmen3_concepts_005.jpg

[ThePhoenixRises]

wow those pics are sooo coool
grr makes me even more angier at fox looking at this cool special effects images that SHOULD have been used. X3 could have surpassed POTC:DMC in the box office if they would have added the phoenix effects,cut off the concept of the cure, and also better writing..... GRRR...

[X-Maniac]

wow those pics are sooo coool
grr makes me even more angier at fox looking at this cool special effects images that SHOULD have been used. X3 could have surpassed POTC:DMC in the box office if they would have added the phoenix effects,cut off the concept of the cure, and also better writing..... GRRR...

Except why would Phoenix be doing all that if there wasn't a reason like the cure????

She can't just be flying about creating random tidal waves.

The cure was there to give a controversial storyline. In X1, it was the mutant registration act - Magneto responded and took Rogue, so the X-Men had to stop Magneto and also rescue Rogue. In X2, it was the threat of extermination from William Stryker's 'evil Cerebro' plan - and he took Xavier (and Scott), so the X-Men had to stop Stryker and also rescue Xavier and Scott. In X3, there is a similar pattern. The cure is the trigger for Magneto to start a war - he recruits Jean as his 'weapon', so the X-Men have to stop him and also get to her before she destroys everything.

The images of Jean parting the waters would have been great to see if they had somehow had her arriving separately at Alcatraz island. She'd have to be against the cure, or on Magneto's side to be going there, so the cure storyline was important to that. Why else would she be there?

[ThePhoenixRises]

=( i liked Singer's view of X3 focusing on the Dark Phoenix Saga but well Rathner wanted to use a different concept and not Singer's ideas... ooo well
lets hope we could get a recut of X3....
um how come i can't put a avatar or post new threads since its not allowing me to post new threads and i can't find the link to put a avatar

[Halcohol]

=( i liked Singer's view of X3 focusing on the Dark Phoenix Saga but well Rathner wanted to use a different concept and not Singer's ideas... ooo well
lets hope we could get a recut of X3....
um how come i can't put a avatar or post new threads since its not allowing me to post new threads and i can't find the link to put a avatar
Go here. (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137235)

[ThePhoenixRises]

Ok can someone actually post this as a new thread for me since I can't post yet unfortuantely

To all the fans of Xmen,

I think its time to take a stand.
Its not fair to what is FOX doing to the fans. I mean seriously, we the fans are disappointed of what FOX is doing to us. Especially with the different problems with the X3 DVDs with the false advertising. Its time for someone to actually take a stand because we have consitutional rights to tell FOX how we feel because all they want is $$$ money $$$
and power. Unfortunately, I really loved X Men the Last Stand , but the biggest disappointment is knowing that FOX didn't want a Dark Phoenix focused story. Instead, they wanted a focus on Storm and Wolverine. The visual effects of the concept art of the Phoenix looks sooo awesome. Fox rushed the production of X Men the Last Stand in order for it to open before the summer session. Sooo I could go on and on but to make my point. I am disappointed of the fact that the US got a region 1 dvd with only 11 deleted scenes and only 1 disc while overseas they get the 2 discs.

Listen write letters to Fox and Marvel Entertainment stating how you feel about X Men the Last Stand. Pass this word on: We as citizens of the United States of America have freedom of speech to express how we feel about different issues. Also, overseas people come on if your really a fan of XMen STAND UP. Are you just going to sit there and stay quiet about not having a X Men 4 movie. Seriously, X Men the Last Stand worldwide was a sucess. If only more time and effort and MONEY was put into X3. MAKE SURE MAIL UR DVD TO FOX with a letter of complaints as fans.... here are the addresses. If you live near these addresses hand deliever it and tell the front desk make sure it comes to the hands of the President of the Company. Mail to either MARVEL or FOX

Twentieth Century Fox Film
1211 Ave of the Americas # 302
New York, NY 10036
(212) 556-2406
or
Fox Entertainment Group Inc
1211 Ave of the Americas # 302
New York, NY 10036
(212) 852-7111

Marvel Entertainment, Inc.
417 5th Avenue
New York, NY 10016
or
Marvel Studios
9242 Beverly Boulevard
Suite 350
Beverly Hills, CA 90210

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Can someone post the picture of jean before she kills the proffesor and everything kinda freezes and she puts her hands out.

[ntcrawler]

Thanks man. I worked hard on the post for hours.

Glad you enjoyed that novel. There are others where that one came from BTW. Really puts the reader on a higher level than what that third movie gave us, especially considering the Phoenix saga, huh? :) Yes, Jean died a hero, she came back a hero, and proved she could overcome one of life's most difficult, and extraordinairy challenges. And she survived it all, as a hero. Not as the monster that X3 would have us believe.

[ntcrawler]

But it truly shows who Jean is and you put in down in words so well.
Jean truly is a hero forever and she will go on and on.

That's the idea. And that's proof that this author has talent and brains and heart. Only a hack of a writer would reduce Jean to just being an evil, murdering, out of control monster than needs to be hunted down.

[ntcrawler]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/xmen2_dvd_caps499.jpg

Fearless Jean, but fearful of the survival of her friends. "I have to do this...for Scott...for the X-Men. I need to focus..." and here Jean makes her 'Stand'. Thats the Jean I fell for... Strong, determined, focused, and in some ways, she out-thinked ( not sure if thats the right word for it)Xavier, in a way of what she was going to do, which no one else could have done, but she had the power, strength and the will to do what she felt needed to be done. It was a risk, yes, and she was willing to take that and deal with it on her own even though it would cost her own life, but in the end, it did. -bows his head-

When the dam of Alkali Lake had crumbled and the torrent had borne down on the trapped X-Men, snapping pines and sweeping away everything in its path, it was Jean's augmented power that had saved the lives of her friends and students -- and of the man who'd preserved her sanity, the man who'd taught her to love, and a third who'd challenged her equilibrium, but would end up cementing her resolve.

She'd made herself a hero at last because she'd been both able to help, and no longer afraid to do so.


Unfortunately, the cost was her life. Or so everyone thought.



It takes more than a mountain of water to kill the real Jean Grey. And even more than that to break her and Scott apart. :up:

[britrogue]

Phoenix concept pics from the movie brit rogue got them on their DVD. I think England got a cooler version DVD than some of us did but their cool pics.

Why am I being mentioned? I didn't post them. :huh:

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

dude i hate that they didnt use all that cool phoenix stuff on the movie.. this makes me hate it more and more

[Military Man]

dude i hate that they didnt use all that cool phoenix stuff on the movie.. this makes me hate it more and more
I think they didn't use the special fire effects on Phoenix because it'll look really fake. Using so much effects on Famke wouldn't make her look real. Using the creepy veins and the dark eyes made her more realistic, I guess.

[flavio_lebeau]

in some way, it was good to stay here and see all the spoilers for the movie before it came out, because, really, if i went to the movie only after watching the second trailer, i think i would cry. Thank god i knew there wouldnt be a firebird, there wouldnt be Scott, there wouldnt be a true Storm. If i went there expecting the firebird (like i was until a week before it was released), Scott and a good Storm and Rogue, i would be even more disappointed than what i got. At least i went prepared. I still think that if Phoenix had the true effects that they promised us, X3 could have an even bigger BO. And i would see a dream coming true, that was to see Phoenix in all her glory (which i thought would happen after seeing the firebird in X2). Instead we got CarrieDarkWillowwithcheap3secondsFlightandnofirebi rd. :(

[Bastila]

Instead we got CarrieDarkWillowwithcheap3secondsFlightandnofirebi rd. :(

lol, well in a way they might have runied the phoenix effect but still would have been cool to see it.
But all we can say is 'if' now.

[Pirateking]

I think they didn't use the special fire effects on Phoenix because it'll look really fake. Using so much effects on Famke wouldn't make her look real. Using the creepy veins and the dark eyes made her more realistic, I guess.


I was having a convo with my bro about this. I thought the way they did the Pheonix Force was fab, but he really wanted to see the Firebird!

[AznBABYBANDIT]

phoenix fire would make her looks like a cgi...

[britrogue]

If fans here can make the firebord look effective in manipulations, then they damn well could have done it with professionals.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

I think nowadays, we havn't had seen any strong female heros that have been portrayed the way Jean Grey was portrayed and you gotta give Singer some of the credit too. Without his realistic direction and the way Jean's death was thought out the way it did on screen, then yeah, it wouldn't have made the impact that it did.

Your probably thinking, yeah but she's not real - she's just a fictional character made up 40 years ago, but to me, in respect, deep down, theres a little bit of Jean Grey and Dark Phoenix in us no matter what we're going through in our lives - our actions speak a thousands words than the words that come out of our mouths.

The same can apply to any Marvel character but Jean, Scott and Logan, are the ones I deeply admire for who they are and what they're willing to fight for what they believe in.

[Pirateking]

I have to dress up on Hallowe'en. I'm gonna see Scissor Sisters. I'm dressing as Phoenix.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Whoever wants to read my full and finished post on Jean can read it on myspace. I posted it as a blog if anyone is interested and while I wrote it, I was serious.

you can go here...

www.myspace.com/Anakin20

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

I think they didn't use the special fire effects on Phoenix because it'll look really fake. Using so much effects on Famke wouldn't make her look real. Using the creepy veins and the dark eyes made her more realistic, I guess. well is not just the phoenix effect, but everything i mean the bridge? that would look awesome... i was watching X3 the other day and i couldnt help cover my eyes in the moment wolverine "killed her" it is so painful to watch that.. i mean she finally do something after "killing" xavier and what for so i can get all excited about it and puff is over?? i remember my look on the theater... i start crying... i mean i was so freaking happy she actually raise her self through telekenesis and everything.. and then in a minute she is "dead" man, f** sad, so f** sad!!:csad:

[phoenixrage1]

hi there! new guy here. just joined. write me back, someone!

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiND4itFbCcAHf2jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsNXZtZnJ jBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTk5OV83Mw--/SIG=11r0r72vq/EXP=1160590275/**http%3a//www.freewebs.com/jean-grey/1.jpg


Forever shall the Phoenix rage...

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

http://www.freewebs.com/jean-grey/1.jpg

Yes...so she can rage upon those who screwed her characterization in X3. Its not Ms Janssen's fault, but Fox and the writers.

[SCOTT&JEAN]

I love ^that^ pic!

[ntcrawler]

^^^ Frightening pic. Beautiful, but frightening

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

can anyone picture Janssen in the Phoenix outfit? I sort of can... but, it would be nice if we had a "What if" pic...you know. lol

[Bastila]

^
thats a cool idea, haven't seen anything like that yet.

[ntcrawler]

weren't there costume tests done for X1 using the original brightly colored spandex outfits?

[PowersOfMind]

Nice interview, and Jean can so kick Superman's butt, good to know Famke believes that as well.
So she might do another one cool.
Look forward to the treatment as well.

What's funny is that a friend of mine and I were discussing that very topic yesterday. I say Jean/Phoenix could rip Supes a new one, he says differently.
If she did another X-men movie that would be so cool. I love Famke.

[flavio_lebeau]

http://www.freewebs.com/jean-grey/1.jpg

Yes...so she can rage upon those who screwed her characterization in X3. Its not Ms Janssen's fault, but Fox and the writers.
the best Phoenix picture ever. I still remember it in the marvel logo in the beginning of X3.

[Pirateking]

That's the wallpaper on mine and my brothers phones.

[ThePhoenixRises]

^^^ oo yea i thought it was a different picture in the beginning with the marvel logo in x3

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

It would be nice to see her in another. I hope she gets a chance to work with Singer again. i've always thought the two worked really really closely together in the first two as to what direction Jean was heading into.

[ThePhoenixRises]

^ I hope Singer could make his own vision of x3 because apparently his ideas were soo much more better than Ratners crapppy idea.a back to back movie focusing on the dark phoenix saga would have been awesome and also the cure was a dumb idea because i see no point with that.

[triplefive]

jean-related caps i took from the DVD:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2979/25uw8.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5650/2sw8.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5501/23my4.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8077/27ho8.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9050/31zr2.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1489/32dk5.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8181/33sa0.jpg

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

mmm makes me want to do a little story...

[ntcrawler]

^^^ Let's end that picture sequence right there. Happy note, happy scene, next scene, or roll credits and end movie here. no need to show death or doom or destruction :)

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2979/25uw8.jpg

Mmmm. Lunch time.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5650/2sw8.jpg


http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5501/23my4.jpg

Jean: WTF are you doing here?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8077/27ho8.jpg


Scott: Omg...it was so horrible. and...and I saw an image of you drowning in the water...and

Jean: Scott - calm down and hold my wrists. Did you bring those handcuffs I telepathically asked you to bring?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9050/31zr2.jpg

Scott: oopsies... I forgot. I'm sorry. Can we kiss now?

Jean: uh...
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1489/32dk5.jpg

*Smooch*

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8181/33sa0.jpg

Mmm Lunch...

[ThePhoenixRises]

^ i still can't believe that Famke is wearing a wig

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Actually... for the most part its real... I think when she came back for reshoots, she wore the wig.

[ThePhoenixRises]

i really want a screencap of Jean before she kills prof. x with the camera facing her with all the glass and everything... really soo for the most part its not the wig on famke cool i never knew that...

[ntcrawler]

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2979/25uw8.jpg

Jean: I've got you now. There is no escape, muhahaha

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5501/23my4.jpg

Scott: Jean, what's wrong?

Jean: Someone fired into the lake, and...why you...

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8181/33sa0.jpg

Jean: Let's see them try to turn this into a death scene...

[Psionic Force]

Can someone take all those images, or just the really cool ones, that _BB_ posted on page 502 and make them into a 1280x1024 wallpaper? Something that kicks ass? please?

[gap5ewl]

so wait she did die her hair for x3? because i remember watching her in production interviews and she had her brown hair (with the exception of the special cure one for england where she had her red hair)

[BMM]

so wait she did die her hair for x3? because i remember watching her in production interviews and she had her brown hair (with the exception of the special cure one for england where she had her red hair)

No, I don't believe she dyed her hair. During production, her hair was a dark brown (almost black even) and about half as long as it is in the movie. I'm sure there are still paparazzi photos of Janssen floating around here somewhere during that time. It's definitely a wig.

[Mother_Askani]

In the DVD commentary, Lauren Donner mentions Famke's wig and says that the scene where she comes out of the lake was when the wig wasn't quite right and it was changed later on.

[gap5ewl]

Why did Ranter say that Famke grew her hair out for X3?

[Celestio]

Why did Ranter say that Famke grew her hair out for X3?

I think it was attempt at humour lol. All through their DVD commentary, Ratner, Penn and Kinberg make stupid remarks trying to be funny.

Shuler Donner, Winter and Arad's commentary is a lot better IMO. :)

[AznBABYBANDIT]

true, they were joking around for it

[britrogue]

^ I hope Singer could make his own vision of x3 because apparently his ideas were soo much more better than Ratners crapppy idea.a back to back movie focusing on the dark phoenix saga would have been awesome and also the cure was a dumb idea because i see no point with that.

The cure is an awesome plotline, but needed it's own film, just ike the Phoenix saga did. It also should have been used to introduce more bad guys such as Apocalypse or Sinister.

[Bastila]

Great caps Triple5!

the best Phoenix picture ever. I still remember it in the marvel logo in the beginning of X3.

Me to, I was like thats so cool to see Endsong there.

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

In the DVD commentary, Lauren Donner mentions Famke's wig and says that the scene where she comes out of the lake was when the wig wasn't quite right and it was changed later on. :csad: stupid Region 4 dvd!!! believe it or not, the Dvd here in guatemala has nothing!! just the stupid movie.. not even the comentaries. and i wanted to hear them so i can know why these morons dicide to screw the trilogy! :csad: :csad:

[flavio_lebeau]

:csad: stupid Region 4 dvd!!! believe it or not, the Dvd here in guatemala has nothing!! just the stupid movie.. not even the comentaries. and i wanted to hear them so i can know why this morons dicide to screw the trilogy! :csad: :csad:
the rental version in Brazil doesnt come with extras too, but the 2 disc will be released in November.

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

the rental version in Brazil doesnt come with extras too, but the 2 disc will be released in November. dude here in guatemala they are already selling the 2dvd version, but the thing is that i want this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/karlamreyesa/X-trilogy.jpg

so i cant buy the 2dvd version...

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

Yes...so she can rage upon those who screwed her characterization in X3. Its not Ms Janssen's fault, but Fox and the writers. dont worry no body is blaming her! she was perfecat on X3 what sucked was everything she couldnt do anything about it!

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

dont worry no body is blaming her! she was perfecat on X3 what sucked was everything she couldnt do anything about it!

Exactly... imagine X3 was directed by her. LMAO. lol. yeah... but would she have the guts to shove Fox in the corner so they don't get caught up with the creative decision makings?

[ThePhoenixRises]

now heres my question. yea i am watching the scene where jean kills prof x.
still to me the most emotional marvel scene of any marvel movie up to date....

soo anways umm how did Phoenix exactly got her clothes ^_^
seriously, did she literally dropped by Bannana Republic before she went to her house?
lol its funny to hear people's opinion....

[no1phoenixfan]

now heres my question. yea i am watching the scene where jean kills prof x.
still to me the most emotional marvel scene of any marvel movie up to date....

soo anways umm how did Phoenix exactly got her clothes ^_^
seriously, did she literally dropped by Bannana Republic before she went to her house?
lol its funny to hear people's opinion....


Maybe when Jean got home she killed her parents because where were they unless they weren't home.
Also Jean maybe took a bath or shower while she was at her parents house before Xavier got there, and put some old clothes on that her mother didn't wear anymore. I guess that's plausible.

[PowersOfMind]

now heres my question. yea i am watching the scene where jean kills prof x.
still to me the most emotional marvel scene of any marvel movie up to date....

soo anways umm how did Phoenix exactly got her clothes ^_^
seriously, did she literally dropped by Bannana Republic before she went to her house?
lol its funny to hear people's opinion....

I wondered about that too. I mean if she had had on jeans and a t-shirt then I would say she grabbed some of her mom's clothes. But the red sweater, with red tank top, with red leggings and red boots. Hmmm...looks a little suspect. But I guess it didnt really matter about her oufit since in a minute she was gonna be opening a can of whoopass on Xavier.


Maybe when Jean got home she killed her parents because where were they unless they weren't home.


Imagine their surprise when they did come home. Well what was left of their home.

[no1phoenixfan]

I wondered about that too. I mean if she had had on jeans and a t-shirt then I would say she grabbed some of her mom's clothes. But the red sweater, with red tank top, with red leggings and red boots. Hmmm...looks a little suspect. But I guess it didnt really matter about her oufit since in a minute she was gonna be opening a can of whoopass on Xavier.


Imagine their surprise when they did come home. Well what was left of their home.

Jean could of maybe moleculary changed up the clothes while she took clothes from her mother's closet. She did it in the comics. She might of done it here. She could of took red color tones and created the red out fit into what she wanted it to look like, and grabbed a pair of red boots maybe her mother had.

Exactly let's hope they had insurance for it, otherwise they would be out of a home.

[Psionic Force]

Who cares about how she got her clothes.... does it really matter?

[gap5ewl]

jean didnt moleculary get her clothes..thats ridiculous lol. She picked them up somewhere really isnt that farfetched.

[ntcrawler]

She was obsessive compulsive. I am phoenix, phoenix... phoenix is fire... fire... fire is red... red... I need red.. lots of red... red tunic, red pants, red boots...

Kinda like Selena Kyle mindlessly making her costume into a cat motiff, so would Jean mindlessly but compulsively grabbing from the closet anything that was red.

the main question I have about her outfit is... what is it? Was it meant to be a set, some kind of ensemble piece? Or semething that she assembled from bits and pieces of red things she found at home?

[SCOTT&JEAN]

Famke Janssen: Not just a pretty face

Her sexy superheroine role in the X-Men series has won Famke Janssen fans and fortune - but she's still not satisfied. She tells Elaine Lipworth why she sees herself as an arthouse actress
Published: 12 October 2006

Famke Janssen moved from Holland to New York as a model 20 years ago, gave up the catwalk to act and made her name as a Bond Girl. Her role as Xenia Onatopp in the 1995's GoldenEye was memorable chiefly because of the glee with which she played the Russian assassin, who crushed men to death between her thighs. In her other notable role, she has played the telepathic mutant Dr Jean Grey in the X-Men franchise. The three hugely successful films have led to financial security - and a fanatical following for the six-foot tall actress.

Janssen could probably continue to make a decent living playing statuesque superheroes, but the splashy blockbusters are unfulfilling. "I'm in a business where 99 per cent of casting is typecasting and people compartmentalise me into a specific area - maybe as a powerful alien, because they don't know where to put me, but it's up to me to fight against it. I don't want to be typecast, that's my big mission in life and it makes it a harder path in this business for me," she says.

At 41, she continues to be named among "the world's sexiest women", but refer to her as a sex symbol and there is a disdainful grimace. "I don't see myself that way," she says. "I don't look in the mirror and think I'm beautiful. I never have and I never will. You walk into a room and people instantly judge you on the way we look; that's human nature, unfortunately. And the way I look is definitely a double-edged sword. I've been lucky because I've never been out of work since I started acting, and I've been in some big studio films, but that's not actually enough creatively."

But it is impossible to disregard her appearance. Long-limbed and willowy, she is a striking presence, with sculpted, symmetrical features. But she looks serious and rarely smiles. "I grew up in Holland, which is very different from America because we don't pay that much attention to looks," she says. "It's never been something I've put any emphasis on."

Over the years, she has proved that her talents extend beyond villains and superheroes. She played a psychologist opposite Robert De Niro in Hide and Seek, gave a convincing performance as a journalist in the romantic comedy Love and Sex with Jon Favreau and appeared in Woody Allen's Celebrity. Yet despite her obvious talent (and intelligence) she has become identified with a specific kind of sexualised superhero. She's never deliberately fostered that image though; on the contrary, she's done her best to counter it. "I just did three independent films in a row and lost money on all of them, but I don't care," says Janssen. She plays a recently widowed woman with two adopted children in The Treatment, a drama with Ian Holm, directed by Oren Rudovsky. "It's a great Woody Allen type of movie," she says. "We shot it in New York for absolutely no money." She stars opposite Liev Schreiber and Winona Ryder in The Ten and plays a mother fighting for custody of her 10-year-old son in Turn The River. "She finds out her husband's been beating the kid and tries to get him out of the country; she's a mess. I'm attracted to inconsistency and flaws in character. We had a half a million-dollar budget and you really rough it by doing films like that, but it was fantastic."

Janssen is not one of those actresses who spout fake protestations about being more interested in the "work" than fame or success. It is patently obvious that "the work" is the only thing that interests her. While she is happy enough to discuss X-Men and Bond, she prefers talking about filmmakers: "Jane Campion [The Piano] is one of my biggest inspirations," she says, reeling off her other favourites: "Terrence Malick, Stanley Kubrick, François Truffaut, Jean-Luc Godard - I love the whole New Wave of French filmmakers. In America, I loved the film Little Miss Sunshine. It was so funny and different," she says. And there's a childlike enthusiasm about her admiration for Daniel Day Lewis: "He is my favourite actor of all time, and I love the films he's done with Jim Sheridan - The Boxer, In the Name of the Father and My Left Foot. They have so much heart and the combination of the two of them is amazing. I would absolutely love to work with them."

Janssen became a model at 18. "As a child I wanted to be a vet or a pilot. In Europe little girls don't want to be movie stars or models - they have more realistic dreams," she says. When I ask how she ended up on the Paris catwalks, a defensive frown shoots across her face. "I was discovered on the street, while I was in my first year at the University of Amsterdam studying economics. I took the guy's card and thought, 'Whatever'. I didn't think it was genuine because Dutch people are grounded and that kind of thing doesn't happen. But once I realized that economics wasn't something I had any passion for, I checked it out, found out that the modelling agency was legit and started to work. Modelling gave me a whole new freedom to travel, but I always knew it was a temporary job. I retired early, while I was still in my 20s," she says. "It just didn't make me happy." But the work (including a contract with Chanel) was lucrative, enabling her to attend Columbia University in New York, where she completed a degree in writing and literature, before taking up acting.

Her big break came with GoldenEye. "Do I have any regrets about Bond? God no," she says. "I couldn't have been in a Woody Allen movie without that film. I've never lived my life by any other standards or rules, so I used it to get what I wanted. At the time it was like: 'Am I going to do absolutely nothing and sit at home and be rejected by yet another casting director? Or am I going to do this movie?' Of course I'm going to take the movie. It's true I've done some trash, but who cares? I had to work and make a living. Julianne Moore started with a soap opera. Maybe Meryl Streep has gone through her life unscathed, but that's rare," says Janssen.

When she was offered the role of Jean Grey in the first X- Men film, the prospect of playing a mutant in a sci-fi studio blockbuster based on a comic book wasn't enticing - until she learned that Bryan Singer (The Usual Suspects) would be directing. "I wasn't at all interested in comic books," she says. "They've been around for decades and they were drawn by men, so the women were idealised. I don't know any woman that could possibly look like those cartoons - they were these perfect creatures. All the early comic book film adaptations like Batman or Catwoman subscribed to that perfect image. But Bryan wanted to make everyone human - normal people who happened to have special powers. It's like you're in any other movie, just with more special effects."

Brett Ratner directed the third, most recent instalment, The Last Stand, and it is a credit to Janssen's skills that she elevates her telekinetic character way beyond the cartoon level. In fact, her super-powerful Phoenix is far more compelling to watch than Halle Berry's weather-wielding Storm - or most of the other mutants. Having died in X 2, she comes back to life - with ultra-violent schizophrenic tendencies.

"When I return from the dead, nobody is entirely sure whether I am still Jean Grey as they knew her or Phoenix, her alter ego. It becomes an inner struggle, going back and forth between the two personalities. Jean Grey is a reasonable woman. She is smart and would never do anything out of the ordinary and the Phoenix couldn't be more different. She is all passion and rage and instinct. It was actually emotionally challenging to play - for a film like that."

"I would do studio films again," she says. "I have to pay my mortgage, I live here in New York and it's expensive, but I get to do my best work in independents or on TV, where I can play quirky, insecure characters."

One of her favourite recent roles was as a life coach on the TV series Nip/Tuck. "My character was seemingly the most together, manipulative, conniving person you could find, then you realize what a total mess she is. It goes from bad to worse - she starts sleeping with the 16-year-old son of her client, then you think she's been sleeping with her own son and then you find out she's a man. But what I loved about that character was that she was a conflicted, tortured, human being with a very vulnerable side. That's the kind of role I look for. "

Like practically every actress over 40, Janssen says it is tough getting decent parts. "I feel that I'm doing my best work now. It makes sense that at this age I'd be a better actor because I've experienced things and have more to offer than a 20-year-old. It's odd when I think about the Forties, when Katherine Hepburn and Bette Davis were the real stars, it wasn't the men; it was the women who were incredibly powerful. They were strong, smart, funny women. They called the shots and they made the movies, then all of a sudden we went downhill - what happened? Hopefully there will be a resurgence and we will get back to that time. Why would we not want to see older women on the screen?"

It all comes back to Janssen's least favourite subject: appearance. "Actresses my age and much younger are obsessed with trying to stay young. It comes from a deeply rooted insecurity. The most insecure people I have ever met are actresses and models. And I would hope that I get out of acting before I start getting involved in plastic surgery, because it seems to me it is a downward spiral. I think it doesn't make people look younger, it makes them look weirder, and I really hope I am strong enough not to do it and can age gracefully like many women before me. I don't know if I'll get the opportunity to keep acting. If not, I'll have to create work myself, or I'll retire."

She shrugs her shoulders. Janssen doesn't appear too concerned about the prospect, though there are no plans to stop working. "I suppose I am a workaholic, I love what I do and I really want to do it well. But I do have a life outside work, of course," says the actress, who is divorced from filmmaker Tod Williams. "I am with someone now. I won't say who because I don't discuss my personal life, but it's hard. It's a case of juggling everything to make sure you spend enough time with the person you love, when you're away on location. I would definitely marry again - it sounds so silly talking about your 'boyfriend' and there's a commitment you make to a person when you're with them, so why not celebrate that?"

For now, the priority is decent roles that will also pay the bills. And if Janssen doesn't get the parts she is looking for, she is also considering moving behind the camera. "I would love to direct," she says, smiling for the first time since we've met. "I have never been a normal person. I've spent my entire life in front of the camera. If I was directing, then I could wake up in the morning and roll out of bed and go to work and not have to worry about how I look and whether I have black circles under my eyes or wrinkles. I could be a normal person. That would be great."

Source: http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1844245.ece

[SCOTT&JEAN]

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[PowersOfMind]

jean didnt moleculary get her clothes..thats ridiculous lol. She picked them up somewhere really isnt that farfetched.


So what...in all her blind fury she just popped by the GAP and picked up an outfit?

[Bastila]

Is it important that we know how she got her clothes?

[britrogue]

Jean could change her clothes using her powers

[gambitfire]

So what...in all her blind fury she just popped by the GAP and picked up an outfit?

WOW! GAP must be lowering it's standards...............:o

:)

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Interesting interview...funny how last night I mentioned what if she directed X3 or whatever...and here she would like to direct something. lol.

I don't know what else to say after reading the interview... what do you guys think?

[PowersOfMind]

WOW! GAP must be lowering it's standards...............:o

:)

Hehehe:yay:.


Is it important that we know how she got her clothes?


Its not really an important issue it was just something to think about. Could they have taken it so far as to make her able to materialize clothing out of nothing. She did it in the comics... why not in the movie?

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

I've always been curious about Jean's Death and how a powerful telepath could survive after the water crushed her but at the same time, I've never seen a woman capable of such strength. I always been curious of how she could have survived but its interesting when you think about it when u hear strange reports of a glow in the lake and a woman who can walk just above the water. It intrigues me when a woman like Jean Grey, has well been one of the most complex character next to Logan but in similiarities, I'd say, she's one of the most complex character next to Anakin Skywalker. I've always asked myself what if questions and I hear Xavier's words "Sometimes the mind needs to discover things for itself..." -sighs- I've always been interested in genetics, mutations and this whole Phoenix force mythology of whom Jean becomes later, but going by the comics, yeah. I Didn't care about Jean in the comics, my eyes were focused on her Cyclops...since he was so badass and all but when I saw X-Men 2 a few months ago after so long, not just Janssen but mostly of what happened to Jean totally changed my views on her and its b/c of her Death (putting aside her other death in x3), made me feel different about her.


What I really like about Jean Grey is the way she was portrayed in X2 and Famke was brilliant and her Death really really made me feel for her more. Its not that she's hot, sexy -which isn't what drew me to her and famke herself in the first place, but how she portrayed a strong woman who risked her life to save the ones she loved. Wither it was suicide but I think it was an act of self sacrafice-but on top of that, this woman wasn't afraid of her well-being, she did something that no one else could have done, not even Charlies himself. She was afraid of the survival of her comrades and she knew all too well what she was heading into once she made her choice and the moment she left the Jet. A Choice...which I couldn't see anyone make,let alone Jean... but Jean understood and she knew what was happening around her. She felt the dam erupted and the water rushing, the X-jet was powerless cause Jean's telekinetic had something to do with it. So I can think of 3 and possibly more reasons why she had to leave the Jet.

1. She sensed the dam erupted 2. She feared for her friends and their survival. 3. She knew in some way, her own powers were effecting the X-Jet from starting. (think back to her first scene in the museum with Scott just before he asks her whats wrong and she claims its just a headache and then to the scene in X3 when her telekinetic sprials out of control causing the infirmary room to shake and things falling out of their place).


Referring to the fic, "Grail", I like how it starts with Scott mourning after the loss of Jean and how it centers around her too. I love it...it really adds depth to both in the movieverse, and I wish I could see this being played out on the big screen. It'll help make others see that mutants like the X-Men for example, aren't all what they're cracked up to be. They're humans...like us. They feel pain, they feel emotions, they make mistakes, they all have flaws and none of them are perfect. They're human beings except with super powers as Janssen has said during an interview she did along with Marsden. Both of them understood why Singer wanted X-men take place in the world we live in today so we could in a way understand who they are and that they're humans but different in a way that society won't accept cause of the fear and hate that humans have against mutants cause they feel their power is destructive and could someday eventually wipe out the rest of humanity. Why would the good mutants want to do that? No...Not even the X-Men would want that...not even Jean. This fic made me open up to my feelings regarding Jean and Scott's relationship and especially to Jean.

Here's a snippet of some parts that really got to me...and it made me feel as if it were happening to me if I was in Scott's place... I almost felt exactly same way when I lost someone and I would ask myself, why!?

I still don't understand why she kept me in the plane. Didn't she know I wasn't strong enough to live without her? I need her so badly, but she wasn't going to stay with me anyway.
I hate her. I f***ing hate her. But I don't know if I hate her more because she was going to leave me, or because she did.

It brought back memories of my own past but thats how I would have felt if I lost someone close to me...who loved me and taught me things I never thought of ...or dreamt of...someone who was always there for me when no one else could.

Here's another snippet which deals with Scott and Logan slowly getting on each other's good side.

He shuffled his feet, a soft rasp on the carpet. "Kid -- Scott -- I think maybe we need some space, you'n me." His breath gusted out. "I didn't mean to cause trouble for you and Jeannie." I tensed, not knowing how to respond to that unexpected apology. "It was just a way to yank your chain, then . . . she was . . . " He paused, finishing finally, "You ever want something so bad you could taste it? But you didn't even realize you wanted it till it was right in front of you -- so close -- but you knew you didn't deserve it, or have a prayer?"I felt gut-punched. "Yes. I have.""She made me feel like that. It's just what she was, y'know?""I know." For the first time since Logan had arrived, I felt some kind of genuine kinship with the man. "Jean was my world, Logan. Or a big part of it."

He nodded, still not looking at me. I could discern his silhouette against the light from the windows. "I didn't see what she meant to you at first, but yeah, on the plane, at the end -- " He turned while I was mute with pain, and headed for the door. Opening it, he paused. "You can tell the kids I went to Japan.""And what do I tell them when they ask if you'll be back?""Tell 'em, yeah, I'll be back. I guess I got responsibilities now, eh?" And the door clicked to behind him.Returning to the couch, I collapsed on it. Some of the knots inside me had loosened. Not all of them, but some.


thats why I feel for both Men but more for Jean its like...she opened my eyes in different directions I see things one way and another way and I understand them one way and another way.

I was Emo while reading the fic. -sighs- if only we had more scenes of Scott grieving for Jean...then it would have made their reunion in x3 more emotional than just "your back! Gimmie a hug. Oh s***, I'm owned." dead.


This fic made me feel more for what had happened prior to what was going to happen in X3 even though the events of what I thought were going to happen were different... it sucks when you assume too much but in the end, who knows. Jean could have gone to the other side of the universe as Phoenix, probably to that Galaxy far far away...heh. lol.

If I were to choose between Jean's death and Padme's death, I chose Jean's death. Her death made me so EMO...that I felt it and her death added a lot more depth to her arc and it made an emotional impact I've never felt before. What amazed me was how and why she died. She made a choice by leaving the plane, blocked Scott off from catching up to her by closing the hatch behind her, turned the jet engines back on-line, held back the rushing water, held Nightcrawler in his place, telepathically speaking through Xavier while lifting X-jet off the ground - all these things at the same time - something I've never seen before. Brilliant acting by Janssen though and especially Marsden. The moment he heard Jean that she's outside, he acted on it right away and I knew he wanted nothing more but to be with her, to stand by her side or atleast try to reach out to her and make her change her mind. I believe Jean knew what she was getting herself into especially when she cut him off. She felt he wasn't ready to face what she was about to face... she feared for him, for his survival and she needed him to survive cause she knew how much Scott meant to the X-Men. If he had died, they'd be leaderless. Regardless of what could have happened during those first few moments between the time she left the jet and just before she held back the rushing water, Jean Grey was in control. There was no going back, not when there were lives at stake especially the ones closest to Jean's heart.

She was a hero and will always be a hero to me. I still consider Scott as a hero for trying his best to stop Jean from taking the risk that no one else had dared to do, but atleast he tried because he loved her...she was everything to him and he to her and that is exactly what should been shown and expanded upon in X3.

Now I know how hard it was for Scott to open up to Jean in a way he couldn't because he had no one...but she helped him get through that phase and their bond grew stronger...until that unfateful day at Alkali Lake. I guess Scott and I are one in the same cause I can relate to him and in some ways, I can relate to Logan cause I know what its like to be alone but Jean helped/made me see things in a new light.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/xmen2_dvd_caps499.jpg

Fearless Jean, but fearful of the survival of her friends. "I have to do this...for Scott...for the X-Men. I need to focus..." and here Jean makes her 'Stand'. Thats the Jean I fell for... Strong, determined, focused, and in some ways, she out-thinked ( not sure if thats the right word for it)Xavier, in a way of what she was going to do, which no one else could have done, but she had the power, strength and the will to do what she felt needed to be done. It was a risk, yes, and she was willing to take that and deal with it on her own even though it would cost her own life, but in the end, it did.

I think nowadays, we havn't had seen any strong female heros that have been portrayed the way Jean Grey was portrayed and you gotta give Singer some of the credit too. Without his realistic direction and the way Jean's death was thought out the way it did on screen, then yeah, it wouldn't have made the impact that it did.

Your probably thinking, yeah but she's not real - she's just a fictional character made up 40 years ago, but to me, in respect, deep down, theres a little bit of Jean Grey and Dark Phoenix in us no matter what we're going through in our lives - our actions speak a thousands words than the words that come out of our mouths.

The same can apply to any Marvel character but Jean, Scott and Logan, are the ones I deeply admire for who they are and what they're willing to fight for what they believe in.

Some say I have a passion when it comes to Dr. Grey...but I guess its got to do with my understanding of who she is and what her importance is to those around her and I want to thank ms Janssen for her hard work and effort she put into the role. No one could have done it better than her and sometimes, I wish, as a fan, we could have seen more of Jean and Scott's relationship.

Who knows what Singer would have done if he did X3/X4 back to back or just X3 and then X4. The Phoenix Saga could have been done properly with Cyclops being the one to save Jean but ultimately, in the end, its Jean who chooses to kill herself cause of the powers she can't control but its her love for Scott and his love for her that makes her see what she did was wrong.

Scott would never have given up on Jean. He always believed in her and had promised he'd "never let anything happen to" her. Neither would the X-Men for that matter. X3, should have been that if it weren't it being all about Wolverine. Scott and Jean's relationship have always been the forefront when ever the Phoenix was involved in some way- big or small. In a way, I liked how each X-Man had a hand in helping Jean come back to her senses in the comics and the cartoons.

Regarding X3, after seeing X2, I've always viewed that Jean loved Logan as a friend, a team member, but not the same way she loved Scott. I was hoping in X3, it would establish that Logan stucked to his guns about "She did make a choice...it was you," and that he respects that choice. I'd like to have seen Logan as the brother, Jean never had, regardless of what he felt for her before and before the alkali lake